Kesha

Singer-songwriter and pop icon Kesha feels c*nty about being Conan O’Brien’s friend. Kesha sits down with Conan to discuss the healing waters of Esalen, ghost hunting on her television series Conjuring Kesha, and finally being able to produce her independent album Period with the rights to her own voice. Later, Matt Gourley deals with the fallout of a major faux pas. For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com. Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: (669) 587-2847.

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• 0:03Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:14Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:39Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:43Speaker 01

  My kids.

• 0:44Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Or Okie.

• 0:45Conan O'Brien?

  You gotta get them your stuff.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Or my dog.

• 0:46Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 1:33Speaker 02

  Hi, my name is Kesha.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  And I feel cunty about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

• 1:43Conan O'Brien?

  That's exactly what Michelle Obama said. She did not.

• 1:49Conan O'Brien?

  That was what Al Pacino said.

• 2:13Conan O'Brien?

  Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. My eternal search for friendship, really meaningful friendship. So far, how many of these shows have we done? 300 and something? And not one person has agreed to be my friend. This is a, this is a journey, it's like Hercules and his labors. I'm just out there trying, but I'll keep trying. I'm joined by my, I hope, friends, my pals.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  We're friends.

• 2:34Conan O'Brien?

  And employees.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 2:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Sona Movsesian?

• 2:38Speaker 01

  You said 300, and I was gonna guess like 3,000.

• 2:41Conan O'Brien?

  No, 350, something like that, right? 350?

• 2:44Speaker 01

  I was way off, okay.

• 2:46Conan O'Brien?

  And Matt Gourley, how are you? I'm good. Haven't seen you guys in a while. We've, we've spent a little time apart, and I did miss you guys. I say that with genuine feeling, which is rare for me.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  That's nice.

• 2:57Conan O'Brien?

  And I'm curious how everyone's doing. Sona, what's, what you been up to?

• 3:00Speaker 01

  I fell down the stairs a couple days ago.

• 3:05Conan O'Brien?

  We're laughing already. Well, you're here, so you weren't killed.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  No, I wasn't killed.

• 3:11Conan O'Brien?

  But where, tell us what happened.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  It was at my new place, and I was coming down the stairs, and I slipped. And so I like slid down the stairs on my, on my butt. So it was like a ton, ton, ton, ton, ton, all the way down. And nobody was around, like Tac was in the shower. And so it was one of those things where you just kind of are like, well, I just fell. Now I have to just get up and continue on with my day.

• 3:37Conan O'Brien?

  Did, did, did you get, did it hurt?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  It hurts so bad.

• 3:41Conan O'Brien?

  On the coccyx, the tailbone?

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yes, on my tailbone, and it still hurts. Like I'm having, like, I'm kind of like moving around a lot on the, on the chair right now because it's like kind of uncomfortable for me. Tac came out of the shower and he was like, what was that?

• 3:59Speaker 01

  It sounded like something really heavy fell.

• 4:02Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, tack.

• 4:05Conan O'Brien?

  Who threw a piano down the stairs? Who threw an Armenian piano down the stairs?

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Ah, come on. But it was just like, you know, when you fall, it's like, it could be funny if someone else is around or if other people-

• 4:18Conan O'Brien?

  You're chilling right now.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  If other people like come and check on you, then it's like, oh, okay, she fell. It's weird, you know, but she's okay.

• 4:25Conan O'Brien?

  They make it kind of normal.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Yes, but when you're by yourself and you're just, you're at the end of your fall and you're just kind of in a weird position and you're like, I just have to get up and just keep going.

• 4:38Conan O'Brien?

  Right. That's life.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  I know, but-

• 4:41Conan O'Brien?

  That's all of life.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  And it's ironic because people falling is one of my favorite things.

• 4:46Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, my God, you have shown me over the years as my assistant, long before this podcast, you would say you've, I would hear explosive laughter. I'd be trying to get a show together. I'd hear explosive laughter. I'd go out and you would be watching a bride come out at her happiest moment and then fall into a big bowl of dog shit.

• 5:09Conan O'Brien?

  And you would be crying. I would too. And then, and you know what it is? It's best, it's best when it happens when someone's preening. You know, if, there is, there is a difference. If a person just falls, it's not as funny as someone who's dressed up for their big moment and grinning and saying, everybody look at me. And then they trip. Do you know what I mean? And it's-

• 5:36Speaker 01

  There was a video I bookmarked and would watch over and over again. It was these two men dressed as mascots, so in big costumes, and they were on ice and they were doing a, a commercial for, I think, cars or a car dealership.

• 5:53Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 5:56Conan O'Brien?

  We're gonna have to throw to this. We're gonna find this and throw to it.

• 6:01Conan O'Brien?

  Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on, okay. Real quick, listeners, go to the YouTube channel or Instagram at @couldcoco podcast.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Mascots could not stay standing and-

• 6:14Conan O'Brien?

  This is, this is, I'm so glad I brought this up. Oh my god. Oh my god.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  You gotta find it.

• 6:25Conan O'Brien?

  Throw to the tape. Go to the tape.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  He's like, you know, then he's like walking around and then he just.

• 6:32Conan O'Brien?

  Goes down hard. Oh my, you've been defeated.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Oh my god, you're in vapor lock.

• 6:39Conan O'Brien?

  You're defeated.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  I'm actually crying. I can't speak.

• 6:42Conan O'Brien?

  Two minutes.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  I think about it. I think like on a regular, I think about it more than I think about my kids sometimes. Does this video of this guy, this, he's like, did you find, please tell me you've found it, of these people on a mascot?

• 6:55Speaker 03

  This is it.

• 6:56Conan O'Brien?

  Yes. This, this is it. I've seen it.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I'm crying.

• 6:59Conan O'Brien?

  Put it up.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Put it up.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  I'm gonna cry for it.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  You know what does that for me? Have you ever seen the drunk Ewok on the Today Show at Halloween? That humps their legs and does Michael Jackson dancing? Oh my god, it's incredible. It's incredible. It's like a Halloween disco.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 7:19Conan O'Brien?

  Here we go.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Is this it?

• 7:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the bloopers.

• 7:40Conan O'Brien?

  Don't make him keep doing it!

• 7:44Conan O'Brien?

  He's about to get.

• 7:47Conan O'Brien?

  Help him! Help him!

• 8:10Speaker 03

  Are they playing yakety sax?

• 8:12Conan O'Brien?

  What?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Oh my god!

• 8:14Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, whatever that car is, I'm buying it.

• 8:20Conan O'Brien?

  Why? Why do they keep ma-

• 8:23Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 8:23Conan O'Brien?

  Look at her, look at her, she's a puddle.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  That lived up, Sona. I wasn't thinking that was gonna live up to your reaction.

• 8:29Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, but look at her, she's gonna die. You're not getting enough air.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Like, yeah, yeah, sometimes I get really scared I'm not breathing enough when I laugh.

• 8:37Conan O'Brien?

  All right, we gotta do this.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  But that video does it all, every single time.

• 8:40Conan O'Brien?

  We gotta do this. My guest today is a singer-songwriter whose first independently-produced album, period, is out now. Very happy she's here today. She's an old friend from back in the day.

• 8:56Conan O'Brien?

  Kesha, welcome.

• 9:01Conan O'Brien?

  I know it's a podcast, it's an audio medium, but you look, as always, fantastic. And we do have cameras rolling. Anyone, you gotta go online, you gotta check out, right? What, how Kesha's dressed. You look fantastic.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Thank you. Which camera do I like?

• 9:16Conan O'Brien?

  Stand and look. I mean, we have all these cameras here. You look incredible, as you always do. You're wearing Conan merchandise, and this is-

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 9:25Conan O'Brien?

  Oh my lord! And this is what you will look like if you buy Conan merchandise.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 9:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 9:32Conan O'Brien?

  Kesha was a 77-year-old man before she put that shirt on. And became, um, I am so glad you're here. You look gorgeous.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 9:41Conan O'Brien?

  You look fantastic. You are all things Kesha. And I wanna start by reminiscing.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 9:49Conan O'Brien?

  You came on my show in 2010, I believe, when you were blowing up with TikTok, and you kept coming back on my show.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  I wouldn't leave.

• 10:01Conan O'Brien?

  You would not leave, but you were such a loyal person. You always came back to the show. You were always great. We had great interviews. Uh, we had great moments. You would perform. You were just a trooper and so nice to me, and I wanted to first thank you for that.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  Oh, well, thank you, bud.

• 10:19Conan O'Brien?

  You're, you were great. And then I wanted to reminisce about, we're not getting into specifics today, about the various shit that you have gone through. Um, we're gonna stay clear of all that for all legal reasons and blah, blah, blah. But I was walking along in Venice a bunch of years ago when you were in the midst of some real dark times and we bump into each other and I gave you a hug. We, I hugged you because I just knew that you were going through this bad time and we had this like nice moment of me asking you, how you doing, you talking to me. It was this nice human moment. Of course, you're Kesha, so there's paparazzi.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:58Conan O'Brien?

  I had never seen paparazzi before. They are not interested in Conan O'Brien, so I was like, hey, so that's paparazzi.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  They avoid you.

• 11:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  They do not.

• 11:07Conan O'Brien?

  No, no.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  They follow you.

• 11:08Conan O'Brien?

  No, a photo of Conan O'Brien is, uh, is worth less. Even in the digital era, you lose money on a photo of Conan O'Brien. But they got this photo, uh, and, and so I thought, and it circulated, and I thought, got a first call to wife about hugging Kesha on the street. To confess? To confess. Yes. That yes, Kesha and I have been seeing each other secretly. Um, but on a personal level, I'm very happy for you that you have gone through a really bad experience and come out the other side seemingly stronger than ever.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 11:43Conan O'Brien?

  And looking beautiful and making great music. And so just, I just wanted to start with that, like this just big dose of positivity.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 11:51Conan O'Brien?

  And as my old friend, I'm proud of you for hanging in there.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, this means so much coming from you. You're iconic and the reason I kept showing up is not because you're iconic, but because you're such a good man. Like, you're so kind and you can just tell in Hollywood, there's everybody.

• 12:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  And then there's like the especially bad ones, but then there's like sprinkled with especially good ones. And I just could always tell from the very beginning, I was like, he is an especially, like you're a magical like light worker. Like, you're just amazing. So that's why I do this and that's why I show up with.

• 12:28Conan O'Brien?

  I know.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  Guitars in your face on my outfit.

• 12:32Conan O'Brien?

  You look at you, look what you brought. You bring, you, you bring me this gorgeous Fender Strat, which is, I love a Fender Strat. I, look at this. Yes, I know, we're now a game show.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  You're like a Price is Right model.

• 12:45Conan O'Brien?

  And I've never seen that color with a black pickguard and it is absolute, how's the action on that, baby? The action is satisfaction. Okay.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Oh, you shouldn't have asked him.

• 12:54Conan O'Brien?

  I know, I regret.

• 12:57Conan O'Brien?

  That was so nice of you. You're just a lovely person.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  But literally, it's because you're such an amazing person.

• 13:04Conan O'Brien?

  Oh.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Like that-

• 13:05Conan O'Brien?

  We gotta take this on the road. I think I should be part of your- I think I should be part of your live show.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Let's go, I'm going on tour, baby, let's go.

• 13:11Conan O'Brien?

  I know, and it's called the Tits-Out Tour?

• 13:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'll have to get your tits out, though.

• 13:14Conan O'Brien?

  Listen, when I let these-

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Try keeping them in.

• 13:16Conan O'Brien?

  When I let these babies out, you were gonna see audience attendance plunge when these two Irish cutlets come out.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Bring 'em out, baby.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Looks like two-

• 13:31Conan O'Brien?

  Two little dollops of Spam.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  That is both too poetic and too on the nose or something. Oh my god, Irish cutlets.

• 13:41Conan O'Brien?

  They gotta come out, they've never seen sunlight, and it is time.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  Let's go, come to MSG. I'm headlining Madison Square Garden for the first time in my entire career.

• 13:49Conan O'Brien?

  Wait, how could that be the first time?

• 13:51Speaker 02

  I've played there many times, it's the first time I'm headlining. So like, having gone through the shit I've gone through, not fun, don't need to talk about it, but I will say, I am proud of me, too.

• 14:02Conan O'Brien?

  You should be.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  I am proud of me.

• 14:03Conan O'Brien?

  And I'll say something, um, I wanna go back and take people, just, this is not news to you, but your story, you've been working at this for a very long time. I like to highlight those parts of the story because there are a lot of people that can think, attractive woman, hits it big, it can just happen. They don't understand the years and years of the songwriting you were doing since you were a kid.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:30Conan O'Brien?

  Um, your mom-

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:31Conan O'Brien?

  A songwriter-

• 14:32Speaker 02

  Totally, yeah.

• 14:33Conan O'Brien?

  Wrote for Dolly Parton-

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 14:35Conan O'Brien?

  Wrote for a bunch of people.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Johnny Cash, Earl Haggard.

• 14:38Conan O'Brien?

  But you guys had hard times, uh, food stamps, not a lot of money, struggle. And from an early age, you were writing songs and working on becoming yourself.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I kind of like, got the assignment when I was little, like, my mom was like, "You're gonna be a pop star," and I was like, "I am?" She's like, "Yeah," and I was like, "All right." And so then I was gonna go to Columbia. I didn't know that you went to Harvard.

• 15:02Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  That's, you're a smarty, a little genius.

• 15:06Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, lots of evil, trust me, lots of evil dumb people go there, too.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  I believe you.

• 15:11Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Every college encompasses all kinds of people, so yeah, there are war criminals there right now that are training to be war criminals. But, that aside, and don't worry, I'll make a donation.

• 15:25Conan O'Brien?

  You were working on, your mom told you you're gonna be a pop star and you took the assignment seriously.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Well, I'm also secretly, people don't know this about me because I, you know, have my butt hanging out and I brush my teeth with a bottle of Jack. These kind of things. So people think I'm like doopy, but actually I was really smart.

• 15:45Conan O'Brien?

  You're doopy like a fox.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  I'm doopy like a fox. No, I got like almost perfect SAT scores. My IQ, I forget what it was, but it was impressive.

• 15:54Conan O'Brien?

  Before all the Jack Daniels.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Before all the Jack Daniels got to me. And I was gonna go to Columbia and study comparative religion and psychology. And then instead I signed a record deal.

• 16:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  So what was my point?

• 16:09Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I think the point is, and it does not surprise me, you're saying, oh, it might surprise some people that you're smart.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:16Conan O'Brien?

  There's all kinds of ways of being smart and it does not surprise me at all that you're really smart. And, and, and watching, first of all, the tenacity that you took to your career. I think for your first album, if I'm correct, you wrote like 200 songs.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  Oh, every album I write like 200 songs. I write many songs. This week I've probably written like nine songs. It's insane. Most of them are bad and some of, that's like how some of the hits come out is because I'm like, okay, yesterday I wrote a good song. Today I'm gonna write one or two songs, so let me just write like the worst song. And then all of a sudden, the worst one I can write ends up being the fan favorite.

• 16:58Conan O'Brien?

  Well, that does not surprise me. There's an old saying that every person who comes out with the great American novel, great, has 15 terrible novels in their desk.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:09Conan O'Brien?

  And the problem is, once they write the hit novel, then the publishers quickly want another one. So they go, oh, I got them. And it's like, yeah, there's a reason those didn't go. Um, yeah, you, you have to write, I mean, Lennon and McCartney wrote hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of songs before they get to writing the good stuff. And I think a lot of art is good editing. It's what you take out. Now, this podcast, we don't seem to take much out.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  It would be 10 seconds long.

• 17:37Conan O'Brien?

  And you just can't. Make any money that way. Yeah, this isn't art, so we know that.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  That's not true. Humor, to me, is the most impressive kind of art. I'm gonna challenge you on that.

• 17:46Conan O'Brien?

  I think in moments, I think in moments, we hit these really nice high notes. And then there's a lot of Matt going blah, blah, blah. And Sona going blah, blah, blah.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Why do I sound like that?

• 17:58Conan O'Brien?

  You have a beautiful high register.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 18:02Conan O'Brien?

  It's funny, because you describe yourself as a kid, as a seeker. And that you tried out different churches. You were, you were looking for something.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Well, so, since I was little, okay, let me back this up.

• 18:14Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  It's my last lifetime. And I always knew that, but then I recently was at the Naked Hippie Commune. And the medicine woman was like, you know it's your last lifetime. I was like, I know, right? She's like, it definitely is. So, ever, because I'm Pisces.

• 18:28Conan O'Brien?

  And Pisces means you've had other, you're saying you've had other lifetimes. How many do you think you've had?

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Oh, too many.

• 18:34Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. And this is the last one.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  This is it, baby. This is the finale. That's why I got it all popping off like crazy.

• 18:41Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  So it's the last one, because I was like, give me all you got. And God was like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, bitch. And then I'm like.

• 18:48Conan O'Brien?

  You know, when I call God bitch, he tends to throw thunderbolts down at me. Or she.

• 18:55Conan O'Brien?

  Or they. I'm just gonna cover every base here. But what I'm saying is, I don't like the way you talk to God. I think that's disrespectful.

• 19:04Conan O'Brien?

  That's my only problem. So you, so this is your last lifetime. I would be okay with this being my last lifetime, because I've loved this lifetime. And if this is it, I am not greedy for more. I don't think it's gonna get better.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  When's your birthday?

• 19:18Conan O'Brien?

  April 18th.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Oh, you're at the beginning, honey.

• 19:21Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, no, I can't do more.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  This is like your first one. You have like 3,000 minimum left.

• 19:26Conan O'Brien?

  I'm more worried for the world than that.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 19:31Conan O'Brien?

  Well, it's gonna, it's gonna be end times. It's all post-apocalyptic, me babbling as a new person.

• 19:38Conan O'Brien?

  So you were going to, you were, you know, this is your last.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Oh, so it's my last.

• 19:41Conan O'Brien?

  Who told you this? A shaman told you this?

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Well, this medicine woman. So I go to this place called Esalen and it's like, you can be naked. And you started as an alternative to an insane asylum, but it's in the redwood forest. And you go and you soak in like these lithium-filled baths and you're naked and it's beautiful. And there's butterflies. We love it. So I go there and then I met this medicine woman and she's like, "Oh, my God." And I was like, "I know." And she's like, "I'm like, I know." And she's like, "It's your last lifetime, you know?" I'm like, "Yes." And so we've been doing all this work, trying to get me like spiritually focused.

• 20:15Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  And ready to just like spread as much love in the most adorable package.

• 20:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  As much as I can till the day I die.

• 20:25Conan O'Brien?

  Let me ask you a question. Would I do OK at Esalen? Be honest.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  You would love it.

• 20:30Conan O'Brien?

  Do you, but?

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Have you ever been? Do you know about it?

• 20:32Conan O'Brien?

  I've never been naked. So.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Well, come to the tour and get your.

• 20:36Conan O'Brien?

  So, so, so, no, but what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I don't know. Be honest. Pick, try and be, and be, we're friends. Be honest. How would I do at Esalen?

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Well, how do you feel about spiders?

• 20:50Conan O'Brien?

  I'm OK with spiders.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  OK, how do you feel about like nakedness?

• 20:54Conan O'Brien?

  I like other people being naked.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  OK, how?

• 20:56Conan O'Brien?

  Totally down with it.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  How do you feel about hippies?

• 20:59Conan O'Brien?

  Hippies, I'm cool with hippies.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  You'd be, you'd be great.

• 21:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. You can go and like take different, I teach songwriting there.

• 21:06Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, wow.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:07Conan O'Brien?

  OK. I'm down with all of it. I'm down with everyone else being naked. Me maybe in a three-piece suit.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  That's great. You can do whatever makes anybody comfy.

• 21:16Conan O'Brien?

  Like, uh, assless chap.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Wait, but you're watching everybody who's naked and you're fully clothed?

• 21:21Conan O'Brien?

  And sketching them.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Sounding, sounding kind of weird. I've done that there.

• 21:26Conan O'Brien?

  I'm catching them in and I found a little window I can peer out of.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 21:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, peering through a little window and I brought the little window. I set it up between two trees. And you were never invited there. And I was not invited there and I escorted out and I run away every time.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  Geez, you were invited, now you're not invited.

• 21:41Conan O'Brien?

  I'm not invited, you just disinvited me.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  No, you would love it. We should go, honestly, if you ever want to go for a weekend. It's my favorite place in the world.

• 21:48Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  And what was my point of all of this?

• 21:51Conan O'Brien?

  You don't need a point, that's the thing, is it's.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Is that how podcasts work? You don't need a point?

• 21:55Conan O'Brien?

  That's how this one works.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  So I just don't have to have a point?

• 21:58Conan O'Brien?

  You have no responsibility.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 22:00Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna give you your point.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 22:02Conan O'Brien?

  And this is the ultimate form of mansplaining. I'll tell you, Kesha, what you meant.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Tell me my point.

• 22:08Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I was asked, bringing up the fact that as a kid, you were a seeker, you went to like, you used to drive around to different churches or have your mom drive around to explore. And it sounds like this has been a theme in your life, you're going to Esalen, you're just, you're out there to try and find out whatever you can find out, you're curious. Which takes a certain amount of bravery, I would say.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Oh my god, it's, it's very psychedelic out here. You guys don't think, it's so surreal. I have the trippiest experiences and I'm like, fine line between like, spiritual and just insane, but like, I love riding that line. And I've just had so many interesting, like serendipitous experiences, like where, my cat, I had a spiritual awakening and I like saw the universe and my cat brought me headphones and a guy.

• 22:54Conan O'Brien?

  Was that real, the part where your cat brings you headphones?

• 22:56Speaker 02

  I swear to god, Mr. Peeps.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  I swear to god.

• 23:00Conan O'Brien?

  What brand headphones? We can turn this into a plug. And then Mr. Peeps can make some money.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Come on, Peter, let's go.

• 23:06Conan O'Brien?

  What do we use in here? You sure headphones.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  It was this giant sure headphones, my cat brought me those.

• 23:13Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, cat approved. Ask Mr. Peeps.

• 23:16Speaker 04

  They're really good.

• 23:20Conan O'Brien?

  Mr. Peeps just made forty thousand dollars.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  He does that.

• 23:31Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I want to try something different.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  What?

• 23:33Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things. So I'm going to try and make apple cider.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 23:37Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 23:38Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, fall's the perfect season to try something new, like joining T-Mobile.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Oh, that's good.

• 23:45Conan O'Brien?

  See what I did?

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:46Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, there are 250 reasons to join T-Mobile right now. You want to hear what they are?

• 23:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:50Conan O'Brien?

  They're America's best network.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 23:52Conan O'Brien?

  True story. Plus, T-Mobile has got off-grid satellite coverage. That comes in really handy. I like to just wander in the woods sometimes.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Oh, that's weird.

• 24:00Conan O'Brien?

  When I'm thinking about, like, making apple cider.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 24:02Conan O'Brien?

  And that's when it comes in handy. Here's another reason. High-speed data in over 215 countries and destinations. I travel a lot for the

• 24:09Speaker 01

  You travel a lot.

• 24:10Conan O'Brien?

  travel show that I do.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:11Conan O'Brien?

  Stream this podcast while ignoring local landmarks. That's always fun to do. Like, oh, look, there's the Mona Lisa. Yeah, check it out. I'm in the Louvre. I should, but I'm listening to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  That doesn't seem like a good idea.

• 24:23Conan O'Brien?

  It's a great idea.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 24:25Conan O'Brien?

  You know, you can see art anytime. But how often can you listen to this podcast?

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 24:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  What?

• 24:32Conan O'Brien?

  No, all these reasons make T-Mobile a great choice.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 24:35Conan O'Brien?

  T-Mobile is stacking up reasons to join. Go to T-Mobile.com and find yours best, based on analysis by Ookla of speed test intelligence data first half of 2026. Can't believe I read that. T-Satellite with capable devices in most outdoor areas in the US, where you can see the sky. High-speed international data with qualifying plan. Visit T-Mobile.com. Consult a physician. I just threw that in there.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 25:03Conan O'Brien?

  Coca-Cola Zero Sugar is so good, it's almost impossible not to finish it before the meal arrives. It's just too good to wait. That happens to me sometimes.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  Me, too.

• 25:12Conan O'Brien?

  You can try rules, like no sipping until the appetizer arrives, or you tell your friend, "Don't let me touch my glass." But every time, you're staring at an empty glass. So if you've ever finished your Coke Zero before the first fry hits the table, you're among friends.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Mm.

• 25:25Conan O'Brien?

  It happens.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:27Conan O'Brien?

  Occupational hazard with Coke Zero.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:30Conan O'Brien?

  Real Coca-Cola taste, zero sugar, too good to wait. Enjoy an ice-cold Coca-Cola Zero Sugar today.

• 25:37Speaker 05

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• 26:12Speaker 02

  So anyways, so like weird psychedelic things have been happening my whole life. So I started, because in school, I was like, I don't, I don't know if I belong with these people. Because I'm in like, outside of Nashville. People are throwing around the N-word. I'm like, I think I'm gay. And then I was like, well, actually, I just don't like anybody. And so then I met punk rockers. And I was like, wait, I fuck with punk rockers. Because they're like, don't give a fuck, but they stand in their integrity, but like in a very offensive way.

• 26:44Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  It's kind of fun.

• 26:46Conan O'Brien?

  In your face.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:48Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, that's the essence of punk rock, is lean into it, in your face, this is happening.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like, at the, at the heart of it, there's a lot of integrity.

• 26:55Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  There's just mixed with rage. And like, I don't give a fuck how this reads to you. But like, it is what it is. And I loved that, like Iggy Pop was a guiding light for me. So I'm in like, middle school. I'm like, Mom, will you drive me from one super church to the other one? And my first kiss outside of a super church. And I was like, I have always been fascinated with what makes people do what they're doing, like survive, like what do you believe in? What are we doing? What are we doing here? And who are you going to listen to about how to do it? And like, why?

• 27:29Speaker 02

  So that was always my fascination, even with becoming a pop star. Like, I always thought Mick Jagger was very similar to like the preachers I would see at the church.

• 27:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Like, there's a similarity there.

• 27:41Conan O'Brien?

  He's a good frontman.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:43Conan O'Brien?

  A good frontman is serving the same purpose as a preacher.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:48Conan O'Brien?

  It's this tireless energy and then they have to project hardcore belief in what they're doing.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 27:53Conan O'Brien?

  It's easier to be Bill Wyman, the bass player in The Stones, formerly bass player. But like, you can kind of hang back and have a bad day, but if you're Mick Jagger, you can never have a bad day.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  You can't doubt, you can't have a doubt in your damn body about what you're doing. And like, that faith, I'm like, shit, I want that faith in something, that's wild. So I always was like, really fascinated to that energy and like.

• 28:16Conan O'Brien?

  Did you know you could get up on a stage, or that you belonged up on a stage even as a kid?

• 28:22Speaker 02

  No, I was like the person that everyone's like, you're too weird to even like sit near. Like, you're just so weird. And so, no, I didn't want to be on the stage. I was like, I'm just gonna go make out with some dude. That has been my motto my whole life. Fuck you guys, I'm gonna go make out with some hot dude.

• 28:42Conan O'Brien?

  This was your religion, in a way.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Honestly, deadass.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. I dabbled in that a little bit too.

• 28:50Conan O'Brien?

  That's right. Sona worked with me for quite a while. During the period of time when you were coming on the show and everything, Sona was making out with some dude up in my office.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Good job.

• 28:59Conan O'Brien?

  She was supposed to be filing. Who's done the filing lately?

• 29:03Speaker 01

  This is my, it was my religion.

• 29:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it was your religion.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  So.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  I love that. I just saw there's a song in there. Go on.

• 29:10Conan O'Brien?

  You gotta cut her in.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  No, it's fine.

• 29:13Conan O'Brien?

  You know, it's interesting to me that, and I didn't realize that you were doing backup vocals for a while before you hit it on your own. That's a very interesting role, I would think, and very educational.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 29:24Conan O'Brien?

  Because you're around Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, and you're watching them do it. And you're doing this, providing this very technical assistance to them as the, you know, and helping them out. But you're also, you're kind of watching from the side, but seeing how it's done.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Totally, and like, absorbing it all. Like, I've worked with all different kinds of people in the business, but one of the greats is Rick Rubin.

• 29:46Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  And like, just seeing how he's done it alongside of how someone like Ariana does it alongside of, I wrote a song for Britney. Like, just kind of like taking these notes. And that's why I teach songwriting is because I'm like, I've been around some of the most incredible, like, artists of our generation, not let alone myself, right?

• 30:09Conan O'Brien?

  Exactly.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Very cutting to you.

• 30:15Conan O'Brien?

  This is only going to be the podcast that's used that word the third most. That's right. Right? There've been two others that are still ahead of you. You have to figure it out.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  I like watching, I like watching people in flow. That's why you wanted to know why I brought you a guitar, is because I love watching people in flow. I love seeing people in their creative. And like, anything can be creative, right? Like, the way I got dressed today, I, it's creative.

• 30:38Conan O'Brien?

  Yes. You took a Conan t-shirt and you took it so to the next level.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  That's what I do.

• 30:46Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I've never been attracted to myself.

• 30:50Conan O'Brien?

  But now I am.

• 30:53Conan O'Brien?

  Wait a minute, that's not true.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Promoting self-love in here, Tim, we love that. You're not attracted to Kesha, you're attracted to yourself?

• 31:01Conan O'Brien?

  Kesha is making the t-shirt with me on it attractive. Yeah, I'm suddenly attracted to you as well.

• 31:08Conan O'Brien?

  So, let's talk about this because you, you put in the time, you work, you work, you work. Then, I meet you when TikTok hits, and it's a phenomenon. And you have described the feeling that so many people wish and pray for this day. And when it happens, though, it's kind of mind-altering because you had been playing in front of, oh, I just played a show and there were a couple hundred people there. And then overnight.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Dude, it was not a couple-

• 31:35Conan O'Brien?

  Don't you call me dude.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  I almost called you-

• 31:37Conan O'Brien?

  I'm an admiral in the Navy. You call me Admiral O'Brien.

• 31:43Conan O'Brien?

  I'm an admiral in the Kesha Navy.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  I stopped myself from saying bitch. No, okay.

• 31:49Conan O'Brien?

  No, bitch is okay.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 31:50Conan O'Brien?

  This admiral's okay with bitch.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  But not to God, okay. So, the shows I was playing before that were like 10 people and the one guy at the bar was asleep. So, does he count? I don't know. And then I played Lollapalooza and I will look out and I was like- Uh, they must be here for the person after me.

• 32:07Conan O'Brien?

  Right. Who's standing behind me that they wanna see?

• 32:09Speaker 02

  And I was like, what? And then they knew the song and I was like, what the fuck is going on here? And then that night, it was like hanging out with the Black Keys and they came to the show and I'm like, whoa, what the hell? It happened so fast, so fast. And my mind like was like, what? It was very weird.

• 32:26Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I remember you came on for TikTok and then you kept coming back uh, uh, with other performances. And what I always remember is how you're so quick and funny and your whole spirit was, let's see where this goes, which was great, which was really nice. And you had this sense of humor about, uh, I'm trying to say this the right way, like you would use your sexuality in this way that was really fun.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Silly and fun.

• 32:54Conan O'Brien?

  Silly and fun and things firing out of your.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Chicha?

• 33:01Conan O'Brien?

  I'm sorry. I didn't realize we were in Nicaragua.

• 33:07Conan O'Brien?

  Please, someone translate for me. Two cunties and a chicha. We've got them.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Oh, I love keeping track.

• 33:14Conan O'Brien?

  And one chicha. I'm not familiar with the chicha. Or the vagina for that matter.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Both were writing it down.

• 33:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I'm just trying to get my terms right. You know, when Kesha comes on, it comes with a term sheet? Yeah. It does. There's a glossary. Uh, there's cunties and chichas. Can we get a telestrator in here as well? But no, like literally, and things were firing out of your nipples and it was. There was? Oh, wait a minute. That's a dream I had.

• 33:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, you had, you would, you would, there was a burlesque fun attitude about it all.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:50Conan O'Brien?

  Which uh, was, had an almost cartoonish element to it and it was, uh, it was fun. It was for lack, I mean, that's the, that's the word. It was fun and.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  It's fun.

• 33:59Conan O'Brien?

  Experimental and artistic and silly and absurd and the whole thing mashed together.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Totally. Cause I like, I grew up not knowing, I didn't have my God to pray to. Like even in anywhere, I was like, and I, and I've started to realize like, it's kinda cool that I do feel like a true original. In ways I wished I had someone to be like, I wanna be just like that person, but there's like nobody to really point to. Like there are a lot of amazing people I wanna be like in ways, but there's not just like one person.

• 34:32Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I have this theory that I've had for a while, which is we all grow up looking at people and thinking, I really like what they're doing, I really like what they're doing, I really like what they're doing. And it's your failure to be the person. And I use the word failure, it's not really a failure, but it's your attempt to be the person and your inability to be them that makes you original.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Totally. I like, I have many thoughts about this. So I think authenticity is the highest vibration you can vibrate at, like true authenticity, not trying to be somebody like, really just your authentic weird self with your family dynamic passed down in your body and your DNA and where you come from and everything you've seen and done. Like your authenticity, you're the only one. Like everyone is a true original. And so I've like started playing a fun game with myself, like how authentic can I be? And it freaks people out. It kind of freaks me out sometimes, but then I'm like, well, it's authentic. This is the game we're playing. It's your last lifetime. So that's A. Wait, there was a really good point. Hold on.

• 35:32Conan O'Brien?

  Let me tell you what it was.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  What was it?

• 35:36Conan O'Brien?

  B, tariffs don't work.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Okay, I remember now.

• 35:42Conan O'Brien?

  Sorry.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:43Conan O'Brien?

  I made a guess and I was, I was wrong.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Not, was not. Okay. Height of the pop stardom, like bejazzled bodysuits, not eating, like trying to be, trying to be this thing that I'm not.

• 35:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  And I just like hit a wall where I'm like doing the dancing and I'm like, this is not me. Everybody wants me to be this and I'm trying to please them because I like people to be happy. I want people to be happy. Timber, biggest song in the world. Took off the bejazzled bodysuit, stopped the arena tour, started a punk band called Yeast Infection, played dive bars, much to the dismay of everybody around me.

• 36:25Conan O'Brien?

  Of the machine.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Oh my God, they were not happy. But like, that's one of my proudest moments because like I did grow up on food stamps. I'm not scared of what it means to not have money. Like fuck that. I'm going to stand in my integrity of who I am and in my authenticity. And I'm not going to stand for like, I'd become the thing that I like hated. Like I don't want little girls looking up to someone who's not eating and me pretending like I'm eating, but I'm not like, no, I'm not going to do this. It's not who I am. It's not what I stand for. Fuck that. And that was like when everything changed where I was like. I tried it your way, you guys, and it's bullshit. And now I'm doing it my way. And like, take whatever you want, because my fucking genius is in my mind.

• 37:07Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  So you can never have it. You can own my voice, you can do the thing, blah, blah, blah.

• 37:11Conan O'Brien?

  Well, let's talk about that, because the album you're coming out with now is the first time that you've owned the rights to your voice, is that right?

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the first time I've had the legal rights to my recorded voice since I was 18 years old.

• 37:25Conan O'Brien?

  Jesus.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. And after a 10-year litigation, three stands. But like, it was kind of a-

• 37:35Conan O'Brien?

  And this is period, this is the-

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:37Conan O'Brien?

  And it is, it's a strange thing to think about, and I can kind of relate, not on the same scale, but I can kind of relate, when you're young and super hungry, you just want in.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Well, you're just happy to be there.

• 37:50Conan O'Brien?

  You're happy to be there, and so, and this is the, one of the oldest stories in show business, is pop stars, when they're 17, 18, signing everything away because someone's saying, "We'll, we have the microphone, the microphone's in that room, if you want to sing into it, sign this piece of paper and you'll do it."

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and you also, like, your brain's not fully developed, I grew up without a father, you know, came from very humble beginnings, and so like, also didn't really understand "In perpetuity in the universe."

• 38:22Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Like, that's what I signed. And in my mind, I'm like, "I'm a punk rocker, like, he's gonna take, they're gonna take a bunch of money, that's fine." Like, I don't care about money, but actually, what I didn't realize is like, "In perpetuity in the universe of my voice," like, that's a-

• 38:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  It's a big thing you're signing.

• 38:38Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  And then, I just like, I like, reached max capacity, biggest song in the world moment, and then it was like, "Blah, no."

• 38:48Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  And so that's when I saw you in the street. So I needed that hug, so thank you.

• 38:52Conan O'Brien?

  I was wandering around, hoping I could hug Kesha. And I manifested you.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 38:58Conan O'Brien?

  And I was like, "I gotta get her fast, because it's her last life." You could do that?

• 39:02Speaker 02

  It is.

• 39:02Conan O'Brien?

  And I, and I knew that I had 10,000 lives still to go. But I knew I couldn't get you the next time around. Oh, right. Because you're not gonna be around the next time. It's gonna be some other, "I don't want to hug that creep." Um, this period of time that you went through this crazy litigation and all that stuff that everyone's read about and, and I don't think people that have been through legal things on that scale can understand how it consumes your whole life, you know? And like it takes over your whole life and when it has to do with your creativity and what you do to keep yourself sane, that's doubly, it's not like, oh, you're being sued

• 39:43Conan O'Brien?

  over a parking lot that you own in Encino and you may not get to see it for a while or you may lose part of it. It's your essence of who you are.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Well, it's the thing that you, yeah, it's, it's weird. It's like your soul is, is like on paper owned by someone else, but you're like, but it's in my body and I have rights to my body, but all of this is infiltrated, every ounce of my body and my brain. And it just is really toxic and it's really unfortunate because, you know, people use that as like a tool to torture and it works. Like it was really, really hard. And I just remember getting more and more scared and paranoid because like the fuckery, but then also like how long it went on and that was by design.

• 40:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  And, you know, I remember being told that by the time I got out of this situation, I would be old and I would be broke and I would be irrelevant. So every single time that I do anything that connects, it hits like on a level people will never understand.

• 40:50Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  And so like, it's like.

• 40:52Conan O'Brien?

  It's a great, it's a sweet revenge.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Oh, it's also just like, it's not true. Like, I'm not old, god damn it. And I'm, well, the legal bills, but I'm not irrelevant. And so that it's like, it's nice to have people that believe in you and like. So I appreciate you and I always have from the beginning, like our relationship from the beginning.

• 41:12Conan O'Brien?

  It's so funny that you, because I feel like we're in in tune in some crazy way. Because you bring this guitar and you talk about flow state. That is the way I chill is before you showed up, I was upstairs with an Epiphone Casino strapped on. Just doing scales and noodling and doing little riffs because that in my office, because that's how. I kind of turn off the noise is I've found that if my hands are busy, the noise goes away. And if I'm doing scales or if I'm doing, it's just everything calms down a little bit.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Yes, this is what The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills does to me.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  I'm dead ass right now. I don't know why, but it scratches that part of my brain.

• 41:58Conan O'Brien?

  But you know, I completely relate to that. And I've said this before, for my wife, it is Below Deck. She likes her some Below Deck and there are times where she's so smart and she's so, you know, hyper literate and hyper competent. And then there are times where I'll just find her in a room. And she's like got cheeto dust on her face and she's just watched like 15 Down Under Below Deck's in a row.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  And you're like, are you okay?

• 42:28Conan O'Brien?

  Are you all right? And she's like, who are you? Look, I'm your husband of 23 years.

• 42:34Conan O'Brien?

  You've never seen me naked, but I really am. And so, I mean, but that is, I understand that. I understand that.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  We all need, well, I think because creativity has become like, it became my job. And then it became like, I have to fight for this, like so fucking hard. I need like 30 minutes one time a week to watch some ladies yell about their Birkins, okay?

• 43:04Conan O'Brien?

  The Birkin, such an innocent shoe. Or a bag?

• 43:09Speaker 02

  It's a bag. This is a fake Birkin.

• 43:11Conan O'Brien?

  That's a fake Birkin?

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, but you can't tell, right?

• 43:13Conan O'Brien?

  I could.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  South Korea. You could not.

• 43:16Conan O'Brien?

  The minute you walked in, I was like, fucking fake Birkin. And you know what? Matt gave me the signal to cancel. He gave me the, let's cut this off. We got a fake Birkin in the house. And we can't talk to you. You might, you might meet not the real Kesha. We actually switched that out with a real Birkin. When you weren't looking.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  I would love that.

• 43:34Conan O'Brien?

  That's our prank show.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Giving people real Birkins? Okay. I'll play.

• 43:40Conan O'Brien?

  You know, you had the moment, you talk about these little cultural moments. You knew you had made it. You said when The Simpsons switched out. The opening of their show, because they always do a different opening. They did an opening featuring TikTok. And you're like, okay.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  It's like, fine.

• 43:56Conan O'Brien?

  Got it.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  I guess this is on. And it was like, and then it was like wild style. It was just like wild style. My life's been wild style.

• 44:07Conan O'Brien?

  Wild style.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  It's just the only way I can describe.

• 44:11Conan O'Brien?

  So are you willing to have like a boring day that, which I know you mentioned you want to watch your Beverly Hills Housewives?

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, that I.

• 44:20Conan O'Brien?

  But, but, but do you ever take a day and just, I don't know, you know, make a, make some pasta?

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Cake.

• 44:29Conan O'Brien?

  A cake, bake a cake.

• 44:33Conan O'Brien?

  Paint a wall.

• 44:36Conan O'Brien?

  Do some electrical repair.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  To be honest, no, this is like kind of a problem. I have no chill. I have a tattoo that says chill. It's a lie. I'm not chill.

• 44:46Conan O'Brien?

  That's why you got the tattoos.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  I know, I was trying to chill.

• 44:49Conan O'Brien?

  Men remind yourself.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Just get more tattoos.

• 44:52Conan O'Brien?

  It's like, I have a tattoo that says, stop talking.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  You do?

• 44:56Conan O'Brien?

  No, but I wish I had a tattoo.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Well, it doesn't help. No, I don't understand.

• 45:05Conan O'Brien?

  But what about when you're at this retreat?

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Okay, but then you're romping around naked, chasing the butterflies and like tromping up in the hills and then go in the art barn. And then you go and you like dance your traumas away and then the medicine woman comes.

• 45:20Conan O'Brien?

  Are you still naked when this is all happening?

• 45:22Speaker 02

  You like can be, but I wasn't dancing naked.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  I agree with you.

• 45:27Conan O'Brien?

  I'm making little noises. Again, I'm the creep who's peering in at Esalen.

• 45:33Conan O'Brien?

  You know what, I'm on a faraway hill with crazy big, comically large binoculars going.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 45:40Conan O'Brien?

  You're wearing like a sniper ghillie suit, you know this? No, I'm not wearing a, I'm wearing a birding outfit.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  So it's, you go and like, you don't usually dance naked. You're usually just naked in the hot springs.

• 45:53Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  Don't be weird about it, Conan.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Don't be weird about what?

• 45:59Conan O'Brien?

  Dancing naked is problematic, I'm, I'm sure, you know?

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Why?

• 46:03Conan O'Brien?

  I don't know. Things could get caught in the machinery.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  What? What machinery?

• 46:08Conan O'Brien?

  There might be a thresher nearby. I don't know. I haven't thought this all the way through. I assumed they're out in the woods and there's a threshing machine. Your Irish cutlets are gonna get caught in the combine. I won't have my Irish cutlets thrashed in some thresher. Kesha, you've ruined, you've ruined this podcast forever.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  He short circuited after he said chicha.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  I know.

• 46:31Conan O'Brien?

  He said chicha, and you know what? Once that happened.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  Let's not discount bejazzled either.

• 46:38Conan O'Brien?

  Are we writing these down? What do we have now?

• 46:39Speaker 03

  We've got two cunties, well, I guess two chichas now for counting that one.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  You're writing it down?

• 46:44Speaker 03

  One Irish cutlets and one bejazzled.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  Count it.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:48Conan O'Brien?

  Literally the dorkiest thing you could do is write this stuff down.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  And you're both writing it down?

• 46:52Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna keep these on clipboard. Cause I love having this, I love consulting a clipboard. Hold on a second, that's one bejazzled, two Irish cutlets, a cuntie.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  You compared your nipples to spam. I wanna write that one down.

• 47:10Conan O'Brien?

  Well, if you saw them, you'd notice what I'm talking about. Let's just say the freckle is not the most erotic symbol.

• 47:19Conan O'Brien?

  You have had, I'm telling you, you're a very spiritual person. What's this segue gonna be?

• 47:26Speaker 02

  Let's go! Do it, get it, get it!

• 47:30Conan O'Brien?

  Here's new kind of party like a Kesha party, goes a Kesha party, don't stop. Okay. Listen, I want control of this. It's my job as the Admiral of this podcast to get it under control. And Kesha has ruined everything.

• 47:47Conan O'Brien?

  You are always fun, always fun this one. 100%. That's why, you know what happened was we, I was doing something at South by Southwest. And someone came up to me and said, "Kesha's here." And was just to speak to you, and I hadn't run into you since I think I saw you on the street. And I said, "I would love to see Kesha." And then, five minutes later, you walked in, and we had this nice reunion. And I said, "You've got to come on the podcast, please."

• 48:11Speaker 02

  And here we are.

• 48:12Conan O'Brien?

  And here we are, and it's a mess. It's a mess.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  That is what I knew.

• 48:18Conan O'Brien?

  No, it is, it is. It should be. It is exactly what it should be. You are a magical, you're a magical spirit from another land. Let's take a spiritual journey together, tell me.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 48:29Conan O'Brien?

  You're a very spiritual person, and you say you've had spiritual encounters. Do you believe in ghosts? I'm not a ghost person.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Are you fucking kidding me right now?

• 48:35Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I don't know about ghosts.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  Okay, wow.

• 48:37Conan O'Brien?

  I believe there are energies and spirits, but I don't know about a ghost.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  Would you ever go ghost hunting?

• 48:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I go ghost hunting.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Okay, so I did a TV show on Disney Plus called Conjuring Kesha, where I went ghost hunting, looking for aliens, looking for Bigfoot. Some shit happened, didn't do a season two, so on my tour this summer, on the days off, I'm doing it myself.

• 48:57Conan O'Brien?

  See, this is how you relax, it's not making a cape. That is your chill.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  I don't know!

• 49:02Conan O'Brien?

  Your chill is looking for Bigfoot and...

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Fuck yeah.

• 49:06Conan O'Brien?

  What about Loch Ness Monster?

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Fuck yeah.

• 49:09Conan O'Brien?

  Chupacabra.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  I don't know what that is, but fuck yeah, too.

• 49:14Conan O'Brien?

  It's an Israeli appetizer.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  But like, yes, that is how I relax.

• 49:19Conan O'Brien?

  Ghosts, though, specifically.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:20Conan O'Brien?

  Ones who have passed on, you think are still visiting us.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. Okay, so I'm filming a show. I am the exec producer, filming the cameraman. I forget what the camera's called, where it's like infrared, where you can see body heat.

• 49:31Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, Eduardo, what is that called?

• 49:34Speaker 03

  I asked Eduardo. Oh, sorry. I defer to Matt.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 49:38Conan O'Brien?

  God damn it, you're good.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  I'll have you see my previous answer.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  A thermal?

• 49:41Speaker 03

  I think, isn't it a thermal camera, like Predator?

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Just like that?

• 49:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Okay, so I'm filming him, he's filming me. Day two, haunted insane asylum. They're with Big Frida, Chip Coffee. We're bored, it's like four in the morning, and they're like, start like basically talking shit to the demons. I'm like, alright, where are you at? Like, you're not even here, just like...

• 50:01Conan O'Brien?

  Right, condescend to the demons, insult the demons, which would bring a demon forth, I would think.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  And it did. And so then, on camera, holding the camera, watch this thing like crawl up Jake and crawl into the ceiling. And it happened so fast that I was like, Jake, there's a thing in there, that's how fast, right? Filming it, exact same time, he like throws down a red camera, really expensive camera, is like, oh my god, there's something crawling on me. Pulls his shirt up, and there's three scratch marks down his spine. And Chip Coffee comes over and throws holy water on it, and then it heals, and I'm like, what the fuck is this?

• 50:36Conan O'Brien?

  Who's Chip Coffee? That's the coolest name I've ever heard, and why isn't he a private detective?

• 50:43Speaker 02

  He might be.

• 50:44Conan O'Brien?

  The name's Coffee, Chip Coffee. Uh, well, okay, that's stunning. Do you have all that on camera?

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Yes, and nobody cares. That's the craziest part.

• 50:53Conan O'Brien?

  Nobody cares.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  And I'm like, nobody cares about these ghosts I found, you're welcome, but I've found so many.

• 50:58Conan O'Brien?

  You've found so many ghosts. Uh, what do, do you get creeped out in a graveyard? Are you kind of happy there?

• 51:03Speaker 02

  No, I'm so happy.

• 51:04Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Cause I'm like, almost there.

• 51:07Conan O'Brien?

  Well, you know what?

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Oh my god. Kesha.

• 51:12Conan O'Brien?

  Kesha, no, you're not.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Oh, you're not?

• 51:15Conan O'Brien?

  Trust me, I'm getting to the boneyard long before you. I'll tell you, and I'll come back and I'll tell you how it is. Kesha, it's me, it's me, it's Conan.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  No, please.

• 51:25Conan O'Brien?

  I'm in the afterlife and I'm still not naked. All the other ghosts are letting things flop around.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Wait, where, how would you haunt?

• 51:34Conan O'Brien?

  How would I haunt irritating? I wouldn't scare people, but I'd be, I mean, I'm gonna pass on and Gourley and Stoner are youngsters. They're gonna be happily living their lives and I'm gonna just be like, ooh, hey, what's going on? You're gonna be doing bits. Doing bits. I'm gonna be doing bits and coming back and saying, wouldn't it be funny if, yeah, and you will get an exorcist, but nothing scary will happen. There'll be no cone vomiting or head spinning.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  I'll put my hair up in a bun and it'll just get knocked out immediately.

• 51:59Conan O'Brien?

  Whenever her hair is in a bun, I knock it loose.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, it's a lot of like, yeah, you'll do that.

• 52:05Conan O'Brien?

  I'll do that. Or Gourley, I'll scratch your favorite, he loves to listen to old Kate Kaiser tunes on his 45 player. I don't even know who that is. The jingle when they jingle.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  He's got me.

• 52:17Conan O'Brien?

  He just, she loves, he just puts on old records and he wears a seersucker suit.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Oh my God, so cute.

• 52:23Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I do do this. I do do this. And I'll be scratching, all your records will be scratched and you know what happens. And I'm in a ukulele club and.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Same, cute.

• 52:32Conan O'Brien?

  I'm assigning him a personality over time and soon it will become his personality. Yeah, it's just little things. Like he'll take things that you have like organized and he'll move them around just a little bit.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  So it'll infuriate you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:44Conan O'Brien?

  Has that ever happened? But the thing is, the first person I'm gonna go to is Kesha.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  You better.

• 52:49Conan O'Brien?

  That's like, yeah, I'm gonna go to you first.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  You fucking better.

• 52:52Conan O'Brien?

  Hey, uh, man, Jesus. And I'd be like, I like when you wear my merchandise. It looks so sexy and I can monetize it.

• 53:06Conan O'Brien?

  What a weird ghost. You're gonna, you know, I'll be the first, I'll be a ghost that has a restraining order. Kesha, uh, 55 feet, oh fuck.

• 53:20Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I gotta talk about this. You're going out on tour. It's the Tits-Out Tour, and I have got to join you onstage. And I gotta let these cutlets breathe.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Yes, let them out, baby.

• 53:32Conan O'Brien?

  Are you enjoying the live performing? I bet, I have a prediction that you're enjoying it now maybe more than ever because you've been through everything.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  I'm enjoying everything better now. It's weird when you like sign away the rights to the one thing you do and have dedicated your life to in perpetuity in the universe, and then you get it back. Fucking, everything is different. I feel like I'm living in hypercolor. I feel like I'm also like healing in front of the world at the same time, which is like messy. But I just had to make a conscious choice, like, what do I believe? I believe in being authentic. I believe it's my last lifetime, like, I really do believe it. And so like, fuck it, let's go. And like, now, everything is so much more fun. Listening to, I couldn't even listen to music for a long time. I have not listened to some songs that were like particularly unpleasant for me.

• 54:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  And I like, last week, you would hate this, but I was like dancing around my room naked, sobbing.

• 54:32Conan O'Brien?

  I like it when you do it.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  Okay, just not you. Okay, got it.

• 54:35Conan O'Brien?

  Again, I just, I'm there just as a sketch artist.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  But just like crying, being like, these are my children. Like, I've turned my back on my children. And like, I love them and I wanna play them and the fans wanna hear them and I can't wait to see my fans and I'm free. There was just a period of time when like, I felt so forgotten by the world. Like, 10 years is a long time. And I was also like, signed to the people that were suing me. And so, like, by year like nine, I was like, I feel so fucking like, nobody cares.

• 55:11Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  It was so isolating and so depressing. And then I get a phone call. Everything looks the same. Ring, ring, in three months' time, you will be free. And I'm like, well, everything just flipped in a minute. Like, in that moment, I wrote 200 songs over the course of the next couple of months. Like, just there was like color brought back into my life. And now I can't wait to tour. And I'm, all the music that has negative connotation, everything's energy. So yes, I believe in ghosts, we'll have to circle back on that, but anyways.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  I'm taking a-

• 55:45Conan O'Brien?

  Kesha, it's me, Conan. I didn't even die, but I'm a ghost hanging around your house. Doing sketches.

• 55:56Conan O'Brien?

  He's alive and well. I'm alive and well.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  I'm here to serve you with a ghost subpoena.

• 56:04Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, ghost subpoena. Um, yeah, so, uh, I mean, I am, uh, I'm genuinely very happy for you. And it's funny, I have this, because I've been doing this for so long and I encounter people and then I see them at different phases in their life and I'm, I, I have this relationship sometimes and I've said this to many people and, and you fit the bill as well where I'm rooting for you because you came and, you know, helped me out and gave of your talent on my show and you were always brought great energy and I thought, I'm just so happy to reconnect with you and this has been really funny.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:45Conan O'Brien?

  And fun and, and filthy at times.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  And like a little psychotic.

• 56:49Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, but also, no, and also I'm learning some words here that I didn't know.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Oh, we love that. It's good you wrote them down. It is, it's good you wrote them down.

• 56:57Conan O'Brien?

  What happens when this piece of paper's found later on?

• 57:00Speaker 03

  That's when the restraining order.

• 57:03Conan O'Brien?

  This laundry got sent back and the woman who works there wants to talk to you. This was rolled up in your-

• 57:08Speaker 03

  Hi, I have Mr. O'Brien's grocery list. I'm wondering if you could help me find some of these. I understand I have cutlets, but where are the chichas?

• 57:16Speaker 02

  I need two cunties.

• 57:18Conan O'Brien?

  I need two cunties and a chicha, please, to go. Well, I'm really happy for you. The Tits Out Tour. I'm gonna be there, man. I'm gonna be there dancing onstage.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you are.

• 57:31Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, that will hurt you. That will hurt the numbers.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  No, you must.

• 57:33Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no, your fans will get so mad when I dance out on tour and the Tits Out Tour.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  They'll be so happy.

• 57:37Conan O'Brien?

  So, now, talk some sense into Kesha. Uh, they won't be happy.

• 57:43Conan O'Brien?

  Your first independent album, period. This is under your own label. Kesha Records, July 4th, 2025. This is your sixth studio album. I'm really happy for you. And thank you so much for bringing me that gorgeous guitar. I'm gonna be playing that today and tonight. And thank you. Conan merch has never looked cooler.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Oh, we'll have to take some hot pics and drop it on the gram.

• 58:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, yes, I wish I knew what the gram was.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  I got you.

• 58:11Conan O'Brien?

  On a gram cracker. Kesha wants a photo on a gram cracker. Idiot! I know what the gram is. He said lying. Kesha, thank you so much for being here and for bringing your cool spirit.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Thanks for always being the fucking best.

• 58:26Conan O'Brien?

  Geez.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Deadass.

• 58:27Conan O'Brien?

  See that gorly?

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Rick Rubin and Conan O'Brien, like, you are one of the best men.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. That is the first and only time anyone will clump you together with Rick Rubin, I think, right?

• 58:40Speaker 02

  They're my two favorite men in entertainment.

• 58:41Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna try and get into a fender bender with him. Just so that we're named in court together. I'm gonna wait for Rick Rubin to drive by and then just slam him in the back of his car. Conan O'Brien struck Rick Rubin, "See, Sona, twice!" He was driving his Nissan Sentra when he was hit from behind by Conan O'Brien. All right, bless you, Kesha. Go forward and do great work.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  Let's party.

• 59:08Conan O'Brien?

  Coca-Cola Zero Sugar is so good. It's almost impossible not to finish it before the meal arrives. It's just too good to wait. That happens to me sometimes.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Me, too.

• 59:17Conan O'Brien?

  You can try rules, like no sipping until the appetizer arrives, or you tell your friend, "Don't let me touch my glass." But every time you're staring at an empty glass. So if you've ever finished your Coke Zero before the first fry hits the table, you're among friends. It happens. Occupational hazard with Coke Zero.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:35Conan O'Brien?

  Real Coca-Cola taste, zero sugar, too good to wait. Enjoy an ice cold Coca-Cola Zero Sugar today.

• 59:45Conan O'Brien?

  Sonja, you have to admit, the holidays, it's really about hanging with the people you love.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:51Conan O'Brien?

  And getting to be yourself. Not going to some stuffy holiday party where you need to conform to what the man wants you to think about the holidays.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it's about being yourself. Turn your holiday time into Miller time by enjoying a Miller Lite in a place where you're free to enjoy yourself on a walk with a cousin. With a cousin? Why are they getting all specific about?

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  Because it's family.

• 1:00:13Conan O'Brien?

  But what about a niece or a nephew?

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Conan O'Brien?

  Um, like a walk with an ex-wife. Uh, I don't know. I mean, they're just throwing, that's a weird, they just made a very specific choice.

• 1:00:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Conan O'Brien?

  Now's the time for those unexpected holiday side guests and enjoy a great tasting light beer. 'Tis Miller time, as Dickens wrote. Miller Lite is brewed for taste, the taste you can depend on. The original light beer since 1975 and still iconic more than 50 years later. I like to be with my bros, my chums, my posse. Crack open a Miller Lite, take a swig, a sip, look around and see my friends. We've known each other forever and we're just hanging out.

• 1:00:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, you guys are just doing chest bumps and high-fiving.

• 1:00:53Conan O'Brien?

  Miller Lite is great taste done right. Go to millerlite.com/conan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. 'Tis Miller time. Celebrate responsibly Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

• 1:01:14Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:02:00Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 1:02:30Conan O'Brien?

  And this has never happened before on the podcast in five years. We took a break. We had just finished interviewing Kesha. Wonderful time, really fun.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Wonderful.

• 1:02:44Conan O'Brien?

  She's so funny and fun and it was revealing and cool and all kinds of stuff. Then we take a break. I remain here and start doodling on my sketchpad.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I remain here too.

• 1:02:56Conan O'Brien?

  But.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Cause I am a decent person.

• 1:03:00Conan O'Brien?

  Why don't you tell us what happened, Matt? Just tell us, it's okay.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  No, it's really embarrassing. It's not okay at all.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  I had to pee and I went to the bathroom and I opened the door. It wasn't locked and Kesha was peeing in the bathroom.

• 1:03:15Conan O'Brien?

  So you walked in on Kesha while she was urinating?

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  And she screamed.

• 1:03:19Conan O'Brien?

  She screamed.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  But she did the cutest little, "Ah!" Like this, like an Ewok or something. And I, she was very nice about it and I truly didn't mean to.

• 1:03:29Conan O'Brien?

  You said you truly didn't mean to. But I would like to point out that just as you got up from the table, you looked at me and you said, "Time to watch Kesha pee." And stormed out of the room and I said, "No!" No, you did not say that and this is for the court records. You did not say such a thing.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Can, can I say something? The door was closed and you didn't think about like knocking?

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Here's the thing, the door was not locked and there are two doors in that restroom. There's the door and immediately to the left, there's another door. So I just, anytime I've ever used that restroom, it's always locked if it's being occupied. So I just wasn't used to it. Are you, are you suggesting that I did that on purpose? I didn't even know she was in there.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  I don't know, it's not proper bathroom etiquette. If the door is closed, you knock.

• 1:04:19Conan O'Brien?

  I'm totally with Sona on this. I'm a knocker. I always, I always knock. I find.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  I just certainly will from here on out. I can tell you that much.

• 1:04:28Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, my God. But I mean.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  Unless it's Kesha.

• 1:04:32Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. It was, we heard shrieking.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Conan O'Brien?

  Um, you came running back in, face beet red. Uh, the, we have a whole bunch of people out there who were watching the podcast. They find out what happened, they're screaming. I mean, it really did sound like a house of murder.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  It did, well, and also I have to admit, cause I think it's a very awkward situation for everybody. You came in, you're like, I just walked in on Kesha. And then we could have just, you could have ignored it, but you went out there and you apologized.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  Well, I thought that was the right thing to do.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  No, I think it's nice, but it also, I don't know, does that make somebody more uncomfortable or more embarrassed?

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Can I also explain one other thing? I was right on the heels of Eduardo saying, let me just go pee really quickly. I didn't know which one he's in. I thought because this one was unlocked, he was not in there. He was trying to come. Yeah, maybe.

• 1:05:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, in, yeah, in his defense, he was trying to watch Eduardo urinate.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:05:25Conan O'Brien?

  And accidentally walked in on Sexy Kesha. Uh, so I.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Wait a minute.

• 1:05:32Conan O'Brien?

  There, there, and, and just to, to let people know here, there are two bathrooms. There's one right next to our studio. And then there's one that is kind of further on down the hall. And so you didn't use the one right next to the studio.

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  It was, it was used.

• 1:05:45Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  It was in, it was occupied.

• 1:05:47Conan O'Brien?

  Cause the door was shut?

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  I thought.

• 1:05:49Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, why didn't you walk in on that one?

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Because I thought Eduardo went into that one and I thought no one else is in this other one. Cause I knew he went into that one.

• 1:05:57Conan O'Brien?

  I don't know, there's a lot of assumptions here.

• 1:05:59Speaker 06

  Lot of assumptions here.

• 1:06:00Conan O'Brien?

  There's also, there's also a bathroom on the first floor. The second bathroom is labeled pop star. And the first bathroom is labeled, uh, peons that work here, uh, at the show.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  That's an unfortunate pun.

• 1:06:15Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it is. And, and no pun intended. And then my bathroom is, uh, is called comedic icon. And that's on the top floor.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  I just want to refresh us to the interview prior to this, where you spent a good five minutes talking about how you wanted to dress like a urinal and have women pee on you, so.

• 1:06:31Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no.

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  No, that's, that.

• 1:06:33Conan O'Brien?

  I did not.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Pervin on Kesha while she was at the. Excellent, that's right.

• 1:06:38Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no, no, no, no. First of all, this whole thing about me dressing as a urinal wouldn't work on women. That's a flawed concept, so I know you're lying.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  Oh, then it's okay.

• 1:06:48Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, I'll dress as a urinal and then trap women. Uh, slight flaw with your plan there, Gourley, that you're trying to assign to me. Clearly, you've thought this out, and I've found your sketches, and I've seen what you've done. Anyway, I want to assure all of our guests that from now on, Matt Gourley is going to knock. I, yes, agreed. And, um, and a good idea may be to lock the bathroom door when Gourley's on the property. When the mad peepers, when the mad peepers here, uh, let's lock things up. You know?

• 1:07:20Speaker 06

  Can I ask a question? So, uh, you know, we are on the second floor. Conan, your office and, uh, your own personal bathroom is on the third floor.

• 1:07:28Conan O'Brien?

  It's not my personal bathroom, because I share it with Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and, uh, anyone else who wants to go up there and use it.

• 1:07:33Speaker 06

  Well, that's my question is, should we, so this doesn't happen again, should we assign Gourley a bathroom? This is the only bathroom you're allowed to use.

• 1:07:40Conan O'Brien?

  What are you doing? I'm not like a sex offender. You know what we should do?

• 1:07:42Speaker 06

  I'm just saying.

• 1:07:43Conan O'Brien?

  Well, first of all.

• 1:07:43Speaker 06

  We want to learn from our mistakes.

• 1:07:45Conan O'Brien?

  We should learn from our mistakes. First of all, I think Gourley should wear an ankle bracelet for a year.

• 1:07:50Conan O'Brien?

  And he has to go to every pop star in LA. And knock on their door and tell them, if, if you're urinating in a bathroom near me, I may try and peek in on you. So that's rule number one. Rule number two is we should get one of those, uh, outdoor bathrooms, and we should put it in our little yard, and that should be just for Gourley.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Like a porta potty?

• 1:08:09Conan O'Brien?

  Little porta potty.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Like an outhouse?

• 1:08:10Conan O'Brien?

  Little outhouse porta potty. Oh, you like old timey things? We'll get you an old. Wait, no, I have a solution. I quit.

• 1:08:19Conan O'Brien?

  Hey! A little Gor, win, win, win. A little Gorla potty, a Gorla potty. We did it. Um, listen, uh, you can write up rap all you want on a piece of paper. But you just wrote rap.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:08:32Conan O'Brien?

  Listen, it was an accident. Accidents happen, and, uh...

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  I will say, if, if you're gonna walk in on someone, I feel like Kesha's a good person to walk in on. Cause she's cool about it. She's very, oh, like, very cool, very open.

• 1:08:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I walked in four times on Al Pacino. And he was like, "Get the hell out of here!"

• 1:08:51Conan O'Brien?

  "What are you doing with that?" "What do I?" "It's the fourth..." "Hey, he said I understand one time." "It's the fourth time." And I said, "That's taken you a long time to pee, Mr. Pacino." "Well, what do you want? I'm 94."

• 1:09:04Conan O'Brien?

  "I've also played Jim on Taxi."

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  All right. Peace out. Love you, Kesha. Bye. Oh, my God. Oh, hold on before we go. Actually, this just in. If you'd like to get the same retro Conan O'Brien t-shirt Kesha is wearing in this interview, just go to podswag.com/conan. Got it.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

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• 1:09:46Speaker 03

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