EP.254 - JESSICA KNAPPETT WITH MUSIC FROM DAUDI MATSIKO LIVE @ YORK THEATRE ROYAL, 2024

Adam talks with British writer, actor and comedian Jessica Knappett live on stage in York and in the second half, describes his perfect day for Jessica's podcast. There's also music from British Ugandan musician Daudi Matsiko Conversation recorded in front of an audience at the Theatre Royal, York on 28th May, 2024 DONATE TO MSF https://msf.org.uk/adam-buxton-podcast IS OUR GOVERNMENT COMPLICIT IN GENOCIDE? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLN7SrfTeZ4 Short YouTube video by former British diplomat Carne Ross Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell and Becca Bryers for additional editing on this eisode Thanks to our podcast tour crew, especially Ben Saunders, Richard Walsh, Analisa Lembo and Phil Turner Podcast illustration by Helen Green https://helengreenillustration.com/ Pre-order Adam's album 'Buckle Up' https://shop.decca.com/products/buckle-up-vinyl-signed with limited signed artwork Order Adam's book 'I Love You Byeee' https://lnk.to/iloveyoubyeee_ DAUDI MATSIKO LIVE https://www.woodburnermusic.co.uk/events/2025/4/2/daudi-matsiko @ DALSTON CURVE 12th August 2024 ROB AUTON @ EDINBURGH FRINGE, 2025 https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/rob-auton-can-an-hour-long-story PICS AND MORE LINKS https://www.adam-buxton.co.uk/podcasts/82dyw29p3may2fa-dwb79-eycgn-fahgj-8yxba-c6hde-7lne6 (ON ADAM'S WEBSITE) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:01Adam Buxton?

  Hey, how are you doing, Podcats? It's Adam Buxton here. Sorry for the cold open. There's no regular opening theme this week because it's a live podcast episode. This is another one from last year's tour, recorded in May 2024, in front of a sold-out crowd at the Theatre Royal in York, and featuring friends of the podcast, British actor, comedian, writer Jessica Knappett, and British Ugandan musician Dowdy Matsiko, with whom I performed a live, folky version of the intro theme. So let's travel back in time and hear that beginning section before I rejoin you from

• 0:44Adam Buxton?

  this quite wet and windy Norfolk farm track in late July 2025, when I'll tell you a bit more about the podcast and say more of a proper hello. But first, back to York 2024 and my tediously inevitable Jules Holland impression. When will I stop doing it? To help me sing the Adam Buxton podcast intro jingle, please welcome to the stage, welcome to the stage, a marvellous musical talent, all the way from the beautiful city of Nottingham. Please welcome Dowdy Matsiko to the stage, ladies and gentlemen. Dowdy.

• 1:29Adam Buxton?

  Dowdy is not only going to be my house band tonight, he's going to help me sing a couple of jingles, but he's also going to sing one of his own numbers a little later on in this first half. Are you still Nottingham-based, Dowdy?

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Sort of.

• 1:43Adam Buxton?

  Sounds like a no. Whereabouts are you?

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Little How Could Newark on Trent?

• 1:48Adam Buxton?

  Oh.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, Direct Train.

• 1:52Adam Buxton?

  Perfect. Pretty good. Good journey today? Smooth. I sat next to a very twitchy guy. He was a young guy, he looked a bit like an ex-army guy or something. And he was quite hench. He was looking at, um, other henchmen on his phone. His henchmen. I can relate to all of this, yeah. And he kept on sort of doing twitchy exercises. Then he put on some surgical gloves.

• 2:25Adam Buxton?

  This was a packed train from Norwich. And, uh, and then he, he raised his arm like this to do some exercises and I got a waft of some very powerful body odor. Right next to me, but he was twitching away the whole time, God bless him. And just sort of looking around and just not being relaxed and acting so much like someone who was gonna kill everyone.

• 2:52Adam Buxton?

  It was very unrelaxing. And then I thought, Buckles, stop judging this smelly, dangerous guy.

• 3:01Adam Buxton?

  He's probably a sweet person, why not just chat to him? But then luckily we got to Doncaster and I didn't have to and then I changed.

• 3:09Adam Buxton?

  So, how are you feeling about singing a classic intro jingle, Dowie? Pretty good. Now, podcasts, I hope you're gonna join me and Dowie, especially in the section that goes, "I'm a man." And just try and think of it as a non-gender specific bit of musical chanting. And then we'll get going in, in good vocal style. Alright. Here we go.

• 3:41Adam Buxton?

  I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin. Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening. I took my microphone and found some human folk.

• 3:57Adam Buxton?

  Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke.

• 4:03Adam Buxton?

  My name is Adam Buckston, I'm a man. I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. Oh, it's sweet! Pretty tender. Dowie Matsiko!

• 4:23Adam Buxton?

  Hey, welcome back to Late July 2025, out here on my regular Norfolk farm track. And I'm here with Rosie today, even though she is not absolutely thrilled to be out on quite a dreary evening. It's a bit better than it was earlier today. It was really chucking it down, I would say. I hope things improve over in Southwold, not far from here, for this weekend's Latitude Festival. I'll be there at various points, doing a bit of DJing at the Disco Shed on Friday night at 9.30. I think probably clashing with Sting. Maybe I'll get to see the last half an hour.

• 5:08Adam Buxton?

  Anyway, I'm looking forward to DJing and then I'm appearing at the Listening Post tent on Sunday afternoon at 2pm. I'll be talking to Guy Gavi of Elbow. We're just gonna have an informal chat, kind of him interviewing me a little bit, as well as me asking him some questions, but I'll be talking about my album and music in general. And I'll be performing a couple of tracks from the record, Buckle Up, that is, along with my producer,

• 5:42Adam Buxton?

  who also happens to be the mastermind of Metronomy, Joe Mount. It'll be pretty much the first time I have ever performed a song that I've written in public.

• 5:53Adam Buxton?

  And there's no telling which way it's gonna go. If you're not at Latitude, you can still hear the results, because the show will be recorded and released as a podcast for Virgin Radio. They're doing various bits and pieces at Latitude this year. And my slot is one of them. And speaking of great, great music, I've got a new single out this week. I think. I'm really very vague on all this, but I'm pretty sure that a new track from my album Buckle Up is gonna be available to listen to from Friday. It's called Doing It Wrong, available from, I don't know, wherever you get singles these days.

• 6:37Adam Buxton?

  It's a song that started life as the theme tune for a Radio 4 show I did a while back. That show was called You're Doing It Wrong. It was about alternative lifestyles. And anyway, I always liked the way that the theme tune I made turned out. So me and Joe Mount have turned it into something very special. Think LCD Sound System and Talking Heads meets a toddler with a toy keyboard. See what you think. Doing it wrong. I made it for you. It's sort of about trying to be a good person, but going on the internet and finding that you're doing it wrong. But now it's back to last year, 2024, and my live podcast chat

• 7:22Adam Buxton?

  with the brilliant Jessica Knappett. Quick reminder of a few Knappett facts. She was born in Bingley, West Yorkshire in 1984. She's an actor, comedian, writer, singer, as you will hear, a brilliant singer, mother and wife of American filmmaker Dan Crane. She's the creator and star of the sitcom Drifters, one of the stars of Ramesh Ranganathan's TV comedy drama Avoidance. She's the survivor of a dramatic stage fall on Taskmaster. And most importantly, she is a friend of the podcast, having appeared in episode 223 early last year, a great episode. And just a couple of months later, she joined me onstage

• 8:05Adam Buxton?

  in York to talk arguments and couples therapy, a subject that we'd started to waffle about backstage that day, I think. There was also more music from Dowdy Matsiko, who helped me perform another podcast jingle halfway through the podcast. And he also played the title track from his critically acclaimed album, The King of Misery, released in early 2024. Incidentally, Dowdy is playing a show at London's Dalston Curve Garden on August the 12th. You'll find a link in the description, so if you enjoy his music here, do go along and support him. Now, for the second half of the live show in York last year, Jessica asked if

• 8:49Adam Buxton?

  she could turn the tables and make me the guest on what was then her new podcast, Perfect Day. She'd only recorded a few episodes at that point. She continues to make it. As I speak, she's just uploaded episode number fifty-four with comedian Rhys James. And the conversation in the second half of this podcast about my perfect day is an edited version of what appeared in episode thirteen of Jessica's podcast, Perfect Day, which I think also featured some extra waffle from that night, which we recorded in kind of a tiny cupboard backstage after the live show as the audience were filing out. But I thought I would include some of

• 9:34Adam Buxton?

  that stuff in this episode. And Jessica was fine with me doubling up a little bit, especially as hers went out last year. I thought, you know, if you hadn't heard Jessica's podcast, you might enjoy it, and it might serve as an introduction to the rest of the Perfect Day archive. Link in the description. It was the first time, I think, on stage that night that I'd spoken about a few family moments that actually ended up in one of the chapters of my book, I Love You Bye. And in case you're wondering, I do check with my family and ask if they mind me writing about them and talking about them in public.

• 10:13Adam Buxton?

  Although, even if they object, I go ahead and do it anyway. That's a joke, as I hope my family would tell you. Back at the end to say goodbye and give you a Edinburgh Fringe recommendation, and indeed, a recommendation for a talented pet portrait artist who recently gave me a beautiful painting of Rosie. But right now, after the regular ramble chat jingle, let's head back to the Theatre Royal in York in May twenty twenty-four, where Jessica Knappett is about to arrive on stage towering above me in a beautiful blue dress with white polka dots and high-heel white boots. Here we go.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  Ramble chat, let's have a ramble chat. We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that. Come on, let's chew the fat and have a ramble chat. Put on your conversation coat and find your talking hat.

• 11:38Adam Buxton?

  Right now, Jessica Knappi.

• 11:45Adam Buxton?

  Best guest.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  Hello.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Hello.

• 11:49Adam Buxton?

  How's your mic position there, Jess?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  I think it's okay.

• 11:53Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, it looks pretty good to me.

• 11:54Speaker 03

  If you're happy, I'm happy.

• 11:56Adam Buxton?

  Oh, I'm so happy. I couldn't be happier to see you. It's very exciting to be with a tall glamorous woman on a stage.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  And for me too.

• 12:06Adam Buxton?

  I had to really get on tiptoes to give you a hug there.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  I know.

• 12:10Adam Buxton?

  This is an encapsulation of my relationship with my wife. I do have a special microphone that enables me to say my wife. My wife.

• 12:21Adam Buxton?

  That's the my wife mic. But, you know, this is my whole life is that I'm tinkering on silly things on my computer, things that don't really matter in the bigger picture.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  So is this sort of like your kitchen table then, at home?

• 12:36Adam Buxton?

  Not dissimilar. And then my wife comes in. Yeah, a little bit. My wife comes in, she's taller than me as well. In fact, she's kind of the same height that you are. And so I have to stretch right up. She very seldom bends down for me. It's just occurred to me.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  I don't think I bent down for you either.

• 12:57Adam Buxton?

  No, you didn't. No, quite right.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Do you want people to bend for you? You want, you want people to bend the knee?

• 13:05Adam Buxton?

  Yes. I do want a bit more knee bending.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Do you?

• 13:08Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, a little bit. Hey, look, how are you doing? How's life since we spoke?

• 13:12Speaker 03

  Um, really good, actually. Do you know, really good? Because I had a really nice response to being on your podcast. And genuinely, it did change my life a little bit. I'm not joking.

• 13:26Adam Buxton?

  Oh, mate.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  It was such a lovely experience.

• 13:30Adam Buxton?

  How come? How come it was good?

• 13:31Speaker 03

  I talked about things that I had never talked about. I got a bit vulnerable. I talked about my feelings. And talking about your feelings is good, even if everybody hears them. And people got in touch with me and said, "Hey, Jess, it's all right. You don't need to worry about feeling like your sitcom that you made was shit."

• 13:57Adam Buxton?

  It wasn't shit and we didn't say that.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  No, no, I didn't say that. But it was, it was all those sorts of things.

• 14:03Adam Buxton?

  Yes, anxieties and...

• 14:04Speaker 03

  And it felt, and it felt good. Yeah. And, and also then I, I came away from it thinking that I need to sort of do some more things out there in the world.

• 14:14Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Um, and, and so...

• 14:16Adam Buxton?

  Well, I want you to do those things.

• 14:17Speaker 03

  That's why I'm doing a podcast myself.

• 14:20Adam Buxton?

  Yes, you're gonna do a podcast.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:22Adam Buxton?

  Now, hang on one second, Jess. It's just been pointed out to me by my producer, Seamus, who is here.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  Hi, Seamus.

• 14:28Adam Buxton?

  In the wings, that I've got "Live at the Bristol Beacon" written on.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  We feel special, don't we, York? Just cut and paste the next location. We don't care. We're just a cut and paste job to you, aren't we?

• 14:46Adam Buxton?

  I mean, a little bit, yeah, but, uh, you know what? It's so nice to be here, the Bristol Beacon.

• 14:55Adam Buxton?

  What a very unpleasant and aggressive audience here. Anyway, it's nice to be here. But I'm so glad that it was overall a pleasurable experience. Any negative pushback from appearing on the podcast?

• 15:07Speaker 03

  No, no negative pushback, of course not. No.

• 15:11Adam Buxton?

  Nothing from the production company who did Drifters?

• 15:14Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 15:16Adam Buxton?

  No, good.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  And I'm working with them on something new anyway, so that's all right.

• 15:20Adam Buxton?

  Oh. Are you able to say anything about that, or is it too early days?

• 15:24Speaker 03

  It's just early days, but it's about me and my American husband moving back to Yorkshire.

• 15:30Adam Buxton?

  Oh.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  Way.

• 15:32Adam Buxton?

  Good one. A fictitious thing, like a narrative thing, or a...

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not a documentary.

• 15:37Adam Buxton?

  It's not a doco.

• 15:38Speaker 03

  No, it's not a reality TV series, although that, no.

• 15:42Adam Buxton?

  Would you ever do something like that, like...

• 15:44Speaker 03

  If I had to, yeah.

• 15:46Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  If they wouldn't make it as a scripted thing and that was the last thing left to do, yeah.

• 15:52Adam Buxton?

  What about, you know, I always used to watch the Richardson's and think...

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, yeah.

• 15:57Adam Buxton?

  I admire the strength of that relationship, that they can have, that they can have all that banter on screen. Because I do think so much about my relationship with my wife and how it permeates the podcast in a far more low-key way. Obviously, she doesn't appear on the podcast, but she's referenced quite a lot.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  She's got her own catchphrase.

• 16:16Adam Buxton?

  She's got her own mic, yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:19Adam Buxton?

  But I also worry that it's a bit offensive in some way to her that she's maybe not telling me about.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  And it'll all just bubble out, one day you'll just get served the court papers.

• 16:33Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I know, I feel this, because I, I love my husband so much, but I do slag him off for a laugh.

• 16:41Adam Buxton?

  Right.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  A lot. But he says he doesn't mind, but then, yeah, I do sometimes, I think, you sure you don't mind?

• 16:48Adam Buxton?

  Do you slag him off in public?

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Mm, yeah, on television, yeah.

• 16:51Adam Buxton?

  Right. Yes, because, I mean, he is, he's sort of perfect to be slagged, really.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  He deserves it.

• 16:57Adam Buxton?

  Because he's American.

• 16:58Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly.

• 17:00Adam Buxton?

  He, also, he's a robust character. He's very good-looking, he's a fine man, he's a good singer. I was at your birthday party, you did karaoke, and you absolutely smashed it. You were like a sort of super couple of karaoke. It was mad. And, but he was...

• 17:15Speaker 03

  You, but you kicked off, Adam kicked off the karaoke very bravely. Well, it was actually Rocky Oki, we had a whole band.

• 17:23Adam Buxton?

  Right.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  And then they said, "Someone's got to star." And they looked out in the audience and they immediately recognised, and they went, "Adam Buxton, you'll do it." And then you sang, um...

• 17:33Adam Buxton?

  I sang "Daydream Believer" by The Monkees.

• 17:37Speaker 03

  What a great start to a party. Adam Buxton singing "Daydream Believer."

• 17:41Adam Buxton?

  I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I just didn't want to make a big deal out of it, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't, I didn't want to do it.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Didn't you?

• 17:49Adam Buxton?

  No. Can I name-drop some of the people that were in the crowd?

• 17:53Speaker 03

  If you want.

• 17:55Adam Buxton?

  There was, Phoebe Waller-Bridge was there, with her, um, husband, the, um, man. What's he called again?

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Martin McDonagh, the director.

• 18:04Adam Buxton?

  Martin McDonagh, the director who did Banshees of Inisherin and, uh, In Bruges. And all these kind of things. Like, I'm a big fan of both of those people. So it was really quite intimidating to look out there and sing, "Cheer up, sleepy tea."

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Martin McDonagh's taking notes for his next casting session.

• 18:23Adam Buxton?

  Well, Phoebe Waller-Bridge is giving me the breaking the fourth wall stare.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:29Adam Buxton?

  I didn't realise you were quite such a good singer. Maybe later on, towards the end of the show perhaps, I might convince you to sing a thing?

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 18:38Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Well, maybe. Well, we'll see, we'll see how, well, shall we feel the vibe? Shall we read the room? Because they might hate that. They might hate that.

• 18:48Adam Buxton?

  That's a new concept to me, reading the room.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  Okay, we don't have to.

• 18:52Adam Buxton?

  Normally I don't have to read the room because I'm just sat in a house...

• 18:55Speaker 03

  Because you're a man.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  You don't have to.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  It's true, though. Men don't read rooms as well as women. I really think that's true, right?

• 19:14Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. Well, I guess, we were talking earlier, actually, about arguments.

• 19:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, let's go back. Let's row back to the arguments.

• 19:24Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, row back to. Now, for your birthday, I gave you a gift.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  Oh, you did? So nice. By the way, Adam and I had never met until I went on his podcast. Is that right? No, we had met. We'd met once.

• 19:36Adam Buxton?

  Oh, yeah, on Richard Herring's podcast.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  No, I auditioned for your sitcom and I didn't get it.

• 19:41Adam Buxton?

  Dodged a bullet, mate. Dodged a bullet.

• 19:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, so Adam and I became sort of like really good friends just from me going on his podcast. Is that fair to say?

• 19:50Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, I just, I knew it was gonna work, and then as soon as we started chatting, I enjoyed it.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  You didn't know it was gonna work.

• 19:58Adam Buxton?

  I did.

• 19:58Speaker 03

  I've been doing this for years and you've never invited me on. And I don't know why you decided to invite me on, but, you know, 2024 was the year.

• 20:08Adam Buxton?

  I think I decided to invite you on during the lockdown when I saw you on Travel Man.

• 20:14Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 20:15Adam Buxton?

  And I just thought, she's great, and I think this will be really fun to talk to her.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Well, that's nice. But we had met very briefly. And then, anyway, I invited Adam to my birthday party a few weeks after we had hit it off, because Adam then had asked me to do this gig. And he got me a very nice birthday present. Very, very nice. Do you want to know what it was?

• 20:40Speaker 03

  It was a beautiful leather-bound book, beautifully wrapped in tissue paper. And on the front of the leather-bound book, in gold-embossed writing, "Arguments with husband log."

• 20:55Speaker 03

  It is full already!

• 20:59Adam Buxton?

  Do you think you might ever use it?

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, I actually, I've got one brewing.

• 21:04Adam Buxton?

  The argument with wife log is something that I started a while back. And it started out as a joke and then it sort of became real.

• 21:18Adam Buxton?

  Because it was something I would do occasionally and now genuine arguments do go into the log. But then you were surprised by a technique that I deployed in quite a heated argument. This was a while ago. But a few years ago, I remember we had an argument that went to DEFCON 1 quite quickly. And it was just, it was one of those ones that was just getting way out of control. And people were saying things that, it's like, wow, you're saying that. And...

• 21:44Speaker 03

  But what do you, so what's DEFCON for you, though? Like, how, like, how bad does it get? Because I think, I think some people think they're having a really bad argument. Like, I'll sometimes say something to my husband and he'll go, "Stop yelling at me." And I'll think, "I haven't even raised my voice, mate." "You'll know when I'm shouting at you." "You'll know when I'm fucking angry. Right now, I'm calm." You know, that's my kind of vibe.

• 22:07Adam Buxton?

  Yes. Well, do, do, do things ever get to, what's the worst it ever gets around at your gaff?

• 22:11Speaker 03

  I've thrown a pan.

• 22:13Adam Buxton?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:15Adam Buxton?

  Thrown a pan at him.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  But the problem with being married to an American is...

• 22:19Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 22:20Speaker 03

  You throw one pan, you find yourself in couples therapy. And then you really have to talk about your feelings.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  That's the problem.

• 22:30Adam Buxton?

  Did you throw it at the wall?

• 22:32Speaker 03

  No, I threw it on, at the ground. I didn't, genuinely didn't mean to hurt him. I threw it at the ground, but it bounced and it hit his leg.

• 22:39Adam Buxton?

  Oh, okay.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  I was just in a rage.

• 22:41Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then did he make a big deal out of it? "Haha, my leg, you cut my leg."

• 22:47Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, we needed, like, had to get a plaster.

• 22:50Adam Buxton?

  Oh.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Well, it was just like, it just, I genuinely didn't mean to hurt him. I wasn't trying to hurt him. But then we had to go to couples therapy and then he had, he was like, "Tell her what you did."

• 23:00Adam Buxton?

  Oh, man.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  And then, so I said it, and then she kind of thought it was funny. And I was like, I'm on to some, I'm on to a winner here with this one. But the problem with the, I don't, have you ever, have you ever done that?

• 23:14Adam Buxton?

  Couples therapy? No, I've suggested it a few times.

• 23:17Speaker 03

  Have you?

• 23:17Adam Buxton?

  Yep. Not recently, I would hasten to add. But I also heard a lot of stories from friends saying, "Don't go to couples therapy unless you want to get divorced."

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:28Adam Buxton?

  So what would your...

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Well, I, no, I'm not divorced, yet. No, I think it's good, but we, basically, two things happened, because we've been, we've done it twice. The first time we did it, um, she said that we had to start every sentence. If we felt that we had something to complain about, we had to say, we had to make it about our own feelings. We had to say, "I feel

• 23:51Speaker 03

  that you wanting me to stack the dishwasher in that certain way is an overreaction." And so you, you had to say, "I feel", but then what happened was, basically, any time he went,

• 24:06Speaker 03

  "Hey, hey babes", "I feel", and I'd just go, "What? You feel what?" So it just, it made me like, every time I heard him say those words, I was like, "Here it comes." So it didn't really work, because it just triggered me. So we stopped seeing her. And then we went to see another lady when we moved to England, but moved back to Yorkshire.

• 24:28Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  And she, and basically what happened was, sorry if she's in the audience, I hope she isn't. She was a really nice person, but it basic, she basically just became a person that we slagged off behind her back together.

• 24:40Adam Buxton?

  So she brought you together?

• 24:42Speaker 03

  And in that way, it was good.

• 24:43Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  But she taught us this special way of doing things where we had to like, face each other. And you had to say a thing, and then the other person had to repeat it back, so that you've been heard.

• 24:55Adam Buxton?

  Oh.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  And you had to be really clear about what was bugging you. So you had to like, be concise. So I'd say like, "When you drive, it makes me feel unsafe."

• 25:07Adam Buxton?

  "When I drive, it makes you feel unsafe." But I would probably say, "When I drive, it makes you feel unsafe."

• 25:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. But then, so she, I think, I can't remember if she was South African or Australian, but she'd then prompt you and she'd go, you'd, she'd go, "Did I get you?" And then you'd have to go, "Did I get you?"

• 25:29Adam Buxton?

  What does "did I get you" mean?

• 25:31Speaker 03

  And then she'd go, "Is there more?" And then you'd have to go, "Is there more?" And then, so basically like now, whenever somebody says something annoying to the other person in our relationship, the other person, we always go, "Did I get you?" "Is there more?" And it's just become like a running joke and now we can't go back because it's just ridiculous.

• 25:55Adam Buxton?

  And you're closer than ever. Job done.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was quite, it was good in a way, I suppose.

• 26:00Adam Buxton?

  Well, the thing that you balked at when I mentioned it earlier on today was that when we went to DEFCON 1, and to answer your question, uh, it's, I suppose there is shouting sometimes, there's loud shouting, like top volume shouting.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Really?

• 26:16Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  From both of you?

• 26:17Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. And, um...

• 26:19Speaker 03

  I can't imagine you shouting.

• 26:20Adam Buxton?

  But only, only like, just the one shout, not sustained, you know what I mean? It's like the one shout and then it's like, "Whoa, I use my outside voice." And that usually spells the end. One, one or other does the walk out in high dudgeon.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  Oh, right, so you shout and then you walk away?

• 26:38Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, walk away, slam, and then sometimes she calls after, "That's right, walk away."

• 26:49Adam Buxton?

  And then the challenge is to resist the temptation to go in for a, another helping.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, do you sometimes follow each other around that? Because I, I've got into that thing where, where the other person walks away and then I'll fol, I'll follow him.

• 27:02Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, go back into the room. And by the way, just...

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Can I just say? I feel...

• 27:08Adam Buxton?

  When we got to that point this one time, I thought, okay, this is a good bit of psychology. And I got my phone out with, and I said, "Okay, look, I think this is getting out of hand. I'm going to record this conversation."

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Insane. You cannot get a micro, you can't, you can't start recording.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  To settle an argument, like what good do you think is gonna come of that?

• 27:31Adam Buxton?

  Because then you become more aware of how you sound. It's like those posters that want to stop abuse of staff on the railways. Do you remember when there was a campaign that said, "If only you could see how you look when you get so angry", you know what I mean? If you could step outside yourself and have a sense of how you sound, how you're coming across, then it might chasten you somewhat.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Right, but in the moment, that's not happening, is it? Because in the moment, it's just going, "Puh-uh-uh-uh". And it's just recording, it's not playing back until after the event.

• 28:03Adam Buxton?

  No, I know, but I thought it might give her a sense of what she would sound like when she was played back. When I played it back on the podcast.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  You didn't.

• 28:13Adam Buxton?

  No, I never did, but it was partly in my head, I was like, "Yes". Hopefully this'll calm down the argument, also, might be good for a podcast.

• 28:23Adam Buxton?

  We should take a break. But before we do that, I would like everyone to welcome back to the stage, Dowdy Matt Seaco.

• 28:35Adam Buxton?

  Here's Dowdy, and Dowdy is gonna play us a song to conclude the first half. What's this one called?

• 28:44Speaker 01

  It's called "King of Misery".

• 28:46Adam Buxton?

  There you go.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I made this record called "The King of Misery", and I'll just cut to the chase. So this song, I tell myself to fuck off. In a really kind way.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  I think the record's about depression and bipolar and just some stuff. And I was wondering, would you guys be up for singing "Fuck Off" with me? I feel like we can put some of our own experiences into that moment.

• 29:23Adam Buxton?

  How shall we fuck off, Dowdy?

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Gently and up the major scale.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  So...

• 29:31Speaker 01

  It just sounds like this.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Something like that. So like, should we try it together?

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 29:46Speaker 04

  Alright, so.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  Bit more energy.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  Goodbye, babe.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Against myself.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  It all ends in embarrassment.

• 30:27Speaker 04

  I haven't got the strength to end the conversations in intent.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  I've come to watch the house burn down. Home again.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  You called me the king of misery. But I don't think that's who I am.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  With a chest made of sinking sand. Well, I'm doing the best I can.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  If I could describe you in a sentence,

• 31:45Speaker 04

  I'd say you're oppressed.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  If I have to wear you on my sleeve again, I will get undressed.

• 32:06Speaker 04

  If I have to drag you through another day,

• 32:11Speaker 04

  I'll have no strength left.

• 32:20Speaker 04

  Divorce inside, telling me lies.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  The guilt that eats me, that leaves me tired.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  The words that beat me, divorce unkind.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  Did me sometimes.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  Fuck off.

• 32:59Speaker 04

  Fuck off.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  Fuck off.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  Fuck off.

• 33:36Adam Buxton?

  Hey!

• 33:43Adam Buxton?

  Dowdy Matsiko.

• 33:47Adam Buxton?

  Thank you very much Dowdy. Well done everyone. Dowdy, would you like to come and join me once again and help me sing a jingle?

• 34:01Adam Buxton?

  Thank you so much for being here, Daudie. It's lovely to have you.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Oh, it's a pleasure.

• 34:05Adam Buxton?

  Now, we're going to sing halfway through the podcast, do the beautiful mellow guitar version. All right, let's do it.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  One, two, three, four. We're halfway through the podcast. I think it's going really great. The conversation's flowing like it would between a geezer and his maid.

• 34:28Adam Buxton?

  All right, mate.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  There's so much chemistry. It's like a science lab of talking. There's fun chat and there's deep chat. It's like Chris Evans is meeting Stephen Hawking.

• 34:46Adam Buxton?

  Jam!

• 35:02Speaker 02

  We're halfway through the podcast. I think it's going really great. The conversation's flowing like it would between a geezer and his maid.

• 35:15Adam Buxton?

  All right, mate.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  I didn't hear that. There's so much chemistry. It's like a science lab of talking. There's fun chat and there's deep chat. It's like Chris Evans is meeting Stephen Hawking.

• 35:33Adam Buxton?

  Oh, yeah! Daudie Matsiko!

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Thanks so much.

• 35:39Adam Buxton?

  Thank you, Daudie. Right now, I think it's time that we got my guest back on stage. Please welcome Jessica Knappett.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Hi Buckles.

• 35:59Adam Buxton?

  Hello. Now, Jessica, you told me that you have your own podcast.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 36:07Adam Buxton?

  And what sort of thing is that?

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Yes, it's called Perfect Day. Romesh kicked us off.

• 36:12Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Dolly Alderton.

• 36:14Adam Buxton?

  That's nice, it's good that he's getting a bit of work.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. But, you know, it's good because I think people listen to it.

• 36:24Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  Because he's quite famous, isn't he? Jamali Maddox.

• 36:28Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  He's doing it. And my pal Emerald Fennell. I did a Drifters special. And coming-

• 36:37Adam Buxton?

  Reunited your cast members.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  I reunited the cast, yeah.

• 36:40Adam Buxton?

  Good idea.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  A little special. And coming soon, if you don't mind, guys. Adam Buxton. Here.

• 36:49Adam Buxton?

  Funny, funny and not a dick.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  And not a dick.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Bit argumentative, but.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  So, so we thought, if you guys don't mind. Well, Adam has allowed me to commandeer his podcast tonight. So I get to interview him. About his perfect day.

• 37:11Adam Buxton?

  So we're gonna do a Perfect Day episode. Now, what are the rules? Does this have to be an imagined perfect day? Or is this best bits of days I have really had?

• 37:23Speaker 03

  So it's whatever you want it to be. It can be fantasy, it can be memory, it can be whatever you want. It's just your perfect day, whatever that would be.

• 37:33Adam Buxton?

  And you've got jingles.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Are you ready to be interviewed?

• 37:36Adam Buxton?

  Sure, let's do it.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 37:38Adam Buxton?

  Do we need to say anything else?

• 37:40Speaker 03

  Adam Buxton, welcome on to the Perfect Day podcast. Cue jingle.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  All right then.

• 38:00Adam Buxton?

  P E R F E C T. Day.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 38:08Adam Buxton?

  I mean, it's...

• 38:09Speaker 03

  All right then.

• 38:09Adam Buxton?

  It's no, I added one more podcast. No.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 38:16Adam Buxton?

  So that's good.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  No, it's not.

• 38:17Adam Buxton?

  Because I'm only saying that because I feel threat... I don't like it when my friends do podcasts.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:24Adam Buxton?

  Especially if they're gonna be better than mine or do better than mine, which...

• 38:27Speaker 03

  I doubt that.

• 38:28Adam Buxton?

  I think yours is gonna be an absolute smash.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  Well, it might be, it might not be. It's okay, it's okay if it's either, isn't it? You're gonna be okay with it.

• 38:36Adam Buxton?

  I'd be more okay if it wasn't.

• 38:40Adam Buxton?

  And then I'd feel a bit less insecure. But no, listen, I think it's gonna be really good and I'm very honoured to be a guest. But I only recently realised that I was going to do this, so I already feel anxious that I'm not gonna be as funny as some of your other guests.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Everyone has approached it similarly.

• 38:57Adam Buxton?

  Okay.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  In that, you know, they've just answered truthfully.

• 39:00Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  And it's just a wonderful insight. And also, it's just nice to hear what people enjoy about their lives. And that's all I'm interested in, really.

• 39:08Adam Buxton?

  Let's do it.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  So, let's have your perfect morning, please, Adam. Cue jingle.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  That's me doing that.

• 39:21Adam Buxton?

  Is that you being a cockerel?

• 39:22Speaker 03

  It's me being a cockerel.

• 39:23Adam Buxton?

  Very good.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  That's pretty good.

• 39:30Adam Buxton?

  We don't have cockerels where we are out in Norfolk.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:34Adam Buxton?

  We have a little bird. I don't know the names of birds or trees, even though I've lived in the countryside now for over 10 years. I think it might be a tit.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:46Adam Buxton?

  And it taps at our window.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Really, a tappy tit?

• 39:50Adam Buxton?

  Tappy tit.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  What, does it actually tap on the glass?

• 39:53Adam Buxton?

  Yep.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  Adam. Adam.

• 39:56Adam Buxton?

  It doesn't say that.

• 39:58Adam Buxton?

  I think they might be a bit thick, some of the birds. No disrespect to the bird community. They are mega and I love them. But they're dealing, they're operating with very small brains. Some of them. Even though they're, you know, they're doing better with their lives than I am in some ways, but.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  So is that how you wake up on a normal day?

• 40:20Adam Buxton?

  No.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  The tap, tap, tap.

• 40:20Adam Buxton?

  This is on a perfect day.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Okay, so your perfect morning is you're woken up by a tapping tick.

• 40:25Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, which does happen. So I, my approach to this podcast is I'm kind of aggregating perfect moments, moments that make me happy, that have happened in my life. Very few of these are imagined. They are.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Memories.

• 40:39Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, memories that I.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  Beautiful.

• 40:41Adam Buxton?

  I particularly love. But yeah, I'd like, I like to be woken, like on a, on a nice morning, the window is open anyway. We like it cold in the room in Castle Buckles. And I love the little bird tapping at the window. The sun is streaming through and I'm not feeling stressed. I don't look at BBC News.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  No.

• 41:02Adam Buxton?

  Once the therapist said to me, you should cut that out. Don't look at the news first thing.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Yes, so true. Don't look at your phone at all, really, ideally.

• 41:10Adam Buxton?

  So I try not to do that on my perfect day. I have slept well.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 41:15Adam Buxton?

  I have not spent an hour writhing in agony in the early hours because of the buildup of wind in my gut.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Oh, mate.

• 41:25Adam Buxton?

  That has become a thing in the last five years.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Really?

• 41:29Adam Buxton?

  Yes.

• 41:30Speaker 03

  What, what do you think is the cause of your, let's get into it.

• 41:34Adam Buxton?

  Well, it's gonna be diet, isn't it? It's gonna be a combination of age, bad dietary habits that have accumulated over the years. I have started to address some of these and eat in a different way. I don't know how much difference it's making. It's a journey that is stretching ahead of me. But at the moment, it's no good.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  So you just get really bad trapped wind? And what do you do to alleviate your trapped wind? Do you have to go for like a little walk?

• 42:00Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, I would go for a walk to the toilet.

• 42:04Adam Buxton?

  I'm sorry to say that part of the perfect morning for me would be my wife getting out of bed before I do.

• 42:14Adam Buxton?

  And so that I can just lie in bed and just luxuriate in the-

• 42:19Speaker 03

  Just let them all out?

• 42:20Adam Buxton?

  In the sound carnival that ensues.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's why the window-

• 42:30Adam Buxton?

  All coming from downstairs, until the pain in my lower abdomen subsides.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Thank god the window's open, that's all I can say.

• 42:39Adam Buxton?

  So that doesn't happen on my perfect morning?

• 42:41Speaker 03

  No, that doesn't happen. So just to be clear, not that.

• 42:44Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, I've slept well. I've only got up once, probably, in the night. Only once. I had flying dreams.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  Flying dreams, yes.

• 42:54Adam Buxton?

  Oh, man.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  You love flying dreams?

• 42:56Adam Buxton?

  I love them.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  And you have them, do you have them often?

• 42:58Adam Buxton?

  I've been having them recently.

• 43:00Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 43:00Adam Buxton?

  I don't know if it's good or bad. I Googled it, and it's some people, there was a suggestion that you feel trapped in your life and you're going nowhere and you dream of escaping or some shit. Other people were saying it's more about feeling empowered and-

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd go with that one.

• 43:15Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Superpower, being a bird. Where are you flying to? Someone's window to tap, tap, tap.

• 43:22Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, just sort of roof height.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Yeah?

• 43:26Adam Buxton?

  Not much higher than that. And I do it by, uh-

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Specific?

• 43:30Adam Buxton?

  I do it by paddling, as if I'm swimming through the air.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, yeah.

• 43:34Adam Buxton?

  And I'm really paddling hard.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Peter Pan style?

• 43:36Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:37Adam Buxton?

  It's as if the air has become more dense in my immediate vicinity.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Well, it has, hasn't it?

• 43:50Speaker 03

  What you're dreaming about is wafting your own fastaway.

• 43:59Adam Buxton?

  I think you're right. That hadn't occurred to me.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  What, what does it mean?

• 44:07Adam Buxton?

  I dream of escaping the immediate foul-

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Stench.

• 44:12Adam Buxton?

  Stench that's hanging around me like a cloud. Imagine rising above it to, to clean air.

• 44:22Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, that's exactly it.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  So you've had a lovely dream.

• 44:26Adam Buxton?

  Lovely dream, then it's cold shower time, just.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Cold?

• 44:29Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Are you a cold shower guy? Are you a Wim Hofer?

• 44:32Adam Buxton?

  Recently, it's one of the, it's one of the things I've been doing to try and reset the old, um, general health.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  Really?

• 44:38Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 44:39Adam Buxton?

  I heard so many people wanging on about it. I thought it's got to be worth a go.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  And so you do this normally, but you're also doing this on your perfect day, crucially?

• 44:48Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:49Adam Buxton?

  Because I feel like, um, I feel as if there has to be some work. It can't all be like total sensual abandon and pleasure and luxury, right? Profound existential pleasure comes from mixing work and play, yes.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 45:08Adam Buxton?

  Cold and hot, yin and yang, plus and minus.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 45:12Adam Buxton?

  Otherwise, if you overdose on the bad, that's bad, obviously, but if you overdose on the good, that's better, but still.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  That's fine.

• 45:24Adam Buxton?

  Can be bad.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. That's fascinating. So you are, you've had a cold shower, you're out, you're away. Do you have a normal morning routine? Like when you get down to business?

• 45:39Adam Buxton?

  Yep.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Post-cold shower, the, the process of, say, preparing for a podcast. What does that look like for Dr. A Buckles?

• 45:51Adam Buxton?

  Uh, well, go to my nutty room, which is, uh, in the barn, which is across the way. And, um, generally I do my journal a lot of days. Uh, we talked about this when you were on the podcast.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  So you jour-, do you journal first thing in the morning?

• 46:09Adam Buxton?

  Yeah. But recently I've been thinking, I'm supposed to deliver a book. I'm way behind, another volume of kind of memoir-ish stuff.

• 46:19Adam Buxton?

  And recently I've been thinking, oh buckles, you are doing this all wrong, you jerk. Don't journal in the morning, do that at night. But in the morning, when your brain is a little fresher, hopefully, that's when you should be doing book stuff.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 46:33Adam Buxton?

  And so I've tried to shift.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  So you, so you get the book down and then what about music, like when you're writing music, does that just come to you as and when? Or do you deliberately sit down and like, I'm gonna write a song now?

• 46:46Adam Buxton?

  No, that's, that's nice therapy. I got a guitar when I got married in order to learn how to play Kooks by David Bowie on our wedding day. As a surprise, because as far as my wife knew, I didn't play the guitar. So I bought kind of a fancy guitar, a Goldin A6, beautiful, kind of semi acoustic. And it's got a forgiving fretboard.

• 47:08Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 47:09Adam Buxton?

  So I could make that sound okay with the chords for Kooks. But then afterwards, I never really improved. And after a couple of years of subjecting my friends to horrible David Bowie renditions. I remember one evening I looked across and someone was just pleadingly looking at me like, oh, please stop. And I thought, oh, maybe I will.

• 47:33Speaker 03

  I'm that guy.

• 47:33Adam Buxton?

  I put it away and I became more of a logic user, using loops and keyboards and things like that. But recently I got the guitar back out and found it was quite therapeutic to just hold it, you know, to cradle a guitar.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Not play it, just hold it and kiss it?

• 47:51Adam Buxton?

  Well, no, to strum it and things like that.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:53Adam Buxton?

  But, but I got beyond not being good at it, or I made peace with not being very good. And then I carried on strumming and got a tiny bit better. And then I found myself writing a song.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:07Adam Buxton?

  And it was the first song I'd written on a guitar. And I thought it was so good that I sent it to a musician friend of mine and they didn't reply.

• 48:18Adam Buxton?

  And I really thought that it was gonna be like, oh shit, this is amazing.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  This is it?

• 48:23Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Oh man, and have you still not heard back?

• 48:26Adam Buxton?

  No, I did hear back after about a month and they gave me some good feedback, actually.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Oh, you got feedback, so they did listen to it?

• 48:32Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, they definitely listened to it. They just said, the main note was lyrically, you're kind of in the uncanny valley between sincere and funny. And I'm not sure anyone's ever made that work.

• 48:48Speaker 03

  Don't know.

• 48:48Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, I don't know either. I quite like that uncanny valley.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  I went to see on Friday night in Amsterdam, Pulp.

• 48:55Adam Buxton?

  Oh, wow.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  I love the, I love the tone of Pulp. Jarvis Cocker's lyrics are so funny and sincere.

• 49:09Adam Buxton?

  That's true.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  I think he's really, like, it never gets sentimental, it's romantic, but then it'll be hilarious. You know, do you know "This is Hardcore", that song?

• 49:19Adam Buxton?

  Oh, amazing, what an amazing song.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  Like, it's so sexy, but so funny. Anyway, I just, I was thinking, I think that actually does walk the line. So maybe you're the next Jarvis, you just don't know it.

• 49:31Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, I don't think I am.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  But I'm curious about this. I think there's something in when you go manual mode, you get away from the computers.

• 49:43Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  And you hold a thing, like a pen or a guitar, or I think it improves the process, man.

• 49:48Adam Buxton?

  It's very therapeutic, and that's the other thing that I heard recently, which is sort of obvious, really, but the value, the practical, physical benefits that you get from music. You know, not only is it fun and nice to hear and well-known to be good for the old mental health, but physically, apparently, there are benefits. And I really do believe it. And, and a few months ago, when I was feeling a bit bleak, I, I think I listened to this thing and I was like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna give that a go. Listen to less podcasts about how fucked we are. And listen to more, make a point of listening to music every day. Because there, you know, there were lots of days when I just wouldn't listen to any music

• 50:29Adam Buxton?

  because I'd be prepping for the podcast, listening to other podcasts, reading books, whatever it was, you know, listening to audiobooks about... Psychology or trying to stuff some facts into my stupid mind.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:43Adam Buxton?

  And actually not listen to any music for ages and ages, but now I've got back into the habit and it's good.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  Whole albums from start to finish.

• 50:51Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, sometimes if I'm doing other stuff, like that's part of my perfect day, is be doing manual labour. Either clearing up or constructing a shelf or something like that. Or just organising things, but things that I don't need to be mentally engaged for necessarily. And have music on in the background.

• 51:12Speaker 03

  Lovely. I I know exactly what you mean. Something that's sort of like menial.

• 51:17Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  And.

• 51:19Adam Buxton?

  Organising things.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  But you're gonna see a result from it.

• 51:23Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  When you've finished it.

• 51:24Adam Buxton?

  Exactly. Like, one of my favourite days in the lockdown was when everyone was out of the house. Can't remember what they were doing, defying the lockdown, I guess.

• 51:36Adam Buxton?

  I finally got round to doing something which I'd meant to do for so long, which was get a load of little drawers. And spray them different colours and then label them and put all the shit that was in like the bowl in the hall.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 51:52Adam Buxton?

  Sort all that stuff into the drawers, at least the stuff that didn't get thrown away. And so now I've got these little drawers organised, different colours, organisational drawers with things like string. Highlighters.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:08Adam Buxton?

  Sharpies, phone chargers, cables, lighters.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  Gorgeous.

• 52:14Adam Buxton?

  Uh, Post-it notes, clothes pegs, all this stuff, man, there's a label for every single thing.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Have you got an old school like embossing label?

• 52:23Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, I do, but that takes too long. Generally, I just, I'll put a strip of clear gorilla tape on the front. And then write with a sharpie on top of it and then you can peel it off if you want to change.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  This is, yeah, I'm I'm I'm.

• 52:37Adam Buxton?

  And I was listening to Spotify while I was doing that and it got to the end of my playlist and it started suggesting stuff. And it was one of those times when you do think, okay, fair enough. Good work, A I.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Oh, really? What did it suggest? Can you remember?

• 52:52Adam Buxton?

  Fela Kuti, um.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  Okay, cool.

• 52:54Adam Buxton?

  Who I'd heard before, but it was a song, I can't remember, uh, something water, something no water by Fela Kuti. But it was very good, like ten minutes worth. And before, I'd always thought, yeah, okay. Good work, fellow cootie, on you go, but never for me. But this one, suddenly, it was like, I get it. And it was such an amazing moment. I love musical moments like that.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Cue jingle.

• 53:23Adam Buxton?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:31Adam Buxton?

  That's the afternoon, is it?

• 53:32Speaker 03

  That's the afternoon, because I couldn't really think of an animal that summed up the afternoon. So you've got a cockerel for the morning, you've got an owl, spoiler.

• 53:39Adam Buxton?

  Dog, dog walk.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, but not everyone has a dog.

• 53:42Adam Buxton?

  Everyone has a dog.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Well, we'll put for this, for yours, we'll put you barking like a dog at the end.

• 53:49Adam Buxton?

  Hr, hr, hr, hr, hr.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  What's your perfect afternoon, Adam Buxton?

• 53:58Adam Buxton?

  Perfect afternoon? Well, I don't mind a train journey.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  Oh, nice.

• 54:04Adam Buxton?

  It's moving very fast, and it's not delayed, and, um...

• 54:09Speaker 03

  Are you in first class?

• 54:11Adam Buxton?

  Yep. In first class.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  Without hesitation.

• 54:14Adam Buxton?

  No, I tell you what, perfect morning, I wouldn't be in first class. I would be with all the other people.

• 54:24Adam Buxton?

  And we'd be having a wonderful chat. About ordinary life, what their ordinary lives are like. And I'd be very, very interested to know.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  With your public?

• 54:37Adam Buxton?

  Yes. But my wife is also with me.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 54:40Adam Buxton?

  And we've just had sex in the toilets.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  On a train?

• 54:46Adam Buxton?

  Yep.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 54:48Adam Buxton?

  Maybe not a British train.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  Those trains are the most un... Are you absolutely sure?

• 54:57Adam Buxton?

  This is a perfect one, a nice, clean one.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Okay, it's a perfectly clean train toilet. So you're all full of post-coital...

• 55:05Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, it's great. Have you ever done that?

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Excitement, not on a train, no.

• 55:09Adam Buxton?

  No.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Well, no, because they're disgusting.

• 55:11Adam Buxton?

  No, but a nice one.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  The LNER? Or the Transpennine Express? Are you kidding me? Right, so where are we going next on your perfect afternoon?

• 55:21Adam Buxton?

  Oh, yes.

• 55:23Adam Buxton?

  I just got an email and it says I've been offered a part in a TV show. Being written by a brilliant young writer who has identified my potential to be a brilliant actor. If I'm given the right part and I'm working with a director who can eliminate some of my worst face pulling tendencies.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 55:44Adam Buxton?

  And they are able to do this without crushing my spirit. In other words, it's just like the perfect acting job and in my life I've had that only a few times. And I would say that one of them was Hot Fuzz. Um, it was a small part, but working with Edgar. He was a good enough director to get what he wanted from me without having to endure some of my more terrible Jim Carrey tendencies. And it was fun and I loved it and the film was great and it was like, wow, perfect.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  So is it the excitement of knowing that you're gonna, what is it? Is it a movie? Is it a TV?

• 56:20Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, working with a, with a load of people, being together for a few weeks or months. You know, because usually I love my job, I love my life, but it is quite solitary.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:31Adam Buxton?

  And so I'm doing all, you know, I've kind of carved out this DIY existence, which is, has so many advantages. And I'm very grateful for it, but my few experiences doing TV and movies have on the whole been very positive. Even when the TV show has maybe not turned out the best, it was still wonderful doing it. Also, you know, getting a, getting a nice, no strings attached offer of work on an email, that's a good feeling.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. The offer is all yours and it's there for the taking and you're not, but you're not, you're on your perfect day crucially, you're not actually doing the work. You've just, you've just been offered the work, but you don't have to actually do it.

• 57:11Adam Buxton?

  That's the best bit, yeah, that's the best bit.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:13Adam Buxton?

  This is gonna be a great job. It's gonna work out fantastic. It's gonna run and run this show that I'm in and I'm gonna be the best guy in it.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  If, if you were offered something tomorrow, like is, is that genuinely your dream? Right now, like if you were offered a lovely TV show, would, would you, would you want, would, would you rather be doing that?

• 57:36Adam Buxton?

  I'd like to do both.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:38Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, it would be fun. Like the dream is you do a show that you have a part that you only have to film for a month every year and that's it.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  I was, I was pitching a TV show the other day and I mentioned you, genuinely.

• 57:53Adam Buxton?

  Uh huh.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  And the producer said, can you get Adam Buxton to be in it?

• 57:57Adam Buxton?

  Oh.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Honestly, that happened to me.

• 57:59Adam Buxton?

  Well, yes.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  The answer is yes.

• 58:04Adam Buxton?

  I think you can get Adam Buxton to be in it.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  So I think that, I think people are excited to put you in TV shows maybe more than you realise.

• 58:13Adam Buxton?

  Well, I might be, my, my hope is that I might be entering a new phase of usefulness because I'm old.

• 58:22Adam Buxton?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 58:22Speaker 03

  You're getting into swearing grandpa territory.

• 58:25Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Play some dads and some grandpas, that'll be fine. Part of the afternoon, it's sunny by the way, I like it sunny.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  Of course you do.

• 58:34Adam Buxton?

  It's sunny and fresh. Every now and again, while I'm working, I'm doing a bit of work, but every now and again I'll go outside and I'll pee outside.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  What's it, what, how does it feel when you pee outside? Why do you love it so much?

• 58:50Adam Buxton?

  Feel free.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Is it sort of like a marking territory thing or?

• 58:55Adam Buxton?

  Maybe, on some level. Do you ever, you, you never pee outdoors?

• 58:59Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, I've been known to have a wild wee from time to time.

• 59:03Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, it's pretty good, isn't it?

• 59:04Speaker 03

  But I don't deliberately go for a wild wee.

• 59:06Adam Buxton?

  Oh, right.

• 59:07Speaker 03

  I'd rather have the comfort of a nice toilet.

• 59:09Adam Buxton?

  Yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  And I'd rather have a proper sit down. Thank you, but anyway.

• 59:14Adam Buxton?

  No, fair enough.

• 59:23Adam Buxton?

  It's the owl.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  It's the owl. What's your perfect night, Adam Buxton?

• 59:28Adam Buxton?

  Well, it's gonna be family supper first of all.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 59:31Adam Buxton?

  And I will have cooked family supper and I will be listening to more music. My children are there, they are teenagers at the moment and, um, they will have been DJing while I'm, it's kind of like a scene from a Richard Curtis film. And they're DJing, they're introducing me to all this mad stuff that I've never heard before.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:51Adam Buxton?

  Or my eldest son, he listens to a lot of the same music that I do. So he's playing me stuff that I already like, but introducing me to deep cuts that I haven't heard. My daughter's putting me in touch with hip hop that I've never experienced before. My horizons are being expanded. In the next room, my son is playing the piano. My wife has a piano in her office.

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:00:15Adam Buxton?

  And he's pretty good at the piano. Every now and again, we open the door and we can hear him. Like at the moment, he's playing, he's learned Surf's Up by the Beach Boys. This real epic. It's pretty good.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  Do you feel proud of your kids when they're being, do you think I did that?

• 1:00:32Adam Buxton?

  Oh, no, I never think I did that. I always think I didn't totally fuck them up. That's genuinely what I think. I just think, oh, thank God, there's one thing that's good about them.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  They like music.

• 1:00:48Adam Buxton?

  They're good at music. They have an appreciation for you. There's loads of things that are good about them. But those moments, yeah, I particularly enjoy. It's the supper, though. Supper was like family supper. We got into fairly late as a family. In fact, it was the beginning of 2020 that I finally made the edict. We have got to eat as a family.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:01:08Adam Buxton?

  And for some reason, we never got it together to do that before then. And it was, it always really bugged me because it seemed so obvious that you need that to have a bit of family cohesion. And so we started doing it, thank goodness, and it really served us well in the lockdown. And it was good fun and it's still like a happy family supper. Because they're not all happy, of course, but a good one is, you can't beat it. And my son is on very amusing form at the moment because he's a teenager, he's 19. And he's kind of come out of his shell a little bit.

• 1:01:46Adam Buxton?

  He used to be fairly dour and he would be like at the table, he would either sit with his head in his hands.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 1:01:55Adam Buxton?

  Or with his head far back like.

• 1:01:59Adam Buxton?

  And he would be totally monosyllabic. And he was just grumpy as fuck. He was just like classic Kevin the teenager.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 1:02:07Adam Buxton?

  But now he's through that. One of the greatest days of his life.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  How long did it take to get out of that?

• 1:02:12Adam Buxton?

  Well, a couple of years, but it started to, things started to go better on the best day of his life, which was when his GCSEs got cancelled in the lockdown.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  Oh yeah.

• 1:02:23Adam Buxton?

  I couldn't believe it. He just came downstairs, he was like, whoa. This is the best day of my life. And I really, I was pleased for him in a way. I mean, there have been negative consequences.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  He hasn't got any GCSEs.

• 1:02:40Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, that's a whole other story. Also, his grasp on certain academic things is fairly shaky still. He's beginning to get into reading and things like that, but it's been a long road. And the other day I used the word undulating and he said, like, that's a word.

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  But his DJ skills are sensational.

• 1:03:02Adam Buxton?

  His piano skills, brilliant. He is at one with the universe. And then he said later in the same conversation, he said, yeah, so tomorrow, I think, yeah, I think we should go to the pub as the crow flies.

• 1:03:21Adam Buxton?

  And we were like, oh, hang on, what?

• 1:03:25Adam Buxton?

  What was the phrase you used there? It's like, how do you mean? At the end of the day, we should go to the pub. Oh yeah, I just said, like, you know, as the crow flies. It's like, what do you think that means?

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Oh, he's trying it out.

• 1:03:35Adam Buxton?

  He just thought it was a thing you can tag on to any old,

• 1:03:40Adam Buxton?

  tag it on there as the crow flies. And then later he said, we're talking about my wife's dad, who's no longer with us, but he was, my wife's a lawyer. Her dad was also a high-powered lawyer. And he was a judge, in fact. And there's even a big photo of him in his judge robes, hanging in the very room where our son plays the piano. So he is perfectly familiar with what his grandpa did, you would think. But he was like, "Oh yeah, I just found out grandpa was a lawyer as well, wasn't he?" And my wife was like, "Yes." And, you know, after he died, we had this obituary. There was an obituary written in the local paper

• 1:04:23Adam Buxton?

  for my grandpa, and it's hanging in our bathroom. And she said, "Do you see grandpa's obituary hanging in the bathroom?" He's like, "Obituary?"

• 1:04:35Adam Buxton?

  He hadn't heard the word before. He's like, "What?" And I said, "Obituary." He's like, "Grandpa had a bitchery?"

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Oh, I'd love to know what he thought. Did he elaborate? What does he think a bitchery was?

• 1:04:53Adam Buxton?

  I guess just a place with bitches.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:00Adam Buxton?

  But like a really big one.

• 1:05:03Adam Buxton?

  And grandpa had one.

• 1:05:06Adam Buxton?

  He just never seemed like the type of person who would have a bitchery, but...

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  But he had a bitchery as the crow flies.

• 1:05:15Adam Buxton?

  Can we conclude this podcast by getting Daudy back?

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  Let's.

• 1:05:19Adam Buxton?

  Playing a little bit of a song that you and I bonded over, can we say, in our podcast? That is a photograph of Ilkley Moor.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:30Adam Buxton?

  And that is your neck of the woods.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  That's my neck of the woods. Is anyone else from Ilkley? Yes, you're gonna like this one.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Where has I been since I saw thee? On Ilkley Moor Batat. Where has I been since I saw thee? Where has I been since I saw thee? On Ilkley Moor Batat. On Ilkley Moor Batat. On Ilkley Moor Batat.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  There's been a carton Mary Jane

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Hello Jane

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  On Ilklimobatat

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  Look, please

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  There's been a carton Mary Jane There's been a carton Mary Jane On Ilklimobatat On Ilklimobatat On Ilklimobatat

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  One time for your motherfucking man!

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  There's gonna catch the death of cold On Ilklimobatat There's gonna catch the death of cold There's gonna catch the death of cold On Ilklimobatat On Ilklimobatat On Ilklimobatat Then we shall have to bury thee

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  You're dead

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  On Ilklimobatat Then we shall have to bury thee Then we shall have to bury thee On Ilklimobatat On Ilklimobatat On Ilklimobatat

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Ilklimobatat Ilklimobatat Ilklimobatat One more time, everyone! That's not everyone!

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Ilklimobatat Ilklimobatat Ilklimobatat Ilklimobatat Just a moment I'm in the hospital! Down in the hospital! Thank you so much!

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Wait.

• 1:08:13Adam Buxton?

  This is an ad for Squarespace. Okay, we'll return to the AI apocalypse in just a wee wee moment, but first I wanted to talk about Squarespace. Do you know about Squarespace, Steve? Uh, yes, Monty. I think I might even be a little bit more tuned into modern tech, websites, et cetera, than you. I don't know, just guessing. Oh, Steve, I love this dynamic. I'm old and conservative, and you're young and progressive, and that's what makes the Newswind podcast such great listening. But yes, you're right. I must admit, I didn't know much about Squarespace. But because my new grumble book, Hell in a Handcart, is out this month. And I look forward to getting enraged by that. So I should hope. Em, um, em, um. Anyway, the publishers, Bluestar and Dogwhistle, made a beautiful website for the book using Squarespace. I know, I got the newsletter that you sent out using Squarespace, and the website

• 1:08:54Adam Buxton?

  does look great. Videos of you airing your views, members' areas for your mad fans. You've even got a merch store, I see. That's right. The Union Jack top hat is a big seller. But they constructed it all so fast with Squarespace. They did most of it over one lunchtime, Steve. Well, you wouldn't want to spend much longer on it, would you? Shut up, Steve. But here's the thing. Anyone listening to this can start a free trial right now at Squarespace.com/Buxton and see how easy and versatile Squarespace is. And when they're ready to launch a new website or domain, they can save 10% off their first purchase by using the offer code BUXTON at checkout. Right, well, maybe I'll visit Squarespace.com/Buxton and start a new website just to refute all the nonsense in your new book. Oh, don't do that, Steve. I will. Oh, shut up, Steve. Uh. Shut up. Now, back to more depressing matters on Newswind.

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  Continue.

• 1:09:51Adam Buxton?

  Hey, welcome back, podcasts. That was Jessica Knappett and Daudy Matseko joining me there on stage in York in May of last year, 2024, at the Theatre Royal. And I'm so grateful to both of them for coming along that night. It was really fun. Don't forget, if you enjoyed Daudy's music, he's playing that show in London on the 12th of August. There's a link in the description. And there you will also find a few other links, including one to that track by Fela Kuti that I mentioned, which is called Water No Get No Enemy. Now, if you happen to be going to the Edinburgh Fringe this year. I just want to give a shout out for one of the performers there.

• 1:10:33Adam Buxton?

  And also, I believe he is a native of York as well, so we'll keep it on theme. It's Rob Orton, A U T O N, who, if you're not familiar, I would describe as a stand-up who either sprinkles his jokes with poetry, art and oddness, or sprinkles his poetry, art and oddness with jokes, depending on your perspective. Having written eleven critically acclaimed shows on specific themes, and I'm quoting now from the blurb, Rob Orton is now keen on telling you a story he has written about a man he made up called Can. At one point in his life, Can was the world's number one motivational speaker,

• 1:11:19Adam Buxton?

  and then something happened. "A genuine original," says The Guardian. "You will walk out feeling transformed and fully alive," says The Scotsman. That's good, it's nice to feel fully alive. "Brilliant," says comedian Stuart Lee. "The mother freaking greatest," says James Acaster. "A genius," says Bridget Christie. That's Rob Orton, and you'll find a link for tickets via Ed Fringe in the description of today's podcast.

• 1:11:50Adam Buxton?

  Earlier this week, I was in London at the beautiful Union Chapel as part of a bill for a charity show in aid of the PDA Society. That night, I was reading out a chapter from my book, from I Love You Bye, and it was the chapter that had some of that stuff from the York show. It's one of my favourite chapters, about going to the movies to see Free Guy just after the lockdowns and feeling a bit out of sorts and grumpy with the world and then being reminded of the happier aspects of family life. Anyway, I read out that chapter.

• 1:12:30Adam Buxton?

  That evening, and I had created a kind of visual presentation to go along with it, which I spent a long time doing, but it was the first time that I had done it in front of an audience. So it might not have been the absolute best call, especially last thing on the bill in a hot room when the audience was a little bit tired. There's a couple of moments I thought, hmm, was this a really brilliant idea to do this for the first time? Anyway, I hope the audience enjoyed at least some of it, and I was very happy to be part of the effort to raise funds for the PDA Society. And afterwards, I met a woman,

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  a woman?

• 1:13:08Adam Buxton?

  who had painted a beautiful portrait of Rosie, and it was so good. And I wanted to give her a shout out because she does pet portraits and commissions. And I will put her details alongside the other links in the description of today's podcast. Okay, a little bit of brightness over there on the horizon, Rosie.

• 1:13:31Adam Buxton?

  With some of the clouds moving on.

• 1:13:34Adam Buxton?

  Might even get a nice sunset tonight. What do you think about that?

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  I'd very much like to go home and back to the sofa.

• 1:13:40Adam Buxton?

  Yeah, okay, we're going. Thank you very much once again to Jessica and Dowdy. Thanks to the Live Podcast Tour crew, Ben Saunders, Richard Walsh, Analisa Lembo, Phil Turner, Et Al. Thanks to the Theatre Royal crew and staff. Thanks to Jessica's podcast producer Lucy Topping. Thanks very much indeed to my producer Seamus Murphy Mitchell for all his support and conversation editing. And thank you also to Becca Bryers for additional editing. Thanks to Helen Green. She does the artwork for this podcast, for my books. She helped with the album artwork. She's the best. Don't forget, incidentally,

• 1:14:21Adam Buxton?

  that you can preorder the album and get a signed, high-quality album artwork print with your vinyl copy if you preorder. There's a link in the description. I'm gonna take a few weeks off now to do a few music bits and pieces and get my ducks in a row for the End of the Road Festival at the end of August, but around then, I hope to start releasing new episodes of the podcast. I think by the end of this year, I will have released more episodes than I ever have done in a year. It's a fun fact, and I can tell you that my first guest for the autumn run will be one of my all-time musical heroes, David Byrne

• 1:15:06Adam Buxton?

  of Talking Heads. I got to meet him a few weeks back. I was quite starstruck.

• 1:15:13Adam Buxton?

  Pretty much didn't ask him anything that I had planned to ask him. Instead, we just had a good old rambly convo, which I hope you will enjoy. Until then, I hope things are okay with you, wherever you are, whatever you're doing. If you don't want a creepy hug, then now's the time to switch off. Otherwise, come here. Hey, good to see you. Thanks for coming back.

• 1:15:43Adam Buxton?

  And until next time, please go carefully, it's not getting any less ridiculous out there. And for what it's worth, I love you. Bye!