#390 - "There's an ESCAPE Hatch" New Details Inside Epstein's Prison Cell | Julian Dorey

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Julian Dorey hosts the @JulianDorey podcast. SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS @JulianDorey https://x.com/juliandorey https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Julian becoming a Florida man 04:06 - Middle child syndrome 08:16 - Society is waking up 14:39 - Importance of "checking out" 17:09 - Tommy G & the Swim Team 22:50 - @arab visited Iran 28:04 - PBD calling out his co-host 30:22 - Baal vs. Baphoment 31:41 - Kurt Metzger 35:45 - recreating Epstein's jail cell 42:47 - Epstein's cell had an escape hatch? 51:09 - John Kiriakou's #1 on Cameo 54:22 - Trump's newest pardon 01:00:10 - psychologists behind the CIA torture program 01:07:42 - Good eventually wins out against Evil 01:15:31 - Tucker Carlson could be president 01:18:15 - Bi-partisan politics is a sham 01:23:35 - Thomas Massie and Miriam Adelson 01:28:53 - Dan Bongino 01:32:52 - Why Pam Bondi is getting fired 01:36:12 - Hypernormalization of NYC in 1975 01:44:32 - Tim Dillon's rant on Boomers 01:50:15 - Millions are leaving Florida 01:55:54 - Harmony Korine 02:00:37 - What John Kiriakou said off-camera 02:04:12 - Saudi Arabia's deal with Ukraine 02:11:33 - Artemis mission 02:13:31 - They successfully buried the Epstein files 02:15:26 - Steven Bannon 02:21:37 - Supra-government 02:29:31 - Who Epstien worked for 02:33:06 - Why they won't release UFO files Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Now at Kroger, your points add up to more ways to save every trip. Use them your way to take dollars off groceries at checkout or save at the pump. You can even save up to $35 on your next fill-up. Same points, more choices. And with low prices on fresh, quality food, plus digital and personalized offers tailored to how you shop, your dollar goes further. Redeem your points online or in the app. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  At Humana, our Medicare Advantage plans are easy to understand and easy on your wallet. Like offering more benefits than you'd get from original Medicare alone. And including dental, vision, and hearing coverage in every plan. And the best part is, every plan has a $0 or low monthly plan premium, which makes it easier to save, too. So this Medicare planning season, plan well with Humana. Learn more at gethumana.com. Humana is a Medicare Advantage, HMO, and PPO organization with a Medicare contract. Enrollment in any Humana plan depends on contract renewal.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  It's good to see you, Danny Jones. You're in your lair now. I love this shit.

• 1:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man. It's good to have you back.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  It's been about four years. Yeah, four years since I was on here. And then we did the Fed Fest a couple of times. But I haven't seen you, like, in, we talk every day, but I haven't seen you in the flesh for the last two and a half years plus.

• 1:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we do podcasts pretty much every [bleep] week over the phone, but now it's nice to be in person, bro.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:30Danny Jones?

  And we're gonna get you and Joey D, turn you guys into Florida men. We're gonna get you guys some vitamin D, get you guys a little tan before we send you back up to New Jersey.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Bro, I'm telling you, last year, like, and he had the same thing happen. From September to October, we went down about 12 shades of tint. Like, like, we were tan as [bleep]. And then overnight, it was like, we went into [bleep] Norway with Jon Snow. Like, it was just done. But, you know, it's nice getting a little vitamin D. We've been whacked this whole winter, man. Snow, snow, snow, snow, snow. It's crazy.

• 2:04Danny Jones?

  Bro, I haven't seen snow since I was, like, eight years old.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Well, I can show you some.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  But you've been killing it, man. I mean, I know we always talk about this on the phone, but like to be here in the pyramid that was supposed to be a cathedral, but I like that people are calling it a pyramid.

• 2:19Danny Jones?

  It's a, it's a mixture between a pyramid, a cathedral, and that room in the movie Dune.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Yes. There's only one disappointing part of this whole place.

• 2:29Danny Jones?

  What is it?

• 2:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know.

• 2:31Danny Jones?

  Well, the fake stone?

• 2:34Speaker 02

  The fake stone.

• 2:34Danny Jones?

  Well, what are we gonna?

• 2:35Speaker 02

  I thought it was real. I thought you imported it from, you know.

• 2:40Danny Jones?

  Well, then we did our job. Then the set designer did his job. He made Julian Dory think it's real.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it would, but it's like.

• 2:48Danny Jones?

  We're, hey, it's like we're, it's like we're in a real medieval cathedral right now and we got Lord Farquhar.

• 2:59Danny Jones?

  On the show.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Thank you. Give it two more months. It's gonna grow back in. The Jersey Farquad. I'll take it.

• 3:04Danny Jones?

  I love the hair, bro. That's a new look for you.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I took a little too much off like two months ago. I need another two months to grow.

• 3:11Danny Jones?

  Oh, you're growing it longer?

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz it's all fucking cut up here. So it looks a little.

• 3:16Danny Jones?

  My favorite look of all time that you've ever had was in the beginning of your show when you had it coming out the back of the, the hat.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was down to here.

• 3:23Danny Jones?

  You had it coming down the back, bro?

• 3:25Speaker 02

  It was literally down.

• 3:26Danny Jones?

  That was legit. It was like a, you were like, it was like kind of a Kid Rock look, like a Burnett. You're like a Burnett Kid Rock.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Burnett Kid Rock.

• 3:33Danny Jones?

  But with the, you didn't have the same hat. You had the Phillies hat. He didn't wear a Phillies hat.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  He did not wear a Phillies.

• 3:38Danny Jones?

  No. You were on fire back then and you're still on fire.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  I'm trying. I'm trying, man. It's, uh, I mean, you know what it is. You just gotta keep fucking pumping every single week. It's like you put one out and you're on to the next one.

• 3:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  But it's a fun job.

• 3:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's definitely, uh, it's definitely a lot different. A lot different doing so many podcasts. You know, it's like you don't, especially, I mean, you're doing like three a week. I'm only doing like two a week, but still it's just, uh, just rinse, the, the whole rinse and repeat aspect of it of just fucking showing up and trying to, trying to stay in the zone and have conversations with people. It's like, it's the only thing that keeps me sane. It's like, it keeps me, uh, it keeps me accountable because I have to be accountable to the people that are coming on the show. And it was like, I gotta show up here and I gotta be somewhat awake.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  You got the star waking you up all night back at home. That's the problem.

• 4:31Danny Jones?

  I got a full forty minutes of sleep last night, bro.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Forty minutes?

• 4:34Danny Jones?

  A full forty.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Well, you got the zero caffeine, whatever, to not help you out, apparently.

• 4:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, I got, my wife made me a beautiful espresso and orange juice.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 4:43Danny Jones?

  It's keeping me alive.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Espresso and orange juice. That's some, that's pretty cool.

• 4:47Danny Jones?

  Dude, it's the move. I'm telling you.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Look at how it like, look at the filtration of that, too.

• 4:51Danny Jones?

  No, yeah, isn't it cool?

• 4:52Speaker 02

  Get it down low and then high?

• 4:54Danny Jones?

  If you leave the espresso, if you pour the espresso early when it's still cold, and then you dump the orange juice juice in and then put the espresso on top, it leaves that little line there. It makes it look fun.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  So he's the, the middle kid's been waking you up every fucking night, all night?

• 5:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, he wait, we put him to bed and he's back in our bed. We put him to bed at eight. He's back in our bedroom at nine thirty, maybe ten at the, at the earliest. And then we put him back in his bed. He'll be back in our bed at midnight.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Listen, he's a star. He's high maintenance.

• 5:25Danny Jones?

  Every two hours, bro.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  He's high maintenance. It's okay.

• 5:27Danny Jones?

  He is. All, both, both the other kids sleep like angels. It's just the star. But, yeah.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  That's my retirement plan.

• 5:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  And he's eighteen.

• 5:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm lucky I got my wife to keep me alive.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  And he's going, he's becoming a great actor. That's what we're doing. I'll be his agent. This kid, if you have not seen his middle kid, he's got the dome up there. It's like the tenth planet.

• 5:48Danny Jones?

  He's growing into it.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, he's.

• 5:51Danny Jones?

  He's growing into it.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  And he's got main character syndrome.

• 5:53Danny Jones?

  He's got issues, bro. He's got issues. He's got, I mean, every middle child has issues. You don't know, you're an only child. You don't know.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  No, but I have heard that a ton.

• 6:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the middle kids are the ones that get the least amount of attention because the first ones are like, they get so much attention. They're this, they're, they're, the real star is the first child. And the second one, it's like, okay, we've already fucking done this dance before. Then the last child is like, oh my God, it's our last, it's our last baby. We gotta cuddle this one, you know, she's gonna be, we gotta cherish the moment. And the middle child gets fucking left out and that's him. So he's experiencing the trauma of that and.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  That's gonna be useful later.

• 6:29Danny Jones?

  That trauma?

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:30Danny Jones?

  In Hollywood?

• 6:31Speaker 02

  Yes, that's important.

• 6:32Danny Jones?

  There's not gonna be no Hollywood when he grows up, bro. When he grows up, it's just gonna be fucking AI hell. Everything's gonna be fuck dolls everywhere and AI everywhere and social media, bro, social. Like, the social media we know today is gonna be like. A forgotten thing. We're gonna be tapped in with our minds.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Jokes aside, you're right, man. I don't know what it's gonna look like, but it's gonna be very, very different.

• 6:56Danny Jones?

  We're not gonna be able to, we're not even gonna be able to, to think our own thoughts anymore, bro. It's just gonna be, we wake up and then we're gonna have just fucking news headlines piped into our heads on a subscription model, something.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  Like a Neuralink, just pounding it right here?

• 7:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't know what, I don't know, dude. It's just gonna, I can't imagine it's gonna be good.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  Well, I think now's the moment where people are more aware of that potential type dystopia thing in the future than they ever would have been in the past, you know what I mean? Like, and it's the time right now to shine a light on the people who want that. And I mean, the bad people, the bad people in charge, the people we seen in that Epstein class, the people that are in charge of the technocracies and all that. And I do feel like this can be a real fulcrum point, rather than like this giant holy shit, everything's fucked, which it's easy to feel that way. I certainly feel that way sometimes looking at this, especially since no one's in prison for things like the obscene stuff. But like, you know, these people used to be able to do all this stuff strictly behind closed doors.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Now, you know, you got citizen journalists harassing them outside places, as, as they should, you know? Appropriately, don't, don't punch them or anything, don't give them what they want. But, you know, certainly, ask these people what the fuck they're doing. Why are, why are you trying to take technology and invade our privacy? Why are you using the politicians that you buy to legislate in things very quietly in the middle of a bunch of other legislature that's gonna lead to that potential fucking future, where you're waking up and you're chipped in the head, like you're saying?

• 8:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I feel like the more headlines I read and the more Twitter I scroll, I just feel like the more my brain is fucked.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Hmm, yeah.

• 8:39Danny Jones?

  All the news and all the headlines and it's all about another fucking country. Some shit that we're so disconnected from like, are we supposed to give a fuck about that? Are we supposed to give a flying fuck about some like, like religious extremists? Fighting with some private industrial like war companies that make missiles and, and people that are getting paid to do all like it's so, it's too much, bro. We're not supposed to pay attention to this kind of shit. It's not, it's not healthy, bro. It's not healthy. I don't, I don't think it's fucking healthy. I just don't, at least not for me.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  When people make it the entire meaning of their lives and you know, they do a job that's completely separate from that, I think that's unhealthy. But I think some of the awareness, even if it's like a whip a morale here to where people went from living in a society where you weren't aware of any of this stuff to now like, holy shit, I can't take my eyes off it because I can see it all the time. Like that's not healthy, but if you can kind of pull it back to a place where you know what's going on, you know what you're voting for and your vote probably doesn't really matter that much, but you at least know what's going in there. And how things are affected around the world and more of the average person understands that maybe the future will be slightly different. Maybe you move that, you know, estuary possibility that could go this way or that way. And you just slightly move it off this way instead of the bad way. I don't know.

• 10:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  I don't know. We're fucking podcasters. What are we gonna do about it?

• 10:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't know, bro. I was listening to this thing, uh, this morning. I was like, I was sitting in the sauna and I was listening to this, uh, LeBron James meditation app thing. And he's talking about, he was talking about, uh, remember in, when they were playing the fucking, it was, he was, he was on the Cavs, 2015. They were on their way to the finals. They were, I think it was a second round. They were playing the Bulls. And I think it was game four and they were down two to one and.

• 10:39Danny Jones?

  LeBron, I don't, did you watch that series?

• 10:43Speaker 02

  I remember all those years. I'm trying to remember this series though. I can't place it.

• 10:48Danny Jones?

  So, so this was-

• 10:49Speaker 02

  And this is after D Rose, long after he blew out his days. Jimmy Butler's the guy now.

• 10:53Danny Jones?

  Jimmy Butler's the guy.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:54Danny Jones?

  And it was, they were down two to one and it was game four. If they would have lost this game, they would have been down three to one. And there was like five seconds on the clock or whatever and Deladova was passing it in from out of bounds. And LeBron did that thing where he fucking sprints across the court, tries to lose Jimmy Butler because Jimmy Butler's on him. And he fucking catches the ball and he's sprinting down that little gap between out of bounds and the three point line. You know, where the bench is, he's like sprinting down there and he's like right inside the three point line and he just fucking jumps up and throws it like that. And it goes in.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  I feel like I was there.

• 11:33Danny Jones?

  Dude, I remember it like it was yesterday. I was, because that like,

• 11:39Danny Jones?

  and they won it by one fucking point. And that was when they came, that was the same year that they beat the, uh, the Golden State Warriors when they were down three to one.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  So that, you're talking about 2016 then?

• 11:49Danny Jones?

  That was, no, I want to say it was-

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Because they won in 2016 for sure. I know that. Golden State won their first one in 2015.

• 11:54Danny Jones?

  That was 20-

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Golden State won in, in the 2014, 2015 season, they beat the Cavs four to-

• 12:00Danny Jones?

  They did. I think this was the 2015, so they may have lost to the, to the, to the, um, Golden State that year. But, like, I got, the point I was getting at, like, was it like that time, at that point in history, I was not paying attention to anything but fucking sports and NBA and, and only the shit in my life. And that's the point I think I was probably the fucking happiest. I mean, kids aside, the kids, my kids make me happier than anything, but like, at that point in my life, when I was tuned out, I was tuned out to everything. It was just fucking watching. Basketball, like doing my own thing, having fun with my friends, surfing, skating. And like, it wasn't until after that I got woken up to all this crazy shit.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Well, the pandemic happened and that changed the world.

• 12:45Danny Jones?

  Couple of years after that.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  You know, it changed the world in every way for all the things that came after it that technically I guess had nothing to do with the pandemic. But really, everything kind of has to do with that. And I think there is something to be said for that. The other end of it is like.

• 12:57Danny Jones?

  I'll be reminiscing. I was like, man, I miss that part of my life.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  But that's what I'm saying, like the one, one end of it is like, all right, well, is that just bread and circus? And we're not supposed to pay, pay attention to anything. The other end of it is like, is that healthy? I think it's healthy. I love sports. I think it should be amazing to be able to escape from something. I can't stand when you go on Twitter and a fucking sports game's on and you got all these retards on there commenting about whether or not someone did something that they liked or where an end racism fucking. Tag on their jersey. I don't give a fuck. I'm here to watch thumpity, thumpity, thump, boom. I don't want to think about it. I'm with you. But at the same time, you know, we're at that moment in the fourth turning where there's just a lot of shit hitting the fan. And it, and it does suck.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  But I think like the perspective for someone like you, like looking in your seat, like you got the great things in life figured out. You got the family, you got the kids, you're happy, great marriage, good house, bills paid. You've made your own way, completely self-created from the beginning, being a great filmmaker and documentarian, eventually also becoming a great podcaster and building that. You built this from the ground up. Like, that's a pretty fucking amazing thing.

• 14:08Danny Jones?

  A little bit of money from Israel helped.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  A little bit of money from Israel. You got your $7,000 check every week, but still, you know, that's not that much.

• 14:14Danny Jones?

  Keeps the lights on, you know?

• 14:15Speaker 02

  It keeps the lights on, but like now there's times where in the course of your job, like, you know?

• 14:25Speaker 02

  It's kinda like that Tommy G quote I always say where you can't boil the ocean, but you boil your pot. Like, there's a part of it where you're boiling your pot a little bit, where you're covering things that really fucking matter. And you're not gonna be perfect, but you try to do the best job so that people out there can decide for themselves. I mean, I think that's, I think that's a pretty cool thing. If there's one part about the job that can get somewhat serious sometimes, like, sometimes it's those really, really big stories like that, and there's a lot of us in the industry who cover it. But, yeah, I, I, I think if you're getting totally wrapped up in it, and you're just waking up every morning and thinking about who the fucking president of the United States is, and whether or not you love that or hate that, you should probably prioritize your life a little more.

• 15:08Danny Jones?

  If you enjoy watching our show on Spotify or YouTube, and you want to be more involved, I encourage you to please come check out our Patreon community. Not only does our Patreon community get every episode you see on YouTube, early, fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're also doing Patreon-exclusive episodes, as well as live Q and A's, and you can get your personal questions answered by our guests every single week. For me, being able to collaborate and communicate back and forth with our Patreon community every week has been huge. And this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a cup of coffee a month. Now, back to the show.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  There's a guy online, I forget his fucking name, but I clocked it maybe like, three years ago, I wanna say, and basically, like, his thing is he's an ex-conspiracy theorist. Now, he went hard the other way, meaning he believes anything now that, like, the government will tell him, and everything that's ever happened is not a conspiracy, which, to be clear, I completely disagree with him in that way. The reason I clocked it and started tracking it to see what it was is because I think it's an interesting pattern in that there are a lot of people over the last, you know, in different tranches, if you will, different things push different people down the lens of, like, really looking into things. But, over the past five,

• 16:21Speaker 02

  10, 15 years, as the internet really, really grew and became the thing, there are all these people who suddenly really got completely wired up to where the whole meaning of their life was every fucking crisis that was happening, that, like, the Illuminati was personally taking care of and doing their thing. And while on some of those cases, I mean, it's clear, we can see these Epstein emails, like, they're right, to be very clear. What's gonna end up happening, I think, with some people, and this is what I saw with this guy, why I'm bringing him up, is that they're gonna get five years down the line, 10 years down the line, they're gonna be stuck in the same job, or a worse job, they're gonna hate their wife more than they did 10 years ago, if they have one, they're gonna be fucking miserable because

• 17:05Speaker 02

  they're worried about things that aren't like the happiness source of their life so much that they have no control over at the end of the day, and they're gonna be like, "I gotta check out from this shit." So I think like, at a moment like this, especially where there are so many things that are being proven true, that are objectively horrific in every way, we also gotta be careful to not just, you know, fucking fire Elmo meme it, and just be like, "Everything's doomsday, I need to worry about every single thing that Benjamin Netanyahu said since 7 o'clock this morning, and if I don't, my day's fucked." Like, you can't totally be like that. Like, we are in an industry where we cover that more, like, it's a little bit of our job to know a

• 17:46Speaker 02

  little bit more, but, you know, even with us, like, I'll speak for us, like, you gotta check

• 17:51Danny Jones?

  I'm fucking sick of it, dude. I'm so sick of it. I wake up, I look on Twitter, and I see some post about Trump and the Iran war, and I wanna throw up. I wanna talk about, you know, I wanna just make dick jokes for three hours instead.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Go back to the Ben Mala fucking, at the Barstool days?

• 18:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, I wanna grab a video camera and go videotape some bums behind Circle K, you know, or go fucking, you know, maybe I'll get, I'll go work with Tommy G and go make some documentaries sometime. I'll be his fucking cameraman or something.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Yes, I need to see that. I need that in my life. Hello, folks, I'm Tommy G, and today I've got Andy Jones with me.

• 18:27Danny Jones?

  Tommy, dude, that guy's incredible, man.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  He's awesome, dude. Greatest guy ever, too, but like, Tommy G's personally branded, like, he's a one of one. You know what I mean?

• 18:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  And he gets genuinely so fucking excited, like, you can, you can feel the blood rushing through his veins for every story he does, and he does all this different shit now, right? And one day, he could be like, covering whether or not AIPAC's paying off fucking Chuck Schumer, and the next day, he's in the middle of the hood, selling guns to Crack dealers like it's the greatest like range of content.

• 19:01Danny Jones?

  Who were those dudes that you had? You had Tommy G on your show with these two guys wearing like ski masks, right?

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Oh, no, Tommy wasn't on that one.

• 19:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  But it was.

• 19:10Danny Jones?

  He knew those dudes? We did a documentary with him or something?

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was five guys wearing ski masks. They were the swim team from New York, the most wanted drivers. So squeeze bends who was not on the swim team. He was he was his own separate thing. He was not there, but.

• 19:23Danny Jones?

  They called themselves the swim team?

• 19:25Speaker 02

  The swim team. Yeah, no, what when I first met Tommy, it was when he was in town filming. The first part of that back in, you know, we hit it off right away. Just great fucking guy, but March 2024, he came through, did my podcast and then went and filmed with them. And then it was the most viral. Documentary he ever made, but these guys basically, I don't know if you can pull it up, Stephen, but you know, they they're not drag racers. They just. Do it for the love of the game. You know how like Dick Cheney bombed the Middle East for the love of the game?

• 19:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  These guys drive between 120 and 160, 170 through New York City and do wheelies and shit for the love of.

• 20:04Danny Jones?

  Around pedestrians and innocent people.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  And and that's why, listen, to be very clear, I do not condone it at all like, and we had a very frank discussion. I did. Episode 248 with them and it was, you know, I appreciated their honesty and like they're really. Off camera, like they were great guys. I got along with them really, really well and a lot of them don't even really have a ton of vices. They just do this. But I'm like, what happens? I obviously like they're very talented drivers if I'm talking objectively. Okay, fine. But what happens the day? You know, you cut over two roads and you hit a kid in a stroller.

• 20:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  You think I'm gonna fucking defend you? Get the fuck out of here. It's insane. It's absolutely insane.

• 20:49Danny Jones?

  How old are these kids?

• 20:50Speaker 02

  I can't say because they're.

• 20:52Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  That's that's classified.

• 20:53Danny Jones?

  Where's the where's the footage? Oh, there we go. No, no, this isn't an animation.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  That's an animation, but here's Tommy in the car with them. So some of the guys in the car right now, two of them were two of the guys in the studio. With me and they're all undercover and we had to change. We had to change their

• 21:09Danny Jones?

  Can you give us some audio, Steve?

• 21:11Speaker 02

  We had to change their voices, obviously, so the whole episode, they're like

• 21:16Danny Jones?

  That makes it cooler.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  But it was, it was int- that was one of my most memorable recordings because they're talking like this, but I don't hear them like this because I have to do that post-edit after.

• 21:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right, right, right.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Hardest audio post-edit I ever did in my life. Holy shit, I wanted, I wanted to kill a small animal by the end of this. Fucking thirty-two hours to do it because I had to get them all on one audio track.

• 21:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  So I had, meaning I had to go cut every time someone went to say something different and I had to cut my voice differently, so I wasn't talking like that. Oh my god, it was fucking brutal. But we recorded at like eleven thirty.

• 21:54Danny Jones?

  This isn't that crazy.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  That part right there wasn't, but

• 21:57Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, what about some innocent woman?

• 21:59Speaker 02

  When they really, when they really pick it up. Like, I don't know if you-

• 22:01Danny Jones?

  I love how he added this B-roll of kids playing soccer.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  I don't know if you saw, well, this, oh, you know what? Because this isn't the original documentary, this is an interview with them. So if you go to Tommy G's channel and just type in New York's Most Wanted Drivers, there's one with thirteen or fourteen million views. It's his biggest view, you just go to Popular Videos and it'll come up and you'll see more of them driving, but like-

• 22:22Danny Jones?

  Hit Popular, Steve. There you go.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  That one right there.

• 22:25Danny Jones?

  Fuck.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  So this was almost, this was, this came out like almost exactly two years ago. But you see at the beginning, like, he's driving with squeeze bends right there.

• 22:33Danny Jones?

  Give it some, you got any audio on there, Steve?

• 22:36Danny Jones?

  Oh, Tommy G, you're gonna copyright us, Billy?

• 22:39Speaker 02

  But I, I can talk to him. It'll be alright. But basically, that was a memorable recording. Like I was saying, because we're, we recorded for like two hours, ten minutes, and it's me at the time Alessi was still in the studio with me, not Deef, and I got five guys in glasses and ski masks. So when I'm talking or like cracking a joke or something, I can't tell if they're laughing or glaring at me.

• 23:07Danny Jones?

  Right, that's weird.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  And I'm like looking around and they would, and you'd just see like them move like this. I'm like, was that a laugh or is he about to knock me the fuck out? But, you know, and then like, it's just wild because there, you gotta get them undercover and everything. It's like, kinda like this secretive recording and then downstairs, it's a Saturday night and, you know, all the fucking bars are popping and people have no idea what's happening upstairs.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  But yeah, I highly recommend this. He did a second part, put it out in June 2025. Like kind of an update.

• 23:37Danny Jones?

  When's he gonna start going on the fucking front lines of wars and shit, dude?

• 23:40Speaker 02

  He wants to.

• 23:41Danny Jones?

  I bet he does.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Oh, he's nuts. Tommy's Tommy's got a screw loose. I mean that in a good way.

• 23:46Danny Jones?

  I'm here. I'm here in Tehran.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  My boy Arab was in Tehran right before they attacked.

• 23:54Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:56Danny Jones?

  Who's that?

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's it's at Arab on.

• 23:59Danny Jones?

  Arab, okay.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  On on.

• 24:01Danny Jones?

  What's he do?

• 24:02Speaker 02

  He's he's another one like Tommy. He goes around the world and gets stories. He's the one that was kidnapped in Haiti. For like three weeks and they tried to have a ransom and he like livestreamed the whole thing.

• 24:12Danny Jones?

  Oh, I never heard about that.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, no, Arab's an interesting guy. But he I think he first like blew up when he was going down. Yeah, when he was going down to the favelas in Brazil. But I don't know if we could see it, Steve, if it's a recent video. It should be very recent. Inside Tehran during the war. Like, I think he was there like in the week leading up to the war.

• 24:35Danny Jones?

  When was the post date, the published date? Go down?

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Well, the war broke out the 27th, so let's hit more there, Steve.

• 24:41Danny Jones?

  Holy shit. See, bro, this is what I always talk about.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  This is before.

• 24:45Danny Jones?

  This is what I always fucking go back to.

• 24:49Danny Jones?

  Is like people like you and people like me and and everybody else on the internet that do all these podcasts. We don't. We don't know jack shit. We don't. You don't know fuck all. I don't know fuck all about nothing. All we do is read and listen to people talk.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 25:03Danny Jones?

  These are the only people that know what's actually happening. And unless you can take a video camera and go show it and talk to people and do all that stuff, you really have, I mean, even only then. Just watching the video, you're gonna get a lot of it, but you're still not gonna get everything. And when you just distill it down to fucking text.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 25:23Danny Jones?

  And words on a microphone.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 25:25Danny Jones?

  You're getting like a fucking thin ass layer of reality, bro.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And that, but I also think that's like my favorite part about the job because we get to have people come in from across the world. And obviously you gotta make it like we gotta make a judgment in this chair and everyone else there out there has to make their own judgment, listening to it. As to who seems more credible or comes with more evidence and facts and whatever based on things, but

• 25:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  These people from around the world doing everything from fun stuff to like very serious stuff, even when they're having fun with it.

• 25:53Danny Jones?

  Smoking a cigarette.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  I don't know that that's a cigarette. That might not be a cigarette.

• 25:57Danny Jones?

  No, he pulled it out of a pack of cigarettes. It might be a joint.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  But either way, like, you know, we're trying to hear about, we get pieces of the world coming into our studio. Mine in fucking good old Jersey and yours right here in good old Florida. And we get to hear first person, like what they're, what they're finding and what's going on and ask questions. And so I do think we have a chance to get more informed through that, but you're absolutely right. You can't know the full context until you go through the fourth wall yourself. You know what I mean? Like I can make, forget AI, I'm not even there yet. I can make a video, do whatever I want it to do, or make the context, whatever I want. If I'm, if I'm Arab, I haven't talked to him about this documentary yet, but maybe I interview 25 people for that documentary.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  And let's say Arab wanted to do a hatchet job and he doesn't do that. But like, let's say he was a bad guy and he wanted to do a hatchet job. If five of those people were shitting all over something and that's the angle that he wanted. But 20 of the people told the truth and said, no, it's actually all fine or whatever. And that's the angle he didn't want. You'd never know that he cut the other 20 people out, you know? And so I, I, I do.

• 27:06Danny Jones?

  You've never been.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  You've never been?

• 27:08Danny Jones?

  You've never been.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  You went to a place, but you've never been. I mean, as a, as a rule, I don't talk about a country until I've gone there. When have you been to Iran?

• 27:18Danny Jones?

  That's the best thing to say when you're losing an argument. You've never been.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  You've never been. I remember just being like, oh man, that's an L for the fucking academic class. It's a tough one. Dave Smith is.

• 27:33Danny Jones?

  He's on fire.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Dave Smith is always on fire, man. And here's the thing. Whether or not he's right or wrong on a given issue, whatever it is. Man, is he fucking great at presenting it.

• 27:44Danny Jones?

  He's got moxie.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  And if you can't accept that going into it and understand that that is what you're dealing with. And you better fucking bring the goods and bring it in a way that is digestible and entertaining to everyone. Then that's your fucking problem.

• 27:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that dude's got moxie. My favorite is when he called that one guy a f*** it. The Berensen, the Berensen guy.

• 28:08Danny Jones?

  He's like, what are you talking about, you f*** it?

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Well, the new favorite now is Coldman, Coldman Hughes body bagged you.

• 28:26Danny Jones?

  Oh my god, the PBD guy.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  That was, that was, Deef ruined my day.

• 28:33Danny Jones?

  He showed you that interview, that debate?

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Deef's like, you need to stop what you're doing. I'm like, I'm not stopping what I'm doing. I'm making thumbnails. We have an episode at 12. He's like, well, you need to put this on.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  And I was like, put on what? And he's like, this guy debating Dave Smith. And I put, I was, it was like that fucking headphones meme where you're just like, oh, oh no. Cause Dave didn't even win. That was the one debate. He didn't even have to say anything.

• 28:56Danny Jones?

  It wasn't even a fucking debate.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  He's like, he's like Shannon Sharp, just fucking smoking a fucking whatever, Black and Mild and saying, look right here, man.

• 29:04Danny Jones?

  Ah, god, that was tough. I don't know what was worse, that or the post-game with him and his daddy PBD. He's like lecturing him and on live, on his live show, he's like, Adam, we need to have a talk here. The reason I'm doing this live is because I love you, man, but we have to have a talk. If you're just gonna go doing debates without me knowing and looking like this, he's like, we're gonna have a problem here. He's like, yes, sir. I know. I'm sorry. I'm not, yeah. And it was like, dude, it was like, no self-awareness. Zero.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  That, yeah, that guy, Adam, obviously doesn't have a lot of self-awareness and is taking some Ls and he deserves it, but like,

• 29:46Speaker 02

  I don't know. I, this is just me, and maybe this is just like what my dad taught me growing up. He's like, have really difficult conversations behind the scenes and, and take hard actions sometimes if that's what it calls for, but you handle it behind the scenes.

• 30:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  You don't fucking roll over on people in public.

• 30:04Danny Jones?

  He did it in public to save himself, though. That's what he, that's, that shows you, that tells you.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  But why do you have to, I, I don't know. I don't know why, if you're talking about PBD there, I assume. Like, I, I don't, I don't know what the, what the logic is there, but like.

• 30:16Danny Jones?

  That's what he said. He goes, the reason I'm doing this live is to cover my own ass.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Oh, he said that?

• 30:21Danny Jones?

  He said something like that. I'm not like.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  What does he have, that's what I'm saying, like.

• 30:24Danny Jones?

  That's not exactly what he said.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  You know, I guess people could be like, when PBD's sending people, he's not sending their best, you know? Maybe they could say that about it, but. I don't know. I, I, I just think that's something you handle behind, behind closed doors. But you know, he did get shoved into a locker and swirly through the fucking bathroom at the same time, for sure.

• 30:45Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Sorry if that was like a little PTSD, Steve.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  I heard Steve go like, oh.

• 30:52Danny Jones?

  What, with the swirly?

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:54Danny Jones?

  You think Steve got swirlies?

• 30:55Speaker 02

  I didn't think so. I think Steve, I think Steve was like beating the shit out of people in high school. That's why I was surprised.

• 30:59Danny Jones?

  Steve grew up in fucking Texas, bro.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:01Danny Jones?

  He had a, he, he didn't have a easy-

• 31:03Speaker 02

  I feel like he had a toothpick and he was just fucking rolling through the hallway being like, A S A. Relax. Maybe, maybe that was the PTSD.

• 31:12Danny Jones?

  He grew up on the Texas-Mexico border, bro. He was running with the cartels.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  He's like, yeah, I was doing that shit to people all the time.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  I grew up picking mushrooms out of cow patties.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right. And fucking taking them. Interesting picture of Baal back there, by the way.

• 31:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you like that?

• 31:26Speaker 02

  No. No, but it's, uh, it's an interesting thing to look at.

• 31:30Danny Jones?

  That's Steve's desktop, uh, that's your desktop background.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  That's nice.

• 31:34Danny Jones?

  Of Baal.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 31:36Danny Jones?

  Is it Baal or was it B A A one?

• 31:38Speaker 04

  Baphomet.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Oh, that's Bapho- what's the difference?

• 31:41Danny Jones?

  What?

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Baphomet and Baal?

• 31:42Speaker 04

  They're all demons.

• 31:43Danny Jones?

  I have no fucking clue.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  I thought that was the same thing.

• 31:45Danny Jones?

  I have no idea. It's a bull. It's like a bull god that eats children.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Right. It has like the goat fucking horns. The goat head with the horns and it's a human-

• 31:53Danny Jones?

  No, no, no, that's not Baal.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  And it does the thing with the hands like the opposite-

• 31:56Danny Jones?

  No, that's different. That's, that, the, the goat head with the horns, that's supposed to be the god Pan, right?

• 32:02Speaker 02

  Pan or Pam?

• 32:03Danny Jones?

  Pan.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Pam? Like two Ms?

• 32:05Danny Jones?

  Pan, like a frying pan.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Okay, alright.

• 32:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Pan, right? Pan, and Pan also plays the fiddle. Or he plays the lyre.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  What a creepy looking, ugh.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Oh, that one has titties.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. The goat of Mendez.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  The goat of Mendez?

• 32:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, Baphomet. It says Baphomet. I was wrong. The goat is Baphomet.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my-

• 32:28Danny Jones?

  But Bale, Bale, as Kurt Metzger would say, is the goat, is the, is the bull.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Oh, very similar, right?

• 32:39Danny Jones?

  Uh, a little bit.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  You had Hurricane Metzger roll through?

• 32:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, dude, he was here.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Enjoy that?

• 32:46Danny Jones?

  I enjoyed every minute of it, dude. He's, he, he has the most epic rants.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Oh, that's great. I have no idea what he's saying half the time, but it's fucking awesome.

• 32:53Danny Jones?

  I have no fucking clue. I just let him go.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  We just had our second.

• 32:55Danny Jones?

  I was trying to keep up.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  We was at our second fucking category five podcast with him. First of all.

• 33:01Danny Jones?

  How many white claws?

• 33:02Speaker 02

  He went through, there were three on camera, but he went through six and like two fat spliffs, smoked up the whole kitchen right before, cause you know, I don't have to, I don't have Danny Jones square footage at my place. So Dee and me just roll in there, we're high as fuck. I mean, he's, he's ripped as fuck too. So you're like a half a step behind the whole way too, which doesn't help. And then just for whatever it was, two and a half hours, just bam, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then he just hit you. Like, I don't know where these thoughts come from.

• 33:31Danny Jones?

  I don't know, I don't know how he fucking absorbs all this information. Where does he get it from? How does he get the time?

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Kurt's, that's a great question. That, you can say a lot of things about Kurt. You disagree with certain opinions he has for sure, but that's not a dude who's not looking into it at all times. He's fucking, he's lasered in. I mean, he's like an autistic kid in algebra.

• 33:56Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, it's insane, dude.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Now at Kroger, your points add up to more ways to save every trip. Use them your way to take dollars off groceries at checkout or save at the pump. You can even save up to thirty-five dollars on your next fill-up. Same points, more choices. And with low prices on fresh, quality food, plus digital and personalized offers tailored to how you shop, your dollar goes further. Redeem your points online or in the app. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Network freedom and flexibility, that's what you want in a healthcare plan. With a Humana Medicare Advantage PPO plan, you can see any doctor in the country who accepts Medicare, including specialists. No referrals, no kidding. Learn more at gethumana.com. See any doctor who accepts Medicare and is willing to bill Humana. Humana PPOs may not be available in all areas. Benefits and costs share may vary. Humana is a Medicare Advantage PPO organization with a Medicare contract. Enrollment in any Humana plan depends on contract renewal.

• 35:01Danny Jones?

  I didn't even realize either when he came in here that he used to be a Jehovah's Witness.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:06Danny Jones?

  Back in the day.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's what like Black Pilgrim or whatever he said.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  What the fuck is this shit?

• 35:13Danny Jones?

  That opened up his world.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's like, fuck these people, they're going door to door.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Well, the best was when he called, he had this one hit where he was talking about Les Wexner and he's like, Les Wexner was like the James Bond of Israel. The difference is James Bond actually said his name before he fucked ya. Les Wexner's like, roll back, baby, let's go Jeffrey, hop on and ride it. And I'm just like, oh my god, bro. Where is this clock at? Like, where is that from? It's just like there's zonks coming around all over the place.

• 35:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  But I was scrolling through because I needed B-roll for some separate thing for the Discovery Channel thing.

• 35:57Danny Jones?

  Oh yes, that was fucking hilarious.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  So Discovery Channel's executive producer for that show that did the episode on with Andy says, hey, can you just record these 30 to 35 seconds or whatever of just these basic lines? And it'll be like you're in your podcast, just in case we want to use like the voiceover or whatever. And then cut to that and roll it into part of what's in the episode. I'm like, alright, sure. So we had like two minutes to do it. So I'm like, alright, Deef, I'm gonna stick this in size 72 font. Just sit it where the guest is and like look here and like kind of do it line by line. So it's like four lines or something, which means there's four breaks where I'm like, alright, what's the next line now? Alright, let me get this right. So afterwards, I'm like, well, I gotta, I gotta find some guest that I'm putting the B-roll in on.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  So I went through, I'm like, well, I just had Kurt in. First of all, I go through the full timeline of Kurt. It's very hard to find a spot where he's not saying something. Like he's talking the entire time. If I'm talking, he's talking too. And then I find this one spot where he's got the glasses on, the pipe right here and he's just ripping a claw. And I just cut back and forth. The first one, I say like a really serious line. I'm like, the crazy thing about this Epstein case is that after all these years, we still don't know what happened outside the cell. And it just like cuts to Kurt like this and then like drinking a claw and putting it down. And then it keeps cutting back to him like with the, with the fucking pipe like this. And I'm like, they're never, I'm like, this is funny, but they're never gonna accept this.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  I send it over to the Discovery Channel guy right away. He's like, I love the white claw. That's great. And they fucking took it.

• 37:32Danny Jones?

  That's amazing.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  So I hope it makes the episode, but it was funny as fuck, man.

• 37:36Danny Jones?

  I love the way he drinks white claws. He drinks them so aggressive too. He's just like,

• 37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, no.

• 37:40Danny Jones?

  Fucking slamming them.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  He's fucking, he's pounding them for sure.

• 37:43Danny Jones?

  Oh my God. Um, I forgot about that thing you did with, uh, with Bustamante. So you guys did a, what was it? You tried, you tried to recreate, he recreated the whole jail cell that Epstein was in? And then you did like a-

• 37:57Speaker 02

  He did put out that picture now. So people have seen it. So there's some of this I can talk about now. Cause at first they're like, yo, wait till, we're right up at the episode, but there's some of it I can talk about.

• 38:06Danny Jones?

  And Andy, a guy who, the first time we talked to him with Jimmy D, was like, I don't even think he was doing blackmail.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:16Danny Jones?

  He wasn't even, he wasn't even in the room. Like, he wasn't even like approaching the walkway to all this shit that's come out, right? And now like, he's already fucking done a full tour and he's left the building.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  Yes. Which is making me think. Cause I'm like, wait a minute.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Are you trying to pin the entire thing on Mossad now on behalf of CIA? Is that what we're doing? We know Mossad's at fault, but like CIA's got some fault in this matter too. So I don't know, you know, cause like, I've always, I've always had, shared the opinion with you privately and publicly that like, of course I think Andy's still working with him, you know, a member of the team, if you will. So you gotta take certain things he says with an enormous fucking grain of salt, a boulder, if you will.

• 38:59Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, yeah, totally.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, you know, I was like, when he asked me to do this, cause he's doing this new show and they're doing a different episode on a different, totally different topic each time. He's like, I'm doing one on Epstein. I'm like, oh boy. I'm like, I'm gonna fly out to Colorado and do it. Like, what are we even gonna talk about? Cause I'm thinking he's gonna be like, well, we don't know he's a blackmailer. No. He's like, he's like, no, no, there's, there's some shit here. Just come out and do it with me. I was like, okay. So he's like, we have some other people doing the episode too. Like, it'll be fun. Fine, I'll do it. When I get out there, he hadn't told me what we're talking about as it relates to the case at all. So we go down into his, like, TV studio layer that they built.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  And for like an hour, we have this just general conversation where he's like kinda interviewing me about Epstein. It was actually like, pretty good, but they're gonna use like two minutes of it, cause it's TV. And at the end of it, he goes, alright, so, when I was looking at this case, I was trying to think what I was most interested in investigating. And I still just can't get over this guy's death. So, I'm thinking that's what we should really be looking into. And in my head, I'm going, really? Like, this is the most stereotypical part. Why are we looking at his death? And of course, I didn't think that-

• 40:19Danny Jones?

  And also a distraction from the real shit. In the big picture.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:24Danny Jones?

  Like, doesn't matter. It really doesn't fucking matter if he's dead or alive.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  That is what I was thinking.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  And then things, things took a turn after that. And I was, it was a little, like, I don't know how it's gonna come out, cause I'm still processing it, but I had to process it all that day live. And I was having, I mean, I called you, like halfway through, like, what the fuck? But, he's like, yeah, you know, we're gonna investigate his death. And just like you, I'm thinking like, alright, come on, I know he didn't kill himself, but like, what are we really doing here? And he goes, if you look to your right, you see that door with caution tape on it? And there's this giant, I hadn't even noticed this, there's a giant prison door behind me with the caution tape across, just like they had in the picture. The DOJ report, and he goes-

• 41:07Danny Jones?

  Pull up, pull up the pic, pull up the DOJ report of, uh, crime scene photos of Jeffrey Epstein in 2019.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  And then let's pull up at Everyday Spies Instagram, because he took pictures. This is why I can talk about this part a little bit.

• 41:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you can keep going, he'll, he'll take him a minute.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, so-

• 41:26Speaker 02

  I'm like, you rebuilt his cell and he goes bar for bar, word for word. I'm like, you said something like that. And I'm like, okay. So he's like, let's go in. So we go in and, bro, he had the pill bottles, like in the same spots.

• 41:41Danny Jones?

  No shit.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  He had the little books in the same spots. He had all the, all the orange, you know, torn, torn up sheets and shit in the same. It was creepy. And I'm not going to go through all of it now, because like, it's not out yet. And I'm not really supposed to like, go through the whole thing, but basically, it very quickly moved from, yeah, no shit, he didn't commit suicide. And Andy went into full mode and proved it with a dummy and everything. You'll see the work he did. And he was like, so into it as well. He was like, fucking throwing this dummy around and shit. Doing the physics of it. And then I was like, helping him with the physics, because I'm like, oh, he'd have to do this too. And we demonstrate that. And we're like, that's, yeah, a fucking fifty, sixty something year old guy is going to be able to do that for sure, right?

• 42:27Speaker 02

  But like a twenty year old LeBron James is gonna be able to do that.

• 42:30Danny Jones?

  Find the photo of the door with the caution tape.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:32Danny Jones?

  It was at the top, it was at the top, Steve.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  And so, yep, right there. So he had clicked that one. That's perfect. So basically, he had rebuilt this. So if we go to his Instagram now.

• 42:42Danny Jones?

  Go to Everyday Spy on Instagram.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  You'll see the, you'll see the inside of it, but

• 42:49Speaker 02

  he starts going through that. And then it very quickly moves from, once we ruled out suicide, to Andy very clearly trying to demonstrate that. He's demonstrating to me, and I didn't know if he was fucking with me at first. It is, go up, go up, go up. See it right there on, see, yep. So there he is in the cell with, that's, that's the whole production team that was doing it.

• 43:13Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  So they literally rebuilt it to scale. And there's a part of the episode that I'm not, that didn't involve me that I won't talk about. Where they were, let's just say he was able to verify.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  All this shit about what the cell looked like, not that he needed that, but it was pretty wild what he was able to bring in there to do that. But I started to realize quickly that he was trying to get to the, hey, is he dead?

• 43:45Danny Jones?

  He was.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Like as a legitimate question. And yeah, I mean, you and I, we've known Andy forever and we're like, come on, you know, this is Andy.

• 43:53Danny Jones?

  You're playing it up, buddy.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Andy, mister, don't ever, what's, what's the line? Don't ever leave up to conspiracy will can be complained by stupidity. Like, get the fuck out of here. You know what I'm thinking? Andy's trying to tell me this guy's alive.

• 44:06Danny Jones?

  Razor.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Right. Andy's trying to tell me this guy's alive. And then I don't know how long it was, but after a little while, I'm like, oh, he's serious. He's dead. Like unless there's gonna be like a giant, he fucks with me. Once we get out of here, which was possible. I'm like, he's dead serious. So I'll just say this, there's something in the cell. That is exactly what the cell was. That on the literal official schematic of the prison that was always there was not on it. And it's the only cell that was like that. So much so that in one of the reports.

• 44:44Danny Jones?

  Wait, what are you saying was not on it?

• 44:45Speaker 02

  There was a, there is a, you'll, you'll see it in the episode. I'm sorry to blue balls people, but it's like, I'm.

• 44:51Danny Jones?

  Come on, man. We wanna come.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  There is, I, I, I know. I understand that. I understand that. But you know, I gotta do my, my, uh, my little part I promised here. But like, there is a part of the cell that when you look at, if you're looking at like a construction layout of the prison that the official prison had.

• 45:09Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Prior to the day that Jeffrey Epstein died and may still have today. I don't know.

• 45:13Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  There's a part of the cell that is not on that schematic and it is the only cell that has something that is not on the schematic. And basically, it is a very useful part.

• 45:23Danny Jones?

  And you proved this?

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:25Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, completely. So much so.

• 45:28Danny Jones?

  An escape hatch, basically.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  That one of the, at least one, I can't remember off the top of my head, but at least one of the reports, cause he had, after we left the cell, he took me outside and, and went through every single government document that was written about this. He had them all on the table in binders and we were just ripping through them off camera and then on camera. And I was like, holy shit. And I think it was on the FBI one, they literally had a picture of a different cell. It was not his cell, provably.

• 45:52Danny Jones?

  I know, I remember, because I remember, if you remember this photo, the original photo they took of the front of the cell when the story first dropped. It was not, and then the FBI dropped the footage from the little corridor of the other cell. That wasn't his fucking cell. His cell was down the stairs and around the fucking corner. And the FBI literally released the tape saying that was his cell. Here's the fucking 24 hour footage of it. I mean, if that, what do you, like?

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Basically?

• 46:21Danny Jones?

  It's insane. It's insane the amount of lies.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Andy, the lies are insane, of course. And Andy, you know, he's-

• 46:28Danny Jones?

  Now, get a screen grab of the footage the FBI released of the front of his cell. And look how different it looks.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  I'm saying, I even saw stuff inside where Andy proved that the foundation was all different and it wasn't his cell.

• 46:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  It was even worse than that. It wasn't just the outside.

• 46:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  So, I started to, I'm like, oh my God, he's, he's dead serious. And he's, he basically started very matter-of-factly, very matter-of-factly, explaining exactly how to get him out of this prison. And how, like, I, I think he used the word, how easy it is.

• 47:11Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  And how it doesn't require many people. And so, he, when we went out and talked about it, I was having like a, what the fuck? Like, I was literally, we, it had gone from me being, you know, jumpy and having a good time, whatever, to like, what the fuck? Like-

• 47:29Danny Jones?

  You were speechless.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  And he's like, so I brought you here to see if I'm crazy. And I'm like, Andy, in this moment, as I'm just digesting all this, maybe later, I'm gonna laugh at this and be like, how did I miss this? Or how did I, how did I miss that? But like, in this moment, no, I don't think you're crazy. And I think this guy might, I, I, I think, I think he's a liar.

• 47:49Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  You know? We know there was all kinds of fake images of him online and people want Palm Beach Pete be him.

• 47:55Danny Jones?

  I love Palm Beach Pete, bro. I love, you see who was on the Colbert Show?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Was he really?

• 48:00Danny Jones?

  I fucking can't believe it, dude. He, he is a superstar, overnight superstar. Could you imagine?

• 48:05Speaker 02

  He's loving it.

• 48:06Danny Jones?

  Find the, find the Palm Beach Pete on the Colbert Show.

• 48:11Danny Jones?

  I hope it's real.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  He wouldn't have given him a like.

• 48:14Danny Jones?

  There you go.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  You know, cuz Jeffrey was meeting with, he met with a face transplant surgeon like the year before he got arrested. Like, if, if you're in that level and you go to get a new face, you're getting a new face, you're not getting like a Build-A-Bear, you know, knockoff face of your own face.

• 48:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  And that's what fucking Palm Beach Pete is.

• 48:33Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  He's a poor man's Jeffrey Epstein.

• 48:35Danny Jones?

  Maybe it wasn't Colbert, maybe it wasn't, maybe it was, it was on our late night show, just having Palm Beach Pete late night show or something, or like interview, interview maybe.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  He was definitely on TMZ, I saw that. And he was on some fucking podcast.

• 48:51Danny Jones?

  This was like a, like a, my wife saw it, was showing me a TikTok and it was like of him on one of the, like, the, the television late night shows.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  I'll get that shot over there.

• 49:02Danny Jones?

  Hey guys, it's Palm Beach Pete, coming to you live from Palm Beach.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's really trying to ride this thing out.

• 49:08Danny Jones?

  I'm not Jeffrey Epstein. You see the one even in front of the private jet too?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:14Danny Jones?

  There was one of him, I don't know if it was, that's a problem, I don't know how much.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, and they were saying it looks like the same as the front of the Lolita.

• 49:19Danny Jones?

  Looks like the same as the Lolita, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Oh man, it's a little club and you ain't fucking in it.

• 49:28Danny Jones?

  But a lot, so that's the thing that, that, another thing that Kurt was saying to me, he's like, dude, I've been to a lot of places, I see a lot of people, there's not much of, as many, as much of a variation in people that you, as you think. He's like, there's a lot of people that look very, very fucking similar. And Palm Beach Pete and Epstein were obviously, uh.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Well, he knew him.

• 49:48Danny Jones?

  Oh, there you go, Jimmy Kimmel, there you go.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Did you see that? He knew him.

• 49:51Danny Jones?

  Who knew, he knew Epstein?

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:53Danny Jones?

  Shut up.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, he admitted it to TMZ.

• 49:55Danny Jones?

  No.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Yes, he's like, yeah, I was at a few parties with him once, I didn't really know the guy.

• 49:59Danny Jones?

  Who shut the fuck up?

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yes, he did, I swear to God.

• 50:01Danny Jones?

  Play, give it volume.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  Do people actually mistake you for him?

• 50:05Speaker 06

  They give me the double look, but now.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  The double look.

• 50:08Speaker 06

  It's gone viral, Jimmy. It's nonstop, they wanna take pictures of me, my autograph, but I'm Palm Beach Pete. I'm not Epstein, I'm just Palm Beach Pete, living my life.

• 50:19Danny Jones?

  Is he on Cameo yet?

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 50:24Danny Jones?

  Is he on Cameo yet? He's gotta be on Cameo. He's gotta be banking off Cameo right now.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  I don't know if you can find it, but like Palm Beach Pete knew Epstein. He like talked about it.

• 50:35Danny Jones?

  Had he met him?

• 50:35Speaker 02

  I think it was with TMZ where he's like, "Yeah, I was at a few parties in New York or maybe Palm Beach or something. You know, I'd seen the guy on the couch. I didn't really know him."

• 50:43Danny Jones?

  Look at him. We gotta get, we gotta buy a Cameo off him.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like, maybe, maybe Pete, you don't admit that one out loud. Maybe that's one you keep off the camera or off the interview. Nobody needed to know that.

• 50:55Danny Jones?

  God.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  You wanna, you wanna what?

• 50:56Speaker 02

  He's got a Cameo. You wanna order one?

• 50:58Danny Jones?

  I wanna watch one of them. Play, play one of his Cameos.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  You wanna watch one of them?

• 51:01Danny Jones?

  I wanna watch one of them. I wanna see like what, I wanna get one. I'm definitely gonna order one.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, you should order one.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  How about this anniversary?

• 51:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, let's watch the anniversary one.

• 51:08Speaker 06

  Hey everybody, it's Palm Beach Pete and I'm rushing to greet, greeting to Max and Dylan. Those parties were great. I want you to enjoy your life to the utmost. Palm Beach Pete smiles and enjoys his life, so I want you to enjoy your life too.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Always talking in third person.

• 51:23Speaker 06

  And everything will come to you. Just keep on doing what you do.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  Now shut the fuck up and pay me.

• 51:27Speaker 06

  Hey Otis GD, it's Palm Beach Pete calling back from Florida. Happy, happy birthday. I want all his followers to get him up to a really great number, so continue to follow us OG. Otis GD, Otis GD, continue what you're doing. Be a good person. Enjoy your birthday.

• 51:45Danny Jones?

  We're fucked.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Alright, we get it.

• 51:47Danny Jones?

  Humanity's fucked.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Oh man. Nothing like a John Kiriakou Cameo though.

• 51:53Danny Jones?

  Overnight stardom for looking like an international.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  File.

• 51:57Danny Jones?

  File.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I would be a little, a lot of less excited than Palm Beach Pete.

• 52:04Danny Jones?

  File, but a, a literal, somebody who, who sacrificed his children.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you know, I, like, look at the shit eating gra, he's like Christoph Waltz in fucking Inglourious Basterds. He's like, "Ooh, that's a bingo."

• 52:19Danny Jones?

  He also has the similar voice.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  It's

• 52:23Danny Jones?

  Very similar, but a little bit higher pitched, yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:27Danny Jones?

  They got the same Florida tan.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:29Danny Jones?

  It's so fucking crazy, man.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would go away. I would, I'd be, I, and he's apparently really rich. I would.

• 52:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right. What do you need the money for?

• 52:38Speaker 02

  I might even like sue the guy who took the video of me, just, just to like outspend his lawyers, just to be like, don't you ever fucking do that to me again? That's, is that what you do with fuck you money?

• 52:49Danny Jones?

  Oh my god.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Like, isn't that what you do? You just buy lawyers and create hearings and shit?

• 52:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you just create fake fucking suit, you sue people off bullshit just to scare the shit out of them and just to shut them the fuck up.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, look at how excited he is.

• 53:02Danny Jones?

  Wife does.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Look at him.

• 53:04Danny Jones?

  I know.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Look at, oh, that's a bingo.

• 53:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Jared, John Karyaku is the number one person on fucking Cameo right now, dude.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 53:15Danny Jones?

  It's incredible. Like, the world just keeps coming to John Karyaku. He does nothing.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  It's overdue.

• 53:22Danny Jones?

  He just continues to be himself and the world just hands itself over to him and, and it's incredible to see.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  He's blissfully happy in his own little world and it needs to remain that way.

• 53:34Danny Jones?

  Can you believe this?

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Danny, I don't know how this happened. I don't know.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  It just happened. Let me give you an example.

• 53:46Danny Jones?

  Let me give you an example.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  I'm on Cameo the other day. Do you know this app, Danny? It's a great app. I met the CEO, great guy. Someone calls me up and they're like, wish my wife a happy anniversary. Here's $400.

• 54:00Danny Jones?

  Danny, look at this. I have 85 plus Cameo requests right now. I'm going back to my hotel. I'm gonna be up till three in the clock in the morning.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  And you didn't tell him?

• 54:09Danny Jones?

  Recording cameos.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  You didn't tell him he was staying at the same hotel? I would have fucking recorded a fucking cameo for him. Holy shit, man. We just missed each other with you and then with Matt, like back to back. He was right there.

• 54:21Danny Jones?

  God. But, oh yeah, then he went on Matt's show, yeah, yeah.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  The best, the best edit of all of them was the one from Diary of a CEO where, where he's like, so she accepts lunch and then I go in and I'm like, oh my God, she accepts lunch. And my boss is like, oh, listen, I want you to fuck her. He's like, have you seen her? I can't do that. He's like, I know, I know. But we're the good guys. So, alright, I'll do it. It's like, dude, and where he like, what's, what's the, one of the comments on black Twitter that went really, really viral? Cause black Twitter loves John. I was trying to explain black Twitter to John. It was going in one ear, out the other, but like, just know they love you. And if you roll up in the hood, you don't have to stand on business, you're good.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  Like, you're good on either side of the equation, for sure. But they were like, this motherfucker, John, ain't never told a joke in his life, he the funniest dude online. Like, he just says things, like, in that same clip, he's like, this woman was the ugliest woman I've ever seen. Like, and then, and then he goes like, and you can see, like, his brain is picturing it from his life. And he's like, it was as if you reached up onto the side of Notre Dame and pulled down a gargoyle.

• 55:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  What the fuck? Or no, he goes, it's like she came straight off the side of Notre Dame. And then he explained what a gargoyle was. And I'm like, that's cinema.

• 55:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  Like, I could sit, Deef and I could sit in a room trying to write a script all day for some fucking movie, and we would not come up with a visual that perfect.

• 55:56Danny Jones?

  No.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  And he, it's just, comes right to him.

• 56:00Danny Jones?

  He's gifted, man.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  He's gifted.

• 56:01Danny Jones?

  I'm glad he left the CIA.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  I'm glad he did. I'm not, I'm sad about the circumstances for him of how it went down.

• 56:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully he gets his pardon soon.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  You know, if you want some good PR, Trump,

• 56:16Speaker 02

  that's an easy W.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  I mean, people like him, so. I mean, you know, they're pardoning fucking fraudsters.

• 56:26Danny Jones?

  Did you see the guy they pardoned the other day? We talked about it with John, it was the guy who had a, he, this guy had a fucking nursing home. And he had people suing him because their fucking grandmas were dying because he was giving them the wrong medications or feeding them the type of like foods when they shouldn't be eating foods and shit. And like, there was at least probably a half dozen lawsuits uh, from families suing this guy because he killed their fucking grandparents. And. It was some sort of class action lawsuit. That dude was in prison. Trump just fucking pardoned him. Pardoned him. For whatever reason. This guy. One inmate paid lobbyists and lawyers with ties to President Trump's team and walked free. Others are following his blueprint, but it's not always clear who can deliver.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  And this guy's getting a pardon, but John's not.

• 57:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the guy's getting a fucking pardon, bro.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  Just a hundred grand, man.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  And and the guy who illegally, by the way, pushed for John's illegal prosecution is Trump's arch enemy. That's what I don't understand. John Brennan's the guy who made the whole thing happen. There's no one on this earth that Donald Trump hate. Donald Trump like-

• 57:32Danny Jones?

  Wait, John Brennan did what?

• 57:34Speaker 02

  He's the guy who sent John to prison, effectively.

• 57:36Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Yes. The FBI investigated John for a year after they tried to make him the fall guy and he went to and that other thing happened that we can't talk about.

• 57:46Danny Jones?

  They were trying to set him up and the fake recruitment and all that?

• 57:49Speaker 02

  The whole bit. And then they like, God, if people knew like that actual backstory, that I wish I could talk about that, but I can't. I can't. So, anyway. So he goes and he defends the same people that he was shredding behind the scenes like a good loyal guy, which, you know, I'm sure he regrets doing that, but like that all happened and then the FBI came and investigated him for a full year and they literally apologized to him and he hates the FBI and they hate him. Like, he always talks about that. He's been talking about that since the very first podcast he did with you. Like, he never got along with those guys. But at the end of the year, this is like oh eight, they come to him and and they sent him an official letter and they say, hey, there's nothing there.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Sorry for the inconvenience and everything, you know, I hope you understand we're just doing our job, but we're not filing charges. Okay, great. And then he ends up working for John Kerry is the fucking, you know, in chief investigator for the foreign for the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee. And then he finds all the poppy fields in Afghanistan. They're like, no, not that kind of investigation. No, no, no, not like that. No, no, no, no, get back here. And then there's a bunch of emails of John Brennan. Hitting up Fast and Furious Holder, pun intended, about like you need to make a case against John Kiriakou and Eric Holder is literally telling John Brennan like we already looked at that, there's no case and then John's like, find one.

• 59:12Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  And they hated each other back there.

• 59:15Danny Jones?

  That's fucked.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  And so that's why I don't, that's why I really don't understand why Trump hasn't pardoned Kiriakou because like-

• 59:22Danny Jones?

  Cause Trump don't like Brennan?

• 59:24Speaker 02

  Oh, he, he fucking hates Brennan, bro.

• 59:27Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, where do I begin? Brennan was like the chief architect of Russiagate, let's start with that.

• 59:33Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Brennan's also just a liar, I mean, you know, he's a professional liar, but like, a liar to the extent that like-

• 59:41Danny Jones?

  He's a fake person. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a fake person.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  He's literally a cutout of a person. And I remember there was a documentary on Showtime that dropped in 2015, it was like around Christmas time, so right when Trump's like becoming all like, well, maybe he's actually candidate, they dropped this documentary called like CIA Spy Masters and the Crosshairs and it's every living former director or acting director of CIA being interviewed and then, you know, like guys like Jose Rodriguez.

• 1:00:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember this.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  And so John Brennan at the time was the active CIA head and it gets this dramatic part where they're asking every single former head and, and John Brennan is the current head separately about whether or not the United States should do torture and John Brennan gives this response like, I just, I feel like we, we live in a country where we need to be above that and we, we shouldn't, we should not engage in torture. He's the fucking guy who wrote the memos, how to fucking create it!

• 1:00:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Saying that unironically and it's like when you see things like that and then when, when the average American sees something like that, they're going about their day and then they find out about this John Brennan guy because they're looking into it a little bit and they go, you know, the whole thing needs to burn down, I get it. I, I'm, I'm like, hey, I mean, fuck, man. The stench is at the top.

• 1:01:11Danny Jones?

  I mean, like-

• 1:01:14Danny Jones?

  Just tell the truth about the torture shit. It's not even half bad compared to all the other shit we know about now.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  As crazy as that is, you're a hundred percent right.

• 1:01:23Danny Jones?

  Like, say, tell the public, "Look, we're gonna torture people who we think are terrorists." What's the big fucking deal? Like, there's a lot-

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  It's not MKUltra.

• 1:01:32Danny Jones?

  There's a lot, it's not MKUltra. It's not blowing the president's brains out.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Danny Jones?

  It's not a fucking international arms trafficking ring.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right. On, on the list of priorities, it's like, it's like the line, "You make that deal, I make that deal."

• 1:01:51Danny Jones?

  I make that deal.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  I make that deal.

• 1:01:52Danny Jones?

  It's a damn good deal.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  We'll give the people that one. Like, "Yeah, we brought out a bucket with some water a few times. What are you gonna do?"

• 1:02:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  They could, they could've just, "What are you gonna do to America?" And it would've been over three weeks later. People wouldn't have cared that much.

• 1:02:11Danny Jones?

  How crazy is it that they literally hired psychologists to come up with that torture program? And one of the dudes lives right down the street from here.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, eighty to the tune of eighty-two million dollars.

• 1:02:21Danny Jones?

  Eighty-two, yeah, the guy lives in a fucking mansion on a lake.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  What's his name? James?

• 1:02:24Danny Jones?

  Mitchell.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  James Mitchell.

• 1:02:26Danny Jones?

  I think that's his last name.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's a great video of him on Vice where he's in a canoe.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  It's like out fishing, he's like-

• 1:02:35Danny Jones?

  He's like, "I'll do your interview, but you're gonna do it on my canoe."

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Tommy G would've done that.

• 1:02:41Danny Jones?

  Surrounded by gators.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Tommy G would a hundred percent done that.

• 1:02:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:02:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, he don't give a fuck, bro. He'll put the, an alligator in a fucking rear naked choke.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, he wouldn't have shot it like clavicular either.

• 1:02:54Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I would like to, I would like to give that guy some truth serum. That guy Mitchell. And get to the bottom of-

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  I would too.

• 1:03:03Danny Jones?

  Get to the bottom of it.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  I would wanna know, beyond just like him being hired as a contractor, I forget his partner's name, but like the two of them being hired.

• 1:03:12Danny Jones?

  The other guy was the Mexican dude who lived in North Florida. Not Mexican, he was like a Hispanic dude. What's his name?

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  You're not talking about Jose Rodriguez?

• 1:03:18Danny Jones?

  Maybe I'm talking about him, yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  He was the guy at CIA. I'm talking about the two consultants. It was Mitchell and, not Mitchell and Ness, like the hat company, but-

• 1:03:26Danny Jones?

  Find out who it was. Who were the two, who were the two consultants who came up with the enhanced interrogation program?

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so-

• 1:03:32Danny Jones?

  Psychologists.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  I would wanna know, not just like, "Oh, everything they got wrong and why that was all bullshit." I'd wanna know that. But I'd wanna know, once they got in there and were in some of these rooms, and then someone like actually powerful, not some bullshit consultant like them, turned to them and said,

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  "You like your head? Yeah, you ain't saying shit, pal."

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  Bruce Janson.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Bruce Janson, that's it.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  Jessen, Bruce Jessen.

• 1:03:57Danny Jones?

  Jessen.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  Jessen, Mitchell and Jessen.

• 1:03:59Danny Jones?

  Mitchell and Jessen.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:00Danny Jones?

  That's a great name for a law firm.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  It is, it is, you know? But, there's, but that's the thing, like on my list of like things I would wanna know is like a fly on the wall, that's actually pretty low on the list.

• 1:04:13Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  For CIA. Like, there's a lot of things.

• 1:04:16Danny Jones?

  Super fucking low.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  It's very low on the list. There's a lot of things I would want to be the fly on the wall. I mean, I would've loved to just be the fly that like sat on the back of Sidney Gottlieb's suit without him knowing it for like ten years. And just like live there, didn't bite him, you know, was just like, "I'm just gonna park it right here, you don't know I'm here, I'm just watching what you're doing, fam." You know, what was he doing? He, a lot, a lot.

• 1:04:41Danny Jones?

  What about, not, forget Sidney Gottlieb, what about, um, Jolly West?

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, well, I mean, that's-

• 1:04:48Danny Jones?

  He was fucking everywhere.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  That's like Mario and Luigi, bro.

• 1:04:51Danny Jones?

  He's, well, but, but, um, Jolly West wasn't just a part of MK, like the, Jolly West was kinda like more at like the tip of the spear, or not Jolly West, but Sidney Gottlieb, but Jolly West was literally the guy who was like in Jack Ruby's cell.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:05:06Danny Jones?

  He was fucking at the clinic where Charles Manson was going.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:05:10Danny Jones?

  Also, on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey. The dude, he's like, uh, he's like fucking Forrest Gump. Of CIA mind control.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, hundred percent, hundred percent.

• 1:05:23Danny Jones?

  Look at that. There he is, behind Stanley Kubrick, and who's the other guy again?

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  Uh, not-

• 1:05:31Danny Jones?

  Stanley Kubrick and, um-

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Who's the Kevin Costner looking motherfucker?

• 1:05:36Danny Jones?

  I don't know, I don't know, yeah, I don't know who that guy is.

• 1:05:41Danny Jones?

  The Jolly West dude, that guy was.

• 1:05:44Danny Jones?

  He was an evil motherfucker. You know, both of his children and his wife committed suicide.

• 1:05:50Danny Jones?

  What does that say about that dude?

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Um, you know.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  The tragedy of. Lineage in awful decisions is a tale as old as time. I don't know the details of that. I don't even think I was aware of that for that one, but. You know. That's I, I think about that a lot, cause like.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  You know, not that we're ever dealing with shit like this, but.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  In life, you're gonna make good choices and bad choices and you just try not to make the bad choices on purpose. And you try to make a lot more good choices to bad choices, but like the things you do. Effect, especially the people who come after you as well, if, if they're really huge mistakes. You know, and that's to me, when I look at the story of all these guys, you know, launch OSS and. CIA and created. This apparatus.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  I don't think those guys ever thought about that. I think they were so hardcore and actually believing through their power that they were the good guys. That no matter what they did, it was somehow holier than thou and that there's no one that that comes through clearer on than. The Dulles brothers and then in particularly Alan Dulles who ended up running CIA, but like, you know, those guys go back to. Fucking literally the Treaty of Versailles. You think about all the things that those two fucking poison ivy shrouds touched. It, it starts there, probably earlier, but like it just for sake of argument here, starts at the Treaty of Versailles.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  And ends effectively covering up the Kennedy assassination after they did it. And it's like.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  You wonder if there was ever a moment where a guy like Alan Dulles looked in his fucking vanity mirror in his Georgetown fucking townhouse and was like, fuck, I'm the bad guy. I don't think that moment ever happened. We'll never know, but I don't think it ever happened. I think he legitimately thought he was the good guy.

• 1:07:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what happens when you get surrounded by people that never fucking challenge you and you don't have, honestly, like a good spouse, like a good wife or a good husband, if you're a woman, to to balance you out, because that's what you need to be humble and wise and not turn into a complete sociopath asshole.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  I couldn't agree with that more. Behind every great man, there's a there's a greater woman. That's like one of the truest things ever.

• 1:08:34Danny Jones?

  And that's one of the that that's, you know, when you see people like that fucking Jolly West guy or any of those other people, they they might be married, but their families are completely disconnected from them. They never fucking see them. And, you know, in his case, the wife and the kids end up fucking killing themselves.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Danny Jones?

  Like, you're just completely abandoning these people. And I'm sure that has some sort of a of negative feedback loop with him, which makes him super depressed, makes him super angry, maybe makes him hate himself. And, you know, on the other hand, this guy's out doing his thing, making money, literally surrounded by people who are probably just, you know, telling him everything he's doing is great, and he lives in this fucking delusion. And he has no one to balance him out or tell him he's crazy or keep him humble like that. I think that's probably I think that's probably like the bane of human existence. And that's what makes people go down those dark spirals where they turn into fucking monsters like that.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Completely agree. And that's why, you know.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  When you're living, we're, we're always living through history where it's been created every day. You would like to think that you learn from the past and you spot the same patterns right there when you see them.

• 1:09:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  And it's on a whole nother level if you are those people where you're in these positions of power and you would like to think you'd be able to spot it in yourself for the people around you. And the fact of the matter is when you look throughout human existence. Yeah, the circumstances change, the technology changes, the who's against who changes and all that, but the human nature never changes. And the human nature says that people are, will, you will get people in positions of power who go down.

• 1:10:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  That spiral and that's what it is. And I've talked about this before. It's like one of the weird. I don't know. What's the word I'm looking for? It's, it's one of the weird paradoxes of life. But like, when you look throughout human history, this is why I'm an optimist. Things get progressively better. Good wins out. It does. Things are objectively, we're in a wild moment right now. I'm not saying sometimes we don't take a little step back to take three steps forward, you know? One small leap for mankind or whatever the fuck they said on that set, you know? But either way, like overall, it goes up.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Quality of life goes up around the world. Yes, we, and when we have access to more information, we see more suffering than we ever did. So we think that that's the, the total rule rather than, you know, a smaller part of the rule than it was.

• 1:11:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we have more access to shit now.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  And that is what it is. But like, the wild thing is that also throughout human history. In the short term, in the short term, evil can beat good. It's this weird thing. And I, I, I've talked about this with you.

• 1:11:36Danny Jones?

  Evil can beat good?

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  In the short term.

• 1:11:38Danny Jones?

  Isn't that what Netanyahu just said?

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  And that, that was what was so funny because the way he put it was like disgraceful and he tried to like invoke Jesus, like it's just fucking scumbag city. But the point, I, I don't know what his full point was there or what he was getting at, like over the long term or whatever. But what I'm saying is I've talked with you on the phone about this for years. It's like, if I put a hundred people in a room. And 99 of them are good and one of them is evil who's willing to act surreptitiously through evil. In the short term, the evil could win.

• 1:12:15Speaker 00

  Now at Kroger, your points add up to more ways to save every trip. Use them your way to take dollars off groceries at checkout or save at the pump. You can even save up to $35 on your next fill-up. Same points, more choices. And with low prices on fresh, quality food, plus digital and personalized offers tailored to how you shop, your dollar goes further. Redeem your points online or in the app. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Restrictions apply. See site or store for details.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  At Humana, our Medicare Advantage plans are easy to understand and easy on your wallet, like offering more benefits than you'd get from original Medicare alone, and including dental, vision, and hearing coverage in every plan. And the best part is, every plan has a $0 or low monthly plan premium, which makes it easier to save, too. So this Medicare planning season, plan well with Humana. Learn more at gethumana.com. Humana is a Medicare Advantage, HMO, and PPO organization with a Medicare contract. Enrollment in any Humana plan depends on contract renewal.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Right? Like, think about, think about the Dark Knight experiment where the two boats don't blow each other up. Where good wins because no one hits the bomb. All you needed was one person in there to hit the bomb. And if I ran a simulation of that same exact moment 100 times, nine times out of 10, one asshole's gonna fucking hit the bomb.

• 1:13:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  And in the short term, kaboom, everyone blows up.

• 1:13:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  And it's evil. However, on the contrary, if I have 99 evil people in a room and one good person in the room, that good person really has no chance. I mean, they fucking killed Jesus, bro. I mean, it's like, you know, you, in the short term, you don't have a chance. The beautiful thing about life, though, and this is why I think this is a happy ending, is that when you look at things as they develop over time, removing yourself from the 100 person in one room making one decision experiment, the good wins out. It does, overall. It doesn't mean that we don't still have genocides happening in the world and things like that that are objectively like the worst thing ever. It doesn't mean we don't have things like fucking, I don't know, arms dealing sex traffickers working for multiple governments and selling kids around the world and getting away with it

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  while everyone laughs and creates a fucking war in Iran to distract from the problem. It doesn't mean that that shit doesn't happen.

• 1:14:24Danny Jones?

  I love that you're doing a solo right now.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  But like, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, Danny Jones, over the long term...

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  Humanity finds a way to get better and better. And that's why I tried, like even as we're covering, like there's two stories this year that are fucking insane and they're not positive in any way, shape or form, unless you're the CEO of Hermes. But other than that, like literally, if you know, you know.

• 1:14:47Danny Jones?

  Or Palm Beach Pete.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  But or I don't know how positive that is. But like, when I'm looking at this, you have Epstein in Iran and they are negative to the core. People dying, people get raped, things getting covered up, economy crashing and people losing their jobs around the world, you know, chaos, etc. But like, we can be at a point where very bad things may come out of this in the short term and sure as shit, they already are. But 10, 20 years from now, we can improve from this. And then we'll have a new problem, but that problem would be a little lesser.

• 1:15:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:15:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  And I think that's the beautiful thing about life. And that's how I try to look at it, even when I'm covering these stories. And like we, Deeve and I have been covering it in the third episode every week with the solo episodes and all that. And like, you know, you still gotta, you have to know when to be very, very serious about parts of it for sure, because life is not all one big joke, even when you want it to be. But like, you have to have fun with the chaos as well. Because that's how we, that's how we talk our way through it. That's how we deal with it when fucking no one's going to jail over things like Epstein. They just fucking get away with it, right? You deal with it through dark, divine comedy, if you will. And I'd like to think that there will be some lessons

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  learned from this. And I do think, I, I, I think the average American needs a lot more credit now than, you know, we would have gotten five, six, seven, eight, 10 years ago, as to like, there are more people who are aware that like, some shit is fucked. You know? And there's a lot of people who are aware of that because they've taken the time to be aware of that. And they maybe don't even really have that time to look into that because they got bills to pay, families to take care of and stuff, but they're still getting somewhat informed. What you were talking about early on, either before we started or right when we got on air, you know, I don't know when the cameras start rolling, but like,

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  I think when you take that way too far and it becomes the whole meaning of your life and your whole life is doom and gloom, everything's fucked, Elmo fire me, well, that's a problem. You can't be like that.

• 1:16:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and things are becoming more exposed now. It's harder, it's harder to keep secrets now. Secrets come out easier. There's way more people out there, there's way more access to information and secrets don't inherently encourage good behavior.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:17:06Danny Jones?

  Secrets, I think, enable bad behavior. So that just goes to your point that if people are, it's harder for these, the government or whoever.

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:16Danny Jones?

  And companies, people like, you know, these billionaires that are running around with impunity can't keep secrets. Then they have to sort of fucking, they have to act better. They have to be on their best behavior because they're not going to be able to get away with shit anymore. And that's, that does give me optimism about all this shit.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Danny Jones?

  But.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  I do think the other side of it though, like Joe Rogan talks about this a lot, been talking about this for years. You think no one can keep a secret, but it is possible for larger groups than you think to keep secrets. And even today, where you're right, you can shine a light on the darkness more than you could in the past and it's harder to keep a secret. That doesn't mean that there aren't things that, you know, a hundred people keep a lid on.

• 1:18:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:18:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  And that's what's wild. And I hate them for it, but I also like, damn. Respect the

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  the discipline? I don't know. But it's like,

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  you got these things floating around all day. They're fucking recording everything we say.

• 1:18:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  Imagine those guys like.

• 1:18:23Danny Jones?

  Hello to our friends.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Shabbat shalom.

• 1:18:27Danny Jones?

  Shabbat shalom.

• 1:18:32Danny Jones?

  Who was it we had in here the other day who was telling, oh, it was Glenn Greenwald. He was, he was saying, I would rather be an enemy of the CIA than an enemy of the Mossad.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Danny Jones. Oh, man, he did, but, bro, he was kinda saying what we were talking about a few weeks ago.

• 1:18:52Danny Jones?

  What was him?

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  I told you, I'm like, dude, I, I, I think I texted you and Deef this, like, four weeks ago, and then Glenn, who's actually like, no shit, was talking about this.

• 1:19:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  But I was like, just objectively speaking, non-political statement here, the next president of the United States, if he runs, and if they don't kill him, and in the words of Lieutenant out of rain, and those are two big ifs. It'll be Tucker Carlson.

• 1:19:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  Because he's got the three things you need. He can run to the left of the neocons, to the right of woke, and he's got celebrity charisma.

• 1:19:24Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  I mean, that's the, that's the holy trinity of politics.

• 1:19:28Danny Jones?

  He's got fucking moxie, bro.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, and again, if he runs, huge if, and if they don't kill him, another big if. But, yeah, and it sounded like Glenn was saying he's privately like, ah, come on.

• 1:19:40Danny Jones?

  He's privately saying no, he just laughs at it.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:43Danny Jones?

  Which I hope is true. I hope that.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 1:19:45Danny Jones?

  I, I, it's a paradox. It's a paradox because you, the type of person that wants to run for president is not the type of person that you can really trust.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  Here's the thing about Tucker Carlson, man. He's got some very different politics from me, but he's a, he's a brilliant guy who will tell you what the fuck he thinks, regardless of how it sounds to you, regardless of whether you're gonna agree with it or not. You know where he stands on things, and I, I think there's a level of genuine nature that comes through on that, and he's willing, maybe sometimes he goes too far with things because he gets a little pissed off and he talks about that, like, you know, sometimes his emotions get the best of him, but like, he's willing to go ask questions that other people are afraid to ask questions on.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  And that's getting the respect of people across the spectrum. I mean, I, I saw, he did a podcast with Alex Gibney the other day.

• 1:20:39Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:20:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Alex, could you imagine?

• 1:20:43Danny Jones?

  Alex Gibney did the BB files.

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  Yes, could you imagine Alex Gibney going on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox five years ago?

• 1:20:49Danny Jones?

  So goddamn left.

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  He's very left, but like, there is some common ground on things.

• 1:20:55Danny Jones?

  That's wild.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  And, and that is. That is fascinating. So just, cause like, I don't know, that's one-

• 1:21:03Danny Jones?

  You don't have to change your politics to go from left to right. You can stay perfectly in the same, the same, you can stay exactly where you are on all your points that you believe in, and the whole system will do a 180.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  And it's doing it again. And, and, and, but that, that's the only, dude, all I ever think in life is like, you just don't, oh, you made an assumption on that? You fucking retard. Like, don't assume anything. Assume you're just wrong about all of it. The only thing that I can think of in my life, that I've felt some zen on in the last nine years that has not shifted in any way, shape or form, is when I figured out that like, it's all a sham, politically speaking. Like, the left and right, it's a joke. It doesn't really, even without me knowing about the supra-government idea and all the details of the Epstein files, nine years ago, I didn't know shit about that. But like, now it really makes sense. But I was just like, these aren't, this is not real. It's all an act. It's all a uniparty.

• 1:21:57Speaker 02

  They get dinner at the same steak houses in fucking DC. It's an inside job. It's bread and circus for the masses to fight over that things don't matter. And then, and this wasn't around in 2016, 2017, but one of the most common stories I tell on my podcast, I've probably told it, I don't know, 45 to 50 times over the years, is about one of your podcasts during the height of the pandemic with Stephen Kinzer. Cause Stephen Kinzer basically explained it through a personal anecdote story so perfectly. So I'll repeat it now. But he was talking about when he was like the bureau chief for South America in the early 1980s and Carter had left the presidency. He knew Carter from being

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  a journalist when Carter was in office. He was maybe a year out of office and he found out Carter was going to be coming down to where he was in South America. So he reached out to his team and said, I'd love to get a beer or whatever. Carter meets up with him. They, they're having a drink. And, you know, he's like, well, it's, it's been long enough since he left office. Maybe I can answer him some questions about what it was like. So he starts asking him what it was like to be president and all that. And Carter's like, oh my God, dude, it's fucking insane. Like, and you just get in there and they're like, here you go, keys to the kingdom. And now Kinzer's explaining that he's feeling a little confident. He's like, okay. See how he approached this thing. He goes, what'd you do? What was like the first thing you did when you got in there?

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  And Carter's like, I called every living president that still existed and I met with them individually. And Kinzer asked him, even Nixon? He goes, even Nixon. And so Kinzer's like, all right, fuck it. Who gave the best advice? And Carter gave a big shit eating grin and he goes, Nixon. And Kinzer goes, why? And he goes, because Nixon didn't bullshit me. And I'm paraphrasing here, go listen to the episode from back in the days of concrete. But, you know, he, he didn't bullshit me. He came in and he was like, listen, all of the Congress is bullshit. The domestic politics, you can't do anything.

• 1:23:59Danny Jones?

  It's all controlled by the Jews.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  That's not what he said.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  But he's like, they're gonna fight 5% for healthcare or some bullshit this way, that way. You can't really move anything there. There's nothing that you can really do. But the foreign policy, now that's where you got the power.

• 1:24:21Danny Jones?

  That's where we can have some fun, boys.

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  That's where, and what he was saying is behind the closed doors, while everyone here is fighting at no king's protests and shit like that, over whether or not they're paying $700 a month or $600 a month for fucking healthcare and whether or not they like Trump or not. There's things happening behind the scenes that now we have more awareness on. We've been talking about this throughout the episode, like the average person does, but like, things that happen outside the borders, in other places with treaties and deals and backroom, whatever, and wars and death. And not even the stroke of a pen sometimes. Sometimes it's just, I'll make that deal. Drop a fucking bomb on a wedding. And nobody knows nothing. That's where the real, and that hasn't changed.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  And so that only added to how I thought about this, because I'm like, it's all, it's all bullshit. And the politics comes back, like you were saying perfectly a few minutes ago. The politics comes back 180 again and again and again and again. And I've just, I've seen the movie too many times. I was like liberal when I was in college. I was like a Trump conservative, whatever that is, right after college. And then I was like, I'll fuck all of them by the end of 2020. Seventeen.

• 1:25:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  And I've been a fuck all of them since the end of twenty seventeen.

• 1:25:30Danny Jones?

  Winston Churchill quote, if you're not a socialist when you're young, you have no heart. If you're now a conservative when you're old, you have no brain.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  And the Julian Dory quote is, and if you're either by the time you're thirty, you're retarded.

• 1:25:40Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  You know, like.

• 1:25:41Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  It's just, it's a little harsh way of putting it, sorry, but like, that's just, it's like, the one thing that all the crazy, all the things I've had to change my mind on when presented with way better evidence that maybe I'll change my mind on again when better evidence comes from somewhere else. It's the one thing I haven't seen better evidence on. I've only seen stronger evidence over time, that that's what it is.

• 1:26:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  It's all just a game, you know, and I think, I do think if there's one critique I have of society that I've had for a while, I think it's that people put way too much, certain people put way too much faith in like some individual wearing a suit, asking for their election vote on a Tuesday in November.

• 1:26:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:23Speaker 02

  Then they really even have the power to do, let alone the desire to do for the people that vote.

• 1:26:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  You know, and that's a, that's a cynical way of putting it, but that is one place where I'm pretty cynical.

• 1:26:36Danny Jones?

  I think one of the good things is like, ten years ago, maybe, maybe a little bit more, yeah, I think ten years ago is a safe bet. If what was happening right now with Thomas Massie and Miriam Adelson.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:26:49Danny Jones?

  If that happened, she would get away with it.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:26:52Danny Jones?

  But I don't think she can get away with it. I think she could spend a trillion dollars and it would just be Streisand effect. It would just be more people would know about it, more people would be calling it out. And I think it's going to work in the opposite, the fact that she's funding people against this guy. You know, I don't care, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's the boomers are the ones that vote, the people on Twitter who are seeing all this stuff, maybe they don't vote. Maybe it's a statistic thing. Maybe it's the fucking people like my parents and your parents, they get all their information from Fox and CNN. They're the ones that are seeing all the commercials that Mary Madison's paying for, and they're the ones that actually vote. People, me and you, we don't vote. Well, I used to vote, but I'm not going to vote any longer. Journalistic integrity.

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  I do go vote, I write in.

• 1:27:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, of course, journalist, um, journalistic integrity.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  Fucking loser.

• 1:27:37Danny Jones?

  But yeah, I, I wonder if that's, maybe I could be wrong about that.

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  I'll, I'll say this.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  I've never been to Kentucky. I've heard great things. I've heard it's a fucking beautiful place. I'm sure there's people out there from Kentucky listening right now. Hope to hear from me in the comments and confirm that. But from the little bit that I do know about Kentucky, I do feel like there aren't a lot of people in Kentucky who are waking up every day concerned about the well-being of Israel. I don't think there's a lot of them. I think they're more concerned with, you know, it's a bold take. Yeah, very bold take. I'm saying the well-being of Israel. I, I, I think they're much more concerned with how much groceries cost, like a normal fucking

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  person is, or, you know, whether or not their grandkids are going to have an opportunity to live in a better country than they live in right now. And when they have a representative who has also been extremely public in trying to be one of the lone people exposing one of the largest scandals, bipartisan scandals, I might add in both directions, bipartisan of people who are guilty and bipartisan of the voters who want to see the fucking truth about it, something everyone agrees on for the wrong reasons or the right reasons, respectively. Like, when they see that this guy who's trying to expose all that is the one that they're trying to run out of office. Yeah, I, I think that's a real black pill moment for the literal average

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  person, including the older, less technologically inclined fucking boomer.

• 1:29:14Danny Jones?

  I, I want to think that too, but I, I, that's the point I wanted to make. But halfway through making that point, I realized I'm wrong, because I've had this argument with my dad and people of my dad's age, the boomer class about this. And it's like talking to a brick wall. They don't hear it. They don't hear it. It's that George Carlin thing we played yesterday. The George Carlin thing where he's talking about, remember the clip I texted you yesterday? He's talking about people with their ideas become their identity. And then when you start to attack their ideas, you're attacking who they are and their identity. And then it just, just dissolves into, you know, a dumber argument. So I think that's what it is. I think, I think the, the

• 1:29:59Danny Jones?

  older folks or the people that aren't tapped into like independent media, it has become their identity. Yeah, watch that.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  I agree with you. I think there's just more percentage in the past where it's not that way than there was two years ago.

• 1:30:15Danny Jones?

  You need to click the audio button.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  God, he was such a genius.

• 1:30:18Speaker 07

  You officially screwed yourself because now it's not just an idea, now it's you.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Now it's you.

• 1:30:22Speaker 07

  And when the idea gets challenged, you don't hear disagreement, you hear an attack.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:30:26Speaker 07

  What do you do? You build a bubble, a nice, soft, padded little bubble where everyone agrees with you, uses the same words, hates the same people, and claps at the exact right moments. And you will defend that bubble at all costs, even if it makes you sound incredibly stupid. Facts don't matter anymore. Logic's gone. Humor? Dead. Because admitting you're wrong would mean admitting you are wrong, and that's unacceptable. So you double down, louder, angrier.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Dumber.

• 1:30:55Speaker 07

  Dumber. And that's how you end up defending nonsense like it's sacred scripture, not because it's true, but because without it, you'd have to actually develop a personality.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:31:10Danny Jones?

  He fucking nailed it.

• 1:31:12Speaker 02

  Dude, he's spot on, and it's like, I'm telling you, one of the most freeing things ever is being able to say like, wow, I've seen better evidence I was wrong. You know how many fucking, and I do it publicly, which is, you know, it's, I'm not just some fucking private person behind a keyboard that no one knows.

• 1:31:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  What it is, like, when you're wrong, you're fucking wrong. And you can dig in and fucking stamp your feet and be like, no, no, no, I'm right. But like, after enough time, people are gonna be like, well, this guy's a fucking moron.

• 1:31:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  Go look at Ben Shapiro's views. People have seen through it.

• 1:31:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Cause he won't admit he's wrong.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  I have no, I have no sympathy for that.

• 1:31:52Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the, um, on the subject of Thomas Massie, there was a thing on Twitter the other day where he was fighting with Dan Bongino?

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:32:02Danny Jones?

  And then they showed the timestamps.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Them time stamps, baby.

• 1:32:06Danny Jones?

  Bongino was in Israel. You can't make it up, dude.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  What happened to him?

• 1:32:13Danny Jones?

  You can't fucking make it up.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  What happened to that guy? He looks like a broken fucking person.

• 1:32:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  Like, split down the middle. Like, just completely cracked, like you just watched.

• 1:32:25Danny Jones?

  What do you think they did to him when he got in for the first day at work?

• 1:32:27Speaker 02

  I don't know, man. But so, and like, I say, I'd never liked the guy at all, not even a little bit. I always made fun of him. But like, I respected when he went in there, that here you had a guy who was making millions of dollars ranting and raving about the future of America to a bunch of people a little bit too close to the camera in that way for being that fucking angry with the vein at all times. And, you know, he gave all that up for at least a short time to go make a hundred thousand dollars or less, or whatever, and do a job where you're gonna be constantly attacked because allegedly, he wanted to walk the talk and he, I didn't, I wasn't really sure what his qualifications were, as it pertains to FBI, he was a Secret Service guy, but like,

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  I was like, alright, he's going in there and he's trying to clean up some of the system he's complained about for so long, and, and I respected that. And then he looked like a hostage while he was doing it. Every time that they would come out and do these interviews and he'd be sitting next to Cash, who's, it's a whole separate issue, but, you know, he would literally look like, he, he'd look like that meme of the kid who literally is about to explode with the vein in the forehead, you know? And I had said, I said it with Mike Gagley in episode 351 back in October, I'm like, that's the guy I'm watching, cuz he's gonna leave there. I didn't know it was gonna be two months later, but I'm like, he will not last this full term, he's gonna go back to private life, and I wanna see what he says when he does, and man, has he completely let me down.

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  Because, first of all, he blocks everyone. I've never added the guy in my life.

• 1:34:00Danny Jones?

  Congratulations, congratulations, you got blocked.

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, he blocked me, I've never added him in my life. I just learned how to spell his name like a month ago. But like, you know, watching him simp for these outcomes, and then you see this latest one where he like tries to expose Thomas Messi, it's like, dude, what are you doing? Like, pu, forget privately even.

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  Publicly, this is one of the few people who's trying to expose the largest known fucking vile intelligence arms dealing trafficking ring known to man.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  And that's the shit you used to complain about all day, righteously so, on your show. And now you've gone behind the big blue wall, you've come out from the other side and you're going after this guy? Read the room. And so there's just, the cynic in me goes, something happened to him.

• 1:34:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  Someone said, hey, ain't nobody wanna see these pictures of you. That's not me in the picture. It is if we say it is.

• 1:35:01Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  I don't know who those people are. I don't know what they're doing it for. That's all speculation, but.

• 1:35:07Danny Jones?

  I wish Iran would hack that guy's hard drive.

• 1:35:12Danny Jones?

  They got Cash. You see him doing the fucking, the kookaracha?

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Listen, I'm never gonna, I'm never gonna go after someone for what's on there. What I will, what I will go after is how the fuck is the head of the FBI getting, like, it's embarrassing.

• 1:35:30Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  Like, it's just, it, like, and he's winning every Vegas odd there is. Everyone's thinking he's gotta be the first guy getting fired from the cabinet. Now we're like two down because Noem got fired and now Trump's.

• 1:35:43Danny Jones?

  Kristi Noem, I heard Bondi's gonna get fired now.

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. Bondi's now, at the time of this recording, reportedly about to get fired. Cash is still fucking swimming.

• 1:35:53Danny Jones?

  Now, why would they fire Bondi?

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  The Dow, the Dow, the Dow is, she had to grab her notes, is at 50,000. She wanted to say dollars. It's not dollars, hon. You know, and she stopped herself. This is at 50,000.

• 1:36:11Danny Jones?

  It's not, it's not dollars?

• 1:36:13Speaker 02

  I've seen you, Raskin. You're a great trader from what I hear.

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  Like, shut the fuck up, Bimbo. You're an attorney general. This isn't a fucking, we don't claim her, alright? The Italian half of me, then, I'm sure my 100% Italian people out there, like, eh, we don't claim her. You know, like, and she was doing some interesting stuff with the Church of Scientology back in the day.

• 1:36:35Danny Jones?

  I heard. Well, she took money from him.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  Just saying, but.

• 1:36:39Danny Jones?

  We need to give her an exorcism over here.

• 1:36:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, what are you doing? It's, it's just, you know, the last administration with Biden was a global embarrassment, literally top to bottom. I mean, it was like, it was so in-your-face embarrassing that you were certain it was a play. You know, like, this is a giant joke on everyone.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  And we're getting to the point for, for different reasons. They're different and the context is different, but where I'm getting the same feeling with this administration for wildly different reasons.

• 1:37:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  And different manifestations of how that happens, but like, like who the fuck are these people?

• 1:37:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:37:23Speaker 02

  And I'm not sitting here like, yo, I got the solutions. You should have hired this guy that I don't know. That's not my lane. I'm a fucking YouTuber. But like, even my dumb ass can look at this and be like, you know, maybe the lady who's gotten a new face since 2018 isn't the person you want to be running 45 fucking Homeland Security commercials with.

• 1:37:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah. They turn, they turn you into a lizard person when you get in there. They do something. They inject you with the lizard DNA and there's no turning back. That's why I don't think it's a good idea for Tucker Carlson to run for president. Nor Joe Rogan, nor anyone we love. Don't wish that upon them.

• 1:37:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:00Danny Jones?

  The president, the president of the United States is not someone that you are ever going to revere. And if you do, if it's someone who's a good person, you have to assume it's going to turn them into a bad person.

• 1:38:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:38:12Danny Jones?

  That's the way you gotta look at it. Just look at the Dan Bongino cat model. Look at the Dan Bongino model. Everyone fucking loved him. He was calling out all the right things. As soon as he went behind the curtain and he came back out, he was a fucking demon. And I think the same thing would happen to, I don't think it would hap, I mean, I want to, I want to believe that it wouldn't happen with somebody like Tucker. Cause I don't want to believe that he's that type of person. But if he actually becomes president, you got, you can't give him that, you can't give him that, that leeway.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  Who, yeah, who, exactly. You can't give it to anyone. Who, who's to say you don't get fucking, you know, opposite date when you get back there?

• 1:38:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  Where they inject you with it and it's like the SpongeBob, everything's the opposite.

• 1:38:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  You know? Like that's, it's, it's just, and it's all projection, what these people do. And it's just.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  It's really disheartening, you know, and then you realize that.

• 1:39:07Danny Jones?

  It's a house of cards.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:39:10Danny Jones?

  Dude, I was watching another one of those Adam Curtis documentaries there. I watched it for the second time, the hyper normalization.

• 1:39:19Danny Jones?

  Where the beginning of the, the beginning of the documentary, it sets it up talking about New York City in the 1970s.

• 1:39:26Danny Jones?

  And it talks about 1975, when all the middle class had left New York City. And it had become just overrun with homeless, poor people, pimps, prostitutes, corrupt cops. And the politicians were having these monthly meetings with the banks. Issuing bonds in exchange for loans to help pay all the expenses to run the city. And eventually, one day, the banks didn't show up. They had a 9:00 AM meeting with the banks. The press was there, the politicians were there, they're all waiting. 9:00 AM comes, the banks aren't there, so they go, oh, we're gonna, we're rescheduling for 11 o'clock. 11 o'clock, the banks don't show up. They go, oh, we're sorry, we're rescheduling, we're rescheduling for 4 o'clock.

• 1:40:10Danny Jones?

  Finally, at 4 o'clock, the banks come in and they say, we're not giving you your money. And that's when the banks took over from the politicians. And that's when the banks took control of New York City. And that's the same time Donald Trump came in and took advantage and made a deal with the banks to basically take all this overrun, all these overrun buildings. And what he used to do with his dad was basically turning out apartments, doing section eight, that kind of stuff for like normal, everyday people, like people who could actually afford to live in like a modest way, middle income type people. He said, I'm gonna take all these things and I'm gonna turn them into luxury buildings, hotels, that kind of shit. So that was the moment, explained in the documentary, for what it's worth.

• 1:40:55Danny Jones?

  That it went from being what it was before 1975 to what it is now. Was when the banks took over and then also Trump got like one of the biggest tax breaks in history at that point was worth like $150 million. Cause he worked out a deal with the banks to redevelop New York into this high society hub. And redevelop all these buildings and.

• 1:41:19Danny Jones?

  Like everyone that was living there was in such despair. And now the same, the same poor people that were living there in New York were now surrounded by like all this crazy wealth and fucking luxury resorts and hotels and shit everywhere. But like they were somehow stuck in the middle of it and it didn't reflect their, their real lives. And it started to become hyper normal and he made that comparison with what was going on in the Soviet Union before it collapsed. How like everyone in the Soviet Union knew that society was falling apart. The government wasn't real, their economy wasn't real, everything was fucking coming apart at the seams. But they were just trying to get through the day and pretending like their lives were normal until all of a sudden it wasn't.

• 1:42:02Danny Jones?

  In 1990, 19, whenever it was, 1991, when the Soviet Union fell. And it's so crazy because they draw that comparison with uh, what was happening in Syria with Assad. How Henry Kissinger went over there and basically made the deal and then he lied to Assad. And then that whole thing happened and like basically created like the modern day terrorist. And uh, it, it like, that's what it feels like in the United States right now. Cause it feels like all the stuff that's coming out is like, it's too crazy to be real. But we're like, not really, I mean us too, yeah, but even although we are talking about it, it's our job, which is very unusual. But most people are going through the day like trying to like ignore it because you have to.

• 1:42:46Danny Jones?

  How else do you get through the day? How else do you go to your job and take care of your kids and you know, feed your, feed your baby, whatever, whatever it is you do. It's like you have to, you, you have to ignore it. There's no way to be sane and function in the society.

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  But this same exact thing, these same exact things that you have to ignore are the long-term kicking the can down the road over and over again. Problems that have created the bad realities that we have right now that are short-term trends that we have to fix that need to not become long-term trends, whether that is the fact that people have to make a fucking financial decision to have a child today. Which is disgusting that that is what it is, but that is a reality.

• 1:43:25Danny Jones?

  We need to get Julian Dorey some kids.

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  I look forward to it.

• 1:43:28Danny Jones?

  Any takers out there? We got a, we got a sperm donor right here with great hair. We need some kids.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  I don't have Danny Jones hair.

• 1:43:35Danny Jones?

  We, we can't go too much longer. We don't need Julian Dorey getting a robot fuck doll in the year 2027. We need.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  There's a wide range between robot fuck doll and not having kids. But yes, I look forward to having a lot of kids with the right woman. Good genes, you know, the whole bit.

• 1:43:52Danny Jones?

  It'll be good for you.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  You gotta offset these genes. That's hard to do. So, you know, either way, like having kids should not in any way be a financial decision. It is. The college system being set up as it has been and sold in the way that it has been sold and inflated in the way that it has been inflated to create this never ending fucking uncancellable debt on so much of society that could have avoided it in many ways or did not at the very least get the value out of it that they deserve to get is fucking crazy. The expenses of everything, whether it's a house that you bought, like, like my grandparents bought a house for, I don't know, $21,000 or $20,000 in 1976 that they still have today. I don't know what it's worth. It's probably worth fucking millions.

• 1:44:34Danny Jones?

  I will not accept a penny less than one million.

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  Oh, no, it's, oh, it's worth a lot more than that for sure. You know, and I'm like, that's a whole generation that got to cash in on that or whatever. And you know what? I'm not even fucking faulting the boomers for what that became. But the fact that some of the power structures of boomers are the people who were in power who allowed to get it to this point to where someone, you know, you can't even be in a position by, like, I think about that all the time. Like, I'm doing pretty decently on YouTube. It's running a business. So as you know, there's enormous expenses. I also live in New York, so running the business there is more expensive for sure. I can't buy a fucking house. I don't have the money.

• 1:45:13Danny Jones?

  Your rent at your apartment is probably more than what I pay for this place.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  Probably more, right? But like planning out your actual income and being able to do that and make that leap and get the place and have it and have the equity, like, that's crazy. That's crazy. Now, I had no money three years from now, but so I, like, I can remember what that was like. And then I'm looking at the average income of the average American, which might have been above that for sure, because that was like at zero. But, you know, either way, it's not much. And you look at neighborhoods they live in, maybe some places a dollar goes a lot farther for sure. It probably goes a lot farther in Nebraska than it does in fucking Essex County, New Jersey for sure. But either way, like, that American dream of like house, white picket fence, family

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  of four, you know, decent school system, that's a whole separate thing. We just did a really cool podcast on, I want to tell you about off air, you know? That's dead right now. And. It can be brought back to life for sure, but I think I'm at the point at this moment where like, we have to admit that that is dead before we can actually go go in there with the jaws of life. Because I think a lot of people out there, myself included for a long time, are floating along like, ah, it's gonna figure itself out. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's it's not like the the ship has left the station and some things gotta get fixed. Now, does that mean that like,

• 1:46:39Speaker 02

  and I understand why the Biden campaign wanted to do this when they came in, but does that mean coming in and saying we're gonna cancel all college debt in one fell swoop is fair to all the kids that then had paid off their college debt that got nothing from potentially doing something like that? It's not. It's not. So you have to have some hard conversations here for sure. But like, does that mean that I don't feel bad for the kid who was half drunk signing a paper at 17 that didn't even know what a fucking dollar was that said, you're gonna pay fucking $180,000 for your gender studies degree and it's gonna work? And now they're 30 and pissed off because they're still fucking $250,000 in debt now and it's at 7% or whatever it is and they're never gonna get out of it, never gonna own anything, they hate their job, they hate their life? Like, of course I feel bad for that kid. I was retarded when I was 25. What the fuck do you

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  think I was when I was 17? You know, so like, yeah, yeah, there's, there's, there's some broken shit. And who Tim Dillon just had a fucking amazing rant about this.

• 1:47:38Danny Jones?

  Everything he rants about every single week is just pure gold.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  Pure gold, but he had an amazing rant a few weeks ago.

• 1:47:43Danny Jones?

  Was it Jake Paul being the red heifer?

• 1:47:45Speaker 02

  That was an amazing rant, but that's not the one I'm talking about. Like, I feel like the people in Kentucky, they're not gonna vote for Jake Paul. They're not doing it. You know why? He doesn't even live here. Like, it was, shout out to him, chef's kiss, but like, he had this rant.

• 1:48:01Danny Jones?

  That's the third temple. Jake Paul is the third temple.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  And and he's like friends with Jake Paul. That's the best part. He's like, yeah, we go way back, but I feel like he's not running for office in Kentucky.

• 1:48:09Danny Jones?

  That's the great thing about him too, is he doesn't give a fuck. You could be his friend, he he turns down dinners with Peter Thiel just so he can talk shit about Peter Thiel on his show.

• 1:48:17Speaker 02

  That's amazing. I love that and respect that. And I'm glad he's not friends with Peter Thiel. But like, you know, you should, but that's the job of like, the brilliant comedians. We played the George Carlin clip. Like, guys like Tim Dillon have pieces of that now where they're also The the jester with serious cultural commentary done through an entertaining comedic lens. And we need that.

• 1:48:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  And it's like, he had this one rant about the boomers accepting propaganda. I know you saw this one and why they were OK with accepting their fucking eight o'clock news for whatever it said, even if in the back of their head, they're like, maybe that's not what I think, but la la la, I don't want to worry about it because they could pay their bills, they could get their house, they could have their fucking cake and eat it too. And now, like, I don't think it was the intention of boomers to feel this way on the average. It's not every boomer feeling this way, but on the average. The result, though, has been that the boomers are like the first generation in mankind that through their actions is not concerned about the world being a better place for their kids and grandkids, as opposed to every other generation that's come before them, where

• 1:49:23Speaker 02

  that's like their sole reason for existence, trying to hope that the next generations have a better world. Again, I don't think the boomers, I mean, maybe, you know, your fucking drunk uncle does, but like, most of the boomers, they don't actively think that, like, yeah, I want the world to be worse for my kids, or I don't want it to be a better place. They're not thinking that, like, that's, and that's not what Tim's saying. He's making a funny joke out of it, but like, the actions that have occurred and the passive attitude to allow control vectors of society to come in and just be like, you know what, I can pay my bills, I got my house, I got my my equity, it's fine, it'll work itself out, that has allowed this to manifest to where now, again, we talked about those short term versus.

• 1:50:00Danny Jones?

  It's that famous saying that Rogan always says, the the good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, right?

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And who are the boomers? They're the prophets in the fourth turning.

• 1:50:08Danny Jones?

  Right, exactly.

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  They're that first generation that grows up in the boom, we just won everything, bitch, we're the champions, let's go, bang, bang, bang, everything's.

• 1:50:17Danny Jones?

  Good times.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  Happy, good times rolling. By the time we get to college, now we're going to start looking inward, but you know what? We're going to do it while we're on LSD and fucking out at Woodstock, you know what I mean? And so they have this.

• 1:50:28Danny Jones?

  Looking inward, that's the key point.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  And they were, and in 1969, we were still on the gold standard, too. So they were still riding high on that. And they got to, they got, they're like the surfer, you like surfing, they're the surfer that. Is that way when I'm not doing that, I will not.

• 1:50:43Danny Jones?

  Joey Deef, Joey Deef's ready.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  Joey Deef can fucking do it. I don't have an insurance policy on himself.

• 1:50:48Danny Jones?

  You got key man insurance on Joey D?

• 1:50:50Speaker 02

  That's, you know, that's, he gets eaten. He, I know he's out there like fucking.

• 1:50:54Danny Jones?

  He's watching, laughing his ass off right now. What's up? Shout out to Joey Deef.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  Shit, yeah. Shout out producer Deef, but like out there in the Scarface lounge, eerily in the center of this large echo chamber. It's a literal echo chamber out there that you have.

• 1:51:07Danny Jones?

  Thank you.

• 1:51:08Speaker 02

  Like I was like walking around before you got here yesterday, like Danny Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. But anyway, you know, what was I saying?

• 1:51:15Danny Jones?

  I forgot.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  I remember. Fuck.

• 1:51:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, it's four turning?

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the prophets, like they, they were catching the wave in the surfer game of life. Like, you know, when you're right there, because I did surf when I was a kid, contrary to your opinion.

• 1:51:27Danny Jones?

  Jersey has some of the best surf in the world.

• 1:51:29Speaker 02

  Got great surf in Ocean City, New Jersey. But like, when you see that wave and you're like, fuck, I got a paddle to get there. And you just catch it in time and then you rip it. But the guy who was like fucking four strides behind you missed it completely. The boomers are the people that caught that wave. And then Gen X started to miss it more. And then the millennials really started to miss it. And Gen Z is just fucked, you know? And then you wonder why, why there's anger, why there's indignation, why there's generational fighting. You know, and that was, it's just symbolic, but we all know the famous.

• 1:52:02Danny Jones?

  The boomers, they weren't paddling for the waves though. They were getting towed into the waves on jet skis.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:52:07Danny Jones?

  They had ski ropes and jet skis were pulling them in. And now all the jet skis have run out of gas and we have to learn to paddle again.

• 1:52:13Speaker 02

  Yes. And they had their top China buffet right before going out there with a full stomach and didn't worry about throwing up. For sure. You know, but there's now a reaction to that. And when there was that famous leaked call with the Israel situation where you had, this is back in the end of 2023, where Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL was on that leaked call. Going like, we don't have, we, we don't have, we've been fighting this left versus right game. Prime example of the black pill, by the way. That is not the battle here. We have a TikTok problem. We have a generational problem. And he was referring, of course, in this case to like the Israel situation and the popular opinion on that. But overall,

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  go way beyond like foreign policy of it as it pertains to Israel and just look at everything. It's a generational gap.

• 1:53:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  It is, it is less, you know, it may manifest in these left and right loud voices and it certainly does. I'm not saying it doesn't, you know, but. The generational problem is, is, is the bigger story.

• 1:53:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  Can I take a piss real fast?

• 1:53:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, sure. We'll be right back. I saw yesterday in the news that this county, Pinellas County, has, the population here has been like, cut by a million people in the last year. A million people. This used to be the second biggest county in Florida.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  Left.

• 1:53:35Danny Jones?

  No, no, no, no, no. Th- this is, Pinellas is the number two most dense county in Florida. Number one is Miami.

• 1:53:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:53:43Danny Jones?

  And this is number two. Actually, it might be backwards. This might be number one. And Miami might be, might be number two.

• 1:53:49Speaker 02

  But people are leaving?

• 1:53:50Danny Jones?

  What are, what are the most population dense counties? But yeah, on, I saw something that said, um, a million people have left this county, and probably all counties in Florida over the last year or something like that.

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:54:01Danny Jones?

  I'm not sure why. It might have something to do with like the residual people that came down from New York after the pandemic, or just going back up north.

• 1:54:09Speaker 04

  It's Pinellas.

• 1:54:10Danny Jones?

  Pinellas County is the most population dense county in Florida with over thirty-four hundred people per square mile due to its largest developed peninsula. While Miami Dade has the highest total population in general, Pinellas holds the highest concentration, followed closely by Broward.

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, before I knew you and Matthew B. Cox, I had always been on the east coast of Florida. I've been coming to Florida all my life, but never hit the west coast. It's a great area.

• 1:54:33Danny Jones?

  The west coast is fire.

• 1:54:34Speaker 02

  I love, I love the east coast. The west coast has a different vibe too. It's like, you know.

• 1:54:39Danny Jones?

  There's different, but you get a, you get a completely different experience in every single part. You go to Jacksonville, you get a unique experience. You go to, fuck, I mean, Orlando's cool. They got nice golf courses and shit, but you know, mostly known for like Disney or whatever. Then you go to, you come here, it's great. You got a great wildlife here. They got some of the best fucking seafood here, the best fishing here. You have the Everglades, you have the Keys. Have you been to the Keys?

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  I've never been. My cousin Becca loves it down there.

• 1:55:06Danny Jones?

  Florida Keys are like the Twilight Zone, bro. It's a completely different universe. And then you have Miami, which is like hell on earth.

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  I love Miami.

• 1:55:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:17Speaker 02

  I can't spend like more than three, four days there at a time. Cause I feel like you're gonna leave with a criminal record.

• 1:55:22Danny Jones?

  Well, it's like, it's kinda like Vegas, like the best two days in going to Miami are the day you get there and the day you leave.

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  But I, then I think that's a little much, but I like my, I'd, I'd, I'd love Miami.

• 1:55:32Danny Jones?

  It's gross now. It used to be, it used to be great.

• 1:55:35Speaker 02

  Where? Where's it gross?

• 1:55:36Danny Jones?

  Uh, downtown, wherever we were, we were in downtown Miami.

• 1:55:40Speaker 02

  I've really never spent.

• 1:55:41Danny Jones?

  Last couple of times I've been there, it's just been trashed.

• 1:55:44Speaker 02

  I spend time on South.

• 1:55:45Danny Jones?

  Litter everywhere.

• 1:55:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, South Beach is a little different.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:49Danny Jones?

  South Beach is nice.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  South Beach is cool.

• 1:55:51Danny Jones?

  South Beach is nice. Great breakfast, great restaurants.

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  Great restaurants.

• 1:55:55Danny Jones?

  Great restaurants. It's kinda like stuck in the nineties.

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:56:00Danny Jones?

  You know, a little bit of it, it's like a nineties vibe, kinda old school. Not, not a lot of chains.

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  What's that private island that Peter Thiel and Tom Brady live on? You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:56:12Danny Jones?

  In Florida?

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  Is that a part of South?

• 1:56:13Danny Jones?

  Key Biscayne?

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  That sounds familiar.

• 1:56:17Danny Jones?

  I have a friend who lives on Key Biscayne.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:20Danny Jones?

  My buddy, my buddy who, uh, films all those movies with, uh, who filmed all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

• 1:56:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, the Pete Tsukarini.

• 1:56:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he lives on Key Biscayne.

• 1:56:29Speaker 02

  That's one of my favorite podcasts you ever did.

• 1:56:31Danny Jones?

  On the island?

• 1:56:32Speaker 02

  On the island and on the boat.

• 1:56:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:34Speaker 02

  That was pure.

• 1:56:35Danny Jones?

  We literally jumped in the, in, in the bay, in Biscayne Bay, and we were like swimming around, filming all the fish and stuff like that.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  See, Danny Jones is a humble guy, everybody, but like this dude was trained by the number one underwater cinematographer of all time and did, he's responsible for the entire movie Dolphin Tale, like.

• 1:56:53Danny Jones?

  I am a hundred percent responsible for that movie.

• 1:56:55Speaker 02

  Like, he was down there swimming with Morgan Freeman, like, no, no, I need you to the left. You know what I mean?

• 1:57:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I remember I cracked, I was thinking about this the other day when I was, uh, one of the days we were filming that, I was sitting on the side of the set with his stand-in, cause Morgan Freeman wasn't always there. He'd be sleeping in a chair off in the corner. But his stand-in was this shorter guy who looked just like him, who didn't have a fake hand. And he was standing there one day and I, I remember I cracked a joke or something like that. He was standing right there and I forget what the joke was. And he looks at me and everyone was laughing and he was not laughing. And he looks at me, he goes, are you being facetious? And I was like, what?

• 1:57:36Danny Jones?

  I didn't know what the fuck facetious meant.

• 1:57:41Danny Jones?

  I had never heard that word in my life. I thought he was talking shit. And they were like Danny, Danny, Danny, go, go get us coffees.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Get back underwater, throw the goggles on. Oh, man, that's good.

• 1:57:57Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:57:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like Pete, he did, what did he do? Life of Pi, all the Pirates of Caribbean.

• 1:58:03Danny Jones?

  Forgot about that. Yeah, he did all the Pirates movies, Life of Pi. Yeah, he is the, he did.

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  Dark Into the Blue, right?

• 1:58:10Danny Jones?

  Yes. Yep, he did Into the Blue with Jessica Alba and who's the other guy?

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  Paul, Paul Walker.

• 1:58:16Danny Jones?

  Walker, the klepto.

• 1:58:20Speaker 02

  The what?

• 1:58:21Danny Jones?

  I, I heard, someone told me that he, he might, it might have been a kleptomaniac, but I don't know.

• 1:58:25Speaker 02

  I thought I wasn't allowed to talk about that. We literally, I just brought that up on a podcast with Dee. I'm like, I gotta get this one off camera.

• 1:58:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that kind of broke my heart.

• 1:58:33Danny Jones?

  I've heard crazy, crazy stories about Paul, but great guy, friend of the show.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  Jessica Alba's still got it though, by the way.

• 1:58:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. What was I gonna say? Oh, no, no. Pete also did the most recent Avatar movies. He filmed all the fucking Avatar movies.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  He's goaded.

• 1:58:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's next level.

• 1:58:49Danny Jones?

  Pretty incredible life, dude. When your life is just literally building submarines for video cameras. Oh dude, he also did the fucking, um, the Harmony Karim Beach bum with Matthew McConaughey. Have you ever seen that one?

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  No. Can we pull this up? The Harmony Karim Beach bum?

• 1:59:06Danny Jones?

  So you know who Harmony Karim is?

• 1:59:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:59:09Danny Jones?

  Harmony Karim's a director. He did Gummo. He did, um, Spring Breakers. He did Beach Bum.

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  Breakers, okay.

• 1:59:17Danny Jones?

  Um, he's like a legendary, sort of like indie, like weird filmmaker. One of my favorite filmmakers.

• 1:59:27Speaker 02

  Dee's like, what the fuck?

• 1:59:28Danny Jones?

  Well, I got my bubble popped about him, dude. So let me tell you a crazy story about Harmony Karim before you play this. Harmony Karim was one of my all time, like, top tier guests I wanted to have on the show. He lives in Miami. I know people who know him.

• 1:59:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:44Danny Jones?

  I know people who are friends with them, um, and I've had them trying to lobby for me for years. I've always wanted to get him on the show. We finally got a response from him. We got, one of our mutual friends got me his email and Steve emailed him and he responded with a response that on one hand broke my heart and on the other hand, made me respect him more than I could ever have imagined. His response was. Steve, thank you for your email. I could not be more uninterested in doing his podcast.

• 2:00:15Speaker 02

  Hey, look, I appreciate the honesty.

• 2:00:17Danny Jones?

  I like him even more now.

• 2:00:18Speaker 02

  I appreciate the, I like people that are direct like that.

• 2:00:21Danny Jones?

  This is the Beach Bum. We probably get copyrighted for this one.

• 2:00:23Speaker 02

  And it's also the Red Band trailer, just heads up, but.

• 2:00:26Danny Jones?

  And it's like one of those movies where it's not like, he doesn't edit it like a movie. He edits, he edits it like, um, like one of those films that are not edited. It's like just this long, never ending, no cuts, really. It's just kinda like this free flowing narrative. You know what I mean? It's so, so unique. But I found out, one of my guests, Travis Kitchens, told me.

• 2:00:53Danny Jones?

  He goes, did you know Harmony Korine donated millions of dollars with the IDF? I was like, no.

• 2:01:01Speaker 02

  He was doing so well.

• 2:01:03Danny Jones?

  He was doing so good.

• 2:01:05Speaker 02

  He was doing so well.

• 2:01:06Danny Jones?

  It's no wonder he said he could not be more disinterested in doing my podcast.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  Pulls up a clip at Kiriyaku.

• 2:01:16Danny Jones?

  He's a fucking legend, dude. There's a story that he was on, uh, he was on David Letterman in the nineties, I think, for Gummo, his first hit movie. He was going on David Letterman and something happened. What happened in the green room where basically they kicked him off the set? They caught him in the green room, like fucking going through somebody's purse and like doing a bunch of blow or something like that. And, uh,

• 2:01:44Speaker 02

  Very Paul Walker, um.

• 2:01:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they, um, they kicked him off the set of David Letterman. Legend. Highly recommend the Beach Bum. And he just did, his new movie is actually all shot in, it's shot, remember we were showing this the other day? It's shot in like night vision or something?

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  Night fish.

• 2:02:03Danny Jones?

  Dude, he's like, he's like redefining what it means to like make movies.

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 2:02:08Danny Jones?

  He's like on the cutting edge, like just trying out the most insane new shit with his cameras and like how he shoots his movies. And still able to get like A-list fucking people in there.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Well, we need that too because there's been such a step back with quality films.

• 2:02:27Danny Jones?

  Find that, find the, the thing for his new movie too.

• 2:02:30Speaker 02

  There were, there were a few good ones last year, but that was like the first time in a while where I'm like, ooh, wow. Lot, alright, there's a few options here that are like really well done, but you know, that medium of create a two, two and a half hour movie to tell a full story in a world where people are getting used to 10 episode, 12 episode seasons that are five seasons long where you get to really know the nitty gritty ins and outs of a character is tough.

• 2:02:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. Look, this is what his new movie looks like. You don't even have to play the audio, just like show what, what it looks like. And it's shot in four by three.

• 2:03:04Speaker 02

  Is that Travis?

• 2:03:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Travis Scott, dude.

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.

• 2:03:11Danny Jones?

  No, I know, right?

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 2:03:13Danny Jones?

  It's just mind blowing.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, good for him.

• 2:03:15Danny Jones?

  It's the type of shit that just like sort of breaks your brain because you've never seen anything like it before.

• 2:03:20Speaker 02

  That's right. You gotta try things.

• 2:03:24Danny Jones?

  We should start doing the podcast like this.

• 2:03:28Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is, um, this is called Thermal.

• 2:03:31Speaker 02

  Infrared.

• 2:03:31Danny Jones?

  Infrared, there you go. Like those drones that sucked up the airplane into the wormhole.

• 2:03:38Speaker 02

  How was John the other day, by the way? You just had him in here?

• 2:03:41Danny Jones?

  He was great.

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  You have fun as always?

• 2:03:43Danny Jones?

  He was as good as always, man.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  Your podcasts with him are always classics.

• 2:03:46Danny Jones?

  Uh, like I told you, we sat down and he did the first 45 minutes telling me this crazy story.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  Oh, the one you can't.

• 2:03:51Danny Jones?

  For like 30 to 45 minutes. And then I'm like, that was awesome, John. Don't tell me we can't put that on. There's like, you can't put it on there.

• 2:04:00Speaker 02

  That's the thing, like as nuts as the things you hear him talk about on camera are, the stuff that

• 2:04:06Danny Jones?

  That's off camera.

• 2:04:07Speaker 02

  Camera is bonkers. It's like, we, in the last one, we had our audio guy in there as well who comes in to check out the audio sometimes when we have like. Something wrong with like the little static or whatever. And so at the end, John went on one of those rants after we were done with one of those stories and Phil was just.

• 2:04:31Danny Jones?

  Well, he gave you a scoop on your podcast. I'm like, John, you better not be coming in here without a fucking scoop.

• 2:04:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:39Danny Jones?

  He's like, oh, sorry.

• 2:04:41Speaker 02

  Unfortunately, that age well, he was upset about that when it came through the door. He was obviously, but he was a hundred ninety five percent right about it. He was off by about three days, but you know, I, I knew when like when, first of all, I thought it was going to be one of those we're talking about when John was basically saying the Iran war was a go. And that they were on board and this was a week before it happened, but he thought it was going to be Monday or Tuesday. And that was the one part I kinda even before camera. I was like, I don't, he's got the State of the Union Tuesday. I feel like he ain't going in Monday or Tuesday. And Trump cares too much about the markets to do that, but he might've done it if, cause when we got off air that day, that Friday, February 20th,

• 2:05:22Speaker 02

  the fucking Mike Huckabee with Tucker interview dropped and he caused that huge fucking problem saying, yeah, Israel could have the whole Middle East for all I care. And then suddenly like even Saudi Arabia was calling up the White House like, what the fuck, you know, the ambassador, the US ambassador to Israel saying that is crazy. But so maybe he would have gone in on, on Monday or Tuesday, but I still think it probably would have been the next weekend. Either way, I thought it was going to be one of those where he's like, I can't talk about that because he literally walked through the door and explained it, explained the source, the whole bit. He was just pissed off. And he's like, I want to do it on camera. And I was like, what? Are you sure about that? He's like, yeah, yeah, I am.

• 2:06:00Danny Jones?

  I think so.

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 2:06:02Danny Jones?

  I'm John Kiriakou and I'm here to fuck shit up.

• 2:06:04Speaker 02

  Podcast and then at the end we'll do that. And then, yes, that was, that was my favorite.

• 2:06:09Danny Jones?

  By the way, we're going to start this podcast with one of those. We're going to have Julian walk through the door and be like, I'm Julian Dory and I'm here to fuck shit up.

• 2:06:17Speaker 02

  No, that was one of my, that intro edit was one of my favorites that I've done in a while. Cause it just like click, you know, you have him and me going back and forth about like, if you were going to fake Epstein's death, how would you do it? And then it just drops into John on the fucking steady cam or, or the vertical cam like, hello, I'm John Kiriakou. And I'm here to fuck shit up. And he just turns around, slams the door into the darkness.

• 2:06:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, I thought that you convinced him there, but then I asked him yesterday. I was like, so do you think Epstein still could possibly be still alive? Because no chance.

• 2:06:52Speaker 02

  I haven't talked to him about the latest stuff I've seen because we recorded that before I did this other stuff.

• 2:06:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:58Speaker 02

  That's another thing.

• 2:06:59Danny Jones?

  The photographer was there.

• 2:07:00Speaker 02

  That's another thing about John. John will, as you know, he will change his mind on things when he's presented with better evidence for sure. And he will talk about it on air. So I do want to see what he says when I go through some of this stuff with him.

• 2:07:13Danny Jones?

  What was, um, speaking of Saudi Arabia, what was this latest thing that happened with like they did a deal with the Ukraine? Did you see that?

• 2:07:20Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:07:21Danny Jones?

  That might have been, that might have been a fake Twitter thing, but apparently half the shit I see on Twitter is fake. I see these fake stories. I gotta scroll down to see what Grok says.

• 2:07:32Danny Jones?

  But, uh, there was something I saw that said, uh, MBS went behind Trump's back and did a deal with the Ukraine or something like that.

• 2:07:38Speaker 02

  All right, let's see what this is.

• 2:07:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, see if we can find Steve.

• 2:07:44Danny Jones?

  He's gonna look it up.

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  That's the thing. Everyone overlooks Ukraine. It's like people who fucking dying there every day. Still, all these years later. And it's like, oh yeah, that one.

• 2:07:54Danny Jones?

  Ukraine announces a mutually beneficial deal with Saudi. What, when was this posted? Is there a date?

• 2:07:59Speaker 04

  March 26th.

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. So Kiev, which has built expertise on how to counter drones seals pact amid Iran war.

• 2:08:07Danny Jones?

  Scroll down. What's the first thing? Ukraine says it has signed a defense agreement with Saudi Arabia as Gulf countries continue to come under Iranian attack in the United States and Israel's warning Iran. Uh, Vladimir Linsky, who arrived in the kingdom on Thursday, said on X that an important arrangement has been made ahead of the meeting with the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. What does that mean in English?

• 2:08:27Speaker 02

  Well, it means that I, this is the first I'm seeing it.

• 2:08:30Danny Jones?

  But what I saw was that on X was that Trump didn't, they did it behind Trump's back without Trump's like seal of approval or whatever.

• 2:08:39Speaker 02

  He's lost a lot of leverage. He's lost a lot of leverage, especially with the Gulf states and deservedly so. Cause did you watch his statement last night?

• 2:08:47Danny Jones?

  I did not. No.

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't.

• 2:08:50Danny Jones?

  I'm not going to.

• 2:08:51Speaker 02

  Waste of arrows. Basically someone tweeted it out perfectly. They said, I forget who it was. So shout out to whoever it was. Sorry. I can't remember, but they're like, basically it was just a chronological respeaking of his true social tweets over the past two weeks.

• 2:09:06Danny Jones?

  What it always is.

• 2:09:08Speaker 02

  But this one was particularly monotone, boring, and said a whole lot of nothing about nothing when they stopped every major channel to cut to the fucking thing. And like, the whole wink, wink, shadow, oh, I'm calling it a military, whatever, instead of a war, when then he goes in the next interview and says, I gotta check in on the war. It's so weird, man. Like, what are we doing? I, I, I, I don't know. And like,

• 2:09:35Danny Jones?

  And what about, oh, continue. I don't, I don't, I don't, that's, that question was gonna derail everything. That was gonna send us down a rabbit hole. We're not gonna get out of it.

• 2:09:44Speaker 02

  All right. Well, hold that thought. Let's, let's, let's go down that rabbit hole.

• 2:09:46Danny Jones?

  I'm glad I bit my tongue there.

• 2:09:48Speaker 02

  But like, I, I really only have one thought here, which is that no one's, no one who actually understands something about the situation, not all the details, but just something, is arguing that like, the Islamic regime, the IRGC is great. That's not what it is. They're, they're terrible. They hurt their own people. That's demonstrated, even with some of the propaganda against them for sure, where it's exaggerated. Like, they are what they are. This has been an awful regime for 47 years. But like, they've been a paper tiger again, and again, and again. And it's not our job to go play world police for other people. It's just not.

• 2:10:24Danny Jones?

  They're killing people. That's, that's what, that's what the biggest argument is when I talk to my parents. When I say, like, they say, how many Americans have they killed? Like, I don't know how many Americans they have. They go, how many of their own people have they killed? Like, okay, they're, they're literally trying to do a coup against their government, and we're telling them to rise up and coup their government. What happens when America tries to rise up and do a coup over their government?

• 2:10:48Speaker 02

  Boom.

• 2:10:48Danny Jones?

  What does the American government do?

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  How about?

• 2:10:50Danny Jones?

  They kill people.

• 2:10:51Speaker 02

  How about Scott Bessent running around Davos? All right, the Treasury Secretary,

• 2:10:56Danny Jones?

  That guy's fucking freaky, dude.

• 2:10:58Speaker 02

  Fucking bragging about all the sanctions he's putting on Iran, which was gonna send their currency to zero and put the people in the streets to rise up against the regime, in which case the regime, which is totalitarian, is therefore going to kill a bunch of these people, and it'll cause a problem that'll be beneficial to the United States. And it's like, So if you load the bullet for the psycho, are you innocent? I don't think so. That doesn't sound like a good guy statement. That sounds like someone who is very happy to be complicit in lives being lost if it means that, you know, we can get a little financial gain here, which by the way, how's that worked out Scott?

• 2:11:36Danny Jones?

  How weird is it, maybe not weird at all, that Scott Bessent used to work for George Soros?

• 2:11:40Speaker 02

  Who?

• 2:11:41Danny Jones?

  Bessent.

• 2:11:42Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't even know that he did.

• 2:11:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he was on the fucking board of directors for this, one of his first, like, main foundation.

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  How did I not know that?

• 2:11:49Danny Jones?

  Google it. Type in Scott Bessent, George Soros connection, or whatever, and he'll tell you all about it.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Also, the problem with George, no.

• 2:11:55Danny Jones?

  He's everywhere.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  Scott, he's fucking everywhere.

• 2:11:57Danny Jones?

  Fucking, tied to everything. Tied to Mondani, Mondani.

• 2:12:00Speaker 02

  He's tied to everybody, bro.

• 2:12:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  Like, you can't, he's tied to some of the same, like, you know, in some weird way, like, a typical southern, right-wing Republican who's railing against George Soros. And like, somehow, there's something that's within them that he's in, and they may not, in their defense, they might not even know it.

• 2:12:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:12:19Speaker 02

  But it's impossible to get away from.

• 2:12:21Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  Oh, he sounds like a wonderful guy.

• 2:12:29Danny Jones?

  Worked for George Soros for decades, most notably as the Partner and Chief Investment Officer at Soros Fund Management.

• 2:12:35Speaker 02

  That's not backdoor at all, that's right through the front door!

• 2:12:38Danny Jones?

  He helped orchestrate the 1992 bet against the British pound, Black Wednesday. I don't even know what the fuck that is.

• 2:12:44Speaker 02

  It was a currency war, if I'm remembering that one correctly.

• 2:12:47Danny Jones?

  And later launched his own firm with $2 billion in backing from Soros in 2015.

• 2:12:52Speaker 02

  Chief Investment Officer from 2011 to 2015, running the firm's London office.

• 2:12:56Danny Jones?

  Video, dude, the video of him doing the interview and then walking away to go meet Trump in that meeting.

• 2:13:02Speaker 02

  I want to know what the fuck they saw in there.

• 2:13:04Danny Jones?

  What was that?

• 2:13:05Speaker 02

  I want to know what the fuck they saw in there. But like, you know.

• 2:13:12Speaker 02

  There's, it's tough to, like, what do you even know what's real and what's not? From over there in this AI era? We've already seen this with the Ukraine war where we don't know what's real and what's not. Now it's on a whole different level. What's clear is that there's some severe reverberations that are happening around the world that we can see, particularly economically as well, to where it's like, oh man, this isn't going exactly how they planned. Like, what does it look like? I'm not entirely sure. I'm not gonna sit here and say every video I watch, I'm like, that's definitely real. I don't know.

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  Like you were saying, I'm a guy in a seat in America, you know what I mean? I'm not in the fucking situation room, but like, what did Scott see on March 13th when he was pulled out of that meeting? I would love to know, cuz he was fucking spooked. I enjoyed him being a little spooked, by the way. I didn't enjoy what it could possibly mean, though. You know, cuz it could be a litany of things.

• 2:14:02Danny Jones?

  And then he went on to say something about his children going to fight.

• 2:14:06Speaker 02

  He would trust them.

• 2:14:07Danny Jones?

  He would trust his.

• 2:14:07Speaker 02

  He would trust this president.

• 2:14:09Danny Jones?

  To send his daughter.

• 2:14:10Speaker 02

  With his son, I think.

• 2:14:11Danny Jones?

  I think he said daughter, too. I could be wrong.

• 2:14:14Speaker 02

  He's like, my son is coming to the age.

• 2:14:16Danny Jones?

  Who says that?

• 2:14:17Speaker 02

  It was so weird, bro.

• 2:14:18Danny Jones?

  Who fucking says something like that?

• 2:14:19Speaker 02

  He's such a fucking, he's a weirdo. Apparently, isn't he the guy that like knocked out Elon Musk? Like got in a fistfight with him?

• 2:14:27Danny Jones?

  Was that him? That was the guy?

• 2:14:29Speaker 02

  I think it was Scott.

• 2:14:30Danny Jones?

  Bessent?

• 2:14:31Speaker 02

  I know, I didn't see that in him.

• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  He didn't, he doesn't look like he is.

• 2:14:35Danny Jones?

  By the way, did you see that rocket launch yesterday?

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  Bro, I did. I thought everyone was playing in April.

• 2:14:40Danny Jones?

  So did I.

• 2:14:41Speaker 02

  I was like, get the fuck out of here. Then my mom called me about it. I was like, oh, no.

• 2:14:45Danny Jones?

  I would love to know, from NASA, was there a technical reason that they couldn't do it on August, on April 2nd? Like, why did they have to do it on April 1st?

• 2:14:58Danny Jones?

  Other than the most obvious fact is that it's all bullshit. We never went to the moon in the first place.

• 2:15:02Speaker 02

  Well, let's get Jesse Michaels on the case. That's my answer.

• 2:15:07Danny Jones?

  He's the guy, he's tapped in like no one else.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  I know you're out there listening. Go find out, buddy.

• 2:15:11Danny Jones?

  Shout out to Jesse. Find out, find out why they fucking had to do that on April Fools.

• 2:15:15Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:15:17Danny Jones?

  And you see the toilet broke on the rocket, too? They broke the toilet. Now they're fucking flying around in their own shit up there.

• 2:15:22Speaker 02

  The toilet's broke.

• 2:15:22Danny Jones?

  The toilet broke, dude.

• 2:15:23Speaker 02

  They don't have a backup plan for that?

• 2:15:25Danny Jones?

  They're up there in anti-gravity flying around dodging turds.

• 2:15:28Speaker 02

  Oh, those poor people.

• 2:15:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  I mean, it is their lifelong dream.

• 2:15:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What were you looking up? Were you looking up something?

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  Steve's scheming back there.

• 2:15:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, what's this? Oh, no, this is different. This is the fucking, okay, so this guy is saying-

• 2:15:45Speaker 02

  That's not a toilet.

• 2:15:46Danny Jones?

  This guy, no, no, no, this is a different thing. This guy is saying that the fucking astronauts escaped the rocket right before. Look, punch, full screen that.

• 2:15:55Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, no. Oh, no.

• 2:15:59Danny Jones?

  That's the fucking-

• 2:16:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:16:01Danny Jones?

  That's the thing that goes down the zip line.

• 2:16:02Speaker 02

  This is why we can't have nice things.

• 2:16:07Speaker 02

  This is why we can't have, I mean, that could be the janitor about to get forty-seven cruise missiles.

• 2:16:13Danny Jones?

  If you're gonna fake it, you don't have to put them in there in the first place.

• 2:16:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:16Danny Jones?

  Like, nobody knows if they're in there or not. You just, if you're gonna fake it, don't even put them in there.

• 2:16:21Speaker 02

  You don't know.

• 2:16:24Danny Jones?

  But, yeah, I was walking into the grocery store, looking in the sky so I could see the rocket, but there was too many clouds.

• 2:16:31Danny Jones?

  Ten days.

• 2:16:32Speaker 02

  It is crazy, though, Danny Jones. This war's been going on for five, six weeks, five and a half weeks, whatever it is.

• 2:16:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:38Speaker 02

  And they have, it has done the job. It has buried much of the Epstein files, for sure. Dave and I are holding on like-

• 2:16:46Danny Jones?

  Back to the Stone Age.

• 2:16:48Speaker 02

  Like, like fucking Tom, Tom Hanks hanging out on the island clinging to life and fucking, what was that movie with Wilson? Cast Away.

• 2:16:57Danny Jones?

  Cast Away.

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  We're just like one of the last frontiers talking about Epstein. And it's, it's why, because like you knew it when they were, oh, oh, you had to do this right now? Right now?

• 2:17:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:07Speaker 02

  Right when you're in the middle of all this shit and the Dow's below fifty thousand-

• 2:17:12Danny Jones?

  Remember the days- Remember the days when we were worried about just putting the word Epstein in a title?

• 2:17:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, demonetized right away.

• 2:17:20Danny Jones?

  On YouTube.

• 2:17:21Speaker 02

  Right away.

• 2:17:22Danny Jones?

  Full one-eighty.

• 2:17:23Speaker 02

  Oh, by the way, this is one thing I will give the Trump administration huge credit for that still holds to this moment, and when it changes, I'll, I'll shred them. But like, there is no doubt that one of the issues that did see a one-eighty that we can clearly see across most topics at least is open dialogue online.

• 2:17:42Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:17:42Speaker 02

  It has, I'm not just talking X, I'm talking on all the platforms. Like, there are things, Instagram's feed is, is run by things that like, two years ago, what you would have been banned into kingdom fucking come-

• 2:17:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:57Speaker 02

  For putting on, and a lot of it's comedy, by the way, which I like, but, you know, that is certainly, that is certainly one thing that, that has been a positive that I don't- You know, i- if if it's a Kamala Harris administration, I don't think that happens. I don't.

• 2:18:14Danny Jones?

  So the question I was gonna ask you, that's gonna send us down a fucking.

• 2:18:16Speaker 02

  Oh, let's do it.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  Third act, let's go.

• 2:18:22Danny Jones?

  We're two and a half hours into this.

• 2:18:23Speaker 02

  We are?

• 2:18:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:24Speaker 02

  No, we're not.

• 2:18:27Danny Jones?

  What do you make of Steve Bannon the other day saying Netanyahu's kid should get sent to Iran?

• 2:18:37Danny Jones?

  They they took a video of Netanyahu's kid walking around his fucking balcony.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Miami.

• 2:18:40Danny Jones?

  Of his Miami apartment, or fucking whatever.

• 2:18:43Speaker 02

  Like I said, Danny.

• 2:18:44Danny Jones?

  And how sweet.

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Danny Jones, I call it like I see it W. Steve Bannon on that one. And I'm the president, longtime president of the Steve Bannon hate club. But he's 100% right about that. Like.

• 2:18:55Danny Jones?

  No, I know, I know, but it's not, it doesn't, nothing's making sense with this dude. With Steve Bannon, with the things he says publicly and the things that we that we know that he's done and been a part of and people that he's been. Like, all of the emails with him and Epstein, all of his connections to Israel, all of that shit, like, what the fuck is this guy? He's a fucking anomaly.

• 2:19:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we don't need to see it.

• 2:19:18Speaker 02

  It it's a Steve Ben, oh, when I broke the news to Kurt Metzger, this is one thing Kurt actually didn't know. Like, very rare for Kurt Metzger not to know something, but when I broke the news to him that Steve Bannon was like the chief financier for Seinfeld, the hat.

• 2:19:33Danny Jones?

  He didn't know that?

• 2:19:35Speaker 02

  The hat and glasses came off. And he was just like, oh, my God, I can't believe what I'm hearing right now.

• 2:19:42Speaker 02

  I'm re-questioning my whole life. I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't think it affected the content, if we're being fair, but maybe, I don't know. I fucking love Seinfeld, but, you know. Guys like Steve Bannon.

• 2:19:59Speaker 02

  In my opinion,

• 2:20:02Speaker 02

  at least at some, first of all, the start of the opinion is, we don't even know past the ground surface of what it really is. It could be a lot of different things, lot of decision tree possibilities. But at the ground surface, he's a chaos agent. Whatever his end goals are, I don't know. Cause it's, like you said, it's all over the place. One day it's one thing, the other day, it's like, that's a counter narrative. But like-

• 2:20:24Danny Jones?

  What is the purpose of a chaos agent?

• 2:20:28Speaker 02

  I, I genuinely don't mean this to answer it like an asshole, but someone to sow chaos into the conversation, who has a voice at the table of the people that listen that you seek to control. And so with a guy like him, I think if you could just

• 2:20:45Speaker 02

  spread narratives and get people to be religious, like George Carlin was talking about, about these narratives, you can then change them without people knowing, you just turn the dial, like you were saying with the 180. At the drop of a-

• 2:20:58Danny Jones?

  You get them married.

• 2:20:59Speaker 02

  And yes, they'll follow you like a cult leader. And that's the thing. Cult is the root of the word culture, which again, you know, that's kind of stretching, you know, it's like saying like, history is like his story. Man, it's not quite like that as far as I know. Check me in the comments on that. But like, Steve Bannon is a guy who has been obsessed with culture in his whole life and he, he has, he's a very smart guy. I will never take that from him. He's a brilliant, brilliant man. But like,

• 2:21:30Speaker 02

  here's a guy who, one of his main calling card quotes is like, politics is downstream from culture, meaning it's not top down, politics to culture, it's culture to politics. And that led into the era of like Donald Trump winning, which was the prime example of that coming to fruition, where you had the fucking reality TV star, celebrity, real estate guy, winning the highest office in the land. You know? And-

• 2:21:57Speaker 02

  I don't know what the end goals are for that for Steve. I don't know who he works for. I've just always been very confident since I read Henry Abbott's work in 2021. We've discussed this many times.

• 2:22:09Danny Jones?

  We talked this on the first podcast.

• 2:22:10Speaker 02

  Yep. I've been confident and that aged really well, that March 2022 recording you and I did where we talked about this. Like, I just know Steve Bannon is involved with intelligence. I didn't need to see the Epstein files. To know, and again, that's an opinion. Like, it's my opinion, but like, I think now I have a lot of evidence to be even more than I had in the past. To be able to back it up. He finds his tentacles in the middle of everything, everywhere, all at once, over a three to four decade period, perfectly timed, with all different types of things that happen in culture. Happens once, coincidence. Twice, maybe a coincidence. Three times, it's getting interesting.

• 2:22:50Speaker 02

  Four, five, six, seven, 10 times, culminating with you getting an office right next to the Oval Office in the White House as the chief advisor to the president. This is a guy financing Seinfeld 25 years before.

• 2:23:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It's just strange. It's just strange. Like, I told you there was a couple nights when those Epstein files first came out where I was sitting on my laptop, combing through all of the emails on Gmail like I was Game of Thrones. And I read like fucking 300 emails from Bannon. And the first 150 were Epstein just chasing him down. Chase stalking him. Are you gonna be in Miami? Are you gonna be in Lauderdale? Are you gonna be in New York? I'm in New York. Where are you? Can we meet? Can you meet me here? Bannon dodging him, ducking and dodging him at every fucking turn for like the first few hundred emails. For years, like literally, like going out of his way to like Epstein sent him six emails.

• 2:23:47Danny Jones?

  Bannon responds with one, one word email. That's how it was. And like, it doesn't, what's funny? It doesn't make sense. Like, why?

• 2:23:57Danny Jones?

  If he was literally like, if they were that tight and they were working together that much and Epstein was the one that was like in charge and had all this power and was manipulating things.

• 2:24:08Danny Jones?

  Why is Epstein chasing him down? Like, he's some fucking, some prize?

• 2:24:13Speaker 02

  Because I think Epstein is.

• 2:24:17Speaker 02

  This is pure spec right now, as Stephen I say, but I think Epstein saw the potential of the world crashing in on him. I think he saw that the puck might not be going to the corner of the ice that he always thought it would be. And I believe, let's go back to the, what Tucker Carlson described this as, the system of the supra government, supra, S U P R A, I love this.

• 2:24:48Danny Jones?

  Like shadow government.

• 2:24:49Speaker 02

  Yes, but he layered it perfectly.

• 2:24:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:24:52Speaker 02

  You know, the layer of world leaders, like the president, prime ministers of other powerful countries, et cetera, and the leaders of industry who are the ones who directly finance them that we can see. We, you know, society always assumed that was the top layer. And what Tucker was saying is not only is it not the top layer, there's actually two layers above it. The layer at the top is the people who really run the world, the banking families and stuff like that. I think the Rothschilds and the people that are very actually quietly in the shadows financing everything. And then the layer in between them is the fixer class, which is filled with very powerful, very wealthy people who you would think are just floating along in what is the third class,

• 2:25:32Speaker 02

  you know, paying for the politicians or whatever, but really they just work for the top class, the banking class on their behalf. They're the Mike Ermentraut. Walter White thinks he's gone until Mike Ermentraut shows up in his fucking Lincoln Town Car and looks at him like he has 10 heads and says, here's what you're gonna do, Malaka.

• 2:25:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:25:51Speaker 02

  Because he actually works for Gus Fring.

• 2:25:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:25:53Speaker 02

  Who is the banking families, right? So these people live under the illusion that they have power. And so there's people that we can see directly what class they're in, and Epstein clearly was in the fixer class. And then a guy like the president, like Trump is clearly in the third class right there. But then there's other people where it's like, you could make the argument for all three, actually, like a Bill Gates. I can make the argument for each layer. For Bill Gates, I'm not really sure where that lands. Steve Bannon's another one that I'm not. Entirely sure, but I do lean towards he was also in the fixer class.

• 2:26:30Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  And so if he's in the fixer class and Epstein, who's in that class as well, sees the world crashing in on him a little bit. And here's a fixer who, who was riding high at that time. He had just put the guy in the fucking White House. Floating around the world, had a very public name, had a lot of people behind him who would believe anything he said. If I'm Epstein, he's my PR guy. He's a guy I want to get on his side. I'm not playing a left, right game, but I'll use it. If I gotta use it. And you know, this is, this is spec. I don't know, but that to me, that also stood out. Like how he was really trying to get around him and he would brag about this. This, there's a story that got wiped from the internet. There's been a lot of this. We've talked about this before. We talked about it in 2022.

• 2:27:11Speaker 02

  We were on the show. I was talking about how Page Six got wiped in the archives over the years, but there was a story where Epstein. The person writing the story, I think, had interviewed Epstein in 2017 or 2018. I can't remember. Right after the weekend that he spent with Bannon, where he was bragging about going on camera with Bannon for 18 hours. Which now we've only seen what? Two, three, four hours of it? But there's apparently at least 14 to 16 other hours, if probably more than that. But that we know of, that's at least been reported by Jeffrey Epstein in the past with his own mouth. I wish I could find that article. It's gone, but it was there.

• 2:27:47Danny Jones?

  What publication was it?

• 2:27:49Speaker 02

  I don't remember, but I.

• 2:27:51Danny Jones?

  But you remember it was Page Six.

• 2:27:53Speaker 02

  I remember that. That, that's a different, that's a different one. Cause Page Six archives and stuff is related to sightings and people who's hanging around and things like that. The O2 flight time as well. I, I think that article was hidden for a while, but this one was another article. I was reading it four or five years ago. And I cannot for the life of me find it today, but there, there's a email, I think it wasn't a text. I'm pretty sure it was an email. Where Bannon and Epstein are going back and forth once they now have a relationship. To where Bannon says, you have a jihad against you, the likes of which I've never seen, and I've really seen some shit.

• 2:28:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:32Speaker 02

  And now he's clearly talking from a character cleanup, PR perspective with Jeffrey and to me.

• 2:28:42Speaker 02

  I think it was like.

• 2:28:45Speaker 02

  Hmm, what's a good example in the real world among us that I could make here? But it's like when...

• 2:28:57Speaker 02

  Trying to think of like an athlete example? Oh, you know what? It's kind of, it's like this. When an athlete has been really great and they're starting to get a little older and maybe they're losing their fastball a little bit. And their buddies who are from their same era, who are still great or playing on a team. And they're like, you know what? I want to come join your team now. You know, like, kind of like Carmelo went to the Lakers to play with LeBron.

• 2:29:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Or something like that, to try to kind of hang on there. I think that's where Epstein was at. And he viewed Bannon as like a LeBron at that time. And I think he was probably correct to do that. You know, and again, the best I can do is speculate here, but...

• 2:29:39Danny Jones?

  He's got such an interesting history.

• 2:29:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, Steve has been, you want to talk about a Forrest Gump? He has been the Forrest Gump of culture and where culture clashes with political ideology in society since the eighties. And again, shout out to Henry Abbott, who I just recorded with. That episode is probably out now when this is coming out, but I'm not sure. It would be out right around the same time. You know, he had this, man. And you and I have talked about this for years. He had this in 2021. He's the one that really officially full-blown blew the whistle on Steve Bannon for me because he made all these connections. And then there were a couple of connections I was able to make through other people after that as to places Steve Bannon had been. And I was like, holy shit, man.

• 2:30:25Speaker 02

  Like, you don't get into the, all those situations unless you're a part of it. I'm sorry. You don't. And he's not an idiot. The only other explanation is that he's just the most useful idiot of all time who happens to provide value at all these places where he shows up to be a useful idiot. And that's not a good explanation. It's an insult to my intelligence.

• 2:30:46Danny Jones?

  Right. And if he's got so much money, why the fuck is he still doing a daily podcast, talk show?

• 2:30:51Speaker 02

  And totally ignoring this...

• 2:30:53Danny Jones?

  And with Matt Cox running ads in the middle of it.

• 2:30:57Danny Jones?

  Title lock.

• 2:30:58Speaker 02

  Oh, he's just totally. He's totally ignoring the situation.

• 2:31:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:04Speaker 02

  Which is what he's done since.

• 2:31:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he is.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  Since, that's why I brought that up in 2022 with the documentary. I'm like, he brought this out himself and said he's gonna release this big documentary and then now he won't do it.

• 2:31:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  And when people ask about him, he's like, yeah, we're gonna do it eventually. And here we are, four years later, it's the same thing.

• 2:31:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:20Speaker 02

  Ah, we're gonna do it. He's not even saying that anymore.

• 2:31:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:31:23Speaker 02

  It's just gone.

• 2:31:23Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:31:24Speaker 02

  It's like, don't worry about it. Remember that thing I showed you? Look over here now. It's not there anymore.

• 2:31:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  And like, again, like, the people that are still buying that are people that are just lost in, in their ideology and he speaks their language and all that. But this is a master cultural and media manipulator and kudos to the skills, but I've just always, I, I mean, you, I, I've said it for years, I'll air with you, you can vouch for this, I think he's just, he, he, he's not a guy that I am jealous of people that they're in the room with him. I'll put it that way. You know what I mean? Like, I remember you, like, floating like, hey, what if I got Steve Bannon on? I'm like, don't give him my fucking number.

• 2:32:09Danny Jones?

  Well, what happened if you saw him in an elevator?

• 2:32:11Speaker 02

  I, I, I would fucking get off at the nearest floor and go to the, take the stairs. Which I know he's not taking.

• 2:32:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:19Speaker 02

  He don't look like he's taken a lot of stairs in his life.

• 2:32:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah. He seems to be like, he can't pin down like who he works for.

• 2:32:27Speaker 02

  I, I can't, I can't. I've, I've had thoughts before and then it's like, you don't, but again, like, who did Jeffrey Epstein work for? I mean, Dave Smith, I'm not even saying he's right, but he had a great tweet right after this came out where he's like, I used to think Jeffrey Epstein worked for Mossad and now I wonder if Mossad worked for Jeffrey Epstein.

• 2:32:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:32:43Speaker 02

  I don't think it's that simple. I don't think they worked for him, but like, there was a partnership here. And also he had clear involvement more than I previously realized with CIA for sure.

• 2:32:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:53Speaker 02

  I'm very confident in that at this point, that the evidence is showing that. But like, yeah, obviously he had the longest relationship with Mossad and there's something very weird and foul there. And, and I mean, the whole thing's foul, but like, you know. You you don't know if the world is like this thing or that thing and like we've joked about Andy Bustamante always, you know, you know, saying whatever to all this stuff over the years and now he's doing that less publicly even even before like he did this thing on the Discovery Channel where he's going to wildly the other end. We've seen him at least like break with some small foundations which I'll give him publicly over the last year

• 2:33:35Speaker 02

  or so with some things. But like I was talking to him off air when I was out there and I forget how he said it. He said it kind of perfectly, but he was like, you know, so Andy matter of fact about it, but he's like, yeah, the two wildest days at CIA, I'm paraphrasing here, were the day you found out how the world really works and the day you found out how you how you could exist within it. Something like that. And he's like, that first day is a tough day, man. And he kept drinking his coffee and went on and talked about something different like it didn't really affect him. But like, you know, then you hear stories about like John Kiriakou talking about when David Rockefeller comes in to

• 2:34:14Danny Jones?

  Back channel with fucking Saddam Hussein.

• 2:34:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're gonna get a bomb up your, I'm gonna get a bomb up your ass. If you don't come back, you know, and it's like

• 2:34:28Danny Jones?

  Forget history.

• 2:34:28Speaker 02

  There it is, man. There it is. And and again, I've said this a million times like on different podcasts I've recorded, but I'll keep saying it because it needs to be said. There are things in the past that people presented that I thought either didn't have evidence at all or had bad evidence that I now will go to those people and say, I don't even care if you didn't have evidence or not, just like on the surface, you were more right than wrong about that. Or there is at least a good chance or decent chance you're going to be right about some things that I would have previously in my fucking wishful thinking hoped were fucking insane.

• 2:35:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  But like you see these emails, you see him talking about pizza, you see him talking about jerky, see him talking about grape soda.

• 2:35:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:11Speaker 02

  They're not talking about the fucking food. What they're talking about is still up for debate, but it's dark.

• 2:35:15Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  It's dark and it's, I will say it, you want to talk about quacking like a duck, walking like a duck and fucking like a duck. It looks like they're talking about kids and the most disgusting vile beyond

• 2:35:29Danny Jones?

  I think the worst part about it is that, I mean, not just that.

• 2:35:35Danny Jones?

  But the fact that they dumped all that on the public without giving any analysis or explanation of, okay, what was the FBI's analysis of that? What did you guys come to a, what was your conclusion on what was going on here? Not just like, release it with no context, where it's like, there's so much shit now floating around, it's impossible to know what's real and what's fake. And like, now the conspiracies are blending in with reality and it's muddying the water even more. Fucking, Duncan Trussell had a great tweet I saw this morning where he, it was Burchett talking about UFOs and like aliens and shit.

• 2:36:15Danny Jones?

  He's like, "We can't release it right now because if you, if we did, the American public would, they wouldn't be ready. They would lose their grip on reality." And Duncan said, here, here it is. Duncan said, "The whole people will go insane if they know the truth is the most inadvertently condescending excuse for not spilling the beans. At this point, you could reveal we live inside the asshole of a space fish and most people would forget that in a few days. Spit it out. We wanna come, stop edging us." That's true. He fucking nailed it.

• 2:36:47Speaker 02

  He might be right about that. Let me play devil's advocate for a minute on this, cuz it's, I mean, now we're getting to a whole different level, but when you're talking about like aliens and shit like that, now it gets to religious dogma around the world and it gets to can the information-

• 2:37:02Danny Jones?

  No, people will cope with that, bro.

• 2:37:04Speaker 02

  They, they, people will, but what percentage won't? There's something I think about a lot, like, you've recorded hundreds of these, you know what I'm talking about. There's some times where someone will, you'll be in the middle of a random conversation and a guest will say some lines that are, even if it doesn't stick with the people out there, you're in the room and you're like, ooh, whoa, alright, that's interesting. I remember my friend Alex Horowitz in episode 16 said to me, oh, he said it way smarter than this, but this is a guy who was like employee number four at Eight Sleep, he's all the deep inner workings of like the VC world and high level tech, brilliant guy, longtime friend of mine, and he was like, you know, they can simulate these outcomes. We're recording this in 2020. And he's like, "They can simulate an impetus that you put on society."

• 2:37:51Speaker 02

  And say, if we did this, what does the reaction look like? Because they have all of our emotional data from social media. At that point, they already did. They had enough. And maybe some of that was slightly exaggerated. I don't think it's exaggerated now in 2026 with six more years of data and way more AI as well. You know, and so. The devil's advocate Duncan Trussell, who I am inclined to agree with on this point, to be clear. And I want to know, right? And I think we all deserve to know, by the way. But the devil's advocate is that they've simulated that and determined that there will be a mass existential crisis of religion, meaning and God, or whatever around the world.

• 2:38:31Danny Jones?

  That's what Hal Puthoff said. That's what Hal Puthoff said on.

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  And again, like, he's a spooky person. You know, he's someone working from the inner sanctums of government. Tim Burchett is someone who works in government. So you got to take it all with a grain of salt. But like, just because they're liars doesn't mean that once in a while they don't tell the truth. I'd say that about Steve Bannon, too. It's just, it's your best guess and my best guess when they're actually telling the truth. Because it's not that often.

• 2:38:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:38:56Speaker 02

  You know, so. I, but people have just been exposed to so much noise and so much craziness that at this point, we're desensitized to it. And we're talking about people eating kids on islands.

• 2:39:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe, maybe aliens aren't, aren't that bad to talk about now. Because it's like, well, we dealt with that. You know, another fuck all has been done about it. All these no kings protests. All right, fine. Can we get that same energy for like the fucking Epstein victims? Like, come on, man, you know, and. Ah, it's, it's, it's, it's so, it's so frustrating, but. You know, it's, I sit back all the time and I'm like.

• 2:39:41Speaker 02

  Are we all just cattle? And by we, of course, including me, including you, all of us in it, who aren't in those rooms. You know, because if we got a microphone, doesn't make us any different. Are we all just cattle?

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  Maybe. Maybe. And also, what am I going to do about it? Not much. Doing my little part talking about it here.

• 2:40:04Danny Jones?

  I don't know, bro. But this has been fun.

• 2:40:09Speaker 02

  Dude, it's great to be back. It's great to see you. Like, you've been such a great psychiatrist for me. I was saying this on Matt Cox's show as well over the years, because like you understand it, you're in it every day, just like I am, and have been an amazing friend, incredible support system. By the way, people don't see all the shit Danny Jones does without getting attention on it. But like, it's meant a lot to me. You're someone who bet on me really early as well. And like, to come in here and I've seen where you're at, watching it from afar and talking to you every goddamn day, but like to come in here and see it and see your giant shed mansion with all the interiors and your probably $6,000 a month air conditioning bill that happens in here, I'm sure. You know, it's, it's an amazing, amazing thing, man. And I've

• 2:40:54Speaker 02

  just always respected the fact that like, you've done it all completely yourself since day one, like self-made in everything you've ever done. And that is, that is something, I know you're like a really humble guy and you don't ever say that, but like, I talk to people about that all the time who don't know your backstory. I'm like, dude, Danny Jones is it.

• 2:41:14Danny Jones?

  Thanks, bro. I appreciate it. You, uh, you have the best takes on all this stuff. You've been, I think the first day we talked, you asked me about Epstein. So like, so like, it's pretty cool to see you going off on all this crazy Epstein stuff right now at the perfect time, exposing all of it. Like, you're the, you're the de facto, uh, you're my de facto source of news on the Epstein stuff. I'll put it that way.

• 2:41:39Speaker 02

  All right, remember that Boulder assault we talked about?

• 2:41:41Danny Jones?

  You're doing awesome, dude. Super psyched to have you back in here. We'll do it again.

• 2:41:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta come up and do mine.

• 2:41:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I will. I'm afraid to get on a plane right now, to be honest, bro.

• 2:41:51Speaker 02

  Don't travel, you know, like Tim Dillon says.

• 2:41:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we're, we're in a war. Okay, if you want to travel, go to Syria.

• 2:42:00Speaker 02

  And don't come back.

• 2:42:02Danny Jones?

  All right, bro. Thanks again. All right, dog. Thank you.

• 2:42:06Speaker 00

  When you shop Kroger Delivery, you can expect the savings you love and fresh groceries delivered right to your door. From delicious produce to everyday essentials, enjoy the convenience of delivery and the trusted selection you've come to know from Kroger. Because bringing you fresh, quality groceries is what we do best. Right now, enjoy free delivery on orders of $50 or more with your digital coupon. Restrictions apply. See site for details. Kroger. Fresh for everyone.

• 2:42:35Speaker 01

  At Humana, our Medicare Advantage plans are easy to understand and easy on your wallet. Like offering more benefits than you'd get from original Medicare alone. And including dental, vision, and hearing coverage in every plan. And the best part is, every plan has a $0 or low monthly plan premium, which makes it easier to save, too. So this Medicare planning season, plan well with Humana. Learn more at gethumana.com. Humana is a Medicare Advantage HMO and PPO organization with a Medicare contract. Enrollment in any Humana plan depends on contract renewal.