KHC 101 - Return of the Mack (Gideon)

Join us for a discussion with Cam and James G. Williams as they discuss James new bench press PR, Jake and Tyson’s fight, upcoming events and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James: https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams/ Thank you to our sponsors: MUD\WTR: https://mudwtr.com/cam use code CAM for 15% off Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off GoHunt: https://gohunt.com/ use code CAM when you sign up for $50 towards the gear shop + 10% off the GoHunt store Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro 0:03:30 New Apparel & James 225 Bench PR 0:05:55 Comedy Story 0:08:49 Return of the Mac 0:09:47 Redemption & Upcoming Hunt Films 0:12:41 Jake Paul VS Mike Tyson Fight 0:18:58 Loredo - Cactus Jack 0:30:28 Ad Break 0:31:57 Jelly Roll & Austin, TX 0:36:25 Ways2Well 0:38:13 Archery Country 0:42:24 50K Race - Frozen Trail Ultra 0:47:53 Upcoming Guests, Truett & Cam’s Broken Foot 0:54:45 Outro

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  Welcome to Keep Hammer Collective. This is the Keep Hammer Collective with the one and only Gideon.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Gideon. That's me.

• 0:26Cameron Hanes?

  Welcome. Welcome to the show.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for having me.

• 0:29Cameron Hanes?

  The long awaited return. The return of the Mac. Do you know what that is? Return of the Mac? Have you ever heard that?

• 0:35Speaker 01

  The song?

• 0:37Cameron Hanes?

  I think it's a song, right? Yeah. But isn't it old?

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gotta be from something else. What is that song? Return of the Mac? Oh, that's Macklemore, I think.

• 0:47Cameron Hanes?

  No. Macklemore?

• 0:50Speaker 01

  Turn of the Mac. Tell me what it is, what it is. No, no, no, no, no.

• 0:53Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I don't know. But that makes sense that you would know him.

• 0:59Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  He's my favorite.

• 1:02Cameron Hanes?

  Your favorite hardcore rapper?

• 1:05Speaker 01

  I really like that, uh, the hood rap.

• 1:10Cameron Hanes?

  The suburban rap? Mm-hmm.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Were you gonna say something or should we just jump in?

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Said, you know what I haven't done?

• 1:19Cameron Hanes?

  What haven't I done? I don't know. Shit. Freaking tired, dude. Been in a tree stand all day.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. How's that?

• 1:31Cameron Hanes?

  This morning was good. This evening was not good. But I've been fucking toasty warm. I know that. That sick as shit is pretty nice.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I noticed you were fully kitted out when you walked in the door.

• 1:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's... I've never... Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Cut this dude.

• 1:54Cameron Hanes?

  No, we can leave this. I don't care. I haven't decided on what I'm gonna do, but uh, um, just trying out some camo and they got good stuff.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I don't know. It's hard to, hard to argue with. It was, I mean, I froze my balls off a lot in the tree stand and I, and I haven't been the last couple of days and so whatever. I mean, it's good, but there's a lot of good stuff out there.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the only thing I've worn is Sidka for whatever reason. It's the, I mean, besides when I was really young, the classic Kmart.

• 2:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Camo bibs that were too short.

• 2:31Cameron Hanes?

  I think we've all been there.

• 2:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Your dad or stepdad or whoever, shut the fuck up. Put this on, you little piece of shit.

• 2:43Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, maybe that was just me.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've all been there.

• 2:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I mean, there is some good stuff out there. Holy cow. I mean, so I'm trying, you know, Origin has good stuff too. Obviously no, no shade there, but Sidka, trying them out. Never really tried out their stuff. They sent me a bunch. Really nice. Um, trying to make a decision on what I'm gonna do. Talk to Kuyu, talking to Born Primitive Tomorrow, so.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Lots of options.

• 3:21Cameron Hanes?

  Talked to First Light. So good.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Speaking of apparel, I noticed you're wearing.

• 3:26Cameron Hanes?

  God. This thing was locked.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  You need to open that for, oh, that's some big news.

• 3:32Cameron Hanes?

  What?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Two twenty-five on the bench.

• 3:34Cameron Hanes?

  You did it?

• 3:35Speaker 01

  I got video proof too.

• 3:37Cameron Hanes?

  Did your ass come up like true it?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  A little bit.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  But that means I should be good by the time the family bench competition rolls around.

• 3:46Cameron Hanes?

  But Truth's ass does come up, except he does eighteen.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, mine comes up and I'll do one. I'll do half of one.

• 3:52Cameron Hanes?

  That's all right. I guess that fucking testosterone's paying off.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  My hormone replacement.

• 4:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. That's good. So that's a PR, isn't it?

• 4:04Speaker 01

  I've never done 225. Yeah.

• 4:07Cameron Hanes?

  You can, God.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  So now I can walk around and ask people if they're talking to me. You talking to me?

• 4:13Cameron Hanes?

  Have you seen that guy on Instagram? He's got 225 tattooed on his arm, I think. He walks around with no shirt on and he's talking about he can bench 225.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Does benching 225 actually get you girls? Uh, yeah, it does. Any chick I want, bro.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  That's gonna be me.

• 4:33Cameron Hanes?

  Well, we gotta put, Macy, you gotta look that up. I don't know. We need, we need that. We need a reel of James. So, hey, send her that footage of you doing 220.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  I will get ripped. No.

• 4:45Cameron Hanes?

  That's a reel, dude.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  I'll do it.

• 4:47Cameron Hanes?

  That's gonna go viral.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  And I need to get, I'm getting a 225 tattooed on my arm for the bench.

• 4:53Cameron Hanes?

  On your neck.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  I'm gonna get it above my eyebrow.

• 4:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What's that number for? Oh, funny you ask. I can just throw this shit around on the bench. I don't know if you noticed that.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Tanner did say that the gravity's a little heavier in here, so I need to be confident in my abilities.

• 5:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, God, I can barely, what did I do the other day? Three or four or something? Shit, I need to get back on the grind if I'm, Christmas is coming.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 5:22Cameron Hanes?

  So Tanner's the king. True, it's, I used to always beat them when they were like seven.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  But yeah, you're, so you're, what are you wearing? That's new, isn't it?

• 5:38Cameron Hanes?

  This shirt?

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:40Cameron Hanes?

  Is this a sales product?

• 5:43Speaker 01

  I don't wanna get fired.

• 5:44Cameron Hanes?

  Is that what we're doing? Oh, am I supposed to, oh, yeah. Actually, this is part of the new line. How is that?

• 5:54Cameron Hanes?

  God, you know, I just heard a story today. So here's the story. I don't know if I want to, can I say who said it? I don't know. But anyway, there's local comedy scene here in town. I did not know this. And the guy from Silent Bob and Jay or Silent Jay and Bob, I don't know what the fuck. Have you ever seen the movie Clerks? Like, old movie?

• 6:20Cameron Hanes?

  Anyway, this guy was in town, I think.

• 6:24Cameron Hanes?

  What was that?

• 6:30Cameron Hanes?

  No mouth noises when I'm telling the story. It's quiet in here.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Are we sitting in the blind?

• 6:37Cameron Hanes?

  They go with Jay. Anyway, he was doing a stand up here. So they had four local comedians, which I guess are pretty good. And anyway, the point to the story is, um, the person who told me the story was there and they were at this table and it was like 400 people jammed in there. Some guy who was, I don't even, I don't know who the guy was, but he started to laugh so much that somehow, I don't know, take it where it's worth, somehow he hawked a loogie while he was cracking up and it flew. Part of it, it, it came apart in space and air and part of it went in his date's mouth.

• 7:23Cameron Hanes?

  And the other part went in some other girl's mouth. The fucking loogie in their mouth. The one girl spit into her hand and went running into the bathroom. I don't know what the other girl did, but that seems like it'd be awkward.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Do you think he trained for that? It's pretty accurate.

• 7:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just like one of those that comes from, you know, like the top of your lungs, maybe it somehow breaks loose and then it's just probably slow motion, just like changing shapes a little bit.

• 7:58Cameron Hanes?

  Right into, I could hit the punchy back of the back of the throat.

• 8:04Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I don't know if it's stuck on the whatever the punch you bags called, but I don't know. Kind of a good story.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  That's brutal.

• 8:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's I don't know. I didn't know what I would do.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Well, it's bad enough. You ever like been on a date and a little bit of spit comes out or something? You're like, it's the worst thing ever.

• 8:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Launch a loogie.

• 8:24Cameron Hanes?

  Or you go in the bathroom and you look and you got like, you know, fucking snot on your nose or I don't know what. Now I'm like on my nose, like maybe I got snot on my nose right now.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Ah, I have a bad joke. I'm gonna hold it.

• 8:38Cameron Hanes?

  Just like you hold. That's a T-shirt of yours.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm a hold it.

• 8:41Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 8:45Cameron Hanes?

  That's all I had.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  It's a good story.

• 8:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  We haven't done this for a while. I think since before Katie's hunt.

• 8:54Cameron Hanes?

  It's the return of Gideon.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  It's the return of the Mac, Macklemore.

• 8:58Cameron Hanes?

  That's the, that's the title. Macy, title of this podcast is Return of the Mac and then in, what is that called?

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Parenthesis.

• 9:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, parentheses, Gideon.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  All caps.

• 9:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. No, we haven't done it, but and we haven't really done much since then.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 9:17Cameron Hanes?

  Holy shit.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  We haven't done anything.

• 9:18Cameron Hanes?

  Fucking exhausted, dude.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  We finally got some time at home.

• 9:23Cameron Hanes?

  Being retired is exhausting.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Well, I'm not retired, so.

• 9:29Cameron Hanes?

  Well, at least you're getting paid.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  For now.

• 9:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a news. I got moved up from an internship.

• 9:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What is your title?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Creative producer was on the document that I signed.

• 9:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, shit.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty big deal.

• 9:47Cameron Hanes?

  So redemption came out. That was your, is that your first like film film for me? That you were like in a hundred percent in charge of?

• 9:58Speaker 01

  I mean, Bush Dragon two came out before.

• 10:00Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. No, but both of them kick ass. What do you think?

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Surprise. I mean, I, I, I read all the comments.

• 10:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God, don't do that.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  And, you know, there's a lot of good ones. There's probably, it's probably seventy five percent positive, but the twenty five percent speak much louder.

• 10:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's okay. That's all Matt Rinoa.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  That's okay. That's just lights my fire.

• 10:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  But yeah, no, those did good. Redemption came out. I was super happy with redemption.

• 10:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think I think it turned out really good.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  And to be to be fair, Branlon helped a lot in that.

• 10:39Cameron Hanes?

  Who?

• 10:41Cameron Hanes?

  Of course, the legend Branlon Shockey. Yeah, he, I think he did have some good suggestions to like, because making a film, you can have all the best stuff, put it together good, but then there's a few little, little tweaks that just like get it like another 10%.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely.

• 11:01Cameron Hanes?

  Tiny changes, but makes a huge difference.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  For sure it does. Yeah.

• 11:05Cameron Hanes?

  He usually has pretty good ideas in that regard.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then we did Katie's Hunt. That was also, that was a blast.

• 11:14Cameron Hanes?

  How's the film?

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Done. You guys have seen it?

• 11:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's my, that's my standing joke with Jay, because he's got like 20 films that are supposed to be done. Actually, you sent me one today.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Did you watch it?

• 11:29Cameron Hanes?

  No. Fuck, when?

• 11:31Speaker 01

  I figured you watched it and just hated it.

• 11:33Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 11:35Cameron Hanes?

  All I did was, I was on the stand. So I went, it's like 15 minutes and I just kind of went with my fingers.

• 11:44Cameron Hanes?

  And all I noticed in, so that took like 30 seconds, there's a lot of me walking. So I don't know if, and it must be when I killed the bull.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:56Cameron Hanes?

  So I don't know how long that, but with my finger swipe.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  We could.

• 12:00Cameron Hanes?

  It seemed like a lot, a big part of that bar, but I have to watch it tonight.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:05Cameron Hanes?

  But overall.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  I think it's 16 minutes now, so we could take some of that out and.

• 12:10Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I don't know. But I don't know what we have in there. I saw some podcast clips that we, to tie it together and I saw, yeah, I mean, the buck did drop in his tracks. So I saw how we. Um, arrow hit and we kind of made it go to black.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, got to black.

• 12:25Cameron Hanes?

  People kind of know what, what the routine is there. It's like, you gotta get in there and just get it killed.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 12:33Cameron Hanes?

  Do whatever it takes. So got a few more arrows in it, but we don't need to look at that.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  No, no. Um, so we did go to Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson.

• 12:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. God.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Give me your thoughts on that. Get on the whole thing. Cause there were a couple of fights before that were really good. And I know you're a fan.

• 12:51Cameron Hanes?

  Katie Taylor, yeah. And Serrano was an amazing fight. Um, that one's been up for debate on the, uh, I guess the, the decision. Cause if you looked at the numbers, Serrano threw more punches, landed more punches.

• 13:10Cameron Hanes?

  But if that was how you determined a winner of a fight, then there would be no judges.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:15Cameron Hanes?

  You'd just count punches and whatever landed.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:18Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. You won because you, but that's not, that's not everything that dictates a fight. Um, so it was who under the harder shots and there was the headbutt thing that came in, but to me, part of it is Katie, that's her style and you got to adjust to it. If you know she comes in with her head down, maybe you should throw a fucking uppercut.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:37Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I don't know.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:38Cameron Hanes?

  But she, she does the same thing every time. So we're, are you just going to let her just crash her head into your head or? I don't know. I mean, it's easy for me to say, but.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. After, during the fight, I was thinking like, you know, head butting Serrano definitely won with the point. But then after I've rewatched in the highlights, the head butting wasn't that aggressive. I didn't think, it wasn't like, you know.

• 14:01Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, no.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  It was just, she was coming forward and, and they hit heads. I think the first time she split her eyebrow open, it was definitely accidental.

• 14:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  So.

• 14:08Cameron Hanes?

  I don't think she ever did it on purpose. I mean, I think they're all accidental, but it's just, that's just her style.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:15Cameron Hanes?

  And that's, that's how she's always fought. So what are you going to do?

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Throw an uppercut.

• 14:20Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, just, you can't just play the victim, you know? I mean, and I'm not saying that Serrano, she's like a, uh, she's incredible herself. So I'm not saying she's playing the victim. I'm just talking like as far as the, uh, the critiques go, you know, I'm like. Yeah, I don't know. I could see, I could see both ways.

• 14:41Cameron Hanes?

  Katie Taylor was a champion and normally you have to win decisively to take that belt away from the champion. If you're, we're talking just rule of thumb, just in general with combat sports. Has to be a decisive win to unseat whoever's holding the belt, but I don't know that, that's kind of unspoken rule too.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, my critiques, I could kick both their asses.

• 15:03Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. I mean, because of the 225 bench now, is that, if they heard that, they wouldn't even want to fight.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  I mean, you should have seen the people in the, they cleared out.

• 15:14Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I bet. I bet. Were they like circling or chanting before?

• 15:20Speaker 01

  I just had a lot of offers.

• 15:22Cameron Hanes?

  Offers?

• 15:24Speaker 01

  And I think all my sponsorships are in the mail.

• 15:26Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, that, yeah, just keep, keep checking. Yeah. That was a, it was a hell of an event, just in general. I've never, that's a, for watching boxing. That stadium was giant and tons of people and I think 60 million people watched. I think I saw Logan Paul mention on his podcast to Jake that sounds like, was it 150 million or 250, however many people watched worldwide over the time between, maybe between social and, I don't know, Netflix, but a lot of eyeballs on that.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was crazy.

• 16:08Cameron Hanes?

  And you can, you can talk all the shit you want, but those boys have, they've, I don't know. I mean, they're, they're kicking ass.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  They're winners for sure.

• 16:18Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely winners. I mean, you might not like how they carry themselves or what they do or whatever, but

• 16:25Cameron Hanes?

  they've been successful.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:27Cameron Hanes?

  And they're young.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:28Cameron Hanes?

  So props.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  And now one of them has beaten the, one of the best boxers of all time.

• 16:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, because Logan lost to Mayweather. That's crazy too.

• 16:38Cameron Hanes?

  I know. They both, both fought like to, for both brothers. If you said, oh, these, you know, little white guys are going to come up and they're going to fight the two great, probably the biggest names in boxing history in Mayweather and Tyson.

• 16:55Cameron Hanes?

  These kids from Ohio, you'd be like, no, what? Why? How? You know, I think they wrestled in, in school.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 17:02Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, just an amazing journey.

• 17:07Cameron Hanes?

  The visualization and working to make it happen for both Logan and Jake is just, I don't know. Like I said, you can, you can talk shit, but man, look at what they've done. It's hard not to be impressed.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  And I, I met my new wife there. Well, I didn't meet her. I just saw her.

• 17:28Cameron Hanes?

  Jake's girlfriend?

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  She's six foot seven.

• 17:35Cameron Hanes?

  She's taller than you. No, she's not. She's pretty tall though.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Super tall.

• 17:40Cameron Hanes?

  Man, yeah, she was super nice too.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like I said, I didn't meet her. I just stared at her awkwardly.

• 17:47Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I mean, I'm sure most, most of the people there did. She's hard to miss.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we wrapped that up.

• 17:55Cameron Hanes?

  I thought you were gonna say that blonde ring girl.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 17:58Cameron Hanes?

  Did you break up with her?

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, for Jake Paul's girlfriend. Yeah.

• 18:02Cameron Hanes?

  Man, I hope she took that all right. Does she know you're alive?

• 18:08Cameron Hanes?

  No, but I don't know. It was a beautiful thing that you guys had while it lasted.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Short, but you know, passionate.

• 18:17Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man. White hot passion. Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. So anyway, so we finished that up.

• 18:24Cameron Hanes?

  Wait, wait, wait. Shout out to Ketone for hooking us up for the fight. I mean, I was in the fourth row.

• 18:32Cameron Hanes?

  You were in, not the fourth row, but.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  I was right off the floor. Yeah.

• 18:36Cameron Hanes?

  You were there. I mean, Ketone, you know, Michael Brant, thank you, Jeffrey Wu, thank you. Those guys are badasses. Michael's gonna be on the podcast here coming up. He's a good runner. It's gonna be fun. We got a list of events planned.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, we got a couple, a couple of good days with him. So that'll be fun.

• 18:55Cameron Hanes?

  Shout out to Ketone.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  But yeah, so after that, we headed south.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  To Laredo.

• 19:05Cameron Hanes?

  That's right. Um, yeah. So, God, was that the next day?

• 19:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, had to be, right?

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it was.

• 19:16Cameron Hanes?

  So Friday was a fight.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, went to Cactus Jack down the next day, flew, flew to, yeah, from Dallas to Laredo. Oh, first I was in Austin and had dinner with Joe and Evan, business dinner. So that was fun. Good to see those guys.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Business luncheon.

• 19:40Cameron Hanes?

  It was definitely dinner, but yeah, I'm sure that's a joke reference. I'm not getting.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  I just think the word luncheon is.

• 19:47Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, luncheon? Yeah, that's a cool word, luncheon. That should be on the shirt, on new merch. Luncheon. Did you see my fashion show at lunch?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  I did. Fashion show, fashion show, fashion show at lunch.

• 20:00Cameron Hanes?

  Did you see my filters?

• 20:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:03Cameron Hanes?

  Well, those, those take your photos to the next level.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  I don't know what my photos would be without them.

• 20:10Cameron Hanes?

  Shit.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, just so everyone knows, I send all my photos to Cam and then he edits them and sends them back to me, the ones I post.

• 20:17Cameron Hanes?

  Do you see the one where I jumped over the deer?

• 20:22Speaker 01

  I have to send that to Macy.

• 20:24Cameron Hanes?

  I fixed that one. Um, all right. So then, yeah, went to Austin, then to Dallas, then to Laredo. Then started hunting this buck. Um,

• 20:36Cameron Hanes?

  yeah, I don't know. That place is crazy. What do you think of Cactus Jack?

• 20:41Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, you had duped me a little bit before about the accommodations.

• 20:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  As you always do. And so when we got there, I was like, this place is so nice.

• 20:54Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I think, did I say we were in a trailer or something?

• 20:58Speaker 01

  Something like you'd be lucky to have a bed or something.

• 21:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. No, they, they do it up right. I mean, it's Texas.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:04Cameron Hanes?

  So, uh, it's gotta be one of the best deer hunting places in Texas, which is gonna trigger a lot of people. I'm sorry, I'm hunting there. I wish I, yeah, I wish I, no, I don't. I don't wish I didn't have that opportunity. I'm pretty happy, but, um, yeah, it's insane.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, super nice. Um, and just the.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  The amount of, you know, good bucks there.

• 21:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 21:32Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it, it, yeah, it's a whole different, normally when I hunt like today, I'm like, oh, that's a pretty nice three by three. That, that might work and I actually pass it up, but um, normally I'm not this big trophy hunter. Just like, I don't know. I just like to bow hunt and, but there, they're very, very strict on, they want to kill old bucks. So they, they want, it's not just, it's not just a regular place. It's a, you know, they like those bucks to get seven, eight, nine years old sometimes, which is insane. Cause when you grew up like me hunting in public land

• 22:13Cameron Hanes?

  where, you know, any legal buck, I can look at, I mean, my first buck was a spike and uh, you know, I was pumped to, to kill it. But um, yeah, when you grow up like normally just grinding out, you see anything, you're not hardly ever passing anything up to go into, you know, now it's been 40 years of hunting. So I've, I've been around a little bit, but to go to where you're not even shooting a five year old, it's insane.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:43Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you look at those bucks and you, you get kind of used to aging them. Cause you kind of look at, start looking at their face, start looking at their body, start looking at um, just different, you know, trying to, to tell, okay, what's a five year old buck with a seven year old buck. Um, I don't know. It's, it's a science for sure, but.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  I mean, however they're doing it, however they're managing it is clearly working, you know?

• 23:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I think they, I think this year they killed one over 200, but their best year ever is I think five over 200. But that was just kind of like how the age class of the bucks worked. You can't really rely on that, but a 200 inch whitetail, I mean, you saw those bucks in there. Insane.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:31Cameron Hanes?

  Insane. And it's, you know, it's, it's low fence. It's, you know, the, those bucks, they can, you know, do whatever. There's really no reason for them to leave, but it's no different than a lot of places in Texas. I mean, they can, they can get on the highway and um, you know, what, whatever. Um, plenty of illegals walking through there, I've noticed.

• 23:54Cameron Hanes?

  So. Yeah, it's just, it's, you know, what's that, what's that called? Golden Triangle, South Texas.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:02Cameron Hanes?

  It's the best country there is for whitetail.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. So was it the third morning?

• 24:07Cameron Hanes?

  When I killed?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I think so. I saw him the night before. Somehow did not get him killed. He was at 25 yards. Just waiting and they, they had stampeded off like three different times, didn't they?

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:23Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, no reason, just fricking gone. And you're just sitting there going, oh my, because by the time it takes him to get back in is a while. And the big bucks will probably never come back in. But, uh, he, so the buck I was after, big old deer.

• 24:45Cameron Hanes?

  Just a crazy whitetail, but, uh, he was in at 25 and he was quartering to a little bit. I thought, not a lot. I mean, most people would look and probably just still try to shove an arrow in there. I just wanted him to have that no near leg forward, just so I didn't have to go through that shoulder blade. Cause you start pushing through shoulder blades on big old bucks like that, who knows what the arrow is gonna do, right? So I just wanted it, why take the chance? I wanted that leg forward and I wanted perfect broadside and he was quartering to and his leg was not, it was like his, his far leg was a little bit forward. So it made it even more quartering, kind of.

• 25:23Cameron Hanes?

  And I'm like, I don't know if I told you, but, you know, maybe I mentioned that I'm waiting or whispered that I'm waiting for that leg to come forward anyway. But before it could at 25 yards, they all spooked.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  And this is at like last light?

• 25:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it was. And I was like, that's okay. That's fine.

• 25:45Cameron Hanes?

  Or I was like, what?

• 25:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, freaking out. I think that's probably the latter, but God, that was frustrating. Cause you never know. I mean, there's no guarantees coming back.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:58Cameron Hanes?

  I mean,

• 26:00Cameron Hanes?

  It's not really hardcore rut, because if it's rut, if it's a rut, which is a little bit later, a couple of weeks, maybe, they could go anywhere and you might never see them. I mean, they've seen bucks that just disappear and or never daylight is what they call show up in the daylight. They're just a night buck. And like Michael, the owner of the property's son, he's been, he's hunting this buck, and I don't think it's ever showed up in the daylight.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think so.

• 26:28Cameron Hanes?

  But he's, it's like a 190 giant. So it's, I mean, there's no guarantees. So that buck took off and we're like back in there the next morning thinking, okay, hopefully we see him again.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  And we did.

• 26:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but we didn't at first, but I said, I go, there he is. And so you're filming this buck. And then I'm like looking at it going, God, is that him? Or is it another giant whitetail? That kind of had like extra, I mean, it was a little bit different, but he had an extra tying on the right side and he had a little crab claw on the left side on the main beam, which is what my buck had too. But my buck had a split G3. So I'm looking at this buck and I'm like, okay, there he is. And I'm like, God, maybe that's not him. And then from walking way to the left, coming out of the brush came my buck. And I'm like, oh, I told you, I said,

• 27:27Cameron Hanes?

  he's to the left. There he is. And then you're then like looking at those two bucks come, you know, where you had like a comparison, it's like, holy shit. Thing was giant. So anyway, he came in, was out there 42, tried to be patient, which normally 42, like if you're elk hunting, 42 is you got to make that shot every single time. But on a whitetail as fast as they are, and there's a million does around watching you all the time, in a blind, which obviously they know is there. And if the sun, like in the evening, the sun was going in the window, which made it almost impossible. But in the morning, the sun was at our back. So way better, but still

• 28:08Cameron Hanes?

  they're so dialed in. And I did not want to take a 42 yard shot at that thing because they could be 10 yards away by the time the arrow got there. They're so fast. And he ended up after, and I don't know, did they spook that morning too?

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, a couple of times again.

• 28:29Cameron Hanes?

  So finally he came back and he got later in the morning, maybe close to eight by this time. And it was getting light at what's 6:30?

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:39Cameron Hanes?

  6:38?

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:41Cameron Hanes?

  So we're an hour and a half into this hunt essentially, or at least an hour. And this buck finally came closer, got to again to 26 yards and then smoked him.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a, it's always a nice feeling.

• 28:58Cameron Hanes?

  Then you got to go, go on down.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got it tipping over. Perfect.

• 29:02Cameron Hanes?

  Wait.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  But I accidentally deleted the footage.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  I did not get it tipping over, if anyone wondering.

• 29:11Cameron Hanes?

  But if you would have, that would have been good.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Exactly. And it's the thought that counts.

• 29:14Cameron Hanes?

  It is. I mean.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  That's what I've learned.

• 29:16Cameron Hanes?

  I try not to put, you know, we're all just trying our best, right?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I, I think you only threw me out of the blind window like twice. So.

• 29:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, so that's not that bad.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:27Cameron Hanes?

  Really, if you think about it.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Pretty good, I think.

• 29:29Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm. So we got our target buck killed. We're going to go back down there, which is pretty sick. I'm looking forward to that. I don't know what I'm going to do, but just hang out. It's just a cool place to hang out.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  It's a nice place to hang out.

• 29:45Cameron Hanes?

  Just see giant deer and.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  It's just like a.

• 29:48Cameron Hanes?

  Cool dogs.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  You know, that Saturday, we, we got done with our hunt, came back, watched the UFC fights. It's like, this is the life.

• 29:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh my God. That was, yeah, that was, John Jones fricking put the whooping on Stipe.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:03Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, Stipe's tough, but tough matchup with Jones.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:09Cameron Hanes?

  Holy shit. He's, he's the best ever.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you killed and then we packed up. Well, we broke your buck down. Packed up.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Drove back to Austin.

• 30:22Cameron Hanes?

  I can't even remember what the hell we did.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Jelly roll.

• 30:25Cameron Hanes?

  Oh shit, that, yeah, same, yeah, that's right, same night.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:29Cameron Hanes?

  So I didn't think, I would pretty, I'd pretty much decided we weren't going to Jelly Roll. I knew he was gonna be at Moody Center in Austin, but you know, the hunt takes precedence. I love seeing him and it's such a treat every time, just the impact he has on people. But I'm like, I gotta hunt this deer, especially after having him so close and not getting a shot the night before. But as fate would have it, we, you know, made a good arrow or released a good arrow, got him killed quick and got him broke down. And then it's like noon or something and we're like, well shit, four hours to Austin? Let's do it.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Made the drive, got, we went to our place of nutrition.

• 31:13Cameron Hanes?

  In-N-Out.

• 31:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, got, went to In-N-Out, got to the hotel, which really nice hotel in Austin. Omni, I think it's called. If we were golfers, are you a golfer?

• 31:28Speaker 01

  I am.

• 31:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  It would be.

• 31:30Cameron Hanes?

  For all you nerds, it's really nice. But for me, I got a haircut there.

• 31:37Cameron Hanes?

  Shout out Sylvia.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  We also got a quick little pump in.

• 31:40Cameron Hanes?

  Just a friend. Oh, we did? Yeah.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Which I gotta attribute to my 225. Thinking about putting that in my.

• 31:46Cameron Hanes?

  Is that what it was?

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gonna become my.

• 31:48Cameron Hanes?

  I would.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:50Cameron Hanes?

  What do you, how do you reference that you bench 225? Do you just say?

• 31:54Speaker 01

  225 bench athlete.

• 32:00Cameron Hanes?

  That's a good one. Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Badass.

• 32:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  225 bench survivor.

• 32:06Cameron Hanes?

  And just, oh, make sure you put free weights, because some people could like nautilus.

• 32:13Cameron Hanes?

  They might look at you and think, oh, it's fucking nautilus for sure, not free weights. So you gotta make sure you like asterix free weights.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Are you saying I don't look like I could bench 225?

• 32:23Cameron Hanes?

  I'm just saying like what people might say. I'm not.

• 32:28Cameron Hanes?

  I'm not saying.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Don't make me flex on camera.

• 32:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, don't rip that shirt. Um, yeah. So then Rihanna and Logan picked us up. We, uh, I don't know. Trying to figure out where to go. That was like the hardest part of getting there. Then I think I just said, just go drive past these cops, turn in this place. And it's like, we pull up to this little like kiosk thing and Rihanna puts her, or I don't know, rolls down her window. And the girl goes, are you Rihanna? I was like, what? How the hell did this work? It's so random, just blowing through cop barricades. And then we go to the right place. So that, yeah, then went in, saw everybody.

• 33:16Cameron Hanes?

  Jelly Roll, incredible, but so many cool people there. Um, yeah, all the Black Rifle Coffee people. Um, who else was there?

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Tony Hinchcliffe, played the shit out of the drums.

• 33:28Cameron Hanes?

  The legend. Yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 33:32Cameron Hanes?

  He's always fun to talk to. Uh, we saw him in the green room and, you know, talked about, he almost blew the election, but then instead he saved the election. Got all the Puerto Rican votes.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Trump's best speaker.

• 33:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh my, yeah, no. Yeah. They're like shocked that Tony said like, uh, controversial, controversial stuff. It's like, you, you, have you ever seen him talk before? Come on, what are we doing? But yeah, it didn't blow the election. Um, so that was cool. Yeah. Saw him. Who else did we see?

• 34:07Speaker 01

  We saw David Lucas.

• 34:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  He's cool.

• 34:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's, I started following him. He said, I didn't follow him. So I started following him right there.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 34:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's a cool guy. He's got a fishing show or something. He takes people fishing.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Is he gonna take you fishing?

• 34:25Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I don't fish.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, when was the last time you fished?

• 34:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Uh, up with Roy in Alaska. We, we'd take the boys, oh yeah, out there. We'd take them bear hunting on their first bear hunts with Roy. And, uh, we'd catch king salmon in the morning and bear hunt at night. That's the double.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:45Cameron Hanes?

  So, since then.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  So, went to the concert. That was great.

• 34:50Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Then the next morning, still not done.

• 34:54Cameron Hanes?

  God, I can't even remember. What would we do the next morning?

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Ways to well.

• 34:57Cameron Hanes?

  Oh God, yeah. I got stem cells shot in my whole body, IV.

• 35:04Cameron Hanes?

  Got other IVs, like vitamins and minerals.

• 35:09Cameron Hanes?

  Got something done, stem cells on my face somehow. So if I look really like glowing and young, that's why.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  You've got that pregnancy.

• 35:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. Mommy glow. Or what's, yeah, I don't know what it's called.

• 35:27Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, so yeah, Wastewell, great people.

• 35:32Cameron Hanes?

  We shot some video there, little testimonials. That's good. Shout out Brigham Stud.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, nice guy.

• 35:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, super nice guy. I love, I love that they're doing so well and open up a new facility and yeah, kicking ass.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that their new office sounds like it's gonna be.

• 35:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Pretty badass.

• 35:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, every person there is like the best.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:54Cameron Hanes?

  Love going there.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Shout out my, my new, new wife.

• 35:59Cameron Hanes?

  Which one?

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Oh, I can't remember it. Lauren.

• 36:06Cameron Hanes?

  She will choke your ass out. God dang. Yeah, you're definitely fucked.

• 36:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, she's cool. But, and what was, what was the girl's name who did the interview?

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Was it Macy? Was it also Macy? Macy's the only thing I can remember because that's what Rihanna called her. And then I was like, I don't think that's her name. But I think.

• 36:30Cameron Hanes?

  Shit, I wish, I wish I was better at names.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Anyways, so got some injections. Then this is what I think everyone's been waiting for.

• 36:41Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. I, I'm totally blank. I didn't even know idea what you're gonna say.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  We had a little bit of time before our flight, so we went to archery country.

• 36:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Where you and I shot for the first time ever.

• 36:54Cameron Hanes?

  Mono Imano?

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Mono Imano.

• 36:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and I thought, I mean, you're Gideon. The chance of you fucking even hitting the target is remote. And then, so you pick up, was it my bow first?

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:10Cameron Hanes?

  And you're fucking stacking them in there. I mean, and it's like half draw because my draw length is 19 inches.

• 37:18Cameron Hanes?

  And you're six, three.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, my draw length is 55.

• 37:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so you're like this and just and I'm like, what the hell is is it my bow this good? It has to be because you obviously are terrible shot. So then Tyler says, hey, do you want to shoot his bow? He had a RX nine. Was it a nine or eight?

• 37:38Speaker 01

  RX nine.

• 37:39Cameron Hanes?

  Brand new RX nine. So shout out Hoyt Archery.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:44Cameron Hanes?

  Sponsor of the show.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  My newest 225 bench sponsor.

• 37:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 37:51Cameron Hanes?

  So, uh, yeah, so he's like, and I, I would, anyway, you shot his bow. I had my bow. I'm like, okay, this is like a no brainer, easy win. I'm like winner or shoot off. That's like my thing. I'm good for one shot usually. If people are going to say, okay, good, good job on that one. Can you shoot five more? No.

• 38:14Cameron Hanes?

  No, because I'm a bow hunter. I make one good shot. That's all I need to do. I don't need to, it's not the best of five.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  One shot of the day.

• 38:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. Shot of the day. Always the first shot of the day. It's always money. But anyway, so I said to you, Gideon, get that bow. Let's have a one hour shoot off for the world championship. Just like this only way that I beat James. Yeah, he beat me in everything else except for the world championship shoot offs. So we go the one hour shoot off and I, no, you shot first.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  I shot.

• 38:49Cameron Hanes?

  And it looked like it was fucking high right.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you were, were you even aiming for the white? What was that?

• 38:55Cameron Hanes?

  I was like, I thought it was out of the white. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is going to be, you know, I'm going to smoke him.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Well, I'd shot a couple of times before with his bow, like you said, and I'd noticed that I was hitting trending up into the left.

• 39:08Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  By quite a bit. So I shot one more time just to figure out where I needed to aim.

• 39:13Cameron Hanes?

  Got your zero.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  I did that before. So I was like, ah, my zero was fucked up. I thought it was out of the white too.

• 39:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no. So I thought, oh, I just got to get anywhere close and I won. So I, whatever, shot a decent arrow. Then we get up there and it's fucking, you were not out of the white.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Pretty close.

• 39:33Cameron Hanes?

  You were right. We had to measure with a little piece of wood, a little stick. And it's like, I might've got you by a millimeter.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Ah, yeah. I mean, I think you got me by a full arrow, but still, it was, I was proud.

• 39:46Cameron Hanes?

  It was close. It was close. You definitely surprised me, but no, you're a good shot.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  I don't know how.

• 39:51Cameron Hanes?

  For, for never practicing.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  I haven't shot in probably 10 months.

• 39:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, you told me you were going to go back and go bow hunting.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  That didn't happen.

• 40:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it didn't happen. But I was like, have you fucking been shooting? I mean, do you remember the lifter and shoot every day? Get ready. Remember that whole thing? Think this is just a game? But you didn't do it anyway. But you could have because you're a good shot.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I wish that would, I don't think, yeah, translates.

• 40:18Cameron Hanes?

  To the field. Well, a lot of people are good on paper.

• 40:23Cameron Hanes?

  And how do they say in your country? Shit the bed? When they start shooting at animals?

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, whatever. It mattered. I made a good shot when it mattered.

• 40:33Cameron Hanes?

  You did. And that was fun.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably won't shoot again for another 10 months. So.

• 40:38Cameron Hanes?

  Met some cool people at archery country. Love that shop.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Super cool shot. The second time. Yeah, we were trying to figure out the first time we went and it was for the 10K.

• 40:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:49Cameron Hanes?

  Did a meet and greet there?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, speaking of 10Ks, we got a 50K.

• 40:55Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. We got five 10Ks. God, dude, I am so not ready for that. And you're doing your first 50K. James Gideon Williams, frozen trail ultra.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 41:11Cameron Hanes?

  December 14th. Are you gonna win?

• 41:14Speaker 01

  That's what I'm going for.

• 41:15Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I don't see how you don't. I mean, yeah, it's your first one.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Long legs.

• 41:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Efficient build.

• 41:21Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Incredible athlete.

• 41:23Cameron Hanes?

  Just like a thoroughbred?

• 41:25Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, I don't want to say it, but 225.

• 41:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 01

  Winning a 50K.

• 41:31Cameron Hanes?

  You know what that is?

• 41:31Speaker 01

  I'm a hybrid.

• 41:32Cameron Hanes?

  That's what I was just, I was just gonna say that. That's fuck, that's what you need in your bio.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Hybrid athlete, baby.

• 41:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's you. So, yeah, when, when they Google me, I win, they'll Google hybrid athlete, Gideon. So I, I don't see how you don't win.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  It'll be a, my photo will just be a silhouette because you have to unlock that character. It's like I'm a special character.

• 41:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I totally get that. Yeah, so that's gonna be, I mean,

• 42:06Cameron Hanes?

  I think you probably could beat me cuz I fucking don't know if I can finish one right now. I don't know. I ran to Spencer's yesterday for our little photo shoot at lunch. And I was just like,

• 42:21Cameron Hanes?

  this sucks. I'm not in the shape. And that was only like, how far did I say that was?

• 42:26Speaker 01

  I think 10 miles or something.

• 42:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, God. So just gotta do that three times?

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, you were like, let me check how far I went.

• 42:32Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man, it's gonna be brutal.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, just to be completely transparent, the furthest I've run in a sanctioned event was a 10K.

• 42:44Cameron Hanes?

  Well,

• 42:44Speaker 01

  skipping the half marathon, skipping the marathon.

• 42:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. You did three finger jab?

• 42:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:51Cameron Hanes?

  How far was that?

• 42:52Speaker 01

  I think that was, what was that, 12 and a half or something like that?

• 42:55Cameron Hanes?

  And that's climbing a mountain?

• 42:56Speaker 01

  I'll be fine.

• 42:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  I've been running a lot, so.

• 43:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you have.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  It's gonna hurt like a motherfucker.

• 43:04Cameron Hanes?

  But have you been running like Instagram running?

• 43:07Speaker 01

  What's that? Oh, fake running?

• 43:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, like the little post, just run for the post cuz that's what I do. And then I go back home. All right, go home.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  No one has found out the truth yet, so I'm safe.

• 43:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  I drive to Pisgah, take a pic. I go 100 yards up the trail, take a picture, and then I come back. So when I performed terribly at the 50K, you'll know why.

• 43:29Cameron Hanes?

  That's what I do.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've seen it.

• 43:33Cameron Hanes?

  I know. You've been there. You've got most of those photos for me.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so we got, and we got a celebrity coming. Do you know who's running it?

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Hmm. Something is Truitt? The Truitt Haynes?

• 43:49Cameron Hanes?

  Truitt, yeah. He's gonna have all his, uh, what does he, what do we always say he's got?

• 43:58Cameron Hanes?

  God, what is it? Trin? Yeah, his Trin. Is that what we say? I fucking don't even.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Trent Malone sandwich.

• 44:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think his cousin put up, I saw the, the, on his New York marathon, he said something like, Trinny thing is possible.

• 44:21Cameron Hanes?

  So he looks like he's on steroids, but he's just, all he does is train and that's kind of what happens. Nobody ever wants to do that. So nobody ever looks like him.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was, I was thinking today, and this is kind of an abstract thought. You can tell me what you think about this, but I moved out here 10 months ago.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Don't run. I can't bench. I think my max bench at that time was like 185.

• 44:45Cameron Hanes?

  Is this a makeover?

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Am I getting groomed?

• 44:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, you are. You're getting, you're, this is it.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  That was my thought.

• 44:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, you're getting groomed.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  I'm being groomed to be an elite athlete.

• 44:55Cameron Hanes?

  A man?

• 44:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Fucked up your whole journey as a human and now you're turning into a man.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:03Cameron Hanes?

  That's, I pulled a fast one on you.

• 45:08Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty soon you're gonna be like Tanner and Truitt.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:11Cameron Hanes?

  Just freaks.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  That's a.

• 45:13Cameron Hanes?

  Be careful.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  My dad must've missed out on that part.

• 45:17Cameron Hanes?

  Trey, you need to be a freak?

• 45:19Speaker 01

  To be a man.

• 45:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, that's good. It's been 10 months, huh? Yeah. Well, now your first 50K. Let's get it done though.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, we can't, I'm, I'm attempting a 50K.

• 45:32Cameron Hanes?

  Let's not check that box yet.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  That box is far from checked.

• 45:35Cameron Hanes?

  Fuck, those things suck, dude. I mean, every time I'm like, you know, I've done long races and every time I do 50K, I'm like, holy shit. I forgot how hard these were.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have no.

• 45:47Cameron Hanes?

  Reference.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  No reference, but I also have no misconceptions.

• 45:53Cameron Hanes?

  Illusions of grandeur.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I know it's gonna suck dick.

• 45:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  But the good news is I know what that feels like.

• 46:03Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely good at that.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Tried to beat you to that one.

• 46:06Cameron Hanes?

  It was close. It was a tie. Yeah, but I think, I mean, if it's that, you're gonna fucking dominate.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  I'm gonna lap everybody.

• 46:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, well, that's all on my list. Hi. Welcome to the Keep Hammering Collective where we're doing, is it 25% off?

• 46:25Cameron Hanes?

  No, 24.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  24.

• 46:30Cameron Hanes?

  Good question.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  My glass is getting foggy.

• 46:35Cameron Hanes?

  Your eyes are humid. Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  So shameless plug, Katie's Hunt.

• 46:40Cameron Hanes?

  That was it?

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Paul vs Tyson, Cactus Jack, Jelly Roll, Ways to Well, Archery Country, 50K, 225, and then the Ketone, Michael's Lift Run Shoot.

• 46:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Do we have, man, we need other guests too, by the way. Does anybody want to come and do a lift run shoot? Cause I'm pretty much all out on my list.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 47:02Cameron Hanes?

  No, we got Sage Steele coming, I think.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, after I do the 50K.

• 47:07Cameron Hanes?

  You?

• 47:08Speaker 01

  I think I'm ready.

• 47:09Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, we're gonna have Truitt on.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Ooh, that'll be a good one.

• 47:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we're gonna have Truitt on.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  For a lift run shoot?

• 47:13Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Uh, just podcast.

• 47:14Cameron Hanes?

  For a pod, well, may, may, probably do, we're gonna, we might as well fucking do a lift run shoot.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  I think we gotta figure out how to get Tanner in here and you guys need to do a family podcast during Thanksgiving.

• 47:25Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  That would be funny.

• 47:28Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe, he's kinda coming around.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:31Cameron Hanes?

  He's coming around. Maybe he'll do it.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  We'll try and persuade him.

• 47:34Cameron Hanes?

  People wanna know. People wanna know, like, cause I always say that he's the bigger beast of the two. Okay, let's, let's like, talk about it.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Let's talk about it.

• 47:42Cameron Hanes?

  And Truitt can, but yeah, Truitt, I'm a little nervous to run with him.

• 47:48Cameron Hanes?

  That fucker's been running, dude. He can run. Holy shit. I always told him, well, first of all, he's too fucking, I'd say fat, but he's not fat, but he's too big to run fast, but he's running fast anyway.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  He's jacked.

• 48:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's jacked, wearing pants and flannels and, uh, so I saw his splits, I think he ran like 18, two days ago, 10 yesterday, and I looked at the mile times and I'm like, okay, this sucks. Cause we're gonna run when he gets here, but, uh.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Do you think you still have the advantage on the uphill though? Been running a lot of flat, right?

• 48:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but I just haven't been running that much.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Well, you got a lot of time.

• 48:32Cameron Hanes?

  Fucking broken foot for five months or whatever the hell. So yeah, it's like all I can use, get out of my foot before it's pretty done is 10 miles.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  You could always schedule the surgery the day before, you know?

• 48:46Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, oh, what a bad break. No pun intended.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  I didn't check the schedule.

• 48:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, my bad.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  My bad. Next year.

• 48:55Cameron Hanes?

  I want that. My only hope is that the hills still get him, but his cardio is fucking off the charts right now. So I'm pretty much fucked, but it's gonna be fun.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  When I was running up there the other day, I was imagining you guys passing me as I'm hating my life.

• 49:11Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, on in the 50 K?

• 49:13Speaker 01

  As I'm on lap two and you guys are finishing.

• 49:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I did that. I've done that race a number of times. And I remember this guy at my old work, he was doing it and

• 49:25Cameron Hanes?

  I passed him. He was fucking hurting. I think he was on his, God, I think second lap and he ended up quitting. So.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  I told you, I want to do it within the eight hours, but don't let me come off of that mountain until, no matter how long it takes.

• 49:45Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Cause I know I'm gonna want to.

• 49:48Cameron Hanes?

  Everybody wants to. You come up with all sorts of shit you can pull out that you think it's gonna sound good. None of it really sounds good. But I told you that one time I went there, I finished, I went home, took a shower, changed, got going back. Cause my, I think, I don't know if my brother was, but I know my stepdad was doing it. I think it might've been one of his first 50 Ks, but I'm going back there.

• 50:12Cameron Hanes?

  An ambulance is coming up behind me and I pull over, he goes around me going to Piska and I'm like, fucking don't tell me. This better not be for Greg. So I get there, sure as shit, it's for Greg. He's up there. He'd been puking. You know, since then, he's done a hundred mile. I mean, he's, he's a fucking beast for 75 years old. But at this time, he was hurting up at top, I think, puking and laying down. And so somebody called like, paramedics or nine, I don't know what they called, but anyway, it was for him. So I had to, in my pants, going back up there, trying to find him. He turned out, everything was okay, but.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:48Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, it wasn't a. So if you have an ambulance come, it won't be the first time.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Well, I'll definitely be doing some puking. I'm prone to it apparently. So.

• 50:58Cameron Hanes?

  Well, if you if you've puked on your little fuck around runs or when did you puke?

• 51:04Speaker 01

  With you.

• 51:05Cameron Hanes?

  Where?

• 51:05Speaker 01

  I dry heaved on three finger jack.

• 51:07Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. Why did you puke on that one? I don't really, I don't know why you, why were you puking?

• 51:14Speaker 01

  We got down to the truck. I was, uh, what a super hot or whatever, but we'd run out of water. Eric and I barely brought it.

• 51:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  And when we got back to the truck, I had two big Nal jeans full of water.

• 51:26Cameron Hanes?

  You guzzled them? Yeah, yeah.

• 51:30Cameron Hanes?

  That'll do it.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Which is makes it surprising that I was dry heaving. You would think that water would come up, but steel trap.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Steel trap, baby.

• 51:40Cameron Hanes?

  Well, it's gonna be, we need to have somebody film this.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  December 14th.

• 51:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, cuz you're gonna be.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be an athlete.

• 51:50Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, well, a hybrid, but it's also gonna, there's gonna be some drama, I think, involved in your first 50K.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  100% there will be. I wanted to make a mockumentary out of it.

• 52:02Cameron Hanes?

  My first 50K was McDonald's 450K and it hurt worse than anything I've ever done. At that time, now I've heard a lot worse since then, but at that time, and I was like, so 2005, is that 20 years ago? So I was, you know, in my 30s.

• 52:23Cameron Hanes?

  I'm pretty old and I'm like, hadn't, I guess, apparently haven't really done that hard a shit cuz that was miserable.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  I mean, I know I haven't, so I'm fucked.

• 52:34Cameron Hanes?

  It's God.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think of one, the one time where I was like, where my legs hurt and I can't.

• 52:40Cameron Hanes?

  Um, I don't know. If you just keep moving, you'll finish, but it's just like fighting those demons.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gonna be brutal, but.

• 52:49Cameron Hanes?

  You think about all, you know, all those, you know, your female friends, like Jake Paul's girlfriend, the ring girl. Just think about them.

• 53:03Cameron Hanes?

  Think about them watching you and cheering you on and going, go Giddy, go, go Giddy, go. I got a treat for you after this. Coming up, uh, yeah, coming up next. I don't know what we got. I think we got Truitt. We'll do that when he's coming in two days.

• 53:23Cameron Hanes?

  Wednesday, right?

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Fuck. Thanksgiving's on Thursday.

• 53:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And you're fucking coming over. Great. No.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  How's Elf?

• 53:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's, uh, we're trying to help the needy and the less fortunate. And also you're grooming, trying to turn you into a man. So you can, you can be invited.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so kind of you. Thank you.

• 53:49Cameron Hanes?

  If I kill Buck, you need to take pictures of it. Cause you're not filming it. Cause I'm, I need a fucking break.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  You didn't want me to fuck it up?

• 53:56Cameron Hanes?

  God. No, it's nice. Just, just hunting out there, just chilling.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:03Cameron Hanes?

  Not to think about anything. But, uh, all right. Well, that's a little catch up update. Um, with, uh, the return of the Mac. AKA G-Dog.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  G-Dog, big G.

• 54:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. All right, guys.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  225 athlete.

• 54:20Cameron Hanes?

  225 hybrid. Thanks. Keep hammering.