Gaza Ceasefire Lies, SNAP Benefits on the Brink, and Why It All Comes Down to Economics | The Tom Bilyeu Show

What's up, guys? Today, we're diving deep into one of the wildest, most complex moments happening on the global stage right now—everything from the situation in Israel and Gaza, to government shutdowns, SNAP benefits, and even the future of AI, aliens, and societal upheaval. I'm joined by my co-host Drew, who brings the receipts every time and doesn't shy away from asking the tough, uncomfortable questions. Together, we're going to break down the collision of ideology and economics, why power drives decisions on the world stage, and what that means for you and your family. We get into why economic alliances are the only thing that can drive real change—in Israel, in Gaza, everywhere—and how policies and political theater in the U. S. are shaping the way we live. We're talking about everything from the Abraham Accords, to Biden's pardons, to what happens if SNAP benefits run out and the real threats facing American stability. On top of all that, we're tackling the existential question around AI and the future of work, and even asking, is that mysterious object in the sky really an alien ship—or just another shiny rock? By the end of this episode, you’ll walk away thinking differently about power, survival, and the future of technology and humanity—and you’ll know exactly what’s at stake, not just at the policy level, but for your everyday life. If you want to understand how these global and national issues will impact you, this is the episode you cannot afford to miss. If you get value out of this, please hit us with a review—it helps us reach more people like you who want to level up and reach their true potential. I'm Tom Bilyeu, and welcome to Impact Theory. What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Bevel Health: 1st month FREE at https://bevel.health/impact with code IMPACT Linkedin: Post your job free at https://linkedin.com/impacttheory Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact True Classic: Upgrade your wardrobe at https://trueclassic.com/impact Cape: 33% off with code IMPACT33 at https://cape.co/impact Surfshark: Go to https://surfshark.com/bilyeu or use code BILYEU to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! AirDoctor: Up to $300 off with code IMPACT at https://airdoctorpro.com Raycon: Go to https://buyraycon.com/impactto get up to 30% off sitewide. Found Banking: Try Found for FREE at https://found.com/impact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:29Tom Bilyeu?

  The labor market appears to be weakening as AI optimizations are blamed for recent massive layoffs. Brazil has gone to war with drug traffickers inside their own country. And we should find out today if aliens are actually visiting us as 3I Atlas is headed towards Earth as we speak. Drew, how goes it?

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:54Tom Bilyeu?

  I think you're traumatized by what's happening in Israel Gaza.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  You know, it was just, we were celebrating, taking victory laps. We were like, hey, how come he didn't get the peace prize? Where's the peace prize? And then Israel was like, hold my beer, we're not done yet.

• 2:07Tom Bilyeu?

  This one is too fragile. I don't, duh, until.

• 2:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Until like reconstruction begins and all the lines have like moved all the way back, I'm not going to believe it. There's just, this is a microcosm of an ideological battle that is going to play out across a lot more places now than just Israel and Gaza. So yeah, this one's not going away anytime soon.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. For those that are playing catch up right now, IDF soldiers were allegedly attacked in Rafah by Hamas, prompting Benjamin Netanyahu to then launch a series of airstrikes on Tuesday. Israel military, now I'm reading Marjorie Taylor Greene's tweet, Israel's military said Wednesday that the ceasefire was now back on, but after he killed 104 people, including 46 children, according to local health officials. Forty-six children are these not war crimes? And this is her retweeting an Associated Press article. Originally, the account was 60 people killed, but then as death tolls and things started ticking up overnight, we realized that it was closer than the 100. So.

• 3:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. This is, look, what are people trying to get at with the constant, is this war crimes? So when you are wholesale slaughtering people, does it really matter if we call it a war crime or not? The honest answer is, on a global stage, the only thing that matters is do you have power? If you have power, you can do whatever the hell you want, including drop nuclear bombs, which as we know, America has done. And we're the only ones who've done it. So, and yet, you just move forward and you have Trump in Japan, getting along very well with the very people that we dropped these bombs on. So this is a game of power, and I don't say that to diminish

• 3:51Tom Bilyeu?

  any of the moral repugnance of what's happening. I say it in the hopes that people can really start looking at this stuff clear ride, get out of just moralizing and get into, okay, we're in the situation that we're in. And so how do we get to the other side of it? Like really, really, really, when you have the situation that you have, what is the policy? What is the things you want to see people do to actually make all of this go away? And I think the only thing that's going to make this go away is for. The closest thing I've seen is the Abraham Accords to get everybody focused on economic alliances, to get people to understand that you can make life better right now, today for you and your family, that your kids' lives can be way better than yours as measured by economics.

• 4:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And it is the only thing that has worked on a historical timeframe. And when economics collides with religious ideology, you get this intractable problem, or so it seemed. So the progress on the Abraham Accord side is the only thing that is interesting to me. So if you can actually get an Arab police force on the ground in Gaza

• 5:01Tom Bilyeu?

  to get all of this settled down, that to me, and I said this before, that to me would be historic. I don't care who gets credit for it, that would be insanely historic. So fingers crossed that we can actually get to that point. But listen, man, I don't know if you've been watching the footage of the Hamas, presumably Hamas, street soldiers grabbing Palestinians and breaking their legs with pipes. It is so wild to watch. Or the, um, the execution squads, like this is, we're so far from settling this down

• 5:42Tom Bilyeu?

  that unfortunately, I think any sort of surface level piece is a mirage.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  It's sad that we're here. Again, jokes aside, like, we really just want the war to end. So I just hope that we come to a resolution sooner.

• 5:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I want it to end for sure. And I love that you're saying something kind because I even map to myself. I look at this stuff and I see, um, political calculations of, okay, the grand sweeping arc of history, which never tells the story of the individual tragedy. And it- A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. And I really am sort of up at the statistics level looking at this. So it is good that you remind us of the tragedy at the human level. But for us to, for us to make sense of what's happening in this moment, I think it,

• 6:41Tom Bilyeu?

  because it isn't just happening in Israel Gaza, there's a reason, this is a flashpoint. There's a reason what would otherwise be this sort of small, local conflict, has these worldwide implications. Because there are far more people dying in Russia, Ukraine. People just don't care about it the way that they care about Israel Gaza. There are other places in the world where there's far more people dying, even with religious problems. Is it Nigeria that killed over the last 10 years 500,000 Christians? Like, there's, there's plenty of religious and ethnic death happening in the world. But this particular flashpoint just really captures people's imaginations for reasons that we can tease out one by one if people care.

• 7:22Tom Bilyeu?

  But we have to reconcile with this. The, this collision of, you have a Western-style nation in the Middle East that has thrived economically. They have a neighbor that they have oppressed to death because they're afraid that they're going to be attacked, obviously for good reason. But then that also creates more people that want to attack them. And so you've got this situation that people rightly liken to the end of slavery, where it's like, well, we kind of fucked these people over for a really long time. And if we give them their freedom, aren't they just going to come and attack us?

• 8:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, how you get this one to end well, when on top of that setup, because that obviously isn't how things played out at the end of slavery. They went about their economic business and were like, okay, cool. We've got our freedom, let's actually do something with it. Then, what you see now is, there isn't, from Hamas, I cannot speak in any way, shape or form about the general Palestinian people. I just don't feel like I know enough. But from Hamas. They have an ideological battle that they're waging and they're not going to let it go. So now it becomes, are you actually going to be able to broker peace?

• 8:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Without what I think is going to play out, I think a consortium of Arab states are going to come in with a police force and hammer the living shit. Out of Hamas and however much that spills into the average Palestinian that may or may not be supporting them. So that Israel isn't the one doing it and so that the Arab world can be like, hey, we have to march into the 21st century. The, the oil dollars are going to run out. We have to be something else. And if we don't have stability, if we cannot attract capital, then we're going to be dealing with this forever. We've played the clip before, so I'll just summarize it here.

• 9:22Tom Bilyeu?

  But there was a guy in like the cabinet of either the UAE or I forget exactly what nation state. But in the Middle East and he says, listen, Europe, you guys are going to give birth to the next set of Islamist extremists. It's not going to be us because we understand what this is. You guys don't. And I thought that was extremely prophetic. He said that like back in 2013 or something. I mean, it was a while ago. And so.

• 9:52Tom Bilyeu?

  I really believe that the general vibe, very complex, but the general vibe in the Middle East is, okay, we've got a, we've got to diversify economically. And that desire to diversify economically, to become a stable place where capital flows into, to get capital investments from around the world. The country that see, the country that attracts the most foreign capital wins. And so it isn't just about getting the capital from within your own country. You've got to, you've got to show stability. You've got to show a willingness to let people make money. You've got to show that you're economically powerful. And they've got this just glowing problem between Israel and Gaza.

• 10:33Tom Bilyeu?

  And I don't think they're coming down on the side of Israel. I think they're coming down on the side of economics. And so if they can challenge that as a, not going to be a united force, but as a loosely aligned consortium.

• 10:48Tom Bilyeu?

  If they can make a stand there, make a stand against Iran. Okay, religious fundamentalism, that's really the stance. Then I think you can make progress. If you don't do that, you will be in this death loop forever, forever.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, we shall see. And speaking of death loop, I feel like we are amidst that we have to talk about this government shutdown. And more importantly.

• 11:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Are we really saying the community had nothing to say about all that?

• 11:14Speaker 01

  It's a developing story, so I wanted to just make sure we acknowledge the elephant in the room. That is Benjamin Netanyahu. But of course.

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• 13:49Speaker 01

  I feel like that's what we've done in Middle Eastern and other regime changes. We're trying to do that in Venezuela right now.

• 13:53Tom Bilyeu?

  It never works and they shouldn't do it in Venezuela either. Cause here's what happens, you, you have a problem. These people are bottom up leaders. They're not top down. You, you don't have Benjamin Netanyahu as a person who creates the problem. You have a problem and Benjamin Netanyahu rises to the top in that moment. In the same way that Trump is not some tremendous leader that has moved us into a popular populist era. He is a populist leader that could only come to power in a moment like this. And so, once you understand a moment like this is the thing to focus on. Like what are all the underlying things that drive this? This is why it drives me nuts when people aren't talking about the economic problems.

• 14:38Tom Bilyeu?

  I feel so sad. This is as close as I'll be able to give people more outrage.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Okay. So Scott Jennings was on CNN yesterday talking about the Oversight Committee's report. So the GOP led Oversight Committee has released a report that's saying they are pushing to void all of Biden's pardons. Because they were done by Autopen and they're saying that because they were done by Autopen, they don't trust that he knew about the pardons that were happening.

• 15:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Some of the testimony, I don't know if you've watched any of the testimony. Pretty damning. In a sense of? That Biden really didn't know. He was like, okay, go ahead. You got it. No, that they weren't even asking him. Some of the people in the testimony, they were like, how often did you see Joe Biden? Be like, uh, I saw him like, I think twice in my tenure. What? What? So, uh, yeah, it was very startling. But yeah, let's play this.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  Of auto pens has existed in every presidential administration across parties. I had an auto pen when I worked at ICE.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, Elliot Williams.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  Elliot Williams literally had an auto pen.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  You were important enough to have an auto pen. I'm so impressed.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  I am important, Casey. But no, it, uh, um, and so it's a common practice.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  Did you allow people to use the name Elliot Williams without your knowledge of the document or what was on the page?

• 15:54Speaker 02

  I don't recall. So.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  I'm asking you, if you were a government official and you had an auto pen, which you did, would you let some staffer sign things in your name without reading?

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, here's the question. Here's the question. Was my authority delegated to that person? And I think they do have the authority to do so. Laws and regulate, and I'm serious, Scott, laws and regulations.

• 16:11Speaker 04

  The authority to delegate pardons and executive orders, the President of the United States can say, you unelected staffer can go sign my name on a document that I've never seen for a decision that I've never made?

• 16:23Speaker 02

  Quite often, the United States code delegates authority. So through the President.

• 16:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Pause for a sec. Honestly, shout out to CNN for having differing views. It's very interesting to see these guys argue this stuff. Uh, I do enjoy that. But the, so they're gonna go back and forth and Scott just keeps basically saying like, there's no way you can't delegate these kinds of things. Um, the real argument to me is far less interesting about the auto pen itself and is far more, did Biden actually want these pardons to happen? And just going back to the principle of whatever you do to them, they are going to do to you when you lose power. So these boys and girls just need to be very thoughtful. Do you really want to go undo the power of the presidential

• 17:13Tom Bilyeu?

  pardon so that now all of these things are being fought? Um, I don't think we do. So I would much rather like, hey, if we really don't think Biden did these, then get him, talk to him directly, put him under oath, and just say,

• 17:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Did you want to pardon all these people? And he is, of course, going to say, yes, of course I did. Great. Is it a cover story? Probably. But will I take it to move forward so that we don't find ourselves in this stupid political battle? Yes. And I just really can't understand how these guys cannot look forward into the future and go, oh, God, they're going to weaponize this against us. There's so much of the government that just operates on decorum, what all call British common law. So the whole idea behind common laws, there's just some things that everyone just sort of does. Like, well, this is how we've done it. And you can update it and you can put something on the books and say, okay, we may have done that, but like this doesn't make sense anymore, new law. But that way, things stand the test of time.

• 18:14Tom Bilyeu?

  And I know, like, even in an entrepreneurial context, I will beat people to death and say, just because you've always done it that way does not mean you should do it that way in the future. But from a law perspective, seeing that some things have withstood the test of time is very useful. So when these guys seem to be totally ignorant of that fact, not everything is on the books. A lot of it is just, we all agree that we don't do that thing. And they start, like, tearing all of that stuff apart. Things will get unhinged very fast.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. I like, when I seen this on the dot, I was like, okay, let me like dig into it. Maybe there's something I'm missing. But I do kind of agree. I feel like this is a delegation thing. Now, of course, I'll use our specific example. Like, when people want to come on the show, I get thousands of pitches, like, hey, I'll be perfect for a Tom show. And it's a dude that sells supplements. I don't necessarily need to go, hey, Tom, do you need like, should I? I kind of have a good gauge of like, yes, no. And I know from their perspective, they're like, oh, this dude is gatekeeping. If I could just get around him, I'll be fine. Now, at the same time, we have this conversation. I can't just add people to your calendar either. So it's not like I get free reign. But I do think we. We have to, we have to assume that President Biden, in good faith, just like President Trump,

• 19:25Speaker 01

  when he signed in executive orders, I might not know, is this executive order 145 dash one about, oh, this is the one about the border, right, that we talked about? Okay, cool. I don't need to go line for line. It's kind of assuming that the people I put in power are setting me up for success. So I agree that like, I don't think that this is the hill that they want to die on. So I'm hoping that this is just a slow news day talking point and not something they're actually trying to do.

• 19:47Tom Bilyeu?

  They're really gonna push this one. The DOJ is gonna bring charges for sure. This is one where I think there are certain things that shouldn't be delegatable. Pardons is one of them. Cause it, I think in the constitution, it says like, only the executive can do it. So it's very clear about that. But there are many things that, yeah, of course, auto pen, somebody else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I trust you. Just do it. Like, that kind of thing is fine for like, the lower level stuff. But pardons.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  And because we physically signed 600 documents. I think it was 1600 pardons that Biden did or something like that.

• 20:26Tom Bilyeu?

  That comes down to like, how are we gonna use the auto pen? Like, is there one thing where it's put in front of Biden that says, I authorize these 1600 names to be auto pen? And then you at least sign that. So you've got some documentation. I'd be all for that.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 20:41Tom Bilyeu?

  But we're at the point now where I think it makes sense to get Biden under oath and just have him say, yes, I wanted all those people pardoned. And then everybody calm the fuck down and let the pardon stand. You can be as mad as you want, but otherwise, we're just going to turn the Democrats and the Republicans into increasingly violently opposed forces. And they will just come at each other nonstop. And then fewer and fewer people will want to enter the government because you just feel like, yo, this is dangerous, man. I don't want to go to jail. Like, I don't want the other side taking something that I did in good faith, but we ended up like handling the paperwork wrong. And now they can put me away. And everyone would agree this should be charged as a misdemeanor,

• 21:24Tom Bilyeu?

  but instead they're doing a felony and getting a max sentence. Like, that is not a world we want to live in, man. Ye gads.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Ye gads.

• 21:34Tom Bilyeu?

  And here's the thing, do the people saying he will lie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. I get that. I'm fine with that. I just, we need a way to heal and move forward, as cheesy as that sounds. So if he's gonna stand by it now, great.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  What do you think is gonna happen with SNAP benefits right now?

• 21:54Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that the thing I'm going to learn is how SNAP benefits are actually being used. The people that are using it to eat are rightly going to make a whole lot of noise. And people will rightly be mortified that our government is willing to play these kind of dumb ass games.

• 22:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Are we also going to find out that there's a whole lot of bullshit in the SNAP benefits doubling in the last five years? Probably. And so I'll be very interested to see what that's about. Is it about immigrants? Is it about people getting more than they were previously being allocated?

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Or it might be about a pandemic that happened in

• 22:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, but why, why do you, and I'm really asking because I don't know. Why did that double the expenditure and not come down now that things have re-normalized?

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Over five years. So it didn't double, like, you know.

• 22:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Just like we lost 25% of our purchasing, but like, those are tied to each other.

• 23:01Tom Bilyeu?

  But that would account for 25%. What do you think is the other 75%?

• 23:09Tom Bilyeu?

  So if you're just saying, no, no, no, Tom, that's just inflation. Cool. I totally buy that 25% of it. But I don't, it's not gonna be 100% of the increase. So what accounts for the other 75% of the increase?

• 23:23Speaker 01

  So there is

• 23:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Over such a short amount of time.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  There was increased benefits, full stop. There was supply chain issues also.

• 23:30Tom Bilyeu?

  But why did we increase benefits?

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Because people weren't working. Because the government was shut down.

• 23:36Tom Bilyeu?

  So you're saying

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Because nobody could go

• 23:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Before it was like supplemental, now it's like, we're just gonna cover your whole thing.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  There was, there were temporary like bumps in the unemployment SNAP benefits and

• 23:47Tom Bilyeu?

  So you're saying this is a

• 23:48Speaker 01

  And healthcare subsidies, all those things were

• 23:49Tom Bilyeu?

  This is an echo of the labor force.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Echo of the labor force from COVID shutdowns, yes.

• 23:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Mathematically, that's not gonna get you very far. So you've got the total all in everything unemployment number, even people that are just, I flat refuse to look for a job, is 12%. So, and how, but that's like Risen from whatever.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but people, people think if you have SNAP, you're not working. There's people who work who are still qualified.

• 24:15Tom Bilyeu?

  What I just heard you say is the increase is due to a corresponding decrease in the amount that those people are getting paid from a job, whether they've lost hours, lost their job altogether, inflation, right? Or did I misunderstand what you're saying?

• 24:32Speaker 01

  There were, let's just break it down into tiers. So COVID, full stop, if you are impacted by.

• 24:37Tom Bilyeu?

  What does COVID mean to you?

• 24:39Speaker 01

  The shutdown in economic activity.

• 24:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Ended years ago, so what are we talking about?

• 24:44Speaker 01

  But from 2000, but again, we asked, what happened in the last five years?

• 24:47Tom Bilyeu?

  This is, I think we have a different graph in our minds. So the graph in my mind, which we can pull up, I think we grabbed it. It spikes up at COVID and it comes down a little, but not a lot. And so I'm saying if this were COVID, it would just come back down to pre pandemic levels. It doesn't.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  This is the SNAP. I don't, I don't even.

• 25:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Expenditure graph.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Let's look it up. SNAP expenditure graph.

• 25:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Yup.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  But yes, they increased all the, they increased the benefits over COVID. And then those, these are the same thing with the ACA subsidies that they're arguing about. It was a COVID temporary relief that people now don't want it to, they don't want to resent that temporary subsidy.

• 25:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so do you think they should? And I'm just misunderstanding.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  I'm saying this is where it comes from. You asked me where it came from.

• 25:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah. So I'm saying as we look at this, what, what I'm asking is you've got people that got an increase in benefits. To me, you should only get an increase in benefits if you are going to be malnutritioned without an increase in benefits. And then we go, okay, why are you not able to afford food? I think this should all be means tested, which I know people hate, but just seems insane to me that we don't means test.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  So what do you mean by means test?

• 25:59Tom Bilyeu?

  That you have to qualify. Like, are you looking for a job? Why are you not able to get a job? How much are you getting paid at your job? Could you?

• 26:06Speaker 01

  That's like, there's an application for Snap. It's the same thing with like unemployment. How you have to like file, then you have to like, you get assigned it. I can't just go to snap.com.

• 26:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, but so my direct statement is very simple. If we took people's benefits up because during COVID, they were literally without work. I get that.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Copy.

• 26:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Now that things have normalized.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  You have to reapply.

• 26:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I would expect them all now to have jobs again. So the question becomes, are they proving that they're looking for a job? That they have a reason that they're not able to get a job, so on and so forth. That's not the one that I'm thinking of, but if that paints the clear picture, it just looks like that ends in 22. We need one that ends in 24.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Snap, it's Spanish, it's graph.

• 26:50Tom Bilyeu?

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• 27:57Speaker 01

  Yes. Boom boom, it spikes for 2020.

• 28:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Pure insanity. I, I don't see, like, someone would need to explain to me why the 2025 trend is not back to 2019. There's a reason, but I want to know what it is. So anyway, this was all, what do I think is going to happen when SNAP defaults? I think we're going to find out why that number hasn't come back down. And if it's a whole bunch of bullshit, meaning if immigrants are on SNAP, people are going to have something to say about that. If it's people that aren't being means tested, people are going to have something to say about that. If it's people, some percentage selling their SNAP benefits because they are getting, let's say, $3,000 worth of SNAP benefits,

• 28:39Tom Bilyeu?

  but they only need $1,000 to eat, then rumor has it, some percentage between one person and a whole bunch, which I have no idea, are selling their SNAP. So these are all the things that we're going to find out. Or it's all entirely need-based, and so many people have lost their jobs, the economy is collapsing, and it's just revealing the underlying rot, and it's the canary in the coal mine. I don't know the answer. So that's what we're going to find out. Now, if it's, this is just the canary in the coal mine, the government has fucked up so badly that something like 40% of Americans are on benefits?

• 29:19Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like, yo, you have, you have a catastrophic problem if 40% of people are on benefits. That's wild. So we need to fact-check that. We need to look at that, because it, I might be conflating 40% are on government payroll, which could also be true. Both of those are wildly problematic. But anyway, that's what we're going to learn. And then there will be a reaction from that.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  I want to go to this Peter St. Arch clip, who says that the shutdown could last to 2027, because unlike past shutdowns, there's not a debt ceiling scare that's around the corner.

• 29:57Tom Bilyeu?

  This was crazy. Had you ever contemplated this? I had no, this was not on my being-go card.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  I'm going to be honest, this is the longest shutdown since Trump did it the last time, and because he wants to slash government anyway, to me, Republicans have no incentive to open a government again.

• 30:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Now that their poll numbers going up, but it, I, failure of imagination. I did. Let, let him say what he's going to say, and then I'll explain how shocked I was.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  The government shutdown could theoretically last until 2027, according to Zero Hedge Dare We Dream.

• 30:25Speaker 05

  As the federal shutdown enters day 28, we are just one week shy of the record set back in 2018, when Trump wanted a border wall and Democrats wanted new voters. Republicans ended up surrendering on that one with not one penny for the wall, but this time, amazingly, Republicans have held the line. This is probably because polls are showing the shutdown is not actually hurting Republicans. In fact, their odds in the midterm elections, which is the most important thing in Washington right now, have actually gone up since the shutdown began, now hitting 40%. That's pretty impressive considering the party in power has won midterms just three times since 1934. Yet, here we are, near even after four weeks of shutdown.

• 31:08Speaker 05

  Now, the polling suggests mainstream media has lost their mojo while Trump has been very careful to keep funding everything popular, so the military, ICE, WIC for pregnant women, while starving all the left-wing garbage, the foreign aid, money holes for New York subways and wind farms, food stamps for illegals. So there's little pressure for Republicans to cave. They win by doing nothing, which, to be fair, is already their comfort zone. And that takes us to Zero Edge, who asks, "How long can it keep going?" Now, the key is, most path shutdowns were paired with a debt ceiling, which makes markets panic about treasury payments, which are the lifeblood of our Ponzi financial system. But the next debt ceiling doesn't hit until mid-2027.

• 31:52Speaker 05

  That removes the external pressure to cut a deal. So if the world's not ending, if markets aren't even noticing the shutdown, if Republicans are rising in the polls while Democrats are afraid of their Antifa base, nobody needs a deal. In theory, this means they can literally keep going until 2027. So for fun, what if they do? For starters, 2027 is far past these 61 days needed to permanently fire federal workers. The Office of Management and Budget has already officially fired roughly 10,000 and can keep going to, in theory, all 750,000 who are officially listed as useless.

• 32:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, if they do that, that would be...

• 32:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Be transformative from a cost perspective. I'm not gonna lie, I'm kinda for it. I don't know enough about what the unessential worker or non-essential workers do to just pull that trigger willy-nilly, but this is, watching this was the first time I was like, wait, do I actually have hope of a balanced budget?

• 32:53Tom Bilyeu?

  So, again, I don't know that that would come even close. You probably can't get anywhere near what you need to get to without touching entitlements, but I was like, hold on a second. Cause first of all, counting this as, counting government jobs as GDP is so insane. That is patently ridiculous. That is patently ridiculous. It's wild. You're double counting because those are just tax dollars going out again and you're counting it again? Like, you're literally double counting revenue. That's insane. So, you shut that off, you stop pretending, you get a real sense of where your economy is, which I think will be startling to people about how slow

• 33:37Tom Bilyeu?

  our growth actually is.

• 33:40Speaker 06

  What would be the impact of that, of the GDP thing? Cause I think that would-

• 33:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That would be purely psychological because it is, it's, you're double counting the revenue from a GDP perspective.

• 33:49Speaker 06

  So we find out our GDP is negative for the last 20 years.

• 33:52Tom Bilyeu?

  It's probably not negative, but it'll be very low. Yeah. So, let's say you find out that you thought it was whatever we think it is, 2.8 or 1.8, maybe it's 1.8 right now. And you find out that it's like 0.4, it would be like, ooh, we are stagnant. We have been stagnant, like, cause then you start running all the numbers going backwards and saying, okay, if we took out all the governmental expenditures, what does that look like? And you start realizing, oh my God, like, this is a ridiculously low number. That would be very, very detrimental to the psychology of the US, but I think it would help people understand why we are where we are. Dude, real wages have stagnated for like 40 years. That's insane. Especially when

• 34:37Tom Bilyeu?

  you think about how much inflation there's been in the, yeah, America's just been getting poorer and poorer and poorer. And the part that really wounds my soul, and they don't understand it's from money printing. They just don't understand it. Money printing, globalism. If you like, a one-two punch, and if you can only do one, money printing.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  Like if you can only fix one, you'll fix money printing over the global.

• 35:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Hypothetically speaking, I know we talked about this number earlier that estimates forty percent of people are employed by federal and like government. I'll say federal and state. I'll put combine those numbers together. Let's say we slash that to twenty percent. That is roughly sixty million people.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  On top of the other million AI job losses that is kind of on the.

• 35:25Tom Bilyeu?

  That this is where it gets scary.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Is you now run the risk of putting yourself into a deep, dark depression.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:33Tom Bilyeu?

  From just all the job loss.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Because whether that's recycling tax dollars or not, that's money that people have to put into the economy. There are two economies now in America. They have completely fractured away from each other. And basically, rich people are driving all of the spending. And you can look at our economy and go, oh, like, hey, one point eight. Okay, that's not great, but it's not horrible. And then you start looking under the hood and you realize that that one point eight is largely fake because of people working for the government. And then on top of that, it's driven by like, a tiny number of companies. The spending is driven by a tiny number of people. It's like ten percent of Americans are driving, I don't know, eighty percent or more of the spending. Yikes. Dude, you can't have

• 36:21Tom Bilyeu?

  that. You can't. You can't have it simply because of envy and resentment.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, there's not a complex mathematical formula about why you can't have it. You can't have it because we as animals cannot look out at somebody else that has way more than us, where the economy is working for them, and be okay. We won't be okay. We'll start fighting. We start hurting other people. Like, that's the response. And when you get a mass number of people mobilizing to hurt other humans, you have instability, lack of safety. It is a nightmare of epic proportions.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Speaking of killing people, let's go over to the UK now, where we have footage of an Afghan man attacking a, that was terrible.

• 37:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Thoughts and prayers.

• 37:05Tom Bilyeu?

  That, yeah, no kidding. Also, by the way, this is extremely graphic. So if you've got kids or you're squeamish, you don't want to watch this. This one's rough. But here we go.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Um, this was reported, uh, yesterday. And as you can see, there's a

• 37:24Tom Bilyeu?

  This is broad daylight.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Squabble.

• 37:26Tom Bilyeu?

  A squabble?

• 37:27Speaker 01

  And

• 37:28Tom Bilyeu?

  From what I heard, he doesn't know this guy at all.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  I thought they were, they look like they were yelling at each other.

• 37:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Literally just walking his dog and he, they must argue about something. I have no idea what, but this guy stabbed him to death, just stabs him to death. I'm talking, if you're not watching,

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Sheesh.

• 37:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Overhand, I mean, what's he get him 12, 15 times? This, this is not like poke and run off.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 37:49Tom Bilyeu?

  He is just stabbing the literal life out of this man in broad daylight. This is so wild. And he goes on to attack a couple more people. Now, look, I don't know, mentally ill, could be. Uh, but this obviously in a country where you're inviting a whole lot of immigrants in that do not share your values and you give them a spark like this. Buckle up. We'll see, man. We'll see.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  And then Elon Musk retweeted civil war in Britain is inevitable, just a question of when.

• 38:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Um, I feel like there's this similar notion of civil war. I don't know if this is just another example of populism. We need somebody to blame.

• 38:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:37Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, that's a, that, that is like, if you're going to nutshell it, when people are economically insecure, then that economic insecurity turns into, um, it starts as anxiety. Nobody wants to sit in that. So they transmute it into anger. And then when you actually have a real problem, then it becomes easy to point people at that. And the real problem is very simple. Uh, you have a clash of cultures. I don't need you to believe one side is right over the other. I just need you to understand that the physics of the human mind is that when you encounter people that don't share your value system, uh, you start killing each other. So, and just to make that one easy for people, uh, Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, they were all white as the driven snow and they were killing each other as fast as they could.

• 39:23Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, when ideologies differ, people start killing. So, uh, welcome to the human experience.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Um, there's a clip I want to pull from the Rudyard Temple interview, uh, because he asked him this question, does he see civil war? And I like Rudyard's response because I think this is something

• 39:40Tom Bilyeu?

  It's surprising.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, this was something that we always overthink. Um, The, the part I'm talking about though is when he was like, I don't think that this will do it because

• 39:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, same.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:49Tom Bilyeu?

  I thought he was gonna be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like, well, so it's a very tempered and very insightful response.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it comes from basically intimation, cuz my search is not working and YouTube is hating.

• 40:01Tom Bilyeu?

  That's fun.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Um, you can, you can, uh, cut it. Um, well, it comes to intimation that, um, poor people in America specifically, they were talking about in the, on the backs of Snapocalypse. They won't rise up for a civil war because effectively they have no power. They don't have the same infrastructure, they don't have the same guns as a private. Now, America has very specific people. If Elon Musk is wronged, he has enough money to get a bunch of mercenaries. He could do battle with the US Army, you know?

• 40:26Tom Bilyeu?

  He, he may, yes.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Not, not directly, but at least, yeah.

• 40:29Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll give, I'll try to get very close to verbatim.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, when Tim Poole asks Rudyard Lynch, AKA What If Alt-Hist, if he thinks that the Snapocalypse, as some people are calling it, the end of the Snap benefits, will cause a revolution in America, he said a couple of points. One, it's very hard to starve in America. Uh, so because people won't necessarily be hungry enough, they won't have the, enough agitation. Then, um, also, the only times that you see actual revolutions are when you have a group that is, um, politically savvy and influential enough to actually get well organized. And then, like, really cause a meaningful problem to the government.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And he said, this is why a lot of times you will see, um, when people are trying to hold power in like a communist regime, they'll just kill all of those people. And so unfortunately, when like the Shah of Iran took power, he killed like thirty thousand leftists. So the very people that helped get him into power ended up being a threat to him cuz he saw, oh, you guys were so well organized, you got me here, but you also don't believe the things that I believe. And so now, I've gotta kill you guys. Uh, so killed, uh, like thirty thousand and exiled a bunch more. And that's how he gained power. So, um...

• 41:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, if you're not well organized, and that's the next part of his argument, is if you're just poor, unorganized, working person, you can't generate enough momentum to actually do something meaningful. You can sort of, what was the Occupy Wall Street of it all? They didn't have, they didn't know what they wanted. They didn't have one clear agenda. There was no one clear leader. And so their energy just dissipated over time. So without that very concrete, well organized, very clear agenda, you're not gonna do anything big.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you, so does that, to me, that gave me a bit of relief because, because there was a lot of, the snap, this is gonna happen and people are gonna freak out and they're gonna riot and they're gonna do all these things. Where it's like, yes, they might do those things, but is that the equivalent to a BLM? No Kings protest? I don't think it's actually gonna get to National Guard. Trump needs to intervene.

• 42:47Tom Bilyeu?

  The snap thing.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, on the result of the snap thing.

• 42:50Tom Bilyeu?

  My, I, the only way I can answer the snap thing is it's so rare that something really pops off. I don't think we're there yet. But that's not necessarily specifically because I have a whole set of facts and I'm looking at it. I'm just saying, nah, from a historical perspective, like those kind of things, it's rare that they actually end up popping off. And we're not at the 30% unemployment. There isn't enough focused like this person. The closest thing, even during 2020, when you had the flashpoint of very specifically, we're all locked down, we're all freaked out. We don't know if we're safe. We don't know what our economic future looks like.

• 43:32Tom Bilyeu?

  And we think the government is killing underserved people. Then it's like, okay, you really had a chance for things to properly pop off. And even then, it like, don't get me wrong, it was bad. But it wasn't revolution, civil war bad. So if that didn't spill us over. We're in a better position now than we were in 2020, so.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, I think it's gonna be worse. I think it's going to be a slow painful death versus a revolution. And I'm saying this-

• 43:59Tom Bilyeu?

  You'd rather see a revolution?

• 44:01Speaker 01

  It's not that I'd rather see a revolution. It's just that I don't think we have the juice for a revolution, to be honest with you, because I think a lot of this bold rhetoric is YouTube and internet talk. And when you get face to face with somebody, your courage is a lot different.

• 44:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Is that a good or a bad thing in your mind?

• 44:14Speaker 01

  That-

• 44:15Tom Bilyeu?

  That we don't have enough juice for a revolution?

• 44:17Speaker 01

  I think for a bloodiness perspective, it is good. Uh, the comma however part comes into the, we aren't collaborative enough to come around the corner of it, though. Because I don't think that that's also gonna then lead to a kumbaya moment. Kinda like we had civil war, because we don't have the, okay, guys, no more slaves. We're all friends now. Let's hug it out. I don't think there's gonna be a time where like, okay, guys, let's hug it out. No more illegals. We're friends now. Or, okay, let's, let's just split the difference. Fifty fifty tax. Everybody's good now. Let's hug it. Like, I don't see a common ground for the right and the left right now. Even if everybody kinda tried to meet in the middle of their policies, because we're so sprung out.

• 44:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, revolutions almost always lead to tyranny. It is beyond shocking what we pulled off in America. I mean, beyond shocking. That we were able to get the states, which were essentially separate countries at that point, all together to rebel in unison and then to actually, and it wasn't immediately after, uh, like a decade after, we get them to ratify the constitution of the US. Very impressive. Very impressive. And I don't know, man. I don't know if it was just that particular moment in time. Like, I got hit up by somebody who was basically like, uh, Tom, there's gonna need to be a second founding of the country and we need voices like you.

• 45:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And I was like, yeah, this is not real.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  You wanna go to, uh, Freedom Papers?

• 45:43Tom Bilyeu?

  I would, but I don't-

• 45:43Speaker 01

  What's the convention that, uh, the Hamilton, not the, where he did the Freedom Papers? It was the Federalist Convention or something?

• 45:49Tom Bilyeu?

  No. God, if, it's one of those where if I didn't have to say it out loud, I would know exactly what it was.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Anybody know that? Anybody watch Hamilton?

• 45:55Tom Bilyeu?

  The convention.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  The convention that they had to go to?

• 45:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  In the chat?

• 45:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Chat's gonna tell us. Chat's gonna tell us.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  We'll get there.

• 46:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so, yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Um, alright, let's, um-

• 46:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I, I don't think we're at that point. I don't think we could agree. I think if we had a revolution in America right now, it would end up like the Arab Spring. Just so many people pulling in different directions that you just end up getting the most tyrannical person that can hold everybody together, taking back power.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Sounds like Trump if we had to.

• 46:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Would he be able to?

• 46:25Speaker 01

  With all the paper, with all the players right now.

• 46:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Shoot a bunch of people, like if the military rocked with him and he could get him to shoot people, yes. But if the military broke away, no.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Constitutional convention. Thank you, guys. That was so easy, too. We dropped the ball on that one.

• 46:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, we did. Thank you, Chuck.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  We gotta talk about this AI leading job markets. These are a lot of people.

• 46:43Tom Bilyeu?

  A lot. A lot, and it's, we're not at the beginning anymore, but Amazon, the odds that they do some approximation of the 600,000 that they're rumored to be letting go by 2033. It's very high, very high.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  And I feel like right behind Amazon is gonna be Walmart, it's gonna be Target, because they have the same warehouses, they do the same automations. They're just waiting for the test dummy to kind of prove this, like, proof of content.

• 47:10Tom Bilyeu?

  See how much backlash they get.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Exactly. So, we're seeing a lot of these things happening.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  I am 100% grateful for entrepreneurs.

• 47:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  And I look at this example a lot, because if you're, yes, there are now 20 something odd people that have jobs and families and all types of things. So, God bless the entrepreneurs, all that stuff. However, that ratio, if we had to extrapolate that, can we, can that be sustainable enough? Because right now it seems like the job losses are coming in waves, faster than new companies are coming into practice. So I feel like we're starting to hit a net negative. Not to mention the government employees, that if Trump gets his way with this federal shutdown that we talked about, that he hired, like, let's go even more people, we can really see a substantial number of people who had, quote unquote, nine to five safe jobs, now being unemployed with jobs that don't exist no more in industries that are fading away quickly.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  What is there to do?

• 48:07Tom Bilyeu?

  True, this, this one is legitimately scary because I, the way that I play this out in my mind is as follows. Every revolution that we've had previously technologically created more jobs than it got rid of. So, nobody should cry for the lamplighter, although I'm sure there was legitimate human tragedy in a guy could feed his family one day and couldn't the next. And his wife ends up leaving him because he can't make ends meet and she finds a guy that can. And I mean, just like all of it and he loses his kids and he becomes an alcoholic. I'm sure all of that is true, but the reality is that you have to distribute the pain and suffering. So, when you try to make sure that nobody can fail, you just stagnate society and then everyone fails.

• 48:49Tom Bilyeu?

  So, you're in a position where you have to just say, there's going to be creative destruction. Electricity comes along, lamplighters go out of business, automobiles come along, horse and carriage, all that stuff goes away. And it just is what it is. And historically, more jobs got created by electricity than we lost. So, cool, this is a net win. We're all moving in the right direction, industrial revolution, same with all that stuff. And then I think about what's going on with the AI revolution and I go, huh. You're creating something that's going to be better than me at everything. It will, on a long enough timeline, be indistinguishable from humans to where you'll be tricked. You'll have a friend and it'll be like the crying game.

• 49:33Tom Bilyeu?

  And you, uh, you're having sex and you can feel a bolt inside. I mean, it's literally going to be some shit like that and you're like, wait. And we're going to get the, the, what are they called? The convoy machines or whatever from, um, oh God, it's not cyberpunk. It is Blade Runner. And that's all going to happen. And so I'm like, okay, these things are going to be not a little bit smarter than me. Not like Einstein is smarter than me, smarter than me, like a thousand times smarter than me, 10,000 times smarter than me. And embodied. So now I'm like, what do I do exactly?

• 50:15Tom Bilyeu?

  And so then you realize only people that can monetize the fact that they are human will have a job. But then you go, but the reality is that.

• 50:29Tom Bilyeu?

  The bots are gonna make everything free. So now I've got this hyper intelligent being that will know how to capture energy from the sun, will be clever in ways that we just aren't. And so, energy becomes free, labor becomes free, and that means everything is free. And you are limited only by the resources that you can capture here on Earth or in asteroids as they fly by. Or maybe you can even synthesize things. Like, think about this. Plants turn sunlight and dirt into physical structure that you can eat and survive. So you can transmute things hard. And so if this thing gets really good, it could be like capturing like bacteria

• 51:10Tom Bilyeu?

  from the air and mixing it with sunlight and turning it into whatever the fuck. So we may not even have to like go for master, I don't know, like, but whatever. Like with enough energy, you can actually manufacture gold. You really can turn lead into gold. It just takes so much energy, it's pure insanity. So, once energy's free though, so you might be able to just make whatever you want. Okay, so it's a world of abundance. Everybody has basically whatever they want. So it's like, we're trying to think through this literally unimaginable future through the lens of what we're like today. So, I'm both supremely confident that there will be a world of abundance on the other side of AI. And I'm supremely confident that there'll be a ton of bloodshed between here and there.

• 51:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Because people are going to freak out. So, at a minimum, the bloodshed will be religious. Even if it doesn't end up being economic. Like, let's just say, we like, the companies solve like artificial superintelligence in the background, they real quick spin up, like everything's free, and then they launch it. It's like, yay, no one has to worry, everybody eats, starting right now. So, even in a, there's no time to have a bad transition period scenario, there's still the loss of meaning and purpose, there's still the religious battle that's going to be fought. And so, it's like, what does a transition look like? That's the part that scares me. And then, now make it a more mundane one, where it's like, the transition lasts 30 years,

• 52:40Tom Bilyeu?

  so there's plenty of time to react, but it's a whole bunch of years like this, where... You go from 12% unemployment to 16. And of the 16%, 10 are just people that have ejected out of the economy because they're just, it's despair. The only job that they're ever going to find meaning in is going to be something manual. But now all that's done by robots because robots are just way better at it. They don't complain. They're not likely to be a lawsuit. They don't need breaks. They're way more efficient. They're way more consistent. I mean, just the host of advantages that then will show up as lowered costs to people.

• 53:21Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like, a lot of people are going to go, I was having trouble making ends meet, but I've kept my job and now costs are going down. So it's like, yeah, we have a 16% unemployment, but life's pretty good and the government is like making sure they don't starve. So, and then it's 20%. And now you start getting like roving bands of young men that do really troubling things. You're like,

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Glad we're orange.

• 53:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't like that. I don't like where that's going. But like, you know, we wall off our neighborhoods and, right? So it'll be like this thing where we sort of limp along and you're getting an underclass of people and that underclass, they're doing a lot of drugs, they're being violent, but we can like sort of keep them at arms length. And we, we build prisons for effectively free and they're guarded by AI bots. And so it's like, yeah, we're now incarcerating like seven, 10 million people. But like,

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Energy.

• 54:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You know what I mean? Things are getting cheap. So, uh, it just doesn't get so bad.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  Can I play a dirty leftist for a second?

• 54:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, let's go. Tim Riley coming in.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Right now, we have data centers spitting up. And local municipalities are subsidizing those data centers, taking the energy costs, passing them on to customers to get those data centers there.

• 54:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Hypothetically speaking,

• 54:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  We continue in that trend.

• 54:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Elon gets a crazy government subsidy to start the Optimus program to make them. All so now every police department is half robot. It's 50% off, so all police departments get 50% budget reduction. But Elon gets a big tax break for that. Um, we extrapolate that. So we have these gains in more robotics in our streets. Um, more data centers nationally. Energy is effectively lower cost. But the costs are now spread to the people and those economies start beginning to break. We don't have that abundance where it frees everything and we're starting to give people subsidies away. Because just like the 41 million people on Snap. We're not about to give 82 million people Snap. Forget that. Y'all need to go pull yourself up for your bootstraps.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  And we just kind of have this effective population of people falling off of the property ladder. So to your point, those gated communities now become smaller. But they're really thriving. The 10% that Ray Dalio says that's propping up the economy. That they're propping up now the entire world now because Optimus or Robots are in every major country, every developed nation. But that bottom 60% is now, let's say, bottom 65% that's really kind of getting to it.

• 55:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  If the age of abundance never really comes. Does this just become a Great Depression style like era that?

• 56:03Tom Bilyeu?

  If you elect Mom Donnie, yes.

• 56:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, if if you do bad policies, this will be a nightmare of biblical proportions. Because if you march yourself into the Great Depression. That is, um, that's an own goal that is a decade or more long of just a lot of human suffering. But good policies can keep that from being a problem. So for instance, the fact that China outproduces us on an energy basis that is, I don't know that it's an order of magnitude, so let's say that hyperbolically, but orders of magnitude more than us. It's like such a grotesque number that you know it's possible. Okay? So this is a regulation problem.

• 56:52Tom Bilyeu?

  And if we were to do policies that hamstring us that where we're distributing the burden to people, the taxpayer, that is so wild and stupid and completely unnecessary. That I, yeah, I am aghast. So if we do that, bad things will happen. If we realize that small government is the goal, small government is the goal, innovation is the goal, thriving middle class, goal, goal, goal. Then we have the right orientation and we can start making choices where it's like, okay, cool. We've got all these robotics, costs are coming down. That's amazing. So now we have to make sure that we have a thriving

• 57:37Tom Bilyeu?

  middle class. We have to make sure that the age of abundance is, it's not going to be evenly distributed in the, it's never going to be evenly distributed. So you get people to work hard by saying, if you work hard and outperform other people, then you can have more than they have. You never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever want to break that. Brutus, which is why I say socialist and communist are the same thing. So on that side, you, if you're protective of that, then you're going to be in good shape. But it really will, one, require us to be evaluating what's actually happening because this is on the other side of the technological singularity. So I can give you like principles and guidelines, but I can't tell you the specifics of how this is going to roll out.

• 58:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Cause it's on the other side of that wall that we don't know. For instance, energy needs to be cheaper for everybody. So you can't make energy cheaper for businesses and not taxpayers. You can't make, um, so I guess on this, you might do special energy zones or something like that. But basically you want one rule set to rule everybody in terms of access to those public works. So right now we're asking taxpayers in certain areas to bear an unusual burden. That's wild. So as they begin to reap these benefits, distributing free energy to the people, that, that is hugely important. You cannot let those winds just accumulate up to the businesses. This

• 59:06Tom Bilyeu?

  is where the government has to say, we're going to make these policies. We're going to build this infrastructure. We ourselves are going to point tax dollars at this, but it is to benefit the population as a whole.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Interesting. Um, we gotta go to Brazil right now because it is turning into a war zone with some of this footage that's coming out. Um, about 2,500 cops rode into Rio before sunrise to take on Red Command, one of Brazil's biggest drug gangs. Gang members answered with bullets, burning cars, barricades, and for the first time ever in Brazil, drone dropped explosives.

• 59:39Tom Bilyeu?

  You have to do this. You have to do this. You cannot let drug lords like post up in your countries. Yeah, and you get so much corruption in these governments, it just becomes impossible to fight back. I'm super encouraged by this.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  The death toll hit 80 by noon. Four cops were among the dead. The governor says Rio is effectively at war and based on the skyline, he is not kidding.

• 1:00:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Look at that, man.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  You just kind of see all of the, uh, burning, all the things that's happening right now.

• 1:00:08Tom Bilyeu?

  This is why you enforce laws. This is why you enforce laws. Like when you just let these people go into certain areas and they can entrench, like they just get more and more powerful. These guys are sophisticated, just like you get geniuses in, uh, East Coast Ivy League schools. You get geniuses in the hood. And so, yeah, these guys that are doing and selling drugs, they're gonna be able to recruit their own share of geniuses. And they start doing fancy, highly technical stuff. Did you see the, uh, USOs? I know they were called that, uh, off of Fort Lauderdale? Oh my God. Uh, do, do a quick search for USO Fort Lauderdale.

• 1:00:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, this is one that I didn't think was gonna stick to my ribs. I had no idea I was gonna bring this up, so I didn't, uh, grab it. But this is, you gotta see this. I don't even wanna give it away. Scroll down. Yeah, that, right there. Okay. Uh, everybody look at your screen. So Drew, what are those? You have unidentified, I assume sunken, objects? I don't know what the S stands for. Submerged, that's probably more likely. Unidentified submerged objects. Uh...

• 1:01:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, now, hey, this video could just be a guy like dropping lights and trying to do something fancy and he's just making a video. Totally, totally get how this could be that.

• 1:01:32Tom Bilyeu?

  But also, we know that the cartels use submarines to get product to the United States.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  I was wondering, I was like, how do we get from drug cartels to aliens? I was so confused.

• 1:01:43Tom Bilyeu?

  They get so sophisticated.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I'm with you.

• 1:01:45Tom Bilyeu?

  They like get engineers to build them like the most crazy contraptions. So now, again, I don't know what this is, but it is not an alien. It's either fake or my guess is drug cartel related.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Like light effects. I remember, I'll never forget this, I read Freakonomics for the first time and they taught, they broke down one of like Chicago drug pins. And he said, the structure is corporately similar to a McDonald's. Like from the top to the bottom, to the corporate infrastructure, to the bureaucrats, to even how they do the laundering, everything. So it's not just a bunch of dudes with durags who are just selling drugs. Like there's a lot of.

• 1:02:18Tom Bilyeu?

  I had at Quest, so put out the word on the, the street that even if you had felony convictions, we would consider you for employment. It's all because I believe it doesn't matter who you are today, it matters who you want to become, the price you're willing to pay to get there. Okay, so we ended up getting all these gang members, drug dealers, I thought former drug dealers, applying. And some of them were amazing. Some of, ended up being my favorite people in the world, just absolutely incredible people. Some ended up being dirtbags. But anyway, we got this one guy and he had originally taken the job for a front for his drug money. So he could go to his parole officer and say, I got a job here.

• 1:03:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And he ended up breaking down for me how his organization was structured. And I was like. You're a brilliant entrepreneur. I was like, you don't call them employees, but you have employees. You don't think of it as a corporate structure, but you have a corporate structure, like different people have even different names of what they do. And I was like, you guys have to be incredibly sophisticated about how to move and market your product. Like he was talking about, cause I was like, how do you not get caught? And he was like, first of all, everybody can be identified, this will age the conversation, but everybody can be identified by their whip. And so I'm like, okay, so you know who's undercover? Yes. And you know when they change based on what car they're driving? Yes.

• 1:03:49Tom Bilyeu?

  He was like, also, and I still can't believe this was in America. He was like, I kept a wad of cash in my back pocket. So when I get pulled over and they would frisk me, they would find the money and they would just leave me alone. And I was like, holy bejesus. And he was like, you know where the cameras are, you know what their blind spots are, so you know where you can post people up. I was like, this is wild. And yeah, all very crazy. And for anybody that doesn't know what a trap house is, that's horrifying. But like, all of this stuff is, it's very sophisticated, very sophisticated. And once I realized, oh, what you sell is risk, then I was like, got it. Like what they're actually making money off of isn't the sale of the thing.

• 1:04:34Tom Bilyeu?

  It's that that thing has so much risk associated with the sale, that that is the moat that keeps all the competition out. And so, in fact, that's a better way to say it, their moat is risk. And so if you're willing to take on all that risk and you have the sophistication of a like proper entrepreneur, whoa. Like, these guys move units.

• 1:04:56Speaker 06

  Are you one of those people from the school that thought that if they were in a different environment, they would be somewhere on Wall Street type thing?

• 1:05:02Tom Bilyeu?

  100%. It's just humans. If you took any one of those kids and raised them in an affluent neighborhood, they would have done affluent kid shit. And like some of the stories from those guys like were wild. One of the kids got jumped on the way home.

• 1:05:22Tom Bilyeu?

  His own mother, his own mother sees him beaten to shit and.

• 1:05:31Tom Bilyeu?

  She puts a bullet on the table, goes, does that bullet have a name? And he just goes, yes, takes it, puts it in the gun and starts looking for him on the street. Thankfully, he doesn't find him. But I was like, yo, when your mom is like, you need to handle that business to a 13 year old? I was just like, whoa, that my mom's reaction would have been very different. It would have been straight to the principal. Who did this to my son? So yeah, you end up reflecting the world around you. There was another kid who his father, stepfather was shot in the head and killed drug dealer.

• 1:06:11Tom Bilyeu?

  And so his mom was like, you gotta take over the family business. So it like, I mean, he was a teenager, ends up taking over the family business, drugs. And I was just like, whoa. So yeah, super bright. Not all of them, obviously, no matter where you go, you're gonna find smart people, you're gonna find dumb people. But I was scandalized by how bright, how savvy some of these guys were. And honestly, I was like, uh, I don't know if I'd be an entrepreneur if every day I had to worry about people showing up with shotguns to steal my protein powder. I was just like, I don't know, man. That's a lot of risk. I don't know that I come on the other side of that and I have a huge appetite for risk. But nobody tried to kill me for my protein powder.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Man.

• 1:06:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Very different game.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  All right, Tom, talk about aliens, three eye atlas.

• 1:06:59Tom Bilyeu?

  This as far, you gotta show Michio Kaku first.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:07:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So Michio Kaku basically gives credibility. Once the credibility is established, then we'll look at that image. But this is crazy. I did not think Michio Kaku was gonna say the world's divided on this. I thought he was gonna be like, it's a rock, boys and girls, it's a rock.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  Um, because that was the story. The story was it was a rock. We didn't know what it was. Then we had to wait a couple, uh, we had to wait until it got closer so we could get better images of it. And it's looking like a ship.

• 1:07:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Now it is close. This is wild. I love though, there have been people posting, uh, enhanced versions, of course, not saying this is AI. And when you see the AI version, it's like hysterical, but we'll get to that. We gotta earn it first, Drew. Here it is, okay.

• 1:07:46Speaker 03

  So this mystery object has been added to the International Asteroid Warning Network. That's, that's the first interstellar object ever to make that list. So, I gotta ask you, what the heck is Three Eye Atlas? And why, why the clouds of mystery around it? NASA's like, tight lipped.

• 1:08:06Speaker 07

  Well, there's a split, a split in the astronomical community. The majority faction says, "What's all the fuss about? I mean, it's just a rock from outer space, and it's gonna come through our solar system for the first time, and then come whizzing back out again. It's the third, third known object from outside our solar system, so what's the fuss? Another faction, however, says, "Now, wait a minute. Perhaps this is a visitor, an intelligent visitor from another solar system, and perhaps this week, we could have a test of it." That's right. This week, it turns out that the asteroid or comet will be whizzing around our sun,

• 1:08:51Speaker 07

  and if it picks up extra energy on its flyby, that would clinch it. That means there's extraterrestrial intelligence involved. So watch for it. On October 30th, starting then-

• 1:09:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think he explains how we'll know if they've picked up extra energy. So I'll trust that scientists are gonna freak out if they do, so we'll get the answer. But, this is wild, that the closer it gets, the more we're like, "Say what? What is this thing?" Okay, now, let's take a look at the actual, like, close-up. Now, as far as I know, this is legitimate footage, but I can't swear to it. But this was, um, shocking. This is like, a really distant one, but they have one that's much closer. Uh, I think the reason they show this one is, it like, slightly changes course, or seems to. Yeah, hold on, this is the wrong link. Yeah, we need the one that shows the- I just had it up.

• 1:09:49Tom Bilyeu?

  I just had it up, there it is. Alright, looks like an amoeba, this is wild. Okay. If you're not looking at your screen, I mean, this really looks like a weird shaped something with a whole bunch of lights on it. And the lights are way too symmetrical to just be completely random. But weirder things have happened. So I'm like trying to think, is it possible that these are like some sort of ore? And they're reflecting light off of this. I don't know, man. This is wild. There's no, I just, I literally can't allow myself to believe that like today on a random Wednesday, aliens roll up and they're just like, what's up guys?

• 1:10:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Just cruising by. Uh, that would be the wildest shit ever.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  And to be fair, it's passing the sun. So it's entering into our solar system now. It got notoriety.

• 1:10:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Technically, I think it would already have to be in our solar system to pass the sun. But uh.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  It's the third interstellar object ever recorded in history. But the reason that they're waiting to see what happens when it passes the sun is assumedly, if you get something hot, they'll try to alter their course. They'll try to drive around it or they'll just pick up the energy and like gases will expound like a typical asteroid does in the past. So they're looking to see how it reacts. They're getting that close to the sun to see like, okay, is this driven by something? Or is this just a rock floating aimlessly?

• 1:11:12Tom Bilyeu?

  This is wild, man.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  Yes, this image definitely makes it look like more mothershippy.

• 1:11:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Right?

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  Especially with the little flicker that just goes by.

• 1:11:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Runs across it. But why would you have a ship that does that? I was like, that feels more like, but it feels more like something like wind has crossed it. That causes some sort of chemical reaction of whatever's there. But then I was like, it's the vacuum of space.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  There's no wind in space.

• 1:11:33Tom Bilyeu?

  So, but ah, and isn't part of their beef that it's not giving off like a comet tail?

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. It like, it's not, it's not acting like traditional asteroids have acted before. Uh, but there is gases and stuff emanating from it.

• 1:11:48Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm so curious what people think this is.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  Uh, can we do a poll? See, is this an alien? Yes or no?

• 1:11:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, chat.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  Is this an alien? Yes or no? Let's hop in on this and see. Why would an alien ship have lights? The same way the United Airlines ship has lights when it flies. Have you ever seen the bacterium under this?

• 1:12:05Tom Bilyeu?

  And people are saying there are solar winds in space. So maybe that's what's doing it. It's a giant shiny nickel rock. That's the kind of thing I'm thinking like there's just parts that are like more exposed than others. It does look like an amoeba. You're definitely correct about that. We've got some deaf aliens in here. Alien ship is too much fun not to be. I want it to be an alien ship.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  We talked about this. There's definitely, the universe is too big for there not to be one other living heartbeat civilization.

• 1:12:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Simulation. So, well, so there's two things that could be real. If this is a simulation and you just set up a bunch of rules and then the rules go crazy, but you put life only on one place because that's what you're trying to simulate to see what it does. That would certainly explain why we can't figure out what is that first thing that triggers life? Because you don't need that. That's just the code in the simulation and it-

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  That's the light turning on.

• 1:12:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, it starts at a certain point and then just goes from there. So that's part of why it could be. And then the other would be that as a civilization becomes advanced, they collapse inward into simulations rather than going outward into the excruciatingly dangerous universe. It, I don't think life will ever form an interstellar space. There's nothing that makes me believe that that would even be remotely possible. So now you get into, you've got to have a planet in a habitable zone and all of the things we know about life says that you need that. Just the numbers are too staggering for there not to have

• 1:13:37Tom Bilyeu?

  been life anywhere else. Like that's too crazy to believe. But if they do realize like, okay, we've evolved to be like, okay, on this planet with all of its crazy protections. And so the second we try to leave this atmosphere, like we're going to be taking crazy radiation, like all kinds of bad things, like this is not going to be good. And hey, as we started developing the technology to do all that stuff, we also realized that we could make the matrix. Far more people are going to, I think, go inside of these virtual worlds. In success, I mean, that's what I'm trying to build. It's obviously such a pipe dream right now. I don't want any credit for that, but man.

• 1:14:19Tom Bilyeu?

  I really hope the whole gaming thing works because it is so thrilling to me. The idea of building something that people could literally experience at a nervous system level in, call it 30 years. Remember, there are people moving robotic arms with their brain implants right now, today. Right now, today. So this is not playing video games via telepathy with their brain implants. This is not some far-fetched thing. So that's really actually going to be possible. And man, would that be cool.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Emily will for 992. It would be so easy to create unity in the world using alien life form threat.

• 1:14:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Briefly.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Is this, is this just the Watchman pitch? Is this just, oh, sorry, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

• 1:15:04Tom Bilyeu?

  It's possible. I don't, I don't trust that. Do we have an Adrian Veet among us?

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, Elon, obviously.

• 1:15:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Elon's the closest. Elon has banged the drum the hardest, saying that this is nothing.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  There is no aliens.

• 1:15:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, he's like, if there are aliens, he's like, they have not attempted to contact us.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  Is he team simulation? He's the one I seen that he gave me the option.

• 1:15:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Mathematically, the odds of you being in a simulation border on 100% mathematically.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  I feel like, no, I feel like I hate that, that conversation because there's a framing issue. It's like, okay, there's no simulation, or we'll be advanced enough to create a simulation, or we're in the simulation, or simulation don't exist. I feel like we forget about that first thing. We just get into the one, two, three of it all. And that's why you're 67% to be in a simulation or going to be in a simulation.

• 1:15:50Tom Bilyeu?

  The problem is like, at some point, you have to base your logic on something. Once you anchor your logic on the world that I'm experiencing right now actually exists, simulated or otherwise, but it actually exists. Then you run into the problem of, we are creating a simulation. Everything tells us that a simulation that is indistinguishable from reality is possible. And so, once you're like, okay, there are simulations that are indistinguishable from reality. Oh, and by the way, when I look at the laws of physics, it really does operate like a simulation would operate, provably, meaning the universe is not locally real. Okay, so the universe is rendered. The universe renders. There's no better way to say it.

• 1:16:33Tom Bilyeu?

  So we know that the universe isn't locally real. We've proven that experimentally. So we know that it effectively renders. And

• 1:16:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Everything tells us that we can create a simulation. So it's like, uh oh, you start stacking those things. And if we can create a simulation, then what would we likely simulate? Ourselves. Okay. If you'll give me both of those leaps. Once you give me those two leaps, then the odds that you're not in a simulation become vanishingly small. If you don't give those two, if you believe you can create a simulation, but no one will ever simulate ourselves, or you just can't create a simulation, then it's like, okay, well, then, yes. Upon your logic, which I reject wholeheartedly. But if that were the logic, then, okay, at least you have internal consistency.

• 1:17:25Tom Bilyeu?

  You'd have a hard time explaining what's going to stop us from doing it right now. But which would then invalidate your hypothesis that it's not possible. But so, yeah, mathematically, odds are you're in a simulation.

• 1:17:38Speaker 06

  Uh, let's do it first. Uh, is this an alien? Poll says 56% of you say no. Yes is 44%. 56% no.

• 1:17:47Tom Bilyeu?

  No.

• 1:17:48Speaker 06

  44% yes.

• 1:17:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I'm in the no camp. I want it to be though.

• 1:17:51Speaker 06

  It's historically right to you.

• 1:17:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, there's going to be some really mundane explanation. And I didn't involve myself in this until now because it was like not coming until the end of October. And when I first heard about it was like July or something. I was like, I'm going to think about this. Now that it's today, I'm going to be checking my feed every hour to figure out if this is real. And man, do I want it to be true. That would be so cool. I'd love that.

• 1:18:15Speaker 06

  Somebody said it's an alien tour bus and those are phone flashes.

• 1:18:18Tom Bilyeu?

  That's hysterical.

• 1:18:20Speaker 06

  On your left, we have the sun.

• 1:18:21Tom Bilyeu?

  That's another part of this. Do you know how long at the speeds that they're traveling? They would have had to have been traveling. Like even if we say, well, no, no, no, they traveled that near the speed of light for the vast majority of the journey. And now they're just slowing down. They'd still have been traveling just for the length of time that we've been able to pick them up is months and months and months. So what would they send? AI maybe? And that's like a ship full of like processors? I don't know. But it just all becomes very like, why would they do this? Dark Forest is a very interesting concept. If you have not read The Three Body Problem, read it.

• 1:19:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, they just did a show too. I was supposed to watch it, then I forgot.

• 1:19:03Tom Bilyeu?

  If somebody built a perfect simulation, first of all, AI would live inside of it. AI would probably get to the point where it would not know that it's AI. So let's start with that. And then on top of that, I think people, if, if we have physical bodies, I think people will spend the vast majority of their time inside the simulation. They will come out of the simulation only if they have meaningful personal relationships, which on a long enough timeline, most people will not. And/or to preen their physical body essentially, if we're not able to just, so dystopian, suspended in vats or whatever. But your life inside the simulation will be meaningful, if that helps.

• 1:19:44Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, guys, that's it. Make sure you join us for Halloween on Friday. Be ready for it. Love you guys all. Thank you for another wonderful episode and we will see you next time.

• 1:19:54Speaker 06

  Later.

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