Share & Risk & Tell with Jay Jurden and Katie Nolan

Why were Taylor Swift's wedding guests and celebrity Knicks fans assigned "risk" scores inside Madison Square Garden's secret VIP database? Who was the karaoke MVP at the wedding afterparty? And would you rather test-drive the "most potent weed beverage known to man" ... or Bill Simmons' colonoscopy? Plus: Guy Fieri, Shaboozey, Polyp George, The Mike Vrabel Sliding Scale of Chivalry, The Blandino Tier and fogging the glass of exclusivity. • Read the follow-up story at WIRED https://www.wired.com/story/madison-square-garden-celebrity-database-surveillance • Previously on PTFO: We Got Inside Knicks Surveillance — and MSG's Deep State Is Stranger Than You Think https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/NjllMTliNzE1ZTkxZTA3YjFlOTRjOWU1 • Watch Jay Jurden's "Yes Ma'am" https://www.hulu.com/movie/jay-jurden-yes-maam-ba411b28-b68b-4884-91f0-ee8a5c7bed2b • Subscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan" https://pod.link/1788997372 (Pablo Torre Finds Out is independently produced by Meadowlark Media and distributed by The Athletic. The views, research and reporting expressed in this episode are solely those of Pablo Torre Finds Out and do not reflect the work or editorial input of The Athletic or its journalists.) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Pablo Torre?

  Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today, we're gonna find out what this sound is.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Tobey Maguire is a munch. He's an eater.

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• 0:56Pablo Torre?

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• 1:20Speaker 02

  How's everybody doing? Sorry that I'm late.

• 1:22Pablo Torre?

  Good.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  I came straight here. Straight here from a meeting with my agent.

• 1:27Pablo Torre?

  Ooh.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  Where they gave me a Guy Fieri Waterloo Seltzer.

• 1:31Pablo Torre?

  What?

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Apple Pie à la Mode flavor.

• 1:35Pablo Torre?

  Oh my god.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  And I said, I must try that.

• 1:37Pablo Torre?

  Waterloo sparkling water.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  I've never even considered making an apple pie soda.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Great American hero Guy Fieri.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, isn't he? He's good, right?

• 1:44Speaker 01

  I haven't heard anything from my Food Network connections.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  Oh, of which you have many, I assume.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, listen.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  You're all over the place.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  I could ask Padma. I'd be like, Padma, is Guy Fieri a bad person?

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Damn, she's cool.

• 1:57Pablo Torre?

  Did Guy Fieri insurrection?

• 2:00Speaker 02

  It feels low, but I don't mind if it's not. Right, I just don't want to lift it up and have you be like, no, that's too high. What did you Google?

• 2:07Pablo Torre?

  Was Guy Fieri there on January 6th?

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Ah, and you know what?

• 2:10Speaker 01

  That would... Talk about some diners driving in and die. At the Capitol, Insurrection Day?

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Let's see what it's all about, you know?

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Oh, let's see on air.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Smell it!

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Whoa, is it?

• 2:24Pablo Torre?

  We're finding out what Guy Fieri's...

• 2:26Speaker 01

  I, listen, I like it more than you.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  It smells like, I guess it's the cream, the Alamo.

• 2:31Pablo Torre?

  Zero sugar, zero calories.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  It's cream soda.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, which I don't like.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Apple pie cream soda.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  I know, and let's see, let's taste it.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Tastes like gum.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  So you'll hate it.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  So I know you'll hate it.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  First we lose to Belgium, now this?

• 3:08Pablo Torre?

  So you brought things to sample, and there are so many things that I was contemplating doing with you guys here today.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Ooh, I'm excited.

• 3:16Pablo Torre?

  One of which is, in fact, a drink to sample.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  I love to have a sip. I love to have a sip with Jay Jurden. Oh, wait, I might be changing my mind.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  What are we doing?

• 3:25Speaker 02

  High Rider. Is this weed alcohol? Wait a second.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Read it.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  High Rider Premium THC Spirit.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Berry infused appears to be the flavor, and then 100mg per serving?

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Listen, I'm very excited about this, Pablo. Let's go.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  High dose, zero proof, gluten free.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  I don't got no shows tonight. Let's do it. Let's do it.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  I got a dinner I'm supposed to...

• 3:53Pablo Torre?

  100mg per 2 ounce shot is the math that is presented by the endorser, which led me to bring this to you, who happens to be former pro basketball player, which is how he is introduced on the ad, Greg Oden.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Greg Oden?

• 4:09Speaker 02

  It says first time consuming THC. We suggest starting with one of our other High Rider lower dose products.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Absolutely not.

• 4:19Pablo Torre?

  Put the shots on the table.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  I have bad news. I have very bad news for you.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  What?

• 4:24Speaker 02

  I'm off the weed.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  What?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  My... Okay, so this is, I'm very actually devastated about this. I'm off the weed till at least Thursday, unless my psychiatrist is watching, in which case, then I'm off the weed forever.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  My psychiatrist gave me a drug test to, I assume, make sure I'm taking the medication I get prescribed, because a lot of people don't, and then they resell it.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  They sell it to me.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  While doing the drug test, she said, "Ooh, this tested positive for marijuana." And I said, "Whaaat?" And I went, "Uh huh." Assuming, who cares? Uh, I'm high-

• 4:57Speaker 01

  This is high school.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  I'm high right now. I'm like, "Of course it did." And she said, "Well, I, you know, that interacts with your medication. I don't feel comfortable prescribing to you if you're..." And I was like, "Well, I've been, this should put your mind at ease. I've been smoking weed since you've known me." So, it shouldn't be an issue. The interaction hasn't occurred. And she said, "I, I wouldn't be able to keep prescribing you your medication if you continue to smoke." So I've been pretending to not smoke weed for the last month, in the hopes it'll get out of my system, so I can test clean, so I can get back to smoking weed. I've been not smoking for a month. I can't blow it for this.

• 5:35Pablo Torre?

  So, just to give the backdrop here, Greg Oden, and this is first brought to us by Awful Announcing's Ben Ku on Twitter.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Shut up, Ben Ku.

• 5:43Pablo Torre?

  Greg Oden is a spokesman for most potent weed beverage known to man.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 5:48Pablo Torre?

  It's 100mg per shot. Most weed drinks are 5 to 20mg per can. This is basically the Everclear version of weed drinks just days after a judge in Ohio reinstated their legality. And the producers in the other room are saying, "Hey, Jay."

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't wait to watch Jay drink this.

• 6:02Pablo Torre?

  Want to do a shot?

• 6:03Speaker 01

  The producers are saying, "Hey, Jay, I can do the tiniest baby shot, but I don't need-"

• 6:08Pablo Torre?

  You could taste test it.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can taste test it. I don't need 100mg.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Nobody does.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  The people who need one, Doug Benson, Doug, you need Doug Benson here for this. Shout out comedian Doug Benson. He, he, he put a crazy straw in this. He'd go to town. Maybe Nick Swartson.

• 6:25Pablo Torre?

  We're building the Mount Rushmore alongside Greg Oden. So far, it's three faces. It's Greg Oden, Nick Swartson, and Doug Benson.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  I'm thinking about the people who can handle this.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Now, see, Dan might be able to, but Dan famously doesn't drink, so I don't know if a weed drink would cross some sort of a, he probably doesn't-

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, because all that time in Colorado, he was just around it, too. He kind of passively absorbed it.

• 6:46Pablo Torre?

  As always, Dan Soder, not Dan Lebatard.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Yes, sorry, I should say, because there have been times where I'm like, in bed, I turn to Dan, and people go, "She's sleeping with Dan Lebatard?"

• 6:56Pablo Torre?

  As someone who dosed Levitard with the tiniest weed gummy at my wedding and watched him go on a journey of self-discovery.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 7:03Pablo Torre?

  Through our wedding photos, yeah, he would not react the same way.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  That is, first of all, that, that is hilarious. That is funny. Secondly, I will taste test this.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Yes, thank you.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  I will do the tiniest taste test.

• 7:15Pablo Torre?

  We have shot glasses provided by HiRider.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  All right.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  Thanks, guys. Why does it have to be milky, first question?

• 7:20Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, visually, for those who are only listening, it is milky.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just wanna say, look, if we're looking at color and viscosity, uh, happy belated pride to me, again.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  You know?

• 7:33Pablo Torre?

  This is better than the alternative we were gonna do as Jay is getting ready to, to taste test. The alternative was to investigate Bill Simmons's colonoscopy.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, people wanted the footage, I heard.

• 7:45Pablo Torre?

  I mean, he heard about the Jalen Brown trade.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:49Pablo Torre?

  While having an actual colonoscopy. The quote there, this is the other alternate way to start the episode, from Bill Simmons, friend of the show, quote, "So when this trade happened at 3:20 Pacific time, I had a camera in my ass."

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 8:04Pablo Torre?

  And I had Paul George, I had Paul George being rammed up my ass, is the rest of that quote.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  He did say that, and I was like, where is he going with this?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  That is not PG-13.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  That's all right.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Paul George, I really.

• 8:17Pablo Torre?

  And we did, we did, uh, requests from Bill Simmons.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  The video of the inside of his asshole, isn't the podcast enough?

• 8:28Pablo Torre?

  Do we have the footage?

• 8:29Speaker 02

  No, come on.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  We don't, um, we're, we're saying no? All right.

• 8:33Pablo Torre?

  I'm hearing that's a no?

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Oh, thank God.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Okay, it does smell like berries.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  It better.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  It does smell like berries.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Now that's 20 milligrams right there.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  There is a, okay, the first notes, weed.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  The first note is weed, it's weed forward. There's a little bit more weed, and then, children's medicine-y.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  It's that berry.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Flavor. It tastes like something you would put in a syrupy cough medicine.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Like a Robitussin.

• 9:07Pablo Torre?

  Cleanst tones, vitamins, adjacent.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  I'm, I, I think you're gonna have to mix this with something. I think you're gonna have to like, put this with like a seltzer or something because, once again.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Well, no. It's not getting better, but it's not horrible.

• 9:29Pablo Torre?

  And that is something that Greg Oden can cosign completely.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, Greg Oden, I'll say this, is not the worst thing I've put in my mouth over the past couple of months.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  It's not the worst.

• 9:42Pablo Torre?

  Put that on the bottle.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:44Pablo Torre?

  Let's Photoshop that, put that on the bottle.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  And I guess I'll get high from this later on.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Who's begging to get high from a drink? What's the market for this, for a one-shot to knock you on your ass from weed?

• 9:58Pablo Torre?

  I'm about to go in for my colonoscopy. And I gotta get right.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Well, you know, it is probably, you want that third eye. Fully open.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  Fully open.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Dilated, that's what you need. Bill, imagine, no, what if, what if you boof this?

• 10:15Speaker 02

  And that's when you put it inside of your [BLEEP].

• 10:17Speaker 01

  That's when you put it in Bill Simmons' [BLEEP].

• 10:18Speaker 02

  That's right, like Paul George.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  What if the camera footage is Paul George? A little Paul George dancing around.

• 10:28Pablo Torre?

  A very different product, a very different endorsement.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  God, that's funny. Oh my, I didn't, so one thing about the, on Twitter, the Jalen Brown trade happened.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  Why are we doing this?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  A little bit.

• 10:40Pablo Torre?

  You're wearing Celtic green.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  A little bit, we can talk about it a little bit, Katie, we can't just talk about this weed [BLEEP] all the time.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  On Twitter, a lot of people were being like, he's being traded because he's too revolutionary. I was like, well, okay, he's, he likes to Twitch stream. He's not really like seizing the means of production. He's not going, that's what I'm saying, he's not like going to.

• 11:02Pablo Torre?

  Well, he is seizing the means of producing his own live stream.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, sports content.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  He's not going to like the, the NBA Players Association and be like, we gotta do this kind of stuff. He's not like actually, I don't think he was being that crazy. I just think that like sometimes, especially with the way media and sports intersect right now, is that if you say anything, everything that happens to you after that, we do get to say, that's why they did it. We can say, oh, that's what happened. And it might not have been the case.

• 11:29Pablo Torre?

  I think that one fundamental issue with Jalen Brown was the Celtics had this decision when they were like. All right, so we're gonna end up disagreeing with how much this guy thinks he is worth over time.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:40Pablo Torre?

  And so is this gonna get harder or easier? And they decided, let's give Katie Nolan a bunch of fun draft picks and Paul George.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  A bunch of fun draft picks? It's like two, four picks, and they're not soon.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Wait, Katie mentions the trade? Is that what the official?

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I actually got traded. I got traded away. No.

• 11:58Pablo Torre?

  Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, we do have the colonoscopy video.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  No, you don't.

• 12:02Pablo Torre?

  Let's roll it.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  What is this about to be? If it's the [BLEEP] from the bathtub, I swear to [BLEEP] God. Oh, my God!

• 12:09Speaker 03

  So we're pulling the colonoscope back through a normal, healthy colon that's very well-prepped, and you see this bump that's...

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Oh, my Lord. That polyp looks like Adam Silver's head.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Polyp George? Is there anything there?

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Polyp George?

• 12:24Pablo Torre?

  I think there's more there than anybody was expecting.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  Oh, they're gonna take that out. They're gonna take that out, send it to Boston.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  With more detail.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, what is this, Pablo? What are you showing us?

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Is that?

• 12:36Speaker 02

  What snuff film is this?

• 12:37Pablo Torre?

  I feel like we gotta blur this in post.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  I don't know. This is, I mean...

• 12:44Speaker 02

  This is not something I needed today. They're drying it nicely with that little pipette, though. It's doing a good job.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  Surrounding the bottom piece of that polyp. We're gonna now close that snare, and the patient feels nothing of this as this is being done.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Whoa, whoa!

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Are we seeing the polyp removal in real time?

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Pablo, is this from your dad? Where'd you get this?

• 13:09Pablo Torre?

  This is from the American College of Gastroenterology.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  That was like you guys showed us a pimple about to be popped, but not popped. If we were gonna see the lance around the thing, I'd like to see the actual removal of the polyp.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  I mean, here's the thing. I thought the most graphic thing in the day would be the [BLEEP] weed drink. I really did.

• 13:27Pablo Torre?

  We haven't even hit our first break yet.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  And we went straight down in there.

• 13:33Pablo Torre?

  So I should say for the record-

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Why aren't you drinking any of it?

• 13:36Pablo Torre?

  I am doing journalism.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I tasted it and it hasn't, nothing's-

• 13:42Pablo Torre?

  I should say that Bill Simmons said, quote, "I think that violates some sort of HIPAA rule," end quote, when I asked for his colonoscopy video.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Actually, technically it does not because he's not a doctor. So if Bill Simmons wanted to send you his colonoscopy video, that wouldn't violate HIPAA at all.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  That would be a different kind of violation.

• 14:02Speaker 02

  Let him know. You can tell him I said that.

• 14:03Pablo Torre?

  Katie Neill.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  And tell him I didn't fall for it when he said he was at Taylor Swift's wedding. I saw everybody last night going, "Bill Simmons still got it. He convinced us he was at Taylor Swift." No, he didn't. It was so obvious he was lying. What are we doing, everybody? Reading comprehension?

• 14:17Speaker 01

  I saw someone last night who was at the wedding, I think. Nikki. Nikki Glaser.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, she was.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  She was doing some time at the stand and I walked in and she was onstage in the upstairs room because she was running to a different set. But as for her, she looked great, very funny stuff. She looked very normal. She didn't talk about it.

• 14:34Pablo Torre?

  So I have also, I've been, I've been doing some, some, some reporting.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Are you finding out?

• 14:39Pablo Torre?

  I'm trying to find out.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Who was there?

• 14:41Speaker 02

  That guest list is crazy.

• 14:42Pablo Torre?

  What it was like. My favorite, who's your favorite person on the guest list?

• 14:45Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know.

• 14:46Pablo Torre?

  I have one and I think it's shared by others.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Who?

• 14:49Pablo Torre?

  Dean Blandino.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, okay. I brought him up because I was like, who the [bleep]? Do you know who Dean Blandino is?

• 14:54Pablo Torre?

  Fox NFL rules expert, former ref.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Fox NFL rules and used to be the head ref for the NFL, also dipped his toe in stand-up comedy.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  This is-

• 15:03Pablo Torre?

  He did?

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Yes, he did.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  This is funny.

• 15:06Pablo Torre?

  Has a, has a tight five?

• 15:07Speaker 01

  But former, former.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  He may have.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Not associated with the league anymore.

• 15:11Pablo Torre?

  He's now a former ref.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  If he were still current, would it be allowed? I don't know why not.

• 15:16Pablo Torre?

  That's a great sketch.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Can refs go to weddings?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  I don't know. It'd be weird to invite one, certainly.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Because then you're kind of like, hey, man.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Hey, I brought you my wedding.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  The minute they're mic'd up, hey, man, I brought you my wedding.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  It shows how bad I am with conflicts of interest now in sports where I just go like, well, everybody can do everything. I don't see why that'd be a problem.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  You can't.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  I don't see the issue, Jay.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  You can't bring a ref to a wedding.

• 15:40Pablo Torre?

  Like Sean Hockley was at Taylor's wedding.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:43Pablo Torre?

  That is a massive.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  That would actually make a lot. It's kind of like inviting the entire hosts of Good Morning America to your wedding. It's like, why would you do that if not to have them discuss your wedding?

• 15:53Speaker 01

  And I mean, what they they closed off all of the garden except for all of the pictures that we saw on the inside. So who was leaking the stuff?

• 16:02Speaker 02

  But then I also feel like it's AI. Like, I don't know if anything is real or not.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  There's bad stuff, but then there is some stuff that's real.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 16:10Pablo Torre?

  What is real, according to my ongoing reporting, is that this thing went to like 5 a.m.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 16:18Pablo Torre?

  And there was karaoke.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  In that room is crazy. Because if you get up there and you're not a singer and in front of all those people to sing.

• 16:26Pablo Torre?

  And I was asking like, so who's who was who was like the karaoke MVP?

• 16:29Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 16:30Pablo Torre?

  And the response was, besides Taylor?

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course, of course, as you should. Respect for the bride.

• 16:35Pablo Torre?

  Apparently Fergie was awesome at karaoke.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  I don't believe that.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  I believe that. Wild Orchid, Fergie, back in the day, not All-Star Fergie. If Fergie, if she was in her right mind and it wasn't the Star Spangled Banner, I think she probably crushed it. If she wasn't doing flips. She has that amazing video of her doing flips when she's singing.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Isn't that Pink's thing, though?

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Yep. And now she gets to host the Tonys.

• 17:07Pablo Torre?

  Katie, did you, when you were observing how Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce did their wedding, were you inspired?

• 17:14Speaker 02

  To plan my own? No.

• 17:16Pablo Torre?

  To invite a thousand people?

• 17:17Speaker 02

  It's apparently.

• 17:18Pablo Torre?

  To invite entire morning show hosting crews?

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Apparently, it is the easiest part is to get that guest list up. It runs away from you very quickly.

• 17:24Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  And so I had certainly thought about like, okay, when Dan and I get married, like, where do we cut it off? A lot of Dan's closest friends are incredibly famous people. Same kind of, I guess. I've got some famous friends, although not famous enough to get us into a party at Cannes.

• 17:39Pablo Torre?

  No. Katie and I were in France and we're fogging the glass of exclusivity.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  We were trying to get in to watch the France match. Nobody was showing it. And then they were like, we can't let people like you in.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  I don't know what that means. He has a Pulitzer. And so, um, yeah, it made me nervous about our guest list. And I was like, maybe we should start. Writing it down and seeing who we would invite and who we wouldn't.

• 18:04Pablo Torre?

  And then leaking strategically.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Because it's that, it's that like, that first circle, second circle, that third tier is when it starts to get.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:13Pablo Torre?

  They call it the blandino tier.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've seen blandino not getting the invite to our nuptials, I'll tell you right now.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Was the Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey wedding tiered? Were there people who got, there are people who had great seats and people who had okay seats, right?

• 18:26Pablo Torre?

  Where was Mike Vrabel?

• 18:27Speaker 01

  That's what I'm asking.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Did you see, did you see the video of him getting in the car with his wife?

• 18:31Speaker 01

  No.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  If you're PR for that situation, you would be going, okay, so you and your wife are gonna be at Taylor Swift's wedding. There's gonna, people will be taking videos or whatever. Just make sure you show a lot of, what's the chivalry, you're very chivalrous.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Oh, look at my wife who I love.

• 18:44Pablo Torre?

  Throw your jacket on the ground.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Totally, but instead it's a video of just him walking, opening the door of the car and getting in. And then her trailing behind him.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Okay, that entire saga, there were, so, once again, online, because I know so many gay people who also like football, some of them were like, hey man, hey, hey, just let people cook a little bit. And then some people were like disgusted to a degree where I was like, well, okay, you can be mad and you can voice your opinion. But now I'm starting to think you've been wronged and that's why this is so upsetting to you. It's very public and very messy, but like, at this point, if you go to a wedding, you're gonna have to put on the best front.

• 19:27Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, the take that I had is I've been, in this very specific car-related circumstance, Mike Vrabel. I have gotten into the car first because my wife.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Pablo, clarify.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  You cheated on your wife, that's crazy.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  I have cheated on my wife with a reporter.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  We have all been there.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Allegedly, I should say.

• 19:46Pablo Torre?

  I got to get into the car first because my wife's gonna climb over a seat in a dress.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, yeah, totally. Here's the thing, had you and your wife just very publicly gone through something? No, and so you would think, at least fake it, overly fake it. Meanwhile, Diana's getting hounded on whatever cruise ship she's on. Everyone's just taking pictures of her and her children and sending them to TMZ. And Vrabel's like, I'm not gonna hold the door for my wife?

• 20:16Speaker 01

  TMZ really turned everyone into a rogue photojournalist.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Ugh, yuck.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Which I think-

• 20:21Pablo Torre?

  Why'd you go on a cruise?

• 20:23Speaker 01

  People got mad.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  She probably can't leave her house.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Still?

• 20:29Speaker 02

  People online, it's like, here's the thing. The way the internet has become so segmented now, it's like, you can be served the stuff that makes you mad. I know I personally actively go, "I'm going down a road that's gonna affect my algorithm. Let me pull back. I'm clearly being served this because they want me activated and angry." But there are people who are not doing that work. And so they're being served this stuff that makes them angry. And because they never refuse it, they just double down on it. So there are communities online that really think that when the NFL season starts back up, like, all of the things Diana has, they wanted her vote taken away for the NFL awards. There are communities that are fully still every day-

• 21:12Pablo Torre?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Posting about this drama.

• 21:14Pablo Torre?

  What?

• 21:14Speaker 02

  Like, "When is the NFL gonna take action?" And it's, they're not rooted in reality, but those are actual people that are alive that are still this invested in this drama.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  You know what those people need?

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:27Speaker 01

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• 21:44Pablo Torre?

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• 22:57Pablo Torre?

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• 24:14Pablo Torre?

  How are you feeling, by the way? Anything with this?

• 24:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  What if you did a little bit more?

• 24:19Speaker 01

  I can't drink anymore of the weed and I'm gonna keep calling it that.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Come on. It is that.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  It's crazy. It's crazy I'd be doing it with you. I genuinely, I feel bad. I would be doing it with you, I just...

• 24:33Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  That bitch doctor. Don't let me have any fun. At one point, she goes, "Why are you smoking weed?" And I just looked at her and I said, "Because?"

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Because!

• 24:45Speaker 02

  What do you mean, "why"? You gotta have a reason?

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Oh my god, sometimes I wanna watch Invincible.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Why am I smoking weed? So I can relax at the end of the day?

• 24:52Pablo Torre?

  And then you also did the Elphaba run in response.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  And you get super high.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  She's wearing green, folks. That was perfect.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Ugh, thank you. It was also falsetto, I cheated.

• 25:05Pablo Torre?

  I suppose that I should acknowledge that part of the through line in all of this is that we are living in something of a surveillance state.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:13Pablo Torre?

  We're always being watched. And as we discuss Madison Square Garden and this wedding and watching who's going in and who's going out, I do wanna point out that what I have been reviewing here, without your knowledge, is an exclusive first look at a new story that is publishing on the same day as this episode over at wired.com. Because we collaborated here at Palatory Finds Out on an investigation into the deep state of surveillance at Madison Square Garden.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. Yes, I've heard about this.

• 25:41Pablo Torre?

  Co-written by Noah Schachman, the story does detail that there was a trans person at the center of at least one chapter of that story. And so this follow-up reveals the existence of a database. And this database is part of a much larger trove of documents published last month by a hacker collective. So I'm not cosigning the hacking or the hacker collective, but they're known as Shiny Hunters. 404 Media was the first to break the news on that hack. And the VIP list that has been released, I do wanna share with you guys. And I should also, for legal reasons, read from Wired's new article, quote, A class action lawsuit claims that this spill of private data was a byproduct of Dolan's growing surveillance state.

• 26:24Pablo Torre?

  A representative for The Guardian did not respond to a request to comment, end quote.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 26:29Pablo Torre?

  And we hear Palpatine finds out, reached out to MSG for a previous episode, aforementioned with Wired, and they gave a statement that the magazine's reporting was, quote, "built on false, misleading, unverified allegations, including claims drawn from lawsuits filed by rapacious litigators," end quote.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  Rapacious.

• 26:45Pablo Torre?

  Rapacious.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 26:46Pablo Torre?

  But what we have here today, as we go deep into this reporting, is new insight about the extent to which MSG has labeled its, frankly, loyal celebrity fans.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 26:58Pablo Torre?

  With a risk score.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 27:01Pablo Torre?

  And reportedly why. We are now presenting this level of detail about the 39,540 or so entries in the so-called talent database.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  39,000?

• 27:15Pablo Torre?

  Which tracks bold-faced names in business, technology, politics, media, and sports, along with their guests.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Wait, so none of us made it, because they didn't reach out to me for comment?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Charles Oakley, is he just on a piece of paper by itself that says, "No"?

• 27:29Pablo Torre?

  What they have here in this system is about 400 celebrities assigned a risk score. And if you're wondering, what is the scale like?

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:39Pablo Torre?

  Well, the first, and we'll start in...

• 27:42Speaker 02

  Least risky.

• 27:43Pablo Torre?

  Exactly right. It's called just FLAG, you're flagged.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:48Pablo Torre?

  Least serious. It's an indication to discuss the VIP with a supervisor. And then you go up one level, and you get to actually a tier on which five of the publicly identified attendees at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's MSG wedding were marked. This is low risk.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Ooh, ooh, ooh, I want to guess them.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Okay, so these are people who, they're in the MSG system, but they were also invited to the wedding by Taylor or by MSG?

• 28:14Pablo Torre?

  Well, they were, I believe, invited by the happy couple.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:19Pablo Torre?

  But they...

• 28:20Speaker 02

  And congrats to them, by the way.

• 28:21Pablo Torre?

  And he should not bury the lead.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  I'm so, I'm so happy that they finally get to [BLEEP]. That's beautiful.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Finally, yeah.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  That's wonderful.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  People don't wait no more.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Her music, she comes out, her music is completely different now that she's finally...

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Taylor Swift sounds like The Weeknd now.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  That's what everyone said, with the fate of Ophelia. Everyone was like, "Oh, you don't get it. He's really [BLEEP] her." Now, we can get, Taylor, if you're listening, I know she listens. You know, if you want to win me back, make some nasty ass music.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Make some city girl music, Taylor Swift. Make some [BLEEP] strip club music. That's what I want.

• 28:58Pablo Torre?

  Make some polyp excising.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Yes, totally.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, some in the butt music.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Okay, so five guests that were invited are the second tier of risk.

• 29:09Pablo Torre?

  So who has been marked as low risk among the approximately 1,000 reported attendees at this wedding? Ice Spice.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Okay. New York, I get, I love that. Good for her. Well, she, because she's been kissing Tobey Maguire. You see that?

• 29:23Speaker 02

  What the [BLEEP] is that about?

• 29:25Speaker 01

  She was kissing Tobey Maguire.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  What the [BLEEP]? Yes.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Allegedly.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  She, they say.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  I'm learning from Pablo.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Her, her rep says they were sharing a vape.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Oh, I like that.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  But that is not what that looked like to me.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Also, Tobey Maguire, you vaping at 50? Toby.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  He's doing a lot at 50.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  Toby. Tobey Maguire with Ice Spice. That's like a super New York thing to do, is to kiss Ice Spice. Yeah.

• 29:49Pablo Torre?

  Can you imagine kissing Ice Spice while you're upside down?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  See?

• 29:52Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. They should have done that.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  They should.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  If you're gonna kiss Spider-Man, at least come out of him.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  At the white party? That's what's up. Man, good for her.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Can you imagine that sentence five years ago of like just Ice Spice and Tobey Maguire kissed at Michael Rubin's white party?

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Even crazier. Imagine, knowing this sentence, Tobey Maguire is a munch. He's an eater.

• 30:12Pablo Torre?

  Allegedly?

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Allegedly. Organic vaping. It's all over the place.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Okay, so Ice Spice is low risk. And when we say low risk, again, it's kind of a misnomer because it is the second level

• 30:23Pablo Torre?

  That's right.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  of risk in the system.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Ice Spice was at the wedding. Okay.

• 30:28Pablo Torre?

  Selena Gomez.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah. Yes, yes.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Why is she risky?

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Well, I, we don't know.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  She's brand safe as hell.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  No, I know what it is with Selena. Because if Selena comes, then Benny Blanco's gonna come. And then they're gonna have to blur that. Because you don't want to put that in front of the kids. Don't nobody need to see all that all the time.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  True.

• 30:46Pablo Torre?

  Benson Boone.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Benson Boone.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:49Pablo Torre?

  Speaking of guys who flip.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. Once again, a risk. We don't know.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  He tumbles for ya.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:56Pablo Torre?

  I should clarify that what we do know about the list as a concept is that this is what Wired Magazine says, according to a source with knowledge of the matter. They say that Garden Security has performed a social media sweep for prominent people looking for complimentary tickets to games.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Free ticks.

• 31:15Pablo Torre?

  If you're a celebrity and you're marked with a risk score, even as a low risk, it means, quote, "You've done something in the publicity world, the social media world, that has caught the attention of the wrong people," end quote. And so this talent database has entries dating back to December of 2020 and includes updates as recent as early June of this year.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  I hate that they do that.

• 31:36Pablo Torre?

  So prominent people are looking for complimentary tickets and they do a full social media colonoscopy.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  But they're so fa- they're so famous that is the sweep just like their music?

• 31:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  And their movies?

• 31:49Pablo Torre?

  We cannot speak to their judgments.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  What did Benson Boone tweet back in the day? That his old tweets are coming back up?

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like-

• 31:57Pablo Torre?

  Or what Instagram posts caught the eyes of

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess.

• 32:00Pablo Torre?

  Jim Dolan's security force.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  This is crazy. Who else?

• 32:04Pablo Torre?

  Michael Strahan.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Flagged.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Whoa, alright.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Flagged for what?

• 32:08Pablo Torre?

  And the fifth member of the Swift Kelsey Five.

• 32:14Pablo Torre?

  Actor Mariska Hargitay.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Wait.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  That doesn't make any sense.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Knicks royalty, Mariska Hargitay?

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Now, here's my, here's where I would agree with James Dolan.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  Would be if they flagged her because she spent a lot of time like with the Lakers and I would be annoyed by that if it were my team and you were coming in here being a Knicks fan and you were like just five days ago rooting for the Lakers.

• 32:42Pablo Torre?

  Well, one of the things that you learn as you go through this list is that a lot of the super fans from like the parade.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:48Pablo Torre?

  They got tagged as low risk, the second highest of the rankings. So for instance, Edie Falco. Also on there.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  What?

• 32:56Pablo Torre?

  Tracy Morgan, also on there.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Well, that's because every time Tracy Morgan talks, he threatens to [BLEEP] in somebody. He always like, you know, I don't pull out. Like every Tracy Morgan interview, he's talking to everyone.

• 33:06Pablo Torre?

  He did threaten to impregnate the Statue of Liberty.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Exactly. Because he's old school. He don't pull out. Katie, I don't know if you know this.

• 33:12Pablo Torre?

  Allegedly.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  He's old school.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  I didn't know he doesn't pull out.

• 33:16Pablo Torre?

  Even Ben Stiller.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:18Pablo Torre?

  Got flagged.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  So everyone has some form of risk, I would assume then. Who's spotless? Who has no risk?

• 33:26Speaker 02

  No Timothy Chilamie?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Did he not go to the wedding?

• 33:28Speaker 02

  I don't think he went to the wedding.

• 33:29Pablo Torre?

  Let's go to medium risk.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Okay. Oh, oh, we get, I didn't know.

• 33:33Pablo Torre?

  We're going up.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  I like this.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  This is a fun game.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  What if you took another tiny sip?

• 33:38Speaker 01

  There's some left in here.

• 33:39Pablo Torre?

  Being legally advised by the producers behind the glass to say, don't do that, Jay.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Oh, don't take another little sip?

• 33:45Pablo Torre?

  Okay.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Well, you know.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  He did, though.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Hey, it still tastes like weed.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 33:50Pablo Torre?

  Medium risk, the actor Lily Allen.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Whoa, okay.

• 33:56Pablo Torre?

  And her ex, David Harbour.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  Actor? We're doing actor?

• 33:59Pablo Torre?

  We're going actor.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  He's a singer. Yeah.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Actress.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  Do you not know who Lily Allen is?

• 34:03Pablo Torre?

  Uh, I believe she's an English singer-songwriter and actress.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, fair. I mean, what was she in? Probably like, what was the?

• 34:09Speaker 01

  That husband, that husband, he's high risk.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  That husband?

• 34:12Pablo Torre?

  Well, they have a history of crazy. He's a medium risk character.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  He was a high risk to her.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  That's crazy. If he's high, if he's, if she's medium risk, he's high risk.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  He was, because you get David Harbour in the image, he gonna try [BLEEP] everybody.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 34:25Pablo Torre?

  Allegedly. Morgan Wallen.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's high risk to me. That's high risk. Don't invite him in. I can't believe how many people are just loudly like, I love Morgan Wallen. I thought we were, I thought we shamed that out of society.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  You put a microphone in front of Morgan Wallen, he's saying some stuff. You put a chair on the balcony in front of Morgan Wallen, he's throwing some stuff. Let's, that's, he's.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Medium risk.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Higher risk for Morgan Wallen.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  And that's a hot pink center is medium risk?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  That's crazy to me, Morgan Wallen.

• 34:56Pablo Torre?

  Conde Nast Chief Content Officer, Anna Wintor.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Medium risk.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  That's crazy. Imagine being like, Anna Wintor and Morgan Wallen are the same risk.

• 35:07Pablo Torre?

  Now, here's the craziest one to me.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 35:10Pablo Torre?

  Is, I think this is, this is, this is shocking.

• 35:16Pablo Torre?

  Fat Joe.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 35:18Pablo Torre?

  Shocking, let me explain. Shocking because he could not have been more complimentary of James Dolan during this whole Knicks championship run. I believe he compared James Dolan to Batman.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Don't do that.

• 35:28Pablo Torre?

  He was so, so effusive about how awesome Jim Dolan has been to him. And what, apparently, according to Wired's reporting, apparently, the reason why Fat Joe was flagged is because of his connection of one of my favorite people in both the world of music and in podcasting, Jadakiss.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 35:50Pablo Torre?

  Who had been critical of Dolan in the past.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Oh, so being critical of James Dolan can get you higher up on this list?

• 35:56Pablo Torre?

  Absolutely.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Okay, that's what it is. It's not actual connections to crimes or anything.

• 36:01Pablo Torre?

  This is entirely, apparently, yes, a scan of what you've said in the past and your posts, one quote that is relevant to our understanding is, quote, "It seems like he's always happier," he being James Dolan, "always happier when the team sucks." That's what Jadakiss said back in 2020.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  So us doing this is already putting us, we're never gonna get.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  This is how you know I've never requested. I'm either not considered a celebrity or I've never asked for free tickets from MSG because I'm at the top of the list of this.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  We're never getting free tickets after we keep talking about.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  I've never said a nice thing about him in my life. I couldn't find a nice thing to say.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  James Dolan, you wanna do a shot of High Rider together?

• 36:42Pablo Torre?

  I will say that Jay Jurden is wearing a Knicks cap.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:46Pablo Torre?

  And as our own scan of Jay's social media accounts has indicated.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Very pro-Nicks.

• 36:52Pablo Torre?

  You did write recently.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:54Pablo Torre?

  Quote, "Knicks won, exclamation point, show ya dicks, son."

• 36:59Speaker 01

  Yes, please, happy pride.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Happy pride.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  That's why I said it.

• 37:03Pablo Torre?

  You also wrote, in all caps, "F*** James Dolan."

• 37:06Speaker 01

  I did write that. That did happen.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Oh, oops, I forgot.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Probably in the, in the, "Hey, man, you looking so handsome" sense. I'm trying to f*** James Dolan.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  This is sad what you're doing.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  I don't like what you're doing.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Terrible of me to put that, what was that, on Twitter or something?

• 37:24Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  All caps, you say.

• 37:25Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  All caps. Do we have the screenshot of the tweet? Because I feel like that could be AI. Have we talked about this?

• 37:32Pablo Torre?

  You said it shortly after James Dolan's White House visit announcement.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Yeah, I meant to.

• 37:39Pablo Torre?

  You also said, quote, "I think it's beautiful that everyone in New York City loves the Knicks almost as much as they hate James Dolan."

• 37:45Speaker 01

  I did say that. That did some numbers. That did well, I think.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  And don't blame him. Blame...

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Blame Barry.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Blame the highlighter, premium THC spirit.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  It wasn't me. It was the Greg Oden juice.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Blame it on the ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, highlighter.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Pablo goes, "He said, 'Bleep James Dolan.'" Well, sure. Sure.

• 38:07Pablo Torre?

  Jay, why did you tweet, quote, "Shaboozie Nigerian ass and said [BLEEP] about ICE?" Three question marks.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true, though.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  Questions that need to be asked.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  You could have asked him that in person for that brand or whatever.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  So, I mean, I've just... I've started to realize that my power on Twitter... Say, what's making you laugh so much, Pablo? What did you find? What did I say?

• 38:34Pablo Torre?

  There are people still playing that goddamn Shaboozie song in Texas. "I'm gonna scream upside down smiley face."

• 38:40Speaker 02

  This song is what? What is that song?

• 38:43Speaker 01

  Three years old?

• 38:44Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Oh, Tipsy.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  So it's...

• 38:46Speaker 02

  Which was already a song.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  He deep fried Jaquan's song. So he deep fried it and put some Nashville hot chicken seasoning on it. And then he wanted to pretend like it was his own song. As much as I love interpolation in covers, it's the same song.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  I agree. I think a lot of people do this now. Yeah.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  For people to do that? That's what I'm saying. Amen.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  But, you know, shout out James Dolan.

• 39:13Pablo Torre?

  "I could never respect Shaboozie. The man only got famous from a country fried version of a Jaquan song."

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Thank you. Who said that?

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Is he wrong is the question. Like, was that wrong? No.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Controversial, maybe, but wrong. No.

• 39:26Pablo Torre?

  You also have a paragraph you wrote after Shaboozie got the People Magazine Hot Guy Summer Issue.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  What did I say? What did I say?

• 39:34Pablo Torre?

  "This is one of the worst covers I've ever seen in my entire life. It looks so ridiculously photoshopped to the point that it would be funny if it was intentional. Also, Shaboozie, you have to get your team to approve final images. This makes you look bad. Period."

• 39:45Speaker 01

  It does.

• 39:45Pablo Torre?

  Just a series of, like, actual...

• 39:47Speaker 02

  That's good advice, actually. Get your team to approve the final...

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Look at the image. The image is probably bad.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Get the select.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Show Katie the image.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  He looks like he's farting.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  That's what, it's bad.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  His, his eyes are like half closed on it.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  They send you final edits of things. You go, do the one where I have my eyes open. Do the one where it doesn't, it probably.

• 40:10Pablo Torre?

  He's doing, I'm a little teapot. Can they team up and get Shaboozie the Foolzy out of here, please?

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, Shaboozie the Foolzy.

• 40:18Pablo Torre?

  Just, just, uh.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  I said it.

• 40:20Pablo Torre?

  Returning us to.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  The high risk? Yeah, yeah.

• 40:23Pablo Torre?

  High risk. We have three names. You will maybe notice that there is a shared commonality in the three names they have available to share with you. They are Freddie Gibbs.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:34Pablo Torre?

  DaBaby and A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  I love when you say that.

• 40:39Pablo Torre?

  Could not sound less comfortable.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Well, now I'm seeing only rappers.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  I'm hearing the names of only black adult men who happen to be rappers.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Whatever the case may be, I don't, Freddie Gibbs, none of, A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie, Knicks fan. Freddie Gibbs, I don't think Freddie Gibbs is a Knicks fan. Who else, who was the other, who was?

• 41:00Pablo Torre?

  DaBaby.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  DaBaby is definitely a Charlotte Hornets fan, famously.

• 41:03Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  So, I mean, I don't get the, isn't he a celebrity?

• 41:08Pablo Torre?

  DaBaby actually recently opened up a, uh, chicken and waffles restaurant in Charlotte.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, he's like a hu, he's from Charlotte, he's a huge Charlotte Hornets fan. I don't understand why he would, he's, I mean, if he comes to the Garden, he's usually gonna be rooting against the Knicks. Or he's just gonna be kinda neutral.

• 41:26Pablo Torre?

  Well, high risk.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Didn't he have a?

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, he had a bad situation where one time at a concert, he kinda like, he told everyone that, I don't know, sucking dick was bad and.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Is there still a DaBaby and a Lil Baby?

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, famously.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Okay, I just wanted to make sure. Thank you for getting me caught up.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 41:48Pablo Torre?

  The quote from DaBaby was at Rolling Loud, "If you didn't show up today with HIV/AIDS, any of them deadly sexually transmitted diseases, that'll make you die in two, three weeks. Then put your cellphone light up."

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Well, up goes my cellphone light up.

• 42:01Pablo Torre?

  He continues.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  I gotta.

• 42:02Pablo Torre?

  Ladies, if your, put, smell like water, put a cellphone light. Now, wait, hold on.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Okay, my phone's going down, I think.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'm just, is me sheepishly in the back?

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Wait, alright.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Water?

• 42:16Pablo Torre?

  The baby is making us play Never Have I Ever?

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Water doesn't really smell like anything.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  But it smells like berry infused.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, mine smells like flowers, so I guess I'll take my phone down.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  What's the, and what's the, what's, he continues?

• 42:28Pablo Torre?

  Uh, yeah, and then he gets to, fellas, if you ain't sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Ain't sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot.

• 42:34Pablo Torre?

  Put your cellphone light up.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Put your cellphone light, oh, if you're not sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot, put your, well, obviously, right now, none of us are sucking [BLEEP] in the parking lot. My cellphone is not.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  There we go, hey! That was, that was minutes ago.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Now, is he against the parking lot or the gay? Like, he didn't specify.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  I think, I think he probably is against the gay. I think the parking lot, for some reason, he wanted there to be an immediacy to it.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  Ah, okay.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Cause it can't be like, if you never, right?

• 43:02Speaker 02

  I guess.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Also, he said, he said, ladies, if your [BLEEP] smell like water at Rolling Loud, when everyone's outside in that heat,

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Mm-mm-mm.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  A lot of cellphones going down.

• 43:21Speaker 04

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• 43:59Pablo Torre?

  I should say that there is another level, which isn't technically on the scale, but is labeled very definitively as do not host.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Whoa, do not host? So, these people will never get complimentary tickets. They always have to pay for their tickets.

• 44:13Pablo Torre?

  So, according to the reporting, one name, for instance, is comedian and longtime Knicks obsessive fan, Adam Pablo.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  What?

• 44:23Pablo Torre?

  Not to be hosted.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  He's so nice.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  You know why this is? This is because of Come Town, clearly. Or maybe because Adam's in his journalist bag right now.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Oh, you're no, you're thinking of Adam Friedland. Adam Pablo.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Adam Pablo.

• 44:40Pablo Torre?

  Not all Adams. Hashtag.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  What's the name of the show he was on?

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Happy Endings. ABC, my good friend Adam Pablo.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Adam Pablo.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  How could possibly Adam Pablo?

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Wait, does Adam know this?

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Do not host.

• 44:55Pablo Torre?

  I don't know if he knows this.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Adam Pablo is a higher risk than Morgan Wallen.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Do we have other do not hosts in here?

• 45:02Pablo Torre?

  We have iconic hip hop producer Pete Rock.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 45:05Pablo Torre?

  Who is a fan of the team, according to his Instagram account, but nonetheless, do not host. And then

• 45:11Pablo Torre?

  I want to show you the next name on screen because it is

• 45:18Pablo Torre?

  actress, model Julia Fox.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  Julia Fox.

• 45:21Pablo Torre?

  Well, I should say that, so in the spring of 2024.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Do not host.

• 45:24Pablo Torre?

  Julia Fox appeared courtside in this allegedly quite revealing outfit. By early April, she was barred from getting complimentary tickets.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Not really that revealing to me.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  They got mad about this?

• 45:37Pablo Torre?

  This is merely the timeline. Assigning motive is very difficult for legal reasons.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Good Pablo, really good stuff that was.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  I'm confused. I did see a game where this, but this was at, I guess, Crypto Arena, where Lizzo had her booty cheeks out and she got to sit courtside. Is it because the cheeks might have been out a bit?

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Julia Fox can't have the cheeks out a little bit in MSG? She's got a coat. You can sit on the coat.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  You can sit on the coat.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  I imagine she's on the risk list because she speaks her mind. It is a, and if you're just listening.

• 46:11Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, please describe.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  We will say it's she's got a brief, a full brief on the bottom, a white brief. And then on top, a high neckline tank.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  And so it's, and there's a little bit of midriff showing between the tank and the brief. But she's also got a huge, what appears to be some sort of a fur, big bird, yellow coat.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  I would not call this very revealing. Now, I'm not leaving the house in a brief.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  It is.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  But that's me.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  There, okay, so the bottom section is very underwear-esque. And so is James Dolan that conservative that this would be too revealing of an outfit?

• 46:48Pablo Torre?

  A question that should be phrased as a question.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  I'm impressed, though, because it's this list. If you say or do anything, you will never get the complimentary tickets to the game. Is basically what's stipulated.

• 47:05Pablo Torre?

  This is the people who MSG felt the need to monitor.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 47:08Pablo Torre?

  Because maybe they're not gonna do what we want them to do in exchange for the things that we might give them.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  It's, I feel like every time you learn something sort of about fame and celebrity and what it means to like move up through the ranks of the entertainment industry, you go, "High school again?"

• 47:25Speaker 02

  I know.

• 47:26Pablo Torre?

  Oh, there are lists. It's all, it's lists all the way down.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  This is a burn book. This is signing yearbooks. This is passing notes in class.

• 47:37Pablo Torre?

  There is also in this talent database, an interesting other feature.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 47:41Pablo Torre?

  That we should describe.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:43Pablo Torre?

  Because 93 entries are marked as LGBTQIA.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  What?

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, can I just say, pretty nice of them to include the IA. You wouldn't have thought that James Dolan wouldn't know that.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  They said, they said, "Come here, James, for a second. What are we gonna do about the intersex and asexual?" You go, "All right, make sure they're on there too."

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Just make sure they're also discriminated against equally by us. Allegedly.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Is Julia Fox labeled as LGBTQIA? She should be.

• 48:13Pablo Torre?

  Here are some folks who are.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  And they're all, they're all out before you read from this.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  No, probably not.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  But it's not out anybody.

• 48:24Pablo Torre?

  Phoebe Bridgers.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:26Pablo Torre?

  Uh, Geese's Emily.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Say the name, say the letter.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Guess the letter.

• 48:31Pablo Torre?

  Okay, I'll, I'll, I'll, let me, Geese's Emily Green.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:34Pablo Torre?

  Ricky Martin.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Ricky Martin, yeah. Is it just so these people get prioritized announcements about Nick's Pride Night?

• 48:41Speaker 02

  I bet not.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 48:43Speaker 02

  I would bet not.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  That is an amazing.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  It's a sweet interpretation.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Okay, but, okay, so the MSG labels some of these tiers as LGBTQIA.

• 48:54Pablo Torre?

  They have 93 entries are marked as LGBTQIA.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  That's a lot. I don't like this.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Pablo, they don't have a pink triangle next to the names, do they?

• 49:02Pablo Torre?

  Not to our knowledge.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Okay, good. I think that labeling them and the history of what they did to that trans individual.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Oh, admittedly.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  I'm starting to see some weird stuff.

• 49:15Pablo Torre?

  The lists and the existence of such secret lists and how many people are on them and what they're following. I think they raise at the very least follow-up questions from people who might wanna, you know, deeply care about how your favorite sports team thinks of its fans.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Now, are all of the arenas panopticons or just Madison Square Garden?

• 49:38Pablo Torre?

  Sorry, I just found another J tweet.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Yes, wait, I kinda love this.

• 49:41Pablo Torre?

  The reason I don't love Taylor Swift is because, truthfully, I only have room for one messy white woman pop star in my life, and her name is Aubrey Graham.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's true. About Drake? That's beautiful.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  That's funny.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Recently, I even said Drake is, he's Taylor Swift for so many boys.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Releasing three albums and every boy's like, you don't understand the impact this has.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  This has also been said of Shane Gillis is Taylor Swift for boys.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh my goodness, that's stadiums at the same time. Everyone's kind of like in and out of their relationship.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  That's good. Hmm, what would I say about Taylor Swift today? I'm happy she's married. I, I wonder, where's she at on this list? She's not, she's not risk at all?

• 50:30Pablo Torre?

  If nothing else, it seems like she is above all of this.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Did she have to go to James Dolan to get his blessing to marry the stadium?

• 50:38Pablo Torre?

  Oh, here's, here's something that I can report, I guess.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 50:42Pablo Torre?

  James Dolan was at their wedding.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, well, yeah.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  What, did he sit with the ICE detention center guy?

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Cause I've been wondering who that guy had to share a, who had to share a table with that guy, and now it's starting to make a lot of sense.

• 50:57Pablo Torre?

  Who among us hasn't invited an ICE contractor to our wedding?

• 51:09Pablo Torre?

  This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.

• 51:15Pablo Torre?

  And I'll talk to you next time.