#431 - Top Freediver: Something Scary Is Happening In the Oceans | Valentine Thomas

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Valentine is a world-class spear-fisher, freediving instructor & author. https://www.instagram.com/valentinethomas SPONSORS https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/zralgyl0 - Download Cash App today. https://GLD.com - Use code DANNYJONES for 40% off. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://www.instagram.com/valentinethomas *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Freediving while pregnant 03:29 - Abandoned NASA base on Acension Island 09:19 - Bull shark encounters while fishing 15:15 - Valentine’s tiger shark encounter 18:16 - Why shark populations are exploding 23:35 - The tasteless fish that is useless 30:51 - Tracking seafood with blockchain 32:57 - The truth about farmed salmon 43:11 - Most of Earth's biomass is farmed animals 51:39 - The sweaty t-shirt study 55:06 - How birth control changes your partner selection 59:13 - Overfishing in Europe vs. America 01:08:27 - Facial recognition monitoring bluefin tuna fishing 01:11:03 - Florida’s controversial fishing quota system 01:19:47 - Spearfishing around Gulf oil rigs 01:21:36 - Freediving vs. scuba 01:26:05 - Manny Puig’s handmade hunting trident 01:33:36 - The fatal Cocos Island shark attack 01:38:33 - Shark influencers are lying to you 01:48:14 - The shark attack in Egypt 01:56:02 - Valentine’s theory about environmental activism 02:03:55 - Austrailia's new social media law 02:05:42 - Fishing channels are getting in trouble 02:09:08 - Australia’s proposed algorithm opt-out 02:11:25 - Phones & dangers of EMF exposure 02:16:48 - Genetics' role in longevity 02:21:14 - Lindsay Clancy & post-partum depression 02:28:15 - How Valentine learned Spanish 02:33:16 - What recreational fishermen can help sustainability Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:07Danny Jones?

  Thank you for coming. The world's most famous spearfishing lady in the world,

• 0:13Danny Jones?

  who is now landlocked.

• 0:15Speaker 01

  Yes, tragedy.

• 0:18Danny Jones?

  We were just talking before we started this about you, you're pregnant now and you were just spearfishing off the coast of Florida. And you were saying that there's no studies on like the dangers of freediving when you're pregnant, or how deep you can go. But I had this lady on the show a couple of years ago. I don't know if you've ever heard of her, but she, she's like a well-known DNA expert where she studies like different tribes in Indonesia and Australia. And there's this group of people, this nomadic fishermen group, where they live on the water and all they do is freedive and hunt fish. And they've

• 0:58Danny Jones?

  been doing it for so long that they're actually like evolving in real time. And she measured, she did all kinds of experiments on them and like measured their spleens and like looked at their blood and like all different kinds of things. And like, one of the things she found is their spleens are like three times bigger than normal humans. And these people, they literally freedive and get in freezing cold water when they're, you know, nine months pregnant. And they go super deep, they stay down forever. And like, it's just, it's wild to see how these people are literally evolving in real time because they spend so much time under the oceans, hunting for fish and all kinds of stuff.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, the spleen thing is super interesting, actually. And it's, I've actually Googled, how can I enlarge my spleen?

• 1:47Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:49Speaker 01

  It's like, well, they're clearly, they're clearly under something.

• 1:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  But no, I didn't find anything.

• 1:54Danny Jones?

  You could find some spleen enlargement doctors.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Forget the tits. I want, I want, I want a spleen augmentation.

• 2:02Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, that's hilarious.

• 2:06Danny Jones?

  Oh man. But you, so you used to live in Florida?

• 2:09Speaker 01

  I used to live in Florida.

• 2:10Danny Jones?

  You lived in St. Pete?

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Yes. I miss Florida all day, every day.

• 2:14Danny Jones?

  And you were born here? Or no, you were born in Canada, right?

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:17Danny Jones?

  Canada, British Columbia, right? Yeah.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  No, Quebec.

• 2:19Danny Jones?

  Oh, Quebec. Okay. Right. And then you moved down here when you were pretty young? Or?

• 2:24Speaker 01

  No, I moved to the UK. So I lived in London for seven years. Then I moved to Florida.

• 2:30Danny Jones?

  Okay. Okay. And when you got to Florida, is that when you got into fishing?

• 2:34Speaker 01

  No, I got into fishing in London.

• 2:37Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  I made friends with probably the only people in London that spearfished. And they just dragged me and they forced me to try it. And I really liked it. And six years later, it became my thing, I guess.

• 2:53Danny Jones?

  What's the ocean like in London? How do you spearfish over there?

• 2:57Speaker 01

  It was bad. I was doing, I mean, it's not that bad. We were doing like the Channel Islands between the UK and France. So it's not too bad water. It's cold, but you have really big bass, so that like sea bass. So it's still kind of interesting. And yeah, it's not, but I traveled mostly.

• 3:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  For spearfishing. It was not really a UK thing. I don't like cold water. I hate cold water.

• 3:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I hate cold water as well.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  I'm retired. My seven mil wet suit is retired. If I need it, I don't want to go.

• 3:29Danny Jones?

  You were telling a story, you went to some crazy like military island or something for your, one of your first trips, one of your first dive trips?

• 3:35Speaker 01

  Yes. So it is pretty much like if somebody started running and their first time running is doing an Ironman. It's, it was a crazy island. And I got there, I got there twice, actually. And it was just gigantic fish. And it was just a very interesting experience. It was really, I got into it really quickly.

• 3:56Danny Jones?

  So you couldn't fly commercial there, though? You had to fly on a military plane?

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Yes, you have to fly in a military plane. They sell a very small amount of tickets for civilians. I guess if you want to go see your family, there's one hotel on the, on the island, and then that's it.

• 4:10Danny Jones?

  What's the name of the island again?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Ascension Island.

• 4:13Danny Jones?

  Ascen-

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Ascension.

• 4:15Danny Jones?

  Ascension Island. Okay.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Ascension like an ascension.

• 4:18Danny Jones?

  Okay. Is that near, is that near Easter Island?

• 4:24Speaker 01

  It's in the middle of the Atlantic. It's kind of a middle of nowhere. It's north of Santa Elena. So it's-

• 4:34Danny Jones?

  So you can find a map, Steve?

• 4:35Speaker 01

  It's divided by the US and the UK. So they share it.

• 4:39Danny Jones?

  So it's it?

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Uh, probably. Yes, Ascension Island, there it is.

• 4:45Danny Jones?

  There's a NASA site on that?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yes, they have a NASA thing on the top. It's abandoned. It's super freaky to visit. It was amazing.

• 4:54Danny Jones?

  What was the NASA? It was like an observatory or something?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  I've heard-

• 4:58Danny Jones?

  Punch it on it again, Steve.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  I've heard that this is where they monitor the landing of the moon.

• 5:03Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  It's a crazy-

• 5:05Danny Jones?

  Are you serious?

• 5:07Speaker 01

  Also known for its bird watching.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Just called Old NASA Site. That's funny.

• 5:13Danny Jones?

  Old NASA Site.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  It's like abandoned. There's crabs everywhere. There's like grown vines growing everywhere. It's, it's a very weird place. So the top of it is a rainforest. It's kind of constantly in a cloud.

• 5:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  And then the bottom of it is very desertic. It's not a lot of vegetation. It's a very odd place.

• 5:34Danny Jones?

  Why the hell would they monitor the moon missions from this island?

• 5:38Speaker 01

  I have zero idea.

• 5:40Danny Jones?

  That is bizarre, dude. Steve, can you find that out?

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Can you see photos of the NASA thing, maybe?

• 5:47Danny Jones?

  No, dude. Google's Street View car is not going out there. I promise you that.

• 5:54Danny Jones?

  The devil's ash pit.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  But there was some tourism. So maybe somebody posted photos of it.

• 6:00Danny Jones?

  Steve, do some like research on that NASA site. I want to find out more about that. So when you went out there, how did you guys get out to the spots? Did you guys take boats out to reefs and stuff?

• 6:12Speaker 01

  There's one guy who lives there, who I don't think he still lives there, who was taking people's spearfishing.

• 6:18Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Because they realized that, yeah, they realized in the middle of nowhere, there was gigantic tunas and big wahoos. And it was just a really, the spot got overblown after, probably the 10 years after, too many people came.

• 6:31Danny Jones?

  That's a wild way to start spearfishing, is shooting wahoo and tuna.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  It was, it was, it was a big trip. Also, that I'm, I was, I was a very, I was extremely nervous in the water. So it was my first trip. It was like, all right, let's go drop you off, freaking, and 200 feet of water at like 50 miles of shore.

• 6:52Danny Jones?

  You weren't kidding. You went full sprint. You didn't even start walking first. NASA uses Ascension Island in the mid-Atlantic ocean because its unique geographic location fills a crucial tracking and surveillance blind spot. The island's position near the equator and its remote dark skies allow specialized telescopes to monitor deep space and track orbital debris that other ground stations miss. So why don't they use it anymore?

• 7:18Speaker 02

  That's a great question.

• 7:21Danny Jones?

  We're just going to abandon it after the Apollo missions?

• 7:23Speaker 02

  It's closed.

• 7:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  I mean, it makes sense. There's a giant ocean in the middle of the way.

• 7:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, of course. But like, all of the biggest telescopes are in different areas. The original Apollo-era NASA ground tracking station on Ascension Island closed in November 1989, long ass time ago, because it was made obsolete by newer satellite technology. So now they use satellites. Yeah, but still, if that's in like the most ideal spot to get images of the sky, why not have an observatory there?

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Maybe it's a pain in the ass to ship everything to that tiny little island.

• 7:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, maybe, right?

• 7:58Speaker 02

  I mean, it's like thousands of miles.

• 8:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  The boat is gonna take a while to get there.

• 8:02Danny Jones?

  That's true. Yeah, I can see how you got hooked on it, doing, you know, jumping into crazy remote areas like that, into the blue water and shooting tuna, wahoo.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  I got shit scared.

• 8:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  I wouldn't say I was like, it was a lot of first sight.

• 8:18Danny Jones?

  Why were you scared? Because you weren't, you weren't adapted to it yet. That's why you were scared. You were, you were kind of like a fish out of water.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  It's something, it's, you can, I, there's things that scares me that a lot of people wouldn't be scared about it because they're used to it. But now being surrounded by 20 sharks doesn't scare me because I've done this so many times. So I don't care. No.

• 8:35Danny Jones?

  No.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  But when the tourism started, when the spearfishing tourism starts picking up, sharks started showing up. Now, suddenly, people were going there and they were showing photos and videos of them surrounded by hundreds of sharks. I went twice and haven't seen a single shark.

• 8:51Danny Jones?

  Bands will make them dance.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 8:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's getting crazy. It's getting out of control here in Florida.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 8:59Danny Jones?

  It's uh, now you just have spear guys that go out there and um, the giant bull sharks are there within minutes as soon as they jump in the water and they just go out and shoot those kobia right off the back of these giant bull sharks. It's insane.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Especially in a shallow water. If you see a boat already in the spot, there's gonna be sharks for sure.

• 9:19Danny Jones?

  Have you, have you, have you, have you ever done that? Like shooting kobia off of giant bull sharks and tiger sharks like those guys do?

• 9:25Speaker 01

  I've, I've done it two days ago.

• 9:26Danny Jones?

  You did? Really? You were shooting off the back of bull sharks?

• 9:29Speaker 01

  I, I saw this nice kobia and then there was a bull shark next to it. Then I was like, I haven't shot a kobia in a while. I was like,

• 9:39Danny Jones?

  You're a psycho.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  There was, my friends were a little bit not too happy because the shark followed us.

• 9:46Danny Jones?

  Pregnant ladies chasing the bull sharks.

• 9:50Danny Jones?

  The pregnant lady's chasing the bull sharks again. Get her ass back to the boat.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  But funny enough, like all the shark, all the spots we were going to about a mile from each other and the kobia was, were with three big bull sharks and they followed the boat everywhere we went.

• 10:04Danny Jones?

  The sharks did?

• 10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the three same sharks followed us to the next, I think, three or four spots.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  With their kobias at least.

• 10:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. But then they, sometimes they turn around and they come back and check you out and they want their fish back. You know, what do you do then?

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Well, we got out of water. They, they chased us out of, they chased us out of the water.

• 10:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 10:26Danny Jones?

  I gotta show you this video. You've probably seen this actually. I'm gonna, Steve, I'm gonna send you this video real quick. I'm sure Valentine's already seen this video, so it's probably not gonna be new to her, but this would be great for the viewers to see. This is um, this is basically what these people are doing right here. Like these people have no fear and they're obviously not afraid of dying. Basically what this guy's doing is he's like, probably 50 yards away from his boat. And he shoots a, I forget what kind of fish it was. He shot something off the back of a giant tiger shark. And then the tiger shark circled around on him. He jumped, he goes to the surface and he's screaming to his buddy like, pull the anchor.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the closest I've been to getting eaten by a tiger shark was here.

• 11:16Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Actually in the Tampa area, yeah.

• 11:18Danny Jones?

  Oh God. Knock on wood. I've never seen a tiger shark around here.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  It's their spots. They're very um, they live in a spot, not as migratory to other. So like we say, oh, let's go to this spot. And then we know this is where the tiger shark is, which has just been a lookout because there's a tiger shark living.

• 11:36Danny Jones?

  Isn't there a, like a crazy pier in South Florida where there's all these tiger sharks?

• 11:42Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 11:43Danny Jones?

  There's like this, there's like these videos, these dudes drop GoPros underneath this pier, somewhere down south near Venice, I wanna say. And there's just dozens and dozens of tiger sharks swarming this pier.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Venice, Florida? Uh, Venice, uh?

• 11:56Danny Jones?

  Venice, Florida. Venice, Florida. Yeah. Um,

• 12:01Danny Jones?

  can't remember. You'd have to look it up, Steve.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Panhandle?

• 12:03Danny Jones?

  No, Venice, down south of here. I can't find this fricking video. I'm so pissed.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  I mean, hey, you know what they say. You know what to figure out if there's shark where you're going.

• 12:15Danny Jones?

  Here it is. I found the video. Sorry about that. Steve, I just sent you two videos. Play both of these.

• 12:24Danny Jones?

  So where, where did you, where exactly were you when you saw the tiger shark?

• 12:28Speaker 01

  I was diving off uh, Hudson.

• 12:31Danny Jones?

  Hudson?

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, a little bit north.

• 12:33Danny Jones?

  Okay. How far offshore?

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Not far because I was in about 15 feet of water.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  This is the first video.

• 12:41Danny Jones?

  That's the first video.

• 12:45Danny Jones?

  Okay, look at this. What's going on here? He's yelling at the boat.

• 12:52Danny Jones?

  What are these bull sharks?

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:55Danny Jones?

  This is probably on the East Coast.

• 12:58Danny Jones?

  Saying shark, shark, shark, shark, shark. Okay, go to the second video. The second video's.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  That's a tiger. No, wait.

• 13:05Danny Jones?

  That's a bull shark.

• 13:08Danny Jones?

  You find the second, oh, there you go. Watch this. Look at this tiger's, big fat tiger shoots this kobia. Oh, whoa, what happened?

• 13:17Danny Jones?

  Shoots the kobia.

• 13:22Danny Jones?

  He's yelling, help, pull the anchor. And look, the tiger's coming back sniffing the kobia.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  And he's like, ooh.

• 13:36Danny Jones?

  He takes the kobia.

• 13:39Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 13:41Danny Jones?

  No, that's nowhere near here.

• 13:49Danny Jones?

  That's probably a 15 foot tiger shark. Why? Why? There's no, it's not necessary.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  It's also very shallow water.

• 13:58Danny Jones?

  It's not worth the kobia.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  I have a thing, yeah, no. I have a thing with tiger sharks in a shallow water and nah.

• 14:04Danny Jones?

  No.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  No, thanks.

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• 15:18Speaker 01

  Oof, it was

• 15:22Speaker 01

  probably eight years ago. It was very, we were just a bunch of friends and we were in 15 feet of water. Everybody was experienced. So everybody was kind of like doing their own thing, which you know.

• 15:32Danny Jones?

  What was the visibility?

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Good, great vis.

• 15:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  It was fine. I shot a little hogfish and it was kind of far from the boat, so I clipped it to my gun. And then I was like, let me just go back to the boat and I'm reloading and then that way I can like, fish if I see something on the way back. And then this baby shark, uh, baby tiger shark, when I say baby, it's like five foot maybe.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Five, six foot. And then he started just circling me, circling me, circling me. And then he rolled his eyes back, you know, and started like protecting its membrane. And he started charging and charging and charging and charging.

• 16:07Danny Jones?

  Did you have fish on you?

• 16:09Speaker 01

  I have a fish in my gun, clipped to my gun, but I have a 90. So I'm like, I'm trying to push it away and I'm trying to aim for like the eyes, the gills, everything that could possibly hurt. And I'm, actually I've never shot a shark.

• 16:24Danny Jones?

  Never?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  No. So I was just wondering, why, why would I shoot it that it was gonna hurt enough that he's not gonna start to eat me?

• 16:31Danny Jones?

  You wouldn't wanna shoot it because then you would no longer have your spear.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Exactly. But if he's trying to eat me, I'm not winning either. So it's a very big, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a tough game to play.

• 16:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  Because it's like, at what point do you try to kill it? If he's trying to, I know a lot of people are thinking, oh, but you're in a shark's habitat. Doesn't mean I'm gonna let a tiger shark eat me.

• 16:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  That's just not happening.

• 16:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  And people that say that, I'm sorry, but if your mom is swimming, is swimming on the beach and a tiger shark comes, your reaction is not gonna be like, well, I guess it's fair enough because she's just swimming in a shark's habitat. No, you won't. You're gonna be like, oh my God, fuck the shark. Like,

• 17:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  my mom needs to survive.

• 17:13Danny Jones?

  Right, 100%.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  Anyways.

• 17:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Little sidetracked. Um, but yeah, and then my friend arrived and then by the time we were two, this tiger shark started losing confidence and he did a couple of circles and he left.

• 17:25Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow. Yeah, that's uh, that's crazy. I've never.

• 17:30Danny Jones?

  Seen tiger shark diving or spearfishing before. I think that, I think probably the, I've seen, I've seen bull sharks before. Never like checking me out, never getting close to me. If that, if that happened, I would be walking on water. I promise you that.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Well, don't do that. Don't turn your back to the shark.

• 17:52Danny Jones?

  No interest. I have no interest in chasing sharks just to catch Kobe. I mean, it's just, it's insane and um.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  I mean, sometimes it's just, they just, they just pop up, let's say for four in the same spot. And then my friend shoots a fish over there and then my friend shoots a fish over there and they're attracted and then they come and then sometime. They're just gonna follow you to the surface and then it's gonna.

• 18:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And also, you know. The fish, I don't know what's going on with the fish populations in Florida. But I, I, I believe the last time I checked, it's like the, over since the eighties, the, the populations have been diminishing. And sharks are becoming more accustomed to spear fishermen. And those two things combined are bringing them closer in to shore. They're making them more accustomed to chasing spear fishermen around and trying to, because they want, they want an easy meal, right? So I think the combination of those two and commercial shark fishing.

• 18:56Danny Jones?

  There was a new law that I think banned commercial shark fishing. Now it's only recreational, so you can catch like one shark per boat as long as it's the right species.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  I think Alabama is the only spot that you can still do that commercially now.

• 19:08Danny Jones?

  I think before the seventies, commercial shark fishing was a thing. And then since they banned that, the shark population has kind of exploded here.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Yes, I mean, nobody knows what the real reason is because of course we can't ask them.

• 19:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  But if there's more fishermen in the water, which means like you said, there's more attracted to things and then there's less fish. Is that because, why are they getting more aggressive?

• 19:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  It's probably a mix of everything. There's not a lot of shark fishing tourism here. How do you add?

• 19:38Danny Jones?

  I said, how would you even track that? Like, how would you know? I mean, obviously you can tag big sharks, right? Like, but how do you track the fishing, like the fish population? I don't, I don't understand how they do that.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  I don't know either. Noah is definitely very cautious under assessment. And it's pissing off a lot of people. I think it's kind of a good thing. I'd rather be cautious and like a group of season is very short. And now they're everywhere. So I, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. And I understand how it's frustrating for recreational fishermen because you, that's what you enjoy to do, but it's at some point. If everybody gets their hand in the cookie jar, there're gonna be no cookie left.

• 20:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but it's like, at what point do you let, you bring back some shark fishing? You know what I mean? Like allow spear fishermen to shoot sharks. Maybe have like some commercial shark fishing within reason, you know, as long as it's not just chopping the fins off and discarding the body and wasting it, you know? Cause there's, people eat shark meat. There's lots of things you can do with the body of the shark and the organs and the bones and, you know? I'm sure they can figure out a way to make money off that.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  For sure. I mean, there's so many factors. Whenever you think about the water temperature, you're thinking about the, the, the, the cycle of global warming, whatever. You think is the cause of global warming doesn't even matter when it comes to this thing because it's, it doesn't matter that like it's, it is warming up. Is this why there's more sharks? Is that like this, there's so many factors out there that it's hard to be like, it's the fishermen's fault. Oh, it's global warming fault or it's the lack of commercial fishing for sharks fault. It's probably a mix of everything.

• 21:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  And it's just, I think it's gonna be extremely hard to pinpoint the exact reason for it.

• 21:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's very complicated. There's so many, there's so many factors that contribute to the populations of these species and where they go, where they migrate, their behavior, all that stuff. But it's, you know. All of the animals in the ocean from the whales, the birds, the insects, the sharks. All that stuff is like the machinery and the life support system of the earth. Like the earth is this spaceship hurling through the Milky Way galaxy. And what's keeping the environment here and the oxygen here and the whole balance of

• 22:03Danny Jones?

  the life support system that is the earth is those animals. And the funny, the interesting thing about that to me is those animals don't need humans. If humans were gone tomorrow, the earth would be fine. The, the, the earth would sustain itself. But if all those animals were gone tomorrow.

• 22:25Danny Jones?

  The life support system would collapse.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:28Danny Jones?

  And so, so they don't need us. We need them to survive. And it's like, some people will say, oh, wow, you think the value of a whale life is more important than the value of a human life? No, that's not what I'm saying. Uh, I'm saying that, you know, we are like this alien species here. And we don't fit into the ecosystem that allows this, the earth to live. And allows like the living conditions for us to survive. And all that stuff from the phytoplankton and, you know, how that contributes to the CO2 and the oxygen and the, and the water and the temperature. And it's like this crazy delicate system. And, and all of those animals from the insects to the whales, they are, they're like the engineers that keep this thing alive.

• 23:13Danny Jones?

  It's an interesting thing. What's that?

• 23:15Speaker 01

  We have no purpose.

• 23:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, we figure out.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Is it the wasps that have no purpose too?

• 23:21Danny Jones?

  The wasps?

• 23:22Speaker 01

  I think there's like, there's one insect that has zero purpose. It's one of them. Yeah, there's, there's, it's like.

• 23:28Danny Jones?

  Huh. I wonder which one that is. Probably mosquitoes.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  I could definitely live without those.

• 23:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What is that fish that's like absolutely pointless? There's a fish that like nobody, that's, it's tasteless. It's a deep sea fish called like a padd, is it maybe a paddock? Is that right? There's this tasteless fish where it's like, oh, it's like a cold water white fish. And what they, what they started doing with it was um, taking the meat and spraying it with this chemical scent. And then doing this white or this red strip dye, stripe of dye on it. And they started selling it as crab.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Oh, pollock.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Pollock.

• 24:11Danny Jones?

  Pollock.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:12Danny Jones?

  That's what it is.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 24:14Danny Jones?

  So there's this, this useless fish that we figured out how to monetize because it tastes like shit or it doesn't taste like anything. And now they sell that as crab. So when you go to this, when you go to a sushi restaurant and you get a California roll and it has that crab stick in there, that's pol, that's pollock.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  It's not real crab.

• 24:29Danny Jones?

  No, it's a fish. It's literally a fish.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  They sell pollock fillets now.

• 24:34Danny Jones?

  Do they really?

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, they sell them at.

• 24:36Danny Jones?

  Have you ever had it?

• 24:37Speaker 01

  That's what a, um, a McFish fillet is at McDonald's is pollock too.

• 24:41Danny Jones?

  It's pollock?

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 24:42Danny Jones?

  No shit. I had no idea.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  It's used for vast markets like McDonald's and things like that. Yeah.

• 24:50Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Now they're trying.

• 24:52Danny Jones?

  They did tilapia for that kind of stuff.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  No. So now the pollock industry, uh, it's got in Alaska.

• 24:59Danny Jones?

  It's called Serini, right?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yes, Serini.

• 25:01Danny Jones?

  Serini. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  And they're finding use to it because it's a very sustainable fish to catch. I mean, Alaska people will disagree on that. Um, but yeah, they use it for mass consumption.

• 25:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then the, uh, the Antarctic Patagonian toothfish. You know what that fish?

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Chilean sea bass.

• 25:23Danny Jones?

  Sea bass, AKA Chilean sea bass.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Yes. The most expensive fish at the grocery store.

• 25:29Danny Jones?

  Crazy, that story. So there's the, it's a deep water cold fish. It's off Patagonia. And it's got a goofy name. So they renamed it Chilean sea bass. It's not a bass and it's not from Chile. But that name is like a marketing term to add value and to get people to buy it.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  I mean, it's pretty good. It's probably one of the best fish to eat.

• 25:53Danny Jones?

  It melts in your mouth. It's amazing.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 25:56Danny Jones?

  But I would be happy with it being called a Patagonian long tooth fish, but. And it's, it's just like the, um, you know, it's the same story with the spider crab. They renamed the spider crab in this, in the fifties to uh, Alaskan king crab.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Oh, that does sounds better.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  I mean, even a grocery store right now, they're selling.

• 26:16Danny Jones?

  You wanna eat a spider crab or an Alaskan king crab?

• 26:19Speaker 01

  They did the reverse on a fish called, uh, so sable fish. It can be sold as sable fish or it can also be sold as black cod.

• 26:28Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 26:29Speaker 01

  It's cheap. It's probably like thirteen dollars a pound maybe at a grocery store. It tastes very similar to uh, Chilean sea bass. It's awesome. It's just, it's one of the best fish you can buy there for the price.

• 26:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  And it's sustainable and I don't know why they, maybe they do it sable fish so people buy it less. I don't know.

• 26:52Danny Jones?

  That's crazy. You know.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, for the grocery store, that's, that's if you, and you see sable fish, grab it. That's cheap. It's awesome. It's so.

• 27:00Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:02Danny Jones?

  There's lots of controversies in the seafood industry.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yes, it's definitely not a black and white industry.

• 27:11Danny Jones?

  No. It's, the problem is just greed. Greed and politics.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:17Danny Jones?

  Gets into the seafood industry.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  The bigger problem gets when you get outside of uh, developed countries. So when you go in third world countries and you have extremely serious problems such as modern slavery and like literal kidnapping and murder and crazy stuff happening on boats.

• 27:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's next level.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 27:40Danny Jones?

  Just lawlessness. You know, there's like, um, I'm sure you're familiar with that, that thunder ship, that big pirate ship. That Paul Watson was chasing for like a hundred days. And um, he was chasing them and they were, they were uh, running from Paul and he was like with.

• 27:59Danny Jones?

  Pull like documenting the whole thing. And at one point, they just dropped their net, which was like a seventy something kilometer net that weighed fucking fifty tons. They dropped it in the ocean and they tried to rescue it and it took them like, I want to say like two or three weeks to get that net out of the ocean. And it's all monofilament plastic like, and the amount of those trawler, those super trawlers that dragged those giant nets all around the ocean are crazy. And then finally, when they got it like, I don't know, a hundred miles off the west coast of Africa, they tried to sink their own ship to destroy the evidence. Oh, they did sink it. No, but what happened was Paul boarded the ship while it was sinking

• 28:44Danny Jones?

  and they ripped all the computers and the documentation off the ship. And they ended up having to save the fucking crew of the ship.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 28:52Danny Jones?

  They were all in the ocean, like swimming and Paul had to save them all. And what he was telling me is that out of all of the seafood that is sold around the world in five star restaurants, forty five percent of that seafood that you buy is caught illegally by boats like this.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  I don't know the numbers. I know that worldwide is about twenty percent.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  The sea is so vast, nobody's going to be able to monitor that, not right now anyways. With satellites, they are working on solutions for those problems, but who's going to spend the money?

• 29:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we got bigger things to spend money on.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's nobody.

• 29:32Danny Jones?

  Bomb some countries.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Exactly.

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• 30:51Speaker 01

  There is a lot of issues and I actually have a friend who's working on something that's really interesting. It's to use the blockchain to trace every type of seafood. So then that way it's you cannot modify it and you know exactly where the seafood was caught. You know that the temperature changed so that the part that I found fascinating. So basically you know that during its entire transportation, it always kept between, shit, I'm Canadian, between thirty two and whatever if it's fresh fish and then frozen. So it really, it's good for food safety. It's good for pregnant people. It's good for. So it's, yeah.

• 31:32Danny Jones?

  How so? How do they use the blockchain to track it?

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Every step has to be.

• 31:38Danny Jones?

  Documented?

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Documented on the blockchain. You caught it, you put in a blockchain in the system. And all of a sudden, there's no illegal fishing.

• 31:46Danny Jones?

  That's interesting.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Because a lot of people even still to this day in Florida, it's you go to a restaurant, you're like, what's this? You're like snapper. I'm like, no.

• 31:53Danny Jones?

  So you gotta teach fishermen how to use the blockchain?

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Yes. Which they do. They're not bad, actually.

• 31:59Danny Jones?

  Really? I don't understand that stuff.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Interested because it makes their.

• 32:03Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow. This is not, is this it?

• 32:06Speaker 01

  That's not the one my friend is doing, but that's.

• 32:08Danny Jones?

  It's what popped up. This is a different one.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Same thing.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  There are.

• 32:11Danny Jones?

  That's a crazy video clip. All those, is that AI or is that real?

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Uh, that could be a tuna farm in Europe.

• 32:18Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 32:21Speaker 01

  That's probably.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Guess we can't watch the video.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  That is yellowfin.

• 32:25Danny Jones?

  They have like tuna farms like this out in the middle of the ocean. With like, oh yeah, you can see the net on the right. Look at that. You can see a net on the right.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Then, yeah.

• 32:39Danny Jones?

  So they have like giant offshore areas, netted areas where they keep things like tuna and even salmon. Right?

• 32:47Speaker 01

  I mean tuna is a migratory fish, so the tuna farming is not going too, too well.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  It's not a species that needs to be farmed. Salmon, the problem is the demand is so high. It's.

• 33:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  There's a lot of misconceptions.

• 33:05Danny Jones?

  Great PR.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  It does, but there's, it also has terrible PR. Now everybody thinks that, oh my God.

• 33:11Danny Jones?

  Normies, normies for people that aren't.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but farmed salmon is not all terrible. I eat farmed salmon.

• 33:18Danny Jones?

  You don't think it's terrible?

• 33:19Speaker 01

  I think it tastes better than wild salmon.

• 33:21Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 33:22Speaker 01

  I like my fish fatty, so.

• 33:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's true. But I wonder what the nutrient different would like the difference in the different types of nutrients.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Looked at it and it wasn't that different.

• 33:30Danny Jones?

  Don't they pump that farmed salmon up with a bunch of antibiotics and stuff like that and hormones and?

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Not really. I mean, antibiotic stays in the body, same thing as a human. It only stays for a certain amount of days. So even when you buy antibiotic free meat, it means that within the week it was sold, there was not given antibiotics.

• 33:49Danny Jones?

  So I heard that the, all the farmed salmon, because of the stuff they feed it, they have to feed it this,

• 33:56Danny Jones?

  they basically, they catch this krill off like South America. And then a lot of that krill is chopped, is churned up into this concoction that they feed the salmon, the salmon farms. And then because of the salmon are living in such close quarters, they have to inject them with all kinds of antibiotics. And then after they cut up the salmon and harvest meat, they have to dip it in some sort of chemical concoction to get rid of all the sea lice. And then after they dip it in the chemicals, they're not allowed to, it's not allowed to be consumed for eight months after that to, so it's safe.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  So in the US, they don't do that. I can't speak for Asia, probably.

• 34:35Danny Jones?

  Right. Okay.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  It's something that I would not be surprised if them doing. And the US, it doesn't work like that. First of all, in the US, when you do farm salmon, it's extremely regulated, extremely. The Marine Corps is monitoring that and they're not part of my friends.

• 34:52Danny Jones?

  The Marine Corps?

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they don't fuck around. And it's, they test the water, it's everything. Like you don't put chemicals in the water with the Marine Corps looking around.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  The sea lice, what they do in Maine anyways, what I know that they do is that they, they put the fish one by one in like a power wash, like you were washing a car and it takes the sea lice off. That's what they do for sea lice in the US.

• 35:18Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  So it's not chemicals or anything like that. When they are diseases, I know they treat them, but everything is, I mean, again, I don't, I'm not into, we're not going to talk about the reliability of D F D A, but everything is FDA approved. And when it comes to.

• 35:39Danny Jones?

  This is what AI says. Yes, farmed salmon are frequently subjected to bath treatments to kill or detach sea lice through a process. Though the process is a bit more industrial than simply dipping them because open net ocean pens pack thousands of fish together and they create the perfect breeding ground for sea lice.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, Canada sucks with fishery. They're not, Canada is not good.

• 36:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, British Columbia, Chile, Tasmania.

• 36:06Danny Jones?

  Okay, commonly used chemicals is hydrogen peroxide, one of the most widely used bath treatments. It temporarily paralyzes and weakens the lice, so they drop off the fish. It is favored by some because it breaks down safely into water and oxygen. Often pesticides or this other thing it says is pesticides and insecticides. Harder chemicals such as azamethothenos and delto methrin and, oh God, cypermethrin are neurotoxins designed to kill the lice.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  I mean, the first link looks good. I don't know what livingoceans.org is.

• 36:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Salmon, the global salmon initiative, that's the other thing with this AI. It's just picking sites that could be. You know, super biased or

• 36:55Speaker 01

  There's a lot of stuff about salmon out there. A lot of it is negatives. It's really hard to find. I mean, I visited a farm. I visited a couple of farms and they were in the US and they were not doing that.

• 37:05Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 37:06Speaker 01

  And they did not pay me.

• 37:07Danny Jones?

  Where were those farms at?

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Uh, Maine.

• 37:10Danny Jones?

  In Maine.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Oh, it does say that there's a shift towards non-chemical methods right here at the bottom.

• 37:15Danny Jones?

  What does it say, Steve?

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Uh, because, uh, sea lice are rapidly evolving resistance to the drugs and due to consumer concerns over pesticide use, the global salmon industry has been actively shifting towards a mechanical and natural alternative.

• 37:28Danny Jones?

  Natural alternative. This, they call them salmon car washes, pumping fish through tubes where low pressure water sprays, uh, physically to knock the lice off.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 37:40Danny Jones?

  That's the craziest thing is that like we have to industrialize harvesting animals to survive. Because we have such a huge population of humans on this earth.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  I mean, also, also it's when you're landlocked and you need omega three, I guess it's you kind of have to find a way to, uh, does people to have access to fish.

• 38:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  And salmon seems to be the

• 38:04Danny Jones?

  Go to the beach, motherfucker. You want some fish? Better get in the car.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  But the, the, they're doing the same thing with, uh, the feed too. It's, it's evolving. It's not all, they a lot of, there are a lot of terrible practices out there. They one gazillion percent of them are, but it also have some of them that are gaining much better and better.

• 38:24Danny Jones?

  Well, Alaska banned salmon farming.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Yes. Alaska is very opinionated on their, on their seafood. I mean, they have one of the, they have, they have treasures there when it comes to seafood. So it's normal that they're being very protective of it. So it's, I'm not saying essentially it's not a bad thing, but yeah, they have very, very strong opinions about a lot of things.

• 38:53Danny Jones?

  Why do you think that is?

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Because the states rely so much of it. So many people's livelihood rely on this. So they're doing everything they can to protect it as they should.

• 39:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  It's not a bad thing.

• 39:04Danny Jones?

  Because if you have the best salmon on earth and everyone else is trying to copy you and basically commoditize your treasure, your natural treasure that you have, of course you're gonna, you're gonna speak up about that.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  I think that if you buy wild salmon, I think the only place that it could come from is actually Alaska. I don't think you can buy, in the US, you cannot buy salmon, wild salmon that's coming from anywhere else.

• 39:31Danny Jones?

  Right. The only wild salmon would be in, from Alaska.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  I would, yeah.

• 39:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  I would defeat, you know, it's like sort of krill and everything, like a lot of, there's a lot of overfishing in, um, in West Africa. That's been a really big problem. A lot of, uh, developed countries are exporting a lot of those countries over there. Big problems with corruptions and sustainability and, uh, does have human stuff issues too, but, um, yeah, they're getting, but they're trying to find solution. The insect was a dead end. That was promising, but didn't work out.

• 40:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  And now they're really onto, um, meat scraps from like chicken factories. And they use a lot of seed oils.

• 40:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Which I don't know, wherever, wherever you stand on that, it's your thing, but it's, it's not. Yeah. I'm fine with eating false salmon, to be fair.

• 40:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the krill thing is crazy because I think they're, the, the krill fisheries are allowed to get like six hundred or they're, they have been limiting out around six hundred fifty thousand pounds of krill per year, right? And they do a kind of like derby fishing where they basically catch, they, they go balls to the wall until they run out of quota. And then they have to stop. And I heard recently, I think, um, I think I heard recently that they upped that to one point two million pounds per year. Cause they kept hitting that two hundred fifty thousand limit or that six hundred fifty thousand limit. And, you know, the argument against the krill fishing is that it takes away from

• 41:04Danny Jones?

  the other sea life, like the sea lions down there and, and all the other fish that use that krill and like the, the offspring that rely on krill to, to feed off of. So it takes away from that local, um, ecosystem. And they use that krill to bring into salmon farms. They use it for pet food. Uh, they use it for like omega three supplements and stuff like that. Um, a lot, a lot of factory farmed animals. They, they feed like pigs. I heard they're feeding that krill to, after they mash it all up and create whatever kind of paste they feed to the animals, they give it to pigs and chickens. A lot.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  I mean, also one of the big problem with krill is that it's expensive.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  It's not a cheap product. I think, and I got, I don't know about pigs, but I think in salmon right now, the feed is probably maybe about like fifteen percent.

• 41:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  They still use it, but they try to replace it because it's, it's expensive. But the krill is what is giving its salmon its color.

• 42:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  So then they give, uh, it's a very long chemical name and I keep forgetting about it. It's, that's, it's naturally not bad for you, the color. I don't think that they do it. What's the name? It's, um,

• 42:16Danny Jones?

  It's a type of, uh, dye, you said?

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a type of dye that they use, that they put in salmon feed to give it its color. But it's not, it's, it's not toxic for human.

• 42:25Danny Jones?

  It's not?

• 42:25Speaker 01

  No, it's not. It's, you would think it is, but it's actually not. I'm sure you can.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, it's some chemical name, astaxanthin.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, astaxanthin.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Astaxanthin.

• 42:37Danny Jones?

  Astaxanthin, astaxanthin.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  It gives the color to shrimp, flamingos.

• 42:44Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Flamingos.

• 42:47Danny Jones?

  So what does that say? Naturally occurring, uh, car, carotinoid pigment that gives wild salmon shrimp and flamingos their pink color. That's bonkers. It gives, it makes flamingos feathers pink.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  That's, that's a ton of

• 43:05Danny Jones?

  It's pretty, that's pretty insane, right?

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 43:09Danny Jones?

  Huh. So I also heard all of the, all of the, out of all the biomass that exists on the planet, like all the animals, the biological mass. Ninety-five percent of it is farmed animals.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would make sense.

• 43:28Danny Jones?

  And that, I think that includes humans. So humans and farmed animals is ninety-five percent of the biomass. And five percent of the biomass on earth is wild animals.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 43:39Danny Jones?

  Crazy as that.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  We're a lot of people.

• 43:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  We're a lot of people to feed. It's, I think that it's, it's, when you're talking about vegan diets and sustainable diets and things like that, I think it's definitely, it's hard not to see it from a, from a, a point of view, from a privileged point of view.

• 44:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  To eat sustainable and to eat, uh, uh, to eat well and to eat a lot of protein, you need to have money.

• 44:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  It's not cheap.

• 44:13Danny Jones?

  Spear gun.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Or a boat or a spear gun. No, better. Friends with boats and spear guns.

• 44:17Danny Jones?

  A friend with a boat. Yeah, exactly. You only need a kayak.

• 44:22Danny Jones?

  It's true. It is, it is true. And it's, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, it's too big. It's such a big machine. And there's eight billion people on this earth and you know, there's giant governments and organizations and industries behind all this stuff. And you have to feed these people one way or the other. And that's ninety-nine point nine nine nine percent of human beings on this earth. They rely on that.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  But this is where I get a problem is that when it comes to pointing out the faults of sustainability, it's always a consumer that is pointing out, no, but you have to eat better. You have to pick the better options. The responsibility is on you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the problem is that, is that especially in this economy, people are just trying to put food on their plates. They're trying to feed their family. I think it's really unfair to ask people. So, okay, instead of buying the, the, the, the cheap tilapia that we keep telling you is disgusting for you, then instead you need to buy the very expensive, sustainable option. And it's, it's, it's, it, it sounds really good on paper. Everybody wants to eat the nice, beautiful

• 45:28Speaker 01

  piece of salmon from Alaska, but a lot of families cannot afford it.

• 45:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's just like wealth extraction, you know, to a sick degree. Whereas it's the same thing as the idea of like putting a carbon tax on people, like people that are already struggling to work paycheck to paycheck. Now you want to bootstrap them with this carbon tax that they're gonna have to pay on top of, you know, filling up their gas tank because they're contributing to global warming or whatever. It's just, it's just pure insanity.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. When they ask you to buy a plane ticket, do you want to pay carbon? Why don't you pay, you billion dollars company making millions a year? Why do I have to pay? Why are you overcharging me for a freaking plane ticket?

• 46:08Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah, exactly. And when you have the ability to go out and catch that five percent of wild animals, that's gonna be way better for you. You know, like when you can go out and catch and eat wild animals, whether it be land animals or ocean animals, um, it's gonna be way healthier. And it's like, we, we're aware of how terrible like hyper-processed food is for us, right? Like what's, that was one of like the big things with the presidential administration when they were running. Um, they're like with the whole Bobby Kennedy thing, like we're gonna get rid of food diets. We're gonna get rid of this, this, this, this, and this. Cause that's what's making America sick and America is the sickest country in the world.

• 46:53Danny Jones?

  And it's propped up by this big food industry that used to be the big tobacco industry. And it works hand in hand with the pharmaceutical industry. Cause you not only are making people sick with the food, but they're also, uh, pulling in money hand over fist with feeding people or prescribing people medications and stuff like that. So

• 47:12Danny Jones?

  it's a, it's a vicious cycle and it's a, it's a problem that, you know, it's so overwhelming. It seems like, you know, how do you fix it?

• 47:22Speaker 01

  It's hard because let's say, so I live in Texas. If I want to go catch, hunt my own meat, it's very easy. Jump in my car, I go somewhere, chances that I'm gonna run into a whitetail pretty high.

• 47:33Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 47:34Speaker 01

  If you live, yeah, they're everywhere. And if you, if I live in Tampa, by example, okay, then you have to run ten, fifteen miles minimum. You need a boat. Spear gun is five hundred dollars. And then you need a wetsuit and then you need fins and then you need this and then you need that. And then by the time you get there, by the gas, the gas you spend, it's, it is better in a planning perspective, but it's hard not to see catching your own food on land or on a boat has something that's very privileged.

• 48:06Danny Jones?

  You can catch a lot of stuff on shore.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  You can. You're gonna get much better stuff.

• 48:11Danny Jones?

  When I was in high school, I used to do a lot of illegal spearfishing.

• 48:16Danny Jones?

  Uh, and I've been, I've been, we've already said this on the podcast to an actual of a wild game and wildlife guy. And he didn't get mad at me. But when I was in high school, I used to just swim off the jetties here and shoot giant snook. And, uh, you know,

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Well, you can't shoot snooks anymore. So

• 48:33Danny Jones?

  What's that?

• 48:34Speaker 01

  You can't shoot snooks anymore.

• 48:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, no, you couldn't shoot them when I was shooting them back in the day either.

• 48:41Danny Jones?

  But we were, you know, me and my friends would just go out, you know, we would jump off the jetties off of the beaches and, you know, we would just shoot sheep's heads, snook, redfish, whatever we could find, you know, the only one of those things I just mentioned that you're allowed to shoot is sheep's head. Um, and then, you know, I remember I would go down to the Keys for weeks on end by myself and I would have no money and I would just, not during lobster season, I would just jump off the bridge and I would fill my board shorts up with lobster tails.

• 49:10Danny Jones?

  And my polespear, there's tons of food in shore that, you know, it's just like, you have to get it, you have to deal with like the laws. There's lots of laws around that kind of stuff, like what fish you can shoot. Well, you gotta be educated on what fish you're allowed to shoot, what's legal, what's not illegal, and, um, know where to go. But, but yeah, I see what you're saying with that. It's, it's a very privileged thing to be able to do, for sure.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, a gun is expensive, even on land.

• 49:38Danny Jones?

  It's expensive.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  You need a gun, you need a car, you need, let's say if you're starving, if you live in Austin, Texas, and you're starving, it's gonna be hard for you to go hunt your own deer.

• 49:47Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, for sure. Do you do a lot of hunting?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  I do, yes. Now I do.

• 49:52Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:54Danny Jones?

  What kind of stuff do you hunt?

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Uh, whitetail and I do nail guy.

• 50:01Danny Jones?

  Do what?

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Nail guy, just like an antelope.

• 50:04Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Now they're, it was, it was imported for high fence, uh, ranches, but a bunch of them escaped. So now they, I guess, considered kind of not native.

• 50:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  So there's no seasons for them. So that's

• 50:19Danny Jones?

  That's one thing I've never done. I've never been on a proper hunt, like a land hunt.

• 50:25Danny Jones?

  A good friend of mine just went to Alaska like three days ago to go moose hunting.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Oh, that's nice. That's a ton of meat.

• 50:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So they dropped him off. I guess he had to like take three flights out there and then they took up like they take, he flies to Alaska, then he has to take another little flight somewhere else. And then he has to like get dropped off in a helicopter somewhere. And they're there for 10 days, uncontacted. And like, I guess if they kill, I don't, this is what he told me. I don't know what I'm talking about, but he said if they kill a moose, uh, they have to quarter it up, strap it to their backs, and then they have to go back to the helicopter pad where they got there and like tie it up to the top of a tree. So grizzlies don't get it.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that sounds

• 51:03Danny Jones?

  That sounds like a pain in the ass.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Interesting. Do you mind if I eat?

• 51:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, you want to eat? We'll take a quick break. She's gonna take a, a little munchy break.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  My blood sugar is getting low.

• 51:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. I always feel bad for people that have to like constantly throughout their lives, like monitor this stuff 24/7, what they eat, like I

• 51:23Speaker 01

  I can't complain. It's three months.

• 51:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah. We're live. We were just having a long conversation about, uh, the dating world now, how crazy it is. And, um, there was, uh, interestingly enough, there was the same woman I was talking to you about earlier in the beginning of the show, how she found that nomadic sea tribe of sea people that was, uh, constantly that they just live off the ocean and they're free diving their whole lives. Um, she did a study called the sweaty t-shirt study. Have you ever heard of that?

• 51:59Speaker 01

  If it's the one that I'm thinking about, I'm super fascinated about that because, hey, keep going.

• 52:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's so interesting. So they gave a group of women sweaty t-shirts from different men. And they had each of the women smell the sweaty t-shirt and rate how attractive, how attracted they were to that scent.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:20Danny Jones?

  Like on a scale of one to 10. So after each woman rated the sweaty t-shirt, they said, okay, Valentine, Valentine, you found this scent very attractive. So we're gonna measure, take your DNA and take the DNA of the guy that that sweat came from, and we're gonna compare it and see if we notice any patterns. And what they found was the, the immune system of the man, of the woman who found that scent attractive was like a mirror, like a reverse of the immune system of the man whose sweat she found attractive, meaning that like where the woman's immune

• 53:04Danny Jones?

  system lacked, the man's immune system made up for that.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 53:08Danny Jones?

  So it made like a full, a more robust immune system in case, if they reproduced and they made it, they made a baby.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 53:17Danny Jones?

  Isn't that insane? That the smell, like you would never imagine this, like, it's just one of those things you don't think about when you're on these dating apps and you're swiping left and right on people, you're just looking at a, a 2D image of somebody that's like manipulated by a computer or whatever they do to smooth their face, all that shit. And

• 53:37Speaker 01

  So you should ask for smell sample.

• 53:39Danny Jones?

  One of them, they should ask for smell samples. Yeah. Yeah. It's an important evolution, evolutionary thing, I guess, or biological thing when it comes to reproduction. It's like, uh, it's just one of those things you kind of take for granted. You know, when you're around somebody, their scent can be attractive, you know?

• 53:58Speaker 01

  It did happen to me that I, I, I met a guy and I thought he was nice and everything was fine, but that the smell was in there for me. So it's not that he stank, it's just not, it was just not an attractive smell to me.

• 54:11Danny Jones?

  Are you being serious right now?

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 54:13Speaker 01

  No joke. Yeah.

• 54:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's, that's crazy.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  I was, I was much younger, so there's no, this person will recognize himself anyways.

• 54:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  He, he smelled like soap all the time to me. And I'm asking people around, I was like, can you just smell, it's just like you bit into it, like a bar of dove. And they were like, like a dove soap. And they were like, no, what are you talking about? I was like, no.

• 54:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Another other thing, this is probably a little bit of details, but, um, bladder infection.

• 54:43Danny Jones?

  What?

• 54:44Speaker 01

  A bladder infection. When you date a guy and you have intercourse with a guy, your body can reject that person. And then you're gonna get bladder infections over and over and over again because your pH just don't match.

• 54:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  And that's a problem.

• 54:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, that's so interesting.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  But

• 55:03Danny Jones?

  Human biology is so fricking crazy.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  I also saw something a little while ago and I don't know, I don't even know if it's accurate, but the pill, the contraceptive pill, kind of fucks that up.

• 55:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  And weirdly enough, this is purely anecdotal, but I've been in a pill for 18 years and I made very bad dating decisions.

• 55:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  And once I stopped the pill, much quicker, I was also older, so that also could help, but much quicker I was able to say like, oh, you know what, this is a red flag. No, I shouldn't do that. And I was more clear in my thinking when it came to choosing a partner.

• 55:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I've heard that too. I've heard that there's been women who like started dating their significant other when they were young and they were on birth control pills and, uh, or even the, um, what's the one that goes inside?

• 56:00Speaker 01

  The

• 56:01Danny Jones?

  The IED? IUDs, IUDs, or, or on the IUDs. And then, um, they've maybe been with their boyfriend for five, six, seven years. And then as soon as they get that taken out, they're not attracted to them anymore.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  I think that that, that whole process that you mentioned, that like the very primal, uh, partner picking, I think the pill does affect that a lot.

• 56:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  You can make wrong decisions because of that.

• 56:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Like, there's a reason, I mean, we, we evolved to be able to like make judgments on our mates, like by judging them in person, not through 2D screens.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:40Danny Jones?

  So it's just like, how does that, how does that spiral out of control with the way it's going? How now like young people aren't going out anymore? They aren't meeting each other in person? And like people are just becoming more lonely and, oh my God, seems like a real problem.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  And you can get lucky for sure. Like that also happens. I mean, in the sense that our, her parents, they have, they had a much smaller pool of options, which could lead to settling for different reasons.

• 57:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  As is right now, instead of having a circle of 20 people around you, now you have access to 5,000 people around you. And I don't know how much time it takes you to go all through fricking hinge or tinder or whatever, but you're gonna go through a ton of people.

• 57:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  So you also have access to

• 57:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  But then how do you choose? I don't know.

• 57:33Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean,

• 57:36Speaker 01

  I'm done married.

• 57:37Danny Jones?

  I guess it's better than, you know, being a, a British royalty back in the day when all they did was interbreed with each other.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  True.

• 57:46Danny Jones?

  You had to breed with people of the same family or the same lineage of you, like your third cousin. And that's why those people look all crazy. Remember that, what was that deformity we were talking about the other day where like you were looking, we were looking at these photos of these French kings back in the day? And they had these crazy big like jaws that came out like this and then their nose like hooked down. They looked insane. And they would hire these, these artists to do like portraits of them. And it was super allegedly like realistic compared to uh, uh, like their skeletal, they would like measure their skeletal remains and see like how realistic was this like with their facial structure or whatever. And they found out it was super accurate, like the, when these royals had artists paint them, they didn't have them face tune them at all. They had it very accurate. Yeah. Look at this guy.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  It's not a caricature. It's actually his face.

• 58:33Danny Jones?

  That's actually what this dude looks like. And that's from inbreeding.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  They had like protruding jaws?

• 58:39Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Like they thought that was hot back then. Like if you look like that, you know that you're, you got fucking money.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  The more inbred you look, the richer you look.

• 58:51Danny Jones?

  The more inbred you look, the richer you are.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 58:57Danny Jones?

  Oh God. Yeah. Look at this.

• 59:02Danny Jones?

  So crazy. King Charles the second of Spain.

• 59:07Danny Jones?

  Wild.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  He probably married his first cousin.

• 59:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Or sister.

• 59:13Danny Jones?

  Speaking of Spain, isn't the uh, this, isn't there like very little fish over there? I heard that like over there or especially like in the, in the Mediterranean, there's like no fish out there.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Europe, you would think that Europe is doing terribly. Terribly, terribly. There's a lot of, I mean, everybody's doing bad things. Don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of exploitation of Africa when it comes to seafood and also um, they overfish everything. They keep producing trawlers and things like that. Trawlers, trawlers, trawlers.

• 59:51Danny Jones?

  Trawlers.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, trawlers. Uh, they're, they're very still, they do a lot of bad stuff still. They're not really changing much.

• 1:00:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

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  It's the best country in the world when it comes to seafood sustainability.

• 1:01:20Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  It's the best way to buy seafood and be sure that you're buying sustainable stuff is buy something from the US.

• 1:01:28Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Not processed in the US, but cut in the US. It's.

• 1:01:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's so much weird shit that happens overseas in Europe and, and places like that. Like I heard, um, I think it was Rick O'Barry was telling us about this island off of Denmark. This Danish, it was Danish territory. It's an island of like indigenous people. Find out the name of that island, but basically what they do is they slaughter dolphins for sport.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. The, it's once a year, right?

• 1:02:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  Like a big festival?

• 1:02:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It's like a big thing where they, like even like the kids will go out and they slaughter the dolphins. They don't eat them. They just like chop their heads off and take photos with them and stuff like that. And Denmark lets them do it because it's like their, their heritage or whatever. It would be racist to not let them slaughter those dolphins.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  I guess why a lot of people left the Inuits alone when they're, with their whale hunting and stuff. Because they actually eat it and they use the whole animal. It's a little harder to decide

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  what, or dictate what animal are more important than others. And a sense that, let's say snapper for us is casual Tuesday fish to eat, right? And then, so who are we to say like, like, no, like you've been eating whales for 500 years. You're not allowed to do that anymore.

• 1:02:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  So in that perspective, I couldn't, I could understand the argument.

• 1:02:56Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Doesn't mean I agree with it, but you can at least understand the argument when it comes to, if you don't eat it though, then.

• 1:03:03Danny Jones?

  They're just killing it for fun.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  That's just, that's just dumb. What's, what's the point?

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  The Taiji, Japanese fishing village.

• 1:03:09Danny Jones?

  No, that's Japan. That's the Cove movie. This is, this is an island, a Danish island.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  All the photos are horrible.

• 1:03:18Danny Jones?

  It's an island owned by Denmark. Danish island that slaughters dolphins.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  Slaughter.

• 1:03:25Danny Jones?

  Uh, refers to the grind, grinder drop, centuries old tradition. Uh, drive hunt of pilot whales and white sided dolphins.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Oh no, they eat it though.

• 1:03:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, the Faroe Islands. That's what it is. The Faroe Islands.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  They eat though.

• 1:03:38Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  The meats and bubblers are then distributed amongst the local community for consumption.

• 1:03:43Danny Jones?

  Oh wow. I didn't know they were eating it. I thought they were only killing it.

• 1:03:49Danny Jones?

  Well, that's still, I mean, if they're eating it, that's better. That's a lot better, but it's like very unhealthy.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Also, it's, I'm playing the devil's advocate here.

• 1:03:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  It's just so, okay, they're killing 1,400 dolphins in a day. Uh, which sounds appalling.

• 1:04:05Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  What's the population of the Faroe Island?

• 1:04:10Danny Jones?

  The current population of the Faroe Islands is approximately 56,700.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  Okay, so divide 1,400 divided by 57,000 people.

• 1:04:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  I mean, you're talking about one eighth of a dolphin per person.

• 1:04:26Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  That's probably gonna last maybe a month or two.

• 1:04:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  It's.

• 1:04:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah, human beings have always done very weird, violent things for superstitions.

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  It's a very tiny portion of, unless I got that mat wrong, which is highly possible, suck the mat. But it's a very small amount of meat. And even I posted a photo of, of, of myself a couple of days ago and there's fish on the ground and I'm holding a fish. And somebody was like, this is an excessive amount of fish. I'm like, we're 10 on the boat. Everybody's married. Some people have kids. So you're already talking about 12 people to feed.

• 1:05:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Let's say there's, I don't know, making this up. This is 30 fish on the boat.

• 1:05:12Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  So it's two, two fish per person. That's what, a month supply of food?

• 1:05:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Doesn't seem excessive like that. How much meat and fish do you buy from a grocery store in a month?

• 1:05:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Is it gonna be more or less than that?

• 1:05:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  We're very emotional when it comes to food. Extremely emotional.

• 1:05:31Danny Jones?

  People on the internet are also very unhappy. The people that are the loudest on the internet are the most unstable, unhealthy psychologically people that exist.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  But it's, it's a normal reaction. Like sometime, it even happened to me and I fish. Sometime I see photos of a boat and it's filled with fish and I'm like, oh my God, like it is, it gets me. And I'm like, shit, it suns a lot. And then I'm like, I'm like, no, like this is so stupid. It's not. Like, think about it. First of all, they're commercial fishermen. This is a tiny boat. Even if you see a photo of a tiny scale, like a family owned fishing boat.

• 1:06:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Let's say in Maine or whatever, and you look at the haul they're gonna do at the end of the day. You're gonna look at that and you're gonna be like, whoa, this is a lot of fish. This is crazy.

• 1:06:15Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  The ocean has a ton of fish. It's more resistant than we think it is, even though they're abused. But when you compare to trawlers and extremely big fish, this is when you're talking about big quantities.

• 1:06:28Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  We look at a small fishing boat and automatically we're gonna be emotional about it and thinking like, oh, this is like 2,000 fish. This is horrible. This is a ton of fish, but it's really not.

• 1:06:40Danny Jones?

  I mean, even if you want to extend that to like charters who live in communities like in the Keys, right? Like there's like hardcore fishing families that live in the Keys that have badass boats and people that go visit the Keys. They pay a lot of money to go out and where these people will take them to the best spots. Catch them a bunch of great fish. They get to cook and eat fresh fish while they're going down there. That contributes to the local community down there of like local fishermen who were born and raised there. And like, that brings uh, advertising revenue. Oh, I mean, not advertised, but like um, like tourist, tourism and all that stuff. It's great for the communities. Um, but when you're talking about like highly mechanized industrial netting and trawling and that stuff, that's where it gets,

• 1:07:23Danny Jones?

  that's where it gets squirrely. And that's where it's just like, you know, that's kind of like where I. Draw the line where like that could be changed, that could be regulated differently. How much of it, how much of an effect would it have? I don't know.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, but it's like, one of the challenges is, let's say, China is a good example. I mean, hopefully, nobody will come and kill me, but China has been lying a lot about their, their, they keep saying that. Yeah, we'll keep catching more and more and more fish, and they're lying about the data to be like, there's no fishing problem. There's no fishing problem. You're talking about a country here. You're not talking about Roger and his mate Stephen, who are like on a boat and lying about catching a little bit more fish. Like you're literally talking about an entire country.

• 1:08:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Lying about catches and quotas. So it makes a lot of things extremely complicated.

• 1:08:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it does for sure.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  But it's like the same fishing boat coming out of, I'm just gonna do New England because New England is so fishing, it's easy. Now, the same boat is gonna have to spend more money, they're gonna have to spend more gas money, they're gonna have to spend more time at sea. And they have a certain quota. So when people are trying to, to, to think that, let's just like. If you eat less fish, then people are gonna catch less fish. And this map, this just doesn't work. It's, it's not how it is. It's, let's say the price of the cod is, I don't know, twenty dollars a pound, and then people stop eating it. All of a sudden, the price of the cod is gonna be twelve dollars a pound.

• 1:09:03Danny Jones?

  Right, exactly.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  You think that a fishing boat is gonna be like, well, I guess we're taking a loss this year. Now they won't. What are they gonna do? Is they're gonna go for longer? And then it's gonna cost them more money to do it, but the quota is gonna save, they're gonna fish the exact same amount to make the same amount of money.

• 1:09:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  And that, that the, no company is gonna take a profit going down. So they're gonna do everything they can. And to lower the fish prices, what it means that the more drastic people are gonna be with their fishing methods.

• 1:09:31Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent. And that's what's happening with the bluefin tuna in Japan. So like the bluefin tuna is like the most expensive fish in the world, where it's like they go for seventy thousand dollars a fish or something like that in Japan, which is nuts.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:43Danny Jones?

  And the population of them is diminishing, from what I heard. And they could do like some sort of a temporary moratorium on fishing to let the, let the supply and the population of the bluefin go back up. But the problem with that and why they won't do that is because if the, the population of the bluefins go back up. That increases the supply, which drops the price.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:07Danny Jones?

  So that's why they won't do it. They want fewer bluefin, so the price of them can remain astronomically high, like seventy thousand dollars a fish.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. And they've been trying to modify the quotas in the United States. Because bluefin tuna is actually very sustainable in the United States, that you catch it on the east coast and the west coast. It's, the population is, it's, it's, it's getting better and it's healthy and things like that, but. Problem is you have Mexico who's not healthy about it at all.

• 1:10:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  And you have Japan who's being not healthy at all.

• 1:10:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  That's why sustainability is very geographic. It's not. That's why I don't really like talking about a species when it comes to sustainability, but rather as what a species was called to. That makes a really big difference. If you wanna buy, if you're gonna buy bluefin, like, people say, oh my god, you cannot eat bluefin tuna, it's terrible, it's terrible.

• 1:11:01Danny Jones?

  Why? Why's it terrible?

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Because sustainability. If you buy bluefin tuna caught off the coast of New England, it's very sustainable. They're not allowed to allow tuna every year. It's extremely regulated. They have face recognition planes flying.

• 1:11:17Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  If you are catching a tuna, you don't have a permit, you're gonna get caught and you're gonna go to jail.

• 1:11:23Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  It's, it's a very expensive product, so of course they're gonna be very protected. In Canada, you're allowed. The license cost, I think about sixty thousand dollars. And you allowed one fish per year, and then a following year you're allowed two, then one, then two, then one, then two. A year, for your whole season. So I went with this guy, we went and we got to Ryanair. We caught one, it was about eight hundred pounds, he was like, fuck it, he cut the line. He said, I only allow one this year, I'm gonna have to wait for twelve hundred, fourteen hundred pound one. Otherwise, I'm not gonna make my money.

• 1:11:58Danny Jones?

  That's good.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  So, but it's, it's, yeah, it's really, and then if you go on a charter in the, in the west coast and. If you're winning your limits, you, you're fine.

• 1:12:09Danny Jones?

  Right. Are you familiar with like the quota systems here in Florida, like on the Gulf Coast when it comes to like grouper and snapper and all that? And the whole IFQ system that's in place here?

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  No, I know like how much, how much you're allowed to catch per boat, per person, but that's.

• 1:12:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so, so like I learned about this by accident about ten years ago. When, uh, cause I, I was born and raised here, uh, and I was always around the beaches and stuff like that. And when I was young, we would always drive by this one seven eleven that's just on the corner of Madeira Beach. And we would always see these crazy alcoholic dudes just roaming around, causing chaos and, you know, being belligerent. And, uh, one day, me and my buddy, my buddy was like, we should go interview those guys, cause we were into doing documentaries and stuff back then. So we like got in the car, we went over there and we started interviewing this guy.

• 1:13:05Danny Jones?

  And, uh, just the most insane character I've ever met, like full-blown alcoholic drug addict. Like loved buying prostitutes, lived on a boat, like a broken down houseboat that was still floating in one of the marinas. And, uh, this guy was a deckhand on a, on a, for like commercial fishing boats that go out and catch grouper and snapper off the coast here.

• 1:13:28Danny Jones?

  And, uh, the way they do it is they go offshore for like ten days at a time to catch a bunch of grouper and snapper, cause like, um, John's Pass. Is like the grouper capital of the world, like more grouper comes in through John's Pass than any, any other port in the, in the world, which is insane. So it's very well known for grouper fishing. And, uh.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Was he still a deckhand in between jobs?

• 1:13:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah, all, all he did was, was deckhand on boats. That's all he, that's the only thing he, he did for money.

• 1:13:57Danny Jones?

  But like, so, we, we met this guy, we started talking to him like, this guy's insane. And then he started talking to us about what he does for work. He's like, I'm a deckhand. He's like, I go out fishing for ten days, I come back with like four or five grand, and I just fucking party. And he goes, I come back and I, he blows all his money on drugs and prostitutes. And, and, uh, eventually he runs out of money and he has to go fishing again. So, a lot of the people that we met like him are like addicted to heroin, cocaine, all kinds of drugs. And they blow all that cash on all the drugs and no one gives a shit about them.

• 1:14:41Danny Jones?

  They're basically on their own in their own little like degenerate community. And then they show up at the fish houses when they run out of drugs, and they're like, take me fishing, I need to go make some money. So they go offshore for ten days and they detox at sea, and they call it sea hab.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 1:14:55Danny Jones?

  And then they get more money, they come back and they rinse and repeat, but like, and they, so like the problem with it. And the way this whole IFQ system started with the quotas. And the reason that it's become, like, what's, the, the problem is, is that. Like the, the top, the top layer of the fishing industry here. Has become disconnected from the fishing community here. So. These guys should be making a lot more money. And like, they should be more like connected with like the people that run the boats and own the, own the fish houses and stuff like that, but they're not, they're just. They're just sort of treated like, you know, whatever, like grunt workers and we don't give a shit about them, they're a dime a dozen.

• 1:15:40Danny Jones?

  And so I guess in this, in the eighties or early nineties. It was a general fishing quota here to where all the fishing boats got, or there, there was a. X amount of quota that you could catch each year for, per boat, right? So like, say for example, if it was. I'm just gonna throw a number out there, a million pounds a year. They would go out, they would fish all year until they hit that quota. So like sometimes they could, they could catch, they could catch a million pounds by July or September. Sometimes, and they would just have to stop fishing for the rest of the year, cause they already hit their million pounds quota. And what they did after that, I believe this was in the mid nineties, I could be wrong.

• 1:16:21Danny Jones?

  Was they implemented this IFQ system where the federal government came in. And they said, uh, we're now going to allocate quota to certain boat owners.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:16:38Danny Jones?

  Based on their previous catch history. So if you caught two hundred thousand pounds roughly a year for the last five years. We're now gonna, the federal government is now gonna hand you two hundred thousand pounds of quota each year. And they're gonna do that to every other boat, every other boat owner that's been fishing for, forever.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:58Danny Jones?

  So now, because it's been commoditized by the federal government. It's like, it's the best retirement plan known to man for these people, because now like the stock is not, it's not the same for everybody. It's now like taken in and now it's like social security for these fishermen. And.

• 1:17:18Danny Jones?

  On top of that.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  You can sell too.

• 1:17:20Danny Jones?

  So what these guys did was, they said, now since the, since there's like a limited amount of this quota. And I was gifted this by the federal government, I am gonna lease my quota out. So these guys don't have to fish anymore. They can literally lease their quota, which is like, whatever, whatever, say, say red snappers. Eight bucks a pound. They can lease their quota out to these people for like twelve bucks a pound. And now they're making, they're skimming off the top. So now there's less money for the actual people on the boat, the people that are, that are operating the boat. And also, these guys can sell their stock to people on Wall Street. Who can literally buy and sell and trade it however they want.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:18:02Danny Jones?

  And it's like, it's so insane how it's just become corporatized. And, you know, and traded on financial markets like that. And, uh, from what I understand is that's not how it's. Done in like the northeast and in Alaska and stuff like that where the the boat owner has to be like on the throttle on the boat when they're out there fishing and they have to be like hands on with the whole operation and here it's just so disconnected. I don't know if it's still that way. Like I said, that was in 2016, so the regulations and the laws may have changed, but um.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  When we looked it up uh two days ago, it was still that way.

• 1:18:45Danny Jones?

  Is it really?

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, nothing's changed.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  It was, I don't know, it was talks about changing it, but.

• 1:18:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  I don't think it ever happened.

• 1:18:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's a it's an unfortunate way to do it, you know, where you're creating this and you're you're like creating this this industry where it's basically like industrialized with the way that people can trade the stock and of these of these quotas and stuff like that. It's really, it's really weird and it's not good.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  It's also hard to see where it's gonna go. Because a lot, the majority of the commercial fishermen I know, they're not doing well.

• 1:19:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  It's it's it's Shrimper in Louisiana and Texas. Family Fishing Boat, it's not, they have a lot of problems. It's really hard. I mean, one of them, of course, is also that the next generation does not really want to do that type of

• 1:19:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  work either. But it's, yeah, it's gonna be, let's see what happens, but the more, the less you take it out of the hands of the fishermen and the people is gonna start, I mean, it's fish houses that you mentioned.

• 1:19:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  All closing, it's hard.

• 1:19:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  It's how do you people can't afford that anymore and there's not enough fish, there's not enough, it's.

• 1:20:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and there's lots of people that that are like that go to, I know like there's people around here

• 1:20:09Danny Jones?

  who uh they go to Washington all the time to try to lobby against this quota system, right? Like they want to go back to the way it was, so that it's a more localized thing. It's more of like a community type thing where the federal government's not involved at all. A lot of the guys don't like that. The people that have sold their quota or that leased their quota and make money on that because they do other things now.

• 1:20:31Danny Jones?

  They have no incentive to to stop it.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, for sure.

• 1:20:35Danny Jones?

  But it's just crazy how like the government can get so involved in this thing, like the federal government can get so involved in like small fisheries and fishing towns all over the country.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  It's sad because, yeah, that's I I have no idea where it's gonna be in 20 years, but the way it's going, it's not gonna be good.

• 1:20:52Danny Jones?

  No, no, not at all. Is there um in Texas on the Gulf Coast, how far are you from the Gulf Coast of Texas?

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  About three hours.

• 1:21:02Danny Jones?

  Three hours. So so there's a lot of um there's a huge commercial fishing industry there, right?

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Yes, Galveston.

• 1:21:09Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Do you ever go out out there at all?

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  No, it's when you go from Galveston, you have to run extremely far to find blue water. And of course, because I spearfish, I can't really spearfish in brown water.

• 1:21:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  So I have to go really, really far. No, I go to um the closest I go, it's South Padre Island at the border of Mexico.

• 1:21:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  But it's, yeah, seven hour drive.

• 1:21:38Danny Jones?

  What about the oil rigs out there? Aren't there a lot of, aren't there a lot of, are those rigs super far?

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Really far.

• 1:21:41Danny Jones?

  Are they really?

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  So when you go to Louisiana, then you can reach a rig really quickly. But when it come Texas, it's just

• 1:21:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  way further out, so it's not, it's not very practical. It's doable. But like you said, you mentioned the charters and stuff like that. It's do I really wanna go on a charter and pay $4,000 for the day to go fish and catch a bunch of snappers?

• 1:22:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  It's gonna cost me cheaper to fly to Florida and go visit my friends and do fun fishing with my.

• 1:22:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, a lot of my friends, they they they they take their boats up to um the Panhandle and they'll just shoot off the coast of the Panhandle and go hit a bunch of the oil rigs there because it's like, I guess it's super close.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard it's super fishy over there.

• 1:22:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like lots of big stuff, lots of marlin and tuna and wahoo and all kinds of stuff like that.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:30Danny Jones?

  And lots of good diving too on the on the oil rigs.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, always just so beautiful underwater.

• 1:22:37Danny Jones?

  Have you ever dived on an oil rig?

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're so amazing. And Louisiana and then South Padre is also.

• 1:22:43Danny Jones?

  Free diving or?

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, free diving. I don't do scuba dive.

• 1:22:45Danny Jones?

  What kind of, I don't do scuba diving either. It's too much, it's too much work.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Danny Jones?

  It's too much stuff to keep track of.

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:22:52Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  I just don't like the idea of being on oxygen at 100 feet down and then I shoot a fish and then a shark show up and you have to do your freaking.

• 1:23:00Danny Jones?

  Safety stop?

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  Your safety stop along the way and then you have a stringer full of fish and I I I.

• 1:23:05Danny Jones?

  It's like too much shit can go wrong. That's my view of it. And I'm always like, I can't pay attention to my gauges and everything else. And it's just like, you gotta make sure everything's kept kept up to date, you know, serviced at the right time, make sure the O-rings are good. And it's like, something goes wrong with an O-ring, that can be catastrophic. Get the bends and that kind of stuff. It's easier to know. Like, I know my own limits, but I'm holding my breath. You know?

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  Also, I free dive deep enough that if I would be on the scuba dive, I would go really deep. Like I would be able to sit that like, yeah, like 120, 150, but do I really want to scuba dive in 120, 150?

• 1:23:41Danny Jones?

  How deep do you go?

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Right now, probably not too deep.

• 1:23:45Danny Jones?

  Well, when you're, not right now, but like normally.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  Normally, I can do comfortable

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  up to 100.

• 1:23:53Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:54Danny Jones?

  How long can you stay on the bottom at 100?

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Total, the dive is probably gonna be maybe two minutes.

• 1:24:01Danny Jones?

  Two minutes, wow. That's pretty good. I think Manny Puig told me that the best he ever did was at one I think he said he went to 170 and he stayed there for 40 seconds.

• 1:24:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, 170 at 40 seconds is the best he ever did, I think.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  That's my max, actually. 170 is my deepest I've ever been. But I don't know how long it was, but I've been and I came right back up. Chill down there.

• 1:24:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's way, it's way more exhilarating when you're free diving, I feel like. And it's way more like, I don't know, I mean, when you're going up and coming down, you know, all day long and and doing that and just like there's something about it where it's just like you had this euphoric feeling afterwards, you know, and you get back on the boat, you just like, you feel amazing. It does something to you.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  And sporty. It's like you have two, it's it's I think it's still an estimate because I don't think they actually had a real study on that, but the calories you burn when you're free diving is insane. I think it was estimated between 800 and 1200 an hour.

• 1:25:08Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  Which like, name me not a sport that's that intense.

• 1:25:12Danny Jones?

  Wow, that's crazy.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  If you wanna lose weight going to free diving too, then dive every day.

• 1:25:17Danny Jones?

  That's insane, that's a lot of calories.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Skinny.

• 1:25:19Danny Jones?

  That's one of the things you don't realize you're doing it either because like you're in the zone, you know what I mean?

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:25:24Danny Jones?

  Like you're chasing fish and you're doing all that. So it's not like one of those things where it's like, it's not that taxing in the moment on you.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  But it's also so mental. I mean, I had days when I physically I felt fantastic and I dove like shit.

• 1:25:40Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  And there's other days when I'm like, oh, I don't know. And then next thing you know, I'm 60 feet, I'm chilling for two minutes and a half and I'm like, I'm just gonna come back up and life is good and you feel awesome and you feel really good and it's even with pregnancy, my first when I was born, my first, I went free diving, I was doing 50 feet.

• 1:26:00Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  And I was super comfortable with 50 feet. Life was good. I didn't feel any pressure. And when I went this week at 40 feet, I started feeling the pressure and I was like, oh, all right, I can't, I that's my own limit that I set to myself. When I feel the pressure of the water, that's when I'm stopping. Because there is no study on the impact on the amniotic fluid. Those ladies, you can't, it's hard, their body is so used to it.

• 1:26:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  That their body could also be reacting very differently to me or somebody.

• 1:26:32Danny Jones?

  Of course.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Like if you're pregnant, it's not the time to pick up free diving. Exactly.

• 1:26:36Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  It's also, I mean, when I, my first doctor, when I talked to him about free diving and spearfishing, he was like, yeah, you've been doing it for like 15 years. He's like, go ahead, like your body's used to it, it doesn't matter. My new doctor was like, no, do not do that. I was like, well, I'm not asking you, I'm telling you.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  But yeah, I'll keep it. So maybe it's probably mental that she told me not to do it. So I had less confidence in the water. My my body just didn't adapt to that. It also could be them three years older, who knows?

• 1:27:11Danny Jones?

  Right. Have you ever hand caught a fish?

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Hand caught a fish? Uh

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  no.

• 1:27:19Danny Jones?

  No?

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  I have not.

• 1:27:19Danny Jones?

  You gotta try it.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  I like the sling.

• 1:27:22Danny Jones?

  Like this, like the pole spear or the Hawaiian sling?

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  No, I don't like the pole spear.

• 1:27:26Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  I I don't enjoy using that, but I enjoy the sling, like, or in the water and like.

• 1:27:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the Hawaiian slings are cool.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  That is my favorite one to use. I lived in Bimini for a year. And I used a sling for a year and it made me a much better hunter.

• 1:27:40Danny Jones?

  Because pole spears aren't, they're um pole spear or spear guns are not allowed in the Bahamas, is that right?

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. Even here, when I come here, I use the smallest gun and I can't. I use a 90, I'm fine with a 90 and I'm I'm it makes you better and more careful and it's just how I like to make it harder, not that I should.

• 1:28:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, that's like Manny Manny Puig, what he does, he likes to make it more difficult on himself. That's why he created these tridents. That's what I was gonna show you.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  That's so crazy.

• 1:28:12Danny Jones?

  This is the Manny Puig Trident. And this thing weighs, this thing's heavy as fuck. This is like solid steel. And uh this is like really fucking sharp, like this would impale anything.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  But you have to be really close to the fish.

• 1:28:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so with the tridents, you really can't be in the water. It's not designed for shooting, for killing shit when you're in the water. It's more of like if you're on the boat. And you know, if there's something.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  How do you make a fish? I guess you feed them?

• 1:28:42Danny Jones?

  Like triple tail or stuff that's on the surface?

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Danny Jones?

  You know, like you can, you can hit a triple tail or like it, it, you know, tilapia and stuff like that. Or gators, it's great for gators. This, something this big, there's really no fish that you could kill with this that you want to eat.

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  Like a triple tail with that better be a big triple tail.

• 1:28:58Danny Jones?

  I have a smaller one that's about, about a third the size of this one. And that one's better for like triple tail and tilapia and stuff like this. This giant one's better for like gators and hogs and, and boars and stuff.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:29:11Danny Jones?

  Um, that's what he, so, so his whole thing is making shit more difficult. He's like, tries to make shit more primitive. So he likes to go offshore and just chum up fish, like drop bait or drop chum in the water and like bring sharks in or whatever. And he likes to hand catch them with, with his hands. So, so he, he likes to go down, like swim down on the reefs and, uh, just stick his hands into holes and pull the groupers out with his hands.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:29:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And he's caught Mako sharks by his, by hand before, like free diving, just catching Makos by hand.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:29:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  That.

• 1:29:47Danny Jones?

  He's nuts.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Sounds way more dangerous than shooting a cobra for a bull shark.

• 1:29:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, he's.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  I will not try to catch a Mako with my own hand.

• 1:29:58Danny Jones?

  And on top of that, he does it wearing a leopard print speedo.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  That, that, that does sound like Manny Puig, you have to say.

• 1:30:08Danny Jones?

  Pretty cool. He's, he's been bitten by four species of sharks. Lemon shark, Mako shark, nurse shark, and Mako lemon nurse. And one more, I can't remember what the other one was, but he said out of all the shark bites, he said the worst one was the nurse shark.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:30:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah. He said, cause the nurse doesn't let go.

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  But a nurse doesn't really have teeth though.

• 1:30:36Danny Jones?

  It has teeth, has crazy fucking teeth.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  But it's not gonna like, they're, they're not gonna rip off your arm.

• 1:30:43Danny Jones?

  Right, but they have insane jaw pressure.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:47Danny Jones?

  So.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  They have like tiny little, like, it's like paper cuts.

• 1:30:50Danny Jones?

  Right, right. Well, it's, so.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  It's not gonna kill you, let's put it that way.

• 1:30:54Danny Jones?

  Well, depending on how big the thing is, yeah.

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  I guess unless it drags you to the bottom.

• 1:30:58Danny Jones?

  And depending on where it bites you. But, uh, he said he got bit on the leg by a nurse shark and it didn't, it was like a five foot nurse shark and it didn't let go. And he ended up ripping the nurse shark off because he had no other way to get it off. He, I guess if you get bit, you just leave it on, get out of the water and then kill the thing and then figure out how to get it off.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Leave it on as it leave the shark on?

• 1:31:19Danny Jones?

  So he let, so he pulled the shark off his leg and it ripped a giant chunk out of his leg. And he had to get his skin grabbed after that. Apparently the, uh.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  Can we Google nurse shark, uh, bites?

• 1:31:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, find nurse shark bites. He said a.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, an human or something.

• 1:31:40Danny Jones?

  He said a, a six foot nurse shark.

• 1:31:44Speaker 01

  The exhuman models are bound to be bit by.

• 1:31:48Danny Jones?

  He said a six foot nurse shark has the same jaw pressure as a thousand pound great white.

• 1:31:57Danny Jones?

  And they probably need that jaw pressure because they don't have crazy teeth, you know? Cause they're smaller and they have smaller little serrated teeth. So they need to have that insane jaw pressure. Look at that. That's crazy.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  I don't know if, it doesn't say what it is.

• 1:32:11Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  I doubt it.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  I don't think that's a no shark.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, this seems to be the, the, the bite that you get.

• 1:32:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you're not gonna, they're not gonna, they're not gonna bite your leg off. But for whatever reason.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  I mean, look, if I was bit by a shark, I would pick that one.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  I just put it that way. If I have to pick one, that's the one I'm picking.

• 1:32:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, certainly. Yeah. You're certainly going to, uh, if you know what you're doing, you're.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  Even if the jaw pressure is much stronger, I'm still not gonna go to great whites.

• 1:32:41Danny Jones?

  Right, right. Yeah, way more can go wrong with a Mako or a great white for sure. But pull up, pull up one of the videos of Manny Puig hand catching a Mako shark. It's to say they're not, they're not like, he's not catching like thousand pound Makos with his hand, obviously, but he's catching like four to five foot Makos with his hands and like taking him on rides. And he's like riding with them like through the ocean. It's literally insane.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  All right, Manny posted it on his Instagram.

• 1:33:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is the hand catch?

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's what it says.

• 1:33:11Danny Jones?

  Okay, yeah, hand catching Mako shark. Eighteen years ago, back when he was in his prime.

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  It looks like it's the same footage that we saw.

• 1:33:20Danny Jones?

  There he goes, look.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:33:22Danny Jones?

  I got it.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Give it a big hug.

• 1:33:25Danny Jones?

  Look at that. And he's holding on. Look at this.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  He's scared.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  The shark is like, what?

• 1:33:30Danny Jones?

  He's like, what the fuck is this maniac doing?

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  I don't want a hug.

• 1:33:37Danny Jones?

  Look at this.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  How is he not scared? He's gonna turn around and bite him.

• 1:33:44Speaker 02

  I know, right?

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  So then he just lets go?

• 1:33:56Danny Jones?

  Oh my God. And then it restarts.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Why, why?

• 1:34:01Danny Jones?

  Insane. Why? That's, that's my question. I have no, I mean, obviously for, for the camera, you know?

• 1:34:08Speaker 01

  This seems like a typical fuck around and find out scenario, but I guess he didn't.

• 1:34:13Danny Jones?

  Everywhere they go, whenever he goes on these trips, he bring, they bring tourniquets with them, you know, because they're,

• 1:34:19Danny Jones?

  they're expecting to get bit and you don't want to lose a limb. So they gotta have, we, we were talking to, um, Andy Casa Grande the other day. He's the, um, he's the guy who shoots all the Shark Week stuff for Nat Geo and Discovery.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Danny Jones?

  And, uh, he was explaining to us, like whenever they go on trips, he's got loads of tourniquets and all kinds of like med kits a bit, you know, with them in case they, in case they get their arm or leg bitten off.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  There is, have you heard of Coco Island?

• 1:34:47Danny Jones?

  Cocos Island?

• 1:34:47Speaker 01

  Coco Island?

• 1:34:48Danny Jones?

  Oh no.

• 1:34:49Speaker 01

  So it's owned by Costa Rica. And it's very, you need to have a permit to go there. Uh, you're not allowed to free dive when you're there, if you get a permit to go there. It's extremely dangerous. A ton of people.

• 1:35:01Danny Jones?

  You're not allowed to free dive?

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  No. You can only free dive. And there's a ton of people who, this is a terrible story. I don't even know if I'm allowed to tell that story.

• 1:35:12Danny Jones?

  Tell it.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  That's pretty bad.

• 1:35:15Danny Jones?

  It's okay. We've had, we've had some.

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  Somebody went on a trip there. This is bad. Anyway, somebody went on a trip there and, um.

• 1:35:25Danny Jones?

  Holy shit.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  That's not there.

• 1:35:27Danny Jones?

  That's not it?

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  No, it's, uh, owned by Costa Rica. Coco Island, not Como Island.

• 1:35:31Danny Jones?

  How do you spell it?

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  Coco, like C O C O.

• 1:35:34Danny Jones?

  C O C O Island?

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  C O C O.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  And, uh.

• 1:35:38Danny Jones?

  No A Steve, just C O C O.

• 1:35:40Speaker 02

  C O C O.

• 1:35:41Speaker 01

  Somebody got bit by a shark and they weren't in mission and it cost so much money to get there. But like all the permits and all the camera and all that stuff. And they had to put the person in the freezer for the rest of the week.

• 1:35:53Danny Jones?

  They had to do what?

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  To put the person in the freezer for the rest of the week.

• 1:35:57Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  Because it's so remote and so far away and a lot of people get bit by sharks there and die.

• 1:36:06Danny Jones?

  Is this it? Oh, Costa Rica. Yeah. Zoom out?

• 1:36:10Danny Jones?

  Whoa. Way offshore.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  Way offshore.

• 1:36:14Danny Jones?

  Zoom in closer now?

• 1:36:17Danny Jones?

  Costa Rica owns this.

• 1:36:22Danny Jones?

  Where the hell's the island?

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  It's kinda hidden behind the.

• 1:36:26Danny Jones?

  Oh wait, that's it. It's just, it looks like it's blending in with the ocean because it's, it's under cloud cover.

• 1:36:33Danny Jones?

  So this person was free diving.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  But this, it happened to a lot of people.

• 1:36:38Danny Jones?

  And so.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know if that, the freezer story, I don't know if that person was free diving, but I know there is, um, there's an influencer that died that got bit by a shark there.

• 1:36:50Danny Jones?

  What kind of shark?

• 1:36:52Danny Jones?

  Tiger?

• 1:36:52Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think there's a lot of tigers there. There's a ton of sharks there. Ton, ton, ton, ton, ton. A lot of shark studies happened there.

• 1:37:00Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  And it's protected. So apparently you can see like, at the horizon, you can see the line of like the Chinese boat.

• 1:37:09Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  Not supposed to cross it.

• 1:37:11Danny Jones?

  In international waters?

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. They were just fishing around on that line because it's so protected. So it must be kinda fishy there.

• 1:37:19Danny Jones?

  There's that many, there's that many commercial boats out there.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:23Danny Jones?

  Right. That makes sense.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  It's an interesting place there.

• 1:37:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:27Speaker 01

  But yeah, you're not allowed to free dive when you go there.

• 1:37:30Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Cause there was too many deaths.

• 1:37:32Danny Jones?

  Cause Costa Rica, it's like famously no shark attacks in Costa Rica, you know?

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:38Danny Jones?

  There's like been one ever in history that I've heard of.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  I mean, this is so far off the coast.

• 1:37:42Danny Jones?

  That's way far off. Yeah, that's true.

• 1:37:46Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Interesting spot.

• 1:37:49Danny Jones?

  The thing about sharks is like, it's such a, like a polarizing thing where, you know, everyone's terrified of sharks because of, you know, the Jaws movie that came out. So it's kind of been baked into culture to everyone to be terrified as sharks is this boogeyman.

• 1:38:06Danny Jones?

  And, you know, then you have people that dive with sharks on Instagram all the time. Like the girl in Hawaii, um, Ocean, Ocean Ramsey. And she dives with the, these giant fat tiger sharks that are like, you could tell they're super well fed. And she's swimming with them and she's like, look at this. Beautiful teddy bear, isn't she gorgeous and all this stuff and it's like.

• 1:38:31Danny Jones?

  On on one level, I'm like, yeah, I get it like it's really cool that you're doing this. And you're able to swim with these fucking crazy beasts, but like they're not teddy bears, they're fucking killing machines.

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  But that's why now there's a bunch of influencers decides to go to Tiger Beach in the Bahamas and jump in the water and then. Accident happens, it's not, they they're not. Honestly, you don't want to demonize them and say like, let's kill all of them. But also you cannot tell people that they're innocent. Creatures, I think if everybody learned anything from that. The documentary, it was called Grizzly Man or something. I mean. It's it's they are, they're wild animals. Dog is a wild animal, I wouldn't, I would. I won't even leave my daughter alone with my dog and I had a twelve pound sausage dog.

• 1:39:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they're opportunistic, those those they're they're predators that are opportunistic carnivores, so. If they get the opportunity and they're hungry enough, they're gonna eat you.

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  Worst case scenario, they'd be like, hmm, what's that, I'm curious. Let's see how you taste, so it's not, it's it's. And also, I think those encounters are unrealistic, so there is a lot of. I watched a document Netflix and look.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  These are not, they keep saying that they don't feed the shark, I'm calling bullshit. I've seen thousands of sharks in the wild, I haven't seen a single one behaving like that.

• 1:40:03Danny Jones?

  Like what?

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  They don't come and chill around you.

• 1:40:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, right.

• 1:40:08Speaker 01

  And like they don't do that, they don't give a shit about you. If you're fishing and they know you have fish, they're gonna start swimming.

• 1:40:19Danny Jones?

  Frantically?

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  Frantically. Around you. And then at some point, it's like, well, there's no fish, I'm out. But the way they they they they film that footage or like Instagram people and things like that, if you jump in the water and there's ten sharks around you. Those sharks have been fed. They're not.

• 1:40:37Danny Jones?

  They're used to the people feeding them.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  Exactly, they're not curious enough that they're gonna chill with you. They're not, that's just, that's just not a thing.

• 1:40:46Danny Jones?

  Right, they feed the sharks, they get them fat and full and the sharks are number one, they're used to them coming every day and feeding them. And number two, they're not hungry after they're fed, so you can go swim with them, the sharks that you see every day in the same spot. And you're not, you're not finding some, you know, rogue juvenile shark that, you know, has no experience with humans and is not well fed. And you're gonna end up being like that guy off the coast of Egypt that got eaten alive on camera.

• 1:41:16Danny Jones?

  That was a pregnant mother too, that shark, and they freaking went and killed it after.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, there's basically four scenarios possible when you see a shark in the wild, that's wild, right, you have. He's gonna come and he's gonna go straight at you and you're never gonna see it coming. Or you can have the as bad situation or actually probably less because. He's gonna try to charge you and he's gonna get angry, but then he's gonna leave.

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  And then the third scenario is you're gonna come because you have fish, he's gonna get excited, he's gonna hang around because he sees there's fish. After ten minutes of there's no fish, that that thing is gone. Or you have another, the last scenario is you're in the water, the shark is. The shark is gonna come, he's gonna check you out and he's gonna leave. There is no scenarios in the wild where you're gonna be floating in the water and a shark is gonna hang out. I'm sorry, but that that never happened to me, I don't know anyone that it happened to. A shark will not hang out in the water unless there's food in the water.

• 1:42:23Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the footage of the um, the drones that they have in Australia on the beaches where these guys are surfing? So there's a company, I texted you a link to this company the other day, Steve, um, I texted you this on Tuesday. There's these guys that are in Australia and they fly drones over and over the surf breaks where people are surfing. And basically, because there's so many fucking great whites and tiger sharks out there, they they um, if. A great white gets close to somebody, they have a way of alerting them with like flashing lights or it can make a noise or something like this. Look at this, Australia's thirty four million dollar shark drone program, under thirty, under a thirty four million dollar initiative by the New South Wales state government.

• 1:43:08Danny Jones?

  Which rolled out on first of July, um, all thirty eight of Sydney's ocean beaches, including. Kogi uh, now received dawn to dusk drone monitoring year round, seventy. New South Wales beaches in total are a part of this program before a shark attack on a thirty four year old. Sydney teacher and mother Leah Stewart in June, in which she lost an arm, drone surveillance. Was not permitted in Kogi, Coogie, because it lies directly under the flight path from Sydney's airport. Surf life saving New South Wales drone operator Taha Cafil Hussein explains how the technology is helping keep swimmers safe.

• 1:43:49Danny Jones?

  And the footage is freaking nuts, there's guys that are like sitting on their surfboards and you see. I shit you not, an eighteen foot monster great white swimming up. Right up to the freaking guy at the surfing.

• 1:44:06Danny Jones?

  And and like the great whites don't do anything, they're like circling them for a minute, the guy will notice it and then he'll like start paddling, kind of like.

• 1:44:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and the shark doesn't do anything, is there a clip of a shark next to a surfer? There's so many of them online.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  That's crazy. That's why I don't surf, I like to see what's happening.

• 1:44:29Danny Jones?

  And then we showed this one the other day of that old man swimming with the great white. In in Australia, this guy, this like seventy five year old dude is just like swimming off the beach. You know, like lots of people, it's so crazy, people do this in in Hawaii too, where they just like, they go like a hundred yards offshore at dusk. And they just like swim for hundreds of yards, just for like a daily exercise.

• 1:44:53Danny Jones?

  But he was doing this and there's a drone above him and there's this giant eighteen, probably, I don't know, I remember, maybe twelve to fifteen foot great white. Swimming right up to him, circling him, he sees it. And they interviewed him afterwards, he was like, dude, I saw this look of the footage, he's like, yeah, he's like, I saw it. And he's like, I've been coming out here for my whole life and I thought that, you know, if this is my time to go, at least I'm gonna go doing what I love.

• 1:45:18Speaker 02

  Totally oblivious.

• 1:45:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this is not a good one, there's ones, there's like very high res shots of guys in like crystal clear water. With massive great whites swimming right up to them.

• 1:45:32Danny Jones?

  Just Google, just type in Google, great white drone shot surfing.

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  There's a guy in California, I think it's.

• 1:45:40Danny Jones?

  That's what it was.

• 1:45:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the one, the old man was in California.

• 1:45:47Danny Jones?

  There it is, California.

• 1:45:50Danny Jones?

  No, this is a surfer. Yeah, but we can see this one's, that's not a huge great white, that's probably a good twelve footer. No, maybe like eight footer.

• 1:46:01Danny Jones?

  This guy has no idea.

• 1:46:08Danny Jones?

  So he tries to like dive the drone down to alert him.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  I think you saw it now.

• 1:46:20Danny Jones?

  Okay, now he has to see him, okay, yeah, now he's going, he's heading.

• 1:46:28Danny Jones?

  He's following him and he just turns away.

• 1:46:30Speaker 01

  That is not a good behavior.

• 1:46:34Danny Jones?

  Hundreds of these videos of these great whites checking out these surfers. And they don't get bit. You know, have you seen the video of Mick Fanning during the surf contest in South Africa? Where the great white like pulls on his leash, knocks him off his board.

• 1:46:47Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:46:48Danny Jones?

  That's insane.

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  And it's true, most of the time they don't do anything, but it's, I don't know. Humans have an obsession with domesticated everything around them, so they have to grab them, they have to. Grab their fins and touch them and things like that, they want, human wants to domesticate everything. Instead of just letting them be. That's why I don't really like the Ocean Ramsey approach because of that.

• 1:47:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, I mean, it's also a great way to get attention online, swimming with deadly fucking sharks. You know, eighteen foot tiger sharks, you're literally swimming them like face to face with them.

• 1:47:26Danny Jones?

  That's a good way to get engagement on Instagram. Yeah, that was insane, I was watching this live when it happened.

• 1:47:35Danny Jones?

  He got lucky because the shark was probably like checking him out and accidentally got caught in his leash. And pulled him off his board and the shark got freaked and had and got out of there.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's probably what happened.

• 1:47:47Danny Jones?

  But like, you know, the other weird thing about.

• 1:47:49Speaker 01

  With the wave, you can't see him anymore.

• 1:47:52Danny Jones?

  You forgot, then he starts like swimming full speed towards the beach. See him, look at him, he is swimming for his life.

• 1:48:00Speaker 01

  He's like, fuck this, also.

• 1:48:07Danny Jones?

  The jet ski comes and gets him.

• 1:48:15Danny Jones?

  So this dude Andy we just had on the podcast, he uh he went to go take photos of him in Australia like a week after that happened.

• 1:48:23Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:48:25Danny Jones?

  So he was like, he was literally surfing like the week after that in Australia.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  They're fascinating creature, but it's funny that I think they probably get the most fascination out of, there's way more people that die probably by rattlesnakes every year.

• 1:48:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  Grizzly bears and other thing, but you don't see, I don't know, people are absolutely fascinated with sharks.

• 1:48:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but it's like also, most people are on land. Like with those statistics about lightning strikes and car accidents, like yeah, obviously there's way more of those, but you gotta adjust it for like all the people that are in the ocean every day. I don't know how many people are in the ocean every day, but like out of all those people, how many of them get bit by sharks? I bet you it's a higher percentage. And there's also certain parts, there's certain beaches that are synonymous with people getting eaten. Not just like investigative bites or like accidental bites, but people getting literally devoured limb for limb by sharks.

• 1:49:21Speaker 01

  Oh, the Egypt guy will.

• 1:49:24Danny Jones?

  The Egypt one was the worst one I've ever seen.

• 1:49:25Speaker 01

  It's gonna live rent free in my head for the rest of my life. I don't think anybody who saw that footage is ever gonna forget it.

• 1:49:32Danny Jones?

  No, no.

• 1:49:33Speaker 01

  And his mom is calling him.

• 1:49:35Danny Jones?

  His dad, yeah. It's like, dad, mom, help. And then the shark comes up and just takes his head under.

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  That's ugh.

• 1:49:43Danny Jones?

  But and also that happened literally a couple of days before that, like a hundred yards down the same beach.

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:49:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was like the second or third time someone had been killed by, or no, may, maybe the person before got their leg bitten off. But there was at least two or three tiger shark attacks where like it was a catastrophic injury leading up to that. And what they found out was that specific location that there was a pier there where boats were loading up sheep carcasses? And dumping sheep carcasses. Yeah, you can look this up, Steve. Where there was, uh, at this beach in Egypt, they were loading up sheep carcasses, carcasses on these boats and taking them, I don't know how far offshore, probably not far, and just dumping them. So that was probably a huge part of that.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  So it got the shark interested in a different type of meat?

• 1:50:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, Steve, this was like three years ago.

• 1:50:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:50:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't know, but like.

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  I wonder if it was the same shark that ate, that bit the same people.

• 1:50:48Danny Jones?

  It probably was, I would imagine. It was a pregnant shark. And there was footage of the shark swimming around that pier earlier that day and the guys were filming it.

• 1:50:58Danny Jones?

  So she was probably really hungry and there had been sheep carcasses being dumped off the beach right there. And that guy was just in the wrong fucking place at the wrong time.

• 1:51:08Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:51:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know, everybody I know who got bit by a shark, it happened in the Bahamas.

• 1:51:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I heard a lot of crazy stories in the Bahamas as well.

• 1:51:18Speaker 01

  So it's, I don't know if.

• 1:51:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  I mean, there's less carcasses being thrown in the water in Bahamas, probably than Florida, I would think. There's less people.

• 1:51:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  What's happening in the Bahamas that are getting so?

• 1:51:30Danny Jones?

  I don't know, I heard the, I heard that the, the worst sharks, shark attacks I've heard of in the Bahamas are on those pig beaches. Where those pigs are on, on land, you know, where people go take photos of the pigs in the water.

• 1:51:40Speaker 01

  An exoma, really?

• 1:51:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, an exoma, yeah.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:51:44Danny Jones?

  And uh, the one that I recently heard of was a girl that was swimming, just like jumped off the boat at one of those pig beaches there. And a great white just like ate her, or not a great white, a tiger shark.

• 1:51:56Speaker 01

  Tiger shark.

• 1:51:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  So people that I know that got bit in the Bahamas, it was always the same story. It was, they were in the water, they have a fish in their hand and they were talking to somebody in the boat.

• 1:52:10Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  And they got bit from behind. Yeah, which is why when you're in the Bahamas, one of the biggest advice that you give people is as soon as you have a fish, you're holding it up outside of the water until you get to the boat.

• 1:52:25Speaker 01

  You don't just hang out like this.

• 1:52:26Danny Jones?

  With a stringer on your waist?

• 1:52:28Speaker 01

  You definitely never do a stringer in Bahamas, that's insane.

• 1:52:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm scared, I'm scared to do it around here. I have a lot of friends who still do it. I did it all the time when I was young, but I haven't done it in years, just because.

• 1:52:39Speaker 01

  I wouldn't do it here either. Not right now.

• 1:52:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  It's been so shark, the last five years has been so sharky here. There's some summers, then I remember diving here and it was, we got chased out of every single spot we went to.

• 1:52:54Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially in shallower water.

• 1:52:58Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  I mean, we do, it's probably very controversial, but we do, we, we, we have, have a powerhead on my belt.

• 1:53:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:53:08Speaker 01

  Same thing that if I went camping in Alaska, I would have a gun with me.

• 1:53:11Danny Jones?

  Right. So a powerhead, for people that don't know, is basically like a shotgun shell that you put on the end of a, of spear, of a spear gun.

• 1:53:23Danny Jones?

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• 1:53:49Danny Jones?

  And usually people use those for like goliath groupers, right? It's for goliath groupers or sharks, from what I've heard.

• 1:53:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I, I don't see why you would do that in a goliath grouper, but it's, it usually doesn't kill them. It hurts them pretty bad.

• 1:54:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:54:05Speaker 01

  But yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, having a gun on your belt because you're going remote camping in a grizzly area. That's in my opinion is the smart thing to do.

• 1:54:13Danny Jones?

  Very smart thing to do, yeah.

• 1:54:15Speaker 01

  But then, yeah, it's just like we said earlier, you know, when you have the whole period of, of like, well, you're in a shark's habitat, so if a shark eats you, it's fair enough.

• 1:54:26Speaker 01

  And that's the craziness of social media. I know with what I've done with my life, if one day I get eaten by a shark.

• 1:54:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:33Speaker 01

  I know that thousands of people are probably gonna message my parents and my sister, tell them I'm a piece of shit and I deserved it. And that I'm a horrible human being and it's, it's, yeah, it's harder to think about that. I know that people, that if something happens to me spearfishing, that's what will happen to my family.

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  My husband is gonna be told it's good for him and.

• 1:54:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but that's, the thing is, that's like, that's not, that's not like the, that's not the sentiment of most people. It's like a very low percentage of just like psychologically unwell people.

• 1:55:06Speaker 01

  I think it would be the majority of comments.

• 1:55:08Danny Jones?

  Ah, yeah, but the problem with comments is you can't, it's not a, it's not a like a, an accurate slice of the people that are watching that stuff, that are consuming your content.

• 1:55:22Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:55:23Danny Jones?

  Most people, I, I've

• 1:55:27Danny Jones?

  I've left maybe five comments on YouTube videos in my life. And if I ever, if I, most of those, all of those comments were like in support of the person because they were my friend. Like saying, you know, like, fuck yeah, this is awesome or whatever. I've never left a negative comment on a YouTube video in my life. And I don't think I know anyone personally who has either. Most of the people that, that spend their lives on the internet leaving negative YouTube comments are people that are just like stuck in a miserable existence and are trying to fucking get attention one way or the other. Or the other, and they're piling on to something else. Just, they're not normal, they're not, it's not like, it's not a hu, a real human interaction.

• 1:56:11Danny Jones?

  You know, people, those people never say that to your face. Those people don't really mean that.

• 1:56:15Speaker 01

  I mean, actually, I had a conversation about this with, with Joe Rogan and because I was like, sometimes I just like, it's, it's hard, you know? You get called a bunch of names by people and it's just, you have to be really solid mentally to handle that.

• 1:56:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:30Speaker 01

  And he was like, how much followers you have? And I can't, don't remember how much I had then. But like, you, like, do you know how many people would fill an arena with 200,000 people?

• 1:56:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:56:43Speaker 01

  And then you're paying attention to the dumbass at the front who's like, you're a fucking asshole. It's like, why are you doing that? It's 200,000 people here to see you.

• 1:56:52Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:56:53Speaker 01

  Stop focusing of the idiot who has something shitty to say.

• 1:56:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:57Speaker 01

  And I was like.

• 1:56:57Danny Jones?

  200,000 people, that's two football arenas.

• 1:57:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a ton of people.

• 1:57:01Danny Jones?

  If there's 200 people talking shit, like, who cares? That's like a small minority of people who like, they aren't being, they aren't being, they aren't being genuine. They're just trying to get attention by saying some fucking outrageous thing.

• 1:57:14Speaker 01

  But that's, that's, I guess that's not how people are wired. It's, it's just, it's, I mean, if you, everybody tells you, you look awesome in your new dress. And one person is like, eh, this kinda makes you look fat. The only thing that's gonna stay in your mind is that shit, I look fat in my dress. Nobody's gonna focus on the 1900 positive one. But the only one that's gonna stick in your head is gonna be that one.

• 1:57:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:36Speaker 01

  But I think a big part of that problem too, and this is just a theory that I have, is I think that with the, the, when it comes to environment and stuff like that and like, like that bitch is hurt because she's just got eaten by a shark and she's been killing fish. I think that with the decline of religion and Western countries, I think a lot of people replace that purpose with eco activism.

• 1:58:03Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  And I think that it gives them such a purpose to like show up for the weeks and they, they, they think that it's their life mission all of a sudden. And it's the one they see, somebody like, oh my gosh, she's hunting deer, although they eat steaks and they go buy steak at a grocery store. She like, they think that it's my duty to come in this page and say, you're a horrible person, that poor deer did nothing to you. And I was like, so did the pig that you just bought a pack of bacon that came from. But because you put them in their face, they feel this self-righteousness of, of, I need to defend something. Then that's, that's, that's the purpose that people give themselves.

• 1:58:43Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  A lot, and I was guilty of that for many years and by looking at a lot of my own opinions and my own behavior, I managed a lot to, to challenge that. I don't always succeed. Sometimes I do have preconceived ideas and things like that. Like when I see a boat with 2,000 fish in it, my first reaction would be like, holy shit, that's too much fish. And then, give it a second. No, it's not. Like, think about that.

• 1:59:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, a hundred percent. No, you're, you're totally right about that. People try to, we have that, that like, uh, human. Beings have that like God shaped hole in their psyche where they have to fill it with something. If it might not be religion, might not be God, maybe it's fucking climate change, or maybe it's uh, you know, science, or whatever type of activism or thing that they believe in that gives them more meaning. And it becomes like a tribal thing. People do it with UFOs. There's people that treat UFOs like it's their religion. You know what I mean? Like the, we're gonna find out, there's definitely aliens, the government's hiding aliens. This is what it is like. They literally, they turn these things into their entire identity. And I think that's just something that's built into human beings.

• 1:59:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, we all need a purpose and sadly, I think that we

• 2:00:04Speaker 01

  I think that people haven't found the healthy replacement to religion.

• 2:00:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:12Speaker 01

  And I think that's that's

• 2:00:13Danny Jones?

  Well, I think it's technology. I think it's technology that's a big problem.

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  Terrible replacement.

• 2:00:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, the problem, the problem, the biggest problem with it is it keeps people stuck inside. You know, it's everything is based on eh eh every, the, the entire economy is based on convenience.

• 2:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:30Danny Jones?

  You know, you gotta order your Caesar salads, it's gonna be delivered by a robot on wheels. You know, for twenty eight dollars. And it's just like this, this society that we've built based on technology where that's like the the one thing that governs every aspect of our lives from, from our phones to like our computers. I, I can barely escape it, you know, I sit in here and I, I make videos on YouTube for a living. So it's like a lot of the things I pay attention to every day, like in the news and like being educated on stuff like what you talk about is like, I'm attached to technology and people that work fucking shitty jobs and are working paycheck to paycheck.

• 2:01:10Danny Jones?

  Like they're stuck in this rat race and they don't have the opportunity to, to break out of it. So it's like, when are you gonna find the opportunity to go out on a boat and go jump in the ocean or go out into the woods and go hunt an animal or even just go on a fucking vacation, just go on a cruise. You know, a lot of people don't have that luxury. So they're just, they're stuck in this, in this miserable existence and they, they by our, by design, we have to find some, some sort of thing, whatever it is to fill, to fill that. Yeah, we need a purpose and they, they find something and it's probably not the most ideal thing. And

• 2:01:47Speaker 01

  And it makes them very emotional.

• 2:01:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Speaker 01

  On their right. Have you read the book? Why good people divided up politics and religion?

• 2:01:55Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  Fantastic book. It explains

• 2:01:58Danny Jones?

  Why the good people?

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  Why are good people divided by politics?

• 2:02:02Danny Jones?

  Politics and religion.

• 2:02:04Speaker 01

  It's a fantastic book, which explains why the human being. Why do you argue with people pretty much? And how you get so adamant about things, although

• 2:02:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:16Speaker 01

  Do you down, you probably don't even give a shit.

• 2:02:18Danny Jones?

  Right, exactly.

• 2:02:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, it's by Jonathan Haidt.

• 2:02:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, no shit. Yeah, he's great. I'm a huge fan of his.

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  This is a fantastic book.

• 2:02:27Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, it's the same thing. People like, exactly. People fill their identities. They make politics their religion. Whether they're Democrat or they're Republican, whether they fucking love Trump or they love fucking

• 2:02:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:37Danny Jones?

  Obama, you know, they make that, like, politics. And sports. I love the Tim Dillon joke. Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. It's like people that get into politics, they're not like, you don't really wanna model your life after a politician. You know, like, these people aren't that interesting. Politics is like one of the grossest industries. It's one of the grossest industries in, in modern times where like, these people are trying to win a popularity contest, you know, and basically nothing ever changes.

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:10Danny Jones?

  And it's like, why would you wanna base your identity off one of these groups of people? It's just such a weird thing.

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  But it's also you get so, you, you do not have critical thinking anymore. And one of the very fascinating takeaway from this book was that, okay, let's say you have a situation. And I'm gonna try to pick a topic, whatever, that we're like vehemently disagreed with that. And let's um

• 2:03:39Speaker 01

  and let's say, I don't know, let's say something real controversial here. Abortion.

• 2:03:43Danny Jones?

  Abortion, perfect.

• 2:03:44Speaker 01

  Abortion, there you go. I'm a woman, whatever, I think everybody has a right to choose. That's my personal stance. If you for, for whatever you think. And it's something that I extremely believe my whole life. It's the culture of Canada too. And, and I was like, if you asked me 10 years ago, somebody is against abortion, I was like, that person is fucking stupid. I was like, there's no way you can actually think that. And then I was like, okay, you know what? This is my stance, but doesn't mean that having a stance doesn't mean that you cannot understand somebody else's stance. So I was trying to look at different opinions that was against what I was thinking.

• 2:04:27Speaker 01

  And let's say somebody who's, who says, well,

• 2:04:33Speaker 01

  by example, well, I was an accident and my mom taught about aborting, but she didn't. So if she did, then I wouldn't exist. So that's a reason why you can be, I'm like, you know what, it's I believe in you, mom is right, but I understand your point of view. And I think it's a massive difference that people stop doing is there's a difference between understanding a point of view and agreeing to a point of view.

• 2:04:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:57Speaker 01

  It doesn't make you less solid on your point to understand somebody else's point of view.

• 2:05:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:05:03Speaker 01

  It's now I can very easily say, okay, you, you're religious by example and like, you, you're very pro-life and for you not believing in something like abortion is very deep into your core and your value. I understand that.

• 2:05:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:05:18Speaker 01

  Instead of just being like, I disagree. So like, you're a fucking moron.

• 2:05:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  It's, and I think people need to be a little bit better at that, even if it's something that's really, really important to you. And that's a big problem. That's what everybody's freaking fighting.

• 2:05:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's one of the great things that Jonathan Haidt, Haidt is like famous for pointing out how social media is one of the biggest things that's responsible for that. And like the division, the division and how like the algorithms have put us into these echo chambers to where like, if you like specific content, like the way I like shark content, I only get fed shark shit. Like if you like

• 2:05:48Speaker 01

  Did you see Australia just um, they just uh, they forced Meta to give you an option, you can opt out of algorithm now.

• 2:05:55Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  In Australia, I saw that a couple of days ago on the internet.

• 2:05:59Danny Jones?

  I saw something about, they had to pay a lot, I, I saw something that Meta had to now, they have to restrict

• 2:06:08Danny Jones?

  kids access to Instagram.

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  That was the first step. Now you can opt out of the algorithm, which I think is good.

• 2:06:16Danny Jones?

  Way.

• 2:06:17Speaker 01

  Let's say I follow you, right?

• 2:06:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  And then, I don't know.

• 2:06:21Danny Jones?

  You don't get any of my content.

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  I don't mention your name for a year and all of a sudden, you're never gonna be in my feed ever again.

• 2:06:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  And I'm like, wait a minute, like, I, I wanna know what you're up to and why, why, why Facebook, their Instagram decided that I'm not allowed to know what's going on with your life anymore. If I choose to follow you is because I wanna know what's going on in your life. Who are you to tell me that, no, sorry. Here's this influencer from Germany who's showing off freaking handbags today. Like, why? This is not what I pick.

• 2:06:48Danny Jones?

  Right, right. No, it's all, the, the algorithms are just based off making money. It's all it is.

• 2:06:53Speaker 01

  So terrible.

• 2:06:54Danny Jones?

  YouTube works because YouTube wants to keep people engaged on YouTube as long as possible. That's their number one thing they care about. They don't give a shit about. They give a shit about anything, it's keeping people on YouTube. So that's why, if you're watching YouTube video about one thing, you're gonna have that entire sidebar of stuff that's real, according to their algorithm, is most likely gonna get you to watch that, something related to that next and keep you on the site. Not see the people you subscribe to.

• 2:07:19Speaker 01

  On the other hand, everybody that I know that has a fishing channel on YouTube, that got screwed so badly by YouTube and their views plummeted and what was their main income, now they can't live on it anymore because they don't make any money. Because one is a fish being killed or something being killed, YouTube decides that this should not be part of the algorithm and it makes it extremely hard for content creators who build an entire career on something. And I can think about my friend Lauren and my friend Kelly, they've been having super cool channels for a very long time. They worked so hard for their channels and to make really good stuff. And out of the blue, YouTube just decided that fishing content, no, sorry, you're killing something, it's, it's offending people, so you're out of it.

• 2:08:03Danny Jones?

  When did this happen to them?

• 2:08:05Speaker 01

  That was, I think, two, three years ago, maybe.

• 2:08:09Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:08:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:10Danny Jones?

  And they're in the US?

• 2:08:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're in the US.

• 2:08:13Danny Jones?

  And they were just posting like spearfishing videos?

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think one of my friend who has a, it's called, what's this company name? Blacktip Fishing?

• 2:08:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, I know Blacktip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were just watching one of their clips earlier.

• 2:08:26Speaker 01

  So he said, like, out of the blue, his views just start going down and down and down and down and down. And there's nothing he can do to put them up.

• 2:08:34Danny Jones?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:08:35Speaker 01

  It was super successful, all of a sudden YouTube just decides that we're putting the plug. Sorry, too bad for you.

• 2:08:42Danny Jones?

  That's one of the crazy, most, that's one of the most fucked up things about these platforms is they can literally like turn down your reach behind the scenes and not tell you about it. Like, they can't say, hey, you violated this policy, fix it. Or this is gonna happen to you. They can do it without even notifying you. They basically like turn the volume down on your content so less people see it. And that's fucking criminal, if you ask me.

• 2:09:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. And when Mark Zuckerberg went on a Rogan podcast and he said, and Rogan asking point blank, like, is this such a thing as shadow ban? He said, no, that's not true. We don't do that. And I'm like, now I have people that, when they type my name, let's say you follow me and you type Valentine, I should pop up, right? And then there has people that had to type every single, like, they had to type Valentine, Thomas, all the way to DS at the end. Otherwise, my name wouldn't pop up. And even then, I would be like at the bottom of the list. Although that person follows me, they, they decide who you get in front of. And sadly, when you kill stuff,

• 2:09:45Speaker 01

  you are the bottom of the food chain.

• 2:09:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they, they, they apply their own intent to it and they're, they, they think that killing stuff is animal cruelty. That's crazy. That's so hypocritical. It's, it's actual, it's actually, actually Mind numbing how fucking dumb that is.

• 2:10:00Speaker 01

  They control everything. And they hide behind the fact that well, they're private companies.

• 2:10:05Danny Jones?

  You kill animals like you're a girl who goes out and hunts fish.

• 2:10:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:10:10Danny Jones?

  On your own. You're not dragging seventy kilometer nets and like mass slaughtering animals. You don't have a factory where you're slaughtering like thousands and thousands of chickens every day. You you're doing it the way that it's supposed to be done, like the most humane way possible.

• 2:10:28Speaker 01

  But it's upsetting for people, so people, but.

• 2:10:31Danny Jones?

  Because people are so disconnected from it like it's just.

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  But I have to say you're not interested and that's it. So that's what is thing happening in Florida and in Australia. I think it's good. I mean, I don't know. Anybody would.

• 2:10:41Danny Jones?

  Go back. Let's let's read that that Australia news, Steve.

• 2:10:46Danny Jones?

  Australia targets out algorithmic social feeds as it looks to hit big tech harder. Okay, let's read the first part of it.

• 2:10:56Danny Jones?

  Australia plans to give social media users users the ability to switch off algorithm based feeds in proposed legislation. Making the latest move by governments and regulators to rein in big tech this year. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese government said. Tuesday that it's proposing the my feed my way initiative. That's awesome. Which would force social media platforms to allow users over the age of sixteen to either opt into having a feed. That recommends personalized content on an algorithm, uh opt out uh by an algorithm or. Opt out so they can see content from their friends and creators. That is fucking incredible.

• 2:11:33Speaker 01

  Now it's pretty much just on I see it on Facebook and political content. Let's say it is like a like a YouTube guy who's like, uh, he's like, yeah, like. Orange retake should be released type of stuff, then that's gonna give me when it's super political.

• 2:11:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  That sometimes they give you an option we can say I'm not interested.

• 2:11:53Danny Jones?

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, right. That is.

• 2:11:56Speaker 01

  But then I've done that a few times and it keep popping up. So clearly it's not.

• 2:11:59Danny Jones?

  Bullshit. So it's saying social media companies that fail to comply could face up to a hundred and nine. Million Australian dollars equivalent to seventy nine million US dollars, which is absolute, which is nothing to them. That's like. One second of revenue for YouTube.

• 2:12:14Speaker 01

  Don't it just had like a billion dollar fine or something stupid?

• 2:12:18Danny Jones?

  Who did?

• 2:12:19Speaker 01

  Meta.

• 2:12:20Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard. I saw that. What what um? Hang on, scroll down. It's not about giving government control. It's about giving people control. Right. Well, you're giving them the option, right? It's like it's keeping these people in fucking check. Like it's it's the the worst part about the algorithm is like. You're hijacking these the dopamine system where it's like a slot, this dopamine slot machine where it happens to me. It happened to me this morning. I've said I I got a notification on Instagram and once I click on it, it's just like. Before I know it, twenty minutes goes by and I'm like, fuck. You know, and if you could turn off the algorithm, that would probably stop a lot of that shit.

• 2:13:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I try not to have my phone in bed. I move my phone to the bathroom, so that's why it charges overnight. So when I'm in bed and I can't do.

• 2:13:10Danny Jones?

  You put it in the bathroom. Well, that's good because you probably don't get all the electromagnetic frequencies from your phone.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  I know that too. I started seeing yellow dots on the side of my head.

• 2:13:21Danny Jones?

  Yellow dots on the side and like in your visual field?

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then when I started plugging my phone in the bathroom, they went away.

• 2:13:27Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  So I was like, ooh. I was like, I don't know. This is kinda weird. So no, thank you.

• 2:13:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's very weird.

• 2:13:34Speaker 01

  Definitely keep my phone away from my face.

• 2:13:38Danny Jones?

  We got this um, I got this EMF reader which measures electromagnetic frequencies. And we scanned my whole house because apparently um for people I've heard talk to that you can get, there's like lots of health. Negative health side effects of like being around like high electromagnetic frequencies, like if you're around like cellphone towers or.

• 2:13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:59Danny Jones?

  Certain things. Um, so we we we measured every room in our house. And uh, we found out that like near the baby monitors. It was off the charts, like in the millions of. I forget the the wave, some sort of kilo. They measured it in something like wave or volt or whatever.

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  Was it the one that was connected on the wifi or the one that was not connected on the wifi? And is there a difference?

• 2:14:27Danny Jones?

  You're talking about the baby monitor?

• 2:14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:29Danny Jones?

  It was not wifi.

• 2:14:33Speaker 01

  Not wifi?

• 2:14:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's where like it's like you have the app on your phone. Or you can have the one where you have like the other monitor that you have next to your bed. But like, so my wife would keep the baby, her baby monitor on her nightstand, right?

• 2:14:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:45Danny Jones?

  She keep it on like a low level or whatever it was on, like right next to her head. The amount of electromagnetic frequencies coming out of that thing was cooking her like a fucking microwave. So we got rid of that. And so so the baby monitors were the worst. So if you have a baby monitor, keep it on the other side of the room. Or you can use the baby monitor thing. What what she started doing was using the baby monitor app. So the the camera is in the baby's room and she just opens the app on her phone, plugs it in and just. Leaves it open on the low volume at night. So in case like the baby cries, you can hear it. That way you don't get all those crazy EMFs. But yeah, that freaked the fuck out of me.

• 2:15:24Speaker 01

  Is that the same thing on the camera end or it's only in the monitor end?

• 2:15:29Danny Jones?

  Uh, I think it was only on the monitor end. Yeah, I don't think it was that bad on the camera.

• 2:15:35Speaker 01

  It's literally next to my pillow, my baby monitor.

• 2:15:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's cooking you.

• 2:15:40Speaker 01

  How far does it have to be?

• 2:15:41Danny Jones?

  So so at least from like here to. Where that TV is, I would move it away if it's the baby monitor.

• 2:15:53Speaker 01

  I'll have to get up every time I need to.

• 2:15:54Danny Jones?

  But you can buy one of those things. They're pretty cheap. Uh, so they're on Amazon. Type in EMF. EMF reader. Um, yeah, it's definitely worth it going around your house with those things. And uh, so yeah, the worst, the highest EMFs were on the baby monitors and also like power strips.

• 2:16:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:14Danny Jones?

  I had a power strip right under my side of the bed. That's it right there.

• 2:16:18Speaker 02

  There's like a thousand different types, but yeah, forty bucks, fifty bucks.

• 2:16:21Danny Jones?

  Those things, they're great.

• 2:16:22Speaker 01

  Because I know people who have it in automatic settings on their wifi and they disconnect it from like eleven to five AM or something.

• 2:16:30Danny Jones?

  Uh, where the wifi goes out? Yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we got rid of a lot of the wifi shit in the house.

• 2:16:42Danny Jones?

  And um.

• 2:16:46Danny Jones?

  I think it's worth it. I don't know. It's hard to think. It's one of those things where it's like invisible, you know, so you don't really think about it. It's like one of those. One of those things like you can control to a degree of like the shit you eat, right?

• 2:16:56Speaker 01

  And what's the what's the science of how bad it is on you?

• 2:17:00Danny Jones?

  There's not much science. So what it does is electromagnetic frequencies, they open up the blood brain barrier.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:17:08Danny Jones?

  So it allows toxins um or any kind of bad things that are in your that get into your bloodstream or like.

• 2:17:17Danny Jones?

  Mainly like environmental toxins or or anything like that that are that get in your body. The blood brain barrier is very is very important from eliminating that from entering your brain. So what the EMFs do is they open their scientific evidence. They studied this in rats where it does open up the blood brain barrier. So any kind of toxins in your body will get into your brain if you have an extreme exposure to EMFs.

• 2:17:42Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. If there's anything going on in this world, that's not bad for you.

• 2:17:46Danny Jones?

  Well, it's crazy because it's ubiquitous. It's everywhere. There's.

• 2:17:49Speaker 01

  It's everywhere, everything.

• 2:17:51Danny Jones?

  They're putting five G towers on on hotels. All if you drive up and down the beach here, they they they like. Try to hide them on top of hotels where they paint in the same color as the hotel. And I'm sure they're paying the hotels rent to keep them there, but they're it's it's inescapable.

• 2:18:04Speaker 01

  I mean, everything you eat is bad, everything the air is bad, everything is.

• 2:18:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's not that bad. If you get one of those readers and go around your house. It's likely just gonna be bad around like power strips or baby monitors. It's the worst, so.

• 2:18:20Speaker 01

  That's crazy. That's I'm trying to take a lot of those things with a grain of salt.

• 2:18:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  Both of my grandmothers lived to a hundred and a hundred and four.

• 2:18:28Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  And they both have very different lifestyles.

• 2:18:31Danny Jones?

  Sides?

• 2:18:32Speaker 01

  On both sides.

• 2:18:32Danny Jones?

  That's incredible.

• 2:18:33Speaker 01

  One of them, the French one, she drank every day.

• 2:18:38Speaker 01

  Red wine.

• 2:18:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:39Speaker 01

  And she had a little cognac because she's from cognac.

• 2:18:41Danny Jones?

  And a hundred and four.

• 2:18:43Speaker 01

  Uh, that one lived to a hundred and she was, I mean, she ate well though because she lived in France. She went to the market. That's how she get her food and stuff like that. She lived in the countryside. And her body gave up and she was mining clear until the end. And then my grandmother and my mom's side who lived to a hundred and four, she ate a lot of processed food. Didn't drink too much. She was eating like, you know, like the Lipton powder soup and like all that type of stuff.

• 2:19:14Speaker 01

  And her body kept going when her mind declined first. And it's kind, I always find it's interesting to see like two very different person living in two very different.

• 2:19:25Danny Jones?

  Uh, where do they live?

• 2:19:27Speaker 01

  Uh, one in France, the other one in Montreal.

• 2:19:29Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:19:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the human body is really resilient. Most of that, I think most of it's genetics. You know, as much as it's scary, like all the EMFs and all the food shit and all like the the toxic stuff that you hear about, like the microplastics and all that kind of stuff. As scary as that is, and I don't know. I don't know if it's really gonna alter your lifespan that much if you're like generally healthy.

• 2:19:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:00Danny Jones?

  You know, as long as you're not like 500 pounds overweight and completely staying inside 24/7 and not getting any exercise, like I could see how that like co-morbidity could stack up. But if you're generally healthy, I think, I think the human body is a lot more resilient than we give it credit for.

• 2:20:15Speaker 01

  True.

• 2:20:16Danny Jones?

  There's people, I've heard stories, people living into their hundreds that smoke cigarettes every day, you know, like smoke a pack of cigarettes a day, living forever. I know a fricking guy who's like way overweight and smokes two packs of Newport's a day. And like he got a full health screening and he's got like a super strong heart, he's in great shape, he looks like shit. He looks like he's about to die any minute now. But he's like, by all

• 2:20:37Speaker 01

  Tough shape.

• 2:20:38Danny Jones?

  By all metrics, he's like super healthy and his dad lived to like 110.

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:20:43Danny Jones?

  So, yeah, I think it probably has a lot to do with genetics.

• 2:20:48Speaker 01

  Definitely if you have genetics, you have to work harder.

• 2:20:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:51Speaker 01

  For sure. Like this is a, I had a really big fight with my dad during COVID. Cause he was super like,

• 2:21:01Speaker 01

  like you have to like respect everything and like COVID is gonna kill everybody and things like that. And I remember I was getting super angry because I kept working, I kept traveling, I kept doing my thing. And I was like, look, if I catch it, I catch it.

• 2:21:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:21:14Speaker 01

  I mean, I caught it a bunch of times. And but at some point, I told him, I got mad at him. I was like, you are in your late 60s, early 70s, and you don't exercise.

• 2:21:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:21:28Speaker 01

  So I'm like, if you're looking for a potential to kill you, maybe look into closer things.

• 2:21:36Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:21:36Speaker 01

  Than being scared about COVID stuff. And he's been doing Pilates, which would be funny.

• 2:21:42Danny Jones?

  Awesome.

• 2:21:46Speaker 01

  He's like in his senior Pilates group thing.

• 2:21:48Danny Jones?

  That's funny. Yeah, COVID broke a lot of people. That broke a lot of people's brains. They just, people didn't know how to handle that. That's, that was probably one of the most divisive moments in my lifetime in the country, you know, where people, people were more divided on that than anything I can remember.

• 2:22:05Speaker 01

  It was, yeah, Quebec was very intense, extremely intense.

• 2:22:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:12Speaker 01

  It was like very, very, very, very strict.

• 2:22:15Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 2:22:16Speaker 01

  But I think it opened a lot of people's eyes on their own health situation and modification that needed to be done. And hopefully that was good for that.

• 2:22:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's a, it's just, you gotta be skeptical, especially in this country with anything the government tries to shove down your throat. That's just my perspective.

• 2:22:41Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 2:22:41Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 2:22:42Speaker 01

  And it's, it's even everything, even women and pregnancy these days. It's, you know, it's when I turn.

• 2:22:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, God, what's her name? Lindsay Clancy? Seen that?

• 2:22:54Speaker 01

  That's, that's a

• 2:22:57Danny Jones?

  That's like

• 2:22:57Speaker 01

  Rough one.

• 2:22:59Danny Jones?

  Fucking crazy.

• 2:23:00Speaker 01

  I'm glad that it opened the debate on the gravity of postpartum depression.

• 2:23:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:11Speaker 01

  I'm not saying that she does not deserve jail. That's what I'm saying at all. It's, I think it opens a lot of people's eyes on how, I have a friend, she's the sweetest, nicest little human being ever, never gets mad, nothing. And once she had her, I think her second baby, she called her husband at work and she said, you need to change the code on the safe. Because I'm at home and I don't trust myself right now. I'm having weird fucking dark thoughts. And the husband was like, what? So what are you talking about? Like a girl, like zero aggression and her zero like, and

• 2:23:48Danny Jones?

  Like completely out of character.

• 2:23:49Speaker 01

  It went that deep.

• 2:23:51Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:23:52Speaker 01

  And it's, it's, I didn't have that, but it's, it's really showing you how horrible it can be.

• 2:24:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:00Speaker 01

  I mean, if it was postpartum depression and really that she was having and it made her kill her three kids.

• 2:24:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:06Speaker 01

  Jesus. That's like psychopath level.

• 2:24:10Danny Jones?

  Psychopath level. It's hard to comprehend. It really is. It's hard to fucking imagine. But some people just weren't meant to have kids. You know, a lot of people just have kids by accident and they never really wanted kids. And it's kind of like, here I am, this is what I'm supposed to do, I guess. I guess we gotta figure it out like everyone else. But like, maybe they, you know, like, some people just, I believe some people just weren't meant to have kids. Some people don't have that motherly instinct.

• 2:24:39Speaker 01

  Sure. But also, I don't think it's also, I don't think anybody could really walk up to people and say like, you know what? Hey, how are you? By the way, I regret having my kids.

• 2:24:48Danny Jones?

  Right, of course. Right, right. Yeah, totally.

• 2:24:52Speaker 01

  You kind of have to keep it to yourself.

• 2:24:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right.

• 2:24:55Speaker 01

  A little bit, so we don't really hear about it.

• 2:24:56Danny Jones?

  I joke about it with my wife all the time. Cause I, I never had any desire to have kids when I was younger. I was like, I just wanna like do my thing, like have my career, travel, like, I'm not a kid person. My wife was the opposite. She was like, ever since she was young, she's like, I always wanna be a mom. I wanna be a housewife. I want kids, I wanna raise kids, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, that's weird. You don't really talk to find many girls who say that out loud. You know what I mean? Like back, this was when I met her in like 2011. And like, I couldn't have lucked out any better. Because now that we have kids, it's just like the best situation ever. Like she fucking loves being a mom more than anyone. She, when we have friends, she has friends that have kids

• 2:25:37Danny Jones?

  that are just like, it's so funny to see the difference between my wife and like some of her friends where they're just like, ugh, like, my fucking kid's so annoying. Like, I just can't wait. They're finding every excuse. Like, I'm gonna, some of them are like, I need to get a job again. Cause I need, I don't wanna spend any more time with my kids. Like, they wanna go back to getting a nine to five and find a nanny to raise their kids because they just, they don't, they weren't cut out for it, you know? And it's like, for my wife, it's all she wants to do is be around the kids. She, of course she gets annoyed by them like anyone does. And you need your time away, you need your alone time. But, you know, to see the difference in people and, and how they feel about taking care of and raising, spending time with kids is, it's really interesting to me, you know? And

• 2:26:21Speaker 01

  I think your age also probably plays a big

• 2:26:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:26:26Speaker 01

  Like, it's much harder to have a kid when you're older than when you're younger.

• 2:26:31Speaker 01

  That's also gonna be a big problem.

• 2:26:33Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 2:26:33Speaker 01

  Like, when I was 25, three hours of sleep, no problem. I'm kicking the following night, life is good.

• 2:26:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:26:39Speaker 01

  Now, if I slept three hours, I'm not doing too well.

• 2:26:43Danny Jones?

  All right. Right. But you don't get the choice, right?

• 2:26:46Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't get a choice.

• 2:26:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but like, yeah, I don't know, this whole Lindsay, the Lindsay Clancy thing is just like, it's like, all, it's like, all, it's everywhere. It's all, I feel like everyone's talking about that. Everyone's consumed by it right now. And it's like, it's very strange. It's a very strange situation. But it's like, it's, it's just, I always wonder, like, I sometimes I put my tinfoil hat on and I'm like, why is this happening right now? When there's all this stuff happening around the world, like all these like crazy wars that people are protesting and all this, you know, corruption in politics and all this stuff. And like, we have this weird, like super divisive moment that shouldn't

• 2:27:32Danny Jones?

  be that divisive, you know, where you have people just like battling it out on the internet and it's taking over all the feeds. People that are just like, you gotta take something, you gotta go home.

• 2:27:43Speaker 01

  No, sorry, it's my, it's my nanny.

• 2:27:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, is it? Go ahead, call the nanny back.

• 2:27:49Speaker 01

  Sorry, brother. I do have a nanny.

• 2:27:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, especially when you're out of town for a week fishing.

• 2:27:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no.

• 2:27:57Speaker 01

  I'm still at the house, though.

• 2:27:59Danny Jones?

  You what?

• 2:28:00Speaker 01

  I'm at the house.

• 2:28:01Danny Jones?

  What do you mean?

• 2:28:02Speaker 01

  With the nanny.

• 2:28:04Danny Jones?

  You're at the house?

• 2:28:05Speaker 01

  I spent, I spent the day at the house with the nanny.

• 2:28:08Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:28:09Speaker 01

  So we just help each other.

• 2:28:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, when you're home, she comes. Oh, yeah, that's great.

• 2:28:12Speaker 01

  It's the perfect balance, in my opinion.

• 2:28:14Danny Jones?

  We do the same thing. We do the same thing. Like you, you can, you can step out, do your thing, do, come back and like, it's perfect.

• 2:28:21Speaker 01

  Like I can go to my, I can go to grocery store.

• 2:28:24Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 2:28:25Speaker 01

  Without a kid.

• 2:28:26Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:28:28Danny Jones?

  You need your alone time.

• 2:28:29Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:28:31Danny Jones?

  Too much, too much time being surrounded by little people will drive anyone insane.

• 2:28:34Speaker 01

  Especially like going to the gym or

• 2:28:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah. A hundred percent.

• 2:28:39Speaker 01

  Things like that.

• 2:28:39Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:28:42Speaker 01

  I spent the whole summer with my kid and like, without the nanny. And it's, that's probably one of the hardest thing for me as becoming a mom and getting married after,

• 2:28:54Speaker 01

  because I spent the last 10 years traveling to well on my own.

• 2:28:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:58Speaker 01

  And doing what I wanted, whenever I wanted. And then all of a sudden, I'm, I have responsibilities towards people, towards a husband and towards a kid. And it's, it's, I was like, you know what? I'm pregnant. I wanna enjoy the summer alone with my kids. So we can actually do that. And it was, it, it was hard for me. It was not to have a single moment from the time you wake up, all the way to when you go to bed. By the time you put to bed,

• 2:29:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:29Speaker 01

  You know, watching Netflix, you know, watching a movie. You're like

• 2:29:32Danny Jones?

  You're done.

• 2:29:34Speaker 01

  And you do it again and again and again and again and again. It was a

• 2:29:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was about the time I actually stopped spearfishing when I had my first kid.

• 2:29:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It's just you don't have the free Anymore, you know.

• 2:29:46Speaker 01

  So fishing, you leave early and you like, sorry.

• 2:29:50Danny Jones?

  She called back.

• 2:29:52Speaker 01

  Yes, and have a Spanish nanny too.

• 2:29:54Danny Jones?

  You speak Spanish too? That's crazy. How many languages do you speak?

• 2:29:57Speaker 01

  I had to. I became fluent because I spent my whole day with a Spanish nanny. So I had to learn Spanish.

• 2:30:02Danny Jones?

  That's how you learned?

• 2:30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:04Danny Jones?

  Over the last two years?

• 2:30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I'm completely fluent.

• 2:30:08Danny Jones?

  Just by having a Spanish nanny?

• 2:30:10Speaker 01

  I mean, I was speaking Spanish all day long to somebody who didn't speak a word of English.

• 2:30:15Danny Jones?

  Any English.

• 2:30:15Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 2:30:16Danny Jones?

  Did you do anything else to to try to supplement it? Did you like?

• 2:30:19Speaker 01

  Duolingo?

• 2:30:20Danny Jones?

  What is it?

• 2:30:21Speaker 01

  Duolingo?

• 2:30:22Danny Jones?

  What's that?

• 2:30:23Speaker 01

  The app?

• 2:30:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, I haven't heard of it.

• 2:30:26Speaker 01

  That's it. I mean, it's the best thing you can do. Speak every day. So for eight hours a day, I had to explain.

• 2:30:32Danny Jones?

  Impressive.

• 2:30:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:35Speaker 01

  I had to explain baby problems.

• 2:30:35Danny Jones?

  I've been living around Spanish people my whole life and I still can't speak fucking like a Spanish.

• 2:30:40Speaker 01

  But you have the option of not speaking, I'm not speaking Spanish. You know, when I spend in my house, eight hours a day with somebody who's and her ability of learning English, I don't know why, but we're like the absolutely zero. Absolutely zero.

• 2:30:56Danny Jones?

  Not even a word.

• 2:30:57Speaker 01

  I was trying to teach her some words and she like, like grapes. She was like grape. I was like, no. Grape and like she couldn't. So I was like, all right, I'll learn Spanish.

• 2:31:06Danny Jones?

  So freaking crazy.

• 2:31:09Speaker 01

  That's a good.

• 2:31:12Danny Jones?

  What was your first language? French?

• 2:31:13Speaker 01

  French, yeah.

• 2:31:14Danny Jones?

  So you were, you, you were raised to learn French when you were a kid? And then how old were you when you learned English?

• 2:31:20Speaker 01

  About twenty one when I moved to the UK.

• 2:31:26Danny Jones?

  I wonder if it was easier for you to learn Spanish because you already were able to jump from one language to another.

• 2:31:32Speaker 01

  I think it was easier for me to learn Spanish because I speak French.

• 2:31:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, really? You think French is more compatible with Spanish?

• 2:31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's, they brought landing like Latin languages. So there's a lot of words that are very similar.

• 2:31:44Danny Jones?

  French is a Latin language?

• 2:31:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:46Danny Jones?

  Why did I not know that? And let's say. Did you know that?

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  Uh, I know that most languages are divided into like two or three.

• 2:31:52Danny Jones?

  Did you know French was a Latin language, Steve?

• 2:31:54Speaker 02

  No, not specifically.

• 2:31:57Speaker 01

  So that's in Spanish.

• 2:31:58Danny Jones?

  Make me look dumb over here.

• 2:31:59Speaker 01

  In French, a table is feminine. In French, it's also feminine.

• 2:32:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, no way.

• 2:32:04Speaker 01

  But there's, there's a lot of resemblance because of that. So that's.

• 2:32:07Danny Jones?

  That's fascinating. So when you learned Spanish, did you like,

• 2:32:13Danny Jones?

  when you do these languages, when you try to learn new languages, you usually like try to compare one word in one language to another word in another language. Right? So you're like trying like, I'm trying to figure out what does table mean? Table, table.

• 2:32:25Speaker 01

  Mesa.

• 2:32:25Danny Jones?

  Were you, were you going from French to Spanish or were you going from English to Spanish?

• 2:32:29Speaker 01

  English to Spanish.

• 2:32:30Danny Jones?

  English to Spanish.

• 2:32:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I use a lot of Google Translate and I would make myself, instead of just showing it, I was reading it to her.

• 2:32:40Speaker 01

  So that helped a lot. So instead of being like, okay, just read this or like press play and then Google Translate read it for her.

• 2:32:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:32:48Speaker 01

  I was reading it. So if she didn't understand, I have to repeat it until I pronounce it good enough.

• 2:32:55Danny Jones?

  The way you were just rattling that sentence off to her sounded like you've been speaking Spanish your whole life. That's why I'm like.

• 2:33:00Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:33:00Danny Jones?

  I mean, that's crazy impressive.

• 2:33:02Speaker 01

  It's funny because my husband speaks Spanish. So I'm like, so now it's your turn. You should learn French.

• 2:33:08Speaker 01

  No, so far not so good.

• 2:33:10Danny Jones?

  That's fascinating. Wow. Well, um, we just did crazy three hour podcast. So thank you. That was fun.

• 2:33:17Speaker 01

  That's awesome. Thank you for having me. We talked about so many things.

• 2:33:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we did. We covered all the bases for sure. Tell people where they can learn more about your stuff and follow all your social media stuff and all that.

• 2:33:27Speaker 01

  Just my Instagram, Valentine Thomas. And that's it. Um.

• 2:33:31Danny Jones?

  You got any cool, like, are you working on any like documentaries or projects or anything in the future or?

• 2:33:35Speaker 01

  No, I've been scaling back.

• 2:33:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:38Speaker 01

  Uh, especially because I'm pregnant and um, let's see. I've been kind of winding down out of social media.

• 2:33:45Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:33:45Speaker 01

  I still respond to people as much as I can because I think if you take the time to send me a message, I, I try to.

• 2:33:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  Answer questions and things like that, but it's, yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do next year. I don't know yet. It's, it's, I kind of find that spending my whole career depending on comments and like is probably not for me. So I don't, I don't, I don't know.

• 2:34:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:13Speaker 01

  Let's see.

• 2:34:14Danny Jones?

  Well, good for you.

• 2:34:15Speaker 01

  And what did you do with kids too?

• 2:34:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:34:16Speaker 01

  I've been showcase, showcase casting, showcasing my life for the last fifteen years. Now I have kids. Why do I put my kids in there?

• 2:34:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:34:25Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:34:26Danny Jones?

  Well, that's cool. That's brave. Admirable. Cool. Well, we'll look all your stuff below. And thanks again. That was fun.

• 2:34:34Speaker 01

  Of course. Thank you.

• 2:34:34Danny Jones?

  Oh, we have Patreon stuff? No?

• 2:34:36Speaker 02

  Uh, no, we do have one question from Timothy Berry. It's right up there.

• 2:34:40Danny Jones?

  Uh, okay. So you know what Patreon is? So we have people that pay us to uh, get like early access to our episodes and we let them ask like specific questions to the guests. And we usually do them like after the show, but if we only have one, we'll just do it right here. So this guy says, uh, for sustainable fishing, what can ordinary fishermen do to help?

• 2:35:01Danny Jones?

  Very broad question.

• 2:35:02Speaker 02

  Commercial fishermen.

• 2:35:04Danny Jones?

  For sustainable fishing, what can ordinary fishermen do to help? Something about like recreational fishermen.

• 2:35:09Speaker 02

  Yes, recreation.

• 2:35:09Speaker 01

  Just respect the rules.

• 2:35:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:11Speaker 01

  As much as possible.

• 2:35:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:13Speaker 01

  Sometimes you don't disagree with it, but yeah, I guess better be saved and sorry. They finally put recreational into the numbers because they, they discarded for a really long time. Being like, it's not significant enough, but I think they realized it was actually much more than they.

• 2:35:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:35:32Speaker 01

  Thought it would be, yeah.

• 2:35:32Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:35:33Speaker 01

  So it's a lot. The recreational fishing lands a lot of fish every year.

• 2:35:37Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah. Especially the guys that go out every weekend and just like load the boat full of grouper and stuff.

• 2:35:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:35:43Danny Jones?

  So recreational is not, no, that's commercial. Charters are commercial, right?

• 2:35:51Speaker 01

  No, that's recreational.

• 2:35:52Danny Jones?

  Charters are recreational?

• 2:35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  Commercial fishing is when you catch a fish to sell the fish.

• 2:35:59Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:35:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:00Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:36:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And what was the other thing that there is a certain animal that maybe it's elk that cannot be sold commercially? Have you heard about this? There are certain animals that you can like hunt in the United States that when you catch them, it's literally illegal to sell the meat. Like you're only allowed to give it away or keep it for your personal use.

• 2:36:28Speaker 01

  I don't think you're allowed to sell any wild.

• 2:36:32Danny Jones?

  Game?

• 2:36:33Speaker 01

  Game.

• 2:36:33Speaker 02

  Wild game.

• 2:36:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:35Danny Jones?

  Wild game animals like deer and elk cannot be sold commercially for meat in the USA because they're not regulated or inspected as livestock. Additionally, endangered species such as tigers, uh, wild caught exotic animals can't be sold. Well, that's.

• 2:36:50Speaker 01

  I think because of like parasites and things like, because they can't monitor the, the, the, the meat, then they're just not allowed to do that.

• 2:36:58Danny Jones?

  Cause they can't monitor the sea meat that they pull out of the sea either, right?

• 2:37:01Speaker 01

  No. They're definitely not testing every single one of them.

• 2:37:05Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, you would see, that would be a great way to sustain the populations too, to make it so you can't sell it. That way you're not, you could, this industry can't be built up around it, right? It's like a sport.

• 2:37:14Speaker 01

  I mean, let's see, because now, let's see what Trump you think that now he's allowed small farmers to, let's see how that's gonna work out.

• 2:37:22Danny Jones?

  What is that one? I don't even know what that is.

• 2:37:24Speaker 01

  So he just said, he just announced that now small farms are going to be able to process their own meat instead of using the four big meat processor that.

• 2:37:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:37:33Speaker 01

  Monopoly in the US. And now they're going to be able to do it themselves. I don't know how they're going to monitor uh, for uh, safety for eating that.

• 2:37:41Danny Jones?

  That's interesting.

• 2:37:42Speaker 01

  But let's see. But while they would be, I don't know.

• 2:37:45Danny Jones?

  And it might be too expensive for them to do it too, right? It's probably way cheaper to ship it off.

• 2:37:50Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, you're gonna have to equip themselves for processing. That's definitely gonna.

• 2:37:54Danny Jones?

  Lot of money, yeah.

• 2:37:55Speaker 01

  But I think they would make more money at the end.

• 2:37:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 2:37:58Danny Jones?

  So if you can get the investments to do that, then probably better.

• 2:38:01Speaker 01

  Probably. I'm not super. Well, let's see. I mean, hey, if you, again, if you have the privilege of going outside of catching your own, like my daughter just turned two this winter, she's coming with me hunting.

• 2:38:13Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:38:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:14Danny Jones?

  That's awesome.

• 2:38:15Speaker 01

  Actually, maybe, let's see with the baby.

• 2:38:17Danny Jones?

  When are you gonna get her in the ocean?

• 2:38:18Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go hunting, but it's gonna be a little longer.

• 2:38:23Speaker 01

  No, because I don't, I mean, they can't really swim until properly swim until they three. The time she can swim with fins and a snorkel and not cry about it. And we'll probably start with hunting. Also, it's because it's, I have a friend that has.

• 2:38:36Danny Jones?

  You're in Texas too.

• 2:38:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. It's gonna be much easier for me to do that. But um, yeah, let's see how she reacts.

• 2:38:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:43Speaker 01

  I don't think I'm gonna, my grandmother used to tell me stories about when she was a kid and she used to like, her job was to go pick up a rabbit from the yard and then break the neck and bring it inside and

• 2:38:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:38:55Speaker 01

  Remove the skin and how you get, you get these, this, desensitized. I cried like a little baby the first time I went hunting.

• 2:39:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Well, it's so much different killing a mammal.

• 2:39:06Speaker 01

  It is very different killing a mammal.

• 2:39:08Danny Jones?

  You know? Like I've never, like I said, I've never hunted, like traditional hunting, like I've never, actually I take that back. I think I, I think I shot a deer once.

• 2:39:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I did. When I was really young, I, I did like a small little deer hunt one night and then um, but like fish are so much different. You don't have that feeling with fish, you know? They don't have those big doughy eyes where it's like, it doesn't breathe air.

• 2:39:33Speaker 01

  You can have it fun enough when you, when they, and I recently think about it and it was crazy. When you see white around the eyes, you tend to feel more compassion.

• 2:39:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:45Speaker 01

  So like a tuna, for example, a tuna can like look like this and then you're gonna see some white on the sand on the, on the corner of his eyes and then you're gonna feel more compassion.

• 2:39:55Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:39:55Speaker 01

  Because the eyes looks like yours more.

• 2:39:57Danny Jones?

  I didn't know tuna even had whites on their eyes.

• 2:39:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, sometimes I have photos from tuna on my phone and they're just like.

• 2:40:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's something about like, cause it looks like our, if we see something that, that reminds us of us or maybe, or it feels like it's a more human to us or feel more connected to it, if it looks like us. It's like fish, fish don't feel like they have a soul.

• 2:40:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:18Danny Jones?

  Like a grouper or a snapper or something like that, or a fucking barracuda, like they don't, they, they feel soulless. That's my, that might sound very soulless of me to say, but it does, it does feel like that.

• 2:40:30Speaker 01

  You feel it more with bigger fish, I would say. Like a big, big tuna.

• 2:40:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:35Speaker 01

  Then you feel it a little bit more, but.

• 2:40:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:40Speaker 01

  Who knows?

• 2:40:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Well, thank you. That was a marathon podcast. That was fun.

• 2:40:44Speaker 01

  Of course. Thank you.

• 2:40:45Danny Jones?

  We'll look at your stuff below. Good night, folks.

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