TBT: Leo Skepi

The beautiful Leo Skepi comes to shine his light this week. Leo is the rising star and host of the Aware and Aggravated podcast, quickly climbing up the charts and providing insight on everything from relationships, family, education, finance and more. Leo talks with Bunnie about his own self transformation and rising like a gorgeous phoenix after family drama and toxic relationships. Leo Skepi: Aware and Aggravated https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/aware-aggravated/id1594031639 TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@leoskepi?lang=en Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  Alright gentlemen, coming to main stage next, this is Bunny. Get up there, she's got a tornado of titties coming your way. Get those dollar bills ready. She's got an ass that shakes like Michael J. Fox. So get up there and throw, throw, throw them dollars.

• 0:42Bunnie XO?

  Dude, that is fucking iconic. What's up you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today I have my brand new bestie in the house. I know you guys love him online. I love him online and meeting him in person, he smells really fucking good. And he is a tall glass of water. Leo, baby, what is up?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  Hi baby, I'm so excited to be here.

• 1:02Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I'm so happy you're here. I did not know you were a Texas boy.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  I was born in Florida, but I just moved to Houston.

• 1:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay. So how long have you been in Houston? Cause I'm from Houston.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  I'm coming up on a year.

• 1:13Bunnie XO?

  Oh wow.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  And I'm already sick of it.

• 1:14Bunnie XO?

  Oh really? That was my next question. Why are you sick of it?

• 1:18Speaker 02

  I just feel like I've outgrown it.

• 1:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  And I don't mean to like be like an egotistical asshole, but like the opportunities there, they don't excite me. I like to be scared. I like to feel like I'm intimidated by an opportunity. And I don't feel that. Like LA is where I'm moving to in July.

• 1:33Bunnie XO?

  Oh wow.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Plot twist, I haven't told anyone that.

• 1:35Bunnie XO?

  Wow, that's crazy.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  I'm moving, because like that's the shit that makes me scared.

• 1:39Bunnie XO?

  So I grew up on the West Coast and if I could give you any advice before you go to LA and I don't want to crush your dreams, I feel LA has lost its sparkle. It's not like it used to be. Yeah, I don't know how much time you've spent out there, but like I grew up LA Vegas. So it's like back in the day, that was, it was like so cool. And now I feel like every time I go there, like I really feel like it's just like a city of lost souls, if that makes sense. So I don't know, but I, not to be a dream killer, but...

• 2:06Speaker 02

  No, I literally went there for six days for a trip and I was like, oh, I love it. Here I come.

• 2:10Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I love it. Well then go baby, go.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  It was more like the people that I met that made it the experience. There were some fake people, you can just smell it. A lot of people say LA is fake. There's all this and that. Like if you don't have a good judge of character, of course. But I can kind of like, just like smell it.

• 2:25Bunnie XO?

  No, I think you can see through people's bullshit, for sure. So I fell in love with you on TikTok. I think you came across my page and I was like, who is this fine ass motherfucker? I was like, he is beautiful, but not only just your looks, your, just how you are on the inside is what's so beautiful to me and like what drew me in with you. And then as I started watching you, I was like, oh my God, I need to have him on the podcast. And then I saw how many other people love you. And then I found out you had a podcast. Let's talk about your podcast.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, my podcast, I'm the first gay person to chart number one in education.

• 2:58Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Which is huge. I get chills talking about it. Like my nipples are so hard.

• 3:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Like it's, it's insane. But like that podcast, I literally started it from my dad's closet. Like I just had my phone, it's funny in the closet. But I just started like with my phone in the closet, like propped up on a shelf and I would just talk shit. And I would just share like anything I've learned and knew about life that I couldn't find when I was like struggling. And then it just like snowballed. And I've been doing it for like a year and a half. In the past three months, it has blown up.

• 3:29Bunnie XO?

  Aww.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  And now I'm not in the closet no more.

• 3:31Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it-

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Literally or figuratively.

• 3:33Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy how podcasts can be so therapeutic?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it.

• 3:36Bunnie XO?

  I suffer from really bad mental health. I have really bad anxiety and like suicidal ideation and stuff like that, which we just had told me that you had about with that. Um, and I've been doing my podcast for five years and it's been one of the most therapeutic things I've ever done.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  It really is.

• 3:53Bunnie XO?

  Really helped me kind of come out of my shell.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, mine kind of is like sharing what I've learned, but it like heals me in a weird way. By like sharing what I've been through and sharing how I've overcome it. I learn a lot of things. And it's like my own little therapy, but I'm the therapist and the client.

• 4:09Bunnie XO?

  Right. You control the narrative. I totally understand.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  It's so nice, but I fully get it. And there's been multiple times where the things that I say, I always speak to my younger self in my podcasts. So my messages are very harsh and direct and harsh truths. And it's like, I baby you when it's necessary. And then I tell you to get off your fucking ass and quit being a bitch.

• 4:27Bunnie XO?

  I think people need that though.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like there's so many times where I'll say certain things that I needed to hear so bad. And when I'm editing it back, I'll just start fucking bawling like a baby. And I'm like, hearing like- Myself say it, hearing anyone say it was just like, whoa. But like, I have those moments. I love it.

• 4:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I love that too. I love listening to you because you are so kind of poetic with your words too.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 4:49Bunnie XO?

  You draw people in. Let's rewind it though. I want to know more about you, like where you came from, like growing up. I want to know about childhood traumas. I want to know all about Leo. And I want to pronounce your last name. How do I say it? Is it Skepi?

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:03Bunnie XO?

  Skepi. Okay, I wanted to make sure I said it right. I want to know all about Leo Skepi. So where was Leo born?

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Pensacola, Florida.

• 5:10Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Well, every time I say I'm from Florida, people are like, oh Miami. I'm like, uh-uh. The absolute opposite end of it and the worst spot. Pensacola is right next to Alabama, but it's also right next to the beach.

• 5:21Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  So you get so many different dynamics of people. Like you have like the little city people. It's like, there's certain areas that are like ghetto as hell. Like the murder rate and the crime rate is so bad. And then you have like the Hicks and like the country people from Alabama who don't mind their fucking business.

• 5:33Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  And so I have like that. And then you have like the beach people. And it's like, it just was a melting pot, but it contributed to me being who I am. Like I got it all.

• 5:43Bunnie XO?

  Did you grow up there like your whole life?

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:44Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so that's where you grew up. And then were you raised by mom and dad?

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Yes. So my dad is Albanian and my mom is white.

• 5:52Bunnie XO?

  That's where your intensity comes from.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Yes, but my mom moved in with my dad and his family at 16 when they met. So she was raised as an Albanian girl. So she has all the morals, traits, values. So that's kind of like how. It's like I, she's white, but I was raised in like a traditionally Albanian household and nuts.

• 6:13Bunnie XO?

  Was it super strict growing up or like super religious?

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Not really, but I don't know how to explain it. Like it wasn't bad. You're just raised. It's like, the way you can explain the Albanian way of life and culture is it's the. All the morals and values of like the mob mafia lifestyle are instilled in everyday people. So like the loyalty, respect, all of that is like very high held.

• 6:44Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  And that's how you're judged.

• 6:46Bunnie XO?

  I grew up with a bunch of Chaldeans in Vegas and that's how they operate too.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, like there is no betrayal. There's no nothing. And if you cross one, you cross all.

• 6:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  So everybody will come at you. Like that's just, that's the way I can explain Albanian culture. But like the biggest thing for me, kind of with all that. Back to my past and all that shit. I got bullied in high school. I was fat. I was ugly. I was all that. But the biggest thing with the Albanian culture is the most, like, the biggest disgrace. And the worst thing you can do is be gay.

• 7:14Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  And here I am.

• 7:16Bunnie XO?

  Were you always, did you, when, when you were a baby, did, not a baby, but like, you know, growing up, did you always, were you always attracted to boys or did something happen? Like, was something traumatic or?

• 7:30Speaker 02

  I wish it was that simple. Like, I wish something, like, something just fucked up happened to me.

• 7:34Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  No, it was kind of like a battle with my sexuality.

• 7:37Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  And I started getting feelings for guys at a younger age, like middle school type, but I was like, no, they're just my friends.

• 7:45Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  And I was like, looking at them a little different and I would just shut it down in my head.

• 7:48Bunnie XO?

  I was humping girls when I was five. I mean, I, it, listen, I was a horny little goat. It's all right.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 7:55Bunnie XO?

  Like, I think it just is something, but the thing is, is like, I don't consider myself gay because like, I love men. I need penetration, but I also appreciate women, you know? So it's like, does that make me bi? I don't know. You know, like, I think everybody wants a label and it's just like, just be who you are. Love who you love.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  I know. I'm like that. I wish I wasn't gay, but I'm just a faggot. I can't help it. Like, I like men, but I don't like little sissy men.

• 8:18Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  I like tough men.

• 8:20Bunnie XO?

  We're gonna get into that because when I first saw you, I was like, he is so fucking hot. So I would think that women would try to like, turn you out because you're so masculine, but you're like so in touch with your feelings and like, you're like a dream guy for every girl. Like, you know, every woman, every woman's probably like, I am so confused watching this man every day.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have a lot of people that try and like convert me and sway me, but one thing that I do do is I don't.

• 8:47Bunnie XO?

  He said that so calmly. He said, I do have a lot of people who try to convert me and sway me.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like, I do like to make out with my girlfriends. I love kissing girls. I love being affectionate, but when it comes to sex, it's like, that's, I need the masculinity.

• 9:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  It would just be so easy if I was straight. So easy.

• 9:04Bunnie XO?

  I mean, but it's, you love who you love, you know?

• 9:06Speaker 02

  I don't love men.

• 9:07Bunnie XO?

  I like to make out with the girls whenever I'm drunk or like I'm going out too, you know, but I need a man to fucking toss me around. So let's bring it back. Um, you said in high and junior high schools when you started noticing that you were attracted to boys and stuff like that. Take me on that journey. Cause you're in this really, you know, I don't want to say strict Albanian lifestyle, but you know, you were raised in a certain way where that's, it wasn't acceptable.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I had the thoughts, but I immediately just shut them down. Like even like as I got into high school, I was more like, okay, I am 100% into guys. Like I know it, but I was like, that will never come out of me.

• 9:49Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  I will never act on it. I will never do anything. I will, that's not a potential. So don't even think that way. And I just shut it down inside myself.

• 9:56Bunnie XO?

  Do you think you did that because of how you were raised or because you were like, okay?

• 10:00Speaker 02

  And like for me, that someone looks, that looks like me and behaves like me and is from where I'm from. That's, I never in my life thought I would come out, ever. And just like to have, like I'm such a contradiction. Like the typical gay, I'm not.

• 10:16Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  And the typical straight dude, I'm not. So I don't, I've never felt a sense of belonging or felt like I've fit in. So I don't know why I thought I'd have like an easy time with sexuality, but I don't fit any kind of like stereotype.

• 10:28Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  And I like it now.

• 10:29Bunnie XO?

  No, I love that though.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Damn challenge to get here.

• 10:32Bunnie XO?

  So it's when you finally did this, were you close with your dad and close with your mom? Or how was that relationship? And do you have brothers and sisters?

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:41Bunnie XO?

  Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  So I have a sister and my parents, my relationship with my parents has been back and forth. Like they got, well, they started getting divorced when I was like a child, but it strung out in court and it was like an absolute shit show. And it was just like a lot of, like, things kids shouldn't know.

• 11:01Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  We were told and we had to make adult decisions from a young age.

• 11:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  And then it was like, like the loyalty thing. When you showed appreciation or cared about one parent, the other parent took it as a betrayal. So it was very hard to navigate. Like I came from fucking both of you.

• 11:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  And you want me to pick? It's like, it's, one parent was always pushing more of the picking, but it wasn't really, it was just a lot to take in.

• 11:27Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  And it was hectic with that. But what was the question? I got off track.

• 11:30Bunnie XO?

  No, I mean, I was just saying, were you close to your parents?

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Yes, I was close with them, but we had our. I've cut both of them off at multiple points. Like I've stopped talking to both of my parents. I fucked up sometimes. They fucked up sometimes. It just was back and forth, but now I'm in a place where we're good.

• 11:47Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  So

• 11:48Bunnie XO?

  Growth, yeah.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Like everything happened how it had to and we wouldn't be where we are.

• 11:52Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it so crazy how dysfunctional all of our parents are? Like every, every one of us sitting in this room, fucking besides the two that, you know, that share parents. It's like, we all have dysfunctional ass parents, you know, like they just did not heal. They were the generation that chose not to heal. And I feel like we're the generation that has came in and we're like, bro, we are gonna fuck shit up and we're gonna change this shit. No matter what, the genetic DNA, fucking trauma, we are just changing this shit and I love that for all of us.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think the biggest thing with that kind of perspective on it is our parents.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  They had, they feel things. They don't like certain shit. They don't follow the way that they feel. They don't care that they're uncomfortable. They'll just suck it up and just deal with shit.

• 12:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Our generation is like, okay, why am I upset?

• 12:40Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Do I actually have to continue doing this?

• 12:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  We started questioning shit.

• 12:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  And it's like, we don't actually have to do this. Like to live a miserable life? No.

• 12:48Bunnie XO?

  No, not doing it, yeah. So when did you come out to your parents? Was it after high school?

• 12:56Speaker 02

  So

• 12:56Bunnie XO?

  He's like, I'm about to get uncomfortable.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  I am sweating already.

• 13:00Bunnie XO?

  Aww, take a drink. Take a drink of your

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Shit, a drink and a cigarette. You have a shot?

• 13:05Bunnie XO?

  We have Trulies. Trulies have vodka in them, right? I don't know. I've never drank one. I'm sober, so I don't drink them.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  I know. When I found out you didn't drink, I was like, oh, fuck.

• 13:13Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I had to, okay? I listened. It was bad. I was fucking popping pills and fucking drinking bottles of vodka by myself. It was a thing. I grew up in Vegas, okay? Like I lived the Vegas lifestyle.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Okay, so I have to talk about kind of coming to terms with my sexuality a little first because I went from like, okay, I know that I'm into guys, but I will never act on it. And then I started seeing a therapist and I was like,

• 13:41Bunnie XO?

  I love that you were that young and you were so conscious to go see a therapist.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like nineteen.

• 13:46Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  The reason I went to a therapist is because I hadn't cried since I'm like twelve.

• 13:52Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  So I was like nineteen and I was like, why don't I feel the emotion of sadness? Like I don't feel sad. I get pissed off or I'm happy.

• 13:58Bunnie XO?

  Why do you think that was? Or did you come to a conclusion of why that was?

• 14:02Speaker 02

  Um.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Sad and being hurt in any way was looked at, looked at as a weakness. So I completely cut off from that part of myself. Like I would feel numb, pissed off or happy. And I got such like a deep pit of like that numbness. One time I was like, I'm having all these like traumatic ass things happen to me and I don't cry. I was like, what the hell's going on?

• 14:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  So I'm like nineteen, I'm like, oh, how I made money was another story.

• 14:30Bunnie XO?

  Oh, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about that too. Don't think you're getting out of that. Were you already doing that in high school? I thought maybe that would be after, but were you, you said some traumatic things were happening to you. What are some of those traumatic things that were going on that you weren't reacting to?

• 14:45Speaker 02

  Okay. So like everything going on with my parents, betrayals from other family members. Um, trying to be killed by a few people. One was family.

• 14:54Bunnie XO?

  Why?

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Um, crazy shit, Albanian shit. My stepdad was extremely, I don't know how to explain him and that in a dynamic of him, but he was like extremely abusive and prepared me for life. Like he was an ex-con, had murdered a bunch of people, served his time, got out, still operated from the prison mentality. So he was like-

• 15:20Bunnie XO?

  It's hard to break that.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Oh, you can't break it. It's like when people come back from war.

• 15:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Like you, once you get-

• 15:26Bunnie XO?

  Your brain's completely altered.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  Like when you see the world in that way, you can't forget it. So like he knew how dark the world was and he wanted to prepare me for it. But what he did to me was like do everything to me that could be done to prepare me. So like anything you can imagine, like went through it, like he had like choked me out, put a gun to my head, like attacked me when I was sleeping multiple times. So I was always ready, even while I'm asleep. Like people will come up to me now and like try to put a blanket on me when I'm sleeping and my body just like, I start like swinging. Just out of like-

• 15:59Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever suffer from like anxiety and stuff like that?

• 16:02Speaker 02

  That was the least of my worries, anxiety, depression.

• 16:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Yeah. He's like, bitch, I'm trying to survive.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Right. Like all of that was there, but like, that was a lot of it. And then he died.

• 16:11Bunnie XO?

  Did he ever sexually abuse you?

• 16:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 16:13Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Luckily.

• 16:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I mean, he did everything else.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  What else at that point? I could have handled it.

• 16:19Bunnie XO?

  God, that's terrible though. How old were you going through that?

• 16:23Speaker 02

  I was, it was like sixteen to eighteen.

• 16:25Bunnie XO?

  That's so fucked up. And did your mom know that was happening?

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Not really, but he was abusing the hell out of her too. So like he

• 16:36Speaker 02

  was doing similar like abusive things to her. So we were both like trapped together. And a lot of weird shit with that, but he died like tragically.

• 16:48Bunnie XO?

  Karma.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  He was going like a hundred and like fifty miles an hour on a bike. He had a Hayabusa and he would trick it out to go like three hundred miles an hour. He was going like one fifty and a car pulled out when he was going down some like. I don't know if it was a freeway or whatever the fuck it was like he pulled out, someone pulled out and he hit them. And he flew like sixty feet in the air, his head came off in his helmet, he was laying on the side of the road. Yeah, that was like a big thing. I didn't cry. For like a few months.

• 17:15Bunnie XO?

  Well, I mean, that's kind of warranted. The dude fucking traumatized you, you know?

• 17:19Speaker 02

  But I loved him so much.

• 17:20Bunnie XO?

  You had a trauma bond with him.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  It's weird.

• 17:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Like he, I know he hurt me in so many ways, but like his intention was to help me and prepare me. So I know you fucked me up a lot, but I could take on anything in this world now. I have no fear.

• 17:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  And I don't say that lightly.

• 17:38Bunnie XO?

  I think it's beautiful that you look at it that way. I really do. And I understand it because I was in a severely domestic violence relationship. And it has taken me years to cut that cord with the person who hurt me the most physically and emotionally. So I totally understand. The way that you're looking at it is beautiful though, and I it's inspiring because most kids who would be in that situation would. I don't want to say feel sorry for themselves, but would internalize that and it would come out in other ways. So I think for you to be able to look at it and kind of make it into a positive is a beautiful thing.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, this, the real thing that made me flip my perspective on it was when he died. It's like he was this thing that was untouchable, like no one can hurt him, no one could touch him. I had seen him get shot. I had seen him get stabbed. I had seen him been hit by cars. I'd seen him like take on groups of fifteen people and knock them all out, didn't get touched once. Like a fucking superhero and like I had this person. It was weird. Like when I was on his side, I was untouchable.

• 18:39Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  If he was mad at me, I was fucked. Like he would kill me. So on his good side, I felt like safe and protected. Like he was showing me how bad the world was, but he was the only one that could hurt me. And then I saw how like dark the world is and what can actually happen, what people are capable of.

• 18:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  And when I lost him, I was so fucking scared.

• 19:00Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Because I was like, this person showed me how bad the world is and is no longer here to help me.

• 19:07Bunnie XO?

  To protect you.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  And I was just like, that's what made me flip it in my mind of like, now I'm sad I lost them because I'm fucking terrified.

• 19:14Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  That was like a big part of it.

• 19:17Bunnie XO?

  So take me on that journey after losing him. What you were already getting involved in stuff, illegal activities?

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:25Bunnie XO?

  Can we talk about it a little bit?

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Let's talk about it.

• 19:27Bunnie XO?

  I know you said you've hinted about it online and stuff like that, but what was Leo doing? Were you like fucking?

• 19:34Speaker 02

  So.

• 19:35Bunnie XO?

  Scarface?

• 19:36Speaker 02

  Seventeen, I started.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  I want to say escorting.

• 19:42Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  But fucking for money, basically.

• 19:44Bunnie XO?

  I love it.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  But I would never fuck anyone for money that I wouldn't fuck for free.

• 19:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? So I was like, I don't want to do no nasty shit.

• 19:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  But I started like having sex for money.

• 19:54Bunnie XO?

  How old were you?

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Started off, I was seventeen.

• 19:56Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Like I couldn't get hired anywhere. I was trying to get jobs, places, couldn't get hired. So I was like, I gotta make money.

• 20:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  So.

• 20:01Bunnie XO?

  I was an escort for in Vegas.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  I know.

• 20:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  That's what I'm comfortable talking to you about it. Cause you get it.

• 20:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I understand one hundred percent.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  I miss it. It's so fun.

• 20:09Bunnie XO?

  Listen, listen, do I not always say if I, I will suck a dick for an outfit if I have to?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Like, I'm tired of spending my own money.

• 20:18Bunnie XO?

  No, it was like, listen, when you are accustomed to a certain type of lifestyle and people just being a sugar baby, like it is really hard to acclimate to the normal world. I will fucking harvest money in my bank account, ask me, I will not spend it. Like I, it's just, it's a frame of mind that you just, unless you've lived the lifestyle, you don't really understand it.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Right. I'll get into my sugar daddy story.

• 20:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  But.

• 20:44Bunnie XO?

  So seventeen, that's, that's young because you are underage, you know, um, who introduced you to that?

• 20:50Speaker 02

  Nobody.

• 20:51Bunnie XO?

  Nobody. You just came up with it on your own or did somebody make an offer to you? Cause I know my first, the first time I ever turned a trick was I was, how old was I? Fucking? Well, technically I guess I was eighteen because my first sugar daddy hired me at my job and bought me my first car. So, but I didn't turn, it was a Honda.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 21:10Bunnie XO?

  This was back in nineteen ninety eight.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  That was when I was born.

• 21:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. No, I've lived a few lives before you, baby.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it.

• 21:19Bunnie XO?

  Um, but then my first trick I ever turned, I had met the guy in the strip club and he was Persian. And if I can, yeah, so.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 21:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Let me hear about this. So seventeen, you decided that you were going to enter the adult entertainment world.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Not really entertainment, just like the adult, like.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  I had something I knew people wanted.

• 21:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  A big dick and I was young and I was cute.

• 21:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Like that was when I finally like got my body in shape. I stopped being fat. And I was like attractive. So I was like, all right, let's try it. And I had a situation happen where it was like, I was, I was at a certain hair salon I used to go to. Like I would like be strategic. I was going to like a nice hair salon and the lady that would cut my hair would have people sit under the dryer and cut my hair, like women, like rich women would like sit in the chair. And I would get my haircut and then we would like shoot shit and talk. One time, there was a girl there, I'm not gonna say her name, fuck that bitch. But we were like shooting shit. We got along and then she like asked for my number before I left. So like we talked, we hung out one time.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  And then another time she saw me in the chair, I had on a shirt that should said like sugar mama wanted, like as a joke. Like I just like had the shirt on, oh, it's funny. And then we ended up hooking up.

• 22:33Bunnie XO?

  Was she older?

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:35Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Forty one.

• 22:36Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow. And you were seventeen? I could never, I'm forty three. I could never look at a seventeen year old and be like, mm. Like this is not, maybe twenty two, but not seventeen.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  Looked or acted my age. Like I don't act twenty five. I don't look twenty five.

• 22:48Bunnie XO?

  No, you don't. You do carry yourself very.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  So we ended up hooking up and then when I was like going to leave, she handed me 500 bucks.

• 22:57Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  And I was like, what's that for? And she was like, oh, I saw your shirt. And I was like, oh, fuck, okay.

• 23:03Bunnie XO?

  She's done this before.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  I was like, fun. So I kept seeing her like a little bit and then I was like, this could be a thing.

• 23:08Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  But then I realized like, sugar mamas are harder to find than sugar daddies. So that's when I was like, I'll start exploring sugar daddies and fucking men for money.

• 23:20Bunnie XO?

  Well, okay, so before you did that, were you still kind of like trying to, you know, squash down those feelings of being with men or had you already been with a man?

• 23:30Speaker 02

  I hadn't.

• 23:31Bunnie XO?

  You hadn't been with a man yet.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  So I, I don't know if I have or hadn't.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  I can't remember. There's too much to fill in.

• 23:40Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  We're going to, but with therapy, the whole thing with that, like I was talking to my therapist and that was the first person I talked to about the feelings I had. And like, when I was trying to speak it, my body like full fighter flight mode, like I couldn't speak. Like I couldn't speak, like I think I might be attracted to men, like I could not get it out. I was sweating. And like my body was like shutting down. It's like everything inside me was like not letting me reveal this truth. And it's like, I had to like rip it out of myself. I was like, can you just speak it out? And my therapist was like, no, you're totally fine. You're totally fine. And just like held space for me. And then I got it out. And though I am so egotistical

• 24:20Speaker 02

  and ego driven and I was bringing it up to her like I'm into guys because I like to de-masculinize them. Like I like to fuck men and like I'm attracted to men that I could like, I see all macho and tough stuff and then I get to fuck them. It's like, that is still a fetish of mine.

• 24:38Bunnie XO?

  I completely understand. I have said it a million times on my podcast. I got into escortings because I got to take men's money. I would rob them. I would tell them when they could touch me, how they could touch me. And this is because I was abused as, as a little girl. So it was me taking my power back. So for you, it was the same thing of you taking your power back.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  That for you. Is healing because I heard someone, I think it was Teal Swan. She talked about the version of healing that everybody thinks it is, is not it. Like healing is to experience the opposite. So if you had an experience where you were taken advantage of and didn't have any control over a sexual situation, to experience a sexual situation where you have all the control, that's healing. Even though people were like, oh, it's fucked up. You stole you this, you that, shut up.

• 25:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  That healed you, that experience was healing.

• 25:26Bunnie XO?

  You are my best, Elio.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  I'll fight for you.

• 25:28Bunnie XO?

  I love you.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  I'll literally kill for you.

• 25:31Bunnie XO?

  Literally same.

• 25:33Bunnie XO?

  But for you, was that the same experience? Like whenever you finally did get to be with men, was it healing for you? Because you, you were, you know, I don't wanna, I don't, I know this might be the wrong word to use, but you felt so helpless as a child because you were being, I don't wanna, you know, abused by your stepfather. Do you think that might have played a role even younger? Like you didn't have an opinion. You weren't allowed to have an opinion because of being raised in, you know, that lifestyle. So you had to be macho, you had to be manly. So do you think that maybe that in turn kind of like internalized into feelings of what you were starting to feel for other men? And about how you wanted to dominate them and stuff?

• 26:14Speaker 02

  I tried to pick it apart from every angle. I just didn't wanna have to accept that I was gay.

• 26:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  I literally was like, no, I'm not into guys. I just, I wanna look like certain guys. I'm not attracted to them. I just admire certain traits. My therapist was like, that's not typically how it goes. Like she would politely like shut down all the holes I was trying to shoot in my argument of like, I'm a faggot. Like I didn't wanna be. That was like the worst thing I could be for myself and my life.

• 26:40Bunnie XO?

  But it's, it's beautiful though.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  But I was literally like trying to nitpick it. And I was like, am I attracted to them? No, I just like to de-masculinize them.

• 26:47Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  And then I was like, you kind of are attracted to them too. Like I had to like be real with myself.

• 26:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  And I finally got to a point where I was like, all right, like I'll just like do shit in private. And like, I started like experimenting and then I started.

• 27:04Bunnie XO?

  Do you remember the first time with a man or no? Were you probably too nervous? And were you getting paid? Was your first time with a man getting paid?

• 27:15Speaker 02

  It wasn't transactional.

• 27:18Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  But I got paid.

• 27:20Bunnie XO?

  Right. Okay.

• 27:22Bunnie XO?

  So you were a sugar baby.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Basically. So that's my first like situation.

• 27:27Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  And like I was.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Okay. So like I met this guy. And this is where my whole coming out part comes. And I haven't talked about any of this.

• 27:37Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  I've talked about my piece of shit ex that I fucking hate. And this is him. But I met this guy online and he was basically like. We, he wants to hang out, but I was like, what the fuck am I gonna get? Like we were on a sugar daddy website.

• 27:53Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Let's make it clear. I'm not someone that likes gray area.

• 27:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, me either.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  I don't like to bullshit.

• 27:58Bunnie XO?

  Let's get to the point.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:59Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Like if there's a transaction, I want both ends clear.

• 28:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  So it was basically come fly to Atlanta and hang out with me for the weekend. And he was like, what would you like want to do? Like shopping wise? And I was like, I want a Louis Vuitton backpack. And it was like three K. And I was like, I'm getting a Louis Vuitton backpack. I was like, okay, so we'll hang out. And there was no sex like promise or anything like that. It was just like hang out, see where it goes.

• 28:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  And when I got there and we met, it was like. The money part was enticing and I knew I was getting a backpack, but. Feelings quickly arose.

• 28:36Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  And I was like, this is not a sugar daddy dynamic. This is not. Uh, escort dynamic. This is like weird.

• 28:46Bunnie XO?

  And when we went. Attracted to him.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. When we went to the mall.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  His behaviors made him attractive at the time. He wasn't that cute.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  It was my first time.

• 28:57Bunnie XO?

  You're talking about, so.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was my first time like getting close with a guy like that. So I was like overwhelmed like what the fuck?

• 29:03Bunnie XO?

  Able to be your true self.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:05Bunnie XO?

  And somebody wasn't judging you.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  So we ended up hanging out over the weekend. It was fun. We went to the mall. I got the backpack.

• 29:14Bunnie XO?

  I love that he loves the backpack. Even now, when you talk about the backpack, your little shoulders get going.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Like it was my first like.

• 29:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Reflection of like.

• 29:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Money. It was like value. It was weird. Cause I was raised very transactional. Like money is what's gonna make you happy. If you don't have money, you have nothing. So I was in school for nursing school at like from eighteen to twenty one. And then I graduated at twenty one and this is when I met this dude.

• 29:41Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  So we went to the mall, got the backpack, had sex that night. Because I was feeling it. Like I was like, let's fucking do it. Like we made out and it was just like, all right, let's try it.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Next day we go back to the mall and he dropped like fifteen thousand more dollars on me. Like a Cartier bracelet, a Versace comforter, like some hoodies, just like anything I wanted. We were just like running around. Like I was giving pretty women as fuck. But I was like, this is fun. But like that high of touching that type shit and like having that lifestyle. I was like, whoa. And then I saw him again and again and again. And I just kept flying to see him like every other weekend. Like I'd go home and work and then I'd go see him. And it was just back and forth. But every time we'd hang out, he was like buying me a bunch of shit. Like anything I wanted, we'd get it. And then we started traveling and doing all these things. But basically how it came to coming out.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  I was traveling to go see this man a lot.

• 30:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  And my sister knew the truth from the get go. She's the only one I told about everything.

• 30:46Bunnie XO?

  She's beautiful, by the way.

• 30:50Bunnie XO?

  She looks like she don't play, though.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Oh, she's just like me.

• 30:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you could. She has that aura of her.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, a little more like fun outgoing one. And she's like, she's fun and outgoing, but she observes first. She's like held back and just like, cool. But then as soon as you like,

• 31:09Speaker 02

  make her feel comfortable, she'll like open up. And she's just like me.

• 31:11Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  She's awesome. She's very protective, too.

• 31:14Bunnie XO?

  Is she older?

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:15Bunnie XO?

  We're talking about her like she's not here, but she's sitting right here.

• 31:19Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  So with the whole like traveling a lot, I was like, my parents were starting to be like, what the hell is going on? Like, what are you doing traveling so much?

• 31:28Bunnie XO?

  Were you still living at home?

• 31:29Speaker 02

  With my dad, yes.

• 31:30Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  I was twenty one.

• 31:32Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  And I had just finished nursing school and I was like, I had just gotten my real estate license too. So like I graduated nursing school. I had a week in between when I started my job. So I went to real estate school. And it was like, Eight AM to six PM every day for a week, like Monday through Sunday. And then you take the test, pass the course, and then you go take your test and get the thing, whatever. I got that. And I had a whole trajectory for what my life was gonna be. I was gonna move away. I was gonna do real estate. I was gonna travel nursing. And then I met this dude and it flipped everything. And my parents were kinda like, what the hell's going on like with this guy? Cause they knew it was a guy at this point. I was lying and say it was saying it was a sugar mama. And I was like, oh, I'm going to see a sugar mama.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  And they were like, my mom has never been okay with me like exchanging myself for money.

• 32:20Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  And my dad was kinda like, do what you fucking can.

• 32:24Bunnie XO?

  So this is real dad, not stepdad, right? Okay, so um, to rewind it back, you're very open with your parents then. So your parents know what you were doing with the sugar mamas and stuff. That's amazing, cause I was the same way with my dad. I was kind of, my dad groomed me, I guess, to be in the adult industry. He was like, you know, marry for money and like, you know, that's exactly how my family was too. So I think that's cool that you were able to confide in them and what you were doing.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:51Bunnie XO?

  Halfway.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  It's kinda like, me and my sister had each other through everything we were going through. And when your relationship with your parents isn't stable, we had to take care of ourselves.

• 33:00Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Like they were there to help, but it's like, we raised ourselves, we raised each other and like.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Where the fuck was I going with that? Oh, the dynamic with my dad and my mom, like telling them things, it's not like, I'm confiding in you. I'm asking for your advice. I'm asking for your help. I'm asking for your permission.

• 33:19Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  I don't ask for permission.

• 33:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  My sister doesn't either. Like I'm letting you know what I'm doing, cause you asked.

• 33:25Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Like you don't get to control my life if you didn't like participate. Like if you're not there for me, if you're not, my relationship with my parents for a while was like roommate. Well, my, with my dad, it was like roommates. So I was like, there was not really like a dad relationship.

• 33:43Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so they, it's not like they knew what was going on because they cared. They just knew what was going on because they asked.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, like they did care, but like, when parents, like my dad works all the time. And like, that's his, like he has his own business and he's always doing that. So like, you don't have time when you're running a big business to, well, big for him, like, should I have been talking about this?

• 34:08Speaker 03

  I think they cared enough until like they just as long as we weren't tarnishing their name, they didn't give a fuck. So long as we stayed out of trouble, we weren't making them look bad, they didn't give a fuck.

• 34:16Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha. How did they find out that it was a man that you were seeing?

• 34:21Speaker 02

  How? I don't remember. Did we tell them?

• 34:24Speaker 03

  It started when the court where like y'all had to falling out and it went bad. And then you had to come out and tell dad that it was a dude because you were gonna go to court.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Okay, so I only told my mom it was a guy.

• 34:38Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Because I'm very, very close with my mom now. Like she's.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  My sister, my mom are my two closest people. And

• 34:48Speaker 02

  my mom.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  I'm way more open and honest with like my dad is like a more distant.

• 34:56Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Connection emotionally. My mom is very like close emotionally.

• 34:59Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  And I was like I sat her down one day. And told her basically that I was seeing it was a sugar daddy, not a sugar mama.

• 35:12Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  And that was my first like talking to her about potentially being into guys. So it was a lot for her to take in.

• 35:20Bunnie XO?

  Did she never suspect that?

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Like everyone had suspected it, but no one like really thought.

• 35:25Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Like I was very convincing.

• 35:26Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  And I really fucked up the way that I came out to her. Because I was too ego driven, like I said, to own up to I have feelings for guys because I thought that would make me

• 35:40Speaker 02

  be disgusting. And like, that's the worst thing you can fucking be is gay. So I was like, I wanna be able to like be honest about what I'm doing, but not have to take on the shame and the embarrassment. So I was like, yeah, I'm just fucking him for money though. And my mom was like, okay, that I'm not all right with. And like her reaction was like.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  She's all for me being gay. She's very accepting. And the day that we had the conversation, I misread it. I thought she was not okay with me being gay. She was not okay with me just fucking a guy for money. She's like, you don't need to be doing this to him. Like if he's over here thinking you actually like him and you're just fucking him for money, that's not fair.

• 36:26Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  I was in a full on relationship with this person. It was not that.

• 36:29Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  I just couldn't take the ego hit. I was like, I'd rather say I'm fucking him for money. So I can live the best of both worlds. I can be in my relationship and my family doesn't think less of me. But that just shows like the dynamic in my head of like, I thought it was better to look like an escort than to be gay.

• 36:46Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Which like, not that there's wrong with either of them. I could just handle, I'm fucking him for money, not that I genuinely like him.

• 36:53Bunnie XO?

  You weren't accepting it in within yourself that you were gay yet. So it was hard for you to even put that into words.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  So I really hurt my mom in this because I cut her off.

• 37:04Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Because I thought she wasn't okay with my sexuality. She wasn't okay with what I was saying that I was doing to this guy. And we had like a big like fight about it. And then I cut her off for like three months. And we didn't talk. And then I like, as I was so emotional in my own head and trying to keep up with all these different stories, I misread what my mom was saying. And I feel so bad about that genuinely. But I, after everything calmed down, then I was further along in the relationship. I was thinking about my mom and I was like, Leo, you fucked up.

• 37:37Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  So I had to reach back out to her and like we had a conversation. And she cleared it up that she was, she's totally okay with me being gay. She's fully fucking supportive. And anyone that speaks bad of me now, she's like fist up, like gun out, like say it again. Like she's fully there for me and supports, but like, she cleared it up and was like, my problem was never that you were gay. I don't want you to ever think that.

• 38:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  My problem was that you were one. Like looking at yourself like you're something just disposable, you can just exchange for money. And two, like she's like, you're better, like you're worth more than that. And like, if you're gonna be doing it for a couple of bags and some jewelry, be doing it for a house.

• 38:19Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Like, she didn't encourage that, but she's like, don't be little yourself, like for some little shit, like. And then she was like.

• 38:25Bunnie XO?

  We love mom.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  She was like, the fact that you were doing it to him, like I had convinced her, I was like manipulating him.

• 38:33Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Like, I actually liked him and I was just using him for money. And she was like, I was not cool with that.

• 38:38Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  And she's like, I'm still not cool with it, but I am okay with you being gay. And then I came clean and was like, well, I'm actually dating him. Like I had to come out and I felt so bad. I was like, I owe my mom the truth. So even if it makes me look like shit, I'm more accepted of it in myself now. So I came clean. I was like, I'm actually dating him. And she was so excited. She's like, oh my God, I want to meet him.

• 38:58Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  And she was like, it makes me feel better that you're not just like using him.

• 39:01Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  And so like we reconnected and rekindled and we're tighter than we've ever been. So I'm very happy about that. She did meet him multiple times. I came, when I moved in to like, when I moved to Atlanta and lived with them, she came and visited. Like it was a very cool thing.

• 39:15Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  But I didn't come out to my, my dad still thought I was a sugar mama.

• 39:19Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  So I need to drink some water.

• 39:23Bunnie XO?

  Is this where it gets fucked up? Oh, God. I feel so bad. You've been through so much, dude. Like you guys have had a pretty brutal childhood, you know?

• 39:33Speaker 02

  People ask me how I am, the way that I am. And I'm like, there's nothing I haven't been through.

• 39:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  I don't say that lightly.

• 39:39Bunnie XO?

  You're a warrior.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  I don't wanna, I didn't sign up to be God's toughest fucking soldier.

• 39:46Bunnie XO?

  He hands his battle, who's hands that, what is it? He hands his hardest battles to the people who can handle it. I say the same thing. I've been through a lot of shit too. And I'm like, okay, Lord, enough. I've had fucking enough like it. But you know what? My life, as I've gotten older, has gotten smoother. So maybe it just happens in the beginning so that the rest of the ride is just home free, you know?

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. But when I die and I get to the gates of heaven, I'm swinging.

• 40:09Bunnie XO?

  Ah.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  I don't give a fuck.

• 40:12Bunnie XO?

  Why did you do that to me?

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Everything you wanted to throw at me, there's consequences. Wait till I get up there.

• 40:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  I swear to God.

• 40:19Bunnie XO?

  All right. So let's circle back to dad finding out.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Okay. So when I left my ex.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Like the most fucked up shit you can do to someone in a relationship, he did. Everything you can think of that could go wrong.

• 40:37Bunnie XO?

  What happened?

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Everything, think of something right now that could go wrong in a relationship.

• 40:43Bunnie XO?

  I mean, abuse.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:47Bunnie XO?

  He's like, yeah, that's.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Physically, emotionally, what else you got?

• 40:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't trying to kill you?

• 40:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 40:52Bunnie XO?

  He didn't try to kill you?

• 40:53Speaker 02

  That would have been easy. Oh, he actually did try to kill me because he did lie to me about having HIV.

• 40:58Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  That's something I've never said on the internet.

• 41:01Bunnie XO?

  Wow. So he had HIV. That just made my heart drop. So he had HIV and this was your first experience with a man? And he lied to you?

• 41:12Speaker 02

  I asked him before, like, I'm very paranoid about STDs.

• 41:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Always have been. And I asked him before I met up with him, I was like, you're clean, you have nothing like. He was like, yes, like, I'm clean. I'm like, fully like, nothing. And

• 41:30Speaker 02

  he never once

• 41:33Speaker 02

  tried to look out for my safety, never once told me to use a condom, never once told me to anything.

• 41:38Bunnie XO?

  That's attempted murder.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  I know. And never told me to get on prep, never like, nothing, like, never took one precaution for me to like, protect myself, like, knew what he was doing. He was forty two.

• 41:52Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Risking a twenty one year old's life.

• 41:54Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  So that was a big component, but when I left him, this you might have to cut out, but he also.

• 42:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, all right. Well, shit.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Cut that part out.

• 42:11Bunnie XO?

  Can we bleep it? We'll bleep it.

• 42:17Bunnie XO?

  Is this dude on the internet? Cause now I gotta Google.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  No. He's fucking hidden in a hole somewhere. He's so goddamn scared shitless.

• 42:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, don't protect him. If he's, this man literally jeopardized your fucking life, dude. Were you, did you get tested afterwards and all that stuff?

• 42:32Speaker 02

  I'm still negative. I'm clean. Thank fucking god. I literally was so freaked out after I found out like, I got like a weird like rash from lifting weights too hard. Like I busted like a vessel in my arm and I was like, it's the HIV. I was like, oh my god, I'm dying.

• 42:46Bunnie XO?

  But thankfully HIV is so manageable now and people can live lives with it and it's not like it was back in the fucking eighties. You know, like it's curable now almost, pretty much.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's medications to make it dormant.

• 42:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  So like I'm a nurse and I know all the background to all that, but I got on PrEP like just out of fear and every like month I was getting tested. Because it can lay dormant for six months and then just pop out.

• 43:08Bunnie XO?

  For people who don't know.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  PrEP is a medication that basically lowers your chances of contracting HIV from someone who has it. It's not gonna like take it away.

• 43:17Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  But it's better to have like a little like soldier in your bloodstream.

• 43:20Bunnie XO?

  Okay. How long were you guys together?

• 43:23Speaker 02

  Ten months.

• 43:24Bunnie XO?

  Okay. And so you guys have this awful breakup and take me on that ride.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  That I made, I had to make a fucking podcast episode about that.

• 43:34Bunnie XO?

  I need to listen to this podcast episode.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Episode sixty of my podcast, literally everything you can do to someone in a relationship happened. And then when I left, he tried to destroy me.

• 43:46Bunnie XO?

  Tell everybody your podcast name really quick.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Aware and aggravated.

• 43:49Bunnie XO?

  Aware and aggravated, episode sixty. Go listen to it right now. Okay.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, that one's a lot. And that's kind of like how I got started on social media and all that. But basically he attacked my life in every way that he could. Cause I left him. I was like, I, the money's not enough. You're not enough. You're like, I want to get the fuck away from you.

• 44:06Bunnie XO?

  So let's, I want to talk about that because I've had so many sugar daddies who were so fucking abusive. I'm talking like they think just because they spend money on you that they own you. And I don't think that's talked about a lot, a lot, you know, because we laugh about it and we're like, yeah, Venus sugar baby is awesome, blah, blah, blah. But there's also a very dark side to it too. You know, like you have to understand that you don't get all of these things for free and it's not always fucking unicorns and butterflies. Half the time, a lot of these people have like trauma that they've never dealt with, mental illness and just. Shit that they take out on you because they feel like they're paying you and you have to deal with whatever it is they fucking dish out at you.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Right. That was one of the big things is when I left, we were spending like a hundred thousand dollars a month on anything.

• 44:50Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Clothes, trips, traveling the world, Bora Bora, Paris, like anything we wanted to do, we were doing it. I was, I got access to a lifestyle I've always dreamed of.

• 45:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  And it wasn't enough. And I literally was like, I'm fucking done with you. Like, get the fuck away from me.

• 45:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Like before I kill you.

• 45:09Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Cause there, the night that I found out about the HIV thing.

• 45:12Bunnie XO?

  How did you find out?

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Um.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  Sticky story. I'm a snoopy fuck. I'm nosy. Don't trust no one. It's tattooed on my hair for a reason. Um, I like snooped and found medication and like knew what it was and I, he slipped up.

• 45:28Bunnie XO?

  I'm convinced if I was a man, I would be Leo. Literally, I'm such a violent human too. You have no idea. People don't realize that.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Best selling merch is my hoodie and t-shirt that say not above violence.

• 45:38Bunnie XO?

  I need that. I'm gonna order it.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Oh my God, I'll literally send you a whole bunch.

• 45:41Bunnie XO?

  Please do. That's a lot, dude, for somebody to, you guys have been together for 10 months and he's just now saying, yes, I risked your life. Was he remorseful or was it more like, yeah, I risked your life?

• 45:52Speaker 02

  No, and one of the worst things was he told me everything he was buying from me is because I was worth it. And I was always like, why are you spending so much money on me? Like it was at a point where like, I didn't even want shit anymore. Like after like three months, I was like, we can slow down. I'm good. I got enough shit. And he just kept pushing and pushing and more and more and would just surprise me with shit. Buy me shit, forced me to go shopping. And I was like, I didn't get it. I was like, why do you keep buying so much? Like we're together. You've got me. Like I'm not going anywhere. Like I thought it was an overcompensation. And he was like, it's because you're worth it. And I just want you to know that. When I found out about the HIV thing, he was not remorseful at all. He immediately flipped and was like, the real reason I've been buying you everything and spending so much money on you

• 46:37Speaker 02

  is because I knew I had HIV. And when you found out, he said, I knew. How guilty you'd feel to get me arrested cuz he saw my heart and he saw how much I care about people and he was like, you're not worth it.

• 46:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh my.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  And was like, I would like, I was looking out for my ass. And he's like, and now you're not gonna go to the cops about it cuz you don't call cops. And I was like, this motherfucker.

• 47:02Bunnie XO?

  Wow, I just got goosebumps. I'm like shaking like.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  But yeah, that was a mind fuck from hell. Like I felt so valuable. Cuz he was like doing all this for me and was like, I was like, finally someone sees value in me. And then to have that like flip and was like, I was doing it because I knew you'd feel bad. And you wouldn't take me to court if I spend three hundred thousand dollars on you on shit.

• 47:21Bunnie XO?

  What a fucking piece of shit. God, he doesn't have a name. You wanna drop his name? I mean, like, he is a piece of shit. Good lord.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's just what like happened in the relationship after the relationship.

• 47:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, let's get into that. So dad.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  He.

• 47:38Bunnie XO?

  We haven't gotten into how dad found out yet.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  We haven't. That's where we're getting to.

• 47:42Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Okay. So after the relationship ended, he started suing me for anything he could. Defamation of character, domestic abuse, domestic violence, all this shit.

• 47:58Bunnie XO?

  Abuse of power.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Trying to get me restraining orders against me because I have guns and I carry. And he wanted to get them taken away cuz he's fucking with me and he wants to take my way of protecting myself. I have no physical threat I'm scared of.

• 48:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  At all.

• 48:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  Like even if there's a group of hundred people and they're trying to attack me, I'm gonna stand there and fight till I die. I'm Albanian. That's how we are.

• 48:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Like I don't fear anything physically. And he was fucking with me in every way that I couldn't defend myself. So like, trying to sue me for anything he could make up, trying to get restraining orders on me, went to the Florida Board of Nursing and submitted false claims with his punk ass, one-legged fucking mom.

• 48:36Bunnie XO?

  Whoa, mom's got one leg.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  Over this bitch.

• 48:39Bunnie XO?

  Goddamn peg leg.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  They fucking went to the Florida Board of Nursing, submitted false claims over me. Why are you laughing?

• 48:47Speaker 02

  One-legged fucking bitch.

• 48:49Bunnie XO?

  Big leg Meg.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  I almost took the second one because I was pissed. They falsified claims against me, went to the Florida Board of Nursing. And they were like, he had so much money to pay attorneys to like sue people and sue shit and like get things turned in his favor.

• 49:05Bunnie XO?

  Isn't that disgusting how people can manipulate the judicial system with money?

• 49:10Speaker 02

  It just starts there.

• 49:11Bunnie XO?

  Fucking disgusting.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  So. He and his little fucking.

• 49:16Bunnie XO?

  I'm so mad. I'm like shaking.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  I'm sweating again.

• 49:18Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm pissed.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  So they went and submitted false claims to the Florida Board of Nursing. They put my license under review and they launched an investigation on me for six months, but when I moved and left him, I went from spending a hundred thousand dollars a month, never worrying about money again, to going back to making three, four K a month as a nurse. And I was like back working and that mind flip and that reality shift.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  What the fuck? You've experienced it.

• 49:45Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Like that's when you're with someone with a lot of money like that, the meaning of money and what it is doesn't matter.

• 49:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Like I was spending like three hundred bucks on a fucking Louis Vuitton keychain and buying five of them because I like them.

• 49:56Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Going back to working as a nurse and making three hundred bucks a shift for 12 hours.

• 50:00Bunnie XO?

  It made me go harder. It made me figure out like what I had to do, you know, like I was like, I'm, I want to have that feeling again, but happiness.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  On my own.

• 50:09Bunnie XO?

  On my own. Exactly.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  And now I got it.

• 50:11Bunnie XO?

  Yes. And it makes you go harder to figure out, okay, well, what can I do to fucking get there without having to fucking be abused by somebody?

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Yes. So everything going on in court is how my, I had to go to my dad. I was like, I don't know what to do. I didn't have money. Like to spend for attorneys.

• 50:27Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Cause like. They were big cases and big things. He was like bringing it up against me.

• 50:31Bunnie XO?

  That's huge. Those accusations are crazy.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I had to go to my dad. I was like, dad, I have to be honest because I need help. Like. I called him. After I'm like, when I left my ex, I was literally like driving home at like two in the morning or three in the morning because we got in a big fight. He called the cops on me. And I just peeled the fuck out and took off and drove four and a half hours back to Florida. And I called my dad and I was like, dad, can I please move back in? And he was like, of course, like, of course. That's one thing about my dad. My sexuality, we don't talk about it. We don't address it. It's don't ask, don't tell. He still asks me if I talk to girls, if I've hooked up with girls. We just avoid that topic, but my safety, he will always care about, like making sure I'm okay.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  No one's gonna do nothing like to me without him getting involved. So he was like, of course, come home, come home. And like I drove home. And he helped me unpack all my shit. He was like getting up for work at like seven AM when I was getting there. And he like helped me and I just like went to bed. He was like, just go to sleep and just wake up, eat good and we'll figure it out tomorrow. I was like, okay, so I moved back in with my dad. And then I had to come clean and I was like, it was a guy I was with and now he's suing me. For like all these things. This was a couple of days after being home, because it was like just a shit show.

• 51:48Bunnie XO?

  And your ex knew that you hadn't come out to your dad, right? So he just didn't care. He was just out to destroy you.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I came out to my dad about that. I was like, it was a guy, but I. He was like, did you care about him? And I was like, I don't know.

• 52:03Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  So I was still kind of playing that thing with my dad of like, it was just an exchange, like a monetary exchange. And my dad was like trying to help me with attorneys and shit, but literally no one like knew what to do.

• 52:16Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  So I had to represent myself in court. I started studying law and doing my shit, but. My nursing license was. Under review.

• 52:26Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  And I couldn't work as a nurse. So I started. Partying a lot. And I tried drugs for the first time. Like the weekend I drove home, that weekend, like it was like a Tuesday, that weekend. I had never smoked a cigarette. I had never done a drug. I had barely been drunk. And I did coke, molly and got shitfaced drunk in the first night. All at once. I had so much fucking fun.

• 52:56Bunnie XO?

  You were hurt though.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  No, bitch, I had a blast. I didn't give a fuck. I was in a house full of rich people and I was like, let's do this shit. So I had a blast with it. And then I started like partying very hard to like cope with my life and like everything he was doing to me. Like defaming me online, bought LeoSkeppy.com and like trashed me on it, made up all this bullshit. This is before I was online. And like ripped me, but I was just like partying and I started like. Doing more drugs. I loved coke. I had a gold acrylic pinky nail.

• 53:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh, nice.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  For like months.

• 53:30Bunnie XO?

  Love it. I used to do eight balls by myself. It was crazy. Eight balls and Xanax was my shit.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had I had the Xanax kick.

• 53:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Well, you have to weigh it out. It's like you do too much coke. It's like, I need a Xanax.

• 53:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Now I need a shot. Oh, now I'm too drunk. I need a fucking bump.

• 53:43Bunnie XO?

  Dude, it's a fucking roller coaster, man.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I got into like doing drugs and partying and then I was like picking up for my friends. When I would pick up and I would get enough for them. And then I started realizing like. I would go to a party and everybody knew I could like float the initial like thousand dollars for everything everybody wanted. To like make sure everybody got their shit. Like, nobody else was like able to, out of my closer friends, like no one was able to like front the cost to like buy it. So like I, I've always been smart with money and I like fronted it and I saw. How much money can be made there?

• 54:26Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  And I was like, here's my way out. So I started dealing drugs.

• 54:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  And I was the Molly man. And everybody knew I had the good coke and the good Molly. And I just started doing that, but I never did anything reckless with dealing drugs. I had this.

• 54:44Bunnie XO?

  Were you still using while you were dealing?

• 54:45Speaker 02

  Oh, hell yeah. That whole don't get high on your own supply. My shit was good.

• 54:49Bunnie XO?

  He was like, yes, I was getting high.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Like as I'm like packing people, I always like packed it pretty in a little Ziploc bag. I didn't do the fucking foil. I don't like that. But like I have my little nail just while I'm going to keep me going, like packing it up and.

• 55:01Bunnie XO?

  Do you still use?

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Here and there.

• 55:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, just.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  But now I'm at a point. I'm so scared to die.

• 55:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And now you can't trust. Well, that's one thing you can't come back from. You can get your ass whooped, but you know, you get a batch of bad shit and. You know, you're not coming back from that.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:21Bunnie XO?

  So.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Like I went from fully like not giving a fuck if I died, wanted to die to like now. It's so weird. People don't like to talk about this. Like now. I have an insane fear of flying. I'm scared to do certain drugs unless I know they're fucking good.

• 55:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  I'm like so paranoid of everything.

• 55:36Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my biggest fear is death. I used to be the same as you. I thought I was bulletproof. And then like the older I got, I was just like, um, I'm not immortal and I'm not. You know, bulletproof, like, anything can happen at any time, you know?

• 55:49Speaker 02

  That was the thing is like, I didn't care if I died. I wanted to die.

• 55:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  So I just lived reckless.

• 55:53Bunnie XO?

  You're happy now, though.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:55Bunnie XO?

  In a place of happiness.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  And I'm like-

• 55:56Bunnie XO?

  So now you're scared to lose it.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Achieving everything I've wanted and I'm like hitting my potential and I'm like, oh, now I'm like un- I'm like shaky as fuck. I'm like, like, I don't, it's hard to function.

• 56:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  When you have to flip like that.

• 56:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  But with selling drugs and all that, one little part of it is I never did anything reckless. I was never stupid. I would never sell to broke people.

• 56:14Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  I would sell to rich people.

• 56:15Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  And being a nurse, I made connections with like a bunch of doctors and engineers.

• 56:21Bunnie XO?

  People don't realize that doctors abuse drugs more than anybody I know. I used to have this, this client who was an emergency room fucking doctor. I've never told this story before. We were getting fucked up doing blow one night and I asked him, I was like, what is the coolest thing to you about being an emergency room doctor? And he said, looked at me, did the biggest fucking line of coke and he said, I get to play God. I was like, oh, fucking K. I still get goosebumps fucking thinking about it. I was like, I just remember I looked at him high as shit and I was like, I'm never going to the emergency room again. I was like, this is fucked up. And I've never forgot that, dude, but you know, motherfuckers in the medical field get fucked up.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  They are the biggest druggies and I love them for it. They put me in business. I made so much fucking money.

• 57:05Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  But I had a thing with like all the people that I knew, like, they invite me to the party. They genuinely wanted to hang out with me, but when I started like dealing and getting them shit, they were like, oh, fuck, come to the party, supply the party. I said, okay, minimum a thousand if I'm coming.

• 57:18Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  But you gotta buy a thousand dollars worth of shit. They'd buy three, five thousand, like they'd just have people and they were just like, oh, I need more for later. And I would just like go, show up to the party, hang out, party with everybody, get everybody their shit, make my money and then party.

• 57:31Bunnie XO?

  And then, yeah.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  It was so fun.

• 57:33Bunnie XO?

  Figured it out. Um, so rewinding real quick, when your dad found out that it was a guy, was he upset like, or was he like, okay, I've got your back. I'm gonna help you.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  He had my back and was gonna help me, but he was just like, okay, it is what it is. It happened. Like, you got money out of it. You got your shit. All right, now let's just be done with it. Fuck him.

• 57:50Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Like him was trying to help me detach from it all.

• 57:53Bunnie XO?

  Hmm, good.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  And get away from it.

• 57:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, love that. That's so fucked up that that dude put you through that, dude. Like, that's crazy. So let's keep going. You fucking are dealing drugs now. You're the life of the party. This dude's still fucking doing weird shit. Did you ever represent yourself in court?

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Three times.

• 58:09Bunnie XO?

  Okay, let me hear about that.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  I won every time.

• 58:12Bunnie XO?

  Fuck, yeah. Fuck, yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  I'm a manipulative fuck. I'm a Pisces.

• 58:18Bunnie XO?

  But you're also fighting for your life. So is that being manipulative? This person was literally coming against you online and fucking smearing your name.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:27Bunnie XO?

  All he backed you into a corner and he fucked around and found out.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  I never like beat him and that's my biggest regret in this life. Is not absolutely pummeling this punk fucking bitch into the ground.

• 58:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but that didn't happen for a reason.

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• 59:26Speaker 02

  I'm gonna get him in hell. I'm gonna get him when I go to hell. I'm that hatred is never gonna come out of me. Like that is my only regret in this life is not swinging on people sooner when I used to get bullied. I wish I would have started beating ass a lot sooner. And then not ever beating the fuck out of him.

• 59:40Bunnie XO?

  No, I get it.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  So I never like hit him, but he would like slap me and shit and I'm like, you don't know what you're fucking doing.

• 59:45Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Like if you smack me like.

• 59:47Bunnie XO?

  You're like, oh, that's cute.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  I would laugh.

• 59:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, oh, that's cute.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  So. Where are we going with that?

• 59:52Bunnie XO?

  Um, so you had to represent yourself in court three times.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  So there were things that I did and I would own up to it in court and he was like, he had a black eye one time because we were fucking. And he like reached up. And grabbed my nipples and twisted them.

• 1:00:07Bunnie XO?

  Ow.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  And like pulled them.

• 1:00:09Bunnie XO?

  Nothing about that feels good.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  And I fell onto him and like when I put my hand down to catch myself, my thumb like. I'm big as fuck. I'm 200. I was like 240 pounds at the time. Like I'm big, like me coming down on you. I was like, what the fuck? And like I put my hand down to catch myself and I hit him in the eye. And it like, the blood vessels around your eye are very sensitive. So he got a black eye. It looked like I like hit him, but I didn't.

• 1:00:34Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  He tried to come out with a story and take me to court that I hit him. And I went in court. I was like, okay, your honor, I hate to be explicit, but we were having sex. And I told her like what happened.

• 1:00:46Bunnie XO?

  I bet the judge loved you.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  The judge like, I'm very honest.

• 1:00:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Every time I fought in school, fought and had to deal with cops, dealt with this shit in court.

• 1:00:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  I'm very honest about what I'll, what I do.

• 1:00:57Bunnie XO?

  Can tell.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  I'm like, I did hit him this time. I didn't hit him that time.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Now what?

• 1:01:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  And they just like dismissed that shit because they knew it was so stupid.

• 1:01:09Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy. So did you ever have to take out anything on him? Like a restraining order, like fucking stop slandering my name online and all that shit?

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  I tried.

• 1:01:18Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  And things were avoided because he had money.

• 1:01:24Bunnie XO?

  Cause he had what?

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Money.

• 1:01:25Bunnie XO?

  Money.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Right. So.

• 1:01:29Bunnie XO?

  Well, moving on from that, what's Leo doing now? You won your court case.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  My best.

• 1:01:34Bunnie XO?

  Yay. Let's talk about it. We love an underdog story. I love this. So. You go through all this fucking shit. What happens now? Are you still dealing drugs? Are you?

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  I wish.

• 1:01:46Bunnie XO?

  Getting on.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  I have too much to lose now. I would still be in the game.

• 1:01:50Bunnie XO?

  Well, take me, take me on this journey now of Leo conquering, kicking ass.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  I love it. Okay. So I started my podcast. I started getting online. Cause like I said, he slandered me online.

• 1:02:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  So like, he had this reputation built of me of like, just this absolute piece of shit.

• 1:02:07Bunnie XO?

  An online personality?

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:08Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  He like. Basically defamed me and like made this reputation for me. And I didn't have money to fight it. And once people have a certain perception of you, you can't change it. So I had the realization like. The only way to change people's perception is to show them who I truly am. So I started getting online. I was like, I'm gonna be so myself, just genuine, straight up me. And show people my heart, my intentions, my humor, the times I am an asshole. Like, I'm just gonna show it all because it will make all those claims become so clearly invalid.

• 1:02:44Bunnie XO?

  Right. Were people believing him? Did he have a, a, a, an audience that actually believed him?

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Not really.

• 1:02:51Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  It was before I got online. So like every job I would try to apply for, things I would do and like friends, people in my life were finding it. Like you look up Leo Skepi, boom, first thing.

• 1:03:00Bunnie XO?

  Does he still own Leo Skepi?

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:02Bunnie XO?

  Okay. Do you have it? Good.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  Don't ask how I got it.

• 1:03:06Bunnie XO?

  I'm not, I'm not going to.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  I like came out of hiding, basically. Like I was like this name that was built for me can, I can just hide from it. Or I can blow it the fuck out of the water by like being bigger than that. So I just got online and started being myself and I made my podcast. And all the things that I was going through, I was like sharing how I dealt with it. Cause like therapists couldn't help me. Literally no one knew what to do to help me and I couldn't find answers. So I just started sharing all that through my podcast. And I got on TikTok and I started fucking around. People love my personality.

• 1:03:37Bunnie XO?

  When did you get on TikTok, like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one?

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Twenty twenty one, when I was going through court. I started making jokes, like I literally was in court one time. And I pulled out my phone and I was like, here I am in court. Cause my ex is fucking psychotic and like couldn't handle losing me. And everybody like it blew up and everybody was like, oh my God, he's funny as hell. So everybody was kind of invested in it. So I just like started like talking shit. Then he was trying to sue me for those videos and I was like, eat my dick. I literally told his attorney and three of them, three attorneys he hired, I told them all to eat my dick at least once.

• 1:04:08Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Um, pretty sure they would want to.

• 1:04:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  That's one thing I do is I'd be throwing around the word faggot like it's nothing.

• 1:04:16Bunnie XO?

  I love it because I came from an era where that word wasn't what it means now, you know? So like even like the R word, you know, like we used dude, the R word, that, you know? I, I can't say it because people come for me all the fucking time.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're me in a female body.

• 1:04:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, literally. But you know, people fucking they, everybody's so fucking sensitive now. And it's just crazy to me. I think it's intention. How you say the word is intention, you know, like that's how you guys should judge when people say certain words. Like, what is the intention behind it? How are they directing it? Describing yourself and like joking around. You're not like looking at somebody calling them that being rude.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Oh, I'll do that, too.

• 1:04:55Bunnie XO?

  I know you will.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  With me, like, I was bullied so bad over the word faggot. And it used to hurt me so bad. So it's like now.

• 1:05:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  I don't give a fuck.

• 1:05:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Offling it around. Whether it's derogatory or a joke.

• 1:05:06Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Well, like if someone else, I'm very protective of people. Like if someone else calls someone a faggot.

• 1:05:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Nah, it's a problem.

• 1:05:11Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  I could do it, not you.

• 1:05:12Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  Cause I know I'm not trying to hurt them.

• 1:05:14Bunnie XO?

  Exactly. Intention.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  But where were we going with the whole?

• 1:05:17Bunnie XO?

  We were talking about just how you fucking built, rose from the ashes like a goddamn phoenix, baby.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like a dragon, I'm spitting fire on these bitches.

• 1:05:27Bunnie XO?

  Just fucking coming up. So you got on TikTok and you started your podcast and then just shit just started going from there?

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I started the app Positive Focus. It's like a app for your phone that will send you positive quotes like throughout the day. Like really, there's a lot of apps that are kind of like that, but it's like bullshit. I made things that would actually flip your perspective. Cause like when I was going through a lot of like of the worst stuff, it's hard to think positive about anything. So I was like, if I could just have an app that would like send me something to think about.

• 1:05:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  I don't want to have to put effort into thinking positive. Like just prompt me on my phone and I'm fine. So I made it because I couldn't find it. And

• 1:06:02Bunnie XO?

  I love your mentality.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  I did that and I used the drug money to fund it because it was like 30K.

• 1:06:07Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I used all my hooker money to build this.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Work.

• 1:06:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you got to, baby.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  We are the same.

• 1:06:13Bunnie XO?

  Literally, no, I swear, it's scary.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  So I made that, got on social media, got on TikTok, started my podcast. And then in the past, I'd say. Three months since like February. Everything has like.

• 1:06:29Bunnie XO?

  Snowballed.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  Tripled.

• 1:06:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Like my, I gained like two million followers. Well, I gained like a million in the past month and a half. I gained like a hundred thousand on YouTube in the past month and a half. My Instagram has grown like a hundred and fifty thousand. Or like a hundred and seventy thousand in the past like month and a half. It's like. Finally, the value I'm sharing is being recognized. And I'm like, I've never doubted myself once. I'm like, these motherfuckers are just stupid. And they want to listen to Jay Shetty and Mel Robbins and all these people. Not that I don't like them.

• 1:07:01Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  But they just, there's surface level self-help.

• 1:07:04Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  I got the real shit.

• 1:07:05Bunnie XO?

  Right. Like you've been through shit. I feel like a lot of self-help people haven't been through a lot of deep shit. They just like woke up one day and were like, I just want to be a self-help guru, you know, and like they just start.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  Wake up and start your day with a lemon water.

• 1:07:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, exactly. Go sit in the sun.

• 1:07:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, for sure.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Like, they're not realistic.

• 1:07:25Bunnie XO?

  Um, so you have this app, you like, what is in store for Leo? Like, tell us, what do we have to look forward to? Like, any cool news that we can talk about?

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Actually, I do have some big news. Do you know the agency UTA?

• 1:07:39Bunnie XO?

  I don't.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Okay. They're one of the biggest agencies.

• 1:07:45Bunnie XO?

  I just signed with WME, so I know like WME, CAA.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:07:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  The past three weeks, everything's been blowing up. I've been charting on the podcast.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  All these companies have been reaching out to me. I've been having meetings out the ass. My manager and me are both like overwhelmed. I'm a one-man team and that's something people don't realize. Like, everything that I do is by myself. As of two months ago, I started working with my manager. But everything I do, produce, make film is all me. No one edits shit. I do it. I'm picky.

• 1:08:14Bunnie XO?

  Same. It's just me and Mimi. We just hired on WME in January.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  I love it. So they saw like every company is like seeing me blowing up. And everybody wants a piece of it now and they want to like help me and like help me. They see me as a fucking check. I don't forget that I'm stupid. So all these companies.

• 1:08:33Bunnie XO?

  They also probably see your worth too.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  That too.

• 1:08:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  So a lot of these companies have been like fighting for me. And I've had meetings with every agency you could think like WME, I had a meeting with them.

• 1:08:45Bunnie XO?

  I need to introduce you to my agent Sloan. You would fall in love with her and she is a fucking go getter. She is a goddamn tiger. Like she's crazy. Yeah. I'll definitely hook you guys up so you guys can chat.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Yes, I love making connections like that.

• 1:08:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, she's amazing.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  This whole world like just flew open for me and I didn't realize this much goes into it. So I just signed with UTA two days ago. So like they're fully like about to take over and like everything I want to do. I finally have a team of people who can make it happen. I don't have to be the one making all these businesses and doing all this shit. I'm sick of it.

• 1:09:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  I'm sick of it. I did.

• 1:09:24Bunnie XO?

  It's scary giving up control because I'm in that right now. I have to hire. Yeah.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  I'm under so much pressure. I'm just like.

• 1:09:30Bunnie XO?

  Me, I'm kind of like, I don't know. You know, like I just, it scares me because we've done for five years. I've, it's just been me and Mimi. So bringing all these other people in, I'm just scared because it's like, nobody sees your vision the way that you do. You know, the first fuck up, I'm like, you're out of here.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Same. I'm very cutthroat.

• 1:09:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, same.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Cause I'm a perfectionist and I don't tolerate nothing less.

• 1:09:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  But when I was growing on social media, a lot of people liked my podcast and asked me to start like, can I work with you one on one? Can you coach me? And I was like, okay, so I got my life coach certification and just started like one on one coaching people. In the past three months, I haven't had time. Like I've literally had to take a break from it to reposition everything.

• 1:10:10Bunnie XO?

  That's your feel good. Like you like.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love doing that.

• 1:10:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  But I'm at a point now, there's thousands of people trying to sign up for it. I don't have time. And I'm trying to stabilize everything with my career first and then get that back incorporated. I don't know how the hell I'm gonna do it.

• 1:10:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  But I'm gonna figure it out. But I signed with UTA and like they're the biggest. They only have like two hundred and something people. They signed Paris Hilton.

• 1:10:36Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Fucking Alexander Cooper, Emma Chamberlain, Bretman Rock. Like they sign all these big ass people.

• 1:10:41Bunnie XO?

  So Leo, you just signed with UTA and you guys are gonna just start working your asses off. Is there anything else that you wanna tell us about that's gonna happen in twenty twenty three?

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  So I'm looking at doing live events, like live podcasts.

• 1:10:55Bunnie XO?

  We should, dude, we are looking into that too. So and thinking about doing a tour and I would love to have you come on a couple.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  Oh, my god, absolutely.

• 1:11:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that would be awesome.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Did you get the pink bus?

• 1:11:05Bunnie XO?

  I, of course.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Ah, I wanna be in that one.

• 1:11:07Bunnie XO?

  Dude, you can come, come out on the road.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:11:09Bunnie XO?

  The boys would love you.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  You have one that'll fit me on six.

• 1:11:12Bunnie XO?

  Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's a big ass fucking bus.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:11:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but um, so you're thinking about doing live events?

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  Live events. I'm gonna start another segment to my podcast where I start incorporating guests.

• 1:11:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yay.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  And like influencers, celebrities and talking about deep things and unpacking shit the way that I do, which I think will be fun. Um, that, the live events thing, and then I'm in the process of creating a vitamin line.

• 1:11:40Bunnie XO?

  Oh, dope.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  And it's not the typical vitamin line. I'm very big on if you do something to damage your body, do something to help it. So I smoke, I drink, I do drugs sometimes. Like if I roll, I have a lot of vitamins that I take to like help with the come down.

• 1:11:56Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  I have a lot of vitamins I take before and after I drink. I have vitamins I take daily for my lungs.

• 1:12:01Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  So that's what the vitamin line is gonna be based around is I was gonna name it Damage Control.

• 1:12:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  That was already trademarked.

• 1:12:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  But the name is, the new name is being trademarked. I'll tell it to you off camera. I don't wanna reveal it. But like, that's a big thing I'm so excited about because no one has the platform to do it. Like, no one has the balls to release some shit like that.

• 1:12:21Bunnie XO?

  No, I love that.

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  So I'm doing it.

• 1:12:23Bunnie XO?

  I love it. I'm so proud of you. I really am. Like, and I just love seeing you shed your light on people. And just even though you have some really dark situations that have happened in your life, you have chose to spread light. You know, no matter how macho you are and egotistical or whatever, you're still just a loving human. And I think that's really fucking rad. So I'm just so happy to have had you on.

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:12:45Bunnie XO?

  Thank you so much for coming, Leo. Why don't you shout out where everybody can find you?

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Okay, TikTok is Leo Skepi. Instagram is the Leo Skepi, because some fucking rat already took my name. And then my podcast is called Aware and Aggravated. It's on YouTube, you can watch the video version, and then it's on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

• 1:13:03Bunnie XO?

  Yay, I love you so much, Leo. You are my new BFF, by the way.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Y'all heard it here first.

• 1:13:08Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  Everybody, get out of her fucking DMs.

• 1:13:10Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. Thank you, guys, for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.