Lane Johnson Super Bowl Champion on Eagles' pressure to produce this season, why Jalen Hurts is a top QB , Saquon Barkley's key to success, Nick Sirianni's coaching vulnerability, Philadelphia's imperfection and how mental health shaped his strength

“I don’t mind being the Robin to Batman, I love that role.” Lane Johnson All Pro Offensive Lineman x Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl Champion As our NFL training camp tour continues, we make a stop to catch up with the reigning Super Bowl Champion, Philadelphia Eagles and the man who anchored the team- All Pro Lane Johnson. On this episode of The Pivot Podcast, Ryan, Channing and Fred sit down with the superstar offensive tackle, as the Eagles gear up for another season and a pressure-filled training camp. Lane reflects on the highs and lows of his championship journey, the mental and physical preparation that keeps him at the top of his game, and what it takes to stay hungry after reaching the pinnacle of success. He gives personal perspective and locker room insight about his quarterback Jalen Hurts, what makes him a winner and someone who leads by the work he puts in not the words he speaks. Lane describes the moment he found out his team landed Saquon Barkley and how his biggest high on the field is run-first offense and blocking for his running back. With candid insights into the grind of an NFL season, Lane opens up about his battles with injury, mental health struggles, the leadership required in the locker room, and the family-like bond he shares with his teammates. From his early days in the league to winning his first Super Bowl and navigating the pressures that come with being a key player on a constant contender, Lane’s perspective is as real as it gets. Tap in as we talk all things football, the sacrifices behind the scenes, and the mindset of a champion who's ready to do it all over again. This episode is packed with raw emotion, motivation, and a glimpse into the mind of one of the NFL’s most dominant forces. Tune in now to hear Lane Johnson’s story—his journey, his triumphs, and what drives him to be the best out on the field and the respect he's earned from the entire league. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  Eagles all-pro tackle Lane Johnson is a throwback. And at one point, he was a quarterback. He's a lock for Canton, Ohio, but the best right tackle in ball isn't even thinking of retirement. He grew up in a small Texas town with hoop dreams, but with few college options, it was the Juco route. Two position changes later, and he was the fourth overall pick of the draft. Philly's a culture shock for anyone, so thank God for the Jasons. Yep, that's Kelsey and Peters. They taught Johnson no way to Eagles fans' hearts. There's still been setbacks in his career. A battle with injury, anxiety, and depression forced Johnson away from the game in 2021. But his story of resilience has inspired many. He praised the consistency of Jalen Hurts, the vulnerability of head coach Nick Sirianni,

• 1:13Ryan Clark?

  and he also highlights some of his marquee one-on-one battles. Before he left, we had to debate the importance of the tush push. He even dished on parenting and letting jiu-jitsu do all the hard work. He's 35 now, but he has a ton left in the tank. I mean, dude showed up in gloves, cleats, and a sweaty dry fit. Nothing could be more offensive lineman. So buckle your chin strap for a knockout sit-down as the Pivot Training Camp Tour stops in the city of brotherly love, and me, Fred, and Chan chop it up with all-pro tackle Lane Johnson right now.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Hey, you gotta mic the little dude up. Hey, you know what I started doing? Started taping my hands? Yep. Mm-hmm.

• 1:54Channing Crowder?

  So you can jab the shit out of people.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  I'm saying, why didn't we do that? Right. You can undo it after every series?

• 2:01Ryan Clark?

  This is the most old lineman thing that's ever happened on the pivot.

• 2:05Channing Crowder?

  No washing.

• 2:06Ryan Clark?

  Because there's other things.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  They're like, fresh and clean. I'm like, they're dirtiest. Good.

• 2:10Ryan Clark?

  If you move your seat, they're not gonna be there to see you.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Right here. Good.

• 2:15Channing Crowder?

  Do you know how big you are?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Not as big as Jordan. Thank God.

• 2:19Ryan Clark?

  Like I said, though, this is the most offensive lineman thing that's ever happened on the pivot. But, I mean, shoot, will you future Hall of Famer? I guess Layman was like, shit, I come out here any kind of way.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Nah, because I watch y'all's stuff all the time. I was like, hey, I know there ain't many linemen on it, hey, but I still be watching. I'll be in the shadows watching.

• 2:34Ryan Clark?

  Hey, appreciate it.

• 2:54Ryan Clark?

  Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder, Ryan Clark, pivot fan. Thank y'all for pivoting with us in our training camp tour. Layman, I just want to ask about, like, your feelings on where you are now with the journey of quarterback to tight end, junior college, Oklahoma, a high draft pick. You've dealt with personal adversity, you've dealt with adversity in your career on the field. What sort of space are you in now when you look at what you've accomplished?

• 3:22Speaker 02

  I'm in a good headspace, except when some of my teammates come in here during training camp and they're all retired and feeling, you know, got some free time on their hands. But the other than that, I miss my guys, but, I mean, I feel, I feel good. I feel better than when I was 30, you know, going through surgeries on my ankle. So I think what motivated me is that I had some, some prime years of mine robbed. I felt like really two good years and I, and I'm trying to make up for it now. So the hunger's still there. All my guys keep me, you know, hungry and humble and I'm trying to have a good time, you know, whatever time I have left, because you know how it is. Once you, once you're out of the building, man, it's hard to replicate what you feel inside of it. 100%.

• 3:58Channing Crowder?

  Even though we were just at practice and you went to talk to the fans and they, they introduced you as future Hall of Famer. Like that presentation and everybody knows you one of the best tackles ever to play this game, but is that pressure or is that just, you know, I've worked hard enough to be that?

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, but it wasn't always like that. Like I'm just now getting this, this is year 13 for me. So, you know, year five, year 10, I kind of thrived on just doing my job and eventually guys would notice. But what was pressure for me is I was coming in as a fourth overall pick and I got Jason Peters, you know, nine time Pro Bowler and one of the best to do it. And you got to, okay, just watch him, replicate him. So, but I was very thankful to have him as a mentor. You know, some guys could see somebody coming in and being competition that wanted to help him. But he took me under his wing and really, like I said, I only played two years in college. So him teaching me the game, the ins and outs of it. I just felt like, you know, usually his guys kind of age, 20, a high 20s, lower 30s, I'm still, I'm still pushing envelope. So, you know, I got, I got lots of good guys helping me along the way.

• 4:55Fred Taylor?

  Man, you, you, you just, two things just stood out right there. You said, fourth overall pick, right? When you drafted here, and then you played two years of college ball. Earlier, R C, he kind of briefly touched on the, the, you know, the transition from QB to tight end to DN to lineman. Like, kind of paint that picture for us though, man. Cause how, how, how is that being a quarterback?

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it.

• 5:19Fred Taylor?

  You're a freaking quarterback, all state. And then now you got a, you, you end up as a, a offensive lineman. That doesn't hap-

• 5:26Speaker 02

  No, I never thought, thought it was going to be this way. I never wanted, envisioned it to be this way. So, I went to Oklahoma as a tight end. I knew that's probably what I was gonna end up playing. Played some, some backup, first two years. Then it switched me halfway through my sophomore year to DN. I was around 275, 80 pounds and it was Josh Heiple, Mark Mangino came to practice. And so they converted Jamal Brown at Oklahoma from D tackle to O tackle, you know, back in early 2000s. And I remember going to spring practice and I was, I was at DN and then they tapped me on the shoulder and told me to do a pass set. And I did it and it kind of felt like basketball to me because I grew up, that's all I played was basketball. So for me, it was something that came natural. You know, initially when they asked me to do it, I was like, man, hell no, that's the last, it's the last resort.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  But then I knew, you know, I was gonna be a backup guy at some of those other positions and I was just, I was new to it. I was all about it. And as a quarterback, man, it was, you know, it's too different. You got the 707, us linebackers, cornerbacks, and then O-line, D-line doing their own thing. So I kind of got, you know, I was in one world and then I got immersed in this other world, you know, the past 15 years. But yeah, it was nothing that, that was definitely not planned. I didn't expect it, but I, my goal was, I was trying to play. I was tired of sitting on the bench, so that's where I was at.

• 6:35Ryan Clark?

  I don't know if, if your aesthetic has evolved with the position, right? Like the beard and the bald head, that's not even a quarterback look.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, migrated.

• 6:42Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not even a quarterback look. Who does have a quarterback look is your quarterback, right? When, when Jalen walks into the stadium and you had to pick a position, you'd be like, yeah, I know what, what that guy plays. There's been a lot of chatter since the Super Bowl about rankings and where he is and who he is. And like I said on TV, what he is, is a winner, surrounded by a ton of winners on his team. When you think about your quarterback, what are some of the attributes that helps Jalen lead this team in the way that he does?

• 7:12Speaker 02

  I think it's demeanor. The city's very rambunctious, very passionate. I think you need a guy that's very even-kill. Emotions don't ever get high, even when we're winning. We won a Super Bowl, I, you know, we smiled a couple of times, but it was back to work. So when you have a guy like that, uh, you know, when he first came in, you don't know, you don't know if it's a role he's playing. But no, that's how he's always been. And I think, you know, for me, it allows guys to stay calm in pressure moments, uh, seeing the guy never get rattled. And then, you know, with Jalen, man, he's always working. You go in there before practice, he's got his own routine and it's never wavered since he's been a rookie. It's only, you know, kept developing. And now as he's aging, you know, he's becoming more personal with the guys on the team. Uh, but he's always been, you know, the, the same demeanor, same leader from day one, just more evolved over the past couple of years.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  But, you know, I respect how he works, man. That's, that's what I respect about him.

• 8:00Ryan Clark?

  They criticize Jalen because of y'all, pretty much. I blame it on you.

• 8:05Channing Crowder?

  He has Hall of Fame linemen. He has one of the best running backs, man. He bringing say, nah, you already had A.J., you already had T. Smith. You had all them boys. What do you say to people that criticize Jalen because of the fact that y'all have an amazing team?

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's, well, first of all, it's not his fault. Second of all, is, man, you got all these big personalities. I mean, you've been on football, all these teams, you've been a part of huge personalities. Sometimes it's hard to manage all these guys, you know? If we want to hand the ball out to Saquon every time, I'm sure we could leave the league in rushing. If we want to throw the ball replay, I bet we could have, you know, two receivers well above the thousand yard mark. So this guy's being selfless, realizing that, hey, Saquon's coming here, it's gonna be a little bit different style of offense. But, you know, guys all working together, man. That's, you know, and him managing all these guys. But, you know, with Jalen, he just, he continues to win. And I think once, when he does that, I think that can just kind of eliminate some of the conversations. And as guys retire and different things go, obviously, he's gonna answer more questions with different, you know, different seasons.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Whoever is in the lineup, but, man, he's managed everything so well. A lot of things are out of his control.

• 9:05Fred Taylor?

  Do you remember exactly what you were doing when you got the news that y'all were signing Saquon? And could you believe it?

• 9:13Speaker 02

  I couldn't believe it. I said, how did they let this in that for go? They should have never done that.

• 9:19Fred Taylor?

  Never.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Because I saw him running, you know, I was on the sideline, I said, man, this dude's in purgatory right now.

• 9:24Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  I mean, he's got his moments, but I was very excited. Obviously, you know, didn't think it was gonna ever happen, but when I saw him in the locker room with pads on, I was like, okay, this is, this is real. But, man, it took about a play, two plays to realize, man, it's gonna be a special season. Really, like that first pass at Green Bay last year in the end zone, I was like, man, this guy's special. Just being, you know, running, you know, 230 pounds, guys don't move like that, that big. And think about him, man, he's such a galvanizing, like, piece of our locker room, like, such a good, humble guy. And I think, you know, he sets a good example for lots of guys in the locker room.

• 9:58Fred Taylor?

  Just after practice right here, he called me over to the running backs group. And he asked me to share, you know, three pieces of information or things that I did either on the field or off the field throughout my career to make me, you know, become the player that I became. And he said, remove me from it. Right, and I just think, you know, when you talk about Saquon, that's exactly who he is. He doesn't want the fame, he doesn't want the credit. He just wants everybody else around him to get the credit and get better.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's really good with, you know, AJ came in here, Dylan, Will Shipley. I mean, those guys are consistently getting better. So, you know, part of being a good leader, I think, is elevating others. And, uh, I mean, that's what he does. And, uh, man, he's also a fun guy, man. He likes to play golf, talks a lot of shit. So, man, we have fun. We have fun in the huddle, so it's all good.

• 10:45Ryan Clark?

  For you, Lane, there's obviously this sort of wisdom that comes with experience. Um, but you also learn to be open and vulnerable with things that you were dealing with. 2021, you took two weeks away, missed three games. And you came back with the tweet and said, you know, that you were dealing with anxiety. And you were dealing with things like depression. And you felt like you hid those things. What impacted you to make you come out and acknowledge those things publicly? And how did that moment, and how has that moment affected you as you've gone through life since that time?

• 11:23Speaker 02

  You know, for me, what was so hard about that year is I had ankle surgery. And so coming back before training camp, man, I was training, but I couldn't really run. I couldn't propel off my left foot. And so, I mean, training camp and, you know, things that are usually pretty easy for me, wound up being pretty difficult. So, for me, it was like, I'd rather not go on as a show myself than go out there being, you know, somebody that's playing through an injury. So, for me, like, I was at a point where I wanted to be done with the game. But this wasn't going to heal up and turn into what it is now. But it really hindered my performance. You know, I wish the circumstances would have been different, but when I had surgery on this first time, I had a tightrope. So, this is before the 2020 season. I played seven games with the tightrope broke. So, it broke like game two. So, that's holding the two bones together.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  And so, uh, on top of that, I had a deltoid injury that wasn't taken care of. So, I had, which is the rotator cuff of your left ankle. So, I'm playing seven games with that. My shit's all messed up. I had to go into season next year. My ankle's totally decimated. And for me, like, I try not to get beat hardly ever, but when I was out there, I was, I was constantly... Just thinking about this foot, this ankle, how much problems it was giving me. And I was like, man, I just, that's the only time like in my career, I've been in that spot where like, man, this is really, something's really hampering what I'm able to do. And so, the last thing I want to do is admit these guys, hey, man, I can't, you know. And so for me, that's what I had to learn is to not internalize it all. And to be more vocal with them, which is something, you know, as vets, you don't want to tell guys if you're injured, bang up, you try not to be in the training room, you know.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  So that was my thinking, but the main issue was, man, I had a severe ankle injury and I was on my mind constantly. You know, moving forward, something I won't do again as far as, you know, holding back from the team or doing what I did. But I was in a situation, man, I want to be done with football.

• 13:04Ryan Clark?

  What did getting away help you do? Like, how did getting away help you process to the point where you were ready to come back? Be honest about what, and be honest about what was going on?

• 13:16Speaker 02

  Everything I just described to you, I never did tell them, I never did tell anybody. So I didn't tell them the impact that it was having on, you know, just playing. And I was going practice in, practice out, this thing was bothering me so bad. But I didn't want to tell anybody, that was the thing, I was just being selfish, pride, you know, prideful. And it ended up coming back to, you know, to haunt me for those two weeks. But what I did, man, I talked to the wooden belt buckle man, you know what I'm talking about?

• 13:38Channing Crowder?

  Mm-hmm, the credit, the Sykes.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Got me right. So, yeah, so Dr. Rosen, he's, you know, Saban's right-hand man. Him implementing the process with, man, that's been my guy since I got drafted here. So on draft day, you know, I'm one of three guys they may be taking. So basically I do like a psychological profile on the guys to say who's going to be able to make it or not. So I credit, you know, Dr. Rosen for getting me back in the league and getting my mind right. But for me, man, my anxiety has always come from, you know, like a perfectionism. I don't want to ever get beat in practice, you know, I don't take that shit very good. Let my team down, that's my worst fear is let my team down. And so for me, that was something that I had to learn to cope with and to really talk about throughout my career. Because I didn't want to do that when I was early on. There wasn't nobody to talk to about it really in depth.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  What he's allowed me to do is, you know, he realizes that people were able to be coached different. Some players respond to the classroom, some people do better walk through. So he's just been a huge tool just for, not only me, but for a lot of guys in the O-line room. Just getting better as a football player and as a person.

• 14:39Channing Crowder?

  The wooden belt man, I talked to him a lot, but it was because I was getting locked up.

• 14:46Channing Crowder?

  Say for say, you gotta talk to somebody. But with that thought, like the realization that you need help. What was the straw that broke the camel's back? Because it didn't pop up with your ankle. It probably was there the whole time.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Now, I realized that other players, really big time players, are going through similar stuff. And so I thought, you know, some of these guys were untouchable. Didn't feel any of these emotions. But what I realized, man, is I had a lot more in common with my fellow teammate and brothers there. But it's something that a lot of guys kind of internalize and don't talk about. So, and now the NFL, I feel like is in a lot better place than what it was five, 10 years ago. They have these outlets. You know, and it's a big thing for making guys perform. You get them in the right headspace, man, they can, they can do a lot better. So, he's, he helped me.

• 15:27Fred Taylor?

  Lane, we got something in common. I actually had the tight rope done too after severe ankle. I got all type of shit going on in there too.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Cracking, yeah.

• 15:36Fred Taylor?

  A little cracking, a little this and that. I can't sneak out the room. Like my feet, it's always something. But you, you talk about going through that, dealing with the ankle. What about the, was it Patella during, during the Super Bowl run? A couple of years ago, not being able to play in that game?

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I tore my groin against the Cowboys, December 24th. So, I was taking a pass, defensive end made a, made an inside move and I went to plant off my right leg. And I felt, I felt it pop, but it felt like kind of a charlie horse. I went to the sideline, I was like, man, this thing's knotted up. So, game's over, we lose. And then next day, I was like, man, something, you know, something ain't right. So, end up going, this side's tore, this side was tore too. I just didn't know, but I didn't feel it. So, yeah, three weeks before the playoffs and I was like, we got a good, we got a good team. We got a good chance. And after the Giants game, like I took a couple of bull rushes, I was like, hurt. Then after that, it kind of, it wasn't too much of an issue. It's like whatever, whatever these cut off, you know, compensation happened. But I was like, I wasn't, I wasn't as much pain as I thought I'd be.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  But, you know, it's one of those chances, one of those things, I'm in my 11th year, you know, if I'm in a, at the certain time in my career where you gotta take those chances. So, something I never thought I'd be going through, but I wasn't feeling as much pain, you know, as, as what it seemed.

• 16:50Ryan Clark?

  I was there in New Orleans for, for the Super Bowl, right? And I am, first off, when we have Super Bowl conversations, you could just talk to me.

• 16:59Fred Taylor?

  I knew it was coming.

• 17:00Ryan Clark?

  They don't really know about what that feels like to play in one, win one. That's not really something that they've experienced.

• 17:06Fred Taylor?

  Eighth grade, Gatorade.

• 17:11Ryan Clark?

  And so when you were playing Kansas City, that's not a revenge game. You don't get the loss back. That's not the way it works. When you guys got rolling though, and you see the huge lead, what was that feeling like to be in the biggest game in the world, on the biggest stage against today's dynasty, and have that feeling of domination in that way?

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Well, it wasn't like that the first time. It was a very tight game. I told a lot of guys how they lost and lose by three. How we lost the first time. You know, the emotion of that was stronger than the winning. So during that moment, you know, once the Devontae Smith touchdown happened, I was like, it's a lock. But I still had that reminder from last time that I wanted to keep pressing. But you know, I think from our standpoint, you know, they were trying to double team Jalen Carter a lot. So a lot of, you know, Milton Williams, all these guys got a lot of one on ones, Josh Sweat, and so they just took turns, man, creating pressure on the quarterback. And it really, you know, you go into the game, you think it's gonna be a lot more competitive than that. But yeah, man, it came out in our favor. I was super happy. But you know, the reminder of losing that one by three a few years prior,

• 18:17Speaker 02

  and having the chance to play these guys again was obviously very fortunate. It don't happen like that all the time. But it was a lesson learned from the first time to, man, keep attacking even when we were up, until the game's over, man.

• 18:29Ryan Clark?

  You talked about the fact that for skilled players, like we do 7 on 7, you guys aren't even involved, right? You're kind of doing your own thing. There's that, the video, I think it's Saquon snow game. I don't know, I think it was the Rams, maybe, the long run. And all of the linemen have like their own mini celebrations in back of the run, right? It's like dudes holding their hands up like this, you know? It's like another guy, it's like this. For y'all, when the run game is going the way you got it going last year, for you, what is better? To have, to be pounding somebody like that in the run? So no more questions?

• 19:06Speaker 02

  No more questions.

• 19:07Ryan Clark?

  What's that feeling, man? When you're running the ball, they know you're gonna run it and they can't stop you?

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Well, it makes the pass rush so much easier. These guys are thinking, they're not teeing off. You know, if they know that you're gonna throw the ball, they don't have to hesitate one bit at the line of scrimmage. So for us, it just allowed the play-action, everything that came off of it, to be so much more effective. Instead of being so one-dimensional. I've been on teams where we couldn't run it effectively and we had to throw it every time. You get a guy like Myles Garrett, TJ Watt out there, it's gonna be a long-ass day for you, no matter who it is. So for me, it just allowed us to have a lot more presence in the play-action game, being more aggressive at the line of scrimmage rather than sitting back doing pure drop-backs. So for me, it just made it a whole lot easier. I saw guys on the edge thinking a little bit, you know, not just having the ability to tee off. So for me, it made it a lot more balanced game, a lot more fun to be a part of.

• 19:55Ryan Clark?

  You mentioned pass rush, though. You want Jerry to just keep playing around in Dallas?

• 20:01Speaker 02

  I ain't worried about Jerry, I'm worried about Mike. I ain't blocking Jerry. They probably gonna pay him. Hey, they ain't got no choice, man. He's the best. Him and Myles Garrett are the best two in the league, one of them. So it is what it is, but I ain't worried about Jerry. I'm worried about Mike on the edge.

• 20:14Fred Taylor?

  What if they do one of those giant moves and he lands up here somewhere?

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Sure, he might.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  Maybe when I'm gone, hey.

• 20:23Fred Taylor?

  They just give y'all another Super Bowl. But no, my question is, when you're no longer comparable to your contemporaries, like it's been said, you're in a class of your own, man. Like, do you ever think you would get to that point? And how does it feel to hear, you know, people say stuff like that?

• 20:42Speaker 02

  It's been a long time coming. You know, a lot of my years was I'm playing right tackle. And most of the accolades always went to left tackle because they were seen as a... Because usually they are, they're a superior athlete, blindside. So for me, it was like my whole career I've been chasing. I've had guys, you know, the Jason Peters, the Jason Kelseys of the world, the Brandon Brooks. I've had so much talent and stuff around me that guys are always like a step ahead. So for me, it was always in my mind, I'm always chasing. But for me, man, it's just, I think it's good to finally recognize the other side of the line. You know, Willie Anderson was the guy before me, a couple generations. But, you know, defense has evolved, man. They're starting to put guys all over the line of scrimmage. You know, TJ, JJ, all these guys are gonna find a weak link. But for me, man, it's just been, put my head down, work, and you're 13, man, it's coming.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  It's coming to light, but yeah, man, I still, I still feel good at 35. I don't feel 35.

• 21:31Fred Taylor?

  Don't look it either.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Until, until, uh, uh, you know, I'm out there with some of these young guys, but um, yeah, man, it's still fun. I still enjoy it. And uh, yeah, man, it's just, you know, when you're in it, you don't really have time to reflect.

• 21:41Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Cause you're so busy attacking, you know, what you're doing, but I'm very grateful, uh, thankful and a lot of guys that helped me get to where I'm at.

• 21:48Fred Taylor?

  You do like Bruce Matthews, give us what a 20 piece?

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Yep, uh, Slater.

• 21:52Channing Crowder?

  He looks like he still can.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, Slater.

• 21:54Fred Taylor?

  You look great.

• 21:55Channing Crowder?

  True, Whitworth.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Whitworth, Whitworth looks, looks good.

• 21:57Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  He ain't lost much weight. But yeah, I mean, I had guys, there's always guys that are pushing envelope, you know, Whitworth was another guy. You know, JP, you know, Tussles getting up there, Trent's getting up there. The world's turning one day at a time. So, uh, but yeah, man, I'm in a good spot.

• 22:11Channing Crowder?

  Skill positions got numbers to back up what they do. And like Freddie said, like everybody knows you one of the best, but I'm gonna go drop, I'm gonna go get a hundred on him.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:19Channing Crowder?

  I'm gonna go run for 150 on this defense. Y'all don't have numbers, but I want to ask, is there pre-games that you just know you about to dominate this dude?

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the thing for me is like, it's very easy to get up for like a really, you know, it's easy to get up for TJ, uh, Mike, any of those type of guys. When you have a guy that's unassuming, those guys will put you on your ass if you let them. So.

• 22:40Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  I've, you know, I've learned my lesson the hard way, but for me, man, it's like in our system, you can look, all the numbers that they put out are bad. So it's either pressures, hurries or sacks. And so like PFF puts all this stuff out and what they don't realize that every system demands something different. Like if you watch Jordan and I, the guard is never leaving the center to come help us. So if we get beat on the inside move, it's a sack.

• 22:59Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  There's other systems where they get beat, they got help. And so all these pressures, all these hurries, you know, it's not all the same. But for me, man, it's like, if I don't get my ass off the ball, I don't, I don't care about the tweets, me jumping off sides. If I don't get off the rock. You're done.

• 23:14Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  You're done.

• 23:15Fred Taylor?

  That's true, right.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  You know, you run a hundred meter dash, the first 10, first 20 yards.

• 23:19Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  Aren't efficient, you're dust. That's the way it is for me in the past. So for me, like I go into a game, I try not to think too much. You know, it's mainly listen to the center. You know, for me, I'm trying not to give away my stances. The run pass, that's a big telltale. So for me, it's just a lot of those little things, like a game within the game.

• 23:36Fred Taylor?

  Why Chan always hating, talking about they ain't got numbers? What was it, 26 games, no sacks?

• 23:41Speaker 02

  It was more than that. The record was 26.

• 23:43Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he broke it.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  But...

• 23:45Fred Taylor?

  Numbers.

• 23:46Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  But it's different, like, different guys rush a mobile quarterback differently than what, you know, they attack Baker.

• 23:54Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  I mean, hey, it's, the only numbers for us is bad, so it's, you know.

• 23:58Ryan Clark?

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• 24:21Channing Crowder?

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• 24:34Fred Taylor?

  We're always on the road, so it allows us to go out during this training camp tour and just do our thing, man, so we can just create great content for you guys. ShipStation does the rest for us.

• 24:43Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man, you know how it is with the pivot. We always have to ship something, and we're lucky to have ShipStation to simplify everything and help us with all of our shipping needs.

• 24:53Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, you talking about simplifying it, man. I've watched our team with the click of a button, create labels, and that was done.

• 24:59Channing Crowder?

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• 25:11Ryan Clark?

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• 25:13Channing Crowder?

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• 25:22Ryan Clark?

  You had an opportunity to play with, in my opinion, like, the most famous center in the history of football. Like, you can argue where Jason stacks up, but everybody knows he's a Hall of Famer.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:35Ryan Clark?

  But he also became a star here. You mentioned Jason Peters. When you're playing on an offensive line with a guy like Jason Kelsey, it does bring attention to the entire unit. What was it like to play with him for that extended period of time and be so dominant up front?

• 25:53Speaker 02

  It was, it was fun being around somebody that was so intense and just put so much into the game because there's not, you know, there's the guys that lay on line and there's some guys that are ultra serious about it. That's how he was. But then, man, I mean, a lot of our times in the meeting room, man, we were sitting there bullshitting, laughing. So, man, when it was time to take it very serious, we did. We took it to the utmost seriousness. And then when it's time to relax and have a good time and joke around, we did. So, you know, I never had a brother growing up. So he, you know, he was a, a long lost brother of mine and I got to see the evolution of him, you know, as a young guy in the league and I just saw him consistently get better and better. You know, and you look at some of the stuff he does on the second level, screen game. Man, I don't think, I don't know there'll ever be another guy like that. You know, he ran a 4-1 short shuttle. What are we talking about? The guy, the guy's an animal. So, but having that guy, you know,

• 26:37Speaker 02

  every day at practice, you know, sometimes he had a short fuse, he'd get angry. So, he always kept me on my toes. And so I always looked, you know, every day I came in here, it was, it was always something interesting and fun. And then now, you had the podcast start up. I was in the room when it started up. I was, you know, I was watching it and then, boom, I blew up. And I said, hey, go on with your bad self. I'm gonna sit here and enjoy it. But, you know, I, I don't mind being the Robin to the Batman. The, you know, that's, that's how I like to roll.

• 27:04Ryan Clark?

  This, obviously, when we listen to you talk, this is not a Philadelphia accent. You know, and you know, when you were, when you were drafted, you know, people don't understand that you have to acclimate to not only the team you're going to, but to the culture and to the city. In the story I read, you talked about, you know, having a cheese steak. And you actually said, one of your quotes was, "I know I'll be here for the next four years." It's turned into 13 and counting. What does Philadelphia mean to you in playing for some of the most rabid fans in all the sports?

• 27:41Speaker 02

  It's like a bunch of imperfect people that make a perfect football city. You know, that's the way I see kind of all of us. I came in here, man, obviously a guy from Texas, don't have a Philly accent. So, a lot to learn, a big city. A father my rookie year, so I had my first son my rookie year. So, a lot going on. But, like I said, man, I had, I had always had guys to turn to. I had such a great locker room. I had outlets. And it's not like that everywhere. So, you know, if I went to Jacksonville, if I went to Miami, you know, may, it may have been a different story for me. But I was, I came to a city that was, you know, obviously needed a tackle at the time. And you know, I think what the pressure of this city does allows me to be my best. So the anxiety that I feel sometimes for games, all that just allows me to enhance my focus.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  I feel like, so it may be a burden sometimes, but I feel like, you know, and Jason Peters told me this, man, these guys are gonna get the best out of you around here. Mm-hmm. You know, if you ain't playing good, they gonna let you know. Yeah. They'll let you know real quick. So that's always been a big motivator. Uh, is the, is the, you know, I want to fulfill these guys' passion in the stands, man. I know why they here, so let's make them appreciate it.

• 28:43Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, well, you'd have had Chan in Miami though. Chan, you could have showed them.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, him and Jake, yeah, Jake Long was down there.

• 28:47Ryan Clark?

  You could have showed them a good time if you'd have went to Miami.

• 28:48Channing Crowder?

  Me and Big Jake had some nice out.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Jake Long?

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Richie was down there? Who was at right tackle?

• 28:54Channing Crowder?

  Richie, it was Jake Long, Justin Smiley, Jake Groh. We had, we had some wild boys on that line.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was a big Jake Long fan, man. I think he'd be, you know, he'd be where Joe Thomas is. He never got hurt. He's one of those guys.

• 29:06Fred Taylor?

  We missed a few years down in Jacksonville, Luke Jokel.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, but I mean, when you go back and look at that pick, if you go back and look at his college, man, he was.

• 29:15Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah, he was the guy. He was the pick, right?

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just think like, once he had his ankle injury, his rookie year, he was never the same.

• 29:20Fred Taylor?

  It just didn't pan out, but shit, I'm, I'm, I'm a Jaguar lifer and hindsight, I'm taking you a thousand times. But talking about your fan base up here, man, you're, someone was just called the biggest mascot, the biggest Philly mascot, Gilly the Kid. What was your first encounter when you first met Gilly?

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Where does Son Bitch get all this energy from? He got more, hey, I need a ball or something. But he just embodies, he embodies all these thousands of people's energy, you know? Just took it on a chin for all these decades, never winning nothing, and then finally getting a chance to win something. These, you know, he's the outlet for, for all of us, so. But see, you, you don't realize how much joy you bring people with football. And so you meet people like Gilly, you meet guys, you know, fans of Philly. You know, the pouring ashes out at the, at the parade, so you don't realize what it means to people until, you know, something's achieved like that. But man, it goes, it goes for generations, so. Uh, but yeah, to your point, man, he got that energy.

• 30:19Ryan Clark?

  What now then, Lane? Because? You know, everyone has a why and they play for a reason and there's a passion that goes behind it. And you talked about those injuries. You can't play this game halfway. Fred mentioned some of the things that you've accomplished, or even the way now you're brought up. Even when I'm on TV with Dan Olafsky and all, you know, when we speak about Lane Johnson, this future Hall of Famer, Lane Johnson. What gets you out of bed every morning now to continue to do this with all you've accomplished?

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Man, I think about a lot of the talent that was around me when I was young and how a lot of these guys never went nowhere in their life. And so, if you could be a vessel, not a vessel for them, but just, you know, know that it's possible, just for the people back home. So that was one. For me, like, my dad was a really good athlete, but he didn't have the chance to really play in high school from working. So I felt like some of those opportunities he may have not have gotten. I'm trying to take the chance now. And I think what elevates me now, or gets me going, is that guys in their 30s, you know, mid 30s, aren't doing well. Football usually retires. So I'm trying to press the envelope. You know, you got Trent. Trent's one of my mentors. He was there at Oklahoma a couple of years before me. So when you see guys like that, and know that it's possible, the Slaters. But for me, man, it's really, I'm still having fun with my guys. Other

• 31:37Speaker 02

  than getting cussed out by stout sometimes, it is, it's a good time in there. But like you said, man, it's hard to replicate just what you feel in the building. It's not even out there on the football field, but just having all, so many guys investing so much time and effort and for one common goal. It's hard to feel that brotherhood when you're away from the game. So, you know, I constantly, you know, I was the only child, so I was constantly, you know, I felt complete when I was around the team. And so I've been a part of a team since I've been really little, mostly basketball. And I got serious about football in high school.

• 32:05Ryan Clark?

  And, and Coach, I was surprised, there was no cussing on the field. We've been, we've done this for years. And coaches are screaming, cussing, yelling, slapping dudes in the helmet. Like, the whole practice just ran smooth. Nobody yelled, nobody screamed. I thought, I assumed Sirianni would be a go crazy coach.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  He does sometimes.

• 32:23Ryan Clark?

  Because he's snapping on fans and all that stuff. Like, you've had different head coaches. Why is, why is he so good at what he does?

• 32:31Speaker 02

  I've told guys before, man, he's a great communicator. So like even like the stuff you see, like interaction with fans, uh, stuff that's discussed on TV, we'll go discuss in that auditorium in there. So stuff, you know, where he may have overreached on some stuff, man, he'll apologize for, hey, man, I'm out, I was out of line there as, as the head coach. And so I think when he's vulnerable like that and he's personable, one, uh, we, the buy-in is there. And then I just think he's really good, you know, with all the guys that we got in, he does a good job. I think the process, our meetings are usually very high detail, man. It's, it's very boring and monotonous, but man, we concentrated on a few things. A lot of it is taking the ball away. Um, you know, and not, and not giving the ball away. So that's really what we discussed during the season. But, uh, I feel like a lot of our coaching staff is just very approachable. You know, a lot of the

• 33:15Speaker 02

  guys aren't much older than me, so I can, it's like I, I can go right there and go have a conversation with them where, you know, when I was a younger guy in the league, it may not be like that. Uh, great communicator. Then yeah, I just feel like he's, he's always had good, good guys around him. He came from a division three school.

• 33:28Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  But his coach was one of the all-time winningest coaches in, you know, college football history. So he surrounds himself with a lot of good, a lot of good guys too.

• 33:35Ryan Clark?

  Lane, you don't have a tush push body.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 33:38Ryan Clark?

  You, you don't seem like, you know, if I was, if I was drawing up the tush push, if I was, uh, Drewski and Shane Gillis.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  I'd put them in there.

• 33:46Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, we wouldn't use you.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:49Ryan Clark?

  This, this offseason, it actually went to a vote where they were going to outlaw that play. Why do you think there are so many people who are against a play that's become highly successful for you and this team? But we've watched tons of other teams fail at doing it.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, you watched New England back in the day when Tom was really good at it. They had their niche, or niche, but you know, I think what makes us so good is, man, we got some, we got some tush push bodies inside. You know, Landon is one of them.

• 34:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  You know, Kels, little smaller guy, but he was good at rooting. You know, Brandon Brooks was there once upon a time. We always had some really big guards that, that did most of the job. You know, Jordan Nye was mostly Tom was making sure Demas V. didn't, didn't, uh, penetrate into that backside. So yeah, man, it was something that, it was such a small part of the game. I didn't think it was going to grow to what it has become. The vast damn quarterback sneak, man. What the hell we talking about? I didn't, you know, we two plays, if it was, if it was voted out, it is what it is. We ain't gotta run that no more. But it lives on and, uh, you know, it's not really a problem until you have to play Washington and do it four or five times in a row. That's when you start thinking, hey, maybe they should cancel this shit, you know? But you run it once or twice, you're like, I'm good with it.

• 35:02Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Uh, I think the main thing is player safety and it does, I mean, it does it like a rugby type play. Especially what we did against Washington. So it's not pretty. It's not a sexy play by, by any means.

• 35:12Ryan Clark?

  Hey, I was definitely on Franky Louvoo's side too. I was like, they gonna score anyway. I'm just gonna keep jumping off.

• 35:18Channing Crowder?

  Dive over top.

• 35:19Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, no question.

• 35:20Channing Crowder?

  I, I have to know this. Do y'all do one of them long ass play calls for the tush push? Or is it just a nod in the huddle?

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Nod.

• 35:27Channing Crowder?

  Four, five, six, seven more, left, right, sixty?

• 35:30Speaker 02

  We may change the formations up a little bit, but yeah, tush push, yeah. We don't have a two mile play call like, like a Sean Payton. It's pretty simple. So at least for that play anyway.

• 35:40Ryan Clark?

  It would be cool though, if it was a lot that went into it.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:43Channing Crowder?

  Based on the role of double seven adjustments.

• 35:47Ryan Clark?

  They start naming it after people, you know, you know what I'm saying? Coming from a small town like you came from, I think it was like less than thirty-five people or something.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, my graduating class, yeah, in high school.

• 35:57Ryan Clark?

  Do you now feel like a big fish, right? Because you had to at some point get to Oklahoma and say, okay, like this is way bigger than what I come from. And then you get to Philadelphia and it's the, it's the same thing, right? It is, man, there's not only all these players, but there's all these entertainers and there's all these other things that they could be doing. I'm just Lane Johnson that plays right tackle. Has it hit you now that you are famous, that you are someone that people celebrate? That there are fans of just you?

• 36:32Speaker 02

  At a small scale, like I'm famous in Philly. Um, you know, when I put my hat on back home, nobody really recognized me. I trimmed this beard up a little bit. It's harder to recognize me, but you know, for me. You know, I'm fine with being famous here in Philly for playing, you know, a position I never thought I'd be playing. So it's turned out in a great way. I really, you know, don't get bothered much out here. Fans kind of let me chill. I couldn't really imagine being a quarterback or running back, somebody that, you know, recognized really worldwide whenever they travel. But for me, you know, hey, man, take it as it comes. So it's all been an adjustment period. But for me, really, a lot of the growing pains was the early years here in Philly, going through Oklahoma. So for me, the toughest transition was in Oklahoma.

• 37:16Fred Taylor?

  What was that? What was it like getting to Oklahoma coming from Killmore?

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Oh, man, I got my teeth kicked in. You know, I played a little bit of tight end at Killmore Junior College there in the spring, and then I got there, really got offered late before camp started. So, and I'm playing tight end, you know, at a team that just lost the national championship game. So we have Kevin Wilson, who's back there, was the OC there whenever I was there. So he was the tight ends coach and the office coordinator. So he was the toughest man I've ever, I've ever been around. As far as mentality, coaches, yeah, he ran me to the ground first two years. But I needed that, man. I really did. I had to learn. I had to, you know, I had to learn what the game was all about. And so I did. Actually, George Kittle's dad was my coach the last two years.

• 37:55Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  At Oklahoma. So Bruce played with Bob at Iowa. And so my last two years, Coach Wilson ended up going to Indiana before he went to Ohio State as OC. So, you know, I thank Bruce, Coach Kittle, for really, my last two years, developed me into what I am. So.

• 38:11Fred Taylor?

  Hey, Lane, this will probably, this will be my last one. And we don't usually ask it during training camp, but the biggest pivot, we ask all of our guests, what's their biggest pivot? That's that one moment you can go look back on and say, because this happened to me, for me, I am who I am today?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  The pivot for me happened when I got to OU. So like I said, I had that small town mentality. And it was like, okay, I'm here. But I didn't feel like I belonged until, like, the craziest story. So I never played tackle. I played there for like a week. Bob Stoops comes up to me, he's like, you're gonna be a first round draft pick. And so I was like, I'm a third, second team DN. He was like, you're gonna be a first round draft pick. Got there just a couple of practices. I was like, okay, that's all I need. That was, that was my turning point as a guy who didn't play much, was a backup. And that gave me the confidence to be like, hey, this man sees something in me that I don't see in myself at the time. And so, you know, whoever it was, I know Coach Stewes came to me and asked me to switch, but Mangino had his hand in it. Coach Hypal did, who's the Tennessee head coach now. So, all those guys, you know, gave me my confidence that I needed at that time, you know, which I didn't have at the time.

• 39:11Channing Crowder?

  You bring up Jason Peters. I played him when he was at Arkansas and they was, it was him, Sean Andrews.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  Sean Andrews.

• 39:16Channing Crowder?

  Goodness.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Sean Andrews was a beast.

• 39:18Channing Crowder?

  That style of football, because you're almost our age, which is crazy to say, because you still playing ball. I've been retired 12 years. Do you think it's an advantage that you got to see that old school football now that these young boys are coming in and you still got that shit in you?

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, those guys there were known as the heavy Chevys. Everybody, including the center, was above 350. So, man, funny story, I came in, my rookie, I'm like 305, I'm trying to get to 310. And JP, he ain't gonna like this story, but hey, it is what it is. He gets on a cold, or gets on a scale after practice, 358. And I said, hey, and I'm thinking a 360 pound guy, there ain't no way he can move like that. Oh, yeah. So, when I saw him, I was like, hey, there's different levels to this. And so, he took me to school right away. But yeah, man, he was my biggest mentor here. But yeah, it's a different breed. You go back and look at the Trey Thomases, when y'all, at the linemen, Ramon Foster, I was telling him, I never saw him getting a three point stance. Too big. 400 pounds, too big.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Hey, this is gonna stay right here. So, yeah, I mean, the game has evolved. You look at linebackers now, it's more of like a safety position, the size wise. You know, when I came in here, I remember having Brandon Spikes coming down there, meeting you in the gap. Lot different than what it is now. You gotta cover the Tyree Kill's of the world. So, the game's evolving. But I mean, I have much respect for the guys that came before me, the JP's, the Willie Andersons, because they did, man. They played that old school football back when they had two a days. And hey, you got to bow up.

• 40:42Channing Crowder?

  JP was a tight end. Yeah. Arkansas.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My question for the Arkansas coaching staff, he, I mean, when he was 320 pounds, you didn't think to maybe put him at tackle, maybe put him at guard, just keep him?

• 40:54Channing Crowder?

  Hey, they ran the power.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Big ass Algie Cruppler with 320. You know what I'm saying? Algie Cruppler was big, too, bro. Algie Cruppler was big.

• 41:00Channing Crowder?

  They ran that power lane. And I asked the coach, how many people were on me? They said, one.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, JP said Shawn Andrews was. He was a monster too, man. He was a monster, yeah.

• 41:10Ryan Clark?

  Lane, I was in, my first two years in the league, I was in New York. And I remember Michael Strahan hated John Runyon. Right, like that, that matchup, like you could, you could see how, and he's a nice, very pleasant man. Like, he was different that week. Are there any weeks for you, whether it's a player or a team, that you're like, okay, this week, I have to turn this thing up a notch because I know what this player is going to bring each and every snap?

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, for me, like, always, like, a good battle for a while was me when I was younger with Kerrigan, when he was in Washington.

• 41:43Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  DeMarcus Lawrence, you know, years there. I think he's probably one of the more underrated guys in the league.

• 41:48Ryan Clark?

  He is.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  And he just consistently got better, you know, even now. Many times, man, I played Micah, the Miles Garrett. What I know, man, any bad, any false step, any not getting out of the off-line of scrimmage, man, you cooked, so. You know what I'm talking about?

• 42:04Ryan Clark?

  He get off though.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  It don't, it don't take much, man. For me, like, I go to the, you know, I don't talk much trash. I will if they talk some trash to me, but any time I had those guys, especially in Dallas, they get off that, they get off the line real quick there, so, you know, it's always been a battle. So for me, it was Kerrigan. Kerrigan for the longest time, DeMarcus Lawrence.

• 42:21Ryan Clark?

  Kerrigan get that sack?

• 42:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, do that, yeah, shit. He'd run the field a couple steps and he'd do that and hook you inside shoulder and pry you open, so, yeah, he welcomed me to the NFL a few times.

• 42:31Ryan Clark?

  Is there pressure to repeat for, for you guys?

• 42:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, there's pressure to perform, most definitely. And I think for us, like, what we have to realize is, like, when you're successful, you got to realize, obviously, you have talent, but you had to have a work ethic, you had to have routines, because all that stuff's going to be revealed whenever the pressure mounts up. You can't just go out there and, you know, bullshit your way through it, so. Just realize that you're going to get everybody's best, week in, week out. And that's what I learned in 2018. We got hit, hit in the fucking mouth from week one on. We end up having to have a late surges to the playoffs. Yeah, for us, man, just be aware and make sure, man, you're not wasting time in here with your routines, making sure, you know, the pre-practice, all that stuff adds up. So for, so for us, don't let success get to your head. Don't let it change what you do day in, day out, and hopefully, we can replicate what we did.

• 43:14Ryan Clark?

  Chan, you had an offensive lineman for a father. Could you imagine if Lane was your dad and, like, I would, you wouldn't have to tell me much to get me to do the right thing. Do your kids look at you as like this big, imposing figure, or are you just pops?

• 43:28Speaker 02

  I come as like. I'll discipline my kids, I will, but for me, if it's a bad look or a grunt or something, hey man, do the right thing. What you doing, you know what I'm saying? It's more of like an educational, like, yes, you can go the hard way, we can do this the easy way, but it's more of, I'm trying to help you, I'm trying to get the most out of you, you know? But, the biggest thing for me is jujitsu. I don't have to do much. I send them out there on that mat. They get choked out, tapped out. It saved me a lot of, saved me a lot of ass whoopings, so. What I like about that, man, the outlet there is that they, you know, if they bullshitting in class, coach kicks them out. Um, so a lot of discipline we learn now, or in athletics, he learns then, but. Yeah, early on as a parent, especially with the first child, man, you learn, it's a big difference between the first one and second one, so.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Uh, for me, the first one, a lot of hands-on, second, uh, second child, laid back and try to be a more calculated approach, you know?

• 44:18Ryan Clark?

  What made you put them in jujitsu?

• 44:20Speaker 02

  They wanted to try it, and then my son wanted to quit after the first practice. I smiled at him, said, "You gonna be back." He did, hey, he came back and now he's in, he, he, he's in love with it, but. I just want it, like, what I want them to realize, hey, all, what you're seeing now, the presentation to me now, is not what it's always been. I've, I've, and I still feel like my mentality, I'm still always gonna be where I came from. I don't want to feel like I'm superior or better than, than, uh, than I'm supposed to be. And once this is over, I'm gonna go back to, you know, where I was, so. Uh, it all comes full circle, and, and for me, uh, I'm in a good spot, man, so.

• 44:52Ryan Clark?

  Man, I love that.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Thirties are a lot better than the twenties, at least for me, anyway, so.

• 44:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, man, I love that, man. Listen, I appreciate you, bro, I know you gotta go, but for me, man, for you to give us this much time on a camp day, I understand what it is, man, thank you so much.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  No, thank y'all, I've been watching y'all, all y'all's, uh, podcasts and stuff, uh, year in, year out, so definitely, big entertainment, but, you know, a lot of stuff y'all talking about, you know, you don't get to hear from guys, so, huge shout out to y'all, man, y'all got a good thing going, and I will keep watching, so.

• 45:20Ryan Clark?

  Man, appreciate it. We saw you on the field, I was like, they ain't look like that back in the day.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:24Ryan Clark?

  That's the first thing I said. That horse was down here.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:27Ryan Clark?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Good to see you.

• 45:29Ryan Clark?

  Hey, what was your, what was your hoop game like, though? Like, what was?

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Well, I played out for three, I used to pop.

• 45:33Ryan Clark?

  No, you did not.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  I played some defense, you know?

• 45:35Ryan Clark?

  I didn't play that low. Now he playing the three. Yeah, now, now he, now, now.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  We gotta go back to the site.

• 45:41Ryan Clark?

  Hey, now he'll stretch three, you know what I'm saying? He like, he like, really, I started it off? I was more Yokes than Yokes.

• 45:48Fred Taylor?

  Chan, you gotta get out the pick. You ain't get 13 in.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 46:29Speaker 05

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