#2430 - Jay Anderson

Jay Anderson is the host and creator of the YouTube program and podcast Project Unity, which focuses on UFO and UAP phenomenon, human origins, ancient mysteries, and other topics. www.youtube.com/@ProjectUnityhttp://www.patreon.com/ProjectUnity Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  What's happening, man?

• 0:13Speaker 01

  What's up, bro?

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Very nice to meet you.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  It's great to meet you as well, Joe. I really, really appreciate you taking me out here.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my pleasure. I've enjoyed your content for quite a while now, so it's really fun.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Well, I'd be interested to know when was it that you first started getting interested in what I was doing? What kind of subject? What topic?

• 0:28Joe Rogan?

  I wish I remembered.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Because I know you've followed me for a couple of years. Before the Caffrey Pyramid scans and stuff, like, you know I'm into the UFO subject and things like that, but I wasn't sure what...

• 0:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all the silly shit that I love.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  I hear you.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Silly and serious at the same time. Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and obviously aliens.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And it's all co-tangent. It all connects together.

• 0:50Joe Rogan?

  I think so, too. We actually played a clip. We did a podcast yesterday with Dr. Michael Masters.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Love him. Yeah, I've talked to him a couple of times.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  He was a very fun, very smart guy, very interesting guy. But we played, we were talking about, he has a theory that aliens are human beings in the future.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09Joe Rogan?

  It's a very strange theory.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Based on like, kind of, the anthropological view and the physiology and how that might have happened over time?

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  And there's also, what was the model? There's the many worlds theory, and then what was his model? There's a different one. The concept is, you could, if you lived in the future, you could go back in time and it would not affect the future, because everything that's supposed to happen is already happening.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  And you were supposed to go back anyway.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Interesting. Okay.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  I tried to keep my head... But anyway, during that time, I asked him about the tridactyl mummies, and then we played your clip.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we played the clip that showed all the scans, we talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru and actually touched those things and was there with them and how surreal it was.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was in Peru recently not to go and see the Nazca mummies. I wish I could have seen them. I was out there to look at all the megalithic studies and the excavations going on at Saxo Oman, which is an incredible megalithic site in Cusco. But the Nazca mummies, I mean, what's interesting about it is that, obviously, you're going to have a big knee-jerk reaction to something that's so incredibly profound as the idea of these being non-human intelligences that are mummified, but... When you actually look at the CT scans and the X-rays, you start to realise that this can't be faked. You can't fake bone cartilage, you can't fake capillaries and heart valves and a fetus inside the body.

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  It's so nuts.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Dude, it's crazy. Some of them have eggs inside them, some of them have fetuses.

• 2:31Joe Rogan?

  It looks like the eggs are big.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Big eggs, like inside them, yeah. And these are small beings. These ones are meant to be like the little kind of like sixty centimetre beings with like three eggs inside them. Then you've got the big one, Montserrat, which has an actual fetus, like a baby, not in an egg. So it's like, if these are all real, it does feel like there was some sort of genetic experimentation going on where they're just churning out prototypes of some form.

• 2:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that's it, or do you think that there used to be another type of, for lack of a better word, primate?

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Well, the thing is-

• 3:03Joe Rogan?

  Is that a primate? I mean, what is that?

• 3:05Speaker 01

  I mean, some of them, they're leaning more towards like reptilian anthropod kind of lineage. So like the bigger ones seem to be more mammalian, whereas the smaller ones with the eggs are sharing reptilian traits. So it's like there are all these different variations with these different bodies, different kind of like physiological characteristics. Which is why it's like, okay, well, is this one lineage or is this just someone kind of like tweaking, all right, well, that one failed, that one's not working. This one grew wings, or I fucked that one off. Like, you know, it's just weird.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  So your thought is that these are the products of experiments?

• 3:38Speaker 01

  I mean, if you look at Jesse, when Jesse Michaels did his documentary, one thing he mentioned, I can't remember where he got this from, but he was saying that the original translation of the area of Nazca from the original language was like the area of experiments and genetic cloning. It was like a really strange definition for the actual area that kind of says experimentation and genetic modification. I can't remember the exact quote, but this was something that he brought up in the documentary. I was like, huh, okay. Then you have all of these various different examples.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  Can I ask you?

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:13Joe Rogan?

  Who said that? Who called it that?

• 4:16Speaker 01

  When Jesse Michaels put out his documentary, there was just a scene in it. Now, my memory is failing me a little bit, but there's a scene in it where he was talking about the Nazca region. And he said that the original, in the original language, this translates roughly to the area of experimentation and genetics of some form.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  But how do they know what those terms were?

• 4:36Speaker 01

  I agree, I agree. But it's just a weird little caveat that he brought up in the documentary. I'm not quite, he'd probably be rolling his eyes at me now, like, dude, I actually fucking know exactly what this is. You make me look like an idiot.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  You're butchering it.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm butchering it, but no.

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  I do that all the time.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  No, for sure. But I, but just the fact that these things exist, and they exist in an area of the world which is full of mystery. I mean, the megalithic sites around there, like I said, that's what I was out there for, to see these different megalithic sites and the Nazca lines. And, you know, Sacsawoman and in the Sacred Valley, you just have like incredibly complex architecture. You know, rose quartz granite, diorite, and the site, these incredibly hard stones, like in Egypt. But honestly, I find Peru even more baffling than Egypt with the architecture because of just the level of interlocking precision that you see. And the fact that it looks like they've softened the stone in Sacsawoman, it looks like marshmallows, like all squished together. And it just invokes a lot of different theories from people about how they were actually manipulating the stone.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like, it does seem like there's some areas where chunks have been removed from, you know, the quarries. But when they're all pieced together, when you see those weird like curvatures to it, it's like, what were you guys doing? And perfect precision.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Perfect precision. And like, sometimes you'll see like these corners where just a tiny bit of stone is jutting up. And then the other two are connecting into it. It's like, this is such a ridiculous level of complexity for an apparent 600 year ago Bronze Age, bronze chisels and stone hammer tool wielding civilization. And also in Peru is what I find very interesting is you've got a brilliant visual contrast to use when you look at what is the Inca work? Which is the rough cut stone, the mortar brick using walls, like this is all present in Peru next to the megalithic sites. And the mainstream will attribute all of this to the Inca of 600 years ago. But you'll see that the stone walls that are rough cut and use cement and mortar, they're still standing, they're pretty pristine, they're looking good.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  Next to megalithic multi-ton slabs of granite that are broken to pieces and strewn across the hillside. So it just looks like there was a lot of desolation, potentially geological trauma in this area. And then these people, the Inca, discovered these sites, built around them. You can see in like the cracks and corners of all these megaliths, that there's like stone walls that they've tried to kind of, you know, reinforce. It's very visually obvious, actually, when you go out to these places.

• 7:03Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing to consider the possibility that this is from an older time? Like that it's heresy.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  It's just such a knee-jerk reaction, man. Like, I think, at the end of the day, we're still using models from like 1800s explorers, right? And it's like, what the fuck? We've moved forward. There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data in a lot of these countries, whether it be, you know, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, or the potential infrastructure below the Giza Plateau. And then the incredible megaliths in Saxo in Peru, like Saxo Woman. It just feels like what we're doing is rehashing the same status quo orthodoxy, and it's coming up against an ever-piling higher mountain of evidence. And one of the cool things that I got to do out in Peru was go to Saxo Woman, where they've got current archaeological digs going on through the Chincana Project, which is

• 7:55Speaker 01

  an archaeological team out there, and they're doing digs. And they have actually discovered below, like, 10 metres down into the ground, precision-carved blocks of stone that are coming out of the earth. And this is where, in this region, in Cusco, the Andean legends are that there is a vast labyrinth below ground connecting Cusco to Saxo Woman, connecting Saxo Woman to the Sacred Valley, all spreading out across the Andean mountain range. And this is like an old legend. This is what the shamans and the, you know, sacred keepers of knowledge would say in Peru. We're finding evidence for it. We're literally going underground now and seeing that there are actually really precise elements of infrastructure below Saksawoman. And they're just beginning to uncover this. I was one of the first to go down there and

• 8:40Speaker 01

  actually see these blocks myself. And it's just like, this is happening now. You know, we're actually getting to a place where we can start to validate some of these forgotten myths and folk laws, or if you want to call them conspiracies or pseudoscience from the archaeological side of things. It's being-

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• 11:28Speaker 01

  Evidence now.

• 11:30Joe Rogan?

  That's mad. So these tunnels and like, what is exactly the structure that's supposed to be down there? And what have they discovered?

• 11:39Speaker 01

  So it's supposed to be called the Chinkana, like the labyrinth. And there's a few different Chinkana entrances around the region.

• 11:46Joe Rogan?

  How big is it supposed to be?

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Vast, multiple kilometers. It's stretching from down Saks of Women down into Cusco and then off into the Andean mountain range to the Sacred Valley.

• 11:55Joe Rogan?

  It's very similar to some of the stuff that they found in Egypt. That's banana.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Yes. And then what's interesting is you have the same hallmarks and signatures that you see in Egypt. So you see the stone nubs, you know, these little protrusions that you get. I'm addicted to those, man, because they are all over the world.

• 12:10Joe Rogan?

  Do you have any theories?

• 12:11Speaker 01

  I mean, I've listened to a lot of theories. I certainly think that the.

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  We should show an image of it for people that don't know what we're talking about.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Stone nubs.

• 12:20Joe Rogan?

  There's all of these incredible massive stones that have been somehow or another moved from a quarry, sometimes that were hundreds of miles away. They all have these weird nubs on them and no one knows what they are. And there's a bunch of theories, like maybe they helped them move these things. You see them all over the place. And no one quite knows what those are.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  You see them in India, you see them in Egypt, you see them in Peru, this is in Olentambo in the sacred valley.

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  We're missing, this is one of the things that's so infuriating about people that are arrogant about gatekeeping information and being the only ones that are allowed to distribute the truth, air quotes.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:01Joe Rogan?

  We're missing so much.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:03Joe Rogan?

  There's no way you really know.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Huge gaps of knowledge.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  We're missing so much and more time goes on, as Graham Hancock always says, shit just keeps getting older. And now they just pushed back the use of fire by 300,000 plus years.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 13:18Joe Rogan?

  Like, it just keeps going, it's not going forward.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:21Joe Rogan?

  It's going backwards.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  And anatomically modern humans, I think, have gone much further back now in time. They're looking at 800,000 years.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes, plus.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  And so, you know, plus, plus.

• 13:29Joe Rogan?

  Plus, possibly even a million.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:31Joe Rogan?

  This is what weirds me about these creatures. Like, human beings have gotten to the point, multiple times, where we were almost extinct. The Toba volcano, I think we got down to, god, was it 7,000 people? Is that like the low estimate?

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Damn, really?

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a crazy story. Like, supervolcanoes are unbelievably devastating to just all life. You know, because it just changes the temperature of the earth, the entire surface, whatever doesn't get blasted out of the ground by the actual volcano itself, all the other stuff on the other side of the world gets fucked. Like, it's just, it just ruins everything. We got down to like a few thousand people. And then there was another time where one of these guys who, god, I forget who that was as well, we were talking about the reality of glaciation.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  And about what happens during ice ages and how devastating it can be. And they were saying that we had gotten at least multiple times in the history of the earth to the point where it was incapable of sustaining life.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  But within a few, you know, like, whatever parts per million of carbon dioxide are necessary to support plant life, we literally got to the part where there was almost impossible to support life. And then it rebounded and everything's fine. So there's so much we don't know.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Absolutely, man.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  This is so crazy to try to pretend you know that people 600 years ago made this. Because we know people 600 years ago lived there, we have a lot of archaeological evidence and we have... But you have weird structures on top of obviously much more intricate and complex structures.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and again, they share the same signatures as places like in Egypt and India.

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  If you bring this up, they think you're a kook.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, they do, and it's just a knee jerk reaction. It's again, it's adherence to a status quo and you know, you get channeled through a very kind of fine wall in academia. And I think that it can, it can be a real detriment actually to opening up your ideas and being a little bit more expansive with what could be possible because you do get put into a very restrictive format in the traditional academic sense. And then obviously you have, you know, the pressures of funding and things like this and you're not gonna get the funding if you're talking about this crazy shit. And it's just like a self fulfilling censoring, you know?

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  It's really too bad.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  But with the rise of alternative media, we're changing the game a bit because you can actually put a voice out there, you can put an idea out there. It's not completely stonewalled by the academic circle. They can't actually prevent people from discussing these ideas in an open media format like this.

• 15:57Joe Rogan?

  Right. And if you put a video like you did on X or on YouTube, people can like, like the video that you did on the aliens, whatever they are.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Whatever they are.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  People can see the CT scans.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  You see the CT scans and you're automatically go, wait a minute, this is 1,200 years old?

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right.

• 16:13Joe Rogan?

  You're telling me someone faked this 1,200 years ago? Like, I don't think they could fake that now.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  No, I don't think they could.

• 16:18Joe Rogan?

  Hollywood special effects guys, but then the composition of the actual, the bones and everything.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Like I said, like cartilage and muscle tissue and...

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  How would you fake that?

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Circling back, I texted Jesse to ask him for some insight on what you asked for.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  So what he sent me was a screenshot of a book where he got it from.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Thanks for this, Jamie.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  I had to translate. Translation here shows...

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Science of insemination.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jumana, I guess is the local word. So it's a local word for what that area is called.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  And this is a book he found from that area, I think. And it says, yeah, laboratory of insemination and cloning.

• 16:52Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 16:53Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, dude.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  And look at all these terms. They use Yuma, Isusimun, Yumay, verb to inseminate, Yumage, the science of insemination, Yumapaj, wise inseminator, Yuma, scion or clone.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  This is what I'm saying, bro.

• 17:11Joe Rogan?

  Yumay, to clone, Yumage, the science of cloning, and Yumpaj, wise cloner.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  So basically...

• 17:21Speaker 01

  You know, it's there, it's um, it's interesting and then obviously.

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  Go back to that please again.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  You get alongside this kind of description, you have these bodies, you have.

• 17:31Joe Rogan?

  Bro, this is mad.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, like this was, dude, this was like one little 10 second clip in his documentary and it just made me perk up like, wait a minute, what?

• 17:39Joe Rogan?

  The name of the place is like a laboratory of insemination and cloning.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  And you're getting a smorgasbord of different beings coming out of this area, right?

• 17:48Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Jesse does add, I think he's speculating somewhat on the etymology, not definitive, but.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right, right, right. But yeah, I mean, it's there.

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  That's why Jesse's better at this than me. I'm like, that's clear, all right, it's done, the proof is there. Wow, that is so nuts.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  It is interesting and I think it does, you know, leads into what was happening on this planet a long time ago.

• 18:12Joe Rogan?

  It does and it leads, like, but my point was when I was getting to the whole supervolcano thing.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  What if something happened that wiped that species out?

• 18:20Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  Like clearly there's no more Neanderthals, right? We, they, whatever happened, whether it was us or disease or whatever killed them off, they don't exist anymore. We only have evidence of people that are bred with them. What, what is that thing? Is that thing maybe one of us, like another kind of human? Look, look, another kind of primate? You know, look how different we are than rhesus monkeys, right? Like we're all primates. We're so fucking different. Why would we assume that the ones that we've found so far, including like, what'd they find? Denisovans like 15 years ago, something like that?

• 18:51Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  And then Homo Julianns, what was that one? That was just a few years ago? Like they keep finding these new versions of people, not new, obviously.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  But long extinct versions of people.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  I think it's possible and I also think that there's a, you know, potential, what if, what if a particular subroot species of hominid decided to opt in for subterranean living? And they escaped a lot of the surface world traumas and were actually able to kind of maintain their society. I mean, look at all of the weird evidence we have in these vast underground.

• 19:22Joe Rogan?

  Darren Cuyee.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Darren Cuyee, would love to go there, my god, what a.

• 19:25Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy Corsetti just released a video on it. It's bananas.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Could you imagine renovating your house and fucking finding that?

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  Renovating your house and finding there's a room for 20,000 people under your house.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Would you say anything?

• 19:38Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:39Joe Rogan?

  I don't think about where I live.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Would you say anything?

• 19:41Joe Rogan?

  Depends on where I live. You live in a place where the government could just come and take your house.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd be worried about that.

• 19:44Joe Rogan?

  I would say it if I was in America. But if you was in America, what if I really liked my house? And now my house is connected to this underground.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  World heritage site and.

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  Would the fucking archaeologists wanna come? Like, get out of my yard.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly. But like, yeah, I think about this and I think about all of these different.

• 19:58Joe Rogan?

  I would tell, of course.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, good, good. No, I'm happy to hear that.

• 20:01Joe Rogan?

  I'm fucking around.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  Happy to hear that. But it's, um, it's interesting. And then you have, you know, the strange stories, like from the Ho'op'it'rye, about the ant people that came during a time of cataclysm. And they brought them underground and then they brought them back up. And there's a few like that. There was a really, uh, interesting podcast, it was years ago, I remember seeing this, where they'd brought these two Amazonian shamans on the podcast, like full headdress. They spoke their own tribal language. They needed an interpreter in the room. And the guy asked them what they thought about aliens. And they didn't understand the question, didn't know what he meant by alien. He was like thumbing through this book and he put up a picture of a gray. And the tribesman went, oh, that's Makunwabu. That's Makunwabu.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  And they had a whole story about how this was a human that became an ant that lives underground. And it can appear in the divine light, but you should be very careful with this being because it will take your soul underground. And you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back. And they were taking it real seriously. Like, yeah, yeah, dude.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  So it's like, these tribal cultures, they know, man. They, they fucking know.

• 21:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think they have, I think there's an ancient memory in people. I think it's one of the reasons why these, uh, post-apocalypse movies are so popular.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  I love them.

• 21:14Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of post-apocalypse movies where, you know, like, people, they, they, they figure out how to make houses out of wood again. And they're, they're surviving and they make little encampments and they fight off the intruders from the outside. You know, real like, uh, Walking Dead type shit, but with no zombies.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:30Joe Rogan?

  I think there's a memory in us of the surviving humans. I think there's a memory. And I think we probably have been through some terrible moments in the earth's history where there was a enormous disaster. And we are the ancestors of survivors. And I don't think there was a lot of survivors.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  No. In fact, I heard you talking about that the other day where you were, um, saying about like the, and it's something I agree with, the necessity for, um, post cataclysm, post apocalypse. The the strong men would inherit the earth, you know.

• 22:05Joe Rogan?

  Monsters would inherit.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Monsters would inherit the earth, right? And and so if you if we really were a hyper advanced Atlantean type civilization prior to this, maybe even more matriarchal than patriarchal. It would make sense that when things fall apart, obviously, and now you need to survive in the wild, the strong men and the, you know, savage guys would inherit the earth because they would be the ones who would be able to, you know, push through that type of environment. And then if if that is the case and you fast forward to where we are now, look at our incredibly competitive, hyper kind of aggressive culture that we have. It would make sense that this was formed through the seeds of trauma and through the seeds of having

• 22:48Speaker 01

  to fight for survival and, you know, recovering what was lost.

• 22:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes, which also makes sense why the past, the further you go back, the more barbaric these people are. You're dealing and you're like, well, it took a while for people to learn, maybe. But maybe, you know, you're you're dealing with people that had to, they they probably had to cannibalize. I mean, they probably had to eat everything they could. There was only a few thousand of them left. If we really got hit by asteroids, like if the Younger Dryas is correct, it makes sense that it would take like 5,000 years for civilization to emerge again.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:24Joe Rogan?

  Because that seems to be what happened. It seems to be like you have literally the scragliest survivors. And then eventually the earth gets back to normal. But even then, it takes thousands of years for people to just have a semblance of what we're experiencing today in terms of civilization.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  And that's why prehistory is so fascinating and the the Neolithic and the Stone Age. Because, OK, so this is a time when we were just basic hunter gatherers. We had no, you know, intelligence, no language, no real understanding of the world, according to the mainstream. But this is where you have multi-ton, geodetically aligned, solar equinox and and.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  What's the lunar alignment? I've completely just blanked just because I'm a little bit nervous of being on here. Like, you know, like equinox alignment and like alignments to the to the sun and the moon. Mathematically, geodetically aligned to what look like telluric currents, like electromagnetic flows beneath the ground. A lot of these stone henges and dolmens are placed on places where you have strong electromagnetic concentrations. And just the the the the package of mathematics and engineering and stone crafting and the knowledge of the sun and the stars and your placement on the planet to create things like, you know, stone henge and these other areas in the world.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  How how can you do that if you're just hunter gatherers coming out of, you know, animalistic behavior? It doesn't make any sense. And then we kind of regress as we go further into history and, you know, the stonework becomes less impressive. The things become less accurate. And I find that very interesting. How is it at the beginnings of our history, some of the most impressive structures exist?

• 25:10Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. In just Egypt alone with the conventional timeline of 2500 B.C. for the Great Pyramid, doesn't make any sense.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  No, it doesn't. I think that they most likely settled around those pyramids.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  Most likely.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Most likely settled around them. And, you know, the scans, if these can be validated fully and empirically with digs and confirmation physically, then that changes everything.

• 25:32Joe Rogan?

  It changes everything. And you're seeing a lot of people spaz out online.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 25:37Joe Rogan?

  Wonderful to watch. It's been wonderful to watch because when people are under pressure, their real character gets revealed.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  And they're under a lot of pressure right now because those scans, that radiotomography or whatever the fuck it is.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Synthetic aperture radar, yeah.

• 25:49Joe Rogan?

  It's super accurate with stuff that we know exists.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  That's what's a real problem for these people. You want to believe it exists when it can map out all these chambers in the pyramid. You want to believe it exists when it can map out things that we know that exist 50 feet underground. You want to map, you're you're cool with that.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But one kilometer of subterranean, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Also, multiple scans from multiple.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Like over 200.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes. It's all the same message. They're getting the same message. There's pillars, enormous pillars. They have coils around them. What? Pillars with coils, all of them have coils?

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 26:27Joe Rogan?

  And the whole structure is like almost two kilometres deep into the earth?

• 26:31Speaker 01

  It's obscene. It's obscene, like laterally as well, like two kilometres of infrastructure, it's like the whole underground.

• 26:36Joe Rogan?

  Explain, help me out.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 26:38Joe Rogan?

  People with copper tools, help me out.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  And that was my frustration when it first came out, because when it came out, obviously, I did, I did some like research into the people involved in the Caffra Pyramid team, I found Filippo Bionde, I found his Harmonic SAR website where it has listed the things like the Mosul Dam in Iraq and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in Italy, places that they'd actually done scans prior to even the Great Pyramid, which was peer reviewed. Their 2020 scan of the Great Pyramid was a peer reviewed paper. And then you fast forward to now where they've got these ones and you have people like, you know, Flint Dibble on Piers Morgan going, "It's bullshit, it's pseudoscience, it's never been done before, it's never been tested." It's like, it has been done, it has been tested, it's actually got a patent, it's been peer reviewed in a paper.

• 27:18Joe Rogan?

  It's got military applications.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  It's got military applications, and Filippo Bionde, he works for the Italian government, like he's not some idiot. He's a very, very intelligent man, and he can speak on the science of this, like, you know, articulately, so.

• 27:29Joe Rogan?

  He works on top secret projects for the Italian military.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  I don't know if you caught like that little scene in Jesse's, where he was just like. He didn't even say a fucking word, man, like not a word.

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  Can you not talk about that? He just looks at him and he's like, okay, we'll just figure that out.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Like, that's, that's, that's when you know, man, that's when you know, but he's.

• 27:45Joe Rogan?

  What, whatever this is, everyone should be fascinated. You shouldn't be dismissing this if that's not even your field of expertise. It just shows what kind of a fucking weirdo you are. Like, what you should be doing is going, "Okay, how many scans do you have?"

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:00Joe Rogan?

  "You have 200 scans of this? Show me more, show me more, tell me what's going on, we should probably figure out what that is." If, imagine if the pyramids didn't exist, or imagine if it's like, you know, the Sphinx at one point in time was mostly covered with sand? Let's just imagine some crazy scenario where the entire pyramid structure is covered in sand, and nobody knows it exists, and then someone comes along and does a scan of the surface of the ground and says, You're not gonna fucking believe this. But there's some shit under there. Now, what if everybody goes, "That's ridiculous, that's preposterous." And they don't look.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 28:32Joe Rogan?

  And they don't look. We never find the thing that we all agree exists. Because you can go there, you could visit.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:38Joe Rogan?

  It's there, right? If that didn't exist, you'd never fucking believe in a million years, there's a structure with 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east and west. And you're dating it to somewhere around 4,000.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  I mean, that sounds like some pseudo-science conspiracy talk to me, Joe.

• 28:54Joe Rogan?

  Sounds like kookiness.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  Why is it more kooky to say these people not only were this advanced, they were even more advanced.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  More advanced, yeah.

• 29:01Joe Rogan?

  Way more, they were down into the ground, 2 kilometers. It might have been a power station.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Well, you know, Filippo thinks that. He seems to think that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology and using mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in the Great Pyramid and the plateau itself. Because what you have is a very interesting coupling between limestone and rose granite. So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics. And rose granite is, becomes electrical, piezoelectric, under mechanical stress. And acoustics are a form of mechanical stress. So there's like, certainly something to be said about the fact that the pyramids are acoustically tuned. Like, they're incredible inside the acoustics. And they've done lots of measurements and experiments on validating that, that it almost seems to go up in a perfect scale up to the King's Chamber.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  And then the King's Chamber itself, I believe, is focused around 110 to 115 hertz, which is interesting for neurological reasons in terms of influencing the brain. But on top of that, you have, again, this incredible coupling between limestone and rose quartz granite, where, under the right conditions, you absolutely could get energetic responses from that. But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge, which is really quite impressive. And when you look at places like the Osirian in Abydos, which is a kind of sunken down. Temple, we call everything a temple or a sacred site, but we really don't know, do we? It could be functional sites, it could be a power plant of some form, like you said. And the Assyrian in Abydos, next to it, you have the Seti I temple, which is incredible. It's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  And then you have this bare, faceless, megalithic place called the Assyrian, which is sunken down into the ground, perpetually filled with water. So they've tried to pump it out and it just fills back up again because it's connected down into the water table. And there's all these different shafts and hydrological kind of components in this site that they don't understand the full function of. And then you look at places like the Great Pyramid, where you go down to the bottom of the Great Pyramid, you have like the kind of core. And this whole area looks like it's been water eroded, as if it was flooded out repeatedly and used as some sort of like a pump or some sort of like sequencing area where you push water in and then let it out, push water in and let it out.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  And so Filippo thinks that maybe these spirals bringing water up, and if you're a thousand metres down, you're tapping into like ancient aquifers. So you could be drawing up a really impressive amount of like ancient, ancient water. And I just wonder if, same with Peru, there's something incredibly important about accessing this kind of water at the real depths of the earth. And they seem to have a real interest in doing that. So perhaps the pyramids are in some way like, I mean, if these spirals are real, it's like a plug, isn't it? It's like plugged into the earth, connected down into these aquifers. Perhaps it was utilizing water as an energetic medium through the materials.

• 31:55Joe Rogan?

  I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunn's work.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Oh, fantastic.

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  I had him on the podcast and he explained to us his theory. He's an engineer. And he started studying the structure of the pyramid. And his conclusion was the entire thing was probably used to generate energy. And it's like, what? But when he breaks it down in terms of, I'll butcher the math if I even try, but in terms of the dimensions, the way it's made, and the fact that you could have something that was down in the basement that was somehow or another creating a resonance.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 32:26Joe Rogan?

  That would have this effect, the shafts that go up straight out into space and the fact that there's evidence that they would possibly use these shafts to pour chemicals in and it would create gases and...

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Well, this is It's pretty nuts. It is nuts, but you know, I was, when I was, not the last time I was out in Egypt, but the time before then, I was out there with a guy called Jeffrey Drum. He's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem. And he's all about this in terms of the chemical mass manufacturing that he believes was going on in the pyramids and these other areas. And we filmed all of the, all of the coverage of that, if anyone wants to go and see it on our, on my YouTube channel. Taking us through areas in the Giza Plateau where you have an incredible concentration on the Giza Plateau of iron veins. And they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids. So if you go around the pyramids, you'll see these iron vein networks sort of flowing out from the central point. And these iron veins are heading down into what are called these boat pits.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  When you say iron veins, so like Like iron ore. Iron ore. Yeah, iron ore. It's on the surface, it's deep in the ground? I mean, there's some on the surface, so you can actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron that's kind of rusted out and oxidized. And you can, you can make it out, but surely it must be deeper as well. But it seems to be stretching out from the pyramids down into these Like it's emanating from the pyramids? So his theory is that they built the pyr We're going deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His, his theory is that they built the pyramids on top of these iron veins, particularly because this place was getting lightning strikes frequently. Oh, boy. Yeah, I know, I know, I know. It's a giant lightning rod. Dude, I mean, these things are built in a way and they were gold capped at one point, like high conductor. And gold is a really good conductor. Conductor of electricity.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  For electronics. And the Giza Plateau is covered in these conductive iron vein networks, which the pyramids do seem to be built upon. Now, this is, you know, his personal theory, but you know, he's an American. He's been living out in Cairo now for about six or seven years, I believe. He's been, he just decided to up and move out there and dedicate his life to exploring these places. And so he took us across, you know, all of these amazing areas and showed us things I'd never seen before in Egypt. But his theory on, on the, on the pyramids is similar to Christopher Dunn in terms of some form of chemical manufacturing taking place. And if you know, the original name for Egypt was Kemet. That's why this guy's got his YouTube channel, The Land of Chem. Kemet is the beginning of chemistry and alchemy.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  So this is one of the root words where we then got chemistry and alchemy from. So it is the land of chemistry and alchemy. That's bananas.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  There you go. Is this, uh... Oh, this is one of his videos. Great.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  This is the iron ore?

• 35:04Speaker 01

  So these are the... Yeah, I believe he's probably highlighting the iron veins, and these iron veins head out into what are called boat pits, which they believed in the mainstream interpretation.

• 35:13Joe Rogan?

  You're freaking me out with the land of Khem. That's... That is crazy. But when did they name that?

• 35:18Speaker 01

  I don't know when it was named that, but it was originally referenced as Khemet in some of the ancient Greek. And, you know, there's, there's, there's reference to it being called Khemet. K-H-E-M-E-T.

• 35:30Joe Rogan?

  And it really means the same thing?

• 35:31Speaker 01

  It's what people believe is the continuation of alchemy and chemistry, because you get so much alchemy from Egypt. And obviously, this is the place where you get Hermes, Trismagistus, and Hermeticism, and the philosopher's stone kind of leaks out from these types of areas. So I, I think that there is a lot to suggest. Plus, we actually know in the mainstream that they were incredible chemists, like regardless of exotic forms of chemistry, that we know they were using acids and natron baths and things like this. Like, the Egyptians knew what they were doing even from the perspective that we understand, regardless of getting a little bit deeper into it, but yeah.

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, and you're talking about Egyptians like Cleopatra times.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Right, so like, we know that they were doing it, exactly.

• 36:09Joe Rogan?

  Historically.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah.

• 36:11Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's why it's so strange. Like, if this structure is proved to be real, if they start an excavation and they, they have irrefutable proof, like, without a doubt, there's some man-made structures that are beyond description, underneath the ground. What happens now? Like, what does everybody do? Like, what, what do all these dorks that think that that's a tomb?

• 36:37Joe Rogan?

  What do you do?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  What do you do at that point?

• 36:38Joe Rogan?

  What do you do to all those dorks that think, like, it makes sense that they built that? It was a national pastime. It's a national project. Come on, bro. Settle the fuck down.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  I think at that point, you have, you, you have to give in a little bit.

• 36:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the pyramids uniquely stand as, uh, like an intelligence test. Because they are so crazy. When you have stones that are so large, that are taken from quarries hundreds of miles away.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  500 miles away.

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  A lot of these people supposedly didn't even have the wheel. So what is this? What, you don't think this is crazy? Like, this isn't, this isn't like, oh, we know they used the wood from these trees to build these homes. Like, this is bananas.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, whole other level.

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• 39:11Speaker 01

  And one of the things that is said so much, but I guess is kind of shrugged off just because it's said so much, but it's actually a really important point to highlight. There are no fucking hieroglyphs in the pyramids. Not one. There's not a single symbol, not a single element of what we would understand to be dynastic Egypt. And so like you have this incredible contradiction when you go to places like the Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens. Gold and, you know, it's adorned in patterns. You can't see a square inch of stone where there isn't something filled to venerate these people. And yet the pyramids are bare. Bear and you know when you go inside them you're gonna go to Egypt, are you gonna go?

• 39:46Joe Rogan?

  Eventually, yeah.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you when you go inside them, it just feels mechanical, it feels functional. It's you know, big port colossus of rose granite and these shafts going off perfectly vertical off into you can't even see and there's nothing about it that feels spiritual or funerary at all, at all.

• 40:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, just looking at it, it looks to me like an advancement of what we are that's almost like indescribable, like a thousand year advancement of where we are currently to build something like that.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:21Joe Rogan?

  It seems so nuts and there's obviously stuff that doesn't seem as nuts, it's just beautiful and impressive.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, just like the Colosseum in Rome is.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 40:29Joe Rogan?

  Or like, you know, the Acropolis.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 40:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, all those things are fascinating and incredible craftsmanship and engineering and architecture, amazing.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:40Joe Rogan?

  But then there's Egypt and you go, shut the fuck up, like what is that? That's nuts.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I resent the idea that we're like taking it away from them, it's like let's just be logical about this and actually assess the toolkit and assess the capabilities and then look at the evidence of what we're seeing.

• 40:54Joe Rogan?

  Also, we're not because it's people that lived in the same place, so it's literally just the older versions of them.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 41:00Joe Rogan?

  It's not like you're saying, you know, Chinese people came and they did it all and then they flew back.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 41:04Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not what anybody's saying.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  We're just saying it's your more ancient ancestors.

• 41:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's your ancestors, not, we're just, the timeline's off. The timeline seems funky. Clearly, there were some amazing things that the Egyptians did during the accepted timeline. I mean, they were a fascinating culture.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Amazing, amazing.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  All through till the end.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the, when you go really far back, whatever that is, is nuts. And when you're saying that you know exactly when it was dated, when there's so much evidence of just today, modern, doing these reconstructions and fixing and all the, the, the, the feet of the Sphinx and they're covering it with new fucking rocks, like, they've always been doing renovations, they always do. So all this stuff that you're saying, like you, we got a piece of wood from inside one of the cracks, like, bitch, that doesn't mean anything.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 41:53Joe Rogan?

  You can't date those rocks.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  Unless you get under those motherfuckers to the bottom and take a chunk of organic material from deep underneath that thing, so you can know when the first stones are placed, you don't know, you're guessing.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  And I think that that's why we're coming to a point now with such resistance from the mainstream. When you see scans like this, because they've they've built themselves into a wall. It would you basically have to admit, yeah, we're just fucking wrong.

• 42:22Joe Rogan?

  You're also seeing them confronted by real evidence.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, real evidence. And like, just when someone takes you for a walk inside the King's Chamber, and you look up at those stones, that somehow they go like, how high are they in the sky?

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  How high are they in the ceiling? How high are they? Do you remember?

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Oh, god, no, I don't, sorry.

• 42:40Joe Rogan?

  What, eighty ton stones?

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, eighty tons in the King's Chamber, eighty tons.

• 42:44Joe Rogan?

  How tall, let's look.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  And that's near the apex, that is near the apex.

• 42:48Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, please put this into perplexity. How tall is the ceiling inside the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid?

• 42:57Joe Rogan?

  Because these things are perfectly placed in there. Like, even if you drag those somehow or another across the mountains for five hundred miles and got it to the pyramid, how the fuck did you get it up there?

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  How'd you get them all to line up? How many people got squished? Chamber itself spans ten point five meters long by five point two meters wide. How tall is the ceiling? Uh, nineteen feet.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Nineteen feet, but it's also but it's also near the top of the pyramid. It's incredibly high up in the pyramid as well. They had to lift it to that point.

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  You have to get these eighty ton blocks nineteen feet and then place them perfectly.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  And and there's absolutely, again, there's nothing kingly about the King's Chamber at all. It's just completely a bare room of rose granite with this sarcophagus coming up out of the out of the floor with a huge chunk missing. And actually, if you look at where that huge chunk is missing and you turn around and you look at the wall, there's actually a massive impact on the wall. There's like a big part of the wall that's been broken off. So it makes you wonder if maybe that was jettisoned off at some point from power or, you know.

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, what do you think is in that, what they call the sarcophagus? Do you have a theory?

• 44:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I've been inside it, there's nothing inside of it.

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  You got in it?

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I laid I laid down inside of it.

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of creepy.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  With a Grand Master of the Templar Order chanting over me.

• 44:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fun.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. That was my first trip to Egypt.

• 44:16Joe Rogan?

  Take a video of that and put it up on X and no one's ever gonna take you seriously again. They're like, well, this guy's a fucking kook.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  I am. I am a kook.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have to be a kook.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  You know, yeah.

• 44:27Joe Rogan?

  You have to be a kook to really.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  You do.

• 44:30Joe Rogan?

  Enjoy this.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  And you have to be on the fringe. And also, I think, some of the most impressive scientists and creators have been people on the fringe who were laughed at by all their peers.

• 44:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially now, because the way universities work is essentially there's a person that is the most important person in that field, right, at that university. And there's a bunch of people that want grants, and there's a bunch of people that want to play nice, and they want their career, they want tenure. And you've got to be careful whose toes you step on. And if this one guy is the gatekeeper of it, or a group of guys like him at various universities are the gatekeepers to this information. You're going to come up with the current bottleneck problem that we see, where people are not just unwilling, but aggressively attacking people that question this. Which is why they called Graham Hancock's show the most dangerous show on television. Like, that is so crazy. You have so many shows where people get murdered.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  That's the best way to make a show go viral, though, isn't it? Best way to make a show go viral. Don't fucking watch this show. Like, you know what I mean?

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  Great job.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Great job on the PR.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  They did a great job.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  But it does bring up a disturbing and worrying element of it, just how quickly the mainstream media in various outlets all aligned at once to call him everything from a racist to a pseudoscientist to a conspiracy theorist. And, you know, it is an alarming kickback that he's taken in his stride profoundly.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  Profoundly. He's a wonderful guy. I love him to death.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  I can't wait to speak to him. I literally missed him by like three days when I went out to Peru. I was gutted.

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  He was my first real guest.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was, wasn't he?

• 45:56Joe Rogan?

  Me and him and Duncan. We had so much fun.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, that must have been such a... I need to re-watch that.

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  He flew in right from England. We got him to drive to my house.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  And then, once he got to my house, we ordered pizza. We all ate pizza. And I couldn't believe I'm hanging out with Graham Hancock. I was so giddy.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  I bet.

• 46:12Joe Rogan?

  It was like one of the first actual guests.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Giddy moments, like, you know, you're just like, I can't believe I'm actually sitting with this dude.

• 46:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because the guests before that had mostly been comics.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  Or some person that I thought was interesting. You know, some guy that I met at the Comedy Store. I'm like, what do you do? You're a therapist and what do you give people? How's it work? Come on over.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Come and talk to me about it. Yeah, yeah.

• 46:31Joe Rogan?

  I did a lot of those. But he was, I think, the first real guest.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Was there like a choice, like a conscious decision for you to kind of like evolve it from just, you know, comedians talking shop to actually getting different guests on from a variety of subjects? Because I know you're a curious person. You've probably been researching these things even at the point before you were doing that kind of podcast, because... Well, clearly you were, but yeah, like, what was the natural evolution of that for you?

• 46:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, I was always into books about ancient history and whether it's, you know, like, modernly, you know, commonly accepted narrative or Graham Hancock stuff. But I got into Graham Hancock stuff, I think in the nineties, Fingerprints of the Gods came out.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 47:09Joe Rogan?

  And I fucking loved it. I was so fascinated by it. I couldn't shut the fuck up about it. I would tell people, they're like, you gotta see this. Like, I think this guy's right. I think we're, we are a history with amnesia, or a race with amnesia.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Race and amnesia, yeah.

• 47:22Joe Rogan?

  And then, of course, I watched Charades of the Gods, that film, which I thought was very kooky and fun. It's very campy and fun. And here's the thing about that. I dismissed it for a long time and I said it's nonsense. And I was, I actually had lunch once. Eric Weinstein took me to lunch at Peter Thiel's house, where we talked to Von Daniken.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  It was fun, fun conversation, like, interesting. I'm talking to, he's a full-on true believer.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Von Daniken?

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, fully.

• 47:57Joe Rogan?

  Of the alien theory, the ancient aliens theory. And back, see, I've gone in like multiple stages in my cognitive dissonance. And for a while, I was all in with the aliens.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  I hear you, I'm the same, though.

• 48:09Joe Rogan?

  And then, for a while, I was like, no, no, no. There was an advanced civilization and we're just rebuilding of that civilization. And that's probably why we're so barbaric. And now, I'm like, why are they mutually exclusive?

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Right, it could be a mix.

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  At one point, the gods walked amongst us, you know?

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  Right. And that's when I see the things like the tridactyl mummies and I'm like, okay, okay, okay, what is that? What are we talking? Why is Peru so weird? Why do they have artwork that you can only see from the sky? Like, there's a lot of weird shit going on here. Like, don't, don't be so quick to jump.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly.

• 48:43Joe Rogan?

  So, but my point is, like, I have always been fascinated by stories, first of all, any subject that makes you ridiculous for considering it. I'm always like... What's that about?

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:56Joe Rogan?

  Why, why, why is that ridiculous?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Scratch that itch a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

• 48:58Joe Rogan?

  Even the kooky ones, like ghosts.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:01Joe Rogan?

  Bigfoot, all the kooky ones. Like, why? What's the, what's the resistance?

• 49:05Speaker 01

  I had a Russian astronaut tell me a Bigfoot story.

• 49:08Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:09Joe Rogan?

  What'd he say?

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Pinch of salt, but he, he claimed that he'd been told this by a military guy out in, in Russia that a, they were, they were in the rec room of this like air force base and apparently, this is according to this Russian astronaut trainer at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Moscow. And he said that this, this yeti Sasquatch type being apparently just waltzed in, like just walked into their rec room, helped itself to some water from the water thing, waved and then vanished. I don't know.

• 49:48Joe Rogan?

  So this guy, what was his job?

• 49:50Speaker 01

  He was a trainer of astronauts at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Star City, Moscow.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they probably dosed him up with so many fucking.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  They did.

• 49:58Joe Rogan?

  NK Ultra drugs.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

  If you're, you're holding on to that kind of information.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Interesting story.

• 50:03Joe Rogan?

  They probably experiment on you.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 50:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:06Joe Rogan?

  They probably gave that guy some acid.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  I've never, I've never given the Sasquatch thing. It's, it's due course in researching it, to be honest. I've been very dismissive of that, but maybe it's real.

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  I have.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  I mean, maybe, you know, I mean, like the.

• 50:16Joe Rogan?

  I have.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  The demographic behind it.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  I used to have a Sasquatch Bigfoot footprint, like a cast.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:23Joe Rogan?

  Like a plaster cast on the desk. That, rest in peace, Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum. He just recently died. I had him on the, as a guest on the show once too. He's, he's so crazy. I told him, I asked him if he was so crazy, but in a wonderful way. I, I said, if, if you could cut a finger off to know that Sasquatch was real, would you do it? He goes, oh, yes.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, instantly.

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck? It's your finger. Don't say yes to that.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Fuck it.

• 50:48Joe Rogan?

  The information just comes out and you don't have to lose a finger.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Damn it. Just sitting there with half a finger.

• 50:54Joe Rogan?

  I think Bigfoot was a real thing.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  I think that's why there's something like.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Do you think it was just like some sort of like branch of creature? Cause there's so many people think it's like an interdimensional being or.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  It could be that too, but I think it's Gigantopithecus initially.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  Gigantopithecus was an absolute real thing that we didn't even know existed until the, I believe it was the twenties.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, around then.

• 51:13Joe Rogan?

  They find its teeth in an apothecary shop in China and then they started researching it and finding where the dig sites were. And, you know, they found jaw bones that indicate that it was bipedal. So this is a bipedal hominid that's eight to 10 feet tall.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:26Joe Rogan?

  But what is that? That's Bigfoot.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  That is Bigfoot.

• 51:28Joe Rogan?

  And that's probably, and also this thing 100% lived around modern human beings. Like what we are today, it lived around us. So imagine you see one of those things. Well, first of all, you're gonna fucking run like hell. You're gonna have stories. This thing lives in the, in the woods or in the jungle. Stay out of this spot. That's where this thing lives. And that's gonna be passed on from generation to generation to generation until even after they're gone. Now it's just a whisper. Now it's just a thing. It's now it's a mystery man that lives in the woods.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Are there like, are there like antiquated Bigfoot stories like outside of just modern?

• 52:01Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, without a doubt, especially Native American cultures.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  That's what's interesting is like Native American tribes, there's multiple, obviously many different tribes, many different languages, right? They all have a word for this thing. That, like, let's put this into perplexity.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:19Joe Rogan?

  How many different Native American names are there for, for Bigfoot? Cause I believe Sasquatch is a Native American. I don't know which tribe had that, but there's multiple different names for this hairy creature that lives in the woods. But they don't have names for like a giraffe that lives in the woods. They don't have like other mystical animals, mythical creatures. Just have this one.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  And this one is a fucking weird one.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I mean with the interdimensional aspect. It's treated differently than just an animal even from like.

• 52:51Joe Rogan?

  That might be real too. This is part of the problem. It's like, we might be dealing with multiple different things. It might not even be Gigantopithecus. Sasquatch, Skookum, that's right. I've heard that. Omar. That's right. There was a movie called Omar. The guy who did the American Werewolf in London.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  That's just the last words you say when you see Bigfoot. Omar!

• 53:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:12Joe Rogan?

  Chai, Tanaka, Big Elder Brother. Seventy to eighty names. Wicked Cannibal, oh boy. Windago, Wicked Cannibal. Yeah, Windago, I've heard that one. Windago. Yeah, I've heard that one before. And Yetisho, how to say that? Yetisso? Yetisso? Big God, and that's a Navajo name. So there's a bunch of different, there's a bunch underneath that, too. Yeah, like, so it's about seventy to eighty names when accounting for variants across fifty tribes. Okay, so what is that? And it's the same with the alien grays, like the ant people. Yes. Well, and then it brings to the same thing, like, it brings us to the same subject of what if there is a way to traverse dimensions?

• 53:53Joe Rogan?

  What if this is not some, as simple as something gets in a spaceship and it comes here from another planet? What if it's coming from another place? And what if that doorway is open to other things? And what if some of those things are Sasquatch? Like, and under the right conditions, this pathway is open. And maybe it's not even something that actually exists, but you can see. Exists in our tangible timeline, but you can see under heavy stress. Under, like, anxiety. And imagine, what gets you more stressed out than being in the woods at night? Right? The woods at night creates a lot of anxiety for people, because there's all these sounds and you're looking around. It's dark, you're vulnerable, especially if you live in real woods, like woods that have predators in them. It's sketchy.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  And I bet there's different states of mind that you would, if, if there are, if, is, if there's some sort of a possibility, some sort of a way, that a, an intelligent creature can get to a point where it has the technology to access other dimensions. It can go into other spaces. Would you even be able to see it all the time? Would you only be able to see it if you were, like, under a highly anxious state in the woods? You're kind of a little freaked out, you're more open to weird things, and then it senses that and communicates with you?

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Well, we are.

• 55:16Joe Rogan?

  Sounds kooky.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  We're dominated by our perception and we have such a narrow bandwidth of visual perception. You know, you get up the whole light spectrum and look at visible light, just this tiny corridor of visible light that we're able to see. Obviously, we've developed IR and, you know, different, and if you film the night sky with infrared, you get weird shit. You get these orbs and things that seem to fly by. And I think that it is a perceptual thing because the reason I even started my YouTube channel is because I've had my own experiences with UFO-type phenomena that were entirely initiated by me. Like, I asked for them to come and they did.

• 55:57Joe Rogan?

  See, that sounds kooky. I'll take that clip, dismiss you immediately. This guy's a quack.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Can't wait for it.

• 56:02Joe Rogan?

  But this is one of the things that people have been saying for a long time, is that there's, there's actual groups of people, and there was even some guy who was like, somehow or another connected to the government, that was saying that they lead these people out, they go out into the desert, and they have like some sort of a secret frequency. He didn't want to discuss it, that they can push out, they can send out the secret frequency, and it'll call them in, and that other people have done it simply by willing them in.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I did.

• 56:33Joe Rogan?

  So, sitting there and putting out this message that you're trying to communicate with them, and then eventually they show up.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I can't speak to technologically assisted psionics and all that kind of stuff, but, um, do you want to hear my UFO story?

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  First of all, where, did you come up with this idea on your own, or did you hear about people doing this?

• 56:52Speaker 01

  No, I, I heard of it from someone who's a quite polarizing figure in the UFO community. I know you've spoken to him, Dr. Stephen Greer, but I would.

• 57:00Joe Rogan?

  Polarizing people are right sometimes.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  He's right on this.

• 57:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they could be right on a lot of things.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  He's right on this, and, you know, I, I, I know that a lot of people have issues with, with Greer, but I, he was actually my intro into the UFO subject, so I'll tell you the story. Sorry about my throat. Let me just take a sip of water, actually. So, um.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  This was a How did he find out about it? It's a good question. He had a near death experience, I believe, and from that was actually apparently communicated to and shown things that when he came out of that experience, he became a Samadhi type, you know, teacher. Of course. You know, got profoundly interested in. That's a great origin story. Brilliant origin story. My origin story was I was really bored during COVID. No, so like honestly, though, it was actually in 2019 that I had these experiences and I I do think that it's very important to lay a bit of foundational groundwork because I think a lot of people will recognize this as well. And it's something that you mentioned with Bigfoot being in a high stress environment in the forest. Maybe that changes your perception.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  And I I think that there's a degree of trauma and a degree of intense emotional moments that can bring about paranormal experiences. I don't know why, but it does seem to be something that a lot of people relate to. Yes, I was in a very dark time. Yes, I was having a very traumatic time. Or yes, I was going through something and then this happened. And so for me, I was in my third year of university and struggling, just had a whole mix of personal issues going on. So I I ended up kind of dropping out before I finished and was just in a really bad rut. And my dad was worried about me and he he said, look, I'm I'm out in, this is a bit of a long story, but it's important to the latest foundation, I think, before I talk about what I actually experienced because it plays in. My dad was

• 58:47Speaker 01

  worried. He was out in France at the time and he said, look, do you want to come out and stay at this place with me and just, you know, kind of relax and bring yourself back to normal? I was like, yeah, okay. So I came out and he was like, I've got these books that I've been reading. I think they'd be really beneficial for you. You should read them. And I was like, okay, like, you know, I don't see how a book's going to change. Does he often recommend books? Not massively, no. In fact, no, no. This was the only time he recommended books, which is interesting. And they were a series of books called Conversations with God by Neil Donald Walsh. Have you ever heard of them? No. Okay, so it's interesting. It kind of ties into, I suppose, the channeled works, things that people believe they received. Oh, wait a minute, I have heard of this. He's quite well known. He's quite well known.

• 59:29Speaker 01

  He was a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident, became homeless, finally managed to get back on his feet, but was still struggling, wrote an angry letter to God, and then apparently woke up at three o'clock in the morning and was having like voices literally telling him to write things down. And so he wrote all of this down, and this became conversations with God. It's literally a dialogue of him asking questions and him receiving answers, which he interpreted as from God. Now, that is intense, and I'm definitely not here to say this is a Bible and everyone should read it. However, it was incredibly impactful for me at that time. The things that I was reading about, it was a very different idea of God, universal consciousness leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal cloud living figure that just never made sense to me. So it got me in, and I was reading

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  it, and it helped tremendously, weirdly enough, which I didn't expect. And that put me on a path towards researching metaphysics and philosophy and science and consciousness. And that's where it really started for me. But then a couple of years down the line, I found myself in another depression, in a sense, because I felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information about various different topics that I thought were like these big questions and big answers and big esoteric things. And I just got to a point where I was like, none of this is actually helping me in my life. In fact, I'm actually feeling like fucking worse for looking into all of this thing. I don't know how this is going to benefit me. So I was sitting on my bed one night, and I just, I guess you could call it a prayer, I just sat on my bed and said out loud to the universe, like, I need

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  something that validates all of this. Like, if I'm meant to be looking into these big picture questions about the universe and consciousness, if there's something tangible here, like, I need to know, and I want evidence, and I'm ready for it. So give me it, I want that. And then a week later, my best friend at the time, he was like, hey, I was watching this documentary, you've got to check it out, it's called Unacknowledged by this guy called Dr. Stephen Greer. And this is my first introduction to the UFO subject. So I was like, okay, cool. Sit down, watch that. Very good documentary, all of these different, you know, high level officers and missile launch guys talking about UFOs. It got me in. And then, near the end of that, is when he brings up this concept of CE5, you know,

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  initiating contact with these. You can actually have your own experiences by getting into a particular meditative state. If I hadn't been making that request on my bed the week prior, I probably just would have watched that documentary and gone about my life, but it felt like a very strong message to me personally because I'd been asking for something to validate these ideas around consciousness. Now there's a guy saying, yeah, you can actually have an experience by going out and attempting to, you know, ask for one.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  So talk me through the process of actually doing that.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  So he has.

• 1:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Did you get it on the first try?

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:02:11Joe Rogan?

  How many times did you try?

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  It was a weird gradual thing where things were happening in the sky that were enough to keep me going out, but not enough for me to be like, okay, this is legit.

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  So like, how many times did you go out before it worked?

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Before I saw what I really, really saw, probably about a month of going out.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Damn, that's commitment.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  But I was seeing things, but they weren't, it was kind of just enough to make me like, okay.

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  What were you seeing?

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Lots of what the contact community call flashbulbs, flashes of light in the night sky in a void of space repeatedly without any discernible object attached to it, just one flash and then send a thought, another flash, send a thought, another flash. And this happened multiple times. I've been somebody who watches the night sky all my life. I'm used to seeing satellites. I know what.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  How long would you sit out there for?

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  Maybe an hour, two hours, you know?

• 1:03:06Joe Rogan?

  And so you sit down, are you seated?

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  No, I'd usually be standing with my neck craned to the sky, but I would be.

• 1:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you get a lounge chair?

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  I know, I know. I don't know. I don't think about things properly sometimes when I do them.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  How about just lay down on the ground?

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  Just lay on the grass, right?

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Get a better view of the sky?

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's cold in England and it was mildewy on the floor.

• 1:03:29Joe Rogan?

  Get a tarp.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, but I was. I was essentially because of, again, being, asking, asking the universe for something. The universe seemed to be giving me some sort of response. It kind of lit a fire up under me and I started going outside. And honestly, a lot of people, like even Greer has this incredibly, you know, complicated method using Samadhi and, you know, doing various things. I didn't do any of that. I just breathed in through the nose and out through the mouth until I felt very calm. And then began to very clearly model my thoughts around the concept of I want something to respond to me. And then I would essentially visualize that that was emanating from me, that these thoughts were emanating from me.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  And it didn't take very long before I'd have flashes of light in the sky that just seemed weird because I've never seen anything like that. Or an incredible influx of what look and behave like satellites, but just at an incredibly high level. Which is like, what, what's going on here? And it just felt like a kind of step by step progression. Until in August of two thousand and nineteen, I had four incredibly vivid and real experiences with orange orbs of light.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Really profound. What was that? What happened? So I was outside. At this point, it had become my routine. It was in the summer of August and it was relatively warm, so I was out doing this quite a lot. Seeing little flashes, seeing things in the sky, trying to figure out what exactly it was that I was seeing. And I was standing at the back of my garden, looking towards my house, night sky, crystal clear. And I saw at the beginning a flash of light in, in the corner of the sky. So I looked over and I saw this flash, another flash, another flash, and it was just blinking, but it was static in space. And then it started moving down. Every time it blinked, it would move further down.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  And I was observing this. And then it settled above two stars and kind of created the apex of a triangle. And it was just flashing above these two stars. And I was watching this for a while and it happened for long enough where I just decided, all right, I'm just. Thank you, whatever you are, I'm just gonna keep panning around the sky here and looking around. And as I pan my head, I saw that there was a cloud, but I didn't really look at it. And I turn around here, come back, and I see this cloud again. And this time, I really look at it, and this cloud, Joe, had, so strange, it's like a dark cloud. But when you stared at it, it had a staticky appearance. It's very hard to describe, other than imagine a light overlay of TV static.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  There was particles, it was agitated, it was shimmering, not a cloud, certainly not anything I've ever seen in my life. And if we pretend this microphone is my house, and this cloud is here, it's drifting this way. So eventually, it's gonna drift past my house and go this way, at least according to its natural trajectory. It gets to my house, and it does a right angle turn, and it starts coming towards me. So eventually, it's gonna be above my head, this cloud-like formation. A cloud does a right angle turn in the sky? Abrupt, as in ninety degrees. It's going like this, and now it's going like this towards you. High up in the sky, but it's now in my path, complete ninety-degree shift from its trajectory.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  And I saw it, like a jarring, now it's going this way. Okay, so at this point, I'm rooted in place, not really scared, but I'm shocked at the fact that this thing did what it just did. And I'm watching as it's coming closer and closer, you know, towards where I'm gonna be eventually. It's directly above my head. It sounds so crazy, and you know, Terrence McKenna said something like this. He was like, you know, if you tell the unvarnished truth about a UFO experience, you'll be taken for a fool. And it's like, it's true, you know, if you just tell people what really happened. But this is what really happened, so this cloud comes above my head.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  As it's directly above my head, this cloud, like sucked into itself, as if there was a central vacuum, a central point where it just got sucked into itself. And it revealed a triangle formation of about twenty-five, maybe thirty, orange orbs of light in a triangle.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  And this triangle, basically the cloud went, triangle was revealed, it kept moving. I had to turn around and watch as it went off in this direction. And as I was watching it, I could see that some of these orbs were actually swapping formation, swapping position in this formation. And that was the first time I saw them. I saw them three other occasions, all within the space of a month after this. Weirdly enough, I woke up the next day and this is the only element of the story, as crazy as the whole thing sounds, is the only element that makes me personally uncomfortable.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  I was getting out of the shower and as I was drying myself off, immediately, immediately noticed where this tattoo is now. There was a triangle mark of three red, three red marks, one here, one here, one here. Very vivid, like in, like.

• 1:08:35Joe Rogan?

  And you covered it up with a tattoo?

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  Well, it faded, it faded over time. I have taken pictures of it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Is it clear?

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Can I see it?

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Uh, I can try and find them, yeah. I haven't got my internet on right now.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  Jamie, if you go onto my X account and just type in, uh,

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Jay Anderson marks on arm, maybe that will come up. I'm sorry, I should have really sent that ahead of time, but I do have images online. People have seen them and I've discussed it many times.

• 1:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Did it look like a wound?

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  This is the thing, so.

• 1:09:08Joe Rogan?

  A tattoo?

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  So, three red marks, no bump, no scab, no itching, no feeling of discomfort. There was a slight shine to them, as if it was almost like a healed over burn. And this was very vivid. It didn't dissipate for over a year. It was on my arm for about a year before it faded away, eventually faded away. And then I got home, he's Trismagister's tattooed on my arm.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Weirdly enough, I got this tattoo and then got invited to Egypt. But yeah, I had these experiences. I had another experience where they came down and hovered above my house.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Can I ask you this? So these orbs, there's.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  There you go, there you go. Thanks Jamie, thanks for that.

• 1:09:53Joe Rogan?

  That is weird. It looks like you burned three cigarettes on your arm.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  That's what some asshole online definitely claimed, but I didn't.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  That's what I would say too, if I was an asshole online.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  But that's crazy.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, this, this, I noticed it immediately. I'm not particularly comfortable with it. I don't know what it really means. I really, I'm a bit of an idiot, Joe, cause like, you know, I should have gone to a dermatologist. I should have like actually had someone look at it.

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  You got branded, but like cattle, son.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Well, that's kind of what I think, and at the same time.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  They're like, let's keep an eye on this one.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Can I even be mad at them? I was like, show me, show me, give me evidence, I wanna sign. Fuck it, fine then.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  There you go dude.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  I would say whatever that is on your arm, who knows? Maybe a dermatologist could explain it, it's just a coincidence. But the, the actual thing itself is far more interesting to me. And like, cause one of the things that people always say is if they were out there, what wouldn't we see them? Like, God, if they could come here from another dimension, or if they can come here from another planet, or another solar system, don't you think they could probably hide? Like, we're pretty good at hiding. Like, don't you think, like, we have, we have technology right now, like the stealth bomber stuff, that diminishes the radar signal.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:11:05Joe Rogan?

  You can't, you can't pick them up on radar. So, why would it be impossible to somehow or another manipulate your visual field, project what looks like clouds on the outside? We know that we can do stuff like that with plasma. Like, they can, they have these plasma things that can spin in the sky. It's weird, they can make objects out of them.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  I wonder if that was plasma? I actually do wonder if this was a form of self-organizing plasma. Uh, cause that's definitely something that people have looked into quite extensively.

• 1:11:33Joe Rogan?

  Maybe plasma has intelligence.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  There's some, yeah.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Yes, and, and the, you know, perhaps these are a form of individuated plasmic intelligences that can interact. And, and one thing that's very interesting about that, there was a brilliant paper, actually, I did, I did a video on it. Um, it's like 11 different scientific institutes looking at, um, the idea of self-organizing plasma and intelligent plasma. And they were using some references, like, do you know the STS 75 NASA missions? Where the tether broke and you had all these strange things going around the tether?

• 1:12:03Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  So that's dismissed as ice particles and things like that. Have you ever seen the motion tracking version of that, where someone actually attached the flight paths of each object, so you can see the flight path?

• 1:12:13Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  That's crazy, because then...

• 1:12:15Joe Rogan?

  Can we see it?

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sure if Jamie looks up...

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  That is a weird one, because it seems like... Lights are going towards that thing and checking it out.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this is, you know, this is a gigantic tether, I think it's like two kilometres long or something, it's absolutely insane, it broke away from the ship, and as it broke away, you had these, well, what some people believe to be UFOs or plasmic intelligences, or if you're on the mainstream side, you'd see these ice particles, there you go, if you go slightly further back, slightly further back, there you go, just as that green one's starting up, this is the flight path, so if you just take it back to the beginning of that, and this is where they've attached the flight paths, and you will see complete 90-degree turns, you'll see absolute stops and reversals of change, and it's incredible.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if it's just a kind of life that we don't assume exists and it just lives in space?

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  I think so, I really do.

• 1:13:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, the things they find at these volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean, like, oh, we didn't even know that something could survive down here, there could be a type of life that survives in the void of space, and it just, it wouldn't be a biological thing, it would be some form of energy or light.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Wow, this is apparently what all the spooks were telling Tom DeLonge when he went to the Pentagon, that there's amoebas in space the size of whales, and like, you know, that these things were essentially...

• 1:13:36Joe Rogan?

  That's what they told him?

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember, I remember when he was on, he was on Fate or Black, and he was talking about, you know, that there are these amoebas in space that are like, you know...

• 1:13:44Joe Rogan?

  But why would they tell him, and then he goes on those shows and tells, like, I feel like that's the type of guy that you tell some things that you want to get out. Yeah, and it doesn't necessarily have to be true.

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:13:56Joe Rogan?

  As a matter of fact, it's more fun if it's not true, and make him say as much kooky shit as possible, so that the stuff that he's gonna say that's true looks ridiculous.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  And now all of those guys that gave him that information.

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• 1:16:13Joe Rogan?

  You're playing a bunch of weird puzzles and you're trying to figure it out, but nothing is what it seems.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  I think nothing's as it seems. I think with with Tom DeLonge and the UFO subject and Tudor Stars Academy and all the things that have happened since like 2017, New York Times, it's I have I have opinions on it because I think I might be the first guest that you've had on that wasn't already quite established. So I've had to work my way up through social media, through the interactions in the community to, you know, personal relations with people that aren't big names or anything like that. You know, I've had to work my way up it. So I've seen and been exposed to things that perhaps people like Jeremy Corbell and others who are already quite big names haven't seen because they're too big. They don't need to be on social media looking at fucking comments or like, you know, what's going on in the X space.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  But if you are like that, you start to notice things. And so what's interesting to me, despite what anyone wants to say about Stephen Greer, and I've got my own issues with Stephen Greer, what's interesting to me is that the only person really who was making noise prior to TTSa was Stephen Greer. He was the one that was putting out Netflix documentaries that were getting seen by millions of people all over the world. And he was saying, you know, these are black budget illegal programs. This is a anti congressional crime against humanity. We need to be busting down the doors. This is, you know, not exactly what they would want to hear if they were inside the national security state and there's this guy out there saying this. What do you do about that? Well, do you know how Tom DeLonge got linked up at the very beginning to all of this?

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  So he's always been a UFO guy and because of his background and, you know, the money, he was able to secure connections and he was very friendly with Greer. He was best buds with Greer at one point. In fact, there's a video of him when he's quite young and he's pointing out all of the witness UFO witness tapes that he's got on his on his in his library. And he's like, you know, these are all I'm holding on to these for a guy. He's got like 50 whistleblowers. He's bringing this all out. And this is before Greer, you know, kind of made the announcement. So it's obviously Greer. And Tom DeLonge's on Fade to Black in, I want to say, 2015, talking about this, where he tells a story of how a friend of his at Lockheed Martin calls him up and says, "Hey, we're having a family and friends meet and greet over at Lockheed Martin. Would

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  you want to introduce the bosses to the stage?" And he said, "Yeah, but I want 10 minutes with your bosses afterwards." And they were like, "Okay." And so he went and he introduced them on stage. And then he tells a story of being taken through, you know, these white noise corridors and down into this place where eventually he was chilling with the guys at Skunk Works. And, you know, these big directors are all sitting in this room. "All right, okay. What is it you want to talk about?" This is where he pitches to the Stars Academy of Arts and Science and this framework. And what's interesting is on the radio, when he's talking about this, he's saying, "You have to approach these guys like you want to be of service." You know, I was saying, "I'm being of service. I want to, I want

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  to help. I want to help." So you've got a disruptive rogue person out there, Stephen Greer, saying all this stuff, causing commotion. "What do we do about that?" "I have no idea." Suddenly, in walks a rock star. "Use me." Because that's basically what he said. "Use me. I'm happy to do whatever. I am your conduit into the public." Now, no disrespect to Tom. I've met him. He's a lovely guy and he's very passionate about the subject. But I do think he was used. And what you get from there is the Tudor Stars Academy platform. Suddenly, you have this official kind of greenlit disclosure, very soft disclosure. There's nothing like Stephen Greer's disclosure. And we're all being encouraged to partake

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  and support in this very, what should we say, curated method of soft disclosure for the people. I think that they were very worried about what type of disruptive truths might come out before it was time to talk about them. And then suddenly, Tom DeLonge was a very useful medium for communicating this. And when you see things like the WikiLeaks emails between him and John Podesta, where he's literally saying, "This is about bolstering PR for the military industrial complex from a disenfranchised youth. And, you know, the generations of youth today don't trust the government. We want to change that. We want to change the perception of the military and the government." He's literally emailing John Podesta about this. So it's very clear that, at the very least, he was willing to be the messenger of whatever message they wanted to give him.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  And it just so happens that that message completely counteracts what Greer is talking about in terms of classified black budget programs that have already cracked reverse engineering, we cracked anti-gravity in October 1954, you know, this kind of stuff. It's like complete reversal of that narrative.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Well, makes sense. That's the, what's the term? Useful idiots?

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Useful idiot.

• 1:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they love doing that.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, I've said it before, I'll say it again, I know I've had people on this podcast that were doing that with me. And I know they were coming on saying a bunch of nonsense. But you have to let them talk, because

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:21:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, the truth comes out in the wash.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:21:10Joe Rogan?

  And I think what's interesting about the age of disclosure is this narrative of the reality of what happened. If it did happen, there's lying to Congress, there's misappropriation of funds, you're gonna need amnesty. And so this is the narrative. This narrative is we need amnesty. It's like, it's kind of a smart way to do it, right?

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Do it in a documentary, have all these people that are probably implicated in some way, say, "We need amnesty."

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:39Joe Rogan?

  All these people that say that they know about these programs, amnesty is important because

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  But what they've been doing, really, if they have been doing what we assume they've been doing. We assume they've retrieved crashed UFOs and they've back engineered them. We assume they've used that technology. We assume they're aware that there's non-human intelligences that are far beyond our technological capabilities and that we interact with them. You've committed a crime against humanity

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  by not telling people that. Because we, we all operate under the assumption that we have an understanding of what our role is in this ecosystem of life. And if our role is not even remotely at the apex, if we are being visited and manipulated and if we're actually a product of experiments, you should fucking tell us. You can't, you guys can't be hanging out at Raytheon in the fucking conference room.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  Can you believe this shit? Like, yeah, right?

• 1:22:42Joe Rogan?

  With your gold Rolex's on, you motherfuckers.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Right, right?

• 1:22:48Joe Rogan?

  Tell everybody.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  But we can't handle the truth, right?

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  But they're right. They are right with the amnesty thing. I think that's the pathway. I mean, look, these guys are not gonna...

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:22:57Joe Rogan?

  What they stole, they stole.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay? What they did, they did. What the lie to Congress, the lies have been told. Let's fucking find out what the truth is. These guys, whatever they did, they did. Okay, you didn't stop it then, let it go. The more important thing is, let's find out if this is real. That's more important than everything.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  For the race, for the human race, the entire human race. And for science and technology, to have all this stuff locked down like that and not allow the great young minds that are coming up right now to have access to this is crazy. You're wasting one of the most valuable resources that we have with secrecy.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  I think there's so many different reasons why they might want to keep this a secret in terms of breakthrough energy and propulsion systems. Like, there's so many different implications to that, right?

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Massively disruptive.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  Massively disruptive. And, you know, could you imagine some, like, whacked-out fucking dude with a zero-point energy device?

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  Or imagine some guy who's running an oil company who finds out that they're about to do something like that, like, the fuck you are.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, how about this guy at MIT that just got assassinated in his home?

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Dude, the wet works in the corporate world is very real, I think.

• 1:24:04Joe Rogan?

  This is very real. This guy was, one of the more disturbing theories he had was that not only is the shift of the magnetic poles that... Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:18Joe Rogan?

  But his take on it was that the shift of the magnetic poles is necessary in order to maintain, uh... Well, I don't want to fuck it up.

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  Well, like, a natural earth cycle that has to happen.

• 1:24:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry, I'm trying to think and look it up at the same time.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  No, you're good.

• 1:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. I'll send it to you, Jamie.

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Sorry for the dead air, folks. Okay, so it says, "The assassinated MIT plasma scientist warned that Earth requires periodic magnetic reversals to sustain its field."

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:24:58Joe Rogan?

  "No reversal equals no dynamo equals the magnetic field dissipates." The last time this happened, in the tweet it says Noah's flood.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Oh, Sun Weather Man. Oh, I know both these guys.

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  This guy who has this-

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Google whistleblower, yeah, I've had him on.

• 1:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Is that not loading? The clip?

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  Plasma physics 101 fluid description.

• 1:25:22Joe Rogan?

  It seems like the clip's not... Okay, let's hear what he has to say. It's really interesting shit, man.

• 1:25:28Speaker 04

  You mentioned that the Earth's magnetic field was constant in the last

• 1:25:38Speaker 04

  10 years? So, yeah, is it right that the Earth has lost 10% of its magnetic field in the last 150 years? And how come?

• 1:25:51Speaker 05

  So, excellent question, Alec. Thank you. So, when I say that the Earth's magnetic field has remained roughly constant, what I mean is, if you look over longish time scales, its magnitude is roughly constant. Of course, it varies, right? And it reverses sometimes, right? And those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field, so you know, reversal meaning the North Pole becomes the South Pole and vice versa. So those happen, and there's even interesting stories you can tell about how those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field correlate with many ice ages and things like this.

• 1:26:33Speaker 05

  But the idea is that if you average over these periodic reversals, right, or fluctuations, the amplitude of the field has remained roughly constant. And the idea is that if there was no induction, if there was no dynamo working, you would, you and I wouldn't be talking, right? The magnetic field would have diffused very quickly, right, in, within ten to the five years. The earth would be left without a magnetic field, and the earth's magnetic field protected from cosmic radiation, right? And if you were open to that radiation, we, well, you wouldn't be here, like I said, nor would I.

• 1:27:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you very much.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Wild. And they just put bullets into that dude.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Well, and, like, you know.

• 1:27:21Joe Rogan?

  It could, listen, it could have been a robbery. We don't know. I mean, Massachusetts has a lot of robberies.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:27:26Joe Rogan?

  They've got a lot of, it's one of them east coast liberal-run cities. It's got a crime problem.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Completely fucked.

• 1:27:32Joe Rogan?

  And I'm sure, you know, as a MIT professor, he's probably lived nice.

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's possible.

• 1:27:40Joe Rogan?

  It's possible, but it also is possible that somebody killed him. And imagine if they killed him because he's telling us, hey, Earth's about to reverse its magnetic poles, and we might be fucked. A cataclysm might be coming.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  Well, this is, this is what I think there was a knowledge of in deep antiquity. That there was a knowledge of cycles, of Earth cycles, and they were preparing for it. You know, why, why are these structures built in a way that's anti-seismic, that's like resistant to incredible force?

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:28:07Joe Rogan?

  Sox who I'm on, that's.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Sox woman's such a good example of that. It's really an incredible example. I mean, the, the level of ingenuity, and also the fact that they're finding that these walls go way deeper, right? Because not just the excavation where they're going deep down and finding new blocks of stone, but just the walls, there's key excavations going on around the walls, they just keep going now. So it's like, this, this place was buried, maybe, a lot of earth push up and, and, you know, submerged into the ground. Clearly, this place experienced some form of global upheaval. And what's really weird about a place like Peru, for example, is that Prior to the, well, at the end of the last glacial maximum, around nineteen thousand years ago, when the Earth started to warm up again, there were certain climatologically

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  stable corridors, and Peru was one of those areas which was actually quite climatologically stable. So, at the end of the LGM, the last glacial maximum, to the Younger Dryas, it's about six thousand plus, six thousand and change, we've taken ourselves from horse and cart to supercomputers in less than a hundred and fifty years. So, the idea, the areas of the world that had stability for about six thousand years couldn't create something incredible, and then the Younger Dryas comes, and it takes it all away, for the most part. It's very provocative in Peru, because of, again, the existence of the Inca structures that are very, quite pristine, actually, and still standing, very simple, and yet

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  they are surrounded by broken megaliths and, you know, multi-ton structures that have gone through incredible damage.

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  And what I was getting at, when I was saying about that area, is the way the stones are interlocked would protect it against earthquakes.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, dissipate the force through all of these different areas. It allows for the force, for the kinetic force, to dissipate through the structure instead of it being focused and blowing apart one area of it. So it's clearly done for the purposes of trying to prevent massive amounts of force. Where would they get that type of a concept from?

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  It makes me wonder, it makes me wonder if they did have a knowledge of great cycles, you know, like the Adam and Eve story, you know, the whole thing that was like classified by the CIA for a minute, the Adam and Eve story.

• 1:30:13Joe Rogan?

  It was classified by the CIA?

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  It was listed on their Freedom of Information at library.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, what was that again?

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  It was a, it was a deep research into cycles, great cycles of cataclysmic destruction on Earth, by a guy called, well, his name was Chan Thomas, but I think that was a pseudonym for a fake, not real name, and he actually had at the beginning of it, like, a series of people he had listed who, without whom this book would not be possible, and it was like, you know, top five-star generals, and like... It's like, okay, so you know, this, this guy had the, you know, Chan Thomas, the Adam and Eve story. It's all about this great cyclical cataclysm that does take place every, what was it, like 12,000 years or something like that, and that the ancients had a knowledge of this. And I think that this is something that we will probably begin to realize is that somewhere in deep antiquity, there was a level of knowledge that is very contradictory to what we understand now.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  And I think places like Peru, places like Egypt and others, Malta, Gobekli Tepe, of course. It's becoming very palpable that there was something before this.

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Also, when you see the spikes of the earth's temperature, when you see those ups and downs, those glaciers and those warming periods, like, what, is there a uniform time in between those spikes?

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  In terms of?

• 1:31:22Joe Rogan?

  Is it like predictable?

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:31:24Joe Rogan?

  Is it like every 12,000 years it gets a little funky?

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  I imagine it's probably not like clockwork.

• 1:31:28Joe Rogan?

  About 12,000 years, comes back, right.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  But this is, but this is, again, this is one of the things that people in like, you know, the conspiracy world would say they're keeping from us, they're keeping this knowledge. Yes, there are 12,000 year cycles and we are just not being allowed to know that knowledge, but I don't know.

• 1:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have models of the past.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:31:45Joe Rogan?

  You know, from core samples and things along those lines, but we do know that it's never static and we do know that there have been these periods and they do look like, like, you know, a strange graph, it's not a flat line, like it's all, it's all getting warmer. No, it's, it's always crazy. So like, what is causing these dips and these rises and these, these weird periods that seem to be rhythmic? You know what I'm saying? It's not like there's an immense time of heating and then a small time of cooling. And then, uh, no, it's, it's up and down and up and down.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's almost like the heartbeat of the planet, isn't it? You know, you look at the planet as a, as a, some form of conscious entity. It's certainly capable of producing conscious beings on top of it. So I wonder about that and the mycelial network, you know, these, these kind of elements to the planet that almost seem like neurological architecture.

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, even if you could look from, from afar, if you could like have the concept of the earth, like the water's moving, the clouds are moving.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  It's like a live thing almost.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:45Joe Rogan?

  Obviously it's not moving because it's tissue, but that doesn't mean that there's not a force that's all connected and working in harmony.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:32:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's why I think plasmic intelligence is very interesting because it's this idea that a self-organizing plasmic structure could in some way. Create consciousness inside of it and we don't understand where consciousness comes from, we still don't. So it's very open to the idea of possibility and I've spoken to some pretty interesting scientists like Dr Salvatore Paeis, he's the guy that was responsible for the UFO, US Navy UFO patents that got put out a few years back, like underwater, undersea, uh, plasmic generators and things like this. He was a US Space Force engineer and he is very much of the opinion that plasma itself is capable of becoming conscious, not conscious on its own.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  But 99% of the observable universe is made out of plasma, 99%, okay? Isn't it weird how we get taught about solids, gases and liquids, but not plasma, the fourth state of matter? That's 99% of the universe? Why aren't we taught about that in school?

• 1:33:53Joe Rogan?

  That's weird.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Weird, right? Do you ever remember being taught plasma in school?

• 1:33:57Joe Rogan?

  When did they start learning that?

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I don't know, but it's certainly before my time in school. I didn't get taught it, you know what I mean?

• 1:34:06Joe Rogan?

  So why would they, are you, are you saying that they perhaps are hiding this?

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  I think that there's things within plasma physics that are so novel and exotic, like these self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and the science that they're studying in, have you ever heard of the Sapphire Project?

• 1:34:23Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  It's kind of gone quiet now, Hal Putoff got involved with it for a minute, where they're, you know, claiming to bottle the stars and they're creating these plasmic, you know, self-organizing plasmas inside these chambers that they were claiming could transform metals from one metal into gold or, you know, like transmutation of elements.

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• 1:36:52Joe Rogan?

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• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  And complete revolution of propulsion and energy. Then it just fizzles out.

• 1:37:04Joe Rogan?

  I always wondered about that.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  There is something to alchemy.

• 1:37:06Joe Rogan?

  Why were people really trying to make gold? That seems so crazy that you think you could make something like that. And I always wonder, did maybe somebody used to make it? And they have like this story of how people used to make gold? Like if there was, like imagine the caps of the great pyramids are in gold, right? What if they made that gold? Right. Right? What if, what if they had gotten to, it's not impossible to assume, like if the earth creates gold, it's not impossible to think that we could take the elements of the earth and create gold as well. There's gotta be a way to do it. Gotta be a way to do it. Is there a way to create gold currently?

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  I don't know, it's a good question.

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  Let's uh, put that into our sponsor.

• 1:37:52Joe Rogan?

  How do you make gold?

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  Well, let me show you what I asked first. The alchemy history of gold automatically brought up ancient Egypt metallurgy. Blending four classical elements.

• 1:38:03Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:38:04Speaker 02

  So there is some sort of process.

• 1:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Earth, air, fire, and water, and you make gold?

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  It's spread to Greco and Roman texts via the Islamic world in the 8th century. Where they made experimental methods, so for, I mean, gold plating is maybe what they're getting at. I don't know if that's.

• 1:38:19Joe Rogan?

  Unless they were trying to create gold.

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  A lot of, a lot of alchemy is, is also kind of personal alchemy, alchemy of the soul. And so it's not always necessarily meant as a physical thing, turning base metals into gold. It's more about turning you, base human, into a golden person. Like a lot of the times in alchemy, it's more about the personal development of your spirit and your soul.

• 1:38:44Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, but this is, they're clearly talking about metallurgy.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I mean like right here.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  So but I mean, if you, if gold was a valuable, if it was about valuable part of technology, which it is, and it had conducting aspects to it, it's very conducive, or it's very, it's good at conducting.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  Highly conducive, yeah.

• 1:39:04Joe Rogan?

  And you can make it. Modern methods. Particle accelerators like CERN's Large Hadron Collider achieve this by slamming lead nuclei together in near-miss collisions, generating intense electromagnetic fields that eject three protons from the lead, eighty-two protons, to form gold, seventy-nine protons. Wow. The Alice experiment detected up to eighty-nine thousand gold nuclei per second during lead runs, totaling, or lead-led runs, I'm not sure which one. Yeah, yeah. Totalling twenty-nine picograms over years, trillions of times less than needed for visible amounts. Whoa, that's crazy. Trillions of times less than needed for visual amounts. Early in nineteen eighty, Glenn Seiberg transmuted Bismuth into gold isotope using carbon and

• 1:39:49Joe Rogan?

  neon beams at Lawrence Berkeley lab.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Maybe they used the pyramids for lightning strikes to create gold with iron ore streams, and next thing you know, you get gold. That's why they had so much gold.

• 1:39:58Joe Rogan?

  I mean, who knows? I don't know. Who knows what they figured out?

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  But we should be able to ask these questions and not be completely dismissed.

• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's certainly fascinating. It's certainly fascinating that people have been obsessed with the possibility of making gold. Obviously, it's because gold is rare and very valuable, but here's the question: why is gold very valuable? You can't make a weapon out of it. Like, how did it rise to prominence?

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  Isn't there like some like translations that are, you know, from like the whole Sumerian, Babylonian texts, where it's kind of like we were made to mine gold for these beings?

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  That's all Zacharias Sitchin stuff.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  It's like Zacharias Sitchin, right?

• 1:40:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Zacharias Sitchin, though, is very controversial.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Very?

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  I'm too stupid to know who's right, but I do know that I always, when I talk about Zachariah, I always talk about the website, SitchinIsWrong.com.

• 1:40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:40Joe Rogan?

  So there's a website, it seems like he was the only one that was buying into that. And, you know, when I talk to Wes Huff, he doesn't even think that Zacharias Sitchin could actually read Sumerian.

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  Just fucking guessing?

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, it might be, you know.

• 1:40:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to disparage the great man because he's not with us anymore. But he might not have been totally honest, or he might have been convinced, you know, some people just become true believers.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, for sure.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  What he is saying essentially is that he tried to learn Sumerian, and Wes knows many different ancient languages. Like, he's a brilliant, brilliant guy. He's like, I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't figure it out, I couldn't do it. Now, obviously, there have been translations of Sumerian. There are people that can do it. It's incredibly difficult. And it's also apparently not related to any other languages. And it's so ancient, it's weird. And then the Cuneiform and all that stuff, it's like, good luck.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  Good luck figuring out what they were saying.

• 1:41:35Speaker 01

  I know, I always wondered how he'd like, actually kind of come to those positions on it.

• 1:41:39Joe Rogan?

  It's, it is incredibly complex, and the only people that really know are the people that are that deep into it that they can read it as well. And they don't seem to agree with him. But at the end of the day, like, whatever, whatever was going on over in that part of the world, they had a lot of discussions of things that came from the sky.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  They had a detailed map of the solar system, which is very weird. A five thousand plus year old detailed map of the solar system with all the planets, Jupiter, Mars, Earth. It's like, what's that?

• 1:42:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, how, how are you achieving this?

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  What are these giant people with monkeys on their laps?

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  And like, you know, Gilgamesh holding a lion like it's a little cat.

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  And loads of statues.

• 1:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Why do all these dudes have wings?

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  Very, very typically dismissed as kind of like, you know, um, oh, he was just a, you know, an intellectual giant, or a, you know, giant of, of power and legality. And it's like, okay, but there's a lot of them. There's a lot of references all across the world to these giants. So, you know, I, I find that very interesting and, um, you know, like the watch.

• 1:42:38Joe Rogan?

  This is the reality of fossils.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:41Joe Rogan?

  This is the reality of fossils. There is a tiny, tiny amount of all the things that die that leave a fossil.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Most things don't leave a fossil when they die. They get absorbed by the earth, eaten by, by scavengers.

• 1:42:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Bacteria, you rot away, the sun bleaches your bones, and it's over.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 1:42:59Joe Rogan?

  Within a few hundred years, there's nothing left. Occasionally, you get lucky, and someone or a dinosaur gets, falls into a bog, and you get.

• 1:43:10Joe Rogan?

  Evidence, but if you don't get that evidence, it doesn't mean it didn't exist. You know, and

• 1:43:15Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:43:15Joe Rogan?

  The giant one is a weird.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  It is a weird one.

• 1:43:17Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird one. Because there's so many depictions in ancient literature of giants, of giant beings. And you gotta wonder, okay, are we talking about like men from Iceland?

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Are we talking about giants that are just enormous human beings like those?

• 1:43:31Speaker 01

  Big chads.

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  But those dudes that do those strong man competitions, they all like the mountain.

• 1:43:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  Those guys all live in Iceland. They're all from Iceland.

• 1:43:38Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is that about?

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, what is that about?

• 1:43:42Joe Rogan?

  Vikings.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  They were the Vikings and that's what's left. But is it that? Are we talking about that? Or we're talking about another race of human that's even larger? And if they found it, do they tell us? Like they tell us about certain, they tell us about Denisovans similar to us. They tell us about Homo Julianns similar to us, just a little bit bigger. They found a fucking four foot skull.

• 1:44:06Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Do they tell us?

• 1:44:08Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, there's like snippets, isn't there, from the black and white days, nineteen twenties, where the Smithsonian kind of very quickly covered things up. And like, this is very much the Smith.

• 1:44:14Joe Rogan?

  They had giant bones, bones from a giant human.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, there seems to be.

• 1:44:18Joe Rogan?

  And there's, there's all these Native American stories about giant right headed humans.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  And, and, you know, in the burial mounds, supposedly.

• 1:44:25Joe Rogan?

  But here's, the thing is like, this is the real question. Would, if, if archaeologists stumbled upon a four foot head? And they were under the, you know, the guidance of the university, would they shut it down?

• 1:44:36Speaker 01

  That's such a good question.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Would they release it? I, I, I am fascinated by the fact that I have to ask that question.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause I would assume that if archaeologists found, of course they would release it.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  We have found evidence of a giant, like a giant human being. And this might be one, the first one we find, it might've been a whole race of them that existed twenty thousand years ago.

• 1:44:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I.

• 1:44:58Joe Rogan?

  Would they tell us?

• 1:44:59Speaker 01

  I don't know, Joe. I don't, I don't know.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  We don't know if they would tell us.

• 1:45:03Speaker 01

  I don't know if they would tell us.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  They might not. The government might step in and say, you are not allowed.

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  Well, that's the thing is it might supersede just academic circles and archaeology. It might get a little bit more serious. Why? The implications of our ancient history and, you know, what exactly was taking place? I, I am fascinated by some areas that seem to have a level of, kind of like theological reference to them. So, you know, you know, the Book of Enoch and the Watchers. And they descend down on Mount Hermon in Baalbek, right? So that's Baalbek, which is. Baalbek, the lord of the Bekah Valley, and Baal, the storm god, like the one that everyone, you know, talks about the sacrifices to Baal.

• 1:45:39Joe Rogan?

  It's also the place that has these insane trillium stones.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  I was just about to mention them. Yeah, that's it. The trilithons.

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Trilithon.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  Eight hundred to a thousand tons. Eight hundred to a thousand tons apiece.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  And they're not even laying on the ground.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  No, they've been lifted up. They've been lifted up quite significantly. And this is the thing, man. It's like, you know, somewhere like this, you've got this weird story about this is basically thirty miles away from there is Mount Hermon, where the watchers apparently came down from the sky.

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck?

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  And then you've got these impossible blocks in this. And the quarry there as well, the quarry there, you have like the stone of the pregnant woman, which is like one thousand two hundred and fifty tons. And there's another one there that's like one thousand five hundred tons. Like, these were never fully excavated, but they're there getting ready, and they've just been documented in situ. But then, yeah, three hundred meters up the road or less is the Temple of Jupiter, which, again, mainstream academics will attribute to first century Romans. But the first century Romans had like wooden pulleys and like little wooden cranes. Like, this is insane. This is an eight hundred to a thousand ton block, three of them, that were lifted up, I think it's like, at least like twenty meters or something, you know?

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, can you please show us a photo of it? I always love looking at these.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Especially if you can find one with a human being standing in it, like Corsetti, if he's like, he took some great ones.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is a good one with Corsetti.

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  Like, it's phenomenal how big these are.

• 1:47:02Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy.

• 1:47:04Speaker 01

  It freaks me out.

• 1:47:04Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy to think that they, we believe, they used some sort of stone tools or copper tools.

• 1:47:12Speaker 01

  It's fucking stupid, man.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  And pulleys to get this in place?

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  It's stupid.

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  And you got it out of the quarry how?

• 1:47:17Speaker 01

  Well, and then...

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:19Speaker 01

  Oh, so that's a brilliant place. So that's Ollynton Tambo in Peru, fantastic area, which I'll be showing in my next episode of Ancient Technologies.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  It's the trillium stones.

• 1:47:28Speaker 01

  Trilithon.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Trilithon. I keep saying it wrong.

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  The trilithon stones. The trilithon stones, yeah. Baalbek.

• 1:47:34Joe Rogan?

  And one of the interesting things that Corsetti was saying is like, that's not even a place where they take a lot of tourists to.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so there it is. So you see the person, and then look above how big those stones are.

• 1:47:44Speaker 01

  This is not sensible to attribute to first century Romans.

• 1:47:47Joe Rogan?

  No, go back to just the Lebanon ones, that's it. They are so big, man.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  That one, and then there's a good black and white one, we see with the yellow, yeah, there you go.

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  Two little dudes sitting on top of them.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  Absolutely phenomenal. And then, you know, the, the, um, the smaller blocks on top, that is first century Romans. Absolutely, without a doubt. There is obvious evidence.

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  But they built it on top of something else.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, they built it on top of an ancient, ancient foundation, which they were not capable of doing.

• 1:48:12Joe Rogan?

  Probably a landing pad.

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  That's what so many people say that, you know, whatever I post, like any, it's like, here's a landing pad for the spaceships.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Landing pad for our ships.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  But what's crazy about that as well, just a real quick aside, well, not even an aside, it's an addition to that, is that, okay, so the mainstream attributes is the first century Romans. But then the Romans liked to brag about all the things they did, and third century Romans bragged about the lateranobelisk that's now sitting in Rome. And the lateranobelisk is about 350 to 400 tonnes. That's the heaviest recorded lift in Roman history. These are 800 to 1,000 tonnes. They never even mentioned them. So it's weird that we attribute it to Romans, but it's because we, within our model for history, we can't not, if we're going to listen to academics, right? So you have to then invoke fringe theories.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  I had Rep Luna on the podcast.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:03Joe Rogan?

  And she was the one who really got me to read the Book of Enoch.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  Dude, she's, she's digging in.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, she's digging in.

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  She's digging in, yeah.

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  She's all in on the UFOs.

• 1:49:09Speaker 01

  I know she is.

• 1:49:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what they tell her, yeah. Who, I mean, are, is she useful to them? You know, the whole thing is weird.

• 1:49:15Speaker 01

  Maybe, though, maybe.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  It's hard to know.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  When I started reading it, now, if that was included in the Bible, if they had, because it really is, was rabbis that decided that it didn't jive with the Torah, right?

• 1:49:26Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  And so they said, no, no, no, this one's too crazy.

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:29Joe Rogan?

  If that was in the Bible, and that's what we were talking.

• 1:49:32Speaker 01

  Things would be different.

• 1:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine, like, Sunday church, the watchers came down and made it. But meanwhile, that is in the same area of Qumran, written down as the Book of Isaiah. So all these things that are included in the Bible. That's, that's there.

• 1:49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  It's all the same word. Why are we ignoring some of it? Like, that's really crazy. Why ignoring the stuff that seems the most kooky?

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  Again, I think that there's probably maybe disagreements because, I mean, you know, there's so, there's so much change for the biblical canon from all of these different, you know, councils, like the Council of Nicere, all these different

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  People.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  censorings and changing of, of the, of the, of the Bible. It's probably a personal issue. It could be something as simple as just someone who personally did not believe that. It's like, that's bullshit. Remove that. That's not real. There's no way. They were giants. But I love how at the beginning of the Bible, it's like, there were giants in those times and the times before.

• 1:50:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 1:50:25Joe Rogan?

  All over the Bible.

• 1:50:27Speaker 01

  Moving on, never mention it again, like, in any sort of real context of, and like, you know, David and Goliath in a few situations, but, no, I, I really am starting to wonder if there was a giant race that was on this planet, dude.

• 1:50:38Joe Rogan?

  I think there was.

• 1:50:39Speaker 01

  I really do.

• 1:50:40Joe Rogan?

  The Native American depictions alone.

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:42Joe Rogan?

  There's, there's too much story, too many stories of enormous men that they had to kill.

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And they, and their history, their oral tradition goes so far back.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, imagine, we're talking 10,000 people. Now that we know that human beings lived in North America 22,000 plus years ago. Right? So the, the fossilized footprints that they found in, um, New Mexico. So that's 22,000 years. So imagine if 22,000 years ago, these things were a real thing. How many of them have you found? You haven't found any bones of humans from 22,000 years ago in North America, have you? No. Right? So why?

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:51:21Joe Rogan?

  Does the Smithsonian have them, these motherfuckers? If they really do have a giant down there.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  I think, I think they probably do, Joe.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine if there's like a, there's a tomb that you have to go into? It's like a vault. The guy cranks open the vault.

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  It's like the history version of Area 51.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  You see a fucking head the size of this table and you're like, what?

• 1:51:39Speaker 01

  That's what we're dealing with. That's what we're dealing with. Yeah.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and we had to kill them off.

• 1:51:44Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:51:45Joe Rogan?

  Which totally makes sense. Why would you let that motherfucker live?

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:51:48Joe Rogan?

  You got a ten foot tall, twelve foot tall.

• 1:51:50Speaker 01

  That's a problem.

• 1:51:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, two thousand pound human that eats people.

• 1:51:54Speaker 01

  That is a problem. I wonder, you know, we always get this because like the watchers themselves are never described as giant beings.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  I I wonder where the giant came into the equation genetically.

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  Compared to them?

• 1:52:06Speaker 01

  Maybe, because like maybe there were slight aliens, like alien grays or something and, you know.

• 1:52:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, look at the description of the Nephilim, how they destroyed everything.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Like they created this this thing that consumed everything, destroyed everything, including mankind, like. What's that sound like?

• 1:52:22Speaker 01

  It sounds like us.

• 1:52:22Joe Rogan?

  That's like us.

• 1:52:23Speaker 01

  It sounds like us.

• 1:52:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, and also, like, you're saying mankind, like mankind, what are you saying? Are you saying aliens? Are you saying, who wrote this?

• 1:52:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is mankind? Like, what does that term mean? I bet you're not saying man. I bet you're probably using an ancient language to describe whatever the dominant force was at the time that's writing all this down. What are we talking about?

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:52:43Joe Rogan?

  What is these watchers? They mated with humans? So what are they? And they created something that destroyed everything? What? So, okay. What is that? What are you talking about? And doesn't that sound exactly like humans? Like, what do we do? We fucking destroy everything.

• 1:52:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:58Joe Rogan?

  We destroy everything. We light things on fire, we suck all the fish out of the ocean, we throw our garbage in it. We're we are so destructive.

• 1:53:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  And we're so consuming. We consume. You know, we're one of the only animals that dies because we eat too much.

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, right, right.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  Right? We're the only one of the only animals.

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, and we're one of the only, we are the only example on this planet of the level of intelligence that we have. I mean, it's just phenomenal. I mean, really quite phenomenal when you consider all of the various avenues of evolution that have been given the opportunity.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  We have a massive leap. Yeah.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Phenomenal leap, but a leap that has to in some way have been intervened with, in my opinion. I mean, it's such a quantum leap in our ability of cognition and the brain size. I mean, I do find the stoned ape theory very interesting and, you know, the concept of using psychedelics, and I think there's a role to play in that for sure, but I I just think that. When you have such a novel trajectory change from every other creature, every other animal on this planet, that tells me that there is something fundamentally accelerated in humans. And whether that can just be put down to shamanic use of psychedelics, I don't know. I think that when you invoke again, all of these various theologic stories, it becomes clear that something was interfacing with us. And perhaps at one point, we were

• 1:54:11Speaker 01

  interfacing with them. And there was a communication and a relation that has since long degraded after, you know, cataclysmic outreaches and, you know.

• 1:54:20Joe Rogan?

  I think the evolution that came out of psychedelics and primitive man was the escape from the barbaric nature of our roots.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's necessarily the development of the human brain. I think it's probably a way to, well, also a way to use the human brain with its primate background, but soften the ego.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  And endorse a feeling of community, like promote a feeling of community and love and the connectiveness that you get from psychedelics. It will allow you to traverse the timelines between incredibly barbaric hunter-gatherers with stone tip tools to agrarian societies where people are all living together and cooperating. And it makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is the giant leap to being a human in the first place.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  It's kooky.

• 1:55:15Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  And it's in the Bible. At least it's in the Book of Enoch.

• 1:55:19Speaker 01

  It's there.

• 1:55:20Joe Rogan?

  That's the crazy part about it is that they literally describe what we're, and not just us, like many people have theorized, like, have we been a product, are we a product of genetic manipulation? Are we a product of accelerated evolution?

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  Well, again, my own experiences, I just feel like there is quite obviously a vast intelligence spectrum out there, in my opinion. And I think it goes beyond our own perception of space and time. And I think that there are likely things that can come in from You know, realms that we just don't really believe are real, like the astral and, you know, even the realm of the imagination is an interesting thing. What is this place inside of our heads that we can instantaneously create anything we want and all things, including everything on this table, once came from inside someone's mind? Like, we are excretors of ideas into reality. We kind of render reality into something that nothing else

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  does. And I think that there is a spark within us that speaks to what people would call a divine spark, for sure. And maybe that is a divine spark. Maybe it's a highly intelligent race that intervened and gave us that spark. But we are entirely different. And I do think that as we begin to get deeper and deeper into kind of the physics of our reality and our fundamental connection to it, we start realizing that our physiology, our body is like an antenna. It's like a technology. It's an instrument for picking up on signals and perhaps even consciousness itself. I don't know if you're familiar with microtubules and the orchestrated objective reduction theory by Stuart Hamroff and Sir Roger Penrose?

• 1:56:53Joe Rogan?

  How many times you bring that up to people and they go, oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

• 1:56:56Speaker 01

  Oh, no, exactly what you're talking about. Well, I hang out with some weird fucking people, but I just thought it might have come. I definitely have heard Duncan Trussell say to you, "Microtubules, man."

• 1:57:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:57:05Speaker 01

  "Microtubules." No, so I did an interview with an anesthesiologist called Stuart Hamroff, and him and Sir Roger Penrose developed a model called the orchestrated objective reduction theory, or ORC, OR, looking at microtubules, which are these tiny helical structures inside our neurons. And I forget the exact metric, but it's something ridiculous, like 10,000 microtubules per neuron. So it's just, you know, this incredible architecture of these tiny, little helical structures that apparently are so small that they interact with quantum vibrations in fields. That's how fine and tiny they are. And the reason I bring this up is because I think that we're getting deeper now with things like the ORC OR theory into looking at the structures within humanity that actually seem to be

• 1:57:50Speaker 01

  receiving nodes or receptive nodes for energy that could then be translated into consciousness. The old idea of, are we generating consciousness from our brain or are we receiving consciousness and we're just a conduit for it?

• 1:58:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:58:05Speaker 01

  And I think the evidence is getting a little bit more clearer that we're a conduit. And I just wonder if that's evolution naturally or if that's, you know, interaction from these others that have come and meddled with our genealogy.

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question that we'll have to ponder when I come back from peeing.

• 1:58:19Speaker 01

  You do that.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Let's, yeah, we'll pause.

• 1:58:21Speaker 01

  No worries.

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  Hands back. Well, Jamie brought something up, which is a really interesting video that I took when I was out in Saqqara in Egypt. Again, with Jeffrey Drum, he was taking me through. And yeah, this is an awesome place. So just for context, before we play it, yeah, take it back to the beginning.

• 1:58:39Speaker 01

  This is inside the Pyramid of Eunas in Saqqara. And this is deep down inside of it, inside what they call the burial chamber. Now you see all of these, you know, amazing Arabic artwork that's been quite, you know, relatively crudely scratched in. Now you see that glow? That's actually calcite crystal and that's limestone. Now, the entire back of this chamber, like this wall, the back wall, the other wall and the ceiling and the floor is made out of a slab of calcite crystal. But what's really interesting about this is that when you take a flashlight and you put it in a certain angle on this wall, something very interesting appears.

• 1:59:17Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  An otherwise invisible

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  etching of an individual. You can see the navel, the belly button and the arms. And this is completely invisible until you get that flashlight. Now, these have been actually smoothed, oh, there's promo for my, for my episode. But these have actually been smoothed into the calcite crystal itself. And then obviously these Aramaic writings and pictographs have been scratched on afterwards. So clearly this is the original artwork of this chamber. But it's not perceptible without a very specific angle of light that creates the shadows. And these are on the other side of the wall as well. I think in this clip, maybe he doesn't show it. But very, very strange.

• 2:00:06Speaker 01

  Now, this entire pyramid is acoustically profound. I mean, the, the acoustics inside of this are unbelievable, the amount of echo that you get. And the entire Saqqara site, we went around it and I mean, my God, it's a weird site, man. You've got, again, Just incredibly huge slabs of rose quartz granite. And there's one area that's like on the other side of the pyramid, not even near the entrance, which is just this huge portcullis made of granite with interlocking pieces where it clearly another piece of stone was slid between them. But this is nowhere even connected to the pyramid infrastructure and they don't say anything about it. Strewn across this entire place, you've got huge blocks of granite with drill holes in them.

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  You can see the striation marks going all the way through them. And his opinion, Jeffries, and I think there's merit to it because in Cairo Museum, there's a little cabinet of laboratory equipment, like jugs and apothecary bottles that were recovered from Saqqara, including a little plate. There's like a little plaque, this wasn't included, this is put into the actual exhibition, but it's tucked into the corner of Cairo Museum. You have to find it and you have to really look for it. And there's a little plaque saying that the area of Saqqara was a laboratory. And again, like this completely contradicts all of the things that they say about ancient Egypt, but it's in the Cairo Museum. It's literally written as the ancient laboratory of Saqqara. And so, you know, what's going on there?

• 2:01:35Speaker 01

  Why is there a contradiction like that that's being acknowledged? And it's truly just an incredible place with these shadow figures and the acoustic resonance of the site, the rose granite.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  So why do you think that it was originally, these carvings were in the wall and then they wrote on it afterwards?

• 2:01:52Speaker 01

  Well, I think it's just another case of a later civilization coming across an incredibly amazing place and carving on it. Maybe they didn't even see these figures because you have to have a very specific type of light to actually be able to see them. You have to get it at that angle.

• 2:02:06Joe Rogan?

  You can't detect by looking at it that there's some variation?

• 2:02:09Speaker 01

  I mean, you can see when you actually know what you're looking for.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Like a little bit of wiggle?

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  But barely anything. It's like really hard to perceive. So maybe they didn't even know that these things were down there when they went, there's another part of this when you're going through the chambers where it's rose granite, rose granite, and then plaster where you've got hieroglyphics put on the top and you can actually see the plaster's kind of bleeding off into the rose granite. So it feels like they found it, they slapped some hieroglyphs on it, they, you know, put their own veneration around it, but it was not an original structure of the Egyptians. Once again, a place that they found and settled around. But it's just weird that in the Cairo Museum, you have like this tiny little shelf full of beakers and measuring jug type things and it says that the lab complex of Saqqara. It just doesn't make any sense in comparison to what they're trying to tell us is the reality of this place. So that's, you know, that's weird.

• 2:02:58Joe Rogan?

  It's all weird.

• 2:02:59Speaker 01

  It's all weird.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's why the bottleneck of talking about this stuff is so infuriating.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  This is the same place, by the way, we have the Serapeum, you know, the eighty ton boxes that are precision marble top, the ones that Christopher Dunn went down into and was like, these have been machined.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's pull up photo of those, please. They're strange. It's like, what do you think they were doing with those things? Like, what was the purpose?

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  Well, you know what's interesting is

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  What was the drill?

• 2:03:28Speaker 01

  They were, um, so these things are absolutely incredible. And there's a few questions with this. One, if you go onto that image, zoom out, just go to that image on the right where you've got the entrance, just the entrance into the, yeah, this one here. So this is, you know, this is the entrance into the Serapeum, or the Serapium, however you want to pronounce it. It's a subterranean labyrinth, and these corridors are extremely small. There's actually a half finished, a half finished one sitting in the middle of a corridor, and you can kind of really get a scope for the size. But these are seventy ton, seventy to eighty ton granite sarcophagi. They attribute it to the Apis Bulls. They say that there was a, you know, a cult around this region that venerated the Apis Bulls, and that these were burial chambers

• 2:04:13Speaker 01

  for the Apis Bulls. But you know, the, you know, what's funny about that is the only, the only thing that they have to evidence this is no, no bones of bulls or anything like that. What they have is a, a single hieroglyph on one of these, one of these boxes of a bull. That's it. They have a hieroglyph with a bull on it, and that's why they attribute it to the Apis Bulls. Regardless of the fact that these are precision carved eighty to, you know, seventy to eighty ton granite marble top smoothed boxes with even more precision inside. They're even more precise on the inside, which is strange. You wouldn't necessarily need them to be that precise if they're just funerary boxes. But the precision is actually more impressive internally than it is externally. And

• 2:04:54Joe Rogan?

  How long would it take to make one of those?

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  My god, man.

• 2:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Here's the question. Make it, move it, put it in place.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  Make it, move it, put it in place.

• 2:04:59Joe Rogan?

  That bull's long dead. Let it go.

• 2:05:01Speaker 01

  Let it go, dude. It's not that important.

• 2:05:03Joe Rogan?

  That bull would have been dead for years by the time you finished that thing.

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  These things are nuts, man, absolutely nuts. And this is one of the big things that Christopher Dunn saw and was just like, nah, nah, there's just no way.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Look at the people standing next to those stones.

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  I've been inside one of these.

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  That someone moved it there and then put that other one on top of it.

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  Unbelievable.

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  When, who, how?

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, and again, like, you know.

• 2:05:25Joe Rogan?

  To say that's not a mystery is nuts.

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  It is nuts. And also, if you go on that image where they're shining a light and someone's leaning on it on like the right-hand side, yeah, that one. So so many of these, the boxes themselves are so precise, but the actual writing is extremely crude. It's been scratched on. It's basically just been scratched on. And a lot of them, it kind of feels like, as a lot of these pharaohs did, they just went and slapped a cartouche on it. I own this. This is mine. And so, you know, the the exterior work contradicts the advancement of the actual box itself. It doesn't make sense. There's only one in here that's actually got 3D actual carved in artwork, and that one actually does make sense. But these ones are all chicken scratch. It's just been scratched on.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Of course, which is what people do.

• 2:06:10Speaker 01

  Which is what people do.

• 2:06:11Joe Rogan?

  There's, I mean, a lot of history of human beings doing that to ancient things.

• 2:06:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you go on that third image, actually, that's an interesting image because you've got these, such low quality, that's a shame. But you can actually see these dimples where they've smoothed out the stone. And what's weird about this is that, so if these were funerary boxes, you would expect the external to be the most impressive because that's what people are going to see, right? But instead, you actually have a lot of malformation on the boxes. And one of the theories about this, and this is something that, there we go, is a good example of this. One of the theories about this is one that Jeffrey Drum brought up for me, is that whatever was going on inside of these cases, the exterior had to have absolutely zero critical imperfections. So any cracks, anything that was problematic would have been dissolved out, smoothed away.

• 2:06:58Speaker 01

  And you have this weird kind of dimpling on a lot of these. And somewhere you can actually see a crack where the crack's been removed and it's been kind of smoothed out. And then inside, it's like 90 degree, just perfect.

• 2:07:12Speaker 01

  And so it just kind of contradicts the idea of it being for the, you know, a funerary purpose. You'd expect the outside to be absolutely perfect and beautiful, but it's not. It's all kind of malshaped and as if they were trying to remove any sort of cracks, anything that could cause a structural problem. And then inside, they're perfect. So it does make me wonder about the real purpose behind these.

• 2:07:32Joe Rogan?

  Why are you assuming that it would be cracks? Why wouldn't it just be that they didn't have a need to finish the top of it?

• 2:07:38Speaker 01

  Because some of them-

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, like finished carpentry?

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Well, some of them are finished quite profoundly. And then you have others that have got these big dimples in them where it just looks like they were trying to remove anything that might have been a critical, like, damage to the structure.

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:07:55Speaker 01

  Obviously, this is guesswork.

• 2:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Right. But the purpose of that would be to keep it from cracking all the way through.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  To keep it from cracking all the way through. I just find it very interesting that the inside is more impressive than the outside for something that's meant to be, you know, viewed as a funerary box for-

• 2:08:07Joe Rogan?

  Right. An enormous funerary box.

• 2:08:09Speaker 01

  An enormous funerary box.

• 2:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Has, does anybody have a wacky far out theory of what they were actually for?

• 2:08:14Speaker 01

  I mean, there's always some. I mean, one of them I find interesting is the idea that it could be like some form of like a sound bath, like an isolatory chamber where they would go into and have like some form of experiences.

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  You gotta count on someone to move that fucking thing?

• 2:08:27Speaker 01

  Like, you know, it's-

• 2:08:29Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:08:30Speaker 01

  There's such a strong, there's such a strong evidential trail of acoustic sciences in the ancient past, especially archaeo-acoustics in terms of the actual architecture itself. Like the pyramids, they're designed to resonate. Like, one of the most, sorry. One of the most interesting places that I've been to in terms of looking at the acoustics of places as well is Malta, the island of Malta. And the island of Malta is very interesting because when the Bronze Age settlers from Sicily and other areas of Italy came over to Malta for the first time, they discovered an island that was absolutely littered with megalithic sites. And Malta has got the highest concentration of megalithic sites in the world, but there

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  were no people. They all gone. No one knows who they were. It was just a land full of these incredible megalithic temples. And one in particular called the Hypergium of Halcephelene. Now, the Hypergium is fascinating, dude. It's a subterranean-

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  Huge, huge temple, temple that was discovered by road workers and they were literally just chipping away at the road and then it collapsed in and they find this huge, what they call a necropolis because they found hundreds of skeletons down here. This thing is incredible. This is all carved out of the limestone and it is a overlapping geometric series of chambers that is so obviously acoustically tuned that if you actually, if you wanted to search hypergym acoustics, it will come up with studies where they've noticed that this is absolutely a deliberately acoustically tuned complex. Go on the actual website, not images. That's an interesting one. Whether or not it's entirely accurate, someone's

• 2:10:11Speaker 01

  comparing the hypergym to the human ear. Specifically because of the fact that this place absolutely is acoustically tuned to resonate between 110 and 115 hertz, which is the bandwidth to activate certain brain states like alpha and theta brain where you can get into more meditative states of consciousness. And only 20% of this site is accessible to the public, 70% of it's locked off, and they treat it like a skiff. They take your phone, they take your camera, you can't bring any audio recording devices into it, nothing. Very curated tour for like, you know, 30 minutes and then out. Why 70% of it locked off? That's a great question. They say it's for preservation of the site because it's such a delicate, neolithic, it's prehistoric. They believe it's prehistoric. And again,

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  this speaks to what was going on in prehistory because this is an acoustically profound series of chambers that have been carved out of the limestone bedrock by people that we attribute bone antler tools to. They were chipping away at it with bone antler tools and they made something as profound. So when you say prehistoric, what are you talking about? They date it to, I think about 5,000 years ago, about five, yeah. Mainstream, mainstream. What? Mainstream. Yeah, yeah. Carved? Carved. It's, it's, Carved out of the bedrock? Out of the bedrock. Out of the bedrock. It's huge, huge thing. And what's even weirder about it? Is that they found all these elongated skulls at the bottom of it. And one of, I've seen one personally, I went to the Museum of Valletta in Malta and saw one of these elongated skulls.

• 2:11:41Speaker 01

  What's very interesting about these skulls is that they actually lack the sagittal suture that we have going down the back of the head. So, you know, we have this sagittal suture which pushes the growth plates together as you come through the birth canal. Not that one.

• 2:11:58Speaker 01

  The third one, the, sorry, the fourth one, that one, and then there's other images which are, actually, the one below it where you've got skulls recovered from the hypergym. Yeah, so this is the elongated skull, this only got the horizontal suture, no vertical suture, which is what all humans have, a vertical sagittal suture. Now, apparently, hundreds of elongated skulls were discovered in the hypergym, but only a couple of them are on display in Valletta. And I've got a couple of friends who are in, have you heard of the Knights of Malta?

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:12:28Speaker 01

  It's a kind of a secret order, a bit like Freemasonry. Spawned from the Vatican, the Vatican basically threw these people into Malta and said, fuck off and go do your witch stuff over there. But now it's a very connected, you know, kind of like with the Vatican order, the Knights of Malta. Very powerful, a very powerful group.

• 2:12:47Speaker 01

  Very much in the geopolitical world stage. And a friend of mine who's within that was like, yeah, they bring out this book once a year in the Valletta Museum. And it's detailing the skulls of the hypergym and apparently tells a story of how the locals would throw bodies down there. Because there are beings down there that they wanted to prevent from coming up to the surface. And this is the strange thing is the hypergym is full of normal human bodies, hundreds, not buried with respect, but just piled down there. And then also elongated skulls. And the story is according to this very ancient book that they bring out and put out once a year, you have to be lucky to catch it.

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  It apparently describes that they were using this as a place to discard bodies to prevent these creatures from coming up to the surface.

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  They were feeding them?

• 2:13:35Speaker 01

  Feeding them. Feeding them.

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  So when people would die, they would just throw them down that hole? Or when people were bad people?

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  Maybe, yeah, yeah, throw them down that hole to.

• 2:13:43Joe Rogan?

  So these elongated skull things were eating people?

• 2:13:45Speaker 01

  Well, that's, that's, you know, the connections we might make from that kind of connotation from these books. But that's, that's certainly something that is rolled out in the Valletta Museum once a year. If you get to go there and see it. So that, you know.

• 2:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Is that like an ancient version of Scientology? Somebody make all this up?

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  Dude, I don't know, but the, well, I mean, in terms of.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Very strange that there's.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  The hypogeeum itself is.

• 2:14:07Joe Rogan?

  Human skeletons down there.

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I mean, I did find a profound amount of them, which is why the mainstream labels it as a necropolis. But there's no burial respect being done. It was just piles of bodies, like piles of bodies, dude. And again, it's just so profound.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  This is called the Oracle Room?

• 2:14:22Speaker 01

  Yes, the Oracle Room, yeah. This is where the sound concentrates, the acoustics concentrate.

• 2:14:26Speaker 02

  I found here, uh, these two paragraphs, I guess it's gonna be a little long, but it's not that long.

• 2:14:31Joe Rogan?

  During testing, a deep male voice tuned to these frequencies stimulated a resonance phenomenon throughout the hypogeeum, creating bone chilling effects. It was reported that the sounds echoed for up to eight seconds. Archaeologist Fernando Combría or Combra, Coimbra, Coimbra? Said that he felt the strong, the sound crossing his body at high speed, leaving a sensation of relaxation. When it was repeated, the sensation returned and he also had the illusion that the sound was reflected from his body to the ancient red ochre paintings on the walls. One can only imagine the experience in antiquity, standing in what must, excuse me, in what must have been somewhat odorous, dark and listening to ritual chant

• 2:15:16Joe Rogan?

  while low light flickered over the bones of one's departed loved ones. Holy shit.

• 2:15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:15:23Speaker 02

  Might have felt like what drugs do to us.

• 2:15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 2:15:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they made a drug house?

• 2:15:28Speaker 02

  He goes on the state, yeah, under right circumstances, ancient populations were able to obtain.

• 2:15:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:15:33Speaker 02

  Different states of consciousness without the use of drugs or chemical substances.

• 2:15:36Joe Rogan?

  Or maybe in.

• 2:15:39Speaker 01

  This is, this is the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and Binaural Beats way, way before we were around. This is the original, it's called psychoacoustic architecture. The idea that ancient architecture is designed in a way to propagate acoustics that affect the human brain.

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Now imagine. This is five thousand years ago. And where did you learn that from?

• 2:16:01Speaker 01

  Or more, right.

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  How did you do that? Did you fail? Did you learn? Where's, what's the science?

• 2:16:06Speaker 01

  And another interesting-

• 2:16:07Joe Rogan?

  How do you know?

• 2:16:08Speaker 01

  Element is, um, there are a lot of temple sites in Malta that look weirdly similar to Newgrange in Ireland. And Newgrange is another psychoacoustic temple, if you want to call it a temple. It's a huge mound, if you look it up. But within it, they've done, again, acoustic studies and it propagates infrasound, sound below the threshold of human hearing. And that's the stuff that reverberates through your chest cavity, through your bone structure. That's what that guy is describing. It's infrasonic sound. You know, when you're like-

• 2:16:38Joe Rogan?

  This is it?

• 2:16:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how old's that?

• 2:16:42Speaker 01

  Oh, again, Neolithic. I don't know the exact date, but it's Neolithic. And these spiral patterns are in the hypergym. Those spiral patterns are in the hypergym, in Red Oka. This is Ireland. The same structure. The, that's very famous Irish. This, this, by the way, is incredible because it's completely singular. There's no break in the line. That's a very hard piece of geometry to actually create at the time as well. It's extremely complex because all of this feeds into itself. There's no break in that line. It's a very complex geometry. But that same type of geometry is also found in the hypergym and it's found in Red Oka on the painting, these swirling, these swirling kind of motifs. So it's very interesting. You have these weird correlations between places that were separated by entire oceans in Neolithic time.

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that represents sound waves?

• 2:17:28Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, I think it's about the flow of acoustics, the flow of, of, of movement and, and sound. And that was perhaps their interpretation or perhaps they had a visual hallucination that gave them the idea of it being this kind of like swirling pattern. But yeah, I, I find this- Yeah, this is Ireland. And there's just some striking similarities between places like this and places in Malta. So again, it just leads into the idea that there was perhaps a, you know, globally maritime connected civilization that was using these psychoacoustic attributions in sites to produce novel effects of consciousness, you know, inducing brain hemisphere synchronization, just like they're trying to do in my ass with the CIA.

• 2:18:06Joe Rogan?

  And here's the real question. How did they learn how to do that?

• 2:18:09Speaker 01

  How did they learn how to do that?

• 2:18:10Joe Rogan?

  And how long did it take before you figured out how to carve that out of a mountain?

• 2:18:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. You know, these are the questions that are absolutely not being answered by our understanding of history. These are the, you know, the Red Oka, um, uh, the, the more rough ones are the ones in the hypergym. Incredibly old, also, also a very good. Everywhere. Yeah, like, it's, it's nuts. Is that, that, other cultures have that as well, right? Those spirals? Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. So that right there is also in Newgrange in Ireland, like, pretty much the same. Right, but not just those two places, there's some other places in the world. Yes, the swirling motif is one of the oldest. I mean, it is one of the oldest, it's, you know, it's everywhere. But the implication of it being about sound is very interesting when you find it represented in places that are absolutely acoustically tuned from prehistory.

• 2:18:59Speaker 01

  Weird. Yeah, dude, like, you know, it's weird. There's another one in Peru called Chavindehuanta, which is a, there's a temple built above it. This is another thing that you find. I mean, this one in Malta, they haven't done this, but you do definitely seem to find layering, like Gunampadang in Indonesia, where you have like the original structure below and people are just piling up on top of it over time. So in Chavindehuanta in Peru, you have this amazing temple site, but below ground is a labyrinth of corridors that also propagate acoustics to the point where it brings up infrasound. So below this is a, is an infrasonic laboratory essentially of labyrinthine passages that we used for ritual acoustics. And they actually found inside of this conch shells that had been purposefully re-engineered to produce a new harmonic when blown into them.

• 2:19:43Speaker 01

  Like, they had actually changed them into a different type. Oh, so they'd go in the acoustic chambers and blow the conch shells? And blow the conch shells, and someone would obviously be walking through this, perhaps as a form of rite of passage, but... Could you imagine going back in time and seeing what these fucking people were up to? I know, man, I really want to. Just being a fly on the wall. I wish we could, yeah. So that, you know, it's not incredibly profound stonemasonry, but it does produce infrasonic reverberation. They have proven that and looked it up. And, and yeah, the conch shells were found there that have got all of these designs on them and have been purposely changed to produce a different sound. So there is a, there is a clear lineage of acoustic science way before acoustic science was acoustic science, you know, at least to our terms. So, brings up big questions. And the fact that it was influencing consciousness.

• 2:20:27Speaker 01

  I think that we just had an incredibly intelligent but shamanically orientated society at one point. You know, we were using our human ingenuity, but we were using it to create effects more spiritually aligned than anything else. And, you know, these are all chambers for inducing... Expanded states of consciousness.

• 2:20:45Joe Rogan?

  The real question, though, is what technology were they utilizing for the construction? That's the real question, especially when you get to the megalithic stuff.

• 2:20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Like what is this? Because this is not what we're saying it is. There's no way this is stone tools. There's no way this is copper. This is something nutty.

• 2:23:05Speaker 01

  Well, that's why the nubs are interesting because it almost seems like the stone was being softened. And perhaps like, you know, if you were pulling a spoon out of hot toffee, you'd get that pullback, right? You'd get like a little kind of protrusion that came out of it.

• 2:23:17Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't you want to smooth that down though?

• 2:23:18Speaker 01

  But they do, and then they don't. That's what's really weird about it, especially in Peru. Peru has so many stone nubs. Like, there's a place in Peru called the Coricancha, which is like the kind of main temple in Cusco, the sun temple. And, you know, these precision, there's various layers of architecture in Peru, albeit it's all being attributed to the Inca, which is weird. Rough-cut stonework, then the weird megalithic kind of smushed-together stones. Then you have what's called ashlar stonework, which is where it's like a bunker. If you look at the, it's spelt with a Q. Q-O-R-I-K-A-N-C-H-A. Coricancha. If you look it up, like, and look in, yeah, so you

• 2:24:03Speaker 01

  have to go inside it really to really get this, the bunkers inside of it. Look at the wall on the outside, actually, real quick. Before you do that, if you click on one of these images and just enlarge it, the first one's probably the best one. Yeah, so that's ashlar stonework. That bottom bit, that is original. This was built by the conquistadors, right? The rest of it's been built up by the conquistadors from Spain. But this original stonework is also represented inside with these incredible bunkers. So if you type in like bunker, it's got, yeah, like, this image here, like, the level of precision on these is absolutely phenomenal. I mean, we're

• 2:24:43Speaker 01

  talking just complete, precise, fitting stones, not globular like saxo woman, like marshmallows, but just precise blocks. Like these bunkers here, yeah, like down here. This is all original work, and then they built a, you know, a Spanish-inspired temple over the top of it.

• 2:24:59Joe Rogan?

  So what you're asserting is that this was here first?

• 2:25:01Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, yeah. This stuff, it was here first. Like, this stuff was absolutely here first. And if you look up, there's a little nub. Little stone nub right at the top there. Yeah. And they, but some of these walls have like ten nubs on them, like one here, one here, one here. And then there's none. So it's like they were smoothing out some of them, leaving others. Some have speculated that it's a form of language because in Peru, the Inca, do you know what the Inca language was? They're like written language. It was called quipu and it wasn't written. It was pieces of string with knots on them in different colors. That was, that was the historical language. So it was literally like a line of different strings, different lengths, different colors with little knots in them, which corresponded to data. And most of this was lost by the Spanish conquistadors because they went over there and was like, burn this shit,

• 2:25:45Speaker 01

  burn this pagan nonsense. Yeah, this is, this was their language. Oh my. This was their language. And it just made me wonder, obviously this is a complete guess, but it just made me wonder if like the stone nubs are stone quipu. Is it a stone version with all these different nubs on different places and different areas? Cause it just feels like, especially in the Corte Cancha, which is a temple, it's a regal temple. Why would you leave the nubs on? Like you said, why wouldn't they smooth these down? So it's almost like it's, it's meant to tell us something and they're left in very specific areas. Then in Peru, you get stone nubs protruding straight out of bedrock. That's what weirds me out is that it's not just on the crafted stones, but like a Shia rock face that's been obviously kind of quarried down by some unknown technique without any chisel marks, just straight.

• 2:26:30Speaker 01

  And then you have like a group of nubs coming out of the stone. So Peru is, is just full of contradictory architecture. And I think that, you know, the Spanish went over there and they saw places like Sacsayoman and they attributed to the Inca. You know, they attributed the Inca, the Andean shamans say it's not the Inca. You know, the Inca themselves, to the Spanish conquistadors said, we found these places. But we take the words of the Spanish conquistadors and we apply it to our knowledge set and we teach that. And it's just like I was saying to you before, we, we're basing so much of our history off of like the word of people from like the 1800s. When clearly we're seeing contradictions of that, even in, as Graham Hancock would certainly say, the oral traditions of the local region.

• 2:27:12Speaker 01

  The people are saying differently, but we're listening to the foreigners who went over there and destroyed things and burnt things and burnt the keeper and went back and taught us what their civilization is all about. It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, Peru's fascinating, dude. Peru is one of the most interesting places I've ever been.

• 2:27:28Joe Rogan?

  And has it had the same level of discovery of?

• 2:27:34Speaker 01

  Not like Egypt.

• 2:27:35Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 2:27:35Speaker 01

  No, I mean, like, there are areas in Peru. In fact, shout out to my friend Raul Bilecki from Pillars of the Past. He's a guy who's out there in Peru, literally just going out into the middle of nowhere. He's found pyramid sites in the middle of nowhere that have absolutely zero recording, no excavation, no study, no name, just, they don't exist in the record. But they're out there in the middle of nowhere, in Peru. And so like Peru has-

• 2:28:02Joe Rogan?

  How many?

• 2:28:03Speaker 01

  He found a pretty impressive complex, actually. He found a pretty impressive complex. He's got videos of it, like drone footage.

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  So it's one of the places where you could actually still be a real explorer and find things for the first time.

• 2:28:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you want to go off into the Andean mountains, like, he's finding stuff in the Andean, high up in the mountains, that nobody's documented, like, nobody's seeing it. He's a real, you know, real adventurer, but it just proves that, yeah, like you said, there are still places like this where you can do discovery.

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 2:28:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Peru's-

• 2:28:30Joe Rogan?

  That is really-

• 2:28:31Speaker 01

  And then obviously you have the Amazon rainforest, and like, you know,

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:33Speaker 01

  All of the things that could be in there through LiDAR, we're already seeing so much geometry, so much evidence that there was a massive amount of civilization going on in that jungle. So, you know, this is, you know, getting very interesting to me. And again, this weird climatological stability through the last glacial maximums, the Younger Dryas, this period of about 6,000 years where they had access to development without being disturbed. So, you know, you have these incredible anti-seismic, anti-earthquake megalithic structures in Peru using materials that they shouldn't have been able to use, using multi-ton stones. That's an interesting area, although I will say that it's made out of tuff, which is volcanic rock, very easy to cut, because it's actually compressed ash. So that's a really cool place, but it's not as mind-blowing in terms of how they cut the rock,

• 2:29:18Speaker 01

  because it's extremely soft rock, but-

• 2:29:21Joe Rogan?

  So this is doable?

• 2:29:23Speaker 01

  This is doable. This is doable. But there are other things. In fact, if we could, could you go on my YouTube channel real quick?

• 2:29:32Speaker 01

  There's an area in Saxa Waman which has got, there's a diorite outcrop, which is incredibly hard stone. There's a measurement of hardness scale that goes up to 10 with diamond being the hardest, and diorite sits at about 6.5 to 7 out of 10, whereas bronze sits at 3 to 3.5 out of 10. So, you know, there's a discrepancy with the hardness of the material to start with. Can you see my video? Yes, if you go back to the beginning, sorry, I wish I could see the screen. It's gonna be difficult, I think. Keep it playing, though, I'll talk about this and it will come up in a moment, I'm sure. But all across Peru, you have these incredibly precise cuts into bedrock with very little

• 2:30:14Speaker 01

  evidence of any sort of chisel marks and no real understanding of how they were able to excavate it. You know, these incredible just voids into the rock. But there's one area in particular, this is just the beginning of my video, but there's one area in particular in Saxa Waman, which is this gigantic... You could probably just type it in, if you typed in Saxa Waman diorite steps, or something like that. Saxa Waman's not the easiest word. I know. S-A-Q, S-A-Q, S-A-Y, Saxa Waman, W-A-M-A-N. Yeah, Saxa Waman, diorite steps. Diorite spelt, sorry mate. Dior. Yeah, D-I-O-R-I-T-E.

• 2:30:58Speaker 01

  Goddammit. It's alright, brother. But, I mean, I think we're actually getting... What's that? I'm trying to listen while I'm typing and it's... No, I know, it's alright, dude. But, yeah, so, yes, that's the one. So, this is diorite, this is incredibly hard stone. To give some context, you know, the stones at Saxa Waman are extremely impressive, but they are made of limestone, a little bit softer, bit more workable. This is impossible. If you can find a HD, I've got a 4K video of this, like, that's why I wanted to see it in that video, but if you can find a HD image, it's shined like a marble top. Like, these are just precision cut into this huge outcrop of diorite, which they actually believe...

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  Believe was a magma burst, so a huge blob of magma came bursting out of the out of the ground and formed into this huge stone mound that's adjacent to Saxa Woman. And you've got cuts like this where it's just insanely perfect. And this is not possible with a Bronze Age toolkit. This to me is actually more interesting in in some ways than Saxa Woman itself. Because it's just a complete contradiction of the Bronze Age tools. You shouldn't be able to do that on diorite.

• 2:32:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's wild. I mean, how long did that take?

• 2:32:14Speaker 01

  And it's smoothed down to a point where it's like shiny.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  And what did they do?

• 2:32:18Speaker 01

  And what's the purpose of it? Why? Like, and and there's all these weird little cuts.

• 2:32:22Joe Rogan?

  Doing something like that.

• 2:32:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's all these weird little cuts into the stone like that. And across Peru, you just find like, you know, these voids where it's just like a ninety degree cut into stone with perfect finish and no sign of chiseling.

• 2:32:34Joe Rogan?

  And the weird thing is the back is smooth too.

• 2:32:35Speaker 01

  And the back is also smooth.

• 2:32:37Joe Rogan?

  How did you get it out of there?

• 2:32:37Speaker 01

  Dude, this is the thing, man. I just find that so like fascinating. This is what really fascinates me.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Clearly seems like there's a lost technology.

• 2:32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  That these ancient people had figured something out. They probably existed for thousands of years. They're probably really advanced, just in a different pipeline.

• 2:32:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  They went in a different highway.

• 2:32:56Speaker 01

  I will say this, and I'm sure you'll be happy that I'm bringing him up. There is one guy out there who's trying his best to prove how they were liquefying stone and then bringing it back. And I only know his X handle, which is F O M A H U N, like F O M A H U N. I can't remember his actual name, but I've been talking to him. I'm thinking of actually going out to visit him and film him doing this. But he's been demonstrating making teddy bear casts of rose granite and things like this. And for a long time, he wasn't revealing how he was doing it. So I kind of just was like, whatever, dude, like, I don't think that you're actually doing this. But he's now actually revealed his secret ingredient, which is slaked lime, like this slaked lime, which was very easy to make for them, and water glass, which again is something that they could have made.

• 2:33:40Speaker 01

  I don't know the science behind this, to be fair, so I'm just going to briefly say that I think he's got some provocative ideas here. Because he's actually adding like this water glass and slaked lime to like, you know, mixed up compounds of granite or limestone, like crushed up granite, crushed up limestone, adding the slate lime, adding the water glass. And then it's solidifying into solid granite, like within six hours.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:34:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he's got like literal like teddy bear casts and like, you know, different like cookie cutter casts of solid granite. And so there's a potential that it's really simple, but totally been overlooked. You know, it's just using the the right compounds, the right components and the right stone mixture. Again, how do they learn this? But it, you know, it's not definitive, but he he's one of the only people I've seen that's actually presented actual evidence that could explain how they were doing this. And it's relatively simple ingredients.

• 2:34:30Joe Rogan?

  That would account for some things, correct?

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  Yes, but not.

• 2:34:33Joe Rogan?

  The problem is the enormous, okay, so this guy.

• 2:34:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, so he's, um, I think so. If you go up and make sure he's actually the right person. Yes, yes, there we go. Marcel.

• 2:34:43Joe Rogan?

  Brilliant idea to create artificial granite with nothing as an additive to water glass, the latter being the glue between original granite grains. Why? Because I realize we need full transparency in order to clearly see the original granite grains like quartz. We need a fake quartz as a binder. Well, nothing did not work because the outside layer prevented the thing to get hard inside. Oh, well, nothing did not work, I guess. I don't know how you say that. Now, what we are seeing is made with a secret additive. Let's call it almost nothing that did not change transparency of the water glass, but forced it to set from the inside.

• 2:35:24Joe Rogan?

  So remember, this is the wannabe binder only of artificial granite, not granite itself.

• 2:35:30Speaker 01

  It's very interesting, and he's revealed that it's slaked lime, this secret ingredient. For a while, he wasn't saying what it is. Now he said it's slate lime. So I'm actually going to go out to, uh, he lives in Budapest. I'm going to go to Budapest and actually film, uh, him doing this to to see if he's, you know, right about this. He's actually, I think, one of the originators of the whole Natron theory, which I haven't dived too deep into, but it's one of the explanations behind melting the stone. So I started paying more attention to him once I was in Peru. And he was messaging me saying, you know, this is what I think is going on here as they were using these ingredients to, uh, to melt the stone, well, to to solidify crushed up stone and, uh, create molds. My issue, yeah, my my one, one issue I do.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  How they crush up the stones? That seems like it'd be harder than moving.

• 2:36:12Speaker 01

  Maybe using harder rocks, like, you know, just like smash, smash. But yeah, exactly. You need to, I mean, how much stone smashing would you need to do to create Saksawoman? All these areas.

• 2:36:19Joe Rogan?

  Eighty tons of smashed.

• 2:36:21Speaker 01

  Plus, plus. Every single block is different. You'd be talking about millions of molds. Like if we're talking about molds here, then every single block is completely different. So you need an individual mold for each one. So yeah, compelling idea. Does it answer it? No. Nothing ever seems to fully answer it, but it's compelling that he's trying to actually find a way to solidify the stone and it seems to be working. Whether it explains all of it, I don't know, but there's certainly a lot of people that will say that, you know, this is the definitive explanation behind it. I don't think that, but.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  The thing that these.

• 2:36:53Speaker 01

  It's compelling.

• 2:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Amazing sites have in common is that they are so spectacular, no one really has a logical explanation.

• 2:37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  That's it's one of the coolest things about the most ancient of sites is that it forces you to go, wait, wait, wait. Even the best people don't.

• 2:37:10Speaker 01

  Defies probability.

• 2:37:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:12Speaker 01

  It defies probability. It's truly, truly fascinating, man.

• 2:37:16Joe Rogan?

  It was a national project.

• 2:37:19Joe Rogan?

  So simple. I get it now.

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, man. That's the thing is like, I know this outdated kind of dismissal of everyone on the outside of the academic. Yeah, gatekeeping, you know, he wants to say he's not a gatekeeper. He clearly is.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  It's not yours, buddy.

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  Did you know he came through the Edgar Cayce Foundation?

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  Wonderful.

• 2:37:35Speaker 01

  He did. Zahi Was originated in the Edgar Cayce Foundation, so he got funded. And weirdly enough, he was actually quite pro these ideas until about the mid 90s. So there's like a 1993 quote from him at a university in Cairo where he was saying something along the lines of, there are tunnels underneath the Sphinx that lead down into greater structures. And when we truly understand this, we will understand the real builders of the pyramids. That was the last time he said anything close to that. Post 1993, about 1993 and be 96, but after that, complete polar opposite 90 degree change. I wonder what happened to Zahi.

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  Who knows? I don't understand why, if you really want that place to get. More money, more tourism, more people interested in it.

• 2:38:21Speaker 01

  Say it's an Atlantean structure, right?

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, just be open to all of these people that are like yourself and like Graham Hancock. Why wouldn't you not be open to these people and their ideas? Like, they're clearly very well-versed. Like Ben van Kirkwick.

• 2:38:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, he's brilliant.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  He's incredible.

• 2:38:39Speaker 01

  Fantastic guy.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  He's an encyclopedia of information about Egypt. And why would you not want that guy exploring publicly and also reaching millions of people, by the way?

• 2:38:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't you want that? It doesn't make any sense.

• 2:38:51Speaker 01

  I think there's like a, maybe like a bit of a cultural arrogance, like, who do you think you are, Westerner? Coming over here and teaching us about our history? I think there's a level of that, like, you know, at least on a surface layer, before you get into the deeper implications of, you know, Freemason secret societies keeping things from us.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  My true fear is that it's people just have this desire to be the one in charge of stuff.

• 2:39:11Speaker 01

  Right. And the desire to be right.

• 2:39:13Joe Rogan?

  They want to be the boss. They never want to be proven wrong.

• 2:39:16Speaker 01

  And who's this guy? Who's this podcaster? Who's coming on and telling me what my country's heritage is? And I, you know, I think there's a...

• 2:39:22Joe Rogan?

  But the problem with that is like even mainstream archaeologists are angry about it.

• 2:39:26Speaker 01

  Right. Like... Right. Well, everyone gangs together. You know, they all gang together. It's group think.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also a lot of... There's a lot of bitches in archaeology.

• 2:39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. I've noticed that.

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Bitchy people.

• 2:39:36Speaker 01

  I've noticed that, yeah.

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  There's, it's such a bad look for the profession. It really is. Because immature...

• 2:39:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like snarky...

• 2:39:45Joe Rogan?

  Shitty comments.

• 2:39:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:39:47Joe Rogan?

  Like aspersions of racism. Shut up. It's, it's, it's a really gross field in terms of like some of the humans are on it.

• 2:39:55Speaker 01

  I came through the toxicity of the UFO community, which is like so bad. And, you know, I thought it'd be... Yeah, a lot of kooks, but also just a lot of bad actors and hackers and people that want to, you know... One thing on the UFO subject, actually, which I do think is worth noting, because like I said to you, I think I'm one of the first people that you've had on that had to actually make their way through the social media interactions. And one of the things that a lot of us noticed, and I have to give credit to a couple of people, like Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra on Twitter, two very good researchers that have been highlighting this, is that...

• 2:40:30Speaker 01

  When the whole 2017 narrative and Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon, all these guys started coming out, obviously, we were all extremely excited about it. Over time, there were some issues, like some contradictions. Lou Elizondo especially has contradicted himself quite a lot. And some of us started to get a little bit suspicious of these people and just started asking questions. It didn't take long for us to be targeted by a pretty significant network online of people that were trying to hack and dox us. And people like, he hasn't put his actual name out there, but people like Red Panda Koala was doxed online, had his family house put out online,

• 2:41:12Speaker 01

  had photos of his underage sister put out online by a group of individuals who are all very closely connected to Lou Elizondo. And this is something that you would not notice outside of being in the minutia of X, because you would see these troll accounts, these really nasty troll accounts, that were all being followed by Lou. And when they were having their accounts shut down and reinstated, Lou was one of the first people following them. Some people have actually come out about this group now and revealed screenshots of DMs where they're in private conversations with people like Lou and Gary and some of these other guys, who I got connected to early on, very early on. I got some of the first interviews with these people

• 2:41:55Speaker 01

  and was very pro it, until I started realizing that they were very much trying to control the narrative and there were things you couldn't speak about, can't talk about, reverse engineering or consciousness-initiated contact, anything to do with Greer is completely poisonous. Lou Elizondo was actually, he called Greer and a couple of other people terrorists. He said, "I wouldn't negotiate with terrorists" when asked about Stephen Greer. But what people have dubbed this as is the UFO Hate Group. It's very well-known online, the UFO Hate Group. And it's a group of people that are so savagely in favor of people like Lou and this kind of modernized narrative, that if you even go half an inch, like I really gained my accolades in

• 2:42:37Speaker 01

  the UFO community, people really praising me for the interviews I was getting, until I started asking a few questions about people like Lou and suddenly I get an absolute maelstrom of hatred from people that were once really enjoying my content. And I'm quite lucky, I haven't been targeted so heavily. Some people have had their lives ruined by these people who are all connected to individuals like Lou. And Lou actually said that he came to burn ufology to the ground. Like, he actually said that in an article. He was like, "I wanna burn ufology, I wanna destroy it."

• 2:43:07Joe Rogan?

  When did he say that?

• 2:43:08Speaker 01

  Oh, it was like in like, a few years back now.

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  But why did he say it? What was the context?

• 2:43:12Speaker 01

  Um, I think it was just about the way in which the UFO community has, you know, been misrepresenting the phenomena and like the confusing spaghetti junction of narratives. And he just kind of, I wanna put a hard reset.

• 2:43:23Joe Rogan?

  But if he actually knew things, doesn't that kind of actually make sense to say?

• 2:43:25Speaker 01

  Does he, does he know things?

• 2:43:27Joe Rogan?

  You don't think he knows things?

• 2:43:28Speaker 01

  What does he know?

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:43:29Speaker 01

  Exactly. Right? They all know something, but none of them can tell us. And they all knew it from someone else. And someone else told them, and they knew it, and they know this. And like, dude, I was so in love with all of this. I, you have to understand that I was truly, I was a believer. I was like, "This is amazing." I had my orb experiences, so I had a bias already. I was like, "I'm ready to believe in whatever you're saying." It took me a while to start actually realizing that this is not going in a direction I think it should be going, and that there's a heavily curated narrative. And if you try and question the narrative, you will be punished by group think. It felt like, honestly, I started to feel like I was in a COVID cult for ufology, where you just can't talk about Lou Elizondo in a bad light. Regardless of the fact that this man has gone onstage and presented literal fake UFO photos to the public, which have been debunked in less than 24 hours.

• 2:44:14Speaker 01

  And he had to admit that they were fake because of the debunks. But people are just happy to forget these things happened. Like, he went up in a congressional setting and held up a UFO photo that was proven to just be, uh, fields, like agricultural fields. Yes, this is a fake. This, th- th- that's not a shadow. That's a darker field next to the lighter field. These are two circles. And this was proven. He had to admit it. He had to, this is in a congressional setting. This man apparently ran the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program? I call bullshit. I don't believe he did, because he seems like more of a government stooge. And he feels like someone that would be sent out to do what he admits he was doing, counterintelligence.

• 2:44:57Speaker 01

  He's a counterintelligence, counterterrorism, counterespionage guy. Not a UFO guy. I'm a counterterrorism, counterespionage guy.

• 2:45:03Joe Rogan?

  He's also one of the guys calling for amnesty, right?

• 2:45:06Speaker 01

  Oh, how surprising. Yeah, exactly.

• 2:45:08Joe Rogan?

  Isn't he?

• 2:45:09Speaker 01

  Color me shocked. Yeah, no, he is. Like, you know, color me shocked.

• 2:45:11Joe Rogan?

  Does he say that in the, because a lot of them do say it. I want to make sure that he actually said that.

• 2:45:15Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  In the age of disclosure.

• 2:45:16Speaker 01

  I'll be perfectly honest with you, Joe. I haven't even fucking watched it because I'm just not interested in that element of the UFO subject anymore. I've been burned by these guys. I've had Gary Nolan emailing me like, why aren't you on the team anymore? Why don't you like be a team player? It's like, because you're literally telling me that I can't tell my own fucking truth. You're censoring me and saying that I'm not being a team player just because I have questions.

• 2:45:34Joe Rogan?

  Censoring you about? What in particular?

• 2:45:36Speaker 01

  Well, I was.

• 2:45:37Joe Rogan?

  Or attempting to get you to stop talking about specifically?

• 2:45:41Speaker 01

  Primarily, there seems to have been a bit of an issue with the way that I've been talking about Lou and his association with ATIP. Because I think that ATIP was actually a cutout. It wasn't a real program. And it was a cutout that was actually created for To The Stars Academy. And ORSAP, which was more of a kind of, you know, precursor program, wasn't being run by Lou Elizondo. That's the Advanced Weapon Application Space Program. I forgot the actual acronym now, ORSAP. ATIP is meant to be Lou's and I just think that, well, I have to be careful. But a very prominent journalist in the UFO community literally told me that Lou told him that this is, this was all created for To The Stars Academy. As like a way to, you know, generate a, an understandable structure.

• 2:46:25Speaker 01

  Here's this guy, he's, you know, running ATIP. I have an issue with the idea that someone like Lou Elizondo can go to the New York Times and say that the Secretary of Defense wasn't being briefed on UFOs. And I'm the one that was running a program when people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are being thrown to the wolves for just revealing standard national security issues. This is meant to be even deeper, right? It's a black, black budget. This guy can just roll out to the New York Times? Seems a little bit planned. Seems a little bit curated and forced. So I started asking those questions and especially when things like this were happening, where there were discrepancies, where he's bringing up images that are being debunked. It was like, who is this guy? You know, who is this guy really? And then his book comes out and he's talking about being the, the torture czar in Guantanamo Bay.

• 2:47:10Speaker 01

  And, you know, the, the people there called him the Darth Vader of the United States. This is in his book. You know, that he, he admitted they called him the torture czar of Guantanamo Bay. Because you know, he ran Camp Platinum at Guantanamo Bay, black site, CIA black site.

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:47:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, you know, um, he actually had in his book that the, he was known as the, the Darth Vader of the United States by certain people and the, and the torture czar. Of Guantanamo Bay. I don't really trust people like this who, you know, waterboarded people for a living and are now trying to tell me what's going on in the UFO subject.

• 2:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's, let's ask this question. What, what purpose would there be to muddy the narrative? If you wanted to have a government agent come out and have what you're claiming is like a fake disclosure, like a government narrated disclosure, what would be the purpose of that?

• 2:47:59Speaker 01

  What are they all asking for, Joe?

• 2:48:01Joe Rogan?

  Money?

• 2:48:02Speaker 01

  Amnesty.

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Amnesty.

• 2:48:04Speaker 01

  Amnesty. And what was happening before that is you had someone like Stephen Greer just saying, these people need to go to jail. And that was the only big voice in the UFO community.

• 2:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe they're offering a window to possible disclosure, though.

• 2:48:16Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 2:48:17Joe Rogan?

  If we give them this fucking amnesty, if we don't, what happens? Nothing. It keeps going the same way it's been going. There's no actual disclosure. We keep talking about it. It gets nuts. It gets to the point where it's driving you crazy. Like, I don't even want to hear about any fucking UFOs until you show me one. But if it's a real subject, and the only thing that's keeping us from learning this real subject is that. And so they're trying to push out this narrative of amnesty. I'll bite. What are we talking about?

• 2:48:45Speaker 01

  I think for me, again, coming up through it and just seeing how these people actually act when you challenge them, and the fact that there were absolutely organized groups of, quite frankly, quite mentally unstable people that were very easily misled into believing they're important.

• 2:48:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:59Speaker 01

  Who are getting brought into these Signal chats, these private group chats, and, you know, I'm in, I'm in touch with Lou Elizondo. I'm, you know, I'm one of those guys. I'm being brought in. And, you know, they tried to do that.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Useful idiot.

• 2:49:08Speaker 01

  Useful idiot. And like, there's a lot of them. And, you know, there's a few people out there that are extremely dark individuals. Like, we're talking like, you know, connected to all sorts of weird Satanism groups. And Lou's just there of selfies, like, hanging out with these guys. Like, he's a dodgy dude. I don't care. He's like, you know, I'm freaked out even saying this on the Joe Rogan. You know, he's like, he's gonna remote view my brain or something. But at the same time, he is a dodgy guy. Like, he's shady.

• 2:49:31Joe Rogan?

  But you do believe in the existence of these things?

• 2:49:34Speaker 01

  Dude, I've had orbs hover over my house. Like, yeah, like, reverse engineering.

• 2:49:37Joe Rogan?

  So what you think is that there is a clear... Decision somewhere in our government to muddy the water and to put out this narrative that these whistleblowers are trying to tell everybody, so to slowly trickle this stuff out there and then float out amnesty, which is a big part of the age disclosure documentary, for really the first time, I've ever heard anybody like, where everyone uniformly talks about that one particular subject?

• 2:50:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I think that that's the, that's the, the goal, is to create a curated soft disclosure that does the very best to paint the government in the best possible light and allows them to actually kind of not face too much punishment for what's been going on in the legacy programs. Again, if you only had someone like Stephen Greer out there, he, he was offering a completely different thing. We need to punish these people. Like, they are criminals. They've ruined humanity for a hundred years of stagnating technological progress.

• 2:50:29Joe Rogan?

  He got a little testy, got a little testy with that. Should've, should've taken a little softer tone.

• 2:50:34Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 2:50:35Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm saying with him, like, maybe if he did that, maybe they would've, uh, not been so defensive, like, fuck, they wanna lock us up.

• 2:50:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's it, that's why.

• 2:50:45Joe Rogan?

  As soon as you say you're gonna lock someone up for what they did, they're gonna say, I didn't do anything.

• 2:50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:48Joe Rogan?

  And they're gonna keep saying that.

• 2:50:49Speaker 01

  But that's why they got rid of him. That's why they got rid of him. That's why Gary Nolan, who was originally with Greer, then changed over to Two Stars Academy, and they poached quite a few people from his team and brought him over to TTSA, and he became a pariah. You know, again, he's, you know, he says a lot of things that, quite frankly, I don't agree with, but I, I just think that basically they tried to overtake the narrative and they needed government representatives to run this. And I just, again.

• 2:51:15Joe Rogan?

  It's how they do everything. Why would we be shocked that they do it about something this important?

• 2:51:19Speaker 01

  Well, exactly.

• 2:51:19Joe Rogan?

  Especially if there is lying to Congress, misappropriation of funds, and for sure, some fraud, for sure. You're talking about a shit ton of money.

• 2:51:28Speaker 01

  One thing, um, one thing that does interest me, though, is the ARV, the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, the Fluxliner. Have you heard of this?

• 2:51:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:51:37Speaker 01

  You know, about Mark McCandlish and the Alien Reproduction Vehicle?

• 2:51:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:51:41Speaker 01

  Well, that's something you should know. If you type in ARV Fluxliner, you'll get this image right away. This is one of the avenues that I would actually pay attention to and think, okay. I think something's going on here. Mark McCandlish was an aerospace illustrator for the US Air Force. That's the, yep, so the actual-

• 2:51:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I have seen this.

• 2:52:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course you have. It's very classic. And that one that's blue with the writing all over it, that's what was held up at the 2001 National Press Conference organized by Dr Stephen Greer. Again, like, you know, this isn't new. Like, to be fair to Dr Greer, he brought like over 50 witnesses on live television during the National Press Conference, and one of them was Mark McCandlish, military illustrator who drew this sketch.

• 2:52:26Joe Rogan?

  A friend of mine has a version of this framed in his house.

• 2:52:30Speaker 01

  So do I.

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  I need to get one. We need to get one for the studio, right?

• 2:52:33Speaker 01

  You can literally get one on Etsy for like a hundred bucks.

• 2:52:36Joe Rogan?

  Let's fucking go.

• 2:52:37Speaker 01

  It's like that big, big one on Etsy. But, so, this is important. Mark McCandlish, he actually ended up taking his own life.

• 2:52:45Joe Rogan?

  Go that, back to that again? I want to read the heading. It says, "According to this documentary, we had the technology for faster-than-light travel and zero-point energy for a very long time. Let's pretend this is true. How do we know the UAPs we sent aren't ours and more modern built?"

• 2:53:03Speaker 01

  The person who made this documentary died of an aggressive form of cancer not long after making it. He was quite a young man as well, documentary filmmaker who made this. But Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, he had a friend called Brad Sorensen. Now, Brad Sorensen was a government guy, aerospace engineer, Lockheed Martin, had quite an extensive portfolio. And Brad Sorensen goes to his buddy, one day, Mark McCandlish, and he says, "I was shown something, and I want you to draw it. I'm going to describe it to you in great detail, and I want you to create the illustration." Brad Sorensen says that, I think it was in like the 70s or like early, late 60s or early 70s, that he was invited to a private airshow at Lockheed Martin by an individual

• 2:53:47Speaker 01

  who was a good friend of his in the military, who was higher up than him. And apparently, this, you know, he didn't have the, what they call the tickets, the right classifications to actually get access to this private airshow, but his friend brought him because he had the tickets. And essentially, they bring him into a hangar in Lockheed Martin, where three large sources of varying size were hovering a few feet off of the ground. They were described as instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems. That's the way that they were actually classifying them, had a nickname for a mama-

• 2:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Instantaneous-

• 2:54:21Speaker 01

  Instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems. Like, the idea that you could just instantaneously deliver a nuclear payload to anywhere in the world.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:54:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, which is again, one of the reasons why they might keep this stuff secret.

• 2:54:33Speaker 01

  The ships were nicknamed Mama Bear, Baby Bear, and Papa Bear.

• 2:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:54:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, what's really interesting about this is that Brad Sorensen has never gone public. But I was in the room when he was phoned. And I've heard him say things that have never been on the record before. Um, no one's ever contacted Brad Sorensen. Mark McCandlish took his own life a number of years ago. His closest friends would say that that was not anything untoward. It's hard to know. I didn't know the man. All I know is this is the man that produced an incredibly profound illustration and then eventually took his own life. Um, but his friend Brad Sorensen has never gone public, ever, never. I've got quite a few contacts now because of my research and, you know, affiliations that I've managed to gain with people in like the US Navy and, you know, intel.

• 2:55:21Speaker 01

  And a good friend of mine who was able to actually find his number and get in touch with Brad Sorensen. I was present when he was phoned. And, uh, you know, my friend introduces himself to him and he'd never spoken to him before. And they were just talking shop, first of all. He said that he wanted to reach out to him because he'd heard about him through various stories online. But, you know, anyway, to cut the long story short, he asked him, my friend asked him about Mark McCandlish and this alien reproduction vehicle. And Brad Sorensen went off on quite a diatribe, actually. Uh, very angry about Mark and how he said that I gave this man the keys to the kingdom and he went out and told the whole fucking world.

• 2:56:06Speaker 01

  And I will never do that because my employers will fry me. He said, "They will fucking fry me if I speak out about this. But I am capable of building and designing an aircraft that can go 210 times the speed of light."

• 2:56:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, they reiterated that multiple times.

• 2:56:29Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:56:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I um.

• 2:56:32Joe Rogan?

  What year was this?

• 2:56:34Speaker 01

  I've sat on this for a couple of years. It's about two years ago that my friend phoned him.

• 2:56:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was.

• 2:56:41Joe Rogan?

  Instantaneous nuclear payload delivery.

• 2:56:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can imagine that's how the national security system would actually look at this. No, it doesn't exploratory vessel, but let's be honest, what is this? It's a payload delivery system that's instantaneous. Let's be honest. That's what they would look at it as, right? Another reason to keep it secret probably.

• 2:57:00Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:57:01Speaker 01

  But that was, you know, I, I would love to get him on record. I don't know if he ever will, Brad, if you're listening to this, I would like to get you on record. But he, uh, yeah, he, he said that, he said that he can design a craft that goes 210 times the speed of light.

• 2:57:15Speaker 01

  And this is the guy that gave Mark McCandlish the illustrations to create that ARV. So it's just weird.

• 2:57:22Speaker 01

  I mean, it's weird, dude.

• 2:57:24Joe Rogan?

  This is the real question. What would civilization be like had this stuff not been kept secret?

• 2:57:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:57:30Joe Rogan?

  What, what, if we had access to that kind of energy, whatever that thing is operating on?

• 2:57:37Joe Rogan?

  Could you imagine if you had access to that energy and you're watching all these idiots burn coal?

• 2:57:40Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:57:41Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 2:57:41Speaker 01

  What are you doing?

• 2:57:42Joe Rogan?

  But you can't say anything?

• 2:57:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:43Joe Rogan?

  Cause you have a instantaneous.

• 2:57:45Speaker 01

  I would, I would hate.

• 2:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Delivery system.

• 2:57:47Speaker 01

  I'd hate to be these people. I'd hate to be these people.

• 2:57:49Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:57:50Speaker 01

  Imagine sitting there knowing that we have access to these kind of technologies.

• 2:57:52Joe Rogan?

  Also like this desire to tell people something that's really important to humanity. They can't all be complete sociopaths.

• 2:57:58Speaker 01

  But maybe they do, like they screen them for that reason. You know what I mean? Like they have to be a certain personality type. I don't give a fuck about humanity.

• 2:58:04Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think honestly, I think at highest levels of these, especially these military corporations. I think you just have to become that anyway.

• 2:58:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, by force of nature.

• 2:58:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, well, we're gonna kill 100,000 people today.

• 2:58:17Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Yeah, exactly. I mean, how emotionally attached can you possibly be in that kind of?

• 2:58:21Joe Rogan?

  Be task oriented.

• 2:58:22Speaker 01

  Position. So, you know, the, yeah, the ARV is a provocative one for me. And to be honest, man, I think a lot of this, I mean, it's called the ARV, the alien reproduction vehicle. And maybe we have had alien crashed vehicles, but I'm more tempted to believe that Nikola Tesla's work was taken by the US government. John G. Trump, Trump's uncle from MIT, was the one that actually oversaw all of that. You know that?

• 2:58:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, he actually looked at all that. You know, he found a correspondence between. Nikola Tesla and British and Russian royalty, like the high top levels of Britain Russian royalty, about them acquiring a super weapon of incredible power. There's a video, I actually posted it on X, of John G Trump, a vintage video of him talking about coming across these correspondent letters that he'd never found the true um method of the secret weapon or what it was, but there was correspondence between the king and Russian Tsars about acquiring it from Nikola Tesla. So I think that they took things from Tesla, his electromagnetism studies, I think people like T. Townes and Brown, you know, these original ideas of being able to use field induction to create positive lift.

• 2:59:29Speaker 01

  This is something that was being looked at by humans. You don't need to invoke flying saucers crashing from Alpha Centauri for that. Maybe it happened, but I would be more on the line that we've done it ourselves. We've done it ourselves.

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  At least some of it.

• 2:59:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, some of it. The Cold War happened, Cold War paranoia, and we've never got rid of it. All the iron walls came up around that. And it's a case of how do we kind of get rid of all this legacy program, you know, stoveing and stove piping because of Cold War paranoia. It's too late now because we're in 2025 and you've got to try and tell us that you've got zero point energy. You know, we've been flying around in fucking Wright Brothers planes for a hundred years and shit. Are you kidding me? Like, it's not going to go down well. So amnesty, right?

• 3:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:08Speaker 01

  Amnesty.

• 3:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, it might be the only way.

• 3:00:10Speaker 01

  It might be the only way, and if it is the only way, that's fine. But like I said, I do have-

• 3:00:14Joe Rogan?

  It sucks that they're not going to get punished for crimes, but so what?

• 3:00:18Speaker 01

  So what?

• 3:00:18Joe Rogan?

  At least we are not being punished by being withheld.

• 3:00:22Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 3:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Information being withheld that I think would change the course of humanity in probably a fantastic way.

• 3:00:27Speaker 01

  But I do feel, I feel like the world would have to become a more heavily controlled place for these types of technologies to come out. Do you know what I mean?

• 3:00:33Joe Rogan?

  I was trying to wrap this up on a high note. Digital ID coming up.

• 3:00:37Speaker 01

  Well, this is all I'm saying, like, you know, the control structures around something like free energy would have to be quite profound because of the things we were saying about some psycho with a ZPE device.

• 3:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 3:00:46Speaker 01

  So-

• 3:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Like, look what just happened in Bondi Beach in Australia. Imagine if you have access to that, if everybody has access to that, especially off the internet. You figure out how to design one, it's not that hard.

• 3:00:55Speaker 01

  The world will have to become a more restrictive place for these things to come off of public benefit.

• 3:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Now people are going to think you're a Fed.

• 3:01:02Speaker 01

  For saying that.

• 3:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Listen, man, I really enjoyed this conversation. It was a lot of fun.

• 3:01:07Speaker 01

  It's been real, brother.

• 3:01:07Joe Rogan?

  And your content is excellent.

• 3:01:09Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 3:01:09Joe Rogan?

  So please tell everybody how they can watch more of your stuff.

• 3:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've got a terrible business acumen, so I just have two channels. Project Unity on YouTube and The Project Unity on X. And if you want to follow me and subscribe, much appreciated.

• 3:01:22Joe Rogan?

  I think that's a good model, because it's quality stuff and it's building following, just literally based on being good.

• 3:01:27Speaker 01

  For real.

• 3:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

• 3:01:29Speaker 01

  Thank you so much, dude.

• 3:01:29Joe Rogan?

  All right, we'll do it again.

• 3:01:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:01:31Joe Rogan?

  Goodbye, everybody.

• 3:01:32Speaker 01

  Bye-bye.

• 3:01:48Speaker 06

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• 3:01:54Speaker 06

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