The Dead Hand Plan & The Gaza Crisis | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

In this episode of Eyes on Geopolitics, the guys discusses the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, the implications of nuclear brinksmanship between Russia and the U. S., and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. They analyze the effectiveness of sanctions against Russia, the technological advancements in warfare, and the rising anti-Semitism linked to Israel's actions. The conversation also touches on the future of Palestine and the complexities of international relations in the current geopolitical landscape. Sign up to our newsletter here! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/ Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social 00:00 Escalation in Ukraine: The Ongoing Conflict 11:47 Technological Warfare: Drones and Defense Systems 24:06 Sanctions and Global Energy Politics 29:48 Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza: Aid and Access 33:08 Challenges in Urban Warfare 34:53 Population Control Tactics and Their Consequences 38:58 The Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza 42:52 Perceptions of Anti-Semitism and Israeli Actions 46:54 The Future of Hamas and Israeli Strategy 51:40 Lessons from History: Hope for Resolution Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:41Speaker 03

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. We got a full crew here today. We got Andy Milburn, Mick Mulroy, Jason Lyons, and myself. A lot going on, as usual. Nothing different. First and foremost, let's kick off with what went down in Russia, Ukraine. Obviously, it's been like almost more than a month where Russia's just... Fucking indiscriminately bombing the shit out of Ukraine. Um, ton of civilians being killed. And, uh, you had a bit of like, uh, I guess online brinksmanship, a little bit of trolling going on online.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  Medvedev, the former president of Russia, the deputy chairman of the security council, whatever kind of bullshit fucking, uh, title he has now is was, uh, kind of going off on Trump a little bit. Trump responded with saying he moved some nuclear submarines to specific positions, even though like they're always out there doing what they do, like, you know, um. So Mick, you wanted to get going on this. Mick, of course, is back in the motherland of Ireland right now. So shout out to Ireland. I have to do that. I'm contractually obligated. Um, Mick, what are you tracking with this? Yeah, every show. You're right.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  Every show. That's right. Yes. I just got off the pro Patrick, which is the mountain where the Irish and obviously Catholics, they say Patrick spent 40 days and 40 nights. Forty what Christianity and I'm highly recommended whether you're religious or not. Currently I'm driving on the wrong side of the road, so I'm not going to turn my camera. But on this, uh, on this issue, so just, there's a thing called the dead hands plan for Russia, former Soviet Union, now Russia. And just to explain why this was significant with Medvedev, who's now the deputy national security advisor,

• 3:33Speaker 04

  was talking about it. That's what he was talking about. And what it is, is Russia's plan that in the case of a nuclear war, they have an automated system to respond. If, if their systems believe that their command authority, or what they call their command authority has been annihilated. So the way it works is if, if they lose, uh, contact with the command authority in the process. There's several systems, uh, geological, seismic, et cetera, that tries to determine whether there's been a nuclear.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Exchange. If there is, it launches this command missile into the air, which then flies around Russia, launching all the other, or launching whatever's left of their ICBMs with nuclear missiles. So we don't have that system. We keep a human involved the entire time. They don't, which I think is obviously irresponsible. But that is what Medvedev is talking about, that got people pretty worked up, although I think he already said it did. Russia constantly talks about nuclear war, so it's kind of losing its, uh, its oomph. Um, but President Trump in a not normal, uh, scenario started talking about where our nuclear submarines are.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  And we have nuclear powered submarines. We also have, uh, nuclear powered submarines that can actually launch nuclear weapons. It's like 14 of them. He didn't reference which ones he was talking about, nor did he really reference where they were, other than they were going to be closer to Russia, which for everybody's knowledge, doesn't really matter. They could hit Russia from wherever they are. Going closer to Russia doesn't really matter. I mean, it might even compromise. But I guess the point from President Trump was, um, stop talking about this. We got nuclear weapons too. And we have, we can launch them, uh, at any time. So I think that's, that was the concern. That's what the discussion that went back and forth.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  We generally never talk about where our nuclear submarines are, but I would have to point out that he really did it. It was more of a kind of backup, back off kind of statement, to anything specific.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. And just so like for context for everybody, this was, uh, Medvedev started popping off because Trump took the 50 day, uh, uh, you know, limit down to 10 days for like figuring out a deal or ceasefire with Russia and Ukraine. So that's kind of where it started.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  Right. And he should have just, he just should have just ended it, right? They're not doing anything that indicates that they're looking towards a ceasefire. So this, this is just giving them more time to acronimatically take, you know, uh, in Ukraine. At a cost, I think the last time I saw was like over a thousand fatalities, some fatalities in one day, 24 hour period.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  But it's it's time to move on. It's time to actually put our put our words in motion and show that we have a backbone. We need to go straight to the sanctions. Probably won't change much, but it'll at least cause them to have a difficult time funding their war machine. And then we need to start getting more weapon systems, offensive and defensive into Ukraine or Russia. President Putin doesn't care about any of the anything right around.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  Andy, you look like you were ready to say something. Go ahead.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  All right. Yeah, no, actually, that's my resting listening face. But yeah, so to to Mick's point, the submarine comment is probably deliberately vague. But yeah, I mean, it could mean one of three things. You know, I'm reading a lot of a lot of almost semi hysterical talk in the paper about, you know, we're playing brinksmanship with Russia. There's always this fear, isn't there? There's there's always this segment of our population that that builds Russia into being a more, you know, friendlier than it than it is, but at the same time is terrified terrified that Putin will escalate. And and

• 7:45Speaker 05

  it always has this segment of the population, which is sizable segment and represents both the left and the right wing, has them running scared. So, you know, I mean, the comment really is kind of honestly meaningless. I mean, as Mick points out, at any given time, the US routinely keeps strategic submarines at sea that carry nuclear tipped ballistic missiles, right? It's part of our nuclear deterrent. So, you know, we're moving those around all the time. And Russia has always been one of our potential adversaries, whatever whatever the media may be saying. And so, in that sense, this is a meaningless statement. Now, it could be that the president's referring to nuclear powered US attack missiles that

• 8:30Speaker 05

  could be moved closer to Russia for one of two things, either to be used against Russian strategic submarines, or to launch non nuclear cruise missiles, right? They intended to strike targets on land, right? Which would be, you know, I suppose more of a meaningful statement. But in any case, I think it's, it was a statement, I don't know.

• 8:55Speaker 05

  But the point is here, I think the statement was intended to say it is positive for anyone who thinks that we shouldn't be trusting Russia. It's a statement that, hey, look, we do have a nuclear arsenal. And if Russia is going to start threatening us with anything, then obviously, we can, I'm trying to avoid using overly destructive terminology here, but we've got the upper hand is the bottom line. Yeah, and to Mick's point about jumping right away to putting pressure on Russia, you know, while all this has been going on, of course, Russia has stepped up massively,

• 9:35Speaker 05

  stepped up the air campaign against Ukrainian cities, you know, targeting civilians, civilians, not just civilian infrastructure, but civilians, civilian buildings, you know, and I'm getting feedback, of course, from friends in Kiev. And but you just have a look at the statistics, I mean, in the last, you know, during July, during July, I forget what day, but it's early July, I mean, just one raid, Russia launched 700 drones, right? And now, these are mostly, they're called Jiran 2s, it's a Russian version of Shahed, and they're getting increasingly

• 10:20Speaker 05

  sophisticated. They, you know, they're capable of artificial intelligence, they're getting faster, they fly at higher elevation, they have advanced electronics, they have counter, you know, the Russians are getting better at counter-dramming. And it used to be that 3% to 5%, I mean, prior to July, 3% to 5% of these things were getting through. The Ukrainians were doing a phenomenal job with their air defense. But in July, all right, which has just ended, 15% of these drones are getting through. So you think 15% of 700, you're much better at math than me, so that's 15 times 7, you know, that's a significant

• 11:00Speaker 05

  number of these drones. They're carrying warheads, each of 40 kilograms up to now 105.

• 11:08Speaker 05

  Well, there you go, you know, up to ninety kilograms. So that's a lot and all of which targeting targeting civilian infrastructure. The Ukrainians are struggling and to to keep pace with that. And while they're reflecting, as as Mick pointed out, really high casualties on the Russians, you know, a thousand casualties in twenty four hour period, as we discussed it before, is an average. And I'm saying a thousand casualties, but sometimes in some days, that's near a thousand deaths. I mean, it's just, it's phenomenal. When you think about those are those were World War Two level casualties. The Allies in in Normandy

• 11:52Speaker 05

  were were routinely, you know, the height of fighting in Normandy with a far larger army were taking between, you know, a thousand, fifteen hundred casualties a day. So that's that's commensurate with the Second World War, but higher in terms of percentage of of guys that they have on the ground. Not clear how long they can continue to sustain that. But so the Russians are trying to counter that by really going after civilians with these with these drone attacks. And just to kind of finish up here, very interestingly, you know, when we talk about how we can help Ukraine, certainly with their defense systems.

• 12:33Speaker 05

  And but the Ukrainians are doing a phenomenal job by themselves, working with

• 12:41Speaker 05

  companies in in the Baltic State, in Estonia, on developing interceptor drones. All right, very highly sophisticated interceptor drones to intercept Russian drones. So you've got this this cycle of a threat, counter threat. And the the interceptor drones that the Ukrainians have been experimenting with so far, there's, I think, there's four, there's four Ukrainian firms, and then there's an Estonian one. They so far, they they have a success rate of seventy percent against the Russian gerans, which isn't high enough. And they just need, so they they need to to produce about

• 13:25Speaker 05

  Way above. Right now, they're producing about 200 of these drones a day, and they need to produce way more to be able to bring that number higher than 70%. And, and so, you know, you've seen this, this, this technological battle taking place, this competition that is so far beyond anything that we in the US, US military, I think, can even adapt to at this stage. I mean, there's that's, that's kind of a really a a, it's a frightening aspect of modern war. And we've talked about it here before, that, that I'm not sure US military, we'd certainly taking notice of it, but I'm, I'm not sure how we adapt to that.

• 14:10Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, my, one of my questions is gonna be like, are, cause I did see a report saying like, you know, intercepting these, uh, Duran 2s are, is kind of expensive using like whatever air-to-air stuff or Patriot or any other kind of SAM stuff. Is that the reason why they're developing and starting to ramp up production on the interceptor drones? Cause it's like way more cost effective?

• 14:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I mean, it's part of its cost effective, um,

• 14:40Speaker 03

  And locally built, I guess, you know, so it's good.

• 14:46Speaker 05

  But, you know, it's not, they, so do you, but it, I'm just trying, I, I'm wording this, I'm, I'm just thinking through this cost effect. I'm not sure. Yeah. So the, the Durans, the latest version of the Duran, which is the Duran 3, which is, you know, has phenomenal speed, like 600 um, KPH and can fly at high, it's got a turbojet engine, right? And it hasn't been fielded in large numbers, but it's, um, it's cost of 1.4 million, right? Um, which is a significant upgrade on, on, on the Duran 2. But as far as interceptors, I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I, I would guess, uh, yes, of course, the interceptor drones are far, far cheaper.

• 15:31Speaker 05

  Um, but the, the, the goal is to produce about a thousand of these a day. So I don't know. Um, I don't know if it's a question of cost so much of just effectiveness at this stage. Zelensky has said that the program is going to cost $6 billion, which is a significant amount of money for the intercept drones. And that alone won't be enough. I mean, I think, you know, the guys who know far more about shore range air defense than I do will tell you that you also need, you need to combine it with electronic warfare, which Ukrainians are. And kind of Ukrainians have these mobile firing groups that have EW systems,

• 16:14Speaker 05

  but they also have anti aircraft artillery like the German Gepard, you know, with with heavy machine guns that that fire at very, you know, at very, very high rate. So you need a combination of all of these things in order to be effective. So you've got both sides, you know, battling for primacy. And I read somewhere that there's kind of a 15 to 20 day innovation cycle. All right, on both sides for upgrading software. It's an adaptation race between both sides. And it's like something out of science fiction. Right? I know this sounds horribly cliched, but it really is.

• 16:55Speaker 05

  And again, I, I, I hope that we're not just taking note of this, but that we are planning to adapt our systems, both our drone and our range air defense systems to to kind of keep pace.

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• 19:33Speaker 03

  Andy, you were in that military world for a very long time. Are you confident that we are doing that?

• 19:39Speaker 05

  No, not at all, not at all. You know, I mean, there's and it's not, it's not a simple fix, right? We, we and, and look, Mick knows more about this than I do. I mean, he was way higher in the, in the Pentagon's labyrinth than I, than I was. But the, the ability to do a quick turn on adaptation with acquisition, even within special operations community is something we've always struggled with.

• 20:11Speaker 05

  I don't know. I mean, I know we're experimenting with all these things, but I don't know that our system, acquisition system, our industrial, defense industrial complex is agile enough now to keep pace with this level of adaptation. Mick, what would you, if you're throwing the ball to, what are your thoughts about that?

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that's a very fair point, and it's something that I, it's been identified that it, it's, it's not fast enough to even move at a pace that keeps track of just normal advancements. But stuff is happening so quickly in Ukraine that I think we're going to have to figure out how to keep pace. Uh, one is going to be, how do we get our hands on the new technology that's being developed and how to operationalize that technology? Hopefully that's part of what the US gets out of, um, its continuous support for Ukraine. I mean, I think we should obviously do

• 21:13Speaker 04

  that. I think we should increase our support. But one of the benefits, uh, we'd get other than supporting an, an ally that's in an existential fight and, uh, seriously degrading our, probably our most dangerous adversary, but certainly one of the top two. Uh, we'd also should, should try to really capitalize on this, you know, quantum leap of technology and how to use technology in modern warfare, both to get it ourselves and to be able to manufacture this, uh, when we need it. And right now, I don't think we're at that place. We're not even at

• 21:53Speaker 04

  that place for conventional weapons like, you know, 100, 155 rounds. It's something I think that's concerned a lot of, a lot of folks in the Pentagon, uh, when they realize it's hard to keep up with just supporting an ally fighting against an adversary. What if it was us? What if it was two, what if it was a two, uh, front war?

• 22:16Speaker 05

  So a lot of big questions. To your point about the in short range defense, the imbalance, the asymmetry between costs, right, which which does have a cumulative effect. And you've got the Patriot system, or you've got even, you know, the Ukrainians had the RST, and and the interceptor missiles cost a million dollar, a million dollars apiece. I know that's a sounds like an absurdly round figure to throw around, but it roughly in that order, right? And and for the JARAN two, much less than the, you know, the JARAN two, which is what the Russians using right now, they're about $200,000 apiece. So there is an imbalance there. The other problem

• 22:57Speaker 05

  is that while 700 JARAN drones seems like a lot, and it is a lot, the Russians haven't yet got to the point where they're swarming these things, you know, really having hundreds of thousands of them on a on a single target. And that is really going to become a problem. And it's a problem that that we in the US should be preparing for, too. And interceptor drones aren't going to be able to counter that. The best defense so far has been, you know, gun systems. And and Ukrainians do have, they've got something called the Sky Sentinel,

• 23:35Speaker 05

  which is apparently effective against, has been used against, you know, smaller swarms. I think the Germans, Rheinmetall's got something called Skynext, you know, but these are, these are systems that are getting tested now in Ukraine. And again, it's, I hope, I hope that we're not just paying attention, but but doing our own R and D and acquisition. And even if, but even if we're doing that, it's a question of being able to, to acquire, procure, and field these things in the quantity that they're needed, and then adapt them to the changing threat. I mean, a 15 to 20 day innovation cycle. I mean, we, we just

• 24:19Speaker 05

  can't hope to keep pace with that. It's an irony, isn't it? We're the most powerful nation on earth, and yet we're seeing how things are evolving here and facing the fact that that the systems that we have now are obsolete, and they're always going, we're always going to be condemned to to using systems that are obsolete. In this, in this type of war, you know, obviously, we've got the F-35, blah, blah, blah. I'm sure when it comes to defense against drones, their defense.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  So worrying asymmetry.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, very worrying. Um. Going back to, I want to touch on the 10 days now, the 10 day deadline. Uh, what happens after 10 days? I know that India and China are getting a lot of their gas from Russia. Um. There was talk about sanctioning Russia's, you know, who they sell gas to and oil to. Uh, India indicated that they were still willing, still gonna be getting gas and oil from Russia. So after 10 days, what happens? Do we push the goalposts a little bit more again? Like, what's the story? Well, you know, because 10 days is coming up, like.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  Well, it depends on whether the Senate passes the sanctioning Russia act. Because what President Trump's talking about was basically 100% tariff on. Russia. I mean, we tariff Canada, so it's not. I don't think, and we don't buy anything from Russia because they'll sell anything worth buying except for energy. So that's not going to mean anything unless they actually do secondary research. Because that affects the actual countries that purchase things from Russia. And you just nailed it there, D. It's India and China buying Russian oil. If, if it doesn't deter them from actually buying it. And they, and it just, you know, essentially, and I think it was 500%. Um, is what they were talking about with that act.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  Uh, it, it could be disruptive. I'm not an economist. I'm sure it will be disruptive to the international markets. I don't know how much more it'll be than what's already happening and just went into place. Uh, but hopefully it does keep India and China from buying Russian oil. If it doesn't, it won't have an effect. It just won't have an effect at all, except for maybe prices for us. Um, in the United States and. So it has to be, it has to be a collective effort. I should say comprehensive. It needs to also include significant weapon systems without the restrictions placed on it. They need to be able to strike anywhere in Russia.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  Obviously, military targets, to Andy's point, Russia doesn't target military targets. Russia targets civilians, period. They just killed but thirty civilians, five of them children, one of them was two-year-old, like within the last forty-eight hours. But, but of course, we don't, we don't do that, and we don't allow people to use our weapons to do that. Ukraine's not going to do it. But they need to be able to hit military targets anywhere. They need to increase. There's a talk about

• 27:18Speaker 04

  a European defense shield-like system, which would include, I think, a Western Ukraine. So there's a lot of things that need to happen if, if people are thinking that the, these tariffs, the sanctioning bill is going to just change everything. Unfortunately, I wish it would too. I don't think it is. I think we should do it, uh, and hope, hope that, uh, these countries like India and China think twice and just don't buy Russian energy. Uh, but it's, it's, it's something to consider. It's also probably going to drive up, you know, the cost of oil everywhere. There's consequences to it. But if we say we're gonna do it, uh, we, and then we don't,

• 27:59Speaker 04

  then who the hell is gonna listen to us from now on? You can't bluff. You gotta, you gotta mean what you say and, and say what you mean. Because, uh, if you don't, then this is gonna be the last time we'll be, we'll start becoming irrelevant. Uh, at least when it comes to the diplomatic side of this, if we don't actually do what we said we're gonna do. Because they have a chance.

• 28:21Speaker 05

  You know what? D, I know this is a little bit slightly off topic, but it's not because we're still talking about Russia. Uh, and another interesting, we, we talk about what Russia is doing. I mean, I, I agree with D. I mean, I'm sorry, of course, I agree with you, D. Thank you. But, but again, you know, Mex is a hundred percent right.

• 28:42Speaker 05

  When we look at Russian actions, it's not just what Russia is doing within Ukraine. Russian sabotage operations in Europe almost quadrupled in between 23 and 24, according to it's RUSI, right, the Royal United Service Institute, it's a big think tank in London. So it's a, this is coming from a legitimate source. And it's everything from, you know, damage to undersea cables, interference with water supply systems in Finland and Germany. There's been attacks on military, on military equipment in North and Eastern Europe.

• 29:22Speaker 05

  There's been warehouses set on fire in the UK. I mean, all kinds of stuff. And it's, it's interesting. It's kind of a gig economy. The Russians, rather than, and Mick knows more about this than I do, but so many Russian intelligence agents have been, have been expelled from their host countries in the last two years, that a lot of this is being carried out by proxies, by criminal groups, right? You know, there was, for instance, you know, I talked about a fire in a warehouse, it's a Ukrainian linked warehouse in London that was set on fire by, by a criminal.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  It was basically guys who'd worked for the Wagner Group. And so, and we may think in the US, hey, this doesn't affect us. It does, because a lot of this is NATO infrastructure. And, you know, there's a problem here, because a lot of NATO infrastructure, for instance, the, the transportation systems that, that NATO will rely on in the event of the crisis, 90% of that is civilian, right? And so, and they, and it's very vulnerable. So satellite communications.

• 30:48Speaker 05

  NATO's uses, I think it's something like half of its satellite communications is comes from commercial providers. And so the, you know, it's a question of, of, of not just countering what the Russians are doing, but building up, uh, built, just enabling NATO to build up this resilience to this kind of sabotage because it's just going to increase. You know, so my point is, yeah, we, Russia is doing the same sort of thing that Iran is doing in, in regionally in the, in the Middle East. I mean, there's all this malign stuff in the background that is, is becoming really, it is undermining NATO's ability to mobilize

• 31:29Speaker 05

  and deploy. I know that's a, that's been an exaggeration right now, but potentially going ahead. As I've said, these, these sort of attacks are going to increase and there needs to be, needs to be something done to, to at least signal that not only we're aware of this, but we're not going to put up this shit anymore.

• 31:48Speaker 11

  Yeah. Poland just detained, I think it's, uh, hold on here, 32 people, um, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and a Colombian guy on suspicion, some not just suspicion, but of, um, working with Russia. Oh, fuck was that Colombian guy? Yeah, he was, um, he was accused in two arson attacks last year in Poland, Molotov cocktails. So, um, I mean, you're absolutely right, Andy. This is their way of, uh, indirectly pricking at NATO and the United States, you know, without a head on, um, uh, conflict. So, and that's like you said, it's going to, if it continues and it's left unchecked,

• 32:33Speaker 11

  it'll play out in the future. Cause if it does come to head to head, they're going to now know what works, what doesn't work, who can we use, those sorts of things. So it's a, uh, it's a battlefield laboratory for them, this kind of stuff.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, man, we'll see what goes down. Hopefully, something fucking happens in the next 10 days, which it won't. Uh, yeah, it's not gonna happen. Anyway, uh, moving on to what's going on in the Middle East, um, Gaza, Israel, same old tune, it feels like, uh, thankfully, AIDS getting in there, uh, hopefully it stays there consistently and, you know, we figure this out. Wickoff was in Gaza, was in Israel, I believe, for negotiations or something. I mean, I don't know what he does really, uh. Russia now, right?

• 33:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, he spent, he spent like five hours, five hours in Gaza.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  And there's, and then, and he's right, then he's on his way to Moscow. But, I mean, the simple fact of the matter is, it requires about 400 food aid stations that were run by the UN to distribute to 2.2 million people in Gaza. There's four of them now. And, uh, and quite frankly, you can't even, you can't really cross the Netzerin corridor, which is, uh, cuts off the northern part of Gaza, so they can't even get down there to get the food. So,

• 33:58Speaker 04

  there's a lot of discussion. There's six countries now involved in the airdrops. Airdrops aren't the, aren't the ideal solution. They're expensive. The ideal solution, or just the solution would be to open the ground corridors, the trucks.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Why aren't they, why aren't they opening them?

• 34:13Speaker 04

  I don't know. I don't, I don't think. Yeah, there's a good excuse. I think there, I think you, again, airdrops are good because they can get to populate, parts of the population that can't get, you can't get food to by truck. But the, the quick answer here is to open the ground corridors. They need at least 500 to 600 trucks a day. Uh, and probably even more than that to catch up. But right now, um, we've had, you know, it's the worst case scenario when it comes to famine. We're starting to see starvation of children. That's, they're usually first, and they're a little vulnerable. Then you'll see the elderly and the infirm. Uh, then you'll see it, it's, it could skyrocket. That's how famines usually happen. Um, once people start dying, they start dying in droves.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  So, it, it is no, there's really no excuse. There's that, literally thousands of tons of food within miles of where these people are. It's not easy to distribute at all, um, you know, I'm not saying that. But the, the quickest way to feed people. In Gaza is to open up the ground corridors and let the UN and NGOs back in there to distribute. They need a lot of distribution points and they need a lot of food. It's not in the zone, ground primarily, but air, good for the countries is rogered up to it. We need to start drawing and we need to start running a lot more flights per day into Gaza.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  But it's gonna go up, it's gonna get worse.

• 35:43Speaker 05

  Hey, and I'll see your question to why the Israelis aren't doing this. And this is not a defense of what is happening at all. I'm just, it's a, it's a massive failure. Back in May, Israel, the IDF launched an offensive as a campaign called Gideon's Chariots, right? And those of you who know biblical history, I think Gideon smoked the Midianites. Is that right? Anyway, so the Gideon's Chariots was intended, it was intended to be a purposeful. It was kind of the brainchild of Zamir, who's their, you know, the chief of staff.

• 36:26Speaker 05

  And it was intended to be finally a purposeful end to Hamas. Because in the eyes of the IDF leadership, they need to get Gaza done and finished. So that they can focus on Iran because they are convinced that Iran will want revenge for, you know, what has, what has happened in the last few months. So, so the part of, basically Gideon's Chariots focused on offenses re-clearing. We talked about this before, how the Israelis do not clear and hold. They clear and they clear again and they clear again.

• 37:06Speaker 05

  And every night.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Every night down at the tactical level, they withdraw back into their FOBs and there's a McNunn, McNunn is the term for it, these expeditory FOBs that they set up, they, and a lot of this comes down to the fact that they are, they're not good at urban fighting. They've got the commando brigade that is very good, that's made up of Israeli soft, but their mainstream infantry have, have shown themselves to be very poor, to be honest, from the beginning of the campaign. And that is one, just one reason why the Israelis are so heavy on supporting arms, is because whenever they run into contact, they come to a halt, and they go firm, and they bring in supporting arms, because they don't trust

• 37:54Speaker 05

  their infantry to go in and clear buildings. It's not like Fallujah, where we were going in, kicking doors and fighting the moog, you know, head on. They, they don't do that because they, their infantry aren't that well trained. And I can go into it tomorrow, I'm not just shooting from the hip here, again and again. And I've got many friends in the IDF who will, who will tell me this, they don't, you know, they've got dudes in the routine, and, and routine, individual and collective tasks that we practice to again and again, are not done, not done in the Israeli military. They have inexperienced NTOs, they have officers who don't go through the same kind of selection as training as we do. So it all cascades down, and that is one reason why they're relying heavily

• 38:36Speaker 05

  on supporting arms. But, but, but anyway, so there's, there's all these offensives to retake areas that they've already taken. But in conjunction with that, is, and this is where we're saying what's breaking down, is an attempt at population control. You know, population control in every, has been, has been, it's been practiced in every counterinsurgency, but the Israelis are doing it in a very ham-fisted way. You know, in, I mean, we had our own issues with population control with the pacification program in, in Vietnam. The British did a better job in Malaya, you know, where they put, they put Chinese civilians into, into

• 39:18Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, I made strategic handlets and they're not, but the British had a similar program in Malaya. Uh, population control can be problematic, all right, because for a number of reasons. We did a better job as former population control in Iraq and Afghanistan using bats, you know, using the biometric systems. Um, but also some of your, your listeners will, our listeners will remember in, in Baghdad in, in oh six, oh seven. We had to use walled off sectors to keep the Shia and Sunni apart from each other. Anyway. Long, the long way of saying, so the Israelis think that they can, um, by controlling food.

• 40:03Speaker 05

  All right, by, by denying food to certain areas, they can force the population into other areas. And as they force them into those areas, they can screen them, right? Using all kinds of technical means, um, facial recognition, AI and everything to ensure that they are separating the population from Hamas. There's all kinds of issues with this. That, that because their systems, the way they do things are not good enough. They don't, they don't understand, they're not really, they, they, they're not, they don't, they're not embedded in the population in the way that we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. And so, and, and the other thing is the, the Israelis are poorly disciplined. So they start moving. Um, unit, uh, populations from one place to another or trying to control distribution of food.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  And coordination between units is poor. And so you get, uh, you know, you've had like eight, nine hundred civilians at a conservative estimate. Killed at, as they queue for feud, food or kill as they moved into areas where other portions of the Israeli military are moving them in. So the whole, the whole thing, just because it's been, it, it, I would say honestly, because of the training and competence, uh, at the tactical level is so poor.

• 41:19Speaker 05

  And and the discipline is so poor, the whole process has broken down. It wasn't well conceived to begin with. Um, and it is proving to be a disaster. It's proving a disaster to the Palestinians, of course, who are who are suffering starvation. You know, I'm getting, um, you know, I've got uh, contacts who come out of Gaza, working for aid agencies and, you know, to include uh, in one case, a guy who's who's former uh, military guy, special operations guy in a way, very formidable Western military, knows what he's talking about. But yes, starvation is is definitely a thing there. It's, I mean, it's horrific. And it's a, it's a public relations disaster. It's a military disaster. In a word, it's military

• 42:04Speaker 05

  a failure for the Israelis and they they realize this. And in the meeting about as early, it's like twenty first, twenty second of July, uh, Zemir announced to the generals, hey, we need to get the hell out of, basically, he didn't say get the hell out of, we need to just move on from Gaza. But now they're stuck with this problem. And you've still got this plan to kind of still go ahead with population control. And that's why they they're keeping the the uh, the borders closed. And you've got a segment of the Western population who really believe that you know, there's a purpose to this, um, and don't understand how badly things are are breaking out and think that all this word about starvation

• 42:46Speaker 05

  is uh, is made up by by anti Semites. Um, and you know, I I would argue if this was happening in Europe, there would be a very, very different response.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Anybody?

• 43:00Speaker 04

  Agreed. So I can say. Well, I think history is going to judge people who uh, restrict food to children that are in the last stages of starvation and probably more important, their conscience. We're gonna run for it because uh, it's not made up. There's plenty of there's plenty of uh, evidence to the contrary. Uh, they they need to let more food in. And I mean, all you do is count the trucks. Right before the war, there was five to six hundred trucks a day of food aid going into uh, Gaza. And there was, you know, about a thousand commercial trucks of of food and such. None of it's going in. So, I mean, it's uh,

• 43:41Speaker 04

  You don't have to be, you know, a scientist on, you know, or expert in IPC levels to realize, sorry, there's a wedding right over here and they just started playing a harp. Since that's what you do in a wedding and art, but that, that's, uh, that's something that you're not going to be able to talk yourself out of. History is going to record it. They need to change it. They need to get food in there.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  Immediately. The other aspect that came out, I think it was this week with several Arab countries, including the Arab League, calling for Hamas to disarm and leave. Not sure why that took so long to call for them to do that. Seems like they would call for them to do that on September, I mean, on October 8th. But I think it's important to point out because ultimately, everybody realizes there's no way out of this. Unless Hamas is not in charge, because Israel is not going to leave Hamas in charge in any form or fashion.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  I think we should expect them to. So they're going to have to start looking for the exit. And hopefully they take the exit. Yes, there's going to be a new version of Hamas. Yes, there's going to be major radicalization. You know, from all of this heavy-handed approach. But ultimately, the leaders that carried out October 7th. Or their, you know, second-tier leaders, they need to go, they need to die, but they need to go and need to leave. They obviously don't care at all about the people of Gaza. They wouldn't have started this conflict and they wouldn't have had a ceasefire 10 times over by now. They're, they're more concerned about their own livelihood than the people that they claim to care about.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, Meg knows better than anyone here and kudos to you and your organization, Meg, for trying to relieve what is happening there. I mean. You know, so the word coming out from the, yes, the UN, but other agencies, 20,000 children in Gaza hospitalized hospitalized with acute malnutrition. I mean, and this is a manmade crisis.

• 45:55Speaker 05

  And it just, it just, again, I mean, I think if it was happening in Europe, there would be a very different response. And, and I think part of it just pertains, it's not just about the right wing in Israel. The frightening thing is that there seems to be.

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• 47:08Speaker 05

  Implicit condoning of this by, by a large segment of the population. And I think it comes down to,

• 47:18Speaker 05

  I'm trying to word this correctly, but the, the view towards the Palestinians is it's, it's like nothing that I have experienced in,

• 47:29Speaker 05

  you know, we talk about racism and everything, but the view towards the Palestinians is really, it seems almost as though there's just any lack of compassion as though they just don't care as though they're talking about, you know, it's almost as though if this was happening in the animal kingdom, there would be more compassion. I, it's, it's quite shocking.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  So we're also gonna see several countries recognize Palestine as a state. The US not being one of them. The reason for the US. One of the reasons, I think, is because. Who's in charge? I mean, in order to be a state, you actually have to have a governing body. They don't really have it. You could talk about the Palestinian Authority. But one of the factors that goes into that for people's knowledge. Is that if you recognize Palestine as a state. Then Israel becomes an occupying power. And then there's requirements for occupying powers. That deals specifically with ensuring that no. Population that goes without food because you're now responsible for them because you're occupying.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  So there's, there's actually legal consequences to, we'll see, and I think it was, it's what the UK. If there's no ceasefire, there's France, and then I think Canada, right?

• 48:48Speaker 04

  So we'll see. If, if they intend to declaration that it's a state to then mean. That they're going to find Israel in violation of several international laws if they believe they're not. Providing adequate food to the population that they occupy. So that's one of the legal questions that will come. From those declarations if they happen.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  Why do you think the US isn't doing it?

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Why do I think the US is doing what?

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Isn't, isn't trying to declare Palestine as its own state?

• 49:21Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, so they don't, uh. There's, there's certain things that you'd have to have as a state, one is a, is a governing body.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  They're also not gonna recognize Hamas, you know, designated terrorist organization. As a governing body of the state that they would then recognize. The Palestinian Authority has, has, it's very little actual authority. They're largely considered corrupt and inept. And in, in many cases. With the Palestinian people, less popular than Hamas. And you can believe it. So I think. One, the US, of course, supports Israel and doesn't want to, you know, cut them off the knees by support, by recognizing a Palestine who is nowhere near close to statehood. That being said, unless it's changed, maybe it has, the policy has always been a,

• 50:12Speaker 04

  the US has always been a two-state solution, so that we should eventually end with, you know, an Israeli state, a Palestinian state that live in harmony next to one another,

• 50:22Speaker 04

  and focus more on their own people. Israel does, but Palestine, it focuses more on its own people than attacking its neighbor. So, I don't know that that's actually the same policy that's existed for many administrations. But if it is, then ultimately, we need to do things that pushes us in the right direction to get there. It's hard to even talk about it right now with the current state, to be frank. I don't think anybody in Israel right now just wants to talk about it right now. But I do think ultimately, the US could play a significant role. But it's time to start heading back in that direction. So we want the Gulf states to do things like join the Abraham Accords, or more of them, Saudi Arabia specifically.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  They're not going to do it unless there's, you know, obviously a ceasefire and there's some kind of significant step toward a diplomatic path to a two-state

• 51:17Speaker 04

  end state in this whole

• 51:21Speaker 04

  Palestine-Israeli issue.

• 51:25Speaker 03

  I got one last question for, you know, Mick, Jay and Andy. You guys, you know, have Israeli friends. I mean, I do too.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  And I ask them, and I'll ask you guys, I don't know if you can get like, kind of like a sense of what they're coming, what they're thinking, but do they not, at least in my understanding, what I'm thinking is happening is, Israel's actions over the last two years are going on two years.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  I think has generated a completely new generation of antisemites because people unfortunately, you know, they're dumb and they can't discern between, you know, a right wing Israeli Zionist guy who wants to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the earth and like a regular, you know, Joe Israeli person that lives in Israel that deserves to have a secure state like everybody else like the Palestinians do. Um, do they realize that like, like antisemitism, especially in the West, I would say is on the rise in a big way. And I think it's predominantly because of Israel's actions in Gaza. Do you guys have a sense of that in terms of like the people that you know, you talk to that are from Israel or, you know?

• 52:41Speaker 04

  I have, yeah, like you said, I have a lot of Israeli friends, a lot in the IDF, as you, yeah. Um, I think it's important to point out, I mean, it's not a monolithic way of viewing the world. In Israel, it's a democracy, just like it isn't in the United States. And it might surprise some people, but a lot of the IDF is pretty moderate. Uh, and they're ready to get this thing over because they're, they're the ones, it's, it's, it's a lot of reservists, quite frankly, whose entire life has been put on hold, like, I don't, uh, young folks that I've talked to that wanted to be a doctor, they've given it up now because they've, you know, two years now and they haven't even gone to school. So like, you get the point.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  I think people who think, you know, they're antisemitic because they disagree with the policies of Benjamin Netanyahu or,

• 53:28Speaker 04

  man, they're missing a lot, right? So, I mean, are you going to be, it's not, it's not a perfect analogy, but are you going to be anti-American just because you disagree with Trump or Biden, right? I mean, it's, you should be able to, one, you should be able to disagree if you do with, uh, Prime Minister Netanyahu and not be labeled an antisemite, right?

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  I mean, you should be able to disagree because there's just plenty of Israeli Jews that disagree with Netanyahu's policies. And I don't think anybody's going to call them an antisemite. So I think you should have the right to do it. But I, the people that are all of a sudden becoming, you know, anti-Jewish because they disagree with the policies of current, current administration in Israel are just.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Ignorant, I mean, I guess that's the root of all prejudice, whether it's antisemitism or racism or anything else like that. But I mean, just, I mean, we live in a democracy, you can disagree with your own government, you certainly can agree with another, disagree with another government, just don't turn it into, you know, something toxic like antisemitism or anything like that. And I think people that are using it as, hey, you can't disagree with me because, you know, I'll call you a name. I mean, that's, that's just immature. You gotta, you gotta be able to debate and uphold your own ideas.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  And, and there's plenty of people that disagree with the current policy of food restrictions, if you will, in Gaza. And they're from all sides of the aisle, and it's growing. And I think you can even see it in the, in the White House. I think there's a big concern with how this is going because the US now is the part owner of it.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. Andy, or Jay, whoever, tell me.

• 55:17Speaker 11

  Yeah, it's been, my, my experience has pretty much been the same as Mick. It's my friends at Israeli, you know, Jewish, and even those that aren't, they see, most of them see it for what it is. You can't, you can't fight the empirical evidence of the starvation that's going on and, and say that it's, it's justified. Now, I do have some, and I, we talked about it off air before we started, I have some that are, who I, they actually surprise me, who are buying into this, there is no starvation, it's not happening, that Israel has fed more, has provided more aid than anyone combined,

• 56:00Speaker 11

  any country combined in history, and we just know that's not true. So the majority of them see it for what it is, and like Mick as well, a lot of my friends that are IDF are reservists, and most of them have said, we just wanted to get our licks in for October 7th, and now we want to go home, you know. Of course Hamas is not over and done with, and they realize that, but they know that this is an ongoing thing, so, but the way it's happening, working right now, it's just not. It's not the what they want. So, but again, not a monolith. I can't speak for them and they can't speak for all Jews. So, you know, that's just the opinions they're giving me.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  Andy, Andy?

• 56:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, I can't, I can't add to, and I can't add in a way that that does add to what Bill and Jason said. So, I mean, I'm sorry, to Mick and Jason said, what I, what I can say is just a comment that, you know, Israel has performed operationally very successfully against the threat in Lebanon and against the threat from Iran. Israel has failed tactically and strategically because of Gaza. And the war is a failure. Twenty-two months in, I think, you know, do

• 57:30Speaker 05

  this by by Israel's, by Netanyahu's own stated outcomes to war is a failure. Hamas is not only not, it hasn't been destroyed. It's still a long way from being destroyed. And the intangible part of this is, even if it was, even if you could say every single member of Hamas's leadership has been destroyed, the organization cannot conduct any operations, even at the tactical level, even if you could say that, which you cannot. What lies ahead? What lies ahead in the next five, 10 years? Do you think that Hamas to, you know, 2.0 is not, is not going to emerge from the ashes of this after everything that has happened? You know, it's that, it's

• 58:12Speaker 05

  that kind of, that's, that's, and, and Israel has gained approbium, approbium, which sort of the word is, is in, in the eyes of the world, right? Yeah, I know that's a very general discussion, but a general point, but you think about, you think about for much of Israel's history, Israel has been able

• 58:38Speaker 05

  To has seen to the world as kind of a David against Goliath up until, say, early 1980s, right? Surrounded by enemies, et cetera, et cetera. Well, now the shoe's on the other foot and Israel is seen. I'm just saying this is a right a common perception throughout the world in a way that I would imagine most Israelis don't want to be seen.

• 59:03Speaker 05

  And and that might be Netanyahu might be able to justify approbium, sorry. It's just what just came to me. Netanyahu might be able to justify that if if Gaza had been a success, if Hamas had been absolutely destroyed, there would be no other threat than Hamas. But but that hasn't happened. And so at great cost to its own reputation and in terms of, you know, cost to in terms of lives, phenomenally high cost in terms of Palestinians, the vast majority of whom I think there can be no argument have been blameless civilians. Israel has achieved nothing in 22 months. And in fact, not only

• 59:47Speaker 05

  achieved nothing, but it is in a worse position than it than the country was in 2000 in on October the 8th, 2023. On October the 8th, Israel had the sympathy of the world. And they squandered that in this in this badly run, highly destructive campaign.

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, God, man, we should fucking finish on a happy note. Mick, give us some give us some Irish fucking propaganda, please, before we leave.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Some Irish propaganda. But it's a lot of Irish propaganda doesn't actually end on a happy note, just so you know. I mean, I guess you can look at it this way, right? So there was two-state solution, right? At one time, when you're sitting where I am in Mayo County. You know, during the troubles, you know, when Ireland was trying to get its independence, they went through famine, they went through nonstop war. And now, please do come, visit Ireland and you'll see that it's, uh, there, there couldn't be a good inning, is my point. There can be a good inning. Ireland is now, uh, I think the actual most educated country in the world. It is one of the most charitable countries in the world, probably because of its history.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Uh, and present company excluded and potentially all Irish Americans excluded. They're some of the nicest people in the world somehow, uh, at all of, uh, after all that, uh, they are, they are in fact, I think, an example of how one could persevere and succeed. And there would have been a time when you'd be sitting here and you wouldn't have seen the light at the end of the tunnel. Just like there's, there's little kids in Gaza that certainly aren't seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And maybe this could be an example for them. How about that?

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:04:27Speaker 08

  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 1:04:47Jack Murphy?

  But they're also for sale on the merch shop. And additionally, they got T-shirts up there, water bottles, a tote bag, coffee mugs, all that good stuff.

• 1:04:58Speaker 08

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:05:13Speaker 09

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:05:24Speaker 08

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:05:29Speaker 10

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:05:35Speaker 08

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 1:05:55Jack Murphy?

  So please go and check them out and support the show. We really appreciate it, guys. Thank you.

• 1:06:05Speaker 08

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:06:20Speaker 09

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:06:31Speaker 08

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:06:36Speaker 10

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:06:42Speaker 08

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 1:07:09Speaker 08

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:07:24Speaker 09

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to "I'm deathly allergic", in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:07:35Speaker 08

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:07:40Speaker 10

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:07:46Speaker 08

  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

• 1:08:06Speaker 00

  She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Zolair 150mg is a prescription medication used to treat food allergy in people one year of age and older to reduce allergic reactions due to accidental exposure to one or more foods. While taking Zolair, you should continue to avoid all foods to which you are allergic. Don't use if you are allergic to Zolair. Zolair may cause a severe, life-threatening allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Tell your doctor if you ever had anaphylaxis. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing or if you have swelling of your throat or tongue. Zolair should not be used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Zolair is for maintenance use to reduce allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, while avoiding food allergens. Serious side effects such as cancer, fever, muscle aches and rash, parasitic infection, or heart and circulation problems have been reported. Please see zolair.com for full prescribing information. Ask an allergist about Zolair.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

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