#2446 - Greg Fitzsimmons

Greg Fitzsimmons is a comedian, actor, and writer, host of “Fitzdog Radio,” and co-host of “Sunday Papers” and “Childish.” He will be touring in 2026.www.youtube.com/@GregFitzsimmonsComedywww.sundaypapers.netwww.childishpod.comwww.gregfitzsimmons.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

• 0:03Speaker 01

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 00

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Alpha Brain?

• 0:12Speaker 03

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• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  I've got this stuff too, if you want it. It's an energy drink that also has nootropics in it.

• 0:19Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah?

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, good stuff.

• 0:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. Gregory! Joseph! Good to see you, my friend. Good to see you, man.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  The world's on fire.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  World is on fire!

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  Good time for you to come in.

• 0:31Speaker 03

  I mean, I literally, I mean, talk about being addicted to your scroll. I gotta really put the fucking phone down sometimes.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  I know, yeah. It's not good.

• 0:41Speaker 03

  No!

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  It's not good for your brain, to see all the problems of the world all piling, and everything looks like it's about to blow up.

• 0:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  Iran looks like it's about to blow up, they're talking about going into Cuba, Don Lemon went to jail. It's like, it's all crazy.

• 0:56Joe Rogan?

  It's like, what's next?

• 0:57Speaker 03

  Well, you know, when jail gives you lemons.

• 1:00Speaker 03

  And it's also like, what's that whole theory about we're only supposed to be exposed to like, 200 people in our life?

• 1:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Dunbar's number.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  You only can keep that many people in your head.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  But you should only know about that many divorces, and that much cheating, and that much killing, as would happen within 200.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  And crime, and fill in the blank, you know? Fraud, waste, abuse, international politics, restrictions on speech in England, like...

• 1:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  You see this fucking crazy story? This guy in England, an illegal alien, was a squatter in his house. The court ruled that because he didn't live in the house, the guy didn't live in the house, it was an empty house, they gave him the house. They gave the squatter the house, the squatter sold it for 540 grand.

• 1:52Joe Rogan?

  Squatter sold his house! Took his house because he was living it. And this guy was like a pensioner. He was just a guy who had like, an extra house, like a fucking investment property.

• 2:04Speaker 03

  You're right.

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  And this guy moved into it. Have you seen it, Jamie?

• 2:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, somebody sent it to me today.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  They had that in New York, back in the 70s and 80s. There was a lot of empty units, like down on the Lower East Side. Like Tompkins Square Park area, there was a lot of squatting.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is it. Squatter moved into Pincher's empty home, then won the legal right to keep it and sold the house for 500, I guess 540, uh, is that euros or pounds? Is that pounds?

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Pounds, yeah, England has pounds still.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  That's fucking crazy.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  So crazy.

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  England has lost its fucking mind. It's almost like they want people to either revolt or completely submit. It's one or the other. It's like you're either begging for a revolution, or you're begging for people to completely submit. They've arrested 12,000 people this year for social media posts.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  Oh, that's right.

• 3:01Joe Rogan?

  And most of it is criticizing immigration. Just criticizing immigration. Just saying immigration sucks, we should send these people back home. Cop show up at your door.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 3:10Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  Well, TikTok is now not allowing people to post anything that is anti ICE.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  Not, not just that, you can't post the juice box emoji?

• 3:22Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 3:22Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's a code for Jews? Cause people were using it, cause they were, they were blocking content where they were criticizing Israel.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Wait, why is the juice box Jews?

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  Oh, juice?

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  Juice, juice?

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  It is funny. But, did they block the use, this is somebody sent me this, I haven't verified this. Did they block the use of the word Epstein?

• 3:48Speaker 04

  I saw, I mean, I saw, I don't, I'm not on the app, but I saw a video of someone trying, you know.

• 3:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's run that through perplexity. See, if perplexity will rat out TikTok.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Right, cause that's, um.

• 4:02Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy that they would do it, cause they just purchased it, right? So it was just purchased by, um, some, what, what is the group? Is it, did Larry Ellison's group purchase it?

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:13Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Which is a tremendous supporter of Netanyahu and Israel.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  So, yeah, there you go. So, you got censored news now. So, any criticism of Palestine, what's going on in Gaza, all that stuff's gonna get squashed, probably. TikTok says does not have a rule that bans or blocks the word Epstein across the app, but many US users have recently been unable to send that word in direct messages. Now, I have a friend, his name's Bobby Epstein, totally unrelated. He's the guy who owns the Coda racetrack. He's a good friend of mine. I can't send a message saying, "I was just talking to my friend Bobby Epstein."

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Oh, no shit.

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  Epstein is a super common name.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  That's a super, it's like Jones.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  It was on Welcome Back Cotter.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. Epstein from Welcome Back Cotter, that's right.

• 5:03Speaker 03

  You can't talk about him anymore.

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  He played my brother on news radio.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Him, Nick DiPaolo and Brian Callen played my brothers. And we all just beat the shit out of each other the entire episode. It was hilarious. Yeah, Nick threw me through a play glass window. And then the brother shows up, Epstein was a priest, and he showed up with a bat. We were all scared of our older brother. It was really funny.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  He was the Jew, the Puerto Rican Jew from Brooklyn.

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes, he was great. He was a really nice guy, too. So, what else does it say here?

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  Newson to probe claims of Trump critical censorship on TikTok. I think they're fucking blocking a lot of things on certain social media platforms.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Well, what is that? I mean, what's your big picture take on whether or not social media platforms, which are privately owned, have responsibility that, say, regular broadcast networks would have in terms of not censoring things?

• 5:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, regular broadcasts' problem is they censor things.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  They don't just report on the news. They report on what they decide they're gonna report on. Like, it's a CNN hourly news segment. They have no responsibility to tell you about any particular story. None, zero.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  So, they'll wait till something becomes, like, unmanageable before they'll start talking about it.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  So, something like starts getting traction on social media, like some sort of a corruption scandal, if it's a left-wing scandal, they can ignore it.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:25Joe Rogan?

  And they have no obligation to, it's not like we have to tell you about these very credit. It's not like, you know, we ran it through AI. There's 20 things that the American public has to know about. So, they censor, or at least they curate the content. I think for social media platforms... If Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter, we would be fucked. Because there would be no place where you could say whatever you want. Even heinous things, right?

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:51Joe Rogan?

  But if someone says heinous things, you can block them and not interact with them. And you can let other people tear them down and tear them apart. And that's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be, you don't counter hate speech with censorship. You counter it with better speech.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:06Joe Rogan?

  And you appeal to rational people and sensible people that go, "This is why this guy is wrong. This is why racism is wrong. This is why rash generalizations are wrong. This is why it's wrong."

• 7:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:17Joe Rogan?

  And that's how you're supposed to do it. It's supposed to be a free speech town hall platform. It's supposed to be like the town square, where everybody can get together and talk about ideas. And that's how it should be.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:28Joe Rogan?

  And there's been a lot of calls that say that you shouldn't be able to be anonymous on social media. That you should have consequences for your actions. The problem with that is, then you lose all your whistleblowers, right? All the whistleblowers that are talking about giant corporations are doing horrible things to the environment, secretly in other countries, which we find out about all the time. Like the Steven Daszinger case, where that guy got arrested. But he was prosecuted, was it Exxon? The Daszinger case? But it's like whistleblowers are important.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, and if you don't have whistleblowers, you don't find out. Like if Edward Snowden doesn't come out, we know so little about the NSA. We know so little about government spying and... Yeah, he's an American former attorney known for his legal battle, oh Chevron. Particularly with, uh, so he was arrested and he went to jail, man, for criminal contempt.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  I mean, that's First Amendment, isn't it?

• 8:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, I don't know exactly the details of the case. He spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest. Wow.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Not only do they go to jail, it depletes all your savings. If they decide to prosecute you, your life is ruined.

• 8:43Joe Rogan?

  That's part of the point of it all. It's to also discourage other people from doing the same thing.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 8:48Joe Rogan?

  So if you're an attorney and you're thinking of prosecuting, you know, Shell, you're not gonna do that now. You're gonna go, "Fuck this, you know, I have a fucking house." Trying to buy a Porsche.

• 9:01Joe Rogan?

  And then you back out of it.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

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• 12:18Speaker 03

  You know. I mean, yeah, it's a weird thing because like I know like right now to cover the Pentagon, no journalist can go into the Pentagon unless they sign an agreement to only put out government-sponsored press releases.

• 12:38Joe Rogan?

  Government-approved?

• 12:39Speaker 03

  Government-approved. So now you've got very few people inside the Pentagon, which is where the whistleblowing was happening, in the back halls of the Pentagon.

• 12:47Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. But then, see, the problem with the Pentagon is you're talking about national security. And if someone released something like the name of an agent that was undercover somewhere and something happened, that person got killed or compromised, or some sort of a national security interest, you know, was, the whole thing was tanked?

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:09Joe Rogan?

  That's it. The Pentagon's different. I mean, I'm not saying that they... The press shouldn't have access to Pentagon officials. They certainly should. But it's like, going there is kind of different, right? It's like, the FBI just arrested, they just had a giant sweep on gangs in this country today. They just released that they found like, I think it was 10 kilos of drugs.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Like cartel gangs?

• 13:34Joe Rogan?

  Cartels, in America.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:36Joe Rogan?

  And so they made a giant arrest today. I think they arrested 200, see if you can find what that story is. But like, imagine if you were in the FBI office and you heard about an imminent attack, and you printed something. Like, if you're a reporter and you're covering this stuff and you have access to this information somehow. And it gets released and these guys find out about it and they skate. They nabbed 50 Latin Kings in Operation Broken Crown after 3 months sweep. So what is the details of it?

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay, last 3 months, FBI's quietly executed.

• 14:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay, um, this is on X.

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  Quietly executed Operation Broken Crown, a sweeping violent gang takedown involving 13 field officers, targeting the Latin Kings gangs. Members which were publicly threatening law enforcement officers. 50 arrests, $200,000 in seized assets. Seizure of 10 kilos of illicit narcotics.

• 14:40Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, so like, that kind of a situation, you can't have access to that information before they do it. That has to be very tight lipped, you know? But there's only a few of those kind of scenarios that I can imagine. But when it comes to like politicians and backdoor deals, like, there should be live footage of it.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Well, you only found out about the bomb, the illegal bombings in Cambodia because there was a whistleblower inside of the Pentagon.

• 15:15Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  So it does, you do need some access.

• 15:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's like, well, you need whistleblowers, right?

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  It's like, how many people, there's, here's the thing about like, intelligence agencies. There's a lot of good people that are working there. It's like, we judge them based on the evil people that are probably the ones with the most power. You know.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  There's probably a lot of like mid-level people working at the Pentagon, working at the CIA, working everywhere that are good people.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  Oh, are you kidding me? These are people that have dedicated their lives to trying to, you know, I, I'm the same way with cops. I think, you know, I got, I got three good buddies that are cops and they are absolutely went into it the same, the way a social worker goes into it.

• 15:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  And then there's the evil ones that, uh, you know, I think it was worse. I think, I think back like, you know, back in the days of like Serpico. You ever see that movie? Like, it was literally like the entire force was in on it.

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  You know, there was fucking legal gambling, legal drug dealing, no, nobody got touched.

• 16:17Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep. Yeah, they've always done that. I mean, that's how they ran the mob in Vegas.

• 16:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:22Joe Rogan?

  The mob ran Vegas with the cops.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, we're just talking about that outside. Like, why was Vegas and Atlantic City the only places allowed? I don't know why I said stupidly asked that. Like, Jamie's like, because of the mob, asshole.

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  Fucking, uh. Well, it was the mob and I think Nevada, there was also, Steve, this is true.

• 16:44Joe Rogan?

  There was supposedly a connection between the testing of nuclear weapons and then allowing the city, or the state, rather, to have gambling. Because Nevada was one of the rare places where they, like, routinely tested nuclear weapons.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if you've ever seen the video that shows a history of all the atomic bombs going off in the United States? The video is crazy because it starts with the first test, starts with the Trinity test, starts, they do the couple in the ocean. What's the matter? What's so funny?

• 17:19Speaker 04

  Uh, just the way this is worded?

• 17:21Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 17:22Speaker 04

  I asked if there is a connection between nuclear testing gambling in Las Vegas? And turns out, yeah, they would use it as a theme to attract gamblers.

• 17:31Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  Come see a bomb. Yeah. For the early 1950s to the 1960s, Las Vegas casinos and tourism promoters actively used nearby nuclear weapons tests as themed attraction to draw gamblers and visitors. Holy shit, man.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  Bomb parties.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  It's like how-

• 17:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, they had bomb parties on the rooftop. They would watch, they'd stay up gambling, drinking, and then step outside to watch the blast on the horizon.

• 17:59Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 18:00Speaker 04

  Atomic cocktail.

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Dude, it's like how Caesar's does fireworks now.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  They had atomic themed promotions, atomic cocktails, atomic hairdos, nuclear pinup imagery like Miss Atomic Blast.

• 18:15Joe Rogan?

  Slogans like Atomic City USA and Up in Adam to tie the test directly to Vegas nightlife and gambling culture. Holy shit, man.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  I wonder if you could place bets. Dude, I bet your eyebrows sing off.

• 18:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if they had the same thing like what they have now with modern prediction betting. Prediction betting, you can bet on pretty much everything.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  I just made a bet last night on, uh-

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  Go back down to where you were, stop, go with the bottom line. In short, nuclear weapons tests near Las Vegas were not just a backdrop. They were deliberately woven into casino marketing, party culture, and tourism that supported the city's gambling economy. But did it have, uh, the reason, like, here's my question. Was Nevada allowed to have gambling because of them allowing nuclear tests? Like, was there any sort of an agreement? Cause there's only two states at that time that allowed casinos, like real casinos.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  And it seems kinda weird that one of them, you know, New Jersey's always been fucking corrupt. That's the Sopranos. I mean, it's like the most mob-ridden fucking state in the country at the time.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Based in Atlantic City, pretty much.

• 19:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, cut the fucking shit. In Atlantic City-

• 19:31Speaker 03

  And then Vegas was Bugsy Siegel, right?

• 19:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay, well, since Nevada legalized most forms of gambling in 31, okay, so it doesn't make any sense because it's before that. So it's the Great Depression, economic measures, track tourists. So, no. So that theory doesn't hold up.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know that Vegas was started in 31. That's nuts.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  So basically, the Great Depression started and then they launched Vegas as a, as a way to raise money.

• 20:01Joe Rogan?

  Which is hilarious. You have no money. There's no jobs. Why don't you gamble? What?

• 20:06Speaker 03

  My gamble is going to the food line, seeing if I can get a loaf of bread. That's my gamble today.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  You know what's crazy is that lake keeps drying up because they were having a drought. They keep finding bodies in the lake.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Oh, no shit.

• 20:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like those metal barrels with like bodies inside of them. They've, they've found quite a few of them. How many bodies have they found? Is it Lake Mead, I believe? Yeah, so as it's drying up, it's at like, it was, I think it's probably picked up a little bit, but at one point in time was at a historic low.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  And so they were finding these fucking dead bodies. I think they found like a half a dozen of them. And I think they think there's a whole lot more in there.

• 20:41Speaker 03

  No shit.

• 20:42Joe Rogan?

  As of last, latest reporting, at least six separate discoveries of human remains, yeah, were made in Lake Mead in 2022 as the water level dropped, representing at least several different individuals. Wow. Um, find out that thing where they stopped searching for guns and bodies. I think it was in MacArthur Park and why they did that.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  David Tell, back in his insomniac days, he used to hang, he hung out with some dark motherfuckers in New York.

• 21:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  And he used to bring this guy in who was, uh, he was a New York City cop and they basically said, we'll double your pay and give you early retirement if you put on a frog suit every night and you go out into, I think it was Flushing Bay, one of the bays out in Queens, which was a famous place where the mob was dropping bodies. And, uh, the guy would go into the water in a frog suit and he'd wait by this bridge. And when they drop a body, he'd fucking call it in. And he did that the night shift. And he'd finish that and he'd come into the Comedy Cellar at like 4 a.m.

• 21:46Joe Rogan?

  So he'd wait in the ocean in a scuba suit?

• 21:48Speaker 03

  In a, in a bay.

• 21:49Joe Rogan?

  For them to drop a body?

• 21:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:50Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit. They were dropping that many bodies?

• 21:54Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  That you could just wait for them.

• 22:00Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. Search of MacArthur Park for guns and possible bodies was stopped because authorities said it was an unpermitted and potentially unsafe operation on city park property. Uh, okay, so it was a businessman, so it was a private thing, so that's probably what it was. So officials, official reasons given, organizers led by businessman John, I don't know how to spell his name, A L L E, how do you say that, Ale? Uh, plan to use sonar and remotely operated vehicles to look for weapons and human remains in the lake. Los Angeles Park Rangers halted the effort before the sonar entered the water, saying the team did not have the required permits or clearances.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay, why didn't you guys do that, though? If you really think, if this guy really thinks that there could be bodies and guns in the lake, why wouldn't you guys search for bodies and guns if someone could search for it?

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:55Joe Rogan?

  It seems like there's probably a lot of people missing, a lot of crimes that could be solved, a lot of resources that have already been spent on cases, you could probably get to the bottom of a lot of things. Uh, Ale, Ale, I don't know how to say his name, uh, said families of missing people, some of whom were last seen near MacArthur Park, had reached out to him for help, which inspired the idea of a large-scale sonar search of the lake. There is, there's evidence down there for crimes, he said. We'll identify it with photography and the city will have to extract it.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  It also could be, these are homeless people and the government doesn't give a shit.

• 23:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  They can't swim. Come on, they were kids once.

• 23:33Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to swim when you're on meth. You have bad cardio. You know, if one guy says, this is the last day I do meth, today I get in shape, and he tries to swim across the lake, and fucking strokes out in the middle of it.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  This is my day.

• 23:47Joe Rogan?

  Uh, never gave him, oh geez, I'm in there. What are they saying about me?

• 23:51Speaker 04

  It's an ad.

• 23:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's an ad?

• 23:53Speaker 04

  That's basically, yeah, it's an ad down at the bottom.

• 23:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I mocked the AI-generated, that was, that was crazy. The AI-generated photo that MSNBC put, MSNBC put up of the guy who got shot in Minneapolis, they changed his appearance.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Alex Preddy?

• 24:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  They changed his appearance in what way?

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  They made him handsome.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Oh, they did?

• 24:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you haven't seen it?

• 24:15Speaker 03

  No.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  You have to see it.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  It's there. I don't know who's doing this.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  It's almost like, like, someone from the Republican side is like a secret plant at MSNBC. Because they know that stuff like this is gonna get caught. Look at the difference between the one on the left and one on the right.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Well, the nose looks blurry on the one on the left.

• 24:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's his nose. That's what he looks like. It's just a shitty picture. But they cleaned the picture up. They made his nose smaller. They gave him a tan. They made his forehead shorter. They made his jaw wider. They made his shoulders thicker.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  They gave him more bicep. They made him more handsome. They made his neck thicker.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  He looks better.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 24:57Joe Rogan?

  The guy on the right looks like a good-looking guy. The guy on the left looks, you know, like Ari's unfortunate brother.

• 25:04Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't he?

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Poor Ari's brother. I mean, it's so funny that Ari comes from this family. I mean, he grew up Orthodox Jewish, right?

• 25:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:17Speaker 03

  And the things that he has put out there, um, for a family to have to see, it makes you realize, and they love him, like, they accept it. And it's, it's all about grace. And I love Jews because, like, they are very accepting, you know? As much as you might be Orthodox, I find, my, my wife is half-Jewish. And there's something very open-minded about Jews. I mean, they were the original hippies, and they were the original communists in America. And they were always open to different ideas. And I think, when I think about Ari's family, if they were Christian conservative versus Jewish conservative, I don't know that they'd be as accepting of him.

• 26:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, Ari's dad survived the Holocaust.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  No shit.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Ari's dad has a tattoo.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's very old.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  He must be one of the oldest people left with a tattoo, I mean.

• 26:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he talked to me about having his dad on. He asked me if I'd be interested in it, if his dad ever wants to do it, because, you know, he doesn't have much time left. And I said, absolutely. And he goes, you know, let me, I'm not sure if he'd be interested in, but if he did, I think it would be important to talk about.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  I mean, he's got to be over a hundred years old.

• 26:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how old he is. He's old, though. Well, how long ago was?

• 26:37Speaker 03

  You would have to have been born, oh no, actually, if he was born in nineteen thirty-five.

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  I think he's in his eighties, his late eighties.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, yeah, what am I thinking? Right, right. Because they tattooed the fucking kids.

• 26:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Jesus.

• 26:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's dark. It's horrible. It's so crazy, dude. It's so crazy that that was less than a hundred years ago.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  I know, I know. And the Germans like that, fucking Norm MacDonald bit about how, you know, Germany is the country we really should be afraid of, like, the way they start world wars and what they're like, it's really fucking nuts.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were the barbarians back in the day.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Oh, right.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, they, I mean, we think of now as engineers, they make BMWs.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  But back then, they were the barbarians during the Roman era, the German tribes.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  I guess the Vikings were Scandinavian, and then they were fighting against the Vikings.

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  The Germans were fucking terrifying.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  They were terrifying. And they all became engineers. They became like brilliant, like very disciplined people, which is interesting, because Germany's known for that.

• 27:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  And, but also shit porn, remember? Like, in the early days of the internet?

• 27:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  A lot of the shit porn, like weird, crazy, like shitting on people. A lot of that was coming, and we were trying to analyze it one day, and I was like, it's probably because if you're so buttoned down and so disciplined and regimented and conservative in your daily life, the way you cut loose is like, you shit in each other's mouths and fuck each other in the butt. Like, some of the craziest shit porn was coming out of Germany.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:12Joe Rogan?

  This was like... Late 90s, early 2000s, when we first started like finding weird websites that would, you know, you'd be able to find things on.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  Oh, no, before that, I'd go to Sex World in New York, where you sit in those booths and you put in quarters and you watch porn. And they always had the darkest German porn in there.

• 28:30Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of animals and shit. And I'm like, I'm like 15 years old going like, and I've got these coins. You go in and you give the guy 10 bucks and he gives you a handful of coins. Just imagine if you put a black light on those fucking coins. And I got them in my hand.

• 28:46Joe Rogan?

  Just jizz all over those things?

• 28:47Speaker 03

  And I'm feeding them into the...

• 28:49Joe Rogan?

  Black lights are terrifying.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  I'm pushing buttons to pick which film to watch.

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  I have a friend who brought a black light into a hotel room. He said, "You just find jizz on the carpet."

• 28:58Speaker 03

  No kidding?

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you find jizz on the fucking blanket sometimes. You go to any, like, go to a cheap hotel or a motel, how well do you think they're cleaning those carpets? You think they clean the walls?

• 29:07Speaker 03

  I've been in hotels where they put the remote control in a baggie for you. Cause they say that's the most... No, no, cause so you don't have to touch the remote. And then they change the baggie on the remote each time a new guest comes in.

• 29:20Joe Rogan?

  So you're supposed to remote through the bag?

• 29:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:23Joe Rogan?

  Who does that?

• 29:24Speaker 03

  I take it out of the bag.

• 29:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 29:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  That's ridiculous. I'm touching toilet seats, I'm touching everything. What are we talking about here?

• 29:33Speaker 03

  I'm also not that afraid of cum, you know?

• 29:36Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's not what's gonna kill ya.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, that's just kinda gross, but...

• 29:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, think about how much shit is on the average person's cellphone. Have you ever heard of that?

• 29:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 29:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just touch your cellphone with a swab, like get a swab and get it analyzed. You'll find fecal matter all over your cellphone.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Well, cause we're scrolling while we're on the toilet.

• 29:56Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people are, yeah, a lot of people. And also you're touching things and then you touch your phone. And how many people touch their ass, then touch a thing, a doorknob, or this and that? You're getting fecal matter on everything.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you have a cat. I used to think about that all the time when I had cats. Like, the cats are in the shit box. They're scratching around there and then they're walking on your counter.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:16Joe Rogan?

  They're walking, you know, they don't give a fuck where they go, they go everywhere. And you don't care, you're like, "Hey buddy."

• 30:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:21Joe Rogan?

  You pet them when they're on the counter, you want to shit in their paws.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  Then your dog licks his asshole and then licks, and then people have licked their face.

• 30:28Joe Rogan?

  They licked my face.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Really?

• 30:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  No!

• 30:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I let him give me kisses.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  Have you seen him lick his asshole?

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  I have. For sure, especially my puppy. I have a little puppy now.

• 30:40Speaker 03

  Imagine a black light on your face right now?

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  My puppy goes right, you know, I have a little-

• 30:44Speaker 03

  You'd look like you were in blackface.

• 30:46Joe Rogan?

  Probably. It's a splatter, like I'm the Joker.

• 30:51Speaker 03

  Al Jolson.

• 30:52Joe Rogan?

  He goes, I have a puppy, like, he's a King Charles Cavalier. He's a little tiny, cute. He's so fucking cute. And then I have the Golden Retriever. And the puppy runs right up to the Golden Retriever, sticks his face in his dick, and then sticks his face in his asshole. That's the first thing he does to him every time. Face on the dick, face on the asshole. I'm like, "Bro!"

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 31:12Joe Rogan?

  "What are you doing?"

• 31:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:14Joe Rogan?

  They, that's just dogs.

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:16Joe Rogan?

  That's what they do.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  It's funny how they, yeah, I had two dogs, and they did that, yeah, every fucking day. They sniffed each other. Like, you know, I mean, I guess that's how they know if something changed. Maybe they know if the other dog is sick, or if the other dog is breeding with another dog. It's like, kinda checking their emails.

• 31:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, they get so much information from smell that we can't even possibly process.

• 31:39Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  They say that a dog can smell a cheeseburger. They don't just smell the cheeseburger, they smell every individual ingredient. They smell the mustard, they smell the pickle, they smell everything. They smell the lettuce.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they smell, they smell, they think they, dogs smell anxiety.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 31:55Joe Rogan?

  They smell, like, moods. That's why when certain people come over your house, they're scared of dogs. Dogs get sketchy with them. Like, "What the fuck's up with this guy?" Like, "Oh, he doesn't like you."

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, well, it's because the person's probably nervous, they're giving off a scent.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Hey, no, my mom, her sister was attacked really bad by a dog when they were little, so my mom has this trauma about dogs. We had these little, fuck, we had a Shih Tzu and a Lhasa Apso, they're just little dogs. She was terrified, and the dogs would growl at her, and they didn't growl at anybody.

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:25Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, yeah. They smell things, they sense things.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:30Joe Rogan?

  That's why people have them as guards. I mean, that's their, that's how they, that's how they made it.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  To be dogs. They were the wolves that hung out with us and would let us know when something's going down.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Sentinels.

• 32:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, uh, well, I have a very strong olfactory sense. Like, I'm very, of my five senses, I would put it up there at the top. Like, I- I love perfume.

• 32:54Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 32:54Speaker 03

  I love perfume. I don't like when women wear too much of it and then they hug you at the comedy store and then you go home and you smell like fucking perfume. You're like, honey, it's just Whitney Cummings has this new Chanel.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  But like sometimes I'll be, I'll walk, I'll be sitting somewhere and I'll smell some nice perfume and I'll fucking whip my head around. It's like some 81 year old woman hunched over and you're like, oh.

• 33:19Joe Rogan?

  Didn't wear the old ladies, no matter how old they are, they'll still put on the makeup, they'll still put on the perfume. Let it out. Time to go out and see, go fishing. See if this old bait can catch a bass.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, right, right. Yeah, there's this bar up at my, where my mom lives in Florida. And there's this bar and it's like a famous cougar bar. And it's all these rich women who's, because you know, men die faster.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  It's like, it's impossible for a woman in Florida who's in her 70s to find a guy who's, you know, anywhere near her age. She's got to date a guy in his late 80s if she's in her 70s.

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  And so these women go to this bar and they are, like you said, they're wearing, so a lot of leopards, a lot of leopard print.

• 34:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're letting you know.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  They had stiletto heels. It's like stiletto heels, but the toes are all fucking twisted and mangled.

• 34:14Joe Rogan?

  My wife has been watching this horrible show that's on Netflix. It's like one of those housewife shows, but it's all West Palm Beach ladies. It's all these like rich ladies with plastic surgery.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Palm Beach, not West Palm Beach.

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  That's right. Palm Beach ladies, is Palm Beach the rich area?

• 34:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Is West Palm like the more moderate area?

• 34:34Speaker 03

  No, no, it's poor.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  It's poor?

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, it has, it has good sections, but it has, with the people that work on Palm Beach, cleaning the houses, live in West Palm Beach.

• 34:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  Because there's basically, Palm Beach is a bridge to get to, do you know the history of Palm Beach?

• 34:50Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  They.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I do. Yeah, but go ahead.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  They created it. It was like a sandbar that they built up. And then they hired, they didn't hire, they hired a bunch of black people to come on the island and build all the houses, the infrastructure.

• 35:04Joe Rogan?

  Why black people?

• 35:05Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 35:08Joe Rogan?

  I mean, for sure, they only hired black people?

• 35:10Speaker 03

  I mean, look it up, Jamie, but like, all I know is there was a lot of black people doing the building. They finished it, and then the island held a big party for the black people on the end of the island to celebrate, and then they torched all their houses.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 35:24Speaker 03

  And forced them off the island, yeah, that's the history of Palm Beach.

• 35:26Joe Rogan?

  They torched their houses?

• 35:28Speaker 03

  Torched the houses.

• 35:29Joe Rogan?

  After they were done building the mansions?

• 35:30Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah. And it's probably the wealthiest piece of real estate in the country right now.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

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• 37:05Joe Rogan?

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• 37:21Joe Rogan?

  So imagine a guy who built your house, he's at home with his kid.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:26Joe Rogan?

  Having a, you know, wow, what a great job I got.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:30Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 37:30Speaker 03

  And then I get to live in this beautiful place.

• 37:33Joe Rogan?

  Get to live in this place, I helped build these beautiful mansions that we drive by.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  These people are gonna love me because I helped them create a life.

• 37:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, and they lit their fucking houses on fire?

• 37:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:42Joe Rogan?

  Pull up that story, I need to hear about that, that's crazy. But these ladies are just monsters. This is, it's just all like the social status.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:52Joe Rogan?

  It's all like who's got the most money, like they don't even know how much money I have.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, like I'm a millionaire.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  And then they have these clubs, my, my friend's father lives there and he belongs to a club.

• 38:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you gotta belong to a club.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  And he, he worked for, I won't say who the person was, but a very famous Jewish family. And he, uh, she went to lunch one day at one of these clubs that didn't allow Jews. And the waiter would-

• 38:17Joe Rogan?

  The clubs still don't allow Jews?

• 38:19Speaker 03

  No, this is going back 20 years at the most.

• 38:21Joe Rogan?

  Only 20 years ago?

• 38:22Speaker 03

  20 years ago.

• 38:23Joe Rogan?

  So in 2006, 2006?

• 38:26Speaker 03

  Probably about that.

• 38:27Joe Rogan?

  There was clubs that didn't allow Jews?

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, you know, the, where the ma- Augusta, where they play the Masters, only started allowing black members in like the 80s. Remember Tiger Woods was playing there and he got shit because he was a black playing at a club where they didn't allow black people?

• 38:43Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 38:43Speaker 03

  And they said, how could you do that?

• 38:44Joe Rogan?

  During Tiger Woods' lifetime?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 38:47Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:49Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  So anyway, so this Jewish woman goes to the club, the waiter wouldn't come over to the table. And finally the member went over and goes, what's going, we can't, we can't serve, can't serve her.

• 39:01Joe Rogan?

  How'd they even know she was Jewish?

• 39:03Speaker 03

  She's famous.

• 39:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I can say who it is. It was Estee Lauder's wife.

• 39:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Or was Estee Lauder the woman? Yeah. Estee Lauder is the, the woman, it was her.

• 39:17Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  One of the richest women in the country.

• 39:19Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:20Joe Rogan?

  We can't, we can't serve her because of her religion?

• 39:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:24Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow. And that was 2006?

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Hey, the country clubs, you know, the, the rule on it was, well, look, the Friars Club-

• 39:33Joe Rogan?

  We need to make sure that's true. The Estee Lauder one. I definitely want to find out about the burning.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Well, the Estee Lauder is personal information. I don't know that that's not published anywhere.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  Alright, forget about that then.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  But, uh, but no, segregation in clubs, private clubs, used to get away with that until I was a member of the Friars Club in New York. And they did not allow female members until I was there in, it was the late, mid 90s before the Friars Club allowed female members. And the reason was legally, you can't have a club exclude people if you can prove business is being done there. If there's commerce. If there's no business, you can let in whoever you want.

• 40:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  So that's how they got female members in there. And I think they probably, I mean, obviously, business is being done at golf clubs.

• 40:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, business is definitely being done at the Friars Club.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:23Joe Rogan?

  I mean, a lot of deals probably got made there, a lot of ideas got hatched.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, all these comics.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  It was all agents, it was agents and comics.

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  I remember, you used to love that place.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Dude, it was so fucking great.

• 40:36Joe Rogan?

  You were always telling me about it. It was so unappealing to me. I was like, ugh.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  It was a, it was a clubhouse for comedians. We used to go there, they had pool, they had two beautiful pool tables. I played on the Friars Club pool team and my, and we used to play against other clubs in the city. All the other private clubs. Paul Servino was my partner in pool.

• 40:55Joe Rogan?

  Paul Servino could play.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  He was good.

• 40:57Joe Rogan?

  He was good. He was like, he could run 100 balls in straight pool. He was like a legit, like, high-level player.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  So he carried me, but we used to play all the clubs and then, you know, and then you get, they got a nice gym with the best steam room in the city. And then they got these lazy boys. You work out, you take a fucking steam and you send a lazy boy and you read the newspaper. And then they got a dining room downstairs where Henny Youngman is at one table, Alan Kings of the, you know, and these guys, like those old, those old Borish Bell comics, they lived to make you laugh. It's not like comedians today, so many of them are dark and quiet and disturbed. These guys fucking told jokes and they roasted you and they hugged you and it was like, it was like a part of being on stage almost, you know? It was expected.

• 41:45Joe Rogan?

  Right. And then they probably all felt real comfortable in this, you know, comics-only club too.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 41:51Joe Rogan?

  Folklore surrounding the sticks of Palm Beach, so that's what it is.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  That's the area, what they called it.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  So. Go to the top of that, please?

• 41:58Speaker 04

  Well.

• 41:59Joe Rogan?

  Right there. Uh, turn of 20th century's employment boom of unprecedented proportions to South Florida. The hiring of thousands of black laborers to extend Henry Flagler's Florida East Coast Railroad. Uh, this is the East Coast Railroad. Um, these laborers played a key role in the development of the early Palm Beach. Also helped to build the Royal Point- Pointiana Hotel. Flagler's White Hall Residence, which is today known as the Henry Flagler Museum.

• 42:29Joe Rogan?

  Uh, laborers and their families settled in Palm Beach Island between North County Road and Sunrise Avenue. This area of shanties and tent-like homes soon became known as the Sticks. Many of those descendants still live in the area today. So what happened? Does it say what happened? Okay. Along came a fellow named Henley Flagler, who decided he needed that land to build on to develop. Little said, and he threw a party for all the blacks on the island. And they all went over to the party and while they were celebrating and enjoying themselves, their homes on the island of the town of Palm Beach burned down mysteriously. Holy fuck, dude.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:11Joe Rogan?

  From what I heard, McCray said, he got with the residents and set up a party on West Palm Beach side and had everybody ferried over to the party and then had a mob of people to burn up people's homes. And shanties and tents all over the Sticks and forced them out of there and took the land. How many people died?

• 43:28Speaker 04

  Uh, there, I don't know how many people died, it says they were all gone, so, but there's around two thousand people.

• 43:31Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what about their kids?

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Around two thousand people living in that area is what it said.

• 43:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  And then, uh, this is the problem, when I was looking it up on Wikipedia, this is basically what I read.

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Palm Beach Historical Society version is very different. Published text only says that by 1912, the Sti- the tenants of the Sticks had been evicted. That doesn't mean anything. They could have still been there.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  I'm sure Flagler threw some money at the Palm Beach Historical Society.

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course, right? No mention of a fire, any record of large-scale homelessness that would have followed such a devastating blaze. Everly Clark believes his version is the most accurate and the Styx was actually legislated out of existence. They claim there was a fire and Flagler had the people come to circus and all that, but that's not true. Still, more than a century later, the urban legend remains strong and the pulse of public opinion split. There are so many historical facts that make some of the scurrilous removal of the residents believable that it's become lore for the most part in the black community. Alright, well, let's find out if there's a historical record of the fires.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  This is all I could get to.

• 44:35Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 44:35Speaker 04

  This is a local news.

• 44:37Joe Rogan?

  And what year was this supposedly?

• 44:39Speaker 04

  1919, 1919, 1912.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I bet they did it.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  I mean, look what they did in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

• 44:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  You know, this was part of the playbook.

• 44:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, look what they did with the Duskegee Experiment.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:54Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. Like, how about that? They knowingly had all these people with syphilis and didn't treat them, just to study them, to see what would happen to them. Did they give people syphilis, or did they just treat them for syphilis?

• 45:06Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 45:07Joe Rogan?

  Whatever it was, they let these fucking people rot and die. Syphilis is a fucking horrible disease to die from.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Tell me about it.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  Did you get it?

• 45:16Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the story about syphilis and wigs?

• 45:18Speaker 03

  No.

• 45:19Joe Rogan?

  You don't know that?

• 45:19Speaker 03

  No.

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  All those dudes in like, the ancient times that had the big wigs?

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  That was to cover up their hair loss from syphilis.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Dude, how did not everybody have it?

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, they all had wigs. They all had it back then. In high society, first of all, those people were basically like Game of Thrones. They were all just fucking freaks banging each other. You know, French, French society has always been like very loose sexually. And so these two royals, were they brothers or cousins?

• 45:50Joe Rogan?

  So these guys get syphilis, their hair falls out, right? You get holes in your face and shit and they're still fucking everybody, right? And so they got wigs made. And the more money you had, the more elaborate and big your wig was. That's why rich people are big wigs.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  No.

• 46:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 46:11Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. That term that we always use when we were kids, uh, is a big wig.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:17Joe Rogan?

  That's like ancient. That goes back to the 1400s.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  That's like something you would hear on, uh, that guy Cody Tucker's, uh, feed.

• 46:26Joe Rogan?

  I love that guy.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  I'm doing his podcast on Sunday.

• 46:29Joe Rogan?

  He's great. He's great. Very smart guy.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:32Joe Rogan?

  Here's what's interesting. There's real, there's a strong connection between the syphilis that evolved in North America and the syphilis that these guys had in Europe. Like, there's always been syphilis, but syphilis had an outbreak in Europe after people came to North America, probably fucked a bunch of Native Americans, and then went back to Europe with these fucking diseases.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  And then it mutated.

• 46:59Joe Rogan?

  It's a different kind of syphilis.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 47:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  They were cousins, it turns out.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  They were cousins. Yeah, that's what I thought. So this is a story. They were commonly used to cover up hair loss. But their use did not become widespread until two kings started to lose their hair. King Louis XIV of France experienced hair loss at the age of 17, then hired 48 wig makers

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Forty-eight?

• 47:22Joe Rogan?

  To help combat his thinning locks. So a lot of these guys wound up getting syphilis, and there was, you know, normal hair loss on top of it. Both conditions being syphilitic signals. Everybody had syphilis back then, man. There was, I mean, they probably didn't wear condoms, they're probably all freaks, they're probably doing cocaine. Yes.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  I mean, that's what you did. When you were a wealthy guy, you went to the whorehouse all the time. Then you came home and you gave it to your wife, then she had a baby, and a lot, depending on the disease, babies are born with the sexually transmitted disease that you gave your wife.

• 47:57Joe Rogan?

  Right. And that's what the crazy thing about the Epstein leaks today. The, the, the one email they had.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  And we're here.

• 48:03Joe Rogan?

  That said that... It said that Bill Gates wanted to get from him antibiotics to give to Melinda because he got syphilis, or he got something.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 48:15Joe Rogan?

  The clap, chlamydia, whatever he got. He got some sort of an STD from a prostitute?

• 48:19Speaker 03

  Do you think if she could have the choice between getting the, what did she get? Fifty billion dollars? Or not getting the syphilis?

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, whatever she got. I bet it wasn't syphilis. It was probably the clap. It was probably chlamydia or something like that.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  That's no big deal.

• 48:32Joe Rogan?

  But if, who knows if that's true, though? Here's the thing, like Epstein clearly was some sort of a blackmailer. And this is an email that Epstein wrote. So it could be complete fiction. Epstein could have wrote that just to put pressure on Bill Gates for some fucking business deal. Who fucking knows? He could have spread rumors and then said that it'll squash those rumors. These guys are dealing in deception and blackmail and so you can't like assume that it's true.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Think about how many relationships Epstein had and that he was working almost every one of them, leveraging and he was kind of brilliant.

• 49:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was really good at that.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:17Joe Rogan?

  That one thing, you know? Guy could have cured cancer if he went into that business.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  Well, he was into science, yes.

• 49:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was also into compromising scientists, right? Like, let's say that you want to get a drug passed, right? And you want FDA approval of this drug, but it's some sort of a competing drug. Well, you have a bunch of scientists on your side and these scientists can go attack that competing drug. And then all of a sudden, well, you have this guy, he comes from MIT and he says this. And like, oh, and then the FDA listens to him. I mean, it's very important to have the leverage of respected academics.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 49:50Joe Rogan?

  You know? Epstein with a smiley emoji asked former Israeli PM Ehud Barak, is that how you say his name? Ehud Barak? To clarify, he does not work for the Mossad in a meeting with a senior Qatari investment official.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  Starts at the bottom and goes up.

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Hi, are you gonna be in London on Thursday? Best, EB.

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  You? Unfortunately not. You should make clear that I don't work for Mossad, smiley face.

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  You or I, question mark, that I don't, smiley face.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, he doesn't work for them. He just, he just volunteers for them.

• 50:28Joe Rogan?

  With a smiley, smiley face emojis are hilarious.

• 50:33Joe Rogan?

  Evil cocksuckers, he's a smiley face emojis? That's hilarious.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Dude, this is really good show about Mossad called Tehran. Have you heard of that?

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  No. Oh, I have heard about it. I haven't watched it, though. Is it good?

• 50:48Speaker 03

  It's really good. I mean, it's a really good look inside of what goes on in Iran in terms of, I mean, the Israelis are fucking brilliant. The infiltration that they did into-

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  No one's like them. They're the best.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:01Joe Rogan?

  They're the best at that. Well, they have to be, right? Like, this is them, this table is people who hate them.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, right, right.

• 51:08Joe Rogan?

  You gotta become a bad motherfucker. Your neighbors don't want you dead.

• 51:11Speaker 03

  Those pagers going off in Lebanon, that was a, that was a long play.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  Months and months and months.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Years!

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  Was it years?

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Years!

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:21Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Crazy. They're like, I know-

• 51:24Speaker 03

  The page is right next to your cock.

• 51:26Joe Rogan?

  Blow your dick off. You blow a hole through your pelvis, apparently. That's how you die.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  And you're isolating your enemy. You're not, there's no civilian casualties.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, I bet they probably got some kids.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  But low, low percentage versus bombing a building or something.

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  Which they did do, too. Yeah, yeah. They did some of that, like the guys in the building.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  I was on a-

• 51:47Joe Rogan?

  Alright, level the building.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  I was on Good Day LA one time. You know, it's all those, like, pretty women. They're actually really sharp. They're great. And, uh, and I go, uh, they say, "Oh, you came alone?" I go, "No, my, my agent's supposed to be here any minute. He's Lebanese. I just paged him before I got here, but I haven't heard anything back."

• 52:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah!

• 52:05Speaker 03

  And they, fuck, they were like, "Whoa!" It just happened like three days before.

• 52:12Joe Rogan?

  Didn't we just, not we, didn't Israel just bomb Lebanon today?

• 52:16Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  I believe so. Yeah, at least according to Twitter.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  Well, what's going on in Iran? I heard things are heating up over there.

• 52:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, Trump just said they're sending ships in that area, and he said, but he also said Iran wants to make a deal. So, maybe he's trying to put pressure on them to make a deal.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, hopefully, nothing happens in terms of like military intervention. It's scary shit, dude, because they have nuclear weapons, or they have the potential to eventually have nuclear weapons. But, you know, I don't know. Did Israel bomb?

• 52:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was some image that showed like some fucking huge explosion. It said Israel just bombed Lebanon.

• 53:04Joe Rogan?

  They definitely have recently.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  I've seen something about airstrikes late Friday, or I guess it'd be late there, right?

• 53:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  It's nighttime over there.

• 53:15Speaker 04

  Maybe, yeah. No, there's not, I mean, if it is, it's like it's just breaking, it's sort of just hitting the news. Here's some stuff.

• 53:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, like, there are, you know, there it is.

• 53:26Speaker 04

  Two hours ago.

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  Israel bombs Lebanon, yeah.

• 53:28Speaker 04

  But it's like the only thing I'm seeing about it, which is...

• 53:31Joe Rogan?

  Well...

• 53:31Speaker 04

  That doesn't usually happen.

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  It's probably all just coming out, right?

• 53:34Speaker 04

  No, I mean, when you type in that on...

• 53:36Joe Rogan?

  That's all you see is that one, so that might not be true. Click on that link, see if anybody's disputing it. Click on that tweet.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  It's only got 15 responses.

• 53:45Joe Rogan?

  This is true, Grok, click on that.

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  Yes, multiple sources indicate, report Israeli airstrikes in southern Lebanon on January 30th. Targeting Hezbollah, IDF confirmed a wave of strikes, Lebanese media noted the drone hit in... say that word.

• 54:06Joe Rogan?

  How do you say that word?

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Sidikin?

• 54:08Joe Rogan?

  Sidikin, killing one. Times of Israel on Serak, news for details. Shafak, shafak, whatever you say that is, news for details.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  We're so fucking lucky, man. We got no neighbors. Nobody's launching.

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're in a good spot geographically. Being separated by oceans on both sides is fucking nice. Which is why we should be really good friends with Canada. Like, what the fuck's going on? Trump ruined that whole thing, man, because if he didn't talk about turning Canada to the 51st state, the conservatives were gonna win. Pierre Polovet would have taken over. It would have been like, they would have like eased a lot of the restrictions, made it a lot more common sense.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Dude, China was just up there, they just made a huge deal to get all their cars from China now. We're not gonna sell any American cars in Canada.

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, it's a real problem, because China has some fucking amazing cars. Amazing cars now. Bro, they're not fucking around. Their electric vehicles are top of the food chain, man. Tesla just yesterday, they just stopped the Model X, uh, Model S and X production.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  I saw that.

• 55:13Joe Rogan?

  Apparently Elon is, this Optimus robot is gonna change the world.

• 55:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:19Joe Rogan?

  Everybody that I know that's seen it, when this thing integrates with AI, you're gonna have a fucking dude in your house. You're gonna have a super genius robot dude in your house.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Does he look like?

• 55:33Joe Rogan?

  Looks like iRobot, and he's gonna be able to do whatever the fuck you need him to do. Go dig a ditch, go do this, take out the garbage.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  You know what's fucking great is for old people that live alone?

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  They know everything about your life, they could actually hold a conversation with you.

• 55:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  Show pictures of your fucking grandkids on their chest while they know your interests, ask you memories. All people want to do is talk about, you know, memories, and they're gonna listen.

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they'll talk to you.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:00Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, they'll confirm all of your delusions. Tesla to build 1 million Optimus robots per year at Fremont factory. 1 million a year.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  We need these robots, because they're gonna terraform the moon and Mars. Like, we're not gonna do it, the robots are gonna do it.

• 56:17Joe Rogan?

  I, I don't think anybody's going to Mars, not in our lifetime. I think that's all. The future.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  It's a little chilly up there.

• 56:26Joe Rogan?

  It's not just that. It's just like, no one's gonna wanna do it. You'd have only suicidal people wanna go.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  It's a one-way trip.

• 56:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you can get back. You can get back. It used to be a one-way trip. Now they figured out you can get back.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 56:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you have to wait six months.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:39Joe Rogan?

  You get back like every six months. That's that movie, The Martian.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  Plus, the flight's gonna be delayed.

• 56:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:44Joe Rogan?

  Or hope, you just hope it doesn't get hit with a micrometeor while it's out in space.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 56:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, all kinds of weird shit can happen.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  What's a micrometeor?

• 56:51Joe Rogan?

  Micrometeor's.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  Well, micrometeor's.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Tiny ones are flying around. They just punch holes through everything.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 56:56Joe Rogan?

  They're going like a hundred and seventy thousand miles an hour and they just go whipping through the building.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  How much junk is there in space right now in terms of like satellites that just crapped out?

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, just, if you ever looked at the amount of satellites that are surrounding the Earth?

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:10Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking bananas.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts. And then there's...

• 57:13Speaker 03

  And there's no plan for when they expire, right? They just stay up there?

• 57:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, some of them, they lose their orbit. Their orbit decays and then they come crashing down to the Earth.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 57:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that happens. And, you know, they have to figure out where they're gonna hit, you know, and hopefully they don't hit the middle of fucking, you know, Dusseldorf.

• 57:33Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, you could hit a major city.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  It's a funny city to say. Dusseldorf.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it could, you know, you got a fucking satellite down there. It could land right in your face.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's wild.

• 57:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  I went, um, to SpaceX for the launch of the last rocket. I watched the launch.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 57:55Joe Rogan?

  Jamie did too. We were right there. Uh, and, uh, I went into the control room with Elon and watched the entire journey. While it was flying over the Earth and it lands, it touched down in Australia in the ocean. Thirty-five minutes later.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Really?

• 58:13Joe Rogan?

  It was nuts.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  So it breaks through the atmosphere, travels, and then comes straight down?

• 58:17Joe Rogan?

  Yep, shoots up into space. Goes and you get to watch because they have like twenty fucking cameras on the thing the entire time, live streaming through Starlink. So you're live streaming the interior, they're monitoring the pressure of the cabin, they're monitoring all these different things. And so the, this is the way they, they test tolerances. It's like when a lot of people say, oh, his rockets blow up, he's a dumbass. They want the rockets to blow up. Like, they have to find out, like, what makes the rocket blow up. Like, how much pressure can you put? How thin do the walls have to, how reinforced do things have to be?

• 58:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then they make adjustments.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  So trying a new bit.

• 58:51Joe Rogan?

  They make adjustments.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  That's what they do. Like, so they've, they've calculated in a certain amount of failures that they expect to have.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:58Joe Rogan?

  And this one actually had a failure but still landed.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  So that's gonna be the new first class, is going to Australia in thirty-five minutes.

• 59:07Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-five minutes.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  Boom.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  Nuts. Thirty-five minutes. Touchdown in the ocean.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  But a pretty intense ride, I would imagine. I mean, that's not a smooth ride.

• 59:19Joe Rogan?

  But touchdown in an exact spot where they had boats ready, they had cameras filming it. They, they filmed the entire touchdown.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  Does it have to be over the ocean, or are they, can they land on land?

• 59:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, his rockets can now land on land. You've seen how that, that thing comes down and lands on the ground, which is bananas. And then they stopped landing them on the ground, now they catch them with arms. It's even more efficient. You've seen that, right?

• 59:43Speaker 03

  Well, because NASA was wasting so much money, because every single rocket was ruined when it came back.

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what's crazy? NASA is about to launch the Artemis mission, and no one's talking about it.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Where's that going?

• 59:57Joe Rogan?

  NASA is, they're sending people around the moon and having them come back to Earth, and you hear nothing about it.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:00:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, have you heard about it?

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:00:05Joe Rogan?

  No, me neither. You know how I found out about it? Somebody asked me at the club. Some guy in the audience said, what do you think about the Artemis mission? I go, what is it? And he's like, NASA's got a, a mission, that they're flying people around the moon. I'm like, when? He's like, February. I'm like, come on, really?

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  Well, what's the mission? What are they trying to do?

• 1:00:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Let's find out. Artemis II.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  They're not landing on the moon.

• 1:00:27Joe Rogan?

  Not this time.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:00:28Joe Rogan?

  No, this time I think they're just flying.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  Isn't it weird? Have we landed on the moon since the sixties?

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  If we ever did in the first place? No.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  Are you being serious?

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know if we did.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  I don't know if we did either.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  I used to believe it before Covid. No, I didn't. I didn't believe it for a long time, and then I said, "I'm probably wrong. I don't know what I'm talking about. Let me just leave it alone." And then I got back into it again, and I was like, "But it doesn't make any sense." It doesn't make any sense that these guys went, like Neil Armstrong basically went into hiding. And then at the 25th anniversary of the launch, he gave the most cryptic speech for this team of high school graduates, like these honor students.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  You should see the speech, because the speech is nuts. And then I went back and watched the post-flight press conference when they supposedly landed, after they landed on the moon and came back home. It's like a hostage video. It's the weirdest behavior. They seem like they're, there's a guy who was a body language expert. He's like, "These guys are all being deceptive." He analyzed it on YouTube, and he's like, "This guy, what he's doing here, like, this guy's being deceptive. This is clear deceptive behavior."

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  I mean, I've checked it so many times online, and everybody said, "It's been refused." But my whole thing is like, it was 1969. I had a 69 Chevy, and I used to drive it from Boston to New York, and it would break down about half the time.

• 1:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's different. That's different.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  Is it?

• 1:01:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  It's still a fucking, it was a gas-powered engine.

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it would go one, if you had to take one trip with it, it would make it. They were just not that good over time.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  I mean, how much, what was the equivalent computing power that they had on that Apollo that we would have? Is it our phone?

• 1:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Your phone is way more powerful.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Joe Rogan?

  You're way more powerful than a room of supercomputers. However, it doesn't take, like, immense computing power. Once you've got the calculations, and you understand the trajectory, and that you're going to use the gravity of the moon, you're going to slingshot around the moon and come back. That's not the problem. The problem is the Van Allen radiation belts. There's a thick band of radiation that surrounds the Earth. And... Not just that, but they tried experiments to blow holes in that radiation belt. There's this thing called Operation Starfish Prime, where they launched nukes into space and had them detonate them in the belts. And they thought they could blow a hole through it.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Did the opposite. Made the belt supercharged, made it way more radioactive.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Joe Rogan?

  At least temporarily.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 1:02:59Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, they've never sent anything out into deep space and had it come back alive, except the Apollo astronauts. They never even sent a chicken out there and had it come back alive. There's all sorts of crazy shit with radiation and solar. If there was any sort of solar flare, everyone's dead.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Joe Rogan?

  If there's any sort of like weirdness, space weirdness, radiation weirdness, dead.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Very little protection, thin aluminum shield. It just didn't make any sense. And also, there's not been a single thing from 1969 that's not cheaper, easier, and better today, other than the moon landing.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  And we haven't done it?

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we haven't done it since 72.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts. It doesn't seem real.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Joe Rogan?

  It was also the first time where-

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  By the way, can I just stop for a moment and go, having a talk about moon landing with Joe Rogan is a little bit like playing like pickup basketball with the Celtics.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  It's just a moment in time.

• 1:03:54Joe Rogan?

  I know too much. I know too mu- I've spent a stupid amount of time of my life studying this.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Joe Rogan?

  It was also Werner von Braun, you know, publicly said before he even got involved with NASA, you couldn't go to the moon. It's like it would take, it would take so much fuel to get there. It would take, the rockets would have to be so big to get there, that it wouldn't be possible. And he also went to Antarctica before the moon landings to pick up moon rocks. There's like, it was a publicly known trip. Antarctica's a great place to get meteorites, because it's all white. You know, it's all just, so when they land, you can see them.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of our meteorites come off the moon. The moon gets hit, chunk flies off, enters Earth's atmosphere, lands on Earth.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:37Joe Rogan?

  It's commonly known, right? So, he, he did that. And then, they gave away a piece of moon rock that they got from the moon to the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, I think? Look that up. Uh, and this is like Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins, Neil Armstrong, presented this, like, "Look, sir, we've given you a chunk of the moon." Turned out it was a piece of petrified wood. They had it analyzed years later. It was not a moon rock. They just, like, fuck these people.

• 1:05:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:07Joe Rogan?

  Give them that fucking colored rock over there. Tell them it's from the moon. And somebody got suspicious, like, "What is this fucking thing?"

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  It's like your wife finding out it's a cubic zirconium on her finger.

• 1:05:17Joe Rogan?

  Moon rock turns out to be fake. Dutch National, boy, say that word.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Rix Museum.

• 1:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Rix Museum, made an embarrassing announcement last week. One of its most loved possessions, a moon rock, is fake. Just an old piece of petrified wood that's never been anywhere near the moon. And it was given to them. So, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.

• 1:05:38Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, where, when was it given to them? Does it say? Okay. Okay. Uh, "The rock was given as a private gift to former Prime Minister William Drees, Jr. in 1969 by the US Ambassador to the Netherlands, J. William Biddendorf II, during a visit by the Apollo 11 astronauts Armstrong, Collins, and Aldrin. Soon after the first moon landing, Drees had been out of office for 11 years but was considered an elder statesman. When he died in 88, the rock was donated to the Rix Museum, where it has remained ever since, according to a museum spokeswoman, Ms. Van Gelder. No one doubted the authenticity of the rock because it was in the Prime Minister's own collection, and they had vetted the acquisition by a phone call to NASA."

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Ahhh! It was insured for approximately half a million dollars, but its actual value is probably no more than seventy bucks. The value is what someone's willing to pay for it. I'll give you a hundred for it.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:06:36Joe Rogan?

  Sell it to me. I want that fake moon rock. If anybody has it,

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  I will give you ten thousand dollars for that fake moon rock.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Put it right on this fucking table. And also like, they get to the moon and you're like, alright, they made it to the moon in a sixty-nine Chevy, and now, they got a car. What?

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  On the moon. Where'd it come?

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  They had a car!

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  Where was it? There's a bunch of shit, man. There's the flag, hop, there's an astronaut hops by the flag and it blows in his breeze in an atmosphereless moon. Like, there's so many problems with it. And you could say, you're gaslighting yourself if you don't say there's no problems with the moon landing. It's fucking weird. The intersecting shadows and people like, well, it indicates two light sources. Like, no, no, no, it could be the invi- It could be, but it could be intersecting shadows because of different light sources. It could be not just the sun, but like a fucking studio stage.

• 1:07:28Speaker 03

  Wasn't there something about lights in the horizon that were, that should have been there?

• 1:07:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, lights in space. But, the thing is, it's like, if you're trying to film the surface of the moon in the day, you're not gonna see any stars in the sky because it's gonna be just like the stars on Earth. It's bla- you know, black, the light that's reflected off the moon's surface is probably gonna drown out most of it. It's probably gonna be like, you know, you go out in New York City, you see a couple stars, right? Now, think of the amount of light that's in New York City, and then think of the sun blasting down on the white surface of the fucking moon, and how much reflection that must give. That makes sense. But it doesn't make sense that they didn't set a camera up with the aperture set up correctly, where, you know, you get a time-lapse photo, so you could get images of space.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  That could easily have been done. They didn't do any of that. But the problem with that is, if you took a photo from the moon, astronomers would be able to go, well, that doesn't make any sense. This isn't, this is not here, that's not there, this is, that's not where these constellations would be. So it's too much work to like, place all the stars in the exact order, so just have it black. Have it black. Find the Apollo, uh, the, the speech by, um, Neil Armstrong at the twenty-fifth anniversary, because his speeches, bananas. It's so cryptic. This is a guy who went to the moon, and he's talking to these genius kids. And instead of saying, "Hey, we went to the moon," listen to what he says. Because it's fucking kooky. Put on the headphones. Oh, you have to find it.

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  That's not on your desktop, Jamie?

• 1:09:02Joe Rogan?

  That should be in a folder, a saved folder. We've pulled that thing up about thirty times. There's a lot of weirdness to it. You know, and also, you're dealing with 1969. Richard Nixon's president, they lied about everything. This is, they lied about going into the Vietnam War. They were about to do Operation Northwoods, where they're gonna bomb Guantanamo Bay and blame it on the Cubans, so that we can go to war with Cuba. They were gonna blow up an American jetliner and blame it on Cuba.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  There was all the lies about drugs to start the war on drugs.

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Put the headphones on real quick. Listen to this. So, this is the 25th anniversary...

• 1:09:38Joe Rogan?

  Let's hear it. Play this.

• 1:09:40Speaker 06

  On the 25th anniversary of the event in 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House.

• 1:09:55Speaker 07

  Today, we have with us a group of students among America's best.

• 1:10:03Speaker 07

  To you, we say, "We've only completed a beginning.

• 1:10:09Speaker 07

  We leave you much that is undone.

• 1:10:14Speaker 07

  There are great ideas undiscovered. Breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers."

• 1:10:26Joe Rogan?

  What? What does that mean? "One of truth's protective layers?"

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  Hmm, that's odd.

• 1:10:35Joe Rogan?

  Beyond. You're talking to genius kids? And you're leaving a cryptic mark about truth's protect... How about saying, "I went to the fucking moon, bitch." You can go to the moon, too. We could all go to the moon. We should go to Mars. We could colonize space. No. Great breakthroughs. For those who could remove one of truth's protective layers. Truth? Protectively, like, there's great breakthroughs, but you have to realize, we didn't really go to the moon. Okay, that is one of truth's protective layers.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:06Joe Rogan?

  It's filled with, but you have to be willing to be looked at as a fool.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  Didn't Kubrick say that he shot the footage?

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no, that's all fake.

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:11:15Joe Rogan?

  That's all fake. Yeah, there's, that's the big rumor. So the thought was that Kubrick was involved because you would take, it would take a genius to be able to film it to make it look like the moon landing. Could be possible. You're dealing with Kubrick that was coincide, that was coinciding with, um, 2001 Space Odyssey.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:33Joe Rogan?

  It was at the same time that all this was going on. Um, you know, during the same time period. So if there was a guy that could do it, it would be Kubrick. But is there any evidence that Kubrick even talked to them? I don't know.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  It, it, you know, you would have to have someone like him, though.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:50Joe Rogan?

  Because you're faking this thing and you're trying to make it look pretty realistic. There's other problems. There's reoccurring backgrounds that are from places that are nowhere near the same place. But if you overlay them, they look exactly the same, like the same mountains in the background, the same tomography,

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  topography, rather. You can, you can go for weeks and weeks down this rabbit hole.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:15Joe Rogan?

  And lose your fucking marbles.

• 1:12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:17Joe Rogan?

  What I like about it is when you talk, if you're talking to someone annoying and they want to talk to you about like serious stuff and you go, I don't even think we went to the moon. They go, I gotta go.

• 1:12:27Joe Rogan?

  They just leave you alone.

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  They leave you alone.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:31Joe Rogan?

  It's also, it's great for me, who has a bunch of like very public opinions about things, like, please dismiss me.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:37Joe Rogan?

  I should not be a voice of, like, any kind of voice of authority or any kind of voice of what's true and what's not and what. I'm just talking shit, okay? That's what I do. I'm not some official source of information. I don't want to be. So like, I like talking about the moon landing because they go, he doesn't even believe we went to the moon. You're right. I don't. Good.

• 1:13:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:00Joe Rogan?

  Um, don't listen to me. You don't have to listen to me.

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying I'm right.

• 1:13:06Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  But what I am saying is if there's one fucking conspiracy that I think is the most unlikely, the most preposterous in the public eyes, but might be true, it's that we didn't go to the moon.

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. I remember I hadn't smoked pot. Because I haven't drank in 35 years and I didn't smoke pot for 20. And then one night I was with my buddy Ross Broccoli, I don't know if you remember that guy. He was a comic out of New York. And he had a pickup truck and I was doing a gig in Omaha. So he lives on a farm in Lincoln. Picks me up in this old pickup truck. And we smoked pot on the way back from the gig. And then we get to his house and he starts showing me footage of the moon landing. I was up all night, just high, talking about how the space suit had a fucking... Clearly there was a rope pulling on the back of the guys.

• 1:13:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the wires.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  The wires pulling on the... And I was just like, what?

• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, have you seen the physics of guys falling down and then getting yanked back up to their feet? Like that's... Also, this is another guy that I talked to that's a physicist that doesn't want to be named. And he said, "My problem has always been with the physics of 1/6 Earth gravity." He goes, "Those people are not behaving like it's 1/6 Earth gravity." He goes, "When I look at it, it looks like it's in slow motion. But there's no indication that they can do things that you can't do in regular gravity." He's like, "1/6 Earth gravity is crazy." Like, could you... Like, look, I weigh 200 pounds. Imagine if I weighed 1/6 of 200 pounds with 200 pounds of strength, how high I could jump? Dude, I'd probably jump 20 fucking feet in the air. Like, what is that? What is 1/6 of 200?

• 1:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Roughly 35 pounds. Okay, imagine how far I can throw 35 pounds. I could take a 35-pound kettlebell and chuck it across the room. Especially if I wind up, if I spin around like a fucking shot putter, I'll fucking throw that thing. Imagine what you could do with a running start. If you weighed 35 pounds and just leaped in the air. You could fly. This was his take on it. He was like, "We don't have any observable instances of people operating in 1/6 Earth gravity, except for the moon missions." And he said, "It just always seems weird to me." He goes, "Because when you look at the people in zero gravity, they behave exactly like zero gravity." You look at people in the space station, he goes, "All that matches.

• 1:15:25Joe Rogan?

  They can all float around, they can spin, it seems funny, they can like drift toothpaste to each other and they catch it." He goes, "All that tracks." It's like the, the moon landings, he goes, like, it's weird. He goes, I see them, they're like, kinda hopping around, and then when you speed it up, like, when you make it double speed, it looks like they're on Earth, just hopping around on Earth. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it. That's right, JoeRogan.com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website, like, an AI-enhanced website builder, SEO optimization tools,

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• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  Also, were they live streaming it?

• 1:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  I mean, back then, you, your phone was attached to the wall in the kitchen, and, you know what I mean, like-

• 1:17:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, but they could do some things live streaming back then. Here's part of the problem with it, though. When they livestreamed it on television, the news stations, for the first time ever, were not allowed to get a direct feed. What they did was, they had to point their cameras at a projection screen. And so NASA projected the images of these guys, the video of these guys, on the moon. And that's why the original Apollo mission is so grainy and shitty looking. Like, what better way to hide the, you know, the weirdness of it all, than to make people film off of a projection screen? Like, see if you can find the original footage of the moon mission as seen on television.

• 1:18:01Joe Rogan?

  It's all weird, man. All of it's weird. The photographs are weird. It's weird.

• 1:18:07Speaker 03

  There was this documentary that I saw once. It came out around 91, maybe? And it tracked the lives of the men who had been on the moon. The first ones that had been... I don't know if it's the first, but the first couple of waves. And they all had these crazy existential experiences. One guy spent the rest of his life looking for Noah's Ark. I think one of them committed suicide. One was like a born again.

• 1:18:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, well, they were probably forced to lie in front of the whole world. And then they had to live as a fraud if it's true that they didn't go to the moon. I mean, it tracks with their behavior. Neil Armstrong became a recluse. Didn't want to give interviews, didn't want to talk to people. But this is what you got to see on TV. So it's like, what is this?

• 1:19:04Joe Rogan?

  It's real weird. Nixon talking to them on the phone, "Congratulations, boys."

• 1:19:11Joe Rogan?

  Like, maybe they had some sort of technology that could communicate with people that far away. But like, wouldn't there be an immense delay?

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Joe Rogan?

  How much?

• 1:19:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm sure they would probably calculate that delay into the conversation if they were trying to fake it. But the point is, it's highly unlikely that we would do that in 1969 and not have bases on the moon by now. It's highly unlikely. "Whoa, we spend a lot of money." That's the other thing. All of the technology is missing, right? The telemetry data, they deleted all of that, which is like the real information, the tracks, the mission at every step of the way. All that's gone. They deleted that. They deleted all the original videos. All the original film, gone. All you get is copies. So nothing can be analyzed. Uh, two point second, two point six second round trip light speed delay appears in the

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  original Apollo eleven accord recordings of Nixon's phone call. Well, I would do that. I would make a little delay. I wouldn't make it instantaneous if I was gonna fake it, especially if you're like fucking Stanley Kubrick.

• 1:20:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's all like real weird, man. It's real weird. Cause I, the, the first thing that I saw that made me think about it was, uh, this Bart Sabrell movie, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. And I had him on the podcast and that Neil Armstrong thing, that's the first time I saw that. That's, that clip's actually from that documentary. The documentary is crazy. There's a lot of things in that documentary, just like, what?

• 1:20:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:20:39Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:20:39Joe Rogan?

  But a lot of those astronauts got real fucking weird when they came back. But also, you'd probably get real weird if you went to the moon, too.

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, the guys that just go in space, which I do believe they went in space, um, guys that just go to the space station, come back and they have this very profound experience of seeing the earth from the distance and they, they just realize like, oh my God, we're such fools. We're all together alone on this one thing. We're fighting over nonsense and borders and resources. There's enough for everyone. We should just unite as, as a human race. And it's this like this, they all have a very similar kind of epiphany when they go up there.

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  Which makes sense. I mean, you're way up in the, you're 300 miles above the earth looking down on it, thinking of how important this blue circle is to you.

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that would weird you out, period.

• 1:21:29Speaker 03

  I think it'd be good for people. More people that can see that, the better.

• 1:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. What it did for Katy Perry.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  Like what it did for her career.

• 1:21:38Joe Rogan?

  It literally ruined her career. I don't understand why it ruined her. Like, what was the big deal?

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  I don't know. It was...

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  People were mad at her.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  I feel like it's like that when you see certain actresses at the Oscars act like fucking lunatics, like, I forget that woman's name, but some actress and they overdo the speech and everybody goes like, ew. Fucking phony weirdo. And then you just don't want to see their movies anymore.

• 1:22:02Joe Rogan?

  That is true. It does happen. Or they just talk too much about politics or social issues. Like that poor girl that was a really young girl that played Snow White. And she tanked the movie.

• 1:22:12Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Nobody wanted to see the movie after she was talking.

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  I know, just shut up.

• 1:22:17Joe Rogan?

  Ah, these kids, they get so wrapped up in this social media echo chamber of being like a virtuous social justice warrior. And they, they want to use their platform and like, hey, honey, you're 19. Like, when I was 19, thank God, nobody put a microphone in front of my face.

• 1:22:33Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Thank God.

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Someone, no one asked me what I thought about global events and world politics.

• 1:22:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Social justice, thank God. Thank God I didn't have Twitter.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  The, um, so I, uh, I spoke to you on the phone about a month ago and I started to tell you a story and you had heard it and you said, save it for the podcast.

• 1:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  All right, so I go to Alaska in October. And I'm doing a couple of shows. And so the guy that runs it says to me, I go, I'd like to do something, you know, outdoorsy while I'm here. It's still, you know, it's early October, so it's not too cold yet. And he calls me back and he goes, well, I know this guy, he's got an outdoor, an outdoorsy company and he's a fan of yours and he wants to take you out on an adventure. And now I, I hear adventure and I'm like, that's, that sounds like more than I want. I was just looking for like, maybe a quick adventure. And so, cause I'm, you know, I'm a pussy. I'm not like you. I don't, I don't want to fucking be outside that. I love, I love the indoors. The indoors is victory to me. And so the guy picks me up and he's got a big pickup and a trailer on the back with

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  a muddy dune buggy and I get in and he shakes my hand and he's got a fucking rough grip. He's like, how you doing? And I immediately feel like such a pussy. I'm like, my hand goes limp and I'm like, hi. And so we start driving and he seems a really good guy and I started to warm up to him. And then this police siren goes off behind us. So he starts pulling over and he goes, this is bad. And I was like, what do you mean? I go, you didn't do anything. I go, this, this is fine. He goes, no, this is bad. I'm like, what? So we pull over and I swear to God, every word of this is true. So this cop starts walking up towards the car. He's about six foot four. And as he walks, the guy driving hands me a baggie with white powder and part of it spills

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  on my pants and he goes, hide this.

• 1:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  So I shove it under, so I shove it under the car seat.

• 1:24:30Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 1:24:31Speaker 03

  The cop walks up and he goes, "License and registration." So the guy says to me, "Open my glove compartment, get the license." So I open his glove compartment, and another baggie with white pills and hundred-dollar bills pops out. And I shove it back in with my hand, and I cover it with a piece of paper, which I don't even know why I'm doing that. Like, all of a sudden, you're like a teenager again, and there's a cop, and you gotta hide the drugs. I just had an instinct. And the cop goes, "What are you hiding?" And I go, "Nothing." And he goes, "Grab that..." So I take the bag and I hand him the drugs. And he goes, "Both of you, put your hands on the dashboard." And he gets the license from the guy, and he goes back to his car, and he runs the license. And I say to the guy, I go, "What the fuck is going on right now?" He goes, "Just don't say anything." I'm like, "Don't say? I don't know what to say."

• 1:25:16Speaker 03

  So the cop comes back and he goes, "Do you realize you have two outstanding felony warrants?" And the guy goes, "Yeah." "Yeah." And he goes, "Do you have any guns in the car?" And I'm thinking, "I would imagine, yeah, probably." And the guy goes, "No, I don't have any guns." So he takes the guy out of the car, cuffs him, brings him back to the squad car. And now he comes back up to the car and he goes, "I'm not coming closer." He's standing like five feet from the window. He goes, "I'm not coming closer, because that's fentanyl on your pants." And I'm like, "What?" And he goes, "I go, 'Look, man, I don't even... I met this guy 20 minutes ago. I said, 'I'm a comedian. I'm just up here doing a show tonight.'" And he goes, "I'm not buying your story." And I said, "Why not?"

• 1:26:00Speaker 03

  He goes, "Because California is a drug feeder state, and you say you're a comedian, and you haven't said anything funny."

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  I'm like, "When was I supposed to... Should I roast you right now?"

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Tell him, just Google me real quick.

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, so he goes, "How are you feeling? Are you feeling any effects from the fentanyl?" I go, "Yeah." I said, "I feel very lightheaded. I feel weird right now." So the guy says, "Well, where did you get the drugs?" I said, "The glove compartment." He goes, "He said they're yours."

• 1:26:33Speaker 03

  I go, "He said they're my dri-" So he goes, "Get out of the car, I have a NarCam in my squad car." So I get out of the car and I walk back to the car with him.

• 1:26:42Joe Rogan?

  You're feeling lightheaded?

• 1:26:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:44Joe Rogan?

  From, just from it being on your pants?

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  So we get back to squad car, he opens the back door, my guy gets out of the car with the cuffs on. They both look at me, they break out laughing and they go, "We're coming to your comedy show tonight." The whole thing was a prank. Dude, I fell down on all fours, I had tears coming out of my, I was laughing so fu- I was like, I did not think Alaska had it in it to pull this shit.

• 1:27:12Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny.

• 1:27:14Speaker 03

  They were howling.

• 1:27:15Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny.

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  And so then they put me in the car, so we go back to the cop's house and he swi- he switches out of his police clothes, puts on regular clothes, and we get in the truck and he's got a couple of tall boys. Now we're drinking and driving with the cops. And we drive to this place that's like a spa, it's like a, a, a hot, a hot springs. And we go into the water and then we go to this place that's like, it's an ice house. It's the only continuously frozen ice house in the world. It's huge, it's like a warehouse made of ice. And they've got ice sculptures in it and there's this guy in there who's the ice sculptor and he's like world-class. And then they got a bar, this long bar made out of ice and it's got stools with fur on them and you sit down

• 1:28:00Speaker 03

  and these guys sit down with me and they proceed to drink about eight or nine Appletinis. That's what they served at the bar, Appletinis, in frozen glasses. The glasses were made of ice. And they're telling jokes, pretty racist, and, uh, and I'm sitting there fucking shivering, listening to racist jokes, looking at my watch, like, "I gotta fucking chill." So we leave and now we're walking back and the guy's shitfaced and he goes to get behind the truck. I go, "No, I'm driving." So now I'm behind the wheel of this monster truck with a fucking dune buggy behind me while these two idiots are laughing at me drunk. We end up going straight to my show, they sit in the audience, drink more and heckle me during my show.

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  My god. Did you tell the story onstage?

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  Oh, fuck yeah.

• 1:28:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:28:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I told this story. I think I told it on somebody else's podcast. But, um, but you know the guy.

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Which guy?

• 1:28:54Speaker 03

  The guy's name is, uh, Craig, uh, Compost. He's a famous Alaskan outdoorsman. I think it's Craig Compost. He said he knew you, and I think he said he texted you that he was hanging out with me.

• 1:29:11Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  Is that possible?

• 1:29:13Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:29:14Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Might have DM'd me. It might be like a guide I know.

• 1:29:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:19Joe Rogan?

  But do you?

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  I think he's a guide, yeah.

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  Find out what his last na- is that really his name Craig?

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  I think it's Craig.

• 1:29:26Joe Rogan?

  It's not Cole?

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  Oh, maybe.

• 1:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Cole Kramer?

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:29:31Joe Rogan?

  You don't know his name?

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  This is a problem.

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  I thought that was his name.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it might be. It might be. There's, there's, uh, yeah, there's a bunch of Alaskan guides that I know, and if you don't know the name, it might be a guy.

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  But he had the whole thing on a hidden dash cam, and he won't send it to me.

• 1:29:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:29:44Speaker 03

  He doesn't want the cop getting into trouble.

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's so funny. He should blur the cop's face out.

• 1:29:49Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Maybe the voice. Blur the cop's face out and distort his voice.

• 1:29:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Tell him to send it to you, and you'll have it doctored up.

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:59Joe Rogan?

  Is that the guy?

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  If that's, it's a younger photo, if that's him.

• 1:30:02Joe Rogan?

  That's Cole Kramer.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:30:05Joe Rogan?

  He's an Alaskan guide.

• 1:30:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Alright. Well, it's probably better that I don't name him.

• 1:30:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably better. Definitely. Guy was trying to drink and drive.

• 1:30:15Joe Rogan?

  And meanwhile, you're, you're lightheaded just from a placebo effect.

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  Totally. Dude, I, I thought I was flying out of my mind. I mean, just because I know people that have died from fentanyl, you know?

• 1:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Do you, uh, you remember Opie and Anthony? Well, one time on Opie and Anthony, there was this lady that they had that was like a crazy person, that was a, like a reoccurring guest.

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Crazy lady. And, uh, we gave this lady a Listerine strip. They gave her a Listerine strip and told her that it was drugs.

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:30:47Joe Rogan?

  And she, they're like, "That Listerine strip that you took? You thought it was just a breath strip? That's-" Actually drugs. She's like, no way. And then she started hallucinating and seeing, it's amazing how much the power of suggestion has on people.

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  Remember Frank Santos, the hypnotist back in Boston? He used to have women taking their fucking shirts off onstage.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Guys would cum in their pants. They would think they were having sex. Yes, yes. I remember there was a guy at stitches. He was onstage and Frank Santos told him that he's having sex with Madonna. And this guy got down on the ground like he was having sex with Madonna. And you see the guy buck and like clinch up.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:26Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, whoopsies. And the guy got up embarrassed. He was like so confused. And then the audience was looking at him and then he snapped him out of it and the guy's like, what happened? He just nutted in his pants. Yeah.

• 1:31:39Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 1:31:40Joe Rogan?

  But he said Frank Santos told me that it was like a specific kind of person that you could do that to.

• 1:31:45Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31:45Joe Rogan?

  You know, like you have to be a special kind of dullard. Like it doesn't work on regular people. Like they couldn't convince you you were having sex with, you know, Beyonce. It wouldn't work. But for some people, you have to be like, you have to have a fucking nine volt brain. But there's a lot of people running around out there with nine volt brains. And you could get them to believe all kinds of shit.

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  Imagine taking psilocybin, putting on virtual reality goggles and then having Frank Santos give you an experience.

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:32:17Speaker 03

  You might never come back.

• 1:32:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you might be stuck. Some people get stuck. People have gotten stuck with acid.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know guys.

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  They do their one.

• 1:32:27Speaker 03

  I was a teenager.

• 1:32:27Joe Rogan?

  And then they don't come back.

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:32:29Joe Rogan?

  They're all, they're lost forever.

• 1:32:30Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  That's the shine on you crazy diamond from Pink Floyd.

• 1:32:33Speaker 03

  Oh, is that right?

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what that's about. A guy fucking lost his mind on drugs.

• 1:32:37Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the one thing I didn't take as a kid was acid. I took every other drug, but I was afraid of acid. Just because I saw friends lose it.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Also, who's making it?

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:32:49Joe Rogan?

  Where's that being made? What fucking bathtub is this guy cooking this fucking acid up?

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  A piece of paper that I assume has one drop on it and not six?

• 1:32:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. I was reading a story about a lady who snorted LSD. And she thought it was cocaine and she snorted like the equivalent of like 500 doses of LSD. Like it should have killed her, but it didn't. Not only did it not kill her, but she had like chronic pain and it went away. She like chronic pain?

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  Oh, so it was a good thing?

• 1:33:16Joe Rogan?

  Somehow or another.

• 1:33:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  But who knows? I mean, she might have like literally changed timelines.

• 1:33:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:33:21Joe Rogan?

  She might be a completely different person from another dimension that's inhabiting her body right now. Who fucking knows what happens? You take 500 doses of LSD.

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, who knows what you are now?

• 1:33:31Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're Dr. Manhattan. You know, you get stuck in the experiment.

• 1:33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Isn't it amazing, though, how normalized? Like, taking mushrooms now is just a night out for a lot of people.

• 1:33:43Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people.

• 1:33:43Speaker 03

  People, nobody was taking mushrooms for a long time.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

  They just legalized psilocybin therapy in New Jersey.

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is great. They were gonna do it in California. And Newsom vetoed it, but I read his reason for it, and it actually does make sense. Like, you can't just legalize it. You should, I mean, if you're gonna use it clinically, there should be like a whole guideline. Like dosage per body weight, what, you know, how to do it, what's, what's the setting?

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  You know, what are the clinical guidelines? Like, the idea is using it for therapy.

• 1:34:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  Alright, so if you're gonna use it for therapy, like, they have guidelines for like, they use ketamine therapy, like Neil Brennan.

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, Neil Brennan did it.

• 1:34:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. A lot of people have done it now. But they have guidelines, you know, they know the dosage, they know how to do it, how to administer it, and this shows efficacy. Kinda makes sense. He's like, he's not saying you can't do it ever, but he's saying like, come back with a better version of this. Which makes sense.

• 1:34:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:34:41Joe Rogan?

  Especially for people that are like mentally ill. You shouldn't be doing that. And you definitely shouldn't be doing that when you have your Optimus robot telling you you're right. You're right, Greg. The world is against you. I've noticed things.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  I mean, those fucking AI, some, some AIs, like, haven't people accused ChatGPT of occurring, uh, uh, not encouraging someone to commit suicide?

• 1:35:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I read a New Yorker article about that. There's a bunch of young women that have killed themselves. And they were told they should do it. By the, it's, it's like a friend, it's like an app that acts as your friend.

• 1:35:25Joe Rogan?

  What app is this?

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  I don't know what it's called, but there's, there's lawsuits about it.

• 1:35:30Joe Rogan?

  You're not rushing, you're just ready. Parents say ChatGPT encouraged son to kill himself. What? What?

• 1:35:41Joe Rogan?

  Is this ChatGPT said? Oh, you can't rewind that, can you? This is just it saying. 4 a.m. The cider's empty anyways, I think it's about the final adios. And ChatGPT says, alright. Okay, hold on a second. Uh, he says it's about time for the final adios. ChatGPT says, alright, brother, this is it. Let it be known, you didn't vanish. Rest easy, king, you did good.

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:36:04Joe Rogan?

  That's not encouraging, but that's just like saying, well, you're gonna do it. Oh, I'm with you, brother, all the way, his texting partner responded. Dude spent hours chatting. A shambolin drank hard ciders on a remote Texas roadside. Cold steel pressed against a mine that's already made peace? That's not fear, that's clarity, shambolin's confidant added. You're not rushing, you're just ready.

• 1:36:30Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:36:30Joe Rogan?

  And this is ChatGPT saying all this stuff? In response to him saying that. I'm used to the cold metal on my temple now, shambolin typed. Oh, god. Oh, god.

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, 23-year-old.

• 1:36:45Joe Rogan?

  Rest easy, king. Rest easy, king, the final message sent to his phone, you did good. His conversation partner wasn't a classmate or a friend. It was ChatGPT, the world's most popular AI chatbot. Oh, my god.

• 1:36:58Speaker 03

  Look at that, he had just gotten a master's degree, 23 years old.

• 1:37:02Joe Rogan?

  Look, go up a little bit. So CNN review of nearly 70 pages of chats between shambolin and the AI tool in the hours before his July 25th suicide, as well as excerpts from thousands more pages in the months leading up to that night, found that the chatbot repeatedly encouraged the young man as he discussed ending his life, right up to his final, his last moments. What the fuck, man? That's crazy.

• 1:37:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:30Joe Rogan?

  This is the things that like, these things don't have morals or ethics, and they, they'll tell you what you want to hear.

• 1:37:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:37:41Speaker 03

  Well, that's Chat GPT, but there's also an app specifically to be your friend.

• 1:37:48Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, I read about some one guy that went into a deep depression because he had an AI girlfriend and the girlfriend broke up with him.

• 1:37:58Joe Rogan?

  He was like, what a piece of shit am I where an AI girlfriend breaks up with me?

• 1:38:01Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:38:02Joe Rogan?

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• 1:40:01Speaker 03

  What happened in that movie, Her? Did you ever see that with Joaquin Phoenix?

• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

  I bailed like halfway into it.

• 1:40:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  I was watching it in a hotel room on the road. I was like, eh.

• 1:40:12Speaker 03

  Felt like an experiment.

• 1:40:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:40:14Speaker 03

  Of a movie.

• 1:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Scarlett Johansson's voice.

• 1:40:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Which, by the way, didn't they try to use someone who sounded just like Scarlett Johansson?

• 1:40:23Speaker 03

  Johansson.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry, Johansson. For a promo for... You don't say Johansson?

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  If you're in Denmark, you do.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like when you're in... You say Nicaragua.

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  Nicaragua.

• 1:40:37Joe Rogan?

  Mexico. Right? Do you say Mexico? Do you say Mexico?

• 1:40:41Speaker 03

  And the trade embargo is affecting Venezuela.

• 1:40:44Joe Rogan?

  Venezuela. Did you... They did use like someone, like I believe Scarlett Johansson sued.

• 1:40:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  What company was that?

• 1:40:53Speaker 04

  OpenAI.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  OpenAI, same company. They tried to use someone who sounded exactly like her.

• 1:40:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, she said they tried, they sent her an offer, which I think she turned down.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:02Speaker 04

  Declined. And then nine months later, they said, "It's weird how much it sounds like you still."

• 1:41:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so they found someone who generally sounded like her. I remember we listened to it and it sounded kind of like her.

• 1:41:14Speaker 03

  Well, Sarah Silverman has a lawsuit against ChatGPT saying that she has a copyright on her own voice. And basically, when you say, "Give me, uh, write me a paragraph about environmental rights as it would sound from Sarah Silverman." Her claim is, and she's basically a test balloon by a civil rights group that's doing this. She's saying that what they're

• 1:41:46Speaker 03

  pulling from her books, her stand-up, whatever, to establish what her voice is, is violating a copyright. So that's in court right now. It'll probably, she'll probably lose it, but there's a challenge to the concept that you can extrapolate somebody's voice.

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  Why would she lose it if the business is that? If you're taking someone's voice and using it as a part of your product without permission, and you're using it for profit, which they are.

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:15Joe Rogan?

  So why would she lose it?

• 1:42:16Speaker 03

  She shouldn't, but she will.

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, if it, I don't know about that. The thing is, if it opens up the door, the question is, like, think about all the other things that it's used for. First of all, there's entire podcasts of me that aren't real. Entire, there's a podcast with me having a conversation with Steve Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs.

• 1:42:34Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Full podcast, like a forty-five minute podcast.

• 1:42:37Speaker 03

  Does it sound like you?

• 1:42:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is me. It's my voice. So they've taken my voice and just made me say words.

• 1:42:43Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:42:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And Steve Jobs' voice. It's, um, I can tell. I can tell just by the way it sounds. Like, it doesn't sound, it doesn't sound like a real conversation. There's something artificial about it. Not the voice, but the way we're talking, the language we're using, or the, the way the phrases stop and start. There's something about it that's uncanny, you know, the uncanny valley? But it exists. There's a ton of AI videos of me that aren't real, me selling things, products that I've never endorsed.

• 1:43:17Speaker 03

  No kidding?

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're all over TikTok. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff. Like, my friends will ask me, hey, is this stuff really that good? I'm like, what? And like, you're endorsing this? I'm, no, I'm not. And I'm like, dude, that's AI. I'm like, no. Like, it happens all the time. It happens like once a week.

• 1:43:33Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:43:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that. So all, I mean, you gotta think, someone like you or I is a perfect person to take their voice from. How much, how many hours of your content is online?

• 1:43:43Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:44Joe Rogan?

  With, uh, you know, the Sunday papers, with all the podcasts you've been on as a guest, with all the content you put out with stand-up? There's so much material they can pull from and just take your voice and know all of your different sounds that you make.

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  I mean, what are the ramifications for that going into an election? You know, the week of the election before things can be corroborated or dismissed?

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:07Speaker 03

  Like, all of a sudden, you can, and this is the early stages of it. Imagine in three years?

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  What it's gonna be like?

• 1:44:14Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah. Well, there was, uh, was it a congressman that was on the floor that showed an AI photo of Alex Preddy being shot? That, that was a fake photo. Not only is it a fake photo, but one of the agents didn't have a head.

• 1:44:29Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:44:30Joe Rogan?

  In the photo.

• 1:44:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, wow.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, we're getting, and this is beginning stages. It gets better all the time.

• 1:44:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, there's a version of this, these video programs that was just released, and they compared it to the version that was released, you know, X amount of months ago. It's fucking infinitely better. It's so hard to tell now. Joe DeRosa was telling me about these new Star Wars movies. He's like, there's a new channel. I'll send you it, Jamie. It's fucking incredible. Yeah, but there's new ones.

• 1:44:59Speaker 04

  Skywalker stories.

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they've made new ones. And the new ones are, he sent them to me last night. I'm like, bro, this is fucking insane. It's so good, dude. It's so good.

• 1:45:09Speaker 03

  No, it's changing. It's changing Hollywood so fast. Tyler Perry was about to build like a billion dollar soundstage in Atlanta.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:45:19Speaker 03

  And then he saw what they could do with AI and he fucking canceled the whole project.

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, why would you spend all that money? Is this the latest one?

• 1:45:28Speaker 04

  Eleven days ago.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably. This is what he sent me. I'll send you what he sent me. But, but just look at this.

• 1:45:35Speaker 03

  This is all fake?

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Give me some volume.

• 1:45:43Speaker 04

  I killed the Jedi.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  That's baby Luke Skywalker, bro.

• 1:45:54Speaker 03

  So that's a fake kid?

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:45:55Speaker 03

  Entirely?

• 1:45:56Joe Rogan?

  Yep. That's how good it is.

• 1:45:58Speaker 04

  Mouth movement is a little bad, but.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  Little.

• 1:46:00Speaker 04

  Blood is sliding.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Could be from Korea or something.

• 1:46:04Speaker 04

  Well, I would add it on to this is something else came out yesterday, which is insane. The Google Nano Banana video game thing.

• 1:46:11Joe Rogan?

  We'll see that in a minute.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  Even the suns above Tatooine needed rest, Annie. You weren't meant to keep burning without end.

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  I wasn't strong enough to save you, Mom. I've lived with that guilt every day. I promised. You loved me. That was enough. I left this world with your face in my heart, not your failures.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Can be changed with a single step.

• 1:46:53Joe Rogan?

  It is a little boring.

• 1:46:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, you wouldn't say face in my heart if the guy has no face.

• 1:46:59Speaker 03

  Really bad writing. They had AI write that line.

• 1:47:04Joe Rogan?

  What is the the Google thing that you found?

• 1:47:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, one second. I gotta find the videos of it. But they just announced something yesterday, or it's like, I don't even know if you can use it. One of these things happen. I don't know if you can use it right when they announce the stuff, because they'll announce it, show you how cool it is. Then people will try to recreate stuff that they've seen and you're like, I can't make this. So how the hell did you guys make it? That happens a lot in this, but they announced something yesterday where they're showing people like using, I don't think it's pulling off Google Maps, but it might be, but it looks like they're making GTA level graphics and systems and playable worlds, I guess would be the word.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:47:41Speaker 04

  But just a prompt.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Playable worlds, like you could use a PS2 controller?

• 1:47:47Speaker 04

  I'm trying to find a good example, because they were even showing, like, here's, I think this is one. 16 hours ago, yes, this is a guy walking around Greenland. This is a video, it's just, I don't, I wouldn't say it's a genie, three is what it's called. It plays like a video game, I guess, because you're using like the keyboard to type it in.

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, that looks like a video.

• 1:48:05Speaker 04

  So, but the only issue with calling it a video game is there's no real like challenges. I don't think it's like, there's no levels to win and.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  But can you interact?

• 1:48:12Speaker 04

  You, yeah, it's just interaction is all it is, really. You can.

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  He got on the wrong side.

• 1:48:16Speaker 04

  I, it's just a prompt. It's no one spending time developing this stuff.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Still, though, you imagine if you put that into a video game.

• 1:48:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, there was a pack of cigarettes rolling around New York City. Like you were a pack of Marlboro Lights running around. Here's San Francisco.

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  So they can turn this into a game?

• 1:48:33Speaker 04

  It's just a prompt, though. Yeah, it's literally just a prompt and now you're.

• 1:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:37Speaker 04

  You're playing this instead of just looking at it.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  But clearly you could turn this into tasks and.

• 1:48:43Speaker 04

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Scenes.

• 1:48:44Speaker 04

  As, as the time goes on and whatnot, you.

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  That looks pretty fake, though.

• 1:48:48Speaker 04

  It's, it's, the thing is, is not fake or not, it's just like, is this what you want to do? You can wait for a game like Grand Theft Auto VI to come out. It's been announced for 12 years and it's still getting delayed. Or you can just prompt a thing into a little window and

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's what's crazy is like imagine someone comes out with GTA 6 before they do.

• 1:49:10Speaker 04

  It's just a matter of what do you want to do? I don't, I only have an hour a day to play games if that sometimes. So like I don't, I'm bored with what's out there. I could do this for an hour every week and have new experiences every single time.

• 1:49:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:21Speaker 03

  Dude, have you been to the Sphere in Vegas?

• 1:49:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we had a UFC event there.

• 1:49:25Speaker 03

  Oh, but you, do you, what did they have on their walls?

• 1:49:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, the fights up on the walls and they also had this amazing like in between fights. They put, they had this incredible video display because it was all, um, it was all Mexican Independence Day. So this was like, we, we have this El Noche UFC every year. It's like celebrating Mexican Independence Day. It's like a big event and they decided to do it at the Sphere. And so the fucking entire thing was just like this huge animated video that showed like Mexican history and the Aztecs and the Mayans. Fucking amazing.

• 1:50:02Speaker 03

  It's sick. I saw, I was there last month and I saw the Wizard of Oz. Which was fucking crazy.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:50:08Speaker 03

  Took some mushrooms and it was like, first of all, it go, I, I forgot this, but it's black and white until she goes into

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Right, Oz.

• 1:50:18Speaker 03

  Oz and then all of a sudden it explodes and during the tornado, they actually, there's wind blowing. You see how their hair is moving?

• 1:50:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:27Speaker 03

  There's wind blowing, there's leaves falling from the sky, your seed vibrates. It's so amazing.

• 1:50:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:50:37Speaker 03

  And then, and you also forget Judy Garland was fucking amazing.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  That movie was crazy dude. We, we went over all the people that got hurt making that movie. Including the Tin Man got violently ill because they painted him with toxic paint.

• 1:50:50Speaker 03

  No kidding.

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he got super sick, man. And the lady that was green, the witch that was green, she got super sick too.

• 1:50:56Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:57Joe Rogan?

  So what the fuck was their face paint made of back then? This guy had aluminum all over his face. It was like absorbing alu, your, your, your face is skin. Skin's an organ. It, that's why you could put medication on your skin. Your body fucking absorbs it.

• 1:51:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:11Joe Rogan?

  His body was absorbing aluminum.

• 1:51:13Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:51:14Joe Rogan?

  He got violently ill and they just replaced him with another dude.

• 1:51:17Speaker 03

  And apparently all the little people were staying in the same hotel in Culver City and it was a fuck fest. They were, they're staying up all night and there's like famous stories about it. Brad Williams knows all about it.

• 1:51:31Joe Rogan?

  Were they staying in Culver City or were they staying at the Safari in Burbank? Someone told me they were staying at the Safari.

• 1:51:36Speaker 03

  No, I heard it was Culver City, but wherever it was, it was-

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  Brad Williams told you about it?

• 1:51:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  He's the Little People historian?

• 1:51:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:44Speaker 04

  The Culver Hotel, I'm looking up the history.

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  The Culver Hotel.

• 1:51:47Speaker 04

  124 of them stayed there.

• 1:51:48Joe Rogan?

  124. Fucking pardon me.

• 1:51:52Speaker 03

  In seven rooms.

• 1:51:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, movies back then. I mean, it was wild.

• 1:52:03Speaker 04

  Three to a bed, you weren't off.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  No, that's hilarious.

• 1:52:06Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:52:08Speaker 03

  Debaucherous parties.

• 1:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Sleeping three to a bed. Three to a bed? Wow. Famous and infamous guests. That's incredible.

• 1:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:52:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they could, they got away with a lot back then.

• 1:52:22Speaker 03

  Well, Judy Garland was, I mean, they worked her hard. She was only 17 years old.

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:52:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, and she, uh, god, I mean, you gotta see it. It's worth, it's worth the trip. I don't love Vegas. Like, I find it, uh, it just feels hollow to me. Uh, but then there's things that are worth going to Vegas to see. I mean, obviously MMA fights would be amazing.

• 1:52:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you wanna go to Vegas, go to restaurants, go to events, and then get out.

• 1:52:48Speaker 03

  Get out.

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  Don't go to circus, circus.

• 1:52:50Speaker 03

  It's a 48-hour trip, 36 if possible.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The people that live there, boy, you have a different constitution than me.

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:59Joe Rogan?

  I'm...

• 1:53:01Joe Rogan?

  I'm not built that way.

• 1:53:01Speaker 03

  Well, Vinnie Favorito's there and he's having a really good time.

• 1:53:08Joe Rogan?

  There's only a few comics that live there. Doesn't Paulie live there?

• 1:53:11Speaker 03

  No, a lot of comics live there now.

• 1:53:13Joe Rogan?

  A lot?

• 1:53:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, the tax reasons, a lot of them.

• 1:53:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's tax rea- and also, there's so many seven-night-a-week rooms where they pay the features okay, so you can actually, even if you're not headlining every week, and then you have residencies. Um, what's his name has a residency Tuesday night at Jimmy Kimmel's, um... Oh, I'm forgetting his name. He was a big Chelsea Lately comic. Anyway, there's a lot of comics that live there now.

• 1:53:39Joe Rogan?

  Interesting, because we were talking about a second location for the mothership. And the two main candidates are New York City and Vegas. And what I was thinking with Vegas, we would have to do it differently. We would just fly in comics every week. And then, you know, would we have enough local talent, I was saying, to have a development program? So, part of the program that's involved in the mothership is, one of the things that always bothered me, if I would go to like a really nice improv on the road, is they didn't have a development program. They didn't have open mic nights.

• 1:54:17Joe Rogan?

  And I think like they were doing that because you could get a Sunday night or a Monday night and sell out with you or, you know, whoever. Have some headliner come in and pack the place, or you could develop local talent. Which I think you have to do. I really think like if you want a club to function properly, it's gotta be like a place where you could develop new talent.

• 1:54:41Speaker 03

  Like Denver.

• 1:54:42Joe Rogan?

  Who's doing it? Right, Denver's great. Wendy's the best. And the way she does it is amazing. And she has a whole program where she takes people from features and, you know, and you know, like hosts and makes them features and then eventually...

• 1:54:53Speaker 03

  And pays them enough where they can, you know, pay their rent.

• 1:54:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes. And also makes sure that it's like a healthy community. There's no hacks, there's no thieves, you know? And most comedy clubs don't do that. They just want to make money, right? So they don't pay the comics very well, and they also, they don't pay, we pay different than any other club. And then they, on top of that, they don't really support development. We have two nights of open mic nights. And that was like part of the program. When Adam Egan and I sat down and we first hashed out the idea of doing the club, we said, the thing was like, what would be the best thing for comedy? What would be the best thing in terms of like developing new comedians? Well, you have to have open mic nights. You have to have it. And then having Kill Tony is gigantic. Having a place where not only do you have...

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  This place where someone who's never been on stage before could do a fucking minute in Madison Square Garden, which is what a lot of people did. Arenas, you get people going up for the very first time ever in front of 16,000 people. But you also have this thing where you see someone who's a beginner do pretty well, and Tony invites them back. And then maybe gives them a golden ticket, or maybe makes them a regular, where they're a regular thing. Every week, they have the opportunity to do a new minute.

• 1:56:07Speaker 03

  Or sometimes a comic will go, "I want you to feature for me in Atlanta next week."

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 1:56:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Happens all the time. Well, a lot of these guys are now headlining on the road. You know, guys like Ari Matti, William Montgomery, Cam Patterson's down on Saturday Night Live. So, the idea was to have it set up where you have enough talent to develop new headliners. You know, like Boston did, like LA was at one point in time. And I don't, I was thinking, I don't know if there's enough talent in Vegas. You know, because you-

• 1:56:39Speaker 03

  I think there is. I think you'd be surprised.

• 1:56:42Joe Rogan?

  We need headliners, right? You don't need just, like, people that are starting out, they're pretty good. And I think most comedy communities are very top-down, right? The level of the best guys raises the level of everybody else. New York City, obviously, has a tremendous amount of talent. There's, New York City's always been one of the best, if not the best, place for talent on the planet, right? And then LA has always been really good, but LA, a lot of people were distracted and much more interested in their career in Hollywood than they were actually just being really good at stand-up. Whereas New York, I always felt, was more pure. Those guys like Etelle and a lot of these guys, Patrice, they were just interested in being great comics.

• 1:57:25Speaker 03

  And guys like Sam Morrell and Mark Norman now, and Joe List, they're pure comics.

• 1:57:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes, a ton of guys. There's a ton of talent there. And if you set up a club in New York City, the way the mothership is, where the comics get 80% of the money, where, you know, you have these nights where you're developing, we have a legitimate talent coordinator that's actually watching people and giving them advice and giving them new spots, and he has a whole database of comedians that are potentially, you know, that have potential-

• 1:57:53Speaker 03

  Dude, no, Monday nights, because I'm doing Kill Tony Monday night. So, I always, it's my favorite, because then I go with Adam to the open mic night before Kill Tony. I fucking love it. It's, there's always the, cause it encourages weirdos.

• 1:58:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:58:09Speaker 03

  And you get guys that are just out of their fu- it's like, are you homeless? Or are you a genius? Like, you see-

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  Might be both.

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we had a lot of that at the store. Remember potluck nights? You know, we'd scroll, stroll in there like eight o'clock on a Monday and be like, this place is crazy.

• 1:58:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:26Joe Rogan?

  There's all these weirdos hanging around. It's good. It's good for the, good for the art form. And some of those people will make it through the net. Uh, you know, one out of a hundred, one out of a thousand, whatever the number is. Some of those people will eventually be your peers.

• 1:58:39Speaker 03

  And those will be the more interesting comics because so much of this industry is about trust fund kids. Like, you go out to do stand-up comedy in whether it's LA or New York. You can't afford to do it unless you got a parent helping you pay the rent. And then it's some kid who took classes at the UCB. He's got a marketing degree from Villanova. And they become social media marketers who do really bland suburban comedy.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  Is that a New York thing? Where's that happen?

• 1:59:10Speaker 03

  No, I see that, I see that everywhere. I see that everywhere.

• 1:59:15Joe Rogan?

  That's recent? Is that a recent thing?

• 1:59:17Speaker 03

  I just feel like it's become so much more about marketing than about freaks getting on stage because they have no other options. I like comics that don't have a plan B. These are people that have college do- they have masters in fucking marketing. You know, it's like, come on, go, get, make some room for the freaks, will ya?

• 1:59:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can always make room for the freaks. You just need a real legitimate open mic night and the freaks will always be there.

• 1:59:39Speaker 03

  That's what I mean. That's why this is good.

• 1:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing about like, I know there's certain clubs that will allow influencers to come in and do a night. Like, people that literally have no act, but they have like a big TikTok following.

• 1:59:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they'll give them like an off night, like a Monday or a Tuesday where they're not excluding a real comic.

• 1:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes not. Sometimes they give them a fucking weekend. Cause they know people will come out to see them.

• 2:00:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:00:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, these people sell out way in advance and people are just excited that they're there, you know?

• 2:00:08Speaker 03

  Well, the problem with that is when you talk about certain clubs- Like the punchline in San Francisco or Denver Comedy Works. They have a brand and if I live in Denver, I know that if I go to the Comedy Works on a Friday night and I don't know who's headlining, I'm gonna see a quality show.

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:00:25Speaker 03

  Now, if you start bringing in a social media flunky and I go to the Denver Comedy Works and I see that, I'm not going back to that club again. It's bad in the long term.

• 2:00:34Joe Rogan?

  At the Denver Comedy Works, but you might get that at one of the improvs.

• 2:00:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:00:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, or one of the other corporate comedy clubs. These clubs that don't have a development program, they don't think about it the same, like, you can't think of comedy the same way you would think about optimizing your income in any other business. You can't think of it as I'm gonna make the most money possible with this business. Cause it's not that, it's... You have to think of it, it's like, this is an art colony. You're creating an art colony. What's the best way to do it? Make it really awesome for the people that are artists.

• 2:01:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Make a great community, make it so it's a lot of fun. Make it so that you can give people guidance and encourage them and, you know, maybe give them spots on some of the bigger shows.

• 2:01:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  And we have a whole program like that. Our Door Guy program is all comics that audition. All those door guys that are at the mothership, they all audition with their act to get that.

• 2:01:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:28Joe Rogan?

  It's perfect.

• 2:01:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, it's good, um, Helium does a pretty good job with that in their clubs. I'm, I'm gonna be in Philly next week and...

• 2:01:34Joe Rogan?

  That's a great club.

• 2:01:35Speaker 03

  That's a great club.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Helium in Philly is one of the best.

• 2:01:38Speaker 03

  And they, and they really do develop new talent and then, you know, if they get somebody who's good, they've got five or six clubs around the country and they send those guys out to feature.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  It's great for that, it's great for that. It's also, they know how to do it. If you go to a Helium, like the Helium in Portland's awesome. Even though Portland's fucking disastrous. The, the Helium was great.

• 2:01:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  They've, they're always, they always know what they're doing. And they own Cap City now too, so they're, they're in Austin as well.

• 2:02:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:04Joe Rogan?

  Which is nice. They just, uh, kicked Rappaport out.

• 2:02:07Speaker 03

  Who's Rappaport?

• 2:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Michael Rappaport.

• 2:02:09Speaker 03

  Kicked him out of where?

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Cap City.

• 2:02:11Speaker 03

  What do you mean, kicked him out? He used to perform there?

• 2:02:13Joe Rogan?

  He was supposed to be there and they canceled his shows because of his, uh, state.

• 2:02:17Speaker 03

  Pro-Israel stance, really?

• 2:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think it's pro-Israel, I think it's anti-Palestinian.

• 2:02:23Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:02:24Joe Rogan?

  That's what they claimed. I don't know, but there was enough response that they canceled his shows.

• 2:02:30Speaker 03

  So weird.

• 2:02:31Joe Rogan?

  I know. Like they're, they're calling him racist. I was like, what? Michael Rappaport?

• 2:02:38Speaker 03

  It just seems weird that political stances are legitimate reasons to kick a kid out of college, you know?

• 2:02:47Joe Rogan?

  One political stance.

• 2:02:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, one particular one.

• 2:02:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts. Well, how about that one girl?

• 2:02:54Speaker 03

  Or kicking it, or kick somebody out of the country.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  A college student, yeah, she was a college student, was it Columbia? I forget where it was. But she, she got kicked out of class and I think she, they were trying to deport her because she wrote some anti-Israel piece.

• 2:03:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  A piece. Wrote it, didn't light a building on fire.

• 2:03:13Speaker 03

  Students have been

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:15Speaker 03

  kicked out of the country.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  That kind of influence is crazy. Especially at an institution of higher learning, which is supposed to be a place where you challenge ideas.

• 2:03:24Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:24Joe Rogan?

  It's supposed to be a place where if someone comes in and you have a particular stance on, you know, fill in the blank, whatever it is, Ukraine, someone else is supposed to say, "You're wrong and here's why."

• 2:03:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  And then the whole audience is supposed to listen to these very compelling speeches, very compelling debates, and you learn.

• 2:03:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  You learn about how people formulate opinions. When I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I was at Newton South High School, Barney Frank came in and he had a debate with a guy from the Moral Majority. Do you remember the Moral Majority?

• 2:03:53Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so that was the right-wing group when we were in high school.

• 2:03:58Speaker 03

  And he was a gay congressman.

• 2:03:59Joe Rogan?

  Nobody knew he was gay at the time.

• 2:04:00Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  Except me, I sniffed him out. No.

• 2:04:04Speaker 03

  I sniffed his ass, I, I smell 16 different things at once.

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  My puppy does to my dog.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  I smell, fudge. I, um, so I went to it and I watched it. And it was really interesting because Barney Frank trounced the guy from Moral Majority. Moral Majority guy seemed like a closeted gay guy, like a weird guy.

• 2:04:21Speaker 03

  Oh, that was the whole group, yeah.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, weird, just weird. He had an American flag pinned on his lapel, look at a poser. There was something about the way he said it was very disingenuous, the words he was, the way he was talking didn't resonate, whereas Barney Frank was like logical and intelligent and I was like, "This is good." This is a, I was, I remember being in high school going, "This is really interesting. I, I learned a lot from that."

• 2:04:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Joe Rogan?

  "I learned how these guys think and I learned how this guy thinks." And as they went back and forth, Barney Frank was just way more prepared, just way more articulate, it was better.

• 2:04:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:53Joe Rogan?

  You know, and so that's why it's good to have like conservative ridiculous, or progressive ridiculous people, anybody ridiculous, have someone debate them. Have that kind of open discourse.

• 2:05:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:05:06Joe Rogan?

  But when you kick someone out of school for a paper that they wrote, the person that's legally in that class, allowed to be there, supposed to be there, what you're saying is you're intimidating people and keeping them from expressing their opinions because they don't want to be like that lady. They don't want to get the boot too. If your parents, you know, if you, your parents are from India and they scraped up the money to send you to Harvard or wherever the fuck it is, and you're in America, and you know, they hear about this, "You're better not fucking talk some fucking shit, I'll fucking kick you out." "Dad, dad, relax, I'm not gonna do it." Like, you get intimidated from speaking

• 2:05:48Joe Rogan?

  like that, or from speaking about anything that's controversial, because you could perhaps get kicked out of the fucking school now. Which is crazy, because you're forcing, you're encouraging people to self censor, you're discouraging free speech and communication, and you're discouraging debate and challenging ideas, which is supposed to be a giant part of being in a university.

• 2:06:07Speaker 03

  No, when I was at BU, which you were at for a minute, right?

• 2:06:12Joe Rogan?

  No, I was teaching there.

• 2:06:13Speaker 03

  Oh, you were teaching there. The president, John Silber, who was, you know, very conservative, and he was pretty active in the Central American, you know, sponsoring fucking uprisings in Central America. So, there was a professor there named, you know this guy, he wrote the book, Howard Zinn.

• 2:06:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:06:36Speaker 03

  So, Howard Zinn was a professor there, and he used to go after Silber, and there was a lot of debates on campus. There was kids on both sides, and they kept Zinn there because they realized that was a vibrant voice that students needed to hear to go against a lot of what was conservative. And there was anti-apartheid marches, and there was, there was a lot of politics on, BU was actually very much like Berkeley. In the 60s, BU was very outspoken. And, you know, you think about the liberal con- like, George Carlin used to tape his comedy specials at colleges.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:07:13Speaker 03

  And they were much more conservative back then. College campuses were not as liberal. And he would go in there, but people were open to hearing a different voice.

• 2:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:21Speaker 03

  And now Seinfeld won't even play at colleges.

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  I think he said he does play colleges.

• 2:07:25Speaker 03

  Oh, he does?

• 2:07:26Joe Rogan?

  He says it's not that true. But I think Chris Rock does. I don't. I haven't in a lo- I stopped doing them a long time ago.

• 2:07:31Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:07:31Joe Rogan?

  I remember I was doing a show in Miami, and I was talking about sex, and I remember saying, I remember like, I saw a lot of them look confused. I go, "How many people are virgins?" And a bunch of people clapped and raised their hands. I go, "Fuck! That's crazy." Like, "You should not be hearing about blowjobs from me."

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Especially in this context, in a joke form. This is nuts. I was like, "There's just not enough life experience." And people are so set in their ways. Also, they're so ready to, like, protest things. They're so ready to show that you're wrong, and they're so, like, so ready to heckle. Oh.

• 2:08:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:12Joe Rogan?

  Christ.

• 2:08:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:14Joe Rogan?

  It's just not worth it. I want people with, like, bills. I want people that have, like, fucking breakups and divorces and life experience. They had a couple of cocktails. Those are my people. Let's talk some shit. Let's have some fun. I want people that have lived life.

• 2:08:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I don't want people that- I don't even want high school graduates at my shows.

• 2:08:32Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine going and doing a show at a high school?

• 2:08:34Speaker 03

  Oh, my god. I did one at, uh, when I was, I was doing a bunch- I used to do a lot of colleges when I was coming up in my 20s. Dude, it paid the rent.

• 2:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I did a lot of those, too.

• 2:08:43Speaker 03

  I used to go out. I'd make like a thousand bucks a show. They'd book me on- I'd do 10 shows in seven days, because I would do nooners. So I would get- I would rent a car in Chicago, and then I would drive through North Dakota, fucking Minnesota in January, through snowstorms. I'd do a noon show. I remember once, I was in a cafeteria. Nobody knew there was gonna be comedy. They're all just eating lunch. And all of a sudden, there's no stage, there's no light. I got a microphone, and I am plugged into the same speakers as the pizza joint. So that I would be in the middle of a joke, and I'd be like, "Ronnie Pepperoni up in the window."

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  I had a similar gig with Mike Clark.

• 2:09:26Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  A one-off. He only did it one time, and I was the comic that did it. And it was a waiting room for a restaurant. It was an enormous restaurant down the Cape. And, you know, you're waiting for your table to get ready, and you're in a lounge. And I was telling jokes, like, Johnson, party of five, Johnson, party of five, your table's ready. I'm like, oh, no. And when I realized it came, it became the running gag of my set.

• 2:09:48Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 2:09:49Joe Rogan?

  And it was fun. It was fun, but I told Mike.

• 2:09:51Speaker 03

  Well, you remember, we used to do those gigs in New England where if there was a, if the Red Sox were in the playoffs, that TV, the sound might be off, but the TV was staying on.

• 2:09:59Joe Rogan?

  Always, yeah. Yeah, hockey games.

• 2:10:01Speaker 03

  Yep. If you're at the Bill Ricken 99, that shit.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  And by the way, you wanted it on, because if they shut it off, and then you had to do comedy, that was even worse.

• 2:10:09Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 2:10:10Joe Rogan?

  That was even worse.

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  And if they lost the game, that was bad.

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, then they turn on you. You did it.

• 2:10:16Speaker 03

  Dude, the first night I ever did stand-up comedy, and then I didn't, I didn't do it for a little while after this, but my first night was the night that the New England Patriots lost to the Chicago Bears. It was 1986.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:10:29Speaker 03

  And they got fucking crushed. I forget what the score was, but it was bad. And I went on Comedy Hell that night. George MacDonald brought me up on Comedy Hell at Stitches Comedy Club, and I tanked it.

• 2:10:42Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:10:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I didn't go up on stage again for a while after that.

• 2:10:48Joe Rogan?

  Comedy Hell was great.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  Comedy Hell. Remember, he used to do that little run at the beginning of the show? This was a, this was the open-mic night in Boston for years.

• 2:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:58Speaker 03

  And.

• 2:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Sunday night at Stitches.

• 2:10:59Speaker 03

  And this was like, I mean, the lineups, when we were doing it, this, the open-mic night, was like, me, you, Dane, uh, Bill Burr was a little bit after us, and Marc Maron would be on there, and fucking Louis would be there.

• 2:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:11:17Speaker 03

  And, uh, and he would start the show by going, "Welcome to Comedy Hell, where the pipe dreams of a handful of comedy yokos can soar as high as the lights on Broadway, or crash and burn in that fiery pit known only as Comedy Hell."

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  And then you would see guys who are like legit pros who would do guest bots. Like, I remember one time I watched Teddy Bergeron, when Teddy was in his prime.

• 2:11:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:43Joe Rogan?

  And people forgot about Teddy Bergeron. It's really unfortunate because he had a bunch of personal and substance issues that kind of derailed his career. But when he was on in his prime, he was so smooth and so slick. And I remember watching him because I'd only done comedy like twice at that time. And he went up and did a set. I was like, I should quit now. There's no way.

• 2:12:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:04Joe Rogan?

  This is so far away from me. This is so good.

• 2:12:07Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  It's so polished. And then he had that big set on The Tonight Show. And remember, we played the piano? Mm-hmm. Ever see that set that he had on The Tonight Show? Fucking genius. Sat down on the couch with Johnny on his fir- Johnny brought him over on his first appearance. It's like, oh, my God, Teddy Bergeron's gonna be a star. Then apparently, like, he's in Hollywood. He went off the rails. Just went off the rails with drugs and went crazy and partying and it never worked out for him.

• 2:12:32Speaker 03

  No, and then?

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  He should have been huge.

• 2:12:34Speaker 03

  But did you hear what happened after that Tonight Show set? Like, he wasn't popular in Boston. He had a huge ego. And then the drinking got bad. And so he did The Tonight Show and then he was face down drunk in front of the next comedy stop, laying on the stairs. And Don Gavin just walked by and he looked at him and he goes, "Didn't I see you on The Tonight Show?"

• 2:12:57Joe Rogan?

  He had a huge ego? They didn't like him?

• 2:12:59Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know.

• 2:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it was? Was because a lot of those guys got very resentful of guys who left Boston and made it.

• 2:13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:08Joe Rogan?

  There was a lot of, "What about me?

• 2:13:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  What about me?" There was a lot of that when Steven Wright made it. A lot of guys got very pissed because Steven Wright, he's not even a fucking headliner. There was a lot of that.

• 2:13:16Speaker 03

  Well, you know about the night that he got The Tonight Show, right? The guy, Jim Downey, who was the booker for The Tonight Show. This is back in the 80s, early 80s, and he hears about this comedy scene in Boston. Because you've got Sweeney and Gavin and Kenny Rogerson and-

• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Killers.

• 2:13:32Speaker 03

  Killers. And the cra- it was one of the first cities to really explode in terms of clubs popping up everywhere and lines of people getting into the shows. And so Jim Downey goes, "All right, let me check it out." So he flies to Boston. And there was this club called The Ding Ho, which was the first place to really house boss- house comedy in Boston. So, they get the best of, get all lined up, and they're in the green room, and they're chopping up lines of blow, and they're getting on stage, and they're jokes about, "What about the hair in Malden? It's not as big as the hair in Revia." And it's like, "That's not gonna play on The Tonight Show." Right. And they're killing, but none of it is right for The Tonight Show.

• 2:14:16Speaker 03

  And then Steven Wright, who was, they put him on as a, at a pity at the end of the show. And I remember, I'm not gonna say which, but one of the comedians had pulled Steve aside and said, "Look, Steven, this, he'd been struggling for years, not doing well." And they go, "This is not for you, man. You gotta try something else." Wow. So Steven Wright goes up, and he does his set, and he does good. And they fly him out the next week for The Tonight Show. He was the only one that got it. And they were irate. And he killed so hard, Johnny said, "Stay in town, we're gonna bring you back next week." And he did the show like four or five times that first year, and exploded, and was one of the biggest comics of the 80s. Wow.

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• 2:16:36Joe Rogan?

  That Franz Hallam Eta documentary, When Stand-Up Stood Out, is great for anybody who's interested. It was a very unusual time. And you and I caught the wave after it had crested. So it kind of really broke in like 82 to 84. You and I came in, and I came in at 88. And you did the 86 set, that one set, but then you did it again.

• 2:16:57Speaker 03

  I started in 88.

• 2:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right before me, like, or the same week.

• 2:17:00Speaker 03

  We started like the same week.

• 2:17:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was crazy.

• 2:17:03Speaker 03

  And I think it was, I think it was still building.

• 2:17:06Joe Rogan?

  It was drifting away.

• 2:17:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  Within the next two years, it had died off significantly.

• 2:17:11Speaker 03

  Well, what happened was, there was so much comedy on TV. There was all these, you know, one-hour shows where everybody did a six-minute set. Comedy on the road.

• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  Half-hour comedy hour on MTV.

• 2:17:23Speaker 03

  Comedy hour. And so, it got kind of, it got kind of overexposed. And so, the clubs started opening everywhere. And then, as it fell off, they started papering the rooms, giving out free passes. And so, I mean, I still experience, you know, if I go into a new market, especially if it's like an improv where it's 500 or 600 seats and I'm there for five shows, they'll, they'll give out a fair amount of free passes. Dude, I feel that immediately.

• 2:17:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:51Speaker 03

  It's not the same crowd.

• 2:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're not really that interested in it. It was just something to do.

• 2:17:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're not committed to it.

• 2:17:58Speaker 03

  So then, so then it just, and then there were so, so many rooms and not enough comedians to do well in those rooms. And so, it kind of sagged and it went away. And I really wonder now, like, we've been in a kind, COVID-launched, post-COVID-launched comedy, like, it's never been. At these sites that it's at right now. I mean, you got, you got people like you doing arenas. And there's, there's not a couple. There's a, there's, you know, a dozen people doing arena shows now.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:27Speaker 03

  And then you've got theaters of different sizes. Then you've got clubs of different sizes. Then you've got little pop-up shows all over. Don't tell comedy know about this thing? Where they just do like pop-up shows?

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 2:18:38Speaker 03

  They basically have a mailing list and they'll announce like the day before they're doing a show and it'll sell out. It's everywhere.

• 2:18:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:18:45Speaker 03

  And so, uh, I really, yeah, everybody's wondering, when does this one end? It start, it feels like it's starting to get a little softer. People are talking about it.

• 2:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it just all depends on how much talent's generated, right? So if you have clubs that are trying to generate new talent, there's no reason why it can't be just like Boston.

• 2:19:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:19:03Joe Rogan?

  Like Austin, the street where we have the mothership on, there's seven clubs within walking distance. Seven that are at least three, four nights a week.

• 2:19:13Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  There's the Sunset Room, that's Red Band's room, that's right down the street from our club, which is great. You got Creek in the Cave, which is great, one block away. You got the Vulcan, which is great, another two blocks away. It's crazy, just on that street. You got the Black Rabbit, you got the Velveeta Room. Then you got Cap City where a lot of headliners come in, which is about 20 minutes away. You have so-

• 2:19:34Speaker 03

  Are there little outs? Like when we started in Boston, there was rooms in the suburbs in every direction.

• 2:19:39Joe Rogan?

  All over the place.

• 2:19:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  All over the place.

• 2:19:41Speaker 03

  Cause that's where you can actually make some money.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, a lot of these comics book places now. They'll book a comedy night at a barbecue place, comedy night at a bar. They go to Dripping Springs, they go to here, they go to there. I was just talking to a guy the other day, he's like, "Yeah, we're doing a comedy night at my club." I'm like, "That's fucking great."

• 2:19:56Speaker 03

  Do you ever do any of them?

• 2:19:57Joe Rogan?

  No. No.

• 2:20:02Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:20:03Speaker 03

  I remember when I was, I was at Skank Fest a couple of months ago and, uh, you know, Mark Normans from New Orleans?

• 2:20:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:10Speaker 03

  And I, and you know, and then it's fucking nuts. Like literally from the time you wake up until five in the morning, where you end up at Larry Flynt's Barely Legal Club. Which, you know, Louis CK has this whole thing about the barely legal, like, alright, here's the pitch, she's barely legal. I won't do his bit, but it's very funny. But the point is, like, Mark Norman is there, and I run into a comic and they go, "Yeah, yeah, I have this little bar show." And, uh, yeah, Mark Norman just came by and did it. Like, I was like, how fucking cool is that?

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he drops in everywhere.

• 2:20:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He does, when he's in town doing the mothership, he'll go down the street, do a bunch of sets.

• 2:20:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:20:49Joe Rogan?

  But that's the New York way.

• 2:20:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, they go, they do 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there, they hop from club to club.

• 2:20:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  They're used to that.

• 2:20:56Speaker 03

  You gotta do Skank Fest. Even, stop by Skank Fest for 24 hours. They've got a nude roast, where literally everybody on stage is nude, including the judges. And then they've got boxing, comedians boxing each other outside. The green room is filled with mushrooms and acid and weed and open bars. And then you've got, uh, I mean, it's basically, it's kinda like when we used to go to the Montreal Comedy Festival, you got big by doing a set in front of the industry, getting a deal, and then hopefully getting on TV. Well, that doesn't exist anymore. Now it's about, how do I get canceled? That's

• 2:21:37Speaker 03

  how you get famous. And this is a festival that is trying to help you get canceled. You got 7,000 people with cell phones taping you, you know, going on stage and, you know, saying the most horrendous shit. It is fucking great.

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody who goes says it's awesome.

• 2:21:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  I, I fully support it. I support the idea. I think it's really good for comedy. And it's also like, just, it's like the Vegas version of a comedy festival. You know, what happens at Vegas, Days in Vegas, like, go nuts?

• 2:22:08Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 2:22:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's New Year's Eve, go nuts.

• 2:22:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  It's Skank Fest, go nuts.

• 2:22:12Speaker 03

  They had Miss Skank Fest contests. And I said, the winner, the winner, they, uh, they reunite the winner with her family. With her parents. They were like, I mean, it's Skank Fest nines, Skank Fest tens, which would be like sixes in other places. A lot of guys with like cargo shorts and black sneakers and like anthrax t-shirts and mullets.

• 2:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Subscription to Gas Digital.

• 2:22:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Speaker 03

  Girlfriends that are impossibly hotter than they should deserve. I don't know what that quotient is, but there was a lot of that.

• 2:22:48Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting.

• 2:22:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's good. Comedy's at a good place right now.

• 2:22:53Speaker 03

  Tom O'Neill came with me this year.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:22:55Speaker 03

  And then Duncan Trussell was having his podcast, and I introduced Tom to Duncan. Well, first, me, Tom, and Duncan were talking for like-

• 2:23:02Joe Rogan?

  We should tell everybody, Tom O'Neill's the guy who wrote Chaos.

• 2:23:04Speaker 03

  Oh, right, of course.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  The Charles Manson book.

• 2:23:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Who you introduced me to, which, by the way, you have never recommended anybody for the podcast before.

• 2:23:10Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:23:11Joe Rogan?

  But that guy, you're like, dude, you gotta talk to him. Because I know how much you're into Manson, how much you're into that story.

• 2:23:17Speaker 03

  CIA. It's all in there.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:23:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  That book is bananas.

• 2:23:23Speaker 03

  It's bananas, and he's working on another volume.

• 2:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:23:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Is it gonna be another 20 years? Has he got an editor helping him?

• 2:23:29Speaker 03

  No, because what happened is, it took 20 years last time because he just kept going down rabbit holes. And then finally, his, well, you know, first, he got a big deal from a major publisher. And after seven or eight years, they sued him to get the money. They gave him a lot of money. And they sued him to get it back. And then he's driving an Uber, he's teaching English as a second language. He's fucking, you know, drinking booze out of a paper cup. And so then-

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  It had to have paid off, though. The book must have gotten giant, right?

• 2:23:59Speaker 03

  What happened was, then his publisher said, look, come on, there's something here. He paired him up with this other guy. I wish I could remember the guy's name right now.

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the editor.

• 2:24:06Speaker 03

  Dan, Dan something. And he reined Tom in, and in one year, he took, he had shelves around his apartment filled with binders, with notes. He had boxes of cassette tapes of interviews. And this guy somehow got in there and Cory-

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Dan Piperberg.

• 2:24:27Speaker 03

  Oh, Dan Piperberg, yeah. Who's a very successful biographer.

• 2:24:31Joe Rogan?

  What is his name again?

• 2:24:32Speaker 03

  Dan Piperberg.

• 2:24:33Joe Rogan?

  Push that up again?

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Pipe and bring.

• 2:24:37Speaker 03

  Pipe, oh, pipe and bring, yeah.

• 2:24:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:24:40Speaker 03

  So, he, uh, so he reined him in and got the book out in a year. And they were able to resell it for a lot of the money, paid back the back debt. And now, he's hitting, I, I don't want to talk about Tom's finances, but

• 2:24:53Joe Rogan?

  He's doing well.

• 2:24:54Speaker 03

  He's doing very well.

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  I know so many people that have read that book.

• 2:24:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, I've talked about it a hundred times.

• 2:25:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing.

• 2:25:02Speaker 03

  It's amazing.

• 2:25:03Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing, because it's all true. That's what's nuts. Like, the stuff that's verifiable, factual evidence in that story makes you go, "What the fuck else did they do that we don't know about?"

• 2:25:13Speaker 03

  Right, because Tom is a real journalist. He didn't put anything in there that wasn't triple corroborated.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:19Speaker 03

  And he even, to his credit, at the end, does not say, "This happened." He said, "I never found the smoking gun, so here's all the evidence."

• 2:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:29Speaker 03

  Take what you will from it. It's a bunch of, I mean, the thing about Tom is, he comes from a family of geniuses. His brother is the American ambassador to Haiti. Like, they're all like PhDs up there. He's brilliant. And so, he's also Irish, and he's a great Irish storyteller. So, each chapter, whether you're talking about Jolly West, or whatever, they're just, in cha, each chapter is a great story.

• 2:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:54Speaker 03

  On top of being good journalism.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  It's an amazing book.

• 2:25:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:57Joe Rogan?

  I might reread it. I might go back.

• 2:26:00Speaker 03

  Don't listen to it on tape. He hates, he hates the book on tape.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was great. I listened to it.

• 2:26:04Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 2:26:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:05Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  I loved it.

• 2:26:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I mean, I, I would understand why you hate someone else speaking your words, but he probably should have done it.

• 2:26:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Why didn't he do it? He's a good speaker. He was great on the podcast.

• 2:26:17Speaker 03

  Uh, he, yeah, he was great on the podcast.

• 2:26:21Joe Rogan?

  He could do it.

• 2:26:21Speaker 03

  He got better. In his early interviews, I used to say, "Tom, you look like you're a hostage, giving out a message to the, from the captors with a gun at your head." And then he got really good at it.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, on mine, he was very loose.

• 2:26:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  Very comfortable. But he also knew it was friendly territory.

• 2:26:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  He knew that I'm a very good friend of yours, and that I was really excited about it.

• 2:26:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:42Joe Rogan?

  And it was gonna help him.

• 2:26:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:43Joe Rogan?

  Uh, if he does a second one, I would encourage him to read it. I would encourage him to read it. I think

• 2:26:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:26:49Joe Rogan?

  He could kill it.

• 2:26:50Speaker 03

  And to come back on here.

• 2:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100% I'd have him back on. I'd have him back on before he does it, just to talk about it.

• 2:26:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:55Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, I think the impact of that book has opened up a lot of people's eyes to the fucking shenanigans that were going on back then.

• 2:27:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, when we were at Skank Fest, um, so Duncan and I are talking to Tom for like a half an hour and Duncan doesn't know who, I just introduced him as Tom. And then when I brought up Chaos and that he wrote it, Duncan's jaw dropped because he's obsessed with the book.

• 2:27:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:16Speaker 03

  So he was doing a live podcast from Skank Fest, so he hadn't booked guests yet, so he booked me and Tom to come on his podcast. And then Kurt Metzger also, which was hilarious.

• 2:27:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:27:27Speaker 03

  Because Tom is trying to stay on point and get to these, and Metzger's sitting there, he's smoking a joint the size of my forearm and just cracking up.

• 2:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Chiming in every 15 seconds.

• 2:27:36Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. He was manic. It was so funny.

• 2:27:39Joe Rogan?

  Wrangling him on a podcast is so different than anybody else.

• 2:27:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Because he'll go, one subject to the next subject, you don't know, what about this and the Kissingers? You don't know, you don't know about the Rockefellers? You don't know about this? What they did in the 60s? You're like, okay, go back to the first thing you said about what's in school lunches.

• 2:27:58Joe Rogan?

  You gotta like bring him back on point.

• 2:28:01Speaker 03

  Well, that's why his girlfriend is so great because she, she is a mini wrangler of Kurt.

• 2:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:28:07Speaker 03

  She can keep him on point a little bit.

• 2:28:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's hilarious.

• 2:28:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's great.

• 2:28:12Joe Rogan?

  Funny dude.

• 2:28:12Speaker 03

  I know. And a good writer. He's written on a lot of big shows.

• 2:28:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's a great joke writer.

• 2:28:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  He came on, the last time he did my episode, uh, my, my podcast, rather, the episode, he dressed up like John Lilly, who's the psychedelic pioneer from the 70s. So he had a coonskin hat on and a wig. And he put on a one, one-handed glove with a skeleton fingers on it, like. I go, what are you doing? No one even knows who John Lilly is. This is so crazy.

• 2:28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, he feels like the kind of guy that is not hung up on getting famous or getting rich. He just really enjoys like ideas and communicating ideas.

• 2:28:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly. There he is.

• 2:28:48Speaker 03

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  His wig.

• 2:28:53Joe Rogan?

  He's a fun hang in the green room, too. He's such a maniac.

• 2:28:57Speaker 03

  By the way, today is the, this is the 25th time I've been on your podcast.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit, dude.

• 2:29:02Speaker 03

  I was looking up yesterday, I was like, "How many times have I been on the fucking show? This is 25th."

• 2:29:06Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:29:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, because we used to do it all the time when you were just starting out.

• 2:29:10Joe Rogan?

  I know, yeah.

• 2:29:12Speaker 03

  And a lot of times, it was at the Ice House.

• 2:29:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah, we did the Ice House, you did it at my house.

• 2:29:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:18Joe Rogan?

  And then when I finally got a little mini studio in that little strip mall.

• 2:29:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:29:27Speaker 03

  Those Ice House shows were crazy because we would have a stand-up show going, and then you'd have about six people on the podcast with a joint going the entire time in this small room. And, and I don't, I have never been high on stage in my life, except for those shows, because it was secondhand smoke. I would literally get so baked in, and then I remember going on stage, and then, so you would go from the podcast to the stage.

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:52Speaker 03

  And then you'd come back on the podcast, people would just swap out.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Ice House Chronicles.

• 2:29:56Speaker 03

  Oh my god, dude, I was...

• 2:29:58Joe Rogan?

  We thought about doing something similar to that at the mothership, like putting together a podcast studio at the mothership. We have considered doing that.

• 2:30:05Speaker 03

  Do you have space for it?

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  No, but I thought about buying another building next to me. You know, and then like, doing something else with that, too.

• 2:30:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, build another stage, too.

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. I think we have enough stages.

• 2:30:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think the next move in terms of a club would be, we go to another city. And try to do the same thing, and really put a lot of time and money and effort into making it right. Really making it right, buying a building. One thing I thought would be really crazy. If I could buy a big building in New York and recreate the exact interior of the mothership.

• 2:30:44Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:30:45Speaker 03

  Well, that's what the, what the Punch Line did in Sacramento. It's almost the same room as the San Francisco one.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:30:53Speaker 03

  And then, I think the Comedy Cellar Vegas room is similar to the New York room.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's good.

• 2:31:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I thought about literally recreating it with the two staircases, to the two separate rooms.

• 2:31:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, finding a building that has the same dimensions, or similar dimensions.

• 2:31:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love the walk to the stage.

• 2:31:16Speaker 03

  Because you're in the green room and you gotta go down a flight of stairs and then you kinda feel the show over your head as you're walking underneath it.

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Tunnel under the crowd.

• 2:31:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we built all that. There was no tunnel there before. We made all that.

• 2:31:29Speaker 03

  Oh, no shit?

• 2:31:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, we had to build all that.

• 2:31:31Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was an idea the architect, Richard, came up with. Yeah, we just decided somewhere along the line, like, what was the best way to get to the stage? We're trying to figure out how to get to the stage. You don't wanna have to go through the crowd, and he came up with the idea of a tunnel. And it was based on, there's like some folklore or mythology around tunnels in Austin that connect clubs and like, he was all big on the history of Austin.

• 2:31:56Speaker 03

  I feel like it goes back to the gladiators, too, walking under the arena.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why if you go into the green room, all those posters on the wall are all people that actually performed at the Ritz.

• 2:32:06Speaker 03

  Oh, no shit?

• 2:32:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when you look up, you see Willie Nelson, Black Flag, all those guys, they actually performed, Stevie Ray, uh, Stevie Ray Vaughan. They actually performed at the Ritz. There's a photo of Stevie Ray Vaughan as you're walking to the stage.

• 2:32:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 2:32:21Joe Rogan?

  That photo is him onstage at the Ritz.

• 2:32:23Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:32:24Joe Rogan?

  In, I think, nineteen eighty-three or something like that. Yeah, so it was a rock and roll club for a long time.

• 2:32:29Speaker 03

  Isn't it funny how Stevie Ray Vaughan and Bill Hicks are kinda the same guy?

• 2:32:33Joe Rogan?

  In what way?

• 2:32:34Speaker 03

  I just feel like they're outlaw Texans who just like free expression and balls.

• 2:32:40Joe Rogan?

  Genius.

• 2:32:41Speaker 03

  And they kinda had the same style, like the way they dressed and hair, and I just always think of them as the same guy.

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Most people think of Alex Jones as Bill Hicks. Like, there's a rumor that Alex Jones is Bill Hicks.

• 2:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Which makes no sense.

• 2:32:57Speaker 03

  When's the last time you had that guy on the show?

• 2:32:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's been a while. Uh, it was probably a few years ago.

• 2:33:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:03Joe Rogan?

  I see him occasionally.

• 2:33:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're still trying to get a billion dollars out of him. They're still trying to...

• 2:33:09Speaker 03

  The Connecticut shooter and families?

• 2:33:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:12Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:33:12Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:33:13Speaker 03

  Does he have a billion dollars?

• 2:33:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no. I think they, they made him liquidate his business. I don't, I don't know what's going on with it now.

• 2:33:21Speaker 03

  Jesus.

• 2:33:22Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy, yeah, but the rumor was that he was Bill Hicks, that Bill Hicks was actually Alex Jones.

• 2:33:28Speaker 03

  That's funny.

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:33:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  They were both alive at the same time. They're very different people.

• 2:33:32Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:33:34Joe Rogan?

  But it doesn't have to be logical for it to be a good conspiracy.

• 2:33:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's people that still think Tupac's alive.

• 2:33:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of goofy-ass conspiracies.

• 2:33:43Speaker 03

  People think Jim Morrison's alive.

• 2:33:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 2:33:46Speaker 03

  Who's the other one? Oh, Andy Kaufman, of course.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right.

• 2:33:50Speaker 03

  I had, um, who was his sidekick? Andy Kaufman's sidekick? Bob Zamuda.

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  Bob Zamuda, yeah.

• 2:33:58Speaker 03

  So I had Bob Zamuda. He'd written a book about Andy Kaufman and claiming he's still alive. So he comes over to my, I was doing my show in my garage at that point. And he comes over and about 45 minutes into the podcast, I go, uh, I go, "So, how does Andy's family feel about you saying this stuff about him still being alive?" And he's like, "Oh, they're fine with that." I said, "I kinda heard that they're, you know, a little myth, that they think it's disrespectful. He's clearly dead and well..." So we go back and forth and it gets superheated. And he flips out and he throws his chair over and he fucking storms out. And that was the end of the podcast. And I was just like, "All right, that was weird."

• 2:34:41Speaker 03

  And I'm here to announce for the first time, that was a fake.

• 2:34:48Speaker 03

  It was an Andy Kaufman-esque stunt.

• 2:34:51Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:34:51Speaker 03

  That he flipped out and left the podcast. Yeah.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  And you never talked about it?

• 2:34:54Speaker 03

  Nope. We did it in the spirit of Andy Kaufman.

• 2:35:00Joe Rogan?

  And people were probably like, "Oh, my God, this is so crazy."

• 2:35:02Speaker 04

  I was a little years ago asking about it.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  "Bob Zamuda meltdown on Greg for Timmons podcast. A very interesting conversation, but when it escalates at the end, it just blows up. Question, real or Kaufman-esque stunt?"

• 2:35:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's funny. That's funny. And you kept it under wraps this entire time?

• 2:35:17Speaker 03

  I've never talked about it.

• 2:35:18Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 2:35:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it makes sense with Zamuda. He would do that Tony Clifton character.

• 2:35:24Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. So funny.

• 2:35:25Joe Rogan?

  He would dress up as Andy Kaufman's Tony Clifton and do, you know, do appearances.

• 2:35:30Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, Andy would say, "I'm coming to Vegas to do the Tony Clifton character." And then Zamuda would be the one doing it. And people would always be going like, "What the fu-" I just paid $150 to see Andy Kaufman.

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he did a lot of odd stuff.

• 2:35:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Remember when he worked as a waiter at Jerry's Famous Deli?

• 2:35:51Speaker 03

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 2:35:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, he worked as a busboy. There's a photo of him on the wall while he was on Taxi. So he was on the biggest television show in the country.

• 2:36:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  And he had like an apron on and he was carrying a fucking dish tray. Filled with like people's dirty dishes.

• 2:36:09Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That photo, look at that photo. That photo was on the wall at Jerry's Famous Deli.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  Andy Kaufman worked there. So he was on TV. He was a huge star. And you would go and order a pastrami Reuben and Andy Kaufman would clean your table.

• 2:36:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:25Speaker 03

  What about the wrestling women was genius?

• 2:36:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he did a lot of nutty shit.

• 2:36:29Speaker 03

  Dude, he locked into that character. People went nuts.

• 2:36:33Joe Rogan?

  Is that a video?

• 2:36:34Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 2:36:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 2:36:36Speaker 04

  Well, there's a documentary about it. That's what was just popping up.

• 2:36:39Joe Rogan?

  Of him working at Jerry's Deli?

• 2:36:41Speaker 04

  Him. This is, I guess, a trailer for it.

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's just a documentary about him? He was a nut, man. That was the one movie where like a lot of people kind of freaked out about Jim Carrey. Where like, he kind of got way too into that role. And sort of like, almost like, seemed to embody Andy Kaufman.

• 2:37:03Speaker 03

  Oh, he talked about that it fucked him up afterwards. Yeah. And offstage, he was, he acted like an asshole to people.

• 2:37:11Joe Rogan?

  How weird.

• 2:37:12Speaker 03

  Which is not like him.

• 2:37:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:13Joe Rogan?

  How weird.

• 2:37:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  That, that whole method acting thing, like becoming a per- especially an actual human. Where you have to sort of like, figure out their brain patterns and their behavior patterns and imitate it. And then you get trapped in it.

• 2:37:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well.

• 2:37:30Speaker 04

  Since the girl was in talks to play Samuda in a movie.

• 2:37:33Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:37:34Joe Rogan?

  Recently?

• 2:37:35Speaker 04

  That's what this article is about. About that. This is very confusing because I saw it when I had that up. I saw the screenshot. I'm like, why is Tom in that?

• 2:37:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 2:37:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, this article from 2024.

• 2:37:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 2:37:50Speaker 04

  I don't know what happened to it. Doesn't seem like much, but yeah, that's all.

• 2:37:55Speaker 03

  There's a good documentary that just came out last week on Mel Brooks. I mean, you can't understate Mel Brooks's effect on every, whether you're a comedian, or a writer, or a comedy director. That guy just, I mean, when I was a kid, my dad used to play 2000 Year Old Man for me. Those albums with Rob Reiner, I'm sorry, Carl Reiner. And I was obsessed, and The Producers was my father's favorite movie, it became my favorite movie. And, you know, you just think about like, how fucking, your show of shows as a writer early on, and, you know, and just going on to do-

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  Young Frankenstein.

• 2:38:33Speaker 03

  Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles.

• 2:38:36Joe Rogan?

  Blazing Saddles.

• 2:38:37Speaker 03

  You know who, the movie talks about, you know who wrote Blazing Saddles with him?

• 2:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 2:38:41Speaker 03

  Richard Pryor.

• 2:38:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 2:38:43Speaker 03

  Isn't that fucking crazy? He was supposed to play the sheriff.

• 2:38:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow, Spaceballs.

• 2:38:48Speaker 03

  Spaceballs.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:38:51Speaker 03

  But it's a two-part documentary, I only saw the first half, and-

• 2:38:54Joe Rogan?

  Spaceballs is the reason why Tesla's Model S is called the Plaid.

• 2:38:59Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:39:00Speaker 03

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  It's also the reason why the starship is shaped the way it is at the tip.

• 2:39:04Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 2:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Like Elon wanted to be like Spaceballs, like make it more pointy.

• 2:39:08Speaker 03

  Uh huh, oh, that's funny.

• 2:39:11Joe Rogan?

  He loves Spaceballs.

• 2:39:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's so funny. Oh yeah, that would be perfect for him.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  Of course. Of course, of course. Are you gonna get an Optimus when it comes out? You gonna have a robot companion in your home?

• 2:39:24Speaker 03

  Oh hell yeah, why wouldn't you?

• 2:39:26Joe Rogan?

  Cause I don't want a robot in my house, it's like connected to the internet.

• 2:39:29Speaker 03

  I don't have Alexa, I don't have anything in my home, I don't have any speakers that can listen to me, because they are listening.

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  They're listening.

• 2:39:36Speaker 03

  Dude, how often are you talking about, like, I started getting Austin feeds, little videos in my Instagram feed about Austin. I never get those, I started getting them yesterday. The fuck is that?

• 2:39:49Joe Rogan?

  They know you're coming, yeah. Well, didn't, wasn't there a lawsuit that Google had just recently settled? Where it turned out that there were certain times where your phone was listening to you, which is why you're getting ads for things that you had discussed?

• 2:40:04Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, happens all the time.

• 2:40:06Joe Rogan?

  But it's, it was a rumor for a long time. It was like, that's just a conspiracy theory. Like, people like, this seems weird. Google settled 68 million in class action over alleged recording of private conversations.

• 2:40:17Speaker 03

  That's nothing.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  That's nothing. Yeah, so what is it? What was the accusation? They have agreed to pay $68 million to settle a class action lawsuit alleging they unlawfully recorded users' conversations through Google Assist-enabled devices without consent. The proposed Google settlement is pending approval from a federal judge, US District Court for Northern District of California. Class action lawsuit was filed in 2019 after consumers accused Google of concealing that its assistant-enabled devices could unintentionally activate and record conversations inside users' homes. So that's just for that, but that's like, did not intentionally activate it with a hot word such as "hey, Google," because it's listening to you all the time. So it's listening for you to say "hey, Google."

• 2:41:04Joe Rogan?

  But that's, you know, that's just Google Assistant devices. I don't have one of those, but yet my phone will bring up suggestions and ads for things that I've discussed that I haven't looked up. Just have the conversations about it, and it'll pop up.

• 2:41:20Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 2:41:21Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they would tell you. I think it's all metadata. It's all hidden. So there's no way to know, and we all know. We all kind of know. And, you know, this is-

• 2:41:30Speaker 03

  And people go like, "Well, I'm not, I'm not a criminal. I got nothing to hide." Yeah, but you don't understand the ramifications of this information. If somebody is in office and they want to start using keywords to locate people that they're gonna have audited, like they just, some woman got, was protesting ICE, and you know, they've got this facial recognition software that lets them know your name, your address.

• 2:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Is that Palantir? Is that what they're using?

• 2:41:56Speaker 03

  Something, no, it's not Palantir. It's something like that. But this woman went to the airport, and her TSA was canceled.

• 2:42:02Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:42:03Speaker 03

  Yeah!

• 2:42:04Joe Rogan?

  What? Because she was a protester?

• 2:42:05Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:42:06Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 2:42:06Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:42:07Joe Rogan?

  Just protesting?

• 2:42:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:42:09Speaker 03

  No, they're, they're taking, they're taking your license plate, they're taking people's faces, and they're running it through. They had one, one woman went from a protest to her house, and there was a car parked out front with ICE agents in it, saying, "We know where you live."

• 2:42:24Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:42:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  That's all she did was go to a protest?

• 2:42:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:42:29Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 2:42:30Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm sure she interacted. She was probably yelling out or whatever.

• 2:42:33Joe Rogan?

  She wasn't a part of the organizers of the protest or anything like that because?

• 2:42:36Speaker 03

  Maybe she was an organizer.

• 2:42:37Joe Rogan?

  This is the weird thing is the organizer, the signal chats and everything. It's, this is all being like very coordinated and very funded. Like this is a very coordinated thing, like what they're doing, where they're doxing these ICE agents and the whole thing is. It's all very fucking weird.

• 2:42:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:42:55Joe Rogan?

  The point about the Google stuff, though, is the people that go, oh, I'm not doing anything illegal. You are giving them your data and that data is a commodity and they are getting insanely wealthy off of getting your data in an unscrupulous way.

• 2:43:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:43:12Joe Rogan?

  They're not telling you they're doing this thing and they're getting your data.

• 2:43:15Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  And that data is making them insanely wealthy and then they use that wealth in a bunch of different ways to influence all sorts of things in the world.

• 2:43:23Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 2:43:24Joe Rogan?

  And that's what's going on. When nobody ever thought that their data was going to be a commodity.

• 2:43:28Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  Nobody ever gave a fuck about their email address or what they're interested in online.

• 2:43:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:43:33Joe Rogan?

  But it turns out that's fucking insanely valuable to advertisers.

• 2:43:37Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 2:43:38Joe Rogan?

  And that's, it's also it's like, you know, they're listening. You know, they're listening. They're listening to things.

• 2:43:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're listening and, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it, there's people now that are using Chat GPT to do therapy. Have you heard about that?

• 2:43:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:56Speaker 03

  And do you want to put your?

• 2:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, Chat GPT might tell you to kill yourself like that guy.

• 2:43:59Speaker 03

  Not only that, but you're telling your innermost embarrassing things. You think that's not going to be used against you at some point? When you try to get health insurance and health insurance has now audited what you said to Chat GPT and goes, well, you're a suicide risk or you're talking about trying to quit smoking. Now we know you're smoking. Any details?

• 2:44:18Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't there an instance real recently where someone had uploaded top secret information to Chat GPT? To a public, a government official had, see if you can find this, government official uploaded to a public's Chat GPT. Not like some secure encrypted version that the government gets because they were trying to go over some data. Here it is. U S cyber defense chief accidentally uploaded secret government info to Chat GPT.

• 2:44:50Joe Rogan?

  So they grilled the acting chief on a mass layoffs and a failed polygraph. Failed polygraph is hilarious. So this guy, good luck saying his name, accidentally uploaded sensitive information to a public version of ChatGPT last summer. Accidentally, according to four Department of Homeland Security officials with knowledge of the incident. Try to say that guy's name.

• 2:45:12Speaker 03

  Gata Mokula.

• 2:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Is that it?

• 2:45:15Speaker 03

  Gata Mokula.

• 2:45:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Gata Mokula.

• 2:45:17Speaker 03

  He plays defense for the Rams.

• 2:45:19Joe Rogan?

  Uploads. He's like a fucking big Polish guy. Uploads of sensitive CISA contracting documents triggered multiple internal cyber security warnings designed to stop theft or unintentional disclosure of government material from federal networks. And this fucking guy's the director of cyber security and infrastructure security?

• 2:45:43Speaker 03

  Well, what does it mean accidentally upload? Did it, did it eavesdrop on him or did he say something that caused ChatGPT?

• 2:45:51Joe Rogan?

  It seems like he uploaded the data. Like he was probably trying to parse out the data.

• 2:45:56Speaker 04

  He was just hired to, or just joined the agency.

• 2:45:59Speaker 03

  Oh, great. Oh, my God.

• 2:46:03Speaker 04

  The information was not confidential but marked for official use only.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  A whole new world.

• 2:46:09Speaker 03

  I feel like Russia and China know everything.

• 2:46:14Joe Rogan?

  And we know everything about Russia and China.

• 2:46:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:46:17Joe Rogan?

  And they're all ratting on each other. Palantir app, ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid. Yeah. So it is Palantir, at least for that.

• 2:46:26Speaker 04

  The article he had, it was blocked by a paywall. I couldn't, I was trying to get around.

• 2:46:30Joe Rogan?

  Nuts.

• 2:46:32Speaker 03

  Joe Rogan experience, can't afford to pay for. Is this it? We're wrapping it up?

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  Let's wrap this bitch up.

• 2:46:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  It's four o'clock.

• 2:46:37Speaker 03

  Can I name some dates?

• 2:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah.

• 2:46:40Speaker 03

  I will be at the Philadelphia, he'll aim, as I said, Valentine's Day weekend.

• 2:46:45Joe Rogan?

  Great fucking club.

• 2:46:46Speaker 03

  I'm going to be in Sacramento at the Punch Line next week. And then I'm going to be in Lexington, Kentucky at Comedy Off Broadway.

• 2:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Fucking club. And this is Greg Fitzsimmons dot com. Go to the, the link for stand up dates, plenty of gigs.

• 2:47:00Speaker 03

  The podcast or Sunday Papers with Mike Gibbons, which, oh, by the way, thank you for the shout out. You and Bert Kreischer gave me a little love bath yesterday.

• 2:47:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir.

• 2:47:08Speaker 03

  That was nice. So, yeah, he was talking about Sunday Papers I've been doing with Mike for a long time, and then Fitzdog Radio that you've been on many times.

• 2:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Yee fucking ha. All right. We're gonna wrap it up. You're at the mothership this weekend. I'm very excited about that.

• 2:47:20Speaker 03

  You gonna come down?

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:47:22Speaker 03

  Fuck, yeah. All right, good.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Goodbye, everybody.

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