Bentley Auction; SL63 AMG Review; Q&A!

We broadcast during the final minutes of the Bentley Turbo R auction! If it hits a certain number it will have been a SMARTER FINANCIAL DECISION than leasing a boring EV for a year! Then we review the new 2025 Mercedes SL63s AMG E-Hybrid, a car with the torque to haul but no space to carry. Matt tells us about his glimpse at the future of Willow Springs Raceway, and we answer Patreon questions about: Buy a car from a new country. What would we trade the Bentley for? Why we keep our tow vehicles boring. Is a Boxster depreciation-proof? Different reactions at car shows How to get more power from a Miata When to charge your EV to 100% vs 80% What free car would we turn down because of the maintenance costs? How do you choose a career? Best V10 experience under $100k? Best Bentley feature? 2014 Mustang GT with mods vs 2015 Mustang GT (IRS) Crush/Daily/Track: Jaguar C-Type vs BMW 507 vs Toyota 2000GT Recorded March 12, 2025 To listen to DRIVE with Jim Farley, just search for “DRIVE with Jim Farley” in your podcast app. https://www.youtube.com/@Jim. Farley Get TWENTY PERCENT off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! Enter code TST25 for a 10% discount on your first case on the Off The Record app, or go to http://www.offtherecord.com/TST. #cars #comedy #podcast Tweet at us! https://www. Twitter.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Twitter.com/zackklapman Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 1:29Matt Farah?

  Turbo R at No Reserve on Cars and Bids. Will I get hosed, or will I make bank? We're going to find out today. Plus, Zach and I review the Mercedes SL63 Hybrid, and I went out to Willow Springs to see what the hell the new owners are really doing out there. Plus, take a quick spin in two classic 911s reimagined by Singer, their classic air-cooled 4-liter, and their new turbo study project, and I tell you all about them today on this here episode of the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go!

• 2:07Matt Farah?

  Hello and welcome. It's that day. It's the day we find out if I lose money or make money. Right? It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. It's Bentley selling day. No reserve. Cars in bids. Front page. This was a good one. We did it. We pulled out all the stops to get as many eyeballs as possible on the Bentley auction. And there was a little bit of criticism and this isn't going to be like an attack of haters thing, but there was some criticism that the amount of eyeballs that I could get on this car is not representative of what a regular person can do.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  To which I say, the game wasn't can a regular person do this? The game was we're playing with house money and so what can I do? Can I do this? Sorry.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 3:03Matt Farah?

  Not every, you know what I mean? I can't like, I can't undo the meanness of me. Like we could be Consumer Reports and like anonymously buy cars and test them if that was the gig, but like that's not the gig. And like who wouldn't take advantage of getting eyeballs onto a cool thing that they're selling?

• 3:24Speaker 01

  This is our version of the swag bag you get at the Oscars. If you get invited, you get an iPad or whatever, you know, you get all, you get free things.

• 3:32Matt Farah?

  So. Well, like, and we're not trying to like, I'm not trying to like move the market, but like, I think this is a good example of like, I mean, I guess you could call it a best case scenario, right? A car that's like, not a barn find, but like one owner and like on its way to being a barn find and rescued just in time before it really started to go to shit and then just gone through with reckless abandon because with a turbo R, you have two kinds of cars. You have low mile cars that look great and need 40 grand in work and you have high mile cars that look okay, but probably run awesome.

• 4:12Matt Farah?

  I saw Donnie the other day, his Turbo R on the day I saw him hit a hundred thousand miles.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  And it looks, dude, it looks really good. Like, it's a really nice, clean, good car. I mean, he'd probably get, I don't know, twenty-five to thirty for it, right? Um, but with this, it's like, we bought the right car, we did all the things, we then did like, the super duper duper detail.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Twice.

• 4:39Matt Farah?

  Well, once when we bought it a year ago, and then once, and then we redid the in- the interior detail, because I wasn't happy with it. And then we had Jonathan Harper shoot the photos, which is great, get a great photographer, you know? And then, you know, uh, I don't think, I think, I don't think Doug would have also made a video of just any car. I mean, if I said, "Hey Doug, I'm gonna go, I wanna sell, uh, the NSX," for instance, like, he probably wouldn't have made a video of it. But this one was interesting to him, so, okay.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, the concept is interesting. I mean, I think the math versus a leased car is very interesting.

• 5:13Matt Farah?

  For sure. And he didn't make a video because it was me. Yes, I had a fast track, but like, he makes videos of lots of cars that don't belong to me, and he doesn't make videos of lots of cars that I own, so. But the numbers on the auction were wild. I mean, just scroll down, we don't have to necessarily, uh, just the eyeballs, if you, if you scroll down on the auction page, uh, with thirty-two minutes left to go, and this is no reserve, so it's selling, keep going, it's gonna show like metrics, keep going, it's right above the comments thing. One more, one more, there. Forty-seven thousand eyeballs on an auction page is pretty stout.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 5:50Matt Farah?

  For a car that is, you know.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  For an old Bentley. That, yeah, I'd like to see some comps to other listings. But that's why, you know, we've made four videos about this thing, right?

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for what was essentially my wife's daily driver for, for a year, you know, it was, it's not like it's, you know, a Miura or something.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  No, but this-

• 6:10Matt Farah?

  It's a good story.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  This actually might get more attention than a Mura. Like, if you guys owned a Mura, I think the audience in general is more interested in, can I ball on a budget?

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Than can I daily a $2 million Mura?

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  I agree, and this car, I just think, is captivating because it is the kind of car that I think, like, it's like itching to move into ironic cool. Like, people want it, you want it to be the kind of car that, like, Gen Z hipsters are driving in. You know what I mean?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Like when Volvo, Boxer Volvo's got ironic cool.

• 6:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  But this, I think this is genuinely cool.

• 6:49Matt Farah?

  It's also genuinely cool.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  It'll take a while to get to ironic cool.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  It's genuinely cool for a certain type of buyer. It's ironically cool for another, younger type of buyer. If you're under 35, you're buying this, like, kind of as a bit.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Right, because you weren't alive when rappers were driving these.

• 7:08Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  You're like, I heard people used to like these things.

• 7:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so, so, when, when, you know, old, rich grandparents and rappers and criminals were driving these things, go down. The internet's gonna, what if the internet ends before this auction ends? Like, fuck! We'll never know! It'll be the last episode of The Sopranos where it just goes black. The timer gets down to 10 seconds, and then all of the internet turns off. And you'll never know. And my car will just be that thing that is talked about for millennia, that was the thing that no one found out the answer to the day the internet turned off. I think Tony Soprano died, by the way. And so does David Chase.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  What?

• 7:51Matt Farah?

  Sidebar, just discussing the ending of The Sopranos. Which I'm sure you're, like, well-versed in.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  I've watched the season once, so I don't remember it all.

• 7:58Matt Farah?

  The ending was very controversial, because it was a massive, dramatic buildup.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:04Matt Farah?

  Set to "Don't Stop Believin'."

• 8:06Speaker 01

  And then it just kind of, like...

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  And then it goes to black. Like, not even, like, at a, on beat. Like, it goes to black, like, off beat.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  It left it very open-ended, right?

• 8:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, but I, but, the implication is that Tony and possibly his entire family are murdered.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Now, do you think that's a fun trick that authors, screenwriters and stuff do, where they go, "Ooh, it's up to you"? Or is it lazy?

• 8:27Matt Farah?

  I think if you, I think if you watch the documentary on David Chase, who's the creator of The Sopranos, it's pretty interesting and good. And he implies that it's not that much, quote, "up to you." That he sets the stage for Tony being murdered in the diner.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  He thinks he left a lot of breadcrumbs for...

• 8:45Matt Farah?

  He pretty much, kind of implies that.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. He never outright says it, but it's not as, it's designed to point you at him being murdered without having to show it. Versus, you know, the gore of like, a whole family being assassinated in the last episode of a show. So anyway, things are moving along and we've got 28 minutes to go. So we can talk about other things in the meantime. I went out to Willow Springs yesterday. Guys, support for The Smoking Tire comes from the podcast Drive with Jim Farley. You know Jim Farley, he's the CEO of Ford.

• 9:29Matt Farah?

  Not only that, this guy has a GT40 and a Cobra and all kinds of amazing vintage American metal that he races wheel to wheel at places like Goodwood. He's a boss and you gotta check out this show. It's where Jim talks to some of his favorite people about what they drive and what drives them to succeed. They just started season three with some sick new guests, including Vicky Butler Henderson, the British racing driver and fifth gear personality, Randy Nonnenberg from Bring a Trailer, and T-Pain, the musician turned drifter. Guy's got skills, actually. I listened, I listened to it the other day. It is great. Jim is a great interviewer, he's insightful, and it's interesting hearing these folks open up to him. I really am about it.

• 10:13Matt Farah?

  I support Jim's venture here. To listen to Drive with Jim Farley, just search "Drive with Jim Farley" in any podcast app. That's Drive with Jim Farley. And thank you for supporting this episode.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 10:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, it was raining all day.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  I know.

• 10:31Matt Farah?

  And, uh...

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm jealous, you drove two Singers, you dick.

• 10:35Matt Farah?

  I did, I did. I drove the classic one, and they were quick goes. I did, I did basically three, um...

• 10:47Matt Farah?

  I don't even wanna call them really like laps at speed cuz they were borrowed Singers on a wet track, you know, with no like, it was basically, I was there for a photo shoot and all these cars were there and, and someone said, you know, would you like to have a go in between takes and so I was not about to say no to driving the new, um, the Turbo Study, which is the new car from Singer, um, but I first got to have a go in that orange Classic, which was like their sort of press car and like long-term development car. Mm-hmm. Um, and, and, uh, you know, the Classic, what was really nice about that is it's, there's a, there it is, and there's a photo of it, uh, up there, it's, it's the orange one, you've

• 11:31Matt Farah?

  probably seen it, um, it's the most, probably the most photographed, um, Singer coupe that there is, um, it was so, it was very, very lovely to drive, it had some small ass seats in it that I didn't fit in so good, but, um, it, it felt, um, like a, just a really nicely made hot rod old 911, which I think is a great thing, it, the engine was incredibly smooth, you know, it's a four liter, uh, uh, motor, um, and it, and it, it had, it had great power, uh, and it was really nice and you could, you pretty much could drive it every day, I had a really good ride, it was, it was clearly set to like soft, um,

• 12:12Matt Farah?

  and because it was wet, I mean, and it was not, I was not pushing, I was probably going, I mean, like, if, if it was 60%, it was a lot, um, cuz the other car, the Oslo Blue Turbo Study, had 310 miles on it, um, belongs to a friend of mine, customer car, very nice of him to say, uh, that I could have a go, and this thing is wild.

• 12:40Matt Farah?

  By far the most interesting thing about this car is how much it doesn't feel like you started with another car at all. Like, you know, like, almost every, I mean, every, pretty much, like Gunther, um, uh, the, the, the Italian stuff, the Lancia-based stuff, like, you can always tell that they started with a car and they took it apart and they rebuilt it, like, way better, but there's always just some, like, little hints that they had started with a car and took it apart, you know what I mean? There's, there's, there's always something left.

• 13:23Matt Farah?

  I've never seen any, quote, "resto-modded" car at any price point of any type where there was so much nothing left, but it so well captured the essence of what you loved about the original thing without, like, going overboard. Like, you know how it's like-

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's well put.

• 13:45Matt Farah?

  You know, like, a technician knows how to do something and an artist knows when to stop? It's like that. You know, it's like, they, they knew the exact right place to stop everything. And so, like, "Is it faster than the Gunther Turbo?" Like, uh, no, I don't think so. I think, I mean, in terms of, like, granted, wet, and I was driving it with, with all the systems, like, still on. It has, like, modern, like, like, co-engineered, like, Bosch traction control and, and motorsport-grade ABS and all kinds of stuff that you, that has multiple settings allowing you to dial it back to zero. Again, we're talking about, look at this, still, that plastic on the seat has never come off that seat.

• 14:26Matt Farah?

  It's a three, this is a 300-mile car, so I was not fucking around in this thing. Um, it was literally just have a quick go, just to get a feel for what it's about. When you got in it- You, I mean Zach's been there, um, and I don't know how many people out there have been there, some of you have. The smell of a brand new Porsche, or any brand new, it could be a brand new Aston Martin, could be a brand new, you know, uh, whatever, like a super high-end six-figure car, brand new. You first, the smell when you get in it, that's an unmistakable new car smell. Resto mods don't typically have the smell.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 15:06Matt Farah?

  This does, and I got fucking, I got in the car, I was like, and I'm looking around and I'm like sniffing and like touching stuff and I'm like, everything is new, like, like,

• 15:18Speaker 01

  They make everything.

• 15:19Matt Farah?

  Factory level, like that door card could have come from Porsche, like this must, I, I know why this shit like this drives Porsche nuts. Porsche would fucking love to be able to build this car. Proyninger, if one day, if he woke up tomorrow and he could build this car, he'd fucking wake up with a boner the size of this fucking camera stand right here.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Right, you had blank check, open team, no restrictions.

• 15:42Matt Farah?

  No restrictions, I mean, none of that, this is that, this is if, like, literally, today's Porsche was allowed to build yesterday's car, that's what it feels like, and I'm like, oh.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  I wonder if they buy this, the Porsche glue, like, out the back door, and that's how they get the smell right or something.

• 16:01Matt Farah?

  It's so cra- uh, no one else is getting anywhere close to this. And the Gunther's a different thing, the Gunther is like such a lunacy hot rod, this is, this is a, this is a daily, this is a daily driver car for somebody. It, like, the ride, the clutch, like,

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Well, it was like the roof you drove, not, you know, similar execution, but what was so noticeable about the roof for me was, you could drive it every day, it felt comfortable, it felt soft enough, it felt easy enough, but also was exciting and, you know, stunning.

• 16:32Matt Farah?

  It was like the roof in some ways, where you go, this looks old, but the engine feels so modern, you know, uh, and, and the, the Gunther engine is insane, like insane insane, but doesn't feel modern, it feels like an insane old- Old school engine, you know, like when you start it like it sounds like old air cooled stuff. This engine, when you start it, it sounds like a current like Carrera GTS. It like it's air cooled, but it doesn't sound like a traditional air cooled engine. It sounds much more like a modern, which is like a totally different thing.

• 17:10Matt Farah?

  And it's like it's power band is like the three liter Carrera based engine power band like it's it. There's more. Um, and it's light, but uh, just, just quite a treat of fucking. Really, really nice thing. I, I kind of like. They're so expensive. I just like this is, this is way out of fucking my league, but it, but I Maz two years ago was like, I can get you one. The deposit is this much. And I, I was like, I don't know. It seems like, and now I drove it. I was like, ooh, god damn it. That's fucking I there's, it still would have been like sell basically everything else, but like.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  And a few years ago, you know, I mean, they were under a million dollars, right? And, and like, and that's not affordable to most people, including myself.

• 17:56Matt Farah?

  It's not affordable.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  They've like doubled at least.

• 18:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And you understand why, like you literally is not type possible to buy that type of experience. From any current mass production car.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good uh, way to put it. Cause I am this week. I'm driving this crazy 1970 Chevelle from Iron Works. Yeah.

• 18:17Matt Farah?

  It's downstairs. I didn't go downstairs.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  And it's, I, it's very nice. I didn't drive it in the rain yet, but it's a very.

• 18:23Matt Farah?

  It's three days of rain.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Like a big blower and stuff. Uh, the timing is bad. Um, you know, but they execute things to a high level, but my comparison is going to be Singer. And when you get in the Chevelle, you, a lot of it is hand milled made, but there are things you go, that's left over.

• 18:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's always something and I'll, I'm going to call it out in the Gunther. It's the nine nine three air vents. And also the HVAC behind it because when I could, there was an audible whirring from the system like there was something in there, like they hadn't been fully, fully restored and redone. Like, there's always, there's always something, even when the car's like a million dollars. So like, I was, I mean, and I'm sure if you, an expert could probably point out one or two things that are left, but like, I looked over this thing for quite a long time and I couldn't find anything.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  I mean, look, their motto is everything's important, right?

• 19:17Matt Farah?

  We're distracted, but let's just make sure. Oh, still holding, 19 minutes remaining. Yeah.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Now, do you want to do the math on this now or do you want to wait till the end end?

• 19:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, I can say what the math is.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Cause you're already in a good spot.

• 19:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the last time we did this, which was when I sold my DeLorean, right? It was real close. The thing got, they, they had convinced me to settle pretty low reserve. It got to the reserve and then it stayed there for like six days.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:48Matt Farah?

  And then, and the reserve was like 40 grand or something and I was into the car for maybe 48. And, uh, you know, at the last second, the bidding went crazy and ended at like 57 and change and it was a huge, very exciting moment, but it was very stressful. Uh, the game that we made up for the Bentley was, can we drive the Bentley, all, all total expenses in? Now, I didn't include the costs associated with the sale, right? Like, the detailing and the photography and things like that, those were not taken into account.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  I was gonna ask, did you, now, do you include the first detail when you, uh, did paint correction and stuff?

• 20:29Matt Farah?

  Not, no, because, because people who worked for me at the shop did it. I mean, any, in any car I owned, didn't matter, what, if it was the Mach-E, the Mach-E got corrected by Derek twice. A car that's corrected by Derek twice is unusual for most people, but not for me.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 20:46Matt Farah?

  Um, typically if we have someone drop out of an appointment at the last minute, Derek's too expensive to cancel on, and so I usually just have him do one of my cars. I'm not gonna miss out on it. So, it, it, that is a, is not unique to this car. It's unique to me, but like, okay. Um, so anyway. It costs about $10,000 all in to lease a mid-size EV for a year. Or at least it did a couple of years ago when I did it. It's a little cheaper now, okay? But when I did it, that's how much it cost. So obviously, that's how much I was comfortable spending on a daily driver car for a year, which is shared between my wife and I. We don't have our own daily drivers.

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  So I thought, you know, when we found this Bentley, because it lived right up the road from me, we walked by and we thought about, do we want this? And everyone said, if you want to buy this car, you better drive it every day. And we thought of a game. Can we drive this car every day for less than I spent on a Mach-E? So I put, car cost $20,000. I then put $23,000 into it over the course of the year. And then, insurance, which now I would have had to get insurance for both cars, but this car, because it's classic insurance, was actually cheaper.

• 22:12Matt Farah?

  The Mach-E was more to insure than this. The Taycan is way more. The Taycan is almost triple to insure for a year what the Bentley was. So, all in, if I, if I sell the car...

• 22:28Speaker 01

  You spend less than 10.

• 22:30Matt Farah?

  Correct. The game, the game wins. Okay, so, so, car plus servicing got me to 43. So when we crossed 33, that, that meant we were within the 10. So we had officially won the game that I completely made up and means almost nothing. If we get to, if we got to 35, then we can also count the insurance and the fuel. Okay, so I can, I can, alright, great. If it gets to 45, which it may do, I will not only have made a full-on, all-in net profit on the car, which for a Turbo R is insanity,

• 23:15Matt Farah?

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• 25:26Matt Farah?

  Now, back to the show. Because I assume that as these cars were depreciating, one sold at auction for 160 grand.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:36Matt Farah?

  When it was 240 new, right? So, we're talking about on the bounce.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  You think it's on the bottom.

• 25:41Matt Farah?

  They went, they hit the bottom and now maybe back up.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Have you seen any comps to your car, condition and such?

• 25:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, not exactly. There are no comps on the market for it right now. But, if you go into the comments of this auction, which we don't need to do, but people at home can do, um, there are a lot of people who claim to be owners and experts, who have essentially cosigned on to this one as either saying things like, "This is the one to buy, buy with, bid with confidence," you know, things like that.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, okay.

• 26:16Matt Farah?

  And so, it would be crazy if I could, if we could, because, and also like, if we decided to keep it another year, the math would be amazing.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Unless it costs another 20, if it's 20 per year.

• 26:30Matt Farah?

  That would be wild. I don't think it would. I don't think it would.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Like, hardware breaks once usually.

• 26:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  And then some of this shit's good for like 30,000 more miles.

• 26:38Matt Farah?

  Dude, so much of this stuff was like what you might call once in a lifetime.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Well, like the window regulators, they hadn't broken.

• 26:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  And then they broke once.

• 26:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, all of them broke once, 30 years after the car was new, and that was 2,500 bucks for all those. We, I had to replace the air conditioning compressor, like that's 1,800 bucks, like the next person ain't doing that. It's like, that's a 30-year, you know, part. Um, so there's a lot of that kind of stuff. The, the insanely expensive, uh, uh, not the seat motors, the seat brains, the ECUs for the seats, those, those are like 2 grand a pop and I had to buy both of them. Uh, those are not going back.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  So someone just asked a very good question, shout out Tyler, which is, uh, is it worth owning an aging car that was constantly in the shop as a daily versus the new EV? So, do we factor in the emotional or mental load or the time down?

• 27:32Matt Farah?

  Ford had to go to the dealer a bunch too. I think if I did, if I did a number of days in first year, If I did number of days down in first year of ownership, I think the Ford might have been down more than the Bentley.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Now that to, yes, fair. Also, to be fair, that was like first year Mach-E.

• 27:49Matt Farah?

  A hundred percent.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  They're probably a little more reliable now.

• 27:51Matt Farah?

  They're better, they're better now. But, but in my experience, if you want to talk about my experience, the number of days, I call it a wash and that's a favorite of the Ford.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  That's true. I think we're, we're talking about if you were gonna rent, or sorry, lease a new EV. So hopefully we wouldn't have problems. But I guess we don't know.

• 28:07Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Depends on which EV you got.

• 28:08Matt Farah?

  Dude, you don't know. I mean, new car, new cars break all the time. I mean, you, what you get, what you get is the knowledge of, I'm not gonna have to pay to fix that. You know, it, the car may be down, but at least, at least I can, you know, not, not have to lay out an unknown amount of money.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:25Matt Farah?

  For whatever the fuck, you know?

• 28:27Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 28:28Matt Farah?

  So it's, it's, and also like with, you know, with a turbo R or any old specialty car, you have to either be pretty handy, or have a pretty good relationship with someone who really does know what they're doing. Cause there's not, the people who know what they're doing on old Bentleys and Rolls, like, there's like five of them. They really know what they're doing. And there's a hundred other people that are gonna make shit worse.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, it's, it's a niche market anyway. And then finding, finding good help within any car market is tough. You know what I mean? How many Bentley repair shops, or sorry, BMW repair shops are there in SoCal?

• 29:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Hundreds probably, cause there's a lot of those cars here. But finding good ones is a subset.

• 29:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Of Bentley, you know, the selection's even smaller.

• 29:10Matt Farah?

  Um, leave this page up, cause we're getting to the end, but just to finish off on the thing, you know, the, the, the Singer Vehicle Design stuff, everyone knows it's amazing. But this turbo study car, it's, it's, it's a, it's, it's, we're out of resto mod now. It's a different, it's-

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's a new, it's a body in white situation.

• 29:30Matt Farah?

  It's a new car.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Basically.

• 29:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, it's on the, it's a, it's, it's on the level, I think, in a lot of ways of what Roof is doing. Not necessarily with the carbon tub, but like, if Roof gets a VIN number, like, mm, you know, we're sort of in that same realm over here.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  I would, I would, I would agree with- That five years ago, when when Singer came out and I saw what they were doing and how much attention was literally paid to every single thing you can see. And things you can't, I went, that's a different league.

• 29:59Matt Farah?

  But driving them back to back, you go, oh, yeah, this is fucking, yeah, what's up? But, um, you know, also, the reason I was at Willow Springs was for a photo shoot, but I met with the people who bought the track. Um, who I do, I do know, I knew them before and I know them now. Um, and they showed me, I can't say what, what they showed me, but they did, they showed me renderings. Um, they're not, you know, city approved plans yet, they're just, they're the renderings.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  The dream.

• 30:27Matt Farah?

  They're the dream, but, but, but, but in my opinion, extremely grounded in reality.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, they're not gonna render these things.

• 30:34Matt Farah?

  No, extremely grounded in reality, but like, but like, dude, wow. Like, this is go, it's going to be extremely sick.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Nice, cool.

• 30:45Matt Farah?

  The, the, it's, it's, what they showed me, uh, from logistically, aesthetically, from a use of space. I was extremely impressed.

• 30:59Matt Farah?

  And it's not just going, you know, gonna be a thing that's just, that's, that's, you know, walled off for, for billionaires. That's not the idea. Um, the idea is that it's representative of the larger Southern California car community. And so there's like, there's, there's gonna be something for pretty much everybody. It's really, really, really cool. I'm very, very excited. Um, I also got to lap the Hudson Hornet.

• 31:27Matt Farah?

  It's my friend, the guy, my friend who owns, um, the, the, the, the turbo, among other things, has this, has this, uh, Hudson Hornet NASCAR.

• 31:40Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Like a fifty-two?

• 31:42Matt Farah?

  I, I don't even, I honestly, I'm a little embarrassed. I don't know anything about it and it lives here. It's, it lives downstairs. But it sounds great. It's got, you know, four on the floor. And it's clearly a NASCAR. The gearbox is heinous. You cannot find gears for anything. But it looks so cool. And if they can sort out the shifter linkage a little better, it's exactly the kind of car I'd like to roll around fucking Car Weekend. You know, like, it's, it's for a car of its age, it's like reasonably quick. Interior's just gorgeous.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  There was a pair of Hornets that won the 1951 Daytona 500.

• 32:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Like as a team.

• 32:27Matt Farah?

  I don't, I, I don't know, uh, we, I don't really know the history of this particular one, just that it was a NASCAR and it's rad.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  But it probably, would it make like, I don't know, 220 horsepower?

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  Maybe, yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  What engine's in it?

• 32:41Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I don't know anything.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Was it loud or quiet?

• 32:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, not that loud.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:45Matt Farah?

  Not that loud. Yeah, no. It, it sounded healthy, um, but not loud. No, I couldn't, I could tell you very little about this car, dude. I don't know. But someone, someone was just like, hey, man, you want to take a lap in the Hudson? And I looked at it, I was like, uh huh, yep, absolutely.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a 1952. I'm proud of myself for guessing that.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Engine, wow, no information on the engine, but that car is on this Wikipedia page.

• 33:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 33:08Speaker 01

  It's got a little bit of clout because it used to be somewhere.

• 33:12Matt Farah?

  Nice.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  It used to be at the Ypsilanti Automotive Museum.

• 33:16Matt Farah?

  Uh, cool. That's good times. Um, but, uh, and on the way home, uh, we've hit 30,000 miles on the Taycan. So bought it at 26,4.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  And now we're at 30.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Wow, yeah.

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  Getting, getting her done.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Country, basically.

• 33:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's a good thing the wheels are coming along because I'm actually gonna need new tires soon.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Speaking of impressive mileage, total tangent, but Vintra hit 12,000 miles on his Ferrari 360 in a year.

• 33:40Matt Farah?

  He, he personally did 12,000 miles in a year?

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:43Matt Farah?

  Good for him.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:45Matt Farah?

  Seven minutes left in the auction and we're stalled at thirty six. I mean dude, there's a bunch of people watching this one. There's gotta be. It's gotta be people gonna dive in.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Thirty seven, thirty seven.

• 33:56Matt Farah?

  I'm not mad. Look, I would, I'd happily sell it at that and, and, and if you asked me what I thought it would get when we started this process, I said I'd be happy at thirty five. And I said, and I said, I would not be mad about numbers, a number with a three. So if we get something with a four.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:13Matt Farah?

  I'm super stoked.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  But you're already in the black, which is great.

• 34:17Matt Farah?

  Well, no, no, I'm not in the black. I've just won my own game.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Right. Compared to the EV thing.

• 34:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I've lost an amount of money that I'm comfortable with.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  You've lost less money than you would have if you leased a car.

• 34:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, totally. Totally.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  At least if you'd leased a Mach-E based on past prices.

• 34:31Matt Farah?

  There are a bunch of new comments. It was, it was one oh seven a minute ago. Scroll down. Let's see if any of these are, uh. Anything, anything needs to be answered. Okay. Uh, uh, uh, time, uh, what do I think it'll be worth in 20 years? I think if it's kept in this condition. While other cars disintegrate around it. Um, you know, if you did 2,000 miles a year for 20 years. You know, this would then have 64,000 miles on it, which is not a ton for one of these cars. And if you kept it up, I think it would still. Uh, I think it would still be very valuable.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Um.

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for sure. Cars, I like this one. Steve, uh, Steve Struss. It'll be worth even more after it's presented at Pebble Beach. In the Cars of Youtubers class of 2065. That is funny and awesome. I would really like that.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  They should have that class, or at least Radwood would have that class.

• 35:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. Are people saying that I, that I should be more in the comments and less on the podcast?

• 35:39Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. Some people, someone just added, people should ask their questions, uh, on Cars and Bids. If it's about the auction, not in the podcast chat, which I reinforced and posted.

• 35:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but this, this thing's also been up for a week. If you've had serious questions about this car, you should have asked them before. Five minutes. I understand how people are. People are watching cars. You know, they go to carsandbids.com and they see a car that's ending soon and they see maybe it's at a price that. They want to go in on and all of a sudden they're playing a little catch up, but.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  The MSRP was nearly twice what the Countaches was.

• 36:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was more. No, the My Countach MSRP was 107 in 1987. And this was 241 in 1991.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  Is there a Bentley you can buy today new that costs more than like the Revuelto? I don't think there is. Unless you go super custom Mulliner stuff.

• 36:37Matt Farah?

  I guess the Brooklyn's line is dead. That was the highest end line, right?

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:42Matt Farah?

  I think, well, the Flying Spur Speed Hybrid is like 400. You can get up to like maybe 450, which is about what this car is adjusted for inflation.

• 36:59Matt Farah?

  And you get an awful lot more.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  But the Revuelto was 700, right?

• 37:03Matt Farah?

  Yes. Oh, compared to Lambos.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  I'm sorry. So if I'm comparing to flagship Lambo.

• 37:07Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  If you compare to Huracan, but at the time, the Countach was the flagship Lambo.

• 37:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  So.

• 37:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and actually, it's kind of funny. In hindsight, it seems underpriced, actually, the Countach. Like, in what universe is this Bentley twice the car of Countach? Like, that's crazy.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  It's made better. It has twice the seats, twice the doors.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  Twice the ashtrays.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Twice the ashtrays.

• 37:30Matt Farah?

  No, it has five times the number of ashtrays.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Because it has six.

• 37:34Matt Farah?

  The Countach has one, the Bentley has five. Yeah. None of which have ever been used. Do you know how much fucking restraint I had for a year to not fucking rip a Cuban in that car? And use the ashtray?

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Why didn't you do it?

• 37:47Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  That smell would go away in like a day.

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  I know. I just, I never got, all the, none of the ashtrays had ever been used. And I was like, it's only, it's only mint, you know, or the cigarette lighters. I was like, they're only brand new.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  I wouldn't use a cigarette lighter because stuff could stick to that. But the ashtray, can you take it out and wash it?

• 38:05Matt Farah?

  I mean, probably. I probably could have. It was a missed opportunity.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:08Matt Farah?

  One of the happiest car people I've ever seen in my life is a character I saw around Malibu on Sundays. Driving his Alpha GTV. It was like an older dude with like, kind of that, sort of Al Pacino, not like slicked, but like, you know, sort of a two, three-quarter length do.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Brushed back.

• 38:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, brushed back. Roll around in this GTV with a fucking 18-inch stogie. And would just do the whole canyon at half pace.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  A lot of tobacco.

• 38:38Matt Farah?

  When he would park at the top of the snake, his whole interior was like a ashtray, dude. It was so... But he was the happiest person I ever saw.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:47Matt Farah?

  It seemed like he bought that car to be an ashtray. Which I support.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  18 inches of cigar over and over again, yeah.

• 38:54Matt Farah?

  But like, but like, you know, an I-don't-give-a-fuck GTV that's just your ashtray that runs great? I mean, talk about a tool for happiness.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  That's someone who's just like, this is a car, I use it as a car.

• 39:05Matt Farah?

  We're getting down to two minutes and there's no bids? Dude, either, either we were all very optimistic about what this car is actually worth? And, and I got hyped up about it going over 40, or it's about to get hot, hot, hot. What do you think?

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Uh, I think you'll get a tiny nudge, but I would be shocked if it goes over 38.5.

• 39:27Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  That's what I think.

• 39:29Matt Farah?

  The, uh, the employee gambling at West Side Collector Car Storage.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  They have an over-under happening?

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  The, uh, it's Price is Right rules, but the bets are like real optimistic. They're all like 50, 60. I don't think they watch the market very well.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  They probably don't. And they won't get you excited.

• 39:46Matt Farah?

  But scroll back up. Is someone gonna get in the game, or what?

• 39:49Speaker 01

  So 36.5, 36.5.

• 39:52Matt Farah?

  That's so weird. Seven, oh, so it's increments at 250. There we go. Someone's in. So there is, there is somebody, there is somebody watching.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Number of bids, 26 number of bids total.

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  If we set the record... You know, this is company money. So you're, you are part of the company. You're invested in this. This money goes back into the company.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we've talked about this. It goes to you, because this is your project.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  But it, right, because your percentage of the profits were already paid out last year. But nevertheless, the money goes back into the company.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Look, I want it to do as well as possible.

• 40:25Matt Farah?

  If we have a record... Yeah, if we have a real, if this goes really well.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  37,000.

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  Which it might. Then we're gonna have a real nice steak dinner. Steak forty-eight with a fucking...

• 40:39Speaker 01

  But how will we get there?

• 40:39Matt Farah?

  Do you know what the size of a wine bottle is bigger than a magnum?

• 40:44Speaker 01

  I don't know it offhand, but I know there are many gradients.

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  A Nebuchadnezzar is the three-liter?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they get bigger from that.

• 40:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, come on. Someone get in the game. Not that I'm not happy with thirty-seven K, but I thought this was gonna be an exciting bit of radio. Okay.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Thirty-seven five.

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  Thirty-seven five.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Someone jumped it up.

• 40:59Matt Farah?

  I swear, I'd rather have thirty minutes of great... This is like, kinda fucked up. I know the value of money, okay? And I want as much money as we can get. But I'd rather have twenty minutes of great radio right now than just have this die at a number I'm happy with after one bit.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Oh, but you... Now, if it had been at twenty and then got to thirty-seven right now, you'd be ecstatic.

• 41:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, but if it started at thirty-five this morning and if it gets to forty-five, I'm gonna be ecstatic, but like...

• 41:29Speaker 01

  You need an increase during the show. That's what it really is, right?

• 41:31Matt Farah?

  This is why television's scripted.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, 'cause you never know. Thirty-seven, seven...

• 41:35Matt Farah?

  Thirty-seven, seven fifty. Okay. Any comments need responding to?

• 41:38Speaker 01

  I think we got two people going back and forth now.

• 41:41Matt Farah?

  Keep going, keep going. Issue is...

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Oh, here we go.

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  Issue is servicing car if you don't live in... Oh, we got four people in the game. Okay. Uh, go down. How... The Connor... The Connor's MILFy? How many times is an old timer giving you a thumbs up or a smile at a traffic light or gas station? That's what's really funny. It's young people that do that. Old people don't really notice the car so much. Young people are shockingly responsive to it and are like, "You know what's up," which I really like. Uh, Runo Nagamara, I'm sorry. Uh, PDR, paintless dent removal for the minor dings in the hood and trunk lid feasible? Yes, absolutely. They're very small. It's like, they're like from acorns, like dropping on the car.

• 42:25Matt Farah?

  Like, really small. Like, someone as fastidious as me and insane as me about the car, if they were not something that I could walk by every day and ignore, which is very hard for me, then I would've done them on day one.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 42:41Matt Farah?

  I think honestly, a couple hundred bucks to PDR and you're good to go. They're on, they're on like perfectly flat surfaces. Your PDR guy would fucking have the laziest day ever. He could be half asleep doing it.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Thirty-eight.

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  Come on, ten seconds. Somebody get in the game!

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, is it dying at 38? Well. Uh, uh, no, is that it? 38? Oh, man, I thought this was gonna be like, uh... Uh, hey, still alive! How about Cars and Bids for getting the fucking drama going?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  This is so funny.

• 43:17Matt Farah?

  Do you have Doug's phone number? Can we get him on the phone?

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Uh...

• 43:20Matt Farah?

  Or should I get my phone and get Doug on the phone?

• 43:22Speaker 01

  That's a good question.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  I just love that you're like, I don't know if we're talking, I don't have it. Um, talking fans into it by just like them wanting to help you out for 250 and get you excited? Or if this bidding war was always going to happen, because these four people really want the car?

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  I mean, a bunch of people have really been interested in the car. I mean, go down, I don't want to see the top. I want to see where the comments come in, so we can answer them as what's going on. Uh... Someone says, "Zach, I bought the E46 M3 you reviewed on Cars and Bids."

• 43:53Speaker 01

  The black one? That was a pretty nice car.

• 43:55Matt Farah?

  The Daily Vroom is about this with the auction YouTube commentary, and I fucking agree. There should be YouTube commentary for all auctions, and I've pitched this to every feasible auction site.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  We have.

• 44:09Matt Farah?

  Is it done? Oh, it's over! Awful Mechanic, 38, 250. I mean, look, I'm happy with the number. We, I, I basically, uh... But actually, I think, given what people were saying about this car, I think it went, I think it went cheap. I think they built me up a little bit to make me think...

• 44:38Speaker 01

  There's also some economic pressure happening.

• 44:40Matt Farah?

  There are. It's not a great time to sell, uh, to sell. Uh, tax time is around the corner, looming fascism, possibly the cratering of the entire US economy.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  A friend of ours that runs a repair shop was like, "The bays are pretty empty right now." I went, "Ooh."

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, people are not servicing their cars?

• 44:58Speaker 01

  People are not doing maybe voluntary work as much.

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 45:02Speaker 01

  It sounds like, yeah.

• 45:03Matt Farah?

  Well, was it Awful Mechanic is the username, I believe? Awful Mechanic?

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Where's it tell us?

• 45:08Matt Farah?

  Go down, down, down, down, down. Keep going, keep going. There, sold to, the gray bar, go up. Sold to Awful Mechanic for thirty-eight thousand two hundred and fifty dollars. And I have to say, like, I think you got a, I think you got a really good deal. I actually did.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  It's an awesome car.

• 45:27Matt Farah?

  It is an awesome car. If you're still in the comments, Awful Mechanic, let me know, let me know where you live. Where the car, where is the car going to go? I'm interested to see what kind of home it will have. But, but I, I kind of, I kind of did think it would possibly set the record.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  More Colbert bump?

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  I mean, maybe, I, maybe. But I think maybe it also proves that the bump is only worth so much, you know?

• 45:56Speaker 01

  We don't know, if you were just a normal person selling this car, and it was as nice as it is and had all the documentation and all the other stuff, would it have sold for thirty-two? Like, is this on a Bentley market, or is this a little bit of, even with all the extra eyeballs, is there any kind of, like, I wonder if there's a Matt Farah prestige tax or value that goes on to it? You know, is that worth two grand extra?

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, what it, what I'd like it to be worth is just the general knowledge across all of these platforms that buying a car from me is, is a safe bet, is a known quantity, that I'm not gonna try to sneak something by you. And so, whatever the sale price is, I mean, there's so many things that are outside the, the control of just, you know, I've kept this car nice. And I think this is a very, there's a very specific type of person who, who wants a car like this. So, if, I mean, if I was, if it was the other way around and someone else, call it Freddie

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  or, who, what other, Chris Harris, let's just call it Chris Harris, because he's, he's known for taking pretty good care of his cars. If he was selling it...

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  Would I want it? You know, I mean, no, maybe not. I mean, the fact, the way that we found this car was so accidental. I would never have been like, you know what I want? A Turbo R. Let me go shop for one and see what it's about. It was like, this was like four houses up and we were walking by. So, you know, you end up with a, um...

• 47:32Speaker 01

  But I think there's probably some, there's an overlap where someone's interested in this kind of car and they are probably fans or viewers of automotive media and they go, oh, well, if I'm gonna get one, you know, if I'm gonna buy, buy a T-shirt or a collectible thing and I can get one that was owned by you or him. It's like, I bet there's a little bit to that, for sure.

• 47:49Matt Farah?

  Probably a little bit, but I, I doubt it's much considering it's like... I don't know, I don't know, maybe it is. Well, I guess we'll see. Um, uh, oh, here, Majestic, uh, Majestic Fook.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Majestic Fook.

• 48:02Matt Farah?

  Says, if I did my math right, Matt's net ownership cost equates to a $400 a month payment, which is pretty good for driving around in a flagship British Luxo barge for a year. I completely agree. Four, it's, what, what are, 38.5?

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:18Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, yeah, that's, that actually, that math does sound right.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  So, you spent 4,500, yeah.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:26Matt Farah?

  That's fucking...

• 48:26Speaker 01

  That's pretty great.

• 48:27Matt Farah?

  Pretty good.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:28Matt Farah?

  That is pretty good.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 48:29Matt Farah?

  And you...

• 48:30Speaker 01

  And to have what, uh, an experience with, that led to all the stories, all the videos.

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  Well, sure.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Questions, because if you were just driving a, I don't know, Ioniq 6 around, people would not ask as many questions.

• 48:42Matt Farah?

  I mean, the people... When we got the Mach-E, there were, the video views on, the traffic on those were pretty good. Because I was the first person to, in the media, to like have one for long term. And so, the, those ongoing videos did work. But now, three years later, four years later, EV crossovers are so common.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  And, but I think my, my point was like, five, five years or 10 years from now, when you're talking to friends, if they haven't heard this, they'll be like, oh, that was cool.

• 49:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  And they might not go, oh, how was your second gen Mach-E?

• 49:14Matt Farah?

  No, for sure. There's, I mean... You can, you can get a car for less than $400 a month. But you can't get a car cooler than that for less than $400 a month.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, someone said you, you can lease IONIQs for two years for like 10 grand now.

• 49:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  But it's not, it's not a, the Bentley has provenance and, and there's like presence to it. And it was, you know, a legend in the 90s.

• 49:37Matt Farah?

  Quite a good car. Really like, you know, things that went wrong in it were things that go wrong on 30 year old cars. The parts may be a little more expensive, but it's not like some deeply flawed automobile.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  When you showed me your repair bills, I was upset because they weren't that, that far off from BMW repairs and parts.

• 49:56Matt Farah?

  You know, that was like when I got, when I did the engine rebuild on the NSX, which is quote, "just a Honda." And oh, by the way, your once every six years engine out on an NSX is within 300 bucks of your once every 100K top end rebuild on an air-cooled 911.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Wait, you had an engine rebuild or do you just have the full service?

• 50:17Matt Farah?

  The once every six years major service in an NSX is, is most of the time is an engine out. Here's where somebody, there's like a couple of people in, around the country that can specialize in NSXs and can do this service without taking the engine out.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  But was it a rebuild or is it?

• 50:37Matt Farah?

  No, no, not an engine rebuild.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  You said that.

• 50:39Matt Farah?

  It's no, I'm sorry, it's not a rebuild. It's the engine comes out and it's all the hoses and it might be, they might replace the water pump or something like, I mean, it's like some accessories and hoses and wires and blah, blah, blah. But the point is all in, it wasn't any cheaper than the 911 for quote, "just a Honda."

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 50:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, everything fun is gonna cost a bit of money.

• 51:03Matt Farah?

  But 400 bucks a month to drive a classic Bentley for a year, all in, is really not bad.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:11Matt Farah?

  So, all right, well bought, awful mechanic and I'll get at you in the DMs when we're done with this particular podcast. And thank you to Cars and, Cars and Bids and Doug for putting it front and center.

• 51:28Matt Farah?

  Um, the, uh, should we talk about the Mercedes?

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, we can talk about that.

• 51:33Matt Farah?

  So we've been driving, uh, the SL63 Hybrid. Which is a lot of car. It's insanely fucking fast. Eight hundred horsepower and one thousand twenty-four pound-feet of torque.

• 51:50Matt Farah?

  And it, it's, uh, evolved. It's sort of a one and a half gen from the naturally aspirated V8 one we drove two years ago. It has, uh, an electric motor, uh, and battery which can give you ten miles of EV-only range. And it can also do all the torque filling and stuff, and also does reverse. Love the color, China blue.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  I do too. It really grew on me. But yesterday I saw Subaru Crosstrek. I'm calling it Tacoma blue. Because it's, it's like this flat, kinda clay blue. That looks really good, but I was next to a Crosstrek in traffic. I went, "That's pretty close." But it's a good color, that's why it's popular.

• 52:30Matt Farah?

  This car is so fucking fast. It's ju- did you take it up the mountain?

• 52:34Speaker 01

  I didn't, but I, I spent three hours doing many errands in it yesterday. And it was sublime.

• 52:39Matt Farah?

  It's very, very fast. And if you put it in the right mode, it's really good. And the two good modes are EV and sport. Comfort.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  You like it?

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  No, not at all.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  I was just cruising around it, the ride was noticeably better.

• 52:54Matt Farah?

  No, no, I'm sorry. Uh, it's soft shocks. Sport mode, the shocks are in soft. It's sport plus where they get hard. So you, or, I'm sorry. I do my individual mode, which is sport, powertrain, and comfort shocks. But I really don't like when the engine is going on and off, on and off, on and off, on and off. Like a Prius.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Tell you what, if the battery's drained, it doesn't do that very much. Because I didn't, I didn't charge it at my house. So for me, it was basically, uh, gas all the time.

• 53:20Matt Farah?

  Well, if you put it in sport mode, it'll charge the battery back up. Like while you're driving. So, so yeah, in comfort mode, it'll drain the battery and then it'll stay drained. In sport mode, the engine will be on all the time, but it will charge the battery back up. Anyway.

• 53:36Matt Farah?

  To me, it's a little bit, and I wrote this on Instagram, if you want the written version of it, it's a little too much of everything, not enough focus on a couple of things. Like, for instance, the fact that it has backseats means the trunk is smaller. The front seats don't go as far back as they probably should, or as low as they probably should. And the fact, particularly in this car, that they're white, means you don't want to load luggage back there. Of course, that comes in other colors. But like, they already, and is that really a thing that people needed from the SL? They've been making it for how long with no backseat?

• 54:20Matt Farah?

  And like, really the demand was that for a backseat?

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wonder if there was like an insurance benefit to that, or like some more calculating thing? Like, I mean, 9/11 has backseats that almost nobody sits in. I'm sure someone out there is gonna get mad because their kid sits back there. But, for the most part, these are two-seat automobiles. So I agree with you, having a parcel shelf would make it much more usable, having a larger trunk. This trunk is tiny. Because you have some Lambo parts in there, and there's the charging cable. If I put my backpack in sideways, but incorrectly, the trunk would not be close. It's very shallow.

• 54:56Matt Farah?

  A GT car that you really can't properly GT, because it doesn't hold any luggage? It's a golf course car that you can't fit your clubs in?

• 55:06Speaker 01

  The trunk is meadosized.

• 55:07Matt Farah?

  It's really small. And like, this is a big car. Like, if my Boxster can fit two people's luggage for a week, and it will fit my golf clubs in the back if I take the woods out and put them on, which, pretty impressive. And it's a smaller footprint than this. Like, come on.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, obviously, the convertible top takes up space. But I agree with you, you know, if you get rid of the backseat, is there a way to repackage things so you can move the top mechanism forward a little bit? Or have more trunk space?

• 55:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, plus, and the battery eats into it, so it's even smaller.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Right, because it raises that trunk, and then the, because the electric motor, it's like the S-Class, right? There's the transmission on top of the diff. So that eats up into the space, too.

• 55:52Matt Farah?

  So, you know, you have this car that rides beautifully, that's insanely fast.

• 55:58Matt Farah?

  Um, that can generate its own electricity and use it for torque filling and use it for all kinds of stuff or for EV driving if that's what you want. You can plug it in at home and run your errands on electricity. You know, the, the seats are comfortable.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Very, very comfortable.

• 56:15Matt Farah?

  Super adaptive, yeah. Massaging seats, things like that, but like by having like the hybrid and the backseat and the folding soft top and the like. There's just so much shit tried to cram into a small package that none of it is optimized. And that's kind of frustrating.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it kind of becomes, um, it's, you know, it's very expensive, obviously. It's like over two hundred thousand dollars.

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  Two hundred thirty thousand dollars.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  So it's an amazing grand touring, sorry, like almost grand commuter. What I would call it.

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it is.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  You know, you can put a briefcase, you can put a small bag in the trunk. I mean, truly people like it's very small back there. And that's kind of it versus if you had the equivalent nine eleven with a trunk, much deeper.

• 56:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Much deeper, um, cargo area.

• 57:01Matt Farah?

  I can put in the front of my Boxer, which is I give or take the same size as the front of a nine eleven. You can put two rolling carry-ons laid on top of each other.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Now, this is all wheel drive, right?

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  This is all wheel drive.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  So that, I mean, that takes up space, but I think if you're looking at the competition, it just feels like there's not a lot of space to the car. So you can't go that many places with it. And it's a great, I, I think it's an excellent grand touring car with the exception of.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  I was very comfortable, like it feels cramped in there because of the giant tablet. I still don't like that. And one of the only really annoying things was that tablet that pops up the video screen. To show you where you're driving as you're driving.

• 57:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  And I couldn't figure out why or when it was doing it. Like I didn't read the manual, but you're getting a, there's redundant information being presented to you. So as you're, as I was driving on the highway and in normal street traffic and stop and go, the tablet would pop up this huge.

• 58:00Matt Farah?

  And show front camera?

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Camera screen with like, with arrows sometimes, sometimes without them.

• 58:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Sometimes it was just showing me. The road and it literally was like the same thing I was looking at.

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  Did you have a navigation destination set?

• 58:12Speaker 01

  I did.

• 58:13Matt Farah?

  So that's augmented reality. So augmented reality pulls up a camera feed showing you where you're going and then overlays arrows showing you where to turn.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  I saw that, which I don't like and I find it very distracting from looking at where I need to go. And there's turn by turn under the normal gauge pod, but it was also activating on the highway when I wasn't exiting for 10 miles.

• 58:34Matt Farah?

  That's weird. I wonder if the highway, if the GPS had one of those like, continue straight for this. And that was triggering it to pop up.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  It's very stupid.

• 58:43Matt Farah?

  It is very stupid. In the, one of the EQs had it. And if you pull it up, you can pull it up in the cluster screen, which is way better and less stupid than pulling it up in the center screen.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  Well, in the S-Class I drove, you had the augmented reality was in the heads up display.

• 59:02Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  And that made way more sense. It was still a little odd to get used to, but once I did, it was fine. I think a simple turn arrow is totally adequate. You don't need this like growing, moving amoeba thing that's telling you to go to the right. It's like a video game. It's like, follow me.

• 59:18Matt Farah?

  Like Donnie Darko, where the big long worms come out of his stomach.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  It's like that. It's weird. If you played Halo, it's like following the robot to the right or the left. I just think it's a little unnecessary. But otherwise, I mean incredibly comfortable. I had three hours in the car, like zero back pain, zero problems. Visibility's really good.

• 59:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  The corners drop away. It feels like a smaller vehicle.

• 59:38Matt Farah?

  You know what it does really well? It like the transition from like the road to a steep driveway or like pulling into like a shopping center or something with a really bad, you know, a crowned road into a, into a steep transition driveway. It does those like, it makes like all of those articulations kind of go away with that active body control.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it does a good job of that. And you can extend the front spoiler or retract it if you don't want to scrape things.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  And you can raise and lower the car as well. The touchscreen to raise and lower the top is top five worst UI decisions in the history of cars. And then some, a commenter said, "No, no, what you have to do is you press the hard button and then hold it." And that raises or lowers the top. And it's like, if you press the hard button for the top, it's got a picture of a moving top on it. You press that, it brings up a screen that says, "Swipe left or right to raise or lower the top."

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  There's no double tap version? Because I think we ran into this when we tested the yellow SL when it first came out.

• 1:00:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  It was the same controller, also stupid.

• 1:00:49Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Because we were sitting in the sun with the top down.

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  And we wanted to put it up, and the tablet was really fucking hot.

• 1:00:55Matt Farah?

  The tablet burns your fingers.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  And you had to hold your finger on there.

• 1:00:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  So, maybe, did you try and fuck around?

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  Yes, I tried tap, I tried tap tap, I tried hold, I tried tap hold, nothing worked. Now, a commenter said if you tap, and then a second later, press and hold. And my point is, why would the better of the two top options be fucking buried?

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:21Matt Farah?

  A secret option, fucking animal style, buried in there, and the primary, the thing that comes up on the screen, is the stupid way?

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  And it doesn't say on the screen, "Also, double tap button," or something like that. Like, you either have to be deliberately instructed for this, or read the entire manual for something that like, fucking every other convertible ever made.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  It should be simple, intuitive.

• 1:01:49Matt Farah?

  A brain damaged four-year-old can operate the fucking top.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, they put too many, too many things, I mean, this is a complaint about all Mercedes of recent years. There's too many capacitive, haptic, non-button controls. But, one you shouldn't skip, especially when there's, there's still a button to release the fuel door.

• 1:02:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Which I was shocked by.

• 1:02:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  So if you're gonna have that, hide a convertible button down there, I don't care.

• 1:02:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Just make it, make it a hard, uh, control.

• 1:02:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, or just, you know, make it so, like, look, if the top is down... You probably want it to go up by pressing the button. If the top is up, you probably want... So, if there is a hard button, you could just press it and have the screen say, "Please hold button to continue."

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, why have the button that then brings up the screen menu?

• 1:02:38Matt Farah?

  I cannot... If that person still has a job, I mean, Jesus. It's horrible.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  It's also redundant.

• 1:02:45Matt Farah?

  Right up there with, "I don't think we need buttons for the rear windows."

• 1:02:50Matt Farah?

  Which is too bad. I mean, that's real stupid. But the rear steer is better now. They've gotten the programming from the AMG GT. And I drove it in the rain a bunch. It was great in the rain. It is such a nice car, but for that much money, the things it can't do annoy me.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  It has a lot of compromises for the price and for what it's intended, which is grand touring. But you can't... Your tour can't be that grand because you can't really bring that much with you, unless you put things in the back seats.

• 1:03:22Matt Farah?

  No, and if I didn't need to have golf clubs or care about golf clubs, I'd rather have a 911 GTS. I just think it's... I think it does basically the same amount with less. You know what I mean? Like, it basically accelerates just as quickly with half the power. You know what I mean? And a lot less weight. This thing's 4,800 pounds. That's a lot of tire and brake... Also, by the way, did you notice in the different drive modes, the wildly changing brake feel? So, it's brake-by-wire.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Oh, we talked about this.

• 1:04:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. When you change the pedal from Comfort to Sport to Sport Plus, the brake pedal changes wildly.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  To the point where I was driving in the canyon in sport mode, I was like, this car has ceramic brakes. How are these brakes this bad? Like, even for a heavy car, like, I don't understand how Mercedes would sell a car with this much power and such bad brakes? And then I flicked it into Sport Plus, and all of a sudden I had like Formula One brakes. Like, I didn't, I don't understand why that is a decision that was made.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  It's like they still the programming left from EQS. And they're like, can we do something with this, or I'm gonna get fired.

• 1:04:42Matt Farah?

  It was really, really strange.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Cause in Comfort, um, I thought the brake tuning was fine. It was normal and good. And it was, uh, I preferred it to like, I know I mentioned a lot, the MC20. And it just felt progressive and normal. The Amira brakes, that's what I was really thinking of.

• 1:04:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the Amira brakes are great in the mountain, but, but awful.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  It was this weird, touchy thing. Yeah, but I didn't mess with the other modes because it was raining. Uh, I just pulled up a picture of 2024 911 C4S has a frunk that you can fit a carry-on in vertically. So even with all-wheel drive, I just wanted to confirm that. You can fit one. You can fit one.

• 1:05:17Matt Farah?

  In mine, you can fit two horizontally.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Right, because you don't have the all-wheel drive system.

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  Correct. But, uh, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's too bad because on the one hand, it was so lovely. And on the other hand, I can't really think of a situation in which I would buy it compared to some alternatives. Like, like, I, I, the 911 GTS comes to mind, particularly maybe the Targa, uh, which would still come in quite a bit cheaper than this.

• 1:05:47Matt Farah?

  And it's not really fair, uh, cause it's, it's, it's a used for new. But you can get like, like a two-year-old Bentley GTC V8S with like seven, I looked on AutoTempest, like 6,000 miles, in a good color.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Still have a warranty probably.

• 1:06:06Matt Farah?

  215 grand. You know, and like now you've got a really fast car that's got PD, a Panamera powertrain, PDK.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Even more prestige.

• 1:06:18Matt Farah?

  A huge trunk, an even better interior, real buttons, you know, shit like that. And it's like, if I was gonna, if I was, if I could afford this, I'd rather be driving a Bentley. And I could be driving a Bentley.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but new for new, I'd rather get the Porsche version of this.

• 1:06:35Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  I mean, it does a lot of things well, but...

• 1:06:38Matt Farah?

  It does, but it's trying to do too many things well, and it prevents it from doing the right things very well.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I agree. Yeah.

• 1:06:49Matt Farah?

  Like, okay, it is what it is, but I, I, you know, but they've improved it from the last one. I mean, I like the, the, we've driven three versions of the SL. The original 63, the 43, which I did not like. Um, nobody wants a, and we, I learned this driving the Amira too. I don't think anybody wants a six-figure luxury car that is powered by a buzzy four-cylinder engine.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  So funny you mention that though, because driving the Amira around, I loved all the different turbo sounds it made.

• 1:07:20Matt Farah?

  Turbo sounds, yes.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  It had a lot more theatrics than the MC20's V6, or the new GT2 one. It, it had a lot going on.

• 1:07:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  Um, I'd still probably rather get the V6 with the supercharger.

• 1:07:31Matt Farah?

  Wait, can we save Amira for next show?

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  Cause I, I wanna talk about Amira. I have a lot of Amira stuff too.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Matt Farah?

  But, but, but sitting at a, with both the SL43 and the Amira have the same, um, the engine from Mercedes, the four, uh, the, the four-cylinder, 385 horsepower one, right? And in, in both cases, when you're revving them out, it's actually not bad. It makes pretty good power and, and, and some interesting sounds, but at a stoplight, with your foot on the brake, the whole goddamn car vibrates.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  I think the SL shook even more.

• 1:08:03Matt Farah?

  The SL shook even more, I think, than the Amira.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:06Matt Farah?

  Because I think it was mounted this way and not this way.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:08:09Matt Farah?

  And fucking nobody wants a $130,000 grand touring car that vibrates like an Evo.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:17Matt Farah?

  Like, nobody.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  No, I mean, this, this powertrain is amazing, and I'm so glad they fixed the rear steer situation, because the first S-Class I drove was terrible.

• 1:08:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  And then the yellow one we drove, it was better, but still bad.

• 1:08:29Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  And then they fixed it with the GT.

• 1:08:32Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:08:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it's neat. It's just, uh, it's really, it's really like a batshit daily, more than anything else. And I'm not, I'm not sure who needs that. But it's definitely better than the four-cylinder version. Let's go to the people in the Patreon. Our supporters, our V.I. fucking Ps. Let's get to it. Patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire Podcast is where you find us. You can get the show live, although today's show, as well as our 1,000th episode on March 30th, only those will be available on the public channel. All the other ones, the live shows, you get them at your private channel. You can get ad-free, you can get the shows early, before everybody else.

• 1:09:19Matt Farah?

  And you can ask us questions. So, let's get to it. Sandy Lane says, "You have unlimited funds, but your next car must be from a country you've never bought a car from before. What country and car are you picking?" I mean, I've had, I've never had a Korean car. That's the only...

• 1:09:42Matt Farah?

  So, what's an unlimited funds Korean car?

• 1:09:48Matt Farah?

  That awesome Genesis convertible concept car thing that they showed.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, more like a Hyundai Rally car, or something like crazy like that. That'd be fun.

• 1:09:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  I mean, my, my list of options is too large, so I decided I'd get something Italian that starts with an F.

• 1:10:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. There are, how many, what other, I mean, you got China, you got, I guess, Brazil. They, they, why do they manufacture cars? Well, actually, oh, how about this? Okay, this one, this one, this one made, I would have a Persang Bugatti Type 35, which is made in Argentina. And I've never had an Argentinian-made car before, even though it's a French brand. Count?

• 1:10:29Matt Farah?

  Does that count? I think so, right?

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Matt Farah?

  A Persang counts as an Argentinian car, right?

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Oh, they are made there, right?

• 1:10:36Matt Farah?

  They are made there. They're made there.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:10:39Matt Farah?

  All right. Eh, for purposes of this game, I'll count it.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure. And that's a great thing to buy, anyway.

• 1:10:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Jim Fairs has a Seiko Pogue. Got it for 400 bucks and loves the patina on it. "Oh, however, last year I got into a hot tub with it and flooded it. Do you think it's worth trying to get fixed, or should I just get another one?"

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  Last year is the word that I would really be concerned with. If you brought it to a watchmaker the next day and the water that went in it is, you know, just water, then you could probably save it. It would need a complete rebuild, but you could probably save it. But honestly, considering you can buy a pretty nice Pogue for like a thousand bucks, and I think it would cost you at least that much to have it.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Really? To restore it? Wow.

• 1:11:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because you have to take it, it's not a service, it's full of water. You have to take it apart apart.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  And even if the water's evaporated, it's like, there's like chlorine residue.

• 1:11:40Matt Farah?

  It's some mess. It's the kind of thing where if you had a vintage Rolex or a Patek or something, where it, you know, the net result is a watch that's worth 10, 20, $50,000 or more, absolutely. A great Pogue is a thousand bucks, maybe 1,500. So like, I'd probably just get another one. Maybe if you found a place that wanted to take yours as a credit for parts or something that they could do, you could, there is some value to it, possibly as parts.

• 1:12:12Matt Farah?

  Tim A. says, "What car would you turn around and buy right now on Cars and Bids for the price of the Bentley?" Well, I don't, I don't know how much, uh, how much these cars are going to end at, but let's see what is at the top right now. It looks like we have 38.5 to play with. Go down, go down.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  There you go, there's your Corvette.

• 1:12:33Matt Farah?

  2010 Grand Sport Coupe 2LT, 28,700 miles. That's a pretty nice car.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's at 31 right now?

• 1:12:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a pretty good one.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  At the perfect number?

• 1:12:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, how about that Integra GSR Mugen? That's alright.

• 1:12:49Matt Farah?

  GT3 touring, you keep, keep going, keep going, keep going. I don't see anything I love right now.

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:12:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's 39 grand. Okay. That's pretty close. 996 cab. Yeah, 6-speed. Uh, oh, is that not a 6-speed? It usually would say 6-speed.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  6-speed manual.

• 1:13:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, it does? Okay, yeah, okay, cool. Ooh, maybe, uh, it's an S, not an RS. Hmm, okay. I'm thinking of what we've seen, go back up. I would like to have the, yeah, probably that Grand Sport. Right? That'd be a good one. 28,000 mile, uh, C6 Grand Sport. You get rid of the seats. Those are-

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:13:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's an auto. Fuck. You suck.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Oh, you already committed.

• 1:13:39Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  I'm buying an automatic red Corvette with a tan interior.

• 1:13:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  That's when you've given up. If you buy that car, I go, what's going on, man?

• 1:13:50Matt Farah?

  That's no good. I just need a-

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  You getting divorced? What's happening?

• 1:13:52Matt Farah?

  I just need a red hat and, and some, uh, EDC and I am good to go. Uh, BrakeDiegoBrake wants a suggestion for an interesting SUV or truck that will use, be used primarily for towing a car in an open aluminum trailer.

• 1:14:11Matt Farah?

  Ah, dude, I don't-

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  I don't know. Something with, something with turbo diesel.

• 1:14:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I would say like, maybe a Q, uh, can you, Audi Q7 or a Cayenne diesel is probably what I would do. Maybe one of those Toreg V10 TDI's.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Um, he says Hagerty will only insure V8 models. Uh, I don't know.

• 1:14:36Matt Farah?

  No, that's for, yeah, that, I would say, really?

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, heck, they only seem to, they won't insure a diesel? I mean, somebody will insure a diesel.

• 1:14:51Matt Farah?

  But, I don't know, dude, I, for tow vehicles, I don't, I like to keep it simple with that kind of stuff. That is, that's a work vehicle.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  I'm like F250, Chevy 2500, you know, something Allison transmission, they shift quick, the under-stressed towing capability, I would go with something like that.

• 1:15:10Matt Farah?

  Plus, I wouldn't want to bet my fucking race weekend on a 12-year-old German tow vehicle.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Bingo, you're already doing that with a race car.

• 1:15:18Matt Farah?

  I, I understand the mindset, I really do.

• 1:15:22Matt Farah?

  Honestly, you might be better off buying like an H1 Hummer, seriously. Like, H1 Hummers are like shitty, but you, they, you can't kill them, they're meant for fucking Iraq. Like, it'll tow you, it'll tow your, well, it won't even notice it's towing.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:15:37Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's, it's slow towing or not, it's towing will not affect.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  Well, the towing's 10,000 pounds, right?

• 1:15:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it can tow itself.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:44Matt Farah?

  There, the, it, there's no, I mean, it will not notice. Get an enclosed dollar. Uh, Steven Halterbeck, opinion on a weekend sports car? I've owned several V8 Camaros. I want something more refined and GT-like, I got 100 Gs. Been thinking of a PDK Boxer GTS 4.0. Uh, any thoughts, 911 variants I should consider for this budget? I mean, dude, I, I, I love the, the Boxer and Cayman GTS, I think for a street-driven car, that's about as good as it gets right there, it's a lovely car. Um, PDK stick, you're, no bad choices, you're up to you. PDK's fabulous, it's not a bad gearbox at all. So if you're gonna go, you know, if you want to drive an automatic sports car,

• 1:16:30Matt Farah?

  you know, Porsche's gearboxes are great.

• 1:16:34Matt Farah?

  And you can, and then he asks, Steven asks about a massive depreciation hit. I don't, I don't know what the depreciation hit is, but the 718 series has been out since 2017. So you have plenty of data there to go on, bring a trailer, cars and bids and look at the historical sale data and you could easily determine that for yourself with no special tools. So saying, is it special enough to avoid depreciation is not the way to find out if it avoids depreciation. Actually looking at the data, which is easily available on whether the car depreciates or not, is going to be the way to do that.

• 1:17:17Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:17:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is an interesting question. Okay. Sometimes snow, sometimes gravel. Have you any anecdotes or thoughts on how you are perceived either positively or negatively in certain cars despite them being roughly the same value? A hundred percent.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, a hundred percent, dude. That happens, I mean, I don't have like specific anecdotes, anecdotes, but like if you were driving places in a hundred thousand dollar King Ranch F-150 versus a hundred thousand dollar Mercedes SL, that might easily be the difference between someone letting you merge or not.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Now, are you saying because they'll think the Mercedes driver is just a rich asshole?

• 1:17:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, as opposed to someone going to work.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Sure, that's a good point.

• 1:18:02Matt Farah?

  You know, I mean, at car meets, I don't, I don't, I don't think so. I think it's all, it's all really.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  That just depends on who is viewing you pulling into the meet.

• 1:18:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  But I mean, there's, there are things like if you see six guys pulling in in silver GT3s, people will be like, oh, those are cool, but they might not be as excited as if you pull in with something that's a little more interesting of equivalent value. You might get more of like, and people, we see how crowds, you know, walk over to a heavily modified car because it looks like the person's personality comes through the car and they go, oh, what did you do over here? Why does it look like this? I think that can get a little bit more attention.

• 1:18:41Matt Farah?

  And also the example he used. Is that he's got an E30 that he calls a shit box and he said people treat him differently with a 986 Boxster. Which is like a base early Boxster compared to the E30. The base early Boxster is at the bottom of its depreciation curve and its appreciation curve in terms of how people view them. They're they're not viewed as collectible. They're not viewed as interesting. They're just old Boxsters to a lot of people. They drive great. I get it. But whereas an E30 is a car that is already on its way back up to being a classic.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  Well, do you think he gets treated better or worse with the E30?

• 1:19:22Matt Farah?

  I think people are probably more interested in the E30 than they are in the Porsche. That is my guess.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  Um, I definitely got treated differently when I sold my Miata and got a Crown Vic because people thought I was a cop.

• 1:19:33Matt Farah?

  That's a good one. That's a come up. That's a come up, especially when you're beating the shit out of all those people. It's really helpful when they think you're a cop. They don't narc. Big Bad Cam Faz, that probably means something that I don't want it to know about. I don't want to know what it means.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Or it's a guy named Fazel who has like, you know, a big block Chevy.

• 1:19:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, wants to know, have we ever driven a supercharged or forced induction N A Miata? And what did we think? Or possibly might want to do some ITBs. Have you ever driven forced induction Miata's?

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  I think I drove a turbocharged one in like 2011 for two minutes, but all the all the other cool Miata's I've driven were V8 swaps.

• 1:20:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  But I didn't you drive a Miata, a supercharged one?

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  I drove a I've driven a supercharged one at some point. I drove a Mazda Speed NB Miata, which is factory turbocharged.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  That's when I drove one of those.

• 1:20:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And then I've driven, uh, V8, V8 ones. I mean, I think, like, the problem is the the stock engine is only so.

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, at a certain point, it's just so much easier and better to just get a small V8 and put it in there.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  You drove someone's supercharged Miata.

• 1:20:51Matt Farah?

  I'm sure I did.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  I'm looking at one take, that's funny.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'm sure I did. I drove 2,000 cars. Um, I couldn't tell you anything about it. You gotta go watch the video. But like, I mean, the cost of doing a reliable, good turbo setup on a Miata is like, a lot.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 1:21:07Matt Farah?

  I feel like it is. It's probably half the cost of the car. Probably five, six thousand bucks? For like, a good, like, HKS.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Reddit, as of a year ago, says that a supercharger cost for Miata is over eight grand if you don't do it yourself.

• 1:21:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's like, that's like, the whole car. Most of the car.

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  So that's a lot of money, for sure.

• 1:21:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would, I would sell the Miata and get a Corvette. Your life will just be so much easier. A Corvette is just a fast fucking Miata.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  It feels exactly like a fast Miata. Now, uh, like, in terms of, I mean, handling, steering feedback, everything, it's wild how similar they feel. A, a, a supercharged Miata, or turbocharged Miata, has a little more jeju to it. Like, it's special and unique and interesting, and the car is tiny, obviously, but that is a lot of money. I mean, eight, like, I like superchargers a lot. I'm a big fan, but man, eight grand, putting it, going into an N A Miata, yeah, that doubles the cost of most NAs.

• 1:22:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  So, uh, I don't know. ITBs might be cheaper.

• 1:22:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, ITBs would almost definitely be cheaper.

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  You could just do that.

• 1:22:11Matt Farah?

  And they wouldn't make, you wouldn't have to deal with, like, a whole bunch of other cooling issues.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  If you get an old leather race helmet and put ITBs in it and just tell yourself that you're in a race car from 1972, that's the game.

• 1:22:24Matt Farah?

  It's not a lie if you believe it.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:22:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, scroll down. I don't, the next, next to, I don't know. Okay, um, wait.

• 1:22:36Matt Farah?

  VarTheVar wants to know, hi-chews or mambas? Bro, I can't do any of that shit that sticks in your teeth.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  I don't know what a mamba is, but I go hi-chew.

• 1:22:43Matt Farah?

  Basically, basically the same. It's chewy sugar. Chewy, sticky sugar. Not that I, I don't, I'm not looking down on chewy, sticky sugar. My road trip foods are basically nuts, ve- ve- of varying types of mixed nuts is pretty much what I fuck with on the road. Uh, jerky makes you fart too much. You know, I don't, I try to avoid carbs when I'm sitting all day, so it's really about, about these nuts.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  Some good trail mix sometimes. A little M and M in there.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  Little chocolate.

• 1:23:14Matt Farah?

  A little chocolate, little chocolate in there, maybe a little peanut butter chip.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  I go Quest bars, but I'm sure that one day there's gonna be a class action lawsuit.

• 1:23:21Matt Farah?

  I've stopped doing the, the, the gas station quality bars. I have goo- we have good bars that are, you know, I take the time to read the labels and shit at our house. The one, the, the gas station ones, I think they're all candy.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  A lot of them are, are just true candy. Look at the sugar content.

• 1:23:38Matt Farah?

  Trey Rutledge leased a BMW i4 and I was, and was surprised that the car suggests you set a charge limit to 80% to maximize the lifespan of the battery. Do I keep my cars charged 100%? And is it really that bad? And he says, I feel like I shouldn't care since it's a three-year lease, but part of me still has mechanical sympathy and I'll try to take care of my cars if leased. If it's a lease, charge to 100%, honestly, like the, even as someone who cares about the environment and even as somewhat like, it's not, it's not necessarily your responsibility to take better care of that battery for the next person. And it's not going to go bad during your lease because of charging 100%. I charge the Mach-E to 100% all the time.

• 1:24:24Matt Farah?

  I am told that charging to 80% versus 100%, keeping it between 20 and 80 is better for the long-term health of the battery. I think that matters more if you're fast charging, because the thermals change so much. And if you're just level two charging at home overnight, I don't think it's really much of an issue. Having said that, my everyday, because I own it, I do have an 80% charge limit set for the Taycan. Better safe than sorry.

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  And usually when we did it with the Mach-E, it was like, we're, we're about to do a road trip, right? And we're driving to Arizona and we would charge to 100 to try and maximize, yeah.

• 1:25:05Matt Farah?

  Well, with the Mach-E, I would charge it to 100 and drive it down to 10 and charge it to 100 and drive it down. And I'd charge it once a week. It was 300 miles. We weren't going that far. And if I'm on a road trip, I'll charge to whatever. I don't, I don't. My time, my time is more important than whatever's happening to the battery long-term. But I think if you're, if you're fast charging daily, you know, if you're doing Uber or whatever, I think that's probably good advice. But if you're charging once a week at your house, I think you're probably okay. I, I, I think so. Enrico Palazzo, what quote "good" car would you not even accept as a gift if you had to pay to keep it in daily driver condition out of your own pocket? And why is it a Veyron?

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, anything that is completely beyond your financial ability is a good thing to turn down.

• 1:25:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's true. High ownership costs, high maintenance costs, and relatively uninteresting to drive once you kind of, you know, there's not a whole lot different about driving a Veyron from like a Ventador or like it's paddle shifting, it's, you know, it's huge power. But I've been in Veyrons, like, they're cool, but like, it wouldn't be worth the, being able to say you have a Bugatti is a lot more special than actually driving the Bugatti most of the time.

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  And if you, if you truly can't afford to drive it.

• 1:26:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  That you're gonna be stressed most of the day and then you might be able to tell one person you own a Bugatti Veyron and they'll get impressed, so for two minutes you'll feel cool.

• 1:26:39Matt Farah?

  I mean, dude, any car that is not, you know, that's such a pain in the ass that you're now afraid to drive it just sucks.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  You know, when this comes up a lot, and I've seen this here with some of your clients, is people that inherit a car.

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  And they go, "I don't know what to do with this, I can't afford to fix it, but I can't drive it if the car's broken."

• 1:26:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  But it's sentimental, like, that's a tough spot to be into.

• 1:27:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, really, and that happens often.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:05Matt Farah?

  Um, Siamese sports cat enthusiast, what piece of automotive wisdom do you wish you'd listened to earlier?

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  Well, when I was getting my suspension, Steve Dinan said, "Don't get Club Sports, they're very stiff." And I said, "But I'm gonna go drifting a lot, Steve." And he went, "Okay." I should've listened to him, because then I did not go drifting very often.

• 1:27:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Because the car breaks.

• 1:27:34Matt Farah?

  You drive on the street.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  I drive on the street.

• 1:27:36Matt Farah?

  Awesome, yeah.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wish I'd listened to that.

• 1:27:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  I'd also say horsepower is not everything. We say this a lot, but 400 is all you need. Don't chase more than that, it's not actually that much more fun, except for those tiny moments where you blast the throttle like going too fast anyway.

• 1:27:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Learn to go around corners, that'll be more exciting.

• 1:27:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, the set, the, the, the third time that I put racing harnesses in my car, I should have learned the first two.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  What were all the cars? A Mustang probably had them?

• 1:28:06Matt Farah?

  High school Mustang had them, and then Corvette had them.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:10Matt Farah?

  And then when I did the Fox body, I, I put them in too.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Did the high school car also have normal belts?

• 1:28:15Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  Okay, great.

• 1:28:16Matt Farah?

  And, and then when I put the, put the Corvette, in order to make the Recaro seats fit, I had to take out the regular belts.

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  I remember.

• 1:28:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That was dumb. Oh, that was dumb. Yeah. It's not related to, uh, journalism, but that's, yeah, don't put fucking racing harnesses in your street car. Everyone will hate you and you will hate yourself.

• 1:28:41Matt Farah?

  Okay. Uh, career, oh man. Christian Larson, personal question, if you were in your early twenties and in school, what would you do differently? Any mistakes you regret?

• 1:28:55Matt Farah?

  Um, so, the only thing I would do differently is I would have asked more questions before going to college, because I've said it a million times. I told people I wanted to design cars, and they told me, oh, you have to be a mechanical engineer. Nobody said, you have to go to art center in Pasadena, and what I meant was like, draw the cars, not engineer the engines or parts. And so, seven different experts sent me to engineering school, and I hated fucking every minute of it. I should have been more clear, and I should have, I don't know, ever, everyone else should have done a better job being like, wait, you don't want to design parts? Yeah.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  I would add to that, because I asked, I asked my career counselor the same exact question when I was like a sophomore in college, and she didn't understand what industrial design was. And I remember she was like, oh, uh, well, I guess you could package these two majors, like, and what I should have done is asked more people. So like, if you don't... It's kind of a slippery slope. If you don't get the answer you want, ask more people till you do. That's what the internet is. But just ask a number of sources that might be into the thing you're passionate about. And if you can reach out to someone who works in that field, I'm sure if an 18-year-old emailed a car designer, like, they'll probably respond because they like enthusiasm.

• 1:30:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because they're actually like regular people and they're only gods to a very small group of nerds.

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  And this is true of any industry. Like, if you're curious about something, try to get more information about it before you either go, commit to going down that path as a major or as a career, or before you give up on it for some reason.

• 1:30:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And also, if you're talking about undergrad school, which I assume you are at age 20, your degree doesn't necessarily have to do hardly anything with your career.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  Unless it's a technical degree of some kind of a...

• 1:30:39Matt Farah?

  I mean, it doesn't necessarily. If you have a CSI degree, or you're pre-med, or pre-law, like, yeah, okay, cool. But if you just have a general BA, and you didn't have a major you were passionate about, and you're still trying to like, figure shit out, like, that's okay. Like, it's not, your life isn't problematic if you can't figure shit out at 22. Just fucking pick a direction and go, and try it. And knowing that you could fucking...

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  You can pivot, is a good thing. And you can always go back to school also. That's something that people, like, I felt this great pressure to like, decide what you want to do. You have four years to decide, and then from then on, that's it. But you can go back to night school, you can go to grad school, like, you can change course well into life.

• 1:31:21Matt Farah?

  Sure. Finn and Cricket and Nikki and Monty, respected in the usernames. How do you handle leaky cars at WCCS? Our trays are full, full-floor trays. They're not like mechanic's lifts. So if a car leaks, it leaks onto the tray. It doesn't leak onto the car below. And if a car is a known leaker, we then put additional, like, drip trays underneath the cars. And if a car is leaking so much that it's like, really problematic, we basically force the owner to get it fixed. If a car's leaking fuel, we absolutely force the owner to get it fixed. But yeah, old cars leak oil all the time, and we considered that when building the building.

• 1:32:01Matt Farah?

  Alex Speaker, best raw V8 or V10 experience for under 100K? That's funny because these are very different, V8s and V10s. So, you want to lump them together. The closest, like, thing that would almost be a crossover is like a Viper.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  And that's, that might be the cheapest V10 you could get.

• 1:32:21Matt Farah?

  Unless you're buying Ford vans, yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  Oh, right, the Triton V10, very good point.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:32:29Matt Farah?

  I mean, for under 100K, you're really talking about R8s, Gallardos, and Vipers in the V10 family. Right? For under 100K.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:39Matt Farah?

  And under 100 is getting you a fairly shitty Gallardo.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:44Matt Farah?

  And probably not a manual, which you would want. You could probably get a V10 R8 for, for under, it's gonna have a zillion miles on it and it might have seven owners. But it's, but it's possible.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  I, I would get a V8 something because there are so many tasty options for that money. I mean, you could get V8 Vantage, you could get a great Corvette, you could get Chevy S. I mean, there's four doors, two doors.

• 1:33:10Matt Farah?

  Your options are numerous.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  Truck, like you have so many options from big displacement, small displacement, RS4. You could get twin turbo, you could buy Santino's C63 and you get a twin turbo 4 liter.

• 1:33:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  There's all kinds of shit.

• 1:33:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, there are a lot more options for sure. I suppose.

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  So, a 2015 R8 V10 Spyder, uh, sold for $87,000, 35,000 miles on it.

• 1:33:37Matt Farah?

  A lot of miles, wow.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  A lot of miles, but 87 grand, that is possible.

• 1:33:41Matt Farah?

  Not bad, okay.

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  There are a lot of, wow, Spyder sold, a 2011 Spyder sold for 56 grand.

• 1:33:48Matt Farah?

  A V10 Spyder?

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Matt Farah?

  Holy shit, it's gotta have a story, that's fucked up.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  There's some modifications, it might have a story.

• 1:33:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's cheap, but okay, maybe R8s, R8s could be in the game. Uh, Prashant, what was your favorite feature in the Bentley? Um, anything about it that no modern cars offer? I don't think there's really, there's a lot of modern cars that offer, I don't, I haven't seen real deep pile carpets like this since. Um, I haven't seen, uh, the, the combination oil and fuel gauge is really funky.

• 1:34:28Matt Farah?

  Let's see. I mean, you know, nobody's really doing hydraulic suspension and brakes anymore in that, in that way.

• 1:34:38Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's, the coolest thing about it is just how the amount of torque that it uses is, you know, because it revs to 4,500, it had three gears, and it would do 135 miles an hour. That is a crazy ratio to think about. The amount of speed generated by such a low amount of revs, it's like a fucking train. Uh, frozen dingleberry metallic saw on my Instagram that I had a Seiko with a geometric cut crystal. Uh, it's actually my wife's watch. That's called a Seiko Lordmatic, and it's from 1973.

• 1:35:17Matt Farah?

  And it is, uh, it has a faceted crystal that's like a diamond cut. It's really, really neat.

• 1:35:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. Deep ones.

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is-

• 1:35:31Matt Farah?

  This one's real deep. Has the pass- Nathan Reynolds, has the passage of time ever weighed on either of you at a particular point in your life? But there's moments where I remember things from my childhood or realize how far away certain events were, and it's gotten to me on a few occasions. Have you experienced something similar? Yeah, I mean, every once in a while you think about some shit and go, oh, wow, that was 20 years ago, or, you know. I'm, you know, I'm more than halfway to the age my grandfather was when he died, or something, you know, something like that, you know? But, like, what do you do?

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  Right. I, yeah, you go, okay. It's just a fact of things. I think the only time I really dwell on it is I go, oh, I wish I had done that. Like, that's terrible.

• 1:36:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you should, you should enjoy your youthful body while you have it. You know what I mean? You should, uh, you should make dumb decisions while people expect you to make dumb decisions and-

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 1:36:27Matt Farah?

  Take risks at the time people expect you to take risks. If you, if you act like a 20-something when you're 20-something, people will forgive a lot. But if you act like that when you're 45 and divorced, they're gonna roll their fucking oxes.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  Are you okay? Yeah, that's true. Capt- recapturing youth when you're older is delicate. You gotta do it just the right way.

• 1:36:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. I think it helps for me that, like, my 30s were better than my 20s.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:52Matt Farah?

  And- I don't know if my 40s are better than my 30s, but like, I kind of like the level of establishment that comes with my 40s. Like, people are like, "Oh yeah, you actually, you actually belong here."

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, 30s it was like, we're climbing, climbing.

• 1:37:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't, I would try to not let it bother you too much.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  It just is what it is.

• 1:37:16Matt Farah?

  And, and you know, something that, like, if you're thinking about stuff from your childhood and be like, "Oh wow, that was so long ago," like, if you can, like, whoever else it was in that memory, like, call that person. Text them. Like, you have to, the older you get, the more you have to try to like, talk to those people.

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:37:35Matt Farah?

  And social media, when you scroll by, "Oh, here's a picture of that guy with his dog." That gives you just enough connection to that person to get you out of calling.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's not nearly the same. It's not, the quality of interaction is just nothing compared to actually hanging out with a person.

• 1:37:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. "Plethora of pinatas. If you were to get a Mustang, want a Mustang GT, would you get a 14 with reasonable miles and then get the Maximum Motorsports kit? Or would you get a 2015 and newer for comparable money for the advantage of the IRS?"

• 1:38:12Matt Farah?

  Question. "Do you live somewhere with bumpy roads or not?" If you live somewhere with really good roads, the IRS's advantages will be negated by the smoothness of the tarmac. If the roads are really bumpy, then even Maximum Motorsports's best efforts will not be able to save the solid rear axle.

• 1:38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:38:34Matt Farah?

  But if the roads are decent, you will not complain about the rear end of your Mustang with a Maximum Motorsports kit.

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it looks like they're getting a car with lower miles. The one with the solid axle is lower miles than the other one.

• 1:38:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  I also think the 2014s look a little bit better. You're getting a lot. Yeah, I would stick with the solid if you can. It's also kind of fun, just different.

• 1:38:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I think, I think the 2014 with the kit will probably outhandle a stock 2015 in most situations.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  It might be a lighter car, too.

• 1:39:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But IRS, bumpy roads. That's where you're gonna have an advantage. So if you live on bumpy roads, and you're on bumpy roads a lot, you want the IRS.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Chevelle has IRS.

• 1:39:19Matt Farah?

  Does it?

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  Looking forward to experiencing it.

• 1:39:21Matt Farah?

  Oh neat, cool. I'll go downstairs and look at that. We'll save this next one for the next show. It's a little, it's old school. It's old school. We'll keep it for the next time. You know what I mean?

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. That was a quick one.

• 1:39:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, you wanna do it real quick?

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:34Matt Farah?

  Alright, fine. Vaj diaper. Good name. Fuck, marry, kill. Track, daily, and crush is the car version allegedly. BMW 507 Jaguar C-Type Toyota 2000 GT. I have never driven any of these.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  I haven't either, but that means that I'm even on all of them. So my answer is I would marry the 507. I would fuck the Jaguar C-Type. And I would kill the Toyota 2000 GT.

• 1:40:04Matt Farah?

  Alright, well, the C-Type was actually a LeMans race car. So I would track the C-Type. I would marry the... What was the third one?

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  507 or the 2000 Toyota?

• 1:40:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, the 2002. I'd marry the 507 and I'd kill the 2000 GT. You ever seen a 2000 GT in person?

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:29Matt Farah?

  You're not fitting in that car.

• 1:40:31Speaker 01

  They're so tiny.

• 1:40:32Matt Farah?

  They are smaller than Miata's. Yeah, yeah. Google Toyota 2000 GT images, and you will see a whole bunch of photos of cars that are not photographed next to other cars. Because they look like they're about the size of a Corvette, right?

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Because of the long hood.

• 1:40:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you look at it and you think it's the size of a Corvette. It is not. It is smaller than a Miata. They're tiny. There's one next to a James Bond. Yeah, Sean Connery is a monster compared to that vehicle. Yeah, and that one's even bigger than normal because it's got no roof. Like, when you put a roof on it, it gets really, really small. Yeah, you can only photograph them next to other 2000s.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  Right, I'm trying to find it next to anything.

• 1:41:19Matt Farah?

  Nobody parks next to anything else. Like, see? The entirety of Google Images, there's not one next to another car.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, man. Well, thank you, everybody, for playing along with my little Bentley game. It seems that you actually can drive a 35-year-old Bentley for less money than it would take you to lease a mid-sized crossover.

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  Do it, kid.

• 1:41:45Matt Farah?

  Even at today's price. And shout out to our patrons for good questions today. I'm actually going to Montana tomorrow for the weekend. I haven't skied in a while, and I need to get a couple of days in. But we'll be back next week. And we are closing in on TST 1000, which will be March 30th. So, for everyone watching live on the main podcast channel, thank you for joining us. Please consider becoming a patron, and you can get the same show while we're recording it over on the private YouTube channel. And of course, we have an extra Pro Driver Show every month for those patrons. Plus, they can ask questions, and they can get the show ad-free, both in audio and video form. Thank you all, love you, see you later.