Fraud Friday: The Impostrous Influencer w/ Jameela Jamil

In this week’s Fraud Friday, Jameela Jamil (The Good Place, She-Hulk: Attorney at Law) joins Laci in studio to discuss the basics on THE BASIC- Caroline Calloway. They dig into Jameela's earliest stint teaching English, and both become very afraid when they learn how fortune tellers scam their clients out of money. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 03/30/2020) CON-gregation, catch Laci's new TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Jameela Jamil: @jameelajamil Research By Sharilyn Vera. SOURCES: The CUT – The story of Caroline Calloway and her ghost writer Natalie VICE — Influencer Caroline Calloway Isn’t a Scammer, Just a Self-Obsessed Mess Caroline’s instagram- (where she is currently spiraling) https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/caroline-calloway-instagram-influencer-tour-canceled-scam https://www.wmagazine.com/story/caroline-calloway-creativity-workshop https://www.pajiba.com/web_culture/the-case-of-caroline-calloway-and-her-creativity-workshop-tour.php https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3wwy4/cambridges-most-controversial-instagram-celebrity-gets-the-last-laugh

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• 1:59Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:40Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and we're back for another installment of, yes, Scam Goddess. I named the show after me. I am so excited for our guest today. She is a queen, like she came in and the energy just changed in the whole studio, honey. We got Ms. Jamila Jamil. You've seen her on The Good Place, you've seen her on all the things, you've seen her on all of the internet, honey.

• 3:05Laci Mosley?

  A woke queen. Hello, Jamila, how are you?

• 3:08Speaker 05

  Hi, I'm alright, how are you? Thanks for having me.

• 3:10Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for being here, yes, sis. And looking all cute, too, honey. Y'all can't hear how cute, can y'all hear how cute she look?

• 3:15Speaker 05

  No, no one can.

• 3:17Laci Mosley?

  You can't, you already got the accent. I love a, uh, I love an accent, as a scammer.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  I love your accent.

• 3:22Laci Mosley?

  What part of, uh, do you carry from?

• 3:23Speaker 05

  I'm from London.

• 3:24Laci Mosley?

  Ah, wait, where in London?

• 3:26Speaker 05

  Notting Hill, the most London part of London.

• 3:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, is she cute? Okay.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  I moved there because of the film.

• 3:32Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 3:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, literally, I moved there because of the film.

• 3:35Laci Mosley?

  It's so cute there.

• 3:36Speaker 05

  So cute.

• 3:36Laci Mosley?

  I love that, they have that market, right? Like that, uh, yes, I love the Portobello Market. I lived there for a few months. Not Notting Hill, I lived in Ealing, which is like outside, but we would train into London every day and like work and shit.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  Why were you there?

• 3:49Laci Mosley?

  You know, honestly, probably scams, now that I think about it. I went as a study abroad for like four months, but it turned into scams.

• 3:58Speaker 05

  Oh, great.

• 3:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I ran a theater there, um...

• 4:03Speaker 05

  Oh my god, I love this. You'll catch me if you can.

• 4:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I was nineteen.

• 4:06Speaker 05

  Is that your favourite film?

• 4:08Laci Mosley?

  No, but it is up there. You know what I mean? Like, I've I've found some scammers a little more impressive than Leonardo, but in that movie, but I did enjoy that one.

• 4:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:16Laci Mosley?

  But no, so I lived there and I um operated a theatre because I was nineteen at the time and the woman who ran the theatre was like really obsessed with marrying her boyfriend, who I guess was like in a class above her or something like that. And eventually she just stopped coming to work and she just gave me the keys and just would not come.

• 4:33Speaker 05

  So as a teenager, you were running a theatre?

• 4:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 4:36Speaker 05

  Jesus.

• 4:37Laci Mosley?

  It was very fun.

• 4:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:39Laci Mosley?

  A little stressful. You know, sometimes people come calling for bill payment and things and I was like, I don't know how to.

• 4:44Speaker 05

  Were you genuinely scamming at that time?

• 4:46Laci Mosley?

  Um, I didn't know that I was, but I think that I was.

• 4:49Speaker 05

  I was nineteen when I pulled my first scam.

• 4:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, what was that?

• 4:52Speaker 05

  I, oh. I got, I lied about becoming, well, no, I wanted to become an English teacher and I lied that I had an education, but I didn't. I left school at sixteen. I got hit by a car and like broke in, I got hit by one car into another car, broke my back and uh didn't have any education. But I have this accent that makes me sound like I have an education.

• 5:14Laci Mosley?

  You do sound, you are very smart.

• 5:16Speaker 05

  No, I'm not. I'm really not. It's just the accent. Uh, and so I used that accent and lied about which university I'd been to, lied about my age and became an English teacher, a fucking English teacher. I was responsible with other people's minds and education.

• 5:32Laci Mosley?

  Now, was this in America?

• 5:33Speaker 05

  In England.

• 5:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  On Oxford Street.

• 5:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's fancy.

• 5:39Speaker 05

  It was wild. And so it kicked off my career and it was there that I was like hanging out with all these other teachers who were all in their thirties and forties, who were twice my age. I was in a pub and that's where a producer discovered me and I ended up getting a job on television. But I, like, it's totally, like, illegal, I think, what I did.

• 5:57Laci Mosley?

  Hmm, I don't know. I don't know about.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  They should have done a background check on me. That's not my fault. That's their fault.

• 6:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but you weren't a criminal. You just didn't have the degree. And if the kids.

• 6:06Speaker 05

  I did a little lie.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  Were the kids learning?

• 6:09Speaker 05

  Some things.

• 6:11Laci Mosley?

  Maybe things that they didn't come there to learn, but you know, everyone, there's a lot of foul

• 6:14Speaker 05

  language that I think a lot of people have inherited from me. But yeah, no, I was about nineteen when I, I started my sort of pathological lying.

• 6:21Laci Mosley?

  I love that. I love a scam origin story. And also that means that you were supposed to be there. That all was

• 6:25Speaker 05

  It was a hustle.

• 6:26Laci Mosley?

  kismet. Hell, yeah. And that's all we do in this industry, especially is hustle. And I'm sure every kid who got blessed to learn English from you is like, oh, my God, Jamila Jamila was my English teacher. They're probably so happy about that.

• 6:37Speaker 05

  I don't know. We'll see.

• 6:38Laci Mosley?

  I would be happy about that.

• 6:39Speaker 05

  Parents are thrilled.

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  Now, can they read? I don't know.

• 6:43Speaker 05

  I don't know. I, I shouldn't have done it. I don't know what the fuck I was doing. I just knew that I didn't want to go back to school. I would have done anything. I would have lied.

• 6:49Laci Mosley?

  You went back to school, though?

• 6:51Speaker 05

  No.

• 6:52Laci Mosley?

  Didn't you teach at the school?

• 6:53Speaker 05

  Well, I went back to school to teach, but I've never learned anything. I don't know. I don't read. I don't know anything. I just have this accent.

• 6:59Laci Mosley?

  I find this so hard to believe. Jamila is a good scammer. I've read things that you posted online. You definitely read and you are definitely very smart.

• 7:06Speaker 05

  I read essays sometimes, but I can't read a book. I have no attention span. I'm a scumbag. I'm a trash-filled scumbag. It actually feels really good to just say this out loud and get this off my chest. I'm so fucking tired of pretending that I know anything. It's good to be here with you. Thank you for this moment.

• 7:26Laci Mosley?

  This is a safe space. Yes, sis. Well, uh, speaking of, speaking of scams, was that a bad segue? Y'all don't tell me, okay? I'm tired of y'all tweeting me notes about this show. You hear me? All right. So guys, what's hot in front? I'm gonna tell Jamila, uh, actually, we have a listener letter and I'm gonna call her Lyskankisha. And, uh, for those of you who know who Lyskankisha is, you're welcome. Um, it's a band. But, uh, Lyskankisha says, Dear scam goddess, love the show. It's a highlight of my week. Okay, I'm not gonna read all that. Um, but thank you. Okay, so this is a story that I swore I would never tell anyone. Oh, but you already tell this, sis? Okay, spill it. But I think you'll appreciate

• 8:11Laci Mosley?

  it. And I'm gonna break my promise. And I don't think the person listens to your show anyway, and that's his loss. Well, damn, sis, read. Okay. So I used to work. Work with this guy um whose sole purpose in life seemed to be to try to get attention from girls on Tinder at bars. So then he could brag about his exploits at work.

• 8:27Speaker 05

  Ooh, okay.

• 8:28Laci Mosley?

  Likely trying to compensate for the fact that he was a dead ringer from Stinky from Hey Arnold. Damn, ooh, you don't like this man? He had a method where he would swipe right on every single person on Tinder because in his mind, this would allow him the maximum number of matches and thus have the best chance of getting someone. Okay, I've heard a lot of guys do that.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:45Laci Mosley?

  Like they'll just swipe right on everyone.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  They don't even look at the screens. My friends don't even look at the screens. They're just throwing out a wide net.

• 8:51Laci Mosley?

  I mean, honestly, love is a numbers game.

• 8:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, I agree.

• 8:55Laci Mosley?

  I treat it like the casino. I'm like, okay, I only need to be at the table for an hour and in fifteen minutes, I'mma get hot. I used to not date at all. I didn't date for seven years and my mom was like, you uh should probably start dating people.

• 9:07Speaker 05

  How old were you?

• 9:08Laci Mosley?

  I'm twenty eight.

• 9:09Speaker 05

  No, how old were you?

• 9:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, uh, where was I when?

• 9:11Speaker 05

  When you weren't dating?

• 9:12Laci Mosley?

  Till now.

• 9:14Speaker 05

  Oh, twenty, so twenty one to twenty eight?

• 9:15Laci Mosley?

  Twenty one to twenty eight, yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 05

  I mean, I didn't have my first kiss till I was twenty one, so I feel like it's okay to just move at your own pace.

• 9:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 9:22Speaker 05

  Why did you not date?

• 9:23Laci Mosley?

  Cause I was busy.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  Fair.

• 9:25Laci Mosley?

  I was trying to get to the money.

• 9:26Speaker 05

  Well, look at where you are now. That's it. You were dating the money.

• 9:30Laci Mosley?

  But now I'm like, I need uh someone that I can love and also maybe will be my assistant.

• 9:39Speaker 05

  You know what? You're so hot. I actually think you could find this in this town. Truly. It's outrageous.

• 9:45Laci Mosley?

  Wait, oh, do you know, you don't have to tell us, but are you dating around now?

• 9:48Speaker 05

  I'm dating. I'm dating, but I've been with the same person for five years.

• 9:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay.

• 9:52Speaker 05

  We are happy and so, yeah, I'm off the market. Thank God, cause I have like.

• 9:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the market is bad, honey.

• 9:57Speaker 05

  I just like, I don't have the skills sexually, romantically. I just can't be out there.

• 10:03Laci Mosley?

  It's a lot, honestly, truly. And like, this guy is the main reason I'm concerned. Like, he's swiping right on everybody.

• 10:10Speaker 05

  So what did she do?

• 10:11Laci Mosley?

  So, she says, an important thing to note is that I seem to have earned a reputation probably from all the shady shit I did in my past. Okay, sis, read yourself. That I'm the person you call for advice if you happen to find yourself wrapped up in some shady shit or need a shady favor. Okay, so you're the better call Saul about your friends. I love it. Fair. Okay, so she says, I had a reputation. For not being a snitch and I'm ruining it right now. Okay, so let's get to the story. I'm skipping a lot of this. He was texting with a girl he met on Tinder and they got to sexting naturally, you know, A plus B equals D. And eventually she sent nudes, so he sent some nudes in return, because that's the hospitable thing to do, right? And every guy is sending nudes. I feel like you don't even have to take a fresh nude if you're a man, she's out here got him, right? I hope y'all taking better nudes than you used to, okay? No dirty bathroom, you know, maybe.

• 10:55Speaker 05

  No underneath angle with the veins. We don't want to see that.

• 10:59Laci Mosley?

  No, and add a pin cap for sale.

• 11:01Speaker 05

  Balls. Yeah, I just don't want, I don't want it.

• 11:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, oh, no, yeah, you gotta make sure it's manscaped, y'all. Don't be sending the rough stuff. Or at least go in the editing app. There's too many airbrushers out here. Throw a little filter on your balls, okay?

• 11:12Speaker 05

  A little Facetune, Dick Tune?

• 11:16Laci Mosley?

  We need to make Dick Tune. We could make so much money.

• 11:19Speaker 05

  We would make so much money. Also, everyone would benefit from that. Obviously, I'm against Photoshop, but not in this instance.

• 11:25Laci Mosley?

  But only like, it would only enhance like, hmm, I don't know, see, because now I'm, now I worry, like, you send an enhanced stick and you get there and you see the real one and it's not.

• 11:33Speaker 05

  False advertising. Okay. All right. So, okay, so what does she do?

• 11:37Laci Mosley?

  So, they're sending nudes. A few exchanges after this, he gets a text from the girl's father or stepfather. Oh my god, guys, I have talked about this scam before. It came back. I should have skimmed this further. Okay. Guys, this is the scam where you send nudes to a woman. Guys, we've talked about this. And then the father in quotes responds to the nudes. And says, you're sending these to an underage girl and then extorts money from you so that they don't go to the police.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  I've heard about this sort of thing. A friend of mine recently went through something like this where he, um, he got a message on Facebook Messenger from a woman and she looked really hot in her profile picture and she was just like, hi, I'm friends with a friend of yours. I think you're really cute. I would love to connect with you. And so they start messaging with each other and things heat up very quickly. And then she's like, I really want to do a FaceTime phone call with you.

• 12:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  So he's like, okay. Okay, so he agrees the FaceTime phone call. He opens up the window when the call goes through and she's there like furiously masturbating on camera.

• 12:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 12:48Speaker 05

  Right at the like legs akimbo, open masturbating at the camera, almost about to orgasm.

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  Did she ask where he was?

• 12:55Speaker 05

  And no, and she was just like, exactly, no. And so he was like, well, shit, I guess it would be rude to just leave her hanging. So he, you know, starts masturbating back at her. Yeah, this is someone I know, by the way, uh, was masturbating back at her. And then suddenly the camera swerves from her onto this guy. And he's like, that's it. We have a video of you masturbating and we're gonna send this video to all of your people in your contact list. Unless you go to the bank and wire one thousand dollars to me right now.

• 13:27Laci Mosley?

  No, so even on FaceTime, they're getting people.

• 13:30Speaker 05

  FaceTime and Facebook is where they come in and they like, you know, cause you can reach anyone on Facebook.

• 13:35Laci Mosley?

  That's so true.

• 13:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, dating scams are so scary and this nudity shit is so scary. I don't have pictures of my tits on my internet.

• 13:43Laci Mosley?

  I don't.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  Because I, I just worried that it would just get out there. Anything I had taken back in the past, I stand by those photographs. Like I sent those pictures because my tits look good, damn it, you know?

• 13:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's a blessing. Honestly, like nudes of me younger will always be like, I won't mind if the tit picked. But I actually don't take nudes. I've always been really weird about it because I've been nervous about them being shared. A guy asked some guy on TV, the TV actors, blah, um, I'm one of them and I'm still like, God. He was like, send me nudes. And he's like semi famous. And I sent him a picture of my face and I drew a stick sexy body on the bottom.

• 14:21Laci Mosley?

  And the body was sexy. I was like, now you go ahead and have you some fun with this stick figure body, but bitch, I ain't sending you my titties. I don't know what you think this is, sir.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  No, I, well, I've, yeah, I've been in long term relationships for most of my twenties. No, no, but also therefore like they're gonna see you later.

• 14:34Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 14:35Speaker 05

  What are you doing?

• 14:36Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  There's no point.

• 14:37Laci Mosley?

  And also, this is casual. Like, come on, dude.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  I like it's a good dating scam. I've got one other dating scam I know about. Can I tell you about it? So this is again someone I know. I know, cause I am a scumbag, I know other scumbags. So there's this guy that I am friends with. For some reason, loosely friends with. And he has a friend who's a male model, but who's married with a wife. And so he was like, listen, I need a Facebook account to tie my Tinder account to. You are handsome and taken, so it's a waste of your fucking face. So can I use your profile to attach to my Tinder? So I can at least engage women in conversations, cause they won't even swipe right on me ever. So his friend agreed.

• 15:16Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 15:17Speaker 05

  He started using this guy's face. And the friend never thought it would go anywhere. And he starts to suddenly get loads of matches. So he starts to charm and get to know these women, cause this guy is funny and he's smart, as often the people who are the most rejected can be. Do the work. They can't rely on their face. They have great personalities. They're often very good at kindlingus. Uh, you know, you never know.

• 15:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gotta put in the work.

• 15:37Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 15:38Laci Mosley?

  I once dated a man who looked like a pit bull and boy, he had other skills.

• 15:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. Some of the best kisses I've ever kissed were the people who didn't look like they'd be good kisses. Wonderful. So what he does is he gets to know women very well and they develop these amazing camaraderie, like back and forth and uh, they start to develop kind of a relationship over the internet. And what he does is he arranges to meet them. He does this again and again and again. He may, arranges to meet them at the same bar. And he sits at the bar while they sit at a table and they're waiting for the male model to turn up.

• 16:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 16:08Speaker 05

  And after about twenty five minutes, obviously he's not shown.

• 16:10Laci Mosley?

  This is starting to feel like you.

• 16:12Speaker 05

  Kids. Uh, I know. And, and so he waits until they feel completely stood up. Cause obviously his friend isn't coming. His friend's away with his wife.

• 16:20Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 16:20Speaker 05

  They feel stood up, stood up. So their self-esteem is dropping with every minute that goes by that they're being stood up. And so what he'll do is after about twenty minutes, when it looks like she's about to leave, he'll approach her and be like, hey, sorry, um. Are you sitting on your own? Do you mind if I join you? And then sits down and already knows everything about them? And charms the shit out of them? So then they are kind of falling for him because this, what this, you, you've been rejected by this one man.

• 16:47Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 16:47Speaker 05

  This other man turns up who's in awe of you because he's less attractive than you, I guess. And he seems to have so much in common with you.

• 16:53Laci Mosley?

  He's the catfish pick-up artist.

• 16:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god.

• 16:57Speaker 05

  And it works. And he gets sex that way.

• 17:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 17:01Speaker 05

  I haven't seen him in years, but I heard that he was doing that. And I was like, it's disgraceful. But there's a tiny part of me that respects the hustle. It's a lot of legwork.

• 17:10Laci Mosley?

  That is a lot of work. The only thing that gets me about that is it does feel a little stalkery.

• 17:15Speaker 05

  It's disgusting. No, it's disgusting. He's a pig.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  He's preying on people. And I want to think he's a nice guy and he's just like, but I don't know if he is. That seems like a bad guy move.

• 17:24Speaker 05

  Maybe this is why I don't see him anymore, but.

• 17:26Laci Mosley?

  It's probably a good thing. You shouldn't be seeing him.

• 17:28Speaker 05

  It's a creepy fucking thing to do, isn't it? Why would people be doing this to each other all the time?

• 17:32Laci Mosley?

  Hell yeah.

• 17:33Speaker 05

  How genius to wait till someone's self-esteem has dropped and then swoop in.

• 17:37Laci Mosley?

  Get sadder and sadder. You watch them on the Cosmo and they're on the fourth sip.

• 17:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh no.

• 17:42Speaker 05

  So awful.

• 17:43Laci Mosley?

  That's tragic.

• 17:43Speaker 05

  Anyway, sorry.

• 17:44Laci Mosley?

  Wow, that's a real scam. That's an even better scam than what was called in because we've actually already talked about that. Damn, dawg. So listen, the next time you get stood up, if a gentleman comes around and he seems too familiar.

• 17:55Speaker 05

  He has the same favorite movie as you? Run.

• 17:57Laci Mosley?

  Run, sis.

• 17:58Speaker 05

  Run away.

• 17:58Laci Mosley?

  Because he set you up.

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• 19:02Speaker 02

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 19:17Speaker 07

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you are not alone.

• 19:33Speaker 06

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• 19:39Speaker 02

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• 20:02Laci Mosley?

  Guys, and we're back. And it's time for my favorite segment of the show, guys, historic hoodwink. So this is where I regale Jamila with a very historic hoodwink, and I'll get her opinions. And guys, you have been tweeting me about this for a long time. And I know I took a long time to give it to you, but sometimes good things, you just have to wait. Caroline Callaway. So I asked Jamila earlier if she knew who Caroline was, and she said, no, she doesn't know who Caroline is, so this is gonna be fun. So Caroline is a 28-year-old Instagram influencer with over 700,000 followers. She's a self-described writer, art historian, and teacher. She's first became internet famous for long captions chronicling misadventures as an American undergrad at Cambridge University, and was later known for mysterious dissolution of her big book deal.

• 20:46Laci Mosley?

  Last January, she created a creativity workshop, which was billed as a tutorial to architect a life that feels full, genuine, rich, and beautiful. But the event ended up being compared to a one-woman fire fest. So Caroline made a friend in creative nonfiction workshops at NYU. Her name is Natalie. So Natalie is the friend who wrote this article about her in The Cut. And this is a really popular article, and this is when I first started hearing about this scam. And her name is Natalie Beach. I think Natalie is obsessed with Caroline and kind of just willingly scammed herself.

• 21:20Speaker 05

  Natalie wants to wear Caroline as a lamp.

• 21:22Laci Mosley?

  Skin, yes. So I don't think she got scammed, but you, you can decide for yourself and the listeners can too.

• 21:28Speaker 05

  Did I just say she wants to wear her as a lamp?

• 21:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and it worked for me.

• 21:32Speaker 05

  Okay, I know, I appreciate your, you rolled with it.

• 21:35Laci Mosley?

  I did. I was like, okay, then maybe that's a phrase.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  I really haven't slept. Go on, keep going.

• 21:39Laci Mosley?

  And not inhale, you know?

• 21:40Speaker 05

  Okay, so Natalie's a freak, Caroline's an asshole. Keep going.

• 21:43Laci Mosley?

  That's a perfect summary. So Caroline's always dreamed of being a writer and saw Instagram as a good platform to share her life story. Because you know Instagram, Instagram captions, that's basically like writing a book, right?

• 21:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:58Laci Mosley?

  We've all written a book by now.

• 21:59Speaker 05

  Oh god, I've done some terrible end of the decade ones last year that I just wanted to delete.

• 22:03Laci Mosley?

  Woo, I mean, I think my book is mostly comprised of Drake lyrics, but I'mma still call it an Instagram book. I'mma make a coffee table for you hoes, I got y'all. So Caroline's account was called Adventuregrams and the tag was, "You can have an adventure anywhere if you're curious." Okay sis, I like the branding. So the girls became very close friends. And that December for her 21st birthday, Natalie gave Caroline a gift. Three dinner plates stamped with the Yale crest. When Caroline unwrapped them, she broke into tears, which I was like, huh, why sis? You didn't go to Yale? Um, but later that winter, Caroline nonchalantly informed Natalie that the Yale plates had been stolen out of her apartment along with her graduation ring. Okay, so Natalie says she thought the girl was lying to her but didn't call her out on it.

• 22:48Laci Mosley?

  And then a few weeks later, she saw her wearing her graduation ring, but didn't mention it.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 22:53Laci Mosley?

  This is a weird lie.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  This is very strange.

• 22:56Laci Mosley?

  The gift you gave me were stolen from my apartment. Like, this seems like somebody who just enjoys lying. But I guess if you're a liar, you gotta start warming up. You gotta practice like everything else.

• 23:03Speaker 05

  Start slow, yeah, start small.

• 23:05Laci Mosley?

  Little lies.

• 23:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. If you're used to me lying, how do you know when I'm telling the truth?

• 23:09Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 23:09Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so. Caroline's Instagram, they go on this like Italian vacation. And that summer, um, they leave their hotel in the morning and Caroline would pack several outfits. So that she could pose for days worth of photos in one afternoon. Which I've heard of Instagram influencers doing this in. Cause like if you wear the same outfit, even if you go to a bunch of different places, like bitch, we already saw that outfit, so we need some new fashions.

• 23:31Speaker 05

  God, okay.

• 23:32Laci Mosley?

  So she's traveling around Italy.

• 23:34Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 23:34Laci Mosley?

  Well, that's why I don't get mad at Instagram influencers, cause people get mad at them. And they're like, you know, you don't have a real job, but I'm like, do you know how much work it takes to pretend to life?

• 23:43Speaker 05

  Oh, it's amazing. It's an amazing amount of they are their own publicist, they are their own agent, their own manager. It's wild, their own assistant.

• 23:50Laci Mosley?

  Their own writer. Yes. So Natalie was instructed to find Caroline's best angles and keep the shadow out of the frame, which that's real photography. Like if you got a real good Instagram friend, like I should never see their shadow in your photos.

• 24:04Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And every Instagram friend, like if your friend is not taking fifty photos on rapid flash and different angles, like get you a new friend.

• 24:10Speaker 05

  I've never done any of this.

• 24:12Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 24:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:13Laci Mosley?

  I am shocked. You always be looking so cute in your photos.

• 24:17Speaker 05

  I don't think I do. Normally I'm just swearing at someone on my Instagram. That's it. It's just, I, I photograph tweets in which I'm being belligerent to someone else. I need to up my Instagram game.

• 24:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I feel like I've seen like a beach.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  Genuinely horrendous photographs of me.

• 24:31Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that's every man.

• 24:32Speaker 05

  Six, like I just, it, he just, it's just the top of my head and nothing else. And the top of my head looks specifically like a cat's anus. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

• 24:42Laci Mosley?

  You've seen the top of your head a lot too.

• 24:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, because he fucking photographs it all the time. It's the only, it, it's the angle that I see. Anyway, go on, go on. Okay. So Caroline, the asshole, what's she doing?

• 24:50Laci Mosley?

  So Caroline is satisfied. So she takes all these photos until Caroline's satisfied with the shot. Then they hurry back to the hotel, connect with the wifi and they brainstorm the caption together. So this is what they're doing for a whole summer in Italy.

• 25:03Speaker 05

  Ugh, so dull.

• 25:04Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 25:05Speaker 05

  Jesus, what a dry holiday for Natalie.

• 25:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Natalie was soaking this shit up. And that's how you know Caroline was a charismatic bitch. I told y'all, if you're gonna be a scammer, you gotta have a great personality. You know what I mean? Something to distract the people with. Um, so they end up missing their flight back to the US, but Caroline saved. The day because she spoke a little Italian and she pretty cried in front of the airport staff. And then she sat cross legged on the floor in Milan with her parents' credit card fanned in front of her. So basically she had all the credit cards out and they put a little on the capital and put a little on the um discover. Bit on the mask card. So Natalie offered to spend the summer editing Caroline's Instagram posts to pay her back. Cause Caroline like paid for their flights back. So when the summer ended, Natalie returned to NYU for her final semester.

• 25:50Laci Mosley?

  And Caroline flew to Cambridge University to restart her first semester. In twenty fifteen, Natalie began receiving texts from friends along the lines of, hey, uh, have you seen this Caroline story? Is your Caroline friend, is she famous now? Caroline got an agent. So this is like the earlier days of Instagram, right? So like when ninety thousand followers was considered to be like probably a lot. You know what I mean? Like ninety thousand now is like a medium level like influencer, which like now brands are targeting micro influencers. So if you have like thirty K or up, they'll like.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  Story about Caroline that's going around.

• 26:23Laci Mosley?

  So the story is is that they know, like basically everyone who follows Natalie on Instagram maybe also follows Caroline. And now they're seeing like her followers are growing. Now she's around ninety thousand, a hundred thousand followers, which at the time was like a lot.

• 26:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:36Laci Mosley?

  So they're texting Natalie and they're like, oh, uh, your friend, she's famous. So now Caroline got an agent. Who has the same agent who represents fat Jewish, Kat Marnell, and we didn't know at the time, but also Donald Trump.

• 26:48Speaker 05

  Lovely.

• 26:49Laci Mosley?

  Donald Trump has an Instagram agent.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 26:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, this man.

• 26:54Speaker 05

  He's a Twitter agent.

• 26:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh God, truly, truly, he needs a filter.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  That man's phone away.

• 26:59Laci Mosley?

  So it's been ages since they last spoke at this point and Natalie reached out to Caroline via email. And she says, you must be so happy with that ninety thousand followers and counting. I feel strange being an onlooker. No response from Caroline. Then she emails her again. Want to bounce ideas off me? Let me know. I'm here for you.

• 27:16Speaker 05

  Thirsty.

• 27:17Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, very. And then the third email. Yo, get back to me, girl. I just want to check in and be your ally and do some planning.

• 27:26Speaker 05

  She wants to fuck Natalie.

• 27:27Laci Mosley?

  I think she does.

• 27:28Speaker 05

  Natalie wants to fuck Caroline.

• 27:29Laci Mosley?

  Natalie wants to fuck Caroline.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:30Laci Mosley?

  Cause the first one is like kinda cute, like, oh girl, I see you out here popping. What's good? No response. The second one was like, hey girl, you know, I could really help you out if you need some help or anything. Would you need something for me?

• 27:40Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh.

• 27:40Laci Mosley?

  No response. Next one, hey.

• 27:44Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I'm not trying to be thirsty or nothing, but you know, uh, I could help you out though. I could really be your ally. Do you need anybody to clean your home?

• 27:49Speaker 05

  Oh, bless her.

• 27:51Laci Mosley?

  So eventually Caroline called her back, um, and she said she was back in New York and her book was due after the weekend. And she needed Natalie's help.

• 28:00Speaker 05

  No.

• 28:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So they wrote dozens of pages through the night. They wrote about Caroline's New York, Sweden, love triangle and European adventures. They were also high on Adderall.

• 28:14Laci Mosley?

  So they got high on Adderall and wrote a book. Do you think that would be a good book?

• 28:20Speaker 05

  No. Maybe. I don't know. I've had, I've had friends who've left with a double first from university on Adderall.

• 28:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I mean, like, that was a big college drug.

• 28:28Speaker 05

  It really depends on how talented Natalie is, cause it just makes you, it's the same talent at speed.

• 28:32Laci Mosley?

  Right, exactly. And then you're probably excited.

• 28:35Speaker 05

  This book for her.

• 28:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So Caroline also got this Adderall from a doctor that she paid cash for in Washington Square Park, just to note. Um, so around hour thirty-five, Caroline officially asked Natalie to come on as a paid editor. And she asked, what a fair percentage Natalie suggested thirty-five percent of the fee, or you know, I guess like the advance. So Caroline agreed to this. Natalie's involvement is uncredited still to this day, so she never credited her. Duh. I mean, y'all made a deal on Adderall in the living room at probably like two AM. She was like, hey girl, uh. Okay, so it's really, we're really writing this book. This is really good. Okay, girl, um, I think you should actually come on and be an editor, girl. Yeah, no, I think that'd be a great idea, girl. How much money you want? I don't know, twenty-five percent, thirty-five percent? Is that a lot? Is that half? That's not half. All right, I'll come on.

• 29:19Laci Mosley?

  Like, what kind of deal is this, y'all? This is a crackhead deal. Don't sign crackhead deals. So the book publisher agreed to pay Caroline three hundred seventy-five thousand dollars in advance.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 29:31Laci Mosley?

  For this book. So when Caroline went back to Cambridge, she told her friends that she was having a tough time and wasn't sure if she was gonna be able to finish the book at all. So Natalie comes in and tries to help her and finishes like two thirds of the book, but Caroline don't like the book. Anyway. Caroline does not finish this book.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  Which is not shocking at all. And so she goes to Instagram and tries to make a statement out of this saying that she didn't want to make a book that was all about men and sexual exploitations and that as a feminist, she she didn't stand by the publishers of this book.

• 30:11Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Bullshitting nightmare.

• 30:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. So she basically turned her skating away and not making this book into feminism. You gotta love it. So her publisher asked her to return over a hundred thousand dollars. I don't know if Caroline had it. She seems like she got an Adderall problem. She really likes furniture, I guess. So after this falls apart, I guess she has to pay the publisher back like a hundred thousand dollars. She decides to come up with something called the creativity workshop. Do we think this is gonna be a legitimate workshop?

• 30:43Speaker 05

  Not judging by everything else she's done. Absolute bullshitter. Oh, God.

• 30:48Laci Mosley?

  So Caroline temporarily gave up on the book. Okay, we know that. And focused on a new project, a creativity workshop.

• 30:56Speaker 05

  I met someone the other day who told me that they were a creative catalyst as their job.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  Stop.

• 31:00Speaker 05

  That's just a fucking social worker, not social worker, that you're a social climber. You're just a fucking social climber. That's all that that is.

• 31:07Laci Mosley?

  Now, can that be a profession? Anything can be money.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  Anything can. In Los Angeles, anything can be a profession. A creative fucking catalyst. That's just someone who introduces other famous people to other famous people.

• 31:17Laci Mosley?

  Yo, but that's a, the branding is strong there. Were they good at creative catalyst?

• 31:21Speaker 05

  I don't fucking know, but this is just madness.

• 31:24Laci Mosley?

  Did you have an explosion?

• 31:25Speaker 05

  I mean, I was a fake teacher, wasn't I?

• 31:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but that's, that's better.

• 31:29Speaker 05

  Even getting the part on The Good Place, like, they were like, have you ever acted before? And I was like, mm hmm.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  But you have. You acted like a teacher.

• 31:35Speaker 05

  Well, yes. I'd also done some theatre in England when I was six at my school. So I didn't tell them the details of that. I just said, I've been on stage in England, technically true. When Mike Shaw asked me, he was like, can you improv? I was like,

• 31:50Laci Mosley?

  mm hmm. See what I just did there?

• 31:52Speaker 05

  Yep, yep. I'd improv right there. I began my improv career with him in that moment.

• 31:57Laci Mosley?

  You said yes and?

• 31:58Speaker 05

  So I can't really judge this woman, but oh, my God, she also takes ages to do a scam. So where are we at now with these creative workshops?

• 32:06Laci Mosley?

  So she got Instagram followers, but yeah, no, she didn't finish that book. Now she's doing the creative workshops.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:12Laci Mosley?

  Um, she says that the girls are supposed to come over, eat homemade salads together on the floor of a venue and learn the secret to flower crowns. And have inspiring, creative camaraderie.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  I wonder if this is no attack on white people, but is this a white person?

• 32:30Laci Mosley?

  You know this is a white woman.

• 32:31Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 32:32Laci Mosley?

  This is dripping in coccyxity.

• 32:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is, this is.

• 32:35Laci Mosley?

  A black woman, any woman of color would never gotten this far. Are you kidding me? I wish we could.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  Flower crown?

• 32:41Laci Mosley?

  The secret to flower crown. Do you know the secret?

• 32:42Speaker 05

  Someone would have shoved a flower crown up my asshole if I'd tried to do this. Okay, keep going.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  I would have been taken to jail immediately.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, flower crown. Okay, so flower crown.

• 32:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so the secret to flower crowns, which we will find out in a moment. So she's charging, how much do you think she's charging for this workshop?

• 32:56Speaker 05

  Oh, God. Fifteen dollars?

• 33:00Laci Mosley?

  A hundred and sixty-five.

• 33:01Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ. Oh, my God, this is so stressful. I'm sweating.

• 33:05Laci Mosley?

  So she hadn't booked any venues or planned any logistics for how to provide the food, but she's already advertised this on her Gram, honey, because she's visualized, she's a manifestor, okay? So she promised homemade care packages for each attendee that would include a mason jar. Come on now, if you're living your best Instagram life and you ain't got no mason jars, like, what are you doing?

• 33:24Speaker 05

  Who even are you? What kind of animal?

• 33:26Laci Mosley?

  You are nasty bitch. Get a mason jar with a packet of wildflower seeds, a notebook and a personal letter in response to an email that attendees could opt to send her. So she ordered twelve hundred mason jars. And Jordan, can we get a photo? So Caroline took a photo of the twelve hundred mason jars she ordered because she didn't understand how much twelve hundred mason jars was. So the photo on the right there that says, no, I've made a terrible error, is a huge crate of mason jars.

• 34:00Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 34:03Laci Mosley?

  That she said she was gonna put salads in. And this is like a huge, like, I'm trying to think of what, sis, okay, first of all, Caroline, I don't know what you thought twelve hundred mason jars was gonna come in, a tampon box, sis? Like, that's a lot of jars. Like, this is like, I'm trying to give y'all, it's like the size of like a love seat. But like a box, like several boxes. Also, sis, you could have saved the money that you spent on these mason jars and just catered the food.

• 34:28Speaker 05

  Or just gotten someone to ghost write your fucking book. Okay, go on.

• 34:32Laci Mosley?

  So days before the first event in New York City, she told fans that she couldn't write the personal letters as promised because she got too many letters. So instead, instead, she offered to make time to talk to each attendee at the event and take pictures in a photo booth together. And she offered to respond to each email with an emoji that let you know she read it.

• 34:55Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 34:57Laci Mosley?

  Imagine you send in a letter to Caroline, you're like, hey Caroline, I've been so inspired by your Instagram. Uh, recently, um, my mother was hit by a bus and we've been underground and lots of medical bills. And, you know, you inspire me every day. And then the response is like a smiley with that tongue out.

• 35:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:15Laci Mosley?

  It's an eggplant. She sends you back a peach.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  Jesus.

• 35:20Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what to make of this.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  Who buys into this stuff?

• 35:24Laci Mosley?

  The girls, the fifty-three percent, uh, lovely white women out there, uh, who, this is a safe space to probably talk about how they voted for Trump.

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  Over, over, over oat milk and flower crowns.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ. Okay, also, don't, hey, hey, hey, oat milk is wonderful.

• 35:41Laci Mosley?

  See, Caroline might have got you.

• 35:42Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 35:45Laci Mosley?

  She found her way in.

• 35:45Speaker 05

  Fuck a flower, flower crown there. Okay, go on.

• 35:48Laci Mosley?

  So, instead of giving everyone a flower crown as a favor, now remember, she built the whole workshop on the flower crown.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  What did she give them, a used tampon? Like, where are we at now?

• 35:57Laci Mosley?

  So she clipped a few flowers into their hair and they posed for a photo. Then she would snatch them out and put them on the next guest.

• 36:05Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. Who's playing this woman in the movie of her stupid fucking life?

• 36:11Laci Mosley?

  Hopefully me. Which would make zero sense, but I wanna be involved. No, so she, she would clip it in the hair and be like, alright, one, two, three, smile. Alright, bitch, give me that back. And then when they took the photos, she would whisper into each guest's ear. The secret to flower crowns is there is no secret. Oh, my god.

• 36:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my god. You came in for the secret and bitch, the secret is.

• 36:42Speaker 05

  She is the Fight Club. Yeah, this is ridiculous.

• 36:46Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, she must just have energy. You know how some people just have vibes? Because I'm like.

• 36:50Speaker 05

  She's a fucking idiot, so it must be something. She must be really beautiful or charismatic.

• 36:56Laci Mosley?

  She's like an average white woman. She's like.

• 36:59Speaker 05

  Wait, so how did this? I don't understand how this has happened.

• 37:02Laci Mosley?

  Now, this is what I do understand about this scam. It's like, she's like.

• 37:05Speaker 05

  But these are stupid replacements. She's a fucking idiot. Look how much, look how many jars she ordered.

• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  So I'm gonna get a picture of Caroline up for you, Julie, so you can see her. She's a cute girl. So she's like, to me, attainable. Because, you know, if you look at Kylie Jenner on Instagram, you might be like, oh, you're out Lambo to match her everyday outfit. Like, that's not a life that I may be able to achieve. You know what I mean?

• 37:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is the micro influencer life.

• 37:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm not gonna be able to get the ass that, that, you know, you got shot up in your booty. But this girl, I could be Caroline Calloway. And I feel like that's what women think. Because look at her.

• 37:39Speaker 05

  Girl next door.

• 37:39Laci Mosley?

  Girl next door.

• 37:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:41Laci Mosley?

  So girl next door. But then living this.

• 37:43Speaker 05

  She does have a butter wouldn't melt kind of face, doesn't she, as well?

• 37:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And it looks like if this girl can live this fabulous life, then why can't I? So let me follow her and let me go to her workshop so I can also be like, she's like the supreme of the basic bitches.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  I was gonna say the basic bitch boss.

• 37:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  The queen bee.

• 38:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she is the queen basic. That's what it is.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 38:04Laci Mosley?

  I get it. So Andrea Park was an attendee, and she says she went half ironically. Bitch, you know you went because you wanted that flower crown and that secret and that oatmeal. Don't lie.

• 38:16Speaker 05

  And no one's spending a hundred and sixty dollars for irony in their twenties.

• 38:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no. That's expensive. You know, listen to Alanis Morissette. That's free irony. Like, bitch, it's like, nah, nobody going to do this. So she says, she went and Calloway clipped the flower in her hair and whispered the secret thing. And then she said that the rest of the event was pretty okay. She said they didn't get everything that they paid for, but she was fine with it.

• 38:43Laci Mosley?

  And so the events got worse. The event in Washington DC Caroline had her mother who lives nearby make salads for everyone after she realized how unpleasant it was to saute vegetables for fifty people.

• 38:58Speaker 05

  Girl.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  I hate this woman. If I ever see her, I'm gonna beat her ass.

• 39:04Laci Mosley?

  She was like, I was gonna cook and then I started cooking and I was like, oh, you gotta cook to cook? I thought I was just gonna manifest cooked vegetables. Bitch, what? She also planned events in Boston and Philadelphia, but after booking an event space in Brooklyn, New York, which I'm guessing was probably very expensive.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  Very expensive.

• 39:24Laci Mosley?

  She posted a poll on Instagram asking if Boston and Philly fans would be okay with coming to the Brooklyn space instead.

• 39:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  So she was like, hey, y'all, I know you bought a ticket for Boston and also for Philly as well, but would y'all mind actually buying a bus ticket and coming to New York for your event?

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Jesus.

• 39:45Laci Mosley?

  And the crazy thing is, is that this.

• 39:47Speaker 05

  That's what, two hundred dollars?

• 39:49Laci Mosley?

  Hey, you had one sixty-five for creativity. You probably got another two hundred for the bus. Also, maybe someplace to stay.

• 39:56Speaker 05

  Throw up. Go on.

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  So the response to the poll had people saying like, this is our space, or fuck, yes. People were down for this scam. I love it. The New York event showed a room full of seemingly young white women. No shock there. And the first hour was coffee hour where Caroline was not present. No shock there either. In response to the online scrutiny, she started to refund some of the tickets. She said, I wanted to create an experience that would be my perfect weekend day with cozy acoustic music and a plant-filled space. If I had known how hard it was, I never would have tried.

• 40:39Laci Mosley?

  How can you be mad at this woman?

• 40:41Speaker 05

  I'm so mad at this woman. I've worked so hard my whole life. Yeah, I've lied. But I've turned up and fucking delivered. I didn't say I could act and then, I mean, was I great? I don't know.

• 40:52Laci Mosley?

  You were great.

• 40:53Speaker 05

  You know, I remembered my fucking lines, didn't I? I showed up every day.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  You were fantastic, Jamila. And that's the difference is like, everybody does a little skeevin' and scamming sometimes in life to get to the the place that they want, especially in our industry, because there's no clear, it's not like we become doctors where we like go do residency and then we go like there's a path.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Because like, that's just not built for us.

• 41:13Laci Mosley?

  You gotta come in, you gotta put your pussy on the table and act like you don't want anything from anybody and lie. It's just a part of it. Um, but this, the difference is like, we, we still came afterwards and maybe fulfilled.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  At least some of the goods.

• 41:26Laci Mosley?

  The talent, you know, the things that they wanted anyway. Whereas Caroline was like, look, guys, I didn't know that when I said I was gonna do things, I actually had to do them. And that has been very stressful for me.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  Was she wealthy?

• 41:39Laci Mosley?

  No, she's like a middle class woman. But I love that.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  Does she have like some sort of dysphoria? You know, like Rachel Dozier, like the sort of like dysphoria where she thinks she's like Ivanka Trump. Do you know what I mean? Like born into an amazing lineage, has no work ethic. Like what was her life? I mean, how do you end up like that? What kind of fucking terrible parenting?

• 41:59Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I want to say that this is when, because if I was a white woman, I would be doing my fair sheriff scams off of just white womanhood. It's just, there's so much out there to get.

• 42:08Speaker 05

  What would be your favorite white woman scam?

• 42:10Laci Mosley?

  Um, so I would definitely be doing like the trip and fall dam. So, you know, trying to get some trip and fall suits going. Um, wherever I could. Um, I would definitely be doing like the, I don't know scam where you just like skip everybody in line. Cause you're like, what? There was a line? I don't know.

• 42:26Speaker 05

  My whiteness has blinded me.

• 42:28Laci Mosley?

  What? Which I do that one sometimes anyway. And I did it in Mexico and there was some very angry white people got mad at me, but I held my place. Okay. Look, Trump is president. I skip everybody in line. Um, so, but you know, like just light little, little white women, whimsy scam.

• 42:43Speaker 05

  How long did this shit go on for? It sounds like years.

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  It's still going on. So this was like.

• 42:47Speaker 05

  She's still. Out.

• 42:49Laci Mosley?

  Twenty fifteen when it started, honey, and I ain't even got to Caroline today, cuz this is still out here.

• 42:53Speaker 05

  Please, Jesus.

• 42:54Laci Mosley?

  Where, yeah, we're pretty much at the end of her. But I will say that I think that this comes from like, white women and other white women aspiring to live these carefree lives. And she took advantage of that. And I think the thing I love about her most is like, she's never pretending or blaming it on anybody else. She's just simply being like, I don't know.

• 43:15Laci Mosley?

  I didn't know when you did things, you had to work. What?

• 43:20Speaker 05

  So where is she now? She not in jail?

• 43:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, honey. She is out in these streets and on these, you can follow her on Instagram. Caroline now posts prolific stories, dozens per day, with long blocks of texts documenting her life in New York City. She posted a meme on Instagram December with the caption, for many years, the number one reason I was still in my book deal is that I hadn't checked my email since twenty fifteen.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. So she is kind of a creative genius, isn't she?

• 43:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes, she is brilliant. She said, so I never signed the cancellation contract. Now, my reason is that all the bad press has made my life story more valuable than ever. Life is weird.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  She has seven hundred and nineteen thousand followers.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  And counting.

• 44:08Speaker 05

  And it's called, her book is called Scammer.

• 44:11Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So now she's coming out with two books. One is called And We Were Like, and the other one is titled Scammer. And the caption reads, the antidote to shame is exposure, going on pre-sale on my scamaversary this January.

• 44:30Speaker 05

  Oh, she is kind of brilliant, isn't she?

• 44:33Laci Mosley?

  She's a genius. And honestly, like, just being like, a kind of cute, whimsical white woman. Like, why not let that be your lifestyle?

• 44:43Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 44:44Laci Mosley?

  Like, the Kardashians are just-

• 44:45Speaker 05

  What in the name of-

• 44:46Laci Mosley?

  Kardashians, they get paid to be Kardashians. Why can't she get paid to be a basic whimsical white woman?

• 44:52Speaker 05

  Well, cause she's a thief. They at least turn up with all the basic shit that they promised. You know what I mean?

• 44:57Laci Mosley?

  I mean.

• 44:58Speaker 05

  I mean, no, then again, there was Kylie's lip kit.

• 44:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and then they also do steal their stuff from people.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  That's true. I've only just started hearing about this, that young black designers, they, they, they rip off their designs. And then, then they accuse other people of ripping off their designs.

• 45:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 45:14Speaker 05

  And file lawsuits against them, right?

• 45:16Laci Mosley?

  Kardashians, it wasn't enough that y'all stole our faces and our asses and our hairstyles? Like, come on now, you got to steal, you had to actually steal the design from the little black girl too? Like, damn. And they have, like, Khloe's like, good American, there's tons of scandals of like, where they've been in litigation, where smaller designers, like, they're taking it stitch by stitch. Like, Khloe would order it and be like, oh, that's cute, say, send me a 12 of those to my house. And then she'd be like, y'all ripped these apart and make them.

• 45:41Speaker 05

  Holy fuck, I didn't know that.

• 45:44Laci Mosley?

  Ordering them directly from the designer.

• 45:46Speaker 05

  I obviously have the very public dispute with them over the diet detox teas where they're just like laxatives that don't make you lose weight. That in itself, like, that product is just.

• 45:53Laci Mosley?

  Insane. Yeah, any fit tea, guys, it's, it's a shit tea, okay?

• 45:57Speaker 05

  You'll just shit fire for three days and then you won't shit again. And then you'll need more because you've got some more shitting fire to do and that's just it. And then eventually your asshole falls out of your body.

• 46:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, keep your booty holes, y'all. There's better ways.

• 46:09Speaker 05

  Give it to the Kardashians.

• 46:10Laci Mosley?

  Don't give your booty hole to the Kardashians. You know what? I will give my booty hole to the Kardashians.

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  I actually sold my booty hole to Kim K last week. Uh, you know, you don't need a booty hole to live. That, that's a myth. It's a scam.

• 46:26Laci Mosley?

  No, guys, uh, shout out to Caroline Calloway. Um, I don't think I dislike her.

• 46:31Speaker 05

  I dislike her. I dislike her because her scams are boring and annoying. I think she's fucking uncreative and.

• 46:39Laci Mosley?

  She might be a little boring. I mean.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  I don't even know if she's really gonna finish these two books even. I think this is just another scam.

• 46:46Laci Mosley?

  She's gotta finish one of them.

• 46:48Speaker 05

  She's not gonna finish anything. How she didn't get sued by the first publisher, I have no idea.

• 46:52Laci Mosley?

  Cause she's whimsical.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  She's going straight to the bad place. To hell she goes.

• 46:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, she going to the bad place now.

• 46:58Speaker 05

  Adios, Caroline.

• 46:59Laci Mosley?

  You heard it here first.

• 47:00Speaker 05

  Go and rot. She's following me.

• 47:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  She's following me on Instagram.

• 47:08Laci Mosley?

  I'm believing.

• 47:13Laci Mosley?

  Meanwhile, you over here giving inspiration to Caroline.

• 47:17Speaker 05

  I've said terrible things on this podcast, but I stand by them. I don't like any of this, mate. I think you're, you know what, Caroline, if you're listening, because you follow me, I think you're a bad guy. I don't like what you did. I don't like what you did to Natalie, although Natalie, you know, Natalie would give her booty hole to you.

• 47:33Laci Mosley?

  Natalie gave her booty hole to Caroline a long time ago.

• 47:36Speaker 05

  Oh, what a bellend.

• 47:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh, God. Oh, wow. We've never had a direct call up.

• 47:40Speaker 05

  Jamil doesn't seem that bad anymore.

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  Jamil was fun. You know, I feel, what would I be without you? Very fun.

• 47:49Speaker 05

  But Fire Festival, at least you got sandwiches. That's more than Caroline ever gave anyone. No, no, okay, fair enough.

• 47:55Laci Mosley?

  You know, at least Caroline, you only gotta go to Brooklyn. You don't gotta go to the Bahamas and live in a FEMA tent.

• 48:00Speaker 05

  I definitely feel better about all of my scams.

• 48:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, your scams are, they're not even scams. You were just opening doors for yourself. That's called creating opportunity. That's called opportunity catalyst.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  Thank you. An opportunity catalyst. Is that what we're calling ourselves now?

• 48:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes, just like you had a social catalyst.

• 48:17Speaker 05

  You and me, we're gonna start dick tune. Okay? That's what's gonna happen. That's our scam. We're gonna do it together. Yes.

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• 50:26Laci Mosley?

  All right, guys, and we're back. And I'm here with Caroline Calloway's number one fan, Jamila.

• 50:31Speaker 05

  Jesus, it's so stressful that she follows me. What does that say about me? That says bad things about me.

• 50:37Laci Mosley?

  Is Jamila Caroline's inspiration?

• 50:39Speaker 05

  Oh, fuck off.

• 50:42Speaker 05

  That's the rudest thing anyone's ever said to me.

• 50:45Laci Mosley?

  Y'all tweet at me and tell me if Jamila's Caroline's inspiration.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ.

• 50:49Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry, I'm weak. Oh, that made me weak.

• 50:51Speaker 05

  I wonder who else is following me.

• 50:53Laci Mosley?

  A tear to my eye.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  You know what? I just, I need to change my ways. I take the, I take the blame.

• 50:58Laci Mosley?

  Keep it up, keep it up.

• 50:59Speaker 05

  I take the fucking blame.

• 51:01Laci Mosley?

  So guys, we're back with our last segment, Scammer of the Week. It's always a sad part because after this, I have to let Jamila go. But guys, Scammer.

• 51:09Speaker 05

  I've had a lovely time.

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  I've had a lovely time with you, man. Police arrest a palm reader for stealing over $70,000 from a client. On December 17th, Somerset Police, and this is December 17th, 2019, Somerset Police. Launched into an investigation over a person named Racy Milanovich. Now, my name is Lacey. This person's name is Racy. Now, I feel like if your name is Racy, like, I would already be on high alert. That's a scammer name. She was thirty seven, seasoned. I love it. Probably didn't do in the scam for a little bit. After a resident reported that she was tricked into giving her large sums of money. Milanovich, sorry sis, let me put some respect on your name.

• 51:52Laci Mosley?

  Milanovich operated Tracy's Psychic Palm Reader. That's the name of the place. So her name is Racy. The psychic place she runs is called Tracy's Psychic Palm Reader. You gotta have a alias if you're gonna be a good scammer. Oh, which Caroline, by the way, her real name was Caroline Gottschall, not Caroline Calloway. Just in case I want to Google her government. So she also had a scammer name. Back to Tracy. So she's running this palm reader place out of Somerset, Massachusetts. I can't imagine that there's many palm reader places in Somerset, Massachusetts. I feel like you probably got the market.

• 52:31Speaker 05

  You cornered the market.

• 52:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz in LA, I can literally walk down the street.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  You can't walk five minutes without seeing.

• 52:36Laci Mosley?

  And it's like twenty dollar palm read. And like, have you ever gone into the psychic and got one done?

• 52:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, once. And then they do the whole thing of like, oh, cuz you know, they prey on predominantly women who aren't happy with their love life or their family life or with the way that they look. And they're like, oh, you see, you could be so happy. But the problem is there's a curse on you and it would cost one thousand to twelve thousand dollars to lift it. Now, I mean, I'm not even charging you for my time. This is just the stones I would have to buy. But, you know, if you don't lift this curse, then you're gonna die alone and uh, look bad and your family's all gonna die.

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  Cobwebs.

• 53:11Speaker 05

  And that's a classic scam. It's a fucking lie. I walked straight out of there, but Christ, it's so scary.

• 53:17Laci Mosley?

  So someone has propositioned you with the, we gotta get this hex off your pussy.

• 53:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:21Laci Mosley?

  Wow. That's a, that's a good one. Cuz I feel like they look at your hand like, oh yeah, I'm looking at your lifeline. Okay, I'm seeing a lot of cobwebs. That is definitely on your vagina.

• 53:30Speaker 05

  I took my hexed pussy right out of there. I made peace with her.

• 53:35Laci Mosley?

  Hey, and you did it for free.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  Got a boyfriend.

• 53:38Laci Mosley?

  Listen.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  She was wrong.

• 53:39Laci Mosley?

  She was absolutely wrong. It's interesting that you say that because that's pretty much what Tracy is doing over here.

• 53:44Speaker 05

  Oh, that's the scam. That's what everyone does. Go on.

• 53:46Laci Mosley?

  So Milanovich stole approximately seventy one thousand dollars from the victim. And the reason that she did this was because she convinced the victim that her daughter was possessed by a demon. And that cash and household items were needed in order to banish the spirit from her daughter.

• 54:03Speaker 05

  How do these people fucking sleep at night? Okay, go on.

• 54:07Laci Mosley?

  So she said, hey, sis, um, we figured it out. Your daughter, there's a demon. Be as above, all up in your daughter, okay? Um, what I need is an Ikea rug. You know, the one that's like tessellated? I need that rug.

• 54:20Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. So she decorated her house?

• 54:24Laci Mosley?

  Lowest of key. Like, she was, she was asking for.

• 54:27Speaker 05

  Oh, Caroline's not that bad.

• 54:30Laci Mosley?

  Like, literally towels, bedding. She said, if I'm gonna get rid of this demon, I need a thousand thread count.

• 54:36Speaker 05

  What the fuck did she buy for seventy one thousand dollars? A sofa? A bed? A new house?

• 54:42Laci Mosley?

  I feel like she must have got a deposit on a condo.

• 54:45Speaker 05

  Apartment, yeah.

• 54:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So she used this family to furnish and buy a condo. I love the audacity of like, I'm gonna get money from you and I can't just buy a condo. I also am gonna have you furnish it.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  You see, I like this woman because she's thorough.

• 54:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:59Speaker 05

  Do you know what I mean? Caroline half-assed it.

• 55:01Laci Mosley?

  She truly did. I'm like, where, where is your aim?

• 55:04Speaker 05

  Like, it wasn't just like, just how dare she?

• 55:06Laci Mosley?

  She's a fucking scammer.

• 55:08Speaker 05

  Again, space.

• 55:09Laci Mosley?

  I think you're right about that. Caroline doesn't even have ambition as a scammer.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  Really have a plan. Like, she just, she doesn't even have work ethic in the scam. This woman knows what she fucking wants. She's going after it. She's abusing a mother's love for her child. Like, she's just sociopath all the way. Okay, so how did it end?

• 55:25Laci Mosley?

  She was like, the demon is almost out of your daughter, but you know, I am gonna need a dish rack.

• 55:29Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 55:30Laci Mosley?

  Like, that's really gonna get the demon out.

• 55:32Speaker 05

  Yep, some Cristal, some really expensive foods.

• 55:36Laci Mosley?

  A wine rack.

• 55:37Speaker 05

  A one-year supply of Whole Foods.

• 55:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes. To furnish this, this is how we keep the demon away.

• 55:43Speaker 05

  A really good dildo, the good one.

• 55:45Laci Mosley?

  Mm. Yeah, you're not the one with the batteries. We don't do batteries no more, honey.

• 55:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Bluetooth one.

• 55:50Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. I need to be able to listen to Maxwell while I masturbate in the tub.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:57Laci Mosley?

  I want sound, surround sound.

• 56:00Laci Mosley?

  Under waterproof dildo. Uh, that's what's gonna take. Otherwise, your daughter, she got, she out here. Um, so she ends up getting property over two hundred fifty dollars by trick. And then larceny for twelve hundred dollars. Intimidation of a witness, which, Racy, did you, did you go try to shake them down after they reported you? It seems like she might have been like, the demon is coming back. She was like, if you take this to court, then the demon definitely gonna take your daughter.

• 56:26Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 56:27Laci Mosley?

  So, anyone who believes that they may have been victimized by Milanovich is asked to contact the Somerset Police Officer Donald Comier, guys. And that number is five oh eight, six, seven, nine, two, one, three, eight. Um, yeah, you could call the cops on Racy. Or did you have a good time? Think about if you had a good time.

• 56:48Speaker 05

  No one had a good time. Nobody had a good time.

• 56:53Laci Mosley?

  Are you sure?

• 56:53Speaker 05

  I haven't had a good time listening about this woman. It's such a regular scam, but seventy one thousand dollars is just off the chart.

• 57:01Laci Mosley?

  So her daughter must have at least been bad. She must have been a bad kid. She probably just had too much sugar. Something was wrong with her daughter because what, otherwise, why would you believe this? Also, like, you and your daughter need to go to therapy if you think you need to pay.

• 57:14Speaker 05

  Can you imagine how pissed you'd be with your daughter that she cost you seventy one thousand dollars because of her bad behavior?

• 57:20Laci Mosley?

  I mean, but I feel like y'all didn't try no other methods. You was just like, nah, we, we really working on this demon thing. I was like, no one was like a child behavior psychologist or, you know, exercise.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  This woman with me was like, your mother's gonna die if you don't give me this twelve thousand dollars or something like that. And I was like, no, no, she's not. And then the next day, my mother had like a heart issue and had to go to hospital. And I was like, for a split second, I was a bit like, oh, no, because I was like twenty. I was like, what if this is real? But I just was too cheap.

• 57:49Laci Mosley?

  You think she was over there throwing them chicken balls?

• 57:50Speaker 05

  I was like, she'll be fine. My mother will be fine. And she was, yeah.

• 57:54Laci Mosley?

  Uh, but, but also, like, this is sad, but like, a- all of us have mortality. Like, what do you mean, like, somebody's gonna die? Everybody's gonna die.

• 58:03Speaker 05

  I know.

• 58:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I didn't know psychics were doing this. I thought they were just selling you crystals and putting yonies in your pussy. I didn't know they was doing all this.

• 58:11Speaker 05

  No, they, and they use the scariest thing that could possibly happen to you to, to threaten you into it. It's really amazing.

• 58:18Laci Mosley?

  I thought that this, I thought more psychic work was just fun scams.

• 58:22Speaker 05

  No, this has gone dark.

• 58:24Laci Mosley?

  It has.

• 58:25Speaker 05

  This is, this is like a.

• 58:26Laci Mosley?

  This is not normally what happens.

• 58:27Speaker 05

  I feel sad.

• 58:30Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if I feel sad.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  I need a hug.

• 58:32Laci Mosley?

  I'll give you a hug.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:33Laci Mosley?

  But I don't know if I quite feel sad, but I do feel like, guys, if you're going to see a psychic, which I'm not gonna tell you not to, because I personally love being scammed sometimes. I called the psychic, the psychic hotline the other day, California psychics.

• 58:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:45Laci Mosley?

  Because I just wanted to have a good time. They, I just wanted to see if they could tell me anything that I felt like was interesting by me giving as little information as possible. So she was like, oh, what's your life like? I was like, it's good. She was like, okay, well, how's home? And I was like, it's a home. Like, I literally was trying to give her the least amount of information to see if, like, anything. Because I don't know, I don't know if I believe in this stuff. I believe in whatever makes you feel good.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 59:10Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? If you gotta put a crystal in your booty hole every day to feel good, do it.

• 59:14Speaker 05

  Should I say something embarrassing?

• 59:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  I was very sick, uh, with pneumonia for like a year, pretty much, um, when I was about twenty six. And I was also having a complete nervous breakdown. And so I was given codeine all the time, which in England is much easier to get hold of.

• 59:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cough syrup.

• 59:28Speaker 05

  Cough syrup.

• 59:29Laci Mosley?

  Ramper.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 05

  Lean.

• 59:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes, lean, as the children call it.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. So I, uh, so I would take it and I would, it would completely change my personality. I would completely blackout. I would be awake, but I would never remember it in the morning. So at the end of this year, I got this phone bill for like seventeen thousand dollars. I was like, how the fuck do I have a phone bill? So I called up the company and I was like, you have been scamming me. This is an outrage. No one has a seventeen thousand dollar.

• 59:57Laci Mosley?

  Who calling God?

• 59:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. And then they told me I've been calling these exdirectory numbers. So I'd been calling like hookers and psychics in the middle of the night just because I wanted to chat. And I knew that they would talk to me because it was, you know, by the minute. So they would just listen to me ramble on about my fucking life. And I just, I was lonely in the middle of the night. Codeine makes me really chatty and I spent seventeen thousand dollars on sex workers and psychics.

• 1:00:24Laci Mosley?

  Seventeen thousand dollars worth of conversation.

• 1:00:28Speaker 05

  Thousand dollars on, I think it was predominantly probably psychics, but there are people, there are sex workers and psychics out there who have really intimate knowledge of my life that I don't remember telling them. Isn't that embarrassing?

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  A book don't come out.

• 1:00:40Speaker 05

  Seventeen thousand. I was in so much debt at the end of that.

• 1:00:45Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, that is less embarrassing.

• 1:00:47Speaker 05

  I scammed my fucking self.

• 1:00:49Laci Mosley?

  It's more awestruck. Like, I'm like, wow. What a way to spend money.

• 1:00:55Speaker 05

  No, I've never touched codeine ever again.

• 1:00:57Laci Mosley?

  Now.

• 1:00:58Speaker 05

  Still paying off that bill.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  It's good to know that. Damn. Now I'm thinking about all the time I spend on the phone with my friends for free. I need to get into the phone business.

• 1:01:05Speaker 05

  Oh, you do?

• 1:01:06Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna start taking a credit card with my friends, call me.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  Do it. You'll make so much. You'll make seventeen thousand dollars in a year.

• 1:01:13Laci Mosley?

  So it was like over the course of a full year?

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's, that's still not reasonable. I'm like, I would have maybe like nine hundred.

• 1:01:20Speaker 05

  My phone bill now is sixty dollars a month. Like, that's, it's insane.

• 1:01:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's like a lifetime of phone bill, Jamila.

• 1:01:26Speaker 05

  I fucking scam myself.

• 1:01:28Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I'm proud of you. Shout out, shout out to those workers who know everything about Jamila now.

• 1:01:33Speaker 05

  Christ.

• 1:01:34Laci Mosley?

  Make them sign an NDA. You gotta call all the hotlines.

• 1:01:37Speaker 05

  It's too late. Everyone can blackmail me. They record those things as well.

• 1:01:39Laci Mosley?

  No, they record them?

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  They record them.

• 1:01:42Laci Mosley?

  I did not know that, y'all.

• 1:01:44Speaker 05

  Someone has a video of me being like, and so, yeah, I feel, I, I, I don't know.

• 1:01:49Laci Mosley?

  It's probably all like that. They're probably like, we can't do anything with this.

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:01:52Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  It is what it is.

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, stop confessing y'all murders to Miss Cleo because they recording that shit.

• 1:01:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Laci Mosley?

  That's, that's the scam of the week right there. Don't confess y'all's murders no more on these hotlines because they are recording. Guys, that has been an episode of Scam Goddess. As always, you can email your scams into us if they're retired, please. If they're not retired, I don't want to fuck up your bag. [email protected]. Also can find us at Scamgoddesspod on Instagram and the Twitter. And as always, you can find me at D I V A L A C I D, Va Lacy, on all platforms. And Jamila, where would you like to be found? That's what I ask people.

• 1:02:23Speaker 05

  Well, I have a podcast. It's called the I Way Podcast with Jamila Jamil. It's on this very network.

• 1:02:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it will.

• 1:02:28Speaker 05

  So I'm now your sister. Um, and it's a podcast about my I Way movement. It's about mental health. It's about shame. It's funny. It's stupid. It's sad.

• 1:02:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:02:37Speaker 05

  It's me.

• 1:02:38Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love it. Yes, yes, yes. So listen to that, guys. And then anywhere else you'd like to be found?

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  You can find me on, on Instagram. Um, Caroline Calloway is following me, so I must be pretty good. Uh, it's at Jamila Jamil Official. And I'm on Twitter. I'm very rowdy. I'm annoying. I get shit wrong. I make mistakes. But I always say sorry.

• 1:02:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Listen, we all do. I love it. All right, guys. Stay Schemin.

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