The Government Isn’t Hiding Conspiracy… It’s Hiding Something Worse | Andrew Bustamante Pt. 1 X Impact Theory w/ Tom Bilyeu

On today’s episode of Impact Theory, Tom Bilyeu sits down with former CIA operative Andrew Bustamante for a deep and eye-opening conversation that’s going to challenge how you see government transparency, conspiracy theories, and global power plays. Together, they dig into the silence and confusion surrounding high-profile cases like the assassination attempt on Trump, Charlie Kirk’s killing, and the ever-shadowy Epstein files—exploring why the FBI keeps the public in the dark and whether it’s just incompetence or calculated strategy. Andrew Bustamante brings his unique insider’s perspective, breaking down how America’s branches of government operate, what really happens when the public gets answers (and when they don’t), and why conspiracies spread so fast in the age of social media. The episode doesn’t stop there: Tom and Andrew debate popular narratives, including Candace Owens’ claims about coordinated killings, and examine how to separate fact from fiction in the current torrent of information. Plus, the two tackle bigger issues like America’s distrust for its institutions, China’s global rise and potential conflict over Taiwan, and the uncomfortable realities behind economic meltdowns and national security. If you’re interested in seeing past the headlines and understanding the mechanics—both visible and hidden—of government, power, and misinformation, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. Let’s jump in! Linkedin: Post your job free at https://linkedin.com/impacttheory HomeServe: Help protect your home systems – and your wallet – with HomeServe against covered repairs. Plans start at just $4.99 a month at https://homeserve.com True Classic: Upgrade your wardrobe at https://trueclassic.com/impact Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impact CashApp: Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/v6nymgjl #CashAppPod Business Wars: Follow Business Wars on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact AirDoctor: Up to $300 off with code IMPACT at https://airdoctorpro.com What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 2:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Andrew Bustamante, welcome back. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure, I assure you. Let me ask, as a former CIA operative, what do you read into the fact that the FBI is being so silent about the attempted assassination of Trump, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the Epstein files?

• 2:28Speaker 03

  The FBI is leaning into the way our government is divided, meaning how it's actually divided by our founding fathers. The legislative branch, the executive branch, the judicial branch. FBI falls under the judicial branch. The president falls under the executive branch, and of course, Congress, the House, all falls under the legislative branch. So the three branches of government are built to keep each other's in check, but they're also built to kind of protect their own vertical, their own duties. So I think FBI understands there's certain duties that they have that are defined by their role in government, and it doesn't matter what the House or the President has to say, those duties can't be messed with. But then you also have this layer where Cash Patel was put in place by Donald Trump, the executive.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  So you already have some of this cross pollination that's unique, and it's unclear what it all means. Like, do we hear Trump talking about the Epstein files because he knows that the judicial branch isn't going to release anything? Is he letting this whole thing play out in the House of Representatives? Because he knows that no matter how many votes happen in the House or the Senate, at the end of the day, the judicial branch is going to be who determines what gets shared, what gets redacted, what gets kept and held back. And in all of those scenarios, Donald Trump has done what he can do to have the Epstein files released. And he knows that the assassination attempts, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, like, these all blend between branches of government,

• 3:52Speaker 03

  and along with the checks and balances also comes a certain amount of distancing of responsibility.

• 3:58Tom Bilyeu?

  But Cash, like, went out of his way to say, "We're going to be super transparent. We know how important this is to the American people, and then we've gotten anything but." So certainly, I, as a commentator on the internet, start speculating like crazy.

• 4:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, what do you read into that behavior from, uh, like, are they, are there signs that they're hiding something? Are there signs that they're just running a good investigation? Like, what do you see the signs being?

• 4:28Speaker 03

  The signs for sure, there's, there's lots of things being hidden, but the things that are being hidden aren't necessarily nefarious. A lot of what's hidden in government is actually incompetence. And that's not something comforting to know, but it's the truth.

• 4:41Tom Bilyeu?

  But do you actually see signs of incompetence?

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. Like, you see, you see Cash Patel and FBI coming out and releasing details about arrests before the actual state police who have made the arrest are willing to share the same details. You saw that very early on with the, with the first announcement that they had apprehended a suspect in the Charlie Kirk killing. When in fact, what they had was an old man who said, it was me with no evidence, no proof. That was not a suspect, that was a volunteer. But you saw it go out on, on official channels, you saw it go out in social media. So you see these updates that are coming out at the speed of social media because Cash Patel is used to working at the speed of social media. He's not used to working at the speed of government. And that has created all sorts of questions about whether or not he's fit for the role.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  And then that bleeds into whether or not FBI is up to snuff to do their job. And you can just see how it, it snowballs out of control from there.

• 5:34Tom Bilyeu?

  So do you think then that he just popped off too early and now he's realizing, I gotta keep my mouth shut until we really know what's going on?

• 5:40Speaker 03

  I think in that instance, he learned an important lesson about talking too fast, talking too early and the importance of vocabulary. Right? Government, people who are brought up and raised in government. When you've been a police officer, when you've been an FBI agent, and then you're appointed as the director of FBI, you already know this stuff. Because you spent all of your formative career building this, this vocabulary for both dodging responsibility, but also for, for denoting responsibility. And then you have somebody who's appointed to the role who does not have that upbringing. And now it's very easy for them to use the wrong term in the wrong context. And that's what we jump on. Unfortunately, I think most of what media jumps on these days is vernacular. They're jumping on words and word usage.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Not thinking about the intention behind the words. Cash Patel was just trying to comfort the American public and say, hey, FBI is doing their job. We already have people of interest that we're looking into. But that's not the terminology he used. That's the terminology we're accustomed to. That's not the terminology he used. And now that puts the president in a place where he has to think whether or not punitive action is required for his FBI director. And there's, and that's just one case that we're all aware of. There are hundreds of cases that FBI is working through all the time that they're communicating up to the White House and back again. So what's, what do all of those cases look like? And, and what's the communication look like between the White House and FBI day to day? And how is it different from what it looked like when the whole world saw it with the killing of Charlie Kirk?

• 7:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Would you have expected more information to come out by this point?

• 7:12Speaker 03

  In effective professional government, the public is the last to know. And that's how it's supposed to be. We're supposed to be focused on making it through our everyday life. We're supposed to feel safe. We're supposed to feel comforted. We're supposed to feel secure enough that we focus our energy on our productivity. That's what we're supposed to do. That's how our country was designed. But now there's so much distrust in government, not just distrust that the government's working in our best interest, but also distrust that the government's even competent. There's so much distrust, we're actually reducing our productivity because we feel like we have to watch our own back. We feel like we can't necessarily trust the police. We feel like maybe we can't trust our schools to educate our children or even keep our children safe.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  We feel like we can't trust our neighbor because now the most violent criminals are turning out to be middle-class white boys. So like, there's all this stuff that's splitting our attention. It keeps us from doing the one thing we're supposed to be able to do, which is contribute to the economy.

• 8:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Going back to you looking at this as an outsider who has been trained on picking up on cues that other people might not see. Does it seem plausible that in the case of Charlie Kirk's assassin, that he acted alone? Or do you see something more coordinated?

• 8:27Speaker 03

  You know, of all of the, of all of the public.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  Killings and I mean assassination attempts I'll include in that that we've seen to date right and you've got two assassination attempts on the president you have the killing of the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in December of last year you have the killing of Charlie Kirk this year in each of those instances you you can start to with a trained eye you can start to see how the premeditated efforts were executed and some of them required seemingly required professional intervention and others were completely amateur the killing of Brian Thompson was a textbook amateur operation right the guy was cased by a single individual Luigi Mangione who then found him in a moment of vulnerability that's

• 9:12Speaker 03

  a mix of luck and planning and then killed him in plain sight in front of cameras and the doorstep of his hotel that's very amateur but he had he still showed some very intelligent premeditated movements to try to get off the X and cover his tracks and it was just luck that he was captured in a McDonald's having french fries after flirting with a waitress or whatever the story is right the same thing is true I feel with Charlie Kirk the killer for Charlie Kirk shows very strong amateur tendencies premeditated but amateur tendencies and that lends itself to believe that he's most likely operating alone in his intent to kill does that mean that he wasn't collaborating or sharing his plans with other

• 9:55Speaker 03

  people maybe but I don't I don't get the sense from what I've seen of the evidence that he was supported externally by foreign governments or by by rogue elements inside our own country he just the evidence points to an individual who made a plan and executed that plan premeditatedly on a soft target

• 10:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Candace Owens would beg to disagree what do you take in her breakdown of all of this like to me this is a fascinating thing that we're living through right now we have this massive velocity and volume of information rightly there's nobody trying to censor us so people are able to say what they think some people may think that she's a nefarious actor that certainly is not what I read into it I don't think that she's right I think that she has a bent towards the conspiratorial. But anybody's able to say what they believe. And so you're getting a lot of narratives that are running wild. You're getting citizen journalism or podcaster journalism. I don't know what to

• 10:54Speaker 03

  neither butcher journalism.

• 10:55Tom Bilyeu?

  New thing. But yeah, what do you, what do you see in the way that Candace is putting pieces together?

• 11:03Speaker 03

  So I'm not, I'm not very familiar with Candace's argument overall, but here's what I will say about

• 11:08Tom Bilyeu?

  It's Israel.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh.

• 11:10Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll just simplify it for you.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  I mean, if that's the end conclusion, I would, I would love to poke holes in the entire process. Either way, there's an, there's a very clear and predictable anatomy to conspiracy, which explains why conspiracy happens. Conspiracy has always happened. The, the theory of a conspiracy, of a planned coordinated lie, has been around as long as the United States and beyond. And it happens anytime there's a factual event that's immediately followed by an absence of information. Anytime those two things happen, a factual event followed by an absence of information, it just invites conspiracy because the human brain does not like an open loop. It does not like to not have a conclusion. It doesn't like to not know the answer. It doesn't like to accept

• 11:57Speaker 03

  having to wait, wait for a conclusion, wait for a resolution, wait for more information. Our brains don't like that. Our brains like very clear, very closed, very consistent loops. It keeps us happy. It keeps us satisfied. It keeps us feeling safe and secure. So here with Charlie Kirk, like with, with any major criminal incident, there's going to be a long absence of information because the, in order for our legal system to prosecute, it has to go through a process of building a case. And if, if that case building process is, is undermined with, with people reaching in and knowing about information and evidence before it can be presented to the court, then it makes it harder to build the case,

• 12:42Speaker 03

  which makes it harder for us to actually find the justice that we are promising, not only for the victims, but also for the criminals who are also protected under law as a US citizen. So we have to accept that if we want our system to work the way that we all want our system to work, we have to give space for the courts to collect the information in secret that they need to collect. Otherwise, we're actually undermining the evidence trail because we demand the need to know. And that leads, that gap of information leads to some incredible conspiracies and conspiracy theories that float around, completely unsubstantiated.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  And you can make anything coincidental or anything accidental sound like it's intentional until you kind of vet it through an analytical process that most conspiracy theorists don't vet.

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• 16:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. All right, so if you were going to build a module into Everyday Spy and you were going to teach people how not to fall prey to conspiracy theory. But we are in a vacuum, like we, we have this dearth of information, like really use Charlie Kirk's assassin. We don't know. The FBI promised to tell us things, but they're not telling us things. So if you were going to teach me how to deal in this moment, even if it's just to sit comfortably with uncertainty. How would you walk me through it? How would you help me dissect? I get you don't know the specifics, but how would you help me dissect somebody like Candace?

• 16:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Who makes like, she comes with, I'll say coincidental receipts, but nonetheless receipts that in a John Nash sort of way, which people know more from like, it's always sunny in Philadelphia with like all the strings. Like she can paint a picture of, look at how all of these things are connected. How do you help somebody have the defenses to know when something is true or likely to be true and how to debunk information from somebody who is, let's say, both well-meaning, intelligent, and coming with very specific examples?

• 17:20Speaker 03

  So the answer is, is kind of twofold. You have to understand the difference between objective information versus subjective information. Objective information is information that can be proven, that can be verified, and that is coming from more than one source. So proven, if she's got receipts, or proven if she's got, you know, samples, kind of like with 9/11. People can show that there are certain flight manifests that are suspicious. They can show that there are, there are, there's timing that's suspicious. Like, those are facts. That's objective reality. Okay, cool. So you have facts. That's one part of what makes something objective. Another part of what makes it objective is having multiple sources of it, not just one source.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Many conspiracy theories all boil down to one person or one location, one source that started the theory. And then everybody else is repeating the theory. That's called circular reporting. When all the new information actually ties back to one original source. So you're always trying to find multiple verifiable independent sources when you're talking about objective information. So if, if she's saying certain receipts are valid, where is somebody else, independent of her, verifying the same information? How do we know that the receipts are real? How do we know that the receipts actually have the connections that they have? Or is it just suspicious? If it's just suspicious, then it's not objective. It's subjective. It's based on the individual. It's based on feelings and emotion.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  So you have to understand that there's objective and subjective information that, that makes the overwhelming amount of information that we're dealing with difficult to navigate. And then second to that-

• 18:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Does it make it difficult to navigate? Or there's just such a volume of subjective information that you have to filter it out quickly?

• 19:04Speaker 03

  I think of it like being in a river. Right? If anybody's ever tried to swim in a fast river, if you've fallen off of a whitewater raft into a fast river, you know what this feels like, too. There's an incredible volume of water that's moving. And it makes it hard for you not just to stay afloat, but it also makes it hard for you to move the direction you want to move. So it's actually hard to move in the water because the flow of the water, even if you swim arm over arm, this water is going to overpower you. So many times you have to learn how to navigate in that much volume of water. In a whitewater situation, when you fall into the water, you're actually not supposed to try to swim upstream. You're supposed to turn around and let the water carry you, and then you just push yourself left or right, and then the water will

• 19:47Speaker 03

  eventually carry you to one shore or the other because of the volume of water. You do the same, the same amount of water with no flow in like a pool or a lake, and you can swim anywhere you want. So that's how I see information in our world right now. We're in this, this just tidal wave of information, subjective and objective, factual and feelings-based. And if you try to fight it, it's going to continue to just choke you. There's a certain element of you have to weave your way into it to move where you want to move, or else you're not going to get where you need to go. So that's when I talk about navigating, I mean the word like controlling yourself, going where you want to go, whether it's towards the facts, whether it's towards

• 20:30Speaker 03

  the fabrication. Like people choose where they want to go in a lot of this stuff.

• 20:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so we've got this massive torrent. We are, though, right now, teaching the course on how to figure out what is real and what is not. So we've got objective, subjective. So we try to find the things that are corroborated by multiple people that are establishing a simple thing that this happened, and we see it from multiple angles.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Then the second thing that you need is some sort of index that you can use to, to compare the probability of information against the reliability of the source. So probability and reliability are very important when it comes to analytical rigor around the information or around the conclusion that you're trying to arrive at. If something is coming from a highly reliable source, but it's very unpredictable, like it's improbable, right? A very trusted source says that Russia's going to drop a bomb in New York City. That is a difficult thing to analyze. Whereas a low reliability source saying the same thing is much easier to put at a lower probability.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Similarly, when you have a high reliable source saying something that's also high probability, something that's highly likely. So if it's a Russian nuclear missile general saying that I received orders to launch a missile on New York City, now all of a sudden, that's a very reliable source. And if you have sigint that says that the Russians are targeting New York City, now you have something that's also very likely.

• 22:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Sigint, significant intel or something?

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Sigint is signals intelligence. So you have a verified secondary source, sigint, that matches the human intelligence source, the general, that are both saying the same thing. Now all of a sudden, you have a high probability incident. When you have single source reporting, like we're talking about here in the Charlie Kirk case, that immediately reduces the probability of accuracy, the probability of likelihood. And then when you have a low reliability source, so you've got a low reliability source and then you have an unlikely situation because you don't have secondary reporting saying that Israel's involved in any way. So you have this situation where in our index, this is very unlikely and low probability that what she's saying is true. If there's a second independent source that's saying the same thing, that moves up the

• 22:48Speaker 03

  probability scale. Or if there's a more reliable source, not just a conspiracy theorist, then that also would move up the probability scale. But here we have, we have single source reporting from a low reliability source that makes it less probable.

• 23:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. One thing that I know a lot of people that buy into Candace specifically are falling into, not falling into, they're aligning with the very anti-Israel sentiment of they're controlling a lot of things behind the scenes, maybe all the way to blackmail on President Trump, which is why they would read Trump as acting like somebody towards Israel that could only possibly be being blackmailed because it's so unpopular with his base, but he's doing it anyway. You, when I first mentioned that was Candace's stance, you immediately had a, okay, that's ridiculous. What is it about your worldview that has led you to believe the exact opposite

• 23:48Tom Bilyeu?

  of what feels like the new torrent of beliefs, which is Israel is manipulating the world? Yeah, how does your mental model diverge from that?

• 23:58Speaker 03

  First of all, everybody's trying to manipulate the world. The fact that we're focused on Israel just kind of shows our ignorance of the reality that everybody's trying to shape the world. The Chinese are trying to shape the world, the Russians, the North Koreans, the Botswana ians, right? You name every country in the world is trying to shape the world. We're all trying to influence in the most beneficial way for ourselves in our limited spheres of influence, which some are very limited. Some people may only be able to influence their neighbor. Some can only influence their family. Others can influence entire, you know, international markets. So everybody's trying to influence everybody. So to single out Israel is just juvenile. Of course, Israel's playing a role.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  And if they're playing an effective role, we shouldn't be surprised because they have very strong allies, they have a strong economy, they have a history that has made them very self-reliant and independent. So if they're good at influencing, then we shouldn't be surprised by that. The United States is also very good at this. The Russians are also very good at this. The Chinese are also very good at this. Why aren't people blaming the Russians or the Chinese or the North Koreans for what's going on with Charlie Kirk? That leads to the second point, that it's because there's an anti-Israeli sentiment. Our country is so susceptible to these nationalized biases.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Do you remember when we had Islamophobia? Do you remember when we had Asia phobia? Now we have Jewophobia, Israelophobia, whatever you want to call it, right? Like, we are so susceptible to this in large part because, as a population, we are so unskilled at differentiating between information. So we start to think that, oh, because Israel is attacking and killing Palestinians in Gaza, and because the whole world has turned against them for that decision, they must also be villains in many other places. And now everywhere we see villainy, we can blame it on Israel. That's not accurate. It's not any more accurate than when we were saying, oh, now that Al Qaeda blew up

• 26:06Speaker 03

  the two buildings, the Twin Towers in New York, everything's terrorism. That's not really true. And for sure, what's terrorism is not always Islamic extremism. And what's always Islamic extremism isn't always Al Qaeda specific. So we've got to learn how to differentiate between our feelings and the facts that are out there. One of the big reasons that you heard me kind of scoff at that is because there's also an element that we call blowback. Blowback in government is probably the biggest concern that we have. And that blowback can be public blowback, but even worse than public blowback for us is diplomatic or international blowback.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  When you make a bad call, that then becomes knowledge to your allies and your rivals, there's a blowback penalty that's very real. Sometimes it means they stop trading with you. Sometimes it means they stop sharing intelligence with you. Sometimes it means they stop cooperating with you. They activate their own independent cells inside your country, whatever. Israel does not want to risk that level of blowback inside the United States. They don't want to risk alienating the United States, especially not the conservative base of the United States.

• 27:19Tom Bilyeu?

  You're saying by assassinating Charlie Kirk?

• 27:21Speaker 03

  Correct. What would they have to gain from that long term? Outside of the fact that we want to accuse Israel of every villainy that's out there right now, what would they actually have to gain empirically? What would they actually have to gain substantially that wouldn't have asymmetrical risk instead? Their fight's not with the United States. Their fight is with their own survival because they're surrounded by enemies on all sides. So we want to look at these through analytical laws or what we call razors. Occam's razor is that the simplest solution is often the correct solution. But there's a second razor that's called Hanlon's razor. And Hanlon's razor says, you should not subscribe to conspiracy, that which can be explained through incompetence.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Meaning incompetence is more likely than conspiracy. So what's really more likely that Charlie Kirk was killed at a public event as a soft target because the security wasn't up to snuff to prevent his killing? Is that more likely? Or is it more likely that Israel launched a secret operation to have him killed and was so effective at it that nobody has been able to collect evidence to demonstrate that except one person? What's more likely? What's more probable? Which one is the one that actually meets the index of possibility and source reliability? Which one actually meets both conditions of the razor? Which one actually meets the idea of subjective and objective information?

• 28:51Speaker 03

  When you look at it professionally, that's why it's laughable.

• 28:55Tom Bilyeu?

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• 30:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now let's get back to it.

• 30:57Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm going to channel what they, they would say. So first I'll lay my thoughts on the table so people know when I'm pushing my own beliefs versus when I'm channeling somebody else. I think we're going to find out the kid acted alone. I think that there's enough internal hatred in America that you do see left wing, right wing violence. I don't think that you have to go much further than somebody who becomes radicalized by an ideology that says, you're going to hurt people that I love. And so I'm willing to take you out, especially when I become the young, disaffected, intelligent, young man who is hyper educated and underemployed. That's going to be a phenomenon that we in the West are not used to dealing with.

• 31:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And for a long time, we just thought we washed our hands of it with video games and pornography. And we're finding out that that is not true. That Jordan Peterson is right, that people have a Christ complex and they want something that makes them feel like they've done, they've carried their cross and they've done something meaningful. And even if that means shooting a healthcare CEO and spending the rest of your life in jail or getting the death penalty, or for your lover, killing the person that you think ideologically is the biggest risk to their well being. And that people get sucked up into a narrative, which is exactly what I think is happening to Candace and other people. But everybody needs a worldview and they're going to tell themselves a story about the world. And when that gets reinforced, there, there is quite literally no end to how far they will go.

• 32:25Tom Bilyeu?

  No one's going to remember Heaven's Gate, but like people will literally kill themselves because they think the aliens are coming to whisk them away to heaven. Just recently, we had people that thought that the rapture was going to happen and they were like giving away all their stuff and selling their stuff. I'm just absolutely wild, uh, what people can get sucked into. So anyway, that to me seems the most obvious razor enabled outcome. We'll see. Now to go back to what they're channeling, it goes something like this.

• 32:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Israel has already proven that they are extremely good at putting together very future facing, long-term plans to get people. The pager thing, I think really it, it did two things. People had to be like, damn, that's impressive that they were able to create a distribution network for pagers. Like, that's so wild.

• 33:21Tom Bilyeu?

  So, and then to kill people with such precision in a coordinated fashion, like very, very impressive. So people know that they do that. And also I think, um, I don't know if it was intentional, but there's been a lot of media around how savvy the Mossad is. Like I forget the Steven Spielberg movie Munich, Munich, where they show like, oh, you, um, killed a bunch of our athletes. Bro, forget it. Like we're, we're going to hunt you down one after the other. So there's been plenty of media around the just relentlessness, the ruthlessness, the, um, brilliant cunning that they have displayed. So you've got that.

• 34:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So they would say, well, hold on a second, like that we know that they do this kind of thing. And then Charlie Kirk was killed days after saying, I just lost a big Jewish donor because I'm going to have Tucker on. And I might be turning away from it. So what motive does Israel have? The motive that Israel has is that Charlie Kirk was one of the most effective people at turning, put that could potentially turn the youth against Israel. We couldn't have it. We can see he's going in the Tucker anti-Israel direction. Nope, hard pass, got to take him out.

• 34:35Speaker 03

  So first of all, you cannot compare Israel's response to its existential threats like Hamas, like Hezbollah, like Iran. You can't compare its response and preparation for those threats to political threats like what they would have in the United States from a senator, a congressperson, a president, anybody else, a nonprofit. You can't compare the two. And you certainly can't compare the two in terms of the budget that they will spend and the risk, the blowback that they would risk in response. The pager incidents. Hezbollah has been an existential threat for Israel for decades, decades. Why did they have a plan in place to put explosives into pagers? Because they knew that Hezbollah,

• 35:19Speaker 03

  and they knew that Hamas was using pagers. They knew the model. They had already done the research. They knew the distribution channel because it had been years in the making, because the threat was persistent and always there. Now, there's all sorts of intel operations that sit on a shelf, right? The term shelving, shelving something, actually comes from this idea of military operations that are planned out just in case and then shelved, so that in the event something happens, like a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, you're not starting from scratch the day that you find out. You can pull something off the shelf that's 80% complete, 70% complete, 90% complete. Mossad, in defense of the nation

• 36:00Speaker 03

  of Israel, the existence of Israel, that's an existential threat. They have plans on the shelves that I'm sure would send all of our heads spinning. They knew what they were going to do in Natanz long before they ever asked the president to drop bombs on the Iranian enrichment facility. They already knew how to sneak across the border and launch drones. They had all of that on the shelf, possibly for the last decade. They just chose to execute it at a certain time. That's what happens. That's what makes Mossad seem so impressive. They essentially only have a handful of enemies, but those enemies are existential enemies, where the United States has binders full of enemies, and almost none of those

• 36:42Speaker 03

  enemies are existential enemies. So we don't put nearly as much money or time into planning that the Mossad puts into their planning for a handful of threats. So to say that Charlie Kirk... Meets the same kind of budgetary or existential threat that Hezbollah or Hamas or Iran meets is already flawed logic. It just doesn't happen. And then, when you think about what is the most logical way to handle the threat of him potentially turning the youth against Israel? Is it really better to kill the guy? Or is it better to spend a year or two trying to woo him back into your favor? Which wouldn't seem unrealistic, right? Could you arrange a large donation?

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Could you arrange even a blackmail operation? Which is completely and totally unlikely. But it would still be easier to launch a blackmail operation that somehow compromises him and forces him to verbalize his support for Israel rather than killing the guy? Because once you kill the guy, you can't, there's no taking that back. The risk for blowback is too high. So the fact that there, that there's an argument at all, that because of what Mossad is capable of with Hamas, therefore, they must also be capable of that with every other target in the world, is a ludicrous argument, just based on how they prioritize their time, how they prioritize their efforts. The other thing that's important to talk about here is the information warfare landscape.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  It's so easy for us to forget, we're constantly in a landscape of information warfare. Not only is there information, not only is there good and bad information, but there's also intentionally bad information. What's called misinformation, what's called disinformation, and what's called malinformation. Misinformation, incomplete or incorrect. Disinformation, fully, patently false. And malinformation, which is true information spun in a negative way. All of those are part of the landscape too. Why did Israel let a movie like Munich become so popular? Why did Israel promote and, and share on social media their incursions into Iran and the launching of their drones? Why did they share footage of what the, what happened whenever, whenever the pagers went

• 38:54Speaker 03

  off? Because they're shaping that information warfare landscape. They want the whole world to overestimate their capabilities. Can they do amazing things? Yes, but could they do that against 161 independent countries? No, they can do it against a handful of imminent Existential threats to the homeland.

• 39:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, you brought up blackmail. By the way, that was a wonderful argument.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, that was just a diatribe.

• 39:20Tom Bilyeu?

  That was great, because I really think this is gaining steam. And boy, do I wish that people, well, I was gonna say, boy, do I wish that people would look at history and go pogroms rear their ugly head and never do we go, I'm really glad that we killed a bunch of Jews. We always end up going, ooh, those were monsters. But we're living through one of those moments right now. And the distressing part has become that people go, yeah, but why do people keep launching pogroms on the Jews? That's the part where I'm like, oh, my God. First of all, there's an obvious answer that when you have a minority that is very successful in populist moments where economics makes people uncertain, that anxiety has to be transmuted into anger, because anxiety feels

• 40:03Tom Bilyeu?

  horrible and anger feels awesome. My audience will have heard this too many times to count, but there was a study done, very few people, but fascinating enough, that if you open somebody's skull and start electroting their brain, and you touch all the regions for emotions, and then ask them, which emotion did you enjoy the most that you want me to press again, they will universally say anger. So anger comes with certainty. It comes with focus. It just feels good. It's an aggressive, forward moving thing. And so when I hear pogroms, I'm like, literally, if you were just like flipping through the pages of a history book, and you're like pogrom, I'm like, they're they're having economic problems guaranteed every time, 100% of the time, because you need someone to blame. And so when you want to transmute the anxiety into

• 40:48Tom Bilyeu?

  anger, you're like, who do I aim my anger at? And so the right question for me around Israel, or Jews, I guess, is what is it in Jewish culture that makes them so effective? That they can go into a strange land and become very successful. Now, is it just a focus on economics and they're just very good with money? In which case, learn about money. Uh, I don't understand people's bizarre reactions.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  There's a phenomenal book called Thou Shall't Prosper, written by a rabbi, um, a gentleman named Rabbi Lupin. And he goes through, I a hundred percent, I recommend this book. If you're a business owner, or if you're an entrepreneur, you must read this book. It literally answers the question that you just asked. What is it about Jews that makes it possible for this religious, um, ideology to basically go anywhere and be successful, financially successful? I would argue, and Rabbi Lupin would argue, that their financial success is secondary. That what they're actually successful at first is community. They find real needs and real, uh, real opportunities to enhance the community that they are now part of.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  And then they just maximize their contribution to the community, which has a secondary effect of maximizing cash flow, maximizing revenue, maximizing growth, because they're servicing a need in the community that nobody else has previously serviced. And then as more and more Jews kind of come together, they also have a religious element of supporting each other. So then you may not be good at business, but you have somebody else in the synagogue who is good at business, and then they help you to develop your business idea. They help you to develop your business strategy. They help you to do your marketing. They help you to negotiate your lease. They help you to manage your books because that's part of the community. And then as a result, you end up having this thriving sector of people who share a faith.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  Compare that to Christians, compare that to, to Islam, compare that to Buddhism. We don't share the same focus on community. We don't share the same focus on finding gaps in the existing community. We focus, many of those religions focus first on their own kind. And in fact, Jews don't focus on their own kind first. They focus on on making the most of the environment that they're in at that moment. They kind of assume hardship and they try to work their way through the hardship first.

• 43:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Wait, are you saying that Jews don't focus on Jews first?

• 43:14Speaker 03

  I don't, according to what I've read and according to the book that I'm referring to you right now. That's not the first focus. The first focus is wherever they relocate to. The first focus is how do I serve? How do I exist in this community?

• 43:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm, I'm not a scholar, but I have a worldview right now that says that they are very insular, that they do focus on the Jewish community first. I'll be interested to see if that's true. I am very open to being wrong. But when I mentally map them, I take away like, ooh, must remember this. Uh, in terms of helping each other. So helping people that are on your team, however you define team, but that you create a community, you find a, a closed system and you say, cool, we're all going to help each other so that we can rise up. And then also, and I don't know if this will hold up to historical scrutiny. But um, if they really do focus on money, that's brilliant.

• 44:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And I'm just PSA, thou shalt listen to the, the following rant. So, uh, I learned how to make money, but I did not know how to invest money. And the last six years of my life has been basically about learning the economy. And when I say everybody must learn the economy, otherwise you will be manipulated by your government. Like right now, the, the litany of people that have lived and died under regimes that were manipulating them economically is so horrifying. And I see what America is now doing and it's an organism doing it to you. It's not like individual people. It's just that the incentive structure is such that, uh, the people that have a, a roll of the dice. Before we started rolling, we were talking about playing games like D and D,

• 44:53Tom Bilyeu?

  where you roll your character and you give them skills and traits based on rolls of the dice. Humans are actually like that. And so we all have traits. The people that really score high on the Machiavellian scale and they really want to accumulate power. Uh, they are going to. Rise to the top and they will learn as every empire before them learns that, oh, you have to you have to counterfeit your own currency is the fastest way to say it. We call it money printing or quantitative easing. We give it fancy names, but it is literally just counterfeiting your own currency and you realize that it benefits the elite that know how to invest in assets and it just absolutely slaughters everybody else. So every empire ever in all of history has done the

• 45:35Tom Bilyeu?

  same thing. And so there's just something in the human mind to avoid being taken advantage of by that you must learn how it works. Because once you learn how it works, it's like, oh, my God, the emperor really has no clothes and a very small dick. And you're just like, I know exactly what the fuck is going on right now. And most people just don't learn it. So the the way that people go, oh, they do that. And that's so gross. I'm just like, fucking out. Like, please, for the love of God, if it's that effective, will you just learn the skill? Like, instead of dismissing somebody, just be like, oh, that must be really effective. Let me go figure that out. But that's not the moment that we're in. The moment that we're in right now is anybody that's good at

• 46:19Tom Bilyeu?

  that, I'm going to take them down. And that is really, history says this is very distressing, and you become the bad guy very fast.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  You're, I love what you just said. And it's important, I think it's important to highlight that what you just said has a handful of powerful truths that all need to be broken out and detailed in order for the layperson to understand, let alone for the layperson to accept the truth of what you just kind of spat out, right?

• 46:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Much to my dismay.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Well, but it's all, it's fair. You're dedicating a huge portion of your life to teaching people how to do this.

• 46:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Enjoy it while it lasts. You're talking about that.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  But I appreciate, I appreciate that you're, you're making that dedication. As a fellow teacher, I appreciate the dedication to trying. There's so many people who will learn the information and like, it's my information. I have a client in Florida, sent to millionaire client. No, he and I have had the same conversations you and I, you and I just had here, right? Over bourbon, cigars at his giant plantation.

• 47:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Damn.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  And he's not sharing it. He's not telling anybody. He's like, yeah, this is the way it is. Sucks for everybody else, but here's what I'm doing.

• 47:28Tom Bilyeu?

  That's so wild.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  But that's how most people are. That's when you understand how the system works. There's, there's an instinctive, an instinctual response in the human brain that makes it so that you know something somebody else doesn't know. That means you don't share it.

• 47:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, people should have, people like that should have to, not have to. They should understand the utility in hanging a painting of Marie Antoinette on their wall.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  Hmm. I don't, I don't disagree with you. Um, but the reality is the reality. So there's two things I want to say, kind of to, to close the door unequivocally, in my opinion, on the Jewish topic, right? First, read Thou Shall Prosper. Go find the book, find it on audio, find it in the library, however you like to read. Read the book because it was incredibly enlightening to me as a business owner and as a, as a member of the human race. To, to read and understand more about how Jewish people think through the lens of a rabbi talking about business. I loved it. It was life-changing for me. I can't not do everything I can to express people. Look up that book. Thou shalt prosper. And then second, differentiating between Israel and Judaism.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  It's an important distinction. Israelis and Jews are two completely different bodies. They might be, they might consist of many of the same people, but Israel is a nation. It is a, it is a government that has been created with a, with an infrastructure above it. They don't separate between church and state, but nevertheless, Israel is a government. You have an Israeli passport. You don't have a Jewish passport, right? Judaism is a faith. You can be a Jew and not be Israeli. You can be Israeli and not be a Jew. There's all sorts of differences between the two, but we live in a world where we, we talk and we assume so quickly that we put the two hand in hand. There are plenty of Jews that don't agree with the policies of Israel.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  And it's important to have that distinction between the two because the government of Israel can be a ruthless government. It is proving to be corrupt in its own ways. It is proving to be isolating in terms of its international policy. But that doesn't mean that Jews, as a body of faith-based people, all reflect the same ideologies as their government does.

• 49:39Speaker 03

  I think you're exactly right that when there is economic pressure, when there is fear, people don't like the way fear feels. They would rather feel anger. So as fear reaches a peak, people find something to focus their anger on. When COVID was at its peak, we all hated the Chinese. When World War II was at its peak, we created concentration camps here in the United States for Japanese that were living inside the United States. We've ostracized everybody. I mean, if you're an Indian in the United States, you have felt what it's like to have people racist against you just because you're Indian. If you're Chinese, if you're Korean, if you're Mexican, we all know what it's like to have America turn

• 50:21Speaker 03

  against us culturally because of some fear from somewhere else, whether it's jobs and we all now we're afraid of Mexicans, or whether it's fentanyl and now we're all afraid of Colombians, or whatever else. Like, there's all sorts of reasons where we choose anger in the face of fear because of how it feels. And the Jews have been victim to that, too. The whole world knows about that, when they were victimized because they were the target of anger in Germany. And then that it went the way it went. So we know that that's that we're susceptible to that. It takes effort to work against that. It takes effort to say, hey, what else could be the root cause to the pressure, to the fear that I'm feeling

• 51:02Speaker 03

  right now in our economy right now? What else could be the real driver? Is it that, is it really a war in Venezuela that we need? Is it really to shut off H1 visas to foreigners? Is that really what we need? Is that going to actually solve my concern? Or is that just focusing my anger and giving me a very convenient answer to close a loop in my mind that allows me to sleep better at night so I can focus back on my productivity?

• 51:28Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, speaking of blackmail and open loops, Epstein, you've put a very interesting idea out that he looks far more like an FBI

• 51:41Tom Bilyeu?

  CI. CI. I was like, I see. Walk me through that because this one gets weirder by the day. Yeah. In terms of Trump releasing it all. You guys are still obsessed. What's happening? Ah, they better release everything. Like, it's so wild. Watching him vacillate, watching Cash Patel and Dan Bongino go from, bro, day one, we got you. To, I think of Putin every time. Men in black suits coming up to them, whispering in their ear, this is not how the government works. And them just suddenly like, nobody's interested. This, this one's crazy. This one feels like

• 52:22Tom Bilyeu?

  the ugly, under the hood machinations of the world came up to the surface. And people are just like, there's no way I'm gonna let you see how things actually work. Drew, my producer, who's just off camera right now, hi Drew, has said, you'll never get the Epstein files. Like, he's been saying that from day one. What's happening? Give me the FBI angle.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's, there's a, the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes, which is what's so often turns out to be true, right? So

• 52:53Speaker 03

  Jeffrey Epstein was doing a lot of illegal stuff on his own.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  In the eyes of the justice system, a bad guy doing bad things is useful. It's helpful.

• 53:04Tom Bilyeu?

  That's so wild.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Because bad guys doing bad things are almost always connected to other bad guys doing other bad things. And that opens up this access route, this utility for the Justice Department to say, oh, well, now we have a smorgasbord of bad guys, but we only have access to these bad guys through this one bad guy here. So they created this process called a CI, a covert informant or a clandestine informant. The CI's job is to inform and to gain and grant access to a wider net of bad guys.

• 53:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And this is specifically an FBI thing?

• 53:40Speaker 03

  It's specifically a, a law enforcement thing.

• 53:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. So it could be CIA or FBI?

• 53:46Speaker 03

  CIA is not law enforcement.

• 53:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting.

• 53:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, CIA's job is intelligence collection, not, not law enforcement.

• 53:52Tom Bilyeu?

  They tend to kill people.

• 53:54Speaker 03

  They used to be more able to kill people than they currently are. So law enforcement falls under, under the judicial branch. Intelligence collection falls under the executive branch. That's why the president can do whatever the hell he wants to with CIA, but the president cannot do whatever he wants to with FBI. Right? That's how that's how it was that FBI could could investigate the president and how he decided to have a backlash against the FBI. CIA, he just says no. He just shuts off their budget and and tells them he doesn't listen to them and and stops using them. And that's how you have the max, the mass exodus of 2016 that you had at CIA during Trump's first administration. So you have these two different branches of government. One controls CIA, the executive branch. One controls FBI, the judicial branch. That also means that Donald Trump can say, release the Epstein files, and that doesn't have any impact on the judicial branch.

• 54:39Tom Bilyeu?

  But is Cash Patel that makes that decision or someone else?

• 54:42Speaker 03

  So they can, they can be pressured into acting when the legislative branch and the executive branch both work together in a checks and balance way.

• 54:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Like if Pam Bondi and Cash Patel say, we're releasing it, is there's nobody else, right?

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Not really, yeah. They can, they can choose to do that on their own as long as it fits American law. American law is dictated by the legislative branch. So here's why I'm saying this. I'm saying this because even if

• 55:10Speaker 03

  our legislative branch votes to have the judicial branch release the files, that does not mean that they control what gets released or where it's released. So the files might be released only to the Senate Intelligence Committee or only to a subcommittee in charge of law enforcement, not to the American people. You're not gonna, they're not gonna vote today and then tomorrow you're gonna have full access to every file. They also might only release redacted files because there's going to be lines and details inside all of the files that have law enforcement, intelligence, or national security relevance. So it's all gonna be redacted. You're already seeing that in the emails that were leaked recently from House members. Who makes those redactions? The Department of Justice makes those redactions.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  Why do they make those redactions? Because they're protecting other cases that they're trying to close for criminal conviction. So release the files? What what's laughable to me is that they can release the files and the average American still won't see them because they're not going to be released to the public. They'll be released to subcommittees. They'll be released from the current kind of bucket of control they're in in the Justice Department and they'll be released to the Legislative Department. And then the Legislative Department and the subcommittees there will determine whether or not it should be released to the public or it should go right back to the Judicial Department because we have to protect XYZ case.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  Epstein as a CI was incredibly valuable because as much as he did bad things, the people that he had in his sphere of influence did worse things in the eyes of the law. This is an uncomfortable truth that people need to understand. In the eyes of national security, a pedophile is not that big a risk. Yo. That sucks, but it's true. If you're trying to protect a country, if you're trying to protect national secrets, if you're trying to protect our ability to win a war against China, a guy having sex with an underage child is not that important. But when that pedophile is connected to other world leaders, when that pedophile is connected to politicians that might be corrupt,

• 57:15Speaker 03

  politicians that might be allowing foreign influence in American policy, now all of a sudden that person can be granted amnesty in exchange for their cooperation in advancing the cases for all these other targets. That makes the most sense. In any research I've done, in any expert I've spoken to, in any review of the evidence that we've gotten so far on Epstein, that explanation makes the most sense of any other. That the United States said, "Hey, you're doing shitty, you're doing bad things. Here's a whole list of things that we can arrest you for and convict you for today." And he saw that list, and then they said, "Or you can cooperate with us to bring down bigger fish." And what's a guy like that gonna say? This isn't the mafia.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  He doesn't have to worry about somebody, you know, whacking him, he didn't think. So he's like, "Okay, I'll cooperate with you." Because then if I cooperate with you, you bring down some big fish. I don't ever go to jail for the things that I have to do to stay influential in my network. And now I'm protected, right? At the end of the day, we all have two instincts that we have to deal with. Our survival instinct and our tribal instinct. And those are the two instincts that drive us. Sometimes we're very survival-based. Sometimes we'll sacrifice our survival to be part of a group. In that moment, Epstein was like, "I need to survive. I need to take care of me more than I need to take care of my friends, which are my tribal instincts." And then...

• 58:40Speaker 03

  Life just is. That's just how human beings are wired. All of us have that same decision matrix every day.

• 58:45Tom Bilyeu?

  And what do you think about, um, was he ex-filled by the FBI so they could either protect their sources or did somebody actually have him killed? Or was this just a guy that was like, I don't want to go through the trial?

• 58:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think he killed himself. I, I will say that-

• 58:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Because of evidence.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  What has been released to us so far, when I look at it, it just, it doesn't make biological sense to, to be able to hang yourself essentially off of a doorknob at low out, at, at a low distance from the ground. It's a very difficult thing to do. So it, it just seems biologically improbable, not impossible, but improbable. And then even though I have, I have, I have supported wealthy people who have been convicted and are going to prison. I, I provide counseling and I provide, um, training-

• 59:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh shit.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  -to shape, to shape their mindset before they go into prison.

• 59:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  Because they're going to come out of prison too, right? So I've, I've helped people in that way.

• 59:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  I've helped people in that way.

• 59:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Later.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  And they all have that same thought that Epstein most likely had, where they're like, it's all over. My wealth is gone. My reputation is gone. My family will forever hate me. My kids are better off without me, so I'm just going to kill myself in jail. I'm just going to give up and never talk to anybody again. They all have that moment and it's just a mindset moment that they have to work their way through. Without a doubt, Jeffrey Epstein had a consultant like me who came in and coached him on his mindset. Without a doubt, his attorneys would have done it for sure. He had too much wealth behind him for someone not to invest in that way for him. So when I think of probability, probability is he would not have killed himself. Probability is even if he tried biologically, it wouldn't have been successful. So then what did happen? Was he killed in an organized criminal activity?

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  Or was he, or was he killed as a political martyr of some sort? But most likely, most probable to me, he was violently attacked. Whether they intended to kill him or just intimidate him, I don't know, but that seems the more likely case. That's completely separate from his role as a CI. If he would have been discovered as a CI, he would have been even more likely to be killed. If he was not known to be a CI, they still wouldn't want to release the details because to release the details of his role as a CI would be to undermine the, all the other CIs in the world right now, who are providing information about worse bad guys than them to the FBI. The promise the FBI makes, the promise CIA makes to all of their assets is we will protect

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  you. You will provide us information. We will protect you to the best of our ability. The best of their ability, when they're protecting a US citizen in the United States, is pretty high.

• 1:01:18Tom Bilyeu?

  It is, uh, like this one is wild to me in terms of, um, what, what does it say about the state of the government, I guess?

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  It doesn't say anything new. That, that, we've all been, we've all believed that we're good. We've all believed that we're on the right side of humankind and we're a good and decent government.

• 1:01:46Tom Bilyeu?

  When I watched House of Cards, it didn't seem plausible. So it was fun. I enjoyed it. Very over the top. I'm like, get out of here. And then Epstein happened. I was like, oh my God. Yeah. Like this might actually be like the level of chicanery that's actually going on. That, that's where I'm like, wow, this is really hard to metabolize.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  Again, you have to look at those two razors that we talked about, right? Occam's razor and Hanlon's razor. Is it more likely that we only recently became corrupt as a federal government? Is it only recently that we became highly politicized and, and survival oriented? Or have we always been that way, but the advent of technology has made it more transparent to the layperson? Which one of those is more likely? Well, if you keep, if you take the most simplest explanation, we've always been that way. So it meets Occam's razor to believe that we've always been this way. We've always been this way. It's just that technology has made it so that you and I can now keep up with it at a faster pace. And then if you look at Hanlon's razor, don't subscribe to conspiracy that which can be explained through idiocy.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  Then again, we've always been this way. It's not that we've been able to keep a secret. It's just that nobody's had realtime access into so much information about what's happening in government. We've never had so many leaks. We've never had so much press interest. We've never had so many channels to communicate the information that we're collecting. We've never had, like you were saying before, podcast journalism, or social journalism, or community journalism, whatever isms you want to call them. We've never had that before. Everybody was too busy working on an assembly line, or trying to scrape together two sticks to make a light, right? We never had that in the past. So when I look through the laws of analysis, it just confirms for me what I learned when I was at CIA. The average American has no concept of how the government works.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  And the average world citizen has no concept of how their government works, and for sure, they have no concept of how the US government works, the largest, wealthiest, most militarily powerful government in the world. You think that we became that way by playing fair? You think we became that way by standing on the moral high ground? That's not how government works. That's never been how government works. That will never be how government works. The whole reason we have a representative government is so that we don't have to have blood on our hands as the voters. We can elect someone else to go do the dirty work.

• 1:04:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Are we ever going to get transparency into who Epstein was and what he did?

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  I don't believe we will. I don't believe we will because it doesn't benefit our national security infrastructure to tell the true story. We might get answers, but we'll never know if the answers that were given are complete, accurate, or truthful. Because every government knows you have to give the people something to follow. And then that doesn't have to be the truth. Just like what's happening right now in the Caribbean. Why do we have a military buildup in the Caribbean? Because of Venezuela? Run that through the two razors that we talked about. It doesn't make any sense. But that's what we're being told. And because we're being told that, we accept that. Nobody's questioning whether or not our military presence in the Caribbean is due to something else.

• 1:05:06Tom Bilyeu?

  You think it's China?

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  That's what I believe.

• 1:05:09Tom Bilyeu?

  We'll get to that in a minute. If you were advising the Trump administration right now, how do you get enough Epstein file out there? Lie or otherwise, that people go, cool, got it, check, thanks. We finally got the transparency that we needed.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  You don't want people to say, cool, I'm done. You always want to have this red herring. This is the definition of a red herring. A red herring is, is a useful tool that you can use to, to distract people. You want the Epstein case to always be available as a red herring. So if I was advising the Donald Trump organization, I would say, do exactly what you're doing right now. Donald Trump, you tell the people officially, I think that you should let the House vote on releasing the files. Even though the president, as the leader of the executive branch, could do it himself. He could tell the judicial branch to do it. And, and they would arguably, as commander in chief, be hard pressed not to listen to him. But he's not doing that. Instead, he's making it the House's problem. He's making it Congress's problem.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  So he's like, hey, Congress, you do this thing from the legislative branch. And I'm going to be the one that's the figurehead saying, the leader, saying, you do the thing that's going to help the American people. And then simultaneously, you're telling Cash Patel, release whatever you need to release that doesn't compromise current investigations. And anything that looks bad on our current administration, redact. Now Cash Patel, leader of the FBI, Pam Bondi, the, the head of Homeland Security, they can both go in there and they can, they can redact anything that they, that they decide looks bad on the current administration or is related to a current criminal investigation and release that. And the American people will say, oh, now we have all the files, but what about all these redactions? And now the Justice Department can always say,

• 1:06:50Speaker 03

  those redactions are critical for national security. Because the stability of the federal government, the survivability of the current administration is considered a national security priority.

• 1:07:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this is gonna get weird. Like, this has not been good for his presidency and his inability to fix the economy in a timely manner, which I think is impossible, but nonetheless, is a double whammy. We, we shall see.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  Well, that's, I think Donald Trump is also, he's a very practical personality. No matter how you cut it, you can kind of accept that there's a pragmatism when you look at it through the lens of Donald Trump protecting Donald Trump. That's survival instinct. He's, any, any failure that he has in a campaign promise is something that he can distract from. He also promised to not start any new wars, and he's gone back on that several times, right? He's turning into a very conflict-oriented president, not only with Iran, but also with Venezuela. That's completely, that goes completely against the campaign promise. He's done an about-face on releasing JFK files. He's done an about-face on releasing Epstein files. Those

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  were also campaign promises. You, you see him trying to, like, trying to boost the economy in traditional ways. The traditional ways are not that different from the way Biden or Obama tried to boost the economy either, even though he tries to make it look different. He knows that probability-wise, this is his last term, and coming out of this term, he wants all the benefits of being a former president, and he wants to shore up as few risks as possible that carried over with him into the presidency. So Donald Trump's there to take care of Donald Trump, and the United States will be a secondary benefit, but that's his primary goal.

• 1:08:35Tom Bilyeu?

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