421. Hating yourself will get you nowhere

Being your own harshest critic can feel productive, protective, even familiar, but over time, it becomes less of a motivator and more of a cage. In this episode, we explore the psychology of self-hatred - where it begins, how it becomes a deeply ingrained, and what it actually steals from us over time. We explore: • How early experiences shape the inner critic • Why self-hatred can feel protective • The myth of cruelty as a motivator • The neural pattern of self-hatred • The role of self sabotaging • 6 practical tips to build a better relationship with yourself Watch on Netflix: HERE https://netflix.com/thepsychologyofyour20s Follow Jemma on Instagram: @jemmasbeg https://www.instagram.com/jemmasbeg/?hl=en# Follow the podcast on Instagram: @thatpsychologypodcast https://www.instagram.com/thatpsychologypodcast/?hl=en# Subscribe on Substack: @thepsychologyofyour20s https://substack.com/@thepsychologyofyour20s For business: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Our favourite sources: https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2044-8341.2011.02044.x https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167211410246 https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fa0033904 The Psychology of your 20s is not a substitute for professional mental health help. If you are struggling, distressed or require personalised advice, please reach out to your doctor or a licensed psychologist. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:54Jemma Sbeg?

  Hello, everybody. I'm Jemma Sbeg and welcome back to the Psychology of Your 20s, the podcast where we talk through the biggest changes, moments and transitions of our 20s and what they mean for our psychology.

• 3:14Jemma Sbeg?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the podcast. It is so great to have you here back for another episode. Not much chit chat this morning, guys. Not much small talk because we have a big episode, a big episode on something that I have been thinking about a lot recently, which is how normalized it has become to actively hate yourself and how almost hated you are online, in person, in the real world if you say or show that you love yourself. How in the world did we get here? Why does that make any sense? And to perhaps get a little bit conspiratorial on you all, who is benefiting from this? Who is benefiting from this system of self-loving?

• 3:59Jemma Sbeg?

  Who set this all up so that self-hatred is the status quo and self-love is the thing that is seen as sinful or bad? It just seems to me a little bit ridiculous and I also personally think it's keeping a lot of us stuck in places that we don't want to be. I've been saying this so much on the podcast recently. In so many different episodes, you can't hate yourself into a successful life. And I thought, you know, there's only so many times I can say that before I just do a full fricking episode on it. And today is that day. We're gonna look at the science and the psychology that proves you cannot hate yourself into a successful life.

• 4:44Jemma Sbeg?

  And yeah, essentially just dissects where your self hatred comes from and why it's lying to you. You know, it's not gonna make you humble. It's not gonna make you more successful because of that humility. You cannot bully yourself into being better, even if it gets momentary results. It is not a long term motivational force, the way that we tend to think it will be. This is a big episode today. We have a lot to explore. I really particularly wanna drill into the origins of this feeling and of this like psychological self loathing.

• 5:25Jemma Sbeg?

  And then also, of course, provide some evidence based strategies to eliminate that mindset, especially if you're in your twenties. Because if there was gonna be a time in your life where you really needed to have a deep sense of self belief, it would be this time, it would be right now. So I feel like if you are struggling with self doubt and self loathing that has become insidious and is bleeding into everything that you're doing, this is the perfect episode for you. Without further ado, let's talk about why hating yourself will get you nowhere you wanna be. And of course, the alternative. Stay with us.

• 6:05Jemma Sbeg?

  Let's start here. Why does it feel easier to hate ourselves rather than love ourselves? Like. Instinctually, why, why does it feel easier to dismiss a compliment? Or to be self-deprecating in front of other people? Or why does it feel easier to focus in on all the things we dislike about our bodies? And dislike about our personalities and dislike about our work ethic, rather than the things that we like? That doesn't come from nowhere. And the best evidence that this is an external influence, first and foremost, that becomes internalized. The best evidence for this is being around children, right?

• 6:47Jemma Sbeg?

  Being around kids and seeing that before the age of four or five. Children have no concept that there is something about themselves that could be unlikable. Like, that is not even something that enters their consciousness. They don't even, they, they don't even think about it. But then it's almost like there comes a point where a switch gets flipped, a switch gets turned. My friend, actually, um, she has two kids, one who is three and one who is eight. I was watching them the other day and we were doing like arts and craft. And like the younger one is just like scribbling, she's having fun and like, doesn't really care, is like exploring.

• 7:31Jemma Sbeg?

  And the eight-year-old was like, this one isn't good, like this one is bad. My art is bad, like I have to start over again. And just like the parallel, like the juxtaposition between these two people was like quite striking. So where does this come from? When does this self-loathing first hit? Psychology will tell us that a lot of self-hatred starts as a form of adaptation. When we're young, we don't yet have like a fully formed, stable sense of self. So we often borrow our reflections and, and borrow our sense of identity from other people who we spend a lot of time around. Parents, teachers, siblings, peers.

• 8:13Jemma Sbeg?

  They kind of help us build the first draft of how you understand yourself by offering suggestions, but sometimes also offering criticism and also by displaying self-criticism towards themselves. This is what we call, this first sense of self is what we call the evaluative self. We learn. About what it means to be human by seeing what others are doing, thinking about what others are doing, copying other people's behaviours and also comparing our own behaviour or our own little lives to what we see around us. At some point, we become aware that there is an audience.

• 8:54Jemma Sbeg?

  We're not always performing for the same audience, though. We become aware as children there is an audience. Some of our childhood audiences were a lot meaner. Some of our parents weren't very nice, some of our peers weren't very nice, some of our teachers weren't very nice. If those early environments are warm, you often learn that mistakes are survivable and that your worth will remain intact, even when you get things wrong, even when you're not perfect, you're happy to explore, you're happy to bounce back, you're happy to, you just are resilient. Like, I think about my friend's kid, right? Yeah, she didn't like her art, but just because she didn't like it when it was compared to like the idea of somebody else's picture, right?

• 9:36Jemma Sbeg?

  Not because her parents were like screaming at her that she was terrible at everything she does. Like, she didn't like it from a comparative sense. For some people, though, like their environment, like the inner critic was always external. It was a highly critical, rejecting, humiliating, unpredictable, cruel, completely disengaged person who was like speaking things in their ear, telling them they were terrible. Children are watching so closely, they are listening so closely and they internalize the tone of our own language, not just towards them but towards ourselves as well. Research has consistently found that higher self-criticism and self-hatred

• 10:21Jemma Sbeg?

  as an adult, if you have more of those things as an adult, it's greatly associated with early memories of parental rejection or conditional affection from parents, but also from favoritism, from favoritism from teachers, from childhood bullying, basically just harmful experiences that occurred right as we were forming our valueative self. For example, there was a two thousand and six study published in the Journal of Effective Disorders, and it looked at the impact of childhood verbal abuse on how adults view themselves. They analyzed the data of like six thousand people.

• 11:01Jemma Sbeg?

  And they found that heavy or or high levels of criticism and discipline uh and like non-purposeful discipline, experiencing that as a child, has a really significant impact on the development of things like adult depression and adult anxiety. Researchers described the role of self-criticism in these studies as basically a full mediator. So this basically means that the verbal abuse didn't directly cause the depression, but it causes a child to develop a self-critical brain. Because of course they're gonna believe what an adult says about them, they're the role model, they're the adult.

• 11:43Jemma Sbeg?

  And that self-critical brain is what drives some parts or a lot of parts of adult depression. A similar story is definitely seen in terms of peer experiences as well. When we're kids, when we are teenagers, this weird social like pecking order can emerge as people kind of like fight to promote their evaluative selves. And to feel good about themselves, like the main way that we feel good about ourselves as children and teenagers is in reference to other people. And so to feel better, we often have to result to criticizing others, bullying, making remarks, jokes,

• 12:27Jemma Sbeg?

  feeling a sense of superiority, that sort of thing. Of course, that's not always the case, but it's very, very prevalent. And that definitely reinforces the self-hatred of the person being targeted, for sure. It also reinforces the self-hatred of the person doing the targeting. Like, there is a reason that as teenagers, when we are insecure, we feel the need to diminish somebody else. And it means that like every person in this situation feels terrible. This is why self-hatred can feel so intimate, because it starts so, so young. Someone else's voice, when heard enough times with enough authority or emotional force. Can stick with us and form part of who we think we are.

• 13:12Jemma Sbeg?

  Eventually, like, if this criticism becomes loud enough, it no longer needs somebody else to be present. Like, we inherently believe that, yes, we aren't that talented. Yes, we aren't that attractive. Yes, we aren't that smart. Yes, we aren't somebody that others wanna be around because we're hearing it from maybe a parent, we're hearing it from teachers, we're hearing it from peers. And then something even more complicated happens. Self-hatred starts to feel useful because it feels so normal. Sometimes, I don't know, we end up hating ourselves as a form of self-protection. Thinking that, you know, if I criticize myself enough, if I criticize myself before anybody else can, I get to feel prepared.

• 13:56Jemma Sbeg?

  If I like, if I make fun of myself first, I'm in control of the humiliation instead of waiting to be surprised by it. That is why self-hatred can feel so oddly comforting, because it is familiar. Because we, we take what other people have said about us. We become so normalized and comfortable around it, we begin to feel like, well, if we do it before them, then we can make this thing useful. This is one of the biggest myths about the inner critic, that if you stopped tearing yourself apart, you would become lazy. You would become indulgent, you would, you would become complacent, unambitious, you would become morally kind of soft.

• 14:37Jemma Sbeg?

  And there is this kind of cultural admiration for harshness, especially when it is directed inwards, that we actually tend to confuse with discipline. Like, we act like being emotionally brutal with ourselves is evidence that we are willing to push ourselves, that we are willing to push our ego aside, and therefore, we must be a good person, we must be a hard-working person, we must be a worthy person. Psychologically, that makes sense, and it makes sense why people end up here. End up in this state of just like constant self loathing without even realising it. If you grew up in environments where, you know, your parents were also harsh towards themselves as well, not just towards you or harsh to each other, you know, you also have a higher chance of

• 15:23Jemma Sbeg?

  internalising self hatred as a normal part of life. For example, if you had a mother or a father who was always criticizing or complaining about their body as a way to force themselves to stick to diets, which I feel like is a lot more common than we realise, and I'm sure a lot of you can relate. Your mind then learns that hatred equals motivation and motivation equals progress. We need hatred to make ourselves do the things and stick to the things that we said we were gonna do. Here's the thing, and this may sound like I'm like I'm about to contradict myself, but stick with me. Self hatred actually can act as a very potent immediate motivator initially because it activates the brain's threat response.

• 16:08Jemma Sbeg?

  And it uses shame or frustration or rage as a force for change, essentially creating a very high pressure, panic driven need to avoid perceived inadequacies. So initially, being motivated by self hatred might actually get you to act, it might actually get you to do certain things. But it has a dual function. In one way, like, yes, it may get you to the start line. But as soon as you are ready to start, or as soon as you are halfway through the race, that self hatred that you relied upon to motivate you suddenly becomes the thing that is gonna make this all about self punishment. And it's suddenly gonna become the thing that's gonna make you feel like you are not capable.

• 16:54Jemma Sbeg?

  There is no off switch. You use self hatred for motivation, it will eventually demotivate you because.

• 17:01Jemma Sbeg?

  Inherent in your self hatred is this feeling that you are not worthy, you are not capable. This hard thing that you are trying to do, you actually can't do it. So on the surface, it might seem that that like self criticizing voice is helping you improve. But actually, that same inner voice has a much deeper, more profound, more wounding impact. Because it's simply, it's just not sustainable. And we know by now that that same self hatred will fuel burnout. It will fuel anxiety, it will have long term negative impacts. There's this really fascinating uh twenty twenty two study that measured levels of self hatred, perfectionism and stress in two hundred and twenty students in the UK.

• 17:45Jemma Sbeg?

  And this study found that self hatred is one of, well, is actually the main driver for perfectionist tendencies. People are rarely perfectionists because they like themselves. They're perfectionists because they're searching for this final and elusive piece of proof they actually deserve to be here. And that creates an intense and great deal of stress and pressure. In this way, self hatred works, in this way, self hatred works the same way as any maladaptive coping mechanism. For example, if you drink a lot to counteract social anxiety, yes, you may feel more confident in the moment. But the next day, this only fuels your anxiety more.

• 18:29Jemma Sbeg?

  And it actually doesn't do anything to improve your baseline level of confidence. The same can be said for self hatred. Again, it may get you to over prepare for one presentation. It may get you to push yourself harder in one workout. Or it may get you to obsess over getting better for one assignment or one exam. But as a long term strategy, it erodes the very capacities that you need the most to succeed in the long term. Like confidence, like curiosity, like resilience, self trust, and also the ability to recover after setbacks.

• 19:11Jemma Sbeg?

  Self criticism is actually consistently associated with diminished goal progress across almost all research diminished.

• 19:19Jemma Sbeg?

  Feelings of self-efficacy, diminished feelings of preparedness. One of the best examples of this was five studies done by researchers at the University of Massachusetts that found that people who motivated themselves through self-criticism and through self-hatred actually moved slower towards their goals. By contrast, people who had self-oriented standards and who had and set goals because they wanted to prove that they could do it because they wanted to prove prove their own self-belief or because they genuinely enjoyed what they were doing. This was a much greater predictor of goal progress. The people who had self-hatred as well, they may have shown more initial progress,

• 20:05Jemma Sbeg?

  but often tapered off because it's not a sustainable motivator. And this is really important to remember. Although, you know, our self-hatred is disguised as having high standards, it's not the same thing. Like, high standards occur because you believe you deserve to be elevated. Self-hatred occurs because you're, you believe that you're destined not to be who you wanna be. So, we can't confuse them and think that they're the same thing. We can't think that, oh, I'm just, I'm just putting pressure on myself because I really think that I'm capable more. I'm just putting pressure on myself because this is just like the way that I've always done things. There's probably a reason why you have to keep relying on self-hatred and you have to keep relying on this like

• 20:49Jemma Sbeg?

  short-term, really intense kind of motivator because you haven't built any of the actual long-term reserves and sense of self-worth that would allow you to achieve your goals efficiently, effectively, and to the level that you that you would want them to, like to the level that you want for yourself. So let's take a short break here. Then we're gonna get into how we can counteract this. Like, we kind of know now, like, it's pretty clear, self-hatred isn't gonna work.

• 21:18Jemma Sbeg?

  What's the alternative? Because it actually might not just be self-love. I think it's gonna be, and I know that it's gonna be something a little bit more complicated, so stay with us.

• 21:33Jemma Sbeg?

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• 26:04Jemma Sbeg?

  We lose a lot when we hate ourselves because we implicitly feel less deserving. We implicitly feel less capable and we implicitly feel less lucky. Now, obviously, having a little bit of humility is great and is very, very important. And I think also allows us to not seem like an asshole. But when it is just pure self hatred, that quickly turns into unconscious self sabotage. I did a whole episode on self sabotage like way back when I first started the podcast. So I may need to do a little bit of a refresh. But self sabotage is essentially when we protect ourselves from possible failure

• 26:46Jemma Sbeg?

  by creating excuses to not try, by delaying a decision, by rejecting ourselves before anyone else gets the chance to do it for us because we unconsciously believe their rejection is inevitable anyways. Now, it might be that you say to yourself, you know, I won't apply for that job because I probably, I'm not going to get it anyways because I'm not worth it. Like, I'm not going to go talk to that person because they're probably never going to be interested. I'm not going to post that thing, post the content that I care about, launch the business, launch the course. Ask, like, do anything that I actually think is important because then I would have to find out that I didn't deserve it all along.

• 27:31Jemma Sbeg?

  Then I would be embarrassed. Then I would be judged when it failed. That is how self hatred creates bad luck by stopping us from trying. Research from the University of Rochester shows that self sabotaging comes with real psychological cost. Over time, it reinforces maladjustment, it reduces competence satisfaction.

• 27:54Jemma Sbeg?

  Meaning that we are never happy even when we do succeed because we always think that it's some kind of fluke. And it's linked to negative mood, substance abuse, and just lower overall intrinsic motivation. Because you never try as well. Even if you do succeed, we think that it's a fluke, but often in the situations where we don't, because we never try, you never gather the new evidence that those critical thoughts about yourself are wrong. And so the old negative belief stays unchallenged. You do not learn that maybe they would have said yes. You do not learn that maybe you were ready for that new role. But maybe people do really like you. Maybe there was an amazing opportunity on the other side of you just asking that question.

• 28:40Jemma Sbeg?

  The only truth that remains true and that is reinforced when you self sabotage because of self hatred is that your inner critic is helpful, is that it is useful, and it was correct after all. Because, look, you failed. Look, nothing happened. See, it was trying to protect you. That was gonna be the outcome all along. At least you didn't embarrass yourself in the process. I think the other cost of self hatred, other than just the fact that you always lose, is that it consumes an unbelievable amount of time. Honestly, more time than we probably have in our busy life. If you are constantly hypervigilant and monitoring how you sound, how you look, come across, perform, or are being like perceived and you are, you're just using so many attentional resources

• 29:26Jemma Sbeg?

  that could have gone into actually living. When your attention is trapped in self surveillance, you stop being in your own life. You stop actually being present and you just start performing. The second guessing alone, literally second guessing, it doubles every second you would normally spend just thinking and acting. Another thing to be cautious of is that self hatred can leak outwards. Like we've spoken a lot about, you know, the individual cost of this like inner critic, but shame has a way of becoming very relationally toxic. When people are so wrapped up in this chronic, like self contempt and self hatred.

• 30:09Jemma Sbeg?

  They may become more irritable, more defensive, more comparative. And I think it's safe to say more likely to project onto others because we're more likely to feel threatened by the traits we see in those around us. And we're more likely to feel threatened, especially by the traits that we've taught to punish in ourselves. So we see somebody who really likes themselves and we think, well, why can't I do that? Why don't I have that opportunity? I'm gonna hate them for it. A really interesting study published in two thousand and fourteen actually looked at the way that both guilt and shame manifest in social outcomes. And what they found was that actually whilst guilt can fuel more pro-social behaviours, shame was more associated with maladaptive social patterns.

• 30:54Jemma Sbeg?

  So things like aggression, withdrawal, judgment. Not because people wanted to be these things, they didn't wanna do these things, they don't wanna be that person, nobody wants to be that person. It just felt necessary to protect themselves and to protect the inner critic from having to admit that maybe it was wrong, maybe there was a better way of living that wasn't just hating ourselves into existence. So it just does, it never stays internal, like a feeling as heavy and harsh as self-hatred is going to show up in friendships, it's gonna show up in work. It's gonna show up in how generous you are, how understanding you can be. It's gonna show up, yeah, especially in those situations, because we begin to think, well,

• 31:38Jemma Sbeg?

  you know, if I'm killing myself, if I'm holding myself to such a high standard, how come others aren't doing the same thing? Like, how come they don't feel the shame and the sadness and like the anger that I feel about myself? How come they feel good about themselves? And we don't wanna rethink that key metric or key part of our identity, that self-hatred is helpful or useful, we just judge other people for not having it. So this is what we need to be careful of. And it's why I keep reinforcing that, again, hating yourself isn't just counterintuitive to your goals and your progress, it's counterintuitive to your happiness. And the thing that I be most scared of is that

• 32:19Jemma Sbeg?

  the older we get, the more it becomes a neural pattern, right? Because repeated mental habits over time become easier to repeat.

• 32:30Jemma Sbeg?

  At a basic, like, neuroscientific level, learning of any kind, including learning how to hate yourself, just involves repetition. What we repeat is what sticks. This has an actual term in psychology, it's called long-term potentiation, and it refers to a persistent strengthening of synaptic connections that are used commonly together, meaning that certain pathways become more efficient over time. So when you repeatedly interpret yourself through, through a, a lens of loathing, when you constantly replay old embarrassing situations and say, this is proof that I am not worthy and that I'm embarrassing.

• 33:13Jemma Sbeg?

  Or when you're constantly scanning your body or your identity for what's wrong with you, or you're picking apart your appearance in the mirror, you are practicing a style of self-relation that becomes neurally reinforced and recognizable. And it therefore makes it easier for the brain to jump to these critical conclusions again and again rapidly in the long run, until you don't know anything more or better or different about yourself. And this is where the concept of negative self-referential processing comes in. This is a cognitive bias where people disproportionately focus on interpret events through

• 33:54Jemma Sbeg?

  and recall negative information about themselves and about the world around them, because they've essentially trained their brain to do that for them. This is why this is so important to discuss, like, in your twenties. Yes, this may begin in childhood, but like, this is the critical time when you get to interrupt this literal neural pathway of self-criticism. There are certain neuroimaging studies which highlight where this is most evident. They can literally see patterns of self-hatred in like the medial prefrontal cortex, in the posterior cingulate cortex, both areas of the brain that are involved in emotional regulation, ideas about the self, autobiographical memory. This is where these patterns.

• 34:38Jemma Sbeg?

  Sit and become strong. Researchers found that these areas light up significantly when people think negatively about themselves. This is where your self hatred is stored. And this is where those narratives become bigger and bigger and bigger over time if you do not interrupt them. Recent reviews further refine this understanding by showing that these patterns involve broader brain networks too. So this is where it starts. It starts in specifically the prefrontal cortex. But then it begins to move out and touch everything. For instance, there was also in the same study, I think, increased connectivity between the default

• 35:20Jemma Sbeg?

  mode network and the salience network, which may explain why internal negative thoughts feel so intrusive and important and hard to break and so subconscious. Over time, again, I really just wanna stress this, repeated engagement in negative self-talk becomes the standard way that we think not just about ourselves, but everything. It gets neurally represented in very significant brain regions that influence how we see others, influence how we see our goals, influence how capable we are. And that becomes a lot harder to escape the older we get.

• 36:03Jemma Sbeg?

  So how exactly are we going to start unlearning this? Cause I feel like that's a very, I feel like I've just thrown a lot of negativity at you and you're probably sitting there being like, well, I guess I'm screwed. Cause this is just who I am and I've always had these thoughts about myself. I'm just a pessimistic person. I don't think that's true. I think you've been trained to feel that way. I think you've been trained to think that is normal and trained to think that that is your status quo or how you just are. Again, nobody is born hating themselves, like literally, giving that child example again. At some point, you switch over, but you can also rewire those patterns over time.

• 36:45Jemma Sbeg?

  I think it's so worth saying, like, again, you are capable of change. All that information I've given you, like, may lead you to believe that once this is entrenched, it is permanent. We know scientifically that is also not the case, as much as we see evidence for it showing up in our minds and showing up in how we treat ourselves. We also see evidence of people unlearning it. You can unlearn self criticism at literally any stage in your life. I literally read this amazing op ed piece a couple of weeks ago from this woman who was like eighty two, I think. And she was talking about how only at eighty years old did she know what it felt like to like herself. Like, that was the first time she ever was like, I think I might like myself, and she's never looked back.

• 37:31Jemma Sbeg?

  Eighty, that was the first time. So you you're probably in your twenties, maybe your thirties. You have heaps of time, and I think it literally goes to show as serious as I'm speaking about this, it is also reversible. The first thing to really ask yourself is, who does this voice actually serve? Because you now know for sure it doesn't serve you, right? You have all the evidence that this isn't benefiting you. I'm not asking where did it come from, that isn't important. An important question, but not the question we're asking right now. I'm not asking, why does it sound so convincing? I'm asking, who does it actually serve in this state and moment in your life? Does it help you become more honest? Is it helping you become more connected?

• 38:16Jemma Sbeg?

  Can you give me any evidence that self hatred has gotten you anywhere? Or does it keep you small, obedient, ashamed, hyper vigilant, apologetic, easy to control? Because despite how convincing and real these voices are, they're often just evidence, again, of how our brains have been trained to please, trained to make others comfortable.

• 38:40Jemma Sbeg?

  Not how we actually should be. And if that voice is not serving you, you actually don't need to listen to it. You don't need to keep treating it as gospel. You can start relating to it as a reflex. Every time you hear that self hatred kind of bubble up, you have to say to yourself, like, this is not factual. This is just a bad lesson that I was taught. This is just incorrect information I was taught. I know better now. The second thing is just to get super rational. Look outward. Again, try and find just one example, just one of self hatred actually helping somebody realize their dreams and enjoy their dreams. Honestly, I have been like racking my brain for weeks trying to think of an answer.

• 39:25Jemma Sbeg?

  The only thing I can ever come up with is people who, like, who present self hatred as something that I actually had to overcome. And they now reflect on, not something that helped them. I think a lot about like the people in, this is so random, but in Biggest Loser, who like hate themselves, get on the show, lose the weight, still hate themselves. Literally just think of the most inspirational person who you admire more than anybody in the world. Did that person you most admire hate themselves into becoming who they are? Do you know anyone whose life genuinely improved over time? Because they maintained a running commentary of disgust and humiliation and self loathing about themselves.

• 40:10Jemma Sbeg?

  Has it ever made anybody more creative, more open hearted, more resilient, more talented? Like, if you can find evidence for it, I would love to know, but I just don't think there is any. Self hatred survives partly by pretending, again, to be practical and self serving. And that's how it persuades us to keep it around. Because it will keep you humble, it will keep you polite, it will keep you, it will keep people liking you. But you can still be humble and polite and not hate yourself. It's just called self awareness. So, challenge it on those same practical grounds. Self hatred makes a practical argument. You need me to be a good person. You are saying to it, actually, no, I don't.

• 40:57Jemma Sbeg?

  I don't have any evidence that you've actually helped me. I have heaps of evidence that self-love has helped me, but no evidence for you. And I know that I can continue being all the things I wanna be without needing to rely on you. I know this is such a commonly said phrase, but you cannot hate yourself into loving yourself. And you cannot hate yourself into changing. All of the psychology says it, all of the motivational psychology, motivational architecture will say the same thing. The third step is to give the little mean voice a name and an identity. We spoke about this in our Loving Yourself Will Make You More Attractive episode, which is honestly a great companion episode to this one. If you're enjoying this ep, you can listen to that one after.

• 41:38Jemma Sbeg?

  And it sounds silly, but giving that voice a name, giving that horrible nagging mean voice a name that tells you that you're embarrassing. And you don't look great and you're not smart enough, calling it Kevin, calling it Sarah, calling it Brian, whatever. Um, allows you to separate yourself from the thoughts that you're having. It's just a thought, it's not true. When the thought appears, the self-hating thought, attributing it to something that almost feels outside of you, almost feels like another character that's coming in and interrupting the vibe and like getting in your way. Creates cognitive distancing. It means that you can rationally examine the thought because it doesn't hold as much self-truth as if it was

• 42:23Jemma Sbeg?

  coming from you, all about you, absolutely true. Instead of fusing with the critical voice and those words that seem to just like appear unconsciously. Naming it and giving it an identity just gives you some control. It gives you enough distance to choose whether you wanna listen to it, to ask whether this voice is actually yours. Or whether it is a bully or a panicked younger version of you. Or a perfectionist teacher or a cruel parent who got in your head way too early for you to have any say in it. I think something that also helps us have more empathy is to remember that this voice often, the reason it appears is to protect us.

• 43:07Jemma Sbeg?

  It is trying to keep us safe, it's trying to encourage us to act in ways that avoid judgment or avoid external criticism. So a nice practice for this is yes, call out the voice, give it a name, be like, you're a bully. Miranda, you're a bully. Brian.

• 43:23Jemma Sbeg?

  But also, I know this may sound counterintuitive, thank the voice a little bit as well. The reason that it came up, the reason that it's here, the reason that it started was because it thought it was helping you. It thought that it was a way that it could prevent you from being judged or making mistakes. If it was harsh on you first, then, you know, the world wasn't going to be harsh on you second or at all. So thanking it, appreciating it, saying like, you've done your job, now it's my turn, I can handle it from here. Also as a way of relating to your voices, something that is, yeah, a bit of a bully, but also trying to do its best. Meaning that you can kind of move past it, meaning that you can kind of put it to rest. You don't need this coping mechanism anymore.

• 44:08Jemma Sbeg?

  As we've said, you've got all the evidence you need now that it's not as helpful as you think. But also that you can be wise, smart, humble, kind, all those things. You can prevent yourself from embarrassing yourself through self-love rather than just self-hatred. So we're gonna take one more short break here before we get right back into it.

• 44:37Jemma Sbeg?

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• 49:29Jemma Sbeg?

  Especially when they almost like expect you to contribute. We've spoken a lot about like what you need to do internally. Your external environment also matters. Obviously, it's super normal to talk about our insecurities with our friends and to get support. But obsessing over your insecurities collectively without any resolution, almost as a form of social bonding, is not normal. And friends who think putting you down, especially physically, is fun or banter, I don't know who hurt you, that's not something that friends are meant to do. I had this particular friend who was so incredibly insecure

• 50:10Jemma Sbeg?

  that she would almost include me in her insecurity and in her self-deprecating comments she made about herself. If she saw like a really beautiful girl, if we were out together, she would be like, "Oh my god." Me and you could never look like that. Or like, wow, we could never pull that off. Or we'd go shopping and she'd be like, well, people like us can't wear that. People like us can't shop at those stores. And it would make me feel like absolutely horrendous about myself. So much so that even after I'd mentioned it a few times. She didn't stop and I just had to stop going out with her in those particular ways and in those environments like. I didn't wanna normalize that way of thinking about myself.

• 50:55Jemma Sbeg?

  I loved her, I still do love her deeply. But that kind of attitude was not one that I needed anymore of. I don't need to be included in your self hatred. Like, at that point, I had enough of my own. There are some people that, you know, for whatever reason, will always, I don't think this was her intention, this is separate, but there are some people who will always put you down. Whether it's insecurity on their behalf or some other part of themselves they're not comfortable with. They will involve you in their own self hatred because it feels less lonely. And it feels more normal. Sometimes entire relationships seem to be held together by mocking disguised as honesty.

• 51:41Jemma Sbeg?

  And not just mocking each other, but others, strangers, mutual friends. In those spaces, this is why self hatred feels so normalized, right? Because self respect saying, actually, I really like myself and I really think that person looks great and maybe we shouldn't talk like that. Can sometimes feel arrogant or like you're embarrassing them. So we stay quiet, we get used to being nasty to ourselves, we almost adopt a nastier persona as a way of gaining social approval. There's also this weird social ritual we see all the time where like. Somebody insults themselves and then you feel obligated to insult yourself in return, as if like. Self rejection is how we maintain that closeness.

• 52:24Jemma Sbeg?

  You just don't have to participate. You can just not say anything. Someone else's self loathing does not require you to join in. That is, that does a lot of damage, more than I think we can afford in a society that wants us to hate ourselves constantly. How our friends treat us, how they treat themselves is really psychologically powerful. There's an osmosis, there's a transference that happens when we are close to somebody emotionally. Where we can feel their pain and we can feel their self hatred. And it is reflected onto us. And again, that's not to say like cut off everybody who isn't as far ahead in their like self-love journey as you are, but just be aware of it.

• 53:08Jemma Sbeg?

  Keep tabs on whether it's infiltrating you and don't be afraid to just not participate or B, just say, I'm sorry, but that's not what I feel. And I don't talk about myself like that. And I don't think you deserve to think those things about yourself either. So maybe this is a good place to start. Maybe our friendship can be like a self-loathing free zone. And I know that can be a very awkward conversation because sometimes it can feel like holier than now, or like you're scolding them. Yeah, maybe it will feel like that. Maybe that's how they will interpret it as well. But I think it's worth having boundaries around the language that people use with you. As a way to also maintain boundaries around the language

• 53:52Jemma Sbeg?

  that you use with yourself, especially considering everything we've spoken about today and how important it is. The fifth thing I would suggest is also just keep an ongoing list of what you like about yourself and add to it as much as possible, every day, if not once a week. To almost aggressively prove to yourself you are worth liking and you are worth feeling proud of. This list tip uses like this simple attentional trick that what we focus on expands. Think of it like when a biased researcher looks only at evidence that like confirms their hypothesis. That is what I want you to do. When we're in the mindset of self hatred, like

• 54:33Jemma Sbeg?

  that's what's happening in reverse. We only pay attention to the negative evidence and we think that that must mean it's the truth and that that must confirm everything that our inner critical voice is saying. Missing like fifty percent of the picture. Flip it, reverse it.

• 54:49Jemma Sbeg?

  Instead, try to create a really deliberate, ongoing set of reasons or pieces of evidence why you are amazing. Why you care about yourself, why you are a productive person, why you deserve to feel proud of your achievements, why you look amazing, why people like you. It should be like the small granular details that make you who you are. You make people feel less awkward. You are observant. You make people laugh. Dogs always seem to wanna be near you. I feel like that one's an amazing one. You keep your word. You're a good friend. That really forces us to focus back in on everything that society has kind of said we don't get to acknowledge.

• 55:31Jemma Sbeg?

  Because if we were to acknowledge that, we would be arrogant, we wouldn't be humble, we would be we would just be, I don't even know, like, again, once you interrogate this a little bit further, you kind of realize how deeply impractical it is, like, it doesn't actually work, it doesn't actually make us like ourselves, it doesn't actually make us better people. Who is it benefiting? It's benefiting people who get to sell us things, get to sell us products, get to sell us surgeries that stem from a socially conditioned self hatred. And it benefits people who like it when you are small and don't stick up for yourself.

• 56:12Jemma Sbeg?

  So I think that's kind of all I have for this episode. I think I have a few more things, but like, I feel like I need to do a part two. I hope this is just, as much as it's been a ranty episode, been kind of informative and persuasive that you need to get more serious and you need to be more spooky about interrupting your thoughts of self loathing, because they are not A, an accident, or B, harmless. They deeply infiltrate what we think we deserve, how we behave, how we motivate ourselves, and how we connect with others. And if we're not careful, especially during this formative period of our lives, they can become the entire basis of our self belief.

• 56:56Jemma Sbeg?

  Meaning that the older we get, the harder it comes to reverse, not impossible, but the harder it becomes. And eventually we kind of sit around, survey our lives and realize all the things I've missed out on have come from the fact that like, Way back when, when I was a kid, somebody said I didn't deserve to like myself and I thought that they were true, despite all the other evidence that I have every reason to like myself. And that even the reasons that I have not to like myself aren't as important as the as the reasons that I do have. So I think that's all we have time for. I hope that if you made it this far, you enjoyed this episode, share it with a friend if you think that, I don't know, if you think they can relate, I don't know, if you think that they could benefit

• 57:39Jemma Sbeg?

  from some of the research and some of the things that we discussed. Remember that if you are listening to the episode, you can also uh watch it on Netflix. And if you are listening and you've made it this far, leave a little, leave a little love heart emoji down below so that I know that you are a loyal listener. You can also follow us on Substack. I'm gonna post the full transcript of this episode if you want to, I don't know, absorb it in a different format. And you can also follow us on Instagram as well if you wanna contribute your thoughts about self hatred as a complex, your thoughts about societal self hatred over there. But until next time, be safe, be kind, be gentle to yourself. We will talk very, very soon.

• 58:28Jemma Sbeg?

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• 59:13Jemma Sbeg?

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