How to Permanently Release Your Heart's Emotional Baggage with Dr. Bradley Nelson

Ever wonder how emotional baggage messes with your health? Dr. Bradley Nelson is here to teach us the science of how to shed that baggage. Turns out, emotional energy lingers in your body and can pop up as physical and mental symptoms down the road. Dr. Nelson stresses that menopause isn't just a rough patch—it's a huge growth spurt for you and your emotional well-being. As he puts it, "Your subconscious mind chats with you through your physical body," shining a light on those invisible but powerful emotional experiences that shape our lives. To view full show notes, more information on our guests, resources mentioned in the episode, discount codes, transcripts, and more, visit https://drmindypelz.com/ep304 Holistic physician Dr. Bradley Nelson (D. C., ret.) is one of the world's foremost experts on natural methods of achieving wellness. He is the creator of The Emotion Code®, The Body Code™, and The Belief Code®, and CEO of Discover Healing. His bestselling books include "The Emotion Code" and "The Body Code." His newest book, "The Heart Code" (Dec. 2, 2025), is now available for preorder. Learn more at Drbradnelson.com. Check out our fasting membership at https://esetacademy.drmindypelz.com https://resetacademy.drmindypelz.com/. Please note our medical disclaimer https://drmindypelz.com/medical-disclaimer/.

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• 0:02Mindy Pelz?

  On this episode of the Resetter Podcast, I am bringing you a really fun conversation, a new way to look at the intersection of the human body and our emotional state. So I want to introduce you to Dr. Bradley Nelson, who is the author of a wildly popular book called The Emotion Code. It was a few years back it came out, and I know everybody in my world was going crazy for it. And I think you'll understand why when you hear this conversation. Dr. Bradley is a leader in bioenergetics. He is a holistic practitioner, and he has been teaching, really quantum, it's a quantum

• 0:46Mindy Pelz?

  physics discussion you're about to hear, although I do not want you to be scared away by that thought. But he's been really teaching the world how our emotions get trapped. And in this conversation, I really wanted him to bring his work to the menopausal experience. Because I'm hearing from so many of you and so many friend groups where we have spontaneous rage. I know that irritability is the number one symptom of a woman going through menopause. We have all these do not care clubs that are showing up all over the place.

• 1:26Mindy Pelz?

  And I keep asking myself, is this truly because of a shift in hormones? Or is there a point in which women go, I've had enough? And years, perhaps generations of trauma, start speaking to us as we move into these post-menopausal years. And Dr. Bradley has really a strong opinion on that. And I'm going to let you listen to him and make an opinion for yourself. This is a conversation of energetics in the body. It is going to feel woo woo at times because we don't talk about the energetics and the frequency of emotion and how it affects us.

• 2:11Mindy Pelz?

  So anytime we hear anything new in the healthcare world, we tend to reject it. But I want you to stick with this conversation. I want you to enter in with an open mind. You will hear a ton of science in here. You will hear a ton of stories of people who were able to not just heal themselves physically, but were able to heal relationships using Dr. Bradley's Emotion Code recipe. And he's going to actually lead you through a really cool visualizations that will help you have an experience with it yourself. So this was a really deep conversation around trapped emotions and what happens when they resurface? And most importantly, how do we let go of them? So Dr.

• 2:55Mindy Pelz?

  Bradley Nelson, The Emotion Code, I hope you enjoy this as much as I did. And go get the book. And he's got a new book coming out. And just you be your own N of one and make the decision for yourself if this is something you would benefit from. Dr. Bradley Nelson. Welcome to the Resetter Podcast. This podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself again. If you have a passion for learning, if you're looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast for you. Well, Dr.

• 3:40Mindy Pelz?

  Bradley, let me start off by just welcoming you to the Resetter Podcast. I am actually incredibly thrilled to have this discussion, not just for my audience, but I think I want it for myself. So welcome. I'm super happy to have you here.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Well, thank you so much for having me on. I'm really looking forward to this. It's an honor to be here.

• 3:59Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah, thank you. I really have been watching the menopausal conversation in the cultural zeitgeist. And menopause has gone from a place where we weren't talking about it to a time in which everybody's talking about it. But we're really talking about it through the lens of you're suffering because you need hormone replacement therapy. And where the conversation is now, leading to, and a big premise of my next book that's that we're launching in December, is really that menopause is a transformational moment. It is a time where there's this massive neurochemical change in women, and that change is actually

• 4:39Mindy Pelz?

  working for us. But what I've noticed in all the research I did, in my own personal experience, in talking to experts, is it's a very, very common time for traumas to rear their ugly head. And so I really wanted to bring you on to talk. I'm fascinated by this idea of the heart wall and the trapped emotions in the heart. So could you, could we start with, what, how would we know if we have emotion that's trapped in the heart? Or how do we know if it's that, or if we're just, our husband's chewing his food too loud?

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Okay, sorry.

• 5:23Mindy Pelz?

  Because that's really what's going on here, is all this repressed trauma is agitating us, which makes us all of a sudden feel like your chewing is a little too loud.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  Sorry. That's funny. Well, okay, so first of all, just, just a little bit about me. I became a computer programmer back in the very early 1980s. And, and so, learned about computing, learned about logic and so on. When I became a doctor, and had my own practice for about 18 years, it slowly began to dawn on me that each patient that I was dealing with was actually a computer. There was really a computer within them. And that computer within them really had all the answers about what was going on with them. And so my work has really been to refine a way to communicate with that internal computer and get answers.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  And when you do that, you're really going to the source and the subconscious mind will tell you, that internal computer, exactly what's wrong with you, exactly what you need, if you're deficient in a certain vitamin or mineral, or if you've got some kind of low grade infection, or if something's out of alignment, or if you've got emotional baggage. And what I found was, first of all, by accessing this internal computer, it worked incredibly well. During the last 10 years that I was in practice, most of the people that I saw, most of my patients had been told there was really no hope for them at all in Western medicine. And yet, by accessing the internal computer and getting answers, which now, you know, anybody can really do, and that's what our work's all about, is teaching everybody how to do that, the vast majority of those people, with only a couple of exceptions, were able

• 7:03Speaker 01

  to get well. And because the answers were all inside of them. Well, so what I found was that all my patients had something in common. No matter how young or old they were, no matter what they'd been diagnosed with, whether it was physical pain, or some kind of mental or emotional issue, they all had something in common. And what that was, was their emotional baggage, right? Now, we use that phrase, emotional baggage, usually when we're talking about somebody else, right? We're describing someone.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Very true. We don't want to open up ours.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  No. That stays in the trunk.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. But we're happy to diagnose other people and tell you what their emotional baggage looks like.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Absolutely, in a heartbeat, no problem, no hesitation. But anyway, what I found was, and it was an astounding thing, really, once I began to refine this process of asking questions and getting answers, I found that most of the physical pain that my patients had was being caused, to one degree or another, by the emotional baggage that they were dealing with. And I found that this emotional baggage, and I'll explain what this is in just a minute.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  It was also an underlying contributing factor to every disease process now that we've seen, and this is now talking 15,000 people that I've trained in 108 countries around the world, we're all seeing the same thing. Emotional baggage is a big piece of every disease, sometimes more, sometimes less. I think I've seen cases where emotional baggage was the only reason for cancer, for example, to appear. Really interesting. So, so that was very fascinating and, and so I, I've eventually left practice and wrote this book called The Emotion Code. And the way that we explain emotional baggage is, is this way. I mean, we all experience emotions all the time, right?

• 9:08Speaker 01

  And when you experience an emotion, that emotion is coming up for you in response to some kind of a stimulus. Maybe something was said to you, maybe you saw something or read something, or, or thought something, whatever. Anyway, that emotional energy, that, that frequency of that emotion, and every emotion is a frequency, they're all different, but that particular emotion is coming up for you, it's welling up inside of you, and maybe it's resentment, maybe it's anger, maybe it's frustration, could be anything. And when that emotion is coming up for you, you're entering into what I like to, to call the, the first phase of the emotional loop.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  So an emotional experience is kind of like a, a little loop. And you start into that by, by beginning to feel that emotion. You might have certain thoughts that go along with that emotion, you might have certain physical sensations even that go along with that emotion. And then, most of the time, what happens is, as you continue into that loop, you acknowledge that emotion and you allow it to dissipate its energy, the loop closes and that experience is over, and now you're ready for the next emotional experience. If only that were how it always went.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, so it's like it's done, the emotional experience is done and then you move on.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Right, but unfortunately, what happens to us is that oftentimes, we, we end up doing one of three things. I mean, sometimes an emotion comes up for us that's just overwhelming and we can't help it. It's overwhelming. Maybe your husband asks you for a divorce all of a sudden, or you find out he's been cheating on you, or, or maybe someone's in a terrible accident, or you lose a parent. I mean, all of these kinds of intense things happen. And the emotion can just be overwhelming. And that will result in a loop that is stuck open. Okay. And that's what we refer, that's really what emotional baggage is. It's an emotional experience that was not allowed to complete. Now it's stuck open. You have an open loop, literally. So that's one way.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Another way that we develop emotional baggage is, let's say that an emotion comes up for you. And maybe it's anger at something that someone said or something did. And you decide, you know what? I've just, I don't want to become an angry person. I'm just going to bury that. And so you stuff that emotion and you move on. Well, in that case, that emotional energy was unexpressed. And so now you have an open loop. Right? And that's emotional baggage. The other way that we develop emotional baggage is if some emotion is coming up for you and you decide to artificially enhance it. And so you end up maybe flying off the handle or being really dramatic.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Oftentimes, these are cases where later we're embarrassed, right? Because gee, I didn't need to get so upset about that. I feel kind of, you know, sheepish about it. That kind of circumstance also will create an open loop. And so when an open loop is created in one of those three ways, the emotional energy is still in the body in this kind of suspended form. And a trapped emotion, what we find is that a trapped emotion is literally a ball of emotional energy, about the size of a baseball, about the size of a, maybe a small melon. And these things land in the body in different places. And then they create symptoms, but they don't, they don't always create symptoms right away.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Sometimes it might go, you know, 10 or 20 years or even more. And in fact, one of the very first cases that I saw was a woman that came in to see me and she thought she was having a heart attack. She had crushing chest pain, difficulty breathing, her left arm was completely numb. The left side of her face was numb. And so it sure looks like a heart attack, right? And we were right next door to a medical center. So I told my staff, look, give me one minute with her. Stand by, we might need an ambulance. But I did some testing on her and found that she had a trapped emotion. Now, in the emotion code, what we do is we use a chart that looks like this. I don't know if that's gonna focus or not, but maybe. Okay.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  There's 60 emotions on this chart, divided up into two columns and six rows. And so asking questions of her subconscious mind, and we use different methods of muscle testing to do that, I was able to figure out right away, within about one minute, that the emotion, there was definitely an emotion that was behind the symptoms that she was having, and the emotion was grief. And it had occurred three years before. And when I arrived at that, she burst into tears. And she said, I can't believe that's affecting me. I thought I dealt with all that. And I said, well, can you tell me what happened? And she said that three years before, she found out that her husband had been having an affair, and she confronted him with the evidence, and the marriage blew up, and she ended up getting a divorce.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  And she was, she was really so deeply in love with this guy and was so betrayed and so hurt. And she, she actually went to therapy for a year and dealt with it. And then had even gotten remarried. So as far as she was concerned, that was just her ex, he betrayed her. She was over it, but her body wasn't. And that's how emotional baggage works. And so when I released that emotional energy, that trapped emotion, by just swiping a few times down the middle of the back, down the governing meridian, the feeling came back into her arm and into her face. And the chest pain was gone, the difficulty breathing was gone, all within the space of about three seconds. And she left the office about 10 minutes later after joking with me and my staff.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  And I remember after she left, sitting at my desk, and my head was kind of spinning, thinking. What in the world did I just witness there? What was that? Well, we now know that you can literally die of a broken heart, right?

• 15:06Mindy Pelz?

  Yep.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  The Japanese discovered this. Women, especially over the age of 55, if you go through some intense emotional event, your heart may go into failure. And if they x-ray your heart at that point, your heart will probably look just like a Japanese fisherman's jar that in Japan they refer to as a takotsubo. Really interesting. I mean, the heart looks exactly like this bell-shaped jar that fishermen put on the bottom of the ocean for octopus to crawl into and then they catch them. And that's the final home for the octopus. It's unfortunate enough. But anyway, that's what happens. And so if you feel like you're having a heart attack, by all means, you know, call the ER or call the name and just go to the ER.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  But if they come back and tell you that your heart enzymes are normal and that, you know, everything seems to be fine, it wasn't really a classic heart attack, you may be on your way to dying of a broken heart. Now, that particular woman, I want you to think about this, that was probably 35 years ago that I worked on her and released that grief. She's never had another occurrence of her heart of any kind like that. And she's still, you know, we're still connected. She lives in Oregon. She's got a horse ranch. But I think that if we had not released that energy, that intense emotional energy from her, from her husband's, you know, infidelity, I think it's very likely that she, she may have died of, literally of a broken heart. People would not have known that, you know, her husband's affairs were what killed her.

• 16:33Mindy Pelz?

  What is an emotion? Like, how do we describe what an emotion? Because we have an experience, it creates a thought, and then we interpret that thought and give it meaning, and therefore we have this emotional reaction. Is it a neurochemical reaction? Like, what is it that is an emotion?

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, there, I mean, there's a neurochemical side of it. But what I like to do is go deeper, and I like to go down to the quantum level. And on the quantum level, at the smallest level of everything, you know, we are beings that are made of pure energy. I mean, if you, if you look at your hand and you start zooming in with a big microscope, eventually you're looking at a cell, and you keep going, you're looking at a molecule, keep going, you're looking at an atom. And if you look in the atom, look inside, you see there's, there's really nothing, really nothing in there at all, just empty space and some little infinite testament tiny energies zipping around. It's, our reality is kind of strange. I mean, quantum physicists say that if you could remove all the empty space between all

• 17:40Speaker 01

  the atoms and everyone's body on Earth, you could fit everyone, you could corral everybody on Earth, all, I think it's what, like, seven billion people or 7.8 billion, you could fit them all into a box the size of a sugar cube. They're trying to make a point that our bodies are really made of energy. And so, that's hard for us to wrap our heads around, but that's the reality. Albert Einstein understood this, and he said, "The medicine of the future will be the medicine of frequencies." And Nikola Tesla said, even before that, he said, "If you want to understand the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy and frequency and vibration." So, so what happens as we, as we get older, the emotional baggage that we've picked up,

• 18:24Speaker 01

  that we've been dragging through our life, can often begin to manifest. Because what happens is, when you're younger, you have a pretty wide margin of error, right? You can go out drinking, go to work the next day, you're okay, you can stay out all night. As we get older, you know, we, we don't want to go to a lot, do a lot of those crazy things, and the margin gets thinner, and we know it, right? And so, so as we get older, and especially if you're a woman and you're starting to go through menopause, that margin gets even a little thinner yet. And then also, you have the emotional enhancement going on because of the hormonal fluctuations. And so...

• 19:05Speaker 01

  You become more of a, more of a fine tuned instrument in a way. You become more sensitive, sometimes hypersensitive to things. But what causes, what's the underlying cause of those, those hypersensitivities is often emotional baggage that is there from things that have happened before in your life. It's almost like, well, it's kind of like, like low tide, right? If the tide is in and all you see is the beach, you might think, oh, the beach goes on forever. But if the tide goes out always, you might see, oh, there's all kinds of big rocks here. That's kind of what it's like emotionally when you're going through menopause or you're starting to that process.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  It's like the tide goes out and now these old emotional wounds and things and traumas are more easily.

• 19:56Mindy Pelz?

  Identifiable.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  What would you say? They're triggered, identified. Yeah. Yep. So something happens to you and you, all of a sudden you're having, you're having an emotional reaction. And you think, what is wrong with me? This is not normal. I've never responded that way when anyone has ever said that thing before to me. And now I'm upset and the reason for that is because there's a rock out there on the beach and that rock is an emotional baggage, or in other words, a trapped emotion, an open loop. See? And so, so one of the great things about getting to, getting to be that age, if you're a woman and going into menopause is that, you know, it's a time of cleansing really, or can be, right? It should be.

• 20:38Mindy Pelz?

  I mean, that, that has been, that is in all, you know, I just spent over a decade researching this book. And that is really what I see is I call it the neurochemical armor. There's like a shedding of the neurochemical system that sort of kept us asleep and we didn't really quite feel all the traumas we were accumulating and that armor comes down. And I really resonate as a 55 year old woman with what you said where something triggers us. And, and I, I observe in my own self that there's sort of a moment of like, am I really that upset about this situation? Or is there something else in here, in this neuro system that, you know, in this body of mine?

• 21:23Mindy Pelz?

  That wants to come out. And I'll even share with you a story that a friend told me the other day, who's 43 and just entering perimenopause. And she said to me, oh, my God, Mindy, the rage that is pouring out of me, it, I don't understand what it is. And the zeitgeist response is you didn't get enough hormones. And I keep like scratching under that surface and saying, I think we have a lot of women who have repressed something and that repression is coming out. So with with that in mind, if you are walking through your day and things are triggering you,

• 22:03Mindy Pelz?

  and they feel over exaggerated, what is there, what can we do? Is there something that we can do to unwind these emotions that have been trapped?

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Here's a great example that comes to mind. There's one woman that came to see me in my practice. And she was, she was, you know, going into that menopausal age and was having, having some issues. And I was working with her. But one of the things that we found was that she had a trapped emotion of resentment. And in this case, this was something that had been a trigger for a long time. We traced the emotion back, and it started, actually, it became trapped around age 18. And resentment. And she said, oh, she said, you know what, 18, I know exactly what that is. And I said, really, she said, she said, yeah, that was, it was this cheerleader

• 22:54Speaker 01

  from high school. And, you know, it's funny, because she said, and, you know, she was probably late 40, she said, when I think about that girl, even now, all these years after high school, I can feel the resentment kind of welling up inside me. And I don't even really remember now why I resented her so much, but I still do. And so that was a trapped emotion, an open loop, an emotional energy of resentment. So in other words, and the sounds very wild, but this is how it is. She literally had this ball of resentment, okay, in her body somewhere that was connected to that girl, this ball of emotional energy. And so whenever she would

• 23:37Speaker 01

  think about that girl, that energy would activate and her whole being would kind of slide into that vibration of resentment. And so the result is she feels it in an exaggerated way, right?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  And so, so sure enough, that's what it was about. I released it and the whole thing probably took a couple of minutes. She comes back into my office about three days later. She said, you know what? She said, last night I was at a friend's house, a friend of mine from high school. We were talking about the old days and that girl's name came up. And for the first time in all these years, I felt nothing.

• 24:11Mindy Pelz?

  Amazing.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  I remember her, but yeah, I felt nothing. And that's, that's really the power of the emotion code, because what we can do with it is we can very rapidly identify what these rocks are that are visible now at low tide and we can release those. And it just, you know, literally takes, I mean, when a person learns how to do this, they can usually release a trapped emotion in about a minute. And so it's very fast.

• 24:39Mindy Pelz?

  Can you learn to do it yourself?

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Yes, you absolutely can. And we teach you how in the book. The emotion code book looks like this, of course, in English. There's lots of, behind me on the wall, we've got lots of other different languages. But yeah, the book is designed to teach you the whole process and you can absolutely do it on yourself and you can also do it on your kids.

• 25:01Mindy Pelz?

  So they don't?

• 25:01Speaker 01

  We do recommend you get their permission if they're, you know, legal age, but yeah.

• 25:05Mindy Pelz?

  And so doing it on a kid would be so that they don't keep carrying these, that, those emotions in their body for years and years and years. Yeah, that makes sense. I love that thought.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  I'll share a story with you. Our, one of our boys, we have, we have twin boys. We have eight kids total. My wife and I have been married 44 years, this week, actually, on the 20th. Thank you.

• 25:28Mindy Pelz?

  That's amazing.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. And we're still in love. Kind of amazing. But this work has really been helpful, you know, to get rid of all the emotional baggage, because we've all got it. But when we were first learning how to do this, one of our boys, they're 36 years old now, but one of them was four years old and he still was not speaking in complete sentences. And so we were trying to figure out what was wrong. And so we took him to have his hearing checked. His hearing was fine. And so we actually worked on him. And this might sound kind of strange, but the subconscious mind is the internal computer. It never sleeps. It's always running. You know, we, we spend our lives in our conscious minds and the conscious brain, but that's a very small part of our total intelligence.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  So anyway, we worked on him one night. He was actually asleep, but we were able to, we teach you how to do this in the book. You can communicate with the subconscious, even if a person is asleep or in a coma or whatever. And in this case, we had permission because he was our child. And we found that he had inherited an emotion of anger from my wife's father, who was basically a rage-holic. I mean, he was, you know, really off the chart angry and was always blowing up and it was a very unsafe environment. Anyway, we released that from him and a couple of other emotions. And the next morning at breakfast, now he didn't know we worked on him, right? He's only four years old. The next morning at breakfast, he would not shut up. I mean, he was just talking non-stop.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  A kid that had not formed a complete sentence until that morning. And my wife and I were just looking at each other like, can you believe this? But there's really no, there's really no, no barrier. You know, another story, I went to work that day and I told, I was telling people about this and how amazing it was. And one of my patients said, you know, she said, I wonder if my daughter has a trapped emotion. She said, my husband is an airline pilot and so he's gone for days at a time. And when he comes home, our daughter, who's about, I think she was about five years old, she runs and hides from him. She doesn't want to see him and it just breaks his heart. And I said, well, bring her in and let's test her. So her mom brought her in, we tested her.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  She had a trapped emotion, some trapped emotion about her father being gone that was altering her behavior. And so we released one trapped emotion. She took her daughter home. The next week she came back in, she said, She said, "You can't believe it." She said, "When my husband came home a few days ago, our daughter ran and jumped into his arms." She has not done that before and just amazing. So, you know, it's been such an interesting journey for me because what we work on with emotional baggage is something that's totally invisible. You can't see it, but yet it's absolutely there. And with the emotion code, what we're teaching people is how to find

• 28:21Speaker 01

  their own emotional baggage and get rid of it. So that, you know, especially as we're talking about going into menopause, they're not, you know, being swung back and forth so into all these crazy emotional ups and downs because they can find their baggage to get rid of it and then things can level out.

• 28:37Mindy Pelz?

  So when I look at it through that lens and I apply it to my own self, I think, well, shoot, now I'm like, I've got a lifetime, plus maybe I have generations of this baggage. And I would say my new aha, because I've done a lot of trauma work on myself in the last couple of years, my new aha, when I have an emotional reaction is, wait a second, is this appropriate for the situation? Or are you bringing, you know, a lifetime of emotional trauma into this moment? So when I hear the way you just explained it, I can tell you my motivating factor would be, is there a daily way I can clear emotions

• 29:20Mindy Pelz?

  out of me? Is there, you know, my vision for menopausal women is that we start to see menopause as a beautiful time to reinvent ourselves, to start to come into new versions of ourself. And if you look at the way the brain remodels itself and the neurochemical armor comes down, but a part of reinvention is letting go of past behaviors and thoughts. So do we have to wait until we're triggered? Or is there like a daily practice? Yeah. What's the daily to just clean the system of these, this baggage we may be carrying around?

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Well, absolutely. And that's, of course, the Emotion Code Method. And it's a, it is a really simple method. In the book, what we do is we teach people how to do it. You can use, you have to get answers from the subconscious mind. Because the problem is, the conscious mind knows very little, remembers very little about all the things we've been through. The subconscious, on the other hand, remembers, it's like a steel trap. I mean, it remembers everything with a perfect understanding. So we have to communicate with it. And so we teach different methods of doing that. For example, different methods of muscle testing, where you ask a question, the answer is a stronger muscle or a weaker muscle, right? You can use a pendulum. You can use different dowsing devices and so on. And it's all explained in the book. But it is a simple process.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  And it's something that even children, you know, learn how to do and are doing effectively.

• 30:47Mindy Pelz?

  What, you know, a lot of those modalities are like, I look at them, the crystals, the muscle testing, and I'm like, I'm fine with them. I can see how they would work. But I think the general public still doesn't understand what's the scientific reasoning behind that. So just so we don't lose people in this conversation, can you, can you explain the validity of those? Because it's so fascinating to me that we'll, we'll take an over the counter medication without ever asking what the side effects are. And if our doctor says, "Take this," we're like, "Yes." But if all of a sudden you hear a conversation like this, where your emotions are trapped and you should, you know, put a crystal over you

• 31:30Mindy Pelz?

  or muscle test, now people are like, "Peace out." Little do they know the medication's more harmful than something like this. So give us some context to understand that form of testing, so we don't lose people.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Right, absolutely. Well, the fact of the matter is, muscle testing, or communicate, it's one of the ways that you can communicate with the subconscious mind, is used all over the world by, you know, in the most advanced cancer treatment centers, for example, that are on the holistic side of things. Used by doctors of all stripes, more so doctors that are, again, you know, leaning towards the holistic side of things. But there are studies that show that muscle testing is, it's definitely valid. There is a change that takes place. Think about it this way, if you're hooked up to a lie detector device, right?

• 32:19Mindy Pelz?

  That's beautiful.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  There is a physiological change that takes place in your body. That's what's being measured on that device, right? And, and so unless you've taken the mafia course, you know, lie detector 101, they're going to know that you're lying.

• 32:34Mindy Pelz?

  Right.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Right? Because of those physiological changes that take place. So muscle testing is just a way to pick up those physiological changes without having to buy a lie detector or a bunch of expensive equipment. It's just easy to do it on yourself and you can try this at home. For example, if I were there with you, Mindy, I could have you hold one arm out parallel to the floor. If I were to press down on the end of your outstretched arm, you should be able to resist me, okay? If you were to make a true statement such as, "My name is Mindy," that would be true or congruent. If I were to press down on your arm, you would stay strong. On the other hand, if you were to say something that's incongruent or untrue, for example, if you were to say, "My name is Jill," not true.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  If you were to try to resist my downward pressure, at that point, your arm would weaken. And so this is something that has been known about for, for a long, long time. It began to be, to come back into the consciousness of, of the world back in the 1960s. There was a doctor by the name of George Goodhart, brilliant guy. Yeah, yeah, you've heard of him.

• 33:36Mindy Pelz?

  My, my, the chiropractor that I was, I, you know, I've been going into a chiropractor since I was a kid because I had ear infections and he trained under, under Goodhart. So, yeah.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Wow, okay.

• 33:48Mindy Pelz?

  So, yeah, yep, very familiar with him.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  There you go. So, so basically it's very interesting. In fact, let me, let me walk your, your listeners and viewers maybe through a little exercise. Okay? One of the simplest ways to communicate with the subconscious mind is with a little, a little test that we call the sway test. Now here's how this works. If you take a plant and you put it near a window, if you don't rotate the plant periodically, the plant's going to end up bent in the direction of the sun, right? On the other hand, they've done studies, they found that if you put a speaker in a room with uniform lighting and that speaker is blaring out really harsh, grating sounds, really certain, really intense kinds of music, the plant and the roots themselves will actually

• 34:35Speaker 01

  grow away from the sound coming out of the speaker, even though there's uniform lighting all around. And so- The human body is an organism, more complex than a plant, and yet we have that same capability. Our bodies will respond to positive or negative input. So here's what we can do. Now, if you can, if you're listening or watching, stand up, okay? Empty your hands and drop your hands down by your sides. Place your feet about shoulder width apart. And just clear your mind. Take a deep breath. Let it out. And just relax.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Now, you'll notice, after a few moments, you'll notice that it's not really possible to stand perfectly still, okay? There's always a little bit of movement going on. You might sway a little to one side or the other, or maybe at some angle, very gently. And that's the result of your postural muscles working to keep you standing upright, okay? They're always trying to keep you standing that way. But what we're going to do right now is we're going to give you a chance to let your subconscious mind, your internal computer, that incomprehensibly intelligent part of you that is unconscious, that's creating millions

• 36:01Speaker 01

  of new cells every minute, that is in touch with every trauma you've ever experienced, everything you've ever done, every face you've ever seen in a crowd, everything you've ever eaten or tasted or touched or smelled is all in there in that subconscious computer. And we're going to give your subconscious computer a chance to speak to you, okay? Through this medium of your physical body. So what we're going to do is this. Our bodies, the subconscious mind will respond. If we're holding thoughts in our conscious mind... And we hold those thoughts for a moment or two. Pretty soon, the subconscious mind will become aware of what it is we're consciously thinking.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Now, if what we're consciously thinking about is negative or untrue, what will tend to happen is the body will tend to sway backward, okay? If you allow it. Now, I don't want you to force your body to do anything. But we're going to start with something really negative. We're going to start with the word "war," okay? So with your eyes closed there, and just standing very relaxed, imagine for a moment that you meet somebody that is from another planet, perhaps, where war does not exist. And we've heard that word "war" all of our lives. But imagine trying to explain to that person, what is war? What really goes on when we're holding a war, right?

• 37:27Speaker 01

  When a war is happening? Try to imagine, what are people doing? People wearing one uniform. What are they actually doing to other people that are wearing a different uniform? And of course, it's just legalized murder, right? Think about all the villages that have been destroyed. Think of all the families that have been ruined. And all the people that were in love, who lost a loved one. All the children that lost their parents. Think of all the tears that have been shed on this crazy planet since the very beginning, because war's been with us since the very beginning. And as you imagine what really goes on in war, at a certain point, your subconscious mind is going to connect with what it is

• 38:12Speaker 01

  that you're consciously thinking about. And in that moment, your subconscious mind will move upon your physical body, and your body will begin to sway backward. And that's your subconscious trying to move you away from the sheer negativity of that thought, right? Those thoughts of war. Now, if this didn't work for you, you can try it again later and let go a little bit. Allow your body to do whatever it wants to do and don't force it. But let's try something else now. Let's, let's leave war behind and let's, let's try something else really positive. Okay. Because on really positive things, the body will tend to sway forward. Forward is yes, backwards is no.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  And so, so let's imagine, close your eyes, take a deep breath. We'll let all those thoughts of war go away and leave them behind. And now I'd like you to imagine that, that a thousand years have gone by. You're living a thousand years into the future now. And you're living in a place of unbelievable, unconditional love. You feel totally accepted, but you've changed in a very profound, very significant way. You've, you've changed because your heart has changed. Your ability to love others has grown dramatically over all these years and all these centuries. And now you are a being that is capable of unlimited unconditional love.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  In fact, the pure love that fills your heart for all beings, for all of creation, is so huge that your heart cannot even begin to contain that love. And that love expands out from your heart and it goes out into the whole world. And it fills every crack and crevice, every nook and cranny. And it goes out even beyond this world. And imagine that love emanating from your heart, going out and filling the immensity of space itself. Now imagine for a moment, what would it feel like to be a being like that?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  To be a, an ascended being that is capable of that kind of love? Because when we talk about ascended beings, to me, that's, that's what that means. And so, as you think about that, what that would feel like.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  When your subconscious mind connects with what you're consciously thinking, in that moment, the subconscious will move upon the, on the physical body, and it will start to sway you forward. And so I know a lot of people that are listening or watching are right on their tiptoes right now, because that's how this works. So, the point of this little exercise was to show you that subconscious mind can speak to you through this medium of the physical body, okay? Now, you can ask another kind of question, and this other question might be, "Do I have a trapped emotion that is needing to be released?" Ask that question of your own subconscious, pose that question, "Do I have a trapped emotion?" And again, as you're standing there, totally relaxed,

• 41:21Speaker 01

  focus on that question. "Do I have a trapped emotion that needs to be released?" Focus on that question. "Do I have a trapped emotion that needs to be released?" And chances are, you will probably begin to sway forward, and that's your subconscious mind giving you a yes answer. So, how it works is, and this of course is all explained in the book, but you use the chart of emotions, and your subconscious mind knows whatever emotion it is. We identify these one at a time. So if you have a trapped emotion, your body says, "Yeah, I've got a trapped emotion." What you do then is you go to the chart, and you ask, "Well, is it in column A?" And the subconscious will, "No." And if it is, then you ask, "Is it in an odd row? 1, 3, or 5?"

• 42:04Speaker 01

  And if that's a no, you know it's in an even row, and you follow the process this way. And so, pretty quickly, you're able to zero in and identify the exact emotion that it is. And, and then it's a pretty simple thing, usually you just release that trapped emotion. To release a trapped emotion, you can use your hand, if you're working on yourself, or you can use a magnet like this, and you just start at the forehead and go over the top of the head to the back of the neck, three times. If you find an inherited trapped emotion, which we receive at conception, that may go back generations, it takes 10 swipes over the governing meridian. That's what we're doing. This little meridian starts the tailbone, goes right up over the top of the head. We're putting energy into that meridian and it's 10 swipes to release

• 42:47Speaker 01

  an inherited emotion. But that's as easy as it is.

• 42:51Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  And they're gone permanently.

• 42:53Mindy Pelz?

  And, and the reason we do the governing, can you explain the, the science behind that?

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:58Mindy Pelz?

  We are, you're moving, are you trying to move energy or are you just trying to calm?

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 43:05Mindy Pelz?

  You're trying to balance the system?

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, what we're doing there, the governing meridian is a, it's a very important energy reservoir in the body and it connects to all the other meridians. And it's a very easy way to get energy and intention into the meridian system of the body. And so when we're swiping over the governing meridian, we're just putting some intention, which is a form of energy. We're putting that energy and intention into the governing meridian. That energy flows into all the other meridians and it releases and closes the loop on that emotional experience. Cause that's really what we're after. We're closing loops. And when that loop is closed, that experience is done now, maybe after 40 or 50 years,

• 43:48Speaker 01

  right? Or maybe it was inherited from hundreds of years ago. That energy now is gone. That, that loop is closed. And so these, none of us doing this work have ever seen one of these emotions come back. It's a beautiful way to permanently get rid of these. And I like to fix things, you know, permanently. And that's how I've always been.

• 44:05Mindy Pelz?

  And do you, what if you have a situation that you, is traumatic in the moment? Like you know, you're watching the trauma. Can you do the same, like you don't need to test to see what the, what the trauma is or the feeling or the emotion is, but can you just do that like right afterwards? Just swipe that governing?

• 44:24Speaker 01

  You certainly can. Yeah, you certainly can, and that can be helpful. And the last chapter of the book, we talk about how you can live a life without developing emotional baggage.

• 44:33Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  And, and so, yeah, that's part of it is, part of it is just gaining more emotional intelligence and realizing, you know, what your, your choices do, what burying emotions does, you know, how, you know, you can bury an emotion, but it's still there. It's going to come back maybe in 20 or 30 years.

• 44:50Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  And so, and then that brings us really to the heart.

• 44:55Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Um, and we, we want to make sure we talk about that.

• 44:58Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah, I was gonna say, that was gonna be my next question because I brought a, I brought a beautiful woman on a couple of months ago, and we talked, Kimberly Snyder, and we talked about the neurons in the heart. And I thought it was so fascinating to really think about the fact that we have so, more neurons in the heart than we have in the brain. And yet, we're always trying to change, we're trying to approach mental health through the brain. So, but the heart, we have to bring the heart into it. So, explain to me the heart wall and where the heart plays in this.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's see, where to begin? Well, if we go back to the 1960s, when they first started doing heart transplants, it didn't take long before they noticed a strange phenomenon where patients who had had a transplant would come back to the doctor and they would say, you know, weird things are going on. I love baseball suddenly. I didn't care for it before. Or they would say, you know, I used to not really like Chinese food and now I just can't get enough. I don't understand what's going on. Or they would say, you know what, I never cared. I always listened to Top 40. Now, all I can listen to is classical music and there are these certain pieces that I just.

• 46:05Mindy Pelz?

  Crazy.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  It's crazy. Yeah. Or they would say they had, right? They have memories of being in places they never in their life had ever visited. And so, when these people were connected with the family of the heart donors, they would find out, well, yes, our son was a baseball player. That must be why you love baseball. Or, yeah, our daughter visited Rome every year. It was your favorite city in the world. Now, you have memories of being in Rome and you say you've never, ever visited there. So, those must be her memories. Ah, boom, you know, mind blown.

• 46:30Mindy Pelz?

  I've even, just on that point, I, I've read a book called The Heart's Code, and I, in it is a story of a young girl who gets the heart of another child or another, that was murdered. And she actually is able to find the murderer of the person who killed the, the girl that donated her the heart.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. They made, they were able to make composite drawings from her nightmares that she was being murdered. She was seeing the murder. Yeah, absolutely. That's a great story.

• 46:58Mindy Pelz?

  She was the recipient of the heart of the child that was murdered. It's like, wow. That there's not, and then they caught the murder, they caught the killer. It's crazy.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  It really is amazing. The moral of that story is try not to get a heart from someone that was murdered.

• 47:12Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah, careful where you get your heart from. So, but, but it's, but I do think it's really interesting when you, when you, when you look at the power of the heart to hold on to memory like that.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 47:27Mindy Pelz?

  So, so back to the heart wall. Where does the heart wall come in then?

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Well, so here's what happens. If you can recall a time in your life where you felt like your heart was going to break, maybe you'd been going through a breakup, maybe you were really being hurt, or there was something really awful going on. That's a physical sensation. And, and so, yes, the heart is really, we now know, is the second brain. Forty thousand dendrites in there, gray matter, white matter. And the messages between the brain and the heart, most of them are traveling from the heart to the brain. Scientists expected it would be vice versa. No, exactly. Exactly right. Well, so what happens is when you feel like your heart is going to break, the subconscious mind will put up a wall around your heart. It will build a wall, and that wall

• 48:15Speaker 01

  is made of layers of your emotional baggage. And what we find is that about 93% of people have put up this wall. And the amazing thing about it is, we discovered this on my wife, and she was dealing with depression, anxiety. She never really felt like she belonged anywhere with any group she was ever with, until we were able to finally release that last emotion from around her heart, and then things shifted dramatically for her. The next, I have to tell you this story, the next person that we saw. Was a woman that came in to see me for neck pain. It was about a nine on a zero to 10 scale. She'd seen a couple of doctors for it. They hadn't been able to help her. And as I'm talking with her and taking her history, she tells me that she's 38 years old. She's a nurse.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  She's single. She has not dated in eight years. She's never going to date again, ever. She's gonna, she's essentially celibate. She's gonna die single and live a whole life single. And I, I said, why do you, how did you arrive at this? I mean, why do you, why do you want to be alone forever? And she said, eight years before, she was really deeply in love with this guy that dumped her and broke her heart. And that was it. So I tested her and found that sure enough, she had put up this wall, this wall of energy, this heart wall around her heart. And there were three emotions, three emotional energies making up this wall. And they all had to do with the breakup from eight years before. And so I cleared these three emotions. This whole process probably

• 49:38Speaker 01

  took about five minutes. And when I cleared the last emotion, her neck pain, which was a nine, went to zero. Boom, suddenly it was gone. She was so excited. And she left the office and didn't need to come back. But three months later, she walks back in, and I'll always remember this. I saw her in my hallway, and I said, hey, how are you? I remembered her because I'd never met a celibate woman before. And I said, hey, what's going on? How are you? She said, well, my neck has been fine since I was here. But she said, you know what? She said, you cleared that heart wall for me. And that really works. She said, about two weeks after I was here, I found out

• 50:18Speaker 01

  my childhood sweetheart has been living right around the corner from me for almost eight years. And we're dating. And we're in love. I think he's gonna ask me to marry him. And I thought, wow, I thought you were celibate. But this is, it's not unusual.

• 50:35Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah, I mean, and I would say that after just, you know, working with so many people clinically in my practice, and now we get millions of questions and comments on all of our socia's, there you do see a pattern, especially in menopausal women, where there's something else. There's something else there. They're, they're doing all the right things. They're exercising, they're eating, they got on HRT. And there's something else that's going on. And that is what I've been really trying to bring forward in these conversations is what else could there be because we're never out of answers.

• 51:16Mindy Pelz?

  The body is a self-healing regulatory piece of equipment. So why does it keep offering us up these, these emotional and physical symptoms? So is there, I like the idea of like clearing it every day. It is, I'm hoping that people listening to this might look at something they've got going on, whether it's physical or mental in their life right now and say to themselves, okay, I should give this a try to see if this is becomes the, the, the solution. And down to my 89 year old dad just had spinal surgery last week. And I'm thinking, I wonder what trapped emotion might've been in, within his spine.

• 51:59Mindy Pelz?

  And so is, is, is there, you know, is it, do you have to keep, you said, you don't have to keep clearing the emotion, but, but it, is there a continual process that we should be aware of if, once you hear this, is it like every morning, multiple times a, a week? Like, is there something we can do to stay congruent with what our body's perceiving as, as pain?

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, absolutely. And I mean, it's, it's not just pain. What we have found is that, first of all, depression, we've seen suicidal depression completely resolve in a matter of days when the heart wall is taken down. But emotional baggage is the underlying cause of, of things like anxiety and phobias, panic attacks, post-traumatic stress. We've seen cases of PTSD where people were absolutely.

• 52:56Speaker 01

  Completely changed from where they were before after coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq. And we've actually seen women who worked on their own husbands and completely resolved all their PTSD issues within a month or so. We've seen cases like that. But remember also that emotional baggage is a huge cause of physical pain. But also it's a component in all these diseases. And again, talking about, it can definitely make the symptoms of menopause worse. It can make you into a more edgy kind of a person. It can make you definitely not as fun to be around. Or it can make it not as fun to be you.

• 53:36Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah, I mean, we're not having that much fun. Although, once we get to the other side and we start finally tell people what we think because we've been holding it back, that feels like fun. That's a little fun, I'm not gonna lie.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 53:49Mindy Pelz?

  But I really, I'm seeing these patterns of women where this rage and irritability. In fact, irritability is the number one symptom of menopause, not hot flashes. And what I have witnessed is that irritability is not coming from a loss of hormones. It's not even coming from this moment that a lot of women are really irritable and angry about a lot of traumas in their life and the ways in which they were mistreated or ways in which we had to wrap ourselves up to feel worthy and loved. And so I actually believe that it's the number one symptom because women haven't been using their voice. They haven't been speaking out. They haven't been saying what they want to say. So everything is repressed in there.

• 54:34Mindy Pelz?

  Which is why what you're offering here is a very interesting, simple way to release that. Because it's not really fun to walk around angry.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  No, no, no, not at all. Well, and if you think about it, I mean, this method is so simple.

• 54:50Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  But understand that about 93% of people we find have put up this heart wall, right? Because they've been through things and they felt like their heart was gonna break at some point. So the subconscious mind said, hey, we gotta protect the heart. So now there's a wall there, which makes it more difficult to find love, to fall in love, to stay in love. You know, to find your soulmate. Maybe you've found your soulmate, but things aren't going that well. And it may be because there's a wall there, or, you know, he might have a wall. So getting rid of the baggage is a huge step. And one of the things that you can do is the, we have a new book coming out, actually, in December.

• 55:28Mindy Pelz?

  Beautiful.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  That is specifically, it's specifically about this, this concept. It's explained in the heart, or it's explained all, you know, it's all in the Emotion Do book. We have a new book coming out called The Heart Code. It is specifically about this process. And so people can go to, they can go to my personal page at drbradleynelson.com. It's D R B R A D L E Y N A L S O N dot com. And they can, they can preorder these books. And if you, if you preorder 10 books, you actually get a free session. So you can do all your Christmas shopping right now. And it's a great gift for all of your friends. And then you get a free session from a practitioner.

• 56:04Mindy Pelz?

  So yeah, that's beautiful. One last thought I had was I want to go to the ancestral piece of this. Because when I first heard about ancestral trauma, my, my thought was, I got enough trauma in this life to deal with. Now I gotta deal with what my ancestors didn't deal with. This seems like a big deal. And so I was actually having a conversation. I started reading about it and trying to understand it. And so I was having a conversation with my 22 year old son about it. And I said, you know, the one thing I could say is that my grandmother had two alcoholic parents. And the story that I always heard was that she would have to be mindful when she was dating my grandfather to not let him in the house.

• 56:49Mindy Pelz?

  Because her parents were literally passed out on the ground if she opened up the door. And I thought, you know, we tell that story in my family very matter of factly, but that had to be really traumatizing. And then I went, I went on to tell my son that my sister and I seem to have an extreme aversion to any family member getting drunk. We do not like to see our family members so get drunk. It's, is it possible that that is a trigger left over from my grandmother?

• 57:21Mindy Pelz?

  So

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 57:22Mindy Pelz?

  Can you explain?

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Almost without doubt.

• 57:24Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah, and that's what it seemed like because it's just like a real, it's a body visceral reaction. Like, I don't even want to see my family tipsy. So, explain to me, like, where we might be able to connect this to the ancestral piece? And is it in that little chart that you would just muscle test to see if, if that is the case?

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you're, yeah, of course, it's all explained in the emotion code, but basically what happens is, when you're using this chart to track down a trapped emotion, and you're getting yeses and nos, if you're taken to a particular cell, and you can't determine what the emotion is, that's your cue to ask, well, was this inherited?

• 58:02Mindy Pelz?

  Right.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  And it'll be inherited, and then you can figure out what the exact emotion was. And we also figure out the genealogy, because the subconscious mind knows all this. And so it may go back for many generations. And the fascinating thing is, just, just like what you're talking about, that's a perfect example of how, in the present, you're feeling a certain kind of reaction, or a certain sort of trigger to something that may not have even happened in your lifetime.

• 58:28Mindy Pelz?

  Right, right.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Right?

• 58:28Mindy Pelz?

  Yep.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  And that's very typical. In fact, everyone has inherited emotional baggage. We now know what it is. We've been clearing it for a long time. Scientists know about inherited emotional energies, or traumatic inheritance. They found that with animals, animals will somehow pass down these memories, even in lower animals, up to 14 generations, they say. They don't know how it works. They're looking at the DNA under a microscope, trying to figure out how in the world is this done, but it's a quantum phenomenon, see? So, let's say that, let's say a great, great, great grandmother of yours is jilted at the altar. And so, she's got this tremendous betrayal emotion. Well, that may have been passed down the line. And

• 59:14Speaker 01

  so now you may be carrying that. And so now, when you think about getting married, what comes up for you? Well, this anxiety, these feelings, like, I don't think I can do this. And so you may end up staying single your whole life, because of a trauma that was experienced by an ancestor. Or maybe some grandpa was thrown into the poorhouse, and so you have money issues. I mean, this is how it all works. It's crazy, because we don't just carry our own baggage, but theirs too.

• 59:40Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah. I'm a huge fan of evolutionary biology and one of the things that really landed for me was, you know, you've, I'm sure you've heard of that study where they took mice and then they sprayed cherry blossoms into-

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Cherry blossom, absolutely.

• 59:54Mindy Pelz?

  Into the mouse cage and tortured them at the same time, which is horrible. But four generations down, anytime there would be cherry blossom smell, that mouse would have a cortisol reaction. And they believe that it's because it's an evolutionary signal that changes within you to warn future generations about the danger that they went through.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:00:19Mindy Pelz?

  And to me, that makes sense.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's exactly, that's exactly right. I mean, there was a book recently, probably more than one, about the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, right?

• 1:00:29Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  And how, you know, they're, they're different from other people because of what the grandparents went through. So yeah, it's very interesting.

• 1:00:36Mindy Pelz?

  Fascinating.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  But we, we now know it's just, it's just inherited emotional baggage. It's a quantum phenomenon. We can release those emotions and be free of them. And the crazy thing is, according to the subconscious mind of everybody that we've ever tested, it releases, that energy also releases from those ancestors, apparently. So whatever you believe about where people go after they die, they're apparently, they still carry their baggage with them.

• 1:00:58Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah. You know, my grandma died at 89 and I'm, and I was getting really into mindset work before she died. And I said something to her about her emotional baggage. I'm like, don't you want to clear that before you go? And she's like, peace out. I'm done. And we didn't have language around emotional trauma or ancestral trauma at that point. I, and she was like, no, I've done enough work in my life. So. This has been great. And I really, I really appreciate what you're bringing forward. I think that the wave of healthcare is really going in the direction of a more holistic approach. And this is a key piece. So where do people find you, the book, your practitioners? If they want to go actually find someone to work with?

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have practitioners all over the world. They can go to discoverhealing.com.

• 1:01:47Mindy Pelz?

  Okay.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  And of course, the Motion Code book and our other books are available on Amazon and so on. If you want to get a special deal and you want to do your shopping early and get a free session, you can go to drbradleynelson.com.

• 1:01:58Mindy Pelz?

  Amazing. Well, Dr. Bradley, I really appreciate this and I'm going to get the book. I'm going to go work on myself and I'll report back.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:02:07Mindy Pelz?

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:02:09Mindy Pelz?

  Thank you so much for joining me in today's episode. I love bringing thoughtful discussions about all things health to you. If you enjoyed it, we'd love to know about it. So please leave us a review, share it with your friends and let me know what your biggest takeaway is.