Phones Will Cost More, but This Camera Is Free?

In this week's episode the cast is joined by Mariah Zenk and we discuss a phone that feels more like a camera than a phone, why a certain Fuji camera is being given away, everything is a subscription, and we wrap up the episode by explaining some non-tech news in tech terms. Enjoy! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: Apple Creator Studio Carl Pei's Tweet Free Fuji X half This Episode is brought to you by: Monarch: https://www.monarch.com/ Shopify: www.shopify.com/waveform Music provided by: Epidemic Sound Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Mariah: https://www.instagram.com/totallynotabusinessacc/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:18Speaker 01

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• 1:20Speaker 02

  Apple has always charged this much for RAM? Like now, we're sort of like in an area where now-

• 1:27David Imel?

  Their agents were insane already.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  It's like, I was looking it up. Like now, like, sticks of RAM cost about as much as the actual RAM upgrades cost.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  Try doubling the RAM in a MacBook. It's like, that'll cost you another MacBook.

• 1:43David Imel?

  Eight hundred dollars.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:54David Imel?

  And I'm David.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  So this week, in January, we've got Xiaomi 17 Ultra in the house. We'll talk about that. We also might talk about why your smartphone might cost more, maybe. We also have some stuff to talk about with something called the Fuji X-Half, which I'm told is a total bust.

• 2:10Andrew Manganelli?

  We've talked about it on this podcast before.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Well, we'll see.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  And I also want to explain something to you guys in tech terms that I think would be really interesting to try to explain. But first.

• 2:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a but first.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Did anyone see there was a best podcast award at the Golden Globes this year? No, are you serious? Yeah, there was.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Golden Globes website, by the way, is very bad. It's very broken.

• 2:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not surprised.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  That's the least surprising sentence I've heard in a long time. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, Amy Poehler won with Good Hang, which is a great podcast. But I think as a podcast, it's only fitting for us to ask for your help. I had no idea how the Golden Globes work. I actually don't really know what the Golden Globes is about, if I'm being honest, or what form of media they award, because now there's a podcast. But listen, it's been my dream ever since I was a little boy to win the Golden Globe. So I think we need waveform to win a Golden Globe in 2027. How do we do that? I don't know. You as the audience can help us, but this is our plea.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  You're supposed to apply. I think it's on you.

• 3:17Andrew Manganelli?

  We can apply?

• 3:18Speaker 04

  I think you're supposed to apply.

• 3:19Andrew Manganelli?

  My bad. We're applying next year.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, first of all, these shows are always like, I'll be doing something on a Sunday night or whatever, and I'll get a news notification and be like, the Emmys are about to start. And I'm like, I don't care at all. Sorry. But that happened with the Golden Globes, and then I was made aware of the new podcast category.

• 3:39Andrew Manganelli?

  It would be so funny to see all the tables of celebrities and then just us twiddling our thumbs.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  But that's the thing, like, who else was nominated for best podcast for a Golden Globe? Was it actually good podcasts, or was it just celebrities who are at the Golden Globes who also happen to have a podcast?

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Good Hang with Amy Poehler, Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard, Call Her Daddy with Alex Cooper, The Mel Robbins Podcast with Mel Robbins, Smartless with Jason Bateman, Will Arnett, and Sean Hayes.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  And they're like an OG.

• 4:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And Up First, so Up First is in there.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  NPR.

• 4:07Andrew Manganelli?

  NPR, and then, I mean, Call Her Daddy did start as a podcast. The rest of them are pretty much.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  It's a podcast.

• 4:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I know, it started as a podcast. It's like where everything else-

• 4:17Speaker 02

  What does it mean it started?

• 4:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm saying everyone else is a celebrity that made a podcast. Call Her Daddy is a person who got super famous because she started a podcast.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  I mean, we're a podcast. We're also a YouTube channel. We're a talk show. We're also a YouTube video.

• 4:30Andrew Manganelli?

  We're gonna be at the Golden Globes next year.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  I'm not entirely sure what they are, but yes, Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys, Oscars, and whatever the other ones are. We should be in all.

• 4:41Andrew Manganelli?

  The game, video game awards.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  According to Wikipedia, we have to be one of the top 25 most listened to podcasts to have been-

• 4:49Speaker 01

  On what platform?

• 4:50Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Still the most nebulous, yeah.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  It's according to their data partner, Luminate, that decides, based on analytics.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  Podcasts, I think, is the top 25.

• 5:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Podcast numbers are such a black box. Nobody knows what they are.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and nobody's willing to show the numbers. Let's just have Amy Poehler on our podcast and then we'll be fine.

• 5:09Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be awesome.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Well, I want to show you guys this phone real quick. So I'm working on a video about this. We already reviewed the Xiaomi 17 Pro and Pro Max, which were, let's be honest, iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max clones. It's design-wise anyway, but then they added a bunch of other features and the theme was really cool because they one-upped the iPhone. This, very different. This Ultra, it's basically just a camera. It's a camera phone. It's made by Leica. I unboxed this phone on camera. It came with a case, a lens cap, a microfiber to clean the lens, and a lanyard to like, use it like a regular camera. It says the word Leica more than it says the word Xiaomi. It says it over here, it's a Leica camera. Over on the back, it's a Leica camera. On the lens, it's a Leica camera. And by the way, it's a Xiaomi. Like, that says a lot about what's going on here.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Well, Leica did have a Leica phone, but it was notably really, really bad. They made two generations of it and it was terrible. So that's what's cool about this phone is I am mostly interested in the camera experience. It has Leica modes and like, obviously very high-end hardware and it takes really good photos and videos. But it also is a Xiaomi flagship phone, so the rest of the phone happens to be really good too. It's a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5. It's got 6800 milliamp hour silicon carbon battery, a really bright 6.9 inch 3500 nit display- 120 hertz, 90 watt fast charging, so it's a Xiaomi flagship still. But it's got all this camera stuff and maybe the most interesting part, which I'm going to talk more about in the video, is this ring around the lens does turn and it has function.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  It click launches the camera app and then once you're in the camera app, it's probably zoomed in on my phone right now.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  That is way better than camera control. Yeah, it's a, well, at first you would think that it is, it is. But it, I think, might be a little bit of a novelty because I liked it at first. I thought it was really fun. But then I saw, I've been using it slowly less and less. Except for certain cases, it's, it's fun. You can map it to EV, yeah, you can hold it. They can map it to like EV control or shutter speed or just zoom or whatever in different modes. Do you have a sure with it? Uh, you could do that. So in pro mode, I think it's, or in video mode, it changes your exposure value. In regular photo mode, it just zooms in and out. Uh, and it's just a smooth turning wheel, but there's a haptic click.

• 7:29Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, the haptic is really good. I was not expecting that.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Pretty convincing. Oh yeah, wow. So it's nice. It feels like a little ratcheted click. Yeah. So it's cool, but uh, you know, when you just hold the phone and use it like regular, your finger sometimes bumps that camera ring and you feel some random haptic clicks sometimes, which is a little bit annoying.

• 7:47Andrew Manganelli?

  The other thing is like, when you're generally adjusting focus or zoom on a lens, it's like, uh, the lens is long enough that you've got some room to play with. This, when I go to use it, I'm using my thumb and index or middle finger and I'm immediately putting my pinky right in front of the lens.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Yep, that's, that is a, that's something I've noticed more and more. So I, I love the idea of just making a smartphone that is all about the camera and that's mostly what I'm focusing on for this. But it is kind of funny that this is not the best camera. It does not seem like the best camera. And it's not the best camera experience, but it might be the most fun camera experience. Like having, having a lens cap that you can throw on the end of your phone, having all these fun modes, this Leica Essential Mode and all this character and fun that you can throw into your photos and videos. It's very capable and it's very fun and versatile. Uh, and I've taken some fun shots already. I'm going to keep shooting with it over the weekend, but yeah, it's just, it's an interesting Xiaomi 17 flagship. Yeah, just taking a couple of photos. This is not.

• 8:52David Imel?

  A good camera.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  I think it's an okay, I think it's a B+ camera. I think it's weirdly, maybe not as good as the Xiaomi 17 Pro Max.

• 8:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  But it has way more fun stuff that you can do with the camera. In photos, videos, in the camera ring, in accessories and all that fun stuff.

• 9:08David Imel?

  Right.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  So, that's, that's what it's about. And it's just Leica everywhere. I'm surprised, I'm not that surprised, but I'm kinda surprised how much. I think it's called the 17 Ultra by Leica.

• 9:20David Imel?

  Okay.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  And then there's Leica on the box, like on the case, on the accessories, on the phone, in the software.

• 9:25David Imel?

  So it has a live cinematography feature, which is in the camera app. And there are different things that you can do with it. So one of them is red carpet where it slow zooms in on you.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 9:36David Imel?

  There's a portrait, uh, there's freestyle, which... It doesn't really describe what any of these things are. It just kinda shows little mini videos.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:46David Imel?

  There's Ultra HDR Live, which sounds terrible.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's all kinds of features that are just kinda like them throwing everything at the wall.

• 9:54Andrew Manganelli?

  The tooling on the rails is, there's like grooves and just the etching of the Leica made by Germany is all really nice.

• 10:02David Imel?

  Oh.

• 10:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Ooh, that sounds like a zipper.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  That's the side of the phone.

• 10:04David Imel?

  That kinda makes my back tingle.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Oh, I might do a short ASMR with this. This is pretty fire. But yeah, it's, it's interesting.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  So Leica just put out that iPhone app called Leica Lux.

• 10:16David Imel?

  Yeah, Leica Lux.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  That's the manual, oh, has put out for a bit, well, Leica has an iPhone app. That is a manual camera sort of, sort of thing.

• 10:24David Imel?

  Which is very good, by the way.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  But it's iPhone only, so I'm curious if this phone has some of the Lux functionalities built into it.

• 10:31David Imel?

  It doesn't seem like it does.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  This has Leica Essential Mode on the side, and like, Leica, a bunch of different, like, uh, monochrome, not filters, but like literally image processing modes.

• 10:41David Imel?

  All right, here's the thing.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  That look like a Leica.

• 10:43David Imel?

  There are many different, like, wings of, like, arms of Leica, right, as a company? There's like the licensing wing, there's like, there's, when you go to like a Qualcomm Snapdragon Summit event and they're talking about the new chip, they have someone from, like, the Leica software portion of Leica that comes on and... Says, oh, here's how we optimized for these like a looks on this. That's like a totally different wing of the company than the camera portion of the company. Cause there's licensing, there's this, this, this. To me, this kind of just feels like it's primarily licensing with like maybe one or two people that are like, hey, we can optimize this for the like a look, but it's probably not like the main brand that's doing most of this.

• 11:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, if you ever want to edit your photos, Apple just introduced Apple Creator Studio.

• 11:30David Imel?

  Well, but you can't really edit photos in the Creator Studio.

• 11:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, somewhere.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  You got Pixelmator.

• 11:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Have you ever used numbers?

• 11:35David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, Pixelmator.

• 11:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 11:37David Imel?

  Have you ever used numbers?

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Like editing a photo where every pixel is one cell in a spreadsheet.

• 11:43David Imel?

  Or Marquez, who edits his thumbnails in Final Cut Pro.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know. So, okay, Apple introduces the Creator Studio Suite, which is not anything new as far as the apps you use, but it is bundling a bunch of Apple's apps into one thing that you pay a subscription for specifically 13 bucks a month or about a hundred thirty dollars a year. And it comes with a bunch of apps that are pretty expensive as standalone apps, which is cool. I remember I paid, I think, four hundred dollars or so for Final Cut Pro like a decade ago.

• 12:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  And I've gotten all of the updates since then. I've never paid more than once. It's on every single one of my Macs.

• 12:21David Imel?

  It's three hundred bucks.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  It's an incre- for me, that's an incredible deal for me for how much I use Final Cut Pro, right? So if you use a bunch of these apps, then it's maybe a good deal or something to consider. The other interesting thing about this, the more you look into it, and I had to, you know, clarify some of this with Apple and by reading the press releases, there will be some features like AI features or like premium content built into some of the subscription versions of the apps

• 12:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  that are not in the standalone versions of the apps. Specifically, the productivity apps, not the creative apps, will get this, this like premium content or AI stuff.

• 13:01David Imel?

  Yeah, keynote pages and free form are going to get Apple Intelligence features that are, that are specific to Creator Studio.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I was curious about like Final Cut Pro because they announced a couple of new things like beat matching cuts or like being able to search through an automatically transcribed video to go to a certain place on your timeline, stuff like that. All of that stuff is coming to both the subscription version and the standalone version. So I was like, okay, are you gonna make me switch to a subscription for Final Cut even though I've been getting all the features for the last decade? Currently, the answer is no. It's gonna be on both versions.

• 13:33David Imel?

  Thank you for saying currently.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  So I'm giving Apple the credit now, because if, you know, you see a lot of companies go, alright, it's a subscription. Adobe. Well, you basically don't own the software. You constantly have to pay for it. And Apple has had a pretty rare thing for a long time with apps like Final Cut Pro, where you buy it once, it's on all your computers, infinite updates forever. That's amazing. And they're not, like, shelving that. Like, that's staying around.

• 13:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  So if you don't need Motion Compressor, Keynote, all these other apps, if you just need Final Cut Pro and Pixelmator like me, you can just buy one app and get infinite updates forever, and that's still, that's still a thing. So I'm happy about that.

• 14:11David Imel?

  It's infinite updates for the one time they update it every five years.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, they update Final Cut with every OS, basically, with like a, like one or two.

• 14:19David Imel?

  One or two features.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  I think the, the, the magic mask thing was the last significant thing. Yeah, magnetic mask they added was the last, like, impressive thing they added to Final Cut Pro.

• 14:28David Imel?

  Totally, totally.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:29David Imel?

  Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in DaVinci Resolve that I think they really could compete with.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:34David Imel?

  I don't know, Apple really needs to get this going. Their services game, they've been trying to beef up, because they are terrified of the world where the iPhone is not their main money driver anymore. So they've been doing a good job in general of beefing this up, and I think it makes sense for them to, like, want recurring revenue, especially since these apps, you know, $300 permanently, one time. Honestly, like, it feels crazy that we are even able to buy software once anymore. Like, that seems magical that you can buy Final Cut one time for $300. It is a lost art.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:06David Imel?

  But this does make it a lot more affordable, and generally, I'm, like, very against monthly subscription stuff. But I think the really interesting thing is that students, if you're, if you have an EDU account, or you, you know, are your student, it's $3 a month, or $30 a year.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  That's a huge discount.

• 15:19David Imel?

  Very cheap.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  I feel like the student discount's usually, like, 10% off or something.

• 15:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  This is a massive discount.

• 15:25David Imel?

  There's some good ones. This is also awesome, because, like, if you're going to school and potentially doing this, maybe you do it.

• 15:32Andrew Manganelli?

  For a year and then you're like, oh, I'm going to go into this professionally. I should buy the one time thing.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause I'm going to be using this for a really long time.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  That's a really good, now that I'm thinking about it, a great strategy from Apple. Like if the most important customer to you is someone who is beginning their life as like a working professional, or they're about to start learning creative apps. You want this to be the best deal, the obvious go to, so that these people are like used to your apps. And then they grow, they grow up and they pay a little more, but like you want the customer first.

• 16:01David Imel?

  Well, that value is even better because the iPad version of Final Cut is a $5 a month subscription. And so is the iPad version of Logic. So if you're only paying $3 for everything and it includes, it includes the iPad versions, the Creative Studio.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  That's no brainer.

• 16:18David Imel?

  Yeah. So it is like, you're saving a ton of money if you're doing that. But even the regular version that's 13 a month, like if you are already paying the, the $5 for I, for the iPad Final Cut and the $5 for the iPad Logic, that's 10. So it's an additional three.

• 16:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, even this is still a great, even the 12.99 a month, like you might just be like, all right, I want to start doing some editing stuff. Pay for two months is still better than $300 just to try it and then figure it out and decide.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  I'm asking someone who's watching this podcast to do the math for me. Add up the prices of buying one time, all of these apps.

• 16:52David Imel?

  How many months?

• 16:52Speaker 01

  And then how many months does this become a, a bad deal? Like the subscription for the first month, you win. For the second month, you win. For as many months as you've paid less than it costs to have access to all these apps, you win. But somebody watching this has a calculator and they can find the total value of all the software and how many months it would take.

• 17:09David Imel?

  Years.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  It's probably a pretty good amount of time.

• 17:11David Imel?

  Yeah. As long as they don't jack up the prices every year, like every subscription service.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  They, I hope they keep it this way. Cause like Final Cut's been the same price for forever.

• 17:20David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  For reference, the Adobe Creative Cloud subscription is $25 per month for a student.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  So it's probably eight times the price of the Apple one.

• 17:31David Imel?

  And the regular one, to be fair though, like, Apple does not really have competitors to every Adobe app in terms of quality and professionalism.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:42David Imel?

  You just like Pixelmater is Pixelmater and it's really good for what it is and they bought it.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Motion is not After Effects.

• 17:47David Imel?

  Motion is horrible. Yeah. Motion is not After Effects.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Motion is not After Effects.

• 17:51David Imel?

  A lot of these are very, very, like, a lot of people use Logic Pro. So, there's that. But many of these are not true competitors to Adobe's app suite.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Logic Pro's a weird one because it's, like, I use it for almost everything here, but there's definitely a lot of professional work that it does not have the features that are required. That being said, it's the only app on here that Adobe, like, does not, like, audition.

• 18:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  You're using Audition?

• 18:20David Imel?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, Final Cut is kind of in a similar place. Like, it's really good for what I use it for. We use it a lot here at the studio. But there is an Adobe equivalent. I mean, Premiere is Premiere and After Effects is in a totally different league from Motion. So like, you could be swayed to the more expensive one if you need After Effects. But yeah, I kind of wonder what kind of person uses a bunch of these apps? Like, I only use two of them, me personally. I use Final Cut and Pixelmater.

• 18:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Somewhere out there, there's a creative professional who also uses Logic and Motion for some reason?

• 18:54David Imel?

  I don't know about that.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  And Keynote?

• 18:56David Imel?

  Does anyone use Motion?

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Shout out to that creator.

• 18:57David Imel?

  Well, that's the funny thing is like, doesn't Keynote and, don't all of those apps, like, Keynote and, what is it? Numbers? Those come pre-installed on your computer.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess you get the like...

• 19:08David Imel?

  So you just get the AI-ification versions, which we don't even know what that's gonna look like yet.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  I want to know what they're adding to Freeform.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, what is Freeform?

• 19:15Speaker 02

  I love Freeform. Like, between Freeform, I think Freeform and Reminders are the two, like, Apple-included apps I use the most now.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, Freeform, this is, oh, okay.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Freeform, it's Apple Figma. We don't, I do.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  You do?

• 19:30Speaker 02

  I love...

• 19:30Speaker 01

  You use Freeform?

• 19:31Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I love Freeform.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  I thought you were sarcastic.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  This could be for you then. Cause you use Logic and, it's two apps right there.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  I own Logic.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you use Pixelmater?

• 19:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Do you use Keynote?

• 19:42Speaker 02

  No.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Final Cut?

• 19:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Well, you know, speaking of subscriptions... There's also some news in the subscription world. Mostly, it's just that Tesla FSD is now going to no longer, I think on February 14th, no longer be offered as a single payment. It will only be a subscription. So I think it was, I don't even remember. It was a couple thousand dollars to add it on to the price of your car if you didn't want to pay the subscription to have FSD on that car.

• 20:05David Imel?

  It was many thousands of dollars.

• 20:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I think a couple thousand selling it, sure.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  No, like eight, like it was.

• 20:10David Imel?

  It went up to like 15K at one point. It fluctuated a lot.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, fluctuated. Way more palatable for it to be $99 a month, but also it's, you have to pay every month. So again, you'll do the math on how long you have to own that car for it to be not as, I mean, it doesn't matter anymore because you can't do the one-time payment, but that, that is a new subscription.

• 20:29Andrew Manganelli?

  One thing I saw is, I guess, one positive of this is if you're paying for a subscription, it quote unquote transfers to cars, right? Because previously if you're doing a one-time payment and you sell that car, it goes with the car for whatever stupid reason.

• 20:44David Imel?

  It was so stupid, yeah. It was like if you bought it permanently, it was locked to your car. So if you sold the car, you couldn't get it on, if you bought another Tesla or whatever.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  But it would, it would mean you could sell the car for more.

• 20:56David Imel?

  Yeah, which is what Tesla does with their leases, because they don't let you buy out a lease. So what they do is like you lease the car, you give it back to them, they activate the full self-driving, and then they sell the car as like a, as like a pre-leased car, but with full self-driving.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Which costs more.

• 21:11David Imel?

  They sell it at full retail value.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 21:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Sick.

• 21:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 21:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I love subscriptions.

• 21:18David Imel?

  Subscriptionize my life. Well, speaking of things that may or may not have subscriptions, we're not really sure yet. Uh, Apple has formally come out and announced that they are going to be using Gemini to power the new Siri. Yeah, if you guys remember properly, uh, two years ago now, when they announced the new Siri that we all got very excited for. Uh, we didn't really know how it was gonna go, but then, you know, they had the OpenAI partnership where you can, you know, ask ChatGPT and you can send queries to ChatGPT. People are like, is ChatGPT gonna be on-device? And is it gonna power the Siri features? We're not really sure. Now, Google and Apple have issued a joint statement that say that Apple did a blind test and that Gemini

• 22:03David Imel?

  provides the most capable foundation for our foundation models, which is ironic and funny. Yeah, they're also gonna be running on Apple's private cloud compute, so queries won't get shared to Google and stuff like that, which is nice, and they get deleted off Apple servers. We're still apparently supposed to see it this year. The rumor is that in the spring, some of the features will start to trickle out, and then the full-fledged "this is what it's doing" is gonna come out at WWDC only two years late. And I hope they also roll back liquid glass, but that's another conversation.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're not gonna do that.

• 22:35David Imel?

  Let's talk about this a little bit. You made a whole video about this.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  I made a whole video about this. There's a lot of interesting thoughts floating around about what this could mean and what it definitely means. I think the most interesting one to me is Siri. Okay, it's actually gonna finally have... Because we keep talking about Siri. There's a whole bunch of Apple Intelligence stuff. We're just talking about the LLMs and the foundations behind Siri. Siri: Bad now. Siri could be good soon. Exciting. And it will be able to do all these things that Gemini is already doing and is already good at, which is very exciting. What else will Apple add on top of it? Because I don't know, it's not gonna just be a one-to-one clone. It's a foundation model, and then they build a bunch of stuff on top of it to obviously build things like that feature

• 23:23Speaker 01

  from the commercial they deleted, where you ask Siri about some appointment or whatever, and it remembers where you were at a certain time on your calendar, whatever that was happening. Like, they gotta build stuff on top of it and make their own features. What are those going to be? We'll see. The other one is, what else, aside from the LLMs, would this help with? Because I brought up in my video "circle to search", which might touch this, might not touch it at all. But as of right now, the Apple Intelligence feature, where you do a visual search of what's on your screen, just does a Google Image search, which is pretty basic. But what if it had all the Gemini goodness, and you did true circle to search, just like Android, and it could search anything? It could search an image and know what type of dog breed it is, or what map location that event is happening at, or all these other things.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  I think that would be really interesting to keep an eye on.

• 24:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  And then the other question is, what happens to the OpenAI integration with ChatGPT? Because as of right now, the way it works is, this is like very bolted on to the side. Siri does Siri things, and if you ask Siri a question that is too complicated, or have multi-step, or whatever, and ChatGPT would be better for it, which is lots of things, it will literally ask you, hey, can I, can I use ChatGPT to do this? And you say yes, and then it does that query. But if you're getting the Gemini foundation model, and Siri gets this huge LLM reboot, it will theoretically not ever have to kick out to something it can't do anymore.

• 24:46David Imel?

  Right.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  So why would we have the OpenAI partnership anymore at all?

• 24:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  So we'll see what happens with that.

• 24:53David Imel?

  I don't think we've ever really discussed how insane it was that in the Settings menu of your iPhone, you could open a login portal to the OpenAI ChatGPT login website.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  It's pretty crazy.

• 25:03David Imel?

  In the Settings menu of your phone. That's crazy.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:08David Imel?

  You still can. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, like, it's an insane thing that they did.

• 25:12Andrew Manganelli?

  When they announced all this and the ChatGPT integration, am I remembering correct that they said there would be other models that you could choose to answer some of the questions in the future? And that that would be a choice you could have?

• 25:23David Imel?

  So at the event at WWDC, there was a Q and A afterwards, and they said Gemini will be an option in the future, which never happened.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:35David Imel?

  But if they're using it as a foundation model, theoretically, you wouldn't even need to do your whole model picker thing.

• 25:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I wonder, well, I guess my wonder was, if they're trying to portray this choice that you have.

• 25:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 25:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Would they keep a ChatGPT as an option to throw out to, or have other options in the future? I doubt Google wants that to happen. I think most people will think right now, like,

• 25:58David Imel?

  Default?

• 25:58Andrew Manganelli?

  ChatGPT, OpenAI is going out the window.

• 26:00David Imel?

  Yeah, probably. It's just too much complexity. I think that they just don't want consumers to have to go through the whole model picking thing.

• 26:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 26:07David Imel?

  It's a lot. It's better if it's just behind the scenes, and it just does stuff, and you don't even have to think about it.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 26:12David Imel?

  And that's how it is a deal for most people.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sure Apple wants it to be as behind the scenes as possible. They'll make this announcement. Dub double mentioned it and they probably never mentioned Google's name ever.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  It was, it was a small of an announcement as they could make. This wasn't a newsroom post. This was like they gave one quote to one outlet.

• 26:28David Imel?

  It was on the Google keyword blog, but the blog was.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Well, Google made their post and then Apple didn't make a post.

• 26:32David Imel?

  There was no.

• 26:34Andrew Manganelli?

  We agree. Yeah, there it is.

• 26:35David Imel?

  Yeah, it's a joint statement from Google and Apple on the keyword and it was two paragraphs.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was as small of a splash as you could make.

• 26:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  So, uh, and then I made a video about it, so there it is.

• 26:46David Imel?

  It is crazy though, because like you would assume Apple is very, very used to making their own versions of things because they don't like relying on other people. And the most that they've relied on other people is using Google search for things, which they, you know, notably, there was a lot of money that was flowing between those companies, which then they got sued for. So it seems like they would be less likely, especially for like the future of the iPhone to be powered by a Google model. It's going to be a recurring deal that they're going to have to keep making with Google until the end of time. Like it doesn't seem like Apple is investing in making their own L L M.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  So here's, this is the, the last thought I had about this is how much does that really matter? Like if we, I know we can't do this, but let's take the money out of the equation. Okay, you're using Siri. It's falling back on a device, a, a model on the device that happens to have been made by Google. Cool. That doesn't mean new users for Google. That doesn't mean new info or data for Google. It just means that that's where it came from.

• 27:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  And Apple still retains the user. They still have the, well, they control the user interface and everything. And so you, so if one day it happened to switch to Chat G P T and if that's just as good as Gemini, the user shouldn't notice. It will still not have any of your history because it's not like feeding any data to that company. It's not any flow of users from Google to Open A I. It's just the user keeps using Siri and it just keeps working. So how much does it actually matter outside of the financials that they picked Google?

• 28:17David Imel?

  Yeah, there's a lot of question marks because they have their private cloud private cloud compute thing, which is supposed to like not keep a lot of your queries and all that stuff. But at the same time, part of the new Siri features is that it remembers things about you. And then it dynamically like suggests you things and puts things on your calendar for you. So that's something in which it's going to have to like retain a certain level of information. And then the question mark that I have is like, is that information just retained locally on the device? And can that easily pass to a new model that gets pushed to the device?

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Probably not pass to a new model, but I think that will be the idea is like, Apple builds all their functionality on top of this model that happens to be Gemini. But the point of it being Gemini is it's just way more information and way smarter. So then, yeah, they can build their like, look into the users apps and have all this data happening locally and be really helpful. But like, that's not showing up as like a Google user or anything like that. It's just a statement that Google is the best one and that's the one they picked.

• 29:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Which is like a big deal for people who follow the race and which one's better, which one's number one. But after that, it's like, yep, okay, Siri's gonna be better now. Great.

• 29:25David Imel?

  It is interesting that Apple didn't decide to invest in this this whole AI race compared to everybody else. Everyone thought they were gonna buy Anthropic for a long time.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  That would be an investment.

• 29:33David Imel?

  They should have done that like two years ago. I don't think Anthropic would sell to them at this point, but.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a it's a statement about how much Apple believes that this AI race is actually a meaningful race to be involved in.

• 29:48David Imel?

  Correct, yes. Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  I mean, if they they never decided to build and ship a search engine, that just means they figured it was never gonna be worth it to Apple. That doesn't mean they don't think search engines matter. That just means they don't think it's worth it to be involved in that business.

• 30:02David Imel?

  Well, and the metaverse, remember, like, they were like, they already got.

• 30:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Fire half or didn't Meta just fire a huge amount of people?

• 30:09David Imel?

  Yeah, they they.

• 30:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause they're just like giving up on the metaverse.

• 30:12David Imel?

  A bunch of funding to the metaverse division and there's like 100 people that are still using it. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, Apple didn't notably did not invest in that for because they thought it might just be a fad. And then they notably did not invest in AI because they thought it might just be a fad, or at least the LLM like hype wave. Uh, now I think that they're like, okay, well, we have to do this. But it's still surprising that they haven't tried to build up their own infrastructure.

• 30:37Andrew Manganelli?

  It's also on the back of like. It's not just a fad, it's a fad that could potentially help a product that they've had that's been terrible for a while. So like, I guess it links a little closer. But at a certain point, people are still buying iPhones and using garbage Siri. Is it easier to just continue to be like, no, no, Siri will be good one day?

• 30:56David Imel?

  Yeah, and how many regular users actually are like, oh, Siri's bad and that's why I'm gonna buy a Google phone? Like, I don't really know how much

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Very few people. But I think Apple at least sees the writing that there are people who are like, look at all these cool things that Circle of Search and Gemini and all these AI like built in features on Android phones is doing. At least we can match that, just to make sure that's not a reason why you're leaving the iPhone.

• 31:20David Imel?

  And the fact that they announced it very publicly and made advertisements around it and then haven't been able to deliver.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 31:26David Imel?

  Very embarrassed.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Clearly planned on delivering.

• 31:29David Imel?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. The only other connection I can make between businesses slash fads that Apple has decided not to invest in, which at this point is just search engines and their AI foundation models.

• 31:42Andrew Manganelli?

  And multiple wireless chargers in one.

• 31:44David Imel?

  And the metaverse.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Well, I guess between those two is

• 31:47David Imel?

  Air power.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  They, those two are reliant on all of this data. And Apple's thing

• 31:55David Imel?

  Yeah, it's privacy.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Is privacy and not sharing user data.

• 31:59David Imel?

  For sure.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  And so if you're Apple and you're going, should we invest a ton in building our own foundation models and competing with OpenAI and all these companies that are just inhaling data?

• 32:10Speaker 01

  No, because that's not in the wheelhouse of like how they make money or what they do. And same with a search engine, like, Apple could build the UI to a search engine, sure, but all the other things that make a search engine good are not things that Apple really does.

• 32:28David Imel?

  Yeah, Google makes money on data, they don't care about the pixel. Apple makes money on the iPhone, they don't care about the data.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:35David Imel?

  And that is, that is basically it boiled down.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:38David Imel?

  Yeah, we got more to talk about in the future, including why things are more expensive.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 32:45David Imel?

  Probably. Welcome to every day of the week.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  But before that, trivia.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Also, Mariah's here.

• 32:55David Imel?

  Hi.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 32:56Andrew Manganelli?

  She spoke a couple of times.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  I'm assuming trivia might, might be coming from Mariah today.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  But not yet.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Uh, this question is inspired by a listener of the show I ran into in the city yesterday named Sam, who is an architecture student. So everybody say, hi, Sam.

• 33:13David Imel?

  Hi, Sam.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Architecture.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  And in researching possible architecture questions, I found something really funny, not just about architecture, but about the great state of New Jersey, which is that New Jersey is home to many, many, many different styles of architecture, but there is one that is actually only found in Staten Island and North Jersey. What is the name of this two-word, alliterative style of New Jersey architecture, of which the first word is a city here in North Jersey?

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:49David Imel?

  Carne cor.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's kinda the answer I've been looking for. It's not Carne cor, and it's not Carney at all.

• 33:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I was like, can we get an example of what?

• 34:02David Imel?

  There's like a Jeopardy.

• 34:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Like what it looks like?

• 34:04David Imel?

  Bow bous.

• 34:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Will that be too obvious?

• 34:05Speaker 02

  I think I can describe.

• 34:06David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Do you wanna try to describe it?

• 34:09Speaker 04

  Frankly, I don't think anyone's gonna guess this, but I will say, for a clue, can I give a clue?

• 34:14David Imel?

  I would love a clue.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  A clue is, I would say it's within a 15-minute drive of here. So let that sink in.

• 34:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I wanna know, are we talking like, like, commercial, or like, a house, residential? Okay.

• 34:28David Imel?

  And it's alliterative, which means it's like?

• 34:30Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a guess, but-

• 34:31David Imel?

  Hoboken houses or something. Yeah, like Carne cor.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Carne cor.

• 34:34Andrew Manganelli?

  My guess is literally-

• 34:35David Imel?

  Maplewood Mansions.

• 34:36Andrew Manganelli?

  One of the things is something else, somewhere else in the Northeast, so I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on that one.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Staten sweetness.

• 34:44David Imel?

  But isn't Staten Island in, uh-

• 34:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Is there popular?

• 34:46David Imel?

  Isn't that in New York?

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. But he said it's in-

• 34:48David Imel?

  It's not really New York, though. Can we, by the way, can we just think greatest Staten Island is just part of New Jersey?

• 34:54Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  We don't have time for that.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  We aren't taking that.

• 34:57David Imel?

  I went there for the first time, and it was just New Jersey.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  We, it's, it's New York.

• 35:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It's literally.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  You guys, we, we'll take the Statue of Liberty if you wanna give us-

• 35:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, cuz it's ours. No, no, no, no. Give us, it's ours.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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• 37:26Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. We gotta talk about why your next smartphone, well, according to some people, will cost more. I was gonna say might cost more, but will definitely cost more. And I'm saying it that way because we're mainly basing this on a Carl Pei tweet. He posted this really long tweet, which, I mean, okay, we could have kind of figured this out by context clues, but we know that memory is getting more and more expensive and smartphones use memory, so maybe your next smartphone is more expensive. But Carl's tweet is much more definitively like, "Look, smartphones forever have relied on prices going down for these things, so every year you can expect a spec bump and the price doesn't have to go up.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  But this year, 2026, that's not true. Memory has gone up so much in price that it is impossible for your next phone to cost the same amount for the same specs." And so, yes, if you haven't already heard, memory shortage, like, this is, have you tried to build a PC lately? It's really hard to get rammed on memory. It's all super expensive.

• 38:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Every tech trend just really screws people who want to build a cool PC. I feel like crypto is like, "You want a GPU? Suck it."

• 38:33David Imel?

  I ordered a little NAS enclosure thing, because, again, I was trying to do the photo stuff. And just buying storage, I'm like, "Holy [bleep], this [bleep] is like four times as expensive as it was like six months ago."

• 38:49Speaker 01

  It's all happening. In fact, in his tweet, he has his numbers. And I, credit to Carl, he's always super transparent about component pricing. That's like the one thing that I can say. He is always very transparent about that. So he says-

• 39:02Andrew Manganelli?

  That we know of.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, he says, "Brands face a simple choice: raise prices by 30% or more in some cases, or downgrade specs." He's saying it based on- Something that cost $20 a year ago could exceed $100 by year-end for top-tier models.

• 39:14Andrew Manganelli?

  He also thinks that entry to mid-tier markets might shrink by 20% or more.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Logically-

• 39:22Speaker 01

  All of this makes perfect sense, but as we were like entering this into the like, we should talk about this today in a podcast, I remember we, we had this same discussion like eight months ago around tariffs, right? There was a sudden and sharp increase in prices among not just components, but like entire brands, like their whole like top to bottom supply chains. And so we assumed that there would be no choice but to raise prices of certain things. But to my memory, that didn't really happen the way we thought it would.

• 39:59David Imel?

  It happened with some things.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  With a couple of things.

• 40:01David Imel?

  We will talk about the Fuji X half soon.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 40:05David Imel?

  The pricing of that device is notably a tariff device.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  You remember last year, we were thinking, I think the iPhone might get affected and they might have like a higher priced iPhone because of tariffs.

• 40:15David Imel?

  Yeah, because everyone on Twitter was like, the iPhone's gonna be $2,000 now.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that was not obviously didn't happen. Matter of fact, we got one of the best deals of an iPhone of all time last year.

• 40:24Andrew Manganelli?

  That's true. So also tariffs were also super confusing because every time we talked about it, by the time we released the episode, it was different. So that was really hard.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Who's exempt, who's not exempt?

• 40:35David Imel?

  A lot of it comes down to market predictability. And I think the fact that the tariffs were changing every single day, a lot of companies, especially the ones that could afford it, just decided it's worth it to just not change pricing and just wait it out and see what happens. And if we need to in the future, maybe we will. But we don't, we don't want to do this thing where we just are fluctuating our pricing like every two days.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think when you sell to consumers, like the number one thing you can do is be stable and predictable, but that's only easier as you get bigger of a company.

• 41:04David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  If hopefully that sentence made sense. And so if you're smaller, like if you're nothing, then you maybe deal with, you deal with more fluctuating supply chain pieces and things like this memory storage are. A giant blinking red light on your radar because how can you build enough margin to accommodate this crazy change?

• 41:25David Imel?

  It's a combination of that and your ability to sustain those changing market dynamics. Like Samsung, for example, notably, does not make a ton of money from its mobile division. That's not its main source of money. Actually, probably most of its money comes from the RAM it makes for other people.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Displays.

• 41:42David Imel?

  So they're probably doing really well right now. And I don't think that Samsung will change its prices for its smartphones at all. So in a way, Carl is kind of just like, we're gonna up our prices because we can't do this. And I think that there will be some larger companies that'll be like, hey, don't speak for all of us. Come on, come on, Carl.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  I wanted to ask you guys, do you think that, because we, again, we looked at this with tariffs and we saw kind of what was happening there. Do you think that we expect smartphone prices to go up because of RAM shortages? Or do we think that these huge companies are insulated enough that we, again, they'll just eat that cost and try to be as stable as possible? And hopefully that goes down next year.

• 42:20David Imel?

  I think they're gonna eat it for one more year. And if the memory prices are still insane next year. Because the main reason the memory and storage prices are so insane right now is because of the data center explosion and like OpenAI buying up all of the RAM. So if that, you know, if that capacity changes next year, if either the companies that are building it build more fabs that can make more capacity, or if OpenAI just doesn't need as much next year, the prices could go back down. So I think it's still kind of seen as a market fluctuation. It's just a little bit longer term than the week-long market fluctuations of the tariffs.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 42:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I have, well, I agree with David. Even though he ends this whole post with, we learned early on, we couldn't win on spec sheets alone. Instead, we focus on perfecting the user experience, proving how a phone looks and feels matter more than its raw numbers. Great quote after everyone hated the Nothing Phone 3. But like, I think Carl just taking the time to write this super long paragraph that could have just been, RAM is expensive, phone use RAM, do the math. Like, it's proof that the Nothing Phone is gonna get more expensive this year and he's already making excuses for it. I have another question, though, that Ellis and I were kind of talking about beforehand that might prove that I'm an idiot for the 8,000th time on this podcast. But.

• 43:39Andrew Manganelli?

  We were talking about new MacBooks and I guess when I'm thinking of RAM, I'm immediately thinking of RAM sticks. Like that we're all used to, but when the memory is integrated onto something like Apple silicon, is that going to be something that's going to would be affected by something like this? And now I'm not exactly sure how RAM is working inside of phones if we're talking about it. So where is the, what RAM are we talking about? You know, we saw before because of like microcenters throwing it up, which is the RAM sticks we all know. Is Apple silicon going to be hit by this at all because it's all integrated into their chips?

• 44:15Speaker 01

  That's a good question. I don't know the answer. I kind of assumed everything that uses memory, whether it's a RAM stick they put in a PC or if it's memory that's in the Hasselblad camera or in Apple silicon, it's all affected.

• 44:28Andrew Manganelli?

  So everything.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, everything that has memory, cars, like this happened with the chip shortage when like people realized cars use a lot of chips because they all have computers in them.

• 44:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  The chip shortage affects everything because everything has a chip. And depends on how much like your supply chain, obviously, and what percentage of your device is memory, which is why we think cheaper smartphones, mid-range smartphones are most affected because memory is an important and expensive component in that. But yeah, I do think it, I mean, I don't know the answer, but I do think it would affect Apple and Apple silicon. But I don't, I don't think they're going to raise prices because it's not a big enough component. Yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  I think I see it both sides. Well, I think one thing that we failed to consider in our earlier conversation, Andrew, is that Apple probably pre-negotiated their RAM prices for, I don't know when their contract with the three big suppliers ends, but I would have a feeling that they're locked in through some, to a price through some period of time. The other reason, the other thing that, you know, we didn't really discuss was that, I guess maybe we sort of touched on it a little bit, is that Apple has always charged this much for RAM, like, like now.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Their margins were insane already.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  It's like, I was looking it up, like now, like sticks of RAM cost about as much as the actual RAM upgrades.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  For Apple or? You try doubling the RAM in a MacBook, it's like that'll cost you another MacBook. Eight hundred dollars.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Going from 64 to 128 gigs of RAM on a MacBook Pro is an extra eight hundred dollars, you know? So it's, so maybe they can just be like.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  They built it in.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, they priced it in.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  They priced it in. The market priced it in.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  You know, on the other hand, everything is getting more expensive. So.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  So I don't know.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  I feel like Apple probably already purchased this capacity ahead of time and it probably won't affect them for the short term. I just don't know how long that lasts.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  I believe it was Lenovo that said publicly that their price contract thing ends at the end of 2026. And, you know, Apple's worth a few Lenovo's. So like, maybe their contract goes.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  I was trying to think of a company that I think might be affected that's not Apple and Motorola came to mind because they sell a lot of two, one, two, $300 phones.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  They're a Motorola, they're a Lenovo company. They're like small. They don't have a ton of, to my knowledge, like super premium stuff, like balancing it out where they can eat that charge on the smaller price things and they'll be okay. So I, I kind of feel like Motorola phones could be more expensive than their previous generations this year, potentially.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  That's a total guess from me.

• 47:14David Imel?

  Well, speaking of these things being a lot more expensive and now a lot cheaper. There's a camera we've talked about a few times called the Fujifilm X-Half. This camera is the camera that was made to be bad. It's Fujifilm's response to the Gen Z and Gen Alpha kids buying Digicams, which are like early 2000's point and shoot cameras. And Fujifilm thought, we really need to get in on that. So they made this camera called the X-Half. It's got a one inch sensor. It intentionally adds light leaks and all this. Hey, it's vibes.

• 47:48Andrew Manganelli?

  You must have not been here when we brought it in.

• 47:51David Imel?

  Yeah, Adam had it for a while.

• 47:52Andrew Manganelli?

  It's such an interesting camera.

• 47:53David Imel?

  It's an awesome camera.

• 47:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It is both awesome and terrible at the same time.

• 47:56David Imel?

  It's awesome. I.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  It's the opposite of what I look for in cameras.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  It has a portrait viewfinder. Like the viewfinder on the back is portrait by default.

• 48:04David Imel?

  Because half frame cameras, X-Half, always were portrait because they just shrink the film, the film gate half is wide. So they become portrait.

• 48:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It was like also plastic, but it looked really nice and it had this like, the pictures weren't great, but it had this really cool like secondary LCD screen where if you're doing film simulations,

• 48:23David Imel?

  swipe.

• 48:23Andrew Manganelli?

  It would look like the roll of film was in it and you would swipe.

• 48:27David Imel?

  Yeah. This camera feels like the R and D and like design people, all of the money went to that. Because the app is also very good. When you transfer the photos to the phone, you can see the negatives and then they develop and then they turn into positives. This is the type of product where you're just like, hey, this is fun. Yeah. It's not gonna be the best quality thing, but you're gonna have the most fun. Absolutely.

• 48:47Andrew Manganelli?

  And then it's like, so yeah, give me $800, just have fun. You're like, I ain't trying to have that much fun.

• 48:52David Imel?

  This is the problem. Launched at $850. I remember when I did the briefing for this camera, it was like the day after the tariffs got announced and they like wouldn't say the price. And we were like, so are you guys gonna be affected by the tariffs? And they were like, ah, ah. Uh, yeah. And then it launched at $850, which is just $850. Yeah, it's just crazy, man. It's so expensive. Um, really cool camera, really fun, really cute, but $850. So now, um, Adorama is selling the Fujifilm XT5, which is their flagship prosumer camera that is not the medium format GFX cameras. If you buy the, the kit that comes with the XT5 plus the lens, uh, you get an X-Half for free.

• 49:38David Imel?

  Uh, which is funny. Um, the X-Half also on B and H, everyone thought this was just a Black Friday deal, but they'd never like put the price back up. They never stopped. The X-Half, you can now buy for $650. On B and H, it still says $200 off. It's clearly not the MSRP yet, but everyone's still selling it for that. The XT5, it makes sense that they're trying to move units of that because that came out quite a while ago. I think it was like 2022 or something. And, uh, there are rumors that the XT6 is going to come out in September. So it's clear, a lot of these retailers are clearly just trying to move those units, but it's just very funny that they are. Giving away a $650, used to be $850 camera with it.

• 50:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It kinda makes sense cuz it's like, move this, but also like, these cameras are quite a bit different. The X half is like a more fun, like toss in your pocket. This, the XT5, obviously.

• 50:32David Imel?

  Pretty serious camera.

• 50:33Andrew Manganelli?

  It would be a fun thing to have as a side.

• 50:35David Imel?

  Yeah, totally.

• 50:36Andrew Manganelli?

  But it's just so funny, it's like, buy a camera, get a mini camera with it.

• 50:40David Imel?

  For free.

• 50:40Andrew Manganelli?

  This doesn't sell for free.

• 50:41David Imel?

  Yeah, because it's not selling. So, yeah, I mean, again, it's just like, they need to move units because the XT6 is gonna come out soon. So that's really the reason, but.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Just getting them out of the inventory. Yeah. We made a bunch, we need to get rid of these, so.

• 50:57Andrew Manganelli?

  You seem like the person who would want it, and you're buying this camera, so have this one too.

• 51:01David Imel?

  I'm curious if sort of the margins or the tariffs like became less of a problem for them. And so now their margins on the X half are big enough that they can actually give these away for a relatively cheap price. Like, I wonder what Adorama buys these from Fujifilm for.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:19David Imel?

  It's probably like 200 bucks, would be my guess.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 51:22David Imel?

  So, yeah. That's just, that was just a pretty funny story that we said.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Must be nice.

• 51:26David Imel?

  Okay, I just wanted to bring this up very quickly, we don't have to hang on it too much. But there was this news that, this happened this week. Grok, notably the anti-censored AI.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  The LLM that's built into X.

• 51:44David Imel?

  Yeah, the LLM is built into X, Elon Musk LLM. You can go on Twitter and you can say, @Grok, do this. And then recently, they, they released photo editing and photo manipulation through like the comments. So if, you can upload a photo to a tweet and you can say, @Grok, change it in this way. When you have a specifically noted as like uncensored LLM, clearly people are gonna start doing heinous things with it.

• 52:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Especially on that platform.

• 52:14David Imel?

  Especially on that platform.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Your favorite thing.

• 52:16David Imel?

  This is like, sort of why they made Section 230, but they never expected it to get this insane. Notably, people started doing things with it that you would expect people to start doing things with. Including really bad things. And because of that, you know, there's all these fake nudes that are being made of a lot of people. And at this point, the UK and the EU are taking some action. They are forcing X to retain documents related to Grok until the end of the year so that they can review them. The UK also just passed a law criminalizing non-consensual intimate deep fakes in response. And Twitter responded to this by making the image manipulation feature a X premium feature.

• 52:55Andrew Manganelli?

  The first thing they did was

• 52:56David Imel?

  On desktop.

• 52:58Andrew Manganelli?

  That Grok as a Twitter profile. You could go to it and click the media tab. And like, if you go to that on like one of yours, you would just see all the photos it's posted. But if you were going to Grok and clicking the media tab, it was just a bunch of random people being put in like swimsuits that without their consent and really, really creepy stuff. And then they just nuked the media file on Grok at first to just like make it not so obvious.

• 53:26David Imel?

  And then they made it an X premium feature as if that was going to stop people. Except if you have the dedicated Grok app on your phone, you don't even need premium to use this feature. Anyway, it was, it was a whole thing. The Senate did just pass a bill in the US that would allow people with non-consensual deep fakes to sue for civil damages. So there's

• 53:47Speaker 01

  To sue Twitter or to sue a person?

• 53:50David Imel?

  I think it's the person who asked Grok to create the image.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:53David Imel?

  Yeah. So there's probably a lot of stuff that's gonna happen from this. I just wanted to say publicly that Sundar Pichai and Tim Cook should have pulled this from their app store as soon as this started happening.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  I saw that. Cause I saw people saying, oh, that, but then also all the other apps can do that. They just aren't a meme of publicly doing it.

• 54:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Can they do it with like a totally new image of? Someone in a bikini. Can you upload pictures of somebody and get them to change that? Gemini and that stuff can do it.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  You can upload features.

• 54:28David Imel?

  But I feel like there's a lot of limitations on what you can do with the photo editing through Gemini.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Most likely. They're probably better than what's happening with Grok. I think that was the argument I saw. It was like, oh, you can do this with these other apps and they're not banned. But probably not as easily and probably takes way more effort.

• 54:44David Imel?

  Probably way more effort.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Way more prompting and here is Grok just displaying them all on the media tab and it's like very public and it's a meme at this point.

• 54:50David Imel?

  And it was just in the comments.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was everywhere. So it was like, that's the difference. And yeah, that's what I saw.

• 54:56David Imel?

  It's just, I just feel like Google and Apple should have pulled this from their App Store until that they made some serious changes. But they didn't because of politics, because now we live under techno feudalism. So just needed to note that because I felt like we had to talk about it.

• 55:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It was a great timing for Razer to announce that they're gonna use Grok for their stupid little hologram thing.

• 55:19David Imel?

  I'm testing the Tesla Model Y right now and every time I open the menu, there's this big Grok icon. I'm like, why is this built into the car? What are you doing? Like you, I have to use it in the car. Like it's not, I get that there's like Spotify built in, there's Maps built in, there's a Grok button. I haven't pressed it yet, but it's there.

• 55:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I guess Gemini is not an Android Auto yet, right? So.

• 55:41David Imel?

  No, they just announced, yeah, they brought it to Android Auto recently.

• 55:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought I just saw someone saying it's not fully in there yet and they're excited for it.

• 55:48David Imel?

  It got announced a couple of months ago. Yeah. Um, I've seen some videos of people using Grok in the car.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Like talking to it.

• 55:55David Imel?

  Talking to it. It can be pretty weird.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, it's insane. It's actually right up Razer's alley. I'm not shocked they did that at all.

• 56:02David Imel?

  I'm not shocked, I'm just disappointed.

• 56:07David Imel?

  Cause you know, gamers can't afford this, but they also already have the whole like, there's already the whole. Exactly.

• 56:15David Imel?

  Sorry, you can't afford this, I'm sorry. But they have the whole persona of being like the creepy sort of incel thing. And Razer is just kind of like leaning into that, which I don't love. I don't like it. I mean, that one product that we talked about it like last week. Yeah. The CES thing. That's exactly what we're. A companion.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  I think they're white labeling Project Ava. I, I, late at night, I didn't want to hit the slack because I was kind of embarrassed about like, why are you thinking about this?

• 56:43Speaker 02

  But I found, I found all of these.

• 56:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Schedule send.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  These like companies, like one of them is called AI Hollow Box.

• 56:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Like there are all these products that look so similar to the Razer one.

• 56:55David Imel?

  I would not be surprised at all.

• 56:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Somebody in the comments was like, it is kind of like a hologram, it just sucks really bad. Which I don't know what that means, but.

• 57:04David Imel?

  We were saying it was using the translucent.

• 57:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Glass.

• 57:07David Imel?

  Like LEDs, right? Yeah. Yeah.

• 57:12Andrew Manganelli?

  By the way, Ellis, just schedule send next time. Then you can still get it to us without.

• 57:17David Imel?

  Just to really freak us out. Freak us out, yeah. Like, it's, oh, it's okay. Yeah. Anyway, Tim Cook, Sundar, please pull X from your off stars. Let's do another trivia. That's hopefully, hopefully about something a little less depressing. I hope it's a tech question. Is that crazy? It's probably gonna be about like cucumbers or something. I don't know. I don't know.

• 57:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Actually, that would have worked well last week when we talked about pickle.

• 57:43David Imel?

  Hmm, yeah. Wait, did we even do any pickle questions last week? By the way, bread and butter? Best pickle. Best pickle?

• 57:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Bread and butter sucks.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  You say best pickle? Bread and butter, best pickle?

• 57:53David Imel?

  Best pickle.

• 57:54Andrew Manganelli?

  That might be your worst.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Insane.

• 57:56David Imel?

  They're so good.

• 57:57Andrew Manganelli?

  They're the worst.

• 57:58David Imel?

  Bread and butter pickles?

• 57:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, bread and butter, I agree with you, Andrew.

• 58:01David Imel?

  It's a type of vinegar they put in it that's like sweet.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  No, it's just, it's just sugar pickle.

• 58:06David Imel?

  That's right. Oh.

• 58:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Candy pickle.

• 58:08David Imel?

  Yeah, candy pickle. Like when I was growing up, I ate a lot of sugar.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  So, we've been talking about a lot of cameras this week and I've been going down memory lane for a project we're working on with a studio. I was thinking about the granddaddy of all YouTube cameras. We all know it, we all love it.

• 58:24David Imel?

  Candida II.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  The, that is the granddaughter of the granddaddy. I don't know.

• 58:29David Imel?

  Oh.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  It's a metaphor. We all know the 2007 Flip Video Ultra.

• 58:33David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  We know it, we love it.

• 58:35David Imel?

  That's true.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  And I'm just thinking about it. And it's simple interface with few buttons, minimal menus, built-in USB plug.

• 58:44David Imel?

  Plug.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  It captured 13% of the camcorder market and was the best-selling camcorder on Amazon at the time.

• 58:50David Imel?

  So crazy.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  And it was cool because you could publish directly to YouTube or AOL video, which is definitely still around. And my question for you is, what was the MSRP for the 1GB version of the 2007 Flip's Video Ultra?

• 59:08David Imel?

  1GB?

• 59:10Speaker 04

  There was 1GB and 2GB.

• 59:12David Imel?

  Didn't the guy that started Flip Video also start like a food chain? Like a popular food chain?

• 59:17Speaker 04

  Probably.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Whatever he did, it'll never live up to. It'll never emerge from the shadow of the Flip camera. The Flip camera is iconic to me.

• 59:24David Imel?

  It is so iconic.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  That being said, I do not remember the price.

• 59:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I was gonna say, I'm going off of a flash drive I bought my senior year of high school, which would have been 2007.

• 59:32David Imel?

  A 1GB?

• 59:33Andrew Manganelli?

  A 1GB flash drive?

• 59:34David Imel?

  Yeah, but that's not cheap. A monitor, it's gonna have... Dude, I bought a 1GB flash drive in middle school and they accidentally at Staples gave me the 8GB and I was like...

• 59:44Speaker 04

  You're rich.

• 59:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  You're rich.

• 59:46David Imel?

  I was the coolest kid at school, dude. Everyone was jealous of my 8GB, so it was crazy. Yeah.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Well, I remember the camera, but I will have to do some digging to try to remember the price.

• 59:55David Imel?

  Is it Price is Right rules?

• 59:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, Price is Right. Closest without going over.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  Okay, perfect. All right, that'll be at the end. We'll be right back.

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• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. I actually have two stories that I would like to explain to Andrew and David in tech terms. We've had this as a sort of a recurring segment where we bring in something from totally outside the tech world, but in a passion of ours that we try to get you to feel the passion for by using tech analogies for them. I have two. I think I've got my analogies. I'm gonna try. All right? All right, I'm excited. So, the first one, the first bit of news is the Corvette ZR1X, the C8 ZR1X, just became the quickest American production car of all time, and actually, the quickest car ever made with an engine in it.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  It does a 1.7 second 0 to 60 and an 8.6 second quarter mile. It's a $220,000 Corvette. It's obviously a pretty crazy car in the first place. But the outlier in performance that this car represents is totally insane. This C8 platform has been building for a while, really, really insane stuff, but the numbers, the straight-line performance that this car can pull off is equivalent to, it would be easy to say like only like million-dollar cars, but honestly, most million-dollar cars are not this fast. This would be like 3 to 5 to 10 million-dollar cars are occasionally this fast sometimes. The only other car that we've tested that's this fast, Andrew, is the Remac Nevera. Okay.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  The Remac Nevera is several million dollars. It's pure electric, quad motor, 1,800 horsepower, all-wheel drive. This is a Corvette that someone's just gonna buy someday. So, I was trying to explain this in tech terms, and the best I can think of, because I think the story is how much of an outlier it is for performance per dollar. This would be like if the OnePlus 15 had also by far the best camera the Android world has ever seen, and was also $550.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Wait. I like this, but I think I can do you one better, Marquez.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  I'm down for that, the OnePlus 1.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  And I just want to let everyone know, I like Corvettes. This is not me knocking on Corvettes. But I think the one thing that analogy leaves out is that historically, for performance cars specifically, not for all cars, but for performance cars specifically, Corvettes are the budget option.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  OnePlus.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  I guess, I don't really think of OnePlus as a budget option.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  The history of OnePlus to me has been like, they have been somehow able to, in their prime anyway, like OnePlus 7 days. OnePlus 1. They were the ones that were giving you all of the specs somehow for cheaper than the competition. Flagship kills. So the flagship, yeah, the flagship was Samsung.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  To me, a Corvette that beats out everything. Also, Corvettes historically, compared to other performance cars, made of plastic. And so to me, this is the equivalent of someone puts out a Chromebook that costs $4,500 and is the fastest computer you could buy.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  So it can't do anything?

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  No, it can do everything.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  But it's a Chromebook.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  But it's a Chromebook.

• 1:04:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Chromebook Gemini.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  I think this, I think I like my analogy because it hammers home two impossible things, which is one, it's just insane to imagine the OnePlus 15, which kind of has a nerfed camera. Also, like, like, actually think about it, what if it had the best camera you've ever seen by far? Like, the iPhones to shame, the Samsungs to shame, the Xiaomi's are to shame. This is unbelievable camera. Like, actually picture that. Eight hundred dollars? And then it's also $550. That'd be crazy. It would just not make any, how does it have all of this stuff? How is it also the fastest and the best battery? How does it have all this performance? And it's undercutting all of, like, by far all of the flagship. It's half the price of cars like this, or phones like this. Isn't that insane?

• 1:05:36Andrew Manganelli?

  We don't have a direct comparison. We have to make up a thing. You had to put two exemptions on an existing product?

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Exactly. The only car, literally, the only other car that I've ever seen run an eight and a half second quarter mile from the factory is a $3 million Rimac Nevara. It's the only other car I've ever seen do this. Picture the most expensive, you've heard of the Bugattis, right? Like, Bugatti Chiron, it's a three, four, five million dollar car, will run a 9.2 and a two and a half second zero to 60. That's bat [bleep] fast. This is a full half second fast, it's incomprehensibly faster. It's like M1. It doesn't make any sense. It's like the M1 chip. Actually, yeah, it's kind of like if the M1 chip was also a fraction of the price of what it actually was. And they kind of were when they first launched.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  But, but they came out in a device made of plastic, too.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, because Apple's known as premium, it would be like if M1 in a Chromebook.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, see?

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. You know? It would just be silly, it would be ridiculous, but it's happening. And it's, it's the biggest story in the car world.

• 1:06:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Is there a reason they're able to accomplish this? This, like, clearly every company in the entire world has wanted to be the really, the best that's also cheap.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  That's a great question.

• 1:06:47Andrew Manganelli?

  And should probably sell like hotcakes. So, or... What are the red flags we see going on right now?

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Fair enough. The C8 Corvette, this platform, this newest generation of the Corvette, they have all a bunch of different versions of it that they've been building up to over the years. So there was the base C8, it's mid-engine, it was very popular, it was really good price for performance. And then they started doing more and more higher-end powertrains and we kind of expected them to walk up this ladder and they got more and more impressive. We had the E-Ray here, I don't know if you remember that, that blue Corvette?

• 1:07:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  It was a hybrid. That's kind of in the same like powertrain as the like hybrid 911 Turbo S or the hybrid Ferrari 296, for example, cars that are similarly fast.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  But it was always cheaper because it's GM, they just, they make, what else do GM make? Cadillacs, Escalades, the Lyric, they make like regular cars.

• 1:07:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  And they're also making this world-beater supercar, so they just kept walking it up more and more. Now they have this massive engine making 1,000 horsepower, the biggest turbos ever in a production car, and also a front axle 100.6 horsepower electric motor, all-wheel-drive, lightweight, two-door mid-engine supercar. It's just insane. And the red flags are only really that, I don't know if there are any red flags, to be honest. The red flag is that this is going to be on the streets.

• 1:08:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  This is insane.

• 1:08:04David Imel?

  Yeah, you said 1. what?

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  1.7 seconds 0 to 60.

• 1:08:09David Imel?

  Is that the fastest car ever?

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  It launches harder than the Rimac. The hardest, I mean, a Model 3 Performance is a pretty spicy.

• 1:08:15David Imel?

  When you bought your Model S Plaid. That was probably the fastest car I've ever driven.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  Okay, so that would do a absolute best-case scenario drag strip 2.0 seconds 0 to 60, which is unbelievable. That car was already an anomaly for straight-line acceleration.

• 1:08:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  This is 40% harder launching than that. That doesn't make any sense.

• 1:08:40David Imel?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  And again, it accelerates even faster, it traps a higher speed through the quarter-mile, it does an 8.5 seconds, it's crazy. So yeah, it's insane.

• 1:08:48Andrew Manganelli?

  But if you buy it.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  It's plastic.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  I don't want to say it's a cheap car, right? Like, it's a Corvette, it's still a nice car.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  It's a nice car.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  But I think anything else you would buy in that performance category would either be super bare bones, like, no door handles, no AC, like, race car status, or it would be the Bugatti.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  A billion dollars, five million dollars.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Everything feels like it's made of diamonds.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Qualies. That's why I like the Chromebook. It's like, you're not gonna get the fit and finish of its competitors.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  People buying cars with this much performance usually also want the look-at-me car.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  And you wouldn't buy a look-at-me Chromebook.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  But you can.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  But you could. They got a couple of them.

• 1:09:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Chromebook fans real mad right now.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  I'm just saying.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Can we throw?

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  That's the first one.

• 1:09:36Andrew Manganelli?

  One other one out there?

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, the second one, I guess, because we kind of started this discussion, but it's another basketball one. We had a lot of fun with the Luca trade, because that was a huge one.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Luca, I know that guy.

• 1:09:48Andrew Manganelli?

  This is the Trey Young trade, because it seems quite a bit different than the Luca trade. And I would like to understand it better.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  LSU might have to help me with this one, in tech terms. The Luca one was the guy who was the best, and they traded him for nothing, right? That's what happened?

• 1:10:03Andrew Manganelli?

  They traded him for, like, someone who was really good, but has, like, horrible knees and is old, right?

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Who literally just had a season-ending injury, like, last week. Okay, this trade. Yeah. The news is that a player named Trey Young, who was on the Atlanta Hawks, who's their point guard for a long time, since he was drafted, right, to the Hawks?

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Or traded to the Hawks on draft night.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's been on that team for a long time, he's been their point guard. He...

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  The face of the team.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  He was traded for CJ McCollum and Corey Crispert. Two people, two for one.

• 1:10:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Now, before, I kind of mentioned something about CJ. Because I thought he was really good.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  He is good.

• 1:10:41Andrew Manganelli?

  He is good.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  But I wouldn't...

• 1:10:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm rolling this on the fact that I have a friend who apparently went to college with him and thought he was really cool.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:49Andrew Manganelli?

  And I've heard a lot about him as someone... Who's probably under the level of NBA talent that I should know.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  That's a great observation. You probably would not have heard of CJ McCollum had it not been for this friend that we share.

• 1:11:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Shout out Grover, might be listening to this.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, so Trey Young on a middling Eastern Conference team, but he's been the face of the franchise for a while, gets traded to, the Wizards are the worst team in the East, right? Or a third worst or something, bottom feeder.

• 1:11:17Andrew Manganelli?

  They're like just over the Sixers.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Isn't that the team that Michael Jordan was on? Uh, yeah, that's actually true.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Why do you know that?

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  That's really actually true. Yes, that is a team that Michael Jordan was once on.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  The Pacers are one, two wins behind the Wizards right now.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  Okay, so what you basically have to understand is Trey Young was once thought of as maybe kinda like a second coming of Steph Curry, like has a lot of really good qualities on offense and ran a franchise and was, you know, big stats guy, Trey Young.

• 1:11:52Andrew Manganelli?

  He was so good that Knicks fans absolutely hate him, right?

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  That's a great point, yeah.

• 1:11:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you know the video, the Bing Bong video?

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  Bing Bong.

• 1:12:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah, and then like right after they go like, F Trey Young, F Trey Young.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  That was something that happened like four years ago, that Knicks fans like still have in their head.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, still like the Bing Bong thing. So this guy was kind of a big bad guy in the East and he, yeah, just abruptly got traded this season to one of the worst teams for CJ McCollum, who you probably haven't heard of, and Corey Crisbert, who I'm sure is a nice guy, but that doesn't seem like a very even trade. The gene editing guy? Crisbert.

• 1:12:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow, that's. I was gonna say, is that, is that the architectural type that we're trying to figure out?

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  I love doing these sports one time, you get the most random anecdotes. Yeah, so that's, that's a pretty, now, in tech terms, this is, this is hard to explain, to fully appreciate, but it would be like.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Well, so here, I think that one important detail is that no one denies that Trey Young is really good at basketball.

• 1:12:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Alex does.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  But, well.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  He's, he's an Knicks fan, don't worry about him.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  I have so much to say right there. No one denies that he's really good at basketball, but people constantly put into question whether he was the right flavor of good at basketball to take the Atlanta Hawks to where they needed to be.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  And so I'm trying to think if there's like an executive that no one doubted the talent and prowess of, but we're like, this just isn't the right fit.

• 1:13:25David Imel?

  It would be like Apple trading Tim Cook. Well, they are doing that. For, for, oh, wait, wait. For the, the guy, the liquid glass guy. They made the liquid glass guy that they went to Meta. Well, they didn't make a trade. They traded him to Meta.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  It would be like trading him for like the humane CEO.

• 1:13:46Andrew Manganelli?

  FBI already did that.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  And a vending machine.

• 1:13:50David Imel?

  Wait, okay, so let's see, let's see, because they traded the liquid glass guy to Meta, right? So in this case, Meta is.

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  The Wizards.

• 1:13:59David Imel?

  The Wizards are really bad.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  The Wizards not only are really bad, but are never good.

• 1:14:04David Imel?

  Meta is really bad and has never been good, too.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they're a competitor. They're a multi billion, billion dollar.

• 1:14:11David Imel?

  I'm saying like.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  I'm thinking, when I say humane, I'm trying to think of like, you would never make this trade type of moves, you know?

• 1:14:18David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  But technically in the same space.

• 1:14:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Like you, you bought a one plus 15 expecting it to be the perfect camera for every, or perfect phone for everything. And then you started taking pictures and after a while you're like, this just isn't the phone for me. I'm gonna give it to my friend who's going to give me.

• 1:14:36David Imel?

  A Galaxy S20.

• 1:14:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Two Pro and CMF buds or something like.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  I could see CJ McCollum being a CMF phone two pro.

• 1:14:46Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a brand new sentence.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  I could see that, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:50Andrew Manganelli?

  And crispy cobert is.

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  So he's the buds.

• 1:14:53David Imel?

  Cheap but respectable.

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  Corey Crisbert is like the S and buds. Yeah, like an accessory. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:57David Imel?

  And you're trading the one plus 15?

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00David Imel?

  That's an awful deal.

• 1:15:01Andrew Manganelli?

  And so I guess you're hoping that those two just kind of finish out the season you don't care about. And then you go big game hunting and get a real.

• 1:15:08David Imel?

  Yeah, because the CMF phone two pro will just break in half.

• 1:15:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so you're just hoping it lasts.

• 1:15:12David Imel?

  Which is why you're gonna have to get a new one.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15David Imel?

  Damn.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  That might track. That sounds good.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  I don't know. Is Atlanta gonna try and tank the rest of the season? Like, is that part of the plan?

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  Do they keep making trades till the deadline and then we decide if they tank?

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know if there's a tech equivalent of tanking because nobody wants to get the, nobody actively seeks the worst tech.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  There is like a form of trying to get the worst tech, which is like. Being the guy who like orders the humane pin, the 1X robot, you know, like,

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  But those people think they're getting the best tech, unfortunately. Like tanking is actively, you know, are you familiar, you know,

• 1:15:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I know.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Do you know, so

• 1:15:50David Imel?

  You throw the game on purpose?

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  The whole season, if a, if a team is bad enough at the end of the season, they have a better chance of a really good draft pick to get a good player for next season.

• 1:16:00David Imel?

  Do you get higher draft picks if you do worse?

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  You want to hear something really funny?

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Essentially.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  In Europe, sports teams are like super capitalist. Like if you do really well, you get more. And if you have a really bad season, you can sometimes get relegated and have to be like in a worse.

• 1:16:14David Imel?

  Which is why the soccer teams, it's like, it's always the same teams. They never.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  They're always trying to be the best.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  In the United States,

• 1:16:20David Imel?

  United.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  Where we do, we do sports communism, where if you get a, if you just suck, you get to draft players first the next season.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Sick, yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  So, and it helps keep everyone kind of competitive. So the idea of tanking is being like, our team is really bad. We're, if we try our hardest, we will do really bad. So let's not try at all and make sure we're the last place team.

• 1:16:44David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  And have the best odds of getting a really great draft pick.

• 1:16:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Quick question. In the NBA, do you guys make slogans like for when a team's really bad? Like I just pulled up a thread of NHL slogans where it was like fall for haul. Cause the number one pick was like haul.

• 1:16:57David Imel?

  Trust the process, yeah.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 1:17:02David Imel?

  Is someone's name Trust?

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  If it, cause the, the idea is if you're a middling team, then you're like not good enough to like win playoff series, but you're not bad enough to get a good pick. So you get like a not that great draft pick and then you're stuck in the middle because it doesn't change anything. So if you're in the middle, you just start to just get worse. Just like stop trying, sit your best players, tank, get to the bottom, then you'll get a good draft.

• 1:17:24David Imel?

  Are there penalties for doing that intentionally?

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  Weak ones. Not really.

• 1:17:29David Imel?

  Cause then at the end of the, then at the end of the season, all the bad teams are just like, oh, I don't know what a basketball is.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Fighting for the worst product.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Wait, there is a tech version of tanking. I totally just realized it.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  It's, it's when you're Meta or Google or Amazon and you lay off like 10, 15,000 people at one time.

• 1:17:49David Imel?

  To make your stock price go up.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  So that you can report a bunch of losses for that year on your taxes. Be like, oh, we're the worst.

• 1:17:55David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  And then your shareholder. Inflate the stock price?

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  That's tech tanking.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  There is tanking. That's tanking. That's wild.

• 1:18:03David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Anyway, I don't know if we got a perfect analogy for that one, but I'm glad we got to cover it.

• 1:18:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I liked my OnePlus 1.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, the OnePlus 1 feels...

• 1:18:11David Imel?

  OnePlus 1 was a good phone.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  CJ McCollum feels like a CMF Phone 2 Pro. Most people have not heard of that phone or that player.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  But they're like, decent and like a good contract.

• 1:18:20David Imel?

  You should send him one and see what he says.

• 1:18:21Andrew Manganelli?

  I was, I hope CJ, one, doesn't listen to this podcast and two, isn't like a huge Android fan and is gonna feel so mad about it.

• 1:18:28David Imel?

  We, to be clear, we like that phone.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It was a nice phone.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  I like CJ McCollum.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  He won an award. Hopefully now by the end of the segment, everyone here can appreciate how ridiculous a ZR1X is and how crazy the Trey Young trade was. Now let's do trivia.

• 1:18:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Bing bong.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Your life.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  The lyrics to the trivia music is bing bong.

• 1:18:49David Imel?

  The witch is dead?

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  Bing bing ba bong bong.

• 1:18:57David Imel?

  I miss Crazy Frog.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  What's going on? Inspired by listener Sam.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:19:03David Imel?

  Thanks, Sam.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  What is the name of the iconic New Jersey architectural style that is alliterative and the first word is a city in North Jersey?

• 1:19:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I forgot your laptop has the grass skin on it.

• 1:19:18David Imel?

  You didn't know what that feeling was? You never felt anything like that before?

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  North Jersey?

• 1:19:22Andrew Manganelli?

  You said, and it's based on a city around here.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't know. I don't know North Jersey geography well enough to say it's around here.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  I know it's near here. I know it's like...

• 1:19:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Can we get one point for each? Cause none of us are getting this. One point per word, correct?

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 1:19:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Which means I'm just guessing a city.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  And we might as well throw a second word in there.

• 1:19:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, you're serious?

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  Flip them and read.

• 1:19:50David Imel?

  I wrote hoboken hazards.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  That's hilarious. Yeah, neither of those are correct.

• 1:19:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I wrote Newark Nail.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  That is also.

• 1:19:58David Imel?

  Nail?

• 1:19:59Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. He said write another one.

• 1:20:01David Imel?

  I wrote Newark Nue.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  It's also wrong, but I like that. It sounds like a typeface.

• 1:20:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  The correct answer was the Bayonne Box.

• 1:20:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  The Bayonne Box.

• 1:20:14Andrew Manganelli?

  That sounds like a, um, like an early bird special.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  Yo, I got the Bayonne Box. That's cool. I got the munchie meal.

• 1:20:22Andrew Manganelli?

  That actually makes a ton of sense. I'm pretty sure all of Bayonne.

• 1:20:25David Imel?

  How do you spell Bayonne?

• 1:20:26Andrew Manganelli?

  B A Y O N N E.

• 1:20:28David Imel?

  Why the Bayonne Box can't be phased out. Nice.

• 1:20:31Speaker 04

  It's a good article, actually.

• 1:20:32David Imel?

  Really?

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:33David Imel?

  All right. Well, I don't own one because I'll never own a home. Let's move on. What's the next one?

• 1:20:39Speaker 04

  Question number two is about our beloved 2007 camera, the Flip Video Ultra. And my question for you is Price is Right rules. What was the original MSRP for the camera?

• 1:20:53Andrew Manganelli?

  What was the resolution on that bad boy?

• 1:20:55Speaker 04

  720p.

• 1:20:57David Imel?

  I feel like this would make a cool noise.

• 1:21:03David Imel?

  I could hear that being in like a Wolfpack song or something. Decent noise.

• 1:21:07Andrew Manganelli?

  There is a, can I see that? There is a musical instrument that's like.

• 1:21:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Do you know what it's called?

• 1:21:13David Imel?

  Scraper.

• 1:21:14Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, they use one in Rusted Roots, Send Me On My Way.

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  I would give someone a trivia point if they knew what that was called.

• 1:21:20David Imel?

  I, I can picture it. I just don't know the name.

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  Make the first sound.

• 1:21:24David Imel?

  Washboard?

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  A washboard is an example, but it wasn't what I was thinking.

• 1:21:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, that's a great.

• 1:21:27David Imel?

  I wish I knew.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  I'm talking about the one that's typically shaped like a fish.

• 1:21:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It's made of. Yeah, it's like.

• 1:21:32David Imel?

  Fishboard.

• 1:21:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Fish looking.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Actually, wait, the name I added to my head is wrong. I'm thinking of it.

• 1:21:36David Imel?

  So do I get the point for washboard?

• 1:21:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I name a song that has it in it?

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:21:40David Imel?

  I just name something about it.

• 1:21:43Speaker 04

  Oh, it is shaped like a fish.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  No, I had it right. I was right. I was. What is it? What is it called? It's called a gyro. Like a, like a Greek sandwich?

• 1:21:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Like a gyro?

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  Let's see if anyone got the price right of this one gig flip cam.

• 1:21:55Speaker 04

  All right, one gig. What do you got?

• 1:21:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I went really expensive.

• 1:21:59Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:21:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoopsie.

• 1:22:00Speaker 04

  David's got eighty dollars.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  I've got seventy-nine ninety-nine specifically.

• 1:22:04Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Just in case, that's the real price. Okay, but, but.

• 1:22:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I just want you to know, that's how much my one gig flash drive was.

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 1:22:12Andrew Manganelli?

  When I was a senior in high school.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  That's how much I paid at Staples, and then they gave me the eight gigabyte.

• 1:22:16Speaker 04

  Old, okay, Andrew, how much do you do?

• 1:22:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Three hundred and twenty-nine dollars.

• 1:22:20Speaker 04

  Three hundred and twenty is not correct. That's a little too much.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Kids can't afford this.

• 1:22:25Speaker 04

  Andrew's gone over. Marquez.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  So I might get this. I, I wrote one forty-nine ninety-seven.

• 1:22:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Ninety-seven?

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  And it's another W from Marquez, unfortunately.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Why did you do that?

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  And the original MSRP was one forty-nine.

• 1:22:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Ooh, wait.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:22:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  That's a great Price is Right guess, Marquez. A great Price is Right guess.

• 1:22:48Andrew Manganelli?

  No, actually, that's a terrible.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:22:49Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no, no, hold on. That's a terrible Price is Right guess because ninety-nine, you would get right on the nail, which means you get the product, right?

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  I thought there was a chance someone would guess one fifty, so I was like, let me guess right under one.

• 1:23:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, so you should have done ninety-nine.

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  I think, okay, so according to CNET, it says it was one hundred and forty-nine dollars, but there is no longer an Amazon page for this.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  What about, wait, you should have looked at the Wikipedia price.

• 1:23:13Speaker 04

  If you can find it.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  That would be a devastating.

• 1:23:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Right, it would.

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  Can you say old one more time into the microphone?

• 1:23:19Speaker 04

  Old.

• 1:23:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's, I guess like, you're, you would be fighting against if it was ninety-seven, but it's so rarely ninety-seven unless it's a Costco item that's getting kicked off soon.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Should have done ninety-eight at least.

• 1:23:32Speaker 04

  Would you like to know the price with inflation, how much it would be now?

• 1:23:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Three hundred twenty-nine dollars.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  Hmm, that sounds, it's probably more. It's probably five hundred.

• 1:23:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Probably like five hundred.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:41Speaker 04

  It would be two hundred and thirty-two US dollars now.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  That's it? What a deal.

• 1:23:46Speaker 04

  For seven twenty P?

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  That's a deal.

• 1:23:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, but you'd also.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why.

• 1:23:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Change the resolution by inflation, by resolution inflation.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  Resolution inflation?

• 1:23:54Andrew Manganelli?

  That's four K.

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  It's four K.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Can we get a score update?

• 1:23:59David Imel?

  But do you want to know, like, hold on. You want to know who Flip got acquired by? It'll make you cry.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  I unfortunately know this is.

• 1:24:05Andrew Manganelli?

  AOL.

• 1:24:06David Imel?

  It's worse.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  Hardware?

• 1:24:08David Imel?

  No.

• 1:24:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Facebook?

• 1:24:09David Imel?

  Sort of, yes. Yes, hardware, but also software.

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:24:13David Imel?

  But it's also essential, unfortunately.

• 1:24:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Is it HP?

• 1:24:16David Imel?

  Close.

• 1:24:17Andrew Manganelli?

  EZ Pass.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Even more essential, even more terrible.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  It's EZ Pass.

• 1:24:21David Imel?

  It's Cisco.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 1:24:24David Imel?

  Like Y.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:26David Imel?

  Like why?

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  I remember that happening.

• 1:24:28David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, does Cisco with the Y?

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  No, with the I.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  Oh. C I S C O.

• 1:24:33David Imel?

  No, yeah, C I S C O, yeah, not S Y S C O.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  And not Ciscom.

• 1:24:37David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  That is really depressing, wow. Anyway, I would love a score update. It'd be way better.

• 1:24:41David Imel?

  Sorry. Yeah.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  David holding up the rear with 11.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  I always do.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Points. Mark has.

• 1:24:48Andrew Manganelli?

  He's tanking.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  Holding ahead.

• 1:24:49David Imel?

  Tanking.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  12 points. And Andrew.

• 1:24:52David Imel?

  I'm tanking.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  Trailblazing, CJ McCollum style.

• 1:24:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Is he number 14?

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  You have 14 points, Andrew.

• 1:24:59Andrew Manganelli?

  14?

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  14 points.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Okay, so he invented the Melt, the burger chain, the grilled cheese chain, the Melt.

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  CJ McCollum?

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  Sorry, the Flip video guy. They have it in San Francisco.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  I was gonna be like, oh my god.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  It's a grilled cheese chain.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  I thought it was a Mac and cheese.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  He also did the voice for one of the Saja boys. I'm just kidding. All right. This is a perfect time to end this podcast. We're going off the rails.

• 1:25:27Speaker 02

  It also wasn't him.

• 1:25:28David Imel?

  The better time was yesterday.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  That was a Cisco joke.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  Thank you for watching and for listening and for learning with us. So that we could, of course, you know, get trivia points, but also come away better educated than we were coming in. Catch you guys next week. Peace.

• 1:25:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Bye. We have a performance brought to you by Admela and Ellis Raven and Mariah Zank. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro to our music is created by Vane Sil.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Bingo.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  We'll take the Statue of Liberty if you want to give us-

• 1:26:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, cuz it's ours.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:26:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Give us, it's ours.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  It's next to each other. Oh, yeah, it's on our side of the line.

• 1:26:07Andrew Manganelli?

  The Statue of Liberty is over the New Jersey state line.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Is it actually? If you want to give us Staten Island, we are fully claiming the Statue of Liberty.

• 1:26:13David Imel?

  That's fine.

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  Ellis Island, the whole thing.

• 1:26:15David Imel?

  Oh, Ellis Island too?

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:18Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't really...

• 1:26:19David Imel?

  You can have it if you want. I mean, if it means that you take Staten Island, then I think I'd make that deal.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:26:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Listen, to all our Staten Island viewers, we love you. Yeah.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, we-

• 1:26:29Andrew Manganelli?

  There's some good sandwiches there.

• 1:26:31David Imel?

  Yeah. But I don't have anything-

• 1:26:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I just think you should stay in New York.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  I just think you're New Yorkers.

• 1:26:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36David Imel?

  I don't know, man.

• 1:26:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Something wrong with that?

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Um... Alright, well, we'll definitely learn something about it.

• 1:26:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

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