Japan’s Demographic Crisis, Navigating Hopelessness, and Amazon's Cutthroat AI Plan | Tom Bilyeu Show Live

Welcome back to The Tom Bilyeu Show! I’m Tom Bilyeu, and on today’s episode, Drew and I go deep on some of the biggest global and technological changes shaping our future. We start by diving into Japanese history, dropping into a high-speed "speedrun" of how this incredible culture evolved from its samurai roots, through hardship, into a futuristic powerhouse—and what their current struggles with demographics and immigration might mean for us all. As a self-professed Japanophile, I reflect on what makes Japan unique, the explosive power of its storytelling, and why preserving cultural differences is absolutely essential in a world that’s trending toward sameness. From there, we pivot to the wild side of world events: ongoing tragedies in Ukraine, the politics underlying tense global negotiations, and what happens when powerful nations push the limits. We also crack open the future of work, discussing those leaked Amazon documents about potentially replacing 600,000 American workers with robots. I share my unfiltered perspective on why automation is inevitable—not because of some villainous billionaire, but because all of us keep demanding cheaper, faster, and better. Throughout the episode, we tackle practical ways to overcome hopelessness and negativity, the importance of self-talk, and the need to constantly adapt as automation and AI rewrite what’s possible. Get ready for hard truths about universal basic income, worker dignity, and why focusing on a smooth transition is the most critical task we have in front of us. If you want to challenge your assumptions, laugh, and get ready for the realities of tomorrow, you’re in the right place. Let’s do this! Linkedin: Post your job free at https://linkedin.com/impacttheory Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact True Classic: Upgrade your wardrobe at https://trueclassic.com/impact Cape: 33% off with code IMPACT33 at https://cape.co/impact Incogni: Free 30 day trial and 60% off annual plan at https://incogni.com/IMPACT AirDoctor: Up to $300 off with code IMPACT at https://airdoctorpro.com What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Tom Bilyeu Show Live. I am here with Drew. We've got Mason in community, and we've got G and Eric rocking everything behind the scenes. We are your normal daily crew, and we are very grateful that you guys are joining us. We've got some... Wild stuff to get to today. There's never a dull day.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Let's jump over to Japan now. But there is a new policy. The new prime minister immediately created a mass deportation, a ministry of mass deportations.

• 2:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Mass deportation?

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Mass deportations, excuse me. I said mass deportation. And then this is a speech that she-

• 2:11Tom Bilyeu?

  This is the prime minister?

• 2:12Speaker 02

  This is the prime minister, and this is a speech that she said. "As for me, I want to have a calm, mutually considerate relationship with foreigners." "How can we live together in such a way? "I intend to reconsider it completely. "I plan to think about it from zero again, because year after year, the culture between us- "and everything else is so very different if people are being brought in altogether."

• 2:38Speaker 02

  "To keep bringing them in, this policy, we must pause and reconsider. "Those who come with economic motives or claim to be refugees-

• 2:48Speaker 02

  "such people will be properly sent home. "Also regarding those who overstay illegally- "they too will be strictly required to obey the law."

• 2:58Speaker 02

  It seems pretty straightforward. I don't see malicious intent. She's not saying, you know, "get the Muslims out here" or anything like that. However, because of the demographics of Japan, is this a surprising turn?

• 3:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Absolute tragedy that the birth rates are so low in so many cultures. As somebody who has chosen not to have children, admittedly, I always feel bad about pointing out how important it is for people to have kids. But on balance, if the majority of people aren't having children, you've got a problem. And obviously because it takes two people to make a kid, you need them having more than two kids. So Japan is really in bad shape from a demographic standpoint. But the reason that I'm a Japanophile is because Japan is different. If Japan were the same, then there would be no draw. And the funny thing is, I really discovered Japan as like an area of super interest very late in my life.

• 3:53Tom Bilyeu?

  I was always intrigued. I admit, the cyberpunk aesthetic has always spoken to me since the 80s.

• 4:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Really learning about Japanese storytelling and how potent of a style of storytelling it is. And because they had the nuclear bombs dropped on them twice, they just became such a fascinating culture. Watching them shift from like the ultra hardcore samurai culture to watching that become the salaryman culture to seeing like how they respond to repression. Dude, it's, I'll try to do a speedrun on Japanese culture.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, my bad. I did practically you right there.

• 4:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So, okay, speedrun on Japanese culture goes something like this. Uh, we are a small island nation. We have to get very hardcore. We have a very collectivist mentality, uh, very disciplined, very much like, uh, samurai culture for sure was you were willing to give your life for the person that you worked for. And if you ended up, um, they died or whatever, you became a run and you had to just like wander around. There's so much honor culture, all of that, like honor means everything. And, um, they then, so they build all that up. The Mongols try to conquer Japan and, and get pushed back twice. They're like the only culture that was like, get the fuck out of here. Mongols rolled over everybody, but not the Japanese. Okay. That's who you're up against. Japan fucked up China.

• 5:12Tom Bilyeu?

  In fact, China now is like, oh bitch, wait till we get big. We are going to mow over you. Rumor, rumor, allegedly, allegedly, but like that one is, uh, there's a lot of bad blood there. So Japan were like sort of tyrannical and very good because they were so disciplined, militaristic, like really, really hardcore. And then we dropped some bombs on them. And now it's Hello Kitty. So it's like, what happened?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  I love these speedruns. This is the only way I want history now.

• 5:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So it is this incredible transformation where you can still feel that really brilliant engineering culture, the collectivist mentality, which I've spoken many times about how much I absolutely despise it. But they also have, like, you can feel the repression like bubbling up and coming out in these really interesting ways. And they're like this fascinating blend of Buddhism and Christianity now. And so they've just created this really, really fascinating like tech forward, very futuristic, but the blend of the past and the future and this sense of like, um, post-apocalyptic because they've really lived through a post-apocalypse like,

• 6:29Tom Bilyeu?

  and the sense that, oh, my God, we were the villains in World War II, but America helped us rebuild. So they're like, there's this really interesting relationship that they have with their own past. And but that hardcore culture doesn't just go away. So they created this generation of salary men who basically worked themselves to death, literally to death. And, uh, the hard work culture there went from like these, um, very rigid caste structures into a modern style economy. But because they were so disciplined, so hardworking, literally willing to work themselves to death, they just, through the eighties, it looked like they were going to take over the whole world. And that's why if you look at like, um, even movies like Back to the Future 2, all the anxiety is around, we all work for

• 7:13Tom Bilyeu?

  the Japanese. This is why in Die Hard, his wife works for a Japanese company. Like, it just looked like the Japanese were going to take over everything. Then through some economic jujitsu, we were like, all right, you guys need to chill. And we sort of have put them in timeout for 40 years. Whole nother long story there. But like, that is, that has given birth to a style of storytelling that literally dwarfs the rest of the world. Uh, I, I cannot tell you enough how in America, we think, oh, Marvel, Marvel's the, the comic book that rules the world, right? And then you realize Demon Slayer, which is a single

• 7:52Tom Bilyeu?

  manga title, outsells every single Western comic title combined, combined, Drew. In Japan, a single was known as a tankabon, which is like a collection of, I forget, it's like six standalone episodes of manga of a series called Bleach, The Thousand Year War. Um, no, sorry, lie, lie, lie. It was, um,

• 8:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Boruto. Boruto, which is like the successor to Naruto, if people know that one, uh, sold 10 million units. That's insane in, in physical print, dude, that's insane. So, and that's in Japan alone. If you go into any airport, you're going to be able to find manga. It's wild. So the Japanese have found what all, I did not make up this title, but I think this is really bang on. What's known as illicit storytelling. So something a kid wants to read, but they don't want their parents to see that they're reading it. And when you like, look at children's entertainment in Japan, it's dope. Like people getting shot, they're bleeding. It's like even in One Piece, in One Piece, Luffy D Monkey. This is for kids, okay?

• 9:07Tom Bilyeu?

  In the opening, like chapter of One Piece, the kid's like nine or 10 years old. To prove that he can be a dope pirate and that he's not afraid. This kid in a book for kids, a graphical book, stabs himself in the face with a knife. And through the rest of the series has a big scar on his face. Okay, he, they show it, he takes a knife and just stabs himself in the face. Okay, so the Japanese don't play. There, there's this like fascinating thing, you can feel the repression below the surface and it bubbles up in a way that other people around the world are like, oh my God, there's some truth in this. That even though it's bombastic and over the top and completely outlandish. It speaks to something in people. So anyway, uh, that difference.

• 9:53Tom Bilyeu?

  We all benefit as a society if that difference is preserved. And if that difference, whether it be Italy, China, Japan, Korea, America, England, Saudi Arabia, if those differences aren't preserved, the world becomes way less interesting. And what we're seeing now is people realizing, oh, those differences are born of values. And oftentimes those values are spread through religion, but some of it's just continuity of what were your parents like? What were their parents like? And so what we're seeing through mass immigration is the beige-ification of the world. And it sounds good because it sounds tolerant and it sounds welcoming.

• 10:37Tom Bilyeu?

  But in the end, it sucks. And it sucks because you don't get different flavors. Everything becomes one flavor. And then, and here's the big thing people don't want to confront. Whoever becomes the most aggressive culture, the most cohesive culture is gonna win. If they have high birth rates, uh, agenda, they know what they're trying to do, then they're just gonna run through everybody. A hundred percent. And the, right now, the culture that seems to be doing the best at that is Muslim culture. And so it's like, that's why so much of this centers around, okay, wait, are we mad at Muslims? I would say, no, you're not mad at Muslims.

• 11:19Tom Bilyeu?

  What you're mad at is anybody that has a different value system than you, coming in is gonna be a problem. It's just that they actually have a clear agenda and they're not bashful about their faith. They believe in it. This, this is what we believe, and so wherever we go, we are going to proselytize. You will notice there are a lot of Christian countries. Why? Because this is what Christians did back in the day. So it's like, hey, this is a tale as old as time. This is not about being Muslim. This is about doing a thing that works. So now we just, we're seeing people go, yeah, I'm not for this. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

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• 14:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now let's get back to it. Really what people need to do, so one thing that I think people will find very helpful is instead of just spending your time debating my points, you want to think about, okay, what are your points? What's your sense of cause and effect? Because if you're building up from cause and effect, then it's like, if we can all agree on where we're trying to get and you've got a series of cause and effect that leads me there, I will update immediately. All I care about is actually achieving the honorable goal that I'm trying to get to. So I'm never attached to my own things. No matter, I could literally be screaming about something and then 30 seconds later realize, oh yeah, that doesn't work as well as this new idea. I'm going to go with the new idea. And the only thing, regardless of what other people judge me for, the only thing I judge myself for

• 15:12Tom Bilyeu?

  is my willingness to stare nakedly at my inadequacies, to acquire the skills that I need to acquire in order to make progress towards honorable goals. That's it. Not even whether I achieve the honorable goals, whether I'm sincerely pursuing them or not. And then whether I can actually make progress or not.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  Interesting. All right, we'll move on. I think we got that one.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  To Dark, what are some ways to bounce back from periods when I can't even bring myself to believe the only belief that matters? How to reframe feelings of hopelessness when all evidence seems to be pointing in that direction?

• 15:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, this is a phenomenal question. So the key thing there is you want to remember where are you trying to get to? So what I hear in your question is I want to get on the other side of the depression or the feeling of hopelessness. And so now we're just going to do things because they work. This is why I'm always trying to get people to understand you're having a biological experience. So to trail on the tale of Drew's comment about, oh, I can't always trust the things that my mind is showing me, that works both ways. So you can tell your mind what to see. You can say, oh, no, no, no, life can always get better. And just by saying it, you're starting to hardwire things in your brain. So you become what you repeat. If you repeat all the negativity,

• 16:23Tom Bilyeu?

  then you're going to believe it. If you repeat the positive things, then that's going to become real too, especially, and again, remember, I'm talking mechanistically. Your brain will hardwire whatever you repeat. It does not matter if you believe it. If you keep saying it over and over and over and over and over, your brain really will get confused at some point because you've just said it so many times. Same is true for negative things as positive things. So you're going to do it, not because you believe that it's real, you're going to do it just because mechanistically, that's how it works. So repeat the positive thing, repeat the positive thing over and over and over and over and over. And then if you can embody the way that you want to feel, like actually put your shoulders back, stand up straight. Oh, my God, life is amazing. And in the beginning, you're going to feel like an actor. Doesn't matter. If you keep acting and

• 17:06Tom Bilyeu?

  you keep repeating it over and over and over, then the way that you feel when you say it, even though it starts fake, it becomes real because your brain is trying to conserve calories, and it's going to hardwire that through a process called myelination. And it just makes it easier. The easiest thing for you to do is wake up and be like, oh, my God, life is awesome. Because you've repeated it so many times. So the great irony is nothing needs to change in your life, other than what you repeat. And so just put that on on loop. So what I always tell myself is I can't stop myself from having the first negative thought, but I can stop myself from from repeating it. So don't allow yourself via a rule, do not allow yourself to repeat negative things.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  It's interesting seeing like the whole biological experience thing because I was having like a tough couple of days. And then I went to like boxing class and I punched something really hard.

• 17:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  It felt awesome.

• 17:56Tom Bilyeu?

  A hundred percent.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  It's like sometimes you just gotta like literally just shake yourself up and then like.

• 18:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Not sometimes, a hundred percent of the time.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, neurons start reconnecting. I don't know, like it's, it definitely helps to kind of change your physiology to change your psychology.

• 18:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, when Huberman came on the scene and said, if you want to reprogram your brain, all you have to do is move your eyes side to side. I was like, this is exactly what I've been trying to tell people. You're trapped in your body. Everything comes down to your biology. There are very simple things you can do from how you move to what you eat, to apparently how you move your eyes that are going to change your neurochemistry. That's why if somebody came to me, dude, and they were like really stuck in depression and I could kidnap them and get them to do whatever the hell I wanted. I'd get them working out and I would get them eating like clean. Dude, in 90 days, that person is gonna be a different human being. When you, especially if it's a, no, a guy or a girl, doesn't matter.

• 18:53Tom Bilyeu?

  A guy, I'm gonna make him strong. A woman, I'm gonna make her hot. And then it's just like, it's game over. Like, they will feel so different. People can have as much trouble with that as they want, but this, this is

• 19:05Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 19:05Tom Bilyeu?

  the algorithms running in our brains, so.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  Shout out to the Super Blue in the chat. Also, shout out to the Discord community. I be in there arguing with y'all. I love y'all over there. Joining the Discord. He just kind of dropped this on our radar. Children among victims in Russian strikes hours after Trump Putin talks stalled.

• 19:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  So there was supposed to be a Trump Putin summit. We were gonna cover it.

• 19:26Tom Bilyeu?

  So wait.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  It disappeared.

• 19:28Tom Bilyeu?

  They gave Ukraine like some long distance weapons and they're striking into Russia? Or is this like border towns or is this?

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Russia strikes Ukraine.

• 19:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Children among victims in Russian strikes.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That's interesting. I just realized that I wanted Ukraine to be hitting Russia back. Hmm, interesting. Okay.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  There's at least seven people killed, two of them children. After Ukraine's second biggest city Kharkiv, there was a kindergarten that was hitting down there. Children were among the 27 wounded on top of the seven killed.

• 20:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, what's interesting is this has been going on the whole time. We've just all been so on Israel Palestine that nobody has paid attention to this. But none of this has stopped, just for the record.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Um, it's, it's, yeah, it's sad that, you know, we're taking victory laps in the Middle East, thinking like we're close to it, we're almost there. But, um, it seems like this Ukraine, Russia is just ongoing, it seems like. Uh, but yeah, um, thoughts and prayers to the victims. Hopefully we can get a peace deal going. Um, I don't, at this point, I don't even know what political pressure we need anymore. Cause Europe, all of the, the EU is pushing for a ceasefire. America was pushing for a ceasefire and Putin is like, I'm good.

• 20:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Drone them, so.

• 20:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Here, here's the thing. This is how this is gonna play out. Uh, they're never gonna have talks. Putin tells Trump what he wants to hear. Uh, the reality is that, um, it's some blend, I think, of Putin told NATO, don't keep coming closer. They kept coming closer. He does not trust them. He smells weakness, uh, from America. Economically, we are, so I certainly understand that. He's got a thriving relationship with China. Uh, China's on the upswing, so he's like, well, I'm keep rocking with these guys. Uh, and he will push it until he meets enough force to stop. And he, I think also just wants additional territory. I think he wants to reunite the USSR. So you put all that together, yeah, he's just gonna keep pushing until he meets sufficient force.

• 21:27Tom Bilyeu?

  So sufficient force will be an armed Europe that's willing to give Ukraine weapons. America that's willing to give Ukraine weapons. The green light to strike inside of Russia instead of like border towns. But like, if they start striking Moscow, this is gonna be a different game. Now, it's gonna be escalatory and this is exactly how you end up properly in World War III. Uh, but you're gonna march towards that. And then the only thing I can't foresee is if it starts getting serious and it's like, okay, they start doing sort of warning launches with missiles that Russia knows could reach, uh, Moscow, and they start hitting other places to be like, hey, for real, don't make us do it. Uh, and then he'll escalate really hard.

• 22:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And then the international community might get enough where everybody's outraged and they just come in and say, hey, you're starting to lose your own people, cause we're now hitting you. So you're putting yourself in a weaker and weaker position, especially if China is stressed economically, the way some people want us to believe. If Xi Jinping is actually struggling to maintain power, which I don't know is true, but it's certainly rumors are starting to come out, could be pure propaganda. But if that ends up being true, if Putin starts being weakened, that's the only like part of this where it's possible there's enough outcry, there's enough weakness that then they come to the negotiating table. But I think we can completely rule out that Putin is like, no, I really want an end to this.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:47Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that's all BS. I think he's just saying what Trump wants to hear to string him along. I think he's good at playing Trump. And so that's just gonna be what it's gonna be.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Man, well, yeah, we'll follow closely, see how that breaks. Um, okay, this was a developing story on X. Um, Jason Calacanis from All In Podcast took a victory lap because he called this. Amazon hopes to replace 600,000 US workers with robots, according to leaked documents. Yes, a lot of people lose their job, but if people invest stocks now in these early-stage technologies, we can earn annual dividends.

• 23:19Tom Bilyeu?

  By the way, this isn't Jason Calacanis.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no.

• 23:21Tom Bilyeu?

  This is Dr. Singularity.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just saying he retweeted it.

• 23:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it, got it.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  And he was talking about how he called this, uh, in the long term, automation will only grow, only continue to grow, that's certain. Besides this, there will also likely be in need of some for UBI, UHI, so there's no need to despair or panic. 2030s will be amazing. Um, leaked documents have shown that Amazon will replace, looks to replace 600,000 US workers with robots.

• 23:46Tom Bilyeu?

  2037 is gonna be amazing. 2029 to 2027 is gonna be rough. Is gonna be rough. So, yeah, uh, this to me is like saying, by the way, Drew, the sun is going to rise tomorrow. This is a foregone conclusion. I, I actually feel bad saying this because I clearly have some pent-up frustrations and I'm taking it out on the wrong people. But the reason that they're replacing,

• 24:19Tom Bilyeu?

  everything with robots is because everybody wants things cheap and nobody will work for free.

• 24:29Tom Bilyeu?

  We're the problem.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  There's gotta be margin there somewhere.

• 24:31Tom Bilyeu?

  This is not a Jeff Bezos thing. This is a...

• 24:36Tom Bilyeu?

  The second Jeff Bezos does something that makes Amazon more expensive, you will start going other places. Guess what those other places will do to win your business? Just guess, Drew.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Make things cheaper.

• 24:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct. And so, everyone will flood in to the companies that make things cheaper. And guess how they're gonna make it cheaper, Drew?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  By firing the people who have to get paid every year with the robots have to get paid one time.

• 24:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct. So...

• 25:02Tom Bilyeu?

  We are ushering in this future. This is not a Jeff Bezos from the top down is creating robots. This is not an Elon Musk is creating robots. This is all of us want a house full of servants. That's what this is. Like, we all want... Dude, there's a robot that's now $1,600. It's already on my agenda to talk to you about whether we get one for the show. Okay? So, like, 100%. We just have... Homie just hangs out here. Every now and then he says a joke or what... I don't think he can talk, but he like fucking does a dance. Like, you have a button where it's like if I say a banger, he like does a shimmy. Like, we... We want this. The people want this. We want cheap shit. We want a robot in our house that does dishes and gives us a blowjob. That's what people want.

• 25:48Tom Bilyeu?

  So, thi... This is going to happen. Because we're gonna make it happen. And so, until you guys are like, "You know what? I really wanna pay more for my shit. I want... Can I get something more expensive, please?" Then, Bezos is gonna be like, "Well, damn. Say less, fam. I'm gonna pay people to come in and do this, and everything's gonna be bespoke. Your Amazon cardboard box is gonna be bespoke. And I'm gonna have, like, a... A person whose job it is is to pack that box like perfectly and they're gonna write you a hand note. And if that's what everybody wants Amazon to be, that's what Amazon will become." People just somehow get lost in the sauce, thinking that this is just evil capitalists that are just making up what the next thing is gonna be.

• 26:32Tom Bilyeu?

  No, they are trying to give you what you want as fast as they can give it to you. And that's why I'm always sad when I hear people look at like, social media companies, and they get mad. And the reality is, that social media company is just responding to what you do. Now, they're using your biology against you. I totally understand that. But if you just stop engaging with it, it will go away. But people won't stop engaging with it. And therein lies the problem. And so then we get to the real ugly truth, where I go, wait, are you saying that humans don't have free will?

• 27:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Because once you start governing like people don't have free will, Drew, because even though we don't, you can't govern like we don't.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  It's always no free will. It's always a baby getting eaten. It's never Drew you get a raise. What's going on right now, guys?

• 27:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Wait, no, no, no. No, no, no.

• 27:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Did you get an unexpected raise?

• 27:32Speaker 02

  I did.

• 27:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so this motherfucker has the audacity to make it sound like I am the evil capitalist that you guys all want to eat. Fuck that.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Where's the guillotine at, guys? Where's the guillotine? It's Tom's fault. I already forget.

• 27:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Let the record reflect. Because of Drew's never-ending contributions to this show, I pulled him aside and said, hey, even though we haven't hit our goals yet, we're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

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• 29:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it. I want to make sure that you see how much I appreciate what you're doing. Let the fucking record.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  I'm joking, I'm joking.

• 29:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Okay, Pamela Mosley brought up a serious comment. She said, "Robots are not cheap, particularly Amazon robots. Software license agreements are very expensive, software maintenance, customer support." So this isn't like one for one. Break down what you like, how do they compare this decision between like human being, person?

• 29:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Who's the person that said that?

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Uh, her name is Pamela Mosley.

• 29:44Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm gonna send a robot to slap her in the mouth. That is wild. Are these people, are these people really dumb? They're, they're gonna get cheaper every day, every day. Did you know Lovable now integrates with Shopify? So that you can vibe code a store where you can actually sell shit. Guys, this is gonna happen so fast and when dumb people talk like things don't improve over time.

• 30:15Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know if they're clickbaiting or they're actually that stupid, but it's like, listen, these things are gonna get dirt cheap very rapidly, very rapidly. Like I said, there is a robot being sold out of China that right now is only $1,600. Okay? That's expensive. It's only going to get cheaper. So eventually this stuff just, yeah, it declines. But he's talking about doing it 2033. So it's like, what, eight years ish? Seven. Uh, so this is the kind of thing that over the next seven years, they're going to, I mean, they'll probably drop in half in cost every year? That's exponential dropping in cost.

• 30:58Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's gonna happen year over year over year. By the time he's putting them in, uh, the human labor will cost like $20,000 a year.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's.

• 31:10Tom Bilyeu?

  That works 24 hours a day.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, this reports right now.

• 31:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Changes its own battery.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  The figure Optimus is at 20K when it comes to market cheaper than a car.

• 31:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And that's probably in like three years.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:18Tom Bilyeu?

  So that number will drop.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:20Tom Bilyeu?

  And your ultimate in call it the next 10 to 12 years, an Optimus robot's probably gonna run you, I don't know, 12 grand, seven to 12 grand. It's gonna take you 10 to 12 years to get there, but yeah, that sounds about right. Now, right now, employees cost six figures in a lot of cases.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  More than seven to 12 grand.

• 31:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, by orders of magnitude. And by the way, a robot isn't going to sue you. A robot isn't gonna complain, a robot isn't gonna have their own problems, robot's not gonna have sick days. So it's like, boys and girls, remember, we are all the ones that want this. Now, we do have to deal with the meaning crisis. That's the next thing. I've already given the three answers for what this is gonna be, so.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  Uh, Bernie Sanders jumped on this and said, big tech oligarchs are coming for your job. Jeff Bezos will be replacing 600,000 jobs at Amazon with robots. His vision, fully automated operations.

• 32:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Yup.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Amazon.

• 32:14Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the public's vision, just for the record.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  That's the direction of every major corporation. AI and robotics must benefit workers, not the 1%.

• 32:20Tom Bilyeu?

  That final sentence is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard in my life.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  That's where I was gonna go with it. A lot of people are going to see this and say, oh no, let's do something.

• 32:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Yup.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Kinda give us, you know, a quick speed run of what's kind of the wrong reaction.

• 32:35Tom Bilyeu?

  I wanna speak Chinese. That's what they're really saying.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  You want one today, okay, alright. It's so fact though, that's it.

• 32:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So, here's the reality. Technology is a promise of a better tomorrow. Humans have an algorithm in their brain that says, I want tomorrow to be better than today. It has everything to do with the weather and needing to plan for winters that would otherwise kill you. And so the people that are alive today, certainly that came from climates like that, have an insatiable drive to make things better. You're not going to be able to stop humans. Technology that promises an advantage will be developed even if it puts all of humanity at risk. So the question doesn't become whether it should happen. The question becomes how do we do it well? And when I have to waste time with people like Bernie Sanders arguing for

• 33:28Tom Bilyeu?

  no one wants to see more people die than Bernie Sanders. So I'm not going to hear it from anybody with socialist philosophy. I'm not going to hear it, Drew. Because those principles are obviously suicidal. So the reason that that statement makes no sense. Robotics don't need to be good for workers. Robotics need to be good for civilization. Yes. That, yes. Like make those demands? Figure out how do we make this good for people? The transition is going to be hard. There's no way around that. But because this technology being AI and robotics has an advantage, it will be developed by you or your enemies. How many countries do I have to point to? People will come take all of your shit. They will kill all of your people if you are not prepared to stand up for yourself.

• 34:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, full stop, end of story. It is what it is. You're mad at God that humans have that gear. But they have that fucking gear. And how did we get to the most stable 70 year period ever, Drew? By dropping two fucking nuclear bombs on Japan and saying, what? What? Any of you other motherfuckers want smoke? And then everybody else went back in the fucking woodshed and we're like, god damn. We've got to make some of these ourselves. And so we had our own scientists are like, we've got to proliferate this. So we leaked the fucking secrets to the Russians because we were like, they were like, we can't have one country have this. And then it's fucking spreads everywhere. This is exactly what will happen with AI, robotics, drones, military, up, down, all of it.

• 34:57Tom Bilyeu?

  So it is going to happen. Now, should we, ought we as a society go, hey, let's do this well? Let's make sure that we have an eye for, okay, this is going to usher in an age of abundance. There's no way for it to not, because the only things that stop you from having an age of abundance are the resources themselves. So you're limited by that. And people's willingness to go extract those resources when they need calories in order to do it. Now despots will just go kill you and enslave you and force you to do it. That's one way. And so people just fucking die in the mines. And we've certainly done that for a very long time.

• 35:36Tom Bilyeu?

  The other way is to recognize that you can build a robot that eats sunlight. And that if AI is as good as I think it's going to become over the next 10 to 15 years, it will get so good at capturing the energy from that light source that will never need energy again. That's the same as saying that the entire labor force doesn't need food. Once the entire labor force doesn't need food, you're just in a totally different game. Because now you have effectively zero energy costs and effectively zero labor costs. Now it's what you're only limited by the existence of resources and the willingness to extract them. Cause there will be tons of fights over that.

• 36:20Tom Bilyeu?

  So now the cost of everything is just going to plummet. Like even before you get to robots do everything for us, the cost of energy is going to plummet. It's already going down if we weren't doing stupid, like overly protective green energy stuff. I love the planet and I want to see it well taken care of.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Data centers need to take some responsibility for that too. Cause they've been outsourcing the energy costs and making it go for people. So it's not.

• 36:40Tom Bilyeu?

  A hundred percent, but Drew, what they're going to give you for that will be insane.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  As long as they pay for it, I'm good with it.

• 36:46Tom Bilyeu?

  And AI is already creating novel breakthroughs in science, which we covered last week. So it's like, uh, this is going to be phenomenal. Now, the transition period is always hard. The industrial revolution, the transition period was hard. The internet, the transition period was hard. There's no doubt AI is going to have a difficult transition period. But again, you can't stop it. So now just put all of your time and attention into how do we do the transition period well? Asking that question critically important. Putting a ton of pressure on our government to do that well, critically important. Putting pressure on our entrepreneurs, critically important. Not buying from companies that we think are being irresponsible, critically important. I love all of that. But.

• 37:30Tom Bilyeu?

  To throw the flag on the play and be like, this has got to be good for workers? Like, come on, man. Like, that's just, that's literally like going, the automobile has to be good for horse and carriage people. What? That's nonsensical. Electricity has to be good for lamplighters. I'm sorry? Like, it's so dumb. So if what he really wants is to help workers, which I love, what he really means is I want people to have dignity. I want them to be able to provide for their families. Fuck yeah. I'll fight shoulder to shoulder with him over that concept. What I will not fight over with him are the solutions that he proposed, which are provably stupid.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  We had two super chats before the buzzer.

• 38:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, super chat. Let's go.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  First up from Kevin Bradshaw. Do you see UBI as being a real thing in the future? And why hasn't the job market collapsed yet from jobs being taken from us?

• 38:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Yet. I've seen the jobs report. So, yeah, well, so it's gonna happen slowly. It's, it's won't be like an overnight thing. And thank God, we want to drag the transition period out as fast as we can and still remain in pole position. So we don't want the transition to happen like as quickly as we can, but we do want to be in first place at all times. So the speed needs to be determined by what we have to do to remain in first place. That usually means more or less unlocking growth so that you're only limited by human ingenuity and how we can interface with AI. But you still do want that to take, like, if that takes 10 years, it's much better than if it takes 10 months. I'll just tell you that right now. So that's why it hasn't quote unquote collapsed it. But you are in the middle of the singularity right now. It is happening.

• 39:06Tom Bilyeu?

  You're living through it. If you wanted to know what it's going to feel like, it feels like this. Feels like every couple of weeks, you get a major breakthrough in AI, you very rapidly acclimate to it, you ignore the vast majority of them, only to be then taken by surprise by the people that pick one narrow area of it, run with it and do some huge breakthrough, whether that's in cancer, whether that's in now you can build a Shopify store. In minutes, uh, instead of the weeks or months that it would have taken previously. And so it's just going to continue to be like the, how do we boil the frog one thing at a time? Um, it will happen. It's just a question over how long.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  And from Sequoia Hall, great job on the, uh, Ro Khanna interview. He was a good guest to round out the views you were bringing on.

• 39:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Really appreciate that. However, political interviews are terrible on the channel. So I don't know how much longer we're going to do them, man. This is one where people vote for what they want. You guys are voting, you're screaming for more deep dives. Um, so the deep dives in the lives feel like the right path forward. It could just be me that the way I do interviews, people just don't dig it. Could just be politicians and that as long as we do a narrow, narrow, narrow band of interviews will be fine. The problem is chasing guests is brutal. It's too expensive to have a full-time booker just doing their thing. Uh, so that leaves Drew and I basically chasing people, which means Drew.

• 40:30Tom Bilyeu?

  And, uh, at some point we just run out of fucking time. So anyway, uh, that's sort of the, the numbers of it all. If you look at the Ro Khanna interview, I'm super proud of it. I thought it was awesome. I really enjoyed my time with him. I disagree with him on so many of the solutions, but found him extremely smart, respectful, wonderful, sincere. Um, yeah, it was great. And in the same amount of time that we'll do a hundred thousand and like 20 views on a deep dive, we'll do like 23, 24,000 on a politician interview. So their days are numbered. Although I would do Mom Donnie in a heartbeat. Uh, so we'll see if we can make it come true. All right, everybody.

• 41:14Tom Bilyeu?

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