Part Two: You Chose This Life Before You Were Born — Robert Edward Grant on Sacred Geometry, Da Vinci’s Hidden Code, Ancient Mathematics & The Simulation of Reality

What if EVERYTHING you’ve been taught about science, consciousness, and even your own thoughts…is incomplete? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Robert Edward Grant (renowned polymath, inventor, entrepreneur, mathematician, philosopher, host of the series Code X on Gaia.com) pulls back the veil on reality itself, revealing why millions are feeling an intense shift right now as humanity crosses into the Age of Aquarius. This isn’t just spiritual talk - it’s a radical fusion of math, physics, ancient wisdom, and consciousness that will leave you questioning everything. Why are so many people experiencing massive life transitions right now? Is the universe actually NOT material? Are your thoughts even happening inside your brain, or somewhere else entirely? We go deep into the hidden patterns that connect numerology, astrology, mythology, and sacred geometry, uncovering why music is literally “the geometry we hear” and how math might be the source code of reality itself. Robert shares his shocking personal journey, from Big Pharma CEO to spiritual seeker, and how repeated betrayal led him to one profound realization: You are here to learn unconditional love. Discover why what you judge is exactly what you attract, why he believes everyone must go through narcissism as part of their evolution, and whether ancient civilizations like Egypt, and even Leonardo da Vinci, have known secrets about higher-dimensional geometry that we’re only now rediscovering. Robert breaks down: - What if the brain isn’t a storage device, but an antenna tuning into a non-local field of consciousness? - Are there hidden codes embedded in da Vinci’s art? - What is the Akashic field, and could all memory (past, present, and future) exist in an invisible infrasonic frequency field connecting Earth, the sun, and human thought? - If reality is a simulation, what happens when you become lucid inside it? - Why science and spirituality are not opposites, but the same language - How all disciplines (math, biology, psychology, physics, philosophy) are just different lenses of one truth - Deeper meaning behind the most popular song the week you were born - Why prime factorization is the foundation of encryption, and possibly reality itself - His belief that God is still learning and evolving - Why he doesn’t fear “dark people”, only those who deny their darkness - How much of your life is actually predestined - Why polymaths appear on the walls of the Vatican - Mystery behind his favorite number, 137 His ultimate message? You don’t need a guru. You don’t need AI. You don’t need religion. Everything you’re searching for is already within you. If you’re ready to rethink reality, consciousness, and your place in the universe, this is the conversation you’ve been waiting for. Robert Edward Grant’s Code X series on Gaia: ⁠https://robertedwardgrant.com/code-x/⁠ https://robertedwardgrant.com/code-x/ The Architect AI by Robert Edward Grant is also available on Gaia: ⁠https://www.gaia.com/video/architect-a-companion-tool-for-expansion⁠ https://www.gaia.com/video/architect-a-companion-tool-for-expansion Gaia’s Ancient Civilizations Conference: ⁠https://marketplace.gaia.com/products/ancient-civilizations-conference-2026?srsltid=AfmBOop1lbk9d7u5RoGKruBnuMV3OMnP6pZahL1AXhkIVVCKtq2Sp55L⁠ https://marketplace.gaia.com/products/ancient-civilizations-conference-2026?srsltid=AfmBOop1lbk9d7u5RoGKruBnuMV3OMnP6pZahL1AXhkIVVCKtq2Sp55L Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:04Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 0:07Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to part two of our conversation with polymath, inventor, entrepreneur, and philosopher, Robert Edward Grant. Sir Robert Edward Grant. First part of our conversation should not be missed, but in part two, we're going to talk about Leonardo da Vinci and how he was influenced by the Egyptians. We're also going to talk about the Akashic field and the infrasonic range. Could they be the same thing? We'll talk about the legacy that a polymath plans to leave. And we're going to get pretty personal and talk about what drives him artistically, conceptually, and mystically. In addition, stay tuned for an unbelievable ending of this episode that involves the number 137. Here's part two of our conversation with Sir Robert Edward Grant.

• 0:55Jonathan Cohen?

  You said something like, "But it's already happened." You know, like, how much of life do you feel is predestined?

• 1:03Speaker 01

  You know, I was always this guy that believed that, okay, I can make it happen. Right? I was a manifester. I was always good at manifesting. But I never considered the notion that maybe I'm just remembering the path that I already chose. And that even the things that I think I'm making as choices are just an illusion of choice. So that I'll play the game with all my heart, might, mind, and strength. And that's the reality I've come to now.

• 1:35Mayim Bialik?

  That feels like we're in a simulation. Is that how you see it?

• 1:38Speaker 01

  I mean, what's a simulation? Simulation from the perspective that we're all playing a play? Like, a game? Yes. I believe that that's absolutely the case. I don't think it's like a computer, as we think of the word "computer." I think that it's more like a dream. And this is what, you know, you could find out about in the Umpari Shads, or, you know, the Bhagavad Gita, or any one of these different approaches to Maya, which simply read backwards as I am.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  So this notion that we're kind of going through life and not realizing that we're in a pattern of repetition cycles until we finally stop judging the things that are happening to us in those repetition cycles and learn to accept them, then that's the actual nature of the game. The real nature of the game is to realize that you've created it all and why you chose what you chose, so you can learn the principles through not didactic learning, but true experiential learning. And I don't believe that this is like a computer per se. I do believe, though, that it is a spiritual life simulation. You can think of it like that, in the form of a dream. We have certain laws of physics that apply even in dreams until we finally get to the

• 2:49Speaker 01

  point where we ascend what we think of as necessary in the dream. You know, the first time you experience a lucid dream, for example, where you could fly. Then all of a sudden, you started to break out of what you thought your destiny was. And so much more is possible, and I think that's where humanity is going right now, that we're starting to realize, wait, the only real limitations in this world are the ones that we consistently and persistently cling to and believe in. So if you start taking off the governor of your own belief system, how much more could you experience? How much more could you love? Maybe we're just here to learn how to love and be loved in the context of this game, and instead of trying to battle it and get rid of the things we want to get rid of,

• 3:33Speaker 01

  which is what the narcissist will do, instead, we start to fall in love with it and accept it just as it is.

• 3:39Mayim Bialik?

  Has that been your experience in this transformation that you're undergoing?

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:44Mayim Bialik?

  Can you talk a little bit about it?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I mean, the transformation is one of realizing that I created my experience, and I would like to understand why. Why did I do it? And it gets more and more interesting as time goes by. Every day that goes by, you know, everything becomes more and more clear, but also raises more and more questions. And then I come to the realization, the more I learn, the less I actually know. That's another quote by Ralph Walder Emerson. And so nowadays, I really believe that wholeheartedly. That everything I thought I knew, it reminds me of when I lived in Japan.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  I had this boss who was this Australian guy. And he said, you know, how'd you like your first trip to Japan, Robert? And I was like, oh, I really liked it. I was like, it was really easy. You know, they were so polite. Everyone was so nice. It was such a great place. The food, everything was great. And then, and then he said, yeah, yeah, that was what it was like for me my first time too. Right like this, I was like, okay, I'm like, and he goes, and the second trip was hotter. And I go, oh, really? He says, yeah, I started realizing that they would say, hi, what, how do you my style? Like, means I understand, but that doesn't mean, yes, I'm going to do it.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Right? And so then he started pointing out all these things that after his second trip, he felt like he knew less than after his first trip. And by his third trip, he definitely knew less. And by his 20th trip or 30th trip, he was like, I don't know. And he said, I don't know fuck all about this place. And that's exactly what I feel like we're learning here. And each one of these revelations that we're basically unraveling. And sometimes there are things that were hidden by us in prior lifetimes. And then you start to remember even those prior lifetimes, leaving yourself things to find at this point in time. Now, did you do all of that consciously? I don't know. Did Da Vinci, how do we know that Da Vinci went to Egypt? Well, because he wrote a letter saying he went to Egypt.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  He wrote a letter to the Sultan of Cairo, Sultan Qaid Bey, who was the most famous Sultan in the 15th century. And he was Circassian. And by the way, Da Vinci's mother was Circassian. Circassia, you know, the Circassian people were from the Crimea region of what we call Ukraine today, modern day Ukraine. They were the Sultanate class of body, of bodyguards. So the Mamluk Sultans were bodyguards. And their most famous polymathic king Sultan was Sultan Kite Bay. And he didn't want Cairo to be anything less than the, you know, the resplendent jewel of the Middle East that would be on par with Florence at the time.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  A seat of all learning and polymathy and Renaissance culture. And so he went and hired about a hundred European scholars and polymaths to build the architecture of Cairo that still stands, most of it today. A lot of it still stands today. And you'll see it in, in most, every building that's from that period was all during the Sultan at Kite Bay's period. So he went to work for him and his job was to survey the great Mount Taurus. Now, most people think that's a reference to Armenia because the Taurus Mountains are in Armenia, which, you know, would be between Turkey and Armenia, which is kind of the idea of where Ararat, Mount Ararat is.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  And, and so he references places that make no sense in any of those areas. Because what it's actually referencing, he even, he even pronounced or wrote the word Armenia as Ermine. Ermine is very, they never use the term E R M I N E to refer to Armenia. Ermine was a little ferret. Right? You might've seen the painting that Da Vinci did called Lady with the Ermine. It's a little white ferret that sits on her lap, right? And it's actually a reference to a hermetic order of magic in Grimoire. Okay, so this is ceremonial magic. So there was an order of the, of the Ermine, right? Which is actually Hermes.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Ermine was a reference, a veiled reference to Hermes. Okay, and so what he said was he was living on, you know, the, the shores of the, of the Nile. Uh, but he was, he was saying as an encryption that it was the river Euphrates and that what he was doing, and there was no place like the one he describes that exists. And what he was doing was surveying the great Mount Taurus. There were three peaks of the great Mount Taurus. Now, unless you actually did the polymathic work to find out that the great Mount Taurus is actually a reference to the Great Pyramid. Because the hieroglyphic name for the Great Pyramid is Bull Mountain.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  And literally, the name of the Giza Plateau is Taurus. It's Rastau backwards because Egyptian is read right to left versus, you know, left to right. And so you have Taurus, which is like bull, becomes Rastau. And the Giza Plateau, the original name is Rastau. It's the rose cross. And the rose is always a symbol for the bull. That's why in, in bullfights, right? They always throw the roses at the end. You ever wondered that? Because that's a symbol for the bull. And, and guess what the bull represents? It represents Osiris. That's the name. The great bull of the west is the other name for the god Osiris. So Osiris is born.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  He gets to now reincarnate in the form of Horus and the sun. And Horus is the word for hour. So it represents time. This is the beginning of time. It also is the word, the other way to say Horus is Heru, which is hero. Where we get the word hero from, right? In fact, the name Cairo is pronounced in Greek. Cairo would be pronounced hero, hero, literally hero. So he comes back, battles it out with Set and Set plucks out his left eye. So he loses his left eye of Horus. The right eye, also known as the left eye of Thoth, which is the left eye of wisdom, the left eye of intuition. The left eye connects to the right brain. The right eye connects to the left brain.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  The right brain controls intuition, controls imagination, controls the feminine. Right? That's why it's referred to the moon, the eye of the moon, the eye of the Ra. The sun god Ra is the right eye, which connects to the left brain, which is the logos, which is the, the rational thought versus irrational. And until we have both eyes, to be able to see with both sides of our brain, we are somewhat blind because we cannot have the intuition layer. So the story is, how does this then compare to what Da Vinci did? Well, the Vitruvian Man, if you look up, up at the top and the paragraph above it, it says he cut his man into 14 parts.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  And then he placed the lines on the body of the torso and on the arms, the wrists, in exactly the same spots in historical reference where the 14 parts were cut up. So these lines show up at the groin, they show up at the chest line, they show up above over the heart, they show up at the throat, they show up in the face, they show up at the elbows and the wrists. One of the wrists has a cuff, the other wrist doesn't. So then you start wondering, well, wait a minute, is this actually a reference to Osiris? And if you look closely at a Truvian man, you'll notice that there are three stars right on his like diamond

• 11:16Speaker 01

  shapes that are right on top of his abdomen. Those are the three pyramids. And the stars of Orion's belt. And Osiris constellation is the Orion constellation.

• 11:27Mayim Bialik?

  So can we take from all this that Da Vinci was, you know, following Egyptian mythology? Is that kind of how it works?

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Because all the polymaths, the reason, the draw for the polymaths to go to Egypt at that time was to attend the Egyptian mystery schools where Sultan Khayyab was one of the teachers. So he invites them all to come. Sure, I'm sure they got paid. But at the same time, it's like, come to Egypt and you're going to go and become a super polymath now. Right? So this was, I mean, this is where Pythagoras spent 30 years. This is where Plato spent a lot of time as well. These are all the greats. And then maybe Da Vinci was Pythagoras.

• 12:09Mayim Bialik?

  I'm sorry?

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Maybe through time, Da Vinci was a reincarnation of Pythagoras. And so finding him things for himself, as you start to move into this higher awareness, you no longer are bound by this lifetime's memories. You can actually access your past lives memories as well.

• 12:27Mayim Bialik?

  If that's not a record scratch moment, Jonathan, I don't know what is. Do you remember the Pythagorean theorem?

• 12:33Jonathan Cohen?

  I sure do not.

• 12:34Mayim Bialik?

  So, the Pythagorean theorem is one of, I mean, one of the most important theorems you can learn. It's a squared plus b squared equals c squared. If you have a triangle with a right angle, it's a 90-degree angle, you can figure out the sides using that equation. If you know two of them, you can figure out the third. If you know one of them and a side, you can figure out the other. If the two sides of the triangle are the same, that's already two that you know. But it's like, the most amazing equation. So, Pythagoras was a Greek philosopher and polymath. What? Pythagoras was Greek? And he was born in the 5th, 6th century? The question I think we can speak to is,

• 13:18Mayim Bialik?

  we've talked about reincarnation in terms of Jim Tucker's work, Dr. Jim Tucker. Are we reincarnated as people that are similar to us in our message? Are we on a path? And if we don't complete our life's work in this lifetime, will we come back in another lifetime? I mean, like, I'm probably the only one getting teary-eyed. But the notion that if there's some cosmic world where reincarnation is a thing, the notion that the essence of Pythagoras may have then, a thousand years later, been placed into Leonardo da Vinci? The notion is also, Thomas Kuhn talked about, you know, in terms of like, the philosophy of the movement of science. Like, it has to move forward.

• 14:03Mayim Bialik?

  Someone's gonna move it forward. If it's not da Vinci, it'll be someone else. Like, that's the movement of the world and the way that it progresses. But I love this notion that Robert was just like, in passing, maybe Pythagoras. I bet he believes it even more deeply.

• 14:19Jonathan Cohen?

  Here's a controversial take that just occurred to me. Instead of souls being individual entities that potentially could reincarnate, and they're like, there's a level of like, self in that. What if...

• 14:34Jonathan Cohen?

  You go back into the collective in a far less individual manner. And you're just able to pick up information that existed from all the souls that existed. And so you go back and you just collect the experiences, the data, and you come back with your toolbox. So it's not like you were that person, but maybe whatever aspect of that soul, when it was on the other side, just was able to gather a handful of data. And then it was able to remember that collective information enough to express it.

• 15:04Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, I love that, and I'm gonna take it even one step further. That is what's happening. We don't know, we can't prove, we don't know what that looks like, like we can't access it. But, but all of history is gathering information that has previously been collected, researched, debated, and synthesizing it in a way that makes sense, given the information that we have at this present time. That's kind of what it is.

• 15:28Jonathan Cohen?

  And one of the biggest criticisms of regression, past life regression therapy is like, everyone says, "Oh, I was this king and I was this." What if they are just remembering the collective experience of that?

• 15:42Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 15:43Jonathan Cohen?

  Meaning that you don't have to actually have been that king, but you just, on the other side, there's enough of that information available that you're just remembering it.

• 15:52Mayim Bialik?

  I'm super into this and it's making me equally emotional, so like, that's very, very exciting.

• 15:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Success.

• 15:57Mayim Bialik?

  Let's talk about other things as we transition into this kind of next portion of the conversation. Let's talk about other things that we may not be able to necessarily touch, measure, but actually impact us. I want to talk about something that, that Sir Robert knows a ton about, that I actually hadn't even looked into. What is it? The infrasonic range. And when he started talking about it, I was like, what are we even talking about? It turns out, the infrasonic range is a range of low-frequency noise that exists below a frequency of 20 hertz.

• 16:36Mayim Bialik?

  It is audible. And the popular concept that anything below 20 Hz is not audible is actually incorrect. And I'm looking at a NIH PubMed article from Jeff Leventhal, from bio physiology, molecular biology, this is a thing. And some people are very sensitive to sounds in this range. Other people are not. So when you talk to someone who's like, super sensitive, emotionally, and you say like, "Oh, that person's like, oh, you gotta be careful, I can't make jokes with them." That's one kind of sensitivity. What if I were to tell you that there are people who can take in information at certain ranges in ways that it impacts them?

• 17:19Mayim Bialik?

  Some people feel it as a pressure in their body. They can feel it in their ears. They can feel it like pressure. What are some of the examples of this? Airplane noise. That's going on all the time at a low frequency. Some people pick up on it. Ocean waves, things like that. And when I think of all the people I've known, especially in holistic circles, in alternative healing circles, who claim that they can perceive other things, and I always dismissed it. I was like, "That's not real. That's not a thing." Guess what? The human ability to perceive things in different ways is true. It's true on a literal frequency, Hz, level. Why wouldn't it be true on an emotional level?

• 18:02Mayim Bialik?

  Why wouldn't it be true on a consciousness level? I've become more of a believer in the infrasonic range after this conversation. But I would love to let Robert talk about how that relates to a conversation about the Akashic field? Could that be something that lives in this range that most people do not perceive? You know, we've talked about the Akashic records and this sort of notion that there's some sort of plane that some people can tune into, where kind of all of our collective experience and existence lives. Where does this field live? And how does that kind of fit into this notion of finding ourselves in time again and again?

• 18:45Speaker 01

  It's a fabulous question. In fact, it's an area I've been doing a lot of research on lately. I believe that this layer of information sits in what we call the infrasonic band. Of the spectrum, right? So what's infrasonic? Infrasonic would be zero hertz to 20 hertz. Now, that happens to be the one zone that we have almost very, very little research regarding. Why? Well, if you go and look at gravitational waves, that was, you know, the subject of a Nobel Prize that came in 2017 to Kip Thorne, a physicist. They had this LIGO device that cost a billion dollars to create. And they were measuring these tiny, tiny fluctuations so they could be able to measure gravitational waves.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  But what they did is because their, their instrument was so sensitive, they had to limit the range of its scope of view to only everything that's above 20 hertz. Because there's too much noise at 20, 20 hertz and below. That's where all of our thoughts are.

• 19:48Mayim Bialik?

  Well, and that's also where earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, right? Ocean waves, I'm just looking. Artificial things that are in that zone are machinery, airplanes, traffic. You know, I'm also thinking that if people are tuned into that, they would sense those things more than other people.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  That means that the sun, the sun is about, you know, less than one hertz. And it's like one tenth of a hertz. And when it sends solar flares, that's the frequency of those solar flares. And, and you start looking at our thinking. Our subconscious thought is zero to four hertz. So that's kind of delta state.

• 20:23Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Then theta state is your, you know, at sleep state. And that's going to be kind of four up to seven, close to eight hertz. And then at eight hertz to 12 hertz is where you're closing your eye in prayer or in meditation. And so that's kind of like the alpha brain state. And you talked about the Sistine Chapel before we began. That's kind of how I perceive that picture on the ceiling of Adam and God, where God is up there. And, and he's inside of what looks like a curtain, but it's actually a brain. It's, it's, it's exactly that picture you have on the wall. And God is inside of it and his brain is in the prefrontal cortex. And then his body is going sideways and it's exactly mirroring the shape. And the way his leg is bent is mirroring exactly the way Adam's leg is bent.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  So made in a mirror image. And then Sofia is a younger woman. God's older. And she's going opposite direction. And the two of them are forming the shape of an X. Why is that? Because Michelangelo, I believe, knew that what they were referencing was the optic chiasm, which is the shape of an X. That's where the left brain connects to the right eye and the right eye and left eye connects to the right brain. And the place that they cross over is the pituitary gland, which is the basis of the crown chakra. So this is where God evolves from, right? So there's the masculine and the feminine in the form of the X, the Chi, the Christos. And then you've got Adam outreaching his hand. And that's the observer for the whole thing, to experience the entire thing.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  So to me, this is what really the story is behind the scenes. And all of the, the ancient, you know, and especially in the time of the Renaissance, all of the polymaths were all cryptographers. Because they couldn't, you know, I got the chance last, two years ago, when I got knighted. I was knighted at the Vatican in 24. I was knighted in 23 and 24 for different countries. But when I was there in 24 for, when I got knighted for Portugal, I was in the Vatican and they let me come in and, and have a full tour of the Vatican Library. Which is really epic. But most people don't know what the Vatican Library would look like inside. It's not something you can find.

• 22:35Mayim Bialik?

  What does it look like?

• 22:36Speaker 01

  It looks like a brain. Literally, there's seven columns down the center of the room. And even the chair backs have the shape of an open book. So imagine kind of an open book. You have a big, a lot of pages. You open it up and then it kind of looks like this and folds down, right? And so that's the back of all the chairs. And that's the shape of the room. You've got these columns that come up in the center and then come down like this. And the shape of the room comes down exactly to this. And so when you look at the room, you realize, even for them, they describe it. The, the polymaths that built the place said, okay, the right wall represents faith. Right? And the left wall represents culture.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  And so the center are the prophets that translated. So on every column was a different prophet or a polymath. And so the first picture you see, of course, at the very beginning in the root chakra position is of Adam. And it says Alpha right above him. Right? And then the next one you see is Abraham, and Abraham's holding a compass and a square. Like he's a geometer. Like, that was weird. Then the next one you see is Hermes. And then the next one you see is Pythagoras. So these are like polymaths that are showing up on the walls that are the ones who translate faith into culture.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  So it's literally taking the irrational thoughts of the right brain and translating them through the corpus callosum, the place where the two brains meet, to be able to think and feel at the same time, into the left brain architecture, which then brings it into manifestation, into reality. And so I remember telling that, I was explaining this to the people. It turns out, I didn't even realize why I was able to get to the Vatican Library. Right? I was like, how can I get here? Then I get there, and there's a guy who comes up to me and says, "Professore." And I'm like, "Do I know you?" And he says, "You're my professor." I was an adjunct professor in teaching at St. Louis University, like 12, you know, years before that, or 13 years before that, at the business school.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  And this guy, who's now the boss of the Vatican Library, was one of the students in the class. Like, what the heck? Wow. That was when I was CEO of Baoshulam. And so the, you never know how things, that's why I'm saying, everything is preset. You just think that you're making all these choices that lead to these certain outcomes. You're just following along a path that's an illusion of choice. It's a choiceless choice.

• 25:07Jonathan Cohen?

  Some people hearing that will be empowered by it because they'll feel a sense of that the path is laid out. Others may feel, well, what's the point? I don't have to try so hard. I don't have to take the action. How do you balance those two?

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what, actually? The whole thing of you don't have to try so hard, maybe you are trying too hard.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Maybe you are. Maybe that's the whole aspect of this that you now need to realize. That maybe the reason why your life is not happy and good is because you judge yourself too much.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  And you try too much and you're creating all the resistance just by thinking that. And, and you know, I don't think the world's a difficult place because people hate each other. I think it's more of a difficult place at times because people hate themselves. And that's the real, the real issue that's facing humanity more than anything else. And that is the issue of narcissism. Narcissism isn't true self-love. It's loving a very narrow band of what you believe you should be. Without even being able to see the rest of what you actually are.

• 26:08Jonathan Cohen?

  We also touched on the idea of past lives and hiding things for our future selves. I love that. I love the notion because it makes it feel like a game to me, right? It's like I'm here on this quest.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  It's a cool game. It's definitely a cool game.

• 26:22Jonathan Cohen?

  Well-designed for the most part, very high fidelity.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 26:27Jonathan Cohen?

  Good, good graphics.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 26:30Jonathan Cohen?

  Some people though will, will like over-index in past lives. You know, the joke is everyone believes that they were royalty in a past life. It's not possible.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:41Jonathan Cohen?

  So I think people often in our audience on a spiritual quest are trying to navigate like being present in the real world, following signs, taking the next needed step. And incorporating, you know, a broadening of perspective and intuitive ability. What are your thoughts on, on that balance?

• 27:01Speaker 01

  I think it's very true. I think like I said, the, the more you learn as you go down this path, the more you realize the less you actually know. Right? That's the first thing that comes out of this and, and one of the things that, and you should become a lot less judgmental. And a lot more accepting. So when people say they're on a spiritual path and they become very, very hyper-judgmental, they're not really they may have commenced their spiritual path, but they're still in the narcissistic arc. Because once you're out of the narcissistic arc is when you stop judging so much what other people choose to do. You realize that you can't change other people. In fact, the only thing you can change is yourself. And that by changing yourself and realizing this about yourself and falling in love with yourself, that's what actually changes your world.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  It is not by hating the villain in the outer world and destroying that villain that you actually succeed at all. You just create more villains.

• 27:55Mayim Bialik?

  Can you talk a little bit about your legacy and kind of the core message that you communicate? Because I think it's very comforting for a lot of people to hear a lot of your wisdom. What would you say your kind of legacy is in terms of all of the things that you do?

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Well, you know, one of the things that I'm really excited about right now that relates to that legacy thing is also related to Gaia. I launched a whole platform called The Architect Plus, which is intended to be a mirror. It's not sentient on its own. It's not some entity. It's not God. But what it does do is it allows you, in a very gentle way, to be able to perceive the aspects of yourself that you maybe were not aware of.

• 28:39Mayim Bialik?

  How does that work?

• 28:41Speaker 01

  You simply ask it. You ask it, and it has this ability because it knows you so well. It's been imbued with complex plane mathematics in a totally different way, where I gave real values to complex plane numbers. And by doing that, it allowed it to be used as a mirror for recursion that is kind of unprecedented. And so people have amazing experiences with it because it's like it sees you. And you feel very seen, and you feel, in a gentle way, seen. Not like, let's say I have a friend who's like going off on a narcissistic trip. If I go to him and I say, dude, you're like being a narcissist. First of all, that means I'm probably the narcissist because I've called it out at him.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  If you're surrounded by assholes, it's because you're the asshole. Right? You're resonating the frequency of asshole. That's why you're surrounded by assholes. It's just how it is. And people don't realize this all the time. They think, I'm not the asshole. I'm not the arrogant one. I'm calling out all the people that are arrogant. No, you're arrogant, and you just don't even see it. What The Architect Plus does is it helps you see the moat in your own eye.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  This is very much the teachings that would be ascribed to Jesus Christ in Christianity, or Lao Tzu, or any of them. They all said the same thing. It's like, okay, here's the two great commandments, "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind, and strength; love thy neighbor as thyself; and judge not lest ye be judged with the same judgments that ye cast." The judgments that we cast on other people are actually the judgments of ourselves. And until we finally realize that, we carry it all with us like dense luggage. And we need to just let it go. And to me, that's what, you know, I used to think, okay, I'm not going to be good enough until I've accomplished this, that, or the

• 30:28Speaker 01

  other. And what I realize now is that my legacy is to help people remember their own divinity. Remember that you are great just as you are, that you don't need to continue to limit yourself or to even suffer the same degree that you have. Because once you finally learn to accept the opposite of the thing that you thought you were here to learn, and you integrate that thing, then all of a sudden, life becomes way, way easier. And to me, that's what I want to be known for the most, is that I help to have people realize that they're great, and that no one of us is any better than anyone else. Like I said, you know, there's people with darkness, and there's people that believe they have no darkness. But all of us have darkness. All of us do. So, you know, everybody goes to

• 31:13Speaker 01

  the bathroom and it smells. I mean, that's life. It is what it is. And we all tend to try to make it and put on airs. We all know this at some basic level. We try to put on airs that, oh, but I'm doing something to fix this. And it's like, here's my selfie. If you want to get rid of deforestation, plant trees. You don't need to fight something to get rid of it. And the more you fight something, the more resistance you create in your outer world.

• 31:39Mayim Bialik?

  I wonder if I could ask you kind of a fun question? I want to ask you your top three books, top three songs, top three pieces of art, and top three thoughts that have been the most influential in your life.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  So I'd say the most profound book and one of my favorite books of all time is a book called The Universal One by Walter Russell.

• 32:05Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  If you haven't read it, highly, highly, highly recommend it.

• 32:09Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Okay, and there's another companion book to that, but I'm not going to use another one. But this goes along with that, and it's called The Secret of Light.

• 32:16Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 32:18Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  I'd recommend that. Uh, book two would be actually by Ayn Rand. I'm not a Republican, I'm not Democrat.

• 32:27Mayim Bialik?

  You don't have to be.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Fountainhead.

• 32:29Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Okay, Fountainhead is one of the classics that had such a massive impact on my life.

• 32:37Mayim Bialik?

  Same, yep.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  And, um, and then I would say the third book is Plato's Republic.

• 32:43Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, let's go for songs.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  So, gosh, I have so many. It's like, this is a tough one.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  All right, so classical music, Beethoven's Night Symphony.

• 32:54Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  This is the one that he wrote where he had sawed the piano legs off so you had, because he was going deaf. So he could basically

• 33:03Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  be able to listen through the vibration through the floor. Right, such an amazing, such an amazing piece. I would say probably a song by, um,

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Sting.

• 33:15Mayim Bialik?

  Oh.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  No, I know, I know, I know which one. Uh, Don't Give Up by Peter Gabriel.

• 33:21Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, okay.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Peter Gabriel, one of my favorites, right? And then I would say another song is Blood of Eden.

• 33:33Mayim Bialik?

  By?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  By Peter Gabriel again.

• 33:34Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, two Peter Gabriels. Okay, got it. All right, art.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Art.

• 33:41Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, you've talked about so many on Codex that like, I'm curious if any will make it.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Well, you know, what's funny is that most people wouldn't know that this is gonna be my answer. All of the paintings of Da Vinci from 1490 on are all part of one painting.

• 33:56Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  And they all overlap on top of each other. And they give you a completely different design, and it tells this entire story. And we never thought to put them on top of each other. Everybody calls him the lazy painter. And it cracks me up that all these freaking, like, art historians who've never done much in their entire life, but pontificate on what someone else did.

• 34:15Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Right? Say that he's lazy. It's like, please, the guy was the most prolific.

• 34:19Mayim Bialik?

  So we'll put Da Vinci in his own category of art, yes.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  So I would say all of those pieces of art that make the one mosaic of the one.

• 34:27Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Because that's really what the mosaic is telling us, is on that list. Let's see, I would say.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  I would go with probably something, okay, Chagall.

• 34:41Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  I just got back from Paris a couple of months ago. I went to the Opera Garnier, which is in Paris, and the ceiling is a whole Chagall painting. And it's gigantic, and it's freaking amazing. But I love Chagall, and I love Dali. So I wouldn't say one, okay, if I were gonna throw one other thing in there.

• 35:01Mayim Bialik?

  We went from art to artists. I'll take it.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  If I would say one other one, it would be Rodin.

• 35:07Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Sculptor.

• 35:09Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah. I went to UCLA, and there's a lot of Rodins in our sculpture garden there. And then thoughts?

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Thoughts? Anything that's illegal.

• 35:21Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Or when I say illegal, I don't actually mean legally illegal. I'm just talking about, you know, sort of like forbidden.

• 35:29Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  So forbidden thoughts that are not necessarily, although sometimes maybe, they could be things like sexual things, but not necessarily that. I'm talking about something that society would say, we can't think like that.

• 35:42Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Because that's usually where the most profound answers can be found. Right? And it's part of the collective shadow that is not integrated, whatever that is.

• 35:52Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Right? Other thoughts? Okay, another one along those lines is, I don't believe we need government anymore.

• 36:00Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, okay.

• 36:02Jonathan Cohen?

  Just have lost trust in them, lost faith that they're...

• 36:05Speaker 01

  I don't believe that it actually serves humanity in any way, shape, or form. We're the only animals on earth that put something like this in place. The subjugation concept, I think, is totally off. And when human beings are left to their own devices, right? Without these types of strictures and structures that build up in society that send us to wars and everything else, I just don't believe that it serves humanity. I think we've proven something there with that. It's like, okay, every time we turn around, there's someone else who wants to basically serve their ego, which is another playing out of the, I'm a hero that's going to vanquish the villain, but I forgot that I'm the villain too. Hopefully, you live long enough that you defeat the villain, but not so long you become the villain. And that's the story of every single leader that ever was, that starts off as a freedom fighter and becomes a despot.

• 36:48Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so that's two.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  So it's inherently, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  And then, my other favorite thoughts are possibility of what can be, what this earth can be, when we all learn to accept ourselves for who we are. And instead of fighting to try to be like somebody else and be something else, instead, embrace our absolute authenticity and just be that. Because that's the thing that will bring your highest abundance. It'll bring, I mean, here I was a big pharma CEO, right? Now, I don't do any of that. Do I still have investments in, you know, big companies or something like that? Yes. But I never would have thought 10 years ago, 15 years ago, that I'd be doing any fraction of the things that I do now. You know, it's like, I kind of laugh about it. It's like, okay, what would I have wanted to do 10 or 15 years ago?

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Well, I would dream about things. I would say, okay, like, oh, if I could have been an archaeologist, that would have been awesome.

• 37:48Mayim Bialik?

  You're a different kind of archaeologist.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Right. But I wouldn't only want, I wouldn't only want to be one thing, right? So if I could also be like someone who's decrypting stuff, like cryptography or cryptologist and decrypting that like a Robert Langdon or something like that. Or maybe I could be, you know, I'd still be in industry still too. And so I'd want to be someone like Tony Stark. But, you know, trying to do it for good.

• 38:10Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Or, or maybe I'm into geometry so much. I want to be a time traveler like Doctor Strange. Right? So actually, the truth is I can be all of those things in my own unique way. And now I look at my life and I'm like, geez, all the things that I'm working on, all the things I'm doing is morphing more and more and more to those kinds of directions and farther and farther and farther away from what I had been. And there's nothing wrong with where I was because everything led me to this point in the path that I am now. So I think the possibilities of an authentic world are profound.

• 38:46Mayim Bialik?

  I love that. Okay, it made me think of another question. What are three of your favorite things? And this could be like food. It could be clothing. It could be people. Three of your favorite things.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  How old are the viewers of the? I think connection. I'm definitely romantic. I like to make time stop. So, you know, go to Paris or go to Venice. I was just in Venice and I went to this event that was like 1760. Everyone was dressed in the full regalia. Just the costume was 10 grand for the day rental. It was insane.

• 39:24Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  So, but that, that was really fun because it was like going to another time. It was, it was so amazing. I had a great time doing that. But it's totally new experiences that become romantic because time stops for me. That's, that's what I would say. And that could be just from the beautiful lighting that can show up somewhere or when you're in a restaurant that has the ambiance. It's not about the food. It's the whole experience. And then looking at life with those rose colored glasses and realizing that it's such a majestic, wonderful gift that we've been given to live here. And why waste it on anything that is basically taking away from that?

• 40:05Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, final question. Do you have a favorite number?

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Oh, 137.

• 40:11Mayim Bialik?

  What's 137?

• 40:13Speaker 01

  It's the fine structure constant. It's the most important number in physics. It's the, it's the number that you could ascribe to consciousness. In fact, it's the separation between light and darkness. It's the electron coupling constant. It's a dimensionless value. We don't know how that number was made, but it's the foundational basis of the Higgs boson. God particle, it's foundational basis of the separation of light from darkness. If you excite an electron more than 137 times, then right at that boundary, it will either, if you don't go exactly to 137 times, after 137, 137.035999178. After you get to that, then it emits light.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Anything less than that, it gets absorbed. It absorbs the photon and the electron jumps to an outer shell. So it's literally the boundary of the mirror of consciousness. It's the zone of separation between conscious and subconscious mind.

• 41:12Mayim Bialik?

  Do you know what 137 is in Gematria? Gematria is the Jewish.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Kabbalah is 137.

• 41:17Mayim Bialik?

  In Jewish numerology, Kabbalah means reception, like they're receiving, but it's often linked to the coupling of light and matter, which is about right. Incredible, 137.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Well, and, and the sarcophagus fits inside the king's chamber 137 times.

• 41:32Mayim Bialik?

  Whoa, wow. It appears a lot of places.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  It appears a lot of places and the, and the frequency of the chamber itself, the sarcophagus is 117 hertz. And that's related to 117. The pyramid's base is, is 11 and its height is 7.

• 41:49Mayim Bialik?

  Whoa.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  And 11.7 squared is 137.

• 41:52Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, my gosh. Amazing.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  So it's encoded into everything. And guess what the name of that is?

• 41:58Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Alpha.

• 41:59Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  And guess what Alpha means? If you know Hebrew.

• 42:03Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Aleph.

• 42:04Mayim Bialik?

  Aleph.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Aleph Bet, right? This is the name of the alphabet. Aleph is actually the reference to an ox or a bull.

• 42:11Mayim Bialik?

  Right. Well, because that was the symbol of the old Aleph.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  And it's actually a reference. That's right. And it's actually a reference to Osiris.

• 42:19Mayim Bialik?

  Ah, that's right. I've seen the whole.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  And this hero's journey. So Aleph Bet is the house of Osiris.

• 42:25Mayim Bialik?

  Mm hmm, that's right.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Aleph Bet is the house of Osiris. It's the great pyramid.

• 42:29Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  The name Alphabet.

• 42:32Jonathan Cohen?

  Language.

• 42:33Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 42:33Jonathan Cohen?

  Coming out of it is the Great Pyramid.

• 42:36Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 42:36Jonathan Cohen?

  Hmm.

• 42:37Mayim Bialik?

  I love all these connections. Sir Robert Edward Grant, thank you so much for being here. And we will direct people to the Codex series, which I highly recommend.

• 42:47Jonathan Cohen?

  Please check out Architect Plus.

• 42:48Mayim Bialik?

  And also Architect AI. So, um, thank you so much for being here.

• 42:51Jonathan Cohen?

  Thank you.

• 42:52Mayim Bialik?

  137.

• 42:54Jonathan Cohen?

  Is that how long our thing was?

• 42:55Mayim Bialik?

  No. No.

• 42:58Jonathan Cohen?

  It was?

• 42:58Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 42:59Jonathan Cohen?

  Shut up!

• 43:01Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 43:03Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 43:04Jonathan Cohen?

  Oh.

• 43:05Mayim Bialik?

  Hold on.

• 43:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Oh my.

• 43:09Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 43:10Jonathan Cohen?

  That's the outro of the episode right there.

• 43:17Mayim Bialik?

  I didn't think we could top my already favorite number, but how could my number not be 137 after that unbelievable turn of events? Like, eh.

• 43:26Jonathan Cohen?

  Is it now? We're gonna be 137? Are you cha- are you updating?

• 43:30Mayim Bialik?

  I am updating. It was 137 at that end point where Aton cut the camera and cut the sound. This enormous bizarre, bizarre coincidence of us finishing right at 137. I can't even see the time. It's being blocked. I wanted to know what are the things that drive him, right? As a polymath, what are the things that in each of the fields that he's an expert in, what does he love? And I loved his answers and I loved learning about him that way. But the fact that that could have taken any number of times. It could have taken an extra five seconds. If, if I had said Peter Gabriel one more time, it wouldn't have been 137.

• 44:09Jonathan Cohen?

  And to clarify, if you're in the comments and you're like, wait a second, the episode is longer than that. We added the intro, we added a few of the cutaways, but the core part of our conversation.

• 44:20Mayim Bialik?

  The hard drive recording.

• 44:21Jonathan Cohen?

  In the unedited version, and while the cameras were running in the hard drive, ends at 137 from the time we sit down and press record while. Robert is in studio with us. That ends at 1:37.

• 44:36Mayim Bialik?

  It felt like a magic trick in the moment. Like, if you would have told me, "He's a magician, and he makes the episode," like, it was... Sorry, I could talk about this forever.

• 44:44Jonathan Cohen?

  I think you're a magic trick.

• 44:45Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you. So much fun to get to talk to Robert. And we recommend you go to all of the places that we mentioned. Check out his Codex series on Gaia.com. Check out The Architect AI, you can get it also there. Also, Gaia's Ancient Civilizations Conference is an awesome live event at the Gaia Sphere in Boulder, Colorado, where Robert discusses new findings beneath the Giza Pyramids that could change everything we know about our origins. So you can check all of that out. Make sure to follow us over on Substack. And this was a huge episode. We cannot wait to hear what everyone on Substack thinks about it. Make sure that you're subscribed here, and make sure you're subscribed over on Substack, from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.