How Feminization, Hypergamy, and Economic Collapse Are Reshaping Society - Rudyard Lynch (WhatIfAlthHist) X Tom Bilyeu Pt. 2

In the riveting conclusion of Tom Bilyeu’s conversation with WhatifAltHist, we journey deeper into the social and psychological forces driving the modern malaise. This segment picks up with the feminization of culture, the consequences for masculinity, and how evolutionary psychology explains everything from birth rate collapse to rising social distrust. With both wit and a sharp edge, WhatifAltHist analyzes the shifting dynamics between men and women, the devastating impact of merit suppression, hypergamy, and why Gen Z faces a world of atomized social interaction and declining family formation. Part two dives into the pathology of the modern left—from ideological purity spirals to the breakdown of authentic community and the rise of suicidal empathy. The conversation explores the perils of unchecked immigration, authoritarian overreach, and the dangers of ignoring biological realities. The episode wraps with hard-hitting advice on how society might regenerate—championing a return to masculinity, social trust, and the restoration of a truly human context. If you want insight into the deep mechanics of our culture war and the blueprint for unwinding the crisis, this is an essential listen. FOLLOW WHATIFALTHIST YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatifAltHist Twitter: https://twitter.com/whatifalthist ButcherBox: Your choice of holiday protein — ham or turkey in your first box, or ground beef for life — plus $20 off at https://butcherbox.com/impact Bevel Health: 1st month FREE at https://bevel.health/impact with code IMPACT Linkedin: Post your job free at https://linkedin.com/impacttheory HomeServe: Help protect your home systems – and your wallet – with HomeServe against covered repairs. Plans start at just $4.99 a month at https://homeserve.com Netsuite: Right now, get our free business guide, Demystifying AI, at https://NetSuite.com/Theory http://netsuite.com/Theory True Classic: Upgrade your wardrobe at https://trueclassic.com/impact Cape: 33% off with code IMPACT33 at https://cape.co/impact Surfshark: Go to https://surfshark.com/bilyeu or use code BILYEU to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! AirDoctor: Up to $300 off with code IMPACT at https://airdoctorpro.com Raycon: Go to https://buyraycon.com/impactto get up to 30% off sitewide. Found Banking: Try Found for FREE at https://found.com/impact What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Welcome back to part two of my conversation with Rudyard Lynch, AKA What If Alt Hisst. Without further ado, here we go. Out of curiosity, so I like this idea of biological urges. I think that one of the things, as somebody who came to politics very, very late, I felt like I was the kid saying the emperor had no clothes. Seeing people say that men and women are the same, I was like, you guys haven't been married. Like, there's no way you've been married and think men and women are the same. So on this, I take a very nonchalant approach of...

• 2:16Tom Bilyeu?

  That like if you're building a worldview in a way that's detached from things that are self-evident, you've got a problem. So are the urges that you're referring to largely sexual in nature? Are they about aggression? Like, what are the, what would be the clear distinctions that a sane, grounded person would make that the left is failing at?

• 2:39Speaker 02

  In the pre-modern world, you had a concept called natural law, and America was built off the concept of natural law, where it was sort of lost in the American and the French Revolution. The idea behind natural law, and it stems back originally to the Greeks, but it was codified in Christianity, is the structure of society and the legal code should be a representation of real, the real world. And so when they were doing various things, like setting up the American Constitution, they were saying, we're going to build this system working with human nature. And their idea was, we're going to work with God's reality, because if you lie against it, you're going to get punished. And so

• 3:21Speaker 02

  when they set up this, the checks and balances, their idea was that humans are naturally greedy and selfish. So let's make a system where if humans are greedy and selfish, it works for the society in general. And that's same with capitalism, with science. You're working with an accurate understanding of human nature. And the reason that basically every, every other society besides us had had sexual norms is because of natural law. But it's not just that. That would be a simplification where social class is to agree natural law, same thing as a legal structure, same thing as how a society wages war, where

• 4:04Speaker 02

  St. Augustine had the principle of just war, which was, there are certain conditions under which war is okay and others where it isn't. Because they had a sense that there's human nature, and it's best to work inside the, sort of like the range of human nature, because you'll actually get the result. And so what the left does is they just shot natural law and then laughed at its corpse, where they just have no concept that there is human nature to work with, where...

• 4:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Do they really believe that? Or is that one of the bullshit ones that they throw in to confuse people?

• 4:39Speaker 02

  So I think they actually believe it because... They would make so many better decisions if they did believe it. I'm reading a really brilliant book now called Modern Times by Paul Johnson. And it's a history of the 20th century. And it's talking about the Soviet Union where they kept on making all of these staggeringly terrible decisions. And partly Stalin was literally a criminal before he got power. So he has sort of that backdrop. But at the same time, Stalin shot all of his officers right before the war with Hitler, or 80% of his officer corps before the war with Hitler. Because the Soviets thought hierarchy doesn't matter.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  You can replace the officers with sort of like privates. But in reality, the most important variable for a successful military is a strong officer corps. And so he shot all the people with experience and they didn't think about how are we going to pass on the human knowledge between these two?

• 5:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And he shot them because he thought they weren't loyal?

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Yes, because Stalin went through phases of paranoia where he'd just kill people. He killed off like a dozen different groups in Russia. And each time, he thought they were going to be his rivals. But in the process, he killed Russian society because he killed off everyone who could have been productive or helped Russia. Where they went through a phase, they killed off the rich first, then they killed off the kulaks or the independent farmers. And keep in mind, this is just a generation after the end of serfdom. So all of these people were new money. They would have like a few more cows or a tiled roof. Stalin killed all of them.

• 6:20Tom Bilyeu?

  It's one of the most horrifying stories in all of history.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because you're just imagining like, I'm from rural Pennsylvania. It's like, imagine going into a town and just killing off all of the most respected members of that town. And most of the time, the other people in the town don't dislike them. And you're just destroying the society. And it speaks to your mental illness point, that if you were in the Middle Ages and you had an understanding of human nature and you wanted to wield power that brutally, you'd be like Machiavelli. Where Machiavelli has this highly structured and logical sense of when he's going to be brutal. And Stalin is just like, kill them all. And that betrays they actually believe it.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Or same thing as importing immigrants, if you know enough anthropology and even left-wing anthropologists agree with that.

• 7:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on, let's go back to that because that's a really interesting point and it's hitting me weird. Okay, so what I just heard you say was, "Hey, Tom, as proof that these guys really do believe that it's all blank slates, generals, the same as a private, doesn't matter, kill them if they're not going to be loyal, just promote the next guy." Do you think that the first order of what drove him to do that is paranoia or a belief that everybody's the same?

• 7:37Speaker 02

  What anthropology has found is that culture varies a lot and it's very deep. And it's sort of lots of implicit stuff, where there's still a significant amount of cultural differences between different ethnic, different subregions of British Americans from hundreds of years ago, as well as different groups of white American. So generations later, you can still see if someone's culturally Italian or Irish-American from a variety of things. And so, culture is very deep and the vast majority of it's unconscious. And so, when the left does a lot of things, they're acting out sort of very complex subconscious

• 8:20Speaker 02

  beliefs, which have sort of been transmitted to people unconsciously, where children pick up all the elements of their society's worldview without being taught it sort of directly. Where a child will know, for example, that their society values equality a lot, because people in that society just won't brag, or they'll be uncomfortable with stating one group is more successful than another group. So people act out very complex psychological principles that they don't understand the full implications of. And so Stalin's first motive was paranoia, but then inside his sort of deck of logic was, "Everyone's interchangeable."

• 9:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, uh, yeah, it feels like mental illness is a key ingredient, but that is very fascinating. I never saw Stalin through that lens. Stalin being one of the most terrifying figures of the 20th century. Okay, so we've got the left, they believe that everybody is an interchangeable cog. This is one of the things that they actually believe. Uh, and that is certainly creating the problems. Why do you think that this is gaining so much steam right now?

• 9:36Speaker 02

  Uh, it's gaining steam for the economic issues you describe.

• 9:40Tom Bilyeu?

  But why does that push people to the left?

• 9:42Speaker 02

  So, bad times bring radicalization. That's just a consistent principle. And that could be religious fundamentalism. It could be radical nationalism, leftism.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  I read this really fascinating book called The Psychology of Socialism by Gustave LeBeau. And it was written in the 1880s and, uh, it's absolutely insane. He totally nailed the left psychology back in the 19th century. And it's one of the most prophetic books I've read in my life, where I wrote all of the predictions he got right and it filled two pages. And he said that the core demographic of the left is sort of mal-educated people. Where our education system overproduces midwits, where we teach people non-useful skills. And then the economy doesn't have jobs to pick up for that. So there's this huge lag in sort of overeducated people who are taught to believe they're more important in the world than their services are.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  And they are the people who drive the left. What happened in the last 40 years, and Turchin talks very cogently about this, is we had a huge cadre of both over and undereducated people. And due to the economic issues, they could not, um, sort of integrate into society. So they became radicalized and they used the radical left virtue signaling game as a way to short circuit not having to deal with merit. Because they resent merit, so they use ideological purity spirals for status selecting. Um, and so among young people, there's lots of sort of dissatisfied elite aspirants. And the college educated ones tend to go left.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  And like I spent a semester in college, uh, the non-college educated ones tend to go right.

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• 13:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. Okay, so we've got this spiraling up of what's happening on the left, overvaluing what they've achieved and what they're going to offer to society at a time where we're having economic woes. How is that manifesting politically? Like, when I look at the left, what I see are people that are using, I'll say, is empathy the right word? Compassion maybe closer? That's not what they would call it. So they, I don't think, maybe you see something I don't, but I see them as fighting for the oppressed all the time. Like, these people are legitimately

• 14:42Tom Bilyeu?

  having a bad time. Somebody's got to stand up for them. We've got so much, you know, to whom so much has been given, so much is expected, and they're going in, they're trying to help people.

• 14:53Tom Bilyeu?

  But it does not appear to be birthing a better world. It seems to be creating this, what Gad Saad calls suicidal empathy. And for me, zooming in on the things that worry me about the left are authoritarianism and unchecked immigration. What do you see manifesting in your understanding of the left and all of these predictions about the left? What does it have to say about those two things specifically?

• 15:21Speaker 02

  So, the West was built off Christianity, and the core sort of emotion of Christianity is love. Envy is the shadow of love. So, they think they're doing Christian love, but they're actually doing its opposite. Because when you love someone, you accept their issues for what they are as a person. And when you envy someone, you look for issues to tear them down. So, they've created a mask of Christian love to show its opposite. And the thing we're seeing is just...

• 15:52Speaker 02

  So you watch the woke commercials, like the Jaguar one, or whatever one they're doing now. And you think, a group of people greenlit this, you could put 10 people in a single room, who did not think there was a problem here, and that speaks to a real disconnect between them and the rest of the world, that they have these highly enclosed places, where they constantly ratchet up ideological extremism, and they don't, one of the core issues the left has, is they don't have self-regulation mechanisms. Christianity, as an example, has a series of rules, and if you break the rules, you'll get kicked out. That's even, even like fascism

• 16:37Speaker 02

  has a better rule structure than the left does. If you follow the rules, you're fine. If you don't, the left hates rules, so they just have vague vibes, but then they have no mechanism to turn off the bloodlust. So that's what happened in the French Revolution, which was five years of just mobs in France eating each other, and it was the snake eating its own tail. So the left is stuck in these, where if you don't show your purity, you're kicked out, and-

• 17:05Tom Bilyeu?

  But purity to vague rules? Because you're saying they don't have like the specific-

• 17:09Speaker 02

  It is purity to vague rules. Like, none of it makes sense. It's all contradictory, and they're using the contradictory to prove their loyalty, where every single thing the left says, they also believe the opposite. And that, it's, George Orwell articulates it very well. And, so, they don't really have rules, and their standards get more and more extreme, but in the process, they purge anyone who had realigned them. So they're just getting crazier and crazier, and anyone who would have told them no, was kicked out five to 10 years ago.

• 17:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, one thing I've heard you talk about with the left, and my earliest, like, step into what's going on politically, what's going on in culture war, was I was interviewing Heather Heing, this was like, five years ago, and I said, "This sounds like..."

• 18:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Basically, a female mode of living pathologizing.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:10Tom Bilyeu?

  And I've heard you say similar things about there's a feminization of culture. Is that being driven by the left? And if so, what's the mechanism?

• 18:23Speaker 02

  One of the things I like to do to figure out how the world works is I look at what predictions that the future work, because you can see what's retroactively making a predictive model is important because it means you're understanding the world's accurate.

• 18:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  That's what the scientific method is. So when I look at old predictions and they did something right, I try to figure out what they did right. And there was this-

• 18:43Tom Bilyeu?

  What was the core logic? What cause and effect were they trying?

• 18:46Speaker 02

  So, um, there was an ancient Greek play, I believe, written in the 4th century B.C. by Aristophanes, and it's a society where only women could vote. And it's a society where they get rid of capitalism and institute communism. They destroy the family. Senators sit in the central, um, sort of senate. And then they'll complain about how the room's too cold. And they use sex to control the men. They constantly, they can't form a coherent plan of argument. And they just stay stuck arguing over the details. And so you have this author in the ancient world who said that feminization of society

• 19:28Speaker 02

  will produce communism in the breakdown of the family and culture because there's an innate biological self-interest.

• 19:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Say more, because I think a lot of people would look at women and say, that's who wants to have children.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Life's complicated, man. So, um, women want to have children under certain contexts and they don't under other contexts. And there are different biological switches for both that societies compress. This is really a sign of archetypes being real, because the easiest way to explain this is the Jungian division between Mother Earth and the devouring feminine, where, um, women tend to not like social barriers, uh, clear principles or rules. And you can either say that's out of some like evolutionary self-interest, or you could say it's just sort of, there's the whole argument of like the yin and the yang and like each sex has their own sort of innate character that propels them.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  But the core logic is that because women are so biologically secure, they don't-

• 20:33Speaker 02

  Get any benefit from taking risks. So it's all risk mitigation. And so when you're removing all of these social structures, you're removing potential sources of risk and you try to make a society where to differentiate yourself is a risk, where everything is as sort of undifferentiated as possible. So that's how you end up with communism from it. Did I explain that well?

• 21:02Tom Bilyeu?

  You've got the first brick laid down, but I think there's more bricks to lay. So things that I've heard you talk about, which are very much along these lines are when women say all women are a 10, that there's a thing that they are actively trying to pull off, that female hairdressers will cut the hair of women that they believe are more attractive than them by a couple of inches more than you would to maximize their attractiveness. So they're actively trying to hurt their chances on the sexual market. So it gets to this idea that women are playing a very different game. From a masculine perspective, I recognize that. I see what you're talking about. I see that in women.

• 21:47Tom Bilyeu?

  But I don't, even now, talking with you, I don't know that I fully understand the end game that they're playing for.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  There's a great book on the topic called Warriors and Worriers by Joyce Benison.

• 21:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Warriors and Worriers?

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Yes, it's on Audible. It's very good. And it talks about the negatives of female psychology. And it's funny seeing this middle aged, I would guess leftist woman, write such like a cutting and good critique of toxic femininity. And it goes through a lot of evolutionary psychology, where as an example, unhappy women attack their family the most and then are polite to the outside society. Look at the modern West, attacking our family polite to the outside society. Or there's, in female friend groups, and this is all backed by statistical evidence, you can look it up. Most women are scared to, are scared to succeed lest their friends like them less, where that's a very toxic dynamic.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Or intersexual competition, which we spoke about, of hairdressers will cut the hair of women that are more attractive than them a few inches shorter than women who are beneath them in attractiveness. Or it's the, there's an, in female social settings,

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Not having the implication of equality is considered socially very dangerous. And you look at modern society, what's happening is that the bureaucratic machine of industrial civilization likes this feminine equality mechanism because it stops anyone from rising up and challenging it. It's a highly useful mechanism to keep the public in conformity. So that's why they're pushing men bad, because only men could rise out of this. And there's toxic femininity and there's positive femininity. And I want to state that because for every, like, for example, if we said, like, you look

• 23:45Speaker 02

  at the murders of various dictators and genocides, you say that's men, that's true, but it's also a specific subtype of men who are doing a specifically male pathology. And it's comparable with pathological femininity. And the core issue of that is the abdication of responsibility. Where because the cost of child rearing is so hard, that you have an incentive to abdicate responsibility, to let go of costs associated with basically having this little person attached to you for 20 years, where you're physically incapacitated for months.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  And so if you look at the left, it's all the abdication of responsibility. If you want a single place where the left, single place where the left does something that doesn't make sense, it's because of the abdication of responsibility.

• 24:43Tom Bilyeu?

  And you're saying, just to make sure I understood that, that because women have so much responsibility with child rearing, they need to get it off of them in other ways?

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. I've also heard you say that, you know, women just need to be honest, they're not going to be attracted to a man that can't dominate them.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:02Tom Bilyeu?

  So how do I reconcile that women both want to be dominated by a man in controlled circumstances, all of that's got to be somebody that they want, blah, blah, blah, but that with, and I want no rules?

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Man, I know the answer to that, but this has been such a complex journey of learning all these things, as I stare at it in retrospect and like, man, that's complicated. So, um, it's, it's two different biological switches based off context, where are there rules being enforced on me, or are there not being rules enforced on me? And until there are rules enforced on me, I can all sort of do, um, all sort of, I'll, I'll push these low trust strategies until there is a social structure. Because men have always been the people that have built social structures.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  That's true for, um, that's true for governments, religious institutions, corporations, militaries. And so, women have been dependent on the patriarchy or the structures men build. So, in the absence of a patriarchy, you'll do these low trust strategies until the context switches, and then you switch behaviors. Where it's one of those things where it's, it's, it's Schrodinger's feminist. A feminist is either empowered, or she's a, a victim. And it's depends on context, whichever one you choose.

• 26:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Whichever one they choose for themselves.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  Yes, by context.

• 26:34Tom Bilyeu?

  And would that context be whatever, whichever one of these gets me more, gets me more control, gets me more?

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Whichever one I can avoid conflict with. Where if there's a conflict, because the incentive structure is that women cannot win fights against men, so a lot of female behavior is offsetting their physical weakness against men. Because if you're not gonna win, go with the flow. So, if I'm in a context where I can get away with, I'm gonna get away with it. If I can't get away with it, I won't get away with it.

• 27:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  It doesn't make sense to, it doesn't make sense to people like us, where you and I are both very sort of entrepreneurial, and we wanna enter in a situation and figure it out. It makes significantly more sense if you're like a Russian peasant, or a Chinese peasant, where you have these huge governments that are utterly exploitive. And so, when you can hide a little bit of grain from the tax collector, you do so.

• 27:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so you're saying that is one of the strategies that women employ?

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so as we feminize the societal structures that have traditionally been created by men, and at least in this moment are being co-opted by women, what are the consequences for men?

• 27:58Speaker 02

  A lot. I mean, there's no birth rate. That's a pretty big consequence where...

• 28:04Tom Bilyeu?

  What's the actual mechanism that's driving that down?

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Yes. So, it's a holistic system. So, one of the core issues with modernity in the left hemisphere is you can't see the entire equation, which all fits together. So if you have a sexual breakdown, that's gonna have consequences in your society's political structure, on its religious structure. If the birth rate decreases, that's gonna affect your society's economy. Everything's connected. And so, as an example, the Industrial Revolution was a huge causal variable here. Because you removed women's reliance on men's physical labor. And you also removed the threat of starvation. But, so the consequences for men are

• 28:51Speaker 02

  most men get hypergamied out of the pool. And hypergamy is the principle that women will naturally be attracted to the most powerful man. And, again, that makes sense if you use the analogy of if I am a peasant in a war zone, I will pick the most powerful warlord to protect me. Because he is the one who is most likely to stop wandering vagrants, wandering mercenary bands from stealing my grain. Keep in mind, this is operating out of an idea of fundamental weakness in a very brutal Darwinistic evolutionary world. So it makes total sense from the sort of logic they're coming from.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  And, when you hypergamy most men out of the pool, you end up with these sort of, a huge amount of dissatisfied men. And then no one has children, because there's, of course, the mismatch between... A few men who get a lot of, a lot of sort of selection and then most men who don't. And then these men don't have an incentive to get married and have kids because their life is pretty, it's fairly satisfying. And so you don't start families in this and it also breeds mass social distrust. And for every loss in sort of like, if you raise taxes, you'll have exponential economic decreases.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Same thing as social life. If you make social interactions 20% more difficult, you're going to see an exponential decrease in social interactions and that's why I think politeness is important to societies.

• 30:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Because you're trying to alleviate some of that friction.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so that feels like an example of wealth inequality. Wealth in this example being not, the hypergamy becomes possible because of literal wealth inequality. But then in terms of sexual mate selection opportunities, there is also a sort of wealth inequality of that as well. Okay, so that came from, I'm trying to figure out what happens when you feminize a culture. How, what's the pathology that we're going to start to see in men? If I just started rattling off things that I can already see right now, obviously making men and their natural proclivities problematic. So telling men not to be aggressive, telling men not to be dominant, telling men that

• 31:14Tom Bilyeu?

  they need to step back and let others speak, specifically women, telling men that their ambition is in and of itself problematic. And one stat that I've come across recently is since, I think, the mid 90s, the number of patents that China has filed compared to America, China went from like less than 1% globally now to like 43% globally. I mean, it's insane. And America has gone from like 18% to 16% or 25 to 20, whatever it was a drop. And that's where I'm like, these things matter. China believes in itself. China is encouraging its people to be aggressive, to be dominant, to...

• 31:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Be as ambitious as humanly possible to grind, to train. And it really manifests. It manifests in GDP. It manifests in innovation. It manifests in progress. Uh, and so when I start looking at the problems in the US, like just looking at US versus China. When I look at that and I say, whoa, some percentage of this is due to the feminization of society. Uh, that's where I've started beating the drum recently where I'm like, no, I, men should not make space for anybody. Men should compete as hard as they can. Uh, you should always want an equal playing field. You should never sabotage somebody or try to hold them back. But if somebody can't outcompete you, tough shit. So it's like you should be going all in.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  I agree. I very much agree. Um, yeah, it's funny to talk about China because, uh, first of all, you're assuming they're telling the truth and they normally lie about 20% statistically. They amassed the Communist Party lying by each province and it's about 20% of stats. Or it's about 20% of total GDP. Um, the, um, I, I think China in some ways is a more feminized society than America. Because they've just totally let themselves get walked over by the government in the school system. And like the factory system where I, I follow a lot of Chinese news. And it's crazy. They have like 50% youth unemployment now.

• 33:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. They have a litany of issues. They've had lots of, uh, failures of major corporations. There have been protests across the country. Xi Jinping has said a lot of just like, you should literally prepare for war and they like having really sort of like exploitive, well, explosive, explosive rhetoric. And people like to say that, but at the same time, the book I'm reading about the 20th century. People said that about Hitler and Stalin and it's totally insane to speak back to your earlier point. That people tried to appease Hitler. The British gave back a quarter of their fleet to Hitler to appease him. And you don't get Hitler to compromise by giving him stuff.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  These people have no comprehension of how predatory actors operate. Or the Western media was just writing glowing reviews of Stalin and Mao. Who are the even worse than Hitler. They killed like twice as many people at least. Um, and so we just are so naive and the only way to fight players like that is to sort of.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Bring out our own masculinity, because appeasing monsters is not going to work. And that's just, it's just a dangerous worldview. And I think it's, there's an element of just, there's just, there's lots of very insidious, dark, I think, instincts in there.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  And, yeah, I think it's more dangerous than people think.

• 34:51Tom Bilyeu?

  It's more dangerous from a Thucydides trap perspective. It's more dangerous from a look at even China can collapse if you allow that kind of thing. What do you mean by that?

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Uh, it's dangerous on a lot of levels. I think because we're developing a lot of godlike technology now between AI, genetic engineering,

• 35:12Speaker 02

  the space technology,

• 35:16Speaker 02

  new forms of weaponry, sort of like predator drones, I'm probably forgetting a bunch. And this technology would require a lot of masculinity to master, because we've let the genie out of the bottle. We can't go back. And so we have to sort of

• 35:32Speaker 02

  grab, we have to sort of grab Jormungandr by its tongue. But, uh, we don't have the will or the energy for it, because we've destroyed the same masculine impulses that would allow that to happen. Where there's all of these external threats. So when you destroy masculinity, you're destroying the very thing that would allow your society to reset. I just also think China is very dangerous, because I think they are significantly worse than we believe. I think we're going to look back on the things going on in China now and realize that it was like, it was like the other totalitarian regimes we slept on. I think they're probably doing very dark things that we don't know about.

• 36:15Tom Bilyeu?

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• 37:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it. That would not surprise me at all. I think the big thing that's going to come out about China is that we don't understand there's a very big difference between Deng Xiaoping and Xi Jinping. And when Mao finally died, and I don't think people realize, you know, you've talked a lot about only having lived in the 21st century. I was alive when Mao was alive. So I'm like, yo, this was recent. And he was killing people by the tens of millions. And when he died, finally, the CCP woke up and was like, okay, hold on, this is horrific. We don't want to keep going through this. And so Deng Xiaoping makes his famous quote, "It doesn't matter if the cat's black or white, as long as it catches mice, and being rich is glorious or wonderful," whatever he said.

• 38:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And so the thing I try to always remind people is, hey, capitalism is so dope that the, when the communists decided that they wanted to lift, you know, hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, they turned to capitalism, literally brought over Americans to teach them how to capital. And that was what brought them out. But then when Xi Jinping came into power, they didn't realize he ended their, they had term limits, like, because they didn't want to have happen what happened with Mao to happen again. And yet Xi Jinping was able to reclaim the Communist Party, make himself supreme leader. But I am hearing, and I can't validate this yet, but I am hearing rumblings coming out of China that Xi Jinping may be losing his grip on power,

• 39:19Tom Bilyeu?

  that he may not be meeting with Trump, partly because he's afraid he can't leave China, because that they wouldn't let him back in. Now, that is wild. Now, you normally hear stuff like that and ends up being whatever. People said all kinds of crazy shit about Putin five years ago, and none of it has come to pass. So take it with a huge grain of salt. But the part that I do think we're missing is so many of us are clocking what was going on in China in the early, the late 90s and early 2000s as what's happening now. And it's been a very different picture since Xi Jinping took over.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  I've gone through sort of multiple phases of obsessive study on China. I've done it several times or for a few months. So like, just look at everything coming out of China. And it's weird to look at the trajectory they've been on where, back in, again, in the 70s, they were hardcore Maoist. Like, it was like the Taliban today. We would perceive them the way that we perceive the Taliban now. Then they went through this liberal phase where they're like, we're going to bring in Western companies. Our major cities can be places that Western expats can comfortably live in. We'll like pretend to care about stuff like the UN or free rights. Then they went through this phase in the 2010s where like I remember Fareed Zakaria made

• 40:39Speaker 02

  this, he made this whole thing like the rise of the West, the rest, and he was championing the decline of America against the rest of the world. And there was this whole cultural moment of China's going to surpass the West and China's doing this empire building with the Belt and Road Initiative. And I was kind of horrified at how complacent the American elite were, that so many of the American elite were totally happy with letting a Marxist state that hates us sort of rise to global predominance. Then after 2020, we saw a totally different phase of China. And I believe Peter Zeihan is fundamentally correct, although

• 41:17Speaker 02

  it's going to take longer, where they have really high youth unemployment, they're, the cities are getting empty, at least from the several different sources I'm looking at, because they have such high unemployment, people are moving back to their hometowns. Because in China, there was this huge migration from the countryside to the cities. And the Communist Party is killing a lot of people. There were 2 million unaccounted for deaths for COVID.

• 41:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Where there were 2 million deaths for like unstated reasons with coffins. And

• 41:54Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a lot.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  They're teaching children how to do military, military sort of training. They openly say that America is the enemy in their propaganda. They've closed their borders for years. So China is in a very totalitarian place, and they're cracking down on their own population. And it's just, it's scary because I see the potential in China for what America could be. And

• 42:20Tom Bilyeu?

  If we keep going in a totalitarian direction.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Because keep in mind, we didn't know it the Holocaust at the time. We didn't know it Stalin or Mao at the time. These totalitarian governments have been very good at insulating the world from what's going on. The Uighurs too, I mean, they've experienced horrible things.

• 42:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, there's, uh, there's plenty of malice in the world. There's no doubt about that. This is why I bang on about free speech. If you're not willing to let people say what they say, if you're not willing to be voted out of office, then the guns come out. And there is no other way. And I don't know why people can't see that, but they really can't. All right. I want to ask you about, uh, Gen Z. You're a Gen Z-er. I want to know about what is, uh, sex like for Gen Z-ers? What does that tell us about either the feminization of culture, uh, where we're headed as a society? I know you're close with the guy behind homeath.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so what are some of the most important homeath equations?

• 43:26Speaker 02

  The core variable I'd say is just lack of social trust. And that operates across the entire pyramid.

• 43:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Between men and women?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Yes. Um, but just in the entire equation. Um, and so you have the, you have the, the hypergamy system where I always forget your audience is probably a different demographic than, because for, for the spaces I'm in, we've had this discourse for a while and everyone's seen the homeath chart. And I, I realize a lot of your audience might not have seen the homeath chart.

• 43:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, my audience is older than yours.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  So, uh, 80% of men, uh, 80% of women go to 20% of men. And that's due to the structure of the dating apps where a majority of, uh, sort of, um, relationships among Gen Z are formed online. And it's an important thing to realize Gen Z doesn't really leave the house. Um, partly because they're not wealthy enough and partly because they have social anxiety or everyone's on their phone. So most relationships are formed online. And, uh, that's a fairly, how do I explain this?

• 44:32Speaker 02

  That's very shallow and dehumanizing. And with the way it works as well, with the inequality, is you have a lot of incentives for low social trust, even either between sort of the Chad guys who have lots of options. And then that brings down the value of the individual women who they're cycling through. So you have a large disenfranchised population. You have a loss of social trust due to sort of the incentive structure. And because there's no community with the way social media works and dating apps work. And then you just have Mouse Utopia eating at the equation, where you have a significant portion of Gen Z women,

• 45:17Speaker 02

  I think some men too, who have basically just checked out, who are radical left or lesbian or something like that. And no, I'm not making this up. So that's why young people don't have children.

• 45:36Tom Bilyeu?

  That is, that's wild. Okay, so if you were gonna try to unwind some of this, like if, I don't know if you just are blackpilled and it's like, there's nowhere we can go? Or if you feel like, like is this a, we gotta re-champion religion? Is this, obviously, we've already talked about economics, so I'll assume you'll say, we gotta resolve some of those issues. But other than the economics, like, how would we unwind this if you gave us a generation or two generations? What are the things that would need to be true for us to renormalize?

• 46:08Speaker 02

  I agree in the economic. After that, I'd say, just a return of masculinity. Because the issue with a lot of sort of religious conservatives is they wanna bring back a rule structure for religion without really reference to God or sort of the masculine enforcement. Because the way...

• 46:28Speaker 02

  If you study sort of like, I have multiple sources of information, but like if conservative authors of a century ago, or ancient wisdom, would say that the first step in this is to increase masculinity, and then that has a frame for femininity. Because masculinity is based off respect.

• 46:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Masculinity will create a frame for the feminine to basically live inside of?

• 46:53Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly.

• 46:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, sorry, you were about to think, I think you were about to go into more detail on that, please explain.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  So, the masculine sets the frame, it's like iron and the feminine's like water. It flows through the frame the masculine sets. And so this is why women don't build social institutions, or why they don't sort of drive the course of human history directly in the way men do, but they do drive it indirectly. And there are exceptions, like Joan of Arc, or Catherine of Russia. And, so just trying to enforce religious rules without masculinity means no one will respect them, but I'd say two things. First, increase masculinity, because...

• 47:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, how do we do that? Like, eat more fucking Brazil nuts? Like, what are we doing here?

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a difficult question, because industrial civilization solves so many of our problems, but we're gonna have a lot of problems very soon. And the masculine is doing and the feminine is being. And, so, when men do things that garner respect, because the masculine is formed by respect, and the feminine is garnered by love, so women will love men they respect. But the issue is that in our current society, we make it nigh impossible to produce men that women respect, because the feminine group sort of herd mentality is envious that other women may get men they respect, and this is my mate suppression video, so they

• 48:23Speaker 02

  stop men from rising to positions of respect.

• 48:28Tom Bilyeu?

  That's wild. Give people a quick primer on mate suppression, it's a great video.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Thank you. Uh, so, this is one of the very twisted parts of human nature, and one of the things I've learned in the last few years is that we think evolution's simple, and we think that life is sort of, every, it's rational, it fits in a spreadsheet, but life can periodically be very twisted, where you've got the fungi that go into an ant's brain and eat it and take control of the ant. You have horrible diseases that spread through like, like syphilis is pretty twisted, um, and mate suppression's one of the most twisted biological impulses, where it's, and it's, um, it exists across sex, both sexes, but it's have, more heavily a part of toxic femininity,

• 49:12Speaker 02

  and it's the impulse to hurt other people who are potentially doing better than me by lessening their fertility.

• 49:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Jesus.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  And examples of it include, I mean, the easy, this, there was so much of this stuff when I was growing up, I mean, uh, the, the second point I'd say for fixing the sexual duality is you have to stop dehumanizing men, and you have to stop dehumanizing children as well, um, because when I was growing up, like, you, there were, people had pressure to put their kids in after-school programs, and if you didn't watch your kids play all the time, you could have the police called on you, or, uh, there was the whole thing, like, there is, um, the government passed a bill, you had to put in a certain type of car seat to have children, and it saved an amount of lives I could count on one hand,

• 50:02Speaker 02

  and it stopped like 200,000 births, because the cost of having the car or the seat for that, um, it, people couldn't afford it, and if you want other examples, socialism is taking from others, bring, putting it in the central pot, it's just, or trying to make silly rules about like, silly dating rules, or like, when people make silly rules, they're normally for mate suppression, because if, if the rule doesn't serve an actual purpose, the purpose is to hurt you.

• 50:36Tom Bilyeu?

  That is a very dark place to end this interview.

• 50:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Rudyard, where can people follow along with you?

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Check out my two channels, What a Faultist and History 102. And thank you. This was a wonderful episode.

• 50:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, you are a fascinating mind. Every time I have to recheck your age because I am aghast each and every time. I was like, yeah, he really has only lived in the 21st century. It is wild. I cannot wait to see where you're at in 10 years, 15 years. Your ability to sponge up knowledge, historical context, frameworks is really incredible, man. So I love being on the timeline with you.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Thank you. I'm honored.

• 51:15Tom Bilyeu?

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