A Goofy Cowboys Tie, the Reeling Ravens, a Crazy Sports Weekend, Guess the Lines, Mets Sadness, and Sox-Yanks With Cousin Sal

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to react to the overtime matchup between the Packers and Cowboys before discussing the players and teams that have won them over in the NFL through four weeks (4:40). Then, they guess the lines for Week 5 before talking about baseball, the Ryder Cup, and closing with Parent Corner (01:03:11). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo Fill your fridge with Michelob ULTRA - the official beer partner of the NBA. https://www.doordash.com/p/play-for-an-ultra ENJOY RESPONSIBLY © 2025 ANHEUSER-BUSCH, MICHELOB ULTRA® LIGHT BEER, ST. LOUIS, MO. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:30Bill Simmons?

  The Bill Simmons Podcast is presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. We are also presented by The Ringer Podcast Network. Put up a new Prestige TV podcast tonight, actually. Episode four of Task: Broke It Down. Me, Joanna, Rob. You can hear that. You can listen to rewatchables on Monday night. We started Redford Month. We're starting it two days early before October, but we are going to do The Sting as the first episode. So that is what's coming. Unbelievable sports time right now. Ryder Cup this weekend was really fun. Check out Fairway Roland for the recap of everything that happened on that. Baseball playoffs are coming. We're going to be covering that in the Ringer Gambling. Show and we come around the New York, New York podcast on Off the Pike with Brian Barrett as

• 2:14Bill Simmons?

  well, the Boston podcast that we have. And this week, it's, it's just going to be a lot of stuff going on because it's Red Sox Yanks, a huge, huge, huge monkey wrench for me personally. I'm going to talk about it with Sal a bit later, but I really hate the Yankees. The Red Sox do not have as good of a team as the Yankees. So we have a crush, but losing to the Yankees is my least favorite thing. I think if I had to rank it Yankees Lakers are just at the very top of just pure hatred of franchises. And then it really dips to another level after that. Those are the two. Those are the two. I never would have let my kids be fans of. I just really dislike both teams.

• 2:59Bill Simmons?

  I wrote a bunch of columns about that over the years. I wrote a whole thing about sports hate. I really sports hate both of those teams, but I actually also genuinely hate the Yankees and the, and the Lakers too, but especially the Yankees, especially growing up when they used to kick our ass year after year. And then they were super arrogant about it. And then everything finally flipped. In 2004, we came back from three, nothing and beat them. And for the record, the Red Sox have won four World Series in the 21st century and the Yankees have only won one. And it would be really nice to beat them when they're heavy favorites, almost two to one favorites against the Red Sox. So anyway, go Sox. I've, I've really enjoyed this season. It's the first season I've thrown

• 3:40Bill Simmons?

  myself into, really since 2018, where I was just watching everything. And it was a really flawed, really lovable Red Sox team that had one great starter. They traded Devers during the season, which was weird, but then Roman Anthony showed up and all of a sudden it was Ted Williams. Then he got hurt. Then it seemed like they weren't going to make the playoffs. Then they somehow did anyway. And there's just something spunky about them. So it'll be interesting to see how it plays on the playoffs. There's a chance they just get wiped out. There's another chance that they could be one of those weird baseball teams that had in October, all of a sudden you're like, how the hell is this team winning? I don't know what to expect. I'm just glad they're in it. So go Red Sox.

• 4:24Bill Simmons?

  Can't wait for it. We're going to talk to cousin Sal. It is late Sunday night because we just had an overtime tie. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about week four NFL. We're talking about Ryder Cup, baseball playoffs, parent corner, all coming up next. Let's take a break, break and approach you. It's the Bill Simmons Podcast presented by FanDuel and the NFL is back and thank God. FanDuel has everything. They got an awesome app. They have SGPs. They have great futures. They have good prop bets, live betting, your way bets, clean app. It's great to use, been using it for a few years. Every time I go back to Boston or any place that has FanDuel and I get to use it, I'm always excited. I'm on an airplane runway. You done the airplane runway?

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• 6:11Bill Simmons?

  All right, we are recording. It is 9:15 Pacific time and past midnight on the East Coast where Cousin Sal is, where he finished his roller coaster week. Let's see, the Mets died.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 6:23Bill Simmons?

  The Ryder Cup USA team died. The Cowboys tied. And our cousin came back. What a roller coaster. We just watched a four hour football game that ended with a team willingly saying, yeah, fuck it, let's have a tie. 40 to 40. And yet it was a win for the Cowboys. You must have been dreading this game all week.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  We won the trade. We won the trade. It's over. We won it. See how easy that was? Two firsts.

• 6:52Speaker 05

  I was so excited about the Bad Bunny announcement and then we get a tie out of this mess. That was terrific, but uh, I, you know, you could say the Cowboys got lucky, but my God, I don't know how much this game you want to talk about. How lucky was LaFleur that there was a one tick left? And that the guy at the, the cork and the clock was, wasn't half asleep and make it go on. That was amazing. Just amazing.

• 7:17Bill Simmons?

  I was dumbfounded by the Packers. You were down, you had like a fifth round, fourth string linebacker in the middle of the field who Collinsworth was just openly going, that guy doesn't know what he's doing. And they're just running these bubble screens and side passes and they have Kraft, they have all these receivers that go over the middle. Every time they throw over the middle, it's complete for eight to 15 yards. And then when they need to do it on fourth down, they do it. And then they start doing the bubble screens again. I, I, I thought that game was such a loss for the Packers. As happy as I was for you that, uh, that Dallas looked good. Their defense was so bad. I mean, they couldn't get it stopped. Their special teams was bad. Uh, I thought their clock management was bizarre and then it almost ends with them botching it.

• 8:00Bill Simmons?

  And it should have gone to zero. Where was your clock guy? I mean, honestly, like in high school and college, that game's over.

• 8:06Speaker 05

  They, they, that guy can't come back. I mean, Jerry needs to pay the clock guy $148 million. That's, that's all where our next big payment goes there. And by the way, speaking of, didn't it seem like in the beginning, the Cowboys were kind of playing not to lose and the offense like, you know, went into gear, but I think Jerry gave everyone a bonus. Says, hey, if Parsons doesn't get a sack, offensive line, quarterback, running backs.

• 8:30Bill Simmons?

  A million dollars each?

• 8:31Speaker 05

  Everybody gets it. I'll blow all the Micah money right now. I don't care. And he technically, I guess, got a sack, but um, I was like, God damn, that better not be the story. Him stopping Dak from scoring there and Green Bay comes down. But it was a ridiculous game.

• 8:45Bill Simmons?

  The crazy thing was he's doing interviews before the game.

• 8:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:48Bill Simmons?

  It's like he's the last person who, who didn't realize that everybody hated that trade. He's still talking about it, making cases for it. And then, you know, the ultimate case was the most valuable guy in that team other than Dak is the kicker. Would you trade Aubrey for two first round picks? The guy, the guy's the biggest weapon in the league with these kickoff rules and how far everyone can kick field goals. It feels like he's worth 20 yards a quarter, right?

• 9:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure.

• 9:15Bill Simmons?

  Like over time, you're like, well, you gotta get it. They're gonna score at least three. They get one first down. He's kicking a field goal. So you know, you need three to tie them.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  We've seen some of these teams go from quarterback to backup quarterback and the line doesn't move at all. I feel like if we had another kicker in there, the Cowboys line should go up a half a point or down a half a point in there. And it's gonna be great to see this guy hold out next August for all the money in the world.

• 9:39Bill Simmons?

  Well, you have a great kicker turner too. I mean, it was, I thought special teams had a huge impact on this game.

• 9:46Speaker 05

  You know, I was in a cab, I'm Brooklyn and in between the late afternoon games and the night game and I'm coming back and everyone's like, Jerry was crying talking to Jason Garrett. He's saying, oh, we should have won two Super Bowls. I was like, don't anyone send me this video because I will vomit all over my hotel room and some poor housekeeper was gonna have to come play. With Jason Garrett.

• 10:09Bill Simmons?

  Like the Super Bowl, the final game in the, in the season?

• 10:12Speaker 05

  That's Super Bowl, yeah. Not the bad bunny ball, but yeah, the Super Bowl.

• 10:15Bill Simmons?

  Who thinks they should have won two Super Bowls? I don't even know if they should have made a Super Bowl. I mean, was the Romo, the Romo botched where Garrett wasn't the coach for that?

• 10:24Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no. But you know, we had some 13 win. We were, we were right there for, if not for Eli. But anyway, let's celebrate the tie.

• 10:33Bill Simmons?

  Well, let's celebrate the fact that the Cowboys are entertaining. They're not, I don't know, you're gonna go, well, now you have a tie. Will you go 610 and one, 78 and one, 511 and one, whatever you're gonna end up with. But at least, at least it's gonna be fun to watch. The other team's offense is gonna move up down the field. Your team can move up down the field. Lamb will come back soon. Pickens, that was the best game I've ever seen him play. I thought he was dominant. Jabante Williams, who you took a flyer on, I thought he was really good too. I, I gotta be honest, I didn't really feel like there was a difference between the two teams. Did you?

• 11:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:09Bill Simmons?

  Like watching that game for four hours, I didn't really feel, I felt like they were right near each other, which is a bad sign for a team we were sent in the Super Bowl two weeks ago, myself included.

• 11:19Speaker 05

  I think our offense is good. I don't want to praise our defense at all, but I do feel like there are certain games this team's going to get up for. We got up for the Eagles game opening night. We didn't win that game, but we got up for it. We made sure we didn't lose to the Giants, although we played piss poor football and we were going to get up for this one. I don't know what that says for the rest of the year, but I, I think you're right. They're going to be entertaining. You know, I don't think NBC or anyone will be embarrassed putting them in primetime because they'll score points.

• 11:46Bill Simmons?

  No, plus we had the, uh, the Chiefs were finally a little bit entertaining today. Um, new overtime rules. That was the first time we've had those.

• 11:57Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 11:59Bill Simmons?

  I, I don't know if I liked it. I don't know.

• 12:03Bill Simmons?

  I, I think it should have been 12 minutes. If we're going to do each team gets a possession, 10 minutes is a little late because what happens is the Packers, they give up a field goal, then they just basically stonewall it and they make it so either we tie. And that's not fun. I didn't feel like, it didn't feel like sudden death to me. It felt like sudden nap.

• 12:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, but this wasn't an exact, Cowboys didn't score a touchdown. They kicked a field goal. It's been like that for years. We, if you kick a field goal, they have a chance.

• 12:31Bill Simmons?

  I didn't like, I just didn't like it in general because even if the Cowboys scored, the Packers were still going to get the ball back with their chance to go down. I just, I didn't feel like it was as tense as I wanted it to be. That's my point. I never felt like, I was like, oh my God. Oh, they got it. It was, it was like, oh, it was never felt that way.

• 12:48Speaker 05

  I feel like here's, here's something I'll say is, uh, you know, it's the, the way you think about it is, oh, if you, if you win the toss, you play on defense, right? Because you want to see what the team does. You want to see what you have to do in the second possession. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if that's the case anymore. If you have an exhausted defense, you're putting them out there right away and the Cowboys move the ball down the field and the Cowboys defense was probably equally as tired, had about 15 good minutes to re-energize, you know, otherwise, and the Packers maybe score a touchdown if they get the ball first.

• 13:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I didn't like that. I just didn't feel like that was the same urgency to the quarter. Like first of all, you're deferring, which everybody, they did a lot of stories on that before the year. And it's like, probably slightly makes sense to be second because then you have the option of going for two and trying to whatever if both teams scored a touchdown.

• 13:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:36Bill Simmons?

  But I don't know, I would want the ball first. Dallas had been on the field for a while.

• 13:40Speaker 05

  Well, yeah.

• 13:42Bill Simmons?

  I didn't, I didn't like it. I think if you're gonna have both teams can score a touchdown, like, let's make it 12 minutes. Let's make the game longer. 10 minutes is just, I don't know.

• 13:52Speaker 05

  I don't like a tie.

• 13:53Bill Simmons?

  I didn't love it.

• 13:54Speaker 05

  Situation. I didn't love that the Ryder Cup could have maybe ended in a tie. I was like, really? We're gonna watch 72 hours of golf and it's gonna end in a tie? Like, we can get rid of all these ties.

• 14:03Bill Simmons?

  Plenty of scoring. Cup had this wrinkle. Nobody even really knew about that Hovland's.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:08Bill Simmons?

  I'm hurt. It's like, ah, looks like we split the half. It's like, what? The guy can't play. Why don't you lose the half?

• 14:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, I guess we benefited off that in 91 or something, but yeah, I'm what they, there are some dumb golf rules too.

• 14:21Bill Simmons?

  So what would be your dream overtime rule? Like, how would you do it? Cause I didn't like what happened tonight. Whatever that was, I didn't love it.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  Um, my dream overtime rule is that they do away with it. So we could have started this at 11:30 instead of 12:20.

• 14:36Bill Simmons?

  Come on, you'll have a slice of pizza at 1:30 in the morning. You'll be fine.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  You're not freaking kidding. I don't know. I, I, I still haven't heard one that's perfect, honestly.

• 14:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 05

  What would you do?

• 14:48Bill Simmons?

  I would have gone two more minutes. I think it's just 12 minutes.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:52Bill Simmons?

  Cause then that's enough time for two long drives, get the two timeouts. And then if you're the Packers, where you're like, ah, whatever, we'll just tie. You're not worried about Dallas getting the ball back cause you can do what they did, which was just basically kill the clock. I didn't like that.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  I'm good with adding time. It's, I don't think it's a danger thing anymore. You got half the players wearing helmets the size of the sphere. So it's, we're good. We could play two more minutes.

• 15:16Bill Simmons?

  The Packers are playing blackjack. They're just surrendering over and over again. Ah, surrender. Ah, one more.

• 15:23Speaker 05

  Very strange. So you didn't like the two point, I don't think, I take it you didn't like the two point conversion being run back? Well, the extra point being blocked. You weren't a fan of that.

• 15:34Bill Simmons?

  You know what I wasn't a fan of? They scored and it's 13, nothing. And I'm, I had a great day today. And this was like the Packers and some money line parlays was the capper. And I went and I got myself a nice thing of hot water. Three minutes, I'm talking to my son in the kitchen. Come back with my glass of hot water with a little lemon in it. And it's 13 to two. And I'm like, did I like have a stroke? What, how, what, did I miss a safety? So now I'm rewinding and I mean, that never happens, that two point thing. They said it happened 15 times in the last 11 years. I don't remember any of the times, do you? Like maybe once?

• 16:13Speaker 05

  No, it never happens. Another thing that never happens, a football fan drinking hot water with lemon. What's the matter? Are you sick or something?

• 16:21Bill Simmons?

  Huh? What's wrong with having hot water with lemon?

• 16:24Speaker 05

  What's right with it? Hot water and lemon, you deserve that. Bring him back.

• 16:29Bill Simmons?

  I'm old. I had some pizza. I wanted to send some hot water down the pipes.

• 16:36Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Wow.

• 16:39Bill Simmons?

  How dare you?

• 16:41Speaker 05

  No, it's good. It's good.

• 16:42Bill Simmons?

  You were complaining on Tuesday night because I wanted to get milkshakes and you didn't want to get a milkshake.

• 16:46Speaker 05

  I know.

• 16:47Bill Simmons?

  You wanted to share a milkshake with Rob Mills. You're going to share a milkshake with another grown man. You're making fun of me?

• 16:54Speaker 05

  I can't breathe at the end of these meals. It's not, I still don't want hot water and lemon. I would never be seen.

• 16:59Bill Simmons?

  Well, the hot water is making me hot and sweaty right now. So I'm probably going to have a stroke as we, as we do this. Um, well, Green Bay, I'm pretty lukewarm. I know they got a couple of receivers back, though they'll get a little healthier on the defensive side. But for the most part, the impact of the Parsons thing was not what we had in our heads so far.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  Definitely far from what we saw week one, right? Like against Detroit, like, oh, this team's not, you're going to be lucky to get 10 points against this team at all. I'm looking at the divisions. You want to guess?

• 17:36Bill Simmons?

  For NFC North?

• 17:38Speaker 05

  North, yeah.

• 17:40Bill Simmons?

  I think Detroit has to be favored now, probably minus. I haven't looked at this. I would say Detroit minus 140.

• 17:47Speaker 05

  Detroit plus 140.

• 17:49Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, no, I would have said minus 140.

• 17:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Green Bay's even, Detroit plus 140.

• 17:56Bill Simmons?

  So Green Bay's favorites though?

• 17:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, barely favored. And they have to play in Detroit. Yeah, yeah.

• 18:05Bill Simmons?

  So who would you have in the NFC right now?

• 18:08Speaker 05

  In the whole NFC?

• 18:09Bill Simmons?

  If you had to pick an NFC team?

• 18:11Speaker 05

  That's the Eagles. I hate it, but it's the Eagles. Yeah, isn't it?

• 18:16Bill Simmons?

  They had no completions in the second half.

• 18:18Speaker 05

  I know. I know. They're laughing at all of us.

• 18:20Bill Simmons?

  They just love to fuck with us. Um, let's play a game of win you over.

• 18:26Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 18:26Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna throw some things at you and you tell me if you were won over or not.

• 18:30Speaker 05

  All right. I'm gonna throw some hot tea with lemon at you.

• 18:35Bill Simmons?

  Now, I don't have any lemon in this one. It's just hot water. Look.

• 18:38Speaker 05

  At least put it in a Big John stud glass or something.

• 18:44Speaker 05

  You got all those.

• 18:45Bill Simmons?

  This is gonna be us in the nursing home 25 years from now. You're making fun of me with the hot water.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  Put your lemon away.

• 18:54Bill Simmons?

  Win you over. Did the Chiefs win you back today?

• 18:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, they did.

• 19:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, okay.

• 19:01Speaker 05

  They did. Yeah, they, I think they were laughing at all of us, much like the Eagles do offensive with their offensive game call. But, uh, I don't know, man. I mean, they have receivers like dancing. I'm like, all right, you, you barely break 17 points any week. And you guys are dancing around then like, I don't know. Do you think it's a combination of the Ravens? Defense being abysmal, bottom three?

• 19:25Bill Simmons?

  I thought it was a good sign how they played today. I didn't understand the line this week, especially when all the Baltimore injuries came out. Thought it probably should have been closer to a pick 'em. But that said, I, I just thought Baltimore was decimated. I think Carbone knew it. Some of the usage with Henry was pretty strange, where he just wasn't in there on these third and two, third and ones. Where I feel like in January, he will be. And when, and I thought the announcers did a good job of talking about it. When he's out there, you have to play like he's gonna move your linebacker. And when he's not out there, you can just play everything completely different. So I, I, I just felt like they, they kind of knew they weren't gonna win the game and they went pretty vanilla.

• 20:08Bill Simmons?

  And Lamar tweaked his hamstring and they're just like, all right, he's out. It just, it was like, they just felt like they didn't, they weren't gonna win and they didn't, they didn't really want to go for it. That was my take.

• 20:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. I just, this is two weeks in a row. We saw Lamar not be able to break contain, right? And maybe you're right. Maybe they're just showing vanilla offense because they knew they were going to be stuck today. But um, yeah, that, that the Chiefs are, you know, you know, once the Chargers lost to the Giants, I'm like, oh, I get it. I get it. Now the Chiefs are going to win. They're going to be a game out and they still have the game at home against the Chargers. Now, now I understand football.

• 20:45Bill Simmons?

  Kyle Hamilton had a really weird quote. Let's see if I can find it. It was the only thing that made me feel weird about, about maybe something's going on with the Ravens. He said, I just want to apologize to the fans, the product that we're putting on the field right now, not up to par with the Raves have been in the past, in recent past. We're trying our best to correct it, but obviously something's wrong.

• 21:10Bill Simmons?

  It's our best guy on defense. Now they're missing seven guys. It's going to take a while for everybody to come back and they do, they feel like they do this every once in a while, but the difference this time around going one and three, um, apparently that's only happened twice in the last 25 years for them and oh, five and 15, they didn't make the playoffs. And more importantly, their defense is on pace to allow 560 points. Wow. That seems like a problem. Yeah, they're, they're 560 for 17 games, you know, uh, and I, they just don't get stops. They seem slow. And I would be like, Mallory is freaking out. She thinks they're, they might be the year from hell team. Yeah. Which brings up the point that we don't have the year from hell

• 21:55Bill Simmons?

  team obvious yet, and they're probably the favorite, right? They're minus 150 to be the year from hell team. Who else would put the Niners?

• 22:02Speaker 05

  No, they're kind of coming off the year from hell. So you could, you could maybe, you can assume that it might happen again. Yeah, I was thinking about it. So just taking it down the, the ladder a little bit, like, I don't think Lamar could be in the conversation with Allen before this game even to be MVP. Cause like after last week's performance, like, well, they're going to lose five games. They're not going to be a top two seed. Now I'm not even sure they win that division. Like, you know,

• 22:29Bill Simmons?

  What do we have for the odds there? Do you have that?

• 22:31Speaker 05

  Baltimore's minus 210. I would, I would not take, I don't know if there's value in the Steelers plus 280, but I had no way I would take the Ravens at minus 210 at this point.

• 22:41Bill Simmons?

  So Steelers have a two game lead on them and one of the biggest, shiniest horseshoes up their ass that I've seen in recent years. Just it's unbelievable. We're going to talk about them later. I think there's a real issue with the Ravens with, with all these injuries and the fact that they're, the bigger thing is their schedules, you know, they, it was one of like the three or four schedules we were kind of worried about heading into the year. We were wondering if they would go two and two to come out of this and then kind of right the ship and do what they do. But I don't know. I guess the one thing with them is the, the division. I don't think now that Burrow's out, Cleveland can't score. There's already like, are they going to change QBs, stuff with them? And I continue to not think Pittsburgh

• 23:23Bill Simmons?

  is good. I don't care. They can go 16 and one and I'm, I'm just not buying them this year. I was in on them last year. I don't see it this year. Do you?

• 23:31Speaker 05

  I'm with you, but they're going to win games like this, like today, right? Like, I don't want to give them too much credit, but their, their, their offense isn't imaginative at all. They moved the ball a little better, but yeah, I go back and forth. They have wins against Justin Fields and Drake maybe and Carson Wentz. And I'm like, but I'm not betting them to win the AFC North, right? And they have the Browns and Bengals next. They could be five and one, this team.

• 23:56Bill Simmons?

  They seem so easy to stop. Rogers is just quick throwing everything. I don't understand why teams don't just move everybody up. Like they're not trying to test anybody down the field at all. Um, I don't, I don't think they run the ball particularly well, though. Gainwell was pretty well, pretty good today. And they just get these turnovers every game. I mean, the Jags are the other team that are just getting turnovers left and right. And the Steelers are getting it, but the, the game today, like the right tackle and the center and the Vikings were out by the second quarter. Like you just kind of knew, all right, Carson Wentz with a, with a triple A offensive line. Like this isn't going to go well. And then they're playing in Ireland, which is supposed to be, you know, their foreign

• 24:36Bill Simmons?

  country neutral site. It's like 95% Steelers fans there. And it felt like a real home game and it seemed like it was loud there too. So.

• 24:47Bill Simmons?

  I just don't see it. I thought the patch should beat them last week like, like convincingly. So.

• 24:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, they're probably somewhere in between what we saw today. I still don't like the quality of quarterbacks that they're facing like once. You know, we get fall in love with some of these backups like once one last week, they they crushed Cincinnati. Well, look what Cincinnati did the week before. They won and we like Browning, right? Like it doesn't, you can't count on these guys to play consecutive games, you know, above par, I think.

• 25:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I mean, Winston Mariota were two people. I didn't bet on Washington.

• 25:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:24Bill Simmons?

  Two quarterbacks you could have bet on today. And felt good about that until you're watching the game. You're like, oh, shit. I bet on Marcus Mariota. What, what did I do?

• 25:33Speaker 05

  Right.

• 25:35Bill Simmons?

  Did, uh? Did the Jaguars win you over?

• 25:40Bill Simmons?

  Where are you with that? How much of that game did you watch?

• 25:42Speaker 05

  No, I watched a lot of it and I, uh. You know, I have to stick with them because I picked them to win that stupid division and, um, but they.

• 25:50Bill Simmons?

  Three and one. I don't know if it's stupid.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  Plenty of times they look to give that game away, right? That just seems to be the thing like, well, the clock. Expire before they do enough stupid shit, whether it's Trevor Lawrence going out of bounds, you know, when he should be trying to kill the clock. But I think you said it earlier, like they have three or more turnovers in all four games. They had four today and Eric Armstead.

• 26:12Bill Simmons?

  13, 13 total.

• 26:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. So that'll keep them in every game if that keeps up, but it's also kind of flukish.

• 26:20Bill Simmons?

  They had nine total last year. They have 13 already this year through four. They lead the league.

• 26:25Speaker 05

  Pretty good.

• 26:25Bill Simmons?

  I've actually just randomly, I think, have watched every Jaguars game. I think I've had money on three of them. There are a couple, you know, dopey turnovers that like, oh, that was stupid, but they, there was somewhere they, you know, they caused the turnover and they are aggressive and they do fly around and they make plays. So at some point it's a real thing. Um, I want to point out there are dumb Jake Browning drive away from being 4-0. Right?

• 26:49Speaker 05

  Right. For sure.

• 26:52Bill Simmons?

  Their best player has 12 catches and zero TDs in four games, Thomas. Their stud mega rookie, who they traded all that shit for, has 10 catches and zero TDs in four games. And for some reason, it's working. ETN is like really, really, uh, I like, he murdered my fantasy team last year. But he's got the juice back. And, uh, I don't know, they've gotten some special team stuff. Their coach tried to fight Robert A. Kid Salah.

• 27:20Speaker 05

  That's fun.

• 27:20Bill Simmons?

  After the game, I enjoyed that. Um, and I can't find seven AFC playoff teams.

• 27:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, right. That's the, I mean, they might get to nine and make it. They could beat out Baltimore for a wild card at this point, even if they don't win the division. It's getting that, that weird.

• 27:36Bill Simmons?

  I think, I, I don't want to say they won me over.

• 27:41Bill Simmons?

  But I am taking them seriously as like, I bet on them today. They won. Like, I do think they're competent. I think they're slightly above middle of the road. I, I feel the same way about them in the Pats. The Niners, is there a three and one team you like less than Niners right now?

• 27:59Speaker 05

  Let me see.

• 27:59Bill Simmons?

  They looked awful today.

• 28:03Speaker 05

  What's Denver? Are they two and one? They could be three and one or no?

• 28:05Bill Simmons?

  Three and one teams are, I'll give them to you. Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Indy, Chargers, uh, Detroit, Tampa, San Francisco, Seattle and the Rams.

• 28:16Speaker 05

  I mean, we're probably going to get to this on your list there, but Indy is, uh, I, I think I would take San Francisco over Indianapolis.

• 28:24Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 28:25Speaker 05

  Not by a lot, but they just, they just look like they want to do anything stupid to lose. I mean, that Adonny Mitchell play, sorry, that's, what's his play on that?

• 28:35Bill Simmons?

  He cost them 14 points.

• 28:37Speaker 05

  The one, the, the one, the, the touchback one is the one, uh, I love.

• 28:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was tough. I felt bad for him because. I didn't, it wasn't like a Deshaun putting the ball out and doing a dance. Like he was about to cross the line and he was going to hold it up, which every guy does. But for some reason, when he did it, he had like a spasm.

• 28:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was a little less foolish.

• 28:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it wasn't, the Deshaun thing is still like the all-timer. When they drop it before they hit the goal line, those are the stupidest. Those can't be defended.

• 29:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, that wasn't that. But I mean, is this go on in any other workplace really? Like at the Ringer, if someone wrote an article and then juggled his computer in celebration, then dropped it into a staircase, three floors, like, do like fucking asshole, don't ever talk to me again. Right? What are you, what are you doing?

• 29:24Bill Simmons?

  You flew to New York, you forgot your cord.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's true.

• 29:27Bill Simmons?

  That was like an Adam Mitchell. Could Adam Mitchell go to Amazon and send you a new recorder?

• 29:33Speaker 05

  Oh, what an idiot I am.

• 29:35Bill Simmons?

  With the Niners, special teams, week after week, they're in the bottom three or five. Right? They gave up a huge, huge kick return this week. They had the field goal stuff from Miller in the air. It just feels like they, they've just never solved that. They just lose points. They're like the anti Dallas. They've already had a bunch of injuries and they have not had the McCaffrey injury yet. And they're rushing, by the way, what do you think they're rushing yards per carry? The, the bunted Niners running attack, I think it is this year.

• 30:04Speaker 05

  Four, two?

• 30:05Bill Simmons?

  Three, three.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  Really?

• 30:08Bill Simmons?

  Second to last in the NFL.

• 30:09Speaker 05

  I'm moving it.

• 30:11Bill Simmons?

  And they're playing Thursday.

• 30:13Speaker 05

  Right.

• 30:14Bill Simmons?

  Playing Seattle, so they could be three and two and headed the wrong way and.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  Play the Rams Thursday. Yeah.

• 30:20Bill Simmons?

  Are the Rams? Yeah, yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:21Bill Simmons?

  So I don't know. Who's your favorite NFC West team?

• 30:24Speaker 05

  I, I think you're right because it's like, we haven't seen the end of their injuries just as, and Purdy, like you and I, we went back and forth with Purdy so much from game to game.

• 30:33Bill Simmons?

  Again, I went, I'm back against, I'm.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  But now you'll see it within the games, like you'll see him make a great throw and then you're like, oh my God. Then what is he thinking with that interception? Like we just within the same game, like that's, that's new, Purdy. All right, let's look at this.

• 30:47Bill Simmons?

  He makes some plays that I'm just like, I gotta go get some hot water and lemon. I just can't believe he did that.

• 30:54Speaker 05

  Good. You gotta blame someone for that. That's a double lemon.

• 30:59Bill Simmons?

  It's a double lemon. Throw into traffic by Purdy. Yeah. So can I get, I haven't looked at the NFC West lines. Can I guess?

• 31:05Speaker 05

  Sure, yeah.

• 31:06Bill Simmons?

  Cause we have three, three and one teams and then Arizona's two and two.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  Two and two, yeah.

• 31:11Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say the Rams are favored to win the NFC West and probably in the plus 140 to 150 range.

• 31:19Speaker 05

  Very good. Plus 135.

• 31:21Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say the Niners are second, just because there's a bunch of money in them already, but it's probably higher, like plus 190.

• 31:29Speaker 05

  165.

• 31:31Bill Simmons?

  I think Seattle's under 2 to 1, probably plus 190.

• 31:36Speaker 05

  Oh, all right. So that's the team you gotta bet and I like them too. They're 4 to 1. And I guess they were like almost 8 to 1 last week, but I don't think they cut that enough.

• 31:46Bill Simmons?

  That they were 5 to 1 before the season because I bet it. After week 1, they went to 10 to 1, 11 to 1 in some spots.

• 31:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:53Bill Simmons?

  8 to 1 after week 2. So now still 4 to 1.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  4 to 1.

• 31:58Bill Simmons?

  I think they're good. I think Seattle's a good team.

• 32:00Speaker 05

  Well, we were cursing that coach all Thursday night on text. We were very upset with their their decisions. A lot of good coaches made weird decisions this week, but uh.

• 32:11Bill Simmons?

  I just think he's like, you ever have those family members or friends who are just like the overprotective parents? Where they're just like, you're going somewhere and the kids have to be in a car seat and they like just like completely over the top. I just think that's how he treats offense. It's like, be careful. Put Donald in a car seat. It's 33.

• 32:36Bill Simmons?

  He just, he's so scared of anything of, of, of having the offense fuck things up. I, he either really believes in his defense or just doesn't understand offense. Cause this is 2 out of the, out of the 4 weeks, he just seemed terrified to let his offense win a game for him.

• 32:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. And then by the goal line, making weird calls. Kenneth Walker never gets a ball, ball at the goal line anymore. And nobody does their kickers any favors. Like everybody, nobody wants to go for touchdowns anymore. It's like, all right, let's get him to the 36 yard line. Let's see what he's got.

• 33:06Bill Simmons?

  Let's take a break and then we're going to play more win you overs.

• 33:09Speaker 05

  All right.

• 33:10Bill Simmons?

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• 34:38Bill Simmons?

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• 35:25Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, this, this is a departure of what we said just last week, right?

• 35:30Bill Simmons?

  Literally seven days ago. We were like, man, when you have that many holes, I don't know. That's a luxury picks. Like I, I believed that when I said it.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  I've watched a lot of them. He's getting blasted behind the line of scrimmage. So his bad carries are not his fault at all. I don't think for the most part that offensive line is decrepit, but.

• 35:50Bill Simmons?

  And had injuries today too.

• 35:52Speaker 05

  Right. But when he breaks them and he's, he's rock solid. So yeah, he's back. He's back in my eyes. Won me over.

• 35:59Bill Simmons?

  I thought he was the best player I watched today in any of the TVs.

• 36:03Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 36:04Bill Simmons?

  He was either getting blasted behind the line and somehow fighting his way back to line of scrimmage. He was, I don't know how many guys, I can't wait for the stats. I don't know how many guys he made miss today. But it had to have been, it felt like 20. He's just so dangerous. He can catch it. I just felt like he found his footing today. I found the other games, he just seemed kind of small to me and today he was just like, uh, I, I thought he was overpowering today. I thought he was awesome and that was a, a really, really, really, really horrible Raiders loss.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, as I say, plays for losers. That's a problem. Yeah.

• 36:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm out. I had them begrudgingly as my seven seed. And it was like, do you go Jacksonville? Do you go Indy? Like, who do you have to go nine and eight? And I was like, ah, fuck it, Vegas. They're not making the playoffs. I'm, I feel very comfortable predicting that right now.

• 36:54Speaker 05

  You're out on the Rays? You don't think this is a hasty decision? Wow. Okay.

• 36:58Bill Simmons?

  No, we need to, Gino has seven picks in four games, by the way.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  I know.

• 37:04Bill Simmons?

  We need to have a real convo about Pete Carroll. Because they're one of the three worst coached teams. They do really stupid game management stuff. They seem unprepared. Um, they're sloppy. I, I just don't agree with stuff. I don't know how they beat the Pats in week one. Cause I did, the Pats are just better than them.

• 37:22Speaker 05

  When he went on third and two, again, setting his kicker up for shitty long field goal. Cause there's this, the common misconception that everybody makes field goals. Like no, there's a bunch that are blocked. And there's a bunch that just miss, you know, it still happens, but they cut away to him like right after the run play, the weak run play. And he's like, that was a bad call. He actually, you could see his mouth was like, yeah, yes, Pete. Yes, you're getting it. Yeah.

• 37:45Bill Simmons?

  Well, I wonder like with him and Belichick, cause I've been thinking about this with Belichick and we even talked about it a little last week, like. I wrote this column for ESPN. It must have been in,

• 37:56Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, late 2000s. I did the speed limit corollary about when coaches hit 55.

• 38:01Speaker 05

  I remember that.

• 38:02Bill Simmons?

  That they start tailing out and I had all this data and it was like Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Tom Langer, all these people when they hit a certain age. And then, you know, as we, we have better stuff now. We have hot tea with lemon and creatine and all these things, HGH, all these different ways, mind exercises. But maybe we're really pushing it when we get to the mid 70s. Like, it might be, might be too much. And I can only judge it from the people in our life who have hit that age. And you have a few relatives in that age or higher. And it's just like, I just don't know if they should be running an NFL team against people like who are in their 30s, like Ben Johnson.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  But then we get tricked, right? Because he's doing pushups with the special teams and training camp and he's chewing that gum faster than anybody's ever said, like, oh, man, maybe, maybe there's something in the gum. And, uh, but, but no, and the players like him. So you'd want to make an exception in his case, but you're right. It, sometimes it's too old.

• 38:57Bill Simmons?

  It's a tall task because it still seems like he's Pete Carroll, right? He looks young and spry, but man, they look really, really sloppy.

• 39:05Speaker 05

  I mean, this guy might be getting up at four in the morning and going to the facility every day. Like, you know, so what the hell do we know? But, uh, yeah, that, they're just no different. They're never any different.

• 39:17Bill Simmons?

  Well, the weird thing is Tennessee is definitely the worst team in the conference. Like, they're really, really terrible.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  Did not win me over. Was that on your list?

• 39:25Bill Simmons?

  I did not have them on the list. Jets, Miami, one of those teams, maybe terrible, maybe both. And we'll probably have a better idea after tomorrow. Cincinnati without Burrow might be terrible. Um, and then, you know, the Browns.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  You gotta hate the Saints and the Panthers.

• 39:44Bill Simmons?

  I'm just going AFC.

• 39:45Speaker 05

  Oh, sorry. Okay. Yeah.

• 39:47Bill Simmons?

  The Browns, who their quarterback is just two, three picks every week. They might be terrible.

• 39:55Bill Simmons?

  It's just a lot of terrible. So it's

• 39:56Speaker 05

  No surprises. Yeah.

• 39:58Bill Simmons?

  But yet, if you go to the NFC, it's only New Orleans and Carolina that I feel like are really bad. I don't think the Giants are bad.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Giants jumped out of there momentarily.

• 40:07Bill Simmons?

  Your team's not bad.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I don't know what other NFC. I guess the Bears aren't bad because they win, you know, against garbage teams like mine and, uh, and today, but

• 40:19Bill Simmons?

  Tennessee is really bad. And we talked about Callahan fire tire, tire, tire fires.

• 40:25Speaker 05

  The Tommy Boy Titans.

• 40:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the Tommy Boy Titans. Um, Cam Ward finally laid into them. Did, uh, did the Bears show you anything that you liked today? Cause they are two and two. I did watch a five minute Bears locker room handing out the game balls.

• 40:42Bill Simmons?

  Ben Johnson was like just doing a Sean McVay impersonation, gave one to, uh, gave one to, uh, the safety buyer. He gave one to, um, the guy who blocked the kick.

• 40:53Speaker 05

  Right.

• 40:53Bill Simmons?

  And it was like, it seemed like, I told you, we, he was doing that whole thing. And it was like, you guys, you should have lost. Like the Raiders, I don't know how they didn't win the game. Don't get too excited.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  He's gonna have to give one to the reporter who asked him, what are you gonna change? Did you see that? Female reporter?

• 41:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he got a little testy.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Get in trouble. Yeah. It kinda sucks because there's only one question you could ask a T, a coach that's losing, coming out of the locker room. And it's like, what are you gonna do different? But if you word it just differently and be like, you gotta, what are you gonna change? Come on. Like, come on. What's wrong with you? You could see these guys getting mad, but no game ball for her.

• 41:30Bill Simmons?

  She, she, she maybe should have audiballed and done like that. So what do you think of Las Vegas? Like, it's really changed, huh?

• 41:38Speaker 05

  Exactly. Are you a six to five? Will you leave the table if you don't see three to two blackjack? Cause, uh,

• 41:45Bill Simmons?

  Why do you take tourism's down? What would be your three takes? Um, I'm not sure about the Bears. I didn't think Caleb played particularly well. Their defense made a couple of plays, but I just, it was almost a case of the Raiders were just kinda worse. All right, next one. Did Drake maybe win you over? He was, he was great today.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  This is maybe though. This is why he's maybe, right? What he's gotta do it, go to Buffalo next week and do something similar. Then, because right now it's just, yeah, maybe. And I bet him over one and a half touchdowns today. I thought this was a, a nice.

• 42:19Bill Simmons?

  Maybe he's Drake definitely.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  Oh, come on. That doesn't even flow. Still Drake maybe. I know, I got a lot of shit for that.

• 42:27Bill Simmons?

  I can't wait to get, you got a lot of shit for that?

• 42:30Speaker 05

  Well, like, oh, look what he's doing. Who was it? J-Bog even on our chain is like, look.

• 42:34Bill Simmons?

  J-Bog was offended. Yeah, he didn't like that.

• 42:36Speaker 05

  All right, well.

• 42:36Bill Simmons?

  We all love Drake May. There's some good Drake May stats now about his, uh, his stats, three games in a row. And it's like, the only other QBs under 23, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Yeah, yeah, there, he's on some weird lists. But you know, when you can make these lists where you're like, only five other QBs have ever done this. But I mean, he's completing over 75% of his passes. He's, um, not turning the ball over that much. He only had one dumb play today. It didn't come back to haunt them. But the thing that I loved about him today, because you knew they were going to win once they went up 14-6. There was a couple of plays during the game. There was one play, there was a run out to the side. When last year he would have put his shoulder and tried to get the extra yard and ended up getting like concussed.

• 43:21Bill Simmons?

  And then there was another one on a scramble over the middle where he slid. But it's clear that they've just banged home. Don't take hits, don't take hits, don't take hits. So he was like way more cautious about how he, uh, how he put his body out there with, I thought he was, I thought he was excellent. With that said, Carolina's terrible. I mean, they're really awful.

• 43:40Speaker 05

  Say, if you were to create the perfect get right spot, wouldn't it be Carolina, playing Carolina at home? It was after, after they won a game, right?

• 43:49Bill Simmons?

  And the line was two points too low. The line should have been over seven, I think.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. I think this is a bigger game for Vrabel. I mean, I would have think Drake, Drake May, I'm not going to think he's terrible after this game, but Vrabel really had a, went, had this one.

• 44:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Well, here's the thing. They're going to Buffalo next week on a Sunday night. And they're playing a Buffalo team that the defense just looked awful. And they've had some injuries. They have two guys suspended that haven't come back yet. But, uh, New Orleans was moving the ball up and down the field on them. It was way more in that game than the final score showed. I had, I had a 13-point tease. With them that, uh, yeah, I was sweating out.

• 44:28Speaker 05

  I sweat that one out too. Yeah.

• 44:30Bill Simmons?

  But, um, but I, I just, I think they're gonna be able to move the ball on them next week. I can't wait to guess that line because I, there's like a four point cushion that I think that could go.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  Oh, would you take 40 40 tie next Sunday night? He would take a 40 40 tie.

• 44:46Bill Simmons?

  Would not want the ties.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  Oh, stop.

• 44:48Bill Simmons?

  Couple more win you overs really quick. Did, uh, did the Steelers win you over at all as a playoff team? Or do you think they're a rabbit team this year?

• 44:56Speaker 05

  I think just by default because all these other, oh, you just went over the AFC teams that are dropping out. But, um, yeah.

• 45:04Bill Simmons?

  They're three and one, so they could go six and eight and make the playoffs now. Or no, six and seven and make the playoffs.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  Tomlin streak seems to be intact, right? At this point, so, man.

• 45:16Bill Simmons?

  I mean, his clock management was some of the worst stuff of the season today.

• 45:20Speaker 05

  Right. Yeah, for sure.

• 45:22Bill Simmons?

  They're not going for it on fourth and one. And then taking a delay of game. It's like, wh- wh- what are you doing? Like, uh.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  What do you think they are to make the playoffs?

• 45:37Bill Simmons?

  Plus one ten?

• 45:38Speaker 05

  Take a sip of water if you need. Uh, minus one thirty. So they're favored now to be at least nine and eight or make.

• 45:46Bill Simmons?

  Did you go under on them this year? Cause I know I did.

• 45:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, but barely. I went, I went under. I thought this was a year it breaks.

• 45:54Bill Simmons?

  I gotta hand it to what they're getting out of Rogers.

• 45:57Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 45:58Bill Simmons?

  They're maximizing the three or four things he can do. And he looks way better than he did last year. And, uh, and he's just getting rid of the ball anytime he has pressure. But they have like eight, nine types of plays that they just do. And it's all quick and he's getting rid of the ball. He never, he's never on the move. And, uh, they know how to use it, but I think as the year goes long, I think people are gonna figure it out.

• 46:22Speaker 05

  He's jailing, yeah. He's jailing with Metcalf better than I thought he would, right?

• 46:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 05

  That's, you know, all these receivers that he made the Jets bring in and everything. You didn't see that spark. I, I kinda see it with Metcalf.

• 46:34Bill Simmons?

  It's funny. It reminds me a little of Tua. Where it's just a certain type of thing. And I think as to the longer he's been doing the Dolphins, teams are getting more and more used to it. And I just don't think they're used to it yet with Rogers. Ball's coming out super fast. And it's always to the sides or right over the middle. And he's never, it's just, he's playing so differently than he used to play.

• 46:58Bill Simmons?

  Here's the, here's what I learned. This is what won me over. Don't bet on the overseas game. Just don't. House told me this on Thursday. We do, we're doing it for Ringer 107 and House is like, I just want to point out, we're betting on the 930 game. And we've said, we're not going to do that. I'm like, all right, but I really love the Vikings.

• 47:17Speaker 05

  Right. Well, I had the Steelers, so I'm not gonna, not gonna subscribe to that just yet.

• 47:23Bill Simmons?

  The other guillotine league that I'm in, we had Kenneth Gainwell on our bench. We don't have good running backs and woke up at 6:30, just and you'd been proud of that. I woke up, turned on TV, there was 1455 left in the first quarter. I was like, I fucking nailed it. It was like 6:33. And then they're like, there's Kenneth Gainwell, the starting running back, because no Jalen Warren today. And I was like, ah, and I just wonder how many people got hosed on the Jalen Warren thing? Because I got hosed by not putting Gainwell on our stupid guillotine thing, but how many people just had Jalen Warren in a starting lineup and woke up and he's just not there?

• 47:59Speaker 05

  It's not good. It's not, yeah, that there wasn't enough heads up Saturday night for sure.

• 48:03Bill Simmons?

  No, it was Saturday night. All right. Next, when you over, did Ireland win you over as an NFL location?

• 48:12Speaker 05

  I don't know. I mean, we were doing the pregame show on YouTube. You should watch that. You should, you should definitely start watching.

• 48:20Bill Simmons?

  I 100% watched it. I had multiple TVs. I was watching.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  It is hard. We're up against a Ryder Cup and the NFL game, but, but so I didn't see a lot of the festivities. I'm gonna have to pass on that.

• 48:34Bill Simmons?

  Well, they did. So here's, here's what I really loved. Oh, I thought the crowd was loud and engaged. Their version of Sweet Caroline in Ireland is Zombie by The Cranberries.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 48:46Bill Simmons?

  The whole crowd sang Zombie. And then weirdly, after the Ryder Cup, they're in the bus, all the, all the, the foreign team. European team and they're singing Zombie on the bus to Rory McIlroy. Shane Lowry is leading it. This is like the biggest day Zombies had in 30 years.

• 49:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:03Bill Simmons?

  Huge Zombie day. Zombies like makes sense as like a, like a crowd side. I mean, it's, if you read the lyrics, it's pretty depressing. It's a weird one to sing.

• 49:13Speaker 05

  Yeah. And you got the

• 49:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. You got the crowd. Yeah.

• 49:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So they did a great job.

• 49:19Speaker 05

  It's better than Sweet Caroline. Yeah.

• 49:21Bill Simmons?

  The fantasy guys had a great time.

• 49:24Bill Simmons?

  Did Puka Nakua win you over as the new best wide receiver in the league? Cause I think it's official. I think he has the belt.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  Here's what I'll say about, was he at 42 receptions in four games or something?

• 49:36Bill Simmons?

  Forty-two for 503.

• 49:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:39Bill Simmons?

  Four games.

• 49:41Speaker 05

  I think, I used to think McCaffrey is the one guy, if he's not in the lineup, I don't want anything to do with betting that team. Now I think league wide, I think it's Puka Nakua. Like if he's out, I don't know that I, any situation that I'd bet the Rams. This guy is just such a, such a godsend for this team and Stafford, 42 receptions.

• 50:04Bill Simmons?

  You know what's crazy? It's all types of catches and plays. Like if you do like the montage of his, he'll beat somebody down the sideline. He'll have a crosser, he'll have a bubble screen. He'll have like a little 10 yarder in traffic. Like he, he's just amazing. I agree with you. I, what, what's cool about him versus Chaser Jefferson is you feel like those guys aren't going to be the same if they have the backup QB. And I think with Puka, I, I honestly feel like with any QB, he'd go for like eight for 90 at this point.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm with you.

• 50:35Bill Simmons?

  He's just a monster. He was awesome. That game was awesome. You mentioned the Mitchell thing before. The Colts pass defense is going to be their Achilles heel if they're going to actually make a playoff run. It's really bad. They give up an 88 yarder to lose the game basically. And, uh, and their fans will remember that one as the Mitchell game.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. Jaden Daniels, obviously a much better athlete than Danny Dimes at this point. But the, the teams, the last year's Washington team and this year's Colts, Washington didn't punt for like three weeks, right? Remember last year? And the Colts punted once in the first three games. And you just wonder when that's gonna end, you know? It was like, it just, uh, it had, they had to be slapped around, even though they should have won today.

• 51:18Bill Simmons?

  It was a, if you had the Colts, either money line or plus whatever, like that was a pretty tough beat because they hung, that was a 50 50 game. I thought that Taylor, when on the holding penalty where they run that guy, he's just so fucking fast. He's never looked better or faster. The Mitchell touchdown was awesome.

• 51:37Speaker 05

  Right.

• 51:38Bill Simmons?

  So you lose 14 points of plays. That just swings it.

• 51:41Speaker 05

  And a lot of big plays go against them. Yep.

• 51:44Bill Simmons?

  I will say I'm afraid of the Colts. Like I'm, I didn't really, I had the Rams like in a, like a, like a tease situation, but I didn't, I don't really like betting against the Colts. They kind of scare me. I think Warren's terrifying.

• 51:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. He's gonna score touchdowns from the backfield. It's not good.

• 52:03Bill Simmons?

  He's a monster. Um, last one, win you over. Did Jackson Dart win you over at all? And did you watch the game today with any Giants fans?

• 52:10Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They were losing their minds. Well, their, their takes was screaming at me for having the Chargers on a teaser, which I guess House and everybody warned us again. And then I doubled up on them in the second half. You didn't do that?

• 52:26Bill Simmons?

  No, I completely stayed away from the Chargers.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  Dart, neighbors is out, neighbors is out and Dart's banging his hand against the helmets. Not even one of the soft helmets. And then, you know, I was like, oh, man, they're down three. They're gonna win this game. But that defense was much better than we've seen in the past. And scataboo, I see a ton of scataboo jerseys out here, like just in Brooklyn. Like I think they like him more than like any prospect of Dart. I don't even think they care if he gets like 700 yards and five touchdowns. He's the guy.

• 52:58Bill Simmons?

  Well, that, I mean, the first 45 minutes of that game for the Giants fans, that was like the greatest. And then neighbors goes hurt.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a bummer.

• 53:09Bill Simmons?

  Losing young Beckham. And then losing young neighbors with season ending injuries fucking sucks.

• 53:16Speaker 05

  I hadn't thought of that.

• 53:17Bill Simmons?

  It's like completely unfair because they had both at these awesome points of their career where it just seemed like every time they're throwing it up to him, it felt like anything was possible. The Giants just, they've just had so much bad luck, but I do think Dart, even when he went out, he had this great scramble and they took him out for, I guess, the concussion spotter. And fucking Russ came in. Crowd was like, oh no.

• 53:44Bill Simmons?

  Russ, like they, they just have to waive him, but uh, no, it seems like they nailed the pick.

• 53:49Speaker 05

  Must be like, what? I gotta put Russ in now. Shit, I'm never going to be able to figure out this quarterback gauntlet. I'm going to be jobless.

• 53:57Bill Simmons?

  I'm right here, right here.

• 54:00Bill Simmons?

  That draft though, because Carter was awesome today. They had 20 pressures of the Chargers, but that, that's a different conversation is the Chargers O-line all got hurt, which was the biggest injury that happened today. They're the neighbors. He's out for a few weeks. It seems like they already lost.

• 54:15Speaker 05

  It's an ankle injury. They said a few weeks already?

• 54:18Bill Simmons?

  They said they were worried that it was going to be at least a couple of weeks. So who knows?

• 54:23Bill Simmons?

  But you know, that maybe that's the team. One of these teams Colts, Chargers, not one of these three and O teams wound up not making the playoffs. I'm like, oh. It was three and O.

• 54:35Speaker 05

  I just, we can't give them the division just yet. Like we, like a lot of people were with the Chargers last week.

• 54:44Bill Simmons?

  All right. Some, just some random questions from some of the other games. Philly, who died in the heat and you could feel that one coming. That was a great second half bet. They kept talking about the heat. They kept talking about how the Eagles bench was baking in the sun. And it's like, and then, you know, they're cutting over, the guys are dying. But so Baker almost came back, but they just didn't have enough weapons. But Chase McLaughlin made a 65 yard field goal today in that camp.

• 55:13Bill Simmons?

  What distance would actually impress you at this point with a field goal? Because 20 years ago, like I went to see the Broncos play in the late 90s with our buddy Gus. And we saw Elam kick a 63 yarder. And it was in altitude, but it was like that. We just couldn't believe it. It was like the fucking moon landing. Just couldn't, couldn't believe how far it was. And now this is, so how far is it over 70 for you? That would get your attention? What's the number? 72?

• 55:42Speaker 05

  That was the outdoor record, right? Today 65 was the outdoor record. And you're right. Like we just moved on to the next one.

• 55:49Bill Simmons?

  It just wasn't a Like wouldn't even be in the top 40 minutes of the SportsCenter. 70 with 70?

• 55:58Speaker 05

  I remember when Janikowski would do this, right? And you were like, oh, maybe they should take a false start. They're not winning any games this year. Anyway, maybe they should take a false start right before the half and he should kick it from, let him break the record. I think 70, 71 or 72. I think we're in the Barry Bonds range here. It's gotta be like

• 56:16Bill Simmons?

  Aubrey will have a 70 at one point, right?

• 56:20Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 56:21Bill Simmons?

  I just, I don't understand. I don't understand how this, I know they did something with the balls, right? They did, you can massage your own balls and put weird

• 56:29Speaker 05

  Whoa, hey, yeah, no, it seems like it for sure. You could tush push, you can massage your balls, you can do it all.

• 56:36Bill Simmons?

  Here's another one.

• 56:39Bill Simmons?

  The, so Bijon had a 69 yard catch today. And they made a big deal about how he was 21.85 miles an hour on the run. And then that Steelers linebacker caught Addison from behind and they were like, oh, he was 21.3. When did this start and where, and how, how could it end? When can this stop?

• 57:00Speaker 05

  Oh, you don't like it? You don't like the

• 57:02Bill Simmons?

  I do not. I don't mean to be, you know, a fart in church on this, but the difference between 20 miles an hour and 21 miles an hour, like I, is, I'm going to be telling my grandkids about, oh, he got to 22.

• 57:15Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 57:16Bill Simmons?

  Who cares?

• 57:17Speaker 05

  You like it in your car though, right? You like the odometer? You like being able to tell how fast you're going?

• 57:23Bill Simmons?

  If I'm going 21 miles an hour in my car, I'm fucking pissed. Somebody's, there's some old lady in front of me.

• 57:29Speaker 05

  I thought it was cool with the Eagles blocking the kick. I didn't think it was cool because I lost money on it with the Rams, but the fact that they clocked that guy at 19. So for 300 pounders running 19, yeah, but you're right. Otherwise, I don't know the difference between 20 and 21.

• 57:44Bill Simmons?

  20, 20, just when you're driving around the next couple of days in Uber, just like, oh, 36. Oh, now we're going 37. Like they, these numbers are all around the same.

• 57:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:56Bill Simmons?

  Like if somebody was going 25, I'd be like, hold, Bijon Robinson ran 25 miles an hour. That's amazing. But it seems like it's all in the 21, 22. I don't know. Maybe I'm too old.

• 58:05Speaker 05

  I think we have to be, I don't know, like what an ostrich runs. I want to compare it to animals. I think then maybe we'd be more, more impressed, you know?

• 58:13Bill Simmons?

  Like, oh, like show like a bobcat?

• 58:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, like a cheetah or a bobcat. I want to see like.

• 58:17Bill Simmons?

  Like a black bear?

• 58:18Speaker 05

  They call Tyreek the cheetah, right? But it's a, cheetah's probably a lot faster, isn't it?

• 58:25Bill Simmons?

  I would assume. I think a cheetah is like 50 miles an hour.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:28Bill Simmons?

  Well, I, I mean, so they do the miles an hour thing, but heat is more interesting to me because they were like, it's 90, but it's really a hundred degrees on the field. It's like, well, how hot is it exactly on the field? And what like, that's where instead of like Mike Pereira, let's go to like some sort of scientist and be like, okay. Jordan Davis is 330 pounds. It's a hundred degrees outside. So the odds of him being dehydrated in two hours is actually like 90%. What they're going to have to do is give him oxygen. Like now I'm actually learning something.

• 59:01Speaker 05

  I like that.

• 59:02Bill Simmons?

  You're telling me difference between this guy runs 22 miles an hour and this guy runs 21 and a half. Like, great. What do I care?

• 59:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. Bill Simmons water is 108 degrees. If he throws a lemon in there, it goes down.

• 59:15Bill Simmons?

  See, I'm drinking hot water and I have a lot of energy for the pod. Maybe I know something.

• 59:21Bill Simmons?

  More Washington Falcons notes. I won the, I won money on the Falcons and their offense looked great. They scored zero points last week. They had 435 yards this week. Washington is banged up. I think Penix is the new Gino because I feel like we're about to lose Gino. Feels like we're the end of Gino's career.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  We've lost Gino.

• 59:39Bill Simmons?

  Gino's gone, but I think Penix is going to be the new Gino. We're game to game. It's just going to be like fucking, it's like when we go to Bianco's and he's like, I've created a new pizza. I'm just going to bring it out. It's like, anything's possible. Oh, this is like your olive artichoke pizza. I don't know if I like this. Oh my God. He did pepperoni and sun dried tomatoes and I just think that's Penix. I think that's

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  I bet on Bianco much faster than I do Penix. I mean, I had it today too.

• 1:00:07Bill Simmons?

  I don't blame you.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  This is the most effed up team, maybe even for years now, right? Like they, but all right, the first game was legit. They, the kicker missed a field goal and we're used to that, right? They lost to Tampa Bay. Then they beat up Minnesota on the, the night game, the Sunday night, shut out by Carolina. You just get a completely different team every week.

• 1:00:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. You just have to assume they're the zigzag team.

• 1:00:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Speaker 05

  They should call them the Pitts because it's like the drama of when to start Kyle Pitts. It's the new drama. The, the Pitts scored a touchdown.

• 1:00:40Bill Simmons?

  He's been doing stuff this season.

• 1:00:42Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:00:42Bill Simmons?

  Well, the funniest thing with the Falcons is Washington scores to cut it to seven. Falcons come back down and now they're in the mode where it's like, they could either go for the kill, get a touchdown or probably settle and take it easy, kick a field goal. It's like three minutes left, less. So they play it easy and they're playing for a field goal. And because it's the Falcons, you just assume something horrible is going to happen. And I was trying to think of any other team, maybe the Chargers in the AFC is like that because they have that juju too. But just like, I was just like, oh, this is definitely getting blocked. This is going to be a tie game. Like you just go to, your mind with the Falcons goes to the worst case at all times. This time they kicked the field goal, they won. But weren't you thinking the same thing? It's like, oh, it's the Falcons. They're going to fuck this up.

• 1:01:25Speaker 05

  And they also look so much faster. I know you don't like speed or anything, but don't they look faster at home on their turf? Like I'd see Bijon and I see London. I'm like, these guys should be scoring every single game. Instead they settle for field goals and with guys they cut two weeks later.

• 1:01:39Bill Simmons?

  I wish we knew how fast each guy was going.

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  You hate that. It's going to be a Madden rating soon enough.

• 1:01:44Bill Simmons?

  Could Darnell Mooney get to 20 miles an hour? I'm on the edge of my seat. Tell me later. A couple more quick things. Flacco is six picks. The Browns are pretty boring to watch offensively, even though they have some decent weapons because that Judkins guy might actually be good. Can, can they just make Shador the starter for content? Like, do that for us?

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:06Bill Simmons?

  We all need it. The TV, the daily TV shows need it. The podcasts need it.

• 1:02:10Speaker 05

  Well, yeah.

• 1:02:10Bill Simmons?

  It gives like anecdotally, we have stuff like just, just do it.

• 1:02:15Speaker 05

  I have to see how fast they run first. No, I think you're right. Yeah, for sure.

• 1:02:18Bill Simmons?

  Can you get to like 19 miles an hour?

• 1:02:21Speaker 05

  If you could get to 19 miles an hour, we'll give you the ball. You get the game ball.

• 1:02:25Bill Simmons?

  He should race Joe Flacco.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  Flacco was weird because his first two starts, he dropped back like 90 times, right? Like, oh, we're going to see like a poor man's Baker Mayfield here, right? And maybe it'll work and maybe it won't. But yeah, well, if they're not scoring in Detroit or against these other teams, it's, it's not good.

• 1:02:43Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's the other thing with the miles an hour. They never do it for the slow guys.

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:02:48Bill Simmons?

  Like Flacco chasing down somebody interceptions like Flacco 13 miles an hour. Pretty rough.

• 1:02:53Speaker 05

  That would be funny. They gotta do that.

• 1:02:55Bill Simmons?

  People in their 80s do that. Uh, yeah. Oh, Pat's Panthers is my last thing for you. So remember we did this? We've done this the last couple of years where we tried to figure out what's going to be the weirdest result of the season.

• 1:03:11Bill Simmons?

  Like at the end of the year, when we're like, what happened that? What was that? I think it might be Panthers 30 Falcons 0. I think is going to go down as the weirdest game, right?

• 1:03:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think so too. Right.

• 1:03:22Bill Simmons?

  It's a weird tough one to beat.

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  The Panthers will end up with what? Four or five wins and the Falcons should be around seven or eight or nine, you know? Yeah, I think you're right.

• 1:03:31Bill Simmons?

  I bet. The Panthers, I think it's going to be less than that. The other one was who did that? The Browns 13, Packers 10 might be up there too. We should keep track of this.

• 1:03:40Speaker 05

  I don't know. Yeah, that's the last time the Packers didn't give up 50 points. Maybe.

• 1:03:46Bill Simmons?

  Who do you like in Dolphins, Jets and Broncos, Bengals, or?

• 1:03:50Speaker 05

  You know, I have a. I let the bundle pick for our ring of 107. So we have the Bengals plus the points, but I'd be lying to you if I didn't have Denver on money, a couple of money line parlays to close out. Right. And then the other one, I really don't know. I'm really not sure what the, this is a, this spells, someone could get fired. Maybe not.

• 1:04:12Bill Simmons?

  That's a Bianco mystery pizza game.

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  Someone's getting demoted and a pizza slapped in their face from this game.

• 1:04:21Bill Simmons?

  Remember when Bianco brought out that market pizza and it was like the greatest thing either of us ever eaten. We were just like, I forgot. It was like all these vegetables on it. And it was like, we were just like, oh, it was like descended from the gods. I don't think Dolphins Jets is going to be like that. All right. We're going to take, we're going to take a break and then we're going to get guess the lines. Then we have to a couple of other things too. This episode is brought to you by Carhartt. We spend a lot of time talking about football, the players, the coaches, the big plays, but there's a whole other team we rarely think about, the people who make the game possible, the workers building stadiums, paving parking lots, growing the grass, welding the goalposts, even making the footballs. They're committed to their craft and they're doing the work long before kickoff. Carhartt is proud to

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• 1:05:47Bill Simmons?

  Incorporated. PNC Bank, National Association Member, FDIC. All right, guess the lines. Bi weeks, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Chicago, Green Bay. We're finally at the bye week. You're already getting sad that the season's almost over. We're only four weeks in.

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, a little bit. They don't need buys. Come on, everybody play every week for 12 months.

• 1:06:06Bill Simmons?

  Well, the problem with this one is we're losing a couple of entertaining teams this week.

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Bill Simmons?

  You can feel it in the, in the lineup. So Thursday night, Rams Niners. Good Thursday night game.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  That is a good one.

• 1:06:20Bill Simmons?

  In Los Angeles.

• 1:06:24Bill Simmons?

  And I had the Rams by three.

• 1:06:26Speaker 05

  So this is two NFC West in a row on a Thursday night. You have, you're gonna get this. I had two and a half. I believe it's three and a half unless it changed. It's three and a half.

• 1:06:39Bill Simmons?

  We should mention you won the first two weeks. I won the next two weeks.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  I know. You're gonna win this week. I'm so off. I think so. My miles per hour way down this week.

• 1:06:50Bill Simmons?

  Probably the pizza.

• 1:06:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Bill Simmons?

  How much pizza have you had in Brooklyn? How many days have you been there?

• 1:06:56Speaker 05

  Got here Friday night. There's a place a half mile away that's excellent and they're open till 1 a.m. So that's bad for me. Then went to Grimaldi's yesterday and then walking back, our friend Tony says, holy shit, there's an L and B right across the street from Grimaldi's. So we did the bang bang. And so, yeah, it's a lot. And so then I had another slice this morning. Yeah, it's not good. You may not see me again. This could be it.

• 1:07:25Bill Simmons?

  Hey, there's a London game.

• 1:07:28Bill Simmons?

  The Vikings, they, they, they, they lost to Pittsburgh and they were told, you can't leave now. You have to stay. We're taking your passports and they're playing the Cleveland Browns, who can't really move the ball offensively.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:07:44Bill Simmons?

  But I think Carson Wentz is probably playing again. This is either three or three and a half. I went back and forth. I did Vikings minus three.

• 1:07:52Speaker 05

  All right. I got it. Exact. I hit it. Three and a half is the answer.

• 1:07:57Speaker 05

  It went down from four and a half, actually.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  This is rough. This is a rough one.

• 1:08:03Bill Simmons?

  Defense is good. Like the Browns defense, if it's Carson Wentz again with all those guys, if, if the center is missing and the right tackle is missing on the Vikings D, that's gonna be a lot of trouble for them because that Browns front four is, is beastie.

• 1:08:16Speaker 05

  It's tough on the West Coast waking up for two bad quarterbacks, isn't it? Like if it's gonna be Wentz and Flacco again.

• 1:08:24Bill Simmons?

  That's why you gotta do, this is when you do Shador this week.

• 1:08:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Bill Simmons?

  Or even Dylan Gabriel. We could be like, oh, look how short he is. Sunday marquee.

• 1:08:36Bill Simmons?

  I have Seahawks Bucks as the best Sunday game.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  It's good.

• 1:08:43Bill Simmons?

  It's a good game. Here's the case. Every game the Bucks play, it goes down to the final three minutes. Baker's really fun. Ibuka always makes fun play. I think Bucky Irving is a top five running back now, right?

• 1:08:56Speaker 05

  Tremendous. So it's such a great burst for him.

• 1:08:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's fucking incredible. And I like watching the Seahawks defense. I'm gonna put, this is in Seattle. I'm gonna say Seattle minus one and a half.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  Oh, it's Seattle minus three. And what did I have? You moved it on me.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  Oh, I had one and a half also. So we tie.

• 1:09:19Bill Simmons?

  So it's Seattle minus three?

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  Seattle minus three. Yep.

• 1:09:25Bill Simmons?

  So Seattle's finally getting some respect.

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, I guess it's a long, it's a shorter, longer rest for them, right? Tampa Bay still injuries. They are unbelievable. They had two, how long were the, both their touchdowns? Ibuka and like so long. And then two of the longest field goals we've ever seen. And they were right back in that game. I was like, kind of getting mad. I had the Eagles.

• 1:09:47Bill Simmons?

  We both loved Ibuka. It was the only player prop bet I made was, is over. And it was like 680 yards or something. I think he'll probably have that by mid-October.

• 1:09:57Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:09:59Bill Simmons?

  Two watchables, not a good sign for us for Sunday. Eagles Broncos in Philadelphia. I mean, honestly, the Eagles might be banned from the watchables category if.

• 1:10:14Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:10:14Bill Simmons?

  If they don't get their shit together. You can't have a game where you have zero completions in the second half.

• 1:10:19Speaker 05

  They're four and oh.

• 1:10:20Bill Simmons?

  Their fans are just furious constantly. And it's like, they have to have the game get to where there's a, somebody has a 17-point lead before they're interested in whatever the proceedings are.

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  Can I make a, this is gonna sound like bitter sal and it really, really is. There's no way, other way to describe it. If you're going for the tush push, you should have to declare you're going for the tush push. It shouldn't be an option that you could flip it back to the tailback who has nothing but daylight and runs it in. Like, it should be like the onside kick. We're gonna get, let this lunacy fly. I didn't like that.

• 1:10:54Bill Simmons?

  I like it.

• 1:10:56Bill Simmons?

  Well, this line could move depending on how the Broncos look tomorrow night, but for the short term, it's in Philadelphia and I have Eagles by four.

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  Um, we split it. I said five. It's four and a half.

• 1:11:08Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  Come on, Denver. Play tough. Play tough here.

• 1:11:13Bill Simmons?

  Pretty important Bo Nix game tomorrow night.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:17Bill Simmons?

  Cause if he sucks again,

• 1:11:20Bill Simmons?

  that's an entire month of him sucking. And then going into this Philly game.

• 1:11:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, right.

• 1:11:26Bill Simmons?

  The stat that he, what was he 35 out of 36 for the graded quarterbacks? Yeah, not great. The only other watchable game I have, which might not be watchable of Mariota's, the QB is Chargers, Washington in LA.

• 1:11:40Bill Simmons?

  And I have the Chargers favored by three and a half because I assume he was just playing.

• 1:11:44Speaker 05

  I went way high. I said five. I didn't even think about the Daniels thing. In my mind, he's out another week, but I guess he was almost ready Wednesday. You get it. It's three Chargers by three.

• 1:11:57Bill Simmons?

  This will be a nice little test for how many Chargers, like our, our theory that the Chargers crowds are getting better.

• 1:12:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Bill Simmons?

  Because Washington, old school NFC team, there's a lot of transplants here. I'll be interested to see what the breakdown is, but I've been impressed by the Chargers fan base.

• 1:12:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, they could step up even further this week.

• 1:12:17Bill Simmons?

  Fairly watchables. I had to put Colts Raiders in here because you just know that game's going to be absolutely unhinged. I'm prepared for anything.

• 1:12:29Bill Simmons?

  I had put this in the, had to put in the Vegas zone Colts, five and a half.

• 1:12:33Speaker 05

  I said four and a half. It's six and a half. So you'll get that one.

• 1:12:38Speaker 05

  Ah, I don't know. I know we buried Gino here, but could you see this stupid shit here?

• 1:12:45Bill Simmons?

  I think this is where he needs to be. Getting almost a touchdown on the road is when he finally gets his sea legs.

• 1:12:52Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:12:53Bill Simmons?

  He doesn't like these games where they're either favored or they're minus one and a half. He needs to be like a dog.

• 1:12:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:59Bill Simmons?

  I think this is a let's be careful. Do not put the Colts in a tease game would be my recommendation.

• 1:13:03Speaker 05

  I'm with you. I'm gonna, I hope I, I hope I stick to that.

• 1:13:08Speaker 05

  I think, you know, maybe Crosby like plants Danny Dimes, Indiana Jones. What do we want to call him now? Couple times.

• 1:13:17Bill Simmons?

  Maybe he's like South Indiana Jones.

• 1:13:21Bill Simmons?

  Ravens home for the Texans with a bunch of injuries on the Ravens side. And Houston's defense threw a shutout today. Now, you you said that counts in our league. I didn't see points for it because I had the Houston.

• 1:13:36Speaker 05

  Well, you start with 13 points and if it so what you want a bonus also for getting a we we're playing each other in fantasy.

• 1:13:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I should get a bonus.

• 1:13:44Speaker 05

  You give up zero points.

• 1:13:45Bill Simmons?

  If my defense gets a shutout, I should get more points.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  Not against the Titans. That's not a that's hardly even.

• 1:13:49Bill Simmons?

  There's like 10 shutouts. Is there five shutouts a year? How many shutouts?

• 1:13:53Speaker 05

  How many bonus points do you want?

• 1:13:55Bill Simmons?

  I think it should be like four points.

• 1:13:56Speaker 05

  Oh, it's a close game too. We have a close game.

• 1:13:59Bill Simmons?

  What do we have tomorrow?

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  I think you're gonna win anyway.

• 1:14:02Bill Simmons?

  I have Tyree Kill and you have two people.

• 1:14:04Speaker 05

  I have uh do have two people. Um. Sorry, let me pull it up here.

• 1:14:11Bill Simmons?

  Riveting content for the this is almost as can you do this as we figure out how you how fast you run?

• 1:14:17Speaker 05

  All right, you're up 11. You're gonna win. How am I favored here? You're up 11. You have Tyree Kill. I have HN and Garrett Wilson.

• 1:14:25Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:14:26Speaker 05

  You're gonna win. Oh, Dale.

• 1:14:28Bill Simmons?

  You're favored?

• 1:14:29Speaker 05

  I'm favored. They have HN projected for 16 points. That's stupid. Stop it, CBS.

• 1:14:36Bill Simmons?

  Ravens Texans in Baltimore have Ravens minus four.

• 1:14:40Speaker 05

  Wait, what did we say? Oh, oh, Ravens minus four. Okay. Yeah, I said five and a half. It's seven.

• 1:14:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:14:48Bill Simmons?

  I don't agree with that at all.

• 1:14:50Speaker 05

  Well, now it's a must win. Shit, they're both one and three, huh?

• 1:14:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but the Texans have a good defense, though. Like, as ugly as their offense is, their defense can hang around. Last one is Lions Bengals. It's in Detroit.

• 1:15:07Bill Simmons?

  And I think I think they add the half point on this. I was gonna say seven. But I think they bump it. I think it's seven and a half Detroit.

• 1:15:14Speaker 05

  I was way, way off on this. Um, it's eight and a half. I said, uh, I said five and a half. So you you said seven. Yeah, you got it.

• 1:15:28Bill Simmons?

  Four perfect the games.

• 1:15:30Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:15:32Bill Simmons?

  Giants at Saints with no neighbors. It's a bad one. And yet I think it'll, I might make a multi view for me. Has anyone planted their flag on the Saints are fun corner? Cause they were fun in this Buffalo game.

• 1:15:46Speaker 05

  That's all you. You could have that one. You know, I thought that too. I mean, you said they went up and down the field. How many passing yards you think, uh, Rattler had?

• 1:15:54Bill Simmons?

  Is it, was it an optical illusion? What was it?

• 1:15:57Speaker 05

  126, 126 and they were playing catch up the whole time.

• 1:16:01Bill Simmons?

  How many did they rush for?

• 1:16:03Speaker 05

  I don't know. I think Kamara had a decent day, but to, to say that like Rattler, I don't, I don't, I don't get the team that I'm watching there.

• 1:16:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I mean, in my defense, I'm watching six TVs at once and every time I looked on the right TV, it seemed like they were moving the ball.

• 1:16:17Speaker 05

  They were getting closer. Yeah.

• 1:16:19Bill Simmons?

  Jets, Cowboys.

• 1:16:21Speaker 05

  Well, we don't think we did the, the Giants.

• 1:16:23Bill Simmons?

  Giants, Saints. I have Giants, one and a half.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  Oh, jerk. Son of a bitch. I had Giants by two. It is one and a half. It is that tic tac.

• 1:16:31Bill Simmons?

  Tic tac.

• 1:16:33Speaker 05

  Well, this, uh, if they're gonna win one game, the Saints, this has gotta be it, isn't it?

• 1:16:39Bill Simmons?

  This should be one of the ones you have circled.

• 1:16:41Speaker 05

  I don't think they're favored in any other game. Not that they're favored in this one, but this has gotta be the closest.

• 1:16:47Bill Simmons?

  Giants pass rush, scat about. Has, has Dan Reschek tried to pronounce his name yet?

• 1:16:52Speaker 05

  Scat it bow.

• 1:16:54Bill Simmons?

  Scat it bow. And then, uh, and, and a Jackson dart scramble. I think that's enough for the Giants.

• 1:17:00Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:17:01Bill Simmons?

  I wouldn't bet that game. Jets home for the Cowboys. Wow. I, so I, I'll keep my guess. Man, I don't know if the Cowboys tonight swung it, but I had Jets minus one and a half.

• 1:17:13Speaker 05

  No, I think you're, yeah. I had Cowboys minus one and a half. It's, uh, it's two and a half.

• 1:17:20Bill Simmons?

  Cowboys favorite. Yeah.

• 1:17:21Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:17:23Bill Simmons?

  I should've, I should've changed that, but I was trying to keep what I had before. Cowboys, two and a half.

• 1:17:29Speaker 05

  Wow. We tied that game. I was just thinking, I was just about to go through my, we lost, we're coming off a loss, but we tied. We actually tied that game tonight. Holy shit.

• 1:17:39Bill Simmons?

  It was like a moral victory for Jerry. This is another poop fact. The game Dolphins, Panthers in Carolina.

• 1:17:48Bill Simmons?

  Um.

• 1:17:50Bill Simmons?

  I think the Dolphins have to be favored by three and that's where I landed.

• 1:17:54Speaker 05

  That's exactly what I have and I'm looking.

• 1:17:58Speaker 05

  Favored by one and a half.

• 1:18:01Speaker 05

  Oh, how the Miamis have fallen. That's, that is brutal. That's the worst team in the league and they're favored by one and a half over them.

• 1:18:10Bill Simmons?

  McMillan was open a lot against the Pats today and Bryce did not find him that often. And he was starting to get that Larry Fitzgerald late, early 2010s body language.

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:18:23Bill Simmons?

  Remember when Fitzgerald had bad quarterbacks for like five years in a row?

• 1:18:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Bill Simmons?

  He'd just be open and then the ball would like sail that way. There's a couple of those of McMillan today and he was like, oh my God, really? Last poop fact, the Cards Titans in Arizona. And amazingly, this has to go over seven. And I think it, I think it has to be seven and a half for Arizona.

• 1:18:44Speaker 05

  Man, I was way off on this. I said five and a half. I was not impressed with Arizona. It's nine and a half.

• 1:18:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think, I think that's the price for the Titans.

• 1:18:54Speaker 05

  Jeez.

• 1:18:55Bill Simmons?

  That's too high though. Arizona should not be favored by that many against anybody.

• 1:19:00Speaker 05

  That's unbelievable. I mean, it's just they don't trust the kid on the road. Is that it? I mean, Kyler was not impressive for two hours and 20 minutes of that game.

• 1:19:11Bill Simmons?

  I saw there was something on, online about Ryan Clark five years ago was arguing about Kyler Murray versus Lamar Jackson.

• 1:19:20Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 1:19:20Bill Simmons?

  And he was like way in on Kyler Murray and he was like, let me tell you something. Kyler Murray will win a Super Bowl before Lamar Jackson. Mark my words. And was all in and I was thinking like, that's a bad one to have, but we all have those.

• 1:19:32Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:19:33Bill Simmons?

  Those ones where it's like, what? And it's like, oh my God, I can't put, what's your worst one? Cause that's gotta be his worst one.

• 1:19:41Speaker 05

  Uh, you know, I said, uh, Bill is too manly to ever drink hot water with a lemon. And now I look freaking foolish.

• 1:19:51Speaker 05

  I don't know. That's a good question. Just like you're saying, a player is gonna be great. And he didn't turn out.

• 1:19:56Bill Simmons?

  Cause I have some bad ones in print.

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  I guess we could just go to Reddit. We could just go to Reddit and find out.

• 1:20:02Bill Simmons?

  I was trying to think what's my single worst one, but I think it, I think since I've been on video. I think it's James Wiseman that that was a great, a great pick for the Warriors and really liking that pick.

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:20:15Bill Simmons?

  I think that might be my single worst one.

• 1:20:17Speaker 05

  It might be a basketball. Yeah, it'll have to be a basketball one. You have.

• 1:20:19Bill Simmons?

  This would be a great podcast where each, each episode, somebody just comes in and they go over their, their most regrettable take they've ever had.

• 1:20:27Speaker 05

  Right, right. I like that. Did James Wiseman win you over? My James Wiseman pick?

• 1:20:32Bill Simmons?

  I had a borderline talking about Mac Jones, but I didn't really.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  I was gonna say that for you.

• 1:20:37Bill Simmons?

  Come out and say it. That I thought he was like a, that I was like skirting like that he was a possible MVP candidate if they were good, but we always say that anytime we think.

• 1:20:47Speaker 05

  You didn't buy the jersey. You didn't, you didn't buy the jersey. So you held back. So that was good.

• 1:20:51Bill Simmons?

  Wiseman, I think is my least favorite one.

• 1:20:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. I have to think of mine.

• 1:20:56Bill Simmons?

  All time I've had some worse though, in the, in the column.

• 1:20:59Speaker 05

  Would it be basketball? Would most of them be basketball?

• 1:21:02Bill Simmons?

  Basketball, like draft ones. There was a Dame Lillard, Austin Rivers one that was pretty bad, but they should take an Austin Rivers. There was like a,

• 1:21:12Bill Simmons?

  there was an Ameck Okafor versus Dwight Howard. I think I took team Okafor.

• 1:21:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's all right. We, we talk a lot about this.

• 1:21:19Bill Simmons?

  We're talking about a thousand.

• 1:21:21Speaker 05

  Well, it's like saying I never had a bad meal. What was the worst meal you ever had? Like, oh, yeah. Yeah. You gotta, you have to eat. It's gonna happen.

• 1:21:30Bill Simmons?

  Sunday night. Bills Patriots in Buffalo.

• 1:21:34Speaker 05

  Let's do it.

• 1:21:35Bill Simmons?

  Let's fucking go. I really think the Pats can hang in this game.

• 1:21:40Bill Simmons?

  I think they're gonna jack the line. I think this is gonna be Bills minus eight and a half.

• 1:21:44Speaker 05

  Wow. Look at you go. Bills minus eight and a half is right. I said seven.

• 1:21:51Speaker 05

  I thought they put it in that good, you know, decent difference between division foes, but had to be seven, but eight and a half is, that's up there.

• 1:22:04Speaker 05

  You think it's fair?

• 1:22:06Bill Simmons?

  No, I think, I don't think the Bills, I think that's a lot of like, uh, people that haven't watched the two teams the last couple of weeks. Pats have a good special teams. Pats can block. Pat's defense is okay. I didn't like how open McMillan was, but you know, you're on a Sunday night against Josh Allen. It's a pretty tall task, but I think they can hang around in that game. Could shit more because of the Bills. Like, think about Bills opening week against Baltimore. Well, Baltimore's one and three, and then go through all Detroit, like they couldn't stop them. I don't think their defense can, you know, I just don't think.

• 1:22:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe not. I don't want to read into this one too much. Maybe the Saints is tough to get up for.

• 1:22:46Bill Simmons?

  Cook is, uh, Cook's turned into a monster too. I don't, I wouldn't have him top five, but probably top seven, top eight range for running backs.

• 1:22:54Speaker 05

  He's fun. He moves the chains. There's no more chains anymore, but he moves them.

• 1:22:58Bill Simmons?

  You think he can get to 21 miles an hour? I haven't checked.

• 1:23:02Speaker 05

  Have to see.

• 1:23:03Bill Simmons?

  Can he, does he have like a 21 and a half in him maybe?

• 1:23:06Speaker 05

  That tush push for Hertz was only a point four miles an hour. What fun football.

• 1:23:13Bill Simmons?

  Monday night, really good game. Probably the best game of the, uh, Sunday, Monday Chiefs at Jags. Nice little tester for the Jags. Three and one, Chiefs two and two. The Chiefs are obviously going to be favored and I put this in the Tic Tac Zone. The Chiefs minus one and a half.

• 1:23:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I said three and a half. It is three.

• 1:23:32Bill Simmons?

  Ooh, you win that one.

• 1:23:33Speaker 05

  Um, you won the week though. That was seven for me and like 10 for you. Three in a row. Not good.

• 1:23:42Bill Simmons?

  Chiefs minus three. That's a little high.

• 1:23:45Speaker 05

  We're gonna take Jacksonville on a teaser?

• 1:23:48Bill Simmons?

  That's, I'm just saying, that's a little high.

• 1:23:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's reactionary for sure.

• 1:23:53Bill Simmons?

  Interesting that the Chiefs were plus two and a half against Baltimore.

• 1:23:59Bill Simmons?

  At home, but now they're minus three at Jacksonville.

• 1:24:04Bill Simmons?

  But I don't think Baltimore is better than Jacksonville right now, do you?

• 1:24:07Speaker 05

  Right. No, I don't. I will say if they're thriving with the turnover Jacksonville. Mahomes is a little smarter and I know some of these could be freak turnovers, but Mahomes is a little smarter and more careful. You don't see him knocking free three.

• 1:24:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you bet the Jags and then at some point you realize you bet Trevor Lawrence over Patrick Mahomes.

• 1:24:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, right.

• 1:24:30Bill Simmons?

  And you feel really stupid. Yeah.

• 1:24:33Speaker 05

  All right. So stay away.

• 1:24:34Bill Simmons?

  All right.

• 1:24:36Bill Simmons?

  Let's take one more break and then we got to talk about baseball and Ryder Cup and Brooklyn quick. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech. Whether it's a pumpkin spice coffee that goes splat in your seat or a weekend tailgate that leaves your trunk full of gear and who knows what? You're going to want WeatherTech in your vehicle. Whether you call it fall, autumn or spooky season. Whether the mess is your fault, the kids, the dogs or the weather's fault. You're going to want WeatherTech for American made floor liners and a cargo liner that laugh in the face of fall weather. Visit weatherTech.com today. This episode is brought to you by Expedia. You know how at the end of the season, your team goes to Cancun? Sometimes earlier than expected, sometimes after blowing a three one series lead, but what if you went to Cancun? With Expedia, save up to 30% when you bundle and save. You can book the flight or the hotel now, then book the rest later.

• 1:25:21Bill Simmons?

  In all fairness though, hopefully your team doesn't go to Cancun. One, two, three Cancun. Or if they do, you go with them. Expedia, the one place you go to go places. Sign in to save. Savings vary. All right, baseball. So the murder of the Mets season.

• 1:25:39Bill Simmons?

  They were just, it was like while you were sleeping and the Mets were just Peter Gallagher waiting to wake up. And the Mets fans were going there every day to go see him and then the Mets just died.

• 1:25:50Speaker 05

  I didn't see it.

• 1:25:51Bill Simmons?

  There was no happy ending.

• 1:25:52Speaker 05

  Not watching it. Yeah. It sucked. I mean, just the way it all went down. You let the Marlins beat you and shut you out. And they take a team picture like they just won the NLCS. Like it was disgusting. It's not how I thought it would go. I thought we would blow out the Marlins today. And the Reds would win in the last inning, you know, and then the Cowboys would get killed and that would be my day, but.

• 1:26:14Bill Simmons?

  The Mets lost and the Cowboys tied.

• 1:26:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, right. I wonder what that would have paid. I mean, they were almost the first team to have a losing record after being 20 plus games over 500. It's one of the most disappointing seasons of my life here. Like, you know, especially with like Soto, 43 homers, 105. He almost had 40 stolen bases. Pete, 38, 112. Like, where is it? Like, we have one pitcher with 10 plus wins. And I get it where teams, if you root for the Pirates, that they never spend money. But there's something to be said about a team that spends $341 million. I know you get to watch great players perform well, sometimes, but when you never win a World Series, it's like, it feels like that attempt to compete is futile. Like, right? How much would we have to spend?

• 1:27:03Speaker 05

  I hate it. I hate it all.

• 1:27:07Bill Simmons?

  Forty, 40 years for you.

• 1:27:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, 86, it'll be 40. Yeah.

• 1:27:13Bill Simmons?

  The thing is, if they made the playoffs, do you think they would have won four straight rounds and won the World Series?

• 1:27:17Speaker 05

  No. So that was the thing. So going into the weekend, I'm like, all right, what are we gonna do? Win three against the Marlins, then two out of three against, we're gonna win five out of six in the next week? So yeah, it's probably better just to not watch them.

• 1:27:32Bill Simmons?

  Well, my team made it.

• 1:27:33Speaker 05

  You're psyched.

• 1:27:35Bill Simmons?

  Which makes no sense, because we traded our best player. And then our new best player, who is fucking awesome, Roman Anthony, gets hurt, misses the last month of the season. I don't think he's gonna be available for, certainly doesn't seem like he's gonna be available this week. I think Hench said we've used 35 pitchers.

• 1:27:56Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:27:57Bill Simmons?

  We had 10 of the worst losses you can imagine, and somehow finished 89 and 73.

• 1:28:05Bill Simmons?

  And now we're playing the Yankees. And we have Crochet, who's an absolute fucking beast, who's the best pitcher in the American League.

• 1:28:14Speaker 05

  I'm surprised you're an underdog. I'm looking at that now. You're an underdog in that game?

• 1:28:19Bill Simmons?

  In the game one, we're an underdog?

• 1:28:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. He's plus 112.

• 1:28:23Bill Simmons?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:28:24Speaker 05

  X free. Yeah.

• 1:28:27Bill Simmons?

  I think the key is if they can, if they can win game one and it's just a crochet and Chapman game and they don't use Whitlock and they can save Whitlock for game two, I think they can win the series. If they have to use all of those guys for game one, I think that gets really tough. And then Baio hasn't looked as good the last, I would say the last probably month or so. He's the game two guy. The Yankees have more talent. I mean, the Red Sox have just lost too many people. It's, I just wish we, we had Anthony. If we had Anthony, I would be like, heads up, but.

• 1:29:00Speaker 05

  A lot of these don't go three games, you know, they just go the two. So this is so huge crochet pitch. I'm really surprised that he's an underdog. And like, you know, I say to JJ, John Justremsky was a Yankee fan. I'm like, is it really a home, the Yankees have home field advantage much anymore? Like, bro, I'd much rather play this game in Yankee Stadium than him. I'm like, yeah, no, I get it. But I don't, I think this is a, this is definitely a winnable game for you, game one.

• 1:29:28Bill Simmons?

  Well, they're, they're starting two lefties in a row and, and I actually like when we go against lefties. That Schlittler really scares me. I'm kind of hoping we don't see him and the, have you seen him?

• 1:29:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, a little bit of him. Yeah.

• 1:29:45Bill Simmons?

  I had him on, Henshaw and I had him on our AL keeper team too. They, like, he was a legitimate stud. I thought for sure they would pitch him at home in game two, but maybe, maybe the day's rest didn't work. But so they got, uh, Redon is, is doing game two against Baio. Anyway, I'm trying, I'm already have my guard up because the Yankees, I just think have a better team. And if the Red Sox lose, we just point to the Devers trade and we, and Anthony being hurt and Casas got hurt in the, you know, first month of season and we're like, ah. But if we beat them, it's so embarrassing for them.

• 1:30:22Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:23Bill Simmons?

  With like, ref Snyder, like these, I mean, it's like Nathaniel Lowe, who basically picked up off waivers, played first base. Like, that would be a crazy loss by them.

• 1:30:33Speaker 05

  You're in great shape if you win that first game. Yeah. Yankees minus 178 for the series.

• 1:30:39Bill Simmons?

  Who do you think's going to win the World Series?

• 1:30:43Speaker 05

  You know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna say.

• 1:30:47Bill Simmons?

  Or am I stepping on your Tuesday?

• 1:30:49Speaker 05

  No, yeah, let me think about it, but it's gonna take, it's still gonna take, even though their relief pitching is really faltered. It's gonna take a lot to knock the Dodgers off, I think.

• 1:31:00Bill Simmons?

  I don't think they have the relievers.

• 1:31:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Speaker 05

  Everybody goes two innings though on these. Remember, you're looking at different baseball here. I mean, that, what the Tigers did, it would have been so much better if there are no wild cards. That would have been maybe the biggest collapse of our life. We were up 10, 12 games at the end of August.

• 1:31:20Bill Simmons?

  I know. I thought the best team I saw, the best team the Red Sox played all year was the Padres, just from like watching them and they just kept bringing these guys in to throw 100 miles an hour. They lost one of them after we played them, but, um, but I was.

• 1:31:34Speaker 05

  You talk about speed, that's, that's something that we're not, you asked like, what kind of kick would impress me? Guys throw 102 now and we don't even, the broadcasters don't even mention it at all.

• 1:31:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the Sox, they have the best starter in the series.

• 1:31:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:53Bill Simmons?

  They have a really good setup guy and a really good closer.

• 1:31:58Bill Simmons?

  But I don't trust the lineup. I think, uh, I'd be surprised if they beat the Yanks, even with the crochet piece.

• 1:32:07Bill Simmons?

  But I'm excited at baseball.

• 1:32:10Speaker 05

  It's fun. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

• 1:32:11Bill Simmons?

  A couple of years. Yeah. I like that. It's three in a row too.

• 1:32:14Speaker 05

  Four games.

• 1:32:15Bill Simmons?

  Come out at three o'clock there. Are you going to be able to see anything? Are you, you're doing the, you're there for Jimmy's show?

• 1:32:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm there. Someone offered me tickets. I'm not, not watching those dumb teams. But yeah, they, you got the, the Dodgers and Red Sox Yanks get the, the night slots, uh, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

• 1:32:33Bill Simmons?

  How much Ryder Cup did you follow?

• 1:32:35Speaker 05

  A lot until today. I really didn't watch. I was so like, you know, I bet Europe. I listened to House. House is going to pretend he's upset about the Americans. He had Europe.

• 1:32:44Bill Simmons?

  He's so not upset. He had so many, so much Europe money.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  Have you ever had a friend like a bet for so long and it, and it worked? Like I think in February, he was talking about Europe winning the Ryder Cup.

• 1:32:54Bill Simmons?

  He kept putting more on it. It was like, listen to somebody who loved AI stock in like 2020, who just kept, kept buying more of it.

• 1:33:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And then he had to pretend he was really upset that America choked. So I didn't have it on. I had the six games on.

• 1:33:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:10Bill Simmons?

  It was actually seven, but I had a split screen and didn't have the rider on until, um, I don't, at some point it was like, hey, I think my dad texted me. So then I put it on and there was a moment where it seemed like they really had a chance. Like when, uh, when Henley was up one heading into the 18th and

• 1:33:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:33:31Bill Simmons?

  And if it felt like he was gonna just take it and everything else is pretty even. You start doing the math. They're like, holy shit. Um, but then Henley, Shane Lowry, my biggest problem with the Ryder Cup is most of my favorite golfers were on the Euro team.

• 1:33:46Speaker 05

  P and S.

• 1:33:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Which I think a lot of people feel that way. Like I love Rory McIlroy. I really like Shane Lowry.

• 1:33:53Speaker 05

  They can't get dual citizenship?

• 1:33:54Bill Simmons?

  John Rahm. Yeah. I like, I even like Victor Hovland. But the only guy I really liked in the American team is J.J. Spahn.

• 1:34:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:34:02Bill Simmons?

  Like he's your favorite American golfer.

• 1:34:04Speaker 05

  Well, Scotty's so much fun to watch. You know, the

• 1:34:07Bill Simmons?

  He's all right. He's fine. I didn't really like him on Friday and Saturday when he went 0 for 4. Thomas was good. He had, Thomas had a good one.

• 1:34:14Speaker 05

  You would have gotten killed betting Scheffler Friday and Saturday. Like everything, he was like minus 180, but it wasn't always his fault with the pairings. But that's, uh, that's where all the, the money went for sure. But

• 1:34:25Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my favorite guy Fleetwood. That was another guy on the Euro team.

• 1:34:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:34:28Bill Simmons?

  I just, I was, so I was like pushing again. I didn't end up betting anything on it.

• 1:34:33Speaker 05

  The fans were brutal. I had no idea. Like I read afterwards what they're doing to Rory and like Rory, like going into the weekend was good natured. Remember that, that heckler was like, hey Rory? He was like buttoning his shirt. He's like, Rory, you don't need a button to choke. And he's like, oh, good one. And he like laughed. And by the end, he's like, fuck you. These guys are all looking at these guys.

• 1:34:52Bill Simmons?

  They're screaming fuck off at everybody.

• 1:34:54Speaker 05

  Like a big bear, like screaming at these fans. And then, yeah, it's, uh, yeah, I don't think it's, uh, I was saying like, people like, oh no, you have to have so much money to enter these events. You're not going to get the wise ass typical New Yorker. But yeah, no.

• 1:35:08Bill Simmons?

  You did. Yeah.

• 1:35:09Speaker 05

  There's wise asses that got lucky with hedge funds. That's all it is. Just they, they have enough money and just screaming their heads off.

• 1:35:16Bill Simmons?

  Well, you know what the great equalizer was? Was alcohol.

• 1:35:19Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:20Bill Simmons?

  Like maybe they weren't wise asses at nine in the morning.

• 1:35:22Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:35:22Bill Simmons?

  Baby Doll went, our, uh,

• 1:35:24Speaker 05

  Speaking of.

• 1:35:25Bill Simmons?

  Our, our beloved. Um, he was there on Saturday and left early. I couldn't find out if he helicoptered in and out.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  I think he just rode rode the smoke from his cigarettes over. Yeah, that's a good question. No, well, he lives like 20 minutes from there.

• 1:35:42Bill Simmons?

  Okay, so he drove it?

• 1:35:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:45Bill Simmons?

  Baby, I helicoptered anyway.

• 1:35:48Bill Simmons?

  Before we do parent corner, well, should we do agent corner after parent corner? Or do a parent corner first?

• 1:35:54Speaker 05

  Are we really gonna, is that gonna be our bombshell? The agent corner?

• 1:35:57Bill Simmons?

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• 1:36:24Speaker 05

  All right, I'm getting my hair cut the other day, and this guy Graham, good guy, cuts my hair. Cuts Harrison's hair too, and Jag, my son's, and Archie when he's around. And he says to me, he's like, hey, I hear Harrison wants to be a Cowboys fan. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, he's gonna be, he's a Cowboys fan. I'm like, oh, holy shit. I was really stunned by this, you know, because like, he was always like whoever won the Chiefs when he was young, seven or eight, now he's 12. He really hasn't, it's all fantasy, you know? But this year, like C.D. Lamb, he was rooting for him, I noticed. But I thought it was just because he had him on fantasy the first two weeks. And then I'm like, I gotta get out of this barber chair. Like, we could stop this now. I have to get home to talk to this kid.

• 1:37:05Speaker 05

  My, my hair's gonna look like shit in six days anyway, so let's just, it's not Graham's fault. It's my, I have bad hair. So I'm like, hey, I say to Harrison, I'm like, what's going on? Graham told me you want to be a Cowboys fan. He's like, yeah, I am a Cowboys fan. I was like, I don't think this is good. I don't, I don't want you to do this. And he's like, I want to do, I want to be accomplished. And I said, why? He's like, because you're my dad. And that was like a real Cosby show moment, but I was like, no, I want to.

• 1:37:32Bill Simmons?

  Wow. The crowd like got silent and then it started applauding?

• 1:37:36Speaker 05

  Oh, a little slow clap. Yeah.

• 1:37:37Bill Simmons?

  You're like Uncle Phil?

• 1:37:39Speaker 05

  I said, hey, I want to talk to you about this when I get back from Brooklyn. He says, am I in trouble? I was like, yeah, only if you make this terrible decision. You're in trouble for the rest of your life. I'm like, why can't you be a Chargers fan? We live 10 minutes away and they need fans and, you know, I feel like this, I'd be doing something good for LA. So, I mean, I really just, I really, really don't want this for him. I feel like I'm like running a business where I sell fax machines and I haven't sold one in like 25 years. And he's like, I want to do that too. Like, no, no, I want better for my kid, but what do I do? I need advice here. Do I continue to push other teams on him? Does he have to have a football team to be a big sports fan?

• 1:38:17Bill Simmons?

  I think it would be fun if he was a Cowboys fan. Maybe another person to complain about the Cowboys with.

• 1:38:25Speaker 05

  It just eats me alive. It's because it's not, it's not a fun, oh, look what they did tonight. Although tonight was fun, but I don't know, man. I don't know what I'm going to do. I may not allow this.

• 1:38:39Bill Simmons?

  I was thinking about, um, you, what you just said made me think about before the Red Sox won. I think I wrote a column about how after the Aaron Boone homer, about passing the Red Sox to my kids, how I wasn't going to do it.

• 1:38:54Bill Simmons?

  And now the irony is neither of my kids care about baseball. We don't even have a team anyway. But in 2003, it seemed conceivable. But yeah, there, you feel like you're giving them this burden. It's like you're giving them like a, you know, some sort of disability.

• 1:39:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, and it doesn't have to be.

• 1:39:10Bill Simmons?

  For the rest of their life. Yeah.

• 1:39:11Speaker 05

  It doesn't have to be that way. You could root with your friends for the Chargers. Do that, please.

• 1:39:18Bill Simmons?

  So.

• 1:39:20Bill Simmons?

  My parent corner, um, there's a Starbucks that when we moved to LA was near the house that, uh, that we were renting. Um, and it was basically like near where Tarantino's new Beverly cinema was. It's on Detroit Street and used to be, it was like the walkable Starbucks to where this house were running. And, um, it was the Starbucks that I was walking to right before the Yankees Red Sox series in 2004, ironically, when a bird shit on my shirt. And I wrote a whole piece about how, cause the Italians like bird shit's good luck.

• 1:40:01Bill Simmons?

  So I was, and I was like about to write my Red Sox Yanks preview and I was walking with, uh, my wife and her brother and the bird shit as I was thinking about the, and I was like, this is good luck. So went into the thing and I wrote this whole thing about it in, uh, on page two. So same Starbucks that when my wife was giving, uh, birth to, uh, my daughter Zoe, um, I just told this story in the pod and she went into labor and then she wasn't in labor and then two days later she thought she might be again. And we were going there in the morning and I stopped at the Starbucks and got a coffee because I was like, ah, you're probably not having the kid. I need my coffee. Went in

• 1:40:42Bill Simmons?

  the coffee, saw this 90210 actress that was in there, came out. I was like, you're not gonna believe it was in there. And Carrie's like, drive. Cause she felt like, and she's still mad about it. She's been mad about it for 20 years.

• 1:40:55Speaker 05

  Does that one, she threw the heel out your face?

• 1:40:58Bill Simmons?

  It was, it was.

• 1:40:59Speaker 05

  Different time?

• 1:41:00Bill Simmons?

  From last week. Uh, yeah, it was Lucinda from season four, 90210 was in there. And I'm like, you're not gonna believe what I saw. And she's like, drive. So anyway, she, she is coming home and she's stopping because she's coming from that direction. And she texts, do you wanna, you want me to get you an iced coffee? And I'm like, yeah, yeah. So she comes home and she's like, I had to get it from somewhere else. That Starbucks closed, the one on Detroit, the one we went to. And then she's like, remember the one where I was about to give birth to Zoe and you said you were more excited that you ran and we had a whole thing about the it was still there 21 years later. Still bad about the Starbucks. Anyway, a lot of memories, bird shit, labor.

• 1:41:45Bill Simmons?

  I used to write columns at that Starbucks every once in a while. And now, now she's gone.

• 1:41:50Speaker 05

  Oh, that's too bad. And Lucinda was a barista recently there.

• 1:41:56Bill Simmons?

  Wait, I have to ask, did you, when the bird shit on you, did you go in the Starbucks and write the column right then?

• 1:42:03Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:42:04Bill Simmons?

  I went in.

• 1:42:05Speaker 05

  You sat there with the bird shit on you.

• 1:42:06Bill Simmons?

  I went in, the guy actually noticed the thing, because we were talking about it. He's like, what is that on your shirt? And I was like, I need a napkin, but and I had, and we had this whole debate about whether I should wipe it off, whether it was good luck. I ended up wiping off, but then not washing the shirt, which is pretty psychotic.

• 1:42:25Speaker 05

  That's a good fantasy punishment. Someone should have to wear that shirt. That's not ever watch. Yeah. Nice.

• 1:42:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Anyway, that's Para Corner brought to you by Scout Motors. Join the waitlist for the Scout Terran Scout Traveler at scoutmotors.com. Concept vehicle is not available for sale.

• 1:42:42Speaker 05

  Sorry about that. Keep going. No, I was wondering, was there any chance you were going to name Zoe Jacinda?

• 1:42:48Bill Simmons?

  Lucinda, sorry. Yeah. I think she was dating three guys on the show at once. So probably made a mistake. Concept vehicle is not available for sale. Joining the waitlist is not guaranteed purchase. Visit scoutmotors.com for details. It's weird though, because I used to, you know, I used to be a writer and I would go write my column or write my basketball book or anything. I would go to these, I would leave the house and go to these different places around LA. And that was one of the go to ones. But when I see these places now, I just think of like all the, these hundreds of hours I just spent with my head down, like fucking, you know, typing.

• 1:43:24Speaker 05

  What is it? What did it turn into? The Starbucks?

• 1:43:27Bill Simmons?

  I don't, they just closed it. I don't even know what it's going to be.

• 1:43:29Speaker 05

  But you could buy it. If it means that much, no, it's sentimental. It's nice. It's like memorabilia. All right.

• 1:43:37Bill Simmons?

  I didn't even know if it's sentimental. My wife got mad all over again that I stopped for a coffee there. Opposite of sentimental. Needed the coffee. It was the morning. What was I gonna do?

• 1:43:48Speaker 05

  Sentimental case.

• 1:43:50Bill Simmons?

  Should we do aging corner really fast or?

• 1:43:52Speaker 05

  I guess so. I don't know what we think we can get away with here, but all right. Yeah.

• 1:43:58Bill Simmons?

  So the big controversy, our cousin Jimmy's back on the air.

• 1:44:05Bill Simmons?

  Triumphant week for him. We went to the show on Tuesday. It was great. It was, it was great to see everybody. I was emotional, the whole thing. And he's back. Now he's in Brooklyn doing his show. But his, his agent, our beloved James Baby Doll Dixon, as all this stuff was happening the week before, had a wedding in Martha's Vineyard and was doing, was handling his whole side remotely. And that turned into a big topic for us, whether he should have flown back or not. And you're going to be shocked to know that he did not appreciate the discourse about whether he should have flown back or not and was, dare I say, defensive for one of the, one of the only times I remember, like when we were really busting his balls on Tuesday in Jimmy's office.

• 1:44:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:44:51Bill Simmons?

  Seemed, seemed almost a little rattled about it.

• 1:44:54Speaker 05

  So it was me, me, you and Louis and I'm not sure if you're gonna talk, but Aaron, the E P.

• 1:45:02Bill Simmons?

  There's a bunch of people on there. Yeah.

• 1:45:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, there was like five of us and we were all giving him shit about it. And so what does he do? He turns his attentions to me and starts, which I'm, I'm fine with because, you know, and it was very varying degrees of, we're just screwing with you, baby, to, hey, we're angry. Where the hell were you? Kind of thing, right? So he of course is very defensive about it. But, uh, not so much that he just took off and left for the Ryder Cup, like right the very next day. Right? So he's fine.

• 1:45:31Bill Simmons?

  He was, he, he was like, I'm here, aren't I?

• 1:45:34Speaker 05

  This was a day back. Yeah.

• 1:45:36Bill Simmons?

  But then, but then left, left the next day. So he, he, he technically did come back.

• 1:45:41Speaker 05

  Right, right, right.

• 1:45:42Bill Simmons?

  But I don't know. I, I still don't, I need, I kind of need more information. I wish there was a reporter covering Baby Doll. Because. I want to know what the wedding was. Who was, who was the wedding? What do we know about the wedding that he couldn't leave?

• 1:45:56Speaker 05

  One of his daughter's friends, very dear, sweet, sweet kid. I couldn't miss this. No, I'm not missing that wedding.

• 1:46:03Bill Simmons?

  But he said, he claimed he was put in 20 hours a day remotely.

• 1:46:07Speaker 05

  Working on trying to get.

• 1:46:09Bill Simmons?

  During the whole saga. I don't, did you believe that? I mean, I, he doesn't sleep. So that is.

• 1:46:14Speaker 05

  I don't believe it unless he's on, I mean, first of all, he shows up, he's so dark. He looks like Wesley Snipes when we see him, you know, and it's like, I don't think he's doing 20 hours of anything but like sunbathing, like Paulie Walnuts.

• 1:46:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's 20 hours, but then he's also talking about how good his swing is.

• 1:46:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah.

• 1:46:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:37Speaker 05

  We love you, baby. I don't know. We just need some answers there.

• 1:46:41Bill Simmons?

  It's, it was just.

• 1:46:46Speaker 05

  We're getting in trouble.

• 1:46:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, you have to see him for the next five days.

• 1:46:50Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, you're right. You're right.

• 1:46:53Bill Simmons?

  I'm 3,000 miles away. I'm not going to get in any trouble.

• 1:46:56Speaker 05

  Who knows if I'll see him? I don't know. I don't know what he shows up to.

• 1:46:59Bill Simmons?

  The important thing is, he did show up for Tuesday after all the drama had been settled. He was there.

• 1:47:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm there when it counts, baby. Now, my boy Carson is doing something for the Budweiser Light Tent. I gotta get the hell out of here. Off the Beth page.

• 1:47:14Bill Simmons?

  Maybe he's like, like Tom Hayden. Maybe, maybe he's a peacetime conciliary like Tom in The Godfather.

• 1:47:20Speaker 05

  Oh yeah. All right. I mean, that would be different.

• 1:47:23Bill Simmons?

  Like Janko. Like Janko was a wartime conciliary.

• 1:47:27Speaker 05

  I like that. I mean, his, his way is usually just to scream until he gets his way. But so, but that wasn't, um, that wasn't the deal this time. It all worked out.

• 1:47:36Bill Simmons?

  I did not appreciate that you talked about this on the podcast.

• 1:47:40Speaker 05

  You know, fuck.

• 1:47:41Bill Simmons?

  This was private business.

• 1:47:42Speaker 05

  You know, leverage wise, this is not good for me, baby. Shit. Maybe we run this by Louis to see if, uh.

• 1:47:53Bill Simmons?

  Well, leverage wise, it was a, it was a, it all worked out somehow.

• 1:47:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:47:59Bill Simmons?

  And now we have this Brooklyn week and uh, good times all the way around. Good week of shows, uh, very happy to have Jimmy Kimmel back on the TV.

• 1:48:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:10Bill Simmons?

  Anything out of plug this week?

• 1:48:12Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, Tate and I are gonna talk college on Tuesday. Big wins for Bama and Oregon. Those were fun. Go Ducks. House and the bundle on Wednesday. House, again, I gotta, uh, he endorsed my bet. Europe to win by between one and three, plus 400. So that's my claim to fame for the weekend. Thank you.

• 1:48:30Bill Simmons?

  Did you like Dante Moore, by the way? Cause McShay was on here on Thursday and he said that was his favorite QB. And then I watched a bunch of that game and uh,

• 1:48:38Speaker 05

  You didn't like him?

• 1:48:39Bill Simmons?

  No, I liked him. I thought he was good.

• 1:48:41Speaker 05

  All different arm angles. That was the toughest. I mean, what's tougher place to win than that? I don't know, maybe Penn State isn't great, but that was a, he showed some uh,

• 1:48:49Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's great. It's great when you win those games in the other team's stadium in college football, when it just goes completely silent.

• 1:48:57Speaker 05

  Right, yeah.

• 1:48:58Bill Simmons?

  When it's like, ah! And then it's like, it's almost like you, like a pin gets shoved into the uh, the stadium. But that was one of those wins where it was just,

• 1:49:06Speaker 05

  Walk off interception, right?

• 1:49:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was great. And then Friday, uh, the bundle and high fits with me and uh, Todd Marinovich will join us. He has a book out. Good times.

• 1:49:17Bill Simmons?

  We'll try to find out more information about Baby Doll.

• 1:49:20Speaker 05

  We're gonna get a lot of trouble for this.

• 1:49:22Bill Simmons?

  Do agent corner. I can, I can get a sponsor next week for agent corner.

• 1:49:26Speaker 05

  All right, let's do it. I know you're, you're way far away drinking hot water with lemon and he's gonna lambast me for, for five straight days here.

• 1:49:34Bill Simmons?

  I can't wait. I can't wait for the stories. Cause good job by you.

• 1:49:38Speaker 05

  Good job by you, buddy.

• 1:49:40Bill Simmons?

  All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Sal, thanks to Eduardo and Gahow as well. Don't forget, new rewatchables coming Monday night. Prestige TV, Task, uh, all of our sports and pop culture content on the Ringer Podcast Network. This is a big, big, big month for us that's coming up. Uh, we are in our wheelhouse, uh, in a whole bunch of different ways. So I will see you definitely on Tuesday. You might even see me four times this week because uh, with all the stuff that's going on. But I will see you on this podcast on Tuesday.

• 1:50:22Bill Simmons?

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