Andrew Schulz and Ryan Clark address their public disagreement, sharing the importance of uncomfortable conversations in growth, intent vs impact in comedy, personal struggles and Andrew's comments on black women explained.

"You call me a lot of things, but ignorant I'd disagree on." Andrew Schulz Comedian and Actor Comedy is all about pushing boundaries, but what happens when the joke lands differently than expected? Over the past few months, Ryan Clark and Andrew Schulz have had a public disagreement stemming from comments Andrew made in jest about Black women and their influence on men's appearance. His remarks led Ryan to respond, emphasizing a commitment to defending his culture and refuting Andrew’s insinuations of seeking attention. From their viral exchange about clout-chasing and defending black women to messages exchanged privately to the two finally deciding to hash it out face to face. Although tensions were high, the depth and tone of this discussion displayed respect, even in uncomfortable moments, the guys navigated the conversation through the many challenges and misconceptions to try and find a common ground. On this episode of The Pivot Podcast with Ryan, Channing and Fred—Andrew's authenticity shined through, bringing humor, honesty and humility as the men had an unfiltered discussion, where no topic was off limits. Andrew and Ryan don’t shy away from tough dialogue, sensitive topics and tackling the fine line between making people laugh and making them uncomfortable. In an effort to separate impact of words from the intent, Andrew explains how his jokes can sometimes be misinterpreted and how comedy, at its core, is about perspective. As the convo furthers, the guys get in-depth about the weight of words, racism, reactions to jokes. the changing nature of comedic responsibility, social media and how the internet can twist context into controversy. Andrew admits that his approach to comedy has matured over time, and he’s become conscious of never wanting to hurt anyone and feels his humor is now diversified and united by cultural impact of all people. Buried in the deep revelations, Andrew comes prepared with lots of one liners and fun jabs at Ryan, Fred and Channing, showing a glimpse of the wit, edge and quickness that has yielded his extraordinary success. Beyond the laughs, Andrew opens up about his personal life, from his father’s role in his career to getting his start in comedy to his struggles with starting a family and how his fanbase transcended into one of the most diverse audiences in comedy. At the core of this discussion is proof that people, even those who have differences and seem on total opposite sides of something, may be more alike than different afterall. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:31Speaker 01

  Shall we? Hello, hello, hello. Gentlemen. Gentlemen.

• 0:38Channing Crowder?

  Cartier on.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  You're getting a Ryan Clark special right here.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  You're getting the official Ryan Clark special right here.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  No, it's not done yet. Hold on.

• 0:50Channing Crowder?

  I put my Jays on to make sure I was ready.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. I came clean. I told you I was gonna come clean. And I come bearing gifts. I'm not the only one that gets to wear the brooch today. I got the CC. We got the CC. We got that Freddie T right there. You get none. You don't get any clips. You get all yours regularly. Thank you.

• 1:16Fred Taylor?

  This is wild.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  This is gonna be hard to button, guys. It took me a minute. I'm not gonna lie.

• 1:20Fred Taylor?

  You're clean though.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:22Ryan Clark?

  You should wear more. It gets easier, bro, if you become...

• 1:25Fred Taylor?

  You know what I just found out?

• 1:26Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 1:27Fred Taylor?

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• 1:32Speaker 01

  And socks.

• 1:33Fred Taylor?

  Those... What are those?

• 1:36Speaker 01

  I don't know, bro. This was, as I'm sitting down, a horrible idea. When I was walking, I was like, oh, I look really good, but it's so unbelievably uncomfortable. And the thigh parts are too tight.

• 1:48Ryan Clark?

  When was the last time you wore that suit?

• 1:50Speaker 01

  I was in Japan. And I feel like they made it for a Japanese guy.

• 1:55Speaker 05

  Because this, I mean, like, alright.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  I need to see the angles before.

• 2:01Speaker 05

  Okay, boys, let's go.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Well, look who's here.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Andrew Schulz, welcome to the Pivot.

• 2:26Speaker 05

  Uh, thank you very much, guys. This is very exciting.

• 2:28Ryan Clark?

  This is Fred Taylor. I know, very well. I'm RC. Pivot fam, thank you for pivoting. So me and you, you know, as people may not know.

• 2:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:37Ryan Clark?

  You know, or they don't, we've texted a little bit over the last week.

• 2:40Speaker 05

  Tell them how we've been like organizing the whole thing from the beginning.

• 2:43Ryan Clark?

  Well, so initially, Charlamagne, I don't know if Charlamagne told you, but he messaged me.

• 2:48Speaker 05

  He told me that, that you told him you wanted me to make jokes about black women. And then I was like, alright, if Ryan wants to do it, I'll do it. And then it was crazy. And then this whole internet thing happened and I was like, but Ryan asked for this. You know, never trust a guy from South Carolina. I mean, that's, that's what I.

• 3:06Ryan Clark?

  Well, I'm from New Orleans, that's a good thing.

• 3:07Speaker 05

  Well, Charlamagne's from South Carolina.

• 3:10Ryan Clark?

  Actually, I do appreciate though, you know, like all jokes aside.

• 3:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 3:14Ryan Clark?

  Is, I do appreciate the way, you know, you've conversed and communicated with me about little things leading up to this.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  Sure. And thank you for texting me, I appreciate that.

• 3:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 3:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I almost wish that we could have like spoke immediately. I think that that might have, you know, would maybe clear some things up.

• 3:31Ryan Clark?

  Well, I think the first thing, you know, and I said it because we talked about it recently, because you said something, you know, to Shannon and you talked to Charlamagne. I was like, everything that you say about me is fair to me. Like you have an opportunity to rebuttal, respond to anything, because when I spoke about you, it wasn't something that was addressed to me.

• 3:50Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:50Ryan Clark?

  I, I involved myself.

• 3:51Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:52Ryan Clark?

  I understand this game, these platforms, is that like, okay, he gonna respond, and he should.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:57Ryan Clark?

  Um, so I have no problem with that. What was, you know, in your responding, because it's been a while. What made you finally say something? Were you just asked about it or?

• 4:07Speaker 05

  I, I forget exactly what happened on, on Shannon. I'm sure that the cognac had something to do with that. You get loose on that, on that, on that Shannon Sharp podcast. No. I don't know why exactly I responded there, because I didn't respond on any other thing. Right?

• 4:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 05

  And then maybe I said something since? I was looking back at the response. I thought that it was unfair how I framed the thing. I've texted you this, so it's weird to have this conversation in person, even though we've already texted. So I thought it was unfair that I was like, "You said that I said the N-word," or something like that, or wanted to say the N-word. So, and which wasn't what you said. Like, I'm sure everybody's probably seen that clip that listens to the podcast right now. But I think it seemed as if you were trying to explain these things that are troubling for you culturally. My initial reaction was, obviously, this thing like, "Why is he talking about this and me right now? What is the moment?" And that's why I thought it was clout. And then when you texted me, you're like, "I have a lot of black women that are in my life that are going,

• 5:07Speaker 05

  'Hey, you need to address this, you need to understand this, and you need to protect us.'" And I was like, "Okay, I get that. It's more of a protective instinct." And I was like, "Okay, I understand where that's coming from." And I think that's noble. Like, I'm fine with that. And people are allowed to react however they want to jokes. I think that's a misconception with comedians that like, "You have to like our jokes." Like, I didn't even think the joke was that good. It wasn't? Yeah, I didn't think it was that good. But it was a joke. And the intention was to make people laugh. And I think the issue I had with what you said was that like, I felt it was framed as if like, I was unaware of these things that you were saying. You were like, "I want to tell you what black women mean to me."

• 5:52Speaker 05

  And then you told beautiful stories about your mother and what she did for you, and like, your wife and what she was doing for you when your health was bad. You know what I mean? And I'm listening to this, and I'm like, "Wow."

• 6:04Speaker 05

  Black women will do anything for their children? And they'll do anything for their husband when they're sick? And I was like, "I think my mom and wife are black."

• 6:15Ryan Clark?

  I get the joke.

• 6:17Ryan Clark?

  I get the joke.

• 6:18Speaker 05

  I guess what I'm trying to say is like.

• 6:19Ryan Clark?

  But the other piece of it too, Andrew, is that white women haven't been under attack in this country for their entire existence. Right, and so. It wasn't about the nobility of it for me. Right, it was about that in this platform where I have a space, where I have a voice.

• 6:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:38Ryan Clark?

  This is something that has been said. This is something that is being circulated.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:42Ryan Clark?

  And if the two black men that were sitting across from you would have addressed it a different way, even if they would have maybe laughed and it felt like a joke.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:54Ryan Clark?

  Right, it was an uncomfortable situation where what you said was neither refuted or agreed to. And it wasn't presented as a joke. And in the same space where I feel like if you're sitting on a flag. You don't think I presented it as a joke? It didn't feel like a joke. Oh. Right, like anything you do in stand up, when you are doing stand up, like I watched your stand up. I enjoyed it.

• 7:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:20Ryan Clark?

  And I was like, okay, like this is funny. And when you're talking about the Latina nurse and all those things, I was like, I get it, right? Because in jokes, whether we go back to Wanda or Shanaynay, right? We're going to do the extreme of the extreme of the stereotype. Right, I get that.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:34Ryan Clark?

  In that conversation and all jokes, and you know this, like you've been punched in the face on stage before, right?

• 7:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:41Ryan Clark?

  All jokes are really as funny as the people who comprehend them and digest it.

• 7:46Speaker 05

  I would debate that, obviously, but however somebody takes a joke, they're right.

• 7:54Speaker 05

  If you don't find something funny, you're right. You're allowed to react however you want to whatever I say. The tricky thing is when like we start trying to decide what the intention is. Because my intention is always like when I'm making a joke is to make people laugh, to bring joy to the world. And sometimes, as you've seen with my special, I'm making jokes about myself for an hour, about like really vulnerable fucked up shit. And then sometimes I'm making jokes about a culture that I go visit. I go to Abu Dhabi and I make fun of all them in an arena out there. And it's this big fun experience. And I've done that for like the last almost 20 years. I've built this audience, and if you come to one of my shows, it's by far the most diverse audience in all of comedy. And I mean that of any comedian. It's by far.

• 8:39Speaker 05

  You know, so it's like, clearly, I'm talking about cultures in a way where they don't feel bullied, they feel seen. And I don't think that that joke represented that when I said it on the pod. But my concern was, I think, the way that you reacted, it was like that I was ignorant. And you can call me a lot of things, you can call me insensitive, like, call me not funny, call me whatever. But ignorant is one thing that I would disagree on. I think like I'm a pretty aware and pretty curious guy. And like, I'm curious because I genuinely want to know about people. And I think that's often reflected in the comedy. That joke, I don't, it's like, for me, it is a joke. It's not like the intention is like, how can I

• 9:23Speaker 05

  put this information out about black women on the internet? It was like, I hate explaining jokes, but I'm literally just doing a typical joke formula, which is like, we have one idea of one thing, and then what's the opposite of it? Right? And I understand there's like a sensitivity to these like stereotypes or tropes. And like, the joke wasn't funny enough for like, how much it hurt people. I get that. And they're entitled to however they want to feel about it. I just don't, I don't like it going into the territory of like, that's how he really feels. And that's, he's just using it as like a smokescreen to say how he really feels. It's like, no, how I really feel is I just want to saw to laugh.

• 9:59Ryan Clark?

  What happened is, like, you're saying that, like, I spoke on a joke in a way that you don't think was fair, when if you listen to me, I used your joke to say something I wanted to say anyway.

• 10:13Speaker 05

  Let me clarify. However you react is fair.

• 10:16Ryan Clark?

  Right. But my point is, I didn't paint you as anything. I said Andrew Schulz said this.

• 10:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:23Ryan Clark?

  Let me tell you about my experience, right? Like, when I watch life, right? When I'm, when I'm sitting in my son's house watching Netflix, I'm saying, Andrew Schulz is telling this story about... The journey of him and his wife to conceive their child.

• 10:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:38Ryan Clark?

  And it's a beautiful story.

• 10:40Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 10:40Ryan Clark?

  It's not my job now, right, to go, but let me tell you about how it is to have children with black women. That's not my job, right?

• 10:47Speaker 05

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 10:47Ryan Clark?

  Because you were doing a performing art which you were giving to us for entertainment.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 10:51Ryan Clark?

  By being vulnerable, right? I understood that.

• 10:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:53Ryan Clark?

  And so in what you did, it was like, okay, no, I'm not, I'm not refuting what you said. Because I don't know your experiences, right? I, I, I got away from Andrew Schulz and I got to black women. And I think my, my bigger problem is if you can, based on whatever reason you want to, right? Say, hey, man, I'm gonna give you my experience with my wife that I love.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:19Ryan Clark?

  What is wrong with me saying I'm gonna give you my experience with black women who I love?

• 11:24Speaker 05

  I feel like you keep saying that you think that I think you're wrong. You're right to say whatever you want to say. However, you feel is fine. What I, what I feel is that like, you were positioning me in a way that I don't think is consistent with me. Like, I know that black mothers love their kids and they'll do anything for them, just like Chinese mothers do, just like Latin mothers do, right? Like, that's the relationship a mother has with their kid, you know? I mean, you're, you're mixed, right? Your mom is white or your dad's? Mom's white. Your mom's white. Like, I bet she really loved you. I, I bet she didn't love you any less because she's white. Like, she just, you're everything to her. She'd probably do anything. I know my mom stopped going to school. She's 14 years old. She like comes to America from Scotland and she like builds a life and she would do anything for us.

• 12:05Speaker 05

  Like, so I don't think that's like a, a thing that's idiosyncratic to black women. I think that's like a woman mom thing. It's really beautiful. So as you were explaining these things, it was like, to me, how I felt, how I interpreted, it might not be what you intended, but like my interpretation was like, he's positioning me away as if I'm not aware of, of this thing and that people are capable of like immense beauty and care and, and concern and empathy. And it's like, if you feel like you have to explain that to me. You must think that I don't think that already about black women or all women. Or you think that like I think that way about white women and don't about black women. So that's why I'm like, whoa, like.

• 12:49Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think, I think what you're missing is.

• 12:52Speaker 05

  Does that make sense?

• 12:53Ryan Clark?

  And I want, and I want to say this in like the least combative way possible.

• 12:56Speaker 05

  Sure, sure.

• 12:57Ryan Clark?

  You know, what you're missing is I don't care about you, right? Like, like in that, in that.

• 13:02Speaker 05

  Probably a little bit less combative way of saying that, but yeah.

• 13:05Ryan Clark?

  In, in, in that, in that, in that moment, in that moment, Andrew Schoach was a nameless gray face.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 13:11Ryan Clark?

  Right? It wasn't, I, I, I didn't want to attack you. I didn't want people to come to you and be like, well, Ryan Clark said you were racist. Like, I would never say that because me, who never actually says, hey, white people are this.

• 13:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:25Ryan Clark?

  When I step up for black women the way I did, you know what I got? You're a racist, right?

• 13:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, people are saying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:32Ryan Clark?

  And so.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  Which is, which is unfair too.

• 13:34Ryan Clark?

  And so, and if I, you know, 2020, George Floyd, and I'm like, look, man.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:38Ryan Clark?

  I get that there's a criminal system, but doing this to any man is not okay.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  That's right. Yeah, you brought up the Alton Sterling thing too.

• 13:46Ryan Clark?

  And so, and so, but when you do that, right? From whether it's conservatives, Republicans, the right, white people in general, you're a racist. When I never in any fact ever say anything about my own color being superior to anybody, which is what racism stems from, right? And so, I get what you're saying that like I, I never painted you as anything. But as being somewhere, right? And I've dealt with this recently, when you are aware, right? And when you do feel like you are compassionate and you do try to understand people.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  Right.

• 14:14Ryan Clark?

  Right? And they paint you as a certain thing. You feel, or you feel that they paint you as a certain thing.

• 14:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:20Ryan Clark?

  You're like, I'm not that, and that bothers me in some way.

• 14:23Speaker 05

  Did you feel like I did that about you or you did that about me?

• 14:26Ryan Clark?

  No, I'm saying, because you keep saying I painted you some way, which I didn't, right? I didn't say much about you.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  I didn't say, I thought that your juxtaposition, meaning the fact that you're like, let me explain what the black woman experience is for me. Made me feel, it's just a feeling, like made me feel as if you thought that I didn't already know that.

• 14:47Ryan Clark?

  Have you dated black women before?

• 14:49Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 14:49Ryan Clark?

  And in your dating black women, did black women beat you?

• 14:54Speaker 05

  No, Brian, I think, I think you're missing the point here. Like, do you think that's what I think of black women? Maybe we should start there.

• 15:02Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 15:03Speaker 05

  Okay, so then-

• 15:04Ryan Clark?

  Here's the thing, I don't know-

• 15:06Speaker 05

  So, well, that's different than no.

• 15:08Ryan Clark?

  Right? I don't know, because I don't know you. What I do know is, in that moment, in this small clip I saw of Andrew Schulz, this is what he said. Now, let me tell you what I didn't say, right? I didn't say Andrew Schulz thinks that all black women are angry. I didn't say Andrew Schulz thinks that black women are abusive. I didn't say that Andrew Schulz is a racist.

• 15:30Speaker 05

  You didn't say racist, but, well, I don't want to-

• 15:32Ryan Clark?

  I never said that, right? And in my conversation, I spoke about the two men that were sitting with you, right? And here's what happens when you deal in the life that I deal in, right? When I say something about unarmed black people getting killed, what I get? Well, what about black crime in Chicago?

• 15:47Speaker 05

  It's a red herring.

• 15:48Ryan Clark?

  Right, it's a red herring.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  It's used to distract and like, kind of cut the legs out from your point. It's gotta be very frustrating, and you're taking-

• 15:55Ryan Clark?

  But my point about that was, right, when these guys are sitting with you, and that is said to people, not you, to people who may see that and may see them sitting there, they'll go, "Well, Andrew Schulz made this joke about black women, and there were two black men sitting across from him, and in no way did they refute it. This must be true. I can go behave like he behaves."

• 16:20Speaker 05

  Got, got you. So that's the concern, that you think that somebody would see that joke and then feel like it's okay to do that?

• 16:26Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 16:27Speaker 05

  Got it. So you felt you need to address it to thwart that, so you could protect black women from experiencing that in the future?

• 16:33Ryan Clark?

  Andrew too, man, it's like, as, you know, we talked about it, because I said, "Bro, I didn't even think it was gonna be this big." It's part of any healing process, right? You don't, you put peroxide on a wound to clean it out in hopes that it heals. In the same way, whatever black women may have heard that, who may have been affected by it, who may have felt cut down, who may have wished that those two black men defended them, whether it was a joke or not, right? Whoever had that wound, just maybe they hear me and for once they was like, "Man, at least that dude stood up for us." At least somebody who had that experience stood up for it.

• 17:11Speaker 05

  That must have felt good for some people.

• 17:13Ryan Clark?

  I didn't care to paint you in any way, which is why I didn't continue talking about you.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  It doesn't really matter what your intention was. It matters how you make someone feel. That's what the whole issue is with the joke. Like, if you said, "I didn't care to do this, I don't care about you." None of that [bleep] matters. It didn't matter that I didn't care to hurt black women, I just wanted to make a joke. It hurt them. So it doesn't [bleep] matter whether you cared to do something or not. What matters is you did something and it had that effect. So ironically, the thing that you're describing to me is the same position you put yourself in. So what I'm trying to tell you is people are gonna react however they react and they feel however they feel, and that's okay. Like, as a comedian, I accept that. I hope that people maybe learn more about me and they see that, like, I don't have bad intentions for people

• 18:02Speaker 05

  and I make fun of everybody, because if I don't make fun of one group, then it becomes uncomfortable. Then it starts to become racist or sexist or whatever, you know? I hope that they learn that. But I understand, as I get there, we're gonna have these little things that we stumble across and, like, unfortunately, people's feelings are gonna be hurt. And it sucks. And if, like, anybody came up to me like, "Hey, that thing that you said, you know, I didn't know you were joking, it didn't feel like you were joking, it really hurt my feelings." I'd be like, "Dude, I'm sorry, I don't wanna hurt your feelings again." But if then they said to me, "Hey, don't you ever make jokes about that again," I'd go, "I can't let you control what I make jokes about." I can hope and aspire to make them so that everybody laughs. But I don't think it's fair to, like, limit what we can joke about. I think one thing we often say is, like,

• 18:46Speaker 05

  "You can only joke about the experiences you've had."

• 18:51Speaker 05

  But I don't know if that's true because like we were laughing at Handyman when we were younger. Right? He wasn't retarded. None of us are retarded. But we laugh at these things all the time. So. You can't tell me white chicks isn't a funny ass movie.

• 19:05Ryan Clark?

  It's hilarious.

• 19:07Speaker 05

  They're not white women. Why are they allowed to make that joke? Because it's funny. We know it's well intentioned. They're not trying to like hurt people's feelings. There might be some white women. They're like Karens. They watch that movie like, how the could you do that? That really hurt me? They're allowed to feel that way. We might disagree. But I'm not going to remove their agency as comedians to be able to like do these things. So naturally, sometimes people's feelings get hurt. And that's based on the experience they had. You have daughters. You have this wife that you love. You know, we have these situations in our life that we like really want. We have sensitivities to certain things. You know what I mean? Like my dad has dementia. When I hear jokes about that, I probably think about my dad and it's probably maybe a little less funny to me than somebody who doesn't have any connection to it. And there might be moments where it's like way funnier.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  You know, there's all these different things. So what I don't want to do is start going like. You have to have lived that exact experience in order to talk on it. Because I don't think that's fair. I don't think it's good for comedy.

• 20:03Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I don't think it's good for comedy. I mean, it's not good in life, right? Because I haven't actually lived the black woman experience, right?

• 20:09Speaker 05

  That's a good point.

• 20:10Ryan Clark?

  You know, and yeah, so I wasn't trying to tell you that in any way. I think the thing that's true about what you said is, you know, you talk about intent impact. I talk to my kids about it.

• 20:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:20Ryan Clark?

  All the time. I do know in it. My intent was. I had no intention on protecting your ability to joke. I had no intention on making sure everyone knew it was a joke. I had no intention on telling people or showing people that I enjoy all comedy. I do think it's extremely fair for you to talk about black women. I do.

• 20:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:47Ryan Clark?

  Because I mean, how many jokes do we make about white women or how many jokes do? Like that is part of comedy.

• 20:52Speaker 05

  And keep making them.

• 20:53Ryan Clark?

  And it was the.

• 20:53Speaker 05

  It's funny. It's great that we all.

• 20:55Ryan Clark?

  Raw, raw and delirious. Those are all my favorite. Right? And so I do understand that just in this case, like you said, the intent impact, it felt differently. That was why I addressed it.

• 21:05Fred Taylor?

  I don't believe you're racist.

• 21:06Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 21:07Fred Taylor?

  I found it offensive. Right, because of the experiences.

• 21:11Speaker 05

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 21:12Fred Taylor?

  Maybe even if it was directed at another group of women.

• 21:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:15Fred Taylor?

  I probably found it a little bit offensive. But, again, it's a joke.

• 21:19Speaker 05

  Sure, sure.

• 21:19Fred Taylor?

  But always comedians, they ride on the line of, right on the borderline of, I can say this because I am a comedian.

• 21:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. Or, I would hope it's like, we could say it if it's funny. And then when it's not funny, it's kind of, we take the blow back.

• 21:35Fred Taylor?

  Whether it's funny or not, like, I know a lot of comics who, like, they say, well, I'm a comedian, I can say what I want. You know what I mean? So, my question is this.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:45Fred Taylor?

  If you weren't a comedian.

• 21:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:48Fred Taylor?

  Would you have felt comfortable saying the same thing, even with your experience?

• 21:52Speaker 05

  No, that's, that's, yeah.

• 21:53Fred Taylor?

  Because I think earlier today, I heard Chelsea Handler speak about her experiences with white men.

• 21:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:59Fred Taylor?

  She can't get, keep or get a white man because they feel she's too much like them. She's more of a man, you know, like more masculine or whatever. You know what I'm saying? That's what she said. She was like, I'm too tough for a white man.

• 22:12Speaker 05

  So, what is, she needs a gay guy?

• 22:14Fred Taylor?

  No, she ain't say that. But she says, black men can handle her.

• 22:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think she's kind of sneak calling y'all gay a little bit.

• 22:21Fred Taylor?

  I don't think so.

• 22:24Fred Taylor?

  You know, I mean, it's tough.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  That's a little crazy.

• 22:26Fred Taylor?

  Because it goes back to, black men being able to handle the black women.

• 22:32Speaker 05

  There's an assumption.

• 22:33Fred Taylor?

  A lot of times are considered tough.

• 22:34Speaker 05

  I think there's an assumption of masculinity with black men. That there's maybe not with white men, as I sit here with my legs crossed and my pants almost at my knees.

• 22:44Fred Taylor?

  That is wild, bro. This, this is.

• 22:47Speaker 05

  I tried to dress like Ryan.

• 22:48Fred Taylor?

  I'm gonna be honest.

• 22:49Speaker 05

  Like, I grilled at the beginning of the pod. I thought we were gonna like, warm up into this.

• 22:53Fred Taylor?

  Hey, RC would never sit like that.

• 22:56Speaker 05

  What about my 24 karat white gold pendant?

• 22:59Fred Taylor?

  You know what, don't think. That's actually kind of hard. Also, too, who put that together for you?

• 23:02Speaker 05

  I did that shit like 20 minutes ago.

• 23:05Fred Taylor?

  Everything minus the tube sock.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, the tube sock's a little crazy. I didn't know what color to go in.

• 23:10Fred Taylor?

  No, seriously, I guess the bigger question.

• 23:12Speaker 05

  To your, I think it was a great question. It's like, if you weren't a comedian, would you?

• 23:16Fred Taylor?

  And being able to say.

• 23:18Speaker 05

  So I think, I definitely think that comedians take more creative liberties, you know, just like a filmmaker would take more creative liberties, or like a TV show writer would take more creative liberties. Like, the relationship with people on any of our favorite TV shows is more exaggerated than like in a relationship in real life, for example. Like, two neighbors, they're not gonna get into screaming matches in the hallway. Usually you don't even talk to your neighbors, frankly, you know what I mean? But in the TV show, it's like, oh, this is gonna be fun if it's contentious. So, I think comedians in that way, we are like, kind of like, playing with that line. It's definitely something I've liked to do my whole career. And I think the reason is probably comes from like, um, I wanna feel like the laughs are earned.

• 24:01Speaker 05

  So if I say something that's like, and we've all seen people do this all the time, like pandering, like they go up there, like, "Give it up for God."

• 24:07Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 24:08Speaker 05

  It's like, what am I supposed to do, boo? You know what I mean? Like, so it's like, and then like, or they'll say shit like, "Ladies, y'all are the smartest," or something like that, or like, "Man, we're so [__] dumb." And it's like, it's a little bit more pandering. To me, I'm like, I don't know if the joke earned the laugh, or those people are just kind of agreeing. So, in my life, in my career, kind of what I've done is I've taken topics that are like, very edgy, potentially edgy, that's like, word is overused, and then spoke on that, and often things that people disagree with on the premise, but if I'm funny enough, I can get you to flip.

• 24:42Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 24:42Speaker 05

  And the process of that, like, when I'm working it out in a comedy club for months, it bombs, it gets bad reactions. People are like, "That joke's up, that's offensive," like, the exact thing that like, you guys reacted to what I said on that podcast. And then after like, months, it's like, oh wait, that's clever, that's good. Or sometimes you just throw the joke away 'cause it's not there. But it's this like, process of like, slowly refining and refining and refining and getting the joke good. Like, a joke is a statue, and a podcast is like, throwing around lumps of clay. And sometimes the lump of clay looks good. Like, I'm sure you guys experience this all the time. You're [__] around, you're saying some shit about a game or whatever like that, and then it broadcasts to millions of people, and then one of the players sees it and they're like, "Yo, why the [__] are you talking about me like that? That's crazy."

• 25:26Speaker 05

  Like, "Man, I didn't even meet..." You had that shit with Ty, whatever, when you called him a stripper. Tua, yeah, with Tua. Yeah, and then like, I'm sure you were just like, "Man, I'm hanging out with the boys. I'm gonna say this, watch it." Like, and I bet if he was in the room and you said it, he's dying laughing. Yeah. Because, and you would've said it if he's in a room, and you would've been ripping him. He'd be like, "Man, whatever, I'm just eating good," or whatever. Like, it's fun, but once the internet gets a hold of it, now it looks like you're bullying this guy, and like, he wasn't in on it, and he's reacting to the reactions. When in reality, if he was right in the room, you would've said the exact same thing, and he would've known your intention was laughter. Right. Right? And it gets back to our intention thing, which doesn't matter. It just matters how it makes people feel. So I think the thing is, like, comedians, we're looking for that often boundary, or

• 26:11Speaker 05

  we're looking to like, push that thing. And, um, maybe a non-comedian wouldn't have said that in that moment. Right. But I think that like, a comedian, we gotta shoot. Like, I gotta shoot. And I think Patrice O'Neal is like, the greatest of all time, to me. He's like, "You can't take away our right to shoot." Because once we stop shooting, we only shoot layups, we only shoot the shots that we know that are gonna go in, the art form falls apart. We gotta take these risks, and it's like, you would hope that people give you leeway, but you can't make them give you leeway. And that's like, a really important thing. People are entitled to, like, you being, like, offended by it, that's okay. That's just, if I'm at the comedy club and I see that reaction, I go, "I gotta get this

• 26:57Speaker 05

  joke better." If I'm saying it and it's crushing, I'm like, "Okay, this is in a good place."

• 27:32Speaker 05

  I got this joke about, this is an old time, but here's an example of like, I'm not Mexican at all. But like, there's a joke about like, who built the pyramids in Egypt? And everybody's like, was it the Jews, is it the aliens, who built the pyre? And then, I go, there's also pyramids in Mexico, and nobody questions who built those.

• 27:50Speaker 05

  Right? Like, we know Mexicans did that shit, right? Like, easily, you know? So, and now it's playing off this stereotype, right? Obviously there, and maybe the first time I said a version of it, maybe there were Mexicans that were like, wait a minute, are you trying to say all we do is build shit? And then by the end, I see it now used as audio on people's TikToks when they're putting together houses and shit. And they're like, oh yeah, we, this is what, we're nice at working and everybody else can't work like us. You see what I'm saying? But that's what happens when it takes time. So like, I'm in this weird position, like with this joke and other things that I've said throughout my career that mess people up, because I'm like, there's a part of me where I'm like, man, you're right, the joke isn't that good, so it's not like, I can't go, is it the funniest thing ever?

• 28:34Speaker 05

  So I'm really in this position where I'm like, but you gotta let me shoot. Well, actually, you don't have to let me do anything, but like, I wanna keep shooting, because sometimes, it, when I drain it, it's crazy. Does that make sense?

• 28:46Channing Crowder?

  But, no, no, no, but I was gonna ask, actually, it's funny you bring that, like the stereotype stuff for, like low-hanging fruit.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 28:54Channing Crowder?

  You know, Mexicans work hard, white dudes have small penises, Jewish people are cheap. You know, like, just the stereotypes of it all. And is there, are you-

• 29:02Speaker 05

  All true, what you just said.

• 29:04Channing Crowder?

  But are you like, to the point of like, almost punching down with the jokes more than making it funny?

• 29:12Speaker 05

  That's very important to understand. I don't think anybody's below me. I don't think anybody's above me. I don't think, I don't think anybody's below me.

• 29:19Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, but, but I'm the low-hanging fruit thing, like, a black, a black, a black people in watermelon joke, like.

• 29:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, that is the lowest hanging fruit.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  It actually grows on the ground.

• 29:33Speaker 05

  But you say like it's just like. You wrote that one.

• 29:37Speaker 05

  I didn't write that one.

• 29:40Speaker 05

  So here's a perfect example, like, that's just like, alright, we're here, and we're in an environment having fun. If it's four white dudes in a room doing it, that might feel uncomfortable. Yeah. And that was kind of with that situation, which I thought people would see is like, I'm not doing that joke in front of like, two white guys in a room, like, I'm doing, there's two black guys in the room as well, like, I thought they would communicate like, hey, there's good faith here, no, there's no real animosity, or like hatred, or any of that kind of shit, but, back to your saying, I think that there's like, sometimes there's like stereotypes that are like low hanging fruit, but sometimes there's like really clever things that you could say that play off of those things. So like, Mexicans working hard, you could go, this is like a cultural attribute, right?

• 30:23Speaker 05

  I don't think anybody refutes that. And then I'm like, okay, how can I justify this in like some cool historical way? Not like a, oh yeah, they can sell all these things, or they can build this, I'm like, what can I do that like, not only taps into the Mexicans building the pyramids, but also like, it taps into people not thinking Jews can work hard. Because when they say the Jews built the pyramids, people are like, man, aliens did it, man, there's no way.

• 30:51Speaker 05

  There's no way that like seven fucking guys dressed like me are building a pyramid.

• 30:58Speaker 05

  But when they say Mexicans did, people are like, yeah, that adds up, right? So there's all this like, there's all this like, to me, again, I don't like getting into that shit, but like, there's all this cool like kind of little fun nuance, and it's playing into people's thoughts, like, I'm not injecting the thought in you, you already think it. Does that make sense? It's like, it's already in there, so sometimes I don't even have to say it. That's what a stereotype is. Sure, of course. Yeah. And but not every joke has to do with like stereotypes, like, like sometimes just like, understanding culture is really fun for me. Like, anytime I go to a different country, or like, or place to perform, and it could be like a state in America, I'm like trying to understand, like, okay, what makes these people tick? What are they annoyed by? What are they really proud of? Like, what are they proud of?

• 31:41Speaker 05

  But it's actually kind of silly, and they all know it's silly, you know what I mean? Like, this is not even jokes, but I would just remember like, Even with Fred, like, I just, like, the only reason people play with the Jaguars and Madden is because of you. Like, there's no other, like, you know what I'm saying? There's no other reason. And it's twofold. It's like, we knew you, obviously, New York, obviously, prolific football player, but because of the fabulous line.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:05Speaker 05

  Right? And, so it's like, there's all these, like, little tiny things that are going on, and you're like, how do I sew these things together? Every new piece of information I have, I'm like, working on it, like, okay, I'm hanging out with these guys. What am I dressed like? What do I look like? I don't actually look like Ryan, like, I'm in the outfit Ryan would wear, but I look like a crooked agent. And I'm like, oh, didn't somebody steal from you? I look like fucking Tony Banks. You know what I mean?

• 32:30Ryan Clark?

  Oh, you came ready?

• 32:31Fred Taylor?

  He came back around.

• 32:32Ryan Clark?

  You came ready?

• 32:33Speaker 05

  This is how, like, this is how, like, my brain, like, starts to, like, pick up little pieces of information. And like, that joke was, there's some pieces of information that got picked up, and it just wasn't funny enough. But like, that's how my brain goes. It's like, oh, how can I flip this? How can I use that angle?

• 32:48Ryan Clark?

  So here would be my question. If we're in the airport together, right? You can tell who everybody thinks we are by the way they speak to us.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  Oh, tell me that.

• 32:57Ryan Clark?

  Right, so if they meet Fred, like, whoever meets him, if it's an auntie, like, an old black woman, she all over him. Right, like, you gotta damn near stand in between it, because Fred's the sex symbol of the show. Right, he talks, he speaks in a low voice, he's mysterious. He don't, he don't say a lot, right? So Fred, so when they walk up on, every time you walk through the airport, every old black woman's like, you tell Fred I say hello.

• 33:19Speaker 05

  No.

• 33:20Ryan Clark?

  Every time. Am I lying, Fred? Am I lying? That's the real. And then so then Chan, everybody wants him to joke. Like, they want him to joke, or they want him to tell some story about being dressed in a furry outfit, trying to get taken advantage of.

• 33:32Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, your stories are crazy for the sex part. I mean, that, I remember that was going viral, and it was insane.

• 33:37Ryan Clark?

  And all this is me, they wanted to debate sports.

• 33:39Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 33:40Ryan Clark?

  Right, they wanted to debate sports when they see me. And so my question for you would be, right? Because you're talking about how all these jokes play, and the little pieces of it. What would be the point where the comedian shuts off, and you're just Andrew Schulz?

• 33:53Speaker 05

  You know, it's weird, it's like, having a kid, that starts to happen, like, I have... I like think about people's kits like I was doing some research on the pod and I found out like one of your kids is in fashion design, right? And I was like, and me and I was like, oh no, does like, do they design his suits? Did I make like, I had this like this, and I like, even now, I'm thinking about like, oh my God, like the suits don't look bad like, and I, I thought about this kid looking at, watching the pod and like seeing me tease this thing that they worked really hard on. And then I thought about you as a dad, maybe you don't even fucking like the suits, but you love your kid so much, you're like, I'm gonna wear these stupid suits with the pin, and you don't even wanna wear this shit, but you got to, like, it's when your wife buys

• 34:37Speaker 05

  you a necklace or something, you're like, alright, I'm wearing this dumb shit, you know what I mean? Like, but like, so that, that's how my brain works. So I'm like, oh, so there are these moments where I feel bad. Like, obviously, when we did the roast of Tom, like, they said, like, hey, don't say anything about his kids. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not saying anything about your kid. My kind of rules are like, if, if your family didn't ask for this, if they're not in the public eye, then they're kind of off. Like, I'm not talking about somebody's wife who never wanted to be famous, or never wanted to be part of this. Now, the Kardashians wanna be famous, so now you're part of all this. But if you're like, some innocent kid, like, so I'll turn it off there.

• 35:17Ryan Clark?

  Not even, not even like, turn it off, Andrew, as like, okay, this may be off limits to joke about. If I'm watching you on anything, if I'm in a room with you anywhere, should I always expect that everything you say is a joke?

• 35:33Speaker 05

  No, and that's a good point, too. Because I think what a lot of people are realizing right now is like, there are comedians who aren't funny, and they say things that are not funny, that just come across as fucked up, and they might be able to use the, I'm a comedian, as protection for that.

• 35:51Speaker 05

  And then I see the public going, "Wait, you're not just allowed to say offensive racist shit just because you're a comedian." Right? And that is, that's why I keep saying like, people are allowed to react however they want to react. It doesn't give them carte blanche. Like if somebody says a joke and it like really makes people feel bad, that you're, you're not wrong. Like you feel however you want to feel. But I would say like, most of my conversations with people are pretty serious. I don't want to say serious, but like, I try to get to some truth. And then when you're at the truth, or whatever that is, like, once we're having a real conversation, then funny always comes out. Like you were dead serious when you were talking about low hanging fruit. And then it ended up being funny.

• 36:34Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  Right? Like, it was like, you were like having a serious moment. And I feel like that's when, that's when I laugh the hardest. Not when it's just, "Hey, we're trying to just do this like flippant misdirections," but more like, "You're trying to get somewhere with me." And it's so serious that we're both locked in. And then this funny thought enters, either enters your brain or my brain.

• 36:55Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  And then it happens.

• 36:57Channing Crowder?

  Like you read the Wikipedia and all, we do research as well.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  For sure, for sure.

• 37:00Channing Crowder?

  Like, mom and dad, business owners.

• 37:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, they dance lessons.

• 37:05Channing Crowder?

  I really, yeah, own dance, own dance, own dance studio.

• 37:08Speaker 05

  Mom was the champ though.

• 37:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  Three times.

• 37:10Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 37:11Speaker 05

  Mom, three time champ.

• 37:12Channing Crowder?

  Three times, US ballroom dance champion. She ain't wear that, she ain't wear that Peter Herman outfit you got on.

• 37:20Channing Crowder?

  But, like, the funny, like, all she just said, like, "I'm the guy that people, bro, it'll be 6 a.m. And people walk around the corner and see me and they start smiling because they, "What are you gonna say?"

• 37:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:32Channing Crowder?

  And we've talked about on the show where,

• 37:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, what do they, they walk up to you and what do they say?

• 37:35Channing Crowder?

  They want me to tell a joke.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  Like, "Waka Flocka, tell us about something."

• 37:40Channing Crowder?

  But, but, bro, I think, I think comedians are,

• 37:43Speaker 05

  I actually never thought about that, but.

• 37:44Channing Crowder?

  I like Waka Flocka.

• 37:45Speaker 05

  Pretty spot on right now.

• 37:46Channing Crowder?

  I laid my head down in the car.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  It is pretty spot on right now.

• 37:49Channing Crowder?

  I thought about it when he said, I was like, "I laid my head down." Gator, some goddamn material. But, but, no, I think the funny guys,

• 37:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:59Channing Crowder?

  It was created in, I don't think it's like nurture nature.

• 38:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:02Channing Crowder?

  What in your life made you want to enlighten rooms like that? Because looking at the path, it seems, oh, you lived the great all-American life. But I think I was created by parents getting divorced. You know what I'm saying? Living by myself, single mother. She's upset, my sister's, arguments and all. And now I need to go make people laugh. Because around me is chaos.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think that's a really astute observation just about yourself. Like, you developed a skill to kind of deal with existing trauma. And it's probably like a lot of comedians, like, dealing, how are you coping with this thing? You know, you've got a lot going on, like, you know, you ever meet like somebody kind of, like, the fat? Fat people are kind of funny. And it's like, they gotta be. Or else they're this fat just sitting in a room, like, taking up all the oxygen. You know what I mean? So they need to be.

• 38:54Channing Crowder?

  I'm not allowed to say that. Breathe it loud. Last shows.

• 38:59Channing Crowder?

  Hey, they're gonna be like, Andrew Schoes gets the last laugh. The pivot no longer on YouTube. Hey, where's my camera? Fat people, chase me.

• 39:10Channing Crowder?

  Right, it's over.

• 39:11Speaker 05

  It's a wrap.

• 39:11Channing Crowder?

  No, no. I ain't laughing.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  But like, but yeah, like, all the stuff you're going through. Like, I even imagine like the racial dynamic, like, trying to figure out, like, are you black enough around your black friends? Are you only black to your white friends? Are you white to your black friends? Like, there's a lot of different circumstances you gotta emotionally manage at a young age. And the quickest way to manage a lot of those things is just making people laugh. Like, it just kind of desensitizes everything.

• 39:37Channing Crowder?

  But the first thing, I tell a joke about that. I say, "Treat me like a white man." Because I'm 50/50, from half-black, half-white. So when I walk in a room, treat me like a six-foot-three white man with dreads and tattoos. And I joke about it, like, "Why are you looking at me like a black man?"

• 39:51Speaker 05

  But what is that tree? Like, how would we treat a 6'3" white guy with dreads and tattoos?

• 39:58Channing Crowder?

  I say that, like, and so I do, I do, I do, I do jokingly walk that line. But what was your, what's your trauma? Why did you have to make people laugh?

• 40:08Speaker 05

  That's, that's an interesting one. I think that, like, I think there's multiple components. And I don't always think it's trauma. I think a lot of times with comedians, like, that can be helpful. But I know a lot of people who deal with trauma and they're not funny. They're just like sad. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think that growing up in New York City, I think that... It was the easiest way to connect with people. And we didn't really have a community that was built around like religion. We didn't really have a community that was built around like one culture. It was just, New York was our identity, really. And it was all these kids and this is how we connected with one another is we kind of made fun of each other. That was it. And like, my crew felt immense comfort.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  The only thing that I would say is similar is like the relationship that buddies of mine who are in the military have with their, they're like brothers in the military, where it's just like, anything goes. Because once I know that you'll die for me, I can't think that you have any malice towards me. You know what I mean? So you build up such a level of trust. And that's kind of how we grew up. And I know that's weird for a lot of people. Like, I think a lot of times we take that for granted in New York. We're like, oh yeah, everybody grew up like us. Like, everybody, like, my high school is half Asian. Can you imagine that? Like, can you imagine that?

• 41:26Channing Crowder?

  You definitely weren't the smartest person in the school.

• 41:27Speaker 05

  No, not at all. We were like, stop letting these motherfuckers in. This is supposed to be a public school. How is it? Bro, the crazy thing, it was, it was, half the kids got in off of grades and the other half got in off of like random because it's a public school. And that shit was 50% Asian. And we know who got in off the grades. Like, it was, it was unbelievable.

• 41:50Channing Crowder?

  I do have a question for you, though, right? You told us your sperm doesn't really work well.

• 41:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, it doesn't swim, it's shaped weird. I, you, you guys all have vasectomies? I was watching a clip about that.

• 41:59Channing Crowder?

  But Chan also has his mama's dick.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  Wait a minute. That's so funny. I had a...

• 42:04Channing Crowder?

  Craziest thing.

• 42:05Speaker 05

  Bro, I used to tell a joke about, because my dad has this huge dick and I was like, I was like waiting to grow into it. Yeah, dude, we got our mom's dick, bro. It's fucked up. It's fucked up.

• 42:17Channing Crowder?

  But when I saw my dad...

• 42:19Speaker 05

  Fred don't know nothing, dude.

• 42:19Channing Crowder?

  My dad's a six foot four black dude. And when I saw this baby leg fall out one time, I was like...

• 42:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're waiting for it.

• 42:26Channing Crowder?

  What the hell? I thought it was gonna, and I'm 21, 22, and I'm like, I'm never gon', when is this gonna grow?

• 42:33Speaker 05

  I used to hold my breath, try to push it out. I'd be like...

• 42:40Speaker 05

  Damn near shit at myself trying to get two centimeters.

• 42:45Ryan Clark?

  You said your sperm doesn't, it's...

• 42:47Speaker 05

  My sperm doesn't really swim that well. It's like shaped weird, like it's all fucked up. It's bad.

• 42:52Ryan Clark?

  Really?

• 42:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:53Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he said he was sitting in there and he said, told his wife, "You are perfectly fine." And he was like, "Well damn, what's the issue then?"

• 42:59Speaker 05

  He was like, "I couldn't believe..." Because we all like, I imagine you're coming up, you can't ever think that there's something wrong with your sperm. You know what I mean? Like, you guys all got kids.

• 43:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  Easy, right?

• 43:09Ryan Clark?

  Very easy.

• 43:10Speaker 05

  Easy, like, too easy.

• 43:12Ryan Clark?

  Too easy.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Not on purpose.

• 43:14Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 43:14Speaker 05

  So I'm growing up with these stories of like athletes having kids. And in my mind, you know, everybody who's not an athlete thinks they're an athlete, right? You guys are aware of this?

• 43:22Ryan Clark?

  A hundred percent.

• 43:23Speaker 05

  Okay, okay. And like, when you guys play pickup against us or some shit, like, we then learn the difference. You know, but before that, we're sizing you guys up and we're like, "Man, I'm crossing this..."

• 43:35Speaker 05

  We are, like, in our brains, like, you guys look regular, you know? And then we're on the court and it's a different thing and it sucks, whatever. Uh, but, so yes, I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna get every girl pregnant. I was like stressed like for decades. Like, I'm hooking up with girls, I'm like, we're getting plan Bs, like, I was telling Shannon this shit. I was like, "Remember the last scene of Fresh Prince when he's just in the living room, but there's no furniture or nothing? That's what a plan B looking like in every girl that I've hooked up with."

• 44:02Speaker 05

  So they no sperm there.

• 44:03Ryan Clark?

  What the fuck you want me to do with this? Shit already cleaned out.

• 44:11Speaker 05

  So, so yeah, it was like, bro, it's, at first it hurts, man, like, at first, at first I started wondering if like my wife would stop being attracted to me on like some primal shit. So you have that like initial feeling, and I think I was like probably like sensitive and like defensive about shit, like, because I don't know how, like, I'm just watching nature documentaries and like, once like the alpha chimpanzee no longer could fight, like, the, the girls kind of are like, "All right, whatever, I don't gotta fuck him anymore." So I'm like, like, "What's going on? Do I have to go to the gym?" Like, you know? Then you kind of get through that shit. And then, you know, we spoke to the doctor. At first, I just wanted to beat it. And I was like, "I could get you, prayer, don't listen to what they think. I'm gonna get one in there."

• 44:52Speaker 05

  And like, I mean, this is like a lot, but like, we would do it and then I would hold their legs up. So it's like, they might not be swimming.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  To shake it down.

• 45:01Speaker 05

  But yeah, it's just, you just get to the...

• 45:06Speaker 05

  Like before you put sugar in your coffee.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  Like, "You don't need a swim. We just need one, okay? There's a billion of these useless motherfuckers in my balls, and we just need one, okay?"

• 45:23Speaker 05

  So, so we do that, and then, um... Then what you realize very quickly is like, your ego could really hurt somebody. And as much as I wanted to get her pregnant for my own ego, every month that she wasn't would be like heartbreaking. And then, the doctor essentially was like, "Listen, if you guys can afford it, and if, you know, sometimes it's a lot easier on the relationship." He's like, "You guys can keep trying. It's normal for people to not have success immediately, for us regular folks, not you guys."

• 45:55Speaker 05

  Submachine guns inside all of you. This is unbelievable. So, the fact that all you guys individually had a point in your life where like, "I gotta get these cut off, bro. I'm, I'm a weapon out here."

• 46:09Speaker 05

  "I'm dangerous, bro. I don't know what I might do."

• 46:13Speaker 05

  The fact that you guys had to think that is so foreign for me.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  I still look at it, and I'm like, "Come on, guys."

• 46:23Fred Taylor?

  That's how it feel to run 99 yards and fumble at the one. You see the guys when they run through the end zone and they drop the ball like this? I gotta keep going.

• 47:03Fred Taylor?

  But no, on some real shit though, Andrew. Cause you're from, you got a psychology background.

• 47:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:09Fred Taylor?

  Was it psychology when you said RC was clout chasing? Was it like a reverse psychology?

• 47:14Speaker 05

  No, you know what it was? It was my genuine, no, it was my genuine reaction, which I think is like, I think kind of like is informed by some insecurity. Like, I'm sure you guys are going through this now, you guys do this big show and like, people can eat off of you.

• 47:29Fred Taylor?

  Correct.

• 47:29Speaker 05

  So like, people can do little reaction videos and they have all these hot takes. It's like, it's so funny, it's like, everything, there's a sports center for a sports center for a sports center. It's like, we're reacting to shit, there's people reacting to us reacting to shit, there's people reacting to them reacting to us reacting, it's like, it just is a never-ending thing. So I think I'm like, I was used to that. And also, I didn't know how you guys put out content, so when it first came out, like, I looked for the full episode, cause I don't like to react to just a clip of something. I'm like, alright, well, maybe there's more context. And there was no full episode. So I was like, did they just all meet up?

• 48:08Speaker 05

  To say I'm racist? What the fuck is going on? What in the world, what in the world is happening?

• 48:17Fred Taylor?

  A reverse, that's a reverse lynching.

• 48:19Speaker 05

  That's exactly. That's good. See? That's a dark joke, that's a good joke. That is fucking good. So yeah, so I'm like, holy shit. And that's, that was my knee-jerk reaction. And then, when we were texting, you explained like, that you had like, a lot of people hit you up. And I'm sure these people, maybe, actually, I'm not sure, like, maybe some of them familiar with me, maybe they weren't. And they were just like, hey, you have a platform, you're an important person in our, you know, world, and it would be great if you defended us about this. And it's hard to look at those people that you care about and be like, nah, Giants are playing, you know, or we gotta interview this person, so.

• 48:55Fred Taylor?

  And I think though, I think it's like, the same way you do everything though, it wasn't, like, nobody asked me to defend, they just said, hey, what's your reaction to this?

• 49:03Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 49:04Fred Taylor?

  You know, and it brought me back to your point though, you said, there's like,

• 49:09Ryan Clark?

  The initial reaction.

• 49:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:11Ryan Clark?

  Or the initial topic or segment. Someone reacting to that. And so, how have you adjusted to that, though? Because you have the mindset of, okay, people are entitled to their feelings.

• 49:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:24Ryan Clark?

  Right? And you are in a place to where you're famous. Right? And people are gonna react to what you say.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:33Ryan Clark?

  And I'm sure, I'm positive, I know for a fact, I wasn't the only person that reacted.

• 49:38Speaker 05

  Of course not. Of course not. You guys just have like, a really big platform.

• 49:42Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 49:42Speaker 05

  And your platform is, I'm not telling you guys anything you don't already know, but it's influential. And like, I think people watch it and any kind of, I think you can like, start, I won't say start, but like, you definitely have influence, for sure. And like, your opinions matter.

• 49:59Ryan Clark?

  So how do you deal with people reacting to your jokes? Or to the things you say harshly? Do you feel like there's,

• 50:09Speaker 05

  I usually don't.

• 50:09Ryan Clark?

  Do you feel like you always have to respond to those things?

• 50:12Speaker 05

  Oh, I mean like, not, not, no. I, I almost never respond. I probably should address certain things more. Because sometimes people can like, I'm not saying you guys did this, but like, I'm sure you guys experienced, like, people just make shit up. Like, they'll just say, like, I can't imagine what they're doing with you guys about, they're like, oh, but this person doesn't like this, or all this other nonsense. And you guys are in the group chat just going, where do these people get this shit? And then it's like, well, it makes money. They make videos and then they get paid off the videos. That's what it is. So usually I don't, like, maybe I should address trends better. Like, Charlamagne is the best at it. Like, Charlamagne is just like, he can like, address something without even acknowledging the person that he's addressing. So they get no clout. They get no response. But the trend, the thing that's out there in the world,

• 50:57Speaker 05

  gets the response from him. But he's also just the best to ever do it, at talking into a microphone. So, like, that, that's like, I think, the most sophisticated way of like, going about it. I gotta probably get better at that. But like, my initial reaction is going, like, I'll tell you what my, my, you wanna know what my initial reaction is? Which I think is kind of unfair. But my initial reaction was, when I saw you guys talking about it, and I was like, okay, he, he wants to protect black women, and this is very important. And then I looked on every one of the episodes that you had, to see if there was any guys on here that beat up black women.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  And there were. And I looked to see if you guys addressed it on the pod. And you didn't.

• 51:40Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  Now, I also saw you guys had the episode with Deandre's mom. Talking about domestic violence. So I was like, okay, this is good and this is powerful. This is important. But my knee jerk reaction was. Man, I get a whole. Section that's not even part of an episode. And these guys who we know of actually like. For like a joke. And these guys who have actually like hurt black women. And convicted, not allegations, because I don't go off of allegations. I go off conviction. Everybody can get an allegation. It means nothing. And then these guys, they don't get anything. So in that moment, I was like, this feels like a clout play. It doesn't feel like the the highest priority is protecting. These women. So that was my initial reaction.

• 52:20Ryan Clark?

  So I'm gonna say this.

• 52:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:21Ryan Clark?

  We have had people on this show. That have been convicted for domestic violence. That have pulled it out of the show.

• 52:28Speaker 05

  That have pulled it out of the show.

• 52:28Ryan Clark?

  That that I have asked about it.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  Oh, and then they're like, I don't want it on the show.

• 52:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and I do because people come on our show voluntarily.

• 52:36Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 52:36Ryan Clark?

  I do ask those questions in respectful ways. Right? I'm not, hey, man, you're a woman beater, but I will say like. In one of the instances that was poor, I said, look, you know, you were convicted of something that no man. Wants attached to his name.

• 52:49Speaker 05

  Amen.

• 52:50Ryan Clark?

  And they initially, they answered it. We talked to their people. I was like, man, the answer was good, like. And they pulled it out of the show. So we've had that. We've had that happen. We also had an instance with one of our guests who was talking about sexual assault. And he talked about it in a way that almost said that, okay. How do we blame the women? And I addressed that as well.

• 53:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:13Ryan Clark?

  So as far as for me. I try to address it in every opportunity.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  Right.

• 53:18Ryan Clark?

  That I get a chance to with them. I try to ask them questions in ways that they get to. Tell their side of the story.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:25Ryan Clark?

  When they sit with us, I do not bash them over the head with it, condemn them. Or judge them in the moment.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:32Ryan Clark?

  I do try to have a conversation about it.

• 53:34Speaker 05

  We're all like hypocrites, like nobody's perfect. Do you know what I mean? Like we've. I've had people on the pod, like. I've had a president on the podcast, like. Like, nobody's killed more people than a president. You know what I mean? Like anybody who sat down, if you sat down with Obama. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead because of decisions that he thought were in the best interests of America, right? Same thing if you sat down with Clinton, you sat down with anybody, right? Like, buddy, I did a buddy of mine's podcast and he brought up the fact that I had Alex Jones on my podcast. He did one of the most heinous things in history where he said that those kids were faking it at that school shooting. Remember that? Like, that's a heinous, yeah, Sandy Hook. I mean, disgusting, heinous. I had a buddy of mine, I went on his podcast and he was like, "I can't believe you did that." That was like so [__] up, like what he did to those kids. And I was like, "You visited the Pope."

• 54:21Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? Like, they were protecting people [__] kids. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, you had the opportunity to go meet them and you're like, "I'll do that." And like, they were literally protecting priests that were having sex with children. Like, I can't think of any, like, so there, we can always find the moral equivalency or the moral high ground, which was a thing that I did with you guys. But I hesitated to like go out and talk about that publicly. This is why I did, is because the point of that is not to protect those women or to protect the children. The point of that is to make you feel bad or me feel good. And now we're using victims as a tool. I don't want to do that.

• 55:07Speaker 05

  So it might make me feel good in the moment for me to go out and like go and talk on the pod and yada, yada, yada. But I was like, I don't, I'm not gonna, I don't want to use them as like a tool for this thing to feel good.

• 55:17Ryan Clark?

  I think the other piece of it is-

• 55:19Speaker 05

  So I made fun of your outfit.

• 55:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and that was, that was, I liked it, because I'm glad, I was glad I was in the group chat.

• 55:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just, I just didn't want to like, I mean, maybe, maybe, I don't know. Maybe it would have been like a justified thing. But also maybe it's like a conversation I could have just had with you on the side, you know? And it, and understood perspective and understood the thought. Like, knowing right now that, you know, you did ask them about that, but you respected their wishes to have it cut. Like, I get that, we had Mr. Beast on for another time. And, and I asked him about all these things that there was a lot of controversy going on. And we did the pod and afterwards he's like, "Dude, can you cut all that shit?" And I was like, "I, I can't put out the episode then, man." Like, just because I feel like it would- I feel like I'm doing this like fluff piece when like.

• 56:04Ryan Clark?

  We're doing that.

• 56:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, so it's like, we all are gonna figure out what those things are. So I don't begrudge anybody for doing that. I don't begrudge you, but I think in that moment, I just wanted that like, I just wanted revenge. Or I just wanted to be like, ah, you're making me look dumb. Well, here, let me make you look dumb, which I think is like the most childish version of this shit. So I tried not to do that.

• 56:26Ryan Clark?

  No, I respect that and I think, you know, we go through it when the video came out with Diddy. Right, and Cassie.

• 56:34Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 56:34Ryan Clark?

  Right, I thought, like, I didn't care what color he was. Like, I thought it was a bitch move.

• 56:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:39Ryan Clark?

  Right, and I was very vocal about that. And then from my community, obviously, I get, well, you're just a black man that wants to tear another black man down.

• 56:49Speaker 05

  Oof.

• 56:49Ryan Clark?

  Right, and, but my thing was, no matter what color the man is, you don't put your hand on a woman.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, I agree.

• 56:55Ryan Clark?

  And so there's all of these things that I think, right now, as we have this platform, Andrew, too, that happen in the moment, right? There, there, you know, the same way you say Charlamagne addresses the trends the best. Right, as you know, in our business now, it's like people want to hear about what matters to them in that moment. Right, you don't, you don't go back and grab something from 20 years ago unless the video comes out.

• 57:21Speaker 05

  Right.

• 57:22Ryan Clark?

  Right, you know what I mean? And so, and so like, that's kind of the piece of it, too. When you, when you sit with people, it's, okay, how does the way I interview this person, or deciding to interview them or not injure the people, or further traumatize the people they have already injured?

• 57:40Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 57:41Ryan Clark?

  And, you know, and so it's definitely dealing with those things. And even you bringing it up, like, it's something like I battled with.

• 57:47Speaker 05

  I can imagine.

• 57:48Ryan Clark?

  When they wanted, when they asked to take it out the show, you know, I was in the place of like, man, F the show. Like, you know, so I get it, what you're saying.

• 57:55Speaker 05

  You know, obviously, you guys aren't new to this. You've been doing this, this a while, but like, as you find success, there's certain things you do that are successful, they'll hit. And there are certain things that like, you really love doing on the pod. There's a thing that you guys really love doing, but maybe it didn't hit as much. How do you battle between the thing that is working and the thing that is like authentically pure to you guys?

• 58:17Fred Taylor?

  It's out of our control, just knowing that. We just did a beautiful show with Jelly Roll. It was an amazing show.

• 58:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:25Fred Taylor?

  You know, after a day, seventy, eighty thousand views.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:28Fred Taylor?

  It was a great, the content was amazing.

• 58:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:31Fred Taylor?

  You know, it's gonna touch a ton of people, but

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:33Fred Taylor?

  it's out of our control. And we felt that it was an amazing show. Whereas you do a show with someone else and the, uh, the depth of it might not be what we think. But then

• 58:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:44Fred Taylor?

  it floats around everywhere. So I think just knowing that what we control and what we don't control.

• 58:50Speaker 05

  I think there are a lot of people that are victims of the algorithm. Meaning like the algorithm is telling them what to create and they don't even realize it.

• 58:59Fred Taylor?

  Hmm.

• 59:00Speaker 05

  And I think that like putting out good work that is authentic to you is knowing that sometimes it's gonna go crazy and sometimes it's not. But it is the thing you wanna do. And I think there's longevity in that. And I think chasing the algorithm is short-term gains, in my, in my personal opinion. And you lose your authenticity, right? It's like

• 59:23Ryan Clark?

  There was also too, like, I'll be honest, you know, you mentioned it, like, we wanted you on the show before.

• 59:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:29Ryan Clark?

  Right? And in coming up to like this show.

• 59:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:32Ryan Clark?

  Right? And, and sitting with you, I had the conversation with myself, like, okay, like, I have his number now.

• 59:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:38Ryan Clark?

  Right? What does sitting with Andrew look like from the outside?

• 59:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:45Ryan Clark?

  Right? In, in, in the sense of on, on my side, is it, is it okaying what people thought I was against? Or people feel I stood up against? Now am I saying it's okay? And I think the biggest thing I like to talk about and, and do is if I don't have a conversation with people to truly know where they're standing, I never learn.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  Dude, I think that good faith conversations are what media is missing right now. I think there's a lot of like dunk content, you know, like that you're debating on some news show and the two people are just on different sides of the political aisle or whatever it is. And they don't actually care about each other. They're just trying to prove their point. And, I mean, that's why I wanted to come on. I was just like, obviously, we were texting and it was like, nice to text, but, but I also just wanted to like, hear your guys' thoughts and like, understand the perspective, and that informs my decisions. If you asked me five years ago or eight years ago, like, what do you think about people get offended by jokes? They'd be like, "Oh, pussies, why do they go, "Oh, it's just a joke, dah dah dah dah."

• 1:00:53Speaker 05

  Like, my feelings about it have matured and like, become more fully formed. And I think I'm better at comedy because of that. Like, I think I'm, I'm better at communicating because of that. So, anybody that I think that like, has respect for me, if they disagree, like, I want to talk to you. Not anybody's shit, you gotta be like, one of the biggest shows, like, obviously. You know what I mean? But like, but like, and, and if I respect them too, like, I want to have that conversation. And I'm gonna say things that I'm, and I'm gonna probably look back and be like, "Ah, that wasn't a really good answer to that question," and these things, but I'll learn. I'm not afraid to like, learn and go, "Okay, no, that's a good point. Maybe I could've, yeah, maybe I could've seen it from that angle a little bit more."

• 1:01:37Speaker 05

  But I hope I learn, and I know I'll never learn if I stay in like, a little protective bubble. And, and never have convos with people. And it's important to go to your show. Like, having you guys on my show, was, which I would still love to do, but it's still like, a home game. Like, it's, I think it's, you're more vulnerable in a place where you're in someone else's environment. You guys are dictating the interview, and like, I have to react in real time.

• 1:01:59Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 1:02:00Speaker 05

  And you get to find out like, what, what is my honest reaction? Not what I planned for the show.

• 1:02:06Channing Crowder?

  I like that. What's the future of Andrew Schulz? Like, because you know comedians, they do tours, they do shows.

• 1:02:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Channing Crowder?

  They get in the TV, the Martins, the Eddie Murphys, the all, like, what are you, what are you doing moving forward? What do we expect out of you moving forward?

• 1:02:21Speaker 05

  I finished the tour, and then, and now I usually take time off. And like, I let the world impact me and wait till there's something I really care about. And then when I really care about it, I'll start writing about that.

• 1:02:34Fred Taylor?

  But is it a Red Fox? Eddie got in the TV movies like.

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  I would like to make a film.

• 1:02:39Fred Taylor?

  The future of it, man. I know like, I don't know if you're keeping it a secret. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  No, no, not at all. Like, I want to make a film. I want to make a film based on the story from the special. And but I want to like be involved in like the produce like like acting is boring. It's the most boring shit in the world. You're there for 12 hours. Actors are boring. You know how like when you guys get around with each other, it's like we like to argue. It's like who we have the same. I've been having the same fucking arguments with my friends for fucking 10 years, like LeBron or Jordan. And I'll have it for the next 40 years and it's fun and I want to argue with you. I want you to say some shit and I'm going to argue about it and then you say, and then we're going to argue and it's going to be fun. And we're going to make fun of each other's clothes. But actors is all just like yes queening. It's like, yeah, we should. Yeah, it's the best. And yeah, we should totally take that guy down and yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  And I'm just like, can somebody shoot this place up? This is insane, dude. Like, like what is happening? And you're there for 12 hours like. And then when you try to ruffle feathers, they get like all like freaked out, you know? So I would like to make a film, but like that type of problem solving, that type of organization. Writing like learning what it is to make an actor feel like comfortable to get a really awesome performance from them. Like, yeah, like, how do you get the best performance out of somebody like, okay, how does that person want to be coached? You got to let that person do their thing. You can't give them too much information. That person is insecure. You got to make them feel really confident and then you get something special like. Just those types of things would be cool. So I think that next film, yeah.

• 1:04:05Fred Taylor?

  I got two questions. You can answer whichever one you want.

• 1:04:07Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:04:08Fred Taylor?

  Are there any comedians you want to talk shit about? Or?

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  No, dude.

• 1:04:14Fred Taylor?

  You can, you can answer this question.

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  Only Lil Duvall.

• 1:04:18Fred Taylor?

  That's our home.

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  Only Lil Duvall.

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  Duvall is. I'd like, I've, I would say Duvall is like my, my biggest, I've said this before. I try to give him his flowers every single time I can, but he is, he's like the biggest inspiration for me. And everything that I've done comedically has been fruit off of his tree. So like any idea I've had, he's probably already done it on the internet. There are so many people that are copying Duvall without even realizing that they're copying Duvall like. I mean, I mean, you know, just from being around Jacksonville, like just what he does, even for his city. Like, that's another thing that like is really important that I kind of try to remember is like. It's easy to, when everybody is into you, to forget about home. But the people who never forget about home can always be good at home.

• 1:05:05Speaker 05

  Right? Like, and it's just, and it's, it can be seductive to people. They're like, "Oh, I'm gonna go to LA and do it." It's like, "No, no, no." And those people who are just like, "This is home." Like, he's a... Bro, I remember once I went to the Bahamas to go to his place, and I didn't have some, like, visa or something for, like, filming equipment. And I told the, the, the person at customs, I was like, "I'm, I don't know, I'm, I'm going to see little Duval." And then they just went, "All right, go for it."

• 1:05:35Speaker 05

  Can you imagine how much influence that is? Where customs just goes, "All right, it's Duval. You can take some legal shit here."

• 1:05:42Fred Taylor?

  That's true. But no, the real question is, uh, your biggest pivot. So, we always ask our guests, "What's their biggest pivot?" That's that one mo- moment you can go back to?

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:51Fred Taylor?

  Look at it and say, "Without this happening, I wouldn't be who I am."

• 1:05:54Speaker 05

  Yes. Oh, wow. Without the... Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. I mean, this is gonna sound very cliche, but like, I think the, just the role my dad played in my life, like, his commitment to me, like, it was just unrelenting. Like, he was just always there. He was just, eh, for anything. I think when you're a kid and you have that relationship, you kind of think that's what everybody has. You're just like, "That's what it is." He never once was like, "You got it good with me." Like, the goal in life is your kid, at least I hope, with my daughter, she'll never know how much she's loved, 'cause this is just what love feels like. You know what I mean? Like, she's just, "Yeah, yeah, my parents just adore me,

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  and they just want to do everything with me, and, like, they believe in me." Like, "Yeah, that's just what parents do." You know, like, that... So, I would say that, that's the difference maker for me in my life. And it might be cliche to say, but it's like... Yeah, every bit of confidence, every bit of belief, you know.

• 1:06:59Ryan Clark?

  The still of when you found out you were having a girl.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:03Ryan Clark?

  Right, and like that feeling, I wanted, yeah, you had a bad haircut that day.

• 1:07:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was bad, bro.

• 1:07:10Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I wanted to, but I wanted to ask you.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:14Ryan Clark?

  Because, you know, you guys had trouble getting pregnant.

• 1:07:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Ryan Clark?

  And then you finally, you know, your wife had some complications during, you find out.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, she had a C-section.

• 1:07:23Ryan Clark?

  What was that, that feeling though of, like, what was that look expressing when you found out you were having a girl?

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  We found out early that we were gonna have the girl and I was terrified. Cause I think that like, God, it's so funny how we are like, when I, when I thought, I think I naturally just thought it was gonna be a boy. Maybe that's just what men think in general, like, and, um, and I was like, they're going to public school in New York. They're gonna, you know, like, I'm not gonna have one of these like pussy ass private school kids. Like, they're going to school like me, like, they're just gonna be, and the second I had a girl, I was like, I'm not letting her touch a fucking public school. She's going to Catholic school, in Queens or some shit, like, we are protecting this girl.

• 1:08:07Speaker 05

  So that was, that was crazy, but I'll tell you, when, when, when we first got to see her, man, you know, like, seeing someone give max effort is so rare in life. You know, like, and, you know, just labor is just unbelievable. And just seeing my wife like give literally every ounce of energy that she has, like up to feeding the baby. And the second they pulled the baby off, she just passed out. But it's like, it's very rare you get to see someone that you really care about give literally everything they possibly have. And, um, yeah, you just feel so great. I remember in that moment, I told my wife this, but I was like, if this girl ever talks back to you,

• 1:08:52Speaker 05

  I don't know what I'm gonna do to her, but it, I will do something. I'm like, you can't do anything to a girl, but you're like, but you're like, you're like, I will explain what you just went, you know what I mean? Like, in a strong way, or something like.

• 1:09:05Channing Crowder?

  Did you stay in the danger zone or you were?

• 1:09:08Speaker 05

  Behind the curtain, bro. I went up one time, I saw that shit, I was like, oh my God, it looked like a football exploded, bro. It was, it was crazy. I understood why the curtain was there. I mean, it was. Why, did you been there for the?

• 1:09:21Channing Crowder?

  I had three and I, I, I held the leg the whole time.

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  For the C-section?

• 1:09:26Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:09:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, right. C-section is crazy. I was born that way. My parents always tell me about it. My dad said it was the craziest thing.

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  So he saw the whole thing? Holy moly. I mean, it is just, they tell you, don't look. And the second you tell me that, and I was like, well, now I gotta and look. And, uh, no, that was. Oh, God, it's weird. So you were there when the head popped out?

• 1:09:46Channing Crowder?

  Crowning, you see the little head, then it pops out, then the shoulders turn and wiggle out. That's not bad. The afterbirth, that little bag of snot? That's just disgusting. I, I got goofy legs. I swear. I didn't know what faint meant until I had kids. And when I saw that, that, that, the, the second act? Oh, my goodness. I fell. My wife just gave birth, they're putting a cold pack on my head. I was like, this. It's just nasty.

• 1:10:16Ryan Clark?

  And that's when you realized that your mama's dick did the job.

• 1:10:19Channing Crowder?

  Hey, that been work. That been work.

• 1:10:23Ryan Clark?

  Nah, man, I appreciate you being willing, man, to sit down with us, man.

• 1:10:26Speaker 05

  Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate the time, man.

• 1:10:28Ryan Clark?

  That was dope, bro.

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  Appreciate you.

• 1:10:30Channing Crowder?

  Make sure I put my joints on. Fucking suit.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Aw, man.

• 1:10:35Ryan Clark?

  That was little, dawg.

• 1:10:36Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:10:36Ryan Clark?

  Bro, I know you been.

• 1:10:38Channing Crowder?

  He tried to cut that bitch off with scissors.

• 1:10:39Ryan Clark?

  Andrew, I know you been somewhere you had to wear a suit, though, dawg.

• 1:10:42Speaker 05

  Bro.

• 1:10:42Ryan Clark?

  Somewhere.

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's, it was so long ago.

• 1:10:45Ryan Clark?

  You been somewhere you had to wear a suit.

• 1:10:47Channing Crowder?

  Nah, he got, he got a used infection.

• 1:10:49Speaker 05

  What, what'd you wear since, uh? What'd you wear? I had a suit for the Brady one, but it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't RC enough. Like, I felt the double-breasted.

• 1:10:57Ryan Clark?

  That's a me suit.

• 1:10:58Speaker 05

  I'm peeping game, dude.

• 1:10:59Ryan Clark?

  It's a great suit.

• 1:11:00Speaker 05

  It's just. For like a smaller guy.

• 1:11:02Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:03Ryan Clark?

  Did you grow?

• 1:11:04Speaker 05

  So I'm out here, man. I'm eating carbs.

• 1:11:07Ryan Clark?

  You are not out here, dawg. You are not.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  I'm busting out my suit, man.

• 1:11:11Ryan Clark?

  You are not.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  Before this.

• 1:11:41Speaker 00

  There's this.

• 1:11:45Speaker 00

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