Driven: The new 992.2 Porsche 911 Turbo S

Matt Farah went to Spain to drive all new Porsche 911 Turbo S. It has new tech, more power, more comfort, and even a surprisingly fun trick. Plus, Lamborghini makes a big reliability bet that has us do "car enthusiast math"; and we answer Patreon questions including: How to answer that question at a car show What to replace my quick Volvo wagon with? Why didn't Lincoln get a Mach-E? When to buy the loaded car and when not to Our camera mount advice Did Chevy only make ONE car in the '50s? Will LED grills ever go away? Can the Volt return? Does my Crown Vic need all the police stuff? Does price change our opinion of used Aston Martins? And more! Recorded October 23, 2025 Show Notes: Hello Fresh Go to https://www. HelloFresh.com/smokingtire10fm now to Get 10 Free Meals + a Free breakfast for Life! One per box with active subscription. Quince Go to https://www.quince.com/tire for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. Liquid IV Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to https://www.liquidiv.com and get 20% off your first order with code TIRE at checkout. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:38Matt Farah?

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• 1:21Matt Farah?

  Roadsters and a whole lot more. It's a cruise show, let's do it. But I really have that, I woke up at 4 a.m. Spain time and it's now 11:10 p.m. Spain time. So that's like, like yeah, I got some sleep. I'm like a little loopy.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you can make it six more hours and go to bed at like 8.

• 1:47Matt Farah?

  I can. I'll have an espresso and I'll work out and I'll be, I can make it till like 9. I'll be alright. But like, yeah, that's a long ways. That's...

• 1:57Matt Farah?

  It was thirty-two hours of air travel for thirty-four hours of ground time. Which like, look, there's people who dig ditches for a living. But that's a long way to go for a pretty fucking short period of time, isn't it?

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the pictures you sent me, it seemed like one of the better press launches in terms of what you were allowed to do and how you're allowed to drive and how few people there were there. So that's pretty good.

• 2:22Matt Farah?

  Found myself in quite the situation for the new 992.2 Turbo S. But yeah, you're right, Zach. One of the cooler experiences because, you know, A, it was, it was, it was, Spain is a fabulous country to visit. Marbella is one of the most fabulous parts of it. The weather was great. It's beautiful. Food is awesome there. But also, it was like the US/UK video wave. So it was me, Jack from Savage Geese, Chris Harris, Tom Ford, Sam Fane.

• 2:59Matt Farah?

  And, oh, and Jason Fenske.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:03Matt Farah?

  And that was it. That was all. So like, alright, we each had our own car. In my case, I had two cars. I did a coupe and a convertible. No one else gave a shit about the convertible. But I thought it was important to drive the convertible.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  And, uh, so I did. So the video is gonna be both cars in one. It's not two separate videos. The convertible on the street and then the coupe on the track. And, I mean, and then we got, uh, there was so much, there was, the roads are fabulous there. And there was so much track time. You know, we had a Scary. And we had the choice, so, so, uh, shit, it was, uh, just me and Jack for the afternoon session on the track. Just the two of us. So they go, we could split the track in half and you can each just have your own track. Or you guys can just run the whole track together and like stay out of each other's way. And we're like, fucking whole track?

• 4:03Matt Farah?

  Absolutely. It's like a, it's like a four-kilometer circuit. It's a big track. And, uh, and, uh, you know, we're driving the new Turbo S, which is... Shocker, fucking so fast, right? And, and honestly, if, if we split the track in half and one, one half of the track is way tighter than the other half. There's like a big, fast, open half and then a tight technical. Have you ever been there?

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 4:26Matt Farah?

  You did, what did you drive there?

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Um, MC20.

• 4:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, right.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Stradale, whatever.

• 4:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  The one with the wings on it.

• 4:35Matt Farah?

  Right, right, right. It's, it's beautiful, isn't it?

• 4:37Speaker 01

  It is amazing, it is amazing. But I could see that if you divided it up, one of you would get all the tight stuff.

• 4:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  And get to experience real, real steer.

• 4:43Matt Farah?

  That's what happened to me.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  The other person would get to have all the fun.

• 4:45Matt Farah?

  On, well, on GTS launch was the same hotel and same track. And I, we split it up and I had the tight section and there were a lot more people. And so if it was share the track with six people, you don't really know. Or have your own little track to yourself for two hours. That was a no brainer. But like, it was Jack. Like, he knows what he's doing. Like, this isn't problematic in any way. And so it was like, yeah, whole track. Um, and so, and there, there was, you know. I guess there was just an understanding that the people at this event are trustworthy people and don't need the babysitters. Like, so they brought out like some DTM driver, whose name I don't know.

• 5:28Matt Farah?

  Um, who was offering lead, follow if anybody wanted, or like ride alongs if anybody wanted. Um, but like, I'd been there, so, so it was literally, green means go.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 5:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  That's cool, makes sense.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  Open, open, full circuit for like two hours. I mean, it was pretty, pretty, pretty good. Harris, fucking Harris. Uh, and of course, you know, I didn't, forgive me the sin of not mentioning that Neil Carey was there as well. Because Neil Carey's the other half of Chris Harris. Um, the half that makes Harris look good.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, films everything, right.

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  You want the video version of Harris, not the reality version, given the choices. I'm just kidding, I love him. Um, but yeah, he was there, he was there as well. And, uh, and so they were doing their thing and fucking, they went through, I think they went through two sets of rears. In like 30 minutes.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Wow, yeah, just doing car to car.

• 6:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I fucking, I, as soon as I got to the track, cause they, I filmed my road, road stuff first. And they went straight to the track and they did track stuff first and then they went down on the road. And by the I, you know, by the time I got to the track, I get there and Neil's just standing there looking like sullen. And I was like, what happened? He's like, Chris has done a tire in six corners. I was like, I was like, okay. He's like, so now we have to wait like 35 minutes to get a new tire put on the car. Cause he couldn't do like the slow bits first.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Wow. That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Six big fast corners, knowing him.

• 6:59Matt Farah?

  Well, I, I, I went out with him and you know, Chris, um, uh, he's a very, he's a very smart guy. He busts his ass. He's obviously a fabulous driver and, uh, and you know, very, very well respected across the industry, um, by most people, I think. And, um, really like 10 years ago, when we were doing the NBC sports stuff, it was, he was very, very helpful to me. And so I was like, all right, Chris, like, we're here. Like, I was like, I was like, I'm getting a little better at this, the sliding thing. And I was like, I was like, just let's go, you know, take me one lap and like, you show me like the good spots to, and he was like, all right. So let me tell you

• 7:41Matt Farah?

  something. The places that he was doing it is not where the fuck I was doing it. He was fourth gear, 80 to 90 miles an hour, entry speed, you know. By the, by the end I did one. I did one and it went okay. And I went, I, I think, I think trying that is where something really bad would happen. And I was, I wasn't ready to keep trying that. Um, but, but I was doing it in like this, in like the two hairpins and he was like on the fucking, you know, the, all right, fine. That's why he's him. But, uh, but nevertheless, you know, when, when you, uh, when you have him

• 8:23Matt Farah?

  to show you the, the slide line and, um, and, and also what to do specifically with this car to transfer weight, that's pretty helpful. Yeah. Um, so the car, um, it's, there, there's a lot. Uh, there's a lot to it. Um, it is, you can tell it's a dot two because the new front bumper, see the shape of that sort of eyebrow of the grills as well as the vertical grills.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  That's how you can tell it's a dot two. The lower half of the rear bumper, which I think I have a photo of on the gram also looks different. It makes the rear of the car look a lot wider. If you ask me, it's not exactly an improvement over the old car. But I think it's a little busy. But, and I'll have a shot of it in the video. I didn't have one for Instagram. They had us on a stand, the old engine and the new engine next to each other. And dude, the engines are like completely different sizes than shapes. I can't, you can't believe that these two engines like fit in the same car.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  The new engine is much shorter vertically and wider. Uh, side to side. And you know, cause it's, it's the T hybrid, right? So you got the GTS has this 3.6 liter with an electric turbocharger. It's got an E motor in between the two parts of the turbo and that E motor can spool the turbo up, making boost that idle as low as idle. And it also harvests energy from when the turbo is spinning and not producing acceleration. The, the, the difference between the 911 turbo is it has two of them. And some other things, but like, that's the big one. It's got two of these electric turbos.

• 10:14Matt Farah?

  Now, the electric turbos it has are a little smaller. Both the turbine and the compressor are a bit smaller. But they spool up faster. They have a higher top speed, the turbo, the physical turbos. And there's fucking two of them. So, you know, you, it, it, it makes 701 horsepower. Which is more than the GT2 RS by one.

• 10:38Matt Farah?

  And 590 pound feet and has the widest power band of any 911 ever.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 10:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The torque is like, you know, the, the peak torque is like 2200 RPM to redline.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 10:49Matt Farah?

  The fucking dyno chart is like insane looking. Um, and uh, it, it also is, I believe the fir-, I don't know if it's first nine eleven ever, but it's the first one that I can certainly recall. Maybe a commenter knows another one that has a true dual exhaust. It does not have a center muffler collector. So my seven one eight is a true dual exhaust. So like the, the left bank and the right bank, those two do not come together. So it sounds really, really different. And in fact, this um, Cabriolet in the photos, this is also a little weird. The new Turbo S has these new shaped exhaust pipes.

• 11:30Matt Farah?

  But optionally, you can get the old one. So this is actually, this is actually a sport design car on this Cabriolet. Those are the sport design wheels, sport design front lip and sport design wing and then oval tips, which just make it look like last year's car. Then you think, picture the Hurst Shifter H. You know what I'm talking about? That H, picture that outline as an exhaust tip. That's what the standard tips look like. They're kinda weird.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  You like them or you don't like them?

• 11:59Matt Farah?

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• 15:35Matt Farah?

  That's hellofresh.com slash smoking tire 10 FM to get 10 free meals and free breakfast for life. And now back to the show. So, so that's like the main thing, right? Uh, there's also of course, uh, the same gearbox as the GTS, which means there's the PDK E motor uh in there. That is also the starter motor and reverse. Um, and because there are now two electric turbos, it can generate more power. So the PDK gearbox outputs more power, even though it's the same shit. Same hardware. It's just got more juice flowing to it. So it outputs more power.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  You mean, oh, there's more electricity?

• 16:20Matt Farah?

  There's more electricity.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Going to the

• 16:22Matt Farah?

  Going to the PDK. Yeah, it's they took them two explanations with me as well. I was like, wait, so it's the same E motor, but it makes more power. They're like, yes, because there's two electric turbos now. And I was like, well, what does that have to do with it? It's like they're outputting more power like, oh, okay. Yeah. Um, and they can do that without needing a bigger battery. It uses exactly the same battery as the G P as the GTS. Uh, small 1.9 1.9 kilowatt hour battery is the size of a normal car battery. Like, and, and also, if you recall, and I actually had forgotten this until I got back there. It just wasn't something I'd thought about in a while. Um, no accessory belt drive. It's on the 400 volt system. So the AC, all, all, everything runs off of that, the high voltage hybrid system. So there's no belts.

• 17:08Matt Farah?

  Um, which eliminates weight or in all kinds of other things. And that sort of is why the engine got so much shorter because the accessories that run on the belt. You know, the, you know, the block is like flat, right? But the accessories that have to run off the crankshaft need to be like stacked up like

• 17:24Speaker 01

  To fit in that

• 17:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, now you can just put that shit anywhere. So, and then it has, it has, uh, this new PDCC, which this is gonna be just a mess of letters. It's EH PDCC electro hybrid P blah blah blah, whatever.

• 17:40Matt Farah?

  Basically, the 400 volt system can adjust the anti-roll bars and the shocks like super, super, super fast. So in the result is to me like this, this gray car that I drove

• 17:58Matt Farah?

  had the best like body control of any 911 I've ever driven over like bumpy weird roads.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Just because there's more voltage.

• 18:06Matt Farah?

  So much voltage.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  So it has more power, so then you can control everything more precisely. Oh wow.

• 18:11Matt Farah?

  And it has these new super

• 18:17Matt Farah?

  they are anti-roll bars, but it can like couple them, uncouple them, like partially couple, like it can adjust them like really, really fast. It's, it's, it, it's not the hardware is different from what McLaren does in the seven series cars, but the way it makes the car feel is basically the same.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:36Matt Farah?

  It's so if it goes over bumpy shit like a McLaren, which is good.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Uh, and in the corners of does it stay super duper flat where you don't really feel anything in terms of momentum? And then that might be just a byproduct of that kind of system.

• 18:51Matt Farah?

  No, I don't think so. Like the hydraulic shit in the Panameras and the Ticons like I asked them, I said, could this engine run the hydraulic suspension? He said, yes, but we would never put that in a 911 because there's not enough feel. Um, and I said, did you ever build a 911 like with a prototype? He's like, well, you'd also have to change a bunch of things because like the, the, the, the way the shocks are mounted and like there's a whole bunch of different stuff. But he said, I drove the Panamera and I drove the Taycan and like as a luxury car suspension, like that's real, that's amazing, but we just would never put it in 911 because you need feel. And so I think it, I think it does a good job. Actually, it splits the difference between feel and, and performance. I mean,

• 19:32Matt Farah?

  on the track like and on the road, like I knew what was going on. It just like didn't beat the shit out of me um for a car that is both heavy and powerful. Now it doesn't have a ton of downforce, so it doesn't need to balance that element of it out.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  But so many cars we've driven that have crazy high performance and are heavy are very, very stiff because that's how they control the body and then you end up with a bad ride. M5.

• 19:56Matt Farah?

  These cars are not stiff. These are not stiff at all. At least they don't ride, they don't ride stiff. The structures are quite rigid. The 911 convertible is fucking, that's a rigid car. You know. Having said that, this Turbo S is the very first 911 to have a curb weight that starts with a four.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 20:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this one's like 4,011 pounds. And the coupe is 3829.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  What was the 992.1's weight?

• 20:26Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I don't remember, but it wasn't a four.

• 20:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this one's, it's a bit heavy.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  3829, the last one?

• 20:36Matt Farah?

  That's the weight of the new coupe.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  That's the way the new coupe?

• 20:39Matt Farah?

  The new coupe, yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 20:42Matt Farah?

  But, you know, on the flip side of that, it is the most aerodynamically efficient Turbo S ever. With those grills in the front that open and the active air. There's like four different active aero elements in the car. The other thing I learned in the tech presentation is, boy, is this thing gonna be a bitch to fucking service in like 10 years?

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 21:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, God, it's gonna be crazy. I, I, I would, I really want to, um, sit down with like Batim or one of these guys and be like, listen, how are you going to maintain this car? And service it, like, you know, what is that gonna look like? And can you get training on it or what?

• 21:19Speaker 01

  I think the answer is yes, there's a guy I follow on Instagram, is a DM buddy, but he was at tech, very high level tech in an Audi dealership. He's since left to work in an Indy shop, but the, his very funny posts complaining about the training that has to happen every couple of months because the tech that keeps just getting jammed into Lamborghinis and Audis is like, it's just so advanced and it's computer this and it's censor that and taking apart 15 different things to get the one thing. So now you've got these probably more complicated, you know, electromechanical sway bars.

• 21:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  And if you want to change out sway bars, why would you? But if you want to, like, how do you do that? Or what do you need to remove to get to a simple part? It'll be tough.

• 21:59Matt Farah?

  Speaking of Lamborghini, just a little side note, you see today they're, they're offering a 10-year unlimited mile warranty?

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:06Matt Farah?

  Listen, folks, a Lamborghini is a very expensive car. But when a company does this, you can get an enormous amount of value out of it. If you buy a Lamborghini brand new and literally drive the shit out of it for 10 years, that's an incredibly good value. I'm not even kidding, because those cars have a floor. If you, if you buy a new, a Temerario, if you get a Temerario right now, okay, it's fucking expensive. It's crazy expensive. It's like 500 grand. All right, let's say it's 500 grand. It'll be on 50 grand either side of that. You got one for, you drive it for 10 years, okay? It's a 2026, it's 2036, so let's look at a 2016 Huracan right now.

• 22:51Matt Farah?

  Even a very high mileage 2016 Huracan is prob, would probably sell for over 50% of its MSRP. Even if it had 100,000 miles on it. It would probably pretty, probably about 50% of its MSRP. So like, if you spent 500 and did 100,000 miles and lost 50% fully under warranty, those are pretty good value miles. You're driving a Lamborghini that entire time. It's still gonna look pretty new. Their cycle, their life cycle, uh, product cycle is 10 years. They'll probably still be selling ones that look like this.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, you'd be spending about 25 grand a year, right? So I think if, if someone's leasing a two-year lease of, you know, I don't know, an $80,000 car, like, what's your payment per month?

• 23:39Matt Farah?

  Dude, if you're leasing like a $100,000 car, it's like 2 grand a month.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:43Matt Farah?

  So like,

• 23:44Speaker 01

  You're very close.

• 23:45Matt Farah?

  You're, and that's, and a $100,000 car, you're talking, we're talking about a $500,000 car.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:50Matt Farah?

  So like, yes, it's a ton of money, but eh, when a manufacturer like Lamborghini does 10-year unlimited mile warranties, if you are, if you ever were like, what would it be like to really fucking daily a Lambo? There is a pretty good financial argument that there is no better time to do it than taking better, it's like I'm doing a commercial, no better time to do it! But like, no, seriously, Ferrari did this a few years ago with the 4.58?

• 24:16Speaker 01

  They did, 7-year, 7-year warranty, yeah.

• 24:18Matt Farah?

  Dude, people made out great, great.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Well, you also get to enjoy driving the car hard as much as you want. I mean, that's when I heard about the Ferrari thing, that was the most attractive to me because everybody knows that servicing these cars out of warranty is almost prohibitively expensive, even to many of the people who could afford the payment, like the monthly payment. But if you can get one and then you don't do the stupid thing everyone does where they bubble the car and they're afraid to drive it, just put miles on it and enjoy that.

• 24:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because because the mile, what you will learn is that the miles were cheap. Ultimately, what you what you get for that car at the other end with or without extra 25, 30,000 miles, that is, that is a cheap bit of miles.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Well, the math question we might have hopped over is what is a 10 year old Lambo worth that also has 100,000 miles on it? You think it's still worth 50% of MSRP? Or do you think that's a number usually, you know, for for lower mileage cars?

• 25:15Matt Farah?

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• 26:38Matt Farah?

  No, no, low mileage ones would be, would be better than that. You know, if you, if you have a 10 year old Lamborghini, like a 2016, we could, if we spent some time on auctions, we'd probably do this, but. And I want to get back to the Turbo S, but just, just as a, as a thought exercise. Maybe, I don't, I don't want to do it on the show, but maybe someone wants to tell us and, and my, and by the way, I could be enormously wrong on this, but I was not wrong about the Ferraris. Everyone who bought a new Ferrari 458 and drove the shit out of it, fucking had a great time and the depreciation was not that bad. People's, there was still a good market for clean, high mile Ferraris. Cause they would always get the services done and everything too, like they'd be taken care of, so.

• 27:21Matt Farah?

  Where did we leave off? Oh, where it's going to be like the service to this car in 10 years, right? So anyway, let's, well, let's just talk about how it drives. You know, inside the car, familiar place, everything is essentially the same, other than some trim items and stuff and a nice bit of carbon around the thing.

• 27:40Matt Farah?

  It's obviously, despite the weight, it's just ridiculously fast.

• 27:47Matt Farah?

  But it is so sure footed, is so undramatic about how fast it, I mean, zero to 60 in two five. Porsche says 10, three in the quarter. To me, that means race gas and tires away from nines, right? Oh, they've put in, did I send you the video?

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Well, it's in some of their quota time, usually like gross weight where it's loaded with people and bags and.

• 28:11Matt Farah?

  It's like a worst case scenario time. They want anyone to be able to hit that time. Yeah. So I imagine this is a nine second car. It has, they've, you know, because there's, it's funny because Porsches are so like serious, they never like, there's not a lot of whimsy in Porsches outside of like the colors. Like that's pretty much it. Like the engineering of Porsche is very serious. And so, whereas like Ford, you know, puts like silly shit in, like the Fox body gauges or whatever. When I try to tell Porsche that they should do a downloadable car pack for their electric car, they, they look at me like, why would anybody want their car to feel like a? 50 year old car and I'm like, oh guys, but the head engineer for this, they, they put in a burnout mode.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 28:56Matt Farah?

  They can't call it that because Porsche is too serious. So they call it a tire warm-up mode, which is hysterical.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Leaving the pits. That's what it's for. Yeah.

• 29:04Matt Farah?

  And there's, and so to do it, you go sport plus, full off and left foot brake. But before you do right foot gas, like a launch control, you hold both paddles. Then you floor it. The revs come up. You then take your foot off the brake while still holding the paddles and when you dump the paddles, it goes.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  So you're off brake, you're just revving, you're basically doing a clutch drop.

• 29:34Matt Farah?

  You're doing a clutch drop. Yeah, rear wheel drive only clutch drop.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Very, very cool.

• 29:39Matt Farah?

  And without riding the brake at all, I made a 100 meter set of elevens without touching the brakes.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  We can't show that right now, can we?

• 29:47Matt Farah?

  I can't show it. I can't show it.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Cause I could airdrop it, yeah.

• 29:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I can't show it now, but it's in the video.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  I saw it and it was legit. It was very legit.

• 29:54Matt Farah?

  I hadn't done burnouts in a while. They're pretty fun.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  They're very fun.

• 29:57Matt Farah?

  And it shifted twice while doing the burnout. It was in third by the time I was done. Yeah.

• 30:04Matt Farah?

  That's really fun. And it took me a couple of tries to get, it's a pretty complicated thing to do. It took me a couple of tries to get that shot.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Would it let you do that if you were like, if you had any angle in the wheel? Like if you're on a, on a tight curve? Like could you do a 180, you know, turn in a burnout or does it have a setting where only if you're pointing straight?

• 30:21Matt Farah?

  No, if you have, it's not a drift mode. If you, apparent, if you have more than whatever, a couple of degrees of steering angle, it re-engages the front drive to straighten it out.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Oh, right. Cause otherwise you could crash.

• 30:33Matt Farah?

  Actually, the, the, you know, there's a mechanical front drive in this. They're not doing electric motors at the front yet. Maybe the next generation car will do that, but this, this one is mechanical, but they said in a dynamic driving situation, only about 5% of the power is going to the front. And he said in, you know, in like wet mode or whatever, more power goes to the front, you know, it can be, I think they said it was up, it could be up to 50% of the torque, but.

• 30:59Matt Farah?

  But basically, you know, you want this car to feel mostly like a rear-wheel-drive car. You know, uh, which it, which it really does. Um, it, it doesn't have, doesn't have the GT3 steering, obviously. Um, and the fucking ADAS comes on every time you start it. Uh, which in, in US cars, it will not. It'll just stay in the last setting, but in driving these European cars, socks when you're filming.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Well, is it still two buttons away, though?

• 31:25Matt Farah?

  It's in the screen. No, the GT3 has a button for it, and this one is two touchscreen taps. Yeah, it sucks.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um. That's the legal minimum in, in the EU, right?

• 31:36Matt Farah?

  Not Porsche's fault, but it sucks. Um, and, uh, so, look, as, it's, it's very fast on the road. Um, but on these, look, I mean, even this photo, that's like, you can tell how huge this car is on this two-lane road. And that's a pretty open straightaway that we're on.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, for people listening, not watching, Matt is parked, you know, diagonally across a two-lane road, and he's taking up almost all of it.

• 32:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Uh, and you can just see how wide the front of this car is. Like, if you, if you're in the lane, there's probably not much room on either side.

• 32:08Matt Farah?

  It's a really wide car.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  And, and, and.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  How much wider than 992?

• 32:13Matt Farah?

  It's not that it's any wider than that, it's just the turbo, it's just still a huge car. I mean, I drove the GTS on the same roads, it was a fucking huge car. Like, it's not, this isn't unique to the Turbo S. Um, it's just like, 992s are big. On the track, it makes no difference. On the highway, it doesn't really make a difference. But on these windy, European backroads, like, oh, yeah, like, dude, on some of these, like, cliffside shits, like, if there's a truck coming the other way, you're like, I'm gonna drop a wheel in the dirt here. It's, you know, if I was in a Cayman, I probably could have gone quicker on the road sections than a 700-horsepower supercar.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:50Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:51Matt Farah?

  Um, I literally could not drive the road sections any, any quicker in this than I could in the GTS.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  I was gonna ask, so, let's talk about that kind of comparison, and, you know, is, are there people that could stretch their budget a little bit from GTS to reach Turbo or Turbo S?

• 33:07Matt Farah?

  This is, these are like, the Turbo S is like 60 grand more than a GTS. Now, it's 170 more horsepower.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  The number of places where that difference is significant is very small.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 33:23Matt Farah?

  It's, I mean, really, it, most of the time, it's not a faster car. I mean, it does have like a little more grunt on the bottom because it's got the two turbos, but like, nah, not that much.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Is there any difference in steering feel, brake feel, anything tactile besides just, you know, outright thrust?

• 33:43Matt Farah?

  I mean, I will say,

• 33:48Matt Farah?

  the, the suspension on the turbo is more advanced and refined and the body control is better on the turbo. Um, if you were driving on bumpy roads, the turbo's better. If you are driving like long distance highway, the turbo's better.

• 34:10Matt Farah?

  But if you're just like Saturday afternoon, kind of local canyons,

• 34:17Matt Farah?

  and/or you're spending real money, like you need to really save to get the, like, I would say get the GTS. They're, they're mostly the same. I mean, and I'm not, I don't mean this to be an insult to the turbo. I think most people understand that the difference between 530 and 701 horsepower does not happen below 80 miles an hour.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, you will not notice.

• 34:38Matt Farah?

  It happens fuck, at, at the higher, higher end of that.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  You know what clarified that for me, uh, recently was pretty funny is, I was in my car coming home, threw, we opened up and I just like dropped the gears. Uh, I was like rolling slowly in traffic and got off. But I was, as I was accelerating, I went, is my car broken? And I looked down, I was like, oh no, I'm going 85 and it just doesn't pull that much above 85. But because our press cars were in, all have power numbers starting with like a four or five. You know, we kind of get spoiled by this top end, especially with turbo stuff.

• 35:06Matt Farah?

  This, I mean, this car is just, it's so fast and so sure-footed that you don't even really feel the speed. The numbers on the dash are just going up so fast. You know, like it's, even on the track, like, on the track, this car is, will make someone who's average into a superhero. That's what this thing does. It, it will mask minor mistakes. It will recover some things for you if you leave the systems on. It's incredibly forgiving. And you can, if you want, click back over to the yellow one, which was the coupe I drove on the track.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  I was just curious real quick. So 991.1 GTS had 430 horsepower and the Turbo S at the time had 560. So 130 horsepower delta. So we've actually grown that difference.

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  The delta's even bigger now. Yeah. So on the track, no surprise, incredible competence, right? Like if you want to run a clean, like you have to try to slide it. It won't just step out ever.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 36:10Matt Farah?

  And unlike the GTS, which I drove the rear wheel drive one on the track, the GTS, you could actually add power early and, and, and power out on an exit. In a turbo, you cannot do that. In a turbo, you have to, as Chris says, back it in, which means fucking stand on the brakes and trail brake and then the back end will just come out on its own. And it's a matter of, you know, not fucking it up from there.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  And then booting it so you get the wheels spinning fast enough. Yeah.

• 36:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And actually, when you, if you, if you give about 25% throttle at that point, it will hold a very nice slide and the front drive will pull just enough to straighten you out. It's quite good. But it won't do shit like that unless you A, turn everything all the way off and B, decide that you want to do it.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:01Matt Farah?

  It will not do that.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Because otherwise, I'm sure by design, you know, these cars from back in the day had the history or the myth rather of like you get on the gas too early, it steps out, someone, a dentist dies.

• 37:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  And so this, as it steps out, they're, all the computers are saying, no, no, use the front, give it a little torque and pull that front around. So it's just keeping you going.

• 37:19Matt Farah?

  So it's, you know, Ascari is a very smooth track. The curbings aren't very hard. There's not a lot of like big impacts. But there's a lot of elevation change and like these sort of like whoop-de-dos, you know, especially in the back section. And when you, when you can get kinda yump it over those, which is really, really fun. But every bump in this car is one down, one up. It's just, there's no extra movements. There's no extra, oh, that was stiff or that was harsh. It's just like. It's it it it you know that a bump just happened, but just one, you know, there's it's it's really, really cool like that.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  How does the ride and control in this compared to Bentley Continental Speed?

• 38:08Matt Farah?

  That's more artificial and like digital. That's more like.

• 38:14Matt Farah?

  That's more like a traditional like muscle car dynamics, front engine, rear drive. Um, but it's it's like pretty soft too. Even in a sport plus a Bentley GT is like pretty soft. Um, you'd probably fucking smoke out a Bentley GT after about six laps of Ascari. It would probably not be happy if you were driving it like a shitbag for about six laps.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  This would be fine.

• 38:40Matt Farah?

  You could do fifty in one of these.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 38:42Matt Farah?

  I mean, there's assume if it if if you weren't sliding and could keep the tires.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, keep the cut tires on it. Yeah.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Uh, what mode were you in? Were you sport plus stiff on Ascari or were you running soccer suspension?

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  No, I uh, my my favorite mode was sport plus with the shocks back in sport.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 39:00Matt Farah?

  And then PSM off. And then then it was like just fabulous. But you can go full sport plus on track and it's not abusive at all. Yeah, fine. Um, a lot of wind buffeting with the fucking windows down though.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 39:14Matt Farah?

  That stinks in the coupes.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Like above?

• 39:17Matt Farah?

  Above seventy, it's like seventy.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Oh, above seventy is whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 39:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, wind buffeting.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 39:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, not my favorite.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  I know, like, I feel like most people driving at eighty miles per hour probably have windows up.

• 39:28Matt Farah?

  I don't know. It's one of my favorite pastimes.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  I know, I know. We we are divided on this. This and sunroofs.

• 39:33Matt Farah?

  Um, let's see, what else do I need to tell you about it? I don't know. If anyone's watching lo- watching the live stream right now and has has questions about it now, we can get to those. But um, obviously it's insanely fast. It's really expensive. There's, you know, a million colors and um. But it's not. It's definitely not for everybody because.

• 39:58Matt Farah?

  I just I just think when it comes to nine elevens, like they really do make one for everybody and like. Even though the the the top this like.

• 40:08Matt Farah?

  There's, there are as a select situations where this is really worth that extra spend uh over GTS or an S. I mean, I drove a thousand miles in an S, tail of the dragon, like, I could not tell you.

• 40:26Matt Farah?

  I don't think, I don't, I couldn't tell you with a straight face that had I done that drive in a turbo, I would have had a better time.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  I, I mean genuinely, I, I, I think, I think I had, I, I think I had exactly the same time I would have had in either car.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  I feel like this, I mean, there's so many things like this, anything mechanical that costs money, but it's like expensive shotguns or something.

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  I will see people post on Reddit, they're like, how come people buy these shotguns? And I go, because they don't want to own the same shotgun as you. And it's because they can. And so for this, you know, some people may drive it hard enough to really enjoy that difference between this and a GTS, but most people, they want to have the different badge. They like having the look, the name, whatever, and they just want to have the best one.

• 41:07Matt Farah?

  They want the top of the line.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  They want the top of the line.

• 41:09Matt Farah?

  And I get it. And, and the good news is like, the, the, the, the envelope of talent is just wider than ever before, you know? It's got instant torque off the line because of the e-motor. So when you're puttering around in traffic, the thing is like shifting at 2,000 RPM and like not bogging. And start-stop is like so smooth that you just are like, I'm, I'll leave it on now. I'm not going to kill it every time I drive the car. Um, because again, there's no starter motor, it's just that e-motor, just the engine goes from off to on.

• 41:43Matt Farah?

  It's, and, and, and this is where Porsche always debuts that new technology. This is where they take the new technology. It's surprising that it went into the GTS first and not the Turbo S. You know, I would have thought Porsche would have released this car and then done one with one Turbo after that.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Hmm, good point.

• 42:03Matt Farah?

  But.

• 42:05Matt Farah?

  Maybe they wanted to see how people felt about the term hybrid.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  That's what I was thinking just now, but maybe, I feel like their product cycles are planned so far ahead. You know, if people hated it, could you pivot?

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  They joked during the presentation, their customers do not like the word hybrid.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  On 911s.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  What do they call it now? Electric turbo?

• 42:21Matt Farah?

  Now it's fucking T hybrid still, but the customers just don't like that.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  I think it's cool. Electric turbo is rad. It's just a rad technology that exists. Someone in the chat asked, are there any non-performance special goodies that are exclusive to the Turbo S?

• 42:37Matt Farah?

  Non-performance? That's interesting. The, the seats have a special insert in the leather. That's like a throwback to like the eighties a little bit. That's, that's different. The carbon dash trim is unique to the Turbo, Turbo S. It's a dry carbon.

• 42:59Matt Farah?

  I mean, there's certainly a, a couple different like wheel options that, that are unique to Turbo S.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  What size are these wheels? Twenty-one?

• 43:07Matt Farah?

  Twenty-one's, yeah. P zero R tires.

• 43:12Matt Farah?

  I don't know what else. Uh, I can't think of anything else that, uh, is unique to Turbo S. There's a bunch of standard, I mean Turbo S is, comes standard with a lot. It's one of the, it's sort of the hallmark of the, of the Turbo S as, as an idea. It's supposed to be, it comes with like standard eighteen ways, standard, um, extent, full extended leather, standard Burmeister, standard PDLS, stand like a lot of stuff that's optional in other cars is standard on this car. So.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Does it come standard with radar cruise control?

• 43:51Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I would certainly fucking hope so, but I don't know. My car had it. Uh, all the cars that were there had it.

• 44:03Matt Farah?

  That's a good question.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Just curious.

• 44:04Matt Farah?

  Uh, but I don't know. Yeah, that would be annoying if you're going without. That's, that's a must. It drives me insane that 911s don't come standard.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Well, we, but not just them. Like we've encountered, you drove that Urus. I mean, we've encountered a number of cars over the years that cost as much as a house and don't come with one of the most convenient inventions of the last thirty years.

• 44:21Matt Farah?

  The Urus was the, by far the most egregious example of that. Yeah, yeah. So there is going to be a video. It's going to be.

• 44:31Matt Farah?

  Rather professional, like with writing and stuff by my, by my standard, rather professional.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  I gotta, I gotta edit that on my flight probably.

• 44:38Matt Farah?

  Shit.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Cause it's gotta go up Tuesday.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  It, I, it doesn't have to go up Tuesday. I'm not, I mean, I, I, it would be nice.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it'd be a long flight, but I, I'll have time. If you can get me all the assets before the flight.

• 44:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, I can, I can give you 90% of the assets today. Um, I just, yeah. I guess that there is a script does help.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Very much so. Yeah.

• 45:06Matt Farah?

  Okay, that's, uh, that's that. Thank you to Porsche for having me out there and everyone else for making it fun. Um, oh, little show and tell, speaking of Porsche, sorry for the radio people, but I'll try to describe this as best I can. We talked about recently cup holders and my Royal Majesty's cup. Well, there is someone out there who makes, and what's the name of this guy?

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Camera's okay.

• 45:37Matt Farah?

  It's, uh...

• 45:40Matt Farah?

  Fuck.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Every time I see stuff like this, I wanna buy a 3D printer.

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right?

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  Kaizen engineering, and this is a replacement for my little change tray behind my shifter. And it's a fucking cup holder like the 992.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 46:01Matt Farah?

  3D printed.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  So does it like notch into there?

• 46:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I have the, my, an installation guide right here. But, so someone 3D printed that, so now I can put my Porsche fitted cup without it flopping around on my dash. How nice is that?

• 46:17Speaker 01

  That's very, very cool.

• 46:18Matt Farah?

  Isn't that cool?

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:20Matt Farah?

  So that's like really fun.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  We gotta go test fit this afterwards.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the car's downstairs, so we're gonna have to...

• 46:24Speaker 01

  I, this is honestly one of the coolest things, not this, but like the use of 3D printers where, you know, to make this before would have been so hard and no one's gonna do that, but now people can just like scan the cup holder or the change tray and go, hmm, how can I notch this thing in there? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then there it is.

• 46:41Matt Farah?

  So this, yeah, and so it'll fit the, uh... The bottle or my?

• 46:45Speaker 01

  You gotta try your pink cup.

• 46:46Matt Farah?

  My pink, yeah, it's, it's meant to fit my pink cup. So, I mean, I might want to get a little, uh, like find a piece of rubber or something to cut out for the bottom.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:56Matt Farah?

  Maybe there's like a spray in coating or something? That could be risky.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Flex light, flex whatever.

• 47:01Matt Farah?

  Flex seal, yeah. So that's show and tell number one. And then, and then the notice guys just sent me this. This is Larry Casilla's watch. This is the AMO. It's called the Sentinel. And it's in the Canyon family. It's on the Canyon platform, same case. But how cool is this? Look, this has a, has a rubberized bezel and a rubberized strap. And the idea is it, it is designed to not scratch a car if you're working around a car.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool.

• 47:34Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, it'll, it'll, supposedly, I mean, part of what it does is tell good time. And the other part of what it does is keep you from scratching up a car if you're working.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  I like it. Is this, is it rose gold? Almost not quite.

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  Not this, the case?

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Sorry, not the case, but like the hands and stuff.

• 47:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, the hands are?

• 47:52Speaker 01

  They're not just gold, they're not just gold. There's like a hint of something to them, but it looks nice.

• 47:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  So you can get that at Notice's website. Support Larry. It's, it's a steel case. Uh, same LJP movement that I use in the other Canyons. Um, it is a Destro, by the way. It's a lefty watch because the crown, uh...

• 48:13Speaker 01

  I was gonna ask, yeah.

• 48:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's so the crown doesn't scratch a car as well. It's going, going at your hand. I actually don't, even though I'm a lefty, I don't have any lefty watches. Isn't that funny? Um, and, uh, it's a very pretty dial. It's, Larry's like a real black it out kind of guy. So it's a black and rose gold like his 964.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Right. Limited to 100 worldwide.

• 48:34Matt Farah?

  100 units. So fucking go buy one. They're really cool. If you have all the other Canyons especially, this is, this is in, in the fam. And I'm gonna wear this one for a while. We'll see how that goes.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Nice and thin.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  It is very thin. Yeah. Um, so that's, that's show and tell.

• 48:52Matt Farah?

  We can talk about the refunds for people Tesla Roadster deposit holders are finally starting to ask for refunds like eight years later, which I thought was a hilarious like the the fucking Stockholm syndrome of that that it was it was a Marcus Brownlee did a did a whole video about like what it I don't know if it was a video or just a social media post about what it took him to get his deposit back and it was a real bitch. Yeah, so now we've got a bunch more people that want it back and it just made me think not just that they took money for a car and never built it, which is crazy and not just

• 49:35Matt Farah?

  that people waited eight years to try to get their money back, which is real crazy. Remember all the other things they said this car was gonna do?

• 49:45Speaker 01

  Uh, well, yeah, 1.9 seconds, 0 to 60, 250 miles per hour top speed. The bit was the rocket thing.

• 49:51Matt Farah?

  Rocket thruster.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Right, sure, that's legal, that'll work, that'll be fine.

• 49:55Matt Farah?

  And then there was some compressed air thruster idea as well. Someone said it could maybe fly. There was a just sort of a jumping.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  I gotta tell you, this car had more idea storage space than any car on sale today. It had all the trunk space for ideas.

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Just how stupid is everybody for believing any of this bullshit?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Well, look, in 2017 or 18, I can see people going, oh, he said it'll be ready next year. This sounds cool. But eight years on, like, I can't believe maybe people were trying to get their money back five years ago, but how long would you be willing to wait after giving them 50 grand, by the way?

• 50:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, maybe two, maybe two, but like crimes are legal, is what I'm trying to say. It gets proven every single day. Crimes are just legal financially. If they're if it's white collar crime and you're a white person, they're legal.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  So here's a little more detail on how hard it was to get this. This is from Slash Gear, but Tesla said that you could get your cancel your order anytime, but the website's quote managed reservation page had no cancel button and only gave you an email and a phone number. Tesla customers complained that neither contact method yielded a timely response. Only those who were lucky or persistent enough to reach a Tesla rep. Got through to anyone and those folks didn't really want to help them. He had to do multiple cancellation requests via different channels, sometimes not even getting a response. Wow.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  It's awesome. It's awesome.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  And people got their, so you, so to put the deposit down, you'd give them five grand on a credit card. Then you had to wire them 45 grand within 10 days. People are saying that they got the 45,000 back quicker, but were having trouble getting the remaining five.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Or vice versa.

• 51:43Matt Farah?

  I saw one guy, one guy on Reddit, he said, I mean, this was a claim, but said that basically when he called up, the person like didn't know what a roadster was. The public was like, roadster?

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't have that car here. What are you talking about?

• 51:54Matt Farah?

  We don't make that.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  We don't, that's the funniest response ever. We don't sell a roadster, guy. I'm not giving, hey Ted, this guy wants 50 grand back for the roadster. We don't even sell a roadster. We don't sell a roadster, guy. That's hilarious.

• 52:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Jeez. Can you imagine someone who's worked there for six months because there's turnover and they're like, I've never heard of this car. There's no, there's no roadster production line. I'm, I'm looking at the floor right now.

• 52:15Matt Farah?

  2017, I was in high school.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  If there was a roadster plant, I would have heard about it. I'm the head of product.

• 52:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's fun. Uh, should we go to the people?

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, we can go to the people.

• 52:26Matt Farah?

  Well, let's talk about the people's thoughts on the Patreon. Patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is where you ask questions for the show. Also where you, um,

• 52:39Matt Farah?

  uh, also where you get, uh, what was the thing? Extra show, sorry. This, I think it's, this is time the flight is catching up to me. It's where you get extra show. It's where you catch the live stream. It's where you get exclusive access to merch collabs and other stuff. And where you get an ad free listening and watching experience. Uh, can you punch in Zach?

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:57Matt Farah?

  Because I left my glasses in my suitcase.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  I have the bad eyes as well.

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  Charlie Fanning says, uh, I've been driving a, oh wait, hang on. Alright.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  There's a lot.

• 53:07Matt Farah?

  You bolded some stuff. There's a lot of words. I've been driving a Volvo V60. Uh, and because of ongoing issues Volvo is gonna buy it back. I don't wanna lease anything and nothing excites me. And it seems silly to throw away this capital that Volvo is repaying. Uh, I'd love an RS4, but I'm not sure I can put as many miles I need on that. Uh, what else for $25 to $45,000 used should I look at? I could use a wagon or SUV as I'm in the furniture business, but would consider a sedan with folding rear seats. And I'll rent a pickup truck when needed. You are a Golf R customer.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:47Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:48Matt Farah?

  You could probably get one new.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  That's a, that's a really good car.

• 53:51Matt Farah?

  You could get a new Golf R for, for that. I mean, almost a new Golf R. I think after taxes it would be more.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Look up the measurements, but like my dad has a V60, I think it's a 2020 or a little older, but the, the back, the trunk is not huge. So I don't think a Golf R will be that. I don't think you'll lose that much room, and I think the roof shape and the back glass shape is actually better.

• 54:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  So, uh, I would look that up.

• 54:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Um, could also look at the 328i, the diesel that Vinnie had.

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, the F80 328D sport wagon.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 54:20Matt Farah?

  That was lovely. Those are nice.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  That was a really nice car.

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, Johnny E.V. Gerberman, why didn't Lincoln get a Mach-E? Is Lincoln? I don't know. Do they don't have an electric crossover? I guess they don't, do they? Is there an electric like Nautilus or something, or the Corsair? Wait, go back to the, go back to the, um, uh,

• 54:45Matt Farah?

  someone says, I thought, I thought I saw Corsair, um, Livermore Lincoln. Is this from a dealer? Three new fully electric Lincolns by 2025. I mean, I would be shocked if there isn't a Lincoln that uses the-

• 55:01Speaker 01

  They have a Nautilus hybrid.

• 55:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Corsair Grand Touring and Aviator Grand Touring.

• 55:04Matt Farah?

  Okay, so they kinda do. I don't, it's not a Mach-E, but like you don't, you don't need to make, like just badge engineer that. They could just. Uh, Nate Johnson says, uh,

• 55:19Matt Farah?

  Okay, we, last episode, we talked about a loaded Accord versus an entry-level Lexus. Makes me wonder, would you take a fully-loaded RAV4 Hybrid versus an entry-level RX350H or Lincoln Corsair?

• 55:34Speaker 01

  My wife literally did that. I mean, yes, we, we always talk about this. Get the nicest version of the model versus the least-nice version of the upper model. Because otherwise, like, why do you want to drive around in expensive badge but a car that has no features?

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  I, I agree with you, except there are times where getting the better car is, like, like, like a, a, a Japanese crossover from the Toyota Corporation, yes, I'd want a fully-loaded RAV versus a base, a base Lexus. But would I want a fully-loaded Mustang versus a base Cayman, you know, or a base Boxer, like, whatever, like, there's times where you can get, like, in my opinion, what is a, a better car, you know, for similar money?

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 56:21Matt Farah?

  In the, in this specific example, I'll take the RAV4. Uli Kongels Autobahn, best camera setup and way to mount them for recording fun weekend drives? I mean, just one of the consumer-grade, you know, people like the DJI action cams, a lot of people like those now. We still use GoPros and they're fine.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  People like the Sonys a lot, too.

• 56:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  Uh, I do think, if you have a really good mount, the iPhone dynamic range and stuff, and, and the audio capture of the iPhone is the best I've experienced out of any of the action cams. I mean, don't put it outside the car, obviously. Um, and the Meta glasses I have, I'm also very impressed with, except they only shoot vertical. You can't shoot landscape.

• 57:00Matt Farah?

  That stinks.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  So.

• 57:01Matt Farah?

  Um, the, I mean, the way to mount them, um, go to filmtools.com and search for vacuum suction cups.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:09Matt Farah?

  The vacuum ones, those are the really good ones.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, we use them, Larry Chen still uses them for all of his crazy amount of stuff.

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  Anyone who is serious about doing this uses those. And you just need to have a clean surface.

• 57:21Matt Farah?

  Bad Gardener says, "Did Chevy and other American manufacturers only make one car at a time in the 50s, 60s?" Seems normal for people to say, "A 56 Chevy or whatever," and I have no idea what they're referring to. No, that's funny.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  It's really funny.

• 57:36Matt Farah?

  No, they didn't, but they usually only made one collectible car at a time. So if someone says a 56 Chevy, it's usually understood to be a Bel Air or something. But, um, no, that's funny. They did make like, a lot of different versions of the same fucking car.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  They did. So I looked up, I typed in 1956 Chevrolet. And what's funny is that the Google results, the top five were for Bel Airs. But here are the cars that they made in 1956.

• 58:05Matt Farah?

  So if you said a 56 Chevy, you could be one of six different variants of the Bel Air. Uh, the Bel Air Sport Coupe, the Nomad, the Cameo Carrier, which is the truck, pickup truck, the Corvette, uh, the 150. Oh, that, oh, that is also a truck. That's the, yeah, that's a panel truck, pickup truck. Uh, the Suburban, the two-ton, and then they had three or four different race cars. So they made fucking like 25 different cars.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  But there was, there was a lot under this Bel Air umbrella. Wow. Alright. That's a funny question.

• 58:40Matt Farah?

  Uh, "Wouldn't Jesus take the wheel?" Um, "The other night I saw one of those new BMWs with the enormous kidney grills out with the outline illuminated." Yep. That's the electric ones. "How many more model refresh cycles do you think it's gonna be until all these over the top LED lighting elements go the way of the floating roof designs?" I'd never.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  I don't think they're gonna go away for a while.

• 59:05Matt Farah?

  No, never.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  It started with Mercedes had the first LED badge. And I remember it was like a $12,000 option. It was very, not 12, it's like it's 1,200 bucks. And now, the whole grill is lit up. Um, Ford trucks are doing it. Everyone's doing it to announce to someone, "This is what I'm driving."

• 59:22Matt Farah?

  "Triggered the lib?" Oh, great. Uh, "Where did you get that gray ja- I don't, I don't, I don't know what gray jacket is being referred to."

• 59:29Speaker 01

  You've got like a, uh, Mr. Rogers, but like a nicer looking, it's like a sport coat sweater.

• 59:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, the sweatshirt blazer? Um, Fairey. That's from Fairey. And it comes in like five different colors. "Mr. Nailhead" says, uh...

• 59:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, sorry, that one. Nah, that, thank you, but not relevant to the show today. Um, okay.

• 59:52Matt Farah?

  Man, people are asking me about cars I've never driven. Three days of graceful racing. Never driven the Mazda CX-70 or 90, sorry. Chris from Colorado, uh, once P. Cody is released, can you get someone on the team to join you on the podcast to go through every car in detail and how they stack up against each other?

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  With respect to Chris from Colorado, isn't that what the article is for? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but like, that's exactly what they do. And the article for the P. Cody is long and very thorough.

• 1:00:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like 25 pages.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, that is, that is what it is. Um, if someone's in LA, I'm the only road and track writer that lives in LA. So, uh, someone would have to be here. The driving emotion says, uh, the, with the Bolt coming back next year, is there any hope of the Volt making a comeback? Probably. Don't know. Not with, GM's concept fucking, GM's had a, just had a fire at their...

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:00:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:00:48Matt Farah?

  In Pasadena.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:00:49Matt Farah?

  Like, today or yesterday.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:00:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. A concept car caught on fire in the building. The original report said that the whole building burned down, but it did not. It was one, apparently one concept car caught on fire and...

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  One concept car was lost.

• 1:01:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, the Volt was great. People should, they should come back. Waymo hand jobs from women I hardly know. What's more annoying? A person that assumes you must be a douche if you drive a high-end sports car? Or a person with no track experience that asks you, what was your top speed? Only to look disappointed at whatever number you say? Uh, the first. The first is more annoying. Not everybody who drives a nice car is a douche. Um, and most people don't understand the concept of track speed versus, you know, most people just want to hear a big number.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Matt Farah?

  Just, when that happen, here's the problem. The problem is, someone says, what's the fastest? You know what they want, just give them a big fucking number.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:01:48Matt Farah?

  Make it up.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:49Matt Farah?

  How fast did you go? 212. Okay. That's the end of conversation. Uh...

• 1:02:00Matt Farah?

  Rolex LT Lariat King Ranch, I'm looking at thousand dollar-ish watches. Obviously, Nola- Notice is a reputable micro brand. How do you know what other brands are good quality? Or do you go by the movement and hope it's a quality piece? Dude, like, there's so many online communities that talk about this shit constantly. Like, there's, there's WatchCrunch, there's Reddit Watches, there's any number of like, Face- if anyone's still using Facebook, I don't know, but like, sub-communities, um, and, and like, watch review- there's reviews by professionals that fuckin's- I don't know how someone writes two twenty-five-hundred words on a watch, but they'd find a way.

• 1:02:42Matt Farah?

  And like, there's a million ways to find out if a watch is good quality. The very best way is to ask about their return policy and buy one. Or to go find a place to, to, to, to try it on. Any of those shows, the Intersect show. Dude, this past couple of weeks, there's been like seven watch shows all over the country. There's like Wind Up Watch Week in New York, there's a Watch Something Something in Austin.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  I think Intersect has an Austin show, someone mentioned it, yeah.

• 1:03:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's, I mean, there's, there's, um,

• 1:03:14Matt Farah?

  I don't know where you're, where you're writing in from, but, um, there's a million- anyone who buys a micro brand watch, I guarantee you, eight out of ten, they're on a fucking forum. And they're gonna show off their new watch and review it, oh, and you, and you search for one, you know, see what people are saying about it. And then if you, you know, if it passes the, the internet approval test of like, this isn't a complete piece of shit, you buy one, you ask about their return policy, you know, and, and, and if he doesn't feel right in your hands, you know, it's gotta, it's gotta sit right, it's gotta look right, you know, and you, um, return it. Get something else. Um, yeah. Green, okay.

• 1:03:59Matt Farah?

  Green Elephant for Zach. Got an 03 Crown Vic in light blue. Super clean, previous boomer owner. Should I leave it alone or dump some money making it an interceptor detective looking car with bumpers? Or leave it stock in chrome?

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  I thought I was gonna have to put all the cop stuff on it. I bought a detective spec. It did not have, you know, the push bumpers. And I thought, no one's gonna think I'm a cop and get out of the way on the highway. I was wrong. My car looked stock. I think I put an antenna on the back that did nothing. If you do that and you drive with authority, people will think you're a police officer. So, don't put, because the bumpers are cool to see, but they take, you add a foot to the length of the vehicle, which, trust me, you don't need. So, parallel parking, that thing sucks already. You don't need to deal with that. Yeah, keep it, keep it, leave it alone. It'll be easier to sell and everyone's gonna think you're a police chief.

• 1:04:50Matt Farah?

  The Count of Monte Cato. 2019 and 20 Vantages are depreciating quickly. Does your perspective on them change at $75,000 with low miles versus the 150 they sold for when new? The same, I feel the same way about them then and now because my argument against them then was that the AMG GT was a better version of the fucking same car. And those are 75 grand. Like, if you think you might want a Vantage for 75 grand, you probably want an AMG GT, actually.

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:26Matt Farah?

  It's a better driving car.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Interior is way nicer.

• 1:05:29Matt Farah?

  The current Vantage is rad.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:31Matt Farah?

  And when those are 75 grand, I'll recommend them. No, I recommend them new. But, yeah, the problem is that their biggest competitor has depreciated right alongside them. So, if it's your dream car, it's not a shit box. It's fine. But, they've done a really good job with the Vantage between 2019 and now.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that that generation of Vantage, one generation ago, missed on so many points and that the AMG GT succeeded on. You're basically buying an Aston Badge, but you're getting an inferior car, in my opinion.

• 1:06:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Last one, and then we'll save the rest for the next show because I can feel my brain slipping. Hot Box the Waymo.

• 1:06:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, scroll down please, says, "I've been going through my dad's stuff since he passed away and came across some Porsche aftermarket parts catalogs and magazines from the seventies. Is there a market for this stuff?" Um, there's that show, The Lit Show. There's a, there's a show every year in LA called The Lit Show, and it's literally short for literature. And it's all Porsche books, magazines, but there's also like parts and service manuals and stuff. I mean, I don't know how one, other than physically being there, would sell things at The Lit Show, but like, there is a market, because people do go to this show and buy stuff. But I would say, I don't know, eBay, maybe?

• 1:07:02Matt Farah?

  And, and there's, at the end of that, "Donation to the lounge, great thought, a lot of people send us stuff, lounge ain't that big."

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of books in this place.

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  There's too many books, and we were having a bigger lounge at the newest, the new place, so some of them are in there, but, uh, please don't send us any more books. I have, we have too many coffee table books or magazines and stuff, we can't do it.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  One of the shelves is literally bending off the wall.

• 1:07:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I had to, we had to take books off of it because of that, yeah. Um, alright, thanks everybody, uh, I hope my brain functioned at a reasonably appropriate level. Um, the, uh, the, uh, um, yeah, I don't even, I'm not gonna keep talking. I'm gonna end this one now, because my brain is obviously, after twenty fucking hours of traveling, not up to it anymore. But, I appreciate you all, and, uh, we'll see you later, bye.