#642 - James Li

James Li is an independent journalist, podcaster and content creator known for his investigations into corruption and fraud. He hosts his own show “51/49” on YouTube. James joins Theo to talk about corruption he saw firsthand while working in Big Pharma, how our news and social media are being influenced by foreign interests, and what the Epstein documents revealed about America’s ruling class. James Li: https://www.instagram.com/5149jamesli/ ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Acorns: Go to http://acorns.com/theo to get your $20 bonus investment today. Good Ranchers: Go to https://GoodRanchers.com and use code THEO for $100 off your first three orders. Jolie Skin: Go to http://jolieskinco.com/theo to start the year with better water. Ship Station: Go to http://shipstation.com use use code THEO for 60 days free. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Theo Von?

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• 0:41Theo Von?

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• 1:25Theo Von?

  Get your tickets only at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R. It's Return of the Rat. It's still, I know, that you, like, this rat has returned so many times, but I've just got to, I gotta make sure everything's running smooth for the special that has been so far. So I'm excited to get down there. Reminder, guys, that you can get video versions of our episodes now on Spotify as well. Today's guest is an independent journalist. He's a content creator. He has his own show, 5149, that's on YouTube. We got into a lot. I'm grateful to sit down today with Mr. James Lee.

• 2:26Theo Von?

  You look good. Good as I'ma look today, dude.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought about wearing the bucket hat, but I'm like, I gotta switch up the hats. You know what I'm saying? I always, usually I'm wearing the bucket hat. Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 2:34Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, dude, I almost wore this beekeepers hat that I got.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, Whitney Cummings, one night at the Comedy Store, I think she was going through something and she gave me a full beekeepers outfit.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:47Theo Von?

  Yeah, for no reason. It was like, she's like, I got something for you. And then she went and got a beekeepers full.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55Theo Von?

  Like beekeepers outfit out of her trunk or whatever.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  The last beekeeper scene that I saw was like from that movie Begonia. Did you see that movie?

• 3:03Theo Von?

  I haven't seen it yet. Is it good?

• 3:05Speaker 01

  It's dark.

• 3:06Theo Von?

  Really?

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Like really dark. Like, I'm like this, I was not ready for this. I was, I was not.

• 3:11Theo Von?

  Like, you mean perversion or sensuality or like, what are you talking about dark? It's just like, uh?

• 3:16Speaker 01

  I mean, the plot line, just like humanity, just like the, the, what are they called?

• 3:23Theo Von?

  Malice or whatever?

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Well, they're trying to do like cultural commentary.

• 3:27Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  And so I'm like, wow, this is not a, it's like, cause I deal in it all day long. So I'm like, I don't need a movie. I like my movies to be like chill.

• 3:34Theo Von?

  Right.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Like rom coms and, and comedy.

• 3:37Theo Von?

  Madagascar.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, those kinds of things.

• 3:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:41Theo Von?

  Uh, Sierra Leone or whatever, some of that.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  I don't know what that is.

• 3:44Theo Von?

  Well, I was just thinking of other African countries. It's crazy because there's like Madagascar and then there's Hotel Rwanda. So that's always been, like Africa, it gives you like some polar opposites if you pick the wrong African area.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:57Theo Von?

  Off of your, uh, you know, the Netflix.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  I've never been to Africa. Um, oh, there, actually, can I tell you this story before we get going?

• 4:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Just a real quick story. Okay, so.

• 4:06Theo Von?

  No worries. James Lee, good to see you today. And is it Lee?

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:09Theo Von?

  Okay, good.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  James Lee.

• 4:10Theo Von?

  Tell me your story, then I'm gonna ask you a question.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. So just quick story before we start. I just have to tell you the story. Okay, so this is like a few years ago. Me and my buddies were in Europe. We're on this Euro trip and this is like two of my best friends, and this is like the type of people you meet at your first job. Like, it's a really, really shitty job where you're, like, we're literally like call center with a headset. Everybody's yelling at us all day. So we're like, hey, one day when we get out of here, we're gonna go to Europe.

• 4:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Uh, we're gonna do this Euro trip type of thing, like the movie.

• 4:37Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  And we did do that. So finally, a few, you know, years and years later, we had a chance to do that. And we were just going out and partying every single night.

• 4:44Theo Von?

  In what country?

• 4:45Speaker 01

  This is in like Spain and Portugal. But after like seven to 10 days of this. Um, we're like, dude, I think my liver's shutting down. Like, we have to stay in for, for a night. Like, we're gonna die here. So then we stayed in and that night, so we were just scrolling around, um, whatever. It was like Netflix or some, some streaming thing that I don't, I don't remember. And that night, we ended up binge watching this show called Deal With It. Do you remember that show?

• 5:12Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  I was a host on it. Yeah, I know. That's, that's how I tell you the story.

• 5:16Theo Von?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  We literally watched like 10 episodes of Deal With It.

• 5:20Theo Von?

  How stoned were you guys?

• 5:22Speaker 01

  We, I mean, I don't wanna say.

• 5:24Theo Von?

  I look like a scared person in that picture. It was just crazy.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  And so, so then we made a pact right there. We're like, hey, if anybody starts doing weird shit, like, you just gotta go with it for a little while. Like, just, just see what happens, you know? Don't shut it down right away. But I, but that was, so it's a full circle moment from like many years ago. I was like, watching this show. That was my first introduction to Theo Von was this show. I don't know how proud of you are on the work on this show, but, but it was very, it saved my life.

• 5:49Theo Von?

  Oh, really? Kept you off the, yeah, off the streets of, uh, of Lisbon.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:55Theo Von?

  That's beautiful. Some beautiful streets they have there too, though.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  They do.

• 5:59Theo Von?

  Lisbon's so nice. But, um, dude, no, the show was fun. I didn't have much input. That was kind of the tough part. Like, you were just kinda like screwing around. And then I also just realized I look like that lesbian lady from, uh, what's that band they sing like, um? Life is a highway.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  Oh, is it Rascal Flatts?

• 6:17Theo Von?

  Yes. I looked like that lesbian lady from Rascal Flatts, actually. Pull Me Back Up?

• 6:21Speaker 01

  I was not aware there was a lesbian lady in Rascal Flatts.

• 6:25Theo Von?

  And maybe that's rude to say that. Yeah, pull her up.

• 6:31Theo Von?

  Pretty close, huh?

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean.

• 6:35Theo Von?

  Oh, there is not a lady in Rascal Flatts.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  I don't see a lady in Rascal Flatts. I was like, is that the lesbian?

• 6:40Theo Von?

  I don't know, dude. My bad. I have no, I think, I think I'm thinking of somebody else, dude. Whatever. All right.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Okay, anyways.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  That was, yeah, so then that was, that was like the first time I ever saw who you were.

• 6:52Theo Von?

  Oh, interesting, bro.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  I don't know how far along in your career at that point that was, but.

• 6:59Theo Von?

  That was probably 13 years into my career, probably. And, um, yeah, Howie Mandel gave me a job there and thank you so much, Howie. That was fun.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, for people who don't, didn't watch the show, it was like, it was like a hidden camera show where there's like contestants and then one of them has like an earpiece and you're telling them what to do and the other person has to like go along with it.

• 7:18Theo Von?

  Right.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  They're doing weird shit. Just like, hey, floss at the, at the, at the restaurant, you know, table.

• 7:23Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  And then like, or like go eat somebody else's food and there's these challenges that you would have to pass. And if you make it, if the other person is like dealing with it, then they would earn money.

• 7:31Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  And so that's when me and my buddies were like, all right, hey, man, just, just in case we're ever in that situation, you, you just go with it for a little while.

• 7:38Theo Von?

  I can't believe you guys stayed and watched that, but yeah, you'd find just two strangers walking down the street. You'd have already pre-set up at a, at a restaurant.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Was that real though? Or is it, were the contestants really like, hey, I wanted those two people? Or were they like pre-screened and then?

• 7:50Theo Von?

  We would pick people that were just kind of going in or coming by. A lot of times you'd try to get people and they wouldn't, they just wouldn't understand or want them. Yeah, you'd always want them to go to the bathroom and then you'd go ask the other person who's at the table like, hey, will you be on this game show? We're doing a game show in here today.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:04Theo Von?

  And so it was a lot of craziness. The craziest thing that ever happened on that show was one time there was a couple walking down the street and we invited them in. Cause you, you'd be like, hey, well, we're giving away free appetizers or something. So they come and sit down and then one of them would go to the restroom and that's when we'd ask the other one, hey, we're going to put an earpiece in your ear. We're going to start telling you things to do. If you're a friend that you're here with, when they come back from the bathroom, you know, if they don't notice that you're doing weird shit, like the more you can get them to deal with, the more money you make.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

• 8:31Theo Von?

  But one time it was, we, so we put the earpiece in this lady's ear. The guy going to the restroom, he comes back and sits down and the guy was a pimp and she was a working girl.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Really?

• 8:44Theo Von?

  So she starts doing this crazy shit and the pimp starts getting like threatening this lady like, I'm going to whoop your ass. Like, and we're like,

• 8:54Theo Von?

  this isn't going well, really.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  And it did not, that, that episode didn't air, right?

• 8:58Theo Von?

  No. And that's one we should have aired.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 9:00Theo Von?

  You know, um.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Well, it's in the vault somewhere. Maybe Howie can pull that back up or what?

• 9:04Theo Von?

  I mean, it would be, it'd be wild if he did. Oh, I think if we aired the ones that didn't air, that'd be, that'd be pretty wild. But yeah, there was definitely some, there was like some ridiculous moments on there that were pretty great. Uh, but that was one of the wildest ones and we just had to shut it down because it was like an endangerment to the lady or something.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:19Theo Von?

  But anyway, um, James Lee, good to see you.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show. Appreciate it, man.

• 9:26Theo Von?

  I appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. You live in, um, do you say where you live? California?

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Yes. I mean, I, I tell you, I live in San Diego. That's, that's about as specific as I'll get, you know?

• 9:38Theo Von?

  Yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. I first learned about you like just in some clips online. I was like,

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:43Theo Von?

  Look at this like investigator, you know? I, I feel like a lot of investigators now and a lot of people are getting kind of their news, um, from guys like you, uh, Nick Shirley, um, Hassan Piker, Candace Owens clips. Um, I, I just feel like it's becoming a lot more from social clips that people even get their news.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  For sure. And I would, I would even say that I'm not, like an investigator, I think is like really generous of what I do. Like I like to expose rich and powerful people, but it's like, there's like a network of investigators. Like we're all leaning on each other to like somebody's find something. I'm like, oh, that's great. I'm going to put that in my video. So there's a, there's like a lot of information sharing that goes on. So I don't want to take credit for being like, you know, a guy that's like in, you know, there's like real, real investigators that are literally pouring through, like document after document. And sometimes I'll do that, but it's just like, it's just me. So I don't have the resources to be able to do that a lot of times. So it's like, there's like a collective network of like decentralized journalists or creators.

• 10:44Theo Von?

  That's a good term.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  In that space. Yeah.

• 10:46Theo Von?

  Decentralized journalists. Yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like we don't work for one particular news organization, of course. So like we all have our own editorial freedom, but there's like alignment in terms of we want to just expose rich and powerful people.

• 10:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Or like.

• 11:00Theo Von?

  So that feels like your, like sort of your theme is the expose, exposure of the elites.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Elites or businesses, right? I talk a lot. A lot about private equity and how they're basically buying up all the houses or they're taking over, you know, certain industries like the hospital industry or I did one recently that was on there buying, there's a private equity company buying all the sports rinks in in the Northeast. And because they want to make more money, they were making rules in their contract when you sign your kids. It's like, it's like youth hockey. It's not like elite, you know, hockey. It's like kids playing hockey. And they're signing, making the parents sign this contract saying you can't film your kids while they play hockey because they want you to sign up for this $50 a month subscription service that they own, that they want to like, it's like, if you want footage of your kids playing hockey, you gotta sign up for this.

• 11:50Theo Von?

  Oh, like it's a max prep thing or something like a?

• 11:52Speaker 01

  It's like, it's just, it's like, it's a company called Black Bear Sports. Black Bear Sports Group and they own a ton of ice rinks in the Northeast. Yeah, this one right here.

• 12:06Theo Von?

  Wow, they banned parents from recording kids hockey. We changed that. Okay?

• 12:10Speaker 01

  So, so, yeah, this is so they, I, I saw this article. I'm like, I gotta blow this up, right? Because a lot of people aren't going to read this article.

• 12:15Theo Von?

  Right.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  So then, yeah, I feel like it's my responsibility to say, hey, this is a big deal because this is just them price gouging parents. Like you're taking a moment of joy from these parents, like they just want to, you know,

• 12:28Theo Von?

  You want to watch your kid practice and you're watching him.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Exactly. And then now you want to paywall that and make them sign up for $50 a month, which is like more expensive than, you know, Netflix and all these other companies. So you're basically like taking advantage of their parents' love. It's like, yes, of course we want our kids, you know, record of our kids scoring a goal. So I'm going to pay for that. But it's like, is that good? Is that, you know, is that the right thing to do?

• 12:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, like at what point is there, do we decide, hey, we don't need to make a dollar off of this, right? There's an actual human value here that's worth more than some ownership or that's worth more than like the rights to something. And then how weird does it get once you start giving away the rights to film your own kids? And then it's all, you know, like how long before a drone is in the sky? And if you want footage of your kid playing in your yard, you have to, you know, email the The drone and pay a fee to get a certain clip of your child on a swing. Because if you pull your own phone out in your backyard, it won't work anymore because you didn't pay a subscription fee. You know what I'm saying?

• 13:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sounds dystopian.

• 13:29Theo Von?

  It sounds dystopian, but where we're getting now sounds dystopian. You know, in some places anyway, and in some ways for sure. How did you get into kind of, let's say investigative journalism? Like, what spurned you to become someone who kind of wanted to expose?

• 13:47Speaker 01

  So you want, I can give you like a short version or like a slightly longer version. Cause, okay, so I'll, I'll, I'll try to make it succinct as possible. So like many, so this is like when I was a kid growing up. I was, I think I was in elementary school. My mom asked me, hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? And I said, teacher. She's like, what? And I said, yeah. And he's like, why? And I said, well, summer breaks, duh. But that wasn't so, so like for me, that was the joke reason, but really I love just like, I have this natural curiosity for things. I love learning about stuff and I love telling other people about stuff. So like that's, to me, that's a teacher. Like what I do right now is like teaching in a sense of like, I'm reading, you know, basically like one chapter ahead and then I'm, I'm learning about stuff like, wow, this is really cool.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  I want to share that with the world and hopefully you can use that information to better your life. That's, that's my hope. I never obviously did that. I, I worked a bunch of different things. And like I was saying, I was working at a call center, just, just random startups. I didn't go anywhere. So then maybe about 10 years ago, I was talked into applying to business school. So then I went to NYU. I went to the full-time MBA program at NYU.

• 14:57Theo Von?

  You lived in New York?

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Couple of years, yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  It was cool. I mean, it was cool for a little while. I actually didn't like living in New York. It was like just too, too much for me. Like the stimulus was.

• 15:07Theo Von?

  It's a lot.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was better back then. Now I go back, I go back probably a couple of times a year because I still have friends out there and I visit them. And when I go there now, I'm like, whoa, this is like sensory overload for me at this point. But anyway, so I went to business school and I actually wrote my essay because that was when I was applying to business school is when Bernie first started running. His 2016 campaign for president and I was a big Bernie guy and that's when I first learned of like, oh, wow, the Democratic Party is not so democratic. Like, I'm sure you know some of the stories about him getting screwed over by the DNC and

• 15:39Theo Von?

  He got railroaded. He won some primaries and then they pulled him out. They pulled him out.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Well, they, well, they, they gave like, for example, they, they gave Hillary like access to the, the debate questions ahead of time. They were rigging all the rules against Bernie, just like, and then they were creating smear campaigns that originated from the DNC, like the Bernie bros. That was like a DNC manufactured smear campaign to say, oh, Bernie Sanders is racist and a sexist. That came from the DNC themselves. That wasn't like an outside group saying that.

• 16:08Theo Von?

  It could be.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  It's like, it was never an official DNC. Nobody said it was an official DNC contract. It was a leak that came out later on that said, oh yeah, they made that up.

• 16:16Theo Von?

  I wouldn't, I would not be surprised. I mean, either way, his, his own party railroaded him. His own party did not give him.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  No, yeah.

• 16:22Theo Von?

  People wanted him and they did not give the people what they want, which is really the most undemocratic thing.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  That was, I mean, that was the race that we were supposed to have. Like that was, that's one thing that makes me sad. It's like, we were supposed to have like the populist right Trump, populist left Bernie. That was supposed to be the election.

• 16:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  And that was going to be like, that would, imagine that fight right there. That would have been, that's what the soul of America is all about. Instead, the Democrats got like the most establishment candidate, Hillary Clinton. Nobody wanted her. But anyway, so around that time, um, I was going, I was applying to business school. So I'd seen all that happen. So I wrote my essay going to business school. I was like, hey, I want to work in the news business because I want to improve. You know, the, uh, the way we report the news. And so I went to business school. So immediately I got in there, they're like, I don't think you're going to be able to get a job at a news agency because you don't have any experience. So why don't you do consulting instead? Apparently anybody can be a consultant.

• 17:14Theo Von?

  That's true.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  And so, um, so they're like, no, seriously, I was like, I have no, none of this background. So like, credit to consulting firms. Like if you go to the right school, they will hire you as long as, you know, you do well in the, the interviews and things like that. So I became a consultant, management consultant for four and a half, five years at a big four consulting firm. And it just so happens, coincidentally, so then COVID hit, like maybe a year after I started working in consulting, and it just so happened that I was working for a big pharma client at the time. And so COVID, big awakening for, I think, a lot of us. I mean, for me, for many other people, because at first I was like, one of the people who was okay. I was like, all right,

• 18:00Speaker 01

  we gotta stay inside. We gotta lock down. We gotta stop the spread, right? Who doesn't want to stop? I was like, I'll stop. Yeah, let's stop the spread. Let's do that. And then it was then the mask and then eventually the vaccines. But then over the next course, like maybe a year, year and a half, things started coming out that was like weird. It was like, what the heck is this? Like, they seem to be contradicting themselves. And you had that whole Joe Rogan debacle of the ivermectin, when they said it was horse pace, when there's like a human version of it, that obviously he's not taking the veterinary medicine.

• 18:29Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  So then I saw that, but then I was on the inside. I was literally like, okay, something weird's going on. And then I got to do, so this is the year, I think it was like 2022, right at the beginning of 2022.

• 18:40Theo Von?

  And you're working for a big pharma company at the time as a consultant?

• 18:43Speaker 01

  As a consultant, yeah. My specialization was supply chain. So I was doing projects, like optimizing inventory. So it's like, how much product you have, based on how much you're going to sell and how much you're making, because you want to have the right amount, right? If you have too much, it's going to be, there's going to be leftover, it's going to expire, you're going to have to throw it away. If it's not enough, then, you know, you run out of stock and you can't make money, right? So you have to have the perfect amount. So that was, that was my job. And a lot of it was like making PowerPoints, you know, spreadsheet PowerPoint work.

• 19:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  And so then we did this project at the beginning of 2022 for this big pharma client. I can't say which one for legal reasons, but it was one of the manufacturers of the COVID-19 vaccine. And one of the projects that we did was looking at the totality of the inventory they had within this product. And we went to them with this, with the, with the report saying that by the end of this year, and this is, so this is, once again, 2022. So then, everybody who wanted to get the vaccine had taken it by this point. It was, because 2021 is where it came out. It was about a year after that. People had already gotten their first couple doses. And so we, we let them know, it's like, hey, it looks like you're going to have a few hundred dollar, or sorry, a few hundred million dollars worth of inventory. At the very least, depending

• 19:56Speaker 01

  on how you calculate it, it could be more, worth more than that. That's going to be left over the end of the year that has no demand against it, meaning. You're not gonna be able to sell it. Nobody's buying it. And then, a few weeks later.

• 20:08Theo Von?

  You're gonna have product left on the shelves.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  You could have, well, yeah, exactly. Nobody's buying this. And then a few weeks later, I see the CEO of this company go on to CNBC or one of these news, you know, companies, news shows, and he says, well, I think it's time to do like another booster shot. And so then to me, I was like, holy fuck, this is, this whole thing is, is, I can't do this anymore. I was like, I'm out.

• 20:32Theo Von?

  So they created the booster because, oh, we have extra leftover, of course.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  I mean, people say that, but then they'll call you a conspiracy theorist for saying that because they're saying, no, there's scientific backing to this and that. But I'm on the inside. I'm like, this doesn't look, this is, this seems like a pure financial decision.

• 20:46Theo Von?

  Dude, Magellan was a conspiracy theorist, wasn't he?

• 20:49Speaker 01

  What, for going around the world?

• 20:50Theo Von?

  Well, no, who's the guy that prophesized that there was another place to go sail to?

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Well, Columbus was the guy that said the world is round and I'm gonna go the other way. Right? People going one direction. He's like, I think I can get around to the other side. That was Columbus.

• 21:03Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Columbus. That's the original reach around right there.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:07Theo Von?

  First of all, let's just say that, dude.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Um, but at that point, I, I thought, man, I think I'm contributing to evil and I don't want to do this anymore.

• 21:14Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  And eventually I, I got out. There's, there's a whole story of like me getting let go because I was saying, I started getting more rogue at work, you know, just like saying stuff you're not supposed to say.

• 21:24Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Just milling around the water cooler?

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it's like powerful, you know, the, the, the, the elites of the company, you know, the people who are really high up. And I started saying stuff that was like, I think was correct, but it was uncomfortable for them to hear.

• 21:41Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  And then, and then I get brought into like a meeting. It's like, hey, do you, you know, what's your future look like here at this company? Where do you see yourself? That kind of thing. And then I was put on a, um, performance improvement plan shortly thereafter. That people who know, yeah, people who work in corporate America will know what that is, right? It's basically their way of firing somebody without legal.

• 22:02Theo Von?

  Right, they try to show that there's steps.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, they say like, oh, we're not firing this person for any other reason other than poor performance. Except, um, you know, they, they said I was doing like typos. It was like really-

• 22:14Theo Von?

  First of all, what Asian is doing typos?

• 22:17Speaker 01

  I mean, there-

• 22:18Theo Von?

  Not even to make it racial or whatever.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna say there aren't typos. There's sometimes there were typos.

• 22:22Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  But-

• 22:23Theo Von?

  But that's more of a, uh, that's certainly more of a general Caucasian problem.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  You talking about Epstein with the typos on the emails, or?

• 22:30Theo Von?

  Oh, that's a good point, huh?

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Like, the whole thing is typos.

• 22:32Theo Von?

  He didn't even want to commit to, you know, complete, completing a word, you know?

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was very bizarre. I mean, this is getting off track, but very bizarre how he typed was like, there's commas, but then there's three spaces after that.

• 22:43Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, it's like, it's almost like he wanted to show that if the case ever tried to show this, it wouldn't match up with anything else, you know? And that's when you're in such a state of like, uh, protecting yourself, like outsmarting the world. Um, so then, at what point do you start? Cause you started making clips first and then you started 5149, that's your podcast.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  So I, so I started, um, the, so when COVID hit, I actually just started doing videos on YouTube just cause I had more time on my hands and I was just like, I'm only looking at some of this stuff. So I started doing like one video a week on the weekends. I was just like, you know, there's shitty videos. There are still a lot. People can look for them. They're not very good. But it's just me looking into stuff. Um, so then, um, after that, I started doing more and more of that, um, putting stuff on- Yeah, making content. So I was on YouTube and then, and then I started posting on TikTok. And then Instagram.

• 23:31Theo Von?

  And Rogan shared something here, or mentioned it one time.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  He, yeah, he, he shared something. It was actually a really funny clip because I was wearing my bucket hat. And, and like, I think it was like Shane Gillis or somebody. He was like, yo, oh, that's the clip right there. Yeah.

• 23:44Theo Von?

  Let's see it.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  That's my number one source of news. What I sent Jamie yesterday, you, you wanna get mad? Yeah. Let's get mad.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Let's get mad.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  The LA Fire Fund, you know, they had this big show, big fundraiser. They raised a hundred million dollars. James Lee did a thing about it on Instagram.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  Uh oh.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  The way they distribute the money is so crazy. You're gonna, you're gonna read this and you're never gonna wanna donate to charity again. Listen to this.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  I watched this, I looked into it a little bit. We'll watch it, but I, what they say though is that within the first month, they distributed half of that money.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  Hold on, before you press play on this. I also don't trust this shit. That guy with the fishing hat is not a reliable news source.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  So that's the whole thing?

• 24:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's awesome though. But I remember this thing, I remember like, oh, so this guy's catching on. People are curious about this guy. People are adapting to, I think, what they feel like is genuine, even if it's just genuine curiosity. I think people are, you can, you know, there's something inside of you that will attract to it, right? And people also, I think they're truth seekers. It's like, you know, water seeks like a comfortable level. So it's like, um, that's how people work, kind of finding you and being like, oh, well, there's something here that's real, you know?

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Well, for me, I'm literally like the definition of a person who is just a regular guy. I don't think I'm too like smarter than regular people. I was like a decent student, but never the top student. Like I, I'm not, I'm not a good reader, but what I'd had was this kind of like curiosity. And one thing that I do think I'm good at is like just recognizing patterns of like, this, this, this, this, and I'm like, oh, these kind of all fit together. It's like, there's, there's like a logical pattern that's happening here. And so I'm, I'm just a little definition of a guy who imagine just like, hey, we're gonna make you like an anchor in the news. Like, and then you're gonna be able to say whatever you want. And that's just me. So like, I have no editorial, um, sort of control from other people.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  It's just like, whatever I'm interested, I'll do a video on that. And there's nobody really to tell me, you can't do this, you can't do that, other than of course, like getting deplatformed.

• 25:54Theo Von?

  Right, which happened.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, which, which did happen, but other than, yeah.

• 25:57Theo Von?

  Happened recently on TikTok.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:59Theo Von?

  We'll come back to why that happened. If I could go back in time and do one thing, I, I think I would invest. That's what I would have done. At the time, I didn't know, I felt like I didn't know enough. Oh, I don't have enough information, or I don't know how to get the right information. What do I, you know, I don't know where to start. But I wish I just realized that a lot of investing is just time in the market. So many of us focus only on where our money is today. Acorns is the financial wellness app that cares about where your money is going tomorrow. Acorns is easy. You can sign up in minutes and start automatically investing your spare money, even if all you've got is spare change. That's what I love about Acorns is that they

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• 27:22Theo Von?

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• 28:06Theo Von?

  Full stop. I've met these guys and we've talked about how they're one of the only meat companies dedicated to keeping things sourced in the U.S. They've got all the cuts of meat. They've got this and that and poultry and thighs and filets and nugget. They've got it and it's good. I'm a subscriber. You can be too. Subscribe now to Good Ranchers and get free meat. Yep. Just use code Theo to get $100 off over your first three orders. Go to GoodRanchers.com and use code Theo. That's GoodRanchers.com. American meat delivered. They are the truth.

• 28:48Theo Von?

  What about the fires? Have you noticed about it? Like, has there been some rabbit holes you've gone down with the LA?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  The LA, so the Palisades fire specifically was, was now it's, it's very much proven with facts that it originated from another fire that started 10 days earlier. I don't know if you've heard about this. There's another fire that started on New Year's Day. They said it was like fireworks. Somebody was there and there was like a smoldering. So the firefighters had come and technically put it out, but the residents there, and I've talked to a couple of residents there, they're saying, no, there was still like smoke emanating from the brushes. And, and then seven or eight days later, that's when the big fire came in with the wind and it like whipped everything back up.

• 29:29Theo Von?

  That's the same thing that happened in Maui. A fire was put out. The police stayed there all night with it, thought it was out. They were, they waited there all night until like, I think until like two, four, 4 a.m. or something. And then they went home. They said there's nothing left. In the morning, the winds kicked up and that's when it got to another level. Anyway, go on.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  And Gavin Newsom was saying stuff like, oh, we can't, couldn't have done that because of vegetation. There's like some environmental reason why they couldn't go back in. It was like kind of bullshit. So now the state's getting sued because they're culpable for it. And they even said, this is like a couple of weeks after the fire had started, the deputy fire chief said, There's no way this big fire was started from the other fire because we put that fire. That fire was dead out and now it's not dead out. Spencer Pratt has been really big on this in terms, he's running for mayor of LA and he's all over this.

• 30:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm seeing that. Um, so who says the small fire caused the big fire and who says it didn't? So what, do we know what really happened?

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, no, there's now, there's now evidence that definitely came from, from the first fire. So now the state is getting sued by, I can't remember who the, I don't know.

• 30:31Theo Von?

  Because what did they do?

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Well, what they did was they, it was negligent because they didn't follow the procedures to put out the fire.

• 30:37Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Because they knew that there was still smoldering. I think there's records of this, but they couldn't go in for vegetative reasons or whatever it is. And so now they're in trouble because now the damage that's been caused to the entire Palisades community. Yeah, see, there it is.

• 30:52Theo Von?

  One year ago, just after midnight on New Year's Eve, a small brush fire broke out in Topanga State Park, above the Pacific Palisades outside Los Angeles. Within hours, the Los Angeles Fire Department arrived on scene to begin digging hand lines to stop its spread. The eight acre fire ignited by a 29 year old former Palisades resident, who has since been charged with arson, was quickly brought under control. By 4:46 AM, the department declared it fully contained with no further updates anticipated. But the fire was never fully extinguished. A week later, on January 7th, it reignited and burned more than 23,000 acres, destroyed 6,800 structures and killed 12 people in what became LA's worst urban wildfire catastrophe. And I'm guessing that was the Palisades fire or?

• 31:33Speaker 01

  That's the Palisades. That's the Palisades. There's another big fire, the Eaton Fire, which is in Altadena.

• 31:37Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  That one was caused by PG&E because one of the power lines fell down. Yeah.

• 31:43Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  And so they're getting sued right now for that.

• 31:45Theo Von?

  Wow. But can a fire smolder for that long?

• 31:50Speaker 01

  I've been told, yes, it could smolder for a number of days, even weeks. It's because it's really dry there. There hadn't been rain for a long time. I even looked, there was like literally NASA satellite imagery of like, you could see like the hotspot. Like, and it, and it doesn't necessarily have to be like smoking from my understanding. It could be like under the, the earth, it could be like hot.

• 32:12Theo Von?

  Right.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  And then any kind of wind condition, you could like. I don't know how it really works from a scientific perspective, but it's like starting a fire. It's like starting a fire in a campsite. Like you can, under the right conditions, the fire will start. So I think the issue here in terms of the liability is that the fire department is supposed to go back in and check it to make sure that it has been put out.

• 32:30Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  And because they didn't do that, the liability is now on them in terms of the damage. I mean, there's billions of dollars of damage now, which opposes, I mean, which is contradictory to what they said, which is like, the fire is dead out. We did our job.

• 32:43Theo Von?

  What were they saying was the original cause of the fire?

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Well, they said it was just like an act of God. It was like, you know, there's no way to stop this because it was so crazy, the wind and...

• 32:51Theo Von?

  Poseidon or whatever.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:53Theo Von?

  Zeus did it.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And this is what Spencer Pratt's been going on. But he's like, this is not like just some crazy thing. It could have been easily preventable if you guys had done your job.

• 33:02Theo Von?

  Well, what was the issue with the fundraising? Were they giving the...

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Oh, the fundraising? So there's actually, I think they're getting sued as well now. Because that was like from like six or eight months ago when I was doing that video. But what happened there was like they, they collected a bunch of money from this like concert, right? This like a benefit concert? And they're supposed to go to the fire victims. But then, when you do like, when you partner with the nonprofits, a lot of that money first just gets absorbed by the nonprofit for like administrative things.

• 33:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, holiday parties, shit like that or whatever.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Exactly. And then, from what I understand, like I've talked to a few residents, like we didn't see any of the money. Like, how do we get this? And then the, there's people or organizations that can sign up to get that money distributed to them. And there would be other companies like diaper companies or whatever it is, like services.

• 33:51Theo Von?

  Diaper companies?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  So like, for example, they, these companies come in and say, well, we can help distribute diapers to residents that have lost their homes. But then now that creates another bureaucratic step for, if you've lost your home, like you just want a check, like just give me some money so I can like survive. I don't want to go to this organization to like collect a diaper because I have a child. It just makes things like way more complicated that way.

• 34:13Theo Von?

  Understand. So it's a lot of, they'll donate it to these other places, maybe a friend's charity, whatever this is.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly.

• 34:18Theo Von?

  And the next thing you know, it's been distributed to all these different spots and there's not any actual...

• 34:21Speaker 01

  And then the residents, they don't know like where the spots are. And so it's a lot easier for them to say, hey, this is the deed to my house. It burned down. Can I collect like $5,000 or whatever the distribution was?

• 34:30Theo Von?

  Right.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  It would be a lot easier to do it that way. But the people who organize this is the Ballmer Group, which owns the Clippers and the stadium in LA.

• 34:38Theo Von?

  But you think they would want to then do the most, uh... Human thing then if it's a they're they're owning the the Clippers you know what I'm saying? They want the fans to come to their games.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Well, they I think they thought they were doing the humane thing, but it's like I think it's just that the the corruption of the system is like, well, we have all these charities that we already work with. So let's like bring them into the fold of this. But it's not like the best solution. The best solution is just to give people the money that need the help.

• 35:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  But then now they're just enriching, you know, the people who are their friends, like all their, you know, partners that are doing all these nonprofits, they get a little bit of a cut as well, you know, through this process. You just want a little cut.

• 35:12Theo Von?

  Yeah. In its report, the House Judiciary Committee stated money went to left-leaning pet projects, illegal aliens, and the administrative costs related to running nonprofit organizations. This is from CBS News. You had examples of funds used for voter outreach efforts towards political advocacy groups, towards podcasters, fungus planning. Those examples are pretty troubling. I do want to be clear, there were many organizations that got funds, nonprofits that are certainly very worthy nonprofits.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  I think there was one I was talking to Aloe Black, he was because he's involved, his house burned down. And he was like, I don't understand why the the what was it? The Community College of like Pasadena is getting money for this like they didn't like, why do they need money?

• 35:54Theo Von?

  Right.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  I don't know. So it's I think it's more of like, hey, if you want it to maximally benefit the people, you would do the right thing and you just give the money to the people like show that show a record that you own this house.

• 36:05Theo Von?

  Right.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  And then come and collect your check versus all this bureaucratic shit where people can take it. They're just trying to the problem with California is like they want it they had there ever there's problems that they need to solve, but they need to create the solution. Always involves like people being able to like stick their hand in the cookie jar and taking a cut here, taking a cut there. And then by the time the money goes to the people who need it, it's like a lot less of it.

• 36:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Actually is there.

• 36:27Theo Von?

  There's no dessert left, really.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:29Theo Von?

  For the people that need it most. Oh, wait, Robertson is an attorney representing Palisades fire victims in a civil case against the city. He says public records obtained by the LA Times add credibility to his claim that the Lockman fire was not properly extinguished. Okay. A new report from LA Times claims the Los Angeles Fire Department tried to protect Mayor Karen Bass from reputational harm. It was smoldering right on the top of the ground and we have numerous hikers that took video that called 911 that still took photographs.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  So they're definitely, there's so much evidence that the fire wasn't properly put out.

• 37:04Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  So they're under, I mean, the state of California is getting sued because technically I think it's a state land.

• 37:09Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  And I think now, it's funny, I heard Spencer talking about this, Karen Bass is like trying to join that lawsuit against Gavin Newsom. She's like trying to, you know, she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm also been wronged in this situation as well as it was Gavin Newsom. They're all pointing fingers at this point.

• 37:29Theo Von?

  I mean, that's Malibu, uh...

• 37:31Speaker 01

  But then, okay, so but then the, I want to do, the outcome of this is like many homes being burned down and then corporations coming in to buy these homes.

• 37:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  You know, if you, I think you could probably look up a stat, like more than 50% of houses that have been purchased in LA after the fires were purchased by corporations.

• 37:47Theo Von?

  In fire districts or just anywhere?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  No, no, in the, the fire areas that burned down. I saw that there was a headline for, of this for sure.

• 37:55Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Like, the houses that have burned, I think, not of just regular.

• 38:00Theo Von?

  Understood.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Homes, I think.

• 38:02Theo Von?

  Let me see if we got that.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  We've got to fact check that.

• 38:04Theo Von?

  Investors are buying close to half the empty lots in LA burn zones, report says. That's a conclusion researchers with the online real estate listings platform Redfin reached in a new report published Tuesday. Analyzing transactions in LA County burn zones during July, August, and September, they found that about 40% of Pacific Palisades vacant lots went to corporate buyers in both Altadena and Malibu. About 44% of such vacant lot sales went to investors. Huh. I wonder though, is there some benefit, maybe they're putting it into... Just a business or an LLC. I wonder if there's some other benefit of doing it that way. You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe there's a different, maybe it's insurable that way.

• 38:48Theo Von?

  And maybe regular homes. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wonder if there's something else that adjusts that.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  I don't, I mean, if, I don't think so. I mean, it seems like, at the very least, you could argue the size of the investor. Are they BlackRock? Or is it like some person who owns like five homes?

• 39:02Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Right? That, that could be something to discuss, but it's certainly not people who live there. Like, if you want your home and you live there, it's not like that. It's not like for your family. It's like this guy's buying the home to like rent it out or to flip it or something like that.

• 39:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Which isn't ideal for, you know, homeownership. And, you know, you want people to live in the home.

• 39:23Theo Von?

  Yeah. And you can get a home state exemption that way. I mean, I just, you know, or there's different things, like if it's your primary residence. Oh, before I forget, yeah, what, what got you deplatformed? Let's talk about that. And then let's get into the Epstein stuff, because that's kind of current and we'll

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:36Theo Von?

  Uh, go down some rabbit holes here with the, uh, with one of the lead hairs here.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  For sure. Um, well, so TikTok, they never tell you why you're banned.

• 39:46Theo Von?

  Yeah, none of these places kind of do.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  No, you don't know. They just, one day, you're banned. Some people have warnings and strikes before they're banned. I wasn't in that situation. I had a good standing account with no issues and all of a sudden I was banned. I was banned twice, actually. So the first time I was banned, you can only now context clues. The first time was when I did a video about how our FBI director, Cash Patel, might be getting honey potted. You know, people have been talking about that. I don't know. I, I never said, I was just reading, you know, other people's sort of reporting and who she was. And it's like, hey, this seems like kind of a weird relationship. Like, does she work? You know, she's working closely with PragerU, which is basically like an Israeli-run outlet. There's an intelligence officer that runs PragerU, so is she involved in that?

• 40:32Speaker 01

  And then it got banned after that. But then I was able to get that restored, actually, through a friend who knew somebody at TikTok. They're like, okay, I think we can help get you back on. So then I was back. And then the next time happened very shortly after I was named antisemite of the week by that group, Stop Antisemitism.

• 40:51Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, of the week? They're doing the weekly?

• 40:54Speaker 01

  They are.

• 40:55Theo Von?

  I didn't even know that they're doing it weekly now.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  They're doing it weekly, yeah. Yeah, there you go.

• 40:59Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, there you go. I remember Tucker Carlson was on this, too.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:02Theo Von?

  Um, who won? Did you get into?

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Tucker won.

• 41:05Theo Von?

  Tucker won.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. He, I mean, he was just in Israel. I don't know if you saw some of that interview with him and Huckabee.

• 41:11Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, I did, dude. It's definitely pretty baffling.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:13Theo Von?

  What was one of the takeaway from the Huckabee interview that you found interesting?

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Well, I, I thought it was really interesting how Huckabee was just being so open about what the project is there. He's like, yeah, I want Israel to take the whole thing, like, because Tucker was saying, hey, based on-

• 41:26Theo Von?

  About Gaza, you mean?

• 41:28Speaker 01

  About, not Gaza, no, the whole Middle East, basically. He was, because he was talking about how, based on scripture, this, this whole land is like the Greater Israel project. And he's like, oh, yeah, you have a biblical right to do this, and, and, and are you okay with Israel taking the whole thing, which includes other countries like Jordan and Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, Iran, all these countries? And Huckabee's like, yeah, I'm good with that.

• 41:52Theo Von?

  Yeah. I mean, it's pretty baffling. I mean, Huckabee just really, it feels like he's more of a politician for Israel than America.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Well, that's certainly the case.

• 42:02Theo Von?

  I mean, he's the ambassador, right?

• 42:04Speaker 01

  He is the ambassador, but he also met with Jonathan Pollard, who's the spy, convicted spy.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  You know, traitor to America, and he met him on the, at the American Embassy in Jerusalem, which is, you know, I mean, it's pretty fucked up.

• 42:18Theo Von?

  I mean, yeah, unless he was, yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  There was actually a clip, and he was like, I didn't meet with, there was not a meeting, or he was like, it wasn't a meeting, but I meet with people all the time. It was more of like, I was there with him. Okay.

• 42:32Theo Von?

  Call it what you will.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:33Theo Von?

  Uh, so-

• 42:35Speaker 01

  But I have a theory around this, because I was like, why was, why would he even want to do this? Why would they want to telegraph it so nakedly to people? And basically say that, yeah, Israel controls American foreign policy. That's kind of crazy thing to do. And my, and then why was Tucker even allowed to do, do this interview? And I have this theory of like, basically, both parties, the Democrat and the Republicans, they need to create these release valves for the base in order to keep it intact. Like, they have that on the, the left with like Bernie Sanders, AOC. I see them as kind of a release valve to, to, to get people back in the Democratic Party fold.

• 43:11Theo Von?

  Right.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Instead of going to a third party, something else, you know, like the last election in Michigan, they had this, um, non-committed vote in Michigan. Where people really, because they didn't want to vote for a Democrat because they're supporting the genocide in Gaza, and they voted for this non-committed party line, like, I'm not gonna vote for anybody. And that was actually a Democratic Party, um, move to insert that in, because if they didn't vote the uncommitted, they would have voted Green Party, and they didn't want vote, uh, people to vote Green Party.

• 43:41Theo Von?

  I see. So they created this other thing that made them feel some type of way, but really, it was owned by the, it was owned by the Democratic Party.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Exactly. So it was.

• 43:47Theo Von?

  Right. And they both do that. I think you're right. On both sides, there's like.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  And Tucker is the release valve, I think, on the right, where it's like, people are kind of fed up with the whole, like, prioritizing Israel before everything else. So Tucker is, creates this, like, okay, at least somebody's saying this stuff. So like, we feel a little bit better.

• 44:05Theo Von?

  But do you think he's an instrument of the Republican Party to do that?

• 44:08Speaker 01

  That's the, I mean, I wouldn't know. You would have to ask him about that. I think he's, from my understanding, I only know people who know him. I don't, I've never spoken to Tucker, so I don't know what, you know, I don't really know anything about him. But I think, in general, he seems to me, from the outside looking in, sort of a guy who wants to do the right thing, report on the right stuff. I think he really feels really bad about the Iraq War. I mean, you've spoken to him, so you can tell me more. Like, it seems like he's remorseful for the fact that he was such a big champion of a war that got, like, a million Iraqis killed, thousands of Americans created, you know, geopolitical chaos.

• 44:39Theo Von?

  He mentioned that in the Huckabee interview, some of that. He mentions, he mentions that kind of stuff a lot.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:43Theo Von?

  To me, he seems genuine. I mean.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  But he could, it doesn't mean, but he could still be used by the party apparatus.

• 44:49Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  It's like, yo, you want to do this interview, we'll allow you to do this interview.

• 44:52Theo Von?

  Right. Oh, I see what you're saying. Right. Like, even, that might even be a way of being used, that you don't even realize it.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:58Theo Von?

  Because you give somebody a, like, okay, you can interview this guy of ours. We know he'll say some things.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:05Theo Von?

  It'll, it'll, it'll let people, some, the people, some will be like, oh, I was right. And it lets a little bit of steam out of the kettle.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Exactly. Exactly.

• 45:13Theo Von?

  That, that's one thing I realized about when I was sitting with Bernie recently is, um.

• 45:18Theo Von?

  Yeah, he just kind of yells these things and I've been a Bernie guy. I wanted Trump and Bernie to be on the same ticket years ago.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  That would have been wild, huh?

• 45:25Theo Von?

  It would have been great because I feel like you need to have two people that have different views on the same ticket. Like a president and a vice president then, whoever loses becomes the vice president in the election.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  That's how they used to do it. The first three elections were done.

• 45:37Theo Von?

  That's how it should be done because then you have somebody that you have differing opinions, who has differing opinions than you. And you guys are in the same office and you guys have to figure things out, right? Like to me, that makes sense, right? It seems like the most democratic way to go about it. What I realized, it's like, yeah, he's coming here and yelling these things. He's been yelling the same things for 30 years. Yeah, and nothing is really getting done. And then when you look at everything, it's like, oh, wait. They've all been, we've all been yelling the same things for 30 years. Nothing is getting, it's all like, you start to realize that the politicians and the people, like politicians are coming on a regular podcast and we're just yelling at the people like, we've got to do this.

• 46:19Theo Von?

  We voted you to go do it. Don't, don't vote us to send you up the mountain and then you just come back down and be like, we gotta do it. Like bitch, we just sent you to say we gotta do it. So that's when I realized, oh, it's just this, and I think everybody realizes that.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  It's a little bit like theater.

• 46:36Theo Von?

  It's a shell game.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:37Theo Von?

  And it's, yes, it's theater. And I think everybody's starting to see that. And so I think it's, to me, I think it's getting very interesting right now, which in some ways also is kind of exciting.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I mean, that's one of the things I do appreciate about Trump is that they are saying some of these things just very nakedly. So then we could just have the conversation about the real thing, right? It's like when we go take Maduro in Venezuela, it's not like some bullshit about democracy or this and that. It's like, oh yeah, no, we do want the oil. That is a primary reason why we're going over there. So then we don't have to do this whole rigmarole, this dance around why we're actually there. It's like, oh, we want the oil. So then we could decide, is this really good? Do you really want to be the country that everybody hates? Like just, you know, I want to take Greenland, so I'm going to have it. I'm going to take Venezuela. I'm going to take Cuba. Is that really good or is it better for US diplomacy or US standing in the world to like? Do more diplomacy to get what we want versus just like straight up just sending aircraft carriers or like,

• 47:33Speaker 01

  you know, the SEAL team to go in there and do the thing.

• 47:36Theo Von?

  I agree. I mean, and I think there's a part of us now that like you're even looking back at historical, like I'll watch old movies, like war movies now. And it's like it, I remember as a child, I'd be like, oh yeah, America, we did it, right? And then you watch now and you're like, oh, what are we doing there?

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Well, that's the top gun was like basically the Iran strike. It was literally the plot is the same, the new top gun.

• 47:57Theo Von?

  Oh, I blame Miles Teller for that. Um, and he knows it. I'm just joking, Miles. But, oh, the, you mean the, the original one? You mean the original, the new top gun?

• 48:07Speaker 01

  The new top gun with Miles Teller, yeah.

• 48:08Theo Von?

  Oh, so you're saying that-

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Cause that was a strike on a uranium facility in Iran. That was the plot of the movie.

• 48:14Theo Von?

  Oh, wow. And do you think that they knew, like, okay, hold on, there's a couple of rabbit holes here that we're kind of burying eggs in here. Um, but first, let me, you mentioned Venezuela, right? What do you think happened in Venezuela? Cause here are things that I, that just a regular person, I heard there was minerals that we wanted over there. They were one of the few programs that had like their own financial system. So they weren't on the world financial system. And then, um, that they had done something with voting machines. That was something I kept seeing online. That they had some part to do with the voting machines. What in hindsight, what are, what did you see about Venezuela? Or what were some of the, uh, kind of the conspiracy, the ivermectin holes you were in?

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Well, I think Venezuela is really interesting in the sense that, yeah, you, like you said, there weren't a part of this system, but they were kind of forced into that position.

• 49:04Theo Von?

  But they weren't a part of what system? The financial system?

• 49:06Speaker 01

  The western financial system because they, they've been sanctioned by the United States for like 20 years roughly. And I, I only learned about this when I was digging into this, cause I, I don't know much about Venezuela, but I wanted to learn about the history. So I was like, okay, let me, let me do some, some searches on the internet and see what they're telling us in the news versus like what the history books are saying. And so it was like, well, I can't remember what year, but like Hugo Chavez came to power as like the socialist party in Venezuela. And he started nationalizing the oil and he started doing programs to improve, you know, Life expectancy and other important metrics in the country like making people like earn more money, all this stuff. So like people's uh live, what do they call this? They call them uh.

• 49:49Theo Von?

  Quality of life?

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Quality, sorry, yes. People's quality of life was improving in Venezuela, but the US didn't like the fact that they were, you know, socialist, so we don't want socialism. So then the Obama administration actually deemed Venezuela like an enemy to America. So then we started sanctioning them. So once we started sanctioning them, they had to start doing deals with other countries that weren't a part of the US system. So they started doing deals with like Russia and China. And now fast forward 20 years later, we're like, these guys are selling oil to China, they're selling oil to Russia, we don't like this. But then you look back, like, well, you forced them to sell them to those countries. Those are the only countries that aren't a part of your block. So then those are the only countries they could sell it to. So then they're like, oh, the Venezuelan economy is so bad, they've,

• 50:33Speaker 01

  you know, everybody lives in poverty. Well, like, part of the reason for that is like, you don't allow them to trade with any of our allies.

• 50:40Theo Von?

  Right. We cut them off at a time when they were growing.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 50:42Theo Von?

  But why would we want to stop them from growing stronger, do you feel like?

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Well, because their government was socialist. So now all of a sudden, you have a socialist regime.

• 50:50Theo Von?

  That's doing well.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Doing well, right in sort of your backyard area, um, which is not ideal for sort of our capitalist kind of style. Like, you don't want an example of that here. That's just my opinion. So then they started sanctioning it. So it's a bipartisan thing. It's not just Trump government. Obama government started this, right? With the sanctioning, Trump added on.

• 51:11Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Made it more, you know, robust, the sanctions. And then all of a sudden, wow, we gotta get this guy out of power because, you know, he's smuggling drugs or something like that. But also, he was very open about the oil. Like, he's like, we gotta get the oil. But then part of it also too, I think is, the Israel part is like a side piece, but it does play an important piece. It's basically.

• 51:31Theo Von?

  What do you mean the Israel part?

• 51:32Speaker 01

  So like, basically whatever country that opposes Israel, they basically tell us like, we gotta take that country out. We gotta do a regime change. So like, a lot of that is in the Middle East, but there's some other countries, for example, in Venezuela. They are very opposed to the Israeli government. Maduro was very open about calling what's happening in Gaza a genocide and.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  So they're like, we gotta get rid of this. And this is, this is something I learned 20 years ago. There was an opposition guy, I can't remember his name, but he was running for, for president. And the, the media kind of slandered him, or they smeared him as a homosexual and a Zionist. So then, so to me, that's like, okay, that means within the Venezuelan culture, Zionism is a bad thing. They're ascribing to this guy. So I think Israel will come in and say, this is a country that doesn't really support our existence. We should, we should do a regime change.

• 52:23Theo Von?

  I see. So, so you're thinking that part of this was that Israel wanted to come in and have some effect on a country that doesn't support them?

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Exactly. And you see that happening with other countries that are not. I mean, Iran is probably the main one right now. That's like the last of their list. I saw you talking to Dave Smith about this, right? There's like a list of seven countries in the middle.

• 52:41Theo Von?

  From like the neo cons and stuff like that?

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 52:42Theo Von?

  Like wanting to take over?

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. So then Iran is on that list. So it's like, that's why we gotta take it out. Even though we have no nuclear weapons at this point, supposedly. They told us.

• 52:54Theo Von?

  They did? Well, I mean, one of the things is Henry Capri- Capriless.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Hmm. Thank you. Yes. This is the guy I was talking about.

• 53:00Theo Von?

  Enrique Capriless Radonsky is a Venezuelan politician who served as a 36th governor of Miranda. Um, he ran against Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela's 2013 presidential election. Maduro and his supporters spread rumors about Capriless homosexuality as a smear tactic, including public slurs. Enrique Capriless Radonsky was labeled a Zionist by Venezuelan state media and Chavez Maduro allies. These accusations framed him as tied to international Zionism, often alongside his Jewish heritage. Oh, so he was a Jewish guy? Um, despite his Catholic faith. Huh. Well, it seemed like they shouldn't have done that to him. But I guess that's how the media works, right?

• 53:39Speaker 01

  That's how the media works. Yeah. It's a state controlled media, which we have a lot of nowadays with like CBS News is sort of, I would say, state controlled media since it was sold off to Larry Ellison.

• 53:49Theo Von?

  Yeah. Barry Weiss started controlling over there. How do you feel about that, that that's been since she took over, kind of?

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Well, it hasn't really worked out. I think. Once she took it over, it was very overtly clear what they were trying to do, right? They were doing pieces that were saying good stuff about Marco Rubio. They were hailing him as some kind of genius guy. They were also doing pro-Israel propaganda. So it was very, I think it's very clear to people who consume the news, what was going on. And it's actually, I think that's a playbook that's maybe a little bit outdated because not that many people get their news directly from CBS News anymore.

• 54:26Theo Von?

  Right.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  There's like, that crowd is decreasing. It's like, old people. I don't want to say.

• 54:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, no. Well, a lot of people don't even have cable anymore. I don't even know where you would find it. It's like, it used to be you knew where the news channels were.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  It used to be like, you knew who the nightly anchor was at all these, like the Walter Cronkites or the Peter Jennings.

• 54:44Theo Von?

  And now it's crazy. Now you have like Don Lemon like tickling some guy in a church or whatever, you know? Just trying to like tickle the holy water out of some honky or whatever. And you're like, what is even happening anymore?

• 54:52Speaker 01

  So I think it's just an outdated strategy. They think, oh, I want to buy the news so I can control the news.

• 54:56Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  But it turns out, people don't really like that. People know that. And that's the same thing that happened to Washington Post too, right? Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post. He thought they were going to be able to do kind of pro-Bezos propaganda for him. Turns out, all his viewers or readers hated that, they canceled. And now, you know, they're doing, I think they just laid off like a third of their staff.

• 55:15Theo Von?

  Wow. And a lot of that media, it's just older media.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:18Theo Von?

  So it's just kind of like, you know, some of that realm is changing. It's just like, not changing in the regard, but it's like, you know, people want to come and just listen to something in a place where they feel like it's not being controlled anyway.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think there's, so there's, that way is old. So then, there's other ways they're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that.

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• 59:37Speaker 01

  There's other ways they're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that if you want later on.

• 59:44Theo Von?

  Well, yeah, I mean, you got deplatformed. So that was from TikTok, you said, and it was from something that was...

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Well, I think it was related to me being named anti Semite of the week.

• 59:54Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  And I think they have like tight connections because TikTok's moderation team is run by an IDF soldier.

• 1:00:00Theo Von?

  Is it?

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. She was hired recently to run moderation at TikTok. She's an American who moved to Israel, then got Israeli citizenship. There it is. Erika Mendel. That's a pretty name.

• 1:00:16Theo Von?

  IDF soldier, public policy manager of hate speech at TikTok. Well, did you say something that was hate speech?

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Well, according to them, yes, because I've been really critical of the Israeli government, the genocide, all these subversive tactics. They've, you know, they lied to us about all kinds of stuff. So I do report on that and that is now considered hate speech at TikTok.

• 1:00:36Theo Von?

  If you're, if you're.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  So I'm criticizing the Netanyahu government, right? For what they've done that is now considered because of the definition. Now they're basically saying anti-Zionism is antisemitism. That is the definition that they're all adopting, including like the ADL. So if I criticize the government, that's, that's sort of a proxy for criticism of Jewish people.

• 1:00:59Theo Von?

  Well, that seems, to me, that seems bizarre. I mean, I'm at the Comedy Store last night and people are having jokes that are anti-Israel and the crowd is going nuts, right? The entire crowd is cheering in those moments. You know, it seems to be a very popular sentiment that people aren't going to support a government that's doing what I believe is largely believed by most people these days to be a genocide or to be a, um, you know, some people will call it a new Holocaust or whatever. People call it different things, right?

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:26Theo Von?

  Uh, but that most people believe that it's wrong, right? People saw it. You can't, you can't trick my heart. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, if you've been, if the media's been telling me for years with a Holocaust definition that this is wrong, then you can't show me the same thing and say it's now it's not wrong for some reason. But also to not attach that to my Jewish friends. Like I had Jewish friends who were in the audience this weekend and I make anti-Israel jokes and they don't have a, none of my friends have a problem with it, you know? So I think, I don't know how one really connects to the other, you know? And I don't know if that's a, is that a problem of someone who's just trying to have a voice? Or is that an Israel's problem that they need to figure out?

• 1:02:11Theo Von?

  With their own behaviors, that kind of, does that make any sense to you?

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. I think part of it is too, it's kind of a little bit dark, I think, what I'm about to say, but I think part of them wants to create more antisemitism. That's like, sort of the goal, is like, you are not antisemitic at all, you don't have any hatred towards Jewish people, you think everybody should be treated the same depending, regardless of their, you know, creed or color, race, immutable traits, whatever. And they want to make it so that you actually don't like them, because part of the Israel project is getting Jewish people to move to Israel. This is what I've been told, this is what I've been researching for the last couple of years, like, that's part of their strategy. There was a very famous Israeli podcaster who was like, "Oh, I love Mamdani." And they're like, "Why do you love Mamdani? He's like an antisemite."

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  That's, I don't believe that's true, but they're saying, "Hey, Mamdani's really anti-Israel." He's like, "This is great, because this is gonna get people to move to Israel. That's what I want." And so I think that's part of the strategy. There's also another thing too, with like, a group like the Anti-Defamation League, that their whole job is like, to reduce antisemitism, right? That, their job is combating antisemitism.

• 1:03:18Theo Von?

  Well, that makes sense. Like, I mean, I think you want to be able to protect, like, people.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  So, so the, the, the crux of that is, then you get into sort of-

• 1:03:24Theo Von?

  Has the ADL spoken out against the Israeli government?

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  No. They're pretty much run by Israeli guys. So, that's the problem with the ADL.

• 1:03:31Theo Von?

  But that would seem like something they should do, is speak out against the leader.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  No, the ADL has long been, I did a whole mini-documentary into the ADL.

• 1:03:40Theo Von?

  Does that make sense what I'm saying? Like, why wouldn't you speak out against the bad guy?

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Because the ADL is acting on behalf of the Israeli government, as sort of a spy organization in America. I mean, you could look at it as ADL-

• 1:03:52Theo Von?

  So, they're not a free-thinking group, they're a group that, that is a-

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're a civil, they, they call themselves a civil rights group, but what they're actually doing is trying to like, create more antisemitic- Behavior in the United States, because if you think about it this way, like you have an organization, your whole thing is like combating antisemitism. So let's say one day, there's no more antisemitism. What happens to this organization?

• 1:04:15Theo Von?

  You're out of work.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  You're out of work. So then they got to create more antisemitism. So every year the ADL is

• 1:04:19Theo Von?

  Crazy dude.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Every year the ADL has published the antisemitism report. It's gone up every single year. The same guy is still there. I'm like, if you were the CEO of a company and your job, you're doing shitty and shitty your job, wouldn't you get fired? Wouldn't somebody else go in there? You would need that number to come down. But every year the number is going up, the donations are going up, they're in the very nice building in New York City on Park Avenue. So like, there's a whole like industrial complex. Same thing with the homeless. I make the analogy of the homeless industrial complex in California where so much money's pouring in homelessness, but what happens if we actually solve this problem for all these organizations? Like you need this to continue, so then nothing gets done.

• 1:04:55Theo Von?

  It's the same thing, you need all these things to continue, right? You need the racism to continue. You need crime because then you have people living in fear, right? Like you need all these things, right? Cause it does start to feel like we're living in a theater that's sort of controlled.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:10Theo Von?

  Well, let's get into some stuff that's kind of current.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:13Theo Von?

  And, um, and do you feel like an antisemite? Did you feel like that that was fair that they said that?

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  Well, no, absolutely not. You can go to that article, there's nothing in there that I said, I don't, well, first of all, speaking personally, like I don't have any problem. I have a lot of Jewish friends. I went to school in New York. I, you know, so I'm, I'm very sort of connected in that community and some of

• 1:05:30Theo Von?

  And the bagel belt.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  I mean, I wouldn't never, I would never sort of, I try to be like, I'm like so scared of even saying anything like that, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:05:39Theo Von?

  What, the bagel belt?

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't.

• 1:05:40Theo Von?

  That's funny dude. Who doesn't love good bagels anyway? My friend Max is opening a bagel shop in Florida right now.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Oh, I know, I love a good, I mean, every time I get in New York, yeah, I'm eating bagels like every other meal.

• 1:05:52Theo Von?

  Dude, what I don't like is when you go there and they don't have cinnamon raisin bagels.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Is that your thing?

• 1:05:55Theo Von?

  Well, I just like to have it as an option. If you, if you're not giving that as an option, it makes me question you. It's like, what if a kid comes in here? What if somebody who wants to have a little bit of a sweeter daddy comes in?

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Well, they got the blueberry for that.

• 1:06:06Theo Von?

  Yeah. I don't believe in that one. Um, anyway, what does it say? James Lee is a conspiracist who brands himself as champion of the independent thought. He uses his persona to spread longstanding antisemitic tropes and conspiracy theories. His commentary distorts the nature of antisemitism and vilifies Jewish communities. Damn, James.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  But I, well, I challenged him to find an example of me vilifying a Jewish community, you know?

• 1:06:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, it says right here, "They aren't even hiding it anymore. Israel owns America."

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, that's, they do.

• 1:06:39Theo Von?

  Well, let's talk about that for a second, man. Um.

• 1:06:43Theo Von?

  You know, I could so, so, so much now, there's like, "Why are we giving money to Israel?" You hear that all the time, right? It's not even, you know, something that people are scared to even talk about anymore. It's like, "What are we sending all this money to Israel for?" And really, just why is there the connection, right? Like, it's, and, and there's not like a clear answer sometimes. It's never like, "Hey, this is our ally, this because," you know, this is, um, but yeah, you're like, "We can't pay our nurses, we can't," you know, I'm saying, "We don't have, like, we have issues in our public schools. More people are choosing to homeschool than ever, which is just another burden on the family, really, right? Um, you know, our food supply has been deemed, uh,

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  Toxic?

• 1:07:24Theo Von?

  Toxic, right? That's something that we're battling right now. Seventy percent of young men can't serve in the military because of, uh, the physical shape that they're in, right? Like, um, so you start to wonder, uh, why do we have this extra money to just send to a place, right? So that, that I think is a very fair question. And I've been thinking about it a lot, and I do think, I don't think we're just sending money to a place. I do believe that our country's owned by Israel and that, so you just give the money to the boss. So it's not us get, they're just getting the money that's, that's,

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  That's theirs.

• 1:07:59Theo Von?

  That's theirs, yeah. That's what I started to realize, because I'm like, "Yeah, because if you do this for so long and it doesn't make any," you know what I'm saying? Like, there's no answer. It's like, "Oh, well, that's just, that's the boss coming in just getting his money." You know, and so, um, yeah, I just think that that's kind of where we're at, and I don't mean that in an un-American way. I think there's still like a lot of like strength and heart in the idea of America. But I've thought for a long time that we're just like an LLC, like we're a shell company that's owned by Israel, and that's honestly just what it feels like, um, more and more.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, part of it, because it's like, it's, you're, we're supposed to be like allies, so then there's, we're supposed to have like cooperation. You get something out of it, we get something out of it. But then I recently was listening to a podcast with that CIA guy. I don't know if you've talked to him, uh, John Kerryaku.

• 1:08:42Theo Von?

  The long guy with the curly hair?

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  No, John Kerryaku looks like that, yep.

• 1:08:48Theo Von?

  And is he a good guy?

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  He's a good, so he was the one that, um, he was the one that whistleblowed the torture program after Iraq and Guantanamo and those places, like, and he went to jail for two years because he, he violated some, some statute or whatever for, for telling us about that, that we were torturing, you know?

• 1:09:06Theo Von?

  Oh, he's, he told it?

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Theo Von?

  CIA whistleblower John Kirakou, who exposed the treatment of Al Qaeda suspects held in secret prisons, told the bureau today, it was now down to journalists to tell the full story about the intelligence agency torture program because politicians did not have the will. Um, okay, got it. So I just wanted to get some clarity on who he is.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  So anyways, he, so he was asked, is there like one particular intelligence agency that you just did not trust? He was like, yeah, Mossad. And he was telling the story about how every time Mossad comes into the CIA headquarters, they try to drop off some gif that has like a bug in it, so a listening device, and every single time they would catch them, like, guys, you have to stop bringing these, these bugging devices into our headquarters. And eventually, I think the Mossad is, was, is no longer allowed at CIA headquarters because they keep trying to bug our conference rooms.

• 1:09:56Theo Von?

  But they have to have, they have access to our conference rooms, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, do you think that that's, oh, this was in the past? You mean, or recently?

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Past.

• 1:10:03Theo Von?

  Okay, got it.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Theo Von?

  So he was the one who was kind of, he was just saying that those were some stories from there?

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm like, this is not how an ally should act, right? Because we're supposed to be partners, like, why are you trying to bug our, you know, spy on us?

• 1:10:13Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  Right, that's one of the things, I think Tucker was talking to Ted Cruz, like, should Israel spy on us? Like, is that something that they should do as an ally? So that's what I'm saying, is like, this relationship is like, a little bit like-

• 1:10:22Theo Von?

  I think it's monitoring their employees.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, like, a little bit of an abusive relationship is what is going on, right? That's, that's kind of how I would view it in, in like a more like, you know, just like a layman's setting, uh, yeah, way of putting it, is like, I think this is an abusive relationship, they keep kicking us, and then we keep going back to them and like saying, please, well, we'll do better next time, and we'll help you, and this and that.

• 1:10:41Theo Von?

  Well, what spurned this, I mean, the thing that spurned this is the, the stuff in Gaza, that's what spurned so much of this, people looking at Israel and being like, what is going on here? Right, that's what

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  That's what broke for the regular American public. I probably was, I was definitely not looking at Israel before. The only weird thing that I saw that kind of got my sort of red flags raised was about a year before that, Israel had killed a journalist, an Al Jazeera journalist, who was, I believe, an American Palestinian. And they said, no, it was, they were caught in the line of fire or something like that. But then it later came out that, yeah, they just executed her. And I'm like, what's going on here? This is very bizarre. Like, why are they able to just kill journalists without any kind of, you know, international condemnation or anything like that, without any accountability? So there's something weird going on here. And then October 7th happened, and that's when I think everybody started looking in. And you do one search and like, oh, this is, this is, you know, this is what, and Charlie Kirk was one of the first one.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Like, I think two days after, he was like, this is one of the, you know, why was, why did this even happen? Like, was there a stand down order kind of situation? Like, how were they even able to come across the border? This is one of the most secure borders in the world. How did it take them six hours? He's like, it takes 45 minutes to fly from Jerusalem to the border. Why, why are you, you know, what's going on here? Was there something to then create this excuse to then now launch like a counter offensive?

• 1:12:05Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Quote unquote, counter offensive and basically turn Gaza into rubble?

• 1:12:09Theo Von?

  And do you think that that's what happened? What do you feel like about it?

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, this is based on my conjecture is that, yeah, I do think that

• 1:12:15Theo Von?

  What does conjecture mean?

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Conject- conjecture is like just me sort of coming up with a claim without knowing all the information. Because of course, I'm not in the security briefing.

• 1:12:25Theo Von?

  So guessing or whatever?

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  I'm guessing a little bit.

• 1:12:29Theo Von?

  But Asian guessing has got to be better than just regular white guessing, yeah?

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  Some would say that.

• 1:12:34Theo Von?

  Like, when you guys guess, dude, I bet it's, you know.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Look, I got a pretty, I got a pretty good track record of my conjectures. I'll just put it that way.

• 1:12:40Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Um, so like, there's no other explanation, like, why, you know, it would at most take one hour for them to respond. It took them six hours to respond, doesn't make any sense. So then, it's kind of like 9/11. It's like some, we kind of knew some shit, like, somebody knew something, right? There's like the shorting of the airline stocks, there are people taking insurance out on the building. Somebody knew something. In this situation, it seemed like there were people in the Israeli government who knew that this was about to come. And they just kind of let it happen, therefore creating the pretense to then destroy Gaza.

• 1:13:12Theo Von?

  Well, there was interesting that there was allegedly plans to like build buildings and that sort of thing in Gaza years earlier. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've heard that somewhere allegedly.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  And that's not the new thing with Jared Kushner and the new like Gaza?

• 1:13:28Theo Von?

  Well, yeah, it was like, let's do the mall or they were gonna build a Five Guys, you know, but who's gonna go eat on top of a haunted burial site of hundreds of thousands of people?

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. And it's like, do you really want to vacation there with your family? Would you take your kids? It's like, oh, we're gonna go to, you know, I mean, I guess good real estate, but.

• 1:13:47Theo Von?

  But what if you're playing on the beach and there's just a bunch of bones in the thing, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know?

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  I mean, I wouldn't want to go there. I'll say it that way.

• 1:13:53Theo Von?

  Um, let's go down some of the rabbit holes like, cause um, you know, these are things you like to investigate or get curious about. Um, let's start with Epstein and the files release. Uh, what do you think's happening with the document release? Cause it seems very odd as a regular guy that we're getting documents, right? They're coming this years later. Both parties have been in, in uh, Democratic and Republican have been in office since then, right? More than ever, it seems like both parties are just the same party with a different name.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  That's, that's, that's literally my shirt.

• 1:14:27Theo Von?

  Oh yeah. Different brands, same ingredients. Oh, that's hilarious. So true. Oh, it's almost like that cola Pepsi war a little bit.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:14:35Theo Von?

  Oh, that's great. Um, and so it's just an interesting time and the names that are redacted aren't the names of the victim. It's just like, there's so much going on there. What, yeah. What do you think about it?

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, they tried. I mean, they, I don't think they thought these files would ever come out. Neither party.

• 1:14:51Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't think they thought. I think they were gonna bury this forever.

• 1:14:54Theo Von?

  So you don't think it's a strategic release right now?

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  No, I think right now is like, this is what we're gonna offer because they were forced through that vote that Thomas Massey and Ro Khanna, big credit to them to have the political courage to keep going.

• 1:15:08Theo Von?

  And we had them both on here. Shout out, bro. I will say that shit. Pull up. But anyway, go on. So take us into some of that. Yeah. What are some of the things that you feel like? Yeah. So you don't think it's strategic?

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  I don't think it's. I think this is, this is a release.

• 1:15:21Theo Von?

  So you think it's an effect that they didn't want to do?

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  They didn't want to do this.

• 1:15:24Theo Von?

  They didn't want to do this.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  And so that's why you have all the names of the perpetrators being redacted. Right. They're only supposed to redact the victims' names. A lot of the perpetrators' names are redacted. And now they're forcing them to unredact them. There's a whole process here. But I think this is like, here, we'll put something out because we're legally compelled to do it by the vote. Right. It was like passed unanimously. I think there's one person who voted present. And because they were forced, you don't want to be on the record voting against disclosure, you know, putting pedophiles in jail. Like you don't want to be that guy or gal. Right. So then they were all forced to vote for it because they got, because they didn't, they did not want that to, to get to the House floor or the Senate. But they had to vote for it because once it was there, you don't want to be voting against it. Like, what, you're trying to cover up for billionaire pedophiles? You don't want to be on the record doing that.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  So I think this release was a result of that. And in terms of the Epstein stuff, like what we're going to get into, I, I just want to say like, there are a lot of people that have looked into Epstein for decades. Like if you want to bring, do a whole episode on Epstein, like you got to bring in somebody like Whitney Webb or Julie Brown. You know, she's from the Miami Herald. She's been coming to Epstein since like 2005.

• 1:16:27Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah. We're trying to get her in, actually.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  So I'm just prefacing, it's like, hey, we're going to look into this Epstein stuff, but I want to give credit to like, those are the people that are like the Epstein experts. I'm just a regular dude that looking at the files.

• 1:16:37Theo Von?

  Yeah, they've been digging. You just came to kind of till the soil a little.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly. So then one big thing that I wanted to start out looking at was to answer the big question. Do you remember when Cash Patel went in front of Congress and he said, we have zero evidence that Epstein trafficked any young girls to anybody?

• 1:16:51Theo Von?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Right. And everybody was like, what? How is that possible? You were railing about the Epstein files for years and now you go in and say you found nothing? And so that was one of the first things like, hey, do we have, do you want to play that first?

• 1:17:02Theo Von?

  And this is my boy out of Louisiana right here. Shout out.

• 1:17:04Speaker 05

  You've seen most of the files. Uh, who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women to besides himself?

• 1:17:14Speaker 06

  Himself? There is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited.

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  So the answer is no one?

• 1:17:28Speaker 06

  For the information that we have.

• 1:17:31Speaker 05

  In the files?

• 1:17:32Speaker 06

  In the case file.

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:17:34Theo Von?

  All right. Dude, I believe, I'm not joking, I, there's people that say that, that created like a fake office and everything for Patel and we're just, and we're only giving him certain information.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Oh, so he didn't see the stuff that was?

• 1:17:48Theo Von?

  Well, he's even what he said, if you listen there, from this limited, he said, did he say limited stuff I've seen or from what I've seen? Which has been limited. So who knows if he even saw everything?

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Right. So he, well, you're saying that somebody's even hiding something from him. That means that another person above

• 1:18:04Theo Von?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  A shadow figure that's like-

• 1:18:06Theo Von?

  Right. Like he goes into an office and has this perception that everything is a certain way. And it's, he doesn't, it's not, he doesn't know. So then of course he's going to show up and he, what he's saying is the truth to him.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:18:19Theo Von?

  Right? Because he even said from a limited, what did he say, Nick?

• 1:18:23Speaker 06

  For the information that we have.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Well, they have it. Well, and only right now-

• 1:18:28Theo Von?

  But he's denoting that, you know what I'm saying, from the information that we have. I bet he didn't even see all of this stuff.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  Well, I, I bet he saw some of the, because the, the stuff that has been released, some say it's half, some say the Channel 4 News in the UK say it's 2% of what

• 1:18:40Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  The total is. We don't know what the real number is. But so I, so one of the things I want to look at is, is there anything in the, in the files that suggests that Epstein trafficked young girls to other people, other than himself, right? That's a big question that we should all have answered. And I'm not even look, so there's, there's, within the files, there's the emails, right? Between Epstein and a bunch of other people. But there's also like FBI tip stuff where people are saying crazy, this is where you see a lot of the Trump stuff, is like people calling the tip line, saying, I saw Trump do this, I saw Trump do that. So I'm, I'm like removing that stuff. I'm just going off the emails to say, look, it does, does it look like? And there's one email chain, um, between Epstein and Steve Tish. And Steve Tish is the owner of the New York Giants.

• 1:19:21Theo Von?

  Is he really?

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:22Theo Von?

  Shout out Jackson Dart.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  And so go, go, so let's start at the bottom, because this is the, let's do it in chronological order, right?

• 1:19:27Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  Uh, if you want to read or, or you want me to read?

• 1:19:30Theo Von?

  Um, you be, I'll be, oh, I don't know who to be. I'll be, I guess I'll be Tish.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  Okay, alright, alright.

• 1:19:36Theo Von?

  Alright.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:37Theo Von?

  Uh, and you be Epstein.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Theo Von?

  Uh, hi Jeffrey, I just had lunch with your assistant's friend, blank, who I met at your house Wednesday morning, very sweet girl, do you know anything about her? Thanks, Steve.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  And then Epstein says, no, but I will ask blank, all confidential, I will get all info, did you contact the great fake ass tit blank, she's a character, short term, has an older boyfriend, going to acting school, a ten ass, I am happy to have you as a new, but obviously shared interest friend.

• 1:20:07Theo Von?

  Thanks Jeffrey, curious to know about redacted, I will contact redacted, pro or civilian? So that probably means sex worker or just a regular non-sex worker?

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Right, and then the next thing is, send me a number to call, I don't like records of these conversations, obviously.

• 1:20:25Theo Von?

  Oh, 3107798969, I wonder if I already have it in my phone? Dude, if I already have it in my phone, bro, somebody's gonna win a winter coat. That's what we're giving away this year, dude. If they allow us to have it. Is this stupid that I'm looking?

• 1:20:43Theo Von?

  7098969.

• 1:20:45Speaker 06

  If you call, tell them we're live to tape.

• 1:20:47Theo Von?

  Okay. Nope, nothing.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  Close call.

• 1:20:53Theo Von?

  Oh. Okay, sorry, um, so then Tish writes 3107798969.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  I've reached out to blank, she's not on this trip.

• 1:21:02Theo Von?

  Okay, um, thanks.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  Thanks, yeah. And this is Epstein, report just in, you did very well, she wants to go to the play, she's a little freaked out by the age difference, but go slow and wait, I will try to convince her not to return to Ukraine, having her crying worked.

• 1:21:18Theo Von?

  Okay. Nice report, funny comment on crying. So trying to seem like he's not involved, totally.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know, it seems like, okay, so, I mean, it's a little bit disturbing with the crying, it's like, what, why were you having her cry, like, was there some pressure involved?

• 1:21:32Theo Von?

  Right, but it could have just been that she was upset about something as well.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  Could have been, yes, there are, I guess, innocent explanations for this, but at the very least, this looks like he's trafficking somebody to somebody else. It's just the subject line is Ukrainian girl.

• 1:21:43Theo Von?

  Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. So it doesn't say that she's an adult in this. It says that she's younger?

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  It doesn't say the age.

• 1:21:52Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  But it says she's young.

• 1:21:54Theo Von?

  Got it. But she says she has a boyfriend at some point too, but that could still be anything.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:58Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm not defending. I'm just trying to look at things openly. Um, okay. So you're saying that this justifies some form of trafficking?

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Well, I think it justifies some form of investigation at the very least. Like you should look into what the hell this was.

• 1:22:11Theo Von?

  Got it. And is it being investigated?

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  I don't know for sure. I think the NFL hasn't done anything yet. There are people who are journalists writing articles who said this should be looked at. Like I think Steve Tish, you know, should be investigated. Cause there's probably, cause you imagine this is just an email. And then in that email, it says, I don't like talking about this over email. So there's probably more conversations that are not documented. Yeah.

• 1:22:34Theo Von?

  Yeah. And also, I mean, watch them just end up making them kickoff from the five yard line or something like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, things are so merged and weird these days. Who knows?

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  So I think there's some other, there's some other emails that I sent to Zach that was like evidence of this kind of thing.

• 1:22:48Theo Von?

  Um, there were. Can we look at some of those? Here we go. Some other ones here. Yeah. Let's look at some other ones here. Organized blank place for you, blank each girl.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Nice. Will do. So this seems like he's organizing some meetup.

• 1:23:04Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  With some women with this redacted person. We don't know who that is.

• 1:23:08Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  Right? So this is, I feel like this is, to me, from the outside looking in, cause you're obviously not going to write in there, yes, I am trafficking young girls to you ages five to, you know, you're not going to say that. You're going to probably be a little bit more.

• 1:23:20Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Subtle about it.

• 1:23:21Theo Von?

  Do you know any girls that are into girls who might be into me? And that's from someone Epstein. Going to dancing again, starting Tuesday. Let me know if you're in town next week and I'll try to see if some of the girls are interested.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  And what does dancing mean?

• 1:23:36Theo Von?

  Any news? Oh, I see what you're saying. Going to be dancing again, starting Thursday.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  So to me, these are just, you know, cursory searches from a nobody. I'm just like, hey, is there something here? It seems like, at the very least, there should be some investigation happening. I mean, you're seeing in other countries, people are getting arrested, like Prince Andrew's getting arrested, Lord Mendelson just got arrested.

• 1:23:59Theo Von?

  Lord Mendelson did?

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:00Theo Von?

  Oh, my God. Who is it?

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  Who is Lord Mendelson?

• 1:24:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  He's like some British, you know?

• 1:24:08Theo Von?

  Peter Mendelson.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Pete, sorry, yeah. Peter Lord Mendelson.

• 1:24:12Theo Von?

  The British are popping off on him, huh? Watch him get Paddington Bear for something, dude. He always looked a little suspicious, you know? Um, what are some of the other most suspicious things that you've seen from Epstein files?

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Well, so the other thing that I wanted to look into too, was the, the, the big conspiracy is like, oh, Epstein was running a blackmail operation. He's a spy, running a blackmail operation on behalf of Israel, right? You've probably heard that.

• 1:24:37Theo Von?

  Yes. Do you think he was a spy? Or do you think he was just a guy that was like, you know, obviously perverted pedophile type of dude, who was just like, you know, oh, just a bad dude into some dark shit and had a lot of money?

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  He was definitely a spy. I mean, if you could pull up, he was issued in the eighties, an Austrian passport. So I don't know how you can get an Austrian passport. Well, this is a, okay, so fake Austrian passport, right? So you have his name, go, go up there to the top, right, Marius?

• 1:25:07Theo Von?

  He looks like a little bitch. Look at him.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Right? So then, how do you get one of these things?

• 1:25:13Theo Von?

  Marius Robert was his name? First of all, that's cultural appropriation. I'm gonna go ahead and say that right now, bro. Shout out all the real Mariuses out there. Um, and he said he was Saudi Arabian.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. This is a real passport that was used. So it's, it's fake in the sense that Epstein obviously was not Austrian.

• 1:25:32Theo Von?

  Right. So he got a passport from somebody.

• 1:25:34Speaker 01

  He got a passport from somebody in the 1980s, and this is before he even met Les Wexner.

• 1:25:39Theo Von?

  Okay, and um.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  So to me, this is some indication that, okay, so he maybe was tied up with the State Department or intelligence, right? He was an asset of some sort that they wanted to issue this to so you could travel around Europe using an alias.

• 1:25:52Theo Von?

  Right, there couldn't have been thousand, a hundred different versions of him, and he's one that over time just worked well enough, you know, that, or that had enough success. I think that, you know, because with anything, you do like a seed kind of program, you do like, let's see, you know, let's see what's going on here.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Well, so based on my historical, cursory historical knowledge, this is done by the CIA. So the 1970s, there's a thing called the Church Committee. Have you looked into the Church Committee at all? But that's when all the crazy shit came out with like, Cointel Pro and MKUltra, where they basically exposed the CIA for all these covert operations, regime change in the Middle East and Iran, all this stuff came out. Because prior to the 1970s, the CIA would be just doing this stuff. They would just, on CIA records, they're doing this stuff. And then after the Church Committee, they basically had to go through various channels of like mobsters or like CD characters in order to still continue to do what they do.

• 1:26:43Theo Von?

  I see, but have it off the books.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  Have it off the books. So then they need guys like Epstein to carry out some of this stuff, who's not officially a CIA agent. Before, they just had agents going in.

• 1:26:53Theo Von?

  Was that coming out of Vietnam, that that energy just started to change things, kind of?

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  I'm trying, I'm.

• 1:26:57Theo Von?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, people started to not just believe in what we were doing was good.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  I think it was like the JFK assassination was a big thing, right? Everybody was like, this is really bizarre. Like, how did this happen? There was the bullets that went in these three directions. And then there was, you know, the RFK assassination was also very bizarre. MLK, if you looked at every single one of those, they're all very weird. I think people started losing trust in the American government. And then on top of that, you had this massive war in Vietnam, like you were saying. So then, then there was that political will to like, hey, we need to expose. Similar to right now, I think with Epstein, it's like, hey, we need to expose some of these billionaires that are running the country. Right? It's gone too far, right? It's not like, you know, we're supporting Israel, but like, we're still building nice bridges and we're fixing the roads and the hospitals. It's like, if they did some, I mean, this is a little bit cynical, but if they did some of that stuff, I think people would probably pay less attention to Israel. Like, they'd

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  be like, okay, sure, whatever, do that over there.

• 1:27:48Theo Von?

  Why don't they do that stuff in addition to it then I wonder?

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  That's the big question. It's like, why? I think it's because everything is so, this is my take, going to business school, just by background is everything is so like siloed in the sense that you're only thinking about your own company. So it's like, I just want to maximize everything for myself. So they're not really thinking about the collective like, hey, if we do this in conjunction with everybody else, like we could, you know, take over the world. They're just like, everybody's kind of getting their own piece of the pie. They're trying to just get their cut. And there's not, there's like, I think there's like less collaboration than people think in terms of the conspiracy world. But there's a lot of various conspiracies out there that are very real. That's my take. As a normie.

• 1:28:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:31Theo Von?

  Do you, you mentioned Lex Wechsner is the guy's name?

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  So Les Wechsner, so he was the

• 1:28:36Theo Von?

  Who is he?

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  He is the billionaire owner of L. Brand. So he owned a bunch of retail

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  stores like Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie and Fitch, Bath and Body Works. And he

• 1:28:51Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  Uh, signed over. So this is his, because everybody, so that's when Epstein like went to another level. But then he was actually just deposed because he didn't speak about Epstein for a very, very long time. He always said was, I regret my association with, with Epstein. And he didn't say nothing much. Like he just recently got deposed by by the US Congress. And he gave this long, I think it was like six hours, but there's some really interesting clip that came out of it. Cause people asked him like, why did you trust Jeffrey Epstein with all your money? Cause he literally signed over power of attorney of his entire financial estate.

• 1:29:24Theo Von?

  Is that true?

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Over to him. Yeah.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  And people were asking, why, you know, what gave you the confidence? That you could trust is like, did you, because they're like, did you, how did you meet him? He's like, oh, I was introduced by a friend of mine. And then so like, what, what did he tell you that he did to like, have you give over basically control of all of your money? And he, and he said that Epstein was working as the, for the Rothschilds as their money manager. So I'm like, this is even before Wesner, uh, Wechsner, which is where we think he got all his money. So even before that, somehow Jeffrey Epstein, like a high school math teacher was, was, uh, working for the Rothschilds. Like, how did that happen?

• 1:30:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  Which is then to me, it's like back to the spy thing. It's like, was he some sort of intelligence asset that was positioned within these, you know, people who are pulling the strings, like powerful families, institutions around the world. That's, that's my hypothesis around it.

• 1:30:19Theo Von?

  Got it. So that's who, so that's who he is. And we don't know any crimes that he did. He's just associated with him, right? There's no accusations against this Mr. Wexner, is there?

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  I don't think there's any specific accusation. I do know, there's a famous documentary that came out where the CEO of Abercrombie was using Abercrombie to recruit young men into prostitution.

• 1:30:43Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:44Theo Von?

  The CEO was of Abercrombie? Pull that up.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, Mike Jeffries.

• 1:30:48Theo Von?

  Yeah, let's get a get a read on him.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Mike Jeffries, sex trafficking. Yeah, right here. Former Abercrombie and Fitch CEO charged with operating sex trafficking ring.

• 1:30:58Theo Von?

  Mike Jeffries, former CEO of US clothing company Abercrombie and Fitch has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking and interstate prostitution following weeks of speculation or allegation of professional misconduct. Jeffries' romantic partner, Matthew Smith, who is also a man, and association James Jacobson were arrested for alleged role in the enterprise.

• 1:31:19Theo Von?

  Did they ever convict him or was just alleged?

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  I think he's in jail. I don't.

• 1:31:23Theo Von?

  Let me see. A US attorney, Breon Pierce, said, "Powerful individuals for too long have trafficked and abused for their own sexual pleasure young people with few resources."

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  Is he in jail? I'm very curious if he's in jail. Like, where is he right now? This is a perplexity question.

• 1:31:40Theo Von?

  It is, huh? Leave this open and scroll down for a little bit and go look at perplexity separately so I can keep reading. Just want to see what they're, it describes sexual botchinal's spanning from New York to Morocco in which a recruited man were given drugs, lubricants, condoms, costumes, and sometimes erection inducing penile injections that caused painful hours long reactions. Boners, probably.

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  I looked it up. He's not in jail. He's set to go on trial. They just found that he's fit to stand trial. This was in December.

• 1:32:11Theo Von?

  Oh. They're trying to go with the insanity plea.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, that's. It's not, I mean, yeah, so.

• 1:32:18Theo Von?

  He's set to go on trial.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  So the thing about Wesner, Wexner, I keep, Les Wexner, hard to say his name, Les Wexner, is that he's also involved in that whole Israeli Zionist, you know, money. Moving operation from Israel to the United States, back and forth to support various Zionist causes. Like, he's one of the big funders of the birthright trips to Israel, right? I don't know how much you know about that, but I've talked to a few people. The purpose of that, they're describing like, that's another crazy sex party type of thing where they get

• 1:32:46Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:47Theo Von?

  I never heard that. I have heard that.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. There's this one as well. Epstein, yeah. Israel and the CIA, how the Iran contra planes landed at Les Wexner's base. So they're running some kind of CIA operation using Wexner's airport in Ohio. And Jeffrey Epstein was facilitating something within there. Very complicated, but it's like, okay, so these guys are not just normal people.

• 1:33:13Theo Von?

  Got it. So we're saying that that guy's an example of somebody that worked under Lex Wexner and one of his companies?

• 1:33:18Speaker 01

  Well, that Les Wexner hired him to run Abercrombie and Fitch.

• 1:33:23Theo Von?

  Who is Howard Lutnick? That's a name that you that you hear a lot.

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  Well, Howard Lutnick is the Commerce Secretary right now.

• 1:33:31Theo Von?

  Okay, the Commerce Secretary, United US Commerce?

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:33:33Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  And he was on record, he gave this whole melodramatic interview where he said, he lived right next door to Jeffrey Epstein, by the way, literally next door neighbors. Nine and 11. That'll come back later. East 72nd Street.

• 1:33:49Theo Von?

  9/11?

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, so he was right next door to Jeffrey Epstein, and he was asked, you know, what was your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? And he said, well, I went over to his house once with my wife. I saw a massage table on the counter. I turned, I was like, oh, what is this disgusting man? And we left immediately. We never spoke to him. I was never in another room with him ever again, because this is a disgusting human being. And then the emails come out, and there's like, all kinds of correspondences with, with Jeffrey Epstein about like, visiting the island. There's emails about them investing in a company together. So they're very, much closer than he let on.

• 1:34:28Theo Von?

  Than Lutnick let on?

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, so he just basically straight up, bold-faced lie to the American people.

• 1:34:32Theo Von?

  So is he being held on charges or anything?

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  No, but he should be held on charges for another thing, which he just did the other day, which is, you know, the Trump tariffs.

• 1:34:42Theo Von?

  Right, they just voted against him. SCOTUS just voted against him, right?

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  So then he was out there publicly telling the American people, prior to SCOTUS voting, saying, "Oh yeah, I think SCOTUS will side with President Trump on this one." But his firm, that's run by his sons now, was like shorting these tariffs. Basically, they're buying insurance against the tariffs.

• 1:35:02Theo Von?

  Where were they doing that? Like on some of these like, uh, polymarket sites and stuff like that?

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  No, it's through some kind of financial instrument that's way more complex than I can probably explain.

• 1:35:09Theo Von?

  Wow. So Howard Lutnick's family firm bought up the rights to tariff refunds for 20 to 30 cents on the dollar after Liberation Day last year. Today, the Supreme Court struck the tariffs down for every hundred dollars invested. Lutnick's sons just made 3 to 5X. Welcome to crony corruption, America.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  So that's like, that's just classic insider trading. He's basically, he probably knew that they weren't gonna...

• 1:35:31Theo Von?

  Right, but he says that...

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  But he says it on TV, saying, "Oh no, I think they're gonna side with the American people."

• 1:35:35Theo Von?

  Allegedly.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Allegedly, yes. Well, yes. I don't feel like I use that word enough today. So, if, you know. Uh, but here, there's another connection with him and 9/11.

• 1:35:44Theo Von?

  So he was profiting off of Trump's tariffs?

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:35:46Theo Von?

  Right. So then allegedly, he would have known then that the Supreme Court was gonna do that?

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  And then, so he's trading, so he basically is creating buzz in one direction, but then he's trading in the opposite direction, right? Cause if he felt that they were going to, um, vote in favor of President Trump, why would he be executing the trades on the opposite side?

• 1:36:05Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  Doesn't make sense. Unless you...

• 1:36:07Theo Von?

  It doesn't make sense.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Right, so that's classic insider trading.

• 1:36:10Theo Von?

  Yeah. But that's the thing about, like, so many people, like, look at the leaky faucet. And they're like, "Who's causing this leaky faucet?" But what they don't realize is, the true player is the, or the people that bought the stream up...

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:24Theo Von?

  Up from the city, up from the water department, and they're doing things there that eventually, years later, will cause the leaky faucet. And they've set up all these businesses and things along the way. Like, some people don't realize the strategy, sometimes it goes into things, right?

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Well, he is the, so there's, there's some crazy, we gotta get into it. Cause he is the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald. Which is, they were the tenant of, you know, I think the floor 105 to 107 of the World Trade Center Building.

• 1:36:49Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  And he did not go to work that day because his wife, this is, Trump said this last week, there's a clip of him trying to like, hey, your wife begged you not to go to work that day. You never missed a day of work in 20 years. Aren't you glad that you didn't go to work that? So he, like, most of his employees died. And then he did this whole thing where, I don't know if you want to play this clip, or I could just talk through some of the stuff where he basically took all the insurance, so the, the company was paid insurance money from the airlines. And then he pocketed most of that money instead of giving it to the employees. Yes.

• 1:37:19Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  Then you get past, okay, so it's like, did he know something? Like, what was going? So, play, play this clip, though, the, the clip that I sent, um, Zach, there's a lady, like, how he got his home right next to Epstein, it's, it's insane.

• 1:37:33Speaker 07

  Tell me, what are the odds that the notary to the deed of what was both Epstein and Howard Letnick's property at 11 East 71st Street? Because, yes, Epstein owned that property before Letnick owned that property. It was transferred to Epstein for just $10 in 1992. Epstein passed the deed to a Comet Trust in 1996, again, for just $10, of which a Guido Goldman was a trustee, the son of one of the founders of the World Jewish Congress. And then it was passed to Letnick in 1996 for, again, just $10. Who notarized the deed transferring this property

• 1:38:18Speaker 07

  from Jeffrey Epstein to the Comet Trust in 1996? A Gary Pollard. A Gary Pollard just so happened to be in the perfect spot at the perfect time to record the perfect shot of the South Tower collapsing on September 11th, 2001. Is it just a weird coincidence that Jeffrey Epstein and Howard Letnick owned 911 East 71st Street?

• 1:38:57Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  I mean, kudos to her. She's like digging up like fucking documents.

• 1:39:01Theo Von?

  Yeah, she's petting a cat too at the same time.

• 1:39:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:04Theo Von?

  Which heavily reminds you of the person from Inspector Gadget. Remember that guy?

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  I've never seen Inspector Gadget.

• 1:39:09Theo Von?

  Was it Inspector Gadget, the bad guy, or the person who was like the dark guy that always be petting the cat? Dr. Claw. Yeah. So what was she saying there exactly? Just to sum it up.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  I think what she's insinuating there is that there's some kind of foreknowledge of nine 11, that these things that, how did Lutnik even get this property in the first place, right next to Jeffrey Epstein? There's some kind of collusive action taking place here. There's something shady happening behind the scenes. Obviously all coincidences as she's saying.

• 1:39:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  But it should be examined a little bit further, especially with the context that if you looked, somebody, somebody like did timestamps in all the emails that were in the Epstein files and there's like a huge chunk that's like missing between 1999 and 2001. That's like all not there.

• 1:39:48Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:39:49Speaker 01

  So it's like, was something and Ghislaine Maxwell is also asked to be on the nine 11 shadow commission. Like, why was she asked to be on the nine 11 shadow commission? Like, did she know some stuff? Like, she was reached out to? She said no. So like, it seemed like they knew. It's like, yeah, here it is.

• 1:40:02Theo Von?

  Uh, this is from at Chris Martinson. Um, it's just a complete coincidence that the DOJ has completely withheld all the Epstein documents immediately before, during and after nine 11. Is that right? Wow. The gap 25,000 missing serial numbers. I mean, how much do you believe? We talked about this a little bit earlier, like that some things feel like theater, right? It almost feels like, like you hear all these things that like the, uh, the Simpsons and they predicted this and every week now it's like, it was written here and it, look at this.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:31Theo Von?

  Do you believe? And then it starts to like, what do you believe about that? Like, how much of the like stuff like this, like they lived at nine and 11 and this was the next door? Do you think any of that's real or we're all just reading into this stuff? Have you seen enough things where you're like, there could be something here?

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  I think so. Okay. So I think some of it is coincidence, but some of it is like predictive programming and that they want, so for example, the Top Gun example, I would say is they want the American public comfortable with this kind of attack, this style of attack. It's going to be awesome. Look how great the firefighters, uh, the fighter jet pilots are going in, bombing the uranium site, pulling out, great stunt.

• 1:41:07Theo Von?

  That Top Gun was in Iran. That's where that happened. It was uranium site in Iran.

• 1:41:11Speaker 01

  That was.

• 1:41:11Theo Von?

  So you're saying, let's put it in a movie before we do it so that it'll feel more comfortable to people.

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  Exactly. So some of that stuff, I think is predictive programming where they do that. Some of the stuff is coincidence and then some of the stuff I think is like full psy op stuff where they try to get you distracted with another issue. So they can maybe brush this real stuff because I do believe the Epstein stuff is real stuff like this is like, there's real crimes taking place behind the scenes. Like people should be investigated, all that stuff. So I'll give you an example, which may be controversial, maybe not, but like, for example, I think the ICE riots are a little bit of a psy op.

• 1:41:43Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:43Speaker 01

  Like that stuff is, I don't know how many, you know, how much you've talked about that, but like, I think it's purposely created to be a divisive issue.

• 1:41:51Theo Von?

  It reminds me of the stuff of the Portland, like in the park, there's Antifa in the park riots and stuff. You had Renaissance Fair people battling Bernie Sanders activists and some of that shit. And it was like, what the hell is even, you know, a Star Wars versus Game of Thrones characters, someone we could like, what is even happening here? I could see some of that because there was, there's videos of them like finding a guy who like started up like, put like a Molotov cocktail in the street or something.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:15Theo Von?

  And they follow them and like, who are, you know, interviewing and the guys like, obviously was just stopping by to do this, not really involved. I could, I think there's more of that that happens than we even know, right?

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:42:26Theo Von?

  A lot of the videos you see like, oh, look at this, this seems real, but you don't realize somebody could stage that, put the video out or it could be AI and you don't even know.

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  Right. And they particularly picked this issue where there's like, no, it's not going to be any agreement because immigration is one of those issues like abortion. There's really not a right answer. It's like based on your morality, like some, you know, like some countries are great, like Japan's great because they're all Japanese. They have their own customs and cultures, really cool, or Scotland or whatever. America just happens to be like kind of a melting pot. That's kind of what we're known for, but there's no like right answer to the amount of immigration you should have. So they picked this issue that nobody can really come together on.

• 1:42:59Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:43:00Speaker 01

  And then they send people on the streets because I'm like thinking, why aren't you sending people on the streets for like Epstein? Why aren't you sending people on the streets for like spraying pesticides in all our food? Why is that? Because that's a unifying issue. People will actually demand something out of it. This is like, there's no answer because you could look at the same video. This happened with the Renee Good and the other guy, Alex Preddy, right? People look in the same video and they're seeing different things and they're like, oh, perfect. Let's amplify this more. Let's send more people out there. And now also they create, because I think this, there's something weird happening here where I don't think Trump is that serious about deporting people because there's like a business interest in like keeping them here because you have like depressed wages, a lot of them work in hospitality, a lot of them work in farm. And Trump said, oh, those are exempt. Like, well, those are where all their,

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  those are where all, a lot of illegal immigrants are at. So why aren't you doing that? Well, because your donors don't want you to do that. So then you create this nice show for people, a show of force on the streets. I think the MAGA people really love the ICE agents going out there and, and, and having that presence. It gets them fired up. And then on the other side, then the Democrats are sending their people on the streets and all of a sudden, both sides have created sort of a, a pretense to like now, well, we got to surveil people. We got to do a police state. And so you get the best of everything. You get, you still get the indentured slavery for the, for the corporations. Now you have chaos in the streets. So then you could bring about like the Palantir mass surveillance.

• 1:44:21Theo Von?

  That's what's happening.

• 1:44:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:22Theo Von?

  That's the big thing I see.

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:24Theo Von?

  For me, I believe that even, even like, well, it's also funny that one political party lets a ton of people in, the next, and they're the bad guys. And then the next political party is, uh, um, they're the ones who are trying to get everybody out and they're the, they're the bad guys, right? It's like, don't you see that though? We're just watching the show. Like, don't you realize that at a certain point, you're just watching?

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  That's what I've been trying to get people to wake up. I've been shit on for the ICE thing because I have, because my audience is like pretty split. Because I, a lot of times I focus just on corruption and just, you know, this guy is doing something bad. I don't really do like party politics and stuff like that. So I have people on both sides depending on the issue. Because I went hard at the COVID issue, which is like a right leaning issue, right? Against the vaccines. I'm like, these pharmaceutical companies are very corrupt and that's a right leaning issue. But then there's other issues that like people side with more on the left, which is like the pro Palestine stuff, anti Israel. That's like more of a left issue. So then in the, and so then whenever I comment on something that's like really, I think, um, divisive, like I get hate on both sides. I've been called like a communist and, uh, you know, also like a libtard to like

• 1:45:26Theo Von?

  Good.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  right wing Nazi, like every

• 1:45:28Theo Von?

  But if you're getting called both things, you're probably doing a good job.

• 1:45:31Speaker 01

  So I've been called everything, like a CCP spy, which obviously, you know, you know,

• 1:45:35Theo Von?

  I've been called [BLEEP] a couple of times and Wiger. So. You know.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  Well, I think once you're in the game long enough, you it's not it's not possible to not be hated by somebody.

• 1:45:46Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, then you're probably doing something right. I feel like, you know, and you just have to do your best. It's like, you don't know what the fuck you're doing.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  But neither do those guys that have wearing the suits and everything. That's my thing. It's like those guys don't know what the fuck they're doing either. They just look like they know what they're doing. And I'm very open. It's like, hey, I'm just giving you as I see like I'm reading one chapter ahead. My job is to like inform you of what I found. And then you could take that for what it's well. I mean, that's like, I think that's the tied back to what we talked about in the beginning. It's like, that's the role of a teacher is like, I'm trying to just give you information. And then I hopefully that inspires you to do something that you want to do, right? A teacher's not supposed to say, hey, you need to become X, Y, and Z in your life. It's to give you information to then sort of let you then go out there and explore the world, like inspire you to do something else.

• 1:46:29Theo Von?

  That's what I get from your content. It's just like, um, you know, when I see stuff, it's like, that's interesting, you know, or that hmm, that's curious, you know? I think I just get a curiosity about it and uh, and this is kind of one of the first times where media has been open and be able to kind of say what they want. Like media has been vastly kind of controlled by a couple of corporations over the past, what 50 years, 100 years, maybe?

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you're going to see a co-op and they're going to try to co-op people like myself. I'm already seeing it happen, right? Cause they now they can get people to say exactly what they've said in mainstream media, but then through the lens of like a TikToker who's just wearing regular clothes. So you're going to see that battle, like an information warfare will continue. And that's why for me, I've always stayed very, very, you know, diligent about making sure that I'm not taking money for anybody that I don't want to, you know, like I'm basically fully independent. I want to say that's why I got in the game. Like I could have made a lot more money doing consulting work that was easy, you know, straightforward. But here, you know, I'm just hopefully here on like more of like a spiritual mission, you know?

• 1:47:29Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, I think, I mean, you want to live, like if, if, if Earth exists and we're all going to live here and America was this thing that you believe in or that you knew your grandparents believe in, a lot of people are like, you know, I'm trying to believe in what America stands for, the best parts of it, the most moral parts of it. Or that being a human stands for because like. Like, you know, I had a family member that died for these goals, or I had a family member that, you know, who sacrificed their life to work here in this country under these rules, so that I could go to school in a place that was, you know, free, democratic, you know, it's like, I think people just want to have a life, they want to have a chance to live, and their children to do so. And if you start to think that there's all these dark controlling forces out there,

• 1:48:12Theo Von?

  um, which mostly are probably elites and people that are like extreme capitalists or power hungry, uh, that's very scary. And you start to realize, oh, there is a, there's a battle of good and evil at a certain point.

• 1:48:26Speaker 01

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 1:48:27Theo Von?

  And that we're in that, maybe. You know, sometimes you don't want to think like, hey, maybe I'm a character in something, you know? But maybe you are, you know? Maybe this is a battle of good and evil and you are, you are supposed to have a role in it, not, you know, you and everybody. You know, it's like, um, sometimes we sit at home, we're like, man, I wish I'd have been picked to be like a hero or something. And it's like, maybe you gotta fucking tap yourself on the shoulder, you know what I'm saying? Because I do feel like life is a bad, I do feel like there's, there's good and evil in the world right now. And, um, I don't know how it plays out, uh, but it feels scary and it feels alarming. And I just feel like a lot of people feel that.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the, the, I completely agree with you and I would, I would just, you know, to kind of spin it on a positive note, there's a lot of times through history, I don't think we're living through like the worst of times by any stretch of the imagination. I think, I think you could feel that way sometimes with maybe social media and things like that. Right, but, but I think there, even in dark times, like people really struggling out there, I think there could, definitely can be happiness found in dark times.

• 1:49:26Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, dark chocolate. Look at that, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:31Speaker 01

  There you go, so.

• 1:49:32Theo Von?

  Well, I know it's for sure, it's like, if I need to, like, if I want to get my head out of like some of the rabbit holes, because your algorithm will take you down some crazy, it'll take you down some spots where it just repeats information. And you can feel little bits of indoctrination coming in, you know, you feel the fucking, you smell a little indoctrination smoke sometimes, you're like, I gotta quit doing this. But if you separate yourself from your phone sometimes, and any, and any of the things that are kind of edgier in the world, or darker in the world, then things get light again pretty quick, I feel like.

• 1:50:02Speaker 01

  I think so. I mean, yeah, you have to like step away from this kind of stuff from time to time. It's like, you know, your own body better than anybody else. If you think you need to turn it off, you gotta turn it off. And that's why I try to do that with some of my content is like, the, the natural path, if you start looking down these like conspiracies, it's get darker and darker and darker. And some people are okay with that. For me, it's like, I still want to provide videos for people where they could still take action, right? Cause some of those things like, okay, some, some, there's some like dark lizard family that's running, you know, running the world. Like there's nothing you could really do about that. But if I give you information on like, hey, Amazon Ring cameras are like spying on your family through this old dog thing that at the Super Bowl, like you should probably get rid of your ring camera. That's something that you can actually do. It's like, I don't want to be a part of that ring camera thing. So I'm.

• 1:50:44Theo Von?

  Do you feel like they're doing that?

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are. They, well, they, they were connected with to the, um, to that company Flock, which is giving the, the footage to, to. Exactly. To the police. And they thought the dog video would work. They honestly did, cause I looked into it and they thought the dog video was a good video. There was this whole PR campaign pre-Super Bowl, but then people saw that weird thing in the Super Bowl with all the lights going out. And it's like, whoa, hold on a second. And they said 10 million dogs are lost a year. This is going to find 300 dogs a year of like 300 out of 10 million dogs. I don't think that's a worthy trade off.

• 1:51:15Theo Von?

  Right. It seems like a scam.

• 1:51:16Speaker 01

  It seems like a scam. So then that is a videos like that, that video went decently viral. And I think that's something that people can, can gravitate to because they can actually do something about that.

• 1:51:26Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  And that's why like, I'm trying to play sort of a line with my editorialization, which yeah, some videos are going to be about more of the conspiracy digs, but some of it's going to be things that you can do something about, right? It's like what banks are good, what banks are bad. You can choose your bank.

• 1:51:40Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:51:40Speaker 01

  Right? You can't choose like, you know, whether we're going to bomb Iran tomorrow or not. That's something that's totally out of your control.

• 1:51:46Theo Von?

  Right. Yeah, I agree. And like keeping stuff that's in your control. What is a good bank, man?

• 1:51:51Speaker 01

  What is a good bank? I mean, I'm not, I mean, I, I don't, I mean, local bank, honestly, like credit unions that are in your local community, like small regional banks are probably the best banks because they still, they're tied to the community. They're not some kind of giant conglomerate like JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, that kind of thing. So that's what I would look for in terms of like, who you should go. There's some like new fintech stuff. I'm making a video about this company named Chime, which has been sponsoring a lot of, um, content creators that are like, you know, the, the, the, the ones that are all about like giving money that they find some homeless person. They're like, oh, let me, you know, help you out for the day, that kind of thing, like really like heartwarming content, but it's like sponsored by Chime, which is like a pretty nefarious. I, I don't have all the information quite yet because I'm still starting to dig, but it's like, oh, this is seems

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  like kind of a semi scam that you're running here, but then you're, you're advertising through all these good content creators that are making heartwarming content. So it seems like that's kind of, you know, there's a little bit of susness to that.

• 1:52:46Theo Von?

  Well, maybe they're trying to rebrand themselves too, you know?

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  Well, it's new. It's a fintech. It's a new company.

• 1:52:50Theo Von?

  Interesting.

• 1:52:51Speaker 01

  So that's something I'm still digging into allegedly, you know, I'm not, not insinuating that they've committed crimes or anything like that, but I just think that people, those are things that people should know. It's like, oh, because they could see that video and like, oh, I should sign up for Chime to do my banking.

• 1:53:03Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:53:04Speaker 01

  But then they could be taken, taken advantage of because they're not under the regular, you know, FDIC protection, all the regular banking authorities because they're outside of that.

• 1:53:11Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:53:12Speaker 01

  So that's, that's the kind of stuff that it's like a bit, bit of a balance for me of, of digging into conspiracies, digging. So I'm, I'm like a very much like a generalist in that sense of like, maybe it's just like my brain, like ADD, ADHD kind of thing. I'm not diagnosed or anything like that, but I, I see something. I was like, oh yeah, I'm going to do that for a little bit. And then I'm like, I gotta stay on this. But then something else has caught my eye. So that's a little bit of a weakness of mine, but also could be a strength in that I do videos about a lot of different things.

• 1:53:36Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, I think we gotta have a gopher. You gotta have something that goes in there and digs over here and like, you know, he chews on this vegetable and then goes over there for a radish and then goes underground and looks at the roots, you know? I think that that's, that's something we need more than ever. And it's, um, and it's interesting and, uh, and it's just freelance. It's like, you know, you're trying your best to work in freelance. 5149, that's your podcast? How often is it out? And do you still, if you have a co-host on it?

• 1:54:01Speaker 01

  So yeah, so I do a show called 5149. That's when I do more of like the investigative digs on my YouTube channel.

• 1:54:06Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:54:07Speaker 01

  And I also host a show called The Todayish Podcast with my co-host Danny Love and we, that's sort of like more of like a fun podcast where we're just having conversations about like what went on during the week. She's like much more of like a ten head than I am. So she's, you know, I'm having a conversation. I'm like talking about Peter Thiel, Palantir.

• 1:54:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:23Speaker 01

  You know, they're taking over, um, you know, surveillance. And then she'd be like, I think Peter Thiel's a lizard.

• 1:54:28Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  I'm like, okay, all right, cool. So then, so she, we, she gets a little bit more weird than I do, but it's like a fun dynamic of like, you're, we're trying to give you like important stuff, but like packaged in more of like a fun and lighthearted way. Um, so I also do that show called The Today. So it's more of like a two hour live podcast that we do every single week. And then if you want the digs, that's on my channel 5149 James Lee. You could also find me on Instagram still as well as Facebook, R I P to the TikTok.

• 1:54:53Theo Von?

  Then we'll get you back on there, huh?

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  No, not, not, not as of right now. I think they're, they're fully under the, the Israeli regime at the moment.

• 1:55:02Theo Von?

  You think so, huh?

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:03Theo Von?

  I know. Yeah. A lot of our stuff got shadow banned on there. It seems like we've had stuff go down.

• 1:55:06Speaker 01

  But you, you can't, they can't ban you because you're so big, right? Cause me, I was, you know, I think I was around 300,000 followers. So I was like my, some of my videos would be popping up into the millions, but I'm not so big. It's like, oh, James Lee is, is deleted. Like there's going to be a huge outcry. Like if you got deleted off of TikTok, there'd probably be a huge, huge backlash. So I'm in that perfect, like perfect place. Like let's get rid of this guy because he has enough influence. It's pissing us off, but he's not so big that we had, they, they find other ways to deal with, I think bigger people like from, I heard this guy, um, Guy Christensen. He goes by your favorite guy on TikTok. So they basically said they just demonetize him or they'll do like weird shadow banning stuff where he still has his account, but they limit the reach in other ways.

• 1:55:45Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. I think that that happens, man. I think it happens a lot. Um, James Lee, thanks for coming in, man. I'm sorry. We got caught up on time. You know, I gotta get to the airport. Uh, so that's reason why we're kind of caught up on time.

• 1:55:57Speaker 01

  Thank you for, you know, giving me a, a chance to like speak.

• 1:56:00Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:56:01Speaker 01

  Speak truth, things like that, you know, or my truth at the very least. I'm just trying to help. I ultimately, I'm just trying to, to hopefully provide like a voice out there that people, you know, can maybe turn to. Maybe they don't like me, then you can go watch something else. But like, at least provide that media alternative to what's going on with the world, you know?

• 1:56:18Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, we've always been able to be curious. I mean, it would be wild if we couldn't be. Um, and I think more than ever, it's like, yeah, there's, uh, yeah. People are trying to figure things out and just want to feel okay, you know? Um, James Lee, thank you so much, man. How are you doing, brother?

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