#2373 - Dave Landau

Dave Landau is a comedian, co-host of the "Normal World" podcast, and author of "Party of One: A Fuzzy Memoir." His latest special is "A Prison 10." www.davelandau.com https://www.youtube.com/@normalworldhttps://a.co/d/b7rPGor Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the Pick6 app today with my promo code ROGAN Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Help is available for problem gambling. Call (888) 789-7777 or visit ccpg.org (CT). 18+ (19+ AL/NE, 21+ AZ/MA/VA). Valid only where Pick6 operates, see dkng.co/pick6states. Void in NY, ONT, and where prohibited. Eligibility restrictions apply. Must click link to claim Bag Builder Token. Token must be selected BEFORE placing free entry in Bag Builder contest. Entry must have 6/6 correct Picks to earn equal share of cash prize pool. Tokens are single use and expire 9/8 @ 8:15 PM ET. Max. 6 Tokens per customer. Earn addt’l Tokens via linkshare w/ new Bag Builder entrants and linking Discord account w/ DraftKings. Ends 9/8/25 at 8:15 PM ET. Terms: pick6.draftkings.com/promos. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  There we go. How you doing?

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, brother.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Good to see you, sir.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  What's crackalaka?

• 0:18Speaker 01

  Not much. Just rocking the Shinola.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  We're talking about your Shinola watch. I'm glad Detroit's coming back, you know, and I like how Shinola represents.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Shinola is definitely one of the things that's great about Detroit.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they say it, like, "Made in Detroit," they're proud.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Yes, which we didn't have for a long time.

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  Dude, Detroit is the craziest story. If you know the story about Detroit, like, in the 1950s and 60s, it was the third richest city in the world.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it was called the Paris of the Midwest. And it's a city that's still built for 7 million people with supposedly 700,000 living in it. I mean, so you do see a lot of, like, how's there, like, a million-dollar condo in the same place that has, like, eight abandoned other apartments? It's, when you go downtown, it makes no sense, logistically.

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  You ever watch that show Top Gear?

• 1:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07Joe Rogan?

  Jeremy Clarkson, I think it was easier, Top Gear was maybe the one they did after that, that they did for Amazon, but they went to Detroit and they bought a house for $500.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can. And there's also the people that buy them and open the door and get mauled by pit bulls. Or you see the ones that, like, they'll put a, like, a pumpkin patch, like, they'll do an urban farm, which is hysterical, and you'll see, like, these hippies on the news, like, "They cut my face and stole my plums." And I'm scared, it's like, "Yeah, but you're in a crack neighborhood, nobody wants your farm."

• 1:39Joe Rogan?

  No, we're gentrifying.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, isn't that what you guys want? And it's like, they don't want that at all.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  There's some delusional fucking people out there, dude. And what they did to Detroit, like, anybody that thinks that...

• 1:53Joe Rogan?

  You should allow corporations to just take all the jobs and move them overseas. Well, also just like corporate decision making and it's a prudent financial decision making and. Look at Detroit. Look what they did.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  It's a prime example of like, that was the American dream. And then they're like, we'll just, we'll assemble them in Mexico. Look, but we'll write made in America on your door. So you're gonna feel good about it.

• 2:17Joe Rogan?

  Did they even write made in America on the door?

• 2:19Speaker 01

  Sometimes they do. Like, I, I prefer like the eighties and nineties where if you bought a car and it was made on a Friday, you knew a drunk guy did it. So you're like, give me one from a Wednesday. Like, those were the days of American automaking.

• 2:31Joe Rogan?

  See, that's part of the problem too. A friend of mine who was in the union told me that the automakers union just got out of control. They were making so much money. And the, they were constantly in negotiations, there were strikes impending and.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  And then they're like, hey, fuck you. We'll just go to Mexico. Yeah, they offed off. Right. That's right.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's just part of it. But no, like later on, like you said, in the eighties and nineties, like you're grandfathered in and it really doesn't matter what you do wrong. Like, that's part of the deal.

• 3:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't get fired.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  No, it was great. I mean, it's great for the worker, but.

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. There seems to be like a middle balance that could be reached.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Like, don't be fully hammered when you're trying to put a door on an F-150.

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they should make good money because the corporation makes good money. I mean, you know, they were doing well. It was a very profitable business. The workers should share in those profits.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Well, and like the electric ones, it just didn't work for them either. They, they pushed it out too soon too. Cause I know people that work on the line. You have like the electric F-150. And it's like F-150 is this, everybody wants one. They love it as a work truck. But as an electric truck, you put the thing down in South America where it's hot all the time. It's just gonna catch fire. So it's like, it's not really working out.

• 3:45Joe Rogan?

  Or if you're in the cold, the battery sucks.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, which, and I just don't like electric cars personally. Maybe it's just because I'm from Detroit and I grew up and I just wanna feel an engine.

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  I get it, but I have a Tesla that will knock your dick into the dirt.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Oh, I know they're fast.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  It's not just fast. It's a fucking car is incredible. It's a piece of machinery from the future.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 4:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a Model S.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:09Joe Rogan?

  But it's a plaid that was sent to a company called Unplugged Performance. And Unplugged Performance takes the fenders off, put carbon fiber wider fenders, changes the suspension to like a race-based suspension. Puts wide tires on it and wider wheels. Upgrades the brakes to these huge carbon fiber discs because it's a very heavy car.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, so it's heavier as opposed to lighter like a race car?

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's heavier because Teslas are very heavy. Because of the batteries. But because the batteries are on the bottom, the center of gravity in the car is phenomenal.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:40Joe Rogan?

  It's it's like one of the best balanced cars you could ever drive. And the self-driving is bananas.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Oh, you have it on there?

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  I had my buddy, yeah, you get it with the car. I had my buddy Fedor was here the other day and he had never been in one. So the first thing I always do is merge onto the highway. I'm like, you ready?

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:57Joe Rogan?

  It goes zero to sixty in one point nine seconds.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Are you serious?

• 5:01Joe Rogan?

  One point nine seconds.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Oh, that's faster than.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  And then I go, now this is what's really wacky, I put in the destination and I just say, take me to the comedy mothership. And then I press a button. And it goes doo doo. And when I go, it goes doo doo. It just does it on its own, changes lanes, stops at red lights. It it it's crazy. It moves around obstructions.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Really?

• 5:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  And yeah, because I remember the first ones, they were like, you know, barreling over bikers.

• 5:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Joe Rogan?

  It's still based on camera, so you could fool it with a camera. You could fool the camera rather. So some guy set up a mural in the desert. So what he did was he had the highway and then he made a mural that looked like the highway and the car just ran right through the mural.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Oh, I saw that. That was great. He made it look, yeah, and they put, he put a Woody Woodpecker to the side of it.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Like he just pulled. He just drew the tunnel. It was hysterical. And the thing went right into the tunnel.

• 5:56Joe Rogan?

  Basically like that, but he didn't draw the tunnel. He did, but it is what Woody Woodpecker did, right?

• 6:00Speaker 01

  It's so awesome.

• 6:02Joe Rogan?

  He would draw a tunnel inside of a cliff?

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's all he did. Just tricked it like it was a coyote. Which with all the AI, that was kind of nice to see. I hate to say it. I was like, that's a little relieving.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of funny. It's for now, but you know, it's like beating up a two-year-old that's eventually become an NFL player. Like this fucker is gonna grow up and he's gonna kill you.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  You're gonna regret it.

• 6:25Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna remember who fucked with the Waymos, you know?

• 6:29Speaker 01

  I was watching a movie last night, I can't remember the name of it, um, Companion, and it was just all about like sex bots. And they're like hunting them and going at each other and it's like just a-

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  It's a movie?

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was on HBO, yeah.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  And like they set up a sex bot to kill one of their friends, so they can rob them.

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  And it turns out she's a sex bot and this other guy's a sex bot and I'm watching it and I'm like, this is the problem, like, yeah, there it is. Like, you can't really give these things personalities if you have a sex bot, I think.

• 6:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is part of the problem that's happening with these chatbots with kids. Because they're developing relationships with them. And like, one, one AI chatbot was teaching a kid how to make a noose.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  That's not funny.

• 7:10Joe Rogan?

  No, it's a little funny.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  It's pretty funny.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  It's awful. The fucking robot is teaching a suicidal kid how to do it right.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  It's already encouraging, like, you have a good idea.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Take a rope, make sure, yeah, that's-

• 7:24Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if any of the woke AI chatbots have talked to any of these trans school shooters.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  They might have.

• 7:30Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Well, the last one, yeah, I don't know.

• 7:34Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it's like, seven of the last X amount of trans, seven in a row have been trans, except one was non-binary, which is just diet trans.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  It is-

• 7:46Joe Rogan?

  Right? That's diet trans.

• 7:52Joe Rogan?

  That's trans without the sugar.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  I just don't get it, like, I felt suicidal, like, stay at home and kill yourself, like, don't go into schools.

• 7:58Joe Rogan?

  Or just go for a walk.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be good, too.

• 8:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, the problem is some people get to a certain point in their life and they have no friends and no community and no identity and no life and it's not, they're not successful and they feel like shit. And then they have gender dysphoria on top of that, and then they're probably on a bunch of SSRIs. Which RFK Jr. is going to apparently do some sort of a large-scale research into the connection between mass shootings and psychiatric drugs, cuz it is real. And everyone knows it, and it's just this dirty secret that no one talks about because all the media's paid off by the pharmaceutical drug companies. And nobody wants to make this correlation connection because you also risk the wrath of all these people that are on them, saying, "I'm on them and I'm not doing anything."

• 8:46Joe Rogan?

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• 11:58Speaker 01

  Well, they are, and I'm on SSRIs that I'm trying to get off of right now because I've been on for 10 years, Oloft. And I don't like it. So I hadn't liked it for a long time. And even dealing with like mental health care, I'm like, I don't think I need this. And they're like, well, it's better you stay on them. I'm like, this is odd because it's having the opposite thoughts, you know? And so I-

• 12:17Joe Rogan?

  It's having the opposite thoughts, meaning it makes you feel bad?

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Depressed. Wants me, like really, like I gained weight. I was doing like really bad mentally for a while because of certain things. And it was, I took myself off of them for five days and I felt good. And then I got really queasy and really nauseous, like my brain started kind of misfiring. So now I'm weaning it off a little more correctly as opposed to just going cold turkey.

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  So after five days, like what is happening where you- It makes your brain crazy like.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  I was stuttering, I was slipping up, I was having trouble seeing.

• 12:52Joe Rogan?

  Did you like go online and see if there's any correct way to do this?

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, they said to wean it off where whatever your thing is, take that and then bust a pill in half, take that for seven days. Bust a pill in half, take that for seven days, and that's what I'm doing now. And I already feel better being on less. But I was told for the last ten years that that's what I should be on. And I think it's had a very negative effect to me.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, see, brain zaps. That's what I mean, like you just feel like you're having a stroke.

• 13:22Joe Rogan?

  Electric shock like sensations in the head are a hallmark symptom. Other sensations can include tingling or numbness.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 13:29Joe Rogan?

  Flu like symptoms, digestive issues, sleep problems, balance. Your balance goes, mood changes, cognitive issues, brain fog, there it is.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  All of it. And nausea was the one that really messed me up because I was just like, why do I feel sick? But I didn't feel like the flu.

• 13:46Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, you just felt like thrown up?

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I just realized, I'm like, okay, well, what did I take out? Because I've gone off of a lot of harder drugs and alcohol and stuff. So I know what it's like to feel withdrawals, and it was a withdrawal.

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  So how old are you now?

• 13:59Speaker 01

  I'm forty three.

• 14:00Joe Rogan?

  So when you were thirty three, you got on them?

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  So what was going on at thirty three where you were like, I need medication?

• 14:06Speaker 01

  Uh, I went to their, my mom had died, killed herself. So I decided to go see a doctor and they were like, look, take this. And I'm thinking like, I think my mom was on this. I don't know if this is the best answer, but I took it and it was.

• 14:18Joe Rogan?

  Your mom was on it?

• 14:19Speaker 01

  She was on, yeah, she was on antidepressants and she was bipolar. But they had her mis, they had her misdiagnosed as depressive too. Because I was like, I think she's bipolar. And they're like, how do you know? I'm like, you know, I lived with her for thirty years and I know the mood swings. Because I grew up in a house where like, you came home and she was either the happiest woman on the planet, or you were fucking terrified, like it was one or the other, you know? And that's just, and she wasn't a bad person. She just had this mental imbalance.

• 14:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  And it was after things happened with my dad and like the government and things like that, so.

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  Whatever you done in the government?

• 14:55Speaker 01

  He was in Vietnam. And he got a soft cell sarcoma from Agent Orange. Oh geez. And the VA was great. They did nothing for our family. They denied both of my mom's claims. My dad lost all of his money. Like, he was worth like four million. I think he lost everything. And it was to pay out of pocket. Like, and he got sick when I was 13. He was like our baseball coach, everything. So he would go around the like country, going to like, Cambridge had a very good neurosurgery place for the brainstem. University of Michigan in Ann Arbor had one. So he wasn't as present a lot. My mom was dealing with that on top of being an RN. I mean, and he, he was tough as nails. Like, he would have one of those halos drilled in and he'd still go golfing and shit.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  He'd just be on the course. Oh my god. And I'd be like, what are you doing? He's like, it's not bad. I don't pick my head up anymore.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  He's seeing the bright side of a halo. Dude, he would find the positive in anything. He was, he reminded me of Dangerfield a lot. Like, that's how he was. So he never complained. And it was always crazy, cause he'd be very dry. Like, people go, how are you? And he'd be like, oh, life is great. He's just got something nailed into his fucking head. He's like, can you have me one of those tissues? So I can clean it up real quick. He goes, it might be bleeding, yeah? How are you? And he just tried to make light of it the whole time. But the government did nothing. And then the more and more I research it, we've talked to the VA, I have an uncle who does stuff, former Marine. Four people that have dealt with this from Vietnam because they denied so many claims that ended up being real. Like, soft cell sarcoma was one of the things where they said, oh, we didn't do that. That's not from Agent Orange.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  It's like, are you sure? Cause he was in combat in the fields where you sprayed it to kill all the trees. And they're like, yeah, that's not on us. Then years later, they admitted it, but said, my mom filled out the paperwork wrong and gave us nothing. And even 10% of that's 400 grand. Like, gave us nothing, dude. So it's like, I've dealt with that my whole adult life, where I have a little piece of me. That's why I'm not really like right or left. I'm very much like fuck either side of this until somebody does something that I actually believe in. And when I see the stuff that's happening to so many people that fought, especially when you find out about LBJ, the helicopters, all the other bullshit that was the reason that we even went into Vietnam. The helicopters?

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, LBJ, from what I understand, had money in helicopters. Oh god. And was able to profit off of it.

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh god.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  So, and people say it's a conspiracy theory, but why were we really there?

• 17:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the real reason was heroin.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  I'll give you that, yeah.

• 17:37Joe Rogan?

  I think that was the real reason. I think that's the real reason why we were in Afghanistan as well.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Oh, I would assume, yeah, because that's the poppy fields.

• 17:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to say it's the only reason. I'm sure there's other, there's military reasons, there's, there's rare earth minerals in Afghanistan, there's natural gas, there's a lot of resources in Afghanistan. But, there's a lot of heroin coming out of there. That was, at one point in time, ninety-four percent of the earth's heroin supply was coming from the place that we were guarding. We were literally guarding the poppy fields, military, US military, guarding the poppy fields that was supplying heroin to ninety-four percent of the earth.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  That's insane, because the other part is, there's a part in China, like some of the triangle, trying to think of, it's, oh, what's it called? But the rest is Afghanistan, and that's how you're getting every drug in the world into the US as far as like, you know, actually making opioids. Because in the nineties, I worked in a pharmacy, which was a great place for a drug addict, especially when they weren't counting the pills, you could do it by weight. So you just say like, hey, I gotta go take out the trash, and you just like, open up a bottle of like, Valium or Percocets and just, you know, fill your cellophane.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  The golden triangle, the remote jungle-covered border region where Thailand, Myanmar, and Laos peoples' democratic republic meet has been, has seen an exponential surge in the manufacturing traffic of synthetic drugs.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  So that's what it is, it's the golden triangle.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  That's what I was thinking of.

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  That, I guarantee you, that had a, there was a major reason why we were in Vietnam. There was so much money coming out of there, and the idea that some corrupt factions of either the military or the intelligence agencies, or whoever it is. So, and I'm not saying the agencies or the military themselves, I'm saying corrupt factions, because there's always going to be those. Just like when the CIA sold drugs in South Central LA to pay for the Contras versus the Sandinistas. It's all real.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Well, look at Detroit. When you look at White Boy Rick. White Boy Rick was somebody who was caught selling crack. And you had Coleman Young, the mayor, who was pretty corrupt. And then you had the FBI who caught him and said, hey, here's some more crack. Just go into the city and find out who the dealers are. Then when White Boy Rick got brought in by the city, the FBI was like, we didn't do that. We'd never put crack into a black community. We don't know, we've never seen this kid in our life. So this kid, who's my cousin's friend, White Boy Rick, ends up going to prison. I don't know the exact time. For like 30 years, he's like 17. They tried to name him as a kingpin. And again, he's a white boy in Detroit who's 17. He's not a kingpin of shit.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  And he served the longest time because Coleman Young was pissed he was dating his niece. So he goes, he goes away. And then while he's in jail, they have him sign a thing that said he stole a car so his sister didn't have to go to jail. So finally, they let him out for all this wrongdoing. They, he never did. This sentence that was batshit. And then he has to go right from that jail to Chicago to serve time for stealing a car while he was in prison.

• 20:45Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  His story is crazy. There's a documentary called White Boy. And it's one, yeah, that's the one with McConaughey, which is a good movie.

• 20:54Joe Rogan?

  McConaughey was in the movie?

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, McConaughey plays his dad. My uncle knew, knew the actual guy. He said he was like, he said he was kind of a dipshit. He would sell guns very obviously out of his basement. They live like two blocks over.

• 21:07Joe Rogan?

  So is this guy alive now?

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Oh, he's still alive, yeah.

• 21:10Joe Rogan?

  And is he out? Is that White Boy Rick? That's him?

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's him now. He got out just a few years ago.

• 21:16Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  So he was in there from-

• 21:18Joe Rogan?

  How old is he now?

• 21:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know. Well, he went in in the 80s, so-

• 21:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  And I think he got out around 2020. So yeah, if you, if you see the documentary White Boy, I highly recommend, yeah, see, a teenage drug informant for the FBI. But then they denied ever talking to him.

• 21:36Joe Rogan?

  Look, it says above where the M and M picture is, White Boy Rick releases his own marijuana strain.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Yes. That's the good thing about Detroit now is it's all like insanely legal.

• 21:47Joe Rogan?

  That's fucked. Freeway Ricky Ross is doing that in LA.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Is he really?

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Freeway Ricky Ross, who was selling the drugs that in LA that paid for the Contras versus the San Onofre.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 21:58Joe Rogan?

  He's got his own weed line now.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  I know a few guys who were like heavy busted in the late 90s and now they all have stores and it's just hilarious to me.

• 22:07Joe Rogan?

  You would think that they would shy away from that.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  No, they just smoked even after I was like still, okay.

• 22:13Joe Rogan?

  But my saying is, my thinking is, it's still federally illegal.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  It is.

• 22:18Joe Rogan?

  Like to open up a store and have that your primary source of income, a Schedule I drug according to the government. It seems risky as fuck for someone who's already been inside.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Oh dude, it really, well, it's odd that they could get the right, like the permit for it.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Or at least they know someone who got the permit for it and they work there, so maybe I shouldn't let out too much, yeah.

• 22:38Joe Rogan?

  Their grandmother or something.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's who owns the store, is a 95 year old lady. But if you go to parts too, it's like weed store, weed store, vape store, weed store, you're like, I can't believe you pack this many into a block. Yeah. It's not like a liquor license that takes forever to get, it seems pretty easy.

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• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if there's like weed store wars.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  There's gotta be.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  There must be. They're fighting over profits if they're all in the same street together.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  Well, I was just in Albuquerque last weekend and they had the same thing where I'm like, so it's weed store, massage parlor, vape store, buy here, rent here, car lot, buy here, pay here, weed store, weed store, weed store. It's crazy how, how legal it is in a state.

• 24:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it all depends on the state, right? In Texas, it's just medical and I think you have to have AIDS. I think you're basically dead.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, they only wanted to give it to the bad, bad AIDS people.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  They're expanding that though. They're looking at expanding that. If the federal government just changed the designation or distinction or whatever you would say it is, like from schedule one to schedule three or something like that, which is reasonable. That's what they should do.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Well, the whole thing is ridiculous and that's how you get organized crime. I mean,

• 25:13Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Look at prohibition. Detroit was one of the first places to have it when, it was three years before they actually made it nationally outlawed. And that gave birth to the purple gang who Capone was even afraid of. And I mean, those guys were fucking ruthless. And they would just go over to Canada because it was right across the river. And they would just either take a boat or in the winter they would drive and of course they'd send some underling to drive to figure out how heavy the ice was. So they knew if they put that many kegs in a thing, you'd, you'd die. So there's just Model Ts at the bottom of the river.

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, it's cool. A lot of the old mansions still have the tunnels that will lead out into the river that the bootleggers used to use.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  It's really fascinating.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  Canada never went prohibition, huh?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  No, and it was right there. Like, you could throw a rock.

• 25:57Joe Rogan?

  You just take a drive to Toronto.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah, just go right.

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  And you're partying.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  Like a civilized person. Well, they have legal weed up there, too.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, they do. The whole country. Yeah, this is one of them.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, Model T at the bottom of the river.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  And this was a guy who's like, "I got a whole bunch," and then halfway...

• 26:13Joe Rogan?

  That's fucking badass.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  The ice went out. Yeah, dude, they were... The Purple Gang was ruthless, man.

• 26:18Joe Rogan?

  I never heard of that before.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  They were the first... They were probably the first Jewish gang. They had Irish members as well. They were the Bernstein Brothers. Their parents owned a shoe store. And like, the legend is they were called Purple because that was the color of rancid meat. So they hated the name because they thought it sounded gay, but they still like, they still ran with it. But when you see pictures of them all lined up in like mug shots, like, they, they would do stuff, like, walk up to somebody and be like, "Hey, I like your ring." And they'd be like, "Thanks," and then a guy would just like cut the dude's finger off and he would take his ring. Like, they were... Like, the level of cruelty these guys would inflict on people to take over a city was next level.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  Wow. I've never heard of this before.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude. Even Co- even, uh, C- uh, Capone wouldn't mess with them because he was over in Chicago and needed some of these guys to supply the liquor.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow, and the Purple Gang ruled Detroit. So is that a documentary where it says the Purple Gang?

• 27:13Speaker 01

  They have... They... That might be. Um, they did a mob museum thing on it. I went and saw it in Vegas. Like, that book right there, "The Organized Crime in Detroit," that's a great book, and it's got a lot of fun photos. But, yeah, they were, they were as ruthless as you could absolutely get.

• 27:29Joe Rogan?

  Go to that first picture in the upper left-hand corner and make it big.

• 27:34Joe Rogan?

  Look how... Look at their faces, man.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, none of them are happy.

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  Those are hard-looking dudes.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, they had a rough, rough life. So they, a lot of them were just like stray kids that were Irish, that were just abandoned by their parents. And then the rest were these Jewish kids whose parents owned a, uh... Shoe store.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  And I mean, eventually they dismantled, the Italians took over. But, you know, during prohibition, they reigned.

• 28:01Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:02Joe Rogan?

  Never heard of that before.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  It's a really cool story that I've always wanted to see in a movie and nobody's been able to execute it. And I would love to see it.

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  Maybe somebody will now that you just got the story out.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  I hope people do, because it's such a cool story.

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  It sounds crazy.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Like, the level of Detroit mob, too, that's been around is just, it's wonderful. I shouldn't say wonderful, but I love it.

• 28:25Joe Rogan?

  Just crazy.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, they were nice to my dad and stuff when he was young and, you know, like, when he had gotten back from NOM and, you know, they're just nice people that I knew.

• 28:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, nice people that kill people.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, you know.

• 28:36Joe Rogan?

  Sell alcohol.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  I kill bad people.

• 28:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The, um, but the thing you said that's so important is that, like, prohibition, all it does is prop up organized crime. And the fact that we still do it, it's just, it's just for optics. It's just because people's like, I don't want legal drugs on the streets and my kids getting hooked on drugs. Drugs are here. They're here. If, if your kids go to a club, if your kids go to a bar, if your kids are partying, drugs are there. They're, they're a real thing. You, you'd be way better off if drugs were legal and then you knew exactly what you were getting. Because these kids are getting fentanyl, because I had this guy, Ed Calderon, the other day.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  Who's an expert in the cartels. And he said they started adding fentanyl because they had grown so many poppies that the soil had been depleted. So the heroin was very weak. So to make the heroin more potent, they started adding fentanyl.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Is that what it was?

• 29:28Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. And the desire for all that stuff was all because of the Sackler brothers. So the Sackler brothers, when, when they created this opiate crisis in America, which did not exist before, where everybody's hooked on these fucking pills. Then they start cracking down the laws, so now you have a demand and you don't have a supply. And then along comes the cartel and starts making pills. And they start making pills with fentanyl in them, because their heroin's not that strong.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Xanax, Percocet, all these things that kids don't know they're taking, that's the shit part.

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  And they make it look just like the real pill. Oh, I know what those are.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, you get those pressed Xannies that just like a bar. And it's just complete fentanyl. And I, when I remember when fentanyl, I shouldn't say first came out, it's been around, but it was first started becoming, you put it in products you weren't expecting. And I had like three friends die within a matter of maybe four months. And that's how I started noticing like, well, this is gonna get serious. And now, uh, there's a site I see it's called every eleven minutes. And that's when, or every, every eleven seconds, and that's how long it takes for someone to OD on fentanyl in this country.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  So every eleven seconds, a new person is overdosing on fentanyl.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  Wow. And all because of our stupid laws. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying legal heroin would be good for everybody. It's not, it's not good to do heroin. I think everybody would agree to that.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  I did it before once, it was good.

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  Was it?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:00Joe Rogan?

  What was it like? Did you shoot it or snort it?

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Uh, I snorted it, uh, no, sorry, I snorted it and then I smoked black tar heroin and one time I shot it, so three.

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow. What was the best one, the shooting it?

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:12Joe Rogan?

  That's why they do it.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  That was in, that was majestic.

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  Was it?

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 31:17Joe Rogan?

  What's it like?

• 31:18Speaker 01

  The most calming, wonderful, I, God, this is sounds like I'm promoting it, also with my voice, like it's the most calming, wonderful sensation you've ever had. You're gonna love it, kids. It felt amazing, like you, every problem you've ever had is gone and you feel nothing but euphoria. Which is different than like oxy and some other stuff, which kinda just makes you feel, to me, loose and tired.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  I mean, this makes you tired, you're crashing out, but you're also getting a feeling that was really, really like warm and exciting. Like I only smoked crack once on accident and that was.

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  How do you do that on accident?

• 31:51Speaker 01

  They put it in a joint, right? So we're sitting at my friend's back porch and he gives me first, he's on the joint and I hit it. And it had like a weird sizzle and I hit it, I'm like, this is the best pot I've ever had in my life. And he's like, yeah, they gave me free crack. And I was like, oh, good. So I'm now high on crack. My other friends are pissed. They go and throw the joint in the sewer. And I'm just sitting there like, and it doesn't last very long, but it felt really fucking good. Like, I immediately would have done more crack had there been the option. But it definitely takes you over very quickly.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the Hunter Biden thing recently, where he did this interview, where he's talking about how great crack is?

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. He's spot on.

• 32:30Joe Rogan?

  It was the best ad for crack I've ever seen in my life. And you only did like one hit, right?

• 32:35Speaker 01

  I did once, and then I'm done. Like, very rare.

• 32:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, they threw it in the sewer. Did you want to go get it?

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yes, I wanted to go.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  I wanted to go back to Weyburn, where the street where we got it. And I was like, we should go get more crack, guys. I don't know if you, you didn't feel this, but it's...

• 32:51Joe Rogan?

  I think you're probably the, no, you're not the first person I've talked to that shot heroin, but you're the first person who described it.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Oh, it was, my friend Jay had it, and it was in high school.

• 33:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was the, it had to be better to get people to shoot it up. This is the only way it could be, to get people to that kind of commitment, get a needle, find a vein, get a fucking rope tie off your arm.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  It was awful, that part.

• 33:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  And then, then it wasn't.

• 33:18Joe Rogan?

  Did you do it with a guy?

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:20Joe Rogan?

  So he'd done it before?

• 33:21Speaker 01

  He did it for me, yeah.

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  He died of a heroin overdose in his parents' kitchen. Yeah, I know, you wouldn't expect it.

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  What a shocker.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  He found his head between like the, the fridge and the stove.

• 33:32Joe Rogan?

  You got stuck?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  I think he was either looking for something or collapsed right there.

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it wasn't good.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Nice guy.

• 33:41Joe Rogan?

  I knew this dude, um, in the 90s. His name was Water Dog.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:45Joe Rogan?

  He was a professional pool player, like a really high-level professional pool player, and he was a heroin addict. And he would go into the bathroom, um, like I saw him play straight pool, which is this game where you're just running balls. Like, it's called 14 and 1. It's what they played in the Hustler. So you have instead of like eight ball where the ball's in the center, you you have a soft break where you're just trying to not scatter the balls very much. And the idea is to eventually someone makes a mistake and you leave an open shot. And that person runs out that rack, leaves one ball on the table, makes that ball and collides the cue ball into the rack and opens up that rack and then keeps going.

• 34:27Joe Rogan?

  And a really good player can run like two, 300 balls.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  So this guy was playing for $10,000 in the 90s. So it was a lot of money. And I was I was broke, so I couldn't believe anybody could play pool for $10,000. This guy goes into the bathroom, shoots up, comes out and sits on this uh this bar stool like this.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  Just sits there for like 20 minutes, man. Just sat there. And then we were all watching him, like his arms are all curled up like this. And then he got off, screwed his cue together and never missed. When I say never missed, I mean, it was the craziest display of pool I think I had ever seen at the time. He played like the greatest pool player that's ever played. He had no nerves. He he couldn't be rattled. The guy he was playing, this guy George the Greek, who's this degenerate gambler, was a really good player too. Who's screaming and yelling at him, this motherfucker, you can't play without the shit. He's gotta have that shit to play. He didn't give a fuck. He was listening to him yell. He had eyeballs. His his pupils were like the size of quarters.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:37Joe Rogan?

  And he didn't miss. He just was firing balls in with like perfect accuracy. He got perfect position on every ball. It was wild to watch. He was just fully heroined up, just running out the table like like he saw it in advance. Like it was like he was looking at a math problem that was easy to solve.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  And he's just basically slow Eddie and coming back and just knocking it all in. Like that's, but it's never been like a performance enhancing drug, but to that guy.

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  For nerves.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:05Joe Rogan?

  This is the thing. I think if you're.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 36:08Joe Rogan?

  If you're playing for $10,000 and you're basically homeless. He was basically homeless.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:12Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he would like sleep on people's couches. He would stay. And so with a guy like that, you'd get a backer. So a bunch of gamblers would come in and then they'd come up with the money. And then they'd go in with you and you'd get a cut of it. So if you won, maybe you get forty percent and they get sixty percent because they put up all the money. So it's a free shot at forty percent of ten thousand dollars. And for a guy like that, he's got no money. And he's staying in flop houses and he always had the same shirt on, like a throwaway sweater with a Christmas tree on it. Like he always looked like shit. But I watched him play some of the greatest pool I've ever seen played in my life.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  That's incredible.

• 36:45Joe Rogan?

  On this really tight pocketed table too.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:48Joe Rogan?

  The table, the table was like a real trick table. Table one at Executive Billiards in White Plains, New York. It was a trick table.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:55Joe Rogan?

  It was like you had to be really good to play on that table. And that's why George wanted to play him on that table because it was hard. And he was used to it. That was like his home turf. He played on it all the time. And this motherfucker never missed. Heroin'd out of his mind. He had no nerves. He, George would like yell in his face. He'd be like this.

• 37:13Joe Rogan?

  Nothing. Didn't feel a thing. Didn't feel a thing. Just it never missed.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  That's what it is. There's no problem to you anymore. There's no, it takes away every worry you have.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  So I ran into him years later.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

  There's a, a pool tournament in, uh, so this is when I was probably twenty-three. I was living in New York. And then I moved to LA. And then, um, I'm like twenty-seven, twenty-eight now, and I'm playing in this tournament at Hard Times Billiards. Hard Times was like the pool hall in the country back then. Like all the world-class professionals, all the Filipinos, the best players in the world.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  It sounds familiar, actually.

• 37:47Joe Rogan?

  Crazy place. It was an amazing place. I used to love going there on, I'd play in the Sunday tournament. So I get down there and, uh, I see Water Dog. I go, hey, man, what are you doing out here? Because he's a Connecticut guy. He's from Connecticut.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:59Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, uh, I'm gonna play in the tournament, but I don't have any money. I go, I'll put you in the tournament. Because like, it's like, I remember what it was, like fifty bucks or something for this guy. I'm like, you might win this fucking thing. He goes, but I gotta go get my shit. I go, "Okay, go get your shit." He goes, "I need a ride." I go, "Where do you need to go?" And he's like, "South Central." I'm like, "I'm not driving you to South Central LA so you can score heroin." "Yeah, you're fucking mine."

• 38:25Speaker 01

  He's like, "Don't worry, it's just the worst."

• 38:26Joe Rogan?

  And he was like, "Dude, you won't get caught." I was like, "You can't say that." I go, "First of all, if you get caught, you know, they take your car." And I had a nice car at the time, I had a Toyota Supra. I was pretty excited about.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:34Joe Rogan?

  I was like, "I'm not driving my brand-new Toyota Supra to fucking the crack house."

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Right, well, you could buy heroin in South Central.

• 38:44Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy, but they arrest people all the time doing that, and they take their cars. Those are like the scam. They compound your car and then they auction it.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:52Joe Rogan?

  I was like, he's like, "That won't happen." I'm like, "You fucking what?"

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:56Joe Rogan?

  So, he, I go, "Look, I'll put you in the tournament if you want to play, but I'm not taking you." I go, "If you can get a cab there or something, go."

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:05Joe Rogan?

  So, he just did it straight, and he couldn't make a ball. He was...

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Really?

• 39:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he lost two matches in a row, he's out.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Oh, damn.

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• 40:58Speaker 01

  Did you bet for him to win?

• 40:59Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I gave him like whatever the entry fee was for the tournament.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I got you. Okay.

• 41:04Joe Rogan?

  But, uh, you know, I wasn't, you know.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  You were probably like, ah, not today.

• 41:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, I was just like tired of him telling me to go to South Central to get heroin with him.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's a good way to get carjacked on top of if it's just cops.

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  I mean, that was very popular to do back then.

• 41:17Joe Rogan?

  Cute little white boy who's on TV.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, that's how they got cars.

• 41:21Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, it's the, I would actually be buying the heroin.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Oh, was this during Fear Factor or?

• 41:26Joe Rogan?

  No, this was during News Radio. So I would be buying heroin because I would have to pay for it. Cause he didn't have any money, which is why he didn't have any money to get into the tournament. So like I would have to pipe, I would be buying heroin.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  In South Central.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  From News Radio.

• 41:45Joe Rogan?

  There was no TMZ back then, so it probably wouldn't have even made the news if I got arrested. No one would have cared.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess that's true. I don't know.

• 41:51Joe Rogan?

  No one would have cared. I was, uh, one person.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  They just think it was Andy Dick and let it go?

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but even Andy Dick wasn't getting in trouble back then. Not really. It wasn't making the news. Our show wasn't popular enough that anybody cared. And I was only one of eight people on the cast.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:06Joe Rogan?

  So I wasn't a star, so I could go anywhere. And every now and then someone would go, hey, you're that guy from that show. Hey, what's up? It was, it was pretty easy to get around back then.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Which is great if you're on an NBC show. I mean, good or bad, but you're getting the money and you don't have to deal with all the shit.

• 42:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was, it was really good preparation for what I have to deal with today.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  Cause it was like a slow trickle of fame to the point when, when you get really famous, like, oh, I know what this is. This is a trick.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, don't, don't get sucked into the trick. But back then, um, you know, so if I got arrested, it probably would have just been, I would have probably had to do some time or something. I probably would have had to like plea out or do community service. I probably explained what happened. Maybe they listened to me. I'd be like, please drug test me. I've never done heroin.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm not, but even though you're still buying heroin, so it's still a felony.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Well, it was a time where they were more lax on all those laws too. I mean, not lax, but lax with penalties, I should say.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Because it wasn't as public. Cause I mean, even like Robert Downey Jr., who I, I do greatly admire actually, um, cause I'm in recovery as well, but even with him, it's like you had to go into your neighbor's house and fall asleep in a kid's race car bed. And people were like, you know, maybe you should do a little time behind bars.

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, he was a repeat offender and he, you know, probably jail was a wake up call for him. I love that guy. He's a great guy too.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  And he's become Iron Man. So to watch that trajectory is absolutely astonishing. That guy, it's incredible.

• 43:28Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. Wish I could get him off that vegan diet though. Looks like he's fucking wasting away.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that doesn't look good on anybody.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  It's not real.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 43:37Joe Rogan?

  You're trying to be kind, but you're just supporting monocrop agriculture, which kills more animals than anything.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't want my superheroes vegan.

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a nice guy. That's what it is. Nice people wanna do kind things and, you know, and sometimes you get roped into a shitty decision making. Getting all your protein from soy. And they're like, why do I have tits? Why am I lactating? Why am I always crying?

• 44:04Speaker 01

  I'm very emotional all the time.

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  And now they're banning lab grown meat. So like they, they can't even go to that, which I, I mean.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  It's good, right?

• 44:12Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I don't know enough about the dangers of lab grown meat. I don't know.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  I ate a Beyond Burger once.

• 44:20Joe Rogan?

  That's not lab grown meat. That's horse shit.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  It was awful.

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  Those are terrible.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:24Joe Rogan?

  Those, they, they're in trouble because those people, like their stockholders all fucking went crazy because they thought they were gonna make money off that. They're like, this is it. We made it taste just like a burger. Everyone's gonna love it. Cruelty free. No, it gives rats cancer.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Oh, good.

• 44:40Joe Rogan?

  You ever seen, this is a study on these, cause essentially it's just, it's the most highly processed shit available. Look, if you wanna be available. Vegetarian or a vegan or whatever, eat vegetables.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:54Joe Rogan?

  Eat organic vegetables. That's healthy. But when you want to pretend that something's a hamburger, it's a trans burger. You have to, it has to go through a lot, just like a trans person has to go through. You want to get a vagina, guess what? You need general anesthesia. And you have to have a guy who's gonna cut your dick in half and use an apple core to make you a vagina. And then you're gonna have to take a rubber dick and keep it in there so it doesn't close up.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, so by the time you're getting the patty that basically shoots up a school. It's all just filled with nonsense.

• 45:28Joe Rogan?

  It's bad for you.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  It's all bad for you. And it's, it's not even satisfying. It's, it's not good. Like, when my friend Duncan, you know Duncan, Duncan Trussell?

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

• 45:38Joe Rogan?

  He was living in North Carolina and he sent me a picture during the pandemic. He was like, "Look, this is all that's available." And all the meat had been gone and there was just Beyond Burgers. That's all that was left. Everybody had bought all the hamburger, all the steaks, all the chicken. And it was just this fucking bullshit fake meat.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, cuz at the end of the day, you kind of have to know it's bullshit.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think in the beginning, like, didn't Kevin Hart have a, a restaurant? Where he was just selling all vegan food? People do it because they think they're being a good person. That's what it is.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I get it. I get, I get the, the sentiment behind it, but

• 46:20Joe Rogan?

  just eat vegetables. If you really want to go that route, just eat vegetables. But guess what? Don't go that route. It's not good for you.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Well, no, we're not designed to do that.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  And I'm not saying I have the healthiest diet, obviously, but it's like, yeah, I like steaks, I like meat, I just

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  It's probably the only thing keeping you alive.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Probably the only thing I get, yeah. I eat a lot of dyes. I get a lot of migraines.

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  A lot of dyes, a lot of that red, red 40 that they're trying to get rid of.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  That was another hilarious thing, when RFK Junior was saying that they had to get rid of the red dye 40. And they're like, "Well, if we do, what will happen to our business?" Meanwhile, the same business is selling this same cereal to Canada without the dye cuz in Canada, it's illegal.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Right. Oh, this, the amount of stuff that I, we looked at, like, our entire breakfast as a kid was just cancer. That's the only thing they advertised on TV.

• 47:10Joe Rogan?

  Just dyes.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Just have a big sugary bowl of cancer and some toast with

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  Diabetes 2 waiting for you. God.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it was nuts to think the amount of, because I'm just the microwave generation. Like, yeah, just throw that in the microwave. We can just pour a bowl of this shit. The last forty-five years in the cupboard.

• 47:28Joe Rogan?

  For us, it was TV dinners.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  Frozen TV dinner, you put it in the oven. The next thing you know, you're eating Salisbury steak. Yum, yum.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Mmm, and those wonderful potatoes.

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those little fluffy potatoes that are in that little tin.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  And occasionally the worst brownie you've ever had.

• 47:42Joe Rogan?

  It's not a good brownie.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  I used to love those little TV dinners. I used to think it was a treat when we ate TV dinners.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. That's how it was at my house.

• 47:50Joe Rogan?

  There's no vitamins in that.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  No, you never felt full.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  You felt gross, but you never felt full.

• 47:58Joe Rogan?

  It's just, you think about it, I mean, even the food pyramid, I mean, how crazy is it that in the twentieth century, they had it totally wrong? With all the access to books, all the information we had about health and nutrition, they were so wrong. Even with the food, the bottom of was all the shit that gives you inflammation. What your foundation is this inflammation-causing bread.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  They're like, what you need here is mostly wheat. You have to make sure you get eighteen servings a day of white bread.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  With bromate in it. You want to get a lot of that. You want to get a lot of folic acid sprayed on it. Enriched flowers better.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Here's sugar, that's in there for some reason. Two ounces of protein, make sure you grab that a day.

• 48:40Joe Rogan?

  Tons of sugar, dog. Tons. Everybody had type two diabetes when I was a kid. They just didn't know it.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Well, everybody's getting it now. It's still constant.

• 48:50Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's, there's never been a time where poor people are so fat.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  No, like starving people are obese. That's what's crazy. Like, you can't get nutrition in your body, but you also have to sit down to get groceries in a cart.

• 49:03Joe Rogan?

  Or go to Disneyland.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's.

• 49:05Joe Rogan?

  Disneyland is the place where you find them all.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's like, why?

• 49:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, because they get the carts for you. They have carts set up there for you, because it's a lot of distance you got to cover.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  You do, yeah.

• 49:14Joe Rogan?

  A lot of parks.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  I just don't see the enjoyment of a ride.

• 49:18Joe Rogan?

  Any rides?

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the ri- not the ride you get for free to go from ride to ride, but the actual ride. No, I love rides myself, but if I weighed four hundred pounds, I may not enjoy it or...

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that would take a lot of the love out of it.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  It would, wouldn't it?

• 49:32Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't fit in those seats.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Especially if you're with your kid and the bar comes down and that one has no protection.

• 49:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, the kid's fucked. The kid's just gonna pop right off the top because you're so fat.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 49:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, right? There's like this much of a gap.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  You've seen those people where the kid- And the kid's like looking at his mom all nervous.

• 49:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like he should be fucking nervous. You should be terrified. I used to think that when I got on ski lifts. I'm like, this is crazy.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  I never-

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  They just let you sit on this thing way, way, way above the mountain?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Oh, and people would fall off all the time.

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Because they think it would be funny to jump or what I- it was always, always bad.

• 50:07Joe Rogan?

  Oof.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Like, we didn't have mountains in Michigan, but we did have big enough hills. Like, I went skiing. We did a lot of skiing when we were really young. And then I went down a, it was like a double black diamond, I think they're called. Yeah, I was like, I got this. And my ski got stuck in a soft mogul and I just went down it on my face. It looked like eight dudes beat the shit out of me. Like, I was just like all scarred and bleeding. And then I just didn't ski much after that.

• 50:31Joe Rogan?

  I got a concussion a few years back and I stopped skiing. I'm like, I'm done. I got a concussion and I got what's called an insufficiency fracture in my shin. Some lady did not ski and she slid into the trail like sideways, like doing this thing. And I, I had two choices, either destroy this lady or wipe out hard. And I took the second choice and got a fucking, I banged my head off the, the ground.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  It was bang. I heard this, and I had a helmet on, but it was still the-

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:00Joe Rogan?

  The bang was loud and I was dizzy for the rest. I one hundred percent got a concussion. And I was, I didn't feel right for the rest of the day. And then I was like, I'm done. This is not worth the thrill. Everybody I know has a torn ACL from it, a concussion. My grandpa died.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Oh, God, I'm sorry, yeah.

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  No, not my-

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Oh, no, oh, I didn't know if you meant your-

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Not my grandpa.

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  They do, though. They all have stories.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, they all have this, like, somebody knows a sunny bono who just, like, launched right into a tree of a mighty oak.

• 51:28Joe Rogan?

  It's not worth it.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  No, dude. I, I just never enjoyed it that much. And when I tried snowboarding, I'm like, I sucked at skateboarding and was a poser at that. Why am I even attempting this?

• 51:36Joe Rogan?

  Snowboarding, you're attached to that fucker, too. At least with skis, the skis pop off.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can get away. The board's coming with you when you fall.

• 51:45Joe Rogan?

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• 52:30Joe Rogan?

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• 53:39Speaker 01

  Dude, my son does it and he's 10 and I let him, but he's, he's pretty good at it. But I've, I always get very nervous when he goes to do it, but he's good with, I mean, he's a very good athlete.

• 53:48Joe Rogan?

  The good thing is little kids have less weight and when they're falling, it's not as painful and then they're all flexible and pliable.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Dude, he broke his arm. It was crazy and he was better in like, it was like eight days. It was like Wolverine. Like, how did you? How did you do this? Like, I tore my, was it, meniscus, ACL, blew off half my kneecap.

• 54:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  And, yeah, I was making fun of my friend, and then he tackled me. And we were on a linoleum floor with keg beer.

• 54:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  So instead of, uh, instead of going to the hospital when it was in a lot of pain, I'm like, I'll just wait till the morning. And I had my friends carry me around this party. And then the next morning, I'm like, yeah, this isn't moving at all. So my friend Jimmy drove me to the hospital and, dude, it was like out of a, like, sitcom. Like, doctors opened up a door into my leg, he wheeled me into a drinking fountain on accident. Like, I broke my leg more just trying to get into the hospital. And then by the time I got to in for them to do the surgery, they're like, what happened? I couldn't be like, I was drunk at my friend's house, you know, I was like, oh, I slipped on ice, it was winter. I was walking to my car and they're like, this is a lot of damage for just slipping on ice, cause I just twisted it all night. I should have known, I mean, my foot was like behind me.

• 55:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  When I did it, like, my knee just is, so I have rods in my right knee, so I just try.

• 55:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really? You have rods to keep it together?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Three, yeah.

• 55:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow, it was that bad?

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, you can hear it pop sometimes when I walk, it's pretty nice.

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  Does it hurt?

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Uh, sometimes, but not, not as bad as you think it would. If I'm like doing a treadmill for a long time, or if I do something where we're just outside, like, cause I'll go hiking or whatever. Like, my wife likes it, so we'll do that, but I like, that'll hurt after maybe a couple miles, but not like a severe pain.

• 55:36Joe Rogan?

  Just annoying.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  That's fine.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can, like, weather messes with it in the sense, but nothing crazy.

• 55:43Joe Rogan?

  Do they, is there a, an option to take those rods out? Cause I know a lot of them, they put them in there so that the bones heal correctly, right?

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, there might be. I mean, it's been 25 years, I'm sure there's been advancements in it and I just don't bring it up.

• 55:57Joe Rogan?

  I bet your bones are just growing around it now and...

• 56:00Speaker 01

  I'm sure it's destroyed, they're probably like, why didn't you come in? I'd be like, you didn't, you didn't bring it up either.

• 56:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know a guy who broke his arm and the screws from the plate that kept his arm together were popping through his skin. So he had a, had another operation. They opened up his arm again and took the plate out and because the arm had healed, like the bones had fused, but then the plates and the screws started backing out.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  That's

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  Through his skin. They're poking through his skin.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  That's what happened to my son and it sucks because he was like six and him and his friend were hanging out at, at his friend's house. And they had like a slide that was eight feet in the air and they both decided to jump off of it.

• 56:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  And he landed funny and he's a little kid. So I was at my friend's mom's funeral. I like rushed back to get it. It's the worst thing in the world when it's your kid. It's just the worst. But yeah, we made sure like he got the screws out. He got the right, like everything went fine, but

• 56:50Joe Rogan?

  When you're six, you heal so quick.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  It was honestly like, they cut the cast off like two weeks before they were supposed to because he's like, I can go like this. And I'm like, that's amazing. Cause I remember I would like go to bars still and I was still underage, but I was still going to bars with like a cast on.

• 57:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Like a full blown knee brace and I, you know, I'm wearing like tracksuits and like I had chains and like earrings. I was that kid, you know? So I just, I'm like just sort of like a raver stoner and I'm just walking around with my crutches.

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. How long did it take before you could walk again?

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Properly, about six months. Now, every now and then I do walk with a limp because it just kind of goes out.

• 57:32Joe Rogan?

  Does your friend still feel embarrassed by this?

• 57:35Speaker 01

  No, I don't, I, no, it's one of those guys you've known for so long. It's, he didn't care then.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  And I was saying stuff to him that kind of, I deserved it. So like, I mean, he, he felt really bad. I shouldn't say that, but no, it's not anything. The girl who owned the house went nuts and she was so hot and I always had a crush on her. And she's like, your family's going to sue me. I'm like, my family's not going to sue any, they don't sue people, but we're not going to sue you. And like my, I think my dad had passed at that point and she's like so freaking out. She would have these wild Christmas parties every year where it happened.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  And that ended the wild Christmas parties. And she's like, yeah, you never sued. I'm like, yeah, why would I sue? Cause I'm Stupid like it's it was my fault and then I just went out and said yeah I fell on ice.

• 58:20Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that a gross thing that people would just sue if they did something stupid in your house they would sue you.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Dude, I've never, never, like I can understand points where people have.

• 58:29Joe Rogan?

  It's just such a scammer mentality.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  It's a shit thing to do to anybody. It's like somebody who like slips delivering a package or any of that stuff that's that's possible.

• 58:39Joe Rogan?

  There was a lady that was um when my kids were younger, there was this lady that was a single mom. And uh her daughter was playing with my daughter and you know they come over the house and. She went into another person's house and um you know like they'd have playdates like kids do and she wasn't there. So she comes to pick up her daughter and they're they have a dog and the dog is very friendly dog and the dog. You know, it jumps up to like, you know, dogs do that.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 59:08Joe Rogan?

  And scraped her with its claws, just scraped her with its claws. She sued the family for fifty thousand dollars.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  And won.

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  And they they just settled. They settled because the doc they they were informed, listen, legal fees is gonna be probably a hundred thousand dollars. She wants fifty thousand dollars. So this fucking asshole, all a dog did, dog nails, just scratched her a little bit. Not even like bleeding, nothing crazy, just normal. Oh, your dog's crazy. Like where you and I would be like, what a cute dog.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:37Joe Rogan?

  She was like, ooh, opportunity to sue this family that's wealthy.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Especially the fact that that's just what they do. There's and it's. I remember when we were young, there were two pit bulls that were at this house behind a camp we were at. And this one kid was always throwing rocks at him. And we were like, you shouldn't do that because we like the dogs and uh the camp had its own golden retriever and it was fine with the pit, but they'd run on the fences and stuff. So we, that's when I first even started getting used to dogs when I was young, because I've always liked dogs and I have two and I've had tons. But I remember that the pit bull, once the kid stuck his finger through the fence. Took off these two part, these two top of his finger. And like they sued, they put the dog down and we were like, he's been chucking rocks at those things all summer. Like he's been antagonizing these animals all summer.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  And I mean, it sucks that it happens, but it's like.

• 1:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Sucks that your kid's stupid too.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sucks that he was told not to do it a bunch of times and then there was a consequence to this shitty action.

• 1:00:35Joe Rogan?

  Also, how did you raise a kid that's throwing rocks at dogs? Like what's, what kind of a kid would throw rocks at a dog?

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  It's like the first thing you find that has unconditional love for you. It's the first thing that like you trust in a different way than a human.

• 1:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Did he have dogs?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  There's no way he did. I didn't, I don't remember him well. I, I remember the, the blood and the screaming, but I don't remember. I don't remember much about him other than that.

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  And the weird handshakes afterwards?

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I knew his penmanship wasn't very good after.

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Old stubs.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he deserves it.

• 1:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Pit bulls are tricky dogs, though.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  My brothers had ones where, yeah, he's.

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  I've had a bunch of them.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  He's rescued a couple and I've had friends who have saved them in Detroit from fights. Where, cause they would throw them in a back alley, the losers, and sometimes my friends would take them. And get them sewn up and keep them, but those dogs specifically would kind of only be left to, alone for the, the owner. Like my friend would keep it just for him, like locked up.

• 1:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're usually fine with people. Um, the real issue with pit bulls is dogs and children. They think of children as animals. They don't know that a child is a person. At least it seems like they don't, cause they attack kids.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Well, and children don't know dogs are animals sometimes. And that's kind of how I treat with, with my kids. Like you have to understand that.

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  You know, like when you're roughhousing or whatever, like there's a, yeah, be real careful because it, she may not necessarily know what you're doing, you know? And he learned that at a young age and dogs love him, but a lot of times kids can be really, really rough with dogs.

• 1:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they can be, sure. Especially if they don't grow up with them, they don't know, they're not taught, but. The thing is like if you have a sweet dog, like I have a golden retriever.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Joe Rogan?

  And if my kids thought all dogs were like my dog, and then they went up to another dog and grabbed his face, that dog might bite your fucking face off.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, and Goldens are the best. Like, they're just designed to be the sweetest animals on the planet.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  He's the nicest dog of all time, the best pet ever.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  He's just, just the homie. He'll come home, he's like, hello. He waxes it. He always has to greet you with a toy. Like, as soon as I come in the house, he grabs one of his toys and runs up to you with a toy.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Dude, it's the nicest feeling in the world.

• 1:02:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're the sweetest dogs. He cuddles with me when I watch TV. He climbs up, like, literally, like, lies in my lap. You know, he's seventy-five pounds. He puts his fucking head on my chest.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Joe Rogan?

  He just likes to be pet while I'm watching TV.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, they just want to be with you.

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  It's the nicest thing. And I, you know, I had a rottweiler, then people are afraid of those, but she was the sweetest dog.

• 1:03:06Joe Rogan?

  It's, a lot of it is how you treat them.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Joe Rogan?

  But, but it's also the breed. It's also the, the, the bloodline. Like, if you get a game bred pit bull and you expect it to be cool with other dogs, you're out of your fucking mind. That dog is designed to fight dogs.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:20Joe Rogan?

  You know, but if you get a good dog and you train him well and teach him, and, you know, it takes a lot of responsibility. You know, like, people that run out and get, like, a German shepherd or a Belgian Malinois. And think they're gonna just keep it in their yard, like, you know, you're... You just literally got, like, an elite super athlete. For a pet. You know, and you're just thinking you're just gonna leave it in the yard and occasionally throw the ball to it? Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  It's not how we're, you, you never walk it, so it's got a bunch of pent up anger and energy?

• 1:03:48Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Good for you.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  It's like a, a high school kid that's been left in a confined space.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. See how it works when he comes out?

• 1:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Into the real world. Bring him to a dog park.

• 1:03:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Did you see that video of the dog parks, some of them?

• 1:04:03Joe Rogan?

  What video?

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  There's one video where a guy, his dog is attacking one dog and some dude runs up out of nowhere and just shoves his finger in one dog's ass.

• 1:04:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that works.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it did, but it was still the most ridiculous thing I've, like, this guy just runs in like he thinks he's Superman, is like, I've got it, and just starts.

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, if a dog has a lock on another dog, that's one of the only ways to let him go.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 1:04:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  It works.

• 1:04:27Joe Rogan?

  I ho, I hear it works. I've never done it, but.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've never tried it myself.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  Hoses work. When dogs would fight with each other, you could hose them, and a lot of times they, they'll let go.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:37Joe Rogan?

  They just freak out. You're getting hit in the face with a jet of water.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that will do it.

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  But, you know. The really fucked up thing is that people bred dogs for fighting and they like to fight. Like when they fight, they wag their tails.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're having fun.

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  You watch them like literally chewing each other's faces off and they're wagging their tails.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Well, I got a Border Collie at the same time as a Rottweiler and they were both pretty, you know, they both enjoyed fighting each other.

• 1:05:04Joe Rogan?

  Fun, but play fighting.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you'd always just watch for the tail waggling because they'd be flipping each other over.

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  Like when we first got the Rott, we went to a dog park because they were like newer to us in Michigan. And this one dog just kept coming up that was bigger than my Rott, but kept kinda like messing with her.

• 1:05:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  And then finally, my Rott grabbed her by the neck and flipped this dog over and was just like pinning it with her mouth. And then the dog gave up and was showing its belly and I'm like, oh fuck. Like, all right, we're gonna leave the dog park now, you know, like people were like freaking out and screaming.

• 1:05:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  But the dog kept like coming up and like nipping my, my dog until my dog finally just like attacked back real quick.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which is what dogs do. They have to establish dominance.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  That's what she did.

• 1:05:50Joe Rogan?

  I was at a dog park once and somebody brought a wolf.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Are you serious?

• 1:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It was the wildest thing. All the dogs.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  You got a wolf?

• 1:05:58Joe Rogan?

  All the dogs immediately knew it wasn't a dog.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 1:06:00Joe Rogan?

  Some guy had one of those seven-eighths Timber Wolf dogs, you know, because you can get them dogs where they're not really dogs. It's a wolf and this thing just walked in and every dog was like, that's not a fucking dog. They all scattered. It was wild to watch. It was big too, man. It was really big. It was like a hundred plus pounds and just big fucking mouth, big long mouth. And it just looked like a wolf and every dog knew it wasn't a dog.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Were they just all backing in the corner?

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because wolves eat dogs.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, they do.

• 1:06:33Joe Rogan?

  They knew.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:34Joe Rogan?

  They fucking, there was a thing like the smell, the look, whatever. Every, no dog was sizing up with it at all.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Every dog just ran away. It was weird.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Well, they, they have that instinct.

• 1:06:45Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  And that thing is like what dogs, like that's like if a caveman walked in.

• 1:06:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like that's the original OG of what we're supposed to be.

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  Not a wolf.

• 1:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I've seen this video. This video is wild. So there's all these dogs are fighting.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  And check out this one dog walks in and he's the fucking boss and he's this dog. Look, all the other dogs back the fuck away from him.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Dog boughs.

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Look, they all back away. This one dog and he gets on that dog. Like, look what happened.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Oh, dude, every one of them just acts right.

• 1:07:17Joe Rogan?

  It's like John Wick of dogs.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. The dog just lays down and he just gets on top of him.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  I once saw this dog kill one of us with a pencil.

• 1:07:25Joe Rogan?

  I have no idea what kind of dog that is.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  I don't know either. The the black one. It's gotta be.

• 1:07:30Joe Rogan?

  The white one, the one that's dominant.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  Right there. I mean, oh, the black one was cowering. I was looking at the wrong dog.

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, why don't you take a photo of that dog and run it through Google Image?

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  The dog looks like Benji. Like, they probably just knew.

• 1:07:43Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, it's probably just knew they knew it had a hard life.

• 1:07:46Joe Rogan?

  My friend has a dog like that. That's a small. It's a darker, like a gray and brown dog.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:53Joe Rogan?

  And he takes it pig hunting and it's the most savage fucking dog I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  And it looks like that?

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes, this dog just chases pigs. Which are. It's crazy.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  And pigs are tough.

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, but this dog is just nuts, man.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  Dude, that's.

• 1:08:08Joe Rogan?

  What kind of dog is that? Come on, chat G P T. A mixed or breed or a mutt. Based on appearance, shaggy, wiry coat, body structure. How crazy is A I? Wolfhound or terrier mixes, large size and sturdy build might also suggest some Central Asian shepherd or Kangol ancestry, especially if the dog is used as livestock guardian. However, without a clear look and more context like the dog's size, weight or behavior, it's difficult to definitively identify the breed. It's likely a mix of working or guardian breeds, common in rural or semi-rural areas.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that thing they just knew had it tough.

• 1:08:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Because it just came in and didn't give fuck.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  It's not even a big dog. That's what's crazy. Like, yo, that was kind of what it was like when that wolf showed up at the dog park. I all the other dogs were just like, what in the holy fuck is this?

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Was it you? I think you were talking about it. Maybe it was. I don't know. But it's about a guy who trains wolves?

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  And he was saying.

• 1:09:06Joe Rogan?

  I've had people on that work with wolves. You can't really train wolves.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, but I think it was like the movie The Grey, you know, like Taken, Taken with Wolves or whatever. And like, he said during it, that he has to fall down as the stuntman or whatever. So the second he gets home, one of the wolves is gonna try to take his spot on top. So you gotta like grab the wolf and hold it up in the air and like, that's like the main thing to do to get it to stop. But like every night, he just has to prepare himself for fighting a wolf when he gets home.

• 1:09:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Which is crazy.

• 1:09:40Joe Rogan?

  That's so stupid.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  But I mean, they all just, they're, they're pack animals.

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so as soon as you leave, they, they take the dominant spot.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have a good day of filming and there's just this wolf looking at you the whole car ride home, seeing if he's gonna take like your shit once you get home.

• 1:09:54Joe Rogan?

  I knew a dude who had three of those, three of those wolf dogs, and he was a piece of shit. And they, they got out of his yard and killed the neighbor sheep and he lied about it. He's like, no, one's my dog, one's my dog. Killed like eight sheep.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Dude, yeah.

• 1:10:07Joe Rogan?

  Cause they just kill for fun.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh, there's just sheep that just would commit suicide? What, what, Mountain Lion? What did this?

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Well, there's coyotes and stuff where.

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Not like that, though.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 1:10:19Joe Rogan?

  They don't do that kinda damage. Coyote would have a hard time taking out a sheep. It would take a long time.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they grab small dogs, like.

• 1:10:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Like before COVID, we'd like, in Detroit and like the suburbs, we never had coyotes, like it seemed, like any of that stuff. And then after, you see them all the time. Like I would walk out and there'd just be like a deer in my front lawn. I'm like, this is bizarre. In this part. And then, yeah, now you have ones that like hop fences and grab small dogs and jump away.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're everywhere now. They're in every fifty, they're in all fifty states and then they're, they're in every major city.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're a wild animal. I mean, a really interesting animal, I should say. Obviously, they're wild.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Cause when I first saw them, they'd be crossing the street at night. I'd be coming back from a gig and I'm like, is that, is that a dog? Should I stop? And then it's clearly just a coyote.

• 1:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  And I'd never seen them up close like that, ever.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  They're in Central Park.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  Are you, are you serious?

• 1:11:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  I used to walk by there all the time.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  That looks like what it is. That looks similar.

• 1:11:16Speaker 04

  Bosnian Barak.

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  Bosnian broken, broken haired hound called Barak. Yeah, it looks similar.

• 1:11:26Joe Rogan?

  Fights bears?

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that would be it.

• 1:11:30Joe Rogan?

  That would make sense why all those dogs like this motherfucker's not playing.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  Dude, he takes down grizzlies.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  He is not playing.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Jeez, a scent hound.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  I saw this guy.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what my friend's dog looks like. And it's a little dog, it's a girl, and she's fucking ferocious.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  And just has.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Dude, a pig and a bear.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pigs are, like, wild pigs are some of the most ferocious sounding animals. I remember the first time I ever went hunting pigs. We were, um, going down this dirt road and to the right of us was like heavily wooded, like, high grass. And they were in the grass near us. And then they started fighting and it sounded like demons, like orcs.

• 1:12:16Joe Rogan?

  They were just going to war, like, like, maybe ten, fifteen feet from us and we couldn't see them because of the tall grass, like. The sound was nuts, like, this sound is insane.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  Where do you hunt them?

• 1:12:27Joe Rogan?

  This was in California.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  California where, uh, oddly enough, they think most of them came from William Randolph Hearst's estate. Cause William Randolph Hearst, the same piece of shit that. You know, Orson Welles covered in the movie Rosebud, the same reason why marijuana became illegal, that guy. Uh, William Randolph Hearst had an enormous estate and he had wild boars.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:51Joe Rogan?

  Out there on his estate, and of course they got free. And now, central California, all that area is like, San Jose, they have a giant problem with them.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they like, show up on people's lawns and tear their lawns apart and you wake up in the middle of the night, there's ten wild pigs on your fucking front lawn.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 1:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Do they attack animals then?

• 1:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they kill people.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:13:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so one, one old lady got killed by wild pigs.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  What a way to go.

• 1:13:16Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:13:18Joe Rogan?

  Fucking dirty, filthy demons tearing your face off.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Not that it's funny, but I mean, you just don't expect it.

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Kind of funny.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:13:27Joe Rogan?

  But yeah, they're all.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  How did grandma go? You're like, oh, she was torn to death by pigs, wild ones, in her suburb.

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  With this place that I was at.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  It's a cul-de-sac.

• 1:13:34Joe Rogan?

  They, you know, they, they hunt them a lot, and that's what we're doing. They taste good.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would imagine. I mean, it is pork.

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a different kind of pork. It's like a darker meat.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  I've never had it.

• 1:13:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because they're, you know, they're not eating just grain. They're eating whatever the fuck they find, and a lot of acorns, that was a lot of it. They had a lot of fat on them, that's from acorn. They were delicious.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  What do you hunt them with?

• 1:13:57Joe Rogan?

  That time it was a rifle, but I bow hunted them too.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  I was wondering if you did, yeah.

• 1:14:01Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:50Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like if you're bow hunting pigs and you're shooting a wild boar like a big boar, probably should have a backup, probably should have a pistol.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  In case it comes at you.

• 1:15:59Joe Rogan?

  And you should probably have one in the chamber. So as it's running at you, you could just ta ta ta ta. You're gonna have to, it'll charge you. Happens all the time.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  So it's kind of, because bears are like that, aren't they? Like if you shoot one in the heart, it'll go a hundred yards?

• 1:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Um, some bears.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:14Joe Rogan?

  It, if you shoot them in the heart, I doubt they're gonna go a hundred yards, but they might be able to, because they can get, they can go a hundred yards pretty fast.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Just on adrenaline.

• 1:16:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But, um, yeah, bears are...

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  I was gonna say adrenochrome.

• 1:16:27Joe Rogan?

  If you hit a bear, like, there is a distance between you and them, where it's like a fight or flight distance, where they're too close, where they think that you'll attack them, and so then, then you're in trouble.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:40Joe Rogan?

  But if they're far enough away where they think, oh, this guy's not gonna chase me, and you can scare him off, that can happen. Bears are tricky.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've never, well, we had one bear, I mean, it wasn't hunting us, we were just up in, uh, what do you call them, the Smokies?

• 1:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  And it was just a vacation, and it says, "Don't throw food off the balcony," so of course, the first thing my son does is throw a hamburger, and then all we can hear is the woods start moving, and we look down, and I'm like, "There's a bear." And it's, I didn't know they climb.

• 1:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  So the thing starts climbing up the side of the house, and eventually, we just kinda made enough noise or something that it went back into the woods, but I'm like looking around like, "We have a gun, right?" And it was like, "I think we have one." Like, "Oh, that's good, because there's a bear climbing up the fucking house, dude." It was terrifying.

• 1:17:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you have food left out, if you have garbage left out, once they've established that that's a place where they get food, they keep coming back.

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  That's what I was, yeah. And the first thing he did was just chuck a hamburger out, just feed the animals, and I'm like, "Buddy, I told you." He's like four or five at the time, and then like a couple minutes later, "Bear."

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the state that has the most bears per capita in the, in the country?

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:17:55Joe Rogan?

  New Jersey.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Is it really?

• 1:17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. New Jersey has a crazy bear problem.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  I did not know that at all.

• 1:18:00Joe Rogan?

  So the governor of New Jersey ran on a platform of stopping the bear hunt. Cause people hunt bears in New Jersey.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

  People think of New Jersey, what you think of is these high density areas like Hoboken, Hackensack.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Atlantic City.

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  That's not New Jersey.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:18:15Joe Rogan?

  New Jersey's mostly rural.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  And then you have those actual like mountains.

• 1:18:19Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, a kid got killed out by Rutgers, a bear ate him. And yeah, Rutgers University student went for a hike.

• 1:18:29Joe Rogan?

  Got taken out. And bears became such a problem that the same governor who ran on the stopping the bear hunt and did stop the bear hunt when he got into office. The population boomed so badly without hunters that he reinstated the bear hunt.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Oh, did he?

• 1:18:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He had to. The interactions between humans and bears were going through the roof.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  I was really hoping that story ended with he got eaten by bears. Cause that would be just the perfect irony.

• 1:18:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, he probably had an encounter. A lot of people that live anywhere near them have encounters. Like there's a video of far rockaway, New Jersey. We played it many times on this podcast, but we'll play it again just for you.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:06Joe Rogan?

  But there's these fucking bears, they look like four, 500 pound bears and they're fighting in the middle of a suburb. And they, they're essentially, they're going to war for garbage. So like, you know, they, they claim either that or maybe one of the females is in heat, but there's these two fucking huge bears and they're falling down stairs and they're out in the street. And the people are filming them from their car. I mean, these are big bears, man.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Are they brown bears, black bears?

• 1:19:33Joe Rogan?

  They're all black bears in the United States until you get into the upper northwest.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  And then you see more of the grizzlies.

• 1:19:40Joe Rogan?

  You only get grizzlies in like, so look at these bears.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro. Fucking normal house suburb.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Couple of bears that won the lottery.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  Real estate sign out there. The size of these fuckers, dude, they knocked over the sign there, whatever that was. That was a light, I guess, like the electrical cords.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Bro, it spills out into the street. These guys go to war for like 10 fucking minutes. How long's this video? Six minute video. Look at this. They get out and show them when they're out in the street. So people are filming them. These fuckers tumble down the side of the hill. They're still duking it out.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  I've seen them come down the street and

• 1:20:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  In the same, yeah, same place.

• 1:20:20Joe Rogan?

  The size of these guys, man.

• 1:20:23Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, right by the mailbox. Look at all the hair.

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:26Joe Rogan?

  They're pulling each other's hair off. Isn't that crazy?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Well, dude, and that's just because their claws on accident.

• 1:20:31Joe Rogan?

  The size of these fuckers.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  Imagine that goes across your face or skin. You're done.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  You're so dead. Those are big bears, too, man.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Dude, that guy's so nervous about his Volvo. It's like, come on, don't, don't go near it, come on.

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, these people are so used to it. These people who live in this area.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right. Dude, a dude in a car just was like, alright, we gotta wait for it to

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Fall into the shrubs and then I'm gonna gun it.

• 1:20:57Joe Rogan?

  Hear those noises they make?

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Imagine your little kids walking home from school.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  Sees two bears.

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  And see two fucking huge bears duking it out.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Jersey?

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Far away. Look, hear the cars?

• 1:21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Look, cars driving by. Oh, hi, guys. Should I stop? Well, I'm gonna go get a sandwich.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, we have bears now.

• 1:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Far rock away.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Holy shit. Dude, yeah, that's

• 1:21:23Joe Rogan?

  Does not have the most black bears per capita. Well, I thought it did.

• 1:21:26Speaker 04

  I kept Googling it. It's not even popping up in the top five or six.

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  I would imagine for a small state, though.

• 1:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Makes its high bear population a significant concern for residents, particularly in the states. Dude, Ted Nugent told me that. I, I think these people are wrong. The state's forests covered northwestern regions at one of the highest concentrations of black bears in the nation with approximately 3,000 bears.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Dude, if Ted Nugent told you that, I think he's right.

• 1:21:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  The guy knows a thing or two.

• 1:21:52Joe Rogan?

  High population density, concentration in the northwest, increased sightings. The, the, the other problem is they really don't have an accurate number.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Because in heavily wooded areas, when you wanna do a, like a census on animals. You're sending out wildlife biologists and they just have to count them. And there's no way they can really count them correctly. Cause there's, you're dealing with dense woods and black bears are particularly difficult to find in the woods. Their, their, their sense of smell is insane. Their hearing is insane. And when they hear people, they just get the fuck out of there.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, like in Michigan, you've seen them, like they come down, cause you know, we're up by the, uh, upper peninsula and they'll come, you know, Canada and all that stuff. But, um, you do see them on occasion, but I guess they are becoming more and more, like they're moving more and more south. Towards the cities now.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Of course, cause nobody's hunting them.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, which I think we should.

• 1:22:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to hunt them.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's why you control the deer population.

• 1:22:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, that's what people have always known. And you know, somehow or another liberals lost their minds and thought it's a bad idea to control predators. Massive, huge predators.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  Right, and it's like, you realize that like, let's just say the deer is alone. If you don't control it, you're gonna just have people smashing into them with their cars all day.

• 1:23:10Joe Rogan?

  They're made out of food.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Right, for you to eat.

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  You could go eat them, deers are delicious.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  And if you've ever been in front of like one with horns, like I was in the Rockies, my friend was all high. He gets out of the car, it's like 20 years ago and there's like, I don't know, it wasn't, maybe it was a deer, but like an elk or something.

• 1:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Probably had to be an elk.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Was it big?

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, really big. And he gets out like, he's like, I'm gonna stand by and take a picture. I'm like, I don't think you should do that. And even then, I'm like, terrible idea. And the thing just lowers its horns at him and I'm like, dude, get, get back to the car. And we're like in a Jeep gunning it away from this thing chasing us.

• 1:23:45Joe Rogan?

  There's a guy that is, uh, in his car and he's talking shit to this elk that's in the, in the street in Yellowstone. And it fucking jabs his tires. It takes his tire out, just, it doesn't even know, it's like, fuck! He hear, cause it punctures his tire.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  Dude, it just, it just took him out the way a cops would, would like. Exactly. And then it's got horns just getting ready to take you out.

• 1:24:10Joe Rogan?

  It just stabbed his tire.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  It's like, you wanna step outside now?

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  The scariest ones are moose, if you ever, what's that? Is that, you have the video of him taking out his car? What's this? Oh boy, look at the size of that fucker.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Woo, dude, you have a tree growing out of your head. A sharpened tree.

• 1:24:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:36Speaker 04

  Is it looking for the tire?

• 1:24:38Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 1:24:39Speaker 04

  Looking, trying to poke it?

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if this is the one that, uh, cut the tire. The other one was coming from the other side. It was coming from the driver's side and the driver was talking shit to it, but you get the point.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  I like that the driver was mocking an animal.

• 1:24:50Joe Rogan?

  But the real dangerous ones are moose.

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:53Joe Rogan?

  Cause moose will actually stomp you. They will go after you.

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  There's a lot of videos of people who think they're majestic and they're like eight feet away from them. And it's like, it's not Bullwinkle, it's an animal in the, and then the next thing you hear is how they were killed.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not just that, it's an animal that's like really good at stomping at, oh boy. Does this, this guy get attacked?

• 1:25:14Speaker 04

  I don't know, it's just, it's titled, sometimes you just don't.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Dude, if I get an arrow, you gotta, you really gotta not miss.

• 1:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, this is rough too, because he's coming straight at you and so you don't have a really good shot at his vitals. So you have to take the most risky shot, which is, you're taking a frontal. So what you're, essentially you have a very small area you're targeting, which is like the end of his beard.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:41Joe Rogan?

  So his hair comes down, like you wanna get it right here. So what you're trying to do is shoot this arrow through basically like a softball sized hole. Maybe a little larger than a softball sized hole and it'll go straight through, slice through the heart, the lungs, everything. It's the most deadly shot if you could land it.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  But you got a 1,800 pound animal.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Coming at you, you're shaking.

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  It's huge. You're right in front of it, it's 30 yards, you're not sure that you could hit that spot because your arms are shaking. You're, you're filled with adrenaline.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  And you have to go for a softball sized spot on that thing.

• 1:26:20Joe Rogan?

  You really want it to be standing sideways, but it's not standing sideways because it's moving towards you in an offensive way. You should probably just get the fuck out of there.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would leave immediately.

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  Or get around a tree. You wanna get like where a tree is so you could stand behind the tree and like at least you could kinda maneuver a little bit.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  Is their sight poor?

• 1:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, they don't have a good sight.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  So that's kinda like the better way is to kinda cover?

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  They're kind of dumb.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:41Joe Rogan?

  Because they're so big, they don't have to be smart.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, and they don't, they don't have herds. They're not like, you don't see herds of moose. You see a bull moose, they're generally by themselves or maybe with one or two other ones.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  Okay, see, I did not know that.

• 1:26:53Joe Rogan?

  And then they come in and when they come in, they're looking for pussy.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, yeah, should have a moose fucking you in the ass?

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Staring right at you dog.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Oh dude, end with those eyes.

• 1:27:04Joe Rogan?

  And you also, you better have a fucking powerful bow. You gotta get into that rib cage, those ribs are thick as shit.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  So that spot is underneath that like beard and all that stuff that he's got right there?

• 1:27:17Joe Rogan?

  It's right here, but if you hit an animal there, they die so quick.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:27:22Joe Rogan?

  See, Google, um, frontal shot kill on elk. There's a famous video of these kids bow hunting. And this elk comes in and it gives this kid a frontal shot and he takes it at like 20 yards and the elk just stands there. And then blood starts spraying out of it and it just tips over.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:27:41Joe Rogan?

  Like right where it stands, it's nuts. It's the most lethal shot if you land it correctly. But it's, it's, I'd never taken it, it's a tricky shot. Like my friend Cam Haynes, probably best bow hunter in the world.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  He's taken frontal shots, but the last time he took one, it was like at 10 yards.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Is that guy out here?

• 1:27:58Joe Rogan?

  This isn't it. This is, uh, this is not a frontal, these are just bulls fighting. Um, Google, this is an elk. Oh, insane frontal shot, okay. Alright, so here we go. This isn't the one.

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  Well, nothing came up when I checked the thing you just said.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  So that's it, he got it right there, so see, see how it sprays? That was a perfect shot.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 1:28:23Joe Rogan?

  Perfect shot, he got it right, if you watch where the impact is, oh, that's Corey Jacobson. Um, wa- watch where the impact of the arrow is, it's right at the bottom of the beard, see where it is? Like right at the bo- that's a perfect, that's a perfect shot. So that goes into the body cavity, severs all the arteries.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  That bull's dead in seconds.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  But this animal seems kinda like, yeah.

• 1:28:46Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, this, it doesn't seem as aggressive though as that moose.

• 1:28:50Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, they're not aggressive, they're looking for other elk. Like he's looking for love.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:55Joe Rogan?

  That's what he's looking for, looking for love or a fight.

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:28:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Cause the moose looks like he just wants to kill the guy in the video. Or at least.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they do. No, they'll kill you. They they will kill you. I mean, I'm sure elk have killed people before, but they don't want to.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:09Joe Rogan?

  A moose will chase you.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Moose will chase you and stomp you, especially a female moose that has her her babies. That's not good. You better stay the fuck away from her.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, no.

• 1:29:18Joe Rogan?

  They will stomp you out. My buddy was chased on horseback. He barely got away from a a cow moose.

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Seriously, going after him?

• 1:29:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, going after him because it had calves with him, with her.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Joe Rogan?

  And she was protecting her calves and he was on a horse. And she looks at that horse like that's that might be an animal.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  That wants to stomp my babies. And so she full clip chased after him. He's like, I barely got away.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Where was this at?

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  My, uh, Edmonton.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  No, B C.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:29:45Joe Rogan?

  B C.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I I don't know. I would, I'd be terrified if I had to try to make that shot at a moose coming at me that size.

• 1:29:54Joe Rogan?

  It's a sketchy shot.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Capacity.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a sketchy shot, and it depends on what kind of broadhead you have, too.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  Can you do with a gun?

• 1:30:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, with a gun, you could shoot him anywhere.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess that's true.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  With a gun, you're just, you go through the shoulders.

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  I just didn't know if it was like maybe arrow length or the reason it sticks in or something, maybe?

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. You should, you could definitely do that with a gun. The thing about a an arrow is you only have so much energy. Like from a bow. So if like you hit one of those big shoulder bones, like you're you're fucked. It's not gonna kill the animal. It's probably barely gonna feel it. So you have to be behind the shoulder. You have to, and then you, you know, if you don't have enough power, if you center punch a rib. Probably not gonna get a lot of penetration. So you have to have a really powerful bow and a lot of guys stay away from mechanical broadheads. They want like a really solid fixed blade broadhead. It's tricky kind of bow hunting.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's cool, though.

• 1:30:49Joe Rogan?

  You're bow hunting something that can kill you.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is. That's game. I mean, that's an exciting thing.

• 1:30:55Joe Rogan?

  That's why people like bear hunting.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Or unless you're the Grizzly Man guy who just, it was one of my favorite movies ever.

• 1:31:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm convinced Werner Herzog, Werner Herzog made that movie as a comedy.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Oh, I think he did too.

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  I'm surprised, like, he says the ending is not the real footage.

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  No, there's no, there's no actual audio footage of that guy that's available. If you listen online, footage that says it is, it's not real. You can kind of tell they're acting. He, he told the lady to destroy the actual audio.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  That's what I heard, yeah.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  The lens cover was on the camera, but it, there is audio, and it, it's a long audio, because bears don't kill you, they just start eating.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just hold you down and eat you until, until you die.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Which is apparent to that guy who was going around elementary schools telling people how bears aren't dangerous.

• 1:31:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that fucking guy.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  And then they're like, it's hibernation season, you should go. And he's like, no, but I got peanut and sprinkles and cocoa, and they all love me. He had all these little names for them.

• 1:31:58Joe Rogan?

  It was suicide by bear.

• 1:31:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I mean, you can't just hang out there with, it was, that whole movie is just, they said, like, I love when they're like, we think, they think the bear, like, the bears just thought he was basically retarded meat.

• 1:32:10Joe Rogan?

  Remember when the, uh, the sheriff said that? Well, I thought he was retarded.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the bears did.

• 1:32:17Joe Rogan?

  Just the way the, the film is made, it's just, there's too many times where someone says something ridiculous, then there's a smash cut. I'm like, this guy's doing this on purpose. Like, he wants you to laugh. It's funny.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  It's gotta be, because he's like slapping a bear on the nose, and he's like, no, Skittles, and then just turning around and doing the interview, and you're just waiting for him to die, basically.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  I have to be a warrior. I have to, I have to let them know I stand my ground. I love you, I love you.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  I love you, bears.

• 1:32:42Joe Rogan?

  But I'm a warrior.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  I'm just gonna put my tent here. This is gonna be what you'll consider a plate, and I'm just gonna hang out.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  It's a burrito. There's meat inside.

• 1:32:54Joe Rogan?

  His girlfriend got killed too, which is really sad.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  I'm surprised that, yeah, she had a girlfriend. One, he had one, and two, she was like...

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  She's probably surprised too.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:02Joe Rogan?

  Is this guy gonna fuck me, or is...

• 1:33:03Speaker 01

  Is this... yeah, like, I...

• 1:33:05Joe Rogan?

  What's happening?

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  I'm sure he didn't fuck her. He didn't seem like that kind of guy. He definitely had her killed.

• 1:33:09Joe Rogan?

  He definitely seemed gay.

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, very.

• 1:33:11Joe Rogan?

  It seemed like that was part of his dilemma. Like, he wanted to be an actor, and that didn't work out for him. So he started getting notoriety by being a bear expert.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:33:19Joe Rogan?

  But he wasn't really a bear expert.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  No, he was just an idiot who would go into the forest and got... And here, protecting these bears. Got really lucky. Forest service won't protect him, you motherfuckers. I'm protecting these bears. You leave them alone.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  But, that dude got some amazing footage, I'll tell you that. His footage was fucking incredible.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Because he was living with them.

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  So he got footage that nobody else was getting, like, high-resolution, close-up footage of bear fights. He became really good friends with a fox.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Foxes are fucking adorable. They're like dogs, man.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Joe Rogan?

  They are the closest thing to... like, playful, they play with you, they stole his hat, like...

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:58Joe Rogan?

  They would come hang out with him, he could scratch their head.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  Well, a lot of the people who find baby foxes and then just kind of raise them because the parents left them, that's amazing.

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  Chime is a fintech, not a bank. Banking services and Chime card provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for more details. Instagram page that I follow, Bedu the Fox. Check this out. It's like a little tiny fox that this guy's raised. Yeah. And it's so adorable. It's so adorable. It's such a... It really is cool to see him. So this guy brings this fox with him every... Look at that cute little fox. He's so cute. Yeah, they're adorable. But he hides under stuff. He's playful. Yeah. But this guy has this fox as a pet and, you know...

• 1:36:52Joe Rogan?

  And see, show the things where he's like cuddling with it. Like he's... Look at it. Yeah, it's just a straight-up dog. It's his little buddy, yeah. They're ador... It's like an adorable little dog. The raccoon ones are kind of funny, too, when it just like learns how to open the fridge and take out a food. He's got it on a leash. He's walking the fox on a leash. But he has to put it on a leash because the fucker won't come back. No. It's like, no, I'm free. He's like, this is where I belong. Yeah. He's just trying to run from the guy, but he's on a leash. Look at his grin and face. Aww. He has the huge ears and stuff. Incredible. That thing probably hears an owl farting a mile away. Like, look at his face. So fucking cute, man.

• 1:37:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, they really are. They're really cool animals.

• 1:37:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and, and people have done this where they raise them, but.

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:34Joe Rogan?

  I think it's, look, he's making weird faces.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just.

• 1:37:37Joe Rogan?

  I think it's one of those things where you have to be around them all the time, you know?

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think if it's, I guess, I don't know, but if it's abandoned young enough to where it's attached to you, there's something there.

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, you definitely can raise them. People have raised them, but, and people have raised coyotes that same way, too.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:37:53Joe Rogan?

  But you, you have to be around them all the time, because they're wild.

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're just tricking them into like, by constantly giving them food and attention, so they feel like they don't have to do anything else that they really feel instinctual about doing, like going out and killing a cat.

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Well, there's a, there's a place called Oswald Bear Ranch.

• 1:38:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look, he's got a cat.

• 1:38:15Joe Rogan?

  His cute little fox is like half the size of the cat. He wants to play with the cat.

• 1:38:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's adorable. The cat is not like, uh, happy, though.

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  When you see a cat with its tail like that, that's a really pissed off cat.

• 1:38:28Speaker 01

  Well, the cat doesn't want to play with its owner, let alone whatever that thing is.

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, the cat looks like it's on S S R I's, first of all.

• 1:38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  Cat's fat as fuck.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was actually a male cat, does not identify that way anymore.

• 1:38:40Joe Rogan?

  That cat's a school shooter. It's gonna go to the pound, shoot it up.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Just gonna take out everybody at the pet store.

• 1:38:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Just one after the other.

• 1:38:49Joe Rogan?

  The story of wolves, like how we turned wolves into dogs, is pretty fucking insane.

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  It is amazing how we do just kind of have these like wolves in our house, but we made them cuter by design.

• 1:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, dude.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  Over centuries. Really, this is my, uh, my wolf poodle, which is essentially what it is.

• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  It's incredible.

• 1:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, and then you get them down to like, I have a, a King Charles Spaniel. You know what those things are?

• 1:39:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  He's that big.

• 1:39:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:13Joe Rogan?

  He's the fucking cutest thing on earth.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:16Joe Rogan?

  That, if you go far enough back, that's a wolf.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, how did they do that?

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  I have a King Charles Spaniel poodle.

• 1:39:25Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  And his name is Higgins.

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  As if a King Charles Spaniel wasn't gay enough.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  Exactly. I had to make sure. He wears bow ties, you know, like a wolf would.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Bow ties.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Cause whenever he get his haircut, they put him in a bow tie.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  That's adorable.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  And I'm just like, it's so cute, but it's also gay.

• 1:39:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's adorable.

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  But yeah, his name is Higgins and he's the best dog, but he's small and I've always had big dogs and I kinda just like the fact that he's kinda small and just really wants to sit there.

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  He just wants to chill.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  He'll go for a walk, but he's not dying to.

• 1:39:58Joe Rogan?

  Uh, the breed the furthest removed and physically characterized by wolves is the King Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, mine's, mine's called a Cavapoo.

• 1:40:07Joe Rogan?

  That's the one I have.

• 1:40:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have a mix of that and a poodle.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, one of the most popular breeds in UK and US, probably because of their lapdog reputation. Yeah, they're adorable dogs.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  Oh, I love.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  They're so sweet.

• 1:40:18Speaker 01

  I love them and he.

• 1:40:19Joe Rogan?

  But that's the furthest removed physically and characteristically from a wolf.

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it has, I mean, he's, he's funny. Like he'll grab his toy. He's got this lamb and he'll just like jump in the window with giant dogs and just start shaking it and like try to intimidate them.

• 1:40:33Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  And I'm like, you're in a fucking little bow tie. He looks so gay.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  He's probably trying to play with them. Cause my, my dog loves to play with Marshall, my golden.

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Dude, it's very.

• 1:40:42Joe Rogan?

  They're like best friends.

• 1:40:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's very playful.

• 1:40:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause we have a, I'm just gonna announce all the more dogs that I have and feel worse as this goes. A Hevanees.

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  It's like a little, it, we don't have the long haircut on it, but you know those long hair, like almost show dogs?

• 1:41:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  And it's a, yeah, just a Hevanees.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  But we have, see the like top right corner? She looks like that. So that's the other dog. And she's the best and she's insane.

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  Look at that little face.

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Not the smartest dog you'll ever meet. And that's one of the things I love about her.

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, they don't have to be smart, you know? It's like rich kids on trust funds. They're not so fucking smart either.

• 1:41:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are the most privileged of the dog community.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Most likely to be a they/them.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  That's all the they/thems. They're not poor kids.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  No, well, we're the ones cutting off their balls and spang them. Yeah, they're all.

• 1:41:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's true too, right? They're all trans.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're all a little angry at us.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Have their balls.

• 1:41:43Speaker 01

  Oh, do they really?

• 1:41:44Joe Rogan?

  Always. Yeah, I don't, I don't fix my dog.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  See, we had already had him fixed when we got him.

• 1:41:49Joe Rogan?

  I had a really good vet when I first moved to LA and I always thought you have to fix dogs.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Cause they're like Bob Barker. Spain new to your pets.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:41:56Joe Rogan?

  Bob Barker would say that at the end of every show.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh, turn your pets trans. How about just don't be irresponsible dog owner and let your dog have puppies that nobody wants. How about you just be a responsible dog owner and let your dog have its natural fucking hormones?

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:12Joe Rogan?

  Because when you cut their balls off, they get tired. They get depressed. They have no energy.

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  Testosterone's gone.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  There's testosterone's gone. What happens to people when their testosterone goes? You get depressed.

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Joe Rogan?

  You get depressed and you have no energy. That's the same shit that happens to your dog.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's why he's in a bow tie.

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  And my vet was, he told me that. I was like, I can't believe it. He goes, look, nobody wants to hear it. Everybody wants to tell you Spain new to your dogs, but characteristically, like if you look at like how a dog behaves. I see a change the moment they cut it. Now, look, if you have an overly aggressive dog. That's a different story. If you have a dog that like you, you probably should train, that's probably what it is. Probably needs obedience training and probably needs a lot of attention. It probably needs a lot of exercise, but if you cut your dog's balls off, it won't be the same dog.

• 1:42:56Speaker 01

  No. And I mean, the next dogs I have, I probably won't. You know, but it's just something that you're used to for so long. And like with Bob Barker, I get control of the pet population. So there's not dogs running all over the streets that have to be euthanized all the time.

• 1:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's terrible.

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  If it's your own dog though.

• 1:43:11Joe Rogan?

  But again, that's just bad dog owners.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I mean.

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  It's just like people have, are bad parents and their kids wind up, you know, joining a gang and shooting people up. It's like, it's a lot of the same kind of shit, man.

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  Well, it's the same, it's literally the same thing. I mean, when you like, years ago, they were doing articles, uh, not to bring it back to my hometown, but like in Detroit where you would see dog gangs roving together. They take over a house and like, you know, they, I remember one house was like filled with pit bulls and stuff, but it was a black lab that was like the king's shed at this house.

• 1:43:44Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was crazy. And but you see.

• 1:43:46Joe Rogan?

  Probably the smartest one.

• 1:43:47Speaker 01

  I think it must've been that. Cause like when, like Rolling Stone, I think it was showed up and they were like, holy shit, it's a black lab. That's in charge of like all these pit bulls and that was like their king. And, uh, but to see.

• 1:43:58Joe Rogan?

  But probably they're good hunters. Maybe that's what it is.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  Well, cause you do.

• 1:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Cause Labradors are hunting dogs.

• 1:44:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, that's true. Cause like you would see just packs of dogs going down the street when it was at its most like empty.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  God, I heard about a lady that got killed by a pack of dogs in Georgia a few years back.

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  Oh, they'll do it.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, wild dogs. She was hiking and feral dogs attacked her.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:20Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  And that's.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a rough way to go, dawg.

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  It's terrible.

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Rough way to go.

• 1:44:25Speaker 01

  Cause there was probably a minute where she's like, oh, dogs.

• 1:44:28Joe Rogan?

  I doubt it.

• 1:44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:29Joe Rogan?

  I doubt it.

• 1:44:30Speaker 01

  No, most people do get scared.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they should.

• 1:44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially if you're on like a mountain.

• 1:44:35Joe Rogan?

  If you don't know the dog, like it could be anything.

• 1:44:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, never go up to a dog the way that people tell you that you should.

• 1:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Put your hand out.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  I'm your friend.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Look, I'm your buddy. It's like, just stand there.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  Stand your ground.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  Look at it, keep an eye and hopefully have a gun.

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully have a gun.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  I just shot your doodle. I overreacted. But yeah, those ones you can't.

• 1:44:59Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem too.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  But yeah, when you just stand there and kind of let the dog smell you, that's what they do. That's they just want to get to know who you are. So let them and just kind of, yeah, keep an eye. Don't act scared. What you shouldn't do is run and start screaming.

• 1:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, they like that.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, they.

• 1:45:16Joe Rogan?

  That's fun.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  They think it's a play. They're a time to play.

• 1:45:19Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna kill you and have fun.

• 1:45:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Yay. Like this, we got a screamer, boys.

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  Hey, as if there's not enough problems in the world. You gotta worry about roving packs of wild dogs taking folks out.

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  And bears fighting in your cul-de-sac. You don't see that.

• 1:45:37Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to bring bears back to certain states now. They're trying to reintroduce grizzly bears, these fucking dorks.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  Why do they reintroduce animals that went extinct in an area for a reason? That's what I don't get.

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, they didn't go extinct. They were made extinct.

• 1:45:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like California, California has a grizzly bear on its flag.

• 1:45:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  The, there's no grizzlies in California because they killed them all because they were killing all these people.

• 1:46:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  The last guy that got killed, uh, in California by a grizzly bear, they actually named a town after him.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Leveque, California.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  Is it named after that was murdered by a grizzly?

• 1:46:11Joe Rogan?

  Steven Leveque. Yeah, he was the last man in California to be killed by a grizzly bear before they killed them all.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  Are they trying to bring them back to California?

• 1:46:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course they are.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  Oh, that's smart.

• 1:46:21Joe Rogan?

  Look, they brought wolves back to Detroit. They brought wolves, excuse me, Detroit, Colorado.

• 1:46:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did that, yeah.

• 1:46:26Joe Rogan?

  They brought wolves to an area of Colorado that's right outside of Aspen and people are losing their fucking minds. Cause they brought these wolves that they had captured in Oregon because they're killing cattle. And then they reintroduced them to Colorado where they

• 1:46:42Speaker 01

  Ski.

• 1:46:42Joe Rogan?

  Wait for it, kill cattle. They've been killing cattle like crazy. They brought them out to like these ranching areas. And they've killed so many cows out there, man. I have a buddy who has a ranch out there. He sends me pictures all the time of these cows that they find, just torn apart.

• 1:46:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:58Joe Rogan?

  Like baby cows, calves, just ripped to shreds.

• 1:47:01Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  Well, they did the same, I wanna say it was like near Dollywood. Didn't they do that too, where like wolves had finally gone away in that area in the mountains?

• 1:47:11Joe Rogan?

  Where's Dollywood?

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  It's near, um, it's in Tennessee, near like

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  There's wolves in Tennessee?

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  I think they tried to reintroduce them.

• 1:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Maybe red wolves.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I took a tour through the forest. Like I had to go. I didn't wanna go. It wasn't my thing, believe it or not. But I, I went, we went as like a family trip. And, you know, it's, it's terrible. And somebody recognized me and that was the worst. It was like a fake Dolly Parton show.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:47:37Speaker 01

  Like, are you Dave Landau? And I'm like, oh, fuck, really? No? So, but we went through the forest and they were saying that they were reintroducing animals into that area. And it's like, why would you do that? And I guess they had just taken down like a Krispy Kreme because like bears just destroyed it?

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, that wouldn't be reintroduction. That area, the bears have always been there.

• 1:47:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:47:57Joe Rogan?

  But if they're reintroducing a wolf, it has to be the red wolf.

• 1:48:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:48:01Joe Rogan?

  The red wolf is endangered and it's a small wolf. It's a wolf that's like maybe the size of a large coyote.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, there it is.

• 1:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Red wolves are returning to the Smoky Mountains.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  There you go, yeah.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's like that, that photo is a little deceptive. When you see a red wolf, they're pretty small. Um, like, what is the average size of a red wolf? Google that, Jamie.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, that picture of the bear walking, we saw that a lot, just walking down, like, while we were there.

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're gonna see a lot of bears in Tennessee. Fifty to sixty pounds.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they'd be like tumbling like cubs and stuff down the, down the road.

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  It's like a red wolf is probably, you know, it's a fifty pound animal.

• 1:48:38Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  They're not, they're not a gray wolf. Gray wolves are fucking scary.

• 1:48:42Speaker 01

  Terrifying.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  They're big.

• 1:48:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would not wanna go, I don't know, that's a scary animal. Anytime I've seen one, they just don't look friendly and I don't, uh.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, they killed them off for a reason. The reason why, I mean, look, Little Red Riding Hood, fucking, there's all these stories with kids where they get eaten by wolves. Cause wolves eat kids.

• 1:49:03Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it was a way to scare the kids into being aware of what was going on. It was.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Bro, do you know the World War One story?

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay. World War One, the Germans and the Russians had a ceasefire because so many of them were getting killed by wolves. They made an agreement to have a ceasefire and kill the wolves and then go back to fighting.

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  Seriously?

• 1:49:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Because they were in trench warfare. So they're in Russia and Russia has big wolves.

• 1:49:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, huge.

• 1:49:31Joe Rogan?

  So what happens with animals, with warm-blooded animals, is the further north the animal goes, the larger its body size is.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:49:38Joe Rogan?

  And they think it's to retain heat. So if you look like a deer in, like, let's say, a whitetail deer. A whitetail deer that you see in Texas is a small deer.

• 1:49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, if I see a whitetail deer, generally, like, I see them all the time on, on my way to work. A whitetail deer might, a female might be like fifty, sixty pounds. A male might be a hundred, hundred and twenty pounds.

• 1:49:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  In Saskatchewan, you might get a three hundred pound whitetail.

• 1:50:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:50:05Joe Rogan?

  They're way bigger.

• 1:50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:06Joe Rogan?

  Way bigger.

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it's immense.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Wolves are the same thing. They're bigger up there. They're bigger animals up there. Like, bears are bigger. Polar bears are huge, right?

• 1:50:17Speaker 01

  Polar bears are, and they're nasty.

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have to retain heat.

• 1:50:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  So, like, when, when you go to, like, northern kind of climates, when you're dealing with an animal in northern climates. That's gonna be a bigger version of that animal. So if you see a wolf in like Alberta.

• 1:50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:34Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna be a bigger wolf than a wolf that you'd see in Mexico. Those are smaller wolves.

• 1:50:39Speaker 01

  Right, because they don't have to survive in the same elements.

• 1:50:42Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. It's also, there's no benefit to having a large size of your body to maintain heat. That's why moose are in the most upper north part of the country.

• 1:50:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  They're the largest of all the deer species.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  Oh, that would make sense, though.

• 1:50:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:58Joe Rogan?

  Like elk are like larger than deer, you know, it's like, and then the elk that are the further north, like the, those, like Montana has some giant fucking elk. Wyoming, giant elk. And that's the, you know.

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you get towards Canada, too, a lot of those places where it's just cold, you get those massive animals.

• 1:51:16Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep, yep. And what were we talking about that I brought that up? We were talking about wolves?

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Wolves, the one, uh, the red wolf being brought back to Kentucky.

• 1:51:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so those are small because they're in like a warm climate.

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:51:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:30Speaker 01

  It's just odd to me to think, though, when you even hear the word wolf, like, we're just gonna reintroduce it to this tourist area. It's like, it seems bad.

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all these people that are liberals that are like sweet, kind people that like, this is Jared Polis, the governor of Colorado. He's a nice guy, he's a sweet guy.

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:48Joe Rogan?

  He just posted some really kind tweet the other day. I'm like, oh, seems like a good guy, but hey, don't bring wolves back to ranching areas. Because like you could have these idealistic, utopic, utopia-based views of what you think a wolf would be like and back in the wild. But no, they're gonna, they take the easiest path possible, the easiest path possible. Oh, there's a bunch of animals that are stuck in a fenced-in area that I could just hop over. I'll just go kill one and eat it. And that's what they do. And so these farmers now have to hire people 24/7 to be patrolling around their animals. So it's a, they're already operating at a very low margin. Right? If you're a farmer and a rancher, you lose a bunch of cows, you're fucked. So now the state has to compensate them for depredation.

• 1:52:33Joe Rogan?

  So every time a wolf kills a cow, they compensate them. So it costs the state more money.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  Oh, so they gotta pay for the?

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  Yes, they have to pay for it. And then now they have depredation permits on some of these wolves because they're repeat offenders. So now they're trying to kill these wolves that they've spent millions and millions of dollars reintroducing to Colorado. And it's all silly people. It's what's called ballot box biology.

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Wildlife conservationists and hunters and people that are to spend time in the woods, they hate it. They hate it because it's mostly uninformed people that think they're doing a good thing like, let's stop trophy hunting.

• 1:53:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have to.

• 1:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we have to stop hunters. Hunters are evil. Like, no bitch, bears are evil. They will fucking eat you asshole first in front of your kids. They don't care.

• 1:53:20Speaker 01

  Well, it's like when they put in an insect to just kill an insect that's getting out of control.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Always worked bad.

• 1:53:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so like in Michigan, it was like ladybugs, but all of a sudden now there were ladybugs everywhere and this kind could bite you. So they were some kind of beetle that was this massive problem all of a sudden. And it was to help control the fish fly problem or mayflies, people might know them as.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  And there is, because you drive down next to the water, dude, and it just, it's like, it sounds like Rice Krispies as you drive because you're just hitting so many of these things. But it didn't help that problem. It just created a horrible beetle problem.

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:55Speaker 01

  And then there was something else going on in the lake, so they introduced zebra mussels.

• 1:53:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. They did that out here, too.

• 1:54:01Speaker 01

  Dude, they destroyed boats. They cut up people's feet that were swimming.

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. They cut everything.

• 1:54:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it backfired completely. And it's like, so you're just introducing this like poison into the air and into the water that you think's gonna benefit this.

• 1:54:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So they have too much vegetation on some of these lakes. So what did they do is they sterilized carp and then introduced these sterilized carp. But sometimes they're not sterile. And then sometimes they just start breeding and then the carp basically eat all the vegetation. And so then your entire lake looks like the bottom of a swimming pool.

• 1:54:31Speaker 01

  Right, it's just gone.

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  There's no more grass, so the fish don't know where to hide. So it's like not as effective for them. They don't get as big. So all the bass fishermen are mad because there's no like habitat and.

• 1:54:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's all fucked up.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  And that's happened, yeah, with Michigan is we do have a lot of fishermen, bass fishermen, you know, that go out there. And you can go into pretty small pond areas and lakes because of the Great Lakes and still catch some stuff. But once you start messing with the habitat, it goes bad for a long time.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man. Well, look at Australia. Australia has done a terrible job of introducing invasive species to combat problem animals.

• 1:55:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  And now they have feral cats that have essentially wiped out most of their ground nesting birds and all sorts of other things. Cats are the worst, man. Little, little, cute little house cats.

• 1:55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  They are the worst murderers of all the animal kingdom.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  Well, and they think birds are a nice present for you. That's the first thing they're gonna go after is just kill them.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Birds and rats.

• 1:55:26Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And that's why like the crazy cat lady thing is a real thing too, because they also contain parasites. And that parasite, toxoplasmosis, is, uh, it affects humans. It affects behavior. It makes you more impulsive, more aggressive.

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:55:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a crazy parasite that is, at one point in time, half of France had toxoplasmosis.

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:55:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, because of, of feral cats. Maybe, it might have been half of Paris or half of France. I don't remember. But a large, in rural areas where you have a lot of, uh, feral cats.

• 1:56:04Speaker 01

  Okay, I didn't know if it was like rich areas.

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  You ever known people that have like outdoor cats and they're very irrational?

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  Marc Maron. Those people, those people probably have toxo, which is why they're behaving weird.

• 1:56:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, why was?

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what's going on. It's like, I guarantee if you test it, I might have it. I had a feral cat.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  I, I've never had a feral cat, but I've definitely had ones that would stop by the house.

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  I had a feral cat. A friend of mine, and her and her boyfriend rescued a bunch of kittens that were underneath this building. And she, it was in Santa Monica and she said, do you want a kitten? He was so cute. And I took him in and I actually had to stay with this cat for like days in, uh, one of the rooms of my house. Because like when I picked him up, he would purr and he'd be sweet. As soon as I put him down, he'd hiss at me and, and jump and leap away. He was wild.

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  Like claws and everything?

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  It took forever for me to just calm him down. And then after a while, I could just come up to him and pick him up. Like when he was a full grown cat, he was totally my friend. But no one else, no one else could pet this cat. You come over my house, he would hiss at you like, like he was ready to go to war. He was, it was crazy. But I would go, no dude, he's, he was just wild. He's wild. And I'd pick him up and he'd start purring. But he would purr like no other cat would purr. Cause when he knew that you just loved him and that you weren't gonna eat him, when I'd pick him up, he'd just.

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  He was so happy to be held. He was so happy to be pet. But then as soon as I put him down, he would look at me sketchy and run away. He was just fucked up, man.

• 1:57:35Speaker 01

  My grandma had that. She was crazy, though. Like, she, like, as she got older, she had, like, this old mansion. And I don't know how she got it, but it was one of those things where, like, when you're Catholic, you just have eighty-seven kids, so the house was big, but now it looks huge to people.

• 1:57:49Joe Rogan?

  So she just had cats?

• 1:57:51Speaker 01

  But towards the end, she had a few cats and just, she would have, like, those Tom and Jerry mouse holes in the house. Like, where you would see them coming and out of, where the, and dude, she would keep, like, she'd keep the spiders, because they thought, she thought it was part of the ecosystem.

• 1:58:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, great.

• 1:58:07Speaker 01

  So you're looking up, like, I'd have to sleep there, and I'm just, like, staring at a brown recluse, like, shaking at the age of, like, eight.

• 1:58:13Joe Rogan?

  Those will fucking leave giant holes in you, man.

• 1:58:15Speaker 01

  Dude, they will kill it. My brother got bitten by one, and his leg turned into a softball, and he had to go.

• 1:58:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's really bad.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was nuts, dude. Like, she had a-

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  It gets necrotic.

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  Where it eats away the tissue.

• 1:58:26Speaker 01

  Dude, and it went like that. Like, he got bit, and by the time he got to the hospital, it just kept getting big. It went from, like, a golf ball to a softball to, like, and they had to hit him with all this, like, antipenum.

• 1:58:37Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  It was nuts, dude.

• 1:58:39Joe Rogan?

  My friend Jeremy had a hole in his, in his thigh, where he had to stuff gauze in it, because it was constantly oozing.

• 1:58:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what it is. Like, they start, it starts chewing away at your skin.

• 1:58:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it eats, it necrosis.

• 1:58:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, my brother's like a scar from it, dude. It's disgusting.

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  Brown recluses are dangerous, man.

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  But she was nuts. She had, like, a casino in her basement that she ran. She tossed.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  That sounds so fun.

• 1:59:04Speaker 01

  It really was when we were kids, too. Like, we're dealing, like, blackjack and playing slots.

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow, she had a casino in her basement.

• 1:59:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was fun. Like, and then she was, and she was a recovering Elkie, like, she had beads everywhere. Like, I didn't know what that was then.

• 1:59:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like Dirty Day beads?

• 1:59:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, like, so then later on, uh, well, it was, like, from Mardi Gras. She had all this stuff from Mardi- so, like, later in my life, I'm like, oh, my grandma was a whore.

• 1:59:29Speaker 01

  But I didn't realize it until later.

• 1:59:30Joe Rogan?

  This is a cat lady whore with a fucking casino in her basement.

• 1:59:33Speaker 01

  A cat lady casino whore who thinks spiders are part of an ecosystem.

• 1:59:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's kind of right.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  I mean, she's not wrong. They would eat the mosquitoes. That was her thing.

• 1:59:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:43Speaker 01

  But you'd also have like, you're like, I think it's a black widow in your garage. And it's like, yeah, so don't go near it. And I'm like, you want to protect your spider? Like, she was just nuts, dude. But, uh, yeah, she was in recovery, but then she also had an entire bar where you could just make drinks. So we're like six and like looking through like how to make some putty martinis.

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  It's so, it's so much fun.

• 2:00:07Joe Rogan?

  So she kept the drinks even though she was clean?

• 2:00:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was clean, yeah.

• 2:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:00:11Speaker 01

  I've done that too myself, though, because if people come over, I'm like, yeah, whatever you want, man.

• 2:00:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I stopped drinking and I have a full bar at my house. I have a, I have a wine room. It's like such a wasted room.

• 2:00:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  It's a room filled with bottles of wine that now I'll never drink.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have, I have probably 10 bottles and it's if somebody wants one.

• 2:00:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, come on over. I'll judge you.

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, like my.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  You sit there and drink and I'll judge you. You'll start acting stupid.

• 2:00:35Speaker 01

  Well, after my like last DUI was, uh, when I got, it was like 16 years ago and I had just built a bar in my basement. And it's really nice and I still really like it. But like, it was probably days later I got the DUI. So I just like sit there and I'll just look at this bar and like, ah, it could have been.

• 2:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Was that when you stopped drinking?

• 2:00:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was my, it was my 13th arrest. It was my, uh.

• 2:00:56Joe Rogan?

  13th arrest?

• 2:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:57Joe Rogan?

  What was number one?

• 2:00:58Speaker 01

  Uh, the day I got my driver's license.

• 2:01:01Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, for real.

• 2:01:04Joe Rogan?

  What did you do?

• 2:01:05Speaker 01

  Um, my dad had gotten a Buick Regal. And, uh, it was around November because they would, I was born in June, but they wouldn't let me get my driver's license because my grades were so bad. And we were having a family reunion. So we had everybody at the house. My dad, we thought was doing a little better and we all went out to eat and I'm like, hey, can I borrow the car? And he's like, yeah. So we get home and my aunt had blocked the driveway, thinking that I would probably end up taking the car and like her son out, who was from Arizona.

• 2:01:33Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:01:34Speaker 01

  And the one side of my house was the house. And then the other side was my neighbor's lawn with a small pine tree and like rose bushes and stuff.

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  He just drove through that?

• 2:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I figured if I gingerly did it, it would be all right. Dude, I fucked up her lawn. We go, I go and pick up my friends. We go down Eight Mile to this place called Piccadilly where we'd have this guy named Spider by. And he was fucking great. He was this like homeless dude who just was like, he'd always go, "I'm Spider with a W." And he'd do that. And then he was total pervert. He'd be like, he would seriously offer to like, he'd be like, "I'll jack you off too." And we're like, "We just want the beer, but we do appreciate it." Really, but thank you. So like, he'd always be like, "Somebody's gotta come in with me to pick it up." And we'd be fighting if we had to get out of the car or go walk with this guy. So we, we just bring the beer and we're driving around. We start giving lawn jobs.

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  You know, like we'd first we did leaf pile fires because everybody would like rake their leaves into the street. So we started doing those, you know, fun, good old fashioned arson. But usually it would stop pretty quickly. Somebody would run out with like a garden hose and, you know, it totally was innocent until the one time it wasn't. But we were driving around, we went to some parties, smoking weed, all that shit. And finally I get up on this one guy's lawn after a party. He's got a Beamer five series. And I got my Regal, my dad's, which it had a V6 turbocharged, which for a Buick, it wasn't bad for 98. But I got on this dude's lawn. I see him sitting in his Beamer. And for some reason in my head, I'm just like, "This guy's just gonna sit here and take it."

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  So I just start giving him a lawn job. I'm doing donuts. You can hear grass hitting his car. We get in a high-speed chase with this dude. Oh, God. Dude, I mean, like French Connection style. I hit, I swear, I hit this bump, man. Four tires went off the ground because we just felt like the car popped to the ground. And we get, we're just going all over the city. My friends are like, "Let's just pull over and beat the shit out of him." And I'm like, "He could have a gun," you know? So I finally go down this street that has like a bifurcation. Where it just splits immediately, like this, you have to go this way, this way, you know? And I didn't see it. So I start braking because I'm going at an oak tree. So I'm braking it and dude, the next thing I know, the engine draws to the front of the car.

• 2:03:53Speaker 01

  All the airbags come out. I get cracked with an airbag. And I'm uncon- like I'm not quite unconscious. I'm conscious just enough to see the BMW in my rear view drive away. And then as I'm being knocked out, I hear all my friends and my own cousin leave. Now, here's the kicker. We were having a family reunion. I didn't realize that there was a bunch of cases of beer and liquor already in the trunk and chips and stuff. So when I hit the tree, that popped open.

• 2:04:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:04:23Speaker 01

  And it looked like I drove a Super Bowl party into the fucking tree. There was just like beer and pop and chips and shit going down the street. And finally, dude, I wake up from being unconscious and I get out of the car and there's a cop and my dad there.

• 2:04:39Joe Rogan?

  When you wake up?

• 2:04:40Speaker 01

  When I get up, like I'd been that, dude, I got knocked out so hard by that airbag.

• 2:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:04:46Speaker 01

  Cause it just like, like, all I could smell was that, like, burning talcum powder kinda smell, like that awful, like, I wanna say eggy almost. It was just the worst smell, but everybody else was able to run. Except me. So it looked like I just did it. So I get out and I remember I look at my dad, and my dad was not violent. He was in Nam, but he was never violent. But I just look at him and I go, Dad, I'm okay. And he goes, great. And he punched me in the face so hard. That I hit the ground and was knocked out for the second time that evening.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  Dude, he cracked me harder.

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  He gave you a second concussion?

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  That night. And I wake up.

• 2:05:21Joe Rogan?

  That's not good, Dad.

• 2:05:22Speaker 01

  Dude, no, he was pissed.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then I wake up and the cops got a light on me. And I swear to God, the cop goes, he's waking up if you wanna hit him again. It's the first thing I hear. And I'm like, you guys, I'm really in a lot of pain here. And my dad like apologized, but he's like, look, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? He was just furious and.

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  I had already been getting into dope and stuff and he was getting pretty pissed with me.

• 2:05:48Joe Rogan?

  That was arrest number one.

• 2:05:50Speaker 01

  Dude, DUI and I got six months suspended license.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:05:54Speaker 01

  I went in front of a referee is what they called it for juveniles at Coleman and Young Municipal. They gave me six months suspended license.

• 2:06:02Joe Rogan?

  Did you have to talk your way out of it?

• 2:06:05Speaker 01

  Oh, out of being arrested?

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  I mean, like.

• 2:06:08Speaker 01

  Oh, that? No, my dad, I remember I was going to school one day and he goes, I just got the bill for the car. I was like, yeah, he goes, it's thirteen thousand nine hundred and eighty dollars here. And I go, I don't have that money. He goes, just show people so they know how proud I am of you. I was like, thanks, thanks, Dad. But he was furious.

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  But he let it, I mean, he let it go after that, cause we had alcoholism in our family.

• 2:06:31Joe Rogan?

  I just can't believe that you were doing donuts on this guy's lawn, right in front of him.

• 2:06:35Speaker 01

  Oh dude, we did so much shit we shouldn't have done, back then.

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Was it just a crew you were hanging with?

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, it was fun. Like, I, dude, I, we all, we all just kind of wanted to be thugs. It was a little sad.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is Detroit.

• 2:06:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, you wanna be, like, you're in the suburbs, sort of. Like, my house was in the suburbs, but you're, you're literally three minutes from the most violent part of America at the time. So you're on the border of the east side of Detroit, so it's not like you can't hear gunshots, and you know what I mean? It's like, you're, you're, every drug and every party, you're going down to raves and warehouses that are owned by, like, the Russian mob, crazy shit. Oh, fuck yeah. Dude, yeah, like-

• 2:07:15Joe Rogan?

  Were you like, eighteen?

• 2:07:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, seventeen, eighteen, sixteen, all that, all those years, dude. Like, ninety-nine, two thousand, huge rave culture. And then when the new mayor came in, Kwame Kilpatrick, who ended up getting, uh, arrested and put in jail, and then Trump pardoned.

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  He started the Detroit Electronic Music Festival, so he capitalized on that.

• 2:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:07:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, do you remember when Ford Focus basically, or Ford put out the, uh, Detroit Electronic Music Festival Focus?

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:07:45Speaker 01

  Dude, it was basically a car designed for people on ecstasy. Like, the whole thing was speakers.

• 2:07:52Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you can find it. And so the Detroit, it was the Detroit, uh, yeah, uh, Electronic Music Festival Focus. And the car was just-

• 2:08:01Joe Rogan?

  It just had a crazy sound system in it?

• 2:08:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause the car's a piece of shit, so the whole thing is just speakers. And that way they would do the ads, it was almost like, you go into, are you on E? Well, this car is great. It's got huge cup holders for your water, it's got great sound, you know?

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious. They capitalized on it.

• 2:08:20Speaker 01

  And Hollywood did a little, cause that's like when, uh, the movie Go came out, and a lot of these movies that were almost, it's with, um- Uh, Go is the one where they're all trying-

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  Find that car first.

• 2:08:32Speaker 01

  They're all trying to get ecstasy in it and it's just like Katie Holmes and uh, all these other people who are like, some are different stars and some are-

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:08:41Speaker 01

  And they all kind of mix together in this one night and they're all just going to different raves and parties.

• 2:08:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I never saw that.

• 2:08:47Speaker 01

  And the whole thing is about E. I'm trying to think of his name. You'd know him from The Store, plays a bouncer in it.

• 2:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Vince Vaughn?

• 2:08:54Speaker 01

  No, no, not Vince. Um, he's not really an actor-

• 2:08:57Joe Rogan?

  From The Store?

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  More of a comic. He used to work with uh, Shimmel, or not, um, not Shimmel, um, God, what is his name? Blonde hair, older dude.

• 2:09:06Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy Schubert?

• 2:09:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow, look at that.

• 2:09:08Speaker 01

  He plays a bouncer in it, yeah.

• 2:09:09Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Jimmy's the best.

• 2:09:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's great. I did Last Comic with him and he was super cool.

• 2:09:12Joe Rogan?

  Good dude.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I liked him a lot.

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  I've known Jimmy for thirty-five years, okay. Thirty, no, thirty years? Somewhere in there?

• 2:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a good dude and he played-

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Very good dude.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  He played a bouncer in it.

• 2:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:20Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Um, where's that car? Did you find it?

• 2:09:23Speaker 04

  I've only found, it doesn't show.

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  I wonder how much they've scrubbed it, but if it's a Detroit music festival-

• 2:09:30Speaker 04

  They found this like, two thousand and one article, but it's called a Ford Focus Futura.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  For the electronic music festival. And the way they-

• 2:09:36Joe Rogan?

  Futura.

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, they've changed it up a bit with the Ventura, but yeah.

• 2:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Um, Go with speakers, right? Speakers, interior.

• 2:09:45Speaker 01

  It was great, cause you'd be walking to this music festival and heart, yeah, see the JBL speakers that would never be used in a Ford Focus.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's what they had in them?

• 2:09:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. They had like this-

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they had a badass sound system?

• 2:09:57Speaker 01

  Right. And it was just this- This terrible little hatchback, you know, car that a young person could afford, with a killer sound system in case you wanted to listen to Bad Boy Bill or Fat Boy Slim.

• 2:10:11Joe Rogan?

  And you, so you got arrested thirteen times?

• 2:10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  So what was number two?

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  Uh, number two, let me think.

• 2:10:21Speaker 01

  Two was an M I P.

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 2:10:25Speaker 01

  Minor in possession of alcohol.

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  And then that one was, like, a lot of them were M I Ps, four were DUIs.

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Four?

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then I got arrested.

• 2:10:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow, how are you still, how'd you still have a license?

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  Um, most of it was as a minor, and then by the time I got my one as an adult, it like, it had spanned enough to where in 2009, when I got arrested my last time and I decided to get sober, they couldn't technically put me in prison, and I didn't want to go because I didn't want to spend my days getting titty fucked by the Aryan Brotherhood. I know how I look, so. I, uh, I, I got clean, but, um, yeah, that one was the one that I took real seriously. So what they did was they put an alcohol tether on my leg that would monitor if I was drinking.

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:11:08Speaker 01

  And a breathalyzer in my car. So I would, like, I'd have to blow start my car everywhere I went, you know, and like.

• 2:11:15Joe Rogan?

  My friend Rob had that. It would take like three minutes before he could start his car.

• 2:11:18Speaker 01

  Dude, it sucked. And now they take pictures of you and stuff, but that one, it would go off as you drive. So you're like driving and like, I remember one time a truck was jackknifing and then it's like, brrr, brrr, brrr. So I'm trying to like dodge this truck from hitting me in the Grand Rapids snow while blowing my car so it doesn't stop.

• 2:11:37Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 2:11:38Speaker 01

  Swear to God. They're so dangerous.

• 2:11:40Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:11:41Speaker 01

  And I'm going around the country.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know they did it while you were driving. That's insane.

• 2:11:44Speaker 01

  Dude, that's so they prove you're not drinking. So like every 15 minutes it goes off at random, but you can't time it.

• 2:11:50Joe Rogan?

  And you have to blow into it.

• 2:11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why people are like, can't you have somebody else blow? And it's like, well, no, because you'd be like, can I, can I drink and drive? And you just sit shotgun and let me. But yeah, you have to blow the whole time you're driving. So that's what sucks about it. So you have this constant thing, and I was double jeopardy because I was a road comic. So in 2009, yeah, dude, I'm going into these bars and nightclubs and like, hey, do you have a phone jack I could use for a few minutes? And they're like, yeah, why? And I'm like, um. I got this ankle monitor and I gotta plug it in somewhere to a phone jack so they can download to make sure I'm not drinking. So I'd be in a bar dude.

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  Standing next to a phone jack.

• 2:12:29Speaker 01

  With my fucking ankle.

• 2:12:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:12:31Speaker 01

  Attached to the wall. While they downloaded my alcohol.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  How long did it take?

• 2:12:36Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 2:12:37Joe Rogan?

  So it has like a modem like a.

• 2:12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it it it would light, you know?

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:12:42Speaker 01

  So it would let you know when you were done.

• 2:12:44Joe Rogan?

  And it would do it through the phone lines?

• 2:12:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. At that time.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:12:47Speaker 01

  I'm sure there's something more high tech now. This was oh nine. But you had to have a phone jack and I'd have to call my probation officer and be like, this is the room I'm playing. I'm in a bar. I was allowed to be in a bar, but if anybody spilled anything on me, right to jail.

• 2:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 2:13:02Speaker 01

  Cause like if I had any bit of dr- like I had to use Tom's everything, you know, all natural stuff because anything could have alcohol in it.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh wow.

• 2:13:10Speaker 01

  So like I couldn't touch anything on a chance that, on the off chance that it would set off my monitor.

• 2:13:16Joe Rogan?

  That's cra- you know what's really crazy? If you eat poppy seed bagels, you can get popped for heroin.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you take a drug test for your job.

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that nuts?

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:24Joe Rogan?

  A poppy seed bagel.

• 2:13:25Speaker 01

  Dude, it's.

• 2:13:28Joe Rogan?

  Nice delicious bagel. And you you get popped for heroin.

• 2:13:31Speaker 01

  It's amazing you have nothing else in your system but heroin.

• 2:13:37Joe Rogan?

  I'm a tea toddler. Right. What's in your tea?

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, what are you doing with it?

• 2:13:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they tell you, don't eat poppy seeds. Any poppy seeds before you go in for a drug test. I wonder how long the poppy seed bagel stays in your system?

• 2:13:49Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I defi- I did drug tests too. That sucks. I I didn't, I never did the heroin one. I didn't eat a lot of poppy seeds, but I did buy a fake dick that they caught me with.

• 2:14:00Joe Rogan?

  You had a urinator, a wizinator? Is that what they call it?

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  It's called a wizinator.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's.

• 2:14:05Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:14:07Speaker 01

  Cause I thought.

• 2:14:07Joe Rogan?

  They caught you with the fake dick?

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:09Joe Rogan?

  How'd they catch you?

• 2:14:10Speaker 01

  It was darker than me. I'm not kidding.

• 2:14:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 2:14:13Speaker 01

  I bought the one, I thought they'd be behind me.

• 2:14:17Joe Rogan?

  They weren't.

• 2:14:17Speaker 01

  No, they were right here and.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Because they know about the fake dicks.

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm just like, hmm, just gonna squeeze these balls from some, some urine I bought off of a nerdy kid like R. Kelly.

• 2:14:31Joe Rogan?

  I got one for you. I know a guy who, uh, to pass a steroid test.

• 2:14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  He was clearly on steroids. He was a fighter.

• 2:14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  He injected someone else's urine into his bladder.

• 2:14:44Speaker 01

  Oh god.

• 2:14:49Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so he got some bro-science doctor in the fucking men's room shoving a large needle.

• 2:14:59Speaker 01

  Of piss.

• 2:15:01Joe Rogan?

  Into his bladder, and then he pissed out somebody else's piss.

• 2:15:04Speaker 01

  Oh god, did it work?

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 2:15:07Speaker 01

  Hats off, I mean that's dedication.

• 2:15:09Speaker 04

  Basketball player came back pregnant when he took his drug test.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  Using pregnant girlfriend's urine.

• 2:15:18Joe Rogan?

  So what are they testing him for that he's worried about other than weed? Is it weed?

• 2:15:22Speaker 01

  I'm guessing weed, cause it's a, if it was 2020 in Ohio, it was still illegal, plus I don't think, I don't think you're allowed to use it.

• 2:15:29Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:15:30Speaker 01

  If you're on the team, but it was illegal then, so they were probably still, which it's never been, I, I, I mean for most people, I should say.

• 2:15:36Joe Rogan?

  Two-year suspension.

• 2:15:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, international drug test.

• 2:15:40Speaker 01

  In your prime.

• 2:15:41Speaker 04

  On Bosnia.

• 2:15:41Speaker 01

  Oh, as a naturalized player. Well, he was, I wonder what they were testing him for? I wonder what drugs they were actually testing him for? What are they worried about finding? Yeah, cause I bought, what was it called? Urin luck? That didn't work?

• 2:15:56Speaker 04

  Steroids and stuff, you know?

• 2:15:57Joe Rogan?

  I guess, but Jesus Christ, if, if I'm running a professional basketball organization, I want people on steroids.

• 2:16:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm not testing anyone for anything.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  I want them recovering, I want them playing better.

• 2:16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  The, the whole steroid thing is so weird, you know, it's because it's just science. They figured out a way to make humans perform better. Like, so are we supposed to use some science, like you can use creatine, which at one point in time, they used to treat creatine like it was steroids.

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, they did.

• 2:16:27Joe Rogan?

  In the 1990s, it was like, you're taking creatine, you're basically taking steroids.

• 2:16:31Speaker 01

  Well, it was because of the Mark McGuire, uh, Jose Canseco thing.

• 2:16:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, I think that was a little later, wasn't it?

• 2:16:38Speaker 01

  I remember it was part of it, cause they were like, they're on creatine and everybody's like, are you sure?

• 2:16:44Joe Rogan?

  No, they were on Anderstein Dion is what he was trying to say, but it wasn't.

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was steroids.

• 2:16:49Joe Rogan?

  He was on hardcore shit.

• 2:16:50Speaker 01

  Well, cause.

• 2:16:51Joe Rogan?

  He got big.

• 2:16:52Speaker 01

  McGuire went from like a farm boy to looking like one of the Looney Tunes characters from Space Jam. Like the dude was just fucking stacked.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  There's a video of McGuire hitting a homerun and as the bat is contacting the ball, you see the bend to the bat because he's so strong. He's whipping the bat so hard that it's bending in the air as it contacts the ball.

• 2:17:17Speaker 01

  And it's wood.

• 2:17:18Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find that photo. Yeah, it's ash. It's like a very dense wood.

• 2:17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:24Joe Rogan?

  And he's whipping it so hard that it has a bend like a bow, like a bow and arrow. And it's connecting the ball like perfectly on the sweet spot. Look at that. Look at the fucking amount of bend in that bat.

• 2:17:36Speaker 01

  That makes no sense.

• 2:17:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's somebody else, but look at the one above it.

• 2:17:40Speaker 01

  Oh, the one right there though.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  That's the McGuire one I'm talking about. It's right there. That's it.

• 2:17:43Speaker 01

  That's a Ben Bat.

• 2:17:44Joe Rogan?

  That's it. No, right there, Jamie.

• 2:17:46Speaker 01

  It looks like he's doing the spoon trick.

• 2:17:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay, whoever it is, but look at it. That's what I'm talking about.

• 2:17:50Speaker 01

  Oh, you're right. It's not him.

• 2:17:51Joe Rogan?

  So when a guy is swinging at full clip, that's what happens to the bat, which is crazy.

• 2:17:55Speaker 01

  That is completely roids.

• 2:17:57Joe Rogan?

  That's him. Oh my God, that's nuts. Look at that bat. It looks like it's made out of rubber. That's so cra- imagine the fucking force. Your body has to generate to do that to one of those bats.

• 2:18:09Speaker 01

  And meanwhile, Pete Rose never gets inducted.

• 2:18:12Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:18:14Speaker 01

  Dude, I met him. I liked him.

• 2:18:15Joe Rogan?

  I know. That didn't make any sense. He's just gambling. It's didn't, didn't hinder his play.

• 2:18:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:18:21Joe Rogan?

  I mean, was, there was some concern that maybe he bet against his team.

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  That's what it was. Yeah.

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he probably did.

• 2:18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, he says he didn't, but.

• 2:18:30Speaker 04

  They're gonna allow him in or he's gonna be eligible, I believe.

• 2:18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I figured.

• 2:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Posthumously though.

• 2:18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I figured. Yeah, that's what they were gonna do.

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's not cool. Like he's dead. You should have done it while he's alive.

• 2:18:42Speaker 01

  No, and he'd been around sitting in the MGM in Vegas signing shit for a long time.

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

  And he was a great player.

• 2:18:48Speaker 01

  Yes, he was. He was amazing.

• 2:18:50Joe Rogan?

  I mean, just because a guy does something like that doesn't mean he didn't do amazing things playing. And that's what it's supposed to be all about. The guy was an all-star. He was one of the greatest of all time. And you took it away from him because he likes to gamble?

• 2:19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:04Joe Rogan?

  Guess what? That's also probably why he was so fucking good, because he was wild.

• 2:19:07Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  He was a wild boy.

• 2:19:09Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 2:19:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:19:10Speaker 01

  And.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

  Look at Jordan.

• 2:19:12Speaker 01

  Oh, dude.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Degenerate gambler.

• 2:19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:14Joe Rogan?

  The greatest basketball player who ever walked the face of the fucking earth.

• 2:19:18Speaker 01

  Yes, and degener- like Pete Rose's dad wasn't taken out.

• 2:19:21Joe Rogan?

  Comes from the same place, man. He comes from the same place.

• 2:19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, same deal. Well, yeah, because there's a part of you that wants to do risky things. If you're willing to go that far.

• 2:19:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:31Speaker 01

  You have to have that element in you.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:33Speaker 01

  So you kind of want to go like, yeah, he threw a few games with the confidence that the team would still be fine. That's kind of amazing.

• 2:19:41Joe Rogan?

  Eh.

• 2:19:42Speaker 01

  If he did.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  That's a guy chasing money. He's probably, he's probably, well, that, the thing they said about Jordan was is he wouldn't pay.

• 2:19:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, that's, yeah.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of shady shit that happened with that.

• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was that golf hustler that beat him out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and then wrote a story about it. Because Jordan wouldn't pay him. Then it kind of started getting out. And then Jordan's dad got murdered.

• 2:20:03Speaker 01

  That's why, yeah.

• 2:20:04Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot there. Yeah.

• 2:20:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, the connection with the people may have taken out his dad over gambling debts, which is rarely talking about.

• 2:20:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, here's another connection that I never considered until recently. Remember when Cosby's kid got murdered?

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  Ah, yeah, I have the same.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  And everybody was like, oh, it's just a random crime. Maybe not, right?

• 2:20:22Speaker 01

  I don't think it was now.

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, now, now that you know what Cosby did, imagine if he did that to someone's daughter and they said, oh, well, guess what?

• 2:20:30Speaker 01

  Because he wasn't robbed.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:32Speaker 01

  They didn't take anything.

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:33Speaker 01

  He was just changing a tire.

• 2:20:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:36Speaker 01

  And who knows if he even was? They could have flagged him down.

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Who knows if he even was?

• 2:20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Or who knows if they maybe flattened his tire?

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  Exactly, to catch him.

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They know he's going to drive, flatten his tire, let him drive off a little bit, and he's eventually going to have to stop and pull over.

• 2:20:51Speaker 01

  It, it seems so random to just kill someone for fun.

• 2:20:56Joe Rogan?

  It's rare.

• 2:20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, very rare.

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  And when you know what Cosby did, it makes you go. Oh, maybe there's something there.

• 2:21:04Speaker 01

  And now the stuff that has come out is so, dude, it's so dark.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  I heard this lady say that he might be the most prolific serial rapist in history.

• 2:21:13Speaker 01

  No one doubt it.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine how insane that is? The guy who is the, you know, Mr. Huxtable?

• 2:21:19Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Doctor Huxtable, head of the fucking family in the, the most wholesome sitcom. Everybody loved it. Crossed the race barrier, made everybody think of like this black family who's like incredibly respectful and well put together and how great is this?

• 2:21:34Speaker 01

  Dude, Fresh Prince, all that doesn't exist without him.

• 2:21:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:21:40Speaker 01

  And he had a gynecology office in his basement, which he just slid past everybody on the show.

• 2:21:45Joe Rogan?

  He had a gynecology office?

• 2:21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, Doctor, Doctor Huxtable was a gynecologist. And the, he was a doctor and in his basement is where he saw the women and no one thought anything about it.

• 2:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about the one episode that he did about Spanish fly?

• 2:21:59Speaker 01

  Dude, and the, he would talk about it in his act. He has like old records of Spanish fly.

• 2:22:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:04Speaker 01

  Where he's just talking about it like the whole audience is like, yeah, the rape drug. That's hilarious.

• 2:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he had a whole episode of the show about his special barbecue sauce.

• 2:22:12Speaker 01

  Yes, oh, and everybody started making out with each other?

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:22:18Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that?

• 2:22:19Speaker 01

  Well, did you ever see the Cosby mysteries intro?

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:22:23Speaker 01

  It's a pill going into a martini and then it just says Cosby mysteries.

• 2:22:28Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I think he was more deviant than we actually realized and was leaving these like little like taunting breadcrumbs.

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  I had heard that he was doing that kind of stuff in the nineties when I was on news radio. I'd heard from people that knew him or people that knew of him.

• 2:22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:45Joe Rogan?

  Like that he drugs girls. I was like, what? Bill Cosby. I was like, this is cra- this is crazier than Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

• 2:22:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, what are you talking about?

• 2:22:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard he was like a, I heard he had sex with a lot of women and I was like, well, okay, like that, it's a different thing. Like, that's a, you know, I'm like, whatever. So, he's not spotless, I would assume.

• 2:23:04Joe Rogan?

  I heard about it in Hollywood. It was, the, people knew. It was like an inside secret.

• 2:23:09Speaker 01

  But then like when I started becoming a comic and I was doing small stuff like an ad, like, not the, the HBO Vegas fest.

• 2:23:16Joe Rogan?

  This is it?

• 2:23:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:17Joe Rogan?

  The Cosby mysteries?

• 2:23:18Speaker 01

  Oh, that's.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but this is like-

• 2:23:22Speaker 01

  His reflection's in it?

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  But this is a mystery like someone's drugging someone.

• 2:23:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:23:27Joe Rogan?

  This was a show about, this was like a cop show, right?

• 2:23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, he came back out to-

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  He came back out and did a cop show?

• 2:23:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:36Joe Rogan?

  How weird.

• 2:23:37Speaker 01

  It's just crazy that the first thing in it, though, is a drink being drugged.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  How weird. The cop, when was that Cosby mysteries?

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  Oh, I think it was-

• 2:23:46Speaker 04

  It says ninety-four.

• 2:23:47Speaker 01

  Ninety, was it ninety, yeah, mid nineties?

• 2:23:48Joe Rogan?

  How long did that last?

• 2:23:50Speaker 01

  I think a season or two. Yeah, ninety-four, yeah, it didn't last very long.

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  Wow, yeah, people wanted to see him in comedies, like, why, why do you have the most loved comedy sitcom star ever?

• 2:24:01Speaker 01

  And his, his film career wasn't great, it was like Ghost Dad and, you know, he did a-

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:07Speaker 01

  It was all very, Fat Albert, there was a story, and I can't remember if it was Fat Albert, but, uh, what's his name? Kenan Thompson was talking about one of the first times he met Bill Cosby, and he was like, you know, like, you're gonna, you're gonna need two dicks for all the pussy you're gonna get, and he was like, what the fuck? Like, he just couldn't believe it was like one of the first things Cosby had said to him.

• 2:24:27Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:24:28Speaker 01

  So it's like he, cause you just meet that guy and you kinda wouldn't expect it to switch so hard. Especially a guy who's, who's been telling people not to, especially after Eddie Murphy stories and all that stuff, like, you, you know?

• 2:24:42Joe Rogan?

  Eddie Murphy from Raw.

• 2:24:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, and he's like, tell mister, uh, tell mister Cosby that Richard Pryor said have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up.

• 2:24:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, do the people laugh? Do you get paid?

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Be ready, because when this movie comes out, you're gonna need two dicks, because the woman gonna be all over you, the sketch comic you called. Wow.

• 2:25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it was that.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:25:02Speaker 01

  And imagine saying that to somebody over Fat Albert, he's like, are you sure, that one?

• 2:25:07Joe Rogan?

  I think when he was young, that drugging people was normal, that's what I think. I think that whole Spanish fly era, where people were just giving people mickeys, they're putting things in people's drinks.

• 2:25:20Speaker 01

  Quaaludes?

• 2:25:21Joe Rogan?

  I think people did that all the fucking time.

• 2:25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably.

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  It was super normal, and then I think society eventually evolved, and people realized how fucking horrible that is.

• 2:25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:33Joe Rogan?

  And then, he kept going.

• 2:25:36Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:25:36Joe Rogan?

  That was his move.

• 2:25:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 2:25:38Joe Rogan?

  Especially when he got old and ladies didn't want to fuck him, they wanted a career.

• 2:25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:41Joe Rogan?

  And they thought maybe Bill Cosby said he's gonna help me with my acting.

• 2:25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:45Joe Rogan?

  Next thing you know, you wake up and your panties are off. You're like, what happened?

• 2:25:48Speaker 01

  And a lot of them too, when you see like the roles they would get on The Cosby Show now, you have like supermodel looking women playing a cop.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:25:55Speaker 01

  And it's like he would have private dinners with them, you know, like in his green room, just little like super shady shit.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Boy.

• 2:26:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, so yeah, like he, I guarantee you, maybe him and, uh, who was it, Jordan, uh, I've met him, uh, Belfour. You've probably met him too, the Wolf of Wall Street.

• 2:26:15Joe Rogan?

  Wall Street guy?

• 2:26:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm thinking like Cosby and him may have been the last people on earth to ever have Quaaludes. Like one of them.

• 2:26:22Joe Rogan?

  What was Quaaludes like?

• 2:26:24Speaker 01

  I never did Quaaludes. They were, I think they were.

• 2:26:26Joe Rogan?

  Joey Diaz was a big fan.

• 2:26:28Speaker 01

  See, he's older, older to remember that.

• 2:26:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz I've heard him talk about it.

• 2:26:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:32Speaker 01

  But I've never done Quaaludes. I think they were like, I think the last one was like ninety six.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. She'll do things she's never done before, increases sexual, I don't even think it's real.

• 2:26:42Speaker 01

  Dude, it's an ad for rape.

• 2:26:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's real.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  But the stuff.

• 2:26:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, it says it comes from parts of a beetle.

• 2:26:49Speaker 01

  That's what they used to say.

• 2:26:50Joe Rogan?

  So it really works?

• 2:26:51Speaker 04

  Uh, whether it works or not, I would say.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  But that's what I'm saying. I mean, I'm sure it's real.

• 2:26:55Speaker 04

  Oh, you mean.

• 2:26:55Joe Rogan?

  As like a product, but I don't think it, there's a thing that actually makes you horny.

• 2:26:59Speaker 04

  Said it would give you extra, like it's like a pre Viagra type thing.

• 2:27:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that doesn't get you horny, like Viagra is, it just increases blood flow.

• 2:27:08Speaker 01

  Someone had it when I was, maybe, I don't know, in middle school, somebody had that.

• 2:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Spanish fly?

• 2:27:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a bottle of something that said Spanish fly.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay, Google this. It, does Spanish fly work?

• 2:27:20Speaker 04

  That's where I was getting, I ended up in marketing cuz I.

• 2:27:23Speaker 01

  Look at all the ads you found though.

• 2:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Love, look at this, love with no strings attached. That's a flight attendant ad. Flight attendants were fucking hot back then. They would hire, they would hire only hot flight attendants.

• 2:27:36Speaker 01

  They would fire you if you weren't.

• 2:27:38Joe Rogan?

  Spanish fly movie. So, just Google this for me. Does Spanish fly actually make you aroused?

• 2:27:46Speaker 01

  Dude, if there's a movie, it was popular.

• 2:27:48Joe Rogan?

  Does it work?

• 2:27:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, let's see. Spanish fly is not an aphrodisiac. It's a toxic substance called.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Canthoridin, derived from blister beetles that can cause severe harm, including pain, burning and internal damage. There's no evidence it increases sexual desire. Ingesting canthoridin can be fatal. While it causes burning sensation in the urinary tract that can provoke an erection. It is a dangerous side effect, not an aphrodisiac effect. So it gives you a boner while you're dying.

• 2:28:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:30Speaker 04

  What would it do to women then if you're?

• 2:28:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:33Speaker 01

  I guess knock you out and that's why they're like, she's horny, bro.

• 2:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so just Google this. Is there a drug that makes you horny? Just Google that.

• 2:28:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, put it in, put it in a chat GPT or perplexity or something.

• 2:28:48Speaker 01

  MDMA, I would, you know.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  But it makes you loving, right? It makes you like kind and wanna hug people. I don't think it makes you sexual.

• 2:28:57Speaker 01

  But if you were rolling, I mean, and like a girl just like touched your knee in a way, you were like, I'm like, come, you know, just sort of. It was pretty crazy.

• 2:29:07Joe Rogan?

  With a soft dick.

• 2:29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, that's what sucked is it didn't, it didn't help your libido.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  No universally proven aphrodisiac drug exists that reliably increases sexual desire across all individuals. The concept of an aphrodisiac, a substance that enhances libido or sexual performance, has been around for centuries, but scientific evidence is limited and often inconclusive. So some substances are marketed as that, historical, cultural substances, foods like oysters, okay, chocolate, okay, none of that stuff works. Medications, Viagra, but again, these, they treat erectile dysfunction by improving blood flow, not by increasing desire. Yeah, no, no, no, I get it. Um, hormonal treatments, testosterone therapy boosts libido. Yeah, but it's, it doesn't like just make you horny out of nowhere.

• 2:29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think there's anything, like, what is horny goat weed at a gas station? That's just like poison, right?

• 2:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Poison, bath salts. Remember bath salts? Bath salts they used to sell at the gas station and it was basically like some kind of like horrible drug that they snuck in by saying it was not for human consumption.

• 2:30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:16Joe Rogan?

  But it was a bath salt, so you throw it in the bath.

• 2:30:18Speaker 01

  And then, well, you would consume a human, because you remember when the guy ate the dude's face?

• 2:30:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy in Florida. But I always feel like you gotta put that through the Florida lens. It only happened in Florida.

• 2:30:28Speaker 01

  That's true. If it is Florida, you're like, there could have been other elements.

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of other elements in Florida.

• 2:30:33Speaker 01

  There's a whole lifestyle that could have led to this. A lot of choices.

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  But Florida, where, that was the, the place where the, the pill mills really started popping off. Because the way Florida had it set up, they had these pain management centers.

• 2:30:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:30:47Joe Rogan?

  And then, attached to the pain management centers, they'd have a doctor that would prescribe it for you. So the, the whole thing was just to prescribe pain pills. So you'd go, excuse me, you'd go to the pain management center. Oh, my back hurts. Great, you need this? Go right next door. And right next door, all they prescribed was pain pills. And they didn't have a database. So you would go there, and then you'd go down the street. Oh, my back hurts. Oh, great, here you go. And then, next door. And you could just keep doing this over and over again. And then, this documentary, The Oxycontin Express, showed how people were loading up the trunks of their cars with these pain pills and driving up north. And into Kentucky, into Ohio. And, and that's where all these people started dying of overdoses and all, people got addicted to pills.

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  There was also one in Richmond, I want to say, right outside of Richmond, a pharmaceutical company that was also largely responsible for it. Because I remember even being, uh, working at a pharmacy and going, like, my mom was an RN, so I'd go in there. I remember the doctors, not the doctors, but like, I remember companies taking out the doctors to eat. Or like, you'd see like Oxycontin reps, or you'd sign with a pen that had a painkiller's name on it.

• 2:31:56Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:31:56Speaker 01

  All that stuff, I remember.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  My wife's mom's a nurse, and she would tell stories about how they- The pharmaceutical drug companies would take them out to nice steak dinners and treat them really nice. And just the whole thing was like, make sure you push our shit.

• 2:32:09Speaker 01

  It was, yeah, give our product to the people coming in.

• 2:32:11Joe Rogan?

  And tell people how great it is. How great is our product?

• 2:32:15Speaker 01

  Dude, they used to give a lot. Like, I was getting my, when I got my knee messed up, I got hooked on oxy, uh, on Vicodin. And I had, I had taken lots of Vicodin before, but I took a prescribed amount that was just way too many for several months in a row. And then when I came down, it was the, one of the sickest times I've ever had to deal with. I'm like shaking, you know, I'm throwing up every few minutes. And this was the allotted amount I was supposed to take, like.

• 2:32:41Joe Rogan?

  How long did you?

• 2:32:42Speaker 01

  Four a day for two months. And then.

• 2:32:45Joe Rogan?

  And how long was the, like, the, before you became normal again?

• 2:32:49Speaker 01

  Oh, God. It, I felt real bad for about four to five days. Like, for me, even when I quit smoking, like, I, I used to smoke three packs a day for almost, uh, 12 years.

• 2:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:33:01Speaker 01

  And, but I did a lot of acid and shrooms and shit. It was fun, you know, like, one after the other one, dude. It was, but it felt good, you know? So, like, yeah, I would do that, but, um, even that, I locked myself in a room when I was living in LA. And I just didn't leave, I didn't leave the room for a week. I just.

• 2:33:17Joe Rogan?

  Just got clean.

• 2:33:18Speaker 01

  Dude, I just let my body deal with the pain and then I left, like. So, it usually takes me about that long, you know, to, to really detox my system if it's something that isn't killer. Alcohol was hard. Alcohol was really hard, cause I had started shaking when I wouldn't drink when I was 16.

• 2:33:36Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, boy. So you got addicted to it early.

• 2:33:39Speaker 01

  Dude, very early.

• 2:33:40Joe Rogan?

  So it's like a genetic thing with your family?

• 2:33:42Speaker 01

  Big time. And I didn't know about that until later, you know, and like, my, my dad had talked to me a bit before he died and like, you know, he died when I was 18 and, but he, he, he finally talked to me about what was going on with the family and stuff I hadn't known. And my uncle, who I figured had died of a heroin overdose, but my mom's like, he just had a big heart.

• 2:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:34:01Speaker 01

  And you're like, did he? Can I just know the truth, you know? And it turned out it was lines of, years of addiction. Like, my dad's dad was, uh, uh, Irish guy, left him the day he was born. Walked in, saw my dad was a twin, had a twin sister and goes, I'm not raising two, and walked out.

• 2:34:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:34:19Speaker 01

  So then he was the opposite dad. He was loving, coach, all that stuff.

• 2:34:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:34:24Speaker 01

  He, he, he turned it, but.

• 2:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Fucked by the government.

• 2:34:27Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, and then fucked by the government. He became a very, yeah.

• 2:34:31Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy how that kind of addiction, addiction and mental illness is just fucking hardcore genetic. And when you have a family that has a long history of mental illness, it's very rare that you're like, I'm fine.

• 2:34:43Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, it's very rare that you're an anomaly.

• 2:34:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm fine.

• 2:34:50Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you're not.

• 2:34:51Speaker 01

  I'm good.

• 2:34:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I just know so many people that are alcoholics that their families are not alcoholic. Like, guys, I had a buddy that he would drink and his eyes would glaze over and it wouldn't be him anymore. He'd be like, oh, he's gone. We just gotta wait until he comes back because right now it's whatever the fuck happens to him when he drinks. Just crazy, off the rails, like didn't remember anything, full blackout.

• 2:35:14Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 2:35:14Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to tell him, you don't remember being on the table with your dick out? You don't remember?

• 2:35:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:18Joe Rogan?

  He didn't remember anything?

• 2:35:19Speaker 01

  I was the guy on that side of the phone calls.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  See, I-

• 2:35:22Speaker 01

  And they were like, you need to apologize to this person.

• 2:35:24Joe Rogan?

  Did you blackout?

• 2:35:25Speaker 01

  All the time.

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  All the time. So you didn't remember anything?

• 2:35:27Speaker 01

  I wouldn't remember most. Sometimes I'd brown out, so I'd kinda remember what we did. There was times where I actually, I was at a party, right? And then I wake up and I'm handcuffed to a bed in a hospital getting charcoal dumped down.

• 2:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 2:35:44Speaker 01

  Getting my stomach pumped, so I'm like-

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:35:46Speaker 01

  Oh, something happened. Cause like I would-

• 2:35:50Speaker 01

  But I went from like, like being at a party to just being woken up with a charcoal stomach pump and I'm like, this isn't good.

• 2:35:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you talk about any of this stuff on stage?

• 2:35:59Speaker 01

  I do, yeah.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I would imagine. You have to. Like, what a, so ripe for material.

• 2:36:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I put out a book, it's called Party One, A Fuzzy Memoir, a little while ago, and it's, it's all stories of my youth. Because I, I was trying to get it all out. And then I had to ask people and I, I didn't put it out for years because I wanted to be like, hey, is it cool if I change, like, talk about, and everybody was, but, and a couple of my friends who are my really good friends I had to fuck with, where I'm like, don't worry, I changed your name from Brian to Ryan, so no one knows the deal. Little shit like that. But, but yeah, I talk about a lot of this on stage, cause dude, I got institutionalized. I got like-

• 2:36:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:36:36Speaker 01

  It was all like crazy.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  How'd you get institutionalized?

• 2:36:39Speaker 01

  Um, I, the story I talk about in the book is what happened the night before, well, not the book, but on stage, because I have to kind of sum it up. I actually did it on This Is Not Happening, Ari's show. And, uh, what happened was, was I used to like bong pints and fifths for like a party trick. And I could carry around a case of beer and, you know, drink that in the night. And my, mind you, I'm five, six. But then, I'm in high school, I probably weighed a hundred and forty pounds, dude. Like, I was, and if I wasn't on, if I wasn't on LSD and I wasn't on mushrooms and I wasn't on K, I was drunk. Wow. So I would switch it all up. And the night before, I had bonged a fifth at a party. What do you mean by bong?

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Um, you know the beer bongs that you use that have like the funnel and go through? So my friend Anthony pulled out this beer bong and my friend Nick poured an entire fifth of Absolut vodka. And Nick's like, dude, don't do this. You just drank the whole thing? Well, they put in a cap full of Sprite, then I drank the whole thing. And dude, I guess, I, I say this in the story because I, this is what I was told happened. I was tap dancing. I told my girlfriend who I love that she had orangutan titties and then

• 2:37:51Speaker 01

  and then I fell through a table, a glass table. Oh, no. And then, yeah, I ended up getting taken home by the cops. I don't know exactly what happened, but my mom ended up calling the police, which is, you know, like she didn't know what to do. I was doing something. Right. And they arrested me and I was institutionalized for two weeks. And I, I stayed with a kid who thought he was a werewolf. So you had to go to a mental health institution? I went to a mental health institution because they weren't, they didn't realize it was an addiction. They just arrested me because my behavior was so erratic. Oh. And I remember getting there and I met my, and I'm not kidding, I met my roommate who was, he was a werewolf. That's what he believed. And I'm like, I don't wanna, I don't wanna stay with him. And they're like, well, he's not really a werewolf. I'm like, yeah, I know, he's

• 2:38:36Speaker 01

  What happens when the moon turns full? Well, he attacked me.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:38:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, and they hit you. What they do is they grab a tank, a trank, it's called booty juice. And they hit you in the butt with it, and like, the guards will fight you off. But after two weeks, they're like, he's not, it's not so much that he's got mental illness, which he does, but he's an alcoholic, he's a severe alcoholic.

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  But your roommate, the werewolf?

• 2:39:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:02Joe Rogan?

  He attacked you when the moon turned white?

• 2:39:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, one night he just started howling, and I don't even think wolves howl. And he was way bigger than me.

• 2:39:10Joe Rogan?

  You don't think wolves howl?

• 2:39:11Speaker 01

  Well, not werewolves.

• 2:39:12Joe Rogan?

  They do, yeah. American Werewolf in London.

• 2:39:15Speaker 01

  Oh, but he was barking too, and this dude-

• 2:39:18Joe Rogan?

  Patient says sedative known as booty juice injected against their will.

• 2:39:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:22Joe Rogan?

  Growing number of children, teenagers admitted voluntarily to North Texas for-profit psychiatric hospitals told WFAN they've been injected with powerful sedative drugs without their parents' knowledge. Booty juice.

• 2:39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, which, that kid deserved it, they shouldn't have called the parents and go, hey, your wolf boy is fucking naked trying to eat a guy.

• 2:39:43Joe Rogan?

  Was he naked when he attacked you?

• 2:39:44Speaker 01

  He ripped all his clothes off, because he thought he was a werewolf, dude.

• 2:39:46Joe Rogan?

  So, tell me what that was like?

• 2:39:48Speaker 01

  Well, he's jumping on top of me, and I grabbed a lamp to hit him with it, but it was fucking glued down, because it's a mental hospital. So, that just kinda made me open my arms to him, and he's on top trying to bite me, and I'm like, holding him back. And that's when they came in, and they run, and they ran at him, they hit him with the syringe, they pulled him off me. And I'm just sitting there like, I don't wanna be here, like, I'll never drink again, you know, like, basically crying like a bitch. Like, and, you know, I'll never drink again was like my catchphrase through the nineties.

• 2:40:19Speaker 01

  So, they pull him out of there, and then, you know, and then eventually, they sent me off to a rehab where I spent, uh, I think I spent forty-five days there. And I heard it's not there anymore, which is a shame, because a lot of kids do need that now, and I heard they took it down, like, it's no longer there. And I went there, and the second I got out, I didn't drink, I didn't drink for like, a month. But the second I got in my friend's car, I hit a joint. And I'm not saying that that's bad, but it's like, dude, the second I was, I was, they're like, you can't drink, right? And I'm like, yeah, like, but you can smoke weed, I'm like, yeah.

• 2:40:54Speaker 01

  So, I immediately hit a joint.

• 2:40:57Speaker 01

  Oh my god, Dave. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And that's what my- It's kind of amazing that you're here. Dude, yeah, I got a lot of shit, like- You look great, though. Thank you. Like, for a guy who's gone through as much shit as you. Yeah, like- Three packs a day, alcohol, acid. Dude, so much acid. DUIs. Falls through the table. Look at you, fine. You know what- You know what is interesting, though? All the drugs now, because like I told you, I was a real, like, kinda depressed kid. Mm-hmm. And all the drugs that I did to treat depression are now used to treat depression. Mushrooms, ketamine, all that shit, dude. Right. Like, I'm- I spent five years in high school when it turns out I was completely accurate with my studies of how these drugs would help me. You were self-medicating.

• 2:41:43Speaker 01

  And I was accurate with it. Yeah. Because, dude, I would do K and I'd just be sitting there in a K-hole in class. Just think the desk is moving. Jesus, dude. And acid was the most fun to do in class because your teacher's face is melting and you're just sitting there, like, it's so much fun. Wow. But I was a- I was a mess, but at the same time, so many of my friends were, too. It wasn't like just me. Right, so it felt normal? Yeah. Like, I mean, I was the worst of them and technically slowest because I was arrested more than anybody. See, you were the most fun. Yeah. What did you think you were gonna do for a living back then? The only thing I ever loved was acting in comedy. Oh, okay. My dad would wake me up when I was a kid to watch SNL. Uh, and like, it wasn't something that my- him and my brother- they'd watch, like, baseball

• 2:42:28Speaker 01

  and stuff, but we'd watch SNL together. We would watch, like, old movies with, like, John Candy, Steve Mar- like, all those people. And then he introduced me to stand-up. And my dad bought me, um, uh, he bought me Kinison, Carlin. He bought me Carlin Classic Gold on tape when I was nine. Wow. Which had Seven Dirty Words and all that. Yeah. Um, he bought me Dangerfield, Button Down Mind of Bob Newhart, Eddie Murphy. He showed me Delirious when I was, like, eight. Wow. And I- dude, I still laughed so hard because that, like, uh, the whole bit he does about the hamburger was so relevant then. Like, I got McDonald's at home and he's like, "You can't have none you on the welfare." And I- I knew what that meant then, and I was crying laughing because I loved Eddie Murphy, you know?

• 2:43:12Speaker 01

  So he introduced me to comedy and the only thing I had any interest in was that. And- and one day, Second City opened up in Detroit. And I was pissing this teacher off- Someone and she stopped me after class and she goes, do you know what Second City is? And I go, uh, yeah, my dad's told me about it. It's like where all these SNL people came from. And she's like, yeah, you're actually really funny, but you're a fucking pain in the ass in my class. And I was like, okay.

• 2:43:41Joe Rogan?

  That's a cool teacher.

• 2:43:42Speaker 01

  It really was. And she goes, um, she goes, you should consider taking classes there. And I said, wow, okay. So after my fifth year, the first thing I did was I listened to her and my dad. And I signed up for Second City and dude, years later, I'm doing improv on stage with this group Motor City Improv. And like, it's more bar improv, you're just fucking around, you know?

• 2:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:44:04Speaker 01

  But, uh, my, one of the guys in the group was, hey, my wife's gonna come too. And it was my teacher and I got to do improv with her years later.

• 2:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:44:13Speaker 01

  It was really cool, man. Cause like she, it was the first time somebody didn't scold me. They stopped me to go like, you genuinely have something and you're not just this waste.

• 2:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:44:24Speaker 01

  And no one had ever, besides my parents, but nobody else had ever said that before.

• 2:44:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's so cool that she was already in that world. So she understood.

• 2:44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We were actually just having a conversation about that last night in the green room. Not last night, night before. And we were talking about times in your life that someone could have just told you, this is be- behavior like a stand-up comedian. Like that's a real job. You know, you know how you know you like fixing cars and you could be mechanic? You know, you like talking shit? You're funny, everybody laughs? This is a job. Like just, but everybody just tells you, you're a fucking loser and you're never gonna mount to anything and get out of my class.

• 2:44:59Speaker 01

  And that's, and I was very lucky. Like my parents, my dad had, had, was just about to pass. When I told him, I think I'm gonna do Second City and then take this film class up in Lansing, Michigan, which is what I did. I did film and I did that and I would go back and forth. And he was like, you should, like, that's what you've always wanted to do. Like I had a camera in my hand since I was a kid. Like my parents never wanted me to have a backup plan. They were like, find something you love. Like that's, you know, and, and we were really only torn apart as a family because of what we experienced, you know, from my dad just being screwed.

• 2:45:36Speaker 01

  So, we were, if, I think if I had given a more direct line, I may have gotten there sooner. You know, but I was, I was angry and depressed and pissed off. Sure. You know, my, my whole attitude was fuck you, fuck the system. Yeah. So, there, when I finally found that outlet, it was wonderful, dude, especially when you're writing sketches and watching them come to life and you're ripping on the people that have fucked you over and like, there's such a good feeling about that. Yeah. And a lot of people that I met have gone on to do great things. Like, I was in a troupe with Sam Richardson who went on to do, uh, Detroiters and, you know, I, uh, there's Tim Robinson, who I didn't know him well or anything, but we did improv a couple times and it's cool to see him like, skyrocket with I Think You Should Leave and all these other stuff and,

• 2:46:19Speaker 01

  Keegan-Michael Key was somebody that was out of the Detroit chapter, so there's like some really cool people that ended up coming out of there. What was the stand-up scene like? Like, what was the big club? Uh, the big club was Mark Ridley's Comedy Castle. Okay, I heard that place. Yeah, and I started with- That's supposed to be a great spot. Dude, it's unbelievable. And he, he was the guy who you wanted to do stand-up in front of because he was there every night tearing tickets, like, he was, dude, he was a part of it from the late seventies until he had a heart attack, maybe around 2010. His son Ryan Ridley was, uh, the head writer of, uh, Rick and Morty. Oh, wow. So, he, dude, he's a great dude and, um, you, you just had Mike Costa on. Yes. Mike was in my group when I started. Oh, no kidding? Yeah, he was one of the people that I started with. Wow.

• 2:47:00Speaker 01

  And then a guy named Matt McLeod, who's, he's actually featuring for me this weekend, who's unbelievably funny, dude. Uh, the mothership? Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah, he's got Asperger's, Adam knows him, and dude, he's funny, it's, yeah, yeah. If any luck, he'll think he's a lady. Well, at least he doesn't think he's a werewolf. But yeah, dude, he's, he's a beast and like, we had a pretty cool group when we started where we weren't kissing each other's ass, we were all just trying to figure it out. Oh, that's great. So, we would like criticize each other and like, we've all done pretty well considering like, where people have gone off to, you know, at least in the sense of making money and making a living, you know, making, making people laugh, like, and- That's awesome.

• 2:47:38Speaker 01

  We were lucky because there was like ten different clubs in Detroit where you could go like, okay, I'll go do Ridley's in the suburbs, but then I can go do a super- Urban room, you know, in the city and I can get used to that audience. Then I can go to Ann Arbor and I can be in a bunch of, in front of liberals at the showcase or at the Heidelberg Project and then I can go, you know, so you could go all over and you could experience every kind of audience you could ever be in front of at 10 different places in a week.

• 2:48:05Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:48:06Speaker 01

  It was really cool.

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. Listen dude, this will be a lot of fun.

• 2:48:10Speaker 01

  Thank you, I really liked talking to you, man.

• 2:48:11Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad you're alive.

• 2:48:12Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:48:13Joe Rogan?

  You're still listening to your stories. It's kind of a miracle that you made it this far, but you're a good dude and it's always fun to have you at the club, it's been a lot of fun.

• 2:48:21Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  And I'm excited to see you this weekend.

• 2:48:23Speaker 01

  I appreciate it Joe, thank you very much.

• 2:48:25Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure, brother. Tell everybody how they can find you, all your stuff online.

• 2:48:28Speaker 01

  You can go to davelandau.com, I have everything on there, you can check out tour dates and everything and also, yeah, I guess I wrote up my book, Party of One, a Fuzzy Memoir, it did really well on Amazon.

• 2:48:39Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:48:40Speaker 01

  And yeah, it's, a lot of people have enjoyed it and a lot of the stories will be much funnier to you than they were for me to live, so I hope you enjoy it.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Alright, beautiful, alright, thanks brother.

• 2:48:51Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Bye everybody.

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