Jonny Lieberman on Rivian R2, Luce, and 1000HP cars

Jonny Lieberman returns to talk 1000HP cars, Tesla FSD, Ferrari Luce, the new Rivian R2, the best(?) way to learn to drive a manual, and a whole lot more. Patreon questions include: Is the Ferrari Luce the new Mondial? Would the Luce be better if it was cheaper? How to convince people to try an EV Best cars for big-n-tall crowd BMW X5 or Toyota Land Cruiser? Why doesn't anyone care about my 911 Turbo S? Best way to test drive a sports car before buying Cars we hated just because our friends liked it The pitfalls of mixing business with pleasure And more! Recorded June 15, 2026 Vinbidders Smoking Tire fans get $100 off the listing price with promo code TIRE and by visiting https://vinbidders.com/tire Go from submitting your car to a confirmed sale in under 1 week with VinBidders. And you only pay $149 if the car sells. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/ TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. ButcherBox As an exclusive offer, new listeners can get their choice between free ribeye or top sirloins for a year or ground beef and bacon for a year, PLUS $20 off when you go to ButcherBox.com/TIRE Bluechew Buy two months of BlueChew Gold you get the third FREE with promo code TIRE. You will also receive an additional 10% OFF + Free overnight shipping on your first order. Visit https://BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information. We thank BlueChew for sponsoring the pod and the bedroom. Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:44Matt Farah?

  Alright folks, on this episode of the program, Johnny Lieberman is here in studio, so we get to fight about stuff. We fight about the GTD, we fight about Tesla full self-driving, and we fight about the Ferrari Luce. No, we don't really, we both like that one. No, we don't, I'm just kidding, we both hate it. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. ... on it, that the Sterling Moss, the lack of the windshield and the ridiculousness...

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it makes up for everything.

• 1:12Matt Farah?

  It does actually change the game. Yes, it does.

• 1:14Speaker 01

  Okay, I really like that car.

• 1:16Matt Farah?

  I agree with you. SLR bad, Sterling Moss good.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  You said the SF90 is great.

• 1:21Matt Farah?

  SF90 is not good.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  It's great, yeah, it's a great car.

• 1:24Matt Farah?

  No, it's not.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  At what?

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Going fast.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Okay, so a lot of other cars.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it goes a little faster.

• 1:30Matt Farah?

  It's not that great to go that fast.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  It's really fast.

• 1:34Matt Farah?

  I know, but it's by Ferrari standards, it's a very boring version of fast.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Oh, it's faster than other Ferraris.

• 1:43Matt Farah?

  Not the half-priced 296, which is just as fast.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Not quite as fast, it is lighter.

• 1:49Matt Farah?

  Makes no difference. A tenth in the quarter is not different.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Bro, I'm taking the 296. I'm taking the 296. I like the 296.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  Dude, look, the depreciation.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  I like the 296.

• 2:00Matt Farah?

  Depreciation don't lie, Habibi. Depreciation.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Depreciation can, because the 296 is also depreciating, that's better.

• 2:06Matt Farah?

  Not like an SF90.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  No, but it's still depreciating, that's better than all the...

• 2:10Speaker 02

  The markets, the market shouldn't determine your opinion of the car.

• 2:14Matt Farah?

  No, no, but the SF90 depreciated when everything else was still appreciated. And I'm not saying the market determines my opinion, I'm just saying the market agrees with my opinion.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, the market has all kinds of weird shit.

• 2:24Matt Farah?

  Zach and I said that thing sucked before there was a resale market. Yeah. Straight up.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I like that thing. We've been very consistent. I'm confused, like it's got a nice V8 that's like lower than your butt.

• 2:34Matt Farah?

  It doesn't objectively suck, but it sucks for what I expect for a $900,000 Ferrari.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  It was like a $700,000 Ferrari.

• 2:42Matt Farah?

  The one we drove was over nine.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  We drove the same one, the Senna Ferrino.

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  The white one.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  The car was great.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  740 plus tax.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, 700, that thing was great.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  I just think, I don't think it sounded that good, I think the steering was kinda weird, the front end, it didn't have like the magic electric front end steering like an NSX does, and NSX costs a seventh the price.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Oh, Ferrari's 50 times better than an NS fucking has.

• 3:05Matt Farah?

  Not the steering though.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  The steering is way better.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  If you have electric motors up front, then the steering should be affected and be much better.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  And then when I got out of it, I go, I look and I go, this looks so much like a 296. So now I'm paying a million dollars to have a car.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  But it came out before the 296 existed.

• 3:21Matt Farah?

  Well, they shot themselves in the foot by making the fucking car later.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  You're moving the goalposts after the fact.

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  No, no, I'm not, I'm not moving the goalposts after the fact. No, no, he didn't say that when it came out, because the other car hadn't come out yet.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  True.

• 3:35Matt Farah?

  But once the other car came out, he went, wow, that's, looks the same for half the price, and he continued that opinion to today.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  You're being very defensive of him, but no, it doesn't look, it doesn't look like the 296.

• 3:46Matt Farah?

  It does. An untrained eye would easily confuse those two cars.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  I have a finely trained eye, and I can tell those two apart.

• 3:53Matt Farah?

  Hi, Johnny Lee Remen is here, we're not drinking.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  We could be, I have whiskey in a bag.

• 3:59Matt Farah?

  I don't wanna drink.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  I have whiskey in a bag, I did bring you guys presents.

• 4:02Matt Farah?

  I'm trying to not drink.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm really not drinking much these days.

• 4:05Matt Farah?

  No, I'm drinking a lot these days, which is what I'm trying to do today, because those, these road and track trips, I drink a lot.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  I, I drank last night and, at home, which I haven't done in, for months, and I feel horrible.

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that'll happen.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  I brought you guys presents, I think we'll upset you, but I don't want them.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Are you giving us your leftovers?

• 4:24Matt Farah?

  Yes. Oh, it's swag? Oh, I'm not taking your fucking snapback. Get out of here with that garbage. I'm not gonna wear it. Not even a flex fit? Not even...

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Snapbacks are better, come on.

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  Snapbacks are not good. When you don't have hair on the back of your head... I have hair. I have lots of hair. When I wear a snapback, I get a little roundy glue.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  A red glue. I hate all of their hats except for snapbacks.

• 4:43Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  In fact, I insisted we get these, but...

• 4:45Matt Farah?

  Well, there you go.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Well, thank...

• 4:47Matt Farah?

  Tanks for nothing!

• 4:48Speaker 01

  I was putting my hat on...

• 4:49Speaker 02

  The local homeless will be very happy with some of them.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Please, I was putting my hat on this morning, and I'm like, "I have two extras of these, perfect."

• 4:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, the side to side. Here's the SF90.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 4:59Matt Farah?

  There it is. This is the 296.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  That's the same car.

• 5:02Matt Farah?

  It is all...

• 5:04Speaker 01

  No, it's different, it's different.

• 5:06Matt Farah?

  It is, but like...

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:07Matt Farah?

  But like, blink and you... blink and you miss it.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Really close.

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  You know, it's pretty...

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  And I think they have a good-looking profile. It's, I think, it both go with the cars.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  I think they're both very good-looking cars.

• 5:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're attractive cars.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  They're both nice-driving cars.

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  But they...

• 5:20Speaker 01

  It's no Luceè.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  You know what, maybe, yeah, maybe, exactly.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  It's no Luceè.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  We're not gonna make this mistake again.

• 5:25Matt Farah?

  It's no Luceè.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Next car, nobody confused with the SF90, yeah?

• 5:28Matt Farah?

  That's right, that's right.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Luceè is nobody's mistake.

• 5:30Matt Farah?

  That's right.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Look very different.

• 5:32Matt Farah?

  That's right. In one of the world's all-time overcorrections.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  That's right. The 488 and the F8 look too similar, so...

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do.

• 5:39Matt Farah?

  Those two I have a hard time with.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  I do, too.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  Even with my...

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Those do look very different.

• 5:43Matt Farah?

  With my trained eye. That's agreed, but that... but that's... but they weren't making them at the same time. They made one and then the other.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Were they? No, I think it was about four months.

• 5:52Matt Farah?

  That's true. We got these parts. What are we gonna do with these bumpers?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 5:58Matt Farah?

  But that's a 488, but, uh... but do we gotta put them on?

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, wow. By the way, I think we can agree the 296 is fantastic.

• 6:06Matt Farah?

  Yes, it is.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  Is, uh, to drive?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, to drive, to drive.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Not to like, change the volume.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  To drive.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, not to like, use as a car, but to drive.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Just to drive.

• 6:16Matt Farah?

  To drive.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  To drive.

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  On a racetrack, real fucking fast.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  It's a really good car.

• 6:22Matt Farah?

  Yes, it's a lovely thing to have on a track or a zigzaggy, uh...

• 6:25Speaker 01

  And those are depreciating, so buy them.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, for sure.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  For sure they are.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  I mean, shout out to Ferrari also. They got their first win in F1. I know you don't care. Maybe you don't care either.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  I watched it. That was very exciting.

• 6:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  I don't care, but good for him. Took him two years to develop that car.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  But also, first all-British podium since 1968, which is kinda crazy.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  I also listened to the broadcast.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  And that was cool. I watched it.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  What's funny is, okay, I'm with you. And it was interesting stats. That's what F1 does. Like, they pull in all these stats. Like, every sport does that. But they said it to, you know, Norris, George, and Lewis, and those guys just went, huh. Like, they, they were so nonplussed by that factor.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Lewis couldn't hear him. It was, Ross was asking the questions. And then, yeah, Russell, nothing could have mattered left to anyone on earth.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Well, he, he was so mad, but he hit it as well as he does.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  But he's like, oh, I'm just really happy for Lewis. Yeah, just so glad to see him back up here again, my old teammate. You're like, yeah, I got to, like, upstaged you there. And now I hear other teammates kicking your ass.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, and past him.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  Better in this other car than...

• 7:27Speaker 02

  And teammate, yeah, his teammate, we had that too.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, his car, Cami nearly passed him, but then his car fell apart, and he was still staying ahead of him. But then it, then it broke.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  It broke.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  But yeah, I love when the splitter came off, and he was still ahead of him. I was like...

• 7:39Speaker 02

  That kid is a wonder, Kenz.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  He's great. Yeah, he's 19.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Sorry, Matt, there's a new F1 driver, 19.

• 7:46Matt Farah?

  I did, I watched the Monaco GP, actually.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Why would you watch that one?

• 7:48Speaker 01

  That was a really bad one.

• 7:49Matt Farah?

  Because it was the one that was on while I was on the elliptical and needed a thing to watch.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  That's a really, that was the most...

• 7:54Matt Farah?

  If I have literally anything better to do than watch racing on television, I will do it. In that particular case, I did not.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  But that race was maybe the most boring race in several years.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  They are every year.

• 8:08Matt Farah?

  No, Monaco's always boring.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  But this was, this was wor- I think there was one pass.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  One.

• 8:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Indy 500 had 70 wheel changes, which is fucking pretty dope, actually.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was pretty sick. A lot of things, a lot of things to follow up and see.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  I'm very jealous. I, that's a, that's a hell of a race you went to.

• 8:27Matt Farah?

  Monaco's is a, it's just a cool race, like, if you're there.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. If you're on a yacht, everything's cool.

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  It's the same as the ice race. It's cool if you're there, and if you're not there, it's like, ew, boozer shit.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  I went to the one in Austria. It was a good time.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  That's a much bigger track I've heard.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  It's a bigger track and there was like 5,000 people.

• 8:47Matt Farah?

  And they allowed, and they allow skidjoring and wheel to wheel, right?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they, they tell me they're gonna have both of those next year in Montana. They couldn't get insurance to do it.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Oh, I was gonna say, cause there's no laws in Montana that are preventing anything.

• 9:00Matt Farah?

  There is insurance.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:01Matt Farah?

  Like, these guys actually kind of care about insurance. Like, when they were doing the Willow Springs thing, I had the best idea ever for a promotional event.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  You told me I was gonna drive it.

• 9:10Matt Farah?

  I was gonna drive it, yeah. The donor, the spec donor?

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, spec singer donor car.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, that was, I was like, we need a, we need a fucking heavy hitter news getting race.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  And Sam was 100% on board and the lawyers were like, oh fucking, no. The lawyers didn't say no. What the lawyer said, we'd essentially have to fully cage all the cars.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 9:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they, they.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  That's a lot of money.

• 9:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they were like, we're not gonna blow 300 grand on caging these cars for a silly exhibition race. And I was like, you guys are the kings of spending money.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Aren't you all billionaires? Aren't you billionaires?

• 9:46Speaker 02

  I'm okay with like 6 grand to have installed.

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  Whoa, a good one. It's gonna be called the Tiptronic Cup.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  Tiptronic Cup.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  It's gonna be great.

• 9:54Matt Farah?

  Maybe one day, maybe one day.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a, you know, evergreen idea.

• 9:57Matt Farah?

  Of, yeah.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:59Matt Farah?

  They'll never get old until they run out of donor cars.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:02Matt Farah?

  That's that. Uh, what's been going on? Driving anything good recently?

• 10:07Speaker 01

  I, well, let's see. I drove here in a GT3 Touring.

• 10:10Matt Farah?

  Those are good.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  The, the Lichtbau, the lightweight.

• 10:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're good.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, $38,000 option to save 48 pounds, which I, like, is kinda, like, I was reading a story I wrote when the pandemic started, so it would be like, you know, April of 2020.

• 10:25Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  And I, it was about, I think just like a Targa. But I happened to mention that, I was like, oh, Targas are really expensive. For like a little bit less money, you could get a GT3 for, it was like 143 or 146,000 dollars.

• 10:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  The base price now of the GT3 Touring is like 240. So it's gone up like a hundo in six years. This one parked out front is 296. And it's just like, they're great and nothing else is like them and I get all that. But man, it's a lot of money. It's just a lot of money.

• 10:59Matt Farah?

  It is so much money.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  I also had a $605,000 Temerario the other day.

• 11:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I get that in a couple of weeks.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  It's, it's really good.

• 11:07Matt Farah?

  They're a good time. I drove it in Performance Car of the Year. It is a good time.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I drove it in Portugal on a track. And you know, when you do a track only launch and there's no street component, I guess it was good. I'm trying to figure out the track, you know? But we had it up in the crest and like, it might be the fastest car ever made. It's ridiculous.

• 11:26Matt Farah?

  When I, we had it for Performance Car of the Year and it was last year. And it, you know, we had the ZR1 as well. We had the GTD.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, GTD is so good.

• 11:35Matt Farah?

  GTD is good. It's really good.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  I love GTD.

• 11:38Matt Farah?

  Unless you happen to have a ZR1 handy, in which case this GTD is suddenly a lot less interesting.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  We had an X, which is, uh...

• 11:47Matt Farah?

  I haven't tried the X yet, but based on my E-Ray experience, which is pretty extensive, I think the rear drive car is the one to have.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Remember how you guys were bashing the SF90 for not having good electric front steering?

• 11:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  One motor is way worse than two motors.

• 12:02Matt Farah?

  I suspected it would be the same as the E-Ray and it basically is. So the rear drive is the one to have.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:07Matt Farah?

  But, uh, on the road, our first day of road driving, the Temerario was so much better than the ZR1 on the road.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  On the road, yes.

• 12:17Matt Farah?

  On the road, that I was like, oh my God, I'm voting for Temerario number one for sure.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:21Matt Farah?

  And then the second day, we got the perfect road on the perfect day, the perfect light.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  And it was, Matt, you should have one more go in this. And I got an empty, and I went, holy hell, this is like seeing God.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  This is the ZR1.

• 12:36Matt Farah?

  The ZR1 rear drive, when you have a road that

• 12:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:39Matt Farah?

  approximates the crest to yourself, is a transcendent type experience.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, that's the crazy thing. You say, have you driven anything good lately? It's like, well, yeah.

• 12:48Matt Farah?

  Lots.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Drove a bunch of Zingers. I drove a... Couple different 01Xs, which despite kinda your adding understeer for no real reason, is still kind of a great car.

• 12:57Matt Farah?

  It's real fast.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, and it's, it's just a nice car.

• 12:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, you finally tried the 21C?

• 13:02Speaker 01

  I tried, well, I've tried, no, I tried it like a year ago, but I tried, I tried the wing car.

• 13:07Matt Farah?

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• 17:39Speaker 01

  And, uh...

• 17:41Matt Farah?

  Difference.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  It is a difference. You know, I gotta... So, like, you know, we went to a track and like, yeah, Zinger, Uber Allos on the racetrack. But like, on the road, it was funny, I'm driving, you know, we're on 73 outside of Palm Springs, right, going up. Great road.

• 17:55Matt Farah?

  Good road, yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  And I'm pushing in the Zinger. I'm pushing hard. And I look in my rearview and there's uh, this guy Eric Tingwall, works for Motor Trend, and he's in the GTD and he's just sitting on my bumper. And I'm like, doing everything I can. He's just on my bumper. And I'm like, well, you know, I'm old and fat and if I've had a good run, just going downhill, you know, blah, blah, blah. Then we switch and he can't even keep the Zinger in the lane and I'm like one-handed GTD up, up, uh, Mount Palomar. Just like, GTD is just so good. Like, yeah, on a track...

• 18:25Matt Farah?

  Which, which Zinger was it?

• 18:26Speaker 01

  The wing car, the green wing car.

• 18:27Matt Farah?

  The green one?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, look, 12 feet is not a lot of space of width for that car to operate in. And GTD just grips and perfect and I, I love, I just, I'm, I'm, I'm Mr. GTD.

• 18:40Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  That's like the best thing I've driven in a long time.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Harris said he'd take one over a GT3 RS if it was a street and track car.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I mean...

• 18:49Matt Farah?

  Well, that's a really low bar. The GT3 RS is a real garbage street car.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  I like it on the street.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  That's how bad it is and that's how good the GTD is.

• 18:58Matt Farah?

  That's a terribly low bar.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Oh, hang on, I like that.

• 19:00Matt Farah?

  That's like me saying I'd rather have constipation than diarrhea.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 19:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, these, that's a bad street car.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  No, it's not.

• 19:06Matt Farah?

  Yes, it is. It beat me up. It's exhausting. It's huge and has no trunk.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  It's a bad street car.

• 19:12Matt Farah?

  It has no trunk.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  It is a bad street car.

• 19:14Matt Farah?

  I'll give you no...

• 19:15Speaker 01

  The ride is shit.

• 19:16Matt Farah?

  But you can make the ride great.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  No, you cannot.

• 19:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, she can.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Everything soft, it's shit.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  I fiddled it.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:21Matt Farah?

  It's shit.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  It's actually, everything's soft, the springs are softer than a GT3.

• 19:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's not good either.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  But it's not shit. It's not diarrhea or constipation.

• 19:31Matt Farah?

  They, these are not great street cars.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  I mean, when you say street, you mean driving around town or in the canyons?

• 19:36Matt Farah?

  Driving around town.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Okay, driving around town.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Goes from one to the other.

• 19:40Matt Farah?

  The street is all of that.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  It was fine.

• 19:42Matt Farah?

  The street is all of that.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Anyway, you're wrong about that.

• 19:44Matt Farah?

  For $400,000, it better be way better than fine. The competition is a McLaren 750 at that price point.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  For the GTD?

• 19:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it better be way better than fine.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no. I'm talking about the GT3RS. Oh, the GTD's great.

• 19:58Matt Farah?

  Way better than fine.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Oh, the GTD's fantastic on the street. I, I, I love, I'm, I'm shocked. I just, I, I don't know what I was thinking. I just thought it was like a warmed up GT500, you know, same engine.

• 20:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, it's not that.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 20:10Matt Farah?

  It's a multimatic car.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, but like a really good multimatic car.

• 20:13Matt Farah?

  But it's just huge.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's big.

• 20:16Matt Farah?

  It's so huge.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  It's, it's gigantic and it's heavy, but it, you would never know it. I mean.

• 20:20Matt Farah?

  That's a lie.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  You would never know it.

• 20:22Matt Farah?

  When you drive a car right after it, it's a thousand pounds lighter.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  No, I drove a car right after this thousand pounds lighter. And, and again, it was a Zinger.

• 20:29Matt Farah?

  No, if you drive a regular car that's a thousand pounds lighter right afterwards, like a ZR1 or a Temerario, both of which feel like Miata's after a GTD.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  A Temerario weighs 4,200 pounds. The GTD weighs 4,400 pounds, so it's 200 pounds lighter.

• 20:44Matt Farah?

  Excuse me, on the Temerario?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  And a ZR1 is 39.

• 20:47Matt Farah?

  38.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  39, and a ZR1X is 41. I mean, it's, it's not like, it's not that heavy. It's porkier.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  It's lighter.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:56Matt Farah?

  It's mid-engine, front-engine.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Especially with huge front tires in the GTD.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but again, the GTD like rocks. I mean, like, that car's amazing. I, I, I will defend that one with a death.

• 21:07Matt Farah?

  I liked it very much when I drove it by itself, and it fell way out of favor when I drove it back to back with 10 other cars. It immediately showed the importance of a comparison test to me.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Well, I drove it in a comparison test with a lot of other cars, and it was like, like, head and shoulders, just above.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Was part of what made the Zinger difficult on, on these canyon roads, like, the fact that it is so powerful and crazy that you feel a little bit more restraint?

• 21:32Speaker 01

  You know, honestly, you know, you know what it was?

• 21:34Speaker 02

  I pulled back driving the F26 from my normal pace, because I was like, this seems like if I get a little bit wrong, I'm on fire.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  F26 will kill you. Yeah, yeah.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  So, I don't know.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  No, I think with, honestly, with, with the Zinger on canyon roads, on, on, you know, one lane, you're basically, you're stuck in one lane. That center seat, while it seems like such a brilliant idea to like, young kids watching YouTube videos, like, everything you've learned about how to drive fast on a two-lane road with a double yellow kinda goes out the window cuz it's like, okay, I'm coming up on a right-hander, I wanna brake and I wanna get my wheel right on that yellow line, be as far to the left as I can to go right and, you know, cook the apex.

• 22:10Matt Farah?

  This doesn't happen to me at all.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  And then-

• 22:12Matt Farah?

  I drive left-hand drive and right-hand drive cars all the time and this is not a thing.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  And then, but then you're doing that and you're like, oh yeah, it's like, it's not every single time, but it's like you're three feet over the line, you know, it's like, oh shit.

• 22:23Matt Farah?

  Also not a thing that happens to me, you know, never.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Well, that's getting used to like, where your natural shoulder feels like it should be.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was part of it, but also like, it's just, it's just a big, powerful fucking thing that doesn't wanna be confined to a 12-foot wide lane, it wants to be on a 40-foot wide track.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  I find that there's a certain speed beyond which your, most people's brains just can't drive on the street. And there are several cars that are past that.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 22:51Matt Farah?

  And it's just diminishing returns.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Again, in terms of like, like, time, let's say if you're in lap times on the street, but in terms of enjoyment, I mean, these cars can be very, very enjoyable. The only one that, that he just mentioned, Zach just mentioned, that I think is like,

• 23:07Speaker 01

  really, is that F26, that thing is just diabolical, it's like, like, it's great.

• 23:12Matt Farah?

  I told Peter that that's too much and he should just stop.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  He's not stopping, he's making a quicker one.

• 23:17Matt Farah?

  No, it's not good, it's just, it's too much.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that car was, uh-

• 23:21Matt Farah?

  The orange car was, was at the edge of crazy, beyond which I don't think it's smart to continue.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  And they went way past that, way past that.

• 23:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that silver car's hairy as shit.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was-

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  It's exhausting.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  It was very tiring, but, but, you know, you work with it for like an hour, and it's like, okay, now I can, I can go flat and, you know, I get it, but I mean, it's like, I was talking to Bruce Canepa about it, and like, we're talking about, not in qualifying trim, but like, nine, you know, like naturally aspirated 917s, kinda the same power, the weight ratio, cuz we were getting like, wheel spin in fourth gear at like, over 70 miles an hour, god. All day. It's like, doesn't have nannies.

• 24:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  And it's, yeah, it's like, it's a, it's a crazy car.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  It's like a thousand at the crank, maybe more.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  And it has no, you know, real traction control. Like, it says that the racing, like, Bosch traction.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  It is, it is. In first and second, I think it cuts spark, but in third it doesn't.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  Torque limiter, more so than traction control. It's not like stability control.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Oh, right. It's racing ABS, not racing traction.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, I think, I think Peter was saying it cuts spark in like first and second, but third it makes full power.

• 24:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, it accelerates harder in third than it does in second.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:33Matt Farah?

  And just as hard in fourth as it does in third.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  I, the, the number that I saw at the top of fifth was really wild.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  I saw one at the top of, I think it was the top of fourth, and it was, I was, it was 160, but you didn't see it because

• 24:51Matt Farah?

  The key is completely blocked.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  On a 993, your palm blocks like from the, from top over, you know, to your right. And so I saw where the needle was, and I was like, oh, wow. And then

• 25:02Matt Farah?

  It comes back after like

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Then when I finally slowed down and moved my hand, I'm like, holy shit.

• 25:09Matt Farah?

  It's, uh, it's, it's terrifying. But I said to him, like, dude, please, please stop now. How about make one that I want to spend all day in? Like, can you make a comfortable one that is like a good balance of power?

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  That isn't just like a psycho thing?

• 25:23Speaker 01

  I, I, again, after like an hour, it took me a while, but I, I was like, okay, I really like this thing. And what was also kooky pants about it was he, he showed up and he brought a GT4 RS, which, what was the problem with the GT4 RS? Too loud, right? And he did something to the exhaust, so it was even louder, and he put double wishbones on the front.

• 25:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know, I know he did a double wishbone thing.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  And then, so I'm driving that down the hill, and I'm in like third gear, uh, you know, at 9,000 RPM, which is, you know, 97 miles an hour, let's say. And I'm bored and the car is too quiet. It's just like after driving the F26.

• 25:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  It's like, like, you know, there's, there's no, you know, okay.

• 26:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's the end heroin.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just, it's so much.

• 26:08Matt Farah?

  I just needed, I slept for like the rest of the day.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  We drove it in the morning and after I went home, I parked it and I just like went to bed. Hannah was like, what's wrong with you? I was like, oh, you've never seen someone hate a car more than Hannah hated going to coffee in that car.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I can only, well, my wife in a GT R Nismo, yeah.

• 26:25Matt Farah?

  So stupid.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  It just costs $12.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, I remember, I remember when I met my wife, I took her, it wasn't a Nismo, it was a regular GT R. What, you know, did like a wow. What do you think? And she goes, it's loud and bumpy.

• 26:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. That's about right.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  But, um, I mean, I, I, I like that F26. It's, but I will say.

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• 30:16Speaker 01

  But I will say, I happen to drive a bunch of cars over 1,000 Horsepower, the week I drove that, like six different cars over a thousand. And they were all dull by comparison. They were all just like, whatever, thousand, it's just a number. This thing was like.

• 30:31Matt Farah?

  It's aggro. Yeah, it's aggro, but it comes with a lot of those like things that like cars back in the day with a thousand horsepower had, you know, like. Shit you had to live with.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Like, I didn't drive off the road or anything.

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  It's no off, no, no, it's you, like anything else, you can use less fucking throttle. It's not like undrivable.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  But even like it crazy throttle, you know, once you learn like, okay, it's not gonna.

• 30:53Matt Farah?

  Roll into it and you know, it it won't do what things that it's not told to do.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:58Matt Farah?

  But the violence of it at full throttle in fourth gear is a.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:05Matt Farah?

  You need to have a narrow focus and be ready for what's coming.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it requires a lot more effort to go.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  Speed of X through a canyon than other cars, even those cars that have nine hundred horsepower.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Which talk to kids on the internet. That's all they want is a hard car to drive and you know, blah, blah, blah. I I just, I just really enjoy it.

• 31:22Matt Farah?

  No, it is. It's just like, I, I, I, I think the, the, I think you could probably put. A hundred pounds of sound deadening into it.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  It has sound deadening.

• 31:33Matt Farah?

  A hundred pounds more and take four hundred horsepower out of it.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 31:37Matt Farah?

  And it would be beautiful to drive and I'd want to actually use it as a car instead of like wanna take it for a fucking drive and then take a nap.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  Right, because some of the noise comes from, I mean, there may be sound deadening underneath the bare carbon that's everywhere. But on top of it, it's bare carbon. So the sound that comes in the window or whatever.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  But I asked Peter.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Around and bounces off of the many, many hard surfaces in the interior.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Sure, but we were standing there, Peter came with, and I was like, man, just put some sound deadening in it. And he looks at me, he's like, there is, we, there has a lot of sound deadening. I'm like, it does? Like.

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  Well, they're saying it weighs like twenty six hundred pounds or something, right?

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Well, it's, yeah, they say twenty six, this is twenty eight, twenty nine.

• 32:17Matt Farah?

  What if it was thirty two?

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:18Matt Farah?

  Would that be the worst?

• 32:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 32:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, with a thousand horsepower.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Well, he kept, he's like, he's like, put it in comfort mode and I want you to experience that. I'm like, it's exactly as loud.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, no. Actually like

• 32:31Speaker 01

  Comfort's the wrong word.

• 32:32Matt Farah?

  To his point, like the throttle mapping and the the setting of the shocks in comfort mode is like good, like those are actually fine.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:40Matt Farah?

  It's it is it is loud. It's just loud. It's easy to drive at low speeds, like

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:45Matt Farah?

  It's not like you're stalling it, like

• 32:46Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 32:47Matt Farah?

  The clutch is pretty fine, but

• 32:48Speaker 01

  But you know, that that

• 32:49Matt Farah?

  It's just so much goddamn noise.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  The noise is is wild.

• 32:52Matt Farah?

  So much noise.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  But like the the handling was really good, the tires work really well, the brakes are incredible, like it's a

• 32:58Matt Farah?

  But it but it's everything about it's a little heavy. You know, it's light, light car, heavy controls.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 33:05Matt Farah?

  Steering's a little heavy, shift is a little heavy.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 33:08Matt Farah?

  It's all a little heavy, so like if we dial down the power and the craziness a little bit, like I don't need one that pulls two Gs. I need one that I I want to drive for a weekend, like

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 33:18Matt Farah?

  Can you build me that?

• 33:20Speaker 01

  He he he already in a way built, I don't say builds currently, but he built that like this, he's making twenty six and they're one point six million a pop, like it's not really gonna like

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  They've never done a car that wasn't super aggressive. I want to know if they can build a car that's not super aggressive.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  The speedster was their least crazy car, but

• 33:36Matt Farah?

  No heat? What are you fucking nuts?

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Okay, hang on, hang on, yeah, yeah.

• 33:39Matt Farah?

  But I think the press car had no heat.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  No heat?

• 33:42Matt Farah?

  The press car had no heat.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  At the least amount of power.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  It was a little heavier, yeah, yeah.

• 33:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no clutch.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't that.

• 33:51Matt Farah?

  Carbon buckets, like come on.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  I like those seats.

• 33:54Matt Farah?

  I like the speedster.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Don't bullshit a bullshitter, you guys.

• 33:56Matt Farah?

  No, no bullshit, I'm saying it's not crazy.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Saying the wingless dragon was the least dangerous.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  It also and also and also the uh the the remember the green coupe?

• 34:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  And we both drove it and we're like, I remember this because we we I think we talked about this show, but like we're both of us like, dude, Peter, this is too much, you have to stop letting race car drivers tune the suspension. And then he changed it and I drove it after that change and it was it was really nice, that was a really nice car.

• 34:19Matt Farah?

  What I mean, I mean, like, make it like a fucking rec like a the really nice, like, regular car. Like, like if, like, not all carbon everywhere and like

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Oh, no, that's his aesthetic, yeah.

• 34:30Matt Farah?

  A taurine, make a taurine, is what I mean, that's what I mean.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. With like I mean, that's what the coupe was, it was naturally aspirated.

• 34:36Matt Farah?

  No, it's still exhausting, it was still so loud in there, it's not as loud as its new one, but

• 34:40Speaker 01

  And still very heavy steering and very heavy inputs.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  I mean, engineering, in my opinion, is a form of art, especially with cars. I'm sure we all agree. So is this just the kind of painting that Peter and Gunther want to make?

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  And they go, look, if you want to go down the street and get a 500 horsepower and a something with leather, you can.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, Singer's right there. They'll sell you that.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, they have a longer waiting list. But they'll sell you one.

• 35:03Matt Farah?

  They will. They will. I would. My money would get the Singer Turbo for sure.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Never driven one.

• 35:09Matt Farah?

  Delightful.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  But I would, I would, I would.

• 35:12Matt Farah?

  The most perfect balance.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  I, again, I have a hard time believing there's anything better than that, that mule that got wrecked, that, that Gunther turbo mule.

• 35:20Matt Farah?

  That was cool because it was, it was not just fast. It was a state of mind of this is just for fun and it's not some perfect thing.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  It was like apocalypse spec and it had, it had the wrong seat and it was wrong body panels. Yeah.

• 35:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you could fucking eat off it and lean on it and, you know, park it anywhere and nobody gave a shit. It was great.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then other, other, just actually answer your question. I drove the R2, Rivian R2.

• 35:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's terrific. They nailed it. It's really good.

• 35:47Matt Farah?

  Right thing.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  It's just really, really good. Yeah. It's like, you know, what, what's a, what's a Rivian, you know, so it's like a little bit more luxurious than, you know, other cars in its price range. Drives better than it has any right to. Like, who wants a family SUV that can rip up a canyon road? It does. And then pretty damn good off road. So.

• 36:07Matt Farah?

  Because it, because it has a conventional suspension, not the R1's fancy suspension.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:12Matt Farah?

  So does it just ride just sort of like a regular car then?

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it rides really well. It, it rides, it's got, it's got, you know, active dampers. And so this, the one they launched is the Performance, I think it's called. So it's like 656 horsepower, 609 pound-feet of torque, active dampers. They will make one called the Standard, which will have one motor in the back. And by, by the way, by default, this is rear drive. It clutches in the front motor where the R1 by default is front drive and clutches in the rear motor. So this just kind of naturally handles better than that. Plus it's 2,000 pounds lighter, smaller car. Much, much better backseat. Huge, crazy sized, oversized backseat. In this thing, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's really good. 330 miles of range.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  If you get the off-road tires, it drops to 310, whereas with the R1, it's three, it was, I forget the second gen, but first gen was 330 on street tires, uh, 275 on, yeah, on off-road tires. They're, they're 20-inch off-road tires, 21-inch street tires, and all in 59,000. That's like destination and everything.

• 37:16Matt Farah?

  I mean, it looks appealing.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, but it's like, if you're on the street tires, those are the street tires in that picture right now. It's so quiet. It's kind of like, like you ever drove it like a Phantom and it's like, I can hear my heartbeat.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  I don't like hearing my heartbeat.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  It's kind of like that.

• 37:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  And so.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  Well, the R1 has motor and wine.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  R1 has every noise there is. It's just a noisy truck. Yeah. Well, this is not that at all. Um, it's, it's pretty quick and then it hits 70 and it turns into a rocket ship. They, the way they wound the motors like, because it's not really for towing or heavy-duty off-roading, the motors aren't torque-focused, they're horsepower-focused. It does like 4,400 pounds. You can tow your Miata. Um, but it, oh, that's, that's an R1 that won the Rebel Rally. Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, it, it, it's a rocket ship from 70 on up. The opposite of most EVs where they kind of.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  It's not a two-speed gearbox, right?

• 38:07Speaker 01

  No, it's just, it's a different motor. This is the, instead of the Enduro motor, it's a rewinding of it called the Maximus motor. Um, somehow they pulled, so when they went from.

• 38:19Matt Farah?

  This R2 is a dual motor, not a tri or a quad.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  This one is for now. They didn't say, but there will be a tri motor. There won't be a quad. There will be a tri motor. It'll be one of their rad products, um, 850 horsepower, and then they're going to have the single rear motor. And that'll be like 12 grand cheaper for the stripper, non-performance. And you lose like two of the six USB-C ports.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  You don't get a roll down rear window. You know, they just found a way to like But like

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  But like that'll be the one actually. The single motor, long range, that'll be the one.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Works just fine, yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't want to be the one, but it'll probably be, I didn't drive it, it'll probably be good.

• 38:58Matt Farah?

  In LA, nobody needs fucking all wheel drive.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Speak for yourself, but um, but like, again, for 59, like, that's a good price. That's for, for what you're getting, you know, and again, remember when 656 horsepower and 609 pound feet of torque was like, that's a hell of a turbo S.

• 39:13Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, but those days are long.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  I know, I'm just saying.

• 39:15Matt Farah?

  Power don't mean shit anymore. Who cares?

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Sadly, I like power. I'm still a power guy.

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  Doesn't mean nothing, though. It's not like an indication of the car being good.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:24Matt Farah?

  There's plenty of cars with huge power that just suck ass. It's not an indication of like, good engineering. It's not really an indication of good anything. It's just a big fucking number. You get an E motor that makes big power.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  Sure, but this is, this is great engineering plus a lot of horsepower.

• 39:39Matt Farah?

  Isn't good. I'm just saying that like,

• 39:41Speaker 01

  I know, yeah.

• 39:42Matt Farah?

  Like, who gives a shit about power anymore? Everything has power.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  I, I still like powerful cars. Slow cars are slow, but this one's real good.

• 39:50Matt Farah?

  Every, everything is so much power. All electric cars are so much power.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Not all, but a lot, yes. There's, there's still some slow pokes.

• 39:56Matt Farah?

  Dude, I've had my Taycan for like 18 months. I think I've hit the floorboard four times in it. And it's the slowest one they sell. Come on. Well, I, I mean, It's like four, it's like over four hundred horsepower. It's the slowest one they've got. I'm driving around LA. How much fucking power is important?

• 40:11Speaker 01

  I mean, again, I've had my Rivian four years and I floor it constantly. It's fun, you know?

• 40:15Speaker 02

  The new Leaf has 214 horsepower.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's see, it's not, not all electric cars are quick.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  I'm surprised.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  I bet you that Leaf is quick.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 40:23Matt Farah?

  I bet you that Leaf feels quick.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Quick enough.

• 40:25Matt Farah?

  I bet you that Leaf feels quick as shit, dude.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  I mean, look, instant torque is instant torque. But anyways, they, they did a terrific job. I was, I, I don't know, not that I was really had any doubts, but you know, you want to drive something before you have an opinion about it and goddamn, it's really good.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Does it ride better than the R1S? Cause this wheelbase is shorter than the R1S, which is much shorter than the T.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Well, okay, let me qualify that. It rides way better than the first gen R1S. They switched the rear everything for the second gen R1S. And it, oh yeah, it's a longer wheelbase and I, I, I would say that Ride is similar. The R1S might be a little creamier because of air suspension, but the handling of this thing.

• 41:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Smokes the R1S. The rear end doesn't step out.

• 41:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because the S was a fucking cut wheelbase and without changing any of the steering, so it drove like a fucking sport Quattro second gen.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:16Matt Farah?

  This was designed comprehensively for this wheelbase.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  This is kooky how well this thing, I was really.

• 41:21Matt Farah?

  Gladiator, like, so if they turned this then into a pickup truck the other way, they would Jeep Gladiator it where the steering becomes way too slow. It will go the other way with it, right?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  RJ was there and the CEO, and we couldn't get a straight answer out of him. Like, we're like, are you gonna do a truck? Like Maverick's pretty popular. The Ford thing's coming and they're like, you know, they said, what was their line? Like, well, there will be other form factors, but we're not saying what. And I'm like, I'm like, a two-door? You're doing a two-door SUV? You're doing a van? Like, come on.

• 41:51Matt Farah?

  They could do, if they did a, if they did a single cab pickup stripper version of this, they could undercut Slate like instantly.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Again, I, yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  They get under, I mean Slate's so cheap, but.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Well, is Slate actually, have they announced the price yet? They still haven't announced, we have like another week.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  For like 20 grand, but I think this would be a nicer vehicle.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  I think June 24th, they're gonna say it's what the actual price is. It's gonna be like 27,999.

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  And that's for the baby battery.

• 42:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for the shitty one.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  I, I keep asking, I'm like, well, how much for the big battery? Because like, I don't want 140 miles of range. I want over 200. Anyhow, so that was good. Uh, what else?

• 42:26Matt Farah?

  You shouldn't buy one of those anyway.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  The Slate?

• 42:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Bezos is not here to solve this problem.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  He's not really, and it's just like one of his investment companies was sort of halfway involved.

• 42:35Matt Farah?

  We do not need to support him. As little as possible. He doesn't need to get into our fucking world. He's already fucked up enough.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Rent all of New York City.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  That's fair. Yeah, that's important.

• 42:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think he's involved.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  I, I don't think I can talk about it. I also drove the Mercedes VLE. Went to Spain.

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  That stands for very large esophagus. Look at that fucking mouth.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  That's a big fish.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Faraday future.

• 43:00Matt Farah?

  That's a big fish. Is that a digital grill?

• 43:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 43:03Matt Farah?

  This screen, it looks like a.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  It's got like painted black squares on it because it's just, it's just like radar sensors. But um.

• 43:11Matt Farah?

  That's so funny looking.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  So this is coming to America. I'm trying to think what I can say about it. It's coming to America.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  It is a six to eight passenger luxury transporter. You can make the seats flip around and face each other. You can have eight, like two rows of benches for an eight passenger. You could have four captain's chairs for a six passenger. Uh, it's all electric. It actually, you'd like it. It's real slow. It makes no power. I, I, I was telling the guys, like, if you're gonna really bring it to the US. By slow, I mean it's probably slow. I didn't actually, can't actually give a driving impression. But um, it's like, it's like 400 horsepower or something.

• 43:49Matt Farah?

  Well, if you're carrying eight people, 400 horsepower may or may not be that much.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  While we're carrying one, two people. The, the all wheel drive version, I can't, I'm giving you a drive. There's an all wheel drive version and there's a front wheel drive version. And yeah, and then they're gonna have a VLS and they're gonna have, I would Google this one, the MyBok VLS, which is rad.

• 44:10Matt Farah?

  I am pro MyBok minivan.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  I'm pro MyBok everything at this point. Yeah.

• 44:14Matt Farah?

  I, we just, I just had the Lucid Gravity, which is a, which is a. It's a minivan. So I think, I think minivan's coming back into favor. I need to see this fucking grill in person though. That backseat.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Hey, look at that.

• 44:26Matt Farah?

  If they're really gonna make that backseat like that, that's dope.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  But look.

• 44:29Matt Farah?

  Those chairs are fire, dude. What? Is there a, oh, it's a screen.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  So you don't see the driver in front of you, right?

• 44:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  You just see the screen.

• 44:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but I thought for a second that was an actual like terrarium of plants in there.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  That would be sick.

• 44:46Matt Farah?

  The chairs are fire.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:47Matt Farah?

  Those chairs belong in the backseat of an Espada owned by Nicolas Cage.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  I mean, they're also very like Citroen SM.

• 44:54Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. This whole van is kind of Citroeni.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  That's it. Yeah.

• 44:59Matt Farah?

  If the interior is really gonna be that, that's fine.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  For the MyBok. Believe that's the case.

• 45:03Matt Farah?

  That's fucking dope.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  So.

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  No, I'm pro minivan. This is good.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Are they trying to come in and compete with like suburban livery vehicles?

• 45:10Speaker 01

  They, yes, they, they think they've identified a new market and they're not calling it mini. They have some, what are they calling it? They're calling it grand limousine.

• 45:17Matt Farah?

  Grand limousine.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Well, when I was in, in South Korea, there were a lot of cars that had had the roofs cut and like the tall roof installed.

• 45:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  And it's because they were converting them to livery cars and it's a much, obviously, as we all know.

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  Like our conversion vans here?

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's way more comfortable to sit in something like that. So this is like a sprinter, but smaller and looks nicer.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  And the, the backseat, not only can you get into it, it, it, it just, the, the rear's air suspension, instead of being like this, is like this. And so with the battery in the floor, there, there's no hump up for the suspension.

• 45:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's pretty cool.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  So it's just flat. There's no wheel intrusion into the rear passenger. So it's just, it's just a space. I feel they give us the numbers like, you know, an Escalade with all the seats down has like, I'm making this up, but like whatever they said, like 75 liters of space. This has 150.

• 46:03Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  It's just like so spacious.

• 46:05Matt Farah?

  Van is obviously the optimum space for luxury transport.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  The most brilliant thing, the most brilliant thing was when you take the seats out, they have wheels on the bottom. So you can, because they're super luxury, everything pops out with, you know, folding tray tables with wheels. So you put them on the ground.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  And you just roll them out of the way.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Which is really smart.

• 46:24Matt Farah?

  Can you also just chill in it on the ground as a chair?

• 46:27Speaker 01

  You know, here's the problem was, here's the problem was they didn't show us the seat coming out. So I don't know.

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  So we have to take their word for it.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  I don't know. But yeah, but it's, it's okay. It's like.

• 46:37Matt Farah?

  They're probably so heavy, it needs to come with like a crane. Like, remember how the old SLs came with that like roof mounted?

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Yes. Well, that was your pick one of those up.

• 46:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  It's like 300 pounds. Yeah.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  So you've got the crane for your roof? Like this has to come with the, with a gantry to take the seats out?

• 46:54Speaker 01

  There might be a way to power them out. I think, ah, no, I guess, but there's, there's one version. This, I of course took a picture of the one on the monoblocks because.

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  Because they're dope.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. They make an AMG sport line version that had red seatbelts and different wheels. And then they make like a, I don't know, another, another one, but. Some of them like

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  Red seatbelts.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Red seatbelts, yeah, that's great. And red stitching. But like, some of them, like, you know, you you pull a thing and you slide the seats on the tracks. Some had powered tracks. So you had these, this one had these insane captain's chairs that were powered.

• 47:25Matt Farah?

  So that's what you want is like, you want the configurator where it's like, you know, conference room, bedtime, and it just does like, it just does a whole fucking dance back there.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Well, but again, if you pull the rear seat, you could literally like, power the front captain's chairs all the way to the back.

• 47:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  And then, I don't know, shoot craps or whatever in the middle.

• 47:43Matt Farah?

  Dude, my Delica, I mean, has the swirling captain's chair. So you can have this them face each other. And then Hannah and I have a table.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:51Matt Farah?

  That goes in there. This is 1991 shit, dude.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  I'm not saying it's new.

• 47:54Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, obviously, this is way doper. But like, it's really nice to have that. During pandemic, we would get takeout and have a date night in the van.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember, I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So this is, this is be interesting. I'll give my driving review.

• 48:08Matt Farah?

  I really liked the ID Buzz a lot.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  So I think the ID Buzz drives so well. I was shocked by how well it drove.

• 48:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Now, the fact that the windows don't roll down is like the engineering snafu of the decade.

• 48:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  But aside from that, what a nice vehicle.

• 48:22Matt Farah?

  It was great. It felt like driving the monorail.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  I really enjoyed it.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Because it's just wheelbase.

• 48:27Matt Farah?

  And you've got this weird open airspace in front of you where the windshield is like upright and far away. It was like train fantasy camps.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  A little bit like this, yeah.

• 48:37Matt Farah?

  I do like this van. I just need to see that grill in person. I like the idea of it, but this, it makes.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Oh, here, Zach, I will text you. I have, I have a picture to put up. Let me text it to you.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Airdrop to 2019 MacBook.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's right here. It's right here. It's right here. I took many pictures of many, oh, yeah, this is the one. Okay.

• 48:55Matt Farah?

  Where, did you drive, where did you drive that, Lake Como?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Bilbao.

• 48:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, Bilbao. How's Bilbao this time of year?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Bilbao is great. Anytime of year. Also, I think you can get like a house in Bilbao for like $17 is what it seems to.

• 49:10Matt Farah?

  There are many places in Europe where I would like to go for seven days.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  But the food is just insane. However, because the Germans are Germans. So, I believe it's pronounced Pinzos.

• 49:21Matt Farah?

  Pinchos.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Pinchos is basque tapas.

• 49:24Matt Farah?

  The best.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  And all they're doing is giving us steaks. Because they're German. And I was like, but they had past appetizers that were like fifty times better than the steak.

• 49:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there you go. Oh, okay. In this photo, it looks better. You can tell it's like a mesh. There's a texture to it. In that other photo, it just looked like a gloss black screen almost.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they had different.

• 49:44Matt Farah?

  Can you like Command Plus? Can you just zoom in on that?

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  So it looks way better here.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and again, you don't have a front plate in California. You don't have to have a front plate. And, well, I mean, again, in Europe, they think you'll get shot if you don't have a front plate at all times on the car. You know what I mean? Like, like, like, the AMG thing on the bridge the other night.

• 50:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  The Autobahn. They put front license plates on, and I'm like, why are you doing that? Like, and they're like, well, because it's like, you know, we're recreating the Autobahn, and you, I was like, take the front plate. It's ugly enough. Like, give it a chance.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  The front plate distracts you from the way the car goes.

• 50:19Matt Farah?

  No, this is all right. Once you see it from this angle and can see that there's a texture to it, then it's all right.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:24Matt Farah?

  So, you know, Ben's fucking hit me up. I want to drive this thing.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's coming, it's coming basically twenty-seven to the US.

• 50:32Matt Farah?

  Did you go all the way to drive that? You flew all the way to Bilbao for that?

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was my second time being invited for a Driving with Johnny video.

• 50:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  You know, and, and I was like, why not? You know?

• 50:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I would go to Bilbao also. I was just up the road from there for, um, shit, what car was it? Valkyrie. Valkyrie was right up in Rioja, right up the road from there. It was fucking banging.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Different than Valkyrie.

• 50:55Matt Farah?

  The car, yes.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Little bit, little bit.

• 50:58Matt Farah?

  More daily to have a Valkyrie for the weekends. Not Valkyrie, I'm sorry, Valhalla.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Valhalla, yeah, yeah, yeah. But also different than Valhalla.

• 51:06Matt Farah?

  Yes, sorry. These V-words are fucking me all.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  But, yeah, so they think they're on to something. We'll see in about a year. Yeah.

• 51:14Matt Farah?

  Well, 10 out of 10 would like to drive. Don't know nothing, but would like to drive.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  And I think in the US, the VLS is actually coming before the VLE and then the Mybok is coming and then the

• 51:24Matt Farah?

  Which one is the S? Just means it's faster.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Longer, longer, longer. Yeah. In fact, if I had to guess, there will not be a VLE in the States. There'll be a VLS and a Mybok VLS.

• 51:33Matt Farah?

  Got it.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  If I had to, because

• 51:35Matt Farah?

  We don't do short wheelbase vans here so good.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Didn't the Buzz, they offered it as a short one, but we didn't get that one.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was in Norway and they're like, every single, um, you know, city gardener had a ID Buzz short wheelbase. And I'm like, look at that.

• 51:48Matt Farah?

  They're using them in the airports a lot too, as like utility vehicles. So I see them running around fucking the tarmac in Europe and whatnot.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, no one really understands our obsession with size. You know, like I kept telling the head of the program, because he's like, you know, you know, I'm like, I just want to see the VLS because this is kind of small. He goes, no, but it has so many liters. And I'm like, yeah, we don't even know what a liter is.

• 52:13Matt Farah?

  It's like the Europeans coming over here and appreciating our football stadiums.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:17Matt Farah?

  For the World Cup games.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  And our food.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  And our Buc-E's.

• 52:21Matt Farah?

  And our cheese steaks.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  And our waffle houses. No, but like, I remember Giles Taylor was the head of Rolls Royce Design. He did the Cullinan. And I was asking about it and he had many champagnes, but he's telling me, he's like, yeah, you know, we, we made one and we showed it to our British customers and they said, oh, quite, quite lovely. Fantastic. And showed it to Germans. They liked it. Showed it to the Russians and they said, it's got the, the woman on the front. Cool. Showed it to the Chinese. Oh, it says like Rolls Royce in giant font. That's all we care about. Brought it to the American customers and they said, you call that an SUV? I got an Escalade five times bigger than that. So they immediately went back and just added 12 inches in length and eight inches in height. And that became the Cullinan. Yeah, that's what he told me. He's no longer there.

• 53:05Matt Farah?

  I wonder what it was before. 12 inches in length, eight inches in height. So it would have been a wagon. I mean, it basically would have been a wagon.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  Do you remember, it was the weirdest thing ever, but they, when they launched it, they, they took us out to lunch before there was a car. They, to give us an envelope. It had a letter and it said, Rolls Royce is building a high sided car. And that was like 18 months before we saw the thing, a high sided car. And we're like, so that's an SUV and you know, they're so pretentious, like, no, no, no, no, it's a high sided car. I was like, car with an R, a car with an R.

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  That's really funny.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 53:41Matt Farah?

  High sided car.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  High sided car.

• 53:44Matt Farah?

  That's really strange. I'm trying to picture a Cullinan that was 12 inches shorter and eight inches lower roofline. And it really, in my head, seems kind of strange looking.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  The shorter would be weird. I could get the lower. You could chop that thing, but I don't know where they added the height.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  I'd get an R3 by Rolls Royce. It'd be like an R3 by Rolls Royce.

• 54:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean. It would look like a station, like a Phantom station wagon effectively.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  No, it was a lowered crossover, man. It's not a station wagon. That's the marketing we've all been sold, right?

• 54:15Matt Farah?

  Someone with a Rolls Royce would never be seen at a station.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Not at all.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  That's right. Yeah, that's right. Well said. Pass the mustard.

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  Oh dude, oh, you know what? Speaking of mustard, I just got a Trader Joe's. I got a dill pickle flavored mustard that basically tastes like if you have a hot dog that has mustard and relish on it. It's, you'd be surprised at how many things that's good on it.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, yeah, I love relish. I bought relish at the beach house. We were barbecuing.

• 54:42Matt Farah?

  Shout out your shirt.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Yes, okay.

• 54:44Matt Farah?

  Um, cool. So, uh, how is driving with Johnny Adventures going? It was, it was a good start and then it was a rocky middle and now we're back in the game?

• 54:53Speaker 01

  I mean, it's just this weird thing where I have many subscribers and, and, and people are watching the, the videos. Doing pretty good, you know, like decent views.

• 55:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you got a silver plaque.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Congratulations.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  But there's just no fucking money. I don't know what, like, I'm, I'm 30 grand in debt. You know what I mean? Like, I found a job that I'd lose money every month. It's crazy.

• 55:17Matt Farah?

  That's tough.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I saw Larry Chin a couple of weeks ago and he was just yelling and screaming at me. He's like, why don't you have sponsors? Now you're gonna get good sponsors.

• 55:24Matt Farah?

  That's how we make money, actually, as it turns out.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  And, uh, but I was like, well, I got approached by all these horrible sponsors. And he's like, no, he's like, you gotta get good sponsors. So he claims he's gonna work on it. But I was like, I was like, I'm gonna be out of town. So I text him this morning, I'm like, all right, Larry, like, let's go, it's Monday. And he's like, oh, I'm at Pike's Peak.

• 55:41Matt Farah?

  You could also just do what I do and throw your pride out the window and, uh,

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I could. I had some horror.

• 55:49Matt Farah?

  I'm not saying you should do like things that are like morally reprehensible.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  You know, there's certain items.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  Have you heard about Grok AI?

• 55:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  God, we had, oh my God, you would have died. We had a cyber beast. And I was like, hey, honey, it's got Grok. And she just kept hitting it. And she's like, hey, Grok, remember when you said you were Mecha Hitler? And it was like, oh, yes, that was rather unfortunate. But that was early on. And then she's like, hey, Grok, you know the 14 words? Like, she just kept.

• 56:22Matt Farah?

  Was it a press car?

• 56:23Speaker 01

  No. It was Motor Trend had one and it was my birthday. And I said, can I borrow that for the week? And I mean, I will say one really insanely good thing about it. And I was, I'm still blown away by this because I was Mr. You'll never get full self-driving to work without LiDAR. I got home, kid's still up, he hasn't seen me in a week. And I'm like, let's do something like, let's go get a vanilla milkshake at McDonald's. Because I know they're open and that way, you know, you can just get the milkshake not to get out of the car. And I wanted him to see that the car drives itself because it's really good. So we're full self-driving, big, wide, dark, dark street. And I have in Mad Max mode where it'll just speed. And it's like going, it's, yeah, you can take it out of Mad Max.

• 57:05Matt Farah?

  That's a good thing to include it. Yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  I mean, you can speed without Mad Max. I've done that in every car I've ever been in, you know, but anyways. So my point is.

• 57:12Matt Farah?

  Obviously a difference that you're, you miss, but go on.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  No, no, here's the thing. Here's the difference that I missed. Here's the difference.

• 57:19Matt Farah?

  I just can't live in this world anymore.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Here's the difference. It's going 44 in a 35.

• 57:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  And then it slams on the brakes. And I'm in my head like, stupid fucking robot. As I say that, a family of skunks is walking in front of us, black mom with five black babies. And like, yeah, if you were looking down, you could see a white stripe, but my angle, it was black.

• 57:40Matt Farah?

  That's so weird because that's programmed to not stop for black.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Never mind.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  It knew they weren't human. Yeah, yeah. But like, I was, I was, again, again, I was like, you can't do full self-driving without LiDAR because of situations like this. And.

• 57:57Matt Farah?

  That's not the situation that you can't do it. It's when the cameras are obstructed with mud or snow.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, well, it won't go into full self-driving if the cameras are obstructed. But, but my point is, it was, it's really good. And the update of the one I was driving was like, apparently it sees animals now. It didn't see animals before. Now it's all about.

• 58:12Matt Farah?

  They released it before they did that. It's really trustworthy fucking people.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  I'm not, again, it's, it was, I was shocked.

• 58:20Matt Farah?

  Experience isn't data, right? Your experience is one experience, data is data, like huge amounts of data justify whether this is a safe thing to deploy on the street at night, right?

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Well, I would have killed.

• 58:31Matt Farah?

  I took it to McDonald's and it stopped for a skunk.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Well, I would have killed six skunks. I mean, I would have, I would have hit those skunks.

• 58:37Matt Farah?

  Okay, so the justification is for an ADAS system, not an FSD system. If a system was watching you drive and saw the skunks and applied those brakes, like active emergency braking.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  I don't think a system would have seen those skunks.

• 58:52Matt Farah?

  But what's, of course a system sees the skunks.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  I don't think it would have seen, I don't know.

• 58:56Matt Farah?

  The same system.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  I've hit a lot of animals in my time.

• 58:59Matt Farah?

  I'm saying if that truck didn't quote, "drive itself", but had the same safety systems that it currently has, but you're steering, it would still see the skunks.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  By the way, it very well might do that. I just happen to have it in FSD, you know, so. And again, I was the world's biggest, like, there's no way FSD will work, there's no way, can't work, there's no way, shouldn't be deployed, and then, boy, it works. It just, it just works, like, again, the edge cases are dangerous, fog, rain, blah, blah, that's probably, you want LIDAR? Holy shit, it works in like, clear conditions.

• 59:33Matt Farah?

  I, I think that there is something very dangerous about something that works really well, most of the time.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  I totally agree, that's why I wouldn't.

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  That's actually more dangerous than something that works badly.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Well, except, again, like.

• 59:47Matt Farah?

  Phil Klapman would agree, he's the leading expert on this, but, yes.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, again, it, it, how do I put this? Uh, it saved a lot of skunk lives that night. You know, had I, had I been driving it, yeah.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Had you been driving it with ADAS enabled.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Or any other car, or any other car.

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  You don't have data for that. You have absolutely no data that no other car.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  I've hit, well, not no other car.

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  There's no data to that. You're making up a statistic.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  If had I been in that GT3 doing the same thing.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  Sure, do you want, you want that GT3 to have those levels of fucking ADAS? Would that make the GT3 a better car? If it had the shit that that Cybertruck had?

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Works really well. If it didn't work well, I'd be here saying, man, it works like shit. Cause it worked like shit for years.

• 1:00:29Matt Farah?

  The GT3 has ADAS. The first thing I do every time I drive it is turn it off.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Fine.

• 1:00:33Matt Farah?

  Makes it drive worse.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not arguing that. What I'm arguing is like, holy shit, this update 14.2 is shockingly good.

• 1:00:42Matt Farah?

  What I'm saying is you are conflating the ADAS with a self-driving system. A level 2 self-driving system.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  It's level 2. Again.

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  But you're conflating the 2.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  I'm not conflating the 2.

• 1:00:54Matt Farah?

  You're saying it's the FSD that stopped you from hitting the skunks. I'm saying it's the active emergency braking portion of the ADAS system that would have still done it if your hands were on the wheel.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  I don't think either of you know for sure which one did it.

• 1:01:09Matt Farah?

  That's fair. Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  If all the systems are aiming forward, cameras and emergency braking and radar, none of us know.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  There's no radar. Yeah, there's no radar. That's the crazy thing. Well, FSD is...

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Most ADAS systems like emergency braking.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Most do.

• 1:01:24Matt Farah?

  But Cybertruck doesn't.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Has zero?

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  None. Well, it has parking sensors. I don't know how active they are. And this is too far away to be a parking sensor.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  But they, yeah, very famously, they made this decision. They said we can do camera only.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  I mean, I know that part of it. I'm just saying, I didn't know if they had, you know, the RAV4 has auto braking and it uses a system that's not a camera.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was shocked. I was, I was just like, literally shocked. And like, it does drive rather well. Like, I went up Angeles Crest. Like, it goes slow, but it drove to Newcombs Ranch without me doing anything, which is, you know, it's a good test.

• 1:01:58Matt Farah?

  I think it's, it's, it's a, it's a one-time experience that for that type of technology is not a good representation of whether or not a system is safe. You need to look at bigger data.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would. But again, I would like to see, since, again, I don't know, because they won't release anything. They're an opaque company and blah, blah, blah, and, you know.

• 1:02:17Matt Farah?

  Really famously trustworthy company.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  And their CEOs, perhaps the worst person who's ever lived. Let's, you know, let's...

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  Certainly the worst person alive.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, he's up there, yeah. But that version 14.2, I'd love to see statistics on, you know, they won't release them.

• 1:02:31Matt Farah?

  Too bad they won't show them. Famously, people who don't show... Share statistics are way above board. I mean, it's just throughout history.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:38Matt Farah?

  The, the, we, you can't look behind the books, but just take our word, this is better is a totally truthful strategy that I have no issue with.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Again, I'm, I'm, I'd love to see, but it's, it's, it's impressive. It's just like super impressive.

• 1:02:53Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, it's, it's great when someone has a, an experience that is good.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'd, I mean, several, and I know several people with it, that, you know.

• 1:03:03Matt Farah?

  That's not data, dude. You mean millions of miles of data, but you're going on big podcasts and you're posting on Instagram about how my experience was so great. But, but without any data, you're saying that this is better because I say it is.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Anecdotally, well, that's like, that's like reviewing a car. I mean, you know.

• 1:03:22Matt Farah?

  It's, no, no, no. It's, it's not like reviewing a car. It's, you're talking about software that requires millions and millions and millions of miles and statistics and all of this kind of stuff.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  I don't, I hate having to defend Tesla, but they have that. I mean, they've done millions and millions of.

• 1:03:37Matt Farah?

  Well, we know they've done millions and millions of miles. Here we go. When is this story from? 2026? Today.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:03:44Matt Farah?

  Exclusive Reuters, Tesla presented misleading full self-driving safety data to European regulators.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Okay, well.

• 1:03:52Matt Farah?

  Look at that. Johnny had a good time in the car, but Tesla's lying to European regulators.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Lying about what? Hang on a second. Lying about what?

• 1:03:59Matt Farah?

  I have to subscribe to Reuters.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  There's a couple of things that work, that highlight both arguments. So here's a, a case where the police in Florida, this is a story from two weeks ago.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  That's autopilot, that's not S O S D.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry. Okay. Well, Waymo, where the, I had this other thing up that, uh, Waymo pulled cars in five cities because they drove into flood areas.

• 1:04:18Matt Farah?

  That's bad.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Right. So I'm saying like, all of these systems, the Waymo thing proves that even when something works in 92 places.

• 1:04:25Matt Farah?

  The first limitation of Waymo, the first time I ever took a Waymo from my house to here and it dropped during the rain. And it dropped me off in the middle of a puddle.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  Right. It's like a year later and like.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Well, again, I've, I've no experience with any of these in the rain. I will put that out there.

• 1:04:38Matt Farah?

  No, no, there's, yeah, rain is a big fucking problem for this stuff.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  That's why I think you need lidar. I agree. Yeah, yeah. And fog and all kinds of stuff.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  So I, I think this to me and the other, the other case.

• 1:04:49Matt Farah?

  I'd like to find the copy for that other, that Reuters article.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Goal that these companies have.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  Tesla's horrible like with shit like that. Like you saw, you saw the one where the in autopilot, the car, you know, I don't know, ran through something, killed a guy and mortally wounded another one. And then it automatically deleted the accident. Like, I'm not saying, you know, they do that shit.

• 1:05:09Matt Farah?

  Yes. I think that if a person gets into an accident, they're a human who makes mistakes, I can forgive them. When cars do things systematically, when a company covers up this kind of shit systematically.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, totally agree.

• 1:05:23Matt Farah?

  When a company says, this is safe, buy it from me, and it's half-assed, and they are not open about the statistics.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Totally agree.

• 1:05:30Matt Farah?

  You have a major hurdle to clear for me to agree that this is safe. And one person saying, I had a good ride.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:38Matt Farah?

  Is miles from that fucking hurdle.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Sure. However, however, I like, again, I'm talking about this update. I believe it was 14.2, might have been 14, might have been 14, I don't know exactly. I don't, I'm not a Tesla guy. But everyone I spoke with, I know it's anecdotal, big, big pool though. Like, they're like, yeah, it's insane how well it works. Finally. Like, it's insane.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  And I've heard Camus say the same thing. That was a couple of months ago.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Oh, he's out of his fucking mind. But yeah.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Aren't you guys best friends again?

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. It's a good thing. He's coming to my sleepover.

• 1:06:09Matt Farah?

  You know, they've been, they've only been selling the thing for 10 years.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Again, it's horribly dishonest. It's horribly unethical.

• 1:06:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's, well, we're at the roadster. It's literally nine years.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Literal theft.

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, literal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:22Matt Farah?

  Holy shit. I had this fucking poor guy. This poor guy came on our road and track event this past thing and talking. He's like, you know, he said he had, he, he gave him, he gave them money for a roadster.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  $250,000, right?

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, quarter mill.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  And he was like, you know, I think, I was like, get your money back, dude. What are you doing? Like, it was a lie then, it's a lie now. Like, get your goddamn money back immediately.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  I spoke with a guy I know who's still an engineer at Tesla. He's, he's in the suspension department. And um, I was like, is that thing fucking coming? He's like, yeah, it actually, it, he's like, I know, I know. He's like, it is coming.

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  This company has zero credibility.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  But again, he's, he's, he's a suspension engineer.

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  Sure, but I don't, I don't.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  But I said, I said, I said, does it actually levitate? Cause I keep hearing it levitates. He's like, dude, it's worse. He's like, it flies. And I go, what do you mean?

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  If I wanted to pump my Tesla stock, I'd lie to Jonny Lieberman and have him talk about it on a fucking podcast.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  Not this guy, not this guy.

• 1:07:20Matt Farah?

  It flies, fuck off.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Well, it flies by, here's how it flies. It's got, it's, it's, it's, it's a trick. It's, it's a trick, but it apparently raises up using compressed air, using SpaceX nozzles. It raises the thing up and then has other nozzles that just skid it forward or push it forward with compressed air.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  What are we talking about?

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  The, the roadster.

• 1:07:40Matt Farah?

  Is what you're saying. It bunny hops, there's.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  It doesn't hop, it goes up and then it moves. I don't know how it stops. It has other nozzles that stop it. But I was like, really? He's like, yeah, it's really, it does that. I'm like, that's insane.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  I, I would be shocked, I mean.

• 1:07:55Matt Farah?

  This is the stupidest sounding thing I've ever heard. If true, and I don't believe it.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  I've heard stupider, but.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  The amount of air pressure that you have to project downward to lift a 5,000 pound car.

• 1:08:05Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't, I don't think this is happening at fucking all. I don't buy it for a second.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  I've been hearing about the levitating roadster for a while.

• 1:08:12Matt Farah?

  From people who lie mostly.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. But this was the first time I talked to an employee and he was, and he was kinda like, he's like, it's a disaster.

• 1:08:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's all I believe.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  He's like, it's gonna crash into all kinds of shit.

• 1:08:25Matt Farah?

  I, I, I, I don't believe any of this. I don't believe any of this is.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  I, I think that they would do, it's danger, like, it's like.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't think.

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  I don't think it's technically possible.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  I think it's definitely possible. You'd blast compressed air out of a hole, you know, Newton's third law.

• 1:08:40Matt Farah?

  Do you know how much compressed air you need to make a fucking 5,000 car, pound car jump into the air?

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  It's gonna be a 3,500 pound, but yes, you need a lot, yeah. But it would, that's, yeah.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  What? What? That's not a thing.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  Uh, well.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think it'd be very difficult.

• 1:08:57Matt Farah?

  Do you know what happens to cars with hydraulics when you make them jump in the air? They rattle themselves to pieces. Nobody would do this in a fucking car.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  It's good, the idea is it levitates. I think it uses like-

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  Why do they want to do this?

• 1:09:08Matt Farah?

  Horse shit.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, why do they want to do it? Cause Elon Musk will say, "I want to do it." And they said, "Oh shit, we gotta engineer that." Yeah, that's why. You know. But look, you have a, you have a, you have a, you know, I don't know, 500 horsepower, whatever the roadster's gonna be motor.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Let's make a bet.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  You can compress a lot of air.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  Let's make a bet then. Do we think this will ever-

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  Two bets.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  Ooh, a bet.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  Two bets. Will it ever be demonstrated-

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  On video?

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Without damaging the car or the ground beneath it?

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  Well, and we have three. Will the roadster ever actually happen?

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Well, that's a different bet. I want to know if this crazy dumb levitation technology will ever be demonstrated as successful, much like the Cybertruck's bulletproof windows. And then, will it ever be sold to the public?

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Uh, this is, again, from a Tesla engineer's mouth, who was like alarmed by it. He's like, "It's worse than that." Cause I'd heard for a while from different people that like, they want it to levitate. And they're, and they're gonna actually put SpaceX rocket nozzles on it and blah blah blah.

• 1:10:04Matt Farah?

  That, that is one of, see, that's where it falls apart. We're gonna put SpaceX rocket nozzles-

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  But there are people that love that. There are people that love that.

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  Saying that bullshit, that doesn't mean a fucking thing. That doesn't mean anything. There's no such thing about a part from a SpaceX nozzle, from a SpaceX rocket that is actually functionally applicable to a car.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Well, unless it's a nozzle you push compressed air out of.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  I think, here's what I believe. I believe Tesla is capable of building a David Copperfield-esque demonstration prototype in which a car appears to levitate, possibly briefly, and do this thing. They will collect a huge bump in their stock-

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:10:44Matt Farah?

  -collect a bunch of fucking fake more deposits from people, steal it, and never build the car. That's what I predict.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  I think it's such a weird thing to do. Meanwhile, like, China has, you know, the crazy articulation with the wheels like lifting up at each corner. Like, did you see the drone?

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  The irony is if they wanted to build a car that did crazy shit, they could just go to China and buy one.

• 1:11:02Matt Farah?

  Right. It'd be done, right.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  Forty thousand dollars. A container ship.

• 1:11:07Matt Farah?

  Three hundred miles an hour, flies, has a drone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  You can buy it in a kiosk there. You swipe the credit card, it comes out of a vending machine.

• 1:11:12Matt Farah?

  Exactly.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  Dude, the guy who like DMs me, like, "I can help you make thumbnail." Like, literally drives one of those.

• 1:11:19Matt Farah?

  He commutes in.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Yes, I know him too, yes.

• 1:11:22Matt Farah?

  Self-driving car that dances and acts as spams and can yump over speed.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Has a karaoke bar built in.

• 1:11:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's 12,000 yen.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  No, 100%. Again, I've been, I'm just reporting what a guy told me. I don't know.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  All right, I'll bet you $50 that it's not demonstrated within.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Cause I don't have any money, but like, I'm, I'm in the hole from this nonsense.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  Fine, I'll bet you a dollar. I'll bet you a dollar that it's not demonstrated within two years.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll take, I mean.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  And I'll bet you $2 it's never sold to the public.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Two $1 bets, but yes, I will bet you, I'll take both those bets.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  All right, great.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  But I'll also bet you a dollar, it just never goes into production.

• 1:11:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the bet. Oh, the roaster?

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna bet against that.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, literally, that, the deposits were 2017.

• 1:12:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, buddy.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  We're in the back half of 26.

• 1:12:11Matt Farah?

  What is, like, what is the statute of limitations on wire fraud? That's what we're gonna find out. The project is canceled.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  That's a good idea. That's really, I mean, it's like, but maybe it's like the Trump phone, like, you know, conceptualized in America.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  Yes, they changed that, oh my God, from made to conceptualized.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Or it was like, it was like inspired by America.

• 1:12:32Matt Farah?

  Someone got an iPhone and it said designed by, in Cupertino and they're like, I know.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  No, you, you saw that Trump phone though, right? It was, it was like, it was like some, I don't know, a Tati or something.

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  It's like a Nextel. Gold Nextel.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  Designed with American values in it. Sorry, that's what it says now.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, so good.

• 1:12:52Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 1:12:54Matt Farah?

  Designed in the middle of a UFC fight while slurping a big gulp and abusing minorities.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  By the way, that, that UFC fight, I didn't know this, it was on Paramount Plus. Nobody watched it. That's like the eighth ranked.

• 1:13:07Matt Farah?

  Deep in the subscription fucking thing. Oh, God.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Cause I'm like, how'd you watch it? Cause you know, I was flipping the channels.

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  That makes perfect sense.

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  And they're like, oh, it's Paramount Plus. I was like, oh, that's Larry Ellison.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what you're hearing.

• 1:13:20Matt Farah?

  Backyard wrestling at the White House. Let's fucking go. We are the trashiest. I told you I saw fucking Terry Crews at the Indy 500.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Oh, did you?

• 1:13:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh, yeah. He was on my flight and I saw him. He was right, he was right next to me in the hospitality. I was all, what's up, President Camacho?

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  What'd he say?

• 1:13:37Matt Farah?

  Shit's a little real, isn't it? He's like, you know it, bro.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  He apparently is a big car guy.

• 1:13:43Matt Farah?

  Well, he was at the Indy 500.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, we made contact with him on for the inevitable to come on. He declined us, but he but the reason why like him, um, there's a bunch of like, I know he's not really an athlete, but you know, there's a bunch of athletes that are super into cars that we were trying to get like Strahan, Michael Strahan.

• 1:14:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, Strahan's well known, yeah, well known. Jersey, big fucking collection out there.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  He's apparently out here. He's got a Morgan three wheeler with the firewall moved.

• 1:14:11Matt Farah?

  That's awesome. An EWB three wheeler?

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:14Matt Farah?

  That's fucking awesome.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  I think it's the same length. They just literally moved the firewall.

• 1:14:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. How interesting. He probably looked hilarious in one of those things like, how do you make it more dangerous? Put his feet closer to the motor. I was I was talking about cars that are where there are extremely dangerous, but the fun of them is worth the danger. And that's what, did you drive the SB 40 thing?

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  No, I gotta drive that.

• 1:14:36Matt Farah?

  When they, when them Argentinians come back, you should have a go. That's another one where it's, there's nothing about it dynamically. It's sketchy, but you are quite exposed.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  But the but the danger is worth the uh, worth the experience.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  I mean, look, I forget they exist, but like I've driven a bunch of Lotus seven and Caterham sevens and Berkom sevens and all those. I mean, it's basically a motorcycle, but kind of more dangerous because you're lower, but they're great. I mean, they're.

• 1:14:59Matt Farah?

  Which my Vespa comes tomorrow.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:01Matt Farah?

  Fucking huh. New Vespa.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:15:03Matt Farah?

  2026, my first brand new one.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  What what's new about it? Is there anything different?

• 1:15:08Matt Farah?

  You saw, remember my green one?

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:15:09Matt Farah?

  My 2020, I sold that one. That's a 300. My new one is the 310.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:15:14Matt Farah?

  It's an all new engine. It's uh, five more horsepower. So it's 26 horsepower now.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  That's like a Renault Duchové.

• 1:15:22Matt Farah?

  It goes 85 miles an hour.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:15:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, it has keyless start.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Would you go on the freeway?

• 1:15:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you could, yeah. Would and do regularly do. Yeah, yeah. Uh, uh, it's got ABS. It's got stability control. It's uh, it has uh, fucking a phone, a USB C port to charge my phone.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Brilliant.

• 1:15:39Matt Farah?

  But uh, it, dude, the new suspension and the new throttle mapping of the new engine are like super luxurious. And I got it. The color is called blue electroco, but it's essentially Mexico.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:15:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:15:53Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be great.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  I am, if you go to my Insta.

• 1:15:57Matt Farah?

  And that's dangerous but worth it.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Well, here's one I'm thinking about. Go down to C D McLaren F1.

• 1:16:06Matt Farah?

  How do you miss it?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Clicking that.

• 1:16:08Matt Farah?

  And red McLaren F1 in red is very good.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  That's from Velocity.

• 1:16:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I heard that was a good time this year.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  You should come. It's really, really fun. Yeah, I got paid to say that, but it's really, it's like that red one. I was riding around in my 10 person golf cart. I almost got in a head on with a McLaren F1. That's the kind of event that is. Keep going, keep going. So that's called like a maving.

• 1:16:34Matt Farah?

  I rode a maving.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I liked it.

• 1:16:36Matt Farah?

  So as a pit bike for an event like that?

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Yes, as a pit bike.

• 1:16:40Matt Farah?

  Perfect. I, so the thing about a lot of these, a maving occupies this weird sort of space between an e-bike and a motorcycle.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Matt Farah?

  It's, you need to have a plate on it.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:52Matt Farah?

  But it's not quite fast enough to really be a motorcycle.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  It goes 75.

• 1:16:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, not with me on it.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 1:16:59Matt Farah?

  I saw 62.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:17:01Matt Farah?

  And even then, the battery goes quickly. So it's, it's, it's to me, it's, it's a good little neighborhood run around kind of thing.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  So I have that. I have that old cake thing.

• 1:17:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  Which goes, it goes over 60. They say 60. It goes a little quicker.

• 1:17:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  And it had a plate and it got stolen and it's such a weird looking thing that nobody really notices.

• 1:17:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But the problem with these e-bikes is, is they're very expensive. The mavings are like 9,000 bucks.

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  Same as my cake. Yeah, same price.

• 1:17:27Matt Farah?

  And, and the vehicle that they're meant to replace, which is something kind of like my Vespa, gets like 70 miles to the gallon. And if it's cheaper, and it's, you know, you're, you're, I get it.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  What did Vespa go for, a new Vespa?

• 1:17:40Matt Farah?

  Well, mine was a very top trim.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Like a regular, yeah.

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  Six grand, seven grand for brand new.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  I just, this is the first one I rode where it's like, it really felt like I was on a bike. Like it actually had, it actually had, um, uh, your right foot was the, was the rear brake. You know what I mean?

• 1:17:55Matt Farah?

  It's motorcycle configuration.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Matt Farah?

  But it's just not quite fast enough for the price for. For me, not quite enough range, but it's beautiful.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel he's, I think he said like sixty miles of range.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Which, yeah.

• 1:18:09Matt Farah?

  Again, if you're out of it, every electric motorcycle I've ever ridden, from my e-bike all the way up to the Harley, the LiveWire. In reality, with someone of our heft on it.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Carriage.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  It's about half of what they said.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Oh, that sucks.

• 1:18:24Matt Farah?

  I got like sixty, seventy miles on the LiveWire and that was it. And that was being pretty chill.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  That's like the original Tesla Roadster. It was like a hundred miles of range. And it's like, I got to like forty and I, I was like, I gotta get back to the fricking place. I, I just really enjoyed riding. Me and Steve, like rode them all around Sonoma. And it was like, I just, I don't know, it just felt good.

• 1:18:45Matt Farah?

  As a pit bike?

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  It was a great pit bike.

• 1:18:47Matt Farah?

  Can't beat it. It's the best. Yeah, yeah. I totally get it as a toy to ride around those type of areas.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  They're in, they're in Culver City, so right here. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go borrow one for a week because why the hell not? But, but I'm also like, I don't want to get like seventy-five on the freeway.

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't ride this on the freeway.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  I wouldn't go on the freeway either, yeah. But I can take city streets.

• 1:19:04Matt Farah?

  My, my Vespa is faster.

• 1:19:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:06Matt Farah?

  Literally.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, I should get a Vespa. I love Vespas.

• 1:19:10Matt Farah?

  They'll lend you one.

• 1:19:11Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:19:11Matt Farah?

  There's Vespa press bikes. They'll lend you one. I'll connect you to them.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  I gotta weigh in my head like, like I'm probably gonna, I know, I sort of know how I'm gonna die if it's not from a heart attack because I'm so fat. I get it, YouTube.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  I, I think like filming a video where I'm like pulling out of a turnout, getting back onto a two lane road, I'm pretty sure that's how I die, you know?

• 1:19:33Matt Farah?

  And you take someone along with you that's hit you?

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're gonna be doing the hitting. So, you know, I'm pretty sure that's the way I go. But also like every once in a while, I have one of some cool press bike and I fall off it. And I'm just getting old.

• 1:19:47Matt Farah?

  Wear a gear.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the other problem is I'm wearing like fucking Crocs and shorts and yeah.

• 1:19:53Matt Farah?

  That is how you die.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  My neighbor rides bikes, been doing it for a long time. He'd had no crashes and we, you know, I've talked about riding and stuff. And the other day he was up in Malibu and someone in front of him at the big turn at stunt, they crashed because they were like overzealous and they're, this guy flew off his motorcycle. Supermochard bounced off the fence and then hit my neighbor on the bike and knocked him off the bike.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  This guy didn't do anything weird or wrong, but he got hit by a motorcycle.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  I knew a dude who was killed, a guy crossed a double yellow. He was parked. It was a double yellow on the street. He was at a light and it was a left arrow and the guy went too fast and like didn't make the turn. Hit him, killed him.

• 1:20:30Matt Farah?

  That's terrible.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  You know, so it's like, it's very dangerous. It's very dangerous.

• 1:20:35Matt Farah?

  That's a good Vespa. A good Vespa and I wear the gear and I try to not be stupid on it and it saves me so much time and so much stress. Getting around the city.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 1:20:47Matt Farah?

  And it's a little bit of being on vacation. The Vespa, you know what the Vespa is? I mean, we started using this expression racing was sort of. The Vespa is my private jet. I'm never gonna have a private jet. So I'm gonna have little bits of luxury in my life that represent private jet. And I, granted, I'm not ungrateful. I have a lot of nice stuff, but that, but the Vespa and me being like, I'm gonna go wherever the fuck I want in 20 minutes. I'm gonna park right up front. I'm not gonna pay a dime for it. That's my private jet.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  Parking up front is sort of the greatest part of all this stuff.

• 1:21:15Matt Farah?

  Driving into the Rose Bowl? Glorious.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. No, but like, I, like my little cake thing, it fits two bags of groceries. It fits dog food. It fits lunch for me and my wife. And it goes 60 miles an hour and I can whip around anywhere I want close to me and it's totally great.

• 1:21:32Matt Farah?

  The cargo box absolutely makes the Vespa. Without it, it's a toy and with it, it's a tool.

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:37Matt Farah?

  Huge difference.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  100% agreed.

• 1:21:39Matt Farah?

  Let's go to the people. Let's see what some of them, they fucking paid to be here, motherfucker. Let's see what they have to say. Of course, if you wanna ask us questions for money like dancing Jewish monkeys. Patreon.com slash the smoke tire podcast.

• 1:21:58Matt Farah?

  The smoke tire podcast is where you ask questions, the live show, then watch the live show. It's where you get the show early. It's where you get the show extra. It's where you get the show without ads. It's where you have access to exclusive collabs and things. I have, we have two new collabs in the work, in the works, not to mention the watches. Everyone should have their notice canyon pink by now. They shipped out last week and. We also sold out, we sold out the Detroit live show in two days.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that's killer. What a great idea.

• 1:22:27Matt Farah?

  That's gonna be really fun for Dream Cruise, so I look forward to seeing everyone there who who bought a ticket. And we will have, we have a date yet for TST plus Smith and Sniff?

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  Uh, August 18th.

• 1:22:38Matt Farah?

  August 18th. TST plus Smith and Sniff in Irvine, California.

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  What you doing with Christian though? That's like, that'll be a great show.

• 1:22:45Matt Farah?

  Christian is the most perfect opener to our podcast vibe and he crushes it. And he's gonna have a great time in Detroit.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  Oh, hell yeah. Oh, he's doing Kiss? What's he doing?

• 1:22:55Matt Farah?

  We don't, we're not saying yet, but it will be appropriate for the occasion.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  MC5, Stooges, Motown. He's gonna do Motown.

• 1:23:01Matt Farah?

  He's got a plan.

• 1:23:03Speaker 01

  He's gonna do Motown.

• 1:23:03Matt Farah?

  He has a plan. So that's, that's, uh, it's sold out, but that's gonna be fun. So thanks to him. Let's go to the people. Uh, she likes a choke to get started, says, as the Luce replaced the Mondial as the most horrific Ferrari.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  The Mondial was never the most horrific Ferrari.

• 1:23:20Matt Farah?

  I agree. I don't think the Mondial was the most horrific Ferrari.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  I saw the most horrific Ferrari. It's that gold thing.

• 1:23:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, I know the, the, it's not a Daytona, but it was.

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  It's like a narty Daytona something.

• 1:23:32Matt Farah?

  Daytona nart special or something.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  It was so bad. That's the most horrific. And also like, you ever look at the first Ferrari?

• 1:23:39Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah. Like the Inter or whatever, 125 Inter, 122 Inter, something like that. Not, not so special. No.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  Uh, that, no, not that, not that, not that.

• 1:23:49Matt Farah?

  That's kinda bad, but not the one I'm talking about.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  No, there's, there's a gold one. It's like, it's almost a shooting brake. It's really ugly. It was at, I'm gonna say.

• 1:23:59Matt Farah?

  It's a Daytona shooting brake.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  Modified version?

• 1:24:02Matt Farah?

  No, it's a 400i shooting brake.

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, this is older than that. It's, it's, it's so bad. But I think it was a one-off, but anyways. Silver Brunei has had worse Ferrari locked up for decades. Several of them.

• 1:24:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, no, the Luce, I don't know if it's horrific. The Luce is just such a miss. Like, just a swing and a miss.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  I think it's unattractive and it's a strange choice. So for me, I think it's kinda horrific.

• 1:24:27Matt Farah?

  Speaking of which, she likes it. And the Subaru outback door says, would the Luceé be less controversial if it was half priced?

• 1:24:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:24:35Matt Farah?

  At 300K and was the entry level Ferrari?

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  I think that was the icing on the cake that it is.

• 1:24:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  It just added sting. You're like, and it's this much, but people still would have judged it.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  At 300 grand, it still looks like a Toyota Crown or whatever, you know?

• 1:24:49Matt Farah?

  Dude, it looks like the Subaru, um, which is the Subaru. Not the Solterra, but it's like the, I don't, it's one of those.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  There's a name for it now, yeah.

• 1:25:02Matt Farah?

  Cadillac Sima Ron Burgundy. These are getting better. These guys are fucking rehearsing.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  That's a really good name.

• 1:25:10Matt Farah?

  As two EV owners, do you think there's a way to convince people of the benefits short of having them drive one for a week? You know what? You're saying really funny. I, Eric downstairs, my GM is, uh, I had a, an EV, uh, the Genesis GV70 EV. And I was like, dude, you're, you'd like this thing. I was like, I want you to take it home for the day, bring it back tomorrow. Just full charge. You don't have to do anything. Just drive. And he was like, no. He said, no. And I was like, he just like refused.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:37Matt Farah?

  Some people will not be convinced.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  Look, I had a dude, a guy from South Africa. I know him and his wife. They're like exotic car dealers. They happen to, they're in town. We're at Newcombs and he was saying how, I don't know, there's something horrible about EVs and I happen to have my truck. I'm like, you want to drive my truck? No.

• 1:25:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  And I go, all right, well, you go for a ride in my truck. And he goes, yeah. And, you know, thing, you know, what a Rivian truck does. And we get back and he's like, I'd like to buy your truck. I was like, get your own. This one's mine.

• 1:26:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:26:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that, I mean, that, um, I think when people, when, when the prices are the same as the equivalent gas car, when people really start to see DCFCs, fast chargers in their, around in their neighborhood. Not just hear that there's more, literally like see them all over the place.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  Like next to the Taco Bell. Yeah.

• 1:26:28Matt Farah?

  There's one, there, when there's one everywhere and it, and it just feels like there's enough chargers and you won't be inconvenienced. Like that kind of thing. Or gas gets to nine bucks a gallon.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Well, you know, I was. Was with Hyundai and they were saying, um, you know, that when the war started from, from February to March, they saw a 39.8% increase month over month.

• 1:26:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Uh, on EV sales.

• 1:26:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  They also said that when gas gets to, it doesn't, not nationally, but locally, when it gets to $4.50, that's the pain point for Americans. And that's when they're like, maybe I should get an EV. I heard it was four times cheaper to run.

• 1:27:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  And so that, you know, it's like when you're $70 a week and gas goes to 110, it's like, oh, that's a lot of money.

• 1:27:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  So, yeah, look, no, you, look, I, we're trying to get Neil deGrasse Tyson on my other podcast and, um, not spiked, inevitable. And that's all I want to ask him is like, you know, how do you explain facts to people that aren't in the mood to believe a fact? Like, I don't think you can, you know, the last, since, you know.

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  He was just on, um, Shannon Sharp's show.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  It's a great interview.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw it. It was fantastic.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  Really funny, interesting. But he said, he's like, when people push back in the comments or wherever, he's like, I'll answer them with facts once. And if I hand them the facts they asked for, and if they literally ask for a picture of something and he gives it to them, and then they still argue with him, he's like, I will not engage with that person anymore because I've given them the fact they requested and they just moved the goalpost.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  And by the way, he's in the fucking comments because the reason I'm talking to him is he emailed me and he's like, hey, you're always making really good points in my comments. Like, who are you? And I'm like, oh, I'm like, we've met before, blah, blah, you know, because I've met him a few times, but I was like, you should call my podcast. He goes, okay. So we're trying.

• 1:28:07Matt Farah?

  All right.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  But yeah.

• 1:28:08Matt Farah?

  Um, Mike Honcho's Playgirl spread. What's the best sports car for big and tall folks? Dude is 6'4", 280.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Well, I'm, uh, I'm 5'10", 260, so I'm.

• 1:28:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I've been that heavy. I'm not that tall, but, uh, 911s.

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  GT, I was gonna say GT3s, 911s. I have a friend who's 6'7" and he fits into a 991.

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  Just M8s.

• 1:28:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, the big body coupes. Um, yeah, the, uh, the two door M8s.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  That new Brabus car, that thing looks cool.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Um, I can, there's a car I was just in, I say it's not.

• 1:28:42Matt Farah?

  Like C7 Corvettes?

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  The GT63, while great in every way, man, you can bash your head getting into that thing.

• 1:28:49Matt Farah?

  Small door opening?

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  Just a head basher of a car, yeah.

• 1:28:52Matt Farah?

  You, yeah, I mean, uh.

• 1:28:56Matt Farah?

  C class or S class coupe kind of thing, you go big body?

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, CL, UCL, that's a, that's a big one. But, um, yes, but you know, but six four. Also, I have a friend who's a, you know, spec Miata racer. He's a lot thinner than 280, but he's six four and he fits fine in a, in a Miata.

• 1:29:14Matt Farah?

  Uh, if you can swing the money, Ferrari FF is pretty roomy.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:19Matt Farah?

  Got a good amount of room in that.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  That's a great car.

• 1:29:21Matt Farah?

  We have a, I have a client who's an NBA player here at the shop and, uh, he has a Ferrari 812. I think the Ferrari 812 is a little short. If you, if you're six four and you're all torso and not much legs, the 812 will be fine. If you're all legs, that's gonna be problematic.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  I love the 812.

• 1:29:41Matt Farah?

  I do too, but the engine is just, I, I am like a half inch short.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:29:46Matt Farah?

  A half inch too tall in the legs to be like all day comfortable in it. It's not too bad though.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  What about Temerario? I fit in every car, so I never paid attention to this thing.

• 1:29:54Matt Farah?

  If you've got Temerario money, it's surprisingly roomy for a small car.

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:29:58Matt Farah?

  Same as Revuelto.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, Revuelto's super comfy, but it's, I mean, you know, it's so funny.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  Oh, R8, cause this person, they're stopping third gen Viper.

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  No, not, not, not the R8, I would say.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  No?

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  I, well, I was, I was thought like Oricons and R8s.

• 1:30:12Matt Farah?

  If you want a Gallardo and you're six four, the R8's as good as you're gonna get.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  And it's, I don't think it's very good.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  I like them.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't think it's very good for size.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  I think the R8's been better for size than the Gallardo or the follow-up Huracan.

• 1:30:24Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't get the Spider because you lose legroom with the, R8 coupe has more room than a Gallardo by a, by a pretty solid margin.

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  I was just gonna say, the, the, uh, the last Revuelto I drove was like 700,000 and the Temerario was 605. So it's like.

• 1:30:40Matt Farah?

  Was it six?

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Six oh five.

• 1:30:42Matt Farah?

  He started with a five and I was like, whoa.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  It's, but if you think about the performance, it performs as well, if not quicker than a Revuelto. So now it's just like, do you want small or big?

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  It's not as dramatic as Revuelto for sure, but the performance, the way it drives is similar.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:02Matt Farah?

  Matt Rear Ends Moms? Not in 30 years, bro. X5 or Land Cruiser for-

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Wait, how do you?

• 1:31:13Matt Farah?

  An anti-bro SUV for dirt roads and snow.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Land Cruiser.

• 1:31:17Matt Farah?

  I mean, really, Land Cruiser.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Land Cruiser. X5 isn't, unless you put crazy winter tires, even then.

• 1:31:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, an X5 will get you up a gravel road, but not a whole lot more than that.

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:31Matt Farah?

  Okay, going top-down with the top-down. After listening to the podcast, we said the best way to learn to drive manual is to just get a manual and use it as your car.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:39Matt Farah?

  I got to thinking about how long it would take to get a reasonable foundation of skills. Is nine hours across a long weekend enough for someone to not be an active nuisance on public roads?

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. That's great.

• 1:31:50Matt Farah?

  Yes. I mean, honestly, if you have a decent teacher, or you go back and look at my YouTube videos on how to drive stick from like eight years ago, you could be, you can go from the parking lot to the road and not be a nuisance in 20 minutes.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:06Matt Farah?

  I mean, you might stall a couple times, but that's not the end of the world. Just don't panic, you know?

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  That's such great advice.

• 1:32:13Matt Farah?

  And try to avoid real steep hills for the first day or two, maybe.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it depends where you live, but look, if you live in LA, hills are a fact of life, like, find a quiet hill somewhere.

• 1:32:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  And practice. And like, what's the worst that's gonna happen? You stall it. It's not, it's not bad. And also, just going with what you said, I used to teach people how to, how to drive stick. What I would do is, I'd take them to a parking lot, and I'd say, "All right, just shut your eyes and floor it for three seconds." And then open it, you know, just, there's nothing to hit.

• 1:32:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  It's not gonna explode, just, just count to three, you know? And, um-

• 1:32:43Matt Farah?

  Floor it in neutral?

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  In neutral? No, just put it in gear, in a giant parking lot where there's nothing to hit, in like a, I was teaching them like a Sentra with a manual. Just like, people just get so freaked out, like, just, just, just get used to just going forward, and then just, you know, stop.

• 1:33:00Matt Farah?

  And, okay?

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:01Matt Farah?

  I'm not sure I understand the floor for three seconds, but that's fine. Go on.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Just because people think like something horrible is gonna happen and it's like, you know, unless you have like, you know, a Ferrari Luce.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  Something clever will happen.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  Unless you have a Ferrari Luce, uh, nothing's really happening in three seconds in a Nissan Sentra or whatever your.

• 1:33:16Matt Farah?

  Hannah, when I taught her, was afraid of the jerkiness. She really is bothered by jerkiness if her clutch timing.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  Learning that's very unsettling when you do that kind of half stall.

• 1:33:25Matt Farah?

  The way to get out of that is actually to floor it, believe it or not.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, or clutching. Clutching or floor, yeah. Just do something in the parking lot where there's no chance of hitting anything.

• 1:33:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  And, and make big crazy inputs and then it's like, oh yeah, okay, it's not bad.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  If you can, like in the parking lot, initiate the jerkiness, like stall it and find out what makes it do that and what happens when you put your clutch in or you add throttle. Cause now you, you've created the problem and you know how to solve the problem. So out in the world, when those things arrive, you know what to do.

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  But nine hours is total, I mean, it should be three full days of driving, but you'll be fine, dude. You'll be fine.

• 1:33:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you, you'll be, you'll be just fine. That's it.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:02Matt Farah?

  Um, well, why is everyone asking about Luce? Is there a reason for that?

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  It's just on the brain.

• 1:34:07Matt Farah?

  All right, all right, it's fine. Um. Pugs in Porsche says, when I pull up at the local Cars and Coffee in my 911 Turbo S, none of the TikTok kids raise their phones. Uh, which cars have the biggest delta between actual performance and fucks given?

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean.

• 1:34:26Matt Farah?

  I mean, the Turbo S is gonna be up there.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  Turbo S. I'd say the Lucid Sapphire is a car that is like so ridiculous to drive. And like, just, I know no one cares about speed anymore, but oh my God, it's so ridiculous.

• 1:34:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like, it's an obscene amount of power and performance and nobody looks at it.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Nobody cares.

• 1:34:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no one cares at all. I would, you could say a Taycan Turbo GT would be the same thing. I mean, pretty much nobody cares and it's obscenely fast.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  Although if you got it in purple, I think people know this.

• 1:34:54Matt Farah?

  You got the eggplant color. Yeah, it'll be okay.

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  Maybe get a purple Turbo S, sir.

• 1:34:57Matt Farah?

  Let's see. So, so really fast performance, there's dude, there's a whole bunch of electric cars that are just like a Rivian. Like, you know, Rivian is, Rivian is, accelerates as fast as an F40. But it's, you know, it's a, it's a Camry around here.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  Much faster.

• 1:35:14Matt Farah?

  Sure, whatever. But the point stands. It's, it's a Camry around here. No one's looking at it.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, yeah.

• 1:35:21Matt Farah?

  I would say a lot of people take pictures of my Myers Manks. It's not very fast, so that's the other way around, you know?

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  But that, it's true, like Turbo S is like, for some reason, people know not to care, because it's weird.

• 1:35:32Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Like, they'll take a picture of a GTS over a Turbo S, because it's sort of, I don't know, it's weird.

• 1:35:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, 911 Turbo Ss are about the fastest things around.

• 1:35:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:43Matt Farah?

  And in a city, well, in this city.

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  In this city.

• 1:35:46Matt Farah?

  In a few, in New York, in Miami, in LA, maybe San Francisco, they're not that special. Bring one of them to fucking Cleveland, and you're the king of the world.

• 1:35:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I had something in, outside of New Orleans, and it was like, oh yeah, it was a Hellcat. I had a Hellcat, a four-door, a Charger, and like, you would have thought I was like...

• 1:36:05Matt Farah?

  Well, certainly down there, you are the king.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  Brad Pitt, it was crazy.

• 1:36:08Matt Farah?

  But, you know, I drove a silver Carrera S that wouldn't get two looks in LA, you know, all over the South for a week. I was a rock star.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:16Matt Farah?

  Everything's relative.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  Do it again in a Hellcat.

• 1:36:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, okay, I'll run G, uh, no, hang on. Uh...

• 1:36:26Speaker 01

  How do you decide which ones to, to, to read?

• 1:36:28Matt Farah?

  Zach does a first scan, and then I do the ones I think would be most entertaining for the audience, honestly. Um, okay.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Speaking of dancing monkeys.

• 1:36:39Matt Farah?

  Micah Moore says, "You guys are automotive journalists, you get to drive a lot of stuff. What is the best way for the average consumer to test drive a more expensive car they're interested, such as a Cayman GT4 or Z06, to gauge whether or not it's what you're going to enjoy? The most expensive car I've owned to date is in the 70 to 100K range. Uh, two good ways I can think of, Turo, if you're, if it's in your city, you'd be surprised what you can rent.

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:06Matt Farah?

  Uh, or a plate, going to Vegas and going to a place like Dream Racing. Dream Racing's got like 40 awesome sports cars there, and you can go back to back to back to back on a track with a, and they haven't paid me to say this, I just like their operation, with like, well-prepared sports cars on a track, and you can decide for yourself.

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  Track's pretty fun, you get right seat instruction, and they'll encourage you to go pretty quick.

• 1:37:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're good, good instructors.

• 1:37:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:30Matt Farah?

  Operation, well maintained cars.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:32Matt Farah?

  You can, you could figure it out for yourself, couple hundred bucks. If you're talking about buying a six figure car.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:37Matt Farah?

  Spend a few hundred to learn how it drives.

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  I have a friend who got, recently got into a four, five, eight. And he said that's how he decided on it was he went to the one, I think in Vegas, he said. And just drove everything and liked that one the best.

• 1:37:48Matt Farah?

  That's a great way to do it.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I, it's been so long since I couldn't just like, you know, make a phone call and get a car. But I, I did find a way, like before I was doing this professionally, I always, and it was just through like, meeting people.

• 1:38:00Matt Farah?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:38:01Speaker 01

  And like just talking my way in like, oh, I'd love to drive your C5, Z06, or whatever it was.

• 1:38:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, if you're, if you're charismatic enough to make those kind of friends, starting from zero.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:11Matt Farah?

  Good for you.

• 1:38:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:12Matt Farah?

  That's a way, but if you want to just, you know, really learn and, and you just spend a few hundred bucks.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:16Matt Farah?

  That way.

• 1:38:17Speaker 01

  Or just, you know, just listen to us, we know what we're talking about.

• 1:38:19Matt Farah?

  That too. Uh, Avenged Lotus Sevenfold, pretty good. Clarkson recently wrote in his GT3 Touring review, which I just read in the Times, that he was obligated to hate the nine 11 because May and Hammond loved it so much. Are there cars you don't like mostly because your friends all like them? No.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  Not really. I, I, my friends, no, my friends have pretty good tasting cars. I remember when I got into this business though, I was like, and Jethro, we had the same conversation. I was sort of like, went out of my way to find things about nine 11s I didn't like. Cause I was so bored of reading how.

• 1:38:56Matt Farah?

  Same.

• 1:38:56Speaker 01

  A nine 11 is perfect. You know, I kind of M3s kind of fell into that a little bit, M5. But, um, you know, driving this touring is like, it's a perfect car. It's annoying, but it's just like, it's so freaking good. It's so good. It's just so good. I mean, I, I, that's why I'm going crazy about the price. There's nothing else bad to say about it.

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  I mean, we hate the SF90 because you like.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:17Matt Farah?

  I heard, I heard he was.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  And I, and you, and you hate the GTD because I like it.

• 1:39:21Matt Farah?

  And. I don't hate it. I don't hate the GTD. I think the GTD is very cool.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  I just, I just love it.

• 1:39:27Matt Farah?

  A good example of a car that, that where I changed my opinion of it when it was placed into a greater context.

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  It's, it's funny, again, I, I, I thought nothing of it until I drove it, like basically back to back with the ZR1X. And I was like, this is the greatest car in the world, so.

• 1:39:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, go buy a C4ZR1. That's the username and also good consumer advice. I'm starting to venture down a path of a business around collector cars. Can you talk about the pitfalls of mixing hobbies and business?

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  You're the expert there.

• 1:39:55Matt Farah?

  I mean dude, we talked about, you know, they'll, some people will jokingly say, if you do what you love, you never work a day in your life. And like, that is not true at all.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  I've got five articles I'm laying on.

• 1:40:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Hannah, Hannah got me this T-towel that's more accurate that says, if you do what you love, you never work a day in your life. And never work a day in your life is crossed out. And instead it says, work extremely hard all the time with no separation or boundaries and also take everything extremely personally. And that is much more accurate to actually how it goes.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  That's for you.

• 1:40:28Matt Farah?

  That's for me. But I have like problems. I'm like a mental case. So I, you know, that's a different story.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I'm lucky that I don't, I mean, I get a lot of hate comment. Like in fact, you scrolled past some where people are making fun of me. And I, it's just water off my back. Somehow I learned, like, I don't give a shit. I don't.

• 1:40:46Matt Farah?

  Well, that's a nice thing to know.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, it depends on the business, right? If the business is buying and selling cars, then a pitfall of that business could be that every car is a dollar sign and maybe you don't enjoy the cars as much. If the business is a service business, maybe you end up hating having to fucking serve these people. If your business is content creation, maybe you don't really realize what that type of business actually looks like. I don't know. You're asking for pitfalls. There's upsides.

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's great upsides. I've seen people fall into the influencer role. That's an easier way to do it where you just say nice shit about cars. But then you find yourself saying really nice shit about terrible cars for money. And you feel bad at the end of the day. And I know, I know people this has happened to.

• 1:41:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  And, you know, they.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  This is the 2026 thingy thingy and it's got five seats and wheels and it's just like.

• 1:41:37Speaker 01

  The Luchese is a very considered design. Did you watch all those influencers of the launch?

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  There's a couple of people that, you know, they call their content reviews and it's not because there's nothing negative said about it. And they're, they're basically commercials.

• 1:41:49Matt Farah?

  I, I actually wrote an article about.

• 1:41:51Speaker 01

  How like, you know, you actually need car journalists because of the, the, the viral videos for the Luceé where almost every single influencer, they all said like, oh, the design, the exterior design, it's very considered. And then they got right into the inside. And like, that was the talking point they gave them.

• 1:42:10Matt Farah?

  You think that's from the press release?

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  I was, they all did workshops with like Johnny Ive and he was sitting there going like, well, we considered everything. We considered the aerodynamics and, you know, for an EV, you know, it has to look like this because aerodynamics are the most important thing, efficiency. And it's like, no, no, you chose, bro, to make it look like that.

• 1:42:27Matt Farah?

  I mean, he isn't like, you're not wrong. Even aerodynamics are very important when it comes to, but there's a lot of ways to make a car aerodynamic. You're still for Ferrari, you're expected to style the car.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  I mean, I've told this story probably on the show five times, but when the Senna was being shown at Geneva, I was with McLaren and we drove from Woking down to Geneva, right, to look at the Senna. And we'd all, the picture leaked and no one can believe it was that terrible looking. And we saw it early before the, the actual, you know, release and it was, and I had a picture on my phone and it was just awful. And we're drunk at the Intercontinental in Geneva and Nico McBrae, the drummer from Iron Maiden, walks in with his buddy Ian Callum, Sir Ian Callum, right? And, you know, he was, he'd had a few drinks and I'm, I'm just looking at this like horrible Senna on my phone and I'm yelling at all the McLaren guys, including, oh, what's his name? Robert, oh my God. He was the head of design, designed the Senna.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  And he's 6'6" and used to be a boxer. He could like literally pound me to death. And, and Ian walks over, he looks at my phone and he's just listening. He goes, it didn't have to look that way.

• 1:43:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  You chose to make it look that way. Didn't have to. And that always will stick with me.

• 1:43:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  Like the Luceé, you could make an aerodynamic car that does, in fact, I would argue the, the Lucid Air, which is a gorgeous car, is more aerodynamic than the Luceé.

• 1:43:52Matt Farah?

  It probably is.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's point two. Yeah. I don't think you can, with tires, I don't think you can go lower than that. And the Mercedes EQS is also point two. Looks very bad.

• 1:44:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, what was that crazy Mercedes EQXX thing? But that's, that's like a long tail concept sort of deal.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could do a long tail. You could do a long tail. You know, you could do stuff like that.

• 1:44:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it doesn't have to.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  Doesn't have to.

• 1:44:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  You chose. It's a consideration.

• 1:44:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's very considered.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  But anyways, yeah, so don't be an influence.

• 1:44:19Matt Farah?

  Christian says, what percent chance the Genesis magma gets made and keeps that design?

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  Very high.

• 1:44:25Matt Farah?

  Decent?

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  I would say B plus.

• 1:44:27Matt Farah?

  Decent.

• 1:44:28Speaker 01

  I didn't, could you pull it up, Zach? I didn't take a huge, long look at it.

• 1:44:32Matt Farah?

  I think it's pretty good looking. It's a nice looking car.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  I, I just meant like, does it, you know, does it not have rear view mirrors? Is it on 25s?

• 1:44:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, does it, does it have mirrors?

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  Got side mirrors.

• 1:44:43Matt Farah?

  Let's see. Taylor Swift. That looks like a race car.

• 1:44:49Speaker 01

  That's production intent.

• 1:44:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that looks like a race car. There, oh, that's the convertible?

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  No, that's it.

• 1:44:54Matt Farah?

  That's it?

• 1:44:54Speaker 01

  Go to the hard side.

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  Thumbnail has led me.

• 1:44:56Matt Farah?

  I thought that, that looks like a race car. That's a GT3 version of it. Well, yeah.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:01Matt Farah?

  Ah, there it is. There's a lot, a lot I like here. I see some Koenigsegg influence. I see some Ferrari 296 in the rear three quarter.

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  This is a little Porsche 918.

• 1:45:12Matt Farah?

  Little, little. A little Porsche 904 maybe even.

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:45:16Matt Farah?

  But look, look, here's.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  That's a fucking hot looking car. I can't, I can't see the mirrors, but let's just assume you can put real mirrors on there. Those are production wheels.

• 1:45:25Matt Farah?

  It's got normal mirrors. It's got regular mirrors, regular brakes, door handles.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  I mean, a hole for gasoline, brake lights.

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  Very good.

• 1:45:33Matt Farah?

  No, this is production.

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  That's a nice.

• 1:45:35Matt Farah?

  So, that's a real enough looking.

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  The story going around about this car is a bunch of people are speculating that it's a C8 Corvette underneath because of the tire has like a TPC spec, which they have C8s have.

• 1:45:47Matt Farah?

  Interesting.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  And people like were lining up, you know, picture over picture and seeing the hard points. But.

• 1:45:52Matt Farah?

  Were the hard points supposedly the same according to the internet?

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  And then the interior has like a tunnel to it. But I was, I was wondering if.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  That was the old one. That was not this one. That was the older one.

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  That people were talking about.

• 1:46:03Matt Farah?

  I read a thing where they had built this prototype on a stripped down C8.

• 1:46:07Speaker 02

  That's what I thought people might be missing. It's like, it's a rolling proto, it's not a prototype. It's like a concept car that might be rolling on a C8.

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  But it's not, this one just came out last week. There was one from a year ago.

• 1:46:18Matt Farah?

  Was it the orange one from before that was the C8 one?

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the one.

• 1:46:21Speaker 02

  I saw a lot of people, I saw it and you're all fine.

• 1:46:22Matt Farah?

  I don't know. This looks like pretty legit to me.

• 1:46:25Speaker 01

  You nailed it with the Konigsegg, like the size of the cabin, you know what I mean? The size of the door is not Corvette.

• 1:46:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't think just the tires themselves is a giveaway, because they could have just bought whatever tire was gonna work for their application.

• 1:46:39Speaker 01

  They probably, I mean honestly, they probably had a Corvette they were evaluating and they're like, they're like, are those 20 and 21 staggered? Throw them on and then internet nerds, oh, I found the secret!

• 1:46:49Matt Farah?

  But this is a very nice looking car. I mean, I certainly hope they make it. I think it's got some Valkyrie, some Konigsegg.

• 1:46:55Speaker 01

  Super cool.

• 1:46:56Matt Farah?

  A McLaren Elva, maybe in that side door?

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  Oh, all kinds of good stuff. I mean, like, I love like the pods for the, you know, the fenders and the hips. You could say that the tailpipes are kinda Corvette-y, but also all mid-engine cars sort of have pipes that have to exit immediately out of the headers.

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  I mean, I think this is a stunning looking car.

• 1:47:13Speaker 01

  Pretty cool looking. I wish, I wish there were better lit photos.

• 1:47:17Matt Farah?

  The dimness is a feature, not a bug here, I think, but, yeah.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:47:21Matt Farah?

  Oh, hell, please make it like that.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:47:25Matt Farah?

  A quilted fucking One Piece console and dash is super sick, actually.

• 1:47:30Speaker 02

  The article I found a couple of months ago about the orange car in the C8, but if this was a C8 underneath, I would be so happy, because this is what I wish the C8 looked like.

• 1:47:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you spiker'd up a C8, dude. That's rad.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Spiker meets like a leather daddy.

• 1:47:44Matt Farah?

  That looks great.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  Is that a manual? No.

• 1:47:47Matt Farah?

  No, it's a, it's a Frautamars manual, but it's okay.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  That's fine.

• 1:47:51Matt Farah?

  It's okay.

• 1:47:52Speaker 01

  That's fine.

• 1:47:52Matt Farah?

  I'm down with this.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  No screens?

• 1:47:55Matt Farah?

  I'm fully down with this car.

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  Almost no screens? Little tiny screen?

• 1:47:58Matt Farah?

  Minimal screen.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:48:00Matt Farah?

  This is good.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  What a good looking car.

• 1:48:01Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:48:02Speaker 01

  I mean, Genesis should do this. It makes all the sense in the world.

• 1:48:05Matt Farah?

  Right. This is, this is a cool looking car. Would fuck with it.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:48:10Matt Farah?

  Love it.

• 1:48:11Speaker 01

  I didn't realize, I, I just assumed it wouldn't have mirrors, it would have bullshit wheels, and this is production.

• 1:48:16Matt Farah?

  Looks pretty, pretty real to me. Yeah. Uh, let's see. Uh, wait, hang on. Keep going, keep going. Keep it going. We don't need a bunch of this. Keep it going, keep it going, keep going.

• 1:48:31Matt Farah?

  Uh, don't AMG whiz on the electric fence. What cars or other stuff would you like to film or cover? But don't because it would be SEO death so much. Chinese cars?

• 1:48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, look, I, I, I kind of pigeonholed myself by just doing what I've been doing for the last 20 years on my YouTube channel and like just new cars. Every time I deviate from like a brand new car. I did a Diablo GT. They made 80. It's the greatest fucking car ever made. There's literally like, it was a GT3 a year before the GT3 came out. Like cricket.

• 1:49:09Matt Farah?

  I drove one too. Curated fucking cars.

• 1:49:11Speaker 01

  That's the same car.

• 1:49:12Matt Farah?

  Instant death.

• 1:49:12Speaker 01

  John, was it John's or the one they bought?

• 1:49:15Matt Farah?

  The orange one.

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  Okay, no, no.

• 1:49:16Matt Farah?

  It was the orange one. But it was death. It was, they got fucking eight, nobody gave a shit.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  Greatest car in the world, right? Yeah. So old cars.

• 1:49:23Matt Farah?

  Fun things we do. The fucking road trips, all the off-road stuff. All cars go to heaven. Like anything we put the littlest bit of effort into being entertaining is death.

• 1:49:33Speaker 01

  I, for some reason, off-road stuff is okay as long as it's new. If it's new and off-road, that's fine. But yeah, I, I did a food one. I did, me and Sang did Beth Pastrami in LA and like it was so much fun and like no one watched. It was like a thousand views or something.

• 1:49:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  That makes sense. You've done enough videos where your channel is like, it's cars. So if people don't click on a food thing, then it just kills you.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it just, you know, it's, it's just, I, I, this is when I was like, what am I gonna do with this channel? I'm like, well, the only things that have ever worked have been like new Porsches. Like people seem to like that or like if I do a Rivian anything, they like that. If I do.

• 1:50:09Matt Farah?

  People will go to, there's, it's so fragmented that people go to different people for different shit. We're so disproportional. Someone, some, someone somewhere was trying to pitch me their analytical tool for the podcast and was like, your podcast is the most, is the biggest destination in America for, for the Porsche 911. Like it just did. And I was like, okay.

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:50:33Matt Farah?

  We, you know, just happened, just so happened.

• 1:50:34Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:50:35Matt Farah?

  So.

• 1:50:36Speaker 01

  This is why we wanted to hate them.

• 1:50:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Right? Uh, let's see. Uh, uh, uh, two more. Cruise along at half speed and then money shifted gears. What features make a car unrepairable by garage mechanics? Lock DCUs, software stuff, you know, you need the dealer computer.

• 1:50:54Speaker 02

  Right to repair.

• 1:50:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  Always pay attention to that when it comes up. It comes up every year. They're trying to make uh, gatekeep, you know, new cars from being repaired by independent shops and dealerships want that because they want the service revenue. So.

• 1:51:06Matt Farah?

  Custom tools, like cars that require, like my box required a special tool set that dealers had, that not even every dealer could buy.

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:51:14Matt Farah?

  Wanted to buy to work on my box, stuff like that. Uh, like.

• 1:51:18Speaker 01

  Carbon fiber.

• 1:51:19Matt Farah?

  Dude, my, my Porsche, like my spider, like you can't do anything in that car unless you have a lift. Because all the under trays have to come out and like, yeah, like nobody would go through the headache of like jack standing this car and under tray, all the, just to change the fucking oil. Like it's not even worth it.

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  A lot of cases now, it's, it's the computing power needed for diagnostics. It's not even the ECU thing. It's way before that, just plugging it in and trying to get the right data to know what's wrong with all, one of the many 2000 sensors.

• 1:51:47Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:51:47Speaker 02

  Is, is hard and expensive.

• 1:51:49Speaker 01

  I think like aluminum body panels and carbon fiber body panels is just becomes, that's a real specialty. Like if you have to like, you know, replace a carbon door, that's like.

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  Sea Lotus.

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just hard to do. It's just really hard to do.

• 1:52:03Matt Farah?

  Wrapping it up with the ham sandwich. Going to Barrett Jackson in Columbus as a birthday gift to my dad. Should we get the bidder's pass even if we don't plan on bidding? There's extra perks.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:52:14Matt Farah?

  I'm a firm believer in never go to an auction without a bidder's pass. You never fucking know.

• 1:52:19Speaker 01

  If, if, if the bidder's pass is what I'm thinking it is, and that's where you can just climb on stage and stand there. That's the way to do, that's the only way to do Barrett Jackson. It's really fun.

• 1:52:29Matt Farah?

  And there may be drinks, uh, you might get, I, I, when I went to Barrett Jackson in Scottsdale.

• 1:52:34Speaker 01

  That's the one.

• 1:52:35Matt Farah?

  And I got the biggie.

• 1:52:36Speaker 01

  That's the one.

• 1:52:36Matt Farah?

  And I got, I bought a ticket. I got a bidder's pass and a ticket. They gave me 10 drink tickets.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:43Matt Farah?

  Ted.

• 1:52:44Speaker 01

  They want you hammered. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. How else are you gonna make the decision to buy the $300,000 Chevelle?

• 1:52:50Matt Farah?

  You know how shitfaced I'd be on stage to Ted Drake?

• 1:52:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh, that's, that's, yeah, they love that.

• 1:52:56Matt Farah?

  I'd be buying garbage.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  I, yeah.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  Let's go for 500, sure.

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  Barrett is, I was actually telling someone about this. I, I've done so many weird things at Barrett. I don't, I have no idea why, cause that's not my demo.

• 1:53:06Matt Farah?

  I bought sheets there.

• 1:53:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:08Matt Farah?

  In the fucking sideshow.

• 1:53:09Speaker 01

  I did the live broadcast for two days. I was Magnante.

• 1:53:13Matt Farah?

  Don't even remember it.

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but um, I, I, one time was signing autographs there, like Motor Trend, remember Motor Trend used to run Barrett? And they're like, okay, you're gonna go because you might have to be on stage again, but while you're there, sign autographs. And there was all these people that were like, getting my autograph and like, and you are?

• 1:53:32Speaker 01

  And I'm with like, you know, like I forget who it was, but like, you know, Finnegan.

• 1:53:37Matt Farah?

  The roadkill guy.

• 1:53:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever it was.

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  They're just collecting autographs as quick as they can.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  Here's a guy standing next to, I can't remember who I was with, like Magnante or Finnegan or whatever, but it was, I had to stand there for like two days. And sign autographs in Scottsdale.

• 1:53:48Matt Farah?

  For people that had no idea who was autograph.

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  Literally none. No one, no one knew me. And it was great because it'd be like, one person waiting for me because they were just drunk enough to like, oh, just stand here and get an autograph. And like 50 deep for whoever.

• 1:54:00Matt Farah?

  There's a guy signing autographs. It must be somebody. They wouldn't just let anybody sign these posters.

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  Turns out they did, but I was paid to stand there.

• 1:54:06Matt Farah?

  That's crazy. Corporate gig.

• 1:54:08Speaker 01

  It was, it was a way to do it.

• 1:54:10Matt Farah?

  That's our show, folks. Thanks for joining us on this adventure tonight. Johnny, Driving with Johnny on YouTube, you know the deal.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  On the 20th of June, my Mercedes VLE review goes live.

• 1:54:23Matt Farah?

  Fucking be waiting for that live drop.

• 1:54:25Speaker 01

  Hey, I'm just letting you know.

• 1:54:26Matt Farah?

  I'm a VLE, baby.

• 1:54:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, what do we have going on, Zach? We don't have, do we have anything to promote right now? Not today. Go enter to win our 2025 911 Turbo S.

• 1:54:36Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:54:37Matt Farah?

  People, that video that we made, like the six people that watched it really enjoyed it.

• 1:54:42Matt Farah?

  I got a very, a couple of very.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  I think I watched it.

• 1:54:44Matt Farah?

  It wasn't, it was a good video, but, but uh.

• 1:54:46Speaker 01

  I watched that.

• 1:54:47Matt Farah?

  But we, we, what we did get was a lot of entries into the contest. So that's, that's doing, that's doing well.

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  That, that thing hasn't been auctioned off yet?

• 1:54:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, the game ends August 20th.

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  You know what? 25,000 views for a hiking video.

• 1:54:58Matt Farah?

  That's surprising. That's surprising.

• 1:55:01Speaker 01

  Take that.

• 1:55:01Matt Farah?

  But uh, we're gonna uh, do a couple more videos with that car that's coming, but go get your entries in. And I've also, it's, it's gone well enough so far that I'm in chats with them about doing another one for next year. And maybe.

• 1:55:15Matt Farah?

  We had an idea where we would give away two cars, a matching set of cars to one winner.

• 1:55:20Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Okay, so like

• 1:55:22Matt Farah?

  It would be

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  The same car or like an SUV and a sports car done up in the same style?

• 1:55:28Matt Farah?

  An old car and a new car with familial connections to each other.

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  Old Camaro, new Camaro.

• 1:55:33Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  Or something similar.

• 1:55:34Matt Farah?

  Yes. Camaro's, definitely Camaro.

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  Dude, I wanted a version Camaro so bad, that's why I threw it out there.

• 1:55:40Speaker 01

  I mean, they're beautiful.

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  It's the best design from that era.

• 1:55:44Matt Farah?

  But like, we're not doing Camaro's.

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  You're not doing Camaro's?

• 1:55:47Matt Farah?

  No, probably not.

• 1:55:47Speaker 02

  Come on, we gateway you into muscle cars, man, with the revology. Now imagine if it sounded good but drove worse. It was made poorly.

• 1:55:56Matt Farah?

  I would be down for like a crazy IROC build if we had the like the pay, if we were doing like a full Detroit Speed IROC build with like an LT4 and a full chassis and like all that, but like, what are we doing over here?

• 1:56:12Speaker 01

  Hasn't the Camaro banana production for like a couple of years?

• 1:56:14Matt Farah?

  I'm talking about an IROC. Yeah, but I mean

• 1:56:17Speaker 02

  No, but you're right, the new one's also

• 1:56:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, no, no, we're not, we're not doing Camaro's.

• 1:56:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:56:20Matt Farah?

  Breaking news, they're not doing Camaro's.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  Zach is doing Camaro's.

• 1:56:26Matt Farah?

  Uh, that's our show, we'll see you later, good night.