491 - Ye Olde 7-Eleven

On today’s episode, Karen covers castaway Philip Ashton. For our sources and show notes, visit www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes http://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:02Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 1:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Hello and welcome. To my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hardstark. That's Karen Kilgariff. And we're here to do a little bit of podcasting for you. Just a little, like a side of podcasting. One of those small ramekins. Cute. Bread crumbs on the top. Oh, torch it, burn it a little. And that's really all you need. Crunchy and cheesy podcasting. Don't forget your podcast stomach is only this big. Are you hungry?

• 1:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Who knows anymore?

• 1:54Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, truly.

• 1:55Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean.

• 1:56Georgia Hardstark?

  So we're doing some solo episodes. I feel like we should just talk about it. Like, we're planning this huge tour. We have our researchers, they have a lot of work. And so we're just gonna kinda do some solos so we can catch up on all of that.

• 2:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Reminder, these are free.

• 2:11Georgia Hardstark?

  It's summer, these are free. We are human beings with lives, trying to live lives at least a little bit.

• 2:17Karen Kilgariff?

  And going on tour.

• 2:19Georgia Hardstark?

  And fucking going on tour.

• 2:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 2:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Go to myfavoritemurder.com/live and get your tickets if you want them.

• 2:25Karen Kilgariff?

  There's a couple left. There's a couple left.

• 2:26Georgia Hardstark?

  There. Speaking of, I think we should also say, like, there are no plans for tours in the future, you guys. Like, this is, I don't see myself touring again after this. So if you're on the fence about it.

• 2:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I thought you said you were gonna be a stand-up. Good luck.

• 2:41Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, no, thank you. Yeah, get your tickets.

• 2:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's a threat, directly.

• 2:45Georgia Hardstark?

  It's kind of a threat. No.

• 2:46Karen Kilgariff?

  It's an absolute threat.

• 2:48Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a warning. It's just information that I feel like we should give people.

• 2:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Absolutely. Here's more information we should give people. One of the biggest, we can call it fights, that you've ever seen on this podcast.

• 2:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Scandal. A scandal even.

• 3:00Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a scandal. I think, it's something that you didn't realize. It's, I was gonna say something very political, but instead I'll say this. This Thanksgiving, we promise you there's something new to fight about. And it is, who was right in the sister's wedding argument, big sister or little sister? And the people have spoken.

• 3:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, so, Minisode 444, you and I discussed an email that came in about wedding drama, because we'd asked for wedding drama. And this little sister wrote in about how high maintenance her big sister was being, because the little sister was gonna have her wedding two months after the big sister's wedding. And I thought that that was fine. You understood the big sister's side. And so we took a poll.

• 3:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 3:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Right?

• 3:46Karen Kilgariff?

  A poll that almost 12,000 people responded to. Like, when I first heard these poll results, I'm like, what is that, 300? There's no way, there's no way I'm wrong to that level.

• 3:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, you're right. I see 11K, 11.9K.

• 3:58Karen Kilgariff?

  11.9 thousand people were like, I have an opinion. And so the results are in this poll. After 12,000 people basically responded, 79% were in favor of the little sister and only 21% were on the big sister's side.

• 4:15Georgia Hardstark?

  That's a big margin.

• 4:16Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a big margin. And so that is for the people who say, stick to true crime. Why do you fucking talk in the beginning of the?

• 4:22Georgia Hardstark?

  That's for you, 11.9. Why am I angry today?

• 4:26Karen Kilgariff?

  I love it. Get it out, let everybody know. But here's the thing, if we could stick to true crime, we would have done it nine and a half years ago. We're not.

• 4:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 4:34Karen Kilgariff?

  The argument's over, just like this argument is over. The people have voted on the little sister Georgia's side.

• 4:40Georgia Hardstark?

  So we posted a clip of the debate to Instagram and TikTok. And we also got a lot of comments, which is, of course, what we actually want.

• 4:47Karen Kilgariff?

  What we're looking for.

• 4:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So someone says, as a little sister, this is classic bratty little cis behavior. That's from TikTok from, I can make another username. It's their username.

• 4:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah. Well, a very good point that Ange.m.z makes on Instagram, which is the military is no joke when it comes to leave little sister all the way. So I think what Molly, which was really smart, is gave me your side arguments and you my side arguments. Yes, we simply must understand what the other side was talking about.

• 5:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Here's a long one. This is from Instagram from Tess Jagger Wells. I'm going with both in the wrong. But the younger sister pissed me off with the way she worded the whole thing. You don't get to unilaterally decide that this will be fun for you and your sister. And I didn't like the way she talked about her sister's relationship, like that wedding matters less because they've been together and engaged for a while.

• 5:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 5:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, fair.

• 5:42Karen Kilgariff?

  There's a lot of that kind of stuff.

• 5:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 5:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Kind of similarly, Ashton underscore with underscore and underscore E. So Ashton Ian said, how is this the most divisive content you've ever posted?

• 5:57Karen Kilgariff?

  I cannot decide. I'm an older sister, but... dot, dot, dot. Can we get both perspectives? LOL.

• 6:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God. Bethany on TikTok said, "Six months apart is the correct answer."

• 6:08Karen Kilgariff?

  I love that one.

• 6:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 6:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Just like, we've solved it. Mitch, M-I-C-H dot sum, said, "These sisters can afford weddings in this economy." Very good point.

• 6:18Georgia Hardstark?

  This raised my blood pressure. I've read every comment and I still can't decide.

• 6:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Someone, NoShitShelby, said, "Is there a secret third sister we can side with?" I bet there is.

• 6:28Georgia Hardstark?

  I bet there is. And she's like, "I'm staying fucking out of this." Little sister, taking both sides, taking neither side.

• 6:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. She basically hates both them equally and thinks they're both wrong equally.

• 6:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So what do you think? Let us know.

• 6:40Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, this was a fun... If you didn't hear about it, you can go watch the clip, because you will have a very definitive opinion.

• 6:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Definitely. Definitive and definite.

• 6:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Looking for those big sisters arguers. You want to come and show up? Only the little sister showed up, which is very little sister.

• 6:57Georgia Hardstark?

  They're all on social media. The little sisters are the social media ones.

• 7:00Karen Kilgariff?

  They do have the time.

• 7:01Georgia Hardstark?

  The older ones are on Facebook, the little ones are on TikTok and Instagram, right?

• 7:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Fight me.

• 7:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Argue with me about that.

• 7:07Karen Kilgariff?

  I can't figure out how to log on to Instagram. That's like me with my, is it a Finsta? I had a Finsta and I couldn't remember what fake a name I used.

• 7:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, right.

• 7:15Karen Kilgariff?

  And I just never used it again. I think I had some Kevin something.

• 7:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Kevin?

• 7:19Karen Kilgariff?

  I tried to go...

• 7:20Georgia Hardstark?

  That's so random.

• 7:21Karen Kilgariff?

  So fake.

• 7:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 7:23Karen Kilgariff?

  No one would ever suspect. And it's like, they don't, because I can't log on. Classic. So because this was such a popular interaction, both here on the show, and then, of course, content-wise on other platforms, we decided we should have more pick-a-side, where Georgia and I argue for or against whatever's going on. So if you have something going on in your family especially right now, between you and your sister especially, or a friend, of course, or whoever.

• 7:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Roommate, yeah.

• 7:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Just something you can't settle, please don't make it, don't bring us into any kind of a legal area.

• 7:59Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't base your decision on what we say, either. This is not legally binding, whatever we say.

• 8:03Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. Our advice is not professional or reasonable.

• 8:07Georgia Hardstark?

  We're barely doctors.

• 8:09Karen Kilgariff?

  We just passed that last bar exam. So we want to help you, and we mostly want to argue.

• 8:16Georgia Hardstark?

  And we probably won't.

• 8:17Karen Kilgariff?

  And we won't help you. We'll help ourselves to you.

• 8:20Georgia Hardstark?

  The end. Great.

• 8:23Karen Kilgariff?

  All right, we have a podcast network. You want to talk about it?

• 8:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure. We are so excited and proud. You've heard us talk about it. We are so proud to welcome our newest podcast. It's about cults called Trust Me to the Exactly Right Family. On their premiere episode, Lola and Megan sit down with artist and writer Akina Cox, who shares her experience growing up in the Unification Church, also known as the Moonies. From mass weddings to unpaid labor and Reverend Moon's surprising ties to American politics, this is the first part of an incredible two-part series. New episodes of Trust Me are every Wednesday. Please rate, review, subscribe.

• 9:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Then over on Bananas, we've got Kurt and Scotty talking about a Florida man who celebrated his birthday by doing meth, stealing a tour train, and then going ahead and picking up some passengers to give that tour.

• 9:12Georgia Hardstark?

  That's nice of him.

• 9:13Karen Kilgariff?

  That's community service.

• 9:17Georgia Hardstark?

  And then over on Ghosted, Roz's gag to welcome back filmmaker, writer, and drag queen icon, Peaches Christ.

• 9:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Legend.

• 9:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Legend. The two talk about stigmata, a mysterious piece of Jesus toast, and new discoveries surrounding the unsolved death of legendary drag queen, Heckelina.

• 9:35Karen Kilgariff?

  In case you missed it, we're going on tour. You may have missed the beginning of this. We guilted you into buying tickets. Some shows are sold out. Lots of shows actually are sold out. More than half.

• 9:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 9:46Karen Kilgariff?

  So if you want to come see us live, go grab your tickets at myfavoritemurder.com/live.

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• 12:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 12:22Georgia Hardstark?

  All right, so this is your solo episode.

• 12:24Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. So with solo episodes, we pick stories that are fun, I would say.

• 12:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 12:31Karen Kilgariff?

  I like fun.

• 12:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Mine for the next episode is not fun.

• 12:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, we pick differently.

• 12:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 12:35Karen Kilgariff?

  But this one especially is very, very thematically off target in a way, but very interesting. And we've done these kinds of stories before. This one starts June 15, 1722.

• 12:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, wow.

• 12:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Old.

• 12:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Way back, machine.

• 12:50Karen Kilgariff?

  And it starts off the southwestern coast of modern day Nova Scotia at a settlement called Port Roseway. There's a group of six fishermen from New England. Their ship, the Milton, is anchored at that port after a long day's work. Among those six men is a 19-year-old from Massachusetts named Philip Ashton. Philip is exhausted, as is the rest of the Milton's crew, because it's a grueling job, of course. Beyond the usual difficulties of these labor-intensive fishing expeditions, Philip, who is a weak swimmer, fell overboard a few days prior. And his shipmate and childhood friend, Joseph Libby, actually pulled him out of the water,

• 13:31Karen Kilgariff?

  thank God, because Philip would have drowned otherwise. So Philip and Joseph and the rest of the crew are ready for some R and R before they have to continue on that journey. But there are 13 other vessels anchoring near Port Roseway at the moment. Everybody's ready for some R and R. But then the Milton crew sees a 14th vessel entering this port. It's a large ship with two masts. That's called the brigantine. You knew that.

• 13:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure. I must.

• 14:01Karen Kilgariff?

  So Philip and his shipmates watch this bigger brigantine boat drop a smaller boat. And now that boat is rowing straight for the Milton. So Philip and the rest of the crew don't really think much of it because they figure that the crew on the brigantine just want to see, you know, other human faces after a long time at sea, maybe hear the latest news from the American colonies, you know, get the update. Goss, a little gossip. Wouldn't it be nice after like three years at sea and you're just like, oh my god. So sick of these fucking people. Get me away from these nerds. So it turns out that's not the case at all. They're not just a boat full of gossips. These strangers board the Milton, brandishing pistols and cutlasses.

• 14:45Karen Kilgariff?

  And after the initial shock wears off, Philip and the rest of the crew realize that they're dealing with every 18th century sea traveler's worst nightmare. Pirates. These pirates easily overpower the six-man Milton crew and force them to board their brigantine. And once that's done, they board every other vessel anchored in Port Roseway and they take all those crews hostage as well. Nobody, there's 13 other boats and nobody fought back? No, because they're all doing that same thing of like, oh, look at these guys in a rowboat. Right. I think rowboats aren't that scary. No, rowboats, yeah, it's like, oh, it's how cute, a rowboat. Yeah. Some guys in a rowboat. Yeah. So now everybody, including Philip, is at the mercy of these pirates. No one knows what's going to happen next.

• 15:27Karen Kilgariff?

  And as scary as that must have been, the truth is that at this moment, Philip's entire life is about to take an unbelievable series of twists and turns that will turn this teenage fisherman into a legend. This is the story of castaway Philip Ashton. All right. So you know in those funny like cards from the 70s when there's like a little tiny island with one palm tree and a castaway? Yes. With like the beard and the scraggly pants? Yes, and I'm getting comfortable. Well, this is kind of the vibe of that. This feels like this guy is the OG of that guy. He's the, he's the basis, or he's the reason for the cartoon. Kind of. He's what the cartoon is based on. It's what I kept thinking, where I was like, well, at least it's not just one tiny plot. Yeah. Sand pile with a palm tree on it. Right. But it's not much better.

• 16:10Karen Kilgariff?

  So the main sources for this story that Maren used are a memoir written by Philip Ashton himself, which is heavily cited. Then there's a 2014 book called At the Point of a Cutlass by Gregory N. Fleming. And there's an uncredited article on the New England Historical Society's website. The rest of the sources are in our show notes. So. We're now on board the brigantine. Things are looking incredibly grim for Philip. And that's because this specific vessel called the Rebecca is helmed by a notoriously violent and sadistic pirate named Edward "Ned" Lowe.

• 16:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Ned, the most terrifying name on the seas.

• 16:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Ned, Ned from Human Resources Ned? Or Ned the Pirate Ned?

• 16:53Georgia Hardstark?

  No, Pirate Ned, Pirate.

• 16:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Dreaded Pirate Ned Lowe. So according to a write-up by the New England Historical Society, quote, "Lowe had a reputation as a psychopath whom mutilated, disemboweled, and decapitated his prisoners."

• 17:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Sorry Ned, sorry. I take it back. I take it all back.

• 17:10Karen Kilgariff?

  You're not a nerd. Mariners who plied the Atlantic were terrified of Lowe, who is said to have French... Oh fuck, this is so crazy. Okay. Mariners, "Mariners who plied the Atlantic were terrified of Lowe, who is said to have fried a French cook alive."

• 17:25Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 17:26Karen Kilgariff?

  "He once cut off a captain's lips with a cutlass, broiled them, and forced the victim to eat them while still hot."

• 17:33Georgia Hardstark?

  No! That is sadistic. As a person with lips, that was a very painful fucking thing for me.

• 17:39Karen Kilgariff?

  As a person.

• 17:40Georgia Hardstark?

  As a person.

• 17:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Back on the Rebecca, Ned Lowe is now addressing the dozens of fishermen and merchants that he's holding hostage, of course, including Philip. And he offers all of them an ultimatum. They can either surrender all their possessions and join the Rebecca's crew as pirates, or they can be held as prisoners. There are no other options. No third Z's.

• 18:03Georgia Hardstark?

  No, I'm gonna get out of here.

• 18:04Karen Kilgariff?

  You know what I'm gonna do? It's crazy.

• 18:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's get out of here.

• 18:07Karen Kilgariff?

  I just remembered I have a dinner. Most of the hostages feel they don't have a choice, but not Philip Ashton. He refuses to be forced into becoming a pirate, even as his childhood friend Joseph reluctantly agrees to. Philip later attributes his decision to his, quote, "dislike of Ned Lowe's company and actions, my concern for my parents, and my fear of being found in such bad company." So he's all about status. He's got morals and status. That's right. Yeah. He also somewhat naively asks the pirates to put him, quote, "onboard any other vessel or send him ashore." Okay. So he actually does ask permission to ski-daddle. Yeah, no, thank you. Of course, that doesn't happen, and now Philip is on Ned Lowe's radar. Right.

• 18:51Karen Kilgariff?

  So he is the guy that basically goes, "Excuse me, can I go?" Yeah. So he's put in heavy chains, he's beaten, and he's pushed into a cargo hold along with every other prisoner that's being held on the Rebecca. And as the days turn to weeks and the weeks turn to months, Philip begs to be released, but his pleas are met with more beatings. Jeez. So it's bad. It's so bad that when the Rebecca finally anchors, one of Ned Lowe's prisoners tries to escape the ship. Occasionally, these escapes are successful, but an unsuccessful escape pretty much means death for the prisoner, either out in the elements or when they're recaptured at the hands of the pirates themselves. Yikes. But being a prisoner on a pirate ship means being consistently underfed, regularly

• 19:35Karen Kilgariff?

  tortured, and constantly exposed to illness, like what anybody else could have Right. in the hot, very densely-packed holding area with the other captives. So it's a death sentence in and of itself. Yeah. So Philip decides to escape, and he figures if he dies trying to make a break for it, at least he tried. Yeah. But he wants to be smart about it, so he waits for the right moment. And in March of 1723, which is nine months after he is first imprisoned, Wow. he finally senses an opportunity, and that comes as the Rebecca is pulling into the Gulf of Honduras, which at the time is officially under the control of Spain. You knew that. Of course. The brigantine anchors near Roatan, which is an island about 40 miles north of Honduras.

• 20:20Karen Kilgariff?

  It's 50 miles long, but only five miles across Hmm. at its widest part. So it's a long, skinny guy. Got it. And today, this island is known for its beautiful beaches and the great scuba diving and great snorkeling, but there is a long history here. Back then, it wasn't? Back then, no snorkeling. People hated the snorkeling back in the 1700s. The tourists hadn't come yet to snorkel. And to rate, review, and subscribe. It's believed that Roatan was first inhabited by the Pesh indigenous people, who were violently displaced by European colonists in the 16th century. And then by early 1723, when the Rebecca arrives offshore, Roatan is totally uninhabited.

• 21:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Instead, the island and the islands around it have become hideaways, where pirates can anchor their ships, row to shore on smaller boats, look around for fresh water after long voyages at sea. Cheers to that. Could you feel it? The fresh, fresh water. Oh, thank God for fresh water. Give it up for fresh water. So Ned Lowe and the crew of the Rebecca are there to do just that. Once the ship is anchored, Ned Lowe unshackles Philip and sends him with the group that are going to shore to help fill water casks for the ship. Philip decides this will be his moment. He explains later, quote, "I was very active in helping get the casks out of the boat and roll them up to the watering place."

• 21:50Karen Kilgariff?

  End quote. One of the great quotes. That's a must. It was my senior quote, actually. Now that I'm thinking of it, I forgot Philip Ashton is who I quoted when I graduated. Say it again, say it again. It's, "I was very active in helping get the casks out of the boat and roll them up to the watering place." That's fucking poignant. It's so me. As he does this little by little, Philip wanders away from the rest of the crew. He does the classic, yeah, whistling, walking backwards.

• 22:20Karen Kilgariff?

  What, what? A toucan. I hear some, I hear my mom calling me. I'll be right back. So he does this, wanders away, and then suddenly sprints into the jungle and runs for his life. Hell, yeah. When the pirates realize that he's gone, they look everywhere for him. But Roatan's forests are very dense, so trying to find one person in it feels impossible. So when Ned Lowe calls the pirates back to the Rebecca, they just decide to leave Philip behind. They figure he's probably gonna die out there. He doesn't even have shoes on. Oh, jeez.

• 22:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Neither do I.

• 22:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God. Have you been chained up inside the bottom of a boat? Don't make people pay for that. Don't just lift your foot up.

• 23:04Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm trying to get more viewers.

• 23:05Karen Kilgariff?

  No, no, no, no, not for free.

• 23:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Trying to get more audience members.

• 23:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Don't give it for free.

• 23:09Georgia Hardstark?

  It's just one. It's like not even a pair, so it's not really worth as much.

• 23:13Karen Kilgariff?

  So, the odds certainly are stacked against Philip at this moment. He has no fire-starting tools, he has no hunting equipment of any kind, and he's already starving. So, he's a mess.

• 23:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 23:24Karen Kilgariff?

  He's able to find limes and coconuts right away.

• 23:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey.

• 23:27Karen Kilgariff?

  But of course, the limes are bitter, and he can't open the coconuts.

• 23:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure.

• 23:32Karen Kilgariff?

  So, it's isn't that life? Luckily, Philip also finds wild figs and something called sapote. I know, right?

• 23:39Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a nice salad, I'll give you that.

• 23:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, and just kind of put it together, and then just hold the coconut in your hand. Philip describes sapote as, quote, "larger than an orange, of oval shape, of a brownish color outside and red within."

• 23:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Grapefruit? What? Why are you looking at me?

• 23:56Karen Kilgariff?

  I know, I'm not sure.

• 23:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Am I supposed to guess what it is?

• 23:58Karen Kilgariff?

  No, because I wouldn't be able to tell you anyway.

• 23:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, got it.

• 24:00Karen Kilgariff?

  But I was thinking mango.

• 24:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, okay. Yeah.

• 24:04Karen Kilgariff?

  To make sure these fruits are safe to eat, Philip decides he's gonna wait around until one of the native animal goes and eats it first, and then study the reaction it had, you know, their reactions to the fruit. But the idea of waiting feels next to impossible because he's already starving. So, this desperation leads to a few close calls. Like, in one case, Philip finds a piece of fruit. It looks like an apple to him. He looks it over. He has no idea what it is, but he is almost about to eat it. And then, he just decides it's not worth the risk. And he will later learn it's an extremely toxic fruit called the manchinil, which is also known as the death apple.

• 24:43Georgia Hardstark?

  It's right there in the name.

• 24:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Right there in his hand.

• 24:45Georgia Hardstark?

  I wonder if there was like, there was like some kind of smell that hits like, you know, caveman brain.

• 24:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, that's like, no, no, no.

• 24:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:53Karen Kilgariff?

  He writes later, quote, "If I had eaten it, it would have been the death to me."

• 24:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Oof.

• 24:58Karen Kilgariff?

  So, as days turn to weeks, Philip manages to find enough fruit for himself to stay alive. He also finds fresh water very easily. Him and those casks, it's his specialty. Soon, he builds himself a hut out of palm fronds and tree branches. Classic castaway stuff.

• 25:16Karen Kilgariff?

  But of course, it's all exhausting for him. He's constantly exerting himself and burning tons of energy during those treks, like hunting for supplies and looking for fruit. And although he's grateful for any sustenance, it's like way more than he got on that boat, he's struggling to meaningfully refuel. He needs protein, and there isn't any. Although it's there, he crosses paths with countless wild hogs, ducks, pigeons, and deer on the island. He's vegan. Oh, man. What are the chances? He just sent his check to PETA, and there's just no way he's gonna do that, something with a soul. No, he just doesn't have the tools. Fair enough. He would love to kill any of those animals with joy.

• 25:58Karen Kilgariff?

  One day, as he walks along the beach, he stumbles upon some tortoise nests with dozens of small eggs inside. He eats several of these eggs raw, and will later describe the taste as, quote, "not very good." Oh, man. Could you do it? Could you do it? Crack an egg in my... Yes. A tortoise egg. How big are those? Small. The paper that Maren wrote for me says small. Okay. Not very good. No. I could never. You would. You could. I could after a couple of months. Yeah. But fuck. Yeah. Let's not get into situations. I mean, I've had a cocktail that has raw egg in it. What'd it taste like? Like cocktail with raw egg in it? No, it's not bad. It's not bad. Was there any kind of a tortoise essence to it at all? No. Okay. Not great.

• 26:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Then you weren't on Roatan Island. I wasn't starving for a cocktail, or was I? Or was you?

• 26:51Georgia Hardstark?

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• 27:25Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:35Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:45Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:52Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:55Georgia Hardstark?

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• 27:57Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:01Georgia Hardstark?

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• 28:03Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:29Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:31Georgia Hardstark?

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• 28:34Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:56Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:59Georgia Hardstark?

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• 29:04Karen Kilgariff?

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• 29:19Georgia Hardstark?

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• 29:22Karen Kilgariff?

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• 29:25Georgia Hardstark?

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• 29:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 29:33Karen Kilgariff?

  So, months pass and Philip doesn't have a game plan for anything other than just surviving. And despite this island being relatively small, every one of Philip's days is filled with new and terrifying experiences. Like when he came upon a snake that he describes as, quote, "very large, as big, round as a man's waist and 12 or 14 feet long." Uh-uh. And he says, quote, "The first I saw of these greatly surprised me, for I was very near to it when I discovered it to be a living creature." Holy shit. And then it opened its mouth wide enough to have thrown a hat into it. Oh. And blew out its breath at me. Oh, I didn't know that snakes did that. I mean.

• 30:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Take a deep sigh. Like a giant hissing python? Yeah. One positive for Philip is that he uses his downtime on Roatan while he's not foraging or building shelter to improve his swimming skills. But of course, that's also filled with danger. And he later writes, quote, "Another time as I was swimming, a shark struck me in the thigh, just as I set my foot to ground, so grounded himself on the shoals and could not turn himself to come at me with his mouth. Through the goodness of God, I escaped falling prey to his devouring teeth." Yikes. So a big shark beached itself to try to eat him and just missed, essentially. As the days and weeks go by, Philip becomes increasingly frail, both physically and of course mentally.

• 31:03Karen Kilgariff?

  His days become monotonous and they start to blend together. Been there. Philip wanders up the same hills, ventures to the same fruit trees, stares at the same expanse of ocean over and over, day after day. He's starved for human connection and he hasn't talked to another human being in months and complains, quote, "The parrots here had not even been taught to speak." That's his complaint? Two stars. That's his Yelp review of the island. "Come with me as I explore this island." Then something unbelievable happens. In November of 1723, after being stranded for around nine months, Whoa. he suddenly spots a man rowing toward the island in a canoe. Wow. Hey. What?

• 31:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Philip can hardly believe his eyes, and for a second, he thinks he's hallucinating. But when the man comes ashore, Philip realizes that he is actually real. So he cautiously approaches this man, who is visibly frightened by Philip and his crazy, unkempt appearance. Sure. So I think nine months at this point. Scraggly, beardy. Yeah. As writer Gregory N. Fleming notes, quote, "He stepped back a little, letting the sight of Philip sink in, and then finally approached and shook his hand." So as it turned out, this man is from England, and he tells Philip he's recently escaped Spaniards on mainland Honduras who were trying to kill him. The Englishman claims he came to Roatan because he believed it was abandoned. He doesn't share much more information about himself.

• 32:33Karen Kilgariff?

  He doesn't even say what his name is. But Philip doesn't care, because this Englishman came prepared. Philip later writes that the man brought, quote, "five pounds of pork, a knife, powder, tobacco, tongs, and flint." What kind of powder are we talking about? Doot doot. The old- Little nose candy? Little ski party on Roatan. And this man is, thank God, kind enough to share all of these supplies with Philip. I don't think I would like I was hallucinating that. That's lucky of him. It's a dream. After nine months, it's like the dream. But as grateful as Philip is to have met this stranger, their time together does not last long. After a few days, the Englishman says he wants to go to a neighboring island to scavenge and hunt.

• 33:16Karen Kilgariff?

  But Philip doesn't think that he is physically up for that task, so he decides to stay behind, which, to me, I'm trying to read between the lines of like, immediately, did you hate each other? Yeah. Annoyed the shit out of each other immediately. It's like a guy from Boston and a British guy. Hey, I'm just gonna go- I feel like I want to just check that other island. You should totally stay here if you're not up for it. Chill. Yeah. Chill underneath this palm tree. You got this. Here's some powder. I'll be back. Philip's like, cool, cool, cool. I'll watch the powder. Right. So as the Englishman climbs into his canoe, he assures Philip that he will be back soon. Mm-hmm. I'm just gonna check out this other party and then I'll come back.

• 33:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 33:55Karen Kilgariff?

  And we'll totally keep our partying.

• 33:56Georgia Hardstark?

  I said I'd stop by just for this party and then I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back here.

• 33:58Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't even wanna go.

• 33:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 34:00Karen Kilgariff?

  But I have to go.

• 34:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Just show my face on this island.

• 34:04Karen Kilgariff?

  I need the credit. An hour after the Englishman leaves Roatan, there's severe weather with, quote, violent gusts of wind and rain. That Englishman never returns.

• 34:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Karen Kilgariff?

  So several days pass, Philip accepts the fact that the Englishman is likely never coming back. And he starts using the supplies the man left behind.

• 34:23Georgia Hardstark?

  He's like, man.

• 34:24Karen Kilgariff?

  You mean three minutes after he left? He's now able to cut up tortoise meat, crabs and coconuts, and he can cook all of it over a fire. He can finally say she himself, and it's all an absolute godsend for Philip. And he credits the mysterious Englishman for saving his life. So now it's January of seventeen twenty-four. Philip has been stuck on Roatan for nearly eleven months. One day while he's out scavenging, he notices a small boat that's on the shore. At first Philip thinks it could be that Englishman's canoe. As he gets closer, he realizes he's never seen this boat before. It looks more well-designed and it has a small mast and a sail. So somehow the boat has washed up ashore without a captain.

• 35:09Karen Kilgariff?

  So Philip decides to take it for himself and after a few-

• 35:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Just an empty boat?

• 35:13Karen Kilgariff?

  An empty boat. Just shows up.

• 35:15Georgia Hardstark?

  This guy is the lucky, I mean, look, he's not lucky, but keeps getting lucky.

• 35:20Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, there's islands that are out there that are just like all spiders. That literally you can't go to them because they're covered in poisonous spiders.

• 35:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 35:30Karen Kilgariff?

  That's real.

• 35:31Georgia Hardstark?

  And he got the one where just a random, really cool English guy with tons of coke showed up at, and an empty fucking boat.

• 35:38Karen Kilgariff?

  And like coconuts and limes, like everything that you need for a Mai Tai except for rum. Yeah, now there's just some like, oh, a boat got here. He's in the perfect jet stream. After a few practice runs, Philip feels comfortable enough to sail toward nearby islands, hoping to find someone friendly, not a pirate, who can help him get back to Massachusetts. So he packs some food, he takes off on a 20-mile sailing journey to the neighboring island of Guanaha. He doesn't have any maps or anything, he just has to blindly go out into the ocean. As he approaches this new island, he sees a ship in the distance anchored in this island's bay. So he's very excited at the possibility of seeing another person, possibly someone

• 36:23Karen Kilgariff?

  who might be able to help him, but he also knows this area is a hideaway for pirates, so chances are it could be a pirate. Philip will later write, quote, "I could never entertain the thoughts of returning on board a pirate ship. If I should have the opportunity, I would rather live and die as I was." Until he knows who is on that ship, Philip decides to lay low. He anchors his boat on the other side of the island and then spends two days cautiously crossing the island, still barefoot. Tiptoe, sneaky think. One stick snaps, he freezes for two days, keeps going. When he finally makes it back over to the bay to do some spying, the ship is gone. Aw, man.

• 37:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Now he's defeated and exhausted, so Philip slumps down against a tree, and while still sitting up, he falls asleep, very castaway-ish. It's unclear how long he dozes off, but the next thing he remembers is the sound of gunfire, close up. 25 years. Sleeps. When he jumps up, he looks around and sees several small boats approaching the shore. Philip will later say, quote, "I soon turned about and ran as fast as my sore feet would let me into the bushes." So Philip will later learn that these men are Spaniards. They likely think Philip is some sort of political enemy, a pirate, or a laborer in the illegal lumber trade, which is now a booming industry in South America.

• 37:48Karen Kilgariff?

  So Philip is once again running from men who want to capture him. He manages to hide until the Spaniards leave. When Philip walks back down to the beach, he sees bullet holes in the tree where he'd been resting, and they'd only missed him by inches. Damn. So again, lucky unlucky. Yeah. Now Philip has to hike all the way back to his small boat, because he had to be so sneaky. It takes him three days to get there. The mosquitoes and the flies on Guanaha are even worse than they were on Roatan. He's being bitten constantly, and he's now running on very little food and water. He finally gets to hop into his boat and sail back to Roatan, and he gets there after nightfall. So he goes back to the island? He has to go back to where he started. Okay. So irritating. Yeah.

• 38:33Karen Kilgariff?

  More time passes, and when March 1724 comes and goes, he's now been on Roatan for a full year. His mental and physical health are very fragile. He's rail thin, he's covered in insect bites, his clothes are torn to shreds. By June of 1724, Philip's been ruined for 15 months, and he is so weak that he struggles to make his once very routine trips across the island for fruit and water. He now spends much of his time staring out at the ocean. Yikes. Bad time. Usually, doing this is pretty uneventful, until one day, when he sees two small dots in the water. As they move closer to shore, Philip sees it's a pair of men in two small canoes.

• 39:17Karen Kilgariff?

  One of them shouts out in English, "Who's there?" Philip breathes a little sigh of relief. He yells back that he's from the colonies, and he's been stuck on this island for over a year. The men announced that they're British loggers. They explain that Spaniards are clamping down on their operations, which are illegal, and that Spaniards are planning a raid on the logging camp. So these men are now scouting new potential campsites. So after some back and forth, the men establish trust with one another and the duo and the canoes come ashore. According to Philip, when one of the men approaches him, quote, "He started back frightened to see such a poor, ragged, lean, wan, forlorn, wild, miserable object so near to him."

• 40:00Karen Kilgariff?

  So luckily, these men show Philip kindness. They notice that he is unable to walk very well at all. So the British loggers decide to carry him back to their boats. Then they take him to their logging camp on the neighboring island. And along the way, the men excitedly listen to Philip's outrageous story of survival, and they offer him some rum, which, right? He finally has the missing piece, but now the coconuts and the limes are back on the island.

• 40:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Turn around.

• 40:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Damn it. The rum is a bit too strong for Philip, who gets very, very drunk very quickly.

• 40:34Georgia Hardstark?

  That's not an empty stomach starving for 15 months snack.

• 40:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Girl, no. First, you order an awesome blossom, then you get some queso and chips.

• 40:43Georgia Hardstark?

  You know you need a fucking base.

• 40:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Base. Base that shit out.

• 40:47Georgia Hardstark?

  A coating.

• 40:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Please. So he says about himself drinking this rum, quote, "This small quantity, through my long disuse of any liquor higher spirited than water and my present weakness, threw my animal spirits into such a violent agitation."

• 41:03Georgia Hardstark?

  So you got shitfaced.

• 41:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Immediately shitfaced and an asshole drunk.

• 41:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, no.

• 41:08Karen Kilgariff?

  On a canoe.

• 41:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Great.

• 41:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Get out of here. Now at the camp, Philip is finally surrounded by other people, and this group consists of 18 male loggers and a female cook. Ma'am, are you OK?

• 41:24Karen Kilgariff?

  And they all do their best to take care of Philip. He's given new clothes, a much-needed pair of shoes, deer meat and pork, and the time to recover and gain strength. After several weeks, Philip is well enough to help the loggers build a new camp back on Roatan. No. Yes, he's back home where he belongs. Then in August of 1724, a ship called the Diamond stops near this logging camp. The Diamond wasn't supposed to pass through the area, but storms pushed its journey south. So now the ship's crew is in desperate need of fresh water. They got it on Roatan. Turns out this vessel is from Massachusetts. Oh, my God. Just like Philip.

• 42:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Even more bizarrely, the Diamond sets sail just a few miles from Philip's coastal hometown. But the most fateful twist in this wild story is that Philip knows the Diamond's captain. They're acquaintances from back home. Shit. They're like, didn't you work at 7-Eleven? Hey, that's the 7-Eleven I used to go to every morning. Gee, old 7-Eleven. Gee, old. No slurpees, just grog. So that captain, who Philip simply refers to as Captain Dove, immediately and enthusiastically agrees to take Philip home. And with that, his long journey finally ends in May of 1725, when he arrives at Salem Harbor on the Diamond. Wow.

• 42:47Karen Kilgariff?

  This is nearly three full years after he was first taken prisoner by Ned Lowe. Three years. Three full years. Three real shitty years. Yeah. Philip says, quote, "I went the same evening to my father's house, where I was received as one coming to them from the dead." I bet. Knock, knock, knock. Yeah. Can you imagine? Oh, my God. And they're like, what's this beard look? It's no, take off those culottes. They don't look good on you. As Philip readjusts to his old life, he must come to terms with all that's happened to him. He knows very well that he cheated death countless times. I mean, the idea that that ship just got blown off course, it's the only reason they were there, is crazy.

• 43:28Georgia Hardstark?

  All of it.

• 43:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Tragically, Philip learns that his dear childhood friend, Joseph Libby, who saved his life, wasn't so lucky. According to the New England Historical Society, quote, "While Philip lingered a castaway on a Caribbean island, Libby met his death by hanging in Rhode Island with 25 other pirates."

• 43:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. Oh, so because he said yes to being a pirate.

• 43:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 43:51Georgia Hardstark?

  He's a pirate, yeah.

• 43:52Karen Kilgariff?

  It was like to try to stay alive and stay alive in an okay way.

• 43:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 43:56Karen Kilgariff?

  And they don't care.

• 43:57Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 43:58Karen Kilgariff?

  They don't care about that. It's traitor behavior.

• 44:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 44:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Before long, Philip is encouraged to write his story, and his memoir is published in 1725, soon after he returns to Massachusetts. It's very short, and it's very much written in the vernacular of the day, so it is a bit of a dense read. This is Marin's, Marin's like commentary on it.

• 44:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, I tried. Sorry, Karen.

• 44:22Karen Kilgariff?

  She's like, look. But you can find it, if you want to read it, online, under a couple different titles. One is "Stranded in Roatan: The True Account of Escape from Pirates." After this memoir is published, some people wonder if Philip made the whole thing up.

• 44:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Can you imagine going through that and then being like, liar?

• 44:40Karen Kilgariff?

  It's like, sorry, so you said you immediately found coconut?

• 44:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 44:44Karen Kilgariff?

  And one of the reasons people think it's made up is because the book Robinson Crusoe had just come out and was super popular. So people are just like, oh, you just showed up and basically told the same story.

• 44:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 44:55Karen Kilgariff?

  And to make money. But as unbelievable as it all sounds, no one has ever been able to disprove Philip's story, and many parts of it have been corroborated.

• 45:04Georgia Hardstark?

  What about all the other, you know, the other sailors?

• 45:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. I mean, nameless English guy doesn't help anything.

• 45:09Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 45:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Why didn't you insist upon? I thought there would be a reveal later.

• 45:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, like take a photo of his driver's license, so you could be like, this guy.

• 45:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Look, it's Jack the Ripper.

• 45:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God.

• 45:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, that's why.

• 45:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Coincidence island.

• 45:21Karen Kilgariff?

  He didn't want to give his name. We don't know much about Philip past this chapter in his life, but by most accounts, his memoir and his momentary fame don't fundamentally change his life. He goes right back to his work as a fisherman. He gets married. He has some kids and the rest of his life is pretty hazy. We do know that he dies in 1746 in his early 40s. So to this day, Philip Ashton's unlikely survival story is widely accepted to have actually happened, although even Philip himself seems to be in disbelief over everything that he went through, writing in his memoir that, quote, "I cannot take notice of the strange concurrence of divine providence all along, in saving from the rage of the

• 46:03Karen Kilgariff?

  pirates and the malice of the Spaniards, from the beasts of the field and the monsters of the sea, in keeping me alive amidst so many deaths in such a lonely and helpless condition, and in bringing about my deliverance."

• 46:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 46:16Karen Kilgariff?

  And that's the story of castaway Philip Ashton.

• 46:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God, the luckiest man in 1724.

• 46:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 46:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Aside from Ned Lowe, the super pirate. Who just got to kill and cut off lips.

• 46:29Georgia Hardstark?

  What happened to Ned?

• 46:30Karen Kilgariff?

  He's just like.

• 46:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Thinking of the worst possible way to torture someone.

• 46:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Here, cut off your lips, fry him up.

• 46:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 46:38Karen Kilgariff?

  And you eat him.

• 46:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Make fun of my name again.

• 46:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 46:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Make fun of Ned.

• 46:41Karen Kilgariff?

  You don't like the name Ned?

• 46:42Georgia Hardstark?

  That's pussy? Okay.

• 46:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, okay.

• 46:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. Great job. Great solo story.

• 46:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you.

• 46:47Georgia Hardstark?

  That was fun.

• 46:48Karen Kilgariff?

  See, with these solo stories, it was fun.

• 46:50Georgia Hardstark?

  You were right.

• 46:50Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a fun jaunt.

• 46:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Which is what we need sometimes.

• 46:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Adventure, totally.

• 46:55Karen Kilgariff?

  These days.

• 46:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Good job.

• 46:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you.

• 46:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, we did it. You did it. I did it. I didn't do much.

• 47:01Karen Kilgariff?

  You did what you're supposed to do.

• 47:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Show my feet.

• 47:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Get those tootsies up there and make us some money.

• 47:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's get on the OnlyFans.

• 47:14Karen Kilgariff?

  You mean, uh, feetpix.com?

• 47:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 47:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 47:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 47:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Well.

• 47:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Good job.

• 47:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Thanks, everybody.

• 47:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Thanks for listening, you guys.

• 47:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, thanks for being here. Thanks for being so understanding about the fact that we were trying to do many things at one time.

• 47:26Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. And, you know, be women of the world.

• 47:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's right. You love it when we do that.

• 47:31Georgia Hardstark?

  That's your favorite part of this podcast.

• 47:33Karen Kilgariff?

  It really is. Stay sexy.

• 47:34Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 47:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 47:46Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been an Exactly Right production.

• 47:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

• 47:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

• 47:52Georgia Hardstark?

  This episode was mixed by Leona Scolacci.

• 47:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Our researchers are Maren McGlashan and Ally Elkin.

• 47:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Email your hometowns to [email protected].

• 48:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Follow the show on Instagram at MyFavoriteMurder.

• 48:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 48:08Karen Kilgariff?

  And now you can watch us on Exactly Right's YouTube page. While you're there, please like and subscribe.

• 48:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 48:21Karen Kilgariff?

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• 48:26Georgia Hardstark?

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• 48:32Karen Kilgariff?

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• 48:35Georgia Hardstark?

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• 48:40Karen Kilgariff?

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• 48:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye. You know a favorite M-word? Magnesium.

• 48:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray.

• 48:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Made from a proprietary blend of topical minerals, it's designed to relax and prepare you for a night of rest.

• 48:58Karen Kilgariff?

  If you need a reset after your day, make Dr. Teal's magnesium spray part of your nighttime routine.

• 49:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Generously spritz each foot before bed and you'll be all set. I've actually started doing this and I'm obsessed with magnesium. It does everything.

• 49:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Something like this is just like, it's simple, it's easy, and it actually works.

• 49:14Georgia Hardstark?

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• 49:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye. Shopping for your next car can feel overwhelming. There's so many options and you want to make sure you're making the right choice.

• 49:27Georgia Hardstark?

  That's where cars.com comes in.

• 49:29Karen Kilgariff?

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• 49:36Georgia Hardstark?

  You can even see real financing rates and monthly payments to help understand what you can afford.

• 49:41Karen Kilgariff?

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• 49:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Start your search at cars.com.

• 49:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.