Trevor Lawrence on being a Top 10 NFL QB, Calvin Ridley, Mahomes & Jaguars Super Bowl?

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find Finally, we made the trip back to Fred’s NFL home!! Duuval!! And Not only did we make it to Jacksonville and get an inside look to the Jaguars organization, but we sat down with the man himself, Trevor Lawrence! Coming off a wild run to the playoffs last season, Trevor Lawrence is confident Jacksonville is ready to compete with the best of the best in the AFC and have the talent and discipline to carry the team deep into the post season. Being named one of the top 10 NFL QBs heading into 2023, Trevor doesn’t feel pressure to win but welcomes the challenge of being better each time he steps on the field, capitalizing on the chemistry he’s building on offense and the team’s tough defense. Excited about the addition of Calvin Ridley, Trevor talks about his energy incredible talent & versatility he brings to the offense and just one more reason Jacksonville could be considered a Super Bowl contender. From 5 star high school recruit to National Championship QB at Clemson and being apart of one of college football’s most talented teams, Trevor Lawrence is used to the football spotlight but opens up on how hard it was his first couple seasons in Jacksonville adjusting and helping to establish a winning culture. Sharing what kept him grounded during the roller coaster times, Trevor says how Coach Doug Pederson was the unwavering voice for him, never losing focus and approaching everyday with consistency and the same energy no matter if it was a 5 game losing streak or 5 game win streak. Although football is his passion and fuels him everyday, Trevor fully understands it’s just a game and that there is more to life in which he finds his balance through his family and faith. His brother who’s his best friend is an artist and barely watches football which Trevor finds peace in that bond as well as with his wife Marissa, who has been on this journey with him since high school. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  We're talking about good fabric.

• 0:32Fred Taylor?

  You can't say feel that thing gets soft. Come on, bro.

• 0:37Ryan Clark?

  This the house that Freddie built right here.

• 0:38Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah, I probably contributed 2%, 1% 20 something years ago.

• 0:46Channing Crowder?

  Mr. Fred Taylor facility.

• 0:47Ryan Clark?

  Man, Freddie T, Martin Brunel back in 1974.

• 0:53Ryan Clark?

  I remember.

• 0:54Fred Taylor?

  Seventy-four.

• 0:55Ryan Clark?

  It was Freddie T, Terry Bradshaw. Me, Joe Green.

• 0:59Channing Crowder?

  Going at it. Him and Franco.

• 1:01Ryan Clark?

  AMC supremacy.

• 1:04Channing Crowder?

  Him and Franco. I remember Fred got his face mask for the first time.

• 1:09Ryan Clark?

  This is beautiful.

• 1:09Channing Crowder?

  They really did. This is nice, bro.

• 1:11Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, this is.

• 1:12Ryan Clark?

  This will make me want to come to work.

• 1:14Channing Crowder?

  Get to the playoffs, get some money.

• 1:16Ryan Clark?

  They're trying to get that Super Bowl.

• 1:17Channing Crowder?

  Can't hide money.

• 1:18Ryan Clark?

  You cannot hide money.

• 1:19Fred Taylor?

  You gotta try to find a way to get free agents to town too. Facilities help. Florida, no state tax. So that's one, one thing that'll.

• 1:27Channing Crowder?

  Money gonna be on top.

• 1:28Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 1:29Channing Crowder?

  But do you pick a team off the state tax?

• 1:30Ryan Clark?

  Miami.

• 1:32Fred Taylor?

  You already got a problem with FICA. I know you didn't know who the FICA was. When you first opened your first check, exactly. And to see only that and no state tax is beautiful.

• 1:42Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, Mike.

• 1:43Fred Taylor?

  Did you see that thing floating on social media with Robert Horry and James Harden? It was six championships or 300 million.

• 1:51Channing Crowder?

  300 million.

• 1:52Fred Taylor?

  What would you take?

• 1:53Ryan Clark?

  Depends on how many million I get. How many million I have.

• 1:56Fred Taylor?

  Three hundred, it's NBA.

• 1:57Ryan Clark?

  What if, I mean, what if Robert Ori is happy with his a hundred million?

• 2:01Fred Taylor?

  I think it was like fifty-eight million or something.

• 2:04Channing Crowder?

  That's never enough money. If I have a hundred million, I don't want three hundred million. I want every goddamn dime of everything.

• 2:09Ryan Clark?

  It's not, it's not about, it's not about wanting it, like, life happens different for everybody.

• 2:13Fred Taylor?

  But we can agree, though, that.

• 2:15Ryan Clark?

  Three hundred million is better than fifty, yeah.

• 2:16Fred Taylor?

  Well, yeah, that part, but I mean, NFL free agency. Facilities, that's where it started, that, that matters, right?

• 2:22Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 2:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, for sure, and this is beautiful.

• 2:24Channing Crowder?

  I think it started in colleges, though. Them kids going to colleges.

• 2:28Ryan Clark?

  They get to the league and they're like, "Bro, this is."

• 2:30Channing Crowder?

  Gobbish. Yeah, that's what happened.

• 2:31Fred Taylor?

  They're gonna say no clips on this. This is for the defense only?

• 2:36Speaker 05

  There's offense one and a defense two.

• 2:38Channing Crowder?

  Come on, Fred, let's go. Fred, get on the line.

• 2:41Fred Taylor?

  You're not gonna be able to get up.

• 2:44Channing Crowder?

  Somebody blow the whistle.

• 2:49Ryan Clark?

  Hey, bro.

• 2:50Fred Taylor?

  I'm halfway down the, I'm halfway down the curtain.

• 2:53Ryan Clark?

  One of y'all would've tore something.

• 2:56Ryan Clark?

  It would've been the most horrific moment in pivot history.

• 2:59Channing Crowder?

  I was on top of Fred before he even got up.

• 3:01Ryan Clark?

  Social media gold.

• 3:03Fred Taylor?

  This guy.

• 3:04Ryan Clark?

  And I was gonna, I was gonna commentate it, too. Brad Taylor, hop up off the ground.

• 3:10Channing Crowder?

  I'm gonna breathe hard for ten minutes.

• 3:12Fred Taylor?

  This is all digital?

• 3:13Speaker 05

  This is all digital, yep. Per controlled all this from his office.

• 3:16Channing Crowder?

  Kurt got a little glamour shot. That's hard.

• 3:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that's tight. This is nice, man.

• 3:21Fred Taylor?

  Jinx go get it.

• 3:22Speaker 05

  Oh, Jinx go.

• 3:23Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 3:24Ryan Clark?

  Jinx can flat out play. Slightly jealous right now.

• 3:27Fred Taylor?

  And this is practice.

• 3:28Ryan Clark?

  Slight.

• 3:28Channing Crowder?

  Practice?

• 3:30Ryan Clark?

  Practice?

• 3:30Channing Crowder?

  This is practice.

• 3:32Fred Taylor?

  This is where they live.

• 3:35Channing Crowder?

  This is, this is.

• 3:35Ryan Clark?

  Show you my favorite part of every, every locker room.

• 3:38Fred Taylor?

  I don't even wanna hear it, bro.

• 3:40Ryan Clark?

  Oh, man.

• 3:41Fred Taylor?

  I hope there's no LSU helmet up there.

• 3:44Ryan Clark?

  You can't have a football team without an LSU helmet, man. God, this is so dope.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  This is obviously our college wall.

• 3:50Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 05

  Each week, when the rankings come out, we're gonna re-rank them. So the top two, the top 25.

• 3:56Ryan Clark?

  That's dope.

• 3:56Fred Taylor?

  Is this legit preseason ranking right now?

• 3:58Speaker 05

  It's not legit. It's like the ESPN something poll.

• 4:01Fred Taylor?

  Got it.

• 4:02Ryan Clark?

  That's why Florida's on the second row.

• 4:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I went to Florida State, so after the second, after the first game, LSU will probably be dropping.

• 4:08Ryan Clark?

  Oh, wow, that's crazy.

• 4:12Channing Crowder?

  I love an ally.

• 4:13Fred Taylor?

  Forget about that one, man.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  And each week, we'll dress the mannequin. It's the way we're wearing it.

• 4:18Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 4:19Speaker 05

  So the guys will see, because you know, they pick their gloves and cleats.

• 4:21Fred Taylor?

  Based on that, correct.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  So they can see.

• 4:23Fred Taylor?

  Got it. Oh, man, the game has gotten a little bit easier for everybody.

• 4:28Channing Crowder?

  Jeez. I don't care what y'all wearing. We used to go play football.

• 4:32Ryan Clark?

  You didn't care what gloves you wore?

• 4:33Channing Crowder?

  Give a damn what nothing was going on.

• 4:35Ryan Clark?

  I was running. It's not about your glove color helping you. It's about me feeling better as I walk on to the field.

• 4:42Fred Taylor?

  You remember back in the day, the IOUs on the napkin?

• 4:45Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 4:46Fred Taylor?

  Ain't no more of that. It's Venmo, baby.

• 4:48Ryan Clark?

  Oh, you can give it to me right now.

• 4:51Channing Crowder?

  Oh, I owe you. I owe you?

• 4:52Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I pay for your haircut.

• 4:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 4:54Fred Taylor?

  Here we go. Big man, what's up with you? Good?

• 4:57Ryan Clark?

  Let's do it right now.

• 4:59Channing Crowder?

  Hey, you and this two, man.

• 5:01Fred Taylor?

  I was good. Good to see you, Dave. Can't complain. How about yourself?

• 5:03Channing Crowder?

  So you and that security man played together, huh?

• 5:07Channing Crowder?

  You know, beautiful. This man we about to go talk to.

• 5:10Ryan Clark?

  He's a beautiful human, man.

• 5:11Fred Taylor?

  He brings the sunshine out.

• 5:13Channing Crowder?

  Cave man features a little bit.

• 5:15Ryan Clark?

  Well, it's because he's tall.

• 5:16Channing Crowder?

  Trevor would be fine if he was short.

• 5:17Ryan Clark?

  No, not at all. So your height makes you look better? Bro, I'm telling you, the way women see 5'11" and 6' totally different, bro.

• 5:24Channing Crowder?

  What? No, no, no.

• 5:25Ryan Clark?

  Totally different thing.

• 5:26Channing Crowder?

  If you're an attractive person at 5'8", you attractive at 6'3"?

• 5:29Fred Taylor?

  His hair is glorious.

• 5:31Channing Crowder?

  So if you're attractive at 6'3", you're not attractive at 5'8"?

• 5:34Ryan Clark?

  If you're at 6'3" and you got the same face.

• 5:36Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 5:37Ryan Clark?

  Compared to a 5'8" guy, 6'3" guy gets way more women.

• 5:40Channing Crowder?

  Gets more women because the height. But I'm talking about just attractiveness.

• 5:43Ryan Clark?

  But you're less attractive because you're short.

• 5:45Fred Taylor?

  Does hair matter?

• 5:46Ryan Clark?

  Hair matters if your face is not great.

• 5:49Channing Crowder?

  I don't need no hair in.

• 5:50Ryan Clark?

  Hey, first off, Waffle House is excellent.

• 5:52Channing Crowder?

  Waffle House is terrible.

• 5:53Ryan Clark?

  You gotta go. To Waffle House? You gotta go at least once. I just go. I'm a waffle guy. Cheese eggs, hash browns, grits.

• 6:01Channing Crowder?

  There's places that you make enough money, you don't have to go to anymore. I have worked, because I don't like to talk about money, but I say I've worked too hard. I worked too hard to go to the goddamn Waffle House.

• 6:11Ryan Clark?

  I do.

• 6:37Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the Pivot. Now, I just want you to look at Freddie T. And say thank you for what he did for this organization. The only reason this organization stands is because Freddie T. Nah, I'm just playing. We all need one of those. It's a legendary.

• 6:52Fred Taylor?

  What is it, the jersey swap? We can swap it out for sure.

• 6:56Ryan Clark?

  But Trevor, man, for real, like, we just have a lot of respect for what Fred did, not only in Jacksonville, but throughout his 13 years in the league. But, man, when he played here, this was a hell of a place to come and have to play defense. It was difficult, it was physical, it was fast. And, you know, his contributions, I've been messing with him about it, but his contributions to this locker room and to this team, based on what we felt in other locker rooms, was monumental, much like you're doing already in your career. Freddie T. needs no introduction here, that's Channing Taylor.

• 7:32Fred Taylor?

  I'll trade you. Take a hat.

• 7:34Channing Crowder?

  Take a hat.

• 7:35Fred Taylor?

  Take a hat.

• 7:35Channing Crowder?

  I'm wearing this today.

• 7:36Fred Taylor?

  You know you want to be a Jagger.

• 7:37Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you can't, you can't fit that.

• 7:41Channing Crowder?

  You go to hell, how about that?

• 7:42Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you got, you got some game one.

• 7:43Fred Taylor?

  Yeah?

• 7:44Ryan Clark?

  Yes. That's a Fisher there.

• 7:46Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Channing Crowder?

  I'm taking this.

• 7:47Fred Taylor?

  Anything that I got or had, George got it on lock. That's my guy.

• 7:52Ryan Clark?

  Trev, man, it's, you're from a small town, from Cartersville, the Purple Hurricanes. And you would think, when you talk small-town teams, because listening to you talk, just the humility that you move with, the love for people, you could tell that's because you're from a close-knit community. But your community has a number one and number two overall pick. So we can't downplay it like Ronnie Brown isn't also.

• 8:20Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 8:20Ryan Clark?

  But you know, isn't also from there. But with all of the attention that has been heaped on you since starting in the fifth game of your freshman year, you've managed to stay even keel and remain yourself. What did Cartersville provide for you to be able to keep that level of humility through all of the bright lights?

• 8:42Speaker 06

  My family for one. I think it didn't matter where I grew up. My family has always instilled in me humility. I think that's been something that I've always come back to. And then, you know, I found my faith, you know, early on my freshman year of college. And that alongside it, because my, my, my family has a big faith background. My parents, very strong believers. So, but when I found it for myself, I think all of that kind of coincided with, you know, that's that humility aspect. That's how you treat people. And I always believed treat people how you want to be treated. And I think it doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter if, you know, now like if you're, if you're my teammate, if you work here, if you do whatever, if I just met you outside of the stadium on the street, like I try to treat, treat everybody the same. But that goes along with coming from a small town where everybody knows everybody, you know.

• 9:26Speaker 06

  Think that's kind of, that was also ingrained with me. So I think everything worked together. And then obviously Clemson, Clemson's not a very big town either. I mean, y'all, y'all have all probably been there, seen it. Not a ton going on there. And the same thing is, I think, you know, like I said, my faith is important in my life. As I really do believe God orchestrated my steps and put me in the right positions. And Clemson and Coach Sweeney and the people I was surrounded with, met some of my best friends. I think I've always, not that it's always been my choice. I think I've been protected in the sense where I've always had the right people around me, even when I didn't know it. But looking back on my life, I'm like, man, I've been surrounded by good people. Like no one can do it on their own. And I think that's a testament to all those things. Long, long answer, but that's, that's what it is.

• 10:08Ryan Clark?

  And let's go back to Cartersville because RC brought up Ronnie Brown. And we actually drafted the same year to the Dolphins. He was a first round pick. I was a third round pick. So Ronnie, that's like my brother.

• 10:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:17Ryan Clark?

  So I did a little research in Cartersville. I'll lay the story up for you to tell. I could tell it if you would like me to, but there was a situation and you almost didn't make it to the game. What, what happened in that playoff?

• 10:29Speaker 06

  Ronnie told you this?

• 10:30Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 10:30Speaker 06

  Oh, man. Yeah, we had, I don't want to put him on blast on camera. No, I had a little stomach issue before. I can't remember, I guess it might have been a playoff game, but I remember, all I remember is, it was either in the playoffs or right before and we were, we were coming out about to go out of the locker room to go to the game and I was like, I gotta go to the bathroom real quick. And they would always, I had stomach problems, I still kinda do, but all in high school and college. They'd always keep like a Sprite, Sprite didn't work at all.

• 10:57Speaker 06

  So I go in the bathroom, they all leave, the locker room's empty and I'm, I'm in there, someone comes in there, "Hey, we're about to kickoff," so I get up, I sprint down the hill. We're receiving too, so we catch the kickoff, I put my helmet on and like run out there without even throwing a ball before the game. It was like, so that's exactly what he's talking about.

• 11:16Channing Crowder?

  And, and one other thing, they said a squirrel fell out the roof.

• 11:21Speaker 06

  Oh yeah.

• 11:22Channing Crowder?

  What are y'all doing in Carter's, the squirrels are falling out the roof?

• 11:25Speaker 06

  So we had, we always had this guy, um, his name's Coach Gross, he did a lot of our talks before the game. You know, like a little devotion type thing and then, but it was this little locker room under the stadium. So it wasn't our main locker room, it was where we'd come out of like the smoke, you know, before the game. And we're sitting in there and this squirrel just drops out of the ceiling and it's running around like everywhere and everyone's trying to kick in.

• 11:46Speaker 06

  So that was, yeah. I don't know how you got a hold of those two stories.

• 11:50Channing Crowder?

  Man, I got some more now.

• 11:50Speaker 06

  I forgot those even happened.

• 11:51Channing Crowder?

  We made some calls, man.

• 11:54Fred Taylor?

  Hey Trev, so you're, you're a middle child between Chase and Olivia. And much like in my house, my, my middle son, he was wide open. He, he's wild, uncontrollable, he just wants the attention somehow. And I was reading, much like Channing, trying to find some stuff for this. Your father Jeremy, he said you were either wide open or asleep. It was no in-between for you as you guys started to play the game. So back in Cartersville in your upbringing, can you define or can you take us through a few defining moments that prepared you for, you know, high school, college, and now as you sit here in the NFL?

• 12:31Speaker 06

  The way he described it, I was like, I was just a wild kid, which is funny now because I think my, my personality and my demeanor is way different, way calmer. Um, I think I've kind of been, I've had to do that as I've gotten older though. It's kind of just the spot I'm in. But I was wide open as a kid. I always loved sports and my, my family, uh, my uncles and my dad. So my dad never played, he played like youth football, but never played in high school or college or anything like that. But my uncles did and we were all super close and they're from, they're from Tennessee. So big Tennessee fans. So I've always had that like love for sports and so I could channel it and that was what, so that's what I did when I was a kid. Ever since I was four, I was wearing like a Tennessee helmet. I wanted to play football and all that. So like it just kind of kept, that's how, you know, my childhood started with sports and then just carried over.

• 13:15Ryan Clark?

  It's cool because Fred mentioned Chase and Olivia and there's, first off, you might be Cardinalsville's favorite son, but your brother's the dopest.

• 13:25Speaker 06

  That's what everybody said.

• 13:26Ryan Clark?

  Outfits.

• 13:27Speaker 06

  You know, the first one.

• 13:28Ryan Clark?

  Everything about him is, is really cool. You know, the thing that you guys partnered with, with TOPS when you came out of school. But you mentioned your faith earlier and we live in a world that as we move further away from the church, when you pronounce your faith, it's unfamiliar to people and sometimes it can be attacked. But you mentioned finding your faith for yourself as a freshman. Uh, and discovering things and hearing different things about Chase, he was one to always question. Can you talk a little bit about that relationship with him? But also how finding your faith for yourself is truly what's propelled you to really believe that God has ordered your steps?

• 14:09Speaker 06

  Yeah. So I mean, you guys obviously don't know my brother, but he's, he's a little different, but in the, in the best way. I mean, we're, if you heard both of us talk, we sound the exact same. Our, our demeanors are pretty similar and we're like best friends. So, but anything, everything else, we're completely different, like interests, you know, size, all those things. We look completely different. Um, but we've always been super close, especially since I kind of got to middle school, high school. Cause he's, he's four and a half years older than me. So until then it was like, he's a lot older. He's doing his thing. And then when I got a little older, we kind of got really close and he's always been the guy. He questions everything. He's kind of a rebel, all that stuff. And to have him in my life, it really did influence me in a lot of ways before I even knew it growing up. And then when it became.

• 14:52Speaker 06

  You know, in that season where my brother really became strong in his faith. And like I said, when I found him my freshman year and he, you know, was discovering things. A few years before that, he had a huge voice in my life because there's certain people I'm sure you guys know, like in religion or whatever that you talk to and it's like, you know, you almost feel like you can't get a straight answer on certain things because you don't know if they've asked those questions themselves. And but my brother, along with other people in my life, I know that he has. So I could ask him about anything. We could talk about anything and we just have had so many good conversations. And he's been a huge pillar in my life for, you know, my faith, but also just as a person. So my brother doesn't, my brother doesn't give a damn about football at all. Like he could care less. Like he'll come to a couple of games a year.

• 15:35Speaker 06

  He'll watch, he'll only watch it if I'm on, like he doesn't watch any football games. He doesn't even watch the Super Bowl. So tell I'm in it. So he probably won't. I don't even know if he's watched one before. So it's like he's been such a steady voice in my life because of who he is.

• 15:48Ryan Clark?

  What about the Monk picture though, bro?

• 15:49Speaker 06

  The Monk. So y'all seen that?

• 15:51Ryan Clark?

  Y'all seen it?

• 15:52Speaker 06

  So they painted us like a skull. I was actually holding a grapefruit. And because I was, I guess I was in, I don't know if I was in high school or college, but he'd have me, because my brother's an artist, so he'd have me like stand in if he needed something and he'd paint it. If you look at me, it looks just like my face. It's crazy. So he's, him and his wife Brooke, they're, they're awesome. Super talented, but it's always fun. I love how, I love how different we are. I think that's honestly what's connected us more than anything because, I mean, you guys know when what we do, sometimes you just need to, you need to be around people that don't really care. And that's always been my brother. So it's been great.

• 16:23Channing Crowder?

  And speaking of your faith, bro, when I played there at chapel, the Sunday morning chapels and all that, and the chaplain, what's the guy's name that does chapel? The preacher? The chaplain?

• 16:32Ryan Clark?

  His name is the chaplain.

• 16:33Channing Crowder?

  So this gets right to my point.

• 16:35Ryan Clark?

  That tells you how many times you went.

• 16:36Channing Crowder?

  Never went. And he came up to me one day. He was like, hey Crowder, what happened Sunday morning? I said, Saturday night happened Sunday morning, bro. I'm not getting up this early to come talk to you. But that gets me to my point about, you always speak about your faith. And I've heard you in another interview, the different thing you talk about your faith. You're in locker rooms with people like me that aren't that way. Like, how, do you, is there a balance where, you know what I'm saying? You don't want to be preachy to your teammates, but you also want to be a good influence on others?

• 17:02Speaker 06

  Exactly what you said. I mean, I think, I think being a good influence on others is not, it's not always about saying the right things. Like, that's one thing I've tried to do in my life, is carry myself a certain way where we can believe something totally different. Like, that's, that's who I am, that's a huge part, the main part of who I am. So I'm not, I'm never gonna hide that. Like, that has influenced every step of my journey, whether I knew it or not, to this point. So, I can't hide from that either. But I'm not, I'm never gonna be the guy that pushes anything on anyone. I wanna, I wanna be a guy that has genuine relationships with everybody. And I think through time, people see the way you live, they see different things about you, different characteristics, and they wonder, what is it? Like, the same thing, like, you guys asked me, you told me about, you know, my faith and humility and stuff.

• 17:45Speaker 06

  And I think some of those things can't help but come to the surface through time. And that's kind of been my approach to faith in the locker room, when you, when you have a lot of guys that don't necessarily believe what you believe. And I just, like I said, I'll, same thing though, I try to treat people the same, no matter who they are, no matter what they believe. Guys that might believe the exact same thing as me, and we'll go, we'll do a small group, we'll do Bible study, go to chapel, whatever it is, and that's great. But I don't, you know, I don't see them or feel any different about them than I do about the guy who could care less about it. You know, I'm gonna treat them the same. So I think that's where, I've always tried to keep that stance, because I think it matters how you treat people. And I think if there's a time where that comes, and that person wants to know why I am the way I am, then I'm an open book, then come talk to me, and we can have that conversation.

• 18:29Speaker 06

  And I think that's where the door's kind of just always left open, that's how I view it.

• 18:33Channing Crowder?

  If I played with you, and you saw me in the steam room trying to sweat out the Hennessy, Wednesday morning, I got, I got the, I smell like a stripper, I got glitter on my chest too, would you say something to me? What would be your approach to me playing linebacker for the Jags, and you saw me in that situation?

• 18:49Speaker 06

  And I knew, I knew what was going on.

• 18:52Channing Crowder?

  You, you knew it.

• 18:53Speaker 06

  I would just be like, you have a good night last night? Sit down next to you and just hear, hear what you were up to last night.

• 19:00Channing Crowder?

  And that, that already makes you feel accountable. Because once he walks in, you're already thinking like, golly.

• 19:06Fred Taylor?

  Come true.

• 19:07Channing Crowder?

  You know what I mean, right? You sit up straight.

• 19:09Fred Taylor?

  But even you, you're still.

• 19:10Channing Crowder?

  Smell like that Henny though. You're like, he got me. I feel accountable.

• 19:13Ryan Clark?

  Steam will pull it out of you.

• 19:14Channing Crowder?

  I'm accountable.

• 19:15Fred Taylor?

  But it's some people you feel like you let down, right?

• 19:19Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 19:19Fred Taylor?

  You have to feel that way.

• 19:21Channing Crowder?

  I've said that before.

• 19:22Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 19:22Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 19:23Fred Taylor?

  Even yourself.

• 19:24Channing Crowder?

  In my older life.

• 19:25Speaker 06

  When you look back at those certain people, do you think that's a good or bad thing?

• 19:28Channing Crowder?

  At the time, at 21 years old, they pissed me off. Like, leave me alone, bro. You do your job. And actually, the dude that was preaching to me wasn't even a starter. Get out of my face, sorry guy. I have a job you don't. You know what I'm saying? At that point, now I look back, we talked about it before, when now I look back and I do have some regrets of, I had a, I had a pretty good career. What could have been if I wasn't partying, hanging out? Or if I, you know, if I was more faithful and, you know, stuck to it. And I think about that. I still party now, Trev, let's not lie. You know, I'm not just the perfect guy now, but I do look back and, I would say, I don't like the word regret, but I do look back and say, damn, what could I, what could I have been if I wasn't running the streets like that?

• 20:04Fred Taylor?

  Hey Trev, you say it matters how you treat people. So you have I-285 from Cartisville to Athens goes that way. And then you have I-85 from Cartisville to Clemson, South Carolina goes that way. You said it matters how you treat people. And your decision during the recruiting process, obviously you chose Clemson. Was it really that much of a, a, a difference in how they treated you guys down there during the recruitment process?

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, the position I was in, I was a big recruit, so I was treated well, but I, I think the...

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• 21:08Speaker 06

  You know, the underlying, the beliefs, the way the two programs kinda went about their business, the way they carried themselves, I think they were a little bit different. You know, I had a great relationship with Coach Smart. I actually just saw him two weeks ago in the Bahamas, like ran into him, we caught up and, you know, I hadn't talked to him since high school, but had a great relationship with him and with Coach Sweeney. What it came down to for me was just the people, the rest of the people, everybody. All in all, I felt like at the time, and who knows, Georgia's obviously built something special, so it's, it's, it's worked for him, but I felt like at the time to go with who I am and the way I kinda wanted my career to go and especially the people I wanted to surround myself with, I felt like Clemson was the right place for me. And it's interesting you ask, cause I think that that goes back into my faith journey as well.

• 21:52Speaker 06

  I think God kinda, he kinda orchestrated my steps before I knew it, cause when I was deciding, you know, I felt really good about both schools and I just felt something about Clemson, but I really couldn't put my finger on it. Like I didn't know what it was, I was like, I just feel drawn to this place for some reason. And I kinda went back and forth, went on a couple more visits to each of them and then it's like, alright, I'm choosing Clemson, I'm going with it. And looking back now and the friends that I have in my life, the influential people that I've met that have just really helped me become who I am, it's cool looking back on like what could have been if I went to Georgia, like how would that have been different? How would I be different? Like I, I don't know the answer to that question, but I think it's cool to see how that was all kinda orchestrated.

• 22:32Fred Taylor?

  I think I know a bit of the answer. It's, um, the answer is Deshaun Watson. From high school, you pretty much, you broke all of his high school passing yards as he played in Gainesville, Georgia, right?

• 22:44Speaker 06

  Gainesville, that's right.

• 22:45Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, and then when you went over to Clemson, you, all of the, the marks there as well. When the last time you seen Deshaun? Have you seen him in a while?

• 22:52Speaker 06

  We, we played the Browns in the preseason, so that was the last time I saw him.

• 22:54Fred Taylor?

  Right. Did he tell you, stop following me? Even to the AFC South, you're breaking my records, you broke my records in school. You guys have a lot in common on the field.

• 23:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I would always, I would always pass that Gainesville exit from Cartersville to Clemson every time I'd go back and forth from, you know, home, back to school. But yeah, he's always, he's always shown a lot of love. He's never been any of that, you know. That's just not kind of how he carries himself. But it's, uh, nah, he's definitely, we've had very similar journeys. And his was similar too. Like, I think he was recruited by Georgia, obviously, too, and decided to go to Clemson. And so we've heard, heard that a lot, so.

• 23:31Ryan Clark?

  The story starts, Miller Forrestal.

• 23:33Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:34Ryan Clark?

  Miller, good old Miller, junior year. It's my, it's Miller's time. He's getting recruited. He starts for four games. We're gonna change the offense and Trevor Lawrence is gonna become the starter, right? We're gonna go 52 and 2. We're gonna win 41 in a row. We're gonna go back to back. Trevor Lawrence is gonna go to Clemson. Kelly Bryant, college football playoff, 12 and 2. He got four games, too. And Trevor Lawrence, again, is now the new starting quarterback of the Clemson Tigers as a freshman. That all leads you, bro, to the national championship against Alabama. Nick Saban is on the other side. And as an LSU guy, I'm gonna be honest, when it gets to that point in the year, as much as I hate

• 24:15Ryan Clark?

  Alabama, you root for everybody SEC because you at least want to say that you would have won the championship if you weren't SEC West. And you absolutely destroyed. You know, everyone knew about you before that moment, being the recruit you were. I think it said, like, number six rated of all time. But that was the coming out party where you solidified yourself and showed the world exactly who you were and who you could grow to be. What was that moment like for you?

• 24:43Speaker 06

  It was crazy. I mean, it really was. My whole freshman year was just, it was a blur. Like I, like I said, we came into camp and, well, really spring ball, because I came in early. I'm competing and there was, there was Kelly, there was Hunter Johnson, Chase Bryce, a couple guys ahead of me that were big recruits. Obviously, Kelly was a starter, took him to the playoffs the year before, all those things. Odds are kind of stacked against me at that point. But I'm just trying to come in and, at that point, you can kind of play free because I'm the freshman that's here early and in spring ball. So I'm just ripping it. And then that kind of... Obviously caught some eyes of the different, some of the receivers, the coaches, all those guys. And then we get to camp and we're competing, going back and forth. Felt like I had a good camp. I'm like, I'm kind of closing the gap now. And then he was still the starter though, you know, it was too tight, really. It wasn't like they were going to let the freshmen just

• 25:28Speaker 06

  take it off of camp. So, you know, going into the season, all that happens. And then, so I came in the Georgia Tech game, and I think threw three or four touchdowns, we ended up beating them pretty good. And then they named me the starter the next week. And first quarter, I get knocked out against Syracuse, actually. So we were, we were 4-0, that was the fifth game, getting knocked out. We almost lose that game. So that's our, now our third string quarterback, Chase Bryce, all on his shoulders to go win the game in the second half. And we're losing by, I think, 14. We ended up winning the game. And looking back, what's crazy is, we ended up going undefeated, but Syracuse only lost one ACC game. So if they would have beat us, we wouldn't have even gone to the national championship. So we wouldn't even have gone to the playoffs, because they would have won the ACC. So,

• 26:09Speaker 06

  that's just a little side note. But it's a crazy year. I was, I was fortunate to be surrounded with, honestly, one of the best college football teams of all time. In my opinion, it's a hot take, you guys probably got other opinions, but we had Christian Wilkins, A.J. Terrell, Cleland Farrell, Austin Bryant, Dexter Lawrence, myself, Justin Ross, T. Higgins, Travis, Hunter Remfro, and so on and so on. Trayvon Mullen at corner.

• 26:36Ryan Clark?

  At the time, I didn't necessarily realize that. You naming it, bro, that's crazy.

• 26:41Speaker 06

  It's crazy. Trayvon Mullen, who's a corner.

• 26:42Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 06

  So we had Kevon Wallace, who plays for the Eagles now. We were, we were loaded. And I didn't even know it either. I came in, I'm like, I mean, obviously Clemson's good. We'd been in the hunt the, the years before I got there. And then coming in, I was like, all right, I mean, you don't know what you don't know. So I'm like, all right, this is like, I guess it's a normal team. And then, just to see, like I said, I was fortunate to be on a great team. And it's crazy. The year was nuts. I mean, the year we had, and just the way we ended up playing those last two playoff, playoff games, I mean, crushed Notre Dame and Alabama to win it. It's like, pretty, pretty historic. And then, you learn quick over time how special that team was. We all come back and all these guys are gone. I'm like, damn, we lost a lot of guys. We lost a lot of guys. But we figured it out still. But no, it was, it was a special year.

• 27:27Channing Crowder?

  And at every level, because Archie just said it, you just go and take people's jobs. Really, it's what you did. High school, take people's job, college. You had to go to a whole different team. When it, when it take people's job and got to the league, you weren't on the bench that long. You still have friends, you named them all. Like, I'm sure you're still buddies with the guys who took their job. What's the difference in taking guys' jobs at a different level?

• 27:47Speaker 06

  It's different on this level, especially because it's a, it's a real job. Like, it's not a, it's not just a, like you say, job, but here it really is. Like, that's what, you know, that's people's, that's how they're making a living. So I think it's a little different on this level, but I also think that as you get older, in my experience, especially when you're with more mature people, they understand. Like, we're all trying to do the same thing. No matter, even now, like, whether it's me, CJ, and Nate, those are the three guys we got now. There's a certain way to go about it in the quarterback room, because it is a different position. Like, you can't, you know, you don't want to step on anyone's toes, but we all are under the same understanding of, I'm gonna play the best I can, I hope I get an opportunity. I don't want anything bad to happen, I don't wanna, you know, hopefully, the season goes great, I play great, but I know that CJ's gonna be ready,

• 28:32Speaker 06

  because he's working his tail off for that opportunity, you know, and whatever it is. I mean, obviously, he wishes the best for me, but there's that aspect of everyone's ready for their shot, and when they, and when they get it, like, they're gonna take it and run with it. So I think that's an understanding, but when you're coming in as a rookie, and especially when you're a first-round pick, and you're coming to a place who, you know, he's a quarterback, and this is, like, you're expected to take the job, and the guy that's here, who, Gardner, I mean, Gardner played great here, is a good player. So, coming into that, into that situation, it's a little different, you know, you kinda, and that's where I, I'm just gonna go to work, I'm not gonna worry about anything. I'm not gonna step on his toes, though, because I hadn't earned anything yet. So I'd, and I think our staff did a good job of kinda working me into the fold, but it's definitely,

• 29:13Speaker 06

  that's always an awkward few months. Every place, Cartersville, Clemson, and here, those first few months, when you're, when you're trying to prove yourself, but you're also trying to do it the right way. Because you still want to have a relationship with the guy. But I will say when I took Miller's job in high school, I actually helped him out. Now he's playing tight end with the Browns right now. But he played quarterback, had a couple of small school offers. I came in as a freshman and he got moved to tight end. And then he ended up going to Alabama playing tight end. So I think it worked out all right for him. You're welcome. He might be the one that I helped out in that situation.

• 29:45Fred Taylor?

  But you had a lot, like tremendous expectations on every level. You know, even in high school, they expected you to go up there and be great. College, when you got there, and obviously being selected number one overall here in Jacksonville. How were you able to manage those expectations? And with that, what type of struggles did you have early on in the transition from college to the pros?

• 30:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was definitely tough going from, because going into Clemson, obviously there were some expectations. But you know, you're a young player, you come in, you know, they already had Kelly, it's a successful program. So there's only so much pressure on you, especially when you're stepping into a team that you know is going to be a really good team. And I think, so that's different, you know, that transition. And then coming here is a whole nother set of expectations. Because now, you know, you're supposed to be the face of the franchise, you're the first pick. You're supposed to start day one and you're supposed to completely flip around the results, that end of it from the year before. And that's kind of the expectation, you know? So that was tough coming here and you feel the weight of that, but still trying to like channel it the right way

• 30:54Speaker 06

  and trying to just carry yourself like it's not there is tough sometimes, especially during the season when I'm not playing well, when our team's not playing well, we're not very good, we're, what were we, 2 and 14 going into the last game? It's like, it gets tougher throughout the season when those just keep piling on you. But yeah, it's definitely tough to manage those. It's been, it's been a journey. It's helped, it's helped me a lot now, having some success though, that I went through that in my rookie year. Because I think that's, I've never had to go through anything like that. I've always been on good teams, I've always been, you know, I haven't had any issues. I've always been successful, I've, you know, played great. And then you get here and. It's a different story, you know?

• 31:34Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, and it is a different story, especially in year two. We don't even want to talk about year one. But Coach Peterson, you know, former quarterback, former NFL quarterback, how has he helped your transition and development into your success last year?

• 31:49Speaker 06

  He's been such a steady voice for me, just, I mean, we, I've always talked about this story. We lost five games in a row last year by one score less, just all in a row. And that was when, I think, we started two and one. We lost the first game of the year, won two in a row, two pretty impressive wins. We thought, I, I thought we were over the hump, we're, we're gonna start rolling. Then we lost five straight, one score. And every week, it didn't matter, even after that fifth one, he was the same every day. Every meeting, after the game, Monday morning, whatever it was, he never changed. And I think that's, that's what helped us propel past that and end up finishing the season so strong is because we look at our leader and he's not changing, so why would we? And, you know, he's kind of, and he's seen it all, he's had success.

• 32:33Speaker 06

  You know, he's had rough years as well. And for him just to be the same every day, I think that's something that I admire and that's how I try to carry myself. So to see that from him, it makes it even easier for me to carry myself that way.

• 32:45Ryan Clark?

  You mentioned having a ton of success, whether it be at Cartersville or Clemson. In the first year with how you guys fared, you're a Tennessee fan. Peyton Manning's your favorite quarterback, it's why you wear 16. He was, I think, 26 TDs, 28 picks his first year. I think you were 12 and 17. And next year, he flipped it around a little bit, not as much as you did, but the team was better, much like yours. And, and speaking about the troubles you had in year one, you just told us about the troubles in year two. And you have a close-knit relationship with Zay and Christian. And there was a meeting, you guys were hanging out and kind of going through the record that we were four and eight, here's how we had to go. Can you tell me a little bit about the conversations you three had

• 33:30Ryan Clark?

  that you felt like you could still get to the playoffs, but knew you couldn't lose any more games?

• 33:36Speaker 06

  You never want to look ahead, but when you're sitting at four and eight, and like I said too, you've lost so many close games, you know you're a good team and you're just not quite winning those games. You're sitting there four and eight, you know what you have to do to kind of finish. So we're looking at the schedule, we're like, alright, this is what we got left. I think we had Tennessee, Dallas, New York, Houston, Tennessee. That was our last five games. I'm like, alright. We got Tennessee in Tennessee. We've, you know, hadn't been beating them lately, but we gotta win that game. We got Dallas, who Dallas is a good team, them at home. So we end up looking at all, I'm like, we gotta win all these games, but we really can. Like, there was nobody we were scared to play, because we, I mean, we've played all these teams. We, I mean, we played the Eagles early in the year. I had five turnovers and we still lost by one score.

• 34:21Speaker 06

  It's like, we've seen what we're capable of, we just gotta put it all together. And we had that conversation one night, it was after the Detroit game, right after it. We got, we landed, Christian lives in my neighborhood, went over to his house, hanging out. Zay came over, and we were just talking about like, look, we gotta, we gotta do something. We're sitting here 4-8, this is not what any of us expected. We gotta flip this thing around. And that was kind of what started it. And then, but everyone in here felt that way. You know, we're talking about three guys, but it takes more than, it takes a lot more than three guys to do it. So, that kind of carried over to everybody.

• 34:53Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I mean, the play I remember so much about that run was Jinx touchdown. The ball bounces, playing the Cowboys, ball bounces off the receiver in overtime, pick six, and like, it feels like those plays start to happen for you, and those things have to get rolling to get on a streak like that. You know, you have that streak, you win the AFC South, and you're pretty much going up against like, your physical doppelganger in Justin Herbert. You know what I mean? Both tall guys can throw it through a pinhole, but that game's not necessarily going like you want it to go. And you mentioned everybody in here having to be together. But in your letter to Jacksonville, you said, "It's 27-0, I've thrown the ball to the other

• 35:37Ryan Clark?

  team and no one left. No one quit on us." Talk a little bit about that experience of you win five straight, you put yourself in this position, and you're down 27-0, largely because of things you were doing, but still having that support from the Jacksonville fans.

• 35:56Speaker 06

  It was huge. I think the whole transition to see how, like, the belief went from... Went from like our staff to start with down to the team throughout the season and then slowly into like the city as a whole and into the stadium and the fanbase. And I think, you know, we'd had so many games with that point, like you said, Dallas, Tennessee, Baltimore, all three of those games at home to finish the year where we sitting there and it's not looking like we got a good shot to win the game, we somehow find a way to win, whatever it is, it's every scenario was different. So the the fans had seen that and to see them see that and then come into a playoff game we're down by four scores and still believe, that's what everybody says, I see people, you know, when I'm out, whatever, at dinner, whatever it may be, and they're like, man,

• 36:40Speaker 06

  we, everybody says the same thing, we knew y'all were gonna win, which everybody probably says that when you win, if we if we lost, maybe it wouldn't have been the same way, but I believe it though, because that's like, our stadium was still full, and I think having that support from them and also from the guys in here when you're not playing well, like you can feel when you're on certain teams, when you're not playing well, you feel the guys looking at you and you know you gotta change something and that was never like that here, all the guys are like, we're good, you know, we know you're gonna get it back. So it's like, when you have that belief, that's what it takes, and then like you said, the ball has to bounce your way too sometimes, and that's and even Coach Peterson talks about that, when we were on our run, he's like, the ball didn't bounce our way some of these other games, it's gonna have to in some of these, we're gonna have to play great, obviously, but sometimes it takes some of those things to propel you and it

• 37:24Speaker 06

  did, and you know, here we are.

• 37:26Fred Taylor?

  But in those moments of adversity, like where does your mindset go?

• 37:30Speaker 06

  Just flat line, like I don't think of any different whether we're, whether I've thrown four touchdowns or thrown four picks, there's definitely a more, a bigger sense of urgency, and I think my intensity goes up a little bit when I'm not playing well, just because I feel that, like I hate that feeling of, nobody ever wants to be the guy that you're the reason why the team didn't win a game or whatever it is, and not that The guys look at it that way, but that's kinda how it was in that game. So I knew I had to flip a switch, but I told the guys on the sideline, you can't, we can't score 27 points on one play. So it's gonna take play after play. I said, just get, let's get one here. Let's go get one, and we did before halftime. We got one back. And from there, it was like, alright, 27-7.

• 38:16Speaker 06

  And sitting in here, I mean, it was crazy how calm everyone was. Down three scores in a, you know, in a wild card game. But I think that's, that's what's helped me is one play at a time. But the same mentality is, helps me keep playing well is what helps me bounce back when I'm not playing well. It's just focus on one play, don't get too far ahead.

• 38:33Channing Crowder?

  Something had to change, Trevor.

• 38:36Speaker 06

  Well, hey.

• 38:36Channing Crowder?

  At the halftime, something changed, bro. I love all this cute shit, everybody was together. Something changed when you came out of half.

• 38:42Speaker 06

  Also, if you go through all the turnovers that we had, it was mostly, obviously, the turnovers. And then the crazy, they had a punt also into our territory that bounced off of, I guess, one of our, like, I don't know if it was one of our gunners or who it was. That was with a protector there, bounced off his head. So then they got the ball inside the 10, too. So really, we had five turnovers in the first half.

• 39:04Speaker 06

  So, but you look at the picks, it was like a fourth down, we went for it. Contested play, guy get the ball in your hand, I'm about to get sacked, fourth down, throw it. Alright, one, one time, Asante fooled me, covered two, picked off our shallow route. That one, he got me. The other one, I mean, it was a contested play. It was just kept like back to back. I wasn't gonna keep ripping it, because that's the thing, is like, I'm not gonna, if I throw a pick, if I change how I play, we got no chance. You know, if I try to shell up and just check it down, whatever, obviously, there's a time. But it's like, if I do that, we don't have a chance. So I'm just gonna keep firing it. And then ball started to not bounce their way in the second half, and we started getting hot. And we got that confidence. And then we also started to play fast on offense. And we started jumping to no huddle. And we had them on their heels, and I think.

• 39:47Speaker 06

  It's tough being in their position where you got a 27-point playoff lead and then it gets down to, alright, now it's a 17-point lead, now it's a 10-point lead, and they see it creeping down, and then you get them on their heels, and now you feel like, even though you're down by two scores, you kind of have the advantage, and that's where it started to flip in the second half, but.

• 40:06Ryan Clark?

  You know, the next week, you play Patrick Mahomes, and I said this on air, Patrick Mahomes is kind of like Michael Jordan. When you look at the AFC, you know, recently released, they did like a valuation or a survey, and top 10 quarterbacks, seven of them are in the AFC. You're in there as well, but when Michael Jordan played, there were all of these good players, all pros, all NBA guys, all-stars, and they just couldn't get to a championship because he was in their division, or in their conference. For you, Patrick Mahomes said it on the show that's on Netflix, that, nah, like, dude's gonna win some Super Bowls. And

• 40:47Ryan Clark?

  even just talking to his coaches about how good of a player you are, how talented of a quarterback you are. Deontay Thompson, who was in this locker room last year, he's like, "Yeah, man," he's like, "When I first got there, I didn't know," he's like, "But when you watch him," he's like, "He's an absolute star." And he's an Alabama guy, so he probably was hating on you a little bit initially. When you start to hear some of these things, and people, I guess, they've always projected you to be a certain thing, but now that they're starting to come to fruition, how excited does that get you for not only your future, but the future of the Jacksonville Jaguars?

• 41:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, like, there's some good quarterbacks in the AFC for sure, and if you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. I mean, that's how it's set up for us. Same thing, last year, we had our shot, and as we said after the game, we're gonna get our shot again, and when it comes, we just gotta be ready for it, and that's all you can control. But we gotta get back there, you know, you can't be looking at... Kansas City right now, we gotta get, we gotta get back to that point where we get another shot at them, the Cincinnatis, Buffalos, all those teams that have been, you know, in the hunt. But yeah, it makes me really excited, especially, especially knowing how I felt halfway through my rookie year and how I feel now and the confidence that I have and not, not really myself necessarily, that as well is super high, but in this group, in this staff and

• 42:06Speaker 06

  like the whole city, I think it's been cool to see how that's flipped because it's a totally different place than it was a couple of years ago. And I'm sure you've seen it go like this over however many years, you know, so you've seen all of it.

• 42:20Fred Taylor?

  100 years.

• 42:22Ryan Clark?

  Back when he was battling Frankel Harris.

• 42:24Fred Taylor?

  Yeah. Watch out, man. No, but it is the excitement, you can feel it. Even I was upstairs in the building during the game, you can feel it, you can feel the fans, especially when we struck before half and then it kind of evolved into that comeback. It was amazing atmosphere. But you talk about excitement, you got your tight end locked in for another three years. So he tweeted, "I'm home." But you also have a new addition in Calvin Ridley. How excited are you about that weapon?

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• 43:22Speaker 06

  Can't wait. I mean, he, me and him are equally as excited to play together because he's obviously hadn't played, he hadn't been on the field in forever. So just seeing him. How he's worked, I think that makes me more excited than anything. Like, he is so ready to go. Like, he's been here. Every time I need something, he's like, "We throwing? Like, we ready? Like, let's go." And I'm like, "All right, I need a couple of weeks. So, let me get settled in this offseason, then we'll start working," you know? But he's just chomping at the bit to go. And to see that, and to see how he's fit in with our other receivers, it's been so seamless. Like, him, Christian, Zay, all those guys, Ag, they're just taking care of each other. And I'm excited for our group. It's gonna be, it's gonna be a fun year. And he looks good. He's a freak. I mean, I can't wait. And then, obviously, Evan, that's my guy. And these pieces are starting to solidify.

• 44:06Speaker 06

  And, you know, you need a, you need a good crew around you if we want to go the distance. And I think we're, we're putting it together, so.

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• 45:12Channing Crowder?

  We all play with the receivers and the tight ends. They are, they're prima donnas, and they want the ball. They're, really, their numbers, their success, their money's driven off numbers. How do you deal with the guy being like, "Damn, Trell, I was open, I was open first down, I was open third down."

• 45:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, you hear, you hear a lot of stuff on the huddle. Not, not as much with those guys, I will say. Not even just saying that because I'm on camera and I play with them right now. But it's really not, there are times, like, of course. And that's what makes, that's part, I mean you guys know, that's part of what makes certain players great is that they want, they're selfish in that way, but it's not always a bad thing. So I think it's, you know your guys, you know how to talk to them, you know how to like, level them out at certain times, you know how to calm them down. But really, we don't have a ton of that. I mean, I think guys understand, especially, and a big thing too is depending on who your guys are, when you're winning, that, that solves a lot of that too, or it should. You know, there's always gonna be a couple guys that have some complaints, but our guys have been great. And when you're winning, that, that smoothes over a lot of stuff. When you're losing and guys aren't getting the ball, that's a double whammy and you're,

• 46:10Speaker 06

  you better figure it out. So, uh, yeah.

• 46:12Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, because if you complain and you're winning, like you're just actually a bad teammate.

• 46:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, what do you care about? You wanna win or do you want, you know?

• 46:19Fred Taylor?

  I don't see how many guys would have complained. What'd you have, three guys that had over 60 plus receptions last year or something?

• 46:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, we had, I mean, Christian, receptions, I'm not sure, but Christian had over a thousand, Zay was right at like 800, Evan was right around 800.

• 46:35Fred Taylor?

  I think they all, I think those three had 65 plus receptions apiece or something like that.

• 46:40Speaker 06

  Exactly. So the wealth gets spread, the, you know, from myself, but also the coaches do a great job of having, we got our certain things of, we know what guys do well, and we try to, cause we understand that's part of the game is, we gotta put guys in situations to be successful and we gotta maximize them, like we're gonna, we got all these guys, we're paying all this money, why are we gonna have a guy that, you know, we're, we're paying a lot that we only give them the ball once a game, like that doesn't help anybody else. So I think there's all of that. There's an understanding of that for sure.

• 47:05Ryan Clark?

  Understanding is a huge part of a team. It's also a huge part of marriage, right? Which you jumped into early, um,

• 47:14Speaker 06

  Marissa was in here, I was looking around.

• 47:15Ryan Clark?

  Oh my God. You know, the, the 2021 Sports Illustrated article did a lot of things and put you under heat for certain things, but I don't think people read it the right way. The first thing I realized is that you're not the most competitive person in your marriage.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 47:30Ryan Clark?

  Marissa is, I was just, when she would jump in the time and I was like, that's the real dog in the house. But you also said there though, that one of the biggest decisions in life is who you're gonna spend your life with. And to have found that at such an early age, why am I waiting? Right, that's what you're looking for. How important has she been throughout your journey? Because there's a level, there's like superstar football players, and then there's like Trevor Lawrence in high school. Then there's Trevor Lawrence in college. What you're becoming in the pros. And we all need some sort of rock or foundation, where if it's going bad, like, you don't care. If it's going good, you also don't care. You can keep me humble. What has that relationship meant for you?

• 48:12Speaker 06

  It's been huge, especially, like I said, of the ups and downs I've already had in my first two years. I think that's having that person that I've known. We met in fifth grade, so she's known me since before all the, before everything. We met in fifth grade, we didn't start dating in fifth grade necessarily, but, um, yeah. So, I mean, just having someone that's been there throughout every step of the way. Uh, that's something that's really special to me. And I'm fortunate that I found that person, especially that young, before everything, you know, got crazy, because it would be tough. I always say it'd be tough trying to find that person now. You know, it's, one, just on a trust level, but also just personality fit. Like, this life is a lot different than a lot of people's lives. And, you know, I think that's tough to find.

• 48:57Speaker 06

  And, but she's amazing. Just the support she's shown me, like you said, in the good and the bad. Uh, doesn't matter if I'm playing great, not playing great. And it makes the, it makes the lows easier, and it makes the highs even sweeter when you have the right person by you. Because that's what life's about, really, about the people that you do it with. You do, you're not gonna do anything great by yourself. And to have her and to have true friends around me, that's what makes being successful fun, is when you have those, those people. And she's obviously one of them, so.

• 49:27Ryan Clark?

  And, bro, I, I love love. Here he goes.

• 49:31Speaker 06

  I'm embracing myself.

• 49:34Channing Crowder?

  Do you, do you, I don't wanna say no regrets or anything like that, I said I hate that word earlier. Do you ever think about that you missed out on a life that could have been fucking wild because you're the starting quarterback of the Jaguars if you were running?

• 49:47Speaker 06

  I mean, I don't think about, I don't think about it in that way. I've thought about it. I've, I mean, it'd be crazy not to thought about what life would look like if I wasn't married, especially young. I don't feel like I missed out because I see, I have, I have obviously a lot of friends that live that life and when you really see, you get an inside look on it, I don't, that's not really what I want. You know, I think maybe at some points you're like, dang, you know, I married young and, you know, but I honestly don't really, don't really miss any of that. I think in the position I'm in now, it's like, there's also only so much I can do. I mean, there's always a camera in my face, there's always a phone in my face. So it's like, that's a whole nother thing, but I think just

• 50:27Speaker 06

  the, the value that I have in, in Marissa and I see in her and what she provides for, for us and our family and all those things is way outweighs what I think could have maybe been in another life of something else, you know, so I don't, I really don't miss it. I know that's like a said cookie cutter answer, but it really like, that's, that's really how I feel and I think it also helps like, in college, we spent some time apart too. We kind of went our own ways and figured stuff out and that's kind of when, that's part of the journey of me, you know, my relationship with God and how that kind of started and then we reconnected and then we really did the thing. We got serious and then got married a couple of years later, but um,

• 51:06Speaker 06

  yeah, I mean, like I said, I've seen, I've seen guys that are in that position and, and it's funny because guys talk to me, not everybody's this way, but a lot of guys are like, man, I wish I had what you had. And you see them living the life that you're talking about and I'm sure there's great parts of it and they enjoy some of it, but a lot of the guys are like, I, you know, or at least at some point they're like, I want, I wanna find something like that because that's, you know, that's what I want. So I think that's, that's also put it into perspective for me as well.

• 51:32Channing Crowder?

  Did the knee ever really touch the ground in the proposal or not?

• 51:37Ryan Clark?

  Bro, it is not in the picture, bro.

• 51:39Speaker 06

  That was the first thing that, that came out when all that happened. And I was proposing, we were in the stadium and there's people already stopping like looking through the little like, whatever, cover up that we had and they're like taking pictures. I couldn't even get it, couldn't even get proposed without someone, get engaged without someone knowing, but it went down, it went down. I had a nice suit on, so I didn't go down for long, but it went down.

• 51:59Channing Crowder?

  You know, on June 13th, uh, 2020.

• 52:04Ryan Clark?

  You had an opportunity at a social justice rally, peaceful protest, and you had a chance to speak. It can be a very difficult place to speak for a white quarterback, who may not have experienced some of the things that his counterparts and teammates had experienced. And you quoted First Peter 4:8. "Above all, love one another earnestly, because love covers a multitude of sins." And I think that's a beautiful statement in what you were speaking about, but it also kind of is a microcosm of what a locker room is.

• 52:46Ryan Clark?

  How have you adjusted to leadership of adult men? Because you're still young, even though really talented. And there's a level of difference in people in here like no other place in the world. Right? When we were in high school, we were all 14 to 18. Life's pretty much the same. College, the same thing. There may be a young dude that's married like you, or a young dude that's running like Chan. You have to be able to communicate with him. You have to be able to lead him, get him to follow you when you're down 27-0. Or, as I was in my last three years, a guy who had won a Super Bowl already, who was a team captain, but who also had a family young. How have you adjusted to being able to live or lead

• 53:31Ryan Clark?

  and communicate, coexist with all of these players within this locker room?

• 53:35Speaker 06

  Man, I think the same approach I've had that's helped me is, you know, coming in, like we talked about, competing for a job, especially when you're a young guy, is like coming in, trying to take someone's job is, I've always kind of just taken the approach of, I'm gonna, I'm gonna prove myself. I'm not gonna say much. I'm gonna work, I'm gonna lead by example. From there, and I think, I think you have to, especially in what we do, is because no one's gonna listen to a guy what they don't know, like he hasn't proven himself yet. I don't think anyone's gonna follow that guy. So, I've always tried to do it that way. So I think it takes a little bit of time for that to come out, the leadership part of it, the vocal and the relationships with guys, is because I want to prove myself to you. I'm not gonna try to tell you what to do before you even know who I am, or you even have the respect for me. So, I've always tried to approach it that way, especially early on.

• 54:21Speaker 06

  And then from there, like I said, is treat everybody the same. I'm gonna treat... Whether it's Zay and Christian, I'm gonna treat him the same as Kevin, Austin, who's a practice squad guy. Like, I'm gonna treat him the exact, because I don't care. Like, I don't care what, necessarily what you do, or how important you are in this locker room. Like, I think when you treat people that way, people notice. And then that goes along with how you work, too. I think all those things, little things that, over time, people notice, people respect, and they'll follow you for that. And I, that's, I just always try to do it that way.

• 54:52Fred Taylor?

  Any special places here in Jacksonville you'd like to go and kind of duck off to?

• 54:57Ryan Clark?

  Now they gonna find him. He ain't gonna be special and ducks off, Fred. Hey, you watch the pivot? He be at the Waffle House.

• 55:05Fred Taylor?

  We know he be at the Waffle House. They respect you, and, and all they want is an autograph and a photo.

• 55:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, honestly, everybody here is, is great. Like, I was surprised at how, I honestly think at Clemson, which Clemson fans might not be happy to hear this, I think it was crazier there going out, just because it's such a, it's such a small town, and everyone, it's all football. Like, here, I think people are a little bit, actually more respectful of your space. They give us a little more space, so I'm not, not as concerned about that. But no, we go to, I mean, Hawkers is a good, you been to Hawkers down in, yeah, Hawkers is good. A B Kitchen's down there is really good.

• 55:38Fred Taylor?

  I like Little Spike calls, and, and Yeho.

• 55:41Speaker 06

  Oh, and Yeho's good. Bonavita?

• 55:43Fred Taylor?

  Bonavita.

• 55:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, I go to that one, too.

• 55:44Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, so. Foxy Lady?

• 55:46Ryan Clark?

  That's probably a strip club.

• 55:48Fred Taylor?

  Come on, man. I was just, I asked, we yelling out names. I can't yell my name? It was actually called the Silver Fox, but that's.

• 55:55Speaker 06

  Foxy Lady.

• 55:56Fred Taylor?

  I think they, uh, tore it down. Trev, uh, we always ask our, our guests, what's their biggest pivot?

• 56:02Speaker 06

  It's, I got a lot more life left to figure it out, but no, I think. Yeah, to this point, no, that's a good question. I think, uh, I'll do two different, like, in my career has been coming here and trying to navigate, um, kind of the position I'm in, and who I'm supposed to be with where I'm currently at, and how to figure out when the results don't come, like, who I, who am I? And I think that's something that I never really had to face. Until I got here because the results were always there. It's all it's easy to say I'm always the same person no matter what. Well, that's when things are always going well. So I think I got really challenged in that aspect. And that was a huge pivot in my life of where I I I proved it to myself that I'm the same every day.

• 56:47Speaker 06

  No matter if we're terrible or if we're great. And I think that was big in my life and that gives me a lot of confidence now moving forward. And then personal life, like I like I already talked about, like a broken record, but just my faith and that relationship I have with Jesus, like when I found out my freshman year. And figuring that part of my life out really has helped me. And like I said, the other pivot of coming here and having to figure out, you know, where my confidence is, like how how that's tested finally, like that coincides with my faith. Because we talked about even the Sports Illustrated thing. At the end of the day, I know that this is not the biggest thing in life. And of course, I want to be great. I want to be the best quarterback to play. I want to win a lot of Super Bowls.

• 57:32Speaker 06

  I want to do all those things. But at the end of the day, there really there's more to life. There's there's this isn't the only thing. It's a game like it's a game that we all have played, that we play and we all love it. And it's done a lot for us. But I think having that perspective has also shaped like the steps that I take and the way I interact with people and, you know, the decisions I make. I think all of that, it really goes together. So but more to come, more pivots to come, I'm sure. Yeah, for sure.

• 58:02Ryan Clark?

  The mural in Cartersville reads defeat the noise and rule the quiet. Whether it's at the Capri restaurant or it's on the field, you seem to have found a way to do that. And there's been a lot of noise around your life. And I'm sure sometimes in here it provides some quiet and also on the field. I've known you, I met you before your senior year at the opening and you have not changed. You know, you've always been the same, which is a compliment though, because you've had opportunities to to be a different person. And anybody who points to that 2021 Sports Illustrated.

• 58:42Ryan Clark?

  Article and doesn't read to the bottom is just a dummy. Because Coach King in high school asked you, what are your goals? And he said, he said the goals weren't win championships. It wasn't be the number one quarterback in the country. It wasn't throw for 3,902 yards, 161 touchdowns. It was to be the best to ever do it. And whatever your motivation is, bro, to do that, then let that be the motivation. What people say outside doesn't matter. Always been a fan, bro, since I met you before you seen me there.

• 59:12Speaker 06

  Appreciate you, brother.

• 59:13Ryan Clark?

  And I continue to grow as you continue to grow, bruh. And we appreciate you, man. Best of luck this year.

• 59:17Fred Taylor?

  Before we shut it down, because this is, this is my house, but you got the keys. This is your house. I just want to say, as RC was saying on behalf of the Pivot, myself, RC, Channing, Alicia, we appreciate you. I know we've been trying to put it together. We saw you at the Fanatics party. And you said, look, I got you. We're gonna make it happen. But also for the people in Jacksonville, because they DM'd the hell out of me. Get them on, get them on. When we gonna get a Jaguar? We like, we try, we gonna make it happen, right?

• 59:46Speaker 06

  Well, I told, I told you guys, because we thought about doing something maybe in the season.

• 59:49Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 59:50Speaker 06

  And I was like, that was when we were.

• 59:52Fred Taylor?

  It's tough.

• 59:52Speaker 06

  I was like, we gotta get this figured out. It's like, I gotta, I can't hop on, because you guys, I mean, I really respect how you guys do, because there's a lot of different ways you can do a show like this, podcast, all that stuff. But you guys talk about real stuff, which I appreciate. It's not just, it's not just cookie cutter, bland, you know? And I, I really appreciate, I've had a great time just chopping it up with you guys. And I wanted to be, I wanted to be in the right headspace, in the right place when we did it, because I knew it was gonna be a great conversation. And I don't want to speak on what I'm, football wise, what I'm gonna do before I actually did it. So I was like, I gotta get, let me get right before we, before we sit down and then, but no, it's been, it's been great.

• 1:00:30Ryan Clark?

  It was awesome, man.

• 1:00:32Speaker 06

  This is great.

• 1:00:32Ryan Clark?

  Absolutely, bro. Appreciate you, my boy.

• 1:00:33Speaker 06

  It's good.

• 1:00:36Ryan Clark?

  Man, appreciate you, my boy.

• 1:00:38Speaker 06

  It was awesome, man.

• 1:00:38Ryan Clark?

  That was great.

• 1:00:39Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 1:00:39Ryan Clark?

  My love.

• 1:00:40Speaker 06

  Yes, sir. Channing. Great to, great to actually sit down and talk for a little bit, you know? Yeah, it was fun.

• 1:01:12Speaker 07

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time. We go V.

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