#1107 Madison Malloy - Stop Being Offended & Lighten The F*ck Up

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Madison Malloy is a comedian, a producer, podcast host of Next with Madison, and also the author of a brand new book called Time to Lighten the Fuck Up: Self-Help Guide with a Side of Humor. In this conversation, we talked about everything, including escaping, tunnel vision, her comedic career, and why exactly a bunch of you who are sitting at home right now, not happy with your lives, should read her book and how you can turn your life around. I really enjoyed this conversation with Madison. I hope you guys enjoy it as well. When you get done listening to it, find us on social media and let us

• 0:46Anthony Pompliano?

  know why we're dumb, why we're smart, what you liked, or what you didn't. Alright, let's get in this episode with Madison. I hope you guys enjoy this one.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

• 1:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Alright guys, bang, bang. I've got Madison here. I think one of the common themes of a ton of people I've talked to is it's people who just like bet on themselves and kind of pave their own path in the world, which I know that you've done multiple times. When you think of that specific thing, people who are watching or listening to this, it really resonates with them. They're like, "Oh, I want to be able to do that, but I'm scared." Or like, "What if it doesn't work?" Or like, "What are the 27 steps that I need to write out and make sure that like my mom, dad, brother, sister, everyone signs off on before I go do it?" It doesn't seem like you did any of that. It seems like you kind of just like jumped one day. Like, how do you think about paving your path in a different way in kind of like internet age?

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Well, the internet's been great. Obviously, there's some downfalls of the internet, but the internet's amazing because it has provided people with so much opportunity that they probably wouldn't have had. And I feel like now, if you want to be famous, or be a content creator, or be a brand ambassador, like, you can. You can pretty much do anything you want to, but you have to believe in yourself first. So obviously, it's just starting. A lot of people don't start businesses because they look at step A to Z. And they go, there's just so much to do. I'm so overwhelmed. I'm never gonna do this. How about you just do A, B, and C? And then you move on to the next ones. And so it's always like, just start. If you have a good idea, don't, sometimes you don't want to tell people about it because you just don't want the energy around it.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  But I think it's like, if you believe in it, there's nothing holding you back, except for yourself.

• 2:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. You mentioned, if you want to be famous on the internet, do you think most comedians and people who like, try to go do the intersection of content, touring, you know, audience building, like whatever this, way you want to describe it, is that the ultimate goal is like, be famous? Is it like a performance? How did you think about it when you first started? Like, what drove you to actually want to go do this?

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Well, fame and money are, are this.

• 3:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Kind of go hand in hand?

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Or at least you think they go hand in hand when you start?

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you, you want to be famous, or else you wouldn't be putting yourself out there. And you wouldn't be, like, when I started comedy, did I think that this road would be so long? And that it would take me in so many different directions? Absolutely not. I would have never started.

• 3:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Never started. If somebody told me, you're gonna start comedy, you're gonna have some, you know, little successes along the way, you're gonna meet a lot of great people, but you're not really gonna have any like, financial windfalls for over 10 years or 12 years. I would have said, I'm out.

• 3:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that a better way to do it, though? Right? Like, would you have rather, the first time you go up on stage, it's a hit, there's like, an agent in the crowd, and they're like, bam, I found the next absolute savage, they're gonna be the most famous comedian ever, here's like a hundred million dollar deal? Or would you rather like the grunt?

• 4:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Actually, I think it's called a fantasy. I don't think that's ever happened in the history of all comedians. But like, I kind of feel like when you talk to comedians, like, part of the thing that they enjoy the most, or that they respect, is that like, anybody who's reached any level of success has like, been on the grind a little bit? Is that true?

• 4:28Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. The stuff you have to do, the, the events you sacrifice, the dating, your.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Time with friends, missing weddings. There's so much you sacrifice for to get paid hardly anything to try to like become the next big thing and entertain these people. You have to love it or else you're gonna jump off a bridge. Because it is a very depressing road if you don't love it.

• 4:55Anthony Pompliano?

  So if you were starting all over from scratch today, what do you think the path to like fame and money is for a comedian? Right? The internets here, we have all these different people who have done so many different things. Like what is the path in your mind today where it's like, alright, this is the playbook?

• 5:11Speaker 02

  The first thing I think anyone needs to have is confidence. If you do not have confidence, your road is just gonna be a lot longer. Because if you don't have it, you're going to be hesitant to put out the content you need to get discovered. You're going to question everything. You're not gonna take the risk that you need to be on stage. So it's definitely like the confidence and then the confidence will equal being able to create more content because you believe in yourself.

• 5:36Anthony Pompliano?

  So you think content on the internet is really the key, even more so than touring or anything else? It's like, how do you just create content? Now, maybe touring feeds into that or whatever. But it's like, if you have confidence and you can create tons of content and you're actually, you know, funny, hilarious, whatever, then you got a shot.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:53Anthony Pompliano?

  That's it. It's just, it's just a content game.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's amazing what somebody can do with a fan base. Like I've watched comics that have, that are recently, they're kind of new. And, but they had a big following on social media and they wanted to do comedy. And they're very successful and because they have the big following, they can fill up the theaters. And you could be the best comic or the worst comic and you can still book a theater as long as you can fill the seats. The booker isn't looking, oh, are you, are you good enough for this? Do you meet our criteria? They're looking to put asses in the seats.

• 6:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  And if you can meet that with a huge following, guess what? You're gonna make a lot of money.

• 6:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Walk me through just high level economics, right? So I'm a comedian. I start out. I've got a good enough following. I'm going to a city where I've got a pretty good base in that city. Am I trying to sell 50 tickets, 500 tickets? Like early in my career, what is like the size of the audiences that people are having to sell? And then what does that actually translate in terms of maybe the ticket price? And then how much does the comic get versus the venue or whatever?

• 7:03Speaker 02

  So it kind of depends on the venue, but the experiences that I've had is when you're on the road and you're doing some of these clubs, you know, you want to sell between two to four to 500.

• 7:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Depending on what the club will kind of seat. But if you're an independent artist or an independent producer, so to say, for the show, some clubs will, they'll give you 80% at the door.

• 7:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, wow.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  So if you can sell that out and you're charging 20 or 25 bucks a ticket and you're taking home 80%, you had a pretty good weekend.

• 7:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, a couple thousand bucks right out of the gate and for, you know, a night's worth of work.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. I did a Wednesday, I remember in Denver, and I had that deal at the Denver Improv.

• 7:42Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  And I got all my friends to come out and it was amazing. We sold the thing out. There was 350 people there and I received the check that night. And the next day I was on the table getting Lasik. In cash.

• 7:56Anthony Pompliano?

  What?

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:57Anthony Pompliano?

  So wait a second, your friends paid for your Lasik surgery?

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Basically. I told some big jokes and now I've got 20/20 vision.

• 8:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, that's perfect. The, the, the part of this that, that just, I'm so fascinated by is like the internet created all of these different tools. And some people have used the tools amazingly well. Some people even use them to become President of the United States, right? Like literally, uh, anything is possible on the internet now. But the other part of it is it's not just the content creation, it's the monetization as well. Like, so you're talking about, hey, if you're able to get yourself in a position where you're kind of a producer of the event, you can get 80%. Someone somewhere along the way taught you that or told you, hey, you can do this versus the comic who just is like, oh yeah, I'll come and a couple hundred bucks or whatever and I'll just perform.

• 8:44Anthony Pompliano?

  So like, how do you think over the last decade or so, the business of this entire industry changed? Is it just that like enough comedians tried enough things to eventually put themselves in a position where they understood? Or is it no technology changed and so now people can do different things? Like, like what changed that allowed you to do stuff like that?

• 9:03Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know if it like necessarily changed. So what happens is when you start being a comic, you need to get stage time. And so a lot of your gigs are unpaid. And so a great way to build relationships and get stage time is to produce your own shows, whether it's at a bar or a smaller room in a club, as long as you can fill the seats, the clubs don't care.

• 9:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  So it's a money game. And so like you would do that and then you would learn like, okay, it's usually like a door deal.

• 9:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Which is great. I remember I did one show, one time I was doing like a temp job just to pay my bills when I was slinging as a comedian. And I invited the whole office. And the guy said, listen, the owner of the club said, I just want the drinks. If you can pack this place out, I'm gonna give you a hundred percent at the door.

• 9:49Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 9:49Speaker 02

  I got ninety people to show up from that office. I made more that night than I did like working forty hours a week for two weeks.

• 9:56Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  I mean, it was great.

• 9:57Anthony Pompliano?

  It's pretty incredible how much of life is in negotiation. Like, in other countries, you literally can go to a certain store and like you can negotiate the price. In America, maybe not as much. But like, there are many things in life where if you are entrepreneurial and you have that skill set and you enjoy negotiating, right, which some people don't, but if you do enjoy that, like, you can really put yourself in a position to be successful for simply producing if you're willing to bet on yourself.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. I mean, if you took two people and you measured their confidence level, and you took the one that was more confident, and you said, okay, you guys are given the same task, you're gonna go into the same club, and you're gonna get yourself booked, and you guys have the same amount of people that you think can come in, you can sell out the show, who's gonna get the better deal? The one with the more confidence. Because you believe in yourself.

• 10:46Anthony Pompliano?

  How did you get so much confidence?

• 10:48Speaker 02

  I didn't always have confidence.

• 10:49Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  I actually, people were shocked by that a lot because I came off very confident. But I was heavily insecure. And I think it made my path in comedy longer because I was afraid, I literally lived in fear.

• 11:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Of what?

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Confident fear. I just anxiety of like, what's gonna happen? What are they gonna think? What if I do bad? And then my friends come and they think I'm a loser? What are people gonna think of me? And finally, when I was able to kind of with that through a lot of kind of like inner work and then listening to a lot of like self-help podcasts and just kind of realized, I think it was honestly, I came across a near-death experience video and I'm fascinated by these

• 11:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Wait, what?

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Okay, like, so people, have you seen these videos?

• 11:36Anthony Pompliano?

  What is the video?

• 11:37Speaker 02

  So if you just type in near-death experience, there's gonna be tons of them. So there are people that have died.

• 11:42Anthony Pompliano?

  You realize that's a weird thing to search for on the internet?

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Well, it came across like on my feed. I feel like it was like fate, okay?

• 11:48Anthony Pompliano?

  All right.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  So now I'm like, oh, this is great. So there's all these people that have died. They cross over, they either see their relatives or they meet Jesus or God. And they come back and they're completely changed because everything is put into perspective.

• 12:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  And so I was so fascinated by this that I started watching more.

• 12:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  And then it came out that there was like a life review, right?

• 12:11Anthony Pompliano?

  And they're basically, uh, these are people talking about the experience of basically dying and coming back.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay?

• 12:17Speaker 02

  And just like how amazing it was up there and how, how we have a mission here and we have a purpose and my purpose wasn't done, so I had to come back. And what they all came back and said is that I have no more fear. I have no fear of what people think. I have no fear of dying. I have, we aren't designed to be fearful. Our society promotes fear. And obviously the media promotes fear because they need to keep you tuned in and control. So the fear. So that was a video where I thought, you know, it kind of put into perspective, wow, I could die at any moment. Any of us could be gone. Do I want my life review that some of these people talked about to be showing, oh, this is where you were too scared to do this? This is where you didn't believe in yourself to do this?

• 13:01Speaker 02

  This is what you could have been had you not been so... Fearful and lacks confidence.

• 13:08Anthony Pompliano?

  It's the Bezos regret minimization, right? Where basically when you're 80 years old and you look back on your life, how do you make decisions today so that when you do that look back, you have as few regrets as possible? And if you can do that successfully, you probably live a pretty good life.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  You live a great life because at the end of the day, like, think about it. People worry about what people think and that will keep you stuck in whatever situation that you're in. But when you, when somebody passes you on the street and they're wearing like a stupid outfit and maybe you judge them based on it for a quick second, two minutes later, you've already moved on with your day. You're not even thinking about them. So people need to realize like, people will judge you, but they're really not that concerned about you. They're concerned about themselves. So don't be fearful of what they think because it doesn't matter.

• 14:00Anthony Pompliano?

  This is like the troll problem on the internet is almost never do you see someone who's highly successful punching down, talking shit, trolling other people? It's always the people who are insecure, depressed, upset, have some issue in their life and you, you should feel bad. Like, like it is actually sad that that gives them some sort of release or enjoyment in their life. But could you imagine if Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk or whoever was on the internet all day and like talking shit to, you know, avatars, like just random people or whatever? Like you just don't see it that often, right?

• 14:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Yes, there are exceptions, but you don't see that often. And I think a huge piece of it is because those people are more focused on like what they're doing than on, you know, how do I tear down other people? Maybe, I don't know.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I think the key to happiness is to focus, focus on what you're doing. Don't worry about other people, you know? But I always say, like, somebody asked me an interesting question. Can you curse on this podcast?

• 15:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Do whatever the fuck you want.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Okay, good, okay. Just, just checking, I'm like, you did bring me on. I've got fucking my book title. Um, and then I just had a brain fart. I don't remember.

• 15:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Somebody asked you a question, a really interesting question. And then you asked me if you could curse on the podcast.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  And then the thought just totally.

• 15:25Anthony Pompliano?

  It escaped.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Escaped. It's gonna come back to me.

• 15:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Can I go back to just one thing on the near death experience? There's supposedly like some kind of a doctor or like person who helps people who've gone through this experience. Plana was recently telling me that she's like, there's this guy and that's all he does is he like talks to the people who died and then came back or whatever. And he's supposedly like laser focused on like this shit's real.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, I a hundred percent obviously believe in the afterlife.

• 15:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  And.

• 15:56Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, what's there? I didn't think we were gonna have this heavy conversation today, but like, so I'm gonna give you two data points and then you tell me what you think the afterlife's like. I saw, I'm gonna call it a meme. I don't think it was meant to be a meme. I think it was more of like a nice image that's supposed to speak very deeply to your senses. I call those memes. And it was two babies in a womb and they were like talking to each other. And they were like, oh, man, there's nothing after this. Like, you know, oh, this is like cool life right now, you know? No, don't go towards the light, you know, whatever. And then like, it's like then they're born and they get into the whole world. And so the whole idea is like, it just is the second version is like us saying that on, you know, on earth and then eventually there's some afterlife.

• 16:41Anthony Pompliano?

  But then the second thing is there's like the science community. And the science community will hit you with the like, there is no evidence. So how do you settle those two things of what I'll call belief, religion, you know, whatever versus like the science piece?

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Well, there are some scientists that have actually like, well, first of all, speaking of science, energy can't die. And we're energy. So therefore we can't die. So, and if you look at like the universe and the law of attraction, you go down that hole. We're a collective conscious, right? So your thoughts are creating your energy or creating everything. Now for me, being religious, it's like we're, we come here to have a human experience when we actually belong up there. So I think it's, it's from what I've heard from people as well, but it's just this amazing.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Life where there's no pain, no fighting, just peace.

• 17:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Just chilling.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Reconnected with your loved ones.

• 17:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Which makes it even funnier when people are like, I got to the gates and they were like, nah, go back, you're not done yet, right? Like, damn, they didn't let you in. Like, that's how I always think is like, to some degree, getting, saying I didn't fulfill my purpose yet is also a way to say like, I got rejected.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  I know, right? Well, it's like, you can't come yet. So that's.

• 18:03Anthony Pompliano?

  You may get up, you may get in later, but like, right now, you're not allowed in.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, but that should wake enough people up to where it's like, okay, so I do have a purpose. All of us are given gifts and given purposes. It's our job to then tap into those and find out what they are to be able to, when we do die, that we actually get let in.

• 18:22Anthony Pompliano?

  So there's a, a movie, Coach Carter, Samuel L. Jackson, I think is, he, he plays Coach Carter. And, and he keeps asking, uh, the players, like, what are you scared of? What are you scared of? And what he's essentially trying to get them to do is, is recite the famous poem quote, whatever. Uh, like, we basically fear ourselves, right? Like, we fear what we're actually capable of accomplishing. And I think there's a lot of people who will listen to this podcast, other podcasts, who they're like, uh, droning, right? I call it droning. They're just going through their day and they're kind of just going through the motions because that's what they think they're supposed to do. And the only time that they kind of get shaken with reality is a near death experience, is, uh, something

• 19:04Anthony Pompliano?

  catastrophic, uh, somebody gets hurt, something happens in their life that kind of shakes them and wakes them up.

• 19:11Anthony Pompliano?

  But you kind of look at this and you're like, man, there's a large portion of the population that are just droning. And so how do you think like,

• 19:18Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 19:20Anthony Pompliano?

  You can get those people out of kind of just doing what they've always done and they wake up, you know, 40 years later, like, oh shit. Where'd my life go?

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I'll share a quick story about, I didn't realize, I was, I droned for a long time.

• 19:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, you're a droner?

• 19:34Speaker 02

  I used to, not anymore, but I used to. And I remember I would wake up and I would be like, you know, kind of tired. I didn't have the energy, I wasn't motivated. And I just felt like, oh, another day. And I would just go through the motions. And, you know, it was like, oh, another day till closer to death, another day closer to death.

• 19:53Anthony Pompliano?

  You were saying that to yourself?

• 19:54Speaker 02

  What the heck, right? And it was a wake up call going, what am I do? Like, this is insane. Like, if this is life, this, something has to change. And then I'd go away for weekends and then I'd get super sad when I'd have to come back on Sunday. And it was a wake up call.

• 20:09Anthony Pompliano?

  Sunday scaries.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Something had to change in my life.

• 20:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Why, why were you sad on Sundays when you came back?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Because I didn't like the life I was living.

• 20:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Ah, so it was like escapism?

• 20:18Speaker 02

  I hated everything about it, yeah.

• 20:19Anthony Pompliano?

  The weekends were an escape and then you had to come back to reality?

• 20:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like I was living for the, for the future. I wasn't enjoying my life. I wasn't enjoying the days. I was waiting until I, somebody discovered me. I was waiting until I got rich. I was waiting for all these things instead of actually enjoying the moment, which is the present. And once I, I finally said, okay, this isn't going to work. I need to enjoy my life. I have so much to be grateful for. I'm getting rid of the fear. I'm going to work on my confidence. And that is where the magic started to happen. And now I'm excited. I love Sundays. I get football during the fall and then I get to wake up and I'm like, you know what? I like the weekdays better because I get closer to all my goals.

• 21:00Anthony Pompliano?

  So, one of my favorite questions to ask, uh, people is if I gave you a hundred million dollars, what would you do in the weeks afterwards? Right? Like, like basically money is no longer a problem.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:13Anthony Pompliano?

  What, what would you do? What would you do with your life? And, uh, there's two answers that I find, uh, uh, both equally fascinating. One, the people who are honest are like, I tried to get to 200 million.

• 21:26Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? They're like, like they, they understand human psychology of like, no matter how much you have, you always want something more. So like, I appreciate the self-awareness and, and just the brutal honesty. But what most people say is I would do X. And X is like a dream, uh, uh, something that they, they don't think is possible, whatever. And I always ask them like, why don't you go do that today?

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Or, or start doing that now?

• 21:52Anthony Pompliano?

  And it's fascinating how many people are like, I never thought of that. You're just like,

• 21:59Speaker 02

  I know.

• 22:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Again, I don't have any answers. Like I'm not by no means any different than anybody else. I'm a human. I do dumb shit all the time. I drone. I do all this stuff. Not really drone, but like, you know, I'm, I'm a, a human like everyone else. But to not like, just sit down and be like, what do I want to do? Seems like we are almost as a society selling ourselves short because there's no intentionality about our actions. We kind of are just droning along.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Well, no, and it's true, but I think also what happens with the droning is that people are so afraid and worried about what other people will think that they don't take the risk. And they stay in that drone because when they're droning and just going to their job, coming home, doing their errands, doing what they're supposed to be doing. Nobody's really judging them or worrying about them. So I think it kind of comes down to that, too.

• 22:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Isn't cubicle life more of a risk than doing something else? Like my greatest fear, my greatest fear in life is to have been, you know, 25, 30 years old. Go to work every day. Maybe now in most of the big corporations, you don't have to wear the tie, but you got to have, you know, kind of dressed up with button down on everything.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:10Anthony Pompliano?

  And then just like, go to sleep one night, wake up, you're 55, you got three kids and you're like, yo, where'd it go? What happened? I don't remember.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  And then you get laid off.

• 23:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, just even like, that's even taking it to the extreme. Like if you just literally worked the same job for 30 years. And then you wake up one day and you're like, holy shit. I just spent 30 years doing this and like, what happened? And that, that to me, again, people have all these, you know, weird risks or scared of or fears, whatever.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:47Anthony Pompliano?

  That's mine. I would go fucking insane and then probably do crazy shit to like make up for it and like, end up dying somehow. Right? Like, but, but it just feels like that is actually the normal path that a lot of people take.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  It's safety for them. It's an illusion, though. It's their illusion of safety. But I think it's also because people are afraid to put themselves out there.

• 24:11Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, so-

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Or they want a simple, simple life.

• 24:13Anthony Pompliano?

  You wrote this book, Time to Lighten the Fuck Up, A Self-Health Guide with a Side of Humor. If you didn't write this book, I wouldn't ever read it because it's a self-help guide and I'd be like, this is bullshit. But it's actually funny, right? And you talk about things that I think are the taboo topics. Like, it's like a blunt truth. And one of them is this idea of tunnel vision. Which, if I say focus, people are like, oh, that's a good thing. The way you describe tunnel vision is not necessarily a good thing. So talk a little bit about this idea of like tunnel vision and like why so many people get kind of the blinders and maybe it actually ends up hurting them more than it helps in their life.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Well, because, so they get fixated on one thing, right? Maybe they went to college for finance and then they get a job on Wall Street and they're working and they're going down the path and then 10, 12, 15 years later, they're miserable, but they're like, this is all I can do. This is the goal. The goal was Wall Street. This is it. So they're stuck in that tunnel, right? So any other opportunities that will come their way, they're not going to see them because they've got the blinders on because they're stuck in this like tunnel. But then you have other people too who said, I'm going to follow my dream. And they pick that dream, whether it's a stand-up comedian or an actress. And they say, I'm never giving up on my dreams. I'm going to follow this dream. And chances are, you might not ever make it because it's a very difficult path to go down.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  So they're just struggling financially their whole life, hoping to make it. Some get really lucky and make it, some don't, but they're stuck in this tunnel. I have to do this. This is my end goal. Or they start a company that's not working out and they stay in it longer because they're stuck in that tunnel. Tunnel vision is not good. Okay, I think it's always important to have a dream. Whether it's finance, whether it's entrepreneurship, whatever it is. But always be aware of the other opportunities that can come out of having that goal. My goal when I started was to be a comedian and then to be an actress so I could help fill the seats of my show.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Now, had I had tunnel vision, I might still be struggling and unhappy. But I decided to kind of look at the business, say, you know what? I love entertaining, I love writing, I love inspiring people. There's so much more I can do. So when I stepped out of the tunnel, I fell into producing. And I was really good at creating concepts and bringing teams together to do it. And all of a sudden, I would, you know, I was struggling getting auditions. Now I was sitting in front of some of the biggest CEOs in Hollywood, talking about what I had created and that they were actually excited about it. Because also, I was a finance major. I came to them with ideas, not, this is my passion and I love this.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  They don't give a shit. I came at it where this is where we can make money and this is why I think it's going to be profitable. But I was able to open that tunnel. And I'm still in entertainment, I still consider myself an entertainer, but I'm not stuck waiting for somebody to validate me. Now I've got a book, I've created television shows, I run side business. I do whatever I can to make money because financial freedom will set you free in anything you do.

• 27:33Anthony Pompliano?

  So, I don't think I've ever talked about this publicly, but I have a theory on what is happening in the internet age. And almost everybody I see publicly commenting on it seems to misunderstand what you're saying.

• 27:49Anthony Pompliano?

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• 29:18Anthony Pompliano?

  There's a term creator. Everyone's like, oh, creator, creator, creator. And I get what they're trying to articulate in that. But to me, there is a rise of winners or a rise of just entrepreneurs. Yeah. It's not a rise of creators. These people are not creators. They are the equivalent of the mainstream or the main street small business 20, 30 years ago. So people would go to high school, they'd get out, maybe they went to college, maybe they didn't. And then if they wanted to create economic independence or economic, uh, kind of, uh, kind of bet on themselves and get that economic stability, what they would do is they would look around like, How do I create a business? And it was all in the analog world.

• 30:02Anthony Pompliano?

  So they would literally go and open up a storefront. They would sell something. They would create a service. They would come to your house, whatever they would do. But it was like a main street, small or medium sized business. The really successful ones could go from a town to a city, maybe to a region. And if you were really, really successful, you could scale it nationally.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:20Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Now what we're seeing is people were like, why would I ever have an asset heavy business where I need a store? Instead, I can set up a Shopify page or I can create content on the internet. Or I can do all these different things in the digital age. But they're not creators. They are absolutely just entrepreneurs. And I use the term winner because you just said it. No matter what I set out to do, I'm going to find a way to be successful at doing this. I can create money so I can be free.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Well, exactly. And there's so many like Amazon, you mentioned Shopify. There's Amazon stores you can do very little risk. And you can see how it goes and then you can kind of scale the risk. Right? So you're not, you don't have to, you know, take a year long lease. And then if it doesn't work out, you're stuck with this lease. You can actually set up a store where you're not paying a lease and then just buy the product. So there's so many like easier ways to do things. I mean, it's crazy. I, I'm not going to mention the name, but like, I just heard that there was a comic who has an OnlyFans page.

• 31:20Anthony Pompliano?

  You have to say the name. Who is it?

• 31:22Speaker 02

  Upwards. Well, I heard it on the, but when I was doing the Bennington show, I think her name's Carrie Feehan, Feehan? Great comic.

• 31:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  She's got an OnlyFans page and she's making upwards of 40 grand a month, just on the OnlyFans page.

• 31:34Anthony Pompliano?

  And that is like,

• 31:36Speaker 02

  And I'm going,

• 31:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Is she uploading?

• 31:37Speaker 02

  Am I the stupid one here? Cause I don't have an OnlyFans page.

• 31:40Anthony Pompliano?

  But is she uploading comedy content? Is she uploading like nude photos? Like what?

• 31:45Speaker 02

  She's got, she's got a great, great body.

• 31:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. So, uh, she is selling access or views, I guess is, uh, I never really thought of the OnlyFans, uh, from the.

• 31:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Individual uploading the photos, depending on what you're uploading, like, there's a lot of skewed risk reward. Right? It almost feels like, like, if somebody said to me, hey, Pom, if you upload pictures of your knees every day and you'll make a bunch of money doing it, I'm like, eh, let me, let me think about this for a second. Right? But now if they were like, hey, Pom, you gotta upload a bunch of naked photos of yourself. I'm like, I'm out. Like, I just, not my thing.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're out. Right.

• 32:25Anthony Pompliano?

  And so it does feel like when people hear OnlyFans, in some way, this idea of a paywall is the same thing. Like, we're seeing paywalled newsletters. We're seeing paywalled podcasts. We're seeing paywalled, what's essentially just Instagram, right? Like, photos, videos, whatever. Then we have the paywalls of the mainstream media. Like, like, it does feel like people are realizing, if you put up a paywall and put value behind it that people want, somebody, somewhere is gonna pay for value.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:56Anthony Pompliano?

  And then you just gotta decide what is the value you wanna provide behind that paywall.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Well, exactly. Like, I never did OnlyFans. I thought about it. My dad actually had a client who did very well. Obviously, he can't share that information. But I said, why are you telling me this? He goes, hey, we don't judge. I said, are you trying to tell me to start an OnlyFans page? She goes, this girl might have made more than my doctor clients. I was like, what? Yeah. It was insane. So, but here's the thing. There, there's a friend of mine who runs like a very raunchy podcast and I go on Once in a Blue Moon and she has these porn stars and they are pulling up to the studio in like huge Range Rovers

• 33:40Speaker 02

  and they've got nice Chanel bags and all this. I mean, they could be broke because they're spending it all on liabilities. But they are selling pictures of their feet. They've got OnlyFans pages.

• 33:51Anthony Pompliano?

  The feet shape cracks me up. I'm sorry.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  I know they're crushing and I'm sitting here going, uh, buy my book. And I'm like, geez, I could just upload a picture of my snatch and buy a house.

• 34:01Anthony Pompliano?

  How much do they charge for the OnlyFans? Do you know? Like the people uploading their feet?

• 34:04Speaker 02

  I don't know, but everyone's like, why don't you do a faceless one?

• 34:07Anthony Pompliano?

  I think that they should, uh, have a, a reality TV show where they go around and they find the OnlyFans subscribers and basically like interview them and just be like, yo dude, you're paying $200 a month to look at pictures of feet?

• 34:22Speaker 02

  I know.

• 34:23Anthony Pompliano?

  We gotta find out the rest of your life. Like this would be an interesting ass episode to understand who you are.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  I know.

• 34:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Everyone's fascinated with the person uploading the photos, but like, I bet you there's some crazy stories in the people who are paying to see feet pics on OnlyFans.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't realize that feet, a feet, a foot fetish was such a big thing.

• 34:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that real?

• 34:45Speaker 02

  It is real. I had, there was a guy who worked as a chef in one of the comedy clubs. And I don't know which one it was, but he apparently was public about his foot fetish. And I don't have like, I don't have ugly feet. I don't have bunions or anything like that. But apparently I remember in my acting days, there was a job where I could go and model shoes. And it was like $400 for the day. It was on a Saturday. It was like at a convention center. It was like a shoe show. And so she goes, send me a pic, picture of your foot because you're the ideal size. And then she comes back and she goes, unfortunately you don't qualify because your, your feet don't meet the criteria.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  She basically told me I have ugly feet because apparently my second toe is longer than my first, which my mom always told me it's because you're a leader, but I think it's just I have fucked up feet.

• 35:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that not what everyone's toes are?

• 35:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 35:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Apparently to have beautiful feet, you're, everything has to be like sloped down.

• 35:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Somebody could tell me I was ugly. Somebody could tell me that they didn't like me, whatever, but they started talking shit about my feet. Hey, hey, hey, hold on a second. What did feet do to you?

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Well, I responded to the woman. I said, oh, I didn't know, I didn't know that was a thing. I never saw that my feet were an issue, right? But, and I just wrote her back. I said, well, I got beautiful fake tits. If you need a bra model, so call me back.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  She's like, good to know.

• 36:08Anthony Pompliano?

  I also feel like, uh, I'm surprised it hasn't been more trolling of this whole life thing. So, you know. I'm shocked that there hasn't been a male YouTuber who's like, I'm gonna start a feet pic only, OnlyFans and like, let's see how much money we can make. Because I actually think that we live in this like meme culture where a bunch of people would subscribe because they think it's hilarious and then it would end up becoming a thing. And then next thing you know, everybody who's rational and like rooted in reality would be like, what is happening? How's this person making, you know, 50 grand a month as a joke doing feet pics on OnlyFans?

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Well, I agree. Who are the people? I'll do it. I'll volunteer my feet right now. Let's see how much we can make in a month. I'm in.

• 36:58Anthony Pompliano?

  But it also is the experimentation. I do think kind of coming back to this idea of people who bet on themselves and kind of paved their own path on the internet. The experimentation is really important, right? And we were talking earlier, Andrew Schultz, being able to record a special, sell it, go direct to the people, which like, there'd been some other comedians who had done it, but I think there's this like breaching of, yo, how real is my audience? How much do they kind of fuck with me, right? Versus they come to the shows, okay, they come out, whatever. Are they gonna buy a special direct where their expectations don't want to be on a streaming platform?

• 37:39Anthony Pompliano?

  And then, yo, if I release it publicly for free afterwards, am I going to offend the people who paid for it? Or am I going to offend the people who didn't pay for it? Like, like, it seems to have gone pretty smooth.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:54Anthony Pompliano?

  But that's a pretty big experiment to run with what is a major milestone in your career of getting a comedy special created. And so like, it feels like the people who end up being the most successful are actually the people willing to do the experiments in order to figure out what works.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Well, the first thing I'll say about Andrew Schultz.

• 38:10Anthony Pompliano?

  He's not funny at all. We're not allowed to say that he's funny at all on the podcast.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Oh, I think he's great. But the one thing that this guy really, really, really has, I mean, he's got so many things. I'm such, I'm a fan. He's confident. His confidence level's off the charts. So he's got that. So he is willing to take a risk.

• 38:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Damn it, don't say nice things about him.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  He's got, because I had crossed paths with him, you know, in New York when we were starting. He was always such a nice person. I haven't seen him for years, but very just nice person. But he's got the confidence, so he's willing, he's, he's able to bet on himself because he believes in himself. And I also heard when he, you know, because I follow him, when he was doing that special, originally, they wanted, wasn't it going to go to a streaming platform?

• 38:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, yeah, he signed a deal.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  But then he pulled it because they wanted to censor him.

• 38:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  And he goes, no, these jokes are authentic. This is me. I'm not censoring this. This is what my audience wants. And then that's when he pulled it. I thought that was great. That is somebody who believes in themselves. And he's a great story of how believing in yourself will pay off bigger than just getting a suit to believe in you. Suit, meaning the head of a streamer.

• 39:18Anthony Pompliano?

  The, um, uh, there's a book, it was a crazy book. Uh, Robert Greene, who wrote Forty Eight Laws of Power, uh, you know, a, a, a number of great, uh, books, and Fifty Cent wrote a book together.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 39:30Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't know how much Fifty contributed to the writing, but definitely the ideas are there.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh, Robert probably did a little bit more of the writing.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:37Anthony Pompliano?

  But this book is actually, uh, fantastic. I've recommended it to a lot of people and they're like, what do you mean? I'm not going to read a book about Robert Greene and Fifty Cent. But what it does is it takes a lot of the concepts that Robert's talked about, uh, in many of his books, and it takes Fifty Cent's life and it basically overlays them on each other. And it's like, man, these concepts are really, really well understood by people in hip hop or people on the street or whatever. They just don't talk about them using the same, uh, language that Robert uses. So they, they, they learn the ideas. They, they pick them up. Somebody teaches them it or it's intuitive or whatever. And one of the ideas they spent a lot of time on is Fifty Cent's mixtape

• 40:18Anthony Pompliano?

  strategy. And the mixtape strategy is basically, uh, he actually had a deal, I think it was with Columbia Records, if I remember correctly. And on the night before the first major album gets released, he gets shot, gets dropped immediately from the record label. They're like, there's too much violence. We can't be associated with this stuff. Like, like basically kick him to the, uh, to the curb.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 40:39Anthony Pompliano?

  And they're like, we're done. Okay, you just got shot nine times. Your mouth is wired shut. You lost your record deal. Like you just went from the night before the height of your career up until that point to like the bottom of your career essentially.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:55Anthony Pompliano?

  And so what he decided to do was he basically just flooded the streets of New York with mixtapes and including would just hand them out, would do whatever it could to basically make people be like, yo, who is this guy?

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:07Anthony Pompliano?

  And he essentially brute forced the momentum to build an audience. Why it's fascinating is because you just have to do that with a CD on the streets. Now it's like easy. Now you can just go put music out on the internet, go put on social media, whatever. And if it's good, it takes off. But this concept of like, he was willing to bet on himself even after he had reached some, you know, level of success. Now, he wasn't a mega star on a global basis or whatever, but he was forced to go back to square ones, forced to go back to the starting point. And he still ended up being successful. And I think that that's like a common theme in a lot of these people is like, okay, one road doesn't look so great, or there's a door that gets closed or whatever. What's the next thing?

• 41:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Just keep moving forward and that, and they end up being successful because they're willing to bet on themselves.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. And also if you carry that mindset, like rejection is a good thing because I feel like we're given a certain amount of doors until we reach our, what we consider success. So every person that says no, or an opportunity that doesn't work, gets you closer to that goal. I live my life that way and I love it because that way, when things don't work out, I'm like, life's happening for me. I'm now that much closer to the door that's actually going to happen. So it's that mindset, but he had the same thing. He was like, okay, well, it's gonna work. So I just gotta figure out a different way to do it. But 50 Cent obviously has extreme confidence.

• 42:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, he's, he is such a better-

• 42:37Speaker 02

  It took me a long time to get there, but now that I do, I feel, I feel unstoppable in my own way, but I also feel that my driving force behind everything I do is to help and inspire people.

• 42:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay, explain that more.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  So I have, so I feel like I have karma on my side. And I don't do it to have karma.

• 42:53Anthony Pompliano?

  You believe in karma? You think it's real?

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Absolutely, a hundred percent.

• 42:56Anthony Pompliano?

  Why?

• 42:57Speaker 02

  I just because, I mean, on it, it's, well, I want to say it's just because it's what I believe, but I feel like.

• 43:03Anthony Pompliano?

  But how did you build it? Like, when you were a kid, did you always believe in karma? Or at some point, did you like?

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Well, it's like you do.

• 43:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Through an experience or what?

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do unto others as you want done to yourself. So if you're a piece of shit, people are going to be a piece of shit to you. I think it's just the energy that kind of comes back to you. I don't, I feel like we can't get away with, with that much. And if it doesn't get you in this life, maybe it'll get you in the next, if, if we reincarnate, I don't know. But I do believe in karma, which I think is a good thing, because obviously it prevents you from being a piece of shit. I'm not a piece of shit at all. I, I'm not mean. I like people. I want to help people. That's my thing. But there's a lot of like, obviously, you know, corruption, because people want to just make the money. Oh, I, oh, this is what I remembered when I said, can I?

• 43:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, no.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Gus on this podcast?

• 43:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Alright.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Somebody said to me, I was actually on a, it was weird. I was on a date, like a first date. We were leaving, we were at the Four Seasons.

• 43:53Anthony Pompliano?

  Man, I haven't been on a first date in a long time. Those were weird as shit.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  And so, we're leaving, we're leaving this, this place and somebody says, and he says, um, would you ever fuck for an opportunity?

• 44:05Anthony Pompliano?

  He asked you that on the first date? I don't know to respect that question or be like, you are a fucking asshole. What was your response?

• 44:14Speaker 02

  I laughed because I'm like, that's hilarious. Cause I, I find everything funny.

• 44:18Anthony Pompliano?

  He wasn't being disrespectful?

• 44:19Speaker 02

  I'm not somebody that gets offended. I hate the, like, offended culture.

• 44:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Fuck that noise.

• 44:23Anthony Pompliano?

  I, you offended him by saying that?

• 44:25Speaker 02

  So I turned around and I gave, I gave him an answer and I said, the only opportunity I'm fucking for is a chance to walk down the aisle with a wedding ring, okay? So if that's the opportunity you're talking about, then yes, I fuck for opportunity. You know what I mean? Like?

• 44:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Now.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  And he started laughing. He goes, that's a great answer.

• 44:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Alright, I was gonna say, somebody who asks that question's got one or two reactions. They get super offended or they think everything is hilarious back. So he thought it was funny.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  Oh, it's, yeah, absolutely. So he goes, oh, so you would.

• 44:50Anthony Pompliano?

  You just saved that guy's career, by the way, because the internet sleuth would have figured out who it was and tried to cancel him if, if he was being an asshole.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Oh, exactly.

• 44:57Anthony Pompliano?

  That's how the world works now.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:59Anthony Pompliano?

  It's like you said something and then they go and they figure it out and they just like, pick a random person. They're like, this person.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. It's so, it's so awful. But I have a whole chapter in here about like, being like offended. Like, it's time to stop being so offended.

• 45:12Anthony Pompliano?

  I think that, uh, we should actually bring back the right for people to offend others. Now, not because you should go through your life trying to offend everybody.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Right. You don't want to be mean. It just happens.

• 45:25Anthony Pompliano?

  The idea of offending someone usually falls into one of two buckets. Not every time, but usually falls into one of two buckets. Either you are saying something that is true that they don't want to hear because they don't want to admit it to themselves or whatever. And usually, again, not always, but usually in those scenarios, you're actually helping them in some way. Whether they realize it today or not, whatever.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 45:52Anthony Pompliano?

  There's a situation recently, uh, a company I'm invested in, the founder went and met with a bunch of investors. They gave him some pretty honest feedback. He was very, very offended at the beginning.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 46:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Fast forward about two months or so, he calls me up one day and he says, uh, they were right. And to his credit, he went and he sent them a message and said, hey, I know that when you were saying that, like, it was kind of tough, like, but thank you. Like, you, you didn't have to tell me the truth. You didn't have to, like, you could have just, hey, we're not interested, whatever, right? Thank you. You were right. Here's what I'm doing about it. And I thought it was like so mature and just so amazing to see somebody who did that. Now, the other side of the offending is like people are just assholes, right? And you're like, literally, you're just being an asshole and you should stop doing that.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:42Anthony Pompliano?

  But this idea of like bringing back offending people is, we live in a culture where now people don't tell each other the truth.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Oh, because they're terrified.

• 46:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Because literally if you walk outside and you're like, the sky's red and everyone's like, yeah, then you're like, okay, I made it through today. No one tried to cancel me.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  Well, I know. Do you realize that I actually said a prayer last night before I went to bed?

• 47:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  And this is what I prayed. I said, I'm so grateful that I get a go on Pomp Show. I'm very grateful to you for having me on. So, thank you. But I said, please don't let me say anything that's gonna get me canceled.

• 47:19Anthony Pompliano?

  There's a, there's a second piece to the cancellation story that I have realized recently. And maybe implicitly, we all kind of sort of knew this, but now we got hard examples of it. Did you see this guy, Matt Walsh?

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Just recently.

• 47:36Anthony Pompliano?

  So Matt Walsh.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  He had a great video. Yeah, you tell it. Great.

• 47:40Anthony Pompliano?

  He just, he said a bunch of things that I think there's a lot of people around the country were like, that makes sense. When that happens in today's society, there's also a lot of people who say asshole, cancel.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:53Anthony Pompliano?

  Whatever. So it was controversial and there was a react, strong reaction in support and a strong reaction to come after him. And he made a video and when I saw the video, first thing was, damn, they got him.

• 48:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Matt Walsh is gonna, he's gonna take the, uh, kind of the bow. He's gonna say, I'm sorry. You know, I shouldn't have said this, whatever. They got him. And I was watching the video and there was no subtitles. So I click open, you know, I hit the volume on Twitter. And he's got this look. He's staring dead square in the camera and he's, I will not apologize.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:29Anthony Pompliano?

  And he just took a stand and he was like, I'm not apologizing. I'm not giving one fucking inch to the mob.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 48:35Anthony Pompliano?

  And I was like, holy shit. That guy just became uncancellable.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  Well, and he said.

• 48:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Because he said, I'm not apologizing. I believe what I believe and I still think you guys are wrong.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Well, and it's brilliant because he stands firm in his beliefs, but he also said, they can't cancel you. If you don't agree to be, you have to agree to it.

• 48:56Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. If you're not complicit in the cancel, cancelization, they can't cancel you. And what I think, again, opinion, what I think is occurring here is that the pendulum swung so far. Cancellations, woke culture, all this stuff. Now it's swinging back. The risk is it swings so far back that we go to the other end of the extreme. I don't think extremes on either end are good, right? I actually think the, the kind of, uh, rational view of the world of just like, hey, everyone chill the fuck out and like, just go try to do things that make you happy. And as long as you're not hurting other people, like you're good, right?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 49:33Anthony Pompliano?

  But the pendulum is swinging back and I think what it does is actually a confidence game because uh speaking of Schultz, when they came for Joe Rogan, Andrew Schultz, I think was one of the first, if not the first person to be like, yo, all you people who are being quiet right now, like Joe Rogan's helped me in my career, Joe Rogan, whatever, he's like, he is not a racist.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Which like was blasphemous to the people coming after Joe Rogan because they were like, obviously he is, duh, didn't you see the video that they cut out of thousands of interviews?

• 50:06Anthony Pompliano?

  And again, whether you agree or not, it was like, if you objectively look at that situation, one person stood up and was like, no. And as you know, another person was like, no, no, no, no. And then it was like, oh wait, it's mob versus mob.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:21Anthony Pompliano?

  And so I think that that is like a, maybe it's not a learned behavior as much as it's like people now have a playbook, they see on both sides, the people attacking, they have a playbook, it's very well understood now, like pretty much if you tell me a situation and you're like, they're going to go after this person, I can tell you exactly how they're going to do it.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:37Anthony Pompliano?

  And the response seems to be getting a playbook. And so it's kind of like, now we have competing forces on the internet.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Which is kind of cool.

• 50:45Anthony Pompliano?

  It's entertaining for sure.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  We're definitely like leveling the playing field because I think people just lived in constant fear of like, oh God, what if I, what if I'm, so nobody's speaking their authentic truth anymore.

• 50:56Anthony Pompliano?

  Yes.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  Because they're scared to get canceled.

• 50:58Anthony Pompliano?

  And the people who do just say what they believe, even if they're wrong or right, they obviously get a following because people are like, oh, that person isn't scared. And so people are like, oh, I should listen to what they have to say.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:13Anthony Pompliano?

  And so in some way, uh, I think the other uh, end of the extreme, the people who were um, doing a lot of the canceling, I've noticed that they seem a little de-teethed now because there's been uh, some punches back. It used to be just, there was one-way punches.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:31Anthony Pompliano?

  And society was like, very much, the pendulum had swung that way.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 51:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Now, there's still some people who like, they love the fight, right? And like, they'll go on either side.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like.

• 51:41Anthony Pompliano?

  But there's a lot of people who are like, man, this was a lot more. Fun when we were doing the punching and there was no one punching back. And so like, uh, it's fascinating to watch this because it ends up being labeled, I think, kind of culture wars or whatever. And like, at the end of the day, a lot of the shit doesn't actually matter, right? Like it doesn't impact everyday people's lives. And if, uh, if you're deep down that rabbit hole of watching a lot of this stuff, like, damn, do you got an easy ass life?

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:09Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? Like, but on the other hand, culture is what makes society. And so there's always been culture wars, but it's not been done on the internet, you know, behind a keyboard in this weird fucking like cancellation way.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Platform. Yeah. But I think it's like, you know, you said, if we, if we swing too far the other way, we're gonna go way back in kind of time. But those times are pretty good, too.

• 52:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you think it would be good to swing all the way back?

• 52:37Speaker 02

  No, I don't think it'd be extreme. I think it, certain situations would be more fun. I think that it would be more, it would be more fun to work on Wall Street in like the nineties than today. I feel like today, like who the heck wants to work there?

• 52:53Anthony Pompliano?

  I think that that is objectively true.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, like I want hookers and cocaine. If I'm working on Wall Street, I want hookers and cocaine. If I can't get hookers and cocaine, then I don't, why do I need to be there?

• 53:04Anthony Pompliano?

  So let's take that and kind of apply to a couple of different areas that immediately jumped to mind. First, we live in a society that the war on drugs, right? War on drugs. Uh, that appears-

• 53:14Speaker 02

  I don't do cocaine. I want to make sure people know that.

• 53:18Anthony Pompliano?

  We're gonna cut that part out and no one's gonna know. Uh, it appears that we are swinging back. Biden has this federal kind of mandate where he's at least saying, hey, let's look at this. Maybe we need to reclassify, uh, the schedule of drug, like all the stuff. Let's pardon people who already went for simple possession.

• 53:39Anthony Pompliano?

  We're kind of returning pre-war on drugs. Maybe not with the hard stuff, but like marijuana, okay. Then I do think that there's a lot of people who, whether it's through nostalgia or science, data, or just frankly, they're fed up with the current bullshit, are like, man, the way the world was before all this processed food, that seems pretty good.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  A hundred percent, yeah.

• 54:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Then I've seen like the memes go around on the internet of like, look what they took from us on the airplane, right? Where it's like the two or three people, they're sitting there, they're getting like carved ham, right? There's like, not that many seats, you're not packed in, like, oh shit, right?

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:25Anthony Pompliano?

  And they're like, they took this from us. And so like, there's always going to be people who look back to the past and they say to themselves like, the better times are behind us. But we do can objectively look and like, we live in the safest, most prosperous time in human history today.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh, do you believe the future is going to be better? Or do you think that actually there are things from the past that we have to like recreate again today in order to continue to see progress?

• 54:51Speaker 02

  I mean, I think the future's going to be better because we're going to have advancements in medications and, you know, cures for different things and, but it's not going to be better if we don't get our shit together as humanity.

• 55:04Anthony Pompliano?

  What do we have wrong?

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Well, everybody's fighting, they're not looking out for each other. They're sitting here saying, well, the news tells me to hate you, so I'm going to hate you. This is what people truly believe. And so all of a sudden, you disagree with what they say and, and they're ignited with this hatred towards you and then they want to cancel you, so to say, right? People need to realize that like us together, like humanity needs to band together and like not let the government or the media dictate who they can like and who they cannot like. If we don't fix that, we're in trouble. But if we can fix that and enough people say, you know what, Barbara likes blue, Becky likes pink, who gives a shit? They're both great people, they're children of God.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Move on. Then the future is going to be much better.

• 55:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there somebody in society that you point to and you're like, that person, the way that they are executing their strategy is like, super interesting? I have one person in mind, but I want to hear who you would say first.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  I'm trying to think of.

• 56:07Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, just somebody.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  I mean, I have a lot of people that.

• 56:08Anthony Pompliano?

  You're like, that's like an independent thinker. That's somebody who kind of walks to their own, to the beat of their own drum, I think is a fucking saying.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Elon Musk would come to mind.

• 56:17Anthony Pompliano?

  So Elon is definitely one.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there anybody else?

• 56:24Speaker 02

  I mean, Rogan.

• 56:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Rogan's another one, yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:26Anthony Pompliano?

  I was thinking Kanye West.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:30Anthony Pompliano?

  I feel, I feel like he.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  He's gotten a little extreme lately, but yeah.

• 56:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Without a doubt.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  He is a human, he still has a, you know.

• 56:39Anthony Pompliano?

  But I think that that's part of what scares the shit out of society. Right? Is like, oh, that guy actually, you can't put him in a box. He's not left or right, he's not, you know, this or that. Like, you don't know what he's gonna think. And he has a platform. And so it's like, in some way, he's one of the purest independent thinkers. And again, that doesn't mean I agree with him on everything. It just means that like, if you can look at someone and say, there's a topic, I know what you think.

• 57:16Anthony Pompliano?

  There's something that isn't independent about the thought process.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, it's like they're controlled.

• 57:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's controlled, but it's also just like, like the identity thing.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  But it's a lot easier to be truly, truly authentic and say what you want and not be in a box whatsoever when you have enough money to survive forever.

• 57:32Anthony Pompliano?

  1,000%, right? He put himself in a position to be able to do what he's doing.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:39Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, if you went down, I don't know, like, all the topics that get discussed in politics, and you went down, I don't think most people could guess with a high degree of accuracy what Kanye West thinks about each one of them. Which is almost kind of how it should be, maybe?

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Whereas like.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  No, that makes sense.

• 58:01Anthony Pompliano?

  If you look at other people, and this happens on both sides of the aisle, but also even non, you know, Republican or Democrat political parties, is, I'll talk to friends and I'll just be like, hey, what do you think about this? And they'll somehow answer, but it's like, oh, I'm a Republican and Republicans think this. Right? And so like my identity tells me that this is how I'm supposed to feel about it.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  Right. That's the problem.

• 58:26Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And so again, politics is the easiest one because it's like very clear. It's like red and blue. And there's a topic and this is how they each think.

• 58:35Anthony Pompliano?

  But this idea of like independent thinking, it scares the shit out of society.

• 58:42Anthony Pompliano?

  Because it is so rare.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you know what's interesting that I found is like I avoid politics kind of at all costs. Because unless you're with a group that thinks exactly like you, unfortunately, you're not getting anywhere. Nobody's changing your mind. You're not changing their mind. There's no need to argue about it. You avoid it. Right? But as soon as people start to say, oh, if I don't agree with something, so to say, I don't say, oh, it's because I'm a Republican or oh, it's because I'm a Democrat. I always say, oh, I'm in the middle. Like I learned to think for myself and I think both y'all are crazy. That actually, from my experience, people just, they, they don't say anything.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  They're like, that makes sense. It's a way to just diffuse the situation because nobody's going to be like, oh, wow, you think for yourself and you're a moderate and you think we're both. Yeah, she's right. Now, if I had said, oh, let's say a Democrat was yelling at, I said, oh, I'm a Republican. Now you got an argument.

• 59:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Now they're coming at you, but, but as soon as you say you're an independent, that's what I found. Silence.

• 59:51Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't even say it. Like I'm legitimately an independent, but the thing I love to do, I have friends that are very extreme on both sides. And I always ask them, I say, can you tell me one thing that you agree with the other side on? And like, and you watch just like smoke come out of their ears. And like, brains are combusting. But I do it in a very loving way, but I'm just like, if you tell me that there's zero things that you agree with another person on, then like, you are no longer thinking, like, well, yeah, I call it like, you're just in the religion, right? Like, you literally are just to a T in the religion. By the way, if that makes you happy, knock yourself out. Like, I don't give a fuck.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:00:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, that is way less intellectually interesting to me than if you can sit there and say, hey, this person that I have literally appears nothing in common with, I think that this is right. I think that's interesting. I see where they're coming from on this other thing. And then I disagree on all these other things. Like, that, to me, is way more of a valuable conversation. And so, my wife hates it.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  More interesting person too, you know?

• 1:00:55Anthony Pompliano?

  But I like to bring them to the same dinner, and then like,

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Just watch the shit go down.

• 1:01:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Just like, hey, you're very left-leaning. Like, you think that Republicans are right about anything?

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  And she's like, oh geez.

• 1:01:08Anthony Pompliano?

  And my friends are there. But what ends up happening is if you can get the right people in that conversation, it's fascinating to see how much they actually agree on the end state. It's the path to get to the end state that they disagree on.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:26Anthony Pompliano?

  They want good things to happen.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  I don't know anyone on the Republican side or the Democrat side that says, we need to pay more in taxes. Even my friends that are so far left are saying, milk's too high, groceries, like, everything's too high. The gas, like, I don't want my taxes to go up.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  But, but we gotta help these people. I'm like, well, who's gonna pay for it? But I don't want my taxes to go up. So it's like, it's the same. Everybody wants the same. Everyone wants to feel safe and have the government take less of their money. But they're not supporting the same party that, with the narrative. They're not like, looking into the narrative to be like, oh, this isn't gonna work. Maybe I should be on the, but hopefully in this, in this country, we'll have a third party one day.

• 1:02:18Anthony Pompliano?

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• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  I don't know what the solution is. I think-

• 1:04:06Anthony Pompliano?

  That's where I am. I have no clue.

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  I think like bringing more faith back into every day, like offices and schools. And I think people have lost their faith and they've lost kind of empathy and being a good person. And they just, there's no consequences to being a complete piece of shit. So I don't know what the exact solution is. I mean, maybe Jesus will come back and figure it out. I don't know, but I don't know if there's a solution. I had an interesting conversation with a priest friend of mine.

• 1:04:36Anthony Pompliano?

  A priest?

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  A priest friend. I have a friend that's a priest.

• 1:04:39Anthony Pompliano?

  I would love to hear this.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  And I said to him, and I was just, I think I was watching the news. I don't know. I just felt a little just not, I wasn't having like that great of a day. And I said, do you think the world's gonna get better?

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Or are we screwed? And he goes, well, according to the Bible, this is kind of how everything's supposed to play out. Like, it's really not gonna get that much better. Like eventually it'll get better, but it's gonna get worse.

• 1:05:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Why? What's the Bible say?

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Well, all these different things need to happen before he comes back. So there's gonna be more wars and more, he was always planned, meant to come back.

• 1:05:21Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  Yep. He was always, he's always coming back.

• 1:05:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Damn, my, my Bible knowledge is on a decline.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, there was always a second coming.

• 1:05:30Anthony Pompliano?

  You know, I went and I checked. I went and I checked to see if, if he was in the tomb.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  Well, of course he's not.

• 1:05:37Anthony Pompliano?

  No, I, I was in Israel and my brother and I were joking, but we were there and, and the tomb where he allegedly rose from.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh, we went and there's a long, I mean, line was like insane, right? It's now like a tourist trap essentially. And, uh, and so we went, we looked in there and you know, as with many of these kind of historical monuments, like you go and it's almost like the anticipation is more than, you look and you're like, it's a tomb, right? Uh, so it's not that much to see kind of inside of it. And then uh, we're like, nope, not there. Like, like positive, right? We, we checked. And the people in the line, you know, you kind of then look back and you're like, oh, these people are gonna wait like three hours to literally go see what we just saw. And like, you ask yourself like, Probably not waiting three hours without historical context, the importance, like all the stuff.

• 1:06:29Anthony Pompliano?

  It's more of like the story and the historical stuff is makes it what is worth waiting in line for.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  I would wait in line for that. I want to say I haven't been there.

• 1:06:38Anthony Pompliano?

  If you go, just go, just go super early.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Okay, go super early. I just think it would be just such a fascinating, just, just the feeling of just the.

• 1:06:48Anthony Pompliano?

  That's what it ends up being. You feel the gravity of the situation.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and just that like that man rose for us, you know, so we could.

• 1:06:57Anthony Pompliano?

  So wait, hold on, I'm letting you off the hook. What is this? He's coming back thing?

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  Well, in the Bible, the great revelations, I think it was, yeah, that he's, he's meant to come back. And when he rose, he said, I'll be back in two days and each day was a thousand years. So they're estimating he died around thirty to thirty-three.

• 1:07:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  So if he said.

• 1:07:19Anthony Pompliano?

  You think Jesus is coming back in a decade?

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Well, you're not supposed to guess or plan. So I can't say that. But am I prepared for the world to go on forever? Absolutely.

• 1:07:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  Am I prepared if he came back tomorrow? Absolutely.

• 1:07:34Anthony Pompliano?

  When he comes back, the world ends?

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  The believers will go. No, they won't. They won't end. The believers will go. They will rise. They won't die. They will go with him. And then Satan is supposed to come down and rule this place, tribulation for seven years. It's gonna be bad. You don't want to get stuck here.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  And then he'll come back down and this will kind of be anew and he'll run this place. It'll be heaven on earth, essentially, is the, is the theory. But you can't plan for it because it's not, you're not just, you're just not supposed to do that. So, but I always say, I think you should be ready for anything. You should wake up ready for the biggest day of your life, whether it's a business opportunity, meeting your special person, or Jesus coming back. I think you should be ready for everything.

• 1:08:22Anthony Pompliano?

  If you met Jesus in person, what would you ask him?

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  Why do you love us so much?

• 1:08:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Why do you love us so much?

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:34Anthony Pompliano?

  But hasn't he answered that question?

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Because so many people have like just turned their backs against him and just been terrible. Like, how can you love us so much? You know? And also like, what's my purpose? Am I on my purpose? I think I'm living my purpose, but you always want to know. If you could have an opportunity to be like, am I on the right path? Is this the path for me?

• 1:08:56Anthony Pompliano?

  This may be the only thing that we're going to disagree on today. I don't think I'd ask him any of that.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  What would you ask him?

• 1:09:01Anthony Pompliano?

  I'd be like, yo, what's it like to be Jesus?

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. That's a good one.

• 1:09:05Anthony Pompliano?

  That'd be fascinating, right? Like, hey, man, you never wake up and you're just like, uh, I'm gonna fuck some shit up today.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Right, like I control the world.

• 1:09:14Anthony Pompliano?

  You're never like, hey, you know what? Uh, I just like point and things move like...

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:09:18Anthony Pompliano?

  That's the stuff to me that'd be fascinating.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Well, here's another question I'd ask him. Why are you letting things? Why are you letting the devil have so much control? Why does it feel like he has so much control right now? Why, why, why aren't people seeing the full truth of what's really going on? There's a purpose. There could be, it could be him testing us, testing his people. We have free will. You gotta do the right thing. So, maybe he's testing people.

• 1:09:50Anthony Pompliano?

  I, uh, the whole concept of the devil is weird to me. Like, when you really think about how it is depicted throughout history.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:03Anthony Pompliano?

  He's got like a little underground lair, there's fire everywhere.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  Worms.

• 1:10:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, it's kind of a crazy... And I always, uh, I'm very interested in, uh, the origination of like, concepts. It's like, where did it come from? And if you think about the devil, the first person to be like, alright, the concept of the devil, let me draw fire and like all this stuff and everything, like, that person who actually took idea, story, you know, concept all this stuff, and put it into visual form, I mean, they set for thousands of years the basic direction of the devil.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  But I think like, I feel like he was a fallen angel. He was an angel, but he was fallen. I don't remember the exact story of how he fell, but he was a fallen angel.

• 1:10:57Anthony Pompliano?

  Probably tripped on a stick.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Right. But he's like a bad dude, right? I always say sometimes when we're frustrated, I'm like, damn you, Eve, why'd you gotta eat that apple? They've all been running around naked, just living the dream, and you had to eat the apple? And now we gotta deal with this anchor on the news?

• 1:11:13Anthony Pompliano?

  You were, you were, you were being, you were being way kinder. I was just thinking of like Adam Sandler, uh, I think it's in Big Daddy where he just throws a stick in front of the roller skater.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, right?

• 1:11:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, like that's the fallen angel?

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:11:28Anthony Pompliano?

  So he's trying to be funny?

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  We, I mean, but here's the thing is, we all do stupid shit. We make mistakes. It's part of being human. That's why you gotta forgive yourself and you gotta forgive others because God does the same for us. There's certain things, obviously, you don't, you just don't want to be a piece of shit. I honestly think

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  some of these people in Washington and other places, I feel that they act as if they're gonna live forever.

• 1:11:58Anthony Pompliano?

  They are.

• 1:12:00Anthony Pompliano?

  If you're 78 years old, 75, I don't know how old Nancy Pelosi is, but

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  She's 82.

• 1:12:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Is she really? She's 80?

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  She's in her 80s, yeah.

• 1:12:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Yo, to be honest?

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  She's my financial advisor.

• 1:12:17Anthony Pompliano?

  To be honest, if I'm 82 and, uh, I can still

• 1:12:24Anthony Pompliano?

  operate at all, I feel like she's winning. May not agree with everything she does, may not think that maybe they should be trading stocks and stuff, but like,

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:35Anthony Pompliano?

  I, if she retired, do we think that, uh, it'd be over pretty quick?

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  Oh, like she didn't have a job anymore?

• 1:12:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, you know how they talk all the time about like the people who work, you know, relentlessly for decades and decades?

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Oh, and then, yeah.

• 1:12:50Anthony Pompliano?

  And then they retire, they have nothing to do. Or like Mario Andretti, you ever heard the story of him? Uh, the race car driver?

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:56Anthony Pompliano?

  He, uh, he drove fast and the adrenaline would pump through his body so much that when he stopped, uh, driving, that he went to the doctor and the doctor was like, all your organs are failing. And he was like, what? And he was like, uh, your body thinks that you are dying because it's not getting the adrenaline it's used to on a consistent basis.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  So did he go back and drive?

• 1:13:20Anthony Pompliano?

  Not really. I mean, I, I think he probably did some stuff. They probably gave him some, uh, treatments or, or whatever, uh, to try to level out and, and, you know, tell about, hey, you're not actually dying. But like the physiological, you know, kind of aspect of, uh, being, having a sustained level, if all of a sudden she retires, like that, it's sad because like people make it political and in no way, uh, should we politicize people's, you know, lives like that. But like, it ends up being the situation where, uh, you can disagree with the ideas of someone, you can disagree, maybe even with their intentions. But to some aspect, like you gotta respect,

• 1:14:03Anthony Pompliano?

  these people have done this for so long.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Anthony Pompliano?

  And like, by the way, the consistency of doing wrong things just makes you wrong, right? But like, there's not very many jobs that people do for that long. It's kind of crazy.

• 1:14:18Speaker 02

  It is. I mean, term limits is what we definitely need, but she, hopefully she lives long, but, but you're right. When you lose your purpose, you can quickly, your body can quickly fall apart. And you see it all the time. People retire, they get bored and then they just die.

• 1:14:37Anthony Pompliano?

  I also think that politicians, I don't know if you've seen Elon Musk, uh, he started now on the earnings calls. He'll take some questions from YouTube.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:46Anthony Pompliano?

  So he'll find like a Tesla channel and he'll let them ask a question on the earnings call. And some of it is him trying to like stick his middle finger up basically to like the Wall Street analysts who are, you know, saying bad things about the company. Some of it is actually like, the questions are incredibly intelligent. So he's almost saying like, hey, these people have intelligent questions. Like, let me talk to them. And then some of it is just like, he's Elon, he's gonna do crazy things. And like, how hilarious is it to be on an earnings call and take a question from YouTube?

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:15:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Imagine if the politicians in the press conferences had to always take two questions from the, from the internet.

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Anthony Pompliano?

  It would completely change the dynamics of politics.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  Right, it absolutely would.

• 1:15:30Anthony Pompliano?

  No one's safe, all sides of the aisle, every press conference, you gotta take two questions from the internet and they're voted on.

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  I think it's brilliant because then you would actually know what the people want.

• 1:15:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Yes. And by the way, they may be the dumbest questions in the world, but if that's what the people want to ask.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  But you work for the people, so you gotta, you gotta answer the people.

• 1:15:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, and so like-

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  Do you know what I always thought with politicians?

• 1:15:54Anthony Pompliano?

  What?

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  If I, if you're interviewing me to work for this company, okay? And I tell you, I'm gonna do X, Y, and Z. And you hire me based on those conditions because that's what you're looking for. And then I come in and I do A, B, A, B, and C. You're like, but what about X, Y, Z? And I'm like, well, I'm just gonna do that instead. You would fire me. So we need to start holding the politicians accountable. If they run on something and they don't accomplish it, they should be able to be fired.

• 1:16:24Anthony Pompliano?

  So, I agree.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  It's a job.

• 1:16:26Anthony Pompliano?

  But what I would say, and as I've gone deeper down into some of these rabbit holes to understand some of those works, I've changed my mind on a couple of things. Technically, they can be fired, which is like the next election. I think what you're saying is like, well, maybe we shouldn't wait four years or whatever, right? But, but that is technically, I guess, how they could be fired. The second thing is, I agree, if you say you're gonna do A and you don't do A, that's a problem.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  It's a lie, you ran on a lie.

• 1:16:57Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, so here's the caveat, and I think where I've probably, maybe I've dulled the edges of how I view this, is- I think that there are a lot of situations where from the outside, they're essentially uneducated, right? Like they're like, I'm gonna do A because it sounds amazing. It's like a stump speech, like all stuff. And then they get there and they realize like, whoa, if I do A, here's like the second and third order effect of that, that I didn't understand previous. Or somebody shows up and they're like, hey, by the way, like, cute speech, here's the actual way it works, or here's the information, or whatever. And then they change their mind. Right? They're like, oh, you know what? Based on the outside view, like A seems like the right thing. But now that I have more information, like maybe B

• 1:17:41Anthony Pompliano?

  is the right thing, or A, you know, one is the right thing. And so

• 1:17:46Anthony Pompliano?

  that shouldn't be an excuse for them to be able to lie, or to promise things and then not do them. But it is interesting to think about, like, if you say, hey, I'm gonna come work at your company, I'm gonna do A, B, you know, or XYZ, and then you show up and you're like, oh, wait, now that I see the data, because I don't think a lot of candidates actually get the information until they get into office.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:18:07Anthony Pompliano?

  That becomes interesting, right? Because now it's like, oh, wait a second, maybe the data is different. But the problem is, they never say that. They never are like, hey, I promised A, but here's the information that I saw. I actually don't think A is the right thing anymore. I now think B is the right thing. Let me explain it to you. Let me take questions.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, and they don't do that because nobody's held accountable, it feels like.

• 1:18:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, how many people could name?

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:18:30Anthony Pompliano?

  How many? If you went out on the street and you ask people, name as many politicians as you could think of, how many people could name 20 of them?

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  Probably not a lot.

• 1:18:40Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't think that many. And by the way, there's like, 1,000 politicians, maybe?

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Oh, there's so many.

• 1:18:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? So like, if you can't name 20 out of 1,000, you don't care. Right? You're not paying attention. It's like, kind of the way I think about it. You just, it, you don't have to say what their policies are, whatever. You can't even say their names. Then like, okay, you're just not paying attention.

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Which is a proxy for, you don't care.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:07Anthony Pompliano?

  And I think regardless of what people want, who's gonna like, you're just not gonna change people's mind. Like, humans are humans. What do they want to do?

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  Oh, people are very stuck in their ways, yeah.

• 1:19:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:17Speaker 02

  For sure. So that's why, like, I don't, I don't try to change people's minds. I'm just like, okay, here's the information. Do with it as you wish.

• 1:19:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I just like the bullshit on the internet.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:19:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Just sit here and do this.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever, like, said something mean on the, I'm just not a mean person.

• 1:19:33Anthony Pompliano?

  I say mean things to my brothers all the time.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Well, that's normal. My brother beat the shit out of me when I was little. Do you know, it's in, I actually talk about it in the book. It's funny because there's actually something that's no longer true in that book. So when I was little, my brother and his cousin, or my cousin, they were the same age. They used to get me to do everything for them. Go get us sodas, go get us candy, go get us towels, go do, all in the promise that I would receive a farting bear.

• 1:19:58Anthony Pompliano?

  A farting bear?

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  A farting, I just wanted a teddy bear that farted. That's all I wanted. It's my dream thing. I never got the ted, the farting bear. Until my birthday this year. So my brother and his wife went to Build-A-Bear and got me a farting bear. Now, Build-A-Bear doesn't make farting bears. So my brother bought the recorder, took it home, ate a shit ton of beans, farted in it, went back to Build-A-Bear, shoved it in a bear, and now I've got this farting bear.

• 1:20:26Anthony Pompliano?

  What was your reaction when he gave it to you?

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I laughed so hard because I couldn't believe it was actually his fart in the bear. But I thought like, this is, it was actually an amazing present. Like, so now I, it sits on my shelf, but it was like such a, such a formative, you know, thing. But it's like, I got so toughened up. You may not always get what you want, but you get what you need. Which for me was to be very tough because I, my brother definitely treated me like I was a little boy.

• 1:20:53Anthony Pompliano?

  I've never done this in a conversation on the show before, but I think that this is, uh, interesting. The names of the chapters in your book. Time to find financial freedom, time to stop being afraid, time to step into faith, time to create your new amazing reality, time to believe in yourself, time to escape the tunnel, time to stop being offended, time to improve your relationship, time to get out of your own way. It's pretty interesting because

• 1:21:20Anthony Pompliano?

  While the book is funny, while the book is your life, in reality, this book is a pretty quick read to get quite a bit of value out of, hey, if you're sitting in whatever position in life and you're just like, is this it? Is this really what I want to be doing? I think that reading certain books are important. Reading certain books at certain points in time is where like the real magic is. And so there's the collision of ideas and like the time in your life. It feels like for those people who are stuck, pretty good, a pretty good one to pick up.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And I give a lot of real world examples of how I was living in the scarcity mindset and how I overcame it. Also, like, you know, with faith and using the law of attraction, that kind of helps you and your mindsets and your thoughts create your reality. All these things that kind of I woke up to, but it's very unfiltered. I didn't want a filtered book that was just talking at you. There's a lot of like naughty jokes in there that, that were just real. I mean, I want you to read, you do, do me a favor. Let me find it for you. I want you to-

• 1:22:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Should we just read the whole book here?

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  No, I want you to read page, page eight, starting with the second paragraph, where it says, you were just young and I want you to read-

• 1:22:46Anthony Pompliano?

  I already see three words. I'm like, oh, boy, here we go.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  And the next one. Okay, you're on.

• 1:22:53Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't think I could read this and not get us kicked off YouTube. You were young just yesterday, wasn't it? Fresh out of college and bright eyed and full of plans. You were going to change the world, get rich, get laid and or married and have it all. That meant making a name for yourself, finding something to call happiness, proving anyone, whoever doubted you wrong. But more and more, the days go on without the boom ever coming. And shit is so much harder and so much less satisfying than you thought it would be. Life feels like a frat party where you're sucking everyone just so you'll get invited back next time. Problem is every time it's the same sausage fest. Like, what's the solution? Where's the doorway? And what's the secret sauce? Do you have an audiobook? Cause if not, I may be for hire.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  I think I might have to hire you. I don't have one yet, but I think it would be great. You just can't censor the key words.

• 1:23:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Well, you could thank Susan from YouTube. She doesn't like when we say that word.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 1:23:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, she is not as funny.

• 1:23:51Speaker 02

  Who's Susan from YouTube?

• 1:23:53Anthony Pompliano?

  She's CEO.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Oh, does she actually censor the D I C K word? I said it.

• 1:23:58Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm sure that she probably does. I don't know. She's taking videos down. We had her channel deleted at one point, you know? I got a love hate relationship. Sometimes she sends videos viral though. So, hey, you can't hate her on everything.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  We were pretty clean on this.

• 1:24:09Anthony Pompliano?

  I thought so too. Where can people go find the book?

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

  So they can go to Amazon or Barnes and Noble dot com right now. Eventually it'll be in all the stores. Should be in Barnes and Noble soon. And yeah, they can order it online. And then I also have a podcast that you have been on next to Madison. So I'll be talking more about that book on that podcast as well.

• 1:24:30Anthony Pompliano?

  What about social media? Where can we send people to find you?

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  My Instagram is at Real Madison Malloy and then Twitter's.

• 1:24:37Anthony Pompliano?

  Huh? Are there fake ones?

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  You know, my original one got hacked and it was, so I took my podcast one originally and then I'm like, so Madison Malloy wasn't available.

• 1:24:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Cause it got hacked.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Cause it got hacked. So I had to do Real Madison Malloy. I'm like, eh, I guess I'm Real Madison Malloy.

• 1:24:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it.

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  It'd be funny if I was fake Madison.

• 1:24:52Anthony Pompliano?

  What about Twitter?

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  And then Madison Malloy. And then I have a TikTok channel, but only because I have to.

• 1:24:57Anthony Pompliano?

  Are you big on TikTok?

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:24:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, I'm big on TikTok.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  But maybe I'll get big on TikTok. I gotta start doing it.

• 1:25:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Big on TikTok.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  How many do you have? You're huge on Twitter.

• 1:25:05Anthony Pompliano?

  We got, we got videos. How many videos? We got, we got one with a million views. Yeah. Yeah. We got a million views last week.

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 1:25:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I don't know if that's actually good or not. I have no clue. I've never even been on TikTok.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  I think that's fantastic.

• 1:25:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Somebody else uploads the videos, but they said we're big. We're big on TikTok.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Which by the way, is my theory on TikTok is most of the people who are big on TikTok that are like a little bit older, they're not actually the ones on TikTok. It's just people uploading the videos from Instagram or YouTube.

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:30Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm big with the kids.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  I feel like you gotta just, you have to go on it. You know what? TikTok's amazing.

• 1:25:34Anthony Pompliano?

  A grandfather saying that.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  I feel like actually if you start looking at certain things, you start searching certain things.

• 1:25:41Anthony Pompliano?

  I can't get on. I can't, I can't do it.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Great information.

• 1:25:44Anthony Pompliano?

  You know why I can't do it? Can't help China and I feel like I'll get addicted. I feel like I'll get addicted.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  You will get addicted. I have profits on there that come up in my algorithm. Doctors about supplements, um, side hustles.

• 1:26:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Wait, real quick, you told me you're taking a supplement that uh is like a wonder drug?

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Not medical advice, Susan.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  This is not, right. If you go to uh TikTok and you literally type in N A C.

• 1:26:13Anthony Pompliano?

  N A C.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Nancy, Apple, Charlie.

• 1:26:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Yep.

• 1:26:18Anthony Pompliano?

  It's like the longevity thing, right?

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  The whole, like, all the, the videos and the comments, this thing like helps fight free radical damage. So when you travel on an airplane, you should double up on it the day before and the day after, right? Because when you're in, flying in the stratosphere, free radical damage is higher.

• 1:26:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Did you know that your taste buds change in uh in the air?

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:26:38Anthony Pompliano?

  That's why they change the uh the type of food that they serve?

• 1:26:41Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting. Is that why everything's so salty?

• 1:26:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Yes.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Anthony Pompliano?

  And also why a lot of people uh order tomato juice supposedly?

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:26:49Anthony Pompliano?

  I didn't know any of this. I read an article. It's kind of like sleeping at uh, what is it, Hampton Inn or whatever?

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, yeah. No, but I actually, flight attendants need to take this. I, I was on a flight and I told people about this, but I'm telling you, a skincare woman, it's called N A C. A skincare woman told me to take this. She was like doing a facial for me. And I started taking this thing. I can't, I won't live without it. There's a reason the FDA is trying to ban it and you can't find it on Amazon.

• 1:27:14Anthony Pompliano?

  FDA is uh is coming for it.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  Because they want to make it prescription because this stuff is so good and you can get like $2.50 for like $19.99, okay? I am never tired, never sick. The only reason I caught a little cold last week is because I forgot to take it for like five days. This thing makes your immune system so rock solid. I feel like I could lick a subway pole and nothing would happen to me. It's given me like dynamite. And then I was on TikTok and I saw this other guy, come on, he goes, there was a study out of Baylor University that. They might have cracked like the fountain of youth is what he was saying. He goes, these two supplements over the counter taken together could be the fountain of youth.

• 1:27:59Anthony Pompliano?

  What's the second one?

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  NAC was one and the other one was glycine.

• 1:28:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Glycine?

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  Glycine.

• 1:28:03Anthony Pompliano?

  That sounds like some Clorox shit.

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you take those together. So I'm gonna go and pick up some glycine.

• 1:28:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Glycine?

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:28:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Not medical advice.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Right, no, it's not medical advice. It's all natural.

• 1:28:14Anthony Pompliano?

  What is glycine?

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  I don't know exactly what it is I have to do, but it's another cellular type damage.

• 1:28:19Anthony Pompliano?

  You should not look at what it is. Don't look at what it is. Just take a bunch of it. Like over the next couple of weeks and then just see like what happens and then look to see what you were taking. It's kind of like, you ever gone to a restaurant and they like?

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  Like a placebo?

• 1:28:31Anthony Pompliano?

  No, they've got like some, uh, no, they got like some like fancy looking name or whatever. And then, you know, my thing is I usually turn to people like, hey, what is this? Like, what's that mean? And they're like, oh, it's like a liver or heart or whatever. You're like, uh, I'm gonna just get the burger.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, exactly. But no, it's supposed to be amazing.

• 1:28:49Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, NAC and glycine.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:51Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm gonna go do research.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  But the NAC thing, I mean, I swear by that and I'm not like a big like supplement. Like I take what I need type thing, but this is the one that.

• 1:29:00Anthony Pompliano?

  I only take one thing every day, well, two things actually. Uh, no, three things actually.

• 1:29:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, just three things.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Are you sure?

• 1:29:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Emergency. I pour the little thing, powder, because I kind of feel like a scientist when I'm making it. And then I get a drink. It's supposed to be good for you. Two is Athletic Greens. I'm like obsessed.

• 1:29:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I heard that's great.

• 1:29:21Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, the AG1. I'm so obsessed that they advertise with us. I'm an investor in the business and if I could figure out how to take the powder and have it be made into like food so that I could eat also and get, and feel like I'm getting the same thing, I'd do that. And then the, uh, the third one is, uh, the equivalent of like the Flintstone gummy, uh, like multivitamin.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:46Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't think it actually does anything. I just like the idea of, you know, like I took a little thing I, uh, every day and you're supposed to like get all the vitamins.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Can you do, you can do the gummy ones?

• 1:29:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I like those much better.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  I can't do the gummy ones. Do you wanna why?

• 1:29:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Why?

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  I'll eat the whole fucking bottle.

• 1:30:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, they do taste very good.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  Oh, I'd get those vitamin C ones and I'm like.

• 1:30:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Now, the the emergency is like a unlock. I think anyone who's ever lived in New York or New Jersey or anywhere like in the northeast during the winter, you take two emergencies every day and you're golden.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  Every day?

• 1:30:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  How many milligrams of vitamin C is in there?

• 1:30:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Not financial or not financial or medical advice. Uh, I think you're supposed to take one a day.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Well, how many?

• 1:30:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Buy double up.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  How many milligrams of vitamin C is actually in it?

• 1:30:28Anthony Pompliano?

  No clue.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  Cause they say you're supposed to get around a thousand milligrams of vitamin C a day, but you can't take it. You can't go to the store and buy a thousand milligrams because you can all your body can only process 500 at a time. So you should take one in the morning and then one in the afternoon.

• 1:30:43Anthony Pompliano?

  That's what I used to do. I think I used to take one in the morning, one at night. And then I was like, well, why am I doing that? I want to take them both together. So maybe I'm doing it wrong.

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  Well, because you're you're just gonna pee it out. It's not gonna cause you any damage. So you're just basically peeing away your money. My parents take more vitamins than anyone I know. I literally got vitamins for the morning, the afternoon, the night. I mean, pounds of pills.

• 1:31:01Anthony Pompliano?

  You should replace them all with just like, uh, placebo pills and see if they notice.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  I know, right?

• 1:31:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Don't do that if they have medical conditions.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. They're not on medications like all their friends, except like, you know, things they need.

• 1:31:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, they're just like vitamins.

• 1:31:16Speaker 02

  They're just vitamins. They're so healthy, but they're not on, you know, high cholesterol and all these other drugs that people in their seventies typically are on. They're not on them, but I think it's a little bit of an overload. So my sister in law, my sister in law and I, we always joke that we're like, they have the most expensive piss on the block. You know what I'm saying? Cause they're just being, cause you just get rid of all this stuff.

• 1:31:37Anthony Pompliano?

  The fish oil is the one I got a lot of friends. They take the fish oil.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  Yes, and flaxseed oil is really good for your skin. I haven't been taking that. That reminds me, I gotta get it. Yeah.

• 1:31:45Anthony Pompliano?

  That sounds weird. I'm out.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Well, I, there was this one guy I knew that I used to work.

• 1:31:49Anthony Pompliano?

  They got that? They put in your drinks?

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  I need to do that.

• 1:31:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it tastes like chalk on. I'm out.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  I know, but if it makes your skin look better, I'd like to get those huge, like, deep, like, radio frequency things that just like.

• 1:32:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Hydrofacial? My friend, my friend is the chairman of a, a company that owns. Hydrofacial?

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  That's a good one, though, but it doesn't provide the results that you need. Like, I like the... No, I mean, it does. It looks, you look great for an event, right? But if you really want, like, you need the Morpheus or the CO2, like, the ones where you're crying, basically.

• 1:32:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, like if somebody's pressure washing your face.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Then that's like the good stuff.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's gonna get you this stuff. But I do like the hydrofacial. I do like it. I'm just saying, like, if I want some lifting and tightening, you gotta go for the laser.

• 1:32:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Can I leave you with one absolutely insane fact that you're gonna like, be like, I cannot believe that, one, that's true, or two, you're admitting it publicly?

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:32:42Anthony Pompliano?

  I was 27 years old, I think, when I met Polina.

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:32:47Anthony Pompliano?

  And I, one day we were talking, and she said something, and I was like, and you know, like, when somebody says something, and you're like, oh shit, I'm gonna have to admit something, and I know it's not gonna be well received?

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:57Anthony Pompliano?

  I had that moment. And then she, like, was like, what? And I was like, nothing. She was like, what? And I was like, I figured, like, well, I should just tell you this now. I've never washed my face before. And she was like, what do you mean? And I was like, yeah, like, the only time I've ever washed my face was, like, with a bar of soap.

• 1:33:17Speaker 02

  Oh, like, in, yeah, in the shower?

• 1:33:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, in the shower or whatever. Yeah, but like, I, like, face wash. She was like, talking about all this. I was like, I grew up in a house with five boys. Like, that wasn't a thing. Like, we didn't have any of that stuff.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:27Anthony Pompliano?

  And, uh, and she was like, that's disgusting. And so now, fast forward five, six years, whatever it is, like, uh, what are they called? Face masks?

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:37Anthony Pompliano?

  Every guy I know does them. None of them, like, talk about them. So I...

• 1:33:40Speaker 02

  The sheet mask or, like, the actual, like, mask?

• 1:33:42Anthony Pompliano?

  No, like, the scrub stuff. Like, uh, or like the, you know, it's kind of like lotion or whatever, but then gets hard on their faces.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Anthony Pompliano?

  They all do this shit, but no one, like, talk about it.

• 1:33:51Speaker 02

  Men's beauty has gone through the roof.

• 1:33:54Anthony Pompliano?

  I like to wait till we're all at dinner, and like, you know, everyone's like girlfriends, wives, whatever, there, and be like, so guys, what's the, uh, what's the latest face mask y'all are using?

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, right?

• 1:34:03Anthony Pompliano?

  And everyone gets real quiet. Everyone's like, hey, shit, I ain't gonna admit that. And immediately, the other people are like, oh, he likes this one, or he likes this one!

• 1:34:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Gets them every time.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  Oh, it's great.

• 1:34:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Time to lighten the fuck up a self-help guide with a side of humor. I appreciate it very much. Thank you.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 1:34:21Anthony Pompliano?

  If you don't get the book, then you just don't have a good sense of humor. So.

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, buy the book.

• 1:34:26Anthony Pompliano?

  We'll do it again in the future.

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  Perfect. Thank you so much.

• 1:34:30Anthony Pompliano?

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