Megan Fox: Burned at the Stake (FBF)

Join Alex in the studio for a sit-down interview with Megan Fox where nothing is off limits. Megan sets the record straight on some of the craziest rumors she’s heard about herself - like being in the Illuminati, performing Satanic rituals, and what plastic surgeries she’s had done. She talks about her childhood, dysfunctional family dynamic, and how she never really fit in at school. Megan gets real about feeling different from everyone else and how that often left her feeling lonely. She opens up about her complicated relationship with her body, when she first started to criticize it, and why she’s never felt like a “sex symbol.” Megan discusses all the ways she’s been hyper-sexualized and brutally bullied by the media throughout her career and why she’s nearing her breaking point. Finally, she discusses the toxic romantic relationships she’s had in her past and even gives insight into her current relationship with MGK. Daddy Gang, get ready to learn so much about Megan Fox and truly see a side of her you’ve never seen before… Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 3:14Alex Cooper?

  What is up Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

• 3:23Alex Cooper?

  Megan Fox, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:25Alex Cooper?

  I am so happy we are doing this tonight.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Same.

• 3:30Alex Cooper?

  And I say tonight, which is crazy, I have never done an interview this late in my life. It's 10 o'clock at night. Are you a night owl?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  No, but I find that interesting because you've interviewed so many rappers. And I refuse to believe that they showed up on time or in the daylight.

• 3:48Alex Cooper?

  Okay, Offset didn't show up on time, but it was the daylight. But no, I have never done a late night interview, but I do feel like it's kind of a vibe.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  You might end up loving it.

• 3:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, well, I was gonna say, guys, it's raining right now. There's thunderstorms in LA. We've got candles going. This makes sense for a Megan Fox episode. When you are like late night by yourself, your kids are asleep, what is your favorite thing to do at night usually?

• 4:13Speaker 01

  Well, I usually stay by the fire and I like to read and I read a lot of metaphysical books, but right now I'm reading whatever that new like adult version of Twilight book that's out. It's like a erotic fairy book.

• 4:27Alex Cooper?

  Wait, isn't it like the king of or the Thor?

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Court of thorns. Yeah, I'm reading that.

• 4:32Alex Cooper?

  Wait, does it like kind of make you horny?

• 4:34Speaker 01

  I haven't gotten to the horny part yet, but I know that I'm gonna get there because I've I know that he has like the ability to bind her energetically with magic and I'm already like I'm here for that.

• 4:46Alex Cooper?

  That'll that'll do it for you.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:48Alex Cooper?

  I remember my friend was reading it. She was like, Alex, I'm not kidding you. I keep waking my boyfriend up in the middle of the night because I'm like I'm reading about fairies, but something get me going. I'm like, I don't understand it. Maybe I need to read it.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  I'm not there yet, but I feel like you should and it's definitely a lot more interesting than most of the like psychological textbooks that I read by the fire at night.

• 5:10Alex Cooper?

  You're reading textbooks over there?

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Sometimes.

• 5:13Alex Cooper?

  You enjoy that?

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Can't say I enjoy it. I think that I do it out of I made like a really clear decision when I was young to avoid the pitfalls or like the traps of social media or just internet usage in general. And so I kind of go out of my way. And maybe it's annoying to be this way, but to counter that by attempting to educate myself. By the way, I didn't graduate high school. So I think a lot of that is just like pursuing things that I'm interested in and wanting to have as much information about it as possible. And trying to not become just like a a plebeian or like a mindless, brainwashed sheep.

• 5:53Alex Cooper?

  I think most of us today are mindless sheep because I feel that way. Sometimes when I'm on social media too much, I'm like what is happening up here? Like I I'm not, when is the last time I had an original thought? I'm mindlessly scrolling.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:07Alex Cooper?

  We gotta get it together.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Me anxiety like I have group chats with my friends and they'll send me links to things, but I don't keep like the Instagram app downloaded or anything like that, but Even just like if they send me a link to something on Twitter and I open the Twitter website, just the energy from the website gives me so much anxiety that I feel like I immediately contract like ADHD and I can feel how I'm not able, my thoughts are not able to sustain the same way. And that's just from being exposed to it for like five seconds.

• 6:38Alex Cooper?

  Thirty seconds. Megan's like, get me the fuck out of here.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  So I can't imagine like what it's doing to everyone, especially like younger kids that are starting so early with cell phones.

• 6:47Alex Cooper?

  It's actually terrifying. It's, it's like a drug.

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• 10:32Alex Cooper?

  Something I also noticed about you is you just announced kind of that you have like a whole new sleeve tattoo on Instagram.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:39Alex Cooper?

  What was the story behind that? Like, how did you decide to do that?

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Well, I, back when I dyed my hair from the Auburn colored red that it was to this color, it was like a bright red, during that metamorphosis, I decided, I had bought these weird, I became a victim of Timu.

• 10:59Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what?

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Do you know what that app is?

• 11:01Alex Cooper?

  Yes, only because of Super Bowl.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Someone introduced me to Timu and I was like, what, what is this, though? And I was victimized and I ordered a bunch of, um, like, stick-on tattoos and like fun things to do with my kids. And some of them were fake sleeves because I was like, oh, my kids will love to do this. And I did it on me and I was like, wow, I love it. And I instantly made an appointment to get my arm done. And I started it, but the artist I was working with had a different vision than what I wanted. And so we got halfway up my arm, Dust in the Wind was playing and just that line repeating over and over again, nothing lasts forever, but the earth and sea and your tattoos that you get, uh, kept playing. And I was like, okay, I have to stop because this isn't my vision. It wasn't

• 11:48Speaker 01

  a bad tattoo, it just wasn't what I wanted.

• 11:50Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  So we stopped with half the tattoo. I kept that for like six months. And then I found an artist to cover it. Most people would say I'm grounded, but I'm also very impulsive. Like, when I decide to do something, it must be done right then. I can't decide it and then do it months from now. Or I'm not, I can't plan far into the future. It has to happen instantly. And so, once I found the cover artist, I was like, we have to get it done. And we just did it four days in a row. It was like six hours a day. They won't tattoo you usually past six hours in one sitting, because your, your skin starts rejecting the ink. So I just did it four days in a row and sleeved it. And then it healed. Very weird, it like, didn't even peel. It was very weird. It just healed. It was just fine.

• 12:33Alex Cooper?

  Um, someone that you know also got a lot of new ink and I have to ask about it or I would get roasted on the internet. MGK, should I call him MGK or?

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 12:46Alex Cooper?

  Coulson or?

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Coulson or MGK, whatever you want.

• 12:48Alex Cooper?

  He posted and I saw all the comments of everyone mostly being like, what does Meghan think about his new tattoo? What does Meghan think? What does Meghan think? And now I'm sitting here in person with you and I'm like, I have to ask you like, what did you think when you saw the tattoo?

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Well, he has like a really special story behind why he did that, which obviously I'll leave for him to tell. But he had a relationship with the tattoos that he had that he was very conflicted emotionally. Whatever they represented and I don't actually know. He didn't like to revisit those memories of the tat, some of those tattoos that he had and he wanted to get rid of them. But I think the piece that she did for him is very like, I think it's very art. It gives me like Rick Owens. It gives me like, you know, it's, it's like an elevated version of all of those tattoos that were pieced together. I think it's really elegant and it's kind of ahead of its time.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  I think in 10 years, that'll be a trend. I don't know how many people can take that kind of pain. So I don't know, the people will be put to sleep and get, get the tattoos done, but he did it like fully awake with no painkillers and no.

• 13:55Alex Cooper?

  Did you go with him?

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Numbing. I went to one of the sessions.

• 13:58Alex Cooper?

  Right, there's probably many.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  There, there were many, yeah. And it didn't feel like something, it, to me, it felt like he was going through like a spiritual initiation. And that space needed to be respected and I didn't need to be there. I stopped by one of them though. But I don't actually know how he endured that level of pain. Because he's also tattooing on top of tattoos. So you're tattooing the scar tissue, which makes it even more painful. I, I don't know. I don't know. His liver is also probably not doing well at this time.

• 14:31Alex Cooper?

  prayers for Coulson.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:33Alex Cooper?

  I was thinking about as I was reading those comments, I'm like, the internet is such a wild place. What is the craziest rumor you've ever heard about yourself on the internet?

• 14:43Speaker 01

  There's lots of those. We could talk about that for a while. Let's talk about it.

• 14:46Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's talk about it.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Um, I guess one of the ones that's very persistent is that um, I'm like satanic or do satanic rituals or maybe adjacent to Illuminati or something in that vein, which I think really started. I don't know why it started. There was just like that one time that I said I drink blood ritualistically.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Um, and then everybody was like, wow, she's into satanic rituals. Um.

• 15:16Alex Cooper?

  Classic.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  But that was a very misunderstood

• 15:23Speaker 01

  thing. Let me try to explain it.

• 15:25Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, give us like some context.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Okay, here's the context. Everything is a matter of like what you're accustomed to or what is currently like socially acceptable or normal. And back in like the 50s even, how many times did you see like, probably never, but like on Leave It To Beaver or like movies from back then or even the 80s. How many times did you see like little boys would go out with like their little pop guns and they would cut their fingers and like be blood brothers, right? And they're like, we're best friends forever now. And they would like smush the blood together on their fingers.

• 15:58Alex Cooper?

  Uh huh.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  That's not satanic, right? That's normal and that's cute. That's sweet. That's like an innocent like.

• 16:03Alex Cooper?

  Little bond.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a little bond between kids who love each other. They have a pure friendship. It's like that. Except instead of rubbing your fingers together, the drop of blood goes in your mouth. And I don't know what, why that becomes satanic. I understand people are like, hey, that's weird. But guess what I think is weird? I think it's weird that girls are out here letting guys come in their mouth and they don't know these guys. You're letting somebody put their sperm in your mouth and you don't know what he did. He doesn't even have a job. You met him on fucking Tinder. He's an entrepreneur or whatever. He's in a startup.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  And you just let him sperm in your mouth. That's disgusting. That makes my back hurt. That makes me sweaty. So fuck you. You're so offended that I got a drop of Machine Gun Kelly's blood in my mouth.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  You have Brandon from Silicon Valley's sperm in your mouth. He didn't even buy you a nice drink.

• 17:05Alex Cooper?

  I'm crying.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Honestly, though, it's a matter of perspective. What is so gross about what I did with my soulmate? You guys are out here letting strangers come on you. This is disgusting.

• 17:20Alex Cooper?

  It is. These are the facts we really needed to discuss today, Meghan. We could have the interview here. You know what I mean? Because this is the hard hitting truth. And I appreciate the honesty because when you give us a little context, it does kind of make fucking sense. And you're right, like, anyone can look at it any way. Like, just like Christianity, when they're like drinking wine and they believe it's the blood of Christ. Like, everyone has their thing. Like, let everyone fucking live. What do you give a shit? Are you drinking someone's blood? No, so why do you fucking care if I do? Like, it doesn't matter. But this is a great point about the come. And we should circle back on that for the women at the end of this episode. Really talk about who should be coming inside of you and your mouth. And, yeah, I appreciate this. What other rumors? Do you have any that come to mind?

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 18:05Alex Cooper?

  That's just the main one.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  That's, that's the first one. And just to clarify, because I didn't go on record of saying that's not true. I actually was raised like Pentecostal Christian. I don't, I'm not currently like a part of the church, but I definitely identify with Christ consciousness. And I'm actually a very spiritual, positive person. Um, except for recently. Except for recently, I've been going through it a little bit in terms of positivity. But, um, definitely have never been a part of a satanic ritual. Don't know any people who have been a part of a satanic ritual. I'm not sure if the Illuminati is real. It probably is. I have not been extended an offer to join. I feel like if it was real, I would have been given an offer to join by now.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Um, so, yeah, it's just to squash that. Not a Satanist or any kind of like an evil witch, light worker. Yes, I do, you know, rituals, but that doesn't.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  That's not a negative thing. Anything is a ritual. Taking, doing your skincare routine is a ritual. Going to church is a ritual. So I think people have to separate that word. That word has been demonized for so long.

• 19:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  That it's just been very misunderstood. And also, I think we exacerbated it because Halloween of that year, um, I dressed up in bondage with a dog collar around my neck and he dressed up as a priest. And he was feeding me communion on my knees and we, we, we played Marilyn Manson's, um,

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Sweet, Sweet Dreams. We played that. That was the song to the, and people felt like that was a confirmation of the satanic rituals.

• 19:45Alex Cooper?

  So you can kind of see like where people may like.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  They may, I can see, I can see where I planted a seed and, and there grew a tree in its place.

• 19:53Alex Cooper?

  But you're here to chop down the tree and be like, it never fucking happened?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. He, he didn't want me to clarify. He was like, it's actually so much, just let them think this, that it's so much cooler that people think we're this bizarre, that we're this weird, that we're doing this kind of weird, magical, weird shit in our basement. Like let them think that this is what's going on.

• 20:11Alex Cooper?

  But it is kind of a testament to like, everything they see on social media is face value and it's like, it's not that deep. It was Halloween. Let's go back to the beginning, Megan Fox. What were you like as a kid?

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Um, I told my mom when I was two that I was going to be a famous actress. So I knew, and that wasn't out of passion for acting. I'll be honest. I just always knew that that's what it was going to be. I had like an awareness of my destiny for some reason at a young age. And I was a tomboy when I was a little kid. I was always outside. Um, I had like a very assertive energy as a child and whenever my mom would get like secret psychic readings because she was Pentecostal. So that was a no-no to see psychics. They would always read that she had an older daughter and a younger son and the younger son was me. Um, and I'm not really sure why I always came through that way, except

• 21:07Speaker 01

  that I have, no one's going to know what I'm talking about right now, but I have Mars on my ascendant in astrology. So I have like a warrior energy that I was born with. And I think that was translated as being like maybe masculine as a child because it wasn't docile. But I was like a good kid. I was like a little mischievous.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  And never interested in school, always knew that that was not for me.

• 21:33Alex Cooper?

  What was the dynamic like in your house?

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Um, my parents got divorced when I was three. And prior to that, I just remember both my parents are still alive and so I want to be careful not to drag them, but while also being honest. I remember my mother's depression was really, really affected me very deeply. And it was very visceral for me. And like if I were to draw an image of my mother from my childhood, it would be her like. This is not a literal image, but she just always seemed like, like a soaking wet blanket or like, like draped over a couch like weeping. That was, that would be like my image of mother because I was so connected to her sadness or her.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Her feelings of being unfulfilled and also her resentment towards relationships. My dad, before I skip ahead, my dad is like really outgoing and funny and charming and like really unique and sparkly. And they, she was, I don't know, she was not fulfilled in that relationship for whatever reason. They got divorced. From my perspective as a three-year-old, he kind of disappeared for a little while. She immediately got remarried. My stepdad who was passed was, um. Probably had borderline personality, but back then he was diagnosed, I think bipolar. And so he was emotionally and mentally and verbally very abusive to me, not to her.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Um, and he isolated me from her and. Just in general, like I wasn't allowed to have friends over or like go to anyone's house. So I spent a lot of time isolated in my room. Um, and wasn't able to really.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Even spend much, he wanted her, I I guess he isolated her is really what was happening. But it seemed as though I was the one being isolated. Then I watched her depression through that relationship as well. And so the messaging that I received is that men and marriage in particular drain you of your life force. And keep you from being able to express your creativity or express your unique desires. And it's an oppressive experience to be in a relationship or to be in love or to be married. In particular, being married, like when I say the word being married, I feel my, I feel my chakra is tight enough. I feel my back like, yeah, get tight, even though I was married for a long time. So that, does that, does that answer your question?

• 24:04Alex Cooper?

  No, no, yeah, it is interesting. And you have one sibling? Are you older or younger?

• 24:09Speaker 01

  No, I have an older sister, but she's twelve years older. So she was going to college when I was still really young. And she was gone a lot, because prior to that, when I was really young, she was in high school and she wasn't around much. And she had a boyfriend and she got married and she moved out. So I was alone a lot and trying to make sense of my mom's depression.

• 24:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  And the disconnect and then the like, the emotional violence coming from my stepfather. And also wanting to be with my dad more and not being able to to be around him. Because he always was a light and he still is a light. And but he was separated from me in a way where I couldn't, I couldn't get to the light. It's kind of like you can't get to God.

• 24:57Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  That that constant like wanting to connect with the father figure, like either spiritually or literally.

• 25:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, I feel like a lot of people that I've talked to, I have such empathy for people that whether literally or just like by age, kind of had a upbringing that you're essentially an only child. Like your sister being so much older than you, like you were in the house alone. And I feel like a lot of times when there's such chaos from the parents, like there is.

• 25:29Alex Cooper?

  I found you can have such an emotional connection to siblings because you can look at someone to your right and your left and be like, oh, we're going through the same shit. Whereas when you're an only child, essentially in those moments, you can only internalize, think what's wrong with me or hate what's going on around you and try to do the complete opposite of what your parents did. I feel like obviously we've seen in movies, you play just like the most popular hot girl. And when you got to high school, because I know you said when you were younger, you were very tomboyish, you would be alone. What was your high school dynamic like, like, were you the cool girl or were you the opposite of that?

• 26:02Speaker 01

  No, in middle school, I had, I was always a loner, I guess, and not necessarily by choice, but have you ever taken the Enneagram test? Do you know what that is?

• 26:15Alex Cooper?

  I do know what that is.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Do you know what number you are?

• 26:18Alex Cooper?

  I completely forget what number I am in now.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  You're probably a one if I had to guess.

• 26:21Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God, what does that mean? Is that a good?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Or a, or a seven. Actually, you're probably a seven, the enthusiast. Take, take it and then tell me, take it and then like, I don't know how this works, but like, insert it into this interview and tell me if I was right.

• 26:34Alex Cooper?

  My face pops up like, I am a one.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  No, no, a seven, a seven. I think you're the enthusiast. I'm a four, which is, um, I think in, in that one, they call it the romantic, but it's a, it's a personality that's been developed where I identify as being an outcast or being so incredibly unique and unusual that no one could ever understand me. And so for me, like the, the worst insult you could give me is that I blend in with everyone else, or I have like a vanilla personality or that I'm normal. But that actually stems from a family environment where I didn't feel that I belonged and never felt a part of anything. And then as I went out into the world in school, that was also reflected back to me

• 27:17Speaker 01

  where I didn't fit into a friend group and I wasn't received well by kids. And then as I left school and went out into the world as a famous person, the world received me that way as well with a lot of contention and, um, a lot of negativity and a lot of projection. And so it's a part of my identity, but it's a survival mechanism to say, ah, I'm a pariah. Like I'm, I'm an outlier. That's, that's who I am and, and I'm proud of that. And that's who I need to be now. That's how I self identify, but really that comes from a deep wound of. Looking to have belonged somewhere at some point in my life and never finding a place that I fit.

• 27:57Alex Cooper?

  That's really actually interesting to hear because I was gonna say like on one hand, it is a survival mechanism for you to get through, but I'm also like, Isn't that lonely?

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's super lonely, but I was a lonely baby. I've been I've been lonely my whole life, so and when I meet with like I've met every healer, every psychic, every they're always like, Well, this is you're a nine life path. This is your life last life. You're an old soul. Old souls are lonely. Old souls are sad. You've been doing this a long time. You've been through a lot of trauma. You've had every kind of experience you can have and there's like this Sort of bittersweet experience of

• 28:41Speaker 01

  It's uh it's lonely, but I also know that part of my purpose is to be in service to others, my children in particular. But yeah, it's not a it's not a particularly like. I feel alone.

• 28:55Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  A lot, but to answer your question about high school and middle school, I wasn't cool. I had an eating disorder in middle school. A really bad one. I had to be hospitalized twice. And I was left in there like I my mom will say she took me out for Christmas. I don't think that's accurate. I think I was in there for Christmas. But I was in there for a few months at a time. Every time they would put me in essentially, I was fifty one fifty because my eating disorder was so bad. Um, I had braces. I plucked out all of my eyebrows. Um, and when you do that, when you pluck your eyebrows, by the way, for anyone that's ever gonna do this. If you do that when you're sick or your immune system is down, those hairs don't grow back. So plucked my eyebrows out. Most of them never grew back.

• 29:35Alex Cooper?

  Why did you pluck them out?

• 29:38Speaker 01

  It it was like a like cutting or like any kind of a I was just Doing things to myself to like.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Not disfigure myself, but it was a compulsive action that I didn't understand at the time. And then in high school, like if you saw my high school yearbook picture, I'm at that, by that point, I was cute again.

• 29:58Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  I had figured it out somehow, but equally as lonely and like isolated and I had a friend. But I've never had like a friend group.

• 30:08Alex Cooper?

  How did boys treat you in high school?

• 30:11Speaker 01

  I had a high school boyfriend. I didn't, I don't know. At that point, I had started like some modeling in Miami and doing like auditioning for acting things. I think during high school, I did that Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen movie. I'm not exactly sh- I think I was like sixteen, seventeen.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  The kids in school, I didn't get like a real reaction from the boys in school. But as I went out into the world doing that stuff, I started

• 30:39Alex Cooper?

  Then you did.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Getting reactions, but also from like much older men, which was weird. Because they were not my peer group, obviously, and that sent a whole nother like set of confusing messages.

• 30:50Alex Cooper?

  Uh, yeah. I'm curious, before we do get into that, like when people probably think of Megan Fox in high school, they're like, uh, I would have killed to look like you. Like, did you have insecurities?

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've had body dysmorphia since I was probably like five. I can remember sitting in the back of my sister's car. She was getting married and I even remember what I was wearing. I had black shorts that had white polka dots on them. And I was five and this is crazy when I look at my children, because now I understand what it is to be five years old. And I was in the backseat looking at my legs, being like, I have such fat thighs. My thighs are so fat. I was five. But I also had like, um, I think I was blonde in a past life. Or, and or, I mean, I've had many past lives. Whenever I would look in the mirror as a child, I was like, that's not me. That never felt like me. I, I, nothing about that face, the hair, the skin color,

• 31:45Speaker 01

  the body, that wasn't me. I never associated that with me. And so I think that's because I have a strong tie to some of my other lifetimes. And it was always hard for me to accept that this is who I am in this lifetime. And that goes back to when my parents were still married. So I was like two or three. My mom said that I used to go into the bathroom and stand on the toilet and pull up my shirt to see if my boobies had grown. And I would get really upset that I didn't have big boobs. And now I, thirty thousand dollars later, now I do. Solve, solve that problem.

• 32:22Alex Cooper?

  Honestly, girl, get it. I was gonna, yeah, cuz I was gonna ask you, like, I know you've been open about body dysmorphia, and I know that doesn't, doesn't just go away. And like, where do you think that control of, cuz that's essentially a control thing of like, you're trying to control how you look. Like, what were you, what do you think now you look back, you're trying to achieve?

• 32:41Speaker 01

  I think ultimately, at the time that I was going through it, it was loss of control because of the, the dynamic between myself and my stepfather and having no, like, no autonomy whatsoever. And like, not being able to have friends or to leave the house, or to even like, do things freely inside the house. But prior to that, it was just a feeling of being defective or being unwanted. And for whatever reason, I'm not sure why it manifested specifically as that and not as like addiction issues, which I've never had. But it, it manifested as body dysmorphia and self-esteem instead.

• 33:21Alex Cooper?

  Your ex-husband made headlines recently when he said that you never got to experience being a single young woman because you guys met when you were only eighteen and he was thirty-one at the time. Do you agree with him? Like, do you feel like you missed out on anything because of that relationship?

• 33:39Speaker 01

  I feel like.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  First of all, let me just say, I was not a great girlfriend to Brian. I'll be very honest. And like, he was not great to me either all the time. But I think it would be easy for me to lean into and complain about or let it seem like that relationship was one way that maybe I was not great because I was young and really should not have been in a relationship of that that level of commitment and that magnitude with I shouldn't have been involved in that when I was eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty-one, twenty-two, twenty-three. I shouldn't have been. So I did a lot of like falling in love with other people all the time.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Um, I would go to work and fall in love because I was a kid and um, yeah, I never had the full freedom to like be single and experience that life. And I thought for a minute when I got divorced that that's what I was gonna do. And I was single for like, three weeks. And then

• 34:48Alex Cooper?

  Then you just met that guy.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought I was really gonna go full like Leo DiCaprio for a while.

• 34:55Alex Cooper?

  That would have been really like fun to watch.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Everyone says that to me. Everyone agrees.

• 35:01Alex Cooper?

  I now need to know because you reference in the beginning of this interview like it literally makes your skin crawl when you think about marriage, but you did get married. Like, how did you decide to do that?

• 35:11Speaker 01

  I think because then I was so unaware of my feelings because I was so, so much younger and this is before I had my kids and most of my growth and like awareness came after childbirth. So prior to that, I was very, I just wasn't aware that, oh, marriage makes me feel any particular way. That was something I did kind of impulsively. Um, also, it was like an adventure to, to go on and to do. And I'd already been with him for so many years at that point. And I do feel like karmically I was supposed to have those kids with him, of course. So I didn't realize. You know, I wasn't looking at myself being like, oh, I'm reenacting.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  My mother's life, or I'm carrying my mother's burdens, or I'm carrying, you know, the things that she projected on to me. I was not able to recognize any of that. I was just in the moment. And had not had therapy or anything like that, and had not started reading and educating myself. So I was just acting and doing. And I got myself into a relationship, which I of course, found. No shade to Brian, unfulfilling, because inevitably, that's what I was going to do, because I was reenacting what I watched my mother do as a child.

• 36:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, I think that's something that's like fascinating when you get into therapy, you're like, oh, fuck, like, I'm just. I literally said I didn't want to be like my mother, and I'm turning into my mother, and it's on us, obviously, to like. Take some accountability of our lives, to be like, pause, how do I try to change this? But it's really fucking hard to not do what we saw growing up. When I think about you and and sense the rise of your career, I feel like your name. In the public eye has been synonymous with the phrase sex symbol, right? How does that make you feel?

• 37:03Speaker 01

  I've never been like particularly attached to that, to be honest, I'm not like. I don't have an emotional. Reaction to that, I don't believe, but let me sit here and analyze it while you're asking me. I think it adds pressure. To a girl who. Like I said, has body dysmorphia and didn't really ever see herself that way. And the the things that I thought were my strengths, like my mind, my intelligence, or. My sense of humor, which is granted, like, very niche sometimes, but. Those things are not acknowledged, and instead I'm being acknowledged for something that I don't identify.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  With or as, and so that's almost like. This artifice, it's like forcing me to. Wear. A character that I don't actually. I wasn't trying to wear and then also you assign the character to me and then you torture and demonize the character and I was never that I was never her like you you created her and then you murdered her and that I love that I started this out by being like I don't have an emotional attachment to this.

• 38:20Alex Cooper?

  Like you fucking killed me bitch.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  But um I think to just being called a sex symbol I don't initially have a reaction.

• 38:29Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  But to the whole process of what really happened and it goes it's into just being famous in general and the process of fame has been really haunting to be honest because like I said the media and people built up this character and then decided to destroy her because I I I don't know why there's a need to like worship and then and destroy worship and then destroy and I was always a sensitive kid but I had to wear armor to

• 39:11Speaker 01

  survive my childhood and I had to wear armor to survive being famous and so there's this energy of me of that you know that I don't give any fucks and to some degree that's true in terms of I would never change anything about myself in order to get someone to like me so in that way I don't give any fucks that doesn't mean that I don't get my feelings hurt and that when I'm being bullied or dragged that that doesn't cause me to be mentally unwell sometimes because it absolutely does and did and in two thousand nine crossing into two thousand ten I had been famous not even that long only a couple of years but

• 39:52Speaker 01

  the fame was so heightened it was so intense that all the energy started peaking and I was going through this process of I was getting crucified in the press every day and on whatever the blogs were at that time there was no social media but like Perez Hilton and like was it Nikki Swift there was some other blog that was so mean Daily Mail whatever.

• 40:13Alex Cooper?

  Do you remember what they would like say about you?

• 40:14Speaker 01

  The same the same exact things they say right now you could swap the articles from this year with two thousand nine and two thousand ten it's the exact same thing obviously like.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Being a slut, being a whore. Now I have kids for people to project on and be like, but you're a shitty mom. I didn't have that at the time, but it was just like, you're a shitty person for whatever reason.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Plastic surgery, fake, talentless.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  There's so many, there's so many headlines. I used to get chased by paparazzi who would be like,

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Meghan, everybody's saying that you're overrated. Do you think that you're overrated? Meghan, everybody's saying that you shouldn't have got your nose done. Nobody likes your new nose. Are you embarrassed that you got your nose done? Are you sad? Do you regret getting your nose done? Meghan, why are you such a bitch? Why does nobody like you? Like grown men, right? Chasing you with, back then, this was like TMZ cameras. They don't talk to you like that anymore, but back then they did. So you're in life, getting bullied by actual grown adult men with cameras everywhere you go. Then there's like the online presence of just getting torn to shreds for everything that you do, everything that you wear, how you look, every single flaw, every pimple, every

• 41:35Speaker 01

  scar, every five pounds you gain, five pounds you lose, you're, you can't win. And that energy was peaking and it was every day. And during 2009, they had a blackout, a Megan Fox blackout, where the media all agreed to not post any content about me for a whole day. Which by the way, I was like, I hope you do this every day. Thank you. But the attitude was that, oh, this is that I was a fame whore or an attention whore, which is the opposite of the truth. I'm extremely introverted and horrified by having to be in front of people or cameras. But it got so bad at that point, I was just like, hey, I can't survive

• 42:20Speaker 01

  the criticism and the bullying anymore. Like, I actually can't live, every time I step out of my house, someone has something to say about how I look. Or it's gonna be, it started to become a witch hunt, where I felt like tabloids would send photographers with the intention of getting a bad photograph or getting a bad, getting a bad story. This was around the time, it may have been a little before, but it was in the years of when Brittany shaved her head. And so. The media at that time, they were on witch hunts and they would set out to try and find something negative. Um, the ugliest picture they could get to splash it everywhere because that's what people wanna, that gets the most engagement, obviously, even back then before.

• 43:04Alex Cooper?

  Of course.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Socials existed. And that's when I sort of stepped away for a long time and I was like, I'm good to just not be involved in this anymore because I actually can't sustain this amount of damage. It's not normal. And I also feel like it was kind of just me at that time, whereas now all of us get it.

• 43:24Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  There's so many other girls that are getting it constantly, but back then, it really was kind of just me. There wasn't another actress that was getting it the same way I was getting it.

• 43:34Alex Cooper?

  Like as I'm listening to you, it's, first of all, it's fucking exhausting. Like I cannot imagine and what you're sharing with me in the beginning of this being like, at such a young age, I looked in the mirror and I was like, I literally cannot connect with my physical appearance and it's so hard for me to look at myself and be like, is that me in the mirror? I don't feel that way. To know the eating disorders and the body dysmorrhea, like what you were going through, how exacerbated it then became because you became famous. If you had to say, and I know there's like no answer, but like, why do you think people are so obsessively trying to pick at you and pull you down?

• 44:15Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think like if I were to try and speak about it from a spiritual angle, that's

• 44:25Speaker 01

  I'm the architect of this experience and so I'm drawing this to me because my soul needs to learn and deal with these feelings and be able to transcend this. I believe in a past life, I actually was burned at the stake for being a witch. So I think that's an energy that I've had like through lifetimes and it's carried into this lifetime as well because that is essentially what is happening today, every day. People don't realize it, but they all wake up and they're just a reincarnated medieval mob and they have their pitchfork and their lantern and they're like, who do we get to burn at the stake today? Who do we get to cancel today? Who do we get to destroy today? And that's the first thing they do. They go on Twitter and they're like, what's trending? This, I wanna join in on this.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  And that's also something that should be studied is like, why do people want to join in on?

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Something so, which is essentially psychological violence. Why do you want to join in on that? Because I think most people, if you were walking on the street and you saw me, or you saw Kim, or Kylie, or any of these other girls, and we were being beaten by a mob of people, your instinct is not going to be to join the mob and to beat us. It would probably be to either help or to go get help. However, when you watch that same thing happen online, and it's the psychological violence, the instinct is to join. And that's a very weird.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  That's a very weird instinct that people have that they should ask themselves, like, why do I want to be a part of tormenting, torturing, mocking, making fun of, or bullying? When we do understand the ramifications and the danger of doing this.

• 46:08Alex Cooper?

  It's such a good way to look at it, and it's fucking terrifying. And I think. I think that as I'm sitting here, listening to you, like, I also just have to like, acknowledge, like, you are conventionally like, a beautiful woman. Like, you have been called in certain years, like, the most beautiful woman in the world. And I think people cannot accept that you could have it all. You can't be this beautiful and be smart. You can't be that beautiful and be a good person. And I think it brings so many insecurities out in people when they look at you.

• 46:50Alex Cooper?

  I think for women, like, I remember I just saw a TikTok of this woman who was like, I just lost a hundred pounds, and my life is so different because I used to walk in rooms, and women would befriend me, and men treated me like shit, and now it's the opposite. I walk in a room, and every fucking woman looks at me like a threat, and every man is opening the door for me, treating me like a queen. And I'm like, whoa. I just lived two different fucking experiences in a year, and I'm like, which one would I choose? But I think you threaten women because you're confident and beautiful and educated and smart, and we're all like, fuck you, you can't be like that. But to men, I mean, I was gonna read this to you, I was like, what the fuck is wrong with the world? I read an old article, okay?

• 47:34Alex Cooper?

  And they, they described you as. A screensaver on a teenage boy's laptop, a middle aged lawyer's shower fantasy, and a sexual prop used to sell movies.

• 47:50Alex Cooper?

  Like, the objectification of you, Megan Fox, is so much larger than you. It is like the embodiment of misogyny and what's wrong with our fucking society. And it's terrifying even hearing though it come from your own voice of like, I didn't ask for this. I didn't, I'm not out there selling my body and my soul to this. Like, I'm just trying to do my job. And somehow people are like, take her the fuck down, like.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I also, it was always confusing to me because I never really did anything bad. I was never like, associated with drugs or alcohol. I was never around until recently, anyone who's been associated with drugs or alcohol. I was never caught at clubs. I was never arrested. I was never, I, I never did anything outside of having like, a kind of Andy Kaufman-esque sense of humor, which people don't understand. That is my greatest crime. And so it was very hard to understand in the beginning. And I'll be honest with you, it's hard to keep enduring it. Because I did step away for a decade.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  And I did all this work on myself spiritually and thought that I was transcending and growing and becoming a better person. And so when I got divorced and I started dating Colson, inevitably, I was sort of thrust back into the light, the synthetic light, not the real light. And I thought that either it would be different. I would be attracting a different experience to myself this time because my level of consciousness was so much higher. Or my ability to deal with it would be so much better at this point because I was a different person. And I have not found that to be the case at all. Like, I've been doing it, it's going on the fourth year now. Um, and it is wearing me down. I'll be honest, like.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  It's very hard, I think, because I don't have a family support system or like a large group of I don't feel that I belong because I am, I do feel so alone, like you said, when you have to deal with something and you don't have siblings or you feel like you're by yourself, you internalize and then it can become very grim very quickly and I do, I am kind of getting to the end of my rope with that, I'll be honest, like I'm, I'm I'm struggling with it again, it feels like I was in a wormhole, like I left two thousand nine and I'm like right back in where I left off and there was no growth, which makes me feel defeated. And I just, I really, I can't believe how

• 50:29Speaker 01

  negative human beings are and how cruel they need to be to everyone, this is not just me, but that also weighs on me because I have kids and I have one kid who's like an artistic savant and that kid will inevitably be in the spotlight somehow, it's impossible that they won't. And I know how cruel the world is because I've lived through it and I don't think I can endure watching what my child is gonna have to go through. Um, so I'm really struggling with that as well of like not wanting my kids to have to be exposed.

• 51:07Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, it's also just like this vicious cycle, like you said, like everyone builds someone up, we've seen it with so many stars online and then the minute you're at the top, they break you down and I already know, it's like if you disappear again and you go away. Oh my god, we miss Meghan.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  It happened to me twice, when I went away, there was like this surge of like I hate this phrase, but it applies, I would not normally say this. There was that peak in energy where I was getting crucified every day. I went away, I disappeared, I was like, fine, fuck it, you win. The world had like their post nut clarity and they were like. Wait, but why did we, why did we kill her? Why did we murder her? She never did anything. What did she do? She was actually like, she was actually a positive. She, she stood for a lot of really good things. Like, we should have given her her flowers. Why did we do that? Fuck. And then I stepped back. I'm like, was someone knocking?

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Were you guys, were you guys calling me? I'm, I'm here. I'm here to receive my flowers. And it was immediate, just murder. Immediately. And so

• 52:15Alex Cooper?

  What the fuck?

• 52:16Speaker 01

  That, experiencing that cycle, like you said, if I were to disappear again right now, like I did in 2009, which believe me, I'm very tempted to do because I am not well at this moment. The same thing would happen where people would be like, oh, but she brought, you know, she had this messaging. She was such a smart girl. She was a grounded girl. She was encouraging. She was supportive of other women. She was this, she was that. She was, I promise you 40 years after I'm dead, it's gonna be like with, not to compare myself to Marilyn, but the way she died and then everyone's like, well, you know, she was a genius. You know, she had 142 IQ. That's gonna happen to me too. I'll, years from now, I'll be dead and then somebody will have something nice to say about me. But living, it's not gonna happen.

• 53:00Alex Cooper?

  It's even like making me think as you're just talking and I'm staring at you, like you are so bright and you have so much to offer. And it makes me sad because I know so many people will listen to this and be like, wait, she's actually like really fucking dope. But it shouldn't take you sitting for an hour and talking. If you're a kind person, you've never done anything to anyone, so you shouldn't have to prove yourself. But it's like frustrating that this, there's this pull and push on the internet and you just can't fucking win. And I'm sorry you have to deal with that. Um, I'm curious, like, how did, how did and how has this like extreme focus on your look and body impacted your relationship to sex?

• 53:45Speaker 01

  That's a good question. I have Virgo on my eighth house, so.

• 53:50Alex Cooper?

  Again, you gotta like talk to the girlies that are like, bitch, I have no idea what you're talking about.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  I know, I know, I'm trying. I think

• 53:57Alex Cooper?

  Google it.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta deeply Google to understand what I'm talking about there. But I, it does affect, obviously, anything that's going on with your self-esteem affects your relationship to sex.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  But I will say, I feel like as I took more control of my body, actually, because when I was younger, it was like really scandalous to get anything done. So my boobs have been fake, by the way, since I was twenty one or two. I got them done in between the first and second Transformers, but I had them done conservatively. I've done this way too many times during this interview. I hate it. You gotta like,

• 54:40Alex Cooper?

  No, you haven't.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  You gotta AI those out. And I can't, I can't keep doing that.

• 54:45Alex Cooper?

  I'll just bump it in your face when you do it.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Okay. Um, where was I? Okay, so I had them, I had, I had, they were very conservative. Because back then, you had, you, everyone did the work, but you had to do work that was undetectable. Obviously, people have been doing work since Hollywood began. That's the way, the studios would bring you in and do a screen test and be like, okay, John Wayne, he needs a chin implant. Marilyn, she needs a nose. She needs this, she needs that. That's the oldest story ever told. But back at that time, when I was doing it, it had to be unno- unnoticeable. But I always, that little girl that was in the mirror, like, where are my boobies? I always wanted big boobies. And so I wasn't happy with the first set. The same thing with like, we might, can we just talk about plastic surgery?

• 55:28Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, let's talk, yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Okay, so I'm just gonna go through all the things that I've done.

• 55:32Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 55:48Alex Cooper?

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• 58:00Alex Cooper?

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• 58:37Speaker 01

  Can we just talk about plastic surgery?

• 58:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, let's talk.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  Okay. So I'm just gonna go through all the things that I've done.

• 58:43Alex Cooper?

  Love.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Because I feel like there's this... stigma and I'm not gonna win. I'm gonna do this, I'm not gonna win. Okay. However, I'm hoping it sets some people free. Let's go. Because I feel like people are like, well, we like, we, if you were to ask women, they would be like, well, we, we say these things, we bully you. Some of my favorite comments are from women. And I don't often read them, but sometimes I'm in the mood and I'm like, I want to interact with a troll. And it takes one second for them to start pouring into my Instagram feed or my, my comments. And they're often from women where I'll be like, holy shit, that is a particularly cruel thing to say.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Who is this person? And I'll click on it and she'll be like, women's life coach, crystal healing. Loving God. Tantric lessons, divine feminine. And she's under my comments being like, you know, crucifying me for being plastic or whatever. So there's, but if you were to ask her, she would be like, well, that's because she perpetuates an unhealthy standard of beauty. Right? But, and so here I am, I'm going to be fully transparent. I still won't win because there are some girls who have been, who have been transparent. I don't want to like bring people in, but someone like a Kylie has been very transparent. That is not helping her. People are, women are still brutally dragging her just the same.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  And totally undeserved. She's a beautiful, healthy, young, gorgeous girl. And I actually feel for whatever reason, very protective when I watch other girls go through this. I want to defend them or go to war for them. But, okay, I'll go through. Here's things I haven't done that I have been accused of doing. Okay. And then I'll confirm the things I have done. Okay. I've never had a facelift of any kind, so no mid facelift, no like lateral brow lift. Although I would like one or no regular brow lift. Um, I've never done threads. I have researched them. That's not because of some moral thing. I just don't really believe they work and I'm also afraid that they would interfere when I do need to have a facelift.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  But I am very tempted to go have my eyebrows snatched like all the way. I want, I want that look. Sometimes that seems fun. And you can do it on a lunch break and I see why it's so tempting and I, I have researched it, have not done it yet. Um, I've never had this done. What is this? Oh, buck, buccal fat, buckle fat? Buckle fat? Buckle fat? I've never had that done. I'll never have any fat removed. I'm a very like lean. Person that doesn't have enough body fat or fat in my face, so I will only ever put fat in. I will never be taking fat out. Which leads me to, I've never had any like liposuction or body contouring or anything like that. I've never had, what are other things you can have? Butt implants?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  I mean, I, I'd be so flattered if somebody thought I had a BBL. If I could, I would, I, I don't have, I don't have the extra body fat. I would get it done if I could.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  And that, that surgery is such a hard one to recover from. It's so insane. It's basically like three months you have to lay flat on your face. I could never be me. Bruised for an eternity. If I were to ever do that, I would come out with, I, I would be like, if I'm going to survive that surgery. You're going to give me an ass that's like an anomaly. Like I'm, you're, I'm gonna walk through a park and I'm gonna turn around. And everyone is gonna be whispering and laughing and talking because they're like, what? What are we looking at? Like circus freak. That, if I'm going through that healing process. You're gonna do it. I want that. I'm not coming out with like, oh, did she been, has she been like really hitting the gym lately? Extra squats? No. I want it to be.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gotta be, it's gotta stop people in their tracks.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Okay, but I don't have the body fat to do that, so that's never gonna happen. But at the time, when, when in the future, you can take donated fat from people. I will be doing that and you will be seeing this situation. This situation go down in the park. Okay, what you have had? What I have had done, like I said, I had my boobs done when I was. Twenty one or twenty two. I had them redone after I was done breastfeeding my kids because I I don't know where they went, but they went. And then I had to have them redone very recently because the first set. I didn't have enough body fat to disguise. You could see the rippling of the implant, so I had to switch them out to this set. I don't like surgery. My body does not react well to general anesthesia.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  And so when I go to have a surgery, it's a very big deal. And I have my, all my doctors have to meet with me before and have to tell me if they've seen any omens, if they saw any owls, crows, if anyone stepped on a spider. If any, if there are any dead insects, like my doctors have to go through this with me. Because I'm very afraid of dying under general anesthesia. So I don't take surgery lightly and therefore I have not had many of them because of that. So that's probably a saving grace that I have this paranoia or this fear because God knows what I would have been up to.

• 1:03:53Alex Cooper?

  Do your doctors think you're insane? They're like, oh, this bitch. Yes, I saw an owl, Megan. Let's reschedule.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  We all, and by the way, I'm like, I'll still pay for the surgery. Just do not also. Make sure the music playlist, no music comes up that reminds you of like your ex-girlfriend or an ex-wife or anything that's gonna make you upset because you are the surgeon. You need to be in a good headspace. If you have a fight with your wife, do not come in for surgery. I go through all of these protocols.

• 1:04:18Alex Cooper?

  You should make us all like a list of like a little pre-op.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  You don't want to, any surgery is a risk to your life. I don't care what anyone says. That's the truth. Going under general anesthesia is a risk to your life. So um, when I had to go in for this set, I was like, look. If you're gonna put me to sleep, if I'm gonna be sick for two months from the general anesthesia. If I'm gonna feel, if I'm gonna go through, cuz I'm not fully ever asleep, so my soul's like fighting on the surgical table to wake up. It's a very traumatizing experience for me. I was like, I better wake up with the biggest boobs you can fit in my body. And that is what he said he did. And they're not even that big. They're a thirty-two D. Which is not that big. They just look big on my body because my body's tiny.

• 1:05:04Alex Cooper?

  Right, right.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  But if like, if he could have gone bigger, I would have had him go bigger because I don't like surgery and the fact that I had to do it. I was like, I want a reward for the suffering I have to go through. I don't want to wake up with a full B cup. There's no fucking point in that. I'm not doing it.

• 1:05:20Alex Cooper?

  Right, you want titties.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  I wanted titties. I said, I want, I don't care what's on trend, give me nineteen ninety stripper titties. That's what I want. And he did it.

• 1:05:32Alex Cooper?

  Girl, you look amazing.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  Thank you. And then, um, I had my nose done when I was in my early twenties. And that's something I've literally been accused of having like six, seven, eight rhinoplasty surgeries, which is impossible. Your nose would get necrosis and fall off. Um, I haven't had a rhinoplasty since I was. I'm gonna say twenty-three. It's been well over a decade. I haven't, I've not touched my nose since then. We didn't contour my nose.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  We didn't contour my nose. No, we didn't.

• 1:06:05Alex Cooper?

  Your nose looks tiny. Shut the fuck up.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  We didn't contour it. Should we contour half? Should we show everyone how I contour my nose?

• 1:06:13Alex Cooper?

  Shut the fuck up. You, your nose looks, no.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  I can make it tiny like a little elven princess. I make it so small within, within one inch of its life, I contour. And so I think people think I keep constantly working on it. It's just the contour. I can't believe, I can't believe I'm doing an interview without nose contour on. I'm traumatized. You don't understand what a big deal this is. This is like me not having done my eyebrows. Very scary for me.

• 1:06:39Alex Cooper?

  I'm traumatized that you think that your nose won't look good right now because I'm like, the fuck does my nose?

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  I like to I like to contour it down until it's just nostrils like Voldemort. Just no nose, just, just two holes here.

• 1:06:55Alex Cooper?

  Wait, after this, can you teach me how you contour your nose and I'll do it next to you?

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm, I'm freaking out that I'm not, I don't have it on.

• 1:07:03Alex Cooper?

  You look so gorgeous. You're gonna keep going. This is good for you. This is good for you. She's gotta keep going.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:08Alex Cooper?

  So you've had your nose done, you've had your tits done and what? Botox and filler?

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, that's it, right? Oh, there's one thing I had done that I'm gatekeeping because, sorry.

• 1:07:20Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  It was, it was really good and it's not a known, like, plastic surgery. People don't even really know about it.

• 1:07:27Alex Cooper?

  Will you tell me off camera?

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. You don't need it, I don't think.

• 1:07:31Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  You, you're not gonna want it. I wanted it very badly and I needed to do it. And it's something that-

• 1:07:36Alex Cooper?

  Can you give us a hint?

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:07:38Alex Cooper?

  No? Okay, so that's it?

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's actually not that much. It's not that, in terms of surgery, it's not that much. Now, when it comes to lasers and stuff like that, I've done everything you could possibly think of doing and I always will. I don't understand the point of shaming people for getting stuff done. Granted, I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything crazy and like I said, you need to be very safe and very careful when you do any of this stuff, even fillers, like people that get fillers in their nose, you can get necrosis from that. Like, none of this shit is really safe. It all comes with a risk. So, I'm not encouraging people to just go out like blindly and do things. You should do your research. However, it's a very weird thing to shame somebody for. And coming back to your question about sex.

• 1:08:25Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  The more that I've taken control of my body and done the things that I've always wanted to do, the more comfortable I am in my body and the more freedom I have sexually and the more embodied I feel sexually and am more like playful and confident in that way versus when I was- Wearing a body that didn't feel like my body because I always wanted it to be different.

• 1:08:50Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that though, because I think you're right. It's like to the women that are shaming women for getting work done. If you are so triggered, that probably means you have an insecurity. Where have you, maybe you've thought of getting fillers or botox or something, but maybe you're too scared. So then you shame women that have done it. It's like, why, and if you don't want it, why do you care if another woman gets it? It's all projection. When someone is so angry looking at you, it's it is based in some form of jealousy. Like, we have to just call it what it is.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  But also, where does the logic end of like, what, why won't you take it to shaming people for coloring their hair?

• 1:09:28Alex Cooper?

  So true.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Or wearing gel nails? Or where does that logic stop? What's, what's natural enough for you? And then what's fake? And what's the barometer? And like, why do we all have to follow some kind of a standard? It doesn't make any sense, like.

• 1:09:48Alex Cooper?

  Can we talk about your book for a second?

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Alex Cooper?

  So you released your book, Pretty Boys Are Poisonous. And you basically write about the fact that you have your entire life kept the secrets of men. Which, again, if anyone asks like, why? It's like, we kind of talked about that today. It's like, well, what the fuck? You're gonna, if you say it, no one believes you, or they shame you, or they call you a whore, like, there's certain reasons why women don't come forward and say these things. And you wrote a lot in this book. One of the things, one of the common themes I wrote down was like, throughout the book, you talk about minimizing yourself in order to make a man or men feel comfortable and confident and important.

• 1:10:37Alex Cooper?

  When was the first time you remembered doing that in a relationship? Like, bringing yourself down?

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  So tricky, because my relationships are public, so it's hard to say. But I would say very early on, like, when I first started.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Going to award shows and things like that, feeling judged for like my naive excitement over like first experiencing some kind of success or like being at like, oh, my god, I'm at the MTV Awards, like, whoa, this is so cool and not being met with what felt to be criticism or judgment and then me shrinking and receiving the message that it was embarrassing to like these things or to be happy to be a part of these things and that I needed to quell that and reject it, maybe.

• 1:11:34Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever had someone that like had a very strong opinion to be like, you're not allowed to wear that or don't be like as outgoing in at events, like how controlling have you experienced relationships become?

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  I haven't had somebody

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  control clothing and things like that. But definitely, yeah, definitely just down to like maintaining too much eye contact with someone else or having, being too curious during a conversation or to the point where it's like, well, I just won't talk to anyone. I just won't look at anyone. I won't shake anyone's hand like I'll just sit and that's, that's one of the poems you're referring to is, I think it was the art of becoming an accessory. And feeling like an accessory where I'm there, but why am I there and what am I doing? I don't have like, I don't have a presence here because I'm not allowed to be.

• 1:12:34Alex Cooper?

  Another theme is toxicity in the book. I wanted to read you this particular line. I prefer the agonizing psychological abuse of this trauma bond to the prosaic tedium of a regular life. Why do you think you gravitate towards toxicity over stability?

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Because stability sounds boring.

• 1:13:01Alex Cooper?

  I get it.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  It does. And that's the truth. It sounds like it's not romantic. It doesn't sound like it's passionate. The literal definition of passion is to suffer. And it doesn't, it just sounds, I I would rather be in something, this is not to encourage others to do this. But my personal psychosis and issue is that I would prefer to be in something dramatic and toxic versus something

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  stable. Keep in mind, I've never experienced like truly stable. So if I were to honestly experience it, I would probably have a lot of peace and would accept it. But I've never had it. So to me, the idea of it sounds very boring. Boring.

• 1:13:51Alex Cooper?

  I wanna read part of this heartbreaking poem that you wrote because it's fucking heartbreaking. You say, there was a time where I had never heard a man call me stupid, pathetic, bitch, cunt, slut, idiot. And there was also a time when I had never felt a man's hands hit me, suffocate me, or throw me to the ground. But now, if one of those things hasn't happened by Wednesday, I consider it a miracle. When I read that to you, how does it make you feel?

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  I dissociate from the physical violence a lot. Even when I talk to my therapist, I have yet to be able to have like a strong emotional reaction to that. Because I compartmentalized that. And that sort of just jumped over my, my, my logic, my logical brain and went right into my body. So I need to probably do a lot of like somatic therapy to work on that. But I I'm not able to feel emotional. When I write about it or when I talk about it, it's basically like describing a movie. Um, the gaslighting and the name-calling and the mental emotional abuse, I do get very emotional about that. I I am very like present with that.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  But how do I feel about it? I don't know. Well, part of me feels like exposed because I wrote this book with with things like that in it. And so to hear someone else read it, I'm like, okay, I wrote that for everyone to read for all of eternity. They can revisit that book and I did it, but I did it for a reason.

• 1:15:31Alex Cooper?

  Why did you do it?

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  One for myself, I think, because obviously it was therapeutic to get it out and to get it out in a way that's different than to just talk to a therapist and like the words float away into nothingness. To put it into a book, I know that it'll find, even if it's only one person, it'll find someone that needs to read it. And they will experience some kind of healing or some kind of inspiration from it. And therefore that gave my pain a purpose versus me just trying to heal privately. Um, it also just felt like a demon that I needed to have exercised from my body. Like I needed to,

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  I needed to get it out in this way.

• 1:16:19Alex Cooper?

  Do you remember the first time that a man hit you?

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  Yes. I can't, I don't know that I can tell the story. I have to be so careful.

• 1:16:32Alex Cooper?

  No, of course, of course. I guess I could just ask like, once something happens more than once, there's a way that you can almost, I don't want to say like normalize it, but you have, you do.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  You acclimate to it. Yeah.

• 1:16:46Alex Cooper?

  When it happened the first time,

• 1:16:50Alex Cooper?

  do you remember your reaction and like how you handled it and moved?

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I fawned. That was my initial reaction, the freeze, fight,

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  flight, fawn. Fawning is like, it's a combination of freezing and then also attempting to soothe the other person. So that was my initial reaction. And it was very, it was definitely shocking. But like I said, I almost immediately compartmentalized it and went into the like took on, went into nurturing the other person to like calm the situation and I don't know, I just, I just took it on as my own burden right away instead of.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Feeling the trauma.

• 1:17:36Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm. But I think that's like really relatable and that's how fucked up it is to be a woman like we're trained to like make men feel like you're it's okay like make them feel comfortable also because I think it's a survival mechanism because if you can deescalate a situation with a man you you don't know how much farther that was gonna go so our brain goes to it's like I was talking to my therapist about this the other day she was like I call it like the blowjob effect it's like when you're about to get sexually abused or something's about to happen it's like you can rationalize like okay if I just give him a blowjob that will stop me from having to have sex with him and then people will shame you of like you gave him a oh so then but so you did do it's like you don't know what's gonna happen they could have a gun they could

• 1:18:19Alex Cooper?

  try to fucking kill you we we know what men are capable of and so there's moments where it's just survival again I think it's such a privileged standpoint when people would be like what do you mean you soothed him I know exactly what you mean you immediately go into survival mode of how do I completely deescalate the situation

• 1:18:39Alex Cooper?

  the poem you wrote called rape

• 1:18:43Alex Cooper?

  did anyone in your life know that you had survived that type of sexual abuse before you wrote this poem?

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Not my parents or like my family but people that I've been with like have known yeah.

• 1:18:59Alex Cooper?

  Did your family reach out to you once the book came out?

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:03Alex Cooper?

  Interesting.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:05Alex Cooper?

  Did that shock you?

• 1:19:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:10Alex Cooper?

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:19:11Speaker 01

  That's okay I mean that's.

• 1:19:14Alex Cooper?

  But that's telling of the relationship.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Yeah that's that perfectly reflects as I would anticipate it too yeah.

• 1:19:21Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna move on to your relationship a little bit.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Mister MGK.

• 1:19:44Alex Cooper?

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• 1:22:40Alex Cooper?

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• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:22:54Alex Cooper?

  Mr. MGK, obviously, this book has a lot of heavy topics. And I know you clarified on multiple interviews you did, like, I'm not just writing about one person, I'm talking about my life experience. But how did that book just like, impact your relationship in the moment? Did it open wounds? Did you have to have a lot of conversations? Like, I can imagine it was tough.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and because some of the poems are about him, and they're obviously about him, like,

• 1:23:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  A 32-year-old narcissist's attempts to quantify his crimes is very, is about him, and he knows it's about him. And there are other ones, like Ghost of Christmas Future, obviously about him. But I also didn't really write anything about him that he hasn't said about himself in his own music. However, that doesn't make it any less sensitive for him to experience me writing about it. Because obviously, he feels in control when he's telling his own story, or even like, maybe he's able to hide behind the music a little bit, even though he's saying all the same things.

• 1:23:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  It felt different in, in this format. So obviously, he would have to be asked for his experience. But it was not easy. And I think he was like, really nervous and, and worried, because there's a lot of explosive content in the book, obviously. And there was some fear there. And also, I mean, some of them are about him and are savage.

• 1:24:23Alex Cooper?

  They are, Meghan. They definitely are. They're. Go read the book, everyone. I feel like everyone has such like an opinion on your guys' relationships. You you know, you got engaged, then I think it was called off, then we don't know what's going on with you. Like, how would you describe your relationship with MGK?

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Um, I think that what I've learned from being in this relationship is that it's not for public consumption. So I think as of now, I don't have a comment on like the status of the relationship per se. What I can say is that is what I refer to as being my twin soul. And there will always be a tether to him, no matter what. I I can't say for sure what the capacity will be, but I will always be connected to him somehow. Beyond that, I'm not willing to explain. But all those things you said were accurate, things that have occurred. And I could see them being confusing or interesting to people and them being like,

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  what's up?

• 1:25:29Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I think the reality is like, reading your book, I was like, holy fuck, this is. S- some of this is traumatizing. This is scary. This is sad. This is really relatable. Like, I think, and I think that's what you just explained, you wanted to do with the book is like, I think a lot of women, which is unfortunate and sad for us as women, that a lot of people can be like, uh huh, I've experienced that and that and that. And I think what's sad is like, so many people probably don't know how many women have gone through that. How many women have normalized getting hit or getting verbally, physically, emotionally abused? Like, it's

• 1:26:14Alex Cooper?

  it's everywhere. It's one in three women. Like, it's so fucking prevalent. And I think our culture likes to just turn a blind eye and pretend it's not happening. So like, I appreciate you writing the book, but I agree. I think a lot of people are like, You you okay? Like, are we still in this relationship? And that's for you to decide. Like, I don't think, I think you're right. It's like for no, everyone fuck off. You're gonna decide what you're gonna do. And also, he gets to write his fucking music.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:42Alex Cooper?

  And I think you, as an actor, it's not like you get to be like, let's change this role to be more like that. Like, this is a, an expression for you that I bet was like, healing in a way to be like, ugh, put it out and let it go.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. It also is written just from the, like, one angle of my perspective, meaning this was me being like, I'm writing this from my anger of all these men, all these experiences that I have had. It's not an objective view of my roles in the relationship. Like I said, like, I failed many times inside the different relationships and was not a flawless.

• 1:27:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  I, I was not a pure victim. Like, I did plenty of things and provoked plenty of things, not in terms of violence, but like, I provoked pain or issues inside the relationship as well with my behavior. But the book was not written in a holistic way. It was written from my anger and my pain needed to speak. And that's what the book is.

• 1:27:41Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Okay. I have a couple more fun questions.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:46Alex Cooper?

  First of all, because we're gonna transition and help the girlies out.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:50Alex Cooper?

  How have you gotten to a place in your life where you do not give a fuck about what other people think in their opinions?

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  I have not gotten to that place in my life.

• 1:28:00Alex Cooper?

  Wait, Megan, I thought you did.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:28:02Alex Cooper?

  No, no, we still care.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  No, I, I, I, I guess, like I said earlier, it is a thing of like, I would never change anything about myself to appease someone.

• 1:28:13Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Like publicly, I would never do that. I actually had to, one time, during, Brian was in a custody case with his, his child and as, as sometimes a part of those, a, a part of the process is everybody has to do a psych evaluation. So all four adults had to go undergo psychiatric evaluations. And mine came back. And they took note of the fact that I was one of the only people that had never attempted to slant the test. Because it's human nature to want your best self to be seen. So when people are being tested, it's often that they will not lie per se, but mislead or like

• 1:28:54Alex Cooper?

  Massage it.

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  Present a truth that isn't entirely accurate out of wanting to be liked. And I don't have that function or that mechanism. So I, they took note of the fact that that was completely absent from my, my psych evaluation, but not in a like sociopath way. But in a way, where I'm just not somebody who's gonna bend unless I, I'm, I'm only doing what I believe in the end. Like, that will never change. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt my feelings. When people spew venom or negativity or hatred towards me, I'm very permeable, actually, because I'm very sensitive. And yes, I've been wearing that armor, but the armor is heavy.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  And a- at a certain point in my life, I, I was down to get some blood on my blade and like go to war if I needed to. But I'm tired now and it's, it's actually wearing on me a lot in this particular moment. For whatever reason, things are coming to a head for me and I'm not in a place where I don't give a single fuck. I do get hurt. That won't change who I am and how I am and how I speak and how I proceed with my life. But I do still feel the pain of that.

• 1:30:10Alex Cooper?

  How do you as a mother handle knowing people are like, like gonna try to get at your kids through you and knowing you? Like, are you paranoid at all with that?

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I lose a lot of sleep about that, especially because at least one of them is I know gonna be. In the public, probably all three of them. They're like drop dead gorgeous kids and I, you know, they're both of their parents are actors and in this industry. So it's likely that they're gonna have some type of public platform at a, at a certain point. I, I worry about that every day.

• 1:30:45Alex Cooper?

  Do you talk to them about that yet?

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Not yet. My oldest is eleven and my kids were not allowed. They weren't raised with screens. And they don't have iPads or anything like that at my house or phones. Aveng- I can't keep that up forever. Eventually that will happen. I'm trying to delay it as long as possible, but when they get a little bit older, it's still too early and it's also, I don't wanna put the weight of my experience on them.

• 1:31:10Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  I want them to have their own experience and I don't want to preload it by being like, this is all the suffering that mommy's been through. This is how the world treats mommy. You know mommy's never been loved. Mommy's always been bullied. Mommy's always, mommy doesn't belong. Like they don't need to feel that. So I haven't found the right way to talk to them about that, but I will have to with certainty. And yes, I lose a lot of sleep about that. Somebody should ask Brian that question. He's, he, he, he's watched me cry so many times. He's always like, are you okay? Because every school meeting, I'm just weeping, like I'm always crying because I know what's coming and I'm not able to live in this moment because I know

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  what's ahead and I'm, I'm not prepared emotionally to have to do it. I can't do it.

• 1:31:58Alex Cooper?

  It's a lot.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:00Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you're gonna give the girls-

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  I thought you said they were fun.

• 1:32:02Alex Cooper?

  It's right here, right here, right here.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:32:06Alex Cooper?

  You are funny, by the way.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:32:08Alex Cooper?

  We should do like a part two where we only talk about funny shit. We just let you go. Okay. I wanna get your take on a couple of scenarios, okay? What would you say to someone who, and then like it's a girl going through it, okay? This girl sees a hot guy at a bar, but is too nervous to go up to him and make the first move. What would you say to her?

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  It's not gonna be worth it anyway.

• 1:32:31Alex Cooper?

  back in

• 1:32:34Speaker 01

  it's not

• 1:32:36Alex Cooper?

  you're like you're the same bitch that's getting fucking come in your mouth like go home

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  it's not gonna be

• 1:32:40Alex Cooper?

  go home it's not gonna be good would you ever go up and approach a guy

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  I can't be bothered it's not what do they give you really what do you get out of it really I'm sorry have you ever gotten a magical dick have you ever been gotten a sacred dicking down where you're like a better human afterwards have you because if you have please tell please tell me but in my experience that's not what happens and it's not worth the drama that they bring and they cause it's not worth it your dick needs to be in direct proportion to the drama that you cause and if it's not then you need to fuck the fuck off

• 1:33:27Alex Cooper?

  oh my they'd be so little or they'd be huge there would be no like medium boyfriend sized dicks anymore

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  right

• 1:33:35Alex Cooper?

  wait how did you meet Coulson did he go up to you oh no oh no

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  no for the audience I did not connect to those things so I just want to make sure

• 1:33:46Alex Cooper?

  okay

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  that those that's on an ongoing continuation of a sentence

• 1:33:50Alex Cooper?

  yeah yeah yeah yes yes yes yes but how did you meet him

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  I met him I met him on set and we were in a scene

• 1:33:57Alex Cooper?

  oh right right the music video

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  no no no it was before that we were doing a movie that will forever be upset that we're we met on the set of that movie but we were doing a scene and um I had seen his picture before he showed up and I knew just from his picture I was like I recognized that person and then I looked in his eyes and I was like oh yeah it's you I've known you for thousands of years so we were in a situation where it wasn't really about one person coming up to the other

• 1:34:24Alex Cooper?

  got it

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  he's very shy and he's he'll tell you he's very awkward as well so he's not somebody who like picks up girls he's just gorgeous and a famous musician so he gets them easily but if if he was not famous he would be struggling because he's not he's not good at that he isn't he's a brilliant musician he's not good at picking up girls or conversations

• 1:34:48Alex Cooper?

  are you good at it

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  I would say that's so subjective. But no, I don't think I'm good at it because I don't like to, I don't fl- I see how girls flirt. I don't like, I can't be bothered to do that. I also ask them questions they've never been asked before that they don't want to answer or like.

• 1:35:08Alex Cooper?

  Like what?

• 1:35:08Speaker 01

  Like the questions you're asking me and shit we're talking about now where I'm like, what's your deepest mother wound? Like no, no guy likes to talk about that shit, especially right away when they don't know you.

• 1:35:20Alex Cooper?

  Right, you're like, let's talk about what happened, what happened in the childhood, they're like huh?

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, what are you most traumatized by? What's your weirdest fetish? What's your like, yeah, they don't, they don't like to feel exposed, so I'm not a good.

• 1:35:34Alex Cooper?

  You're not a good.

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  I'm not good at that because they just want you to be pretty and really dumb. And I don't like to play that game.

• 1:35:42Alex Cooper?

  I agree. What if a girl keeps comparing herself to her best friend? How do you stop comparing yourself to women?

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  That's a great question. I don't know that I've ever been in that, you mean it from like a standpoint of jealousy comparing to or and more of like an envy? Because there's so many, it could have a venomous element or it could just be like, wow, I'm really proud of my best friend. I wish I could get my shit together and be like that. There's different aspects to it. One, I think is not necessarily unhealthy to be inspired by your friend and to take notes and want to move in that direction, but if it's unhealthy and it's toxic, I don't know that I have great advice, like you have to start working on yourself and because you have insecurities and things that you, you need to heal and

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  probably desires need to be satiated and all of these other things that, that you need to work on because jealousy will always be there with your friend or with just all others.

• 1:36:42Alex Cooper?

  Socks. Okay, what if a girl is hung up on a guy who ghosted her after a date? What do we do, Megan?

• 1:36:52Speaker 01

  I don't know. I can't be friends with that person.

• 1:36:57Alex Cooper?

  You can't be friends with the girl?

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  No. No, what do you mean?

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  Is that rude? I can't be friends with that person. She's upset after she went on a date with a guy one time and he ghosted her and she still is obsessing over him?

• 1:37:16Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:37:18Alex Cooper?

  You can't be friends with her.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  I can't do that.

• 1:37:21Alex Cooper?

  That wasn't the question.

• 1:37:24Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I cannot be friends with her.

• 1:37:28Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, I'm peeing. Oh, we were not friends with her.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Okay, what about a girl that's too afraid to tell her partner that she's never had an orgasm?

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  Well, you gotta just, you gotta do that. You gotta, you gotta say that. That's, that is, I feel like all of us have been in that position at one time or another. That is not worth living like that, though. You cannot, what is the fear? That he's gonna feel so insecure? Or so overwhelmed?

• 1:38:01Alex Cooper?

  How would you do it?

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  Is the question specifically, I've never had an orgasm with you, or I've never had an orgasm?

• 1:38:08Alex Cooper?

  With you.

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  That's a different question. I think, how long has it been?

• 1:38:15Alex Cooper?

  I'm making this up.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  Well, if it's been a week versus 10 years, that's a different conversation.

• 1:38:19Alex Cooper?

  It's been like a year.

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's a long time, because now you're a liar.

• 1:38:29Speaker 01

  That's, that's a long time to keep up that lie.

• 1:38:32Alex Cooper?

  Cause now you're a fucking liar, you cunt.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  No, but now you have to answer for, well, why have you been lying for a year? Like, don't let it get to that point. I understand the fear of being intimidated or worrying or whatever. You can't live like that. You have to understand that, eh? Orgasm, if he's entitled to an orgasm, you are entitled to an orgasm. The end. So don't let anything, any kind of fear talk you out of being able to speak that truth. This is your body and orgasms actually keep women very healthy. It's a vitamin. And you have to prioritize that. So don't be afraid. And if he has a problem with that, he is not for you. And I promise you, the dick wasn't that good anyway. Obviously, because you're not coming.

• 1:39:16Alex Cooper?

  Amen. Okay, Meghan, last question. What do you think this next chapter of your life will look like for you? I feel like you're about to disappear. This is the last we ever saw Megan Fox.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  I'm on like the cliff of that. I don't, I don't know. I'm either gonna really have some kind of like breakthrough where I do transcend into some like blissful, higher level of consciousness, or find some kind of purpose, being in service to people, or I will disappear again. I feel like I handled that wrong the first time, though, and I regret some of those years that I lost. So I don't think I'll repeat that. However, I am on the precipice of what am I about to do? And I don't know.

• 1:39:57Alex Cooper?

  Well, we'll be looking for you. Megan Fox, thank you so much for calling me on Call or Daddy. This was overdue, and it was perfect. Thank you.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  Thank you for staying up so late.

• 1:40:08Alex Cooper?

  It's midnight.

• 1:40:26Alex Cooper?

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• 1:41:11Alex Cooper?

  to drink that. And he's like, okay, what do I want? I literally get him a cup of ice, and I just poured tequila in it, and I was like, here, drink what I drink. That was just my lazy way of saying, like, I don't know how to make any of that, sir, but smile, and everything's gonna be okay. I mean, he gave me a fat tip. Work smarter, not harder. But today, I don't need to be a mixologist. I have the two ingredients that I need. I'm actually gonna add a third soda water. Revolutionary. This cocktail calls for two ounces of Patron Tequila. Boom. Today, I am using the Reposado. I'm a Reposado girl. Next, we are gonna do the kiwi pineapple Unwell hydration. This is gonna be the drink of summer, I can already feel it. We're gonna fill it up almost to the top with Unwell,

• 1:41:55Alex Cooper?

  and we're gonna do a splash of Club Soda. I'm someone that likes a little bit of bubbly, but not too much. Wait, so sexy. We're gonna do a little douse, a little bit of, and now kiwi. Yeah, I got fresh kiwi for this. Oh wait, you guys, you know how bartenders do that, where it's like a little... Wait, does that look cute? Was this unnecessary? Yes, with tequila. You're gonna need a little bit of that pineapple. Oh my god. I mean, gorge. Does that look so bad? Maybe we'll put it in there. Is that weird to put it in there? I'm gonna put a globber. I'm gonna put a piece of pineapple in my drink. That looks disgusting. Cut this. This literally makes me think about my wedding.

• 1:42:40Alex Cooper?

  I kept having Patron and just like a splash of pineapple, because when you're on the beach, like, I feel like that's all you want. Well, this is delicious. And on the side of your Patron, a little guacamole. Never hurts. Daddy gang, thank you so much for making this drink with me and Patron. I'm so excited for you guys. Tag me if you make this cocktail, tell me what you think. I kinda was born to be a bartender, let's not lie. Cheers, thanks Patron, love ya. The perfect way to enjoy Patron is responsibly. Copyright 2025, imported by the Patron Spirits Company, Coral Gables, Florida, tequila, 40% ABV. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something. When I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat,

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