Ep. 745: Shrimp Fraud and Wild Berry Cheesecake | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Ryan Callaghan, and Randall Williams chat with Bryan Jones of the South Carolina Shrimper's Association about seafood fraud, talk gear, hold a crew v. crew round of Hot Tip-Off presented by MTN OPS, root for Cory in 1-Minute Fishing, and sniff out some fake news. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:47Speaker 02

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's 10 a.m. for our friends in Forks, Washington on Thursday, August 7th. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host Spencer, joined today by Cal and Randall. On today's show, we'll interview Brian Jones from the South Carolina Shrimpers Association about seafood fraud. Then each of us will review a piece of gear. After that, we've got a hot tip off between Yanis Poutelis and Rich Fronning, followed by one minute fishing with Corey Culkins. And finally, we'll end the show with a game of fake news. But first, Cal and Randall, I've got a surprise for you. It's sitting right in front of you.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  That dessert is a five berry cheesecake from berries that I foraged and grew on my own at home.

• 3:58Speaker 04

  Like five types of berries, not just.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Types of berries.

• 4:00Speaker 04

  The size of the, the size of the vessel made me think there might just be five berries in there.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  I know, no, there are five types. I'm going to tell you about it as you dig in. I've been growing some blackberries and some thornless heritage raspberries at home this year. Blackberry crop on one of my plants specifically has just been a banner year. It is the alpha berry crop in my yard and that makes up most of what you're eating there. But I also foraged some wild berries on our public lands here in Montana. I've got some red raspberries, some silver buffalo berries and black corants that I just picked.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Yesterday morning.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  Delicious.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  You grew a corant, huh? Oh, yeah, I was gonna ask if Phil got one.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Yes, Phil has one, that's right.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Real good.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  Black corant, probably about fifty percent of that is the blackberries that I grew. And then I'd say twenty percent is the raspberries that I grew. And then the other thirty percent are the foraged raspberries, the buffalo berries, and the black corants.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Now, do you say corant, because you're like an NBA basketball dude? Wasn't that a ballplayer Durant, Kevin Durant?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  How am I?

• 5:11Speaker 05

  I think it's current.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Current, I'm just ignorant, that's all.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  No, no, it just means you read.

• 5:15Speaker 05

  You're ignorant.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  It just means you read, Spencer.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Why does it mean I read?

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Because people that mispronounce words learn those words by reading them, not by hearing them.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  You know what, I like that excuse, I need that excuse a lot, because I have a lot of mispronunciations.

• 5:32Speaker 05

  That's like when my mom tells me I have a stutter, because my brain is just moving too fast, moving faster than my mouth.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  It's real, it's real.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Phil, am I in the frame correctly? I feel like I moved.

• 5:41Speaker 05

  There's no right way, Randall, but you look great. As long as you're not leaning out, like that's the classic Steve or Yanis.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  That was a real, that was a real treat, Spencer. Cheesecake is my favorite dessert.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Really?

• 5:51Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Okay, do you make it yourself?

• 5:54Speaker 04

  No, but Sydney makes it for me, usually for my birthday.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:58Speaker 03

  Okay, and then you get some candles in it, too?

• 6:00Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, yeah, pumpkin cheesecakes, I like raspberry cheesecakes, I like all kinds of cheesecakes.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Okay. It's a five berry cheesecake grown from berries right here in Montana soil.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  I'm not a cheesecake man myself.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  But this is real good.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Well, thank you.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Thank you very much, that is my surprise for you two boys today.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  Are you more of a crumble guy?

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, give me a cobbler.

• 6:25Speaker 05

  Mm.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Darn right.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  That's a good berry dish.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  All right, we're gonna start the show today by interviewing Brian Jones, the Vice President of the South Carolina Shrimpers Association. He's here to talk to us about a lawsuit involving shrimp fraud. Brian, welcome to the show.

• 6:44Speaker 06

  Hey, thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  First thing, Brian, tell us about the multimillion dollar industry that is South Carolina shrimping.

• 6:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, you think about the Low Country in South Carolina and one of the things that's iconic about, you know, the marsh grasses and everything is seeing the, our beautiful shrimp boats. So our shrimp fleet is comprised of, you know, a couple hundred vessels. You know, they're, they're, you know, owned by individual family members. We're all small business owners like myself and all the boats I tie up with. But, you know, we, we love what we do. We're outdoorsmen. We're sportsmen. When we're not shrimping, we're out there fishing too. And, and you know, one of the things we love and we're passionate about is bringing fresh seafood from trial to table, bringing it home for, for folks to enjoy here. And, you know, the, the art, what we catch is iconic to our, our cuisine too.

• 7:35Speaker 06

  People travel all around the world to come to Charleston and, and other places within South Carolina like Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach to enjoy our seafood.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Now, earlier this year, the Southern Shrimp Alliance commissioned genetic testing on shrimp from Charleston restaurants that was advertised as locally caught. What were the results of those tests?

• 7:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, that was one of those things that, you know, we kind of suspected and we, and we knew what was going on. But until recently, until the Southern Shrimp Alliance hired this company, C Consulting, to do the genetic testing, you know, we weren't sure how pervasive it was. But the results, you know, they, they tested 44 restaurants. Of those 44 restaurants, four were determined to be serving domestic wild-caught shrimp, whereas the other 40 were not. You know, and within our lawsuit, which we'll talk about, 25 of them were outright saying that they were local or wild-caught or misrepresenting it. And then that's why we named those 25 in our case that we brought.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Now, how did these tests come to be? Obviously, people were skeptical about locally caught shrimp. Was that suspicion coming from the honest restaurants or the customers or the fishermen or who?

• 8:47Speaker 06

  I think all of the above, you know, we know, you know, based on the past 20 years and where it's moved from having fleets of, you know, thousands of boats, you know, down to what our fleet is now where, you know, we used to where the creek where we tie up, there'd be five, six boats tied up to each other up to the dock, you know, and that's dwindled now to two or three. Um, so we knew, you know, we weren't catching and selling as much shrimp. And, you know, when we were catching it, we couldn't move it as quickly because, you know, there wasn't the demand for it. So where did that demand go? And, you know, there's more restaurants and there's more people eating shrimp. It's the number one consumed seafood protein in the world and crosses all genres and, and types of food.

• 9:26Speaker 06

  If you think about anything except perhaps like kosher meals, I think if you think like European, Middle Eastern, Latin American, American, uh, we, we can sound like Bubba Gump here, you know, when we say like shrimp kebab, shrimp scampi and all that. But we knew that the demand, you know, still existed, but we weren't selling as many. So, you know, I think there was that suspicion. Um, then, you know, there are restaurants themselves, there's a lot of good restaurants out there that, that we sell to, and they're getting undercut by, you know, other restaurants potentially saying, you know, competing for the same diners, saying they're serving wild-caught shrimp when in fact they weren't. Um, so, you know, it was great that the science allowed this to happen, um, when they were able to do this rapid DNA testing.

• 10:08Speaker 06

  Um, shout out to, uh, Dr. Singh from Florida State, that's my alma mater. Um, you know, and, and their ability to, to create that rapid test, their seed consulting. I think it, it, we kind of knew it always existed, but until recently, there wasn't the ability to do that testing and find that out. So, you know, uh, Southern Shrimp Alliance, you know, did the testing or commissioned it, seed did the consulting, and then we're sitting back there thinking, hey, you know,

• 10:33Speaker 06

  if this is going on, where, where's the, where's the accountability? Like, and that's, you know, one of the reasons we brought the lawsuit, you know, we're not afraid of, of fight. You think about, you know, Charleston and, and our, our historic nature, you know, between, you know, fighting the, the British and the, uh, you know, the, the Battle of Fort Moultrie to, you know, the Civil War. You know, we, we, we are, you know, uh, it's within our nature to, to, you know, fight for what's right. And, um, you know, we, we really wanted to make sure that, that, you know, Not only us as shrimpers in the restaurant, but consumers too. And oftentimes, you know, they're paying a premium for, you know, the what they believe they're getting is local wild caught shrimp, and in fact, they're getting something that's been frozen for potentially years that came from halfway around the world that they can get wherever they came, wherever they're

• 11:18Speaker 06

  visiting us from, whether it be Ohio, Montana, Colorado, whatever the case. And we want to make sure they're getting, you know, what we love to do and what we love to bring home to consumers.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, the lawsuit you mentioned was filed by your organization, the South Carolina Shrimpers Association, on June 13th, and that was against 25 restaurants. What can you tell us about that case?

• 11:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, so it's a case primarily about transparency and honesty. You know, at the end of the day, we want to ensure that that there's, you know, motivation for folks to do the right thing and for consumers to be armed with the knowledge. You know, we're telling people all the time, and I'm sure we'll talk about it later, is, you know, ask where your food, where your shrimp comes from, you know, ask, you know, make sure, you know, if it's local, that you know that it's local, but how do you know if there's, you know, not accountability measures in place? So we want to make sure like this lawsuit is what we're really asking for is for a judge to say, follow the existing law. If they're saying it's local, make sure it's local. If it's, you know, you're saving fresh local seafood, you know, fresh local seafood isn't something

• 12:22Speaker 06

  that was grown in Ecuador, India, Indonesia, or Vietnam. And there's nothing wrong with, you know, if they want to say and they want to sell imported shrimp, by all means do it, but don't say it's what we do and what we're doing is spending our blood, sweat and tears, you know, to bring home.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Now, is there a chance that the restaurants themselves were being duped by suppliers? Or do you think these places knew that their shrimp were not locally sourced?

• 12:46Speaker 06

  You know, that's a great question, Spencer. I would say, is it possible? Yes, but probable no. You know, it's very highly unlikely that, you know, they were being duped by, you know, their suppliers. And what I mean by that is, you know, where we bring our shrimp right here, you know, it comes, it goes on the ice on our boat, from the boat, it goes into boxes and those boxes go right to the restaurant. So, you know, it's very highly unlikely that they're being, you know, you know, there's some sort of bait and switch by a supplier. And, you know, when we speak with restaurants and they tell us, you know, you can get it cheaper or, you know, it's already peeled and devained or, you know, there's some other reason. And like I said, that that's fine, just don't say it's local.

• 13:28Speaker 06

  Um, you know, I, I, I think the majority of them, I, I would suspect, uh, you know, they, they know what they're purchasing. It's just more about how they're presenting it to the consumer and how that affects not only us as shrimpers. Um, but like I said, you know, the, the good, well-intentioned, um, restaurants that are doing the right thing, uh, which there are a lot of. And then also, um, you know, the consumers that believe they're, they're paying for, you know, our, our shrimp and our product.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  And who's supposed to be regulating this? How did we arrive at a place where 91% of restaurants are lying about the source of their shrimp?

• 14:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, that, that's one of the questions and one of the big motivating factors of this whole case is how do, you know? We got to this point, now how do we move forward and get to the point where, you know, there's more truth, honesty and transparency? And I'd say, you know, from a regulation standpoint, there are laws in, in, in effect as far as, you know, um, if it's true or like truth in advertising. And, um, and, and, you know, the Federal Trade Act, um, by the, the, um, the Federal Trade Commission. But I think more importantly, you know, it, it's maybe a, an eye-opening wake-up call where, you know, a country of origin labeling law or putting something on a menu. Makes more sense. And, and why I say that is you think about states like Louisiana and recently in Mississippi and Texas.

• 14:48Speaker 06

  Where they've enacted country of origin labeling laws. So, you know, just like you'd see where an oyster comes from, uh, when you go to a seafood restaurant. You know, and it's something that, that, that, you know, is, uh, exciting or let's say Five Guys, you know, you go to Five Guys and you get, you know, um, your hamburger and your french fries. And it tells you where the french fries came from, you know, it's just, it's easy to do that with, uh, shrimp and putting that on your menu saying, you know what? This shrimp came from South Carolina or this shrimp, you know, was sourced and however they want to market it, whether it's responsibly sourced or, you know, um. Farm raised or harvested in, you know, Vietnam or wherever, or just say it's foreign imported shrimp. You know, if that's on the menu, then the consumer is able to decide, hey, do I want to

• 15:31Speaker 06

  purchase this or do I want to maybe, you know, spend my money somewhere else? Now I know I'm either supporting local or not. And, and, and I think that that's a real value to the consumer. And I think that that's probably a path forward. Um, as far as addressing the, the proliferate or the, the sheer pervasiveness of the, the, um, the statistic that you mentioned where, you know, you say we, we got to 91%. That was 91% of the restaurants tested and I hate to sound redundant there, but you know, we sell to a lot of other good, good restaurants too. But yes, the, the seed consulting did say about 90% or 40 of the, um, 44 that were tested. Now the 25 were the, the ones that we honed in on because according to see those are the ones that were outright fraudulent. Um, and that that's why we brought the case specifically against them.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  Brian, is this just going to be the first shooter drop? Uh, could we be hearing that other restaurants in South Carolina are, are doing the same thing soon?

• 16:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, um, it's possible and we hope that, you know, that this case serves as sort of a clarion call or, or like a, um, uh, a cautionary tale to those restaurants that, that may be doing that, maybe not doing the right thing. And, and that's up to really, you know, see consulting in the Southern Shrimp Alliance, uh, who commissions it where they may send it because they've done multiple tests. Like I said, we were the eighth state, um, to, to be tested. Uh, but, but they've also gone back and done testing in, you know, Louisiana, Texas. Uh, and, and you know, I, I think there's other large seafood consuming markets in the, the state of South Carolina that, that would certainly, you know, garner the attention of that sort of testing. If you think about like, how many people come to, um, you know, coastal regions like

• 17:10Speaker 06

  Myrtle Beach and, and Hilton Head, Beaufort and, and the Bluffton area. I, I think, you know, it's certainly, you know, possible. Um, and you know, we want to make sure that, that, you know, folks have the opportunity, one, to know what they're getting and two, you know, we, like I said, you know, we, we definitely support the good restaurants that are doing the right thing. And we encourage other restaurants, you know, to, to see an opportunity to, to support, you know, our local industry and what consumers really want at the end of the day.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Do you have any advice, Brian, for how we as customers can prevent being duped when it comes to buying seafood?

• 17:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, I kind of alluded to that earlier and it is one of those things that we definitely encourage to ask, you know, before you order, you know, to ask, hey, you know, where did this shrimp come from, you know, so they can make choices as a consumer. But I would also say that coupled with, you know, some sort of accountability measure like encouraging, you know, lawmakers to say, you know what, we want to make sure that we're getting the fresh, healthy shrimp, you know, it's important and an important distinction to make. And it's not just about, you know, the fact that we love the shrimp here and it's great and it tastes wonderful and it's superior in quality. But it's also, you know, some folks want to make that decision. Because when they think about, you know, imported shrimp versus domestic shrimp,

• 18:24Speaker 06

  there's a lot of concerns about imported shrimp, you know, the lack of testing when it comes into the United States, about 1% inspected. And then also the concerns around ecological concerns, environmental concerns and human labor issues. So I think, you know, people are intentional and they do want to support, you know, domestic seafood production, support families, these rural coastal communities. I come from a town of 600, I'd be remiss if I didn't say, you know, each one of them wants to invite all you down here to, you know, enjoy some of our Southern hospitality.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  Last thing here, Brian, as you stated earlier, four of the 44 restaurants were confirmed to be serving genuine US wild-caught shrimp. Can you give those four places a well-deserved shout out?

• 19:07Speaker 06

  Absolutely. There's a Rappahannock Oyster Company in downtown Charleston.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Hmm, I've been there.

• 19:12Speaker 06

  Oh, it's amazing, wonderful. There's the Cousteau Creek Crab House, which is up in the North Charleston area. And then two that are a little closer here is Acme Low Country Kitchen, which is on the Isle of Palms. And then Grace and Grit, which is in Mount Pleasant as well.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Well, good on those places for serving the shrimp that they say that they're serving. Thanks for your time, Brian. We'll be following this case closely.

• 19:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, thanks. If y'all want to, everyone go shrimp and come on down.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  We appreciate that.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Randall, you ate?

• 19:44Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 19:44Speaker 03

  What was the place?

• 19:46Speaker 04

  Rappahannock Oyster Bar.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Give me a review.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Sort of a hazy memory, like many evenings out in a.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  What age were you?

• 19:57Speaker 04

  Mid, mid, mid twenties.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 19:59Speaker 04

  We were down there, maybe December-ish, going to Kiawah Island. Had a night or two in Charleston before we went out to Kiawah.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  All the ingredients for a hazy memory?

• 20:10Speaker 04

  Yes, indeed. If I remember, the drinks were strong and flowing generously. We ate a lot of oysters and that's about it.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  Did you order shrimp?

• 20:20Speaker 04

  I can't recall.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  Just say yes. Yeah. You ate at one of the.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  And it was authentically South Carolinian.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  One of the four places.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  Good to know. I think good takeaway for the audience, right, is like, illegal things don't exist unless there's a market for them.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  So, yeah, part of how you can be,

• 20:43Speaker 02

  weigh in on any sort of seafood fraud or wildlife fraud, crime is be sure of what you're buying. It's not that hard.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was just at The Fisherman's Daughter in Minnesota and I was eating walleye that were caught by a boat out of that town. And if I were to find out later that those just came from like, some waters in Canada, far, far away, I'd have been very disappointed. It'd have been a very different experience.

• 21:10Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  So I think that that matters to folks.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Especially in a place, in a place like Charleston where you expect that everything is coming right out of the water.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like their personality. That's part of it.

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  Wonderful. When I heard that, I told Phil it sounded like he was singing in lowercase.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  It's just perfect.

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  This is a great time to plug the upcoming Christmas album, which is just a compilation of all of Phil's little ditties. Perfect stocking stuffer, for those of you who still-

• 24:44Speaker 05

  Maybe that could go in the Ock and House of Oddities, just like a mixtape on an actual cassette of just all the drops.

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  And Phil writes on there himself in permanent marker what each song is.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  I actually have a Christmas album. When I was like 22, I recorded a Christmas album, including some like holiday greetings. And I'm like, hey guys, this is Randall. And I burned it on like eight CDs and sent them out to people and-

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Do you still own a copy?

• 25:10Speaker 04

  No, I don't.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  You don't?

• 25:11Speaker 04

  I would pay so much money for a copy. It was so good.

• 25:14Speaker 03

  I knew what we were gonna do for our Christmas episode of radio this year.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  The last track was Silent Night in German.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  But here we are in August.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  All right, each of us has a gear review for you today. Randall, start us off.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  All right, well-

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Got a couple items here that all go together.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  Uh, see here, these are the Birchwood KC Target Stands.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Good sound effects so far, too.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  They are, uh, bulletproof, as you can plainly see. They've been struck once or twice. Then I've got a roll of Scotch Blue Painters Tape. Bullet resistant would probably be better. Yeah, bullet resistant. And then I have the, this is the Gordon Utility Knife from Harbor Freight. It's a, it's a nice price point. I believe it comes in at $5.99.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  You don't need to say that if it's from Harbor Freight.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  You can grab it, you can grab it right by the register and you can get 50 blades for $5.99 as well. So, uh, I like, this time of year, I like to do a lot of shooting. Well, I like to do a lot of shooting at any time of year, but it's more important than ever as we approach our fall hunting season. So, uh, with this little kit, I can take any scrap of remnant cardboard from my garage or, you know, wherever I find it. And I can set up a little range, build myself a nice little square. You can see there. Oh, man, you can't see the holes, but that's some of my finest field shooting. Uh, there's two, well, you can see the right one. You can see the holes. You guys just are a little far away. Eight hundred, eight hundred and sixty some yards. There's two three-shot groups that are about

• 26:50Speaker 04

  three to four inches and, uh, one's in the box, one's just to the right. So just dialing in the wind there.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  Tell me about the t-shirt.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  That is a baby orangutan. That's one of two orangutan t-shirts that I own. One is a adult male. The other one is this baby. I think I got the adult male t-shirt first, but...

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Okay. This one's just kind of a joke. The other one's your nice orangutan.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the one that I usually wear to the zoo because I want to have a dominant presence when I walk into the orangutans. And you think the baby gives you the dominance? No, no, that's why I wear the adult. Oh, you're the, sorry, the adult one. For shooting. Yeah, there aren't any orangutans anywhere nearby.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  For yard work.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  But yeah, I just, I think, uh... Do you tell people it's not an ape? It's a great ape. That's true. That's true. Um... Yeah, I just, I like to shoot cardboard because you can see what your bullet's doing. A lot of people just like to shoot steel and if you hit the edge, it's good enough. But the cardboard doesn't lie and you can haul it way out there.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  Stick it well beyond your reasonable shooting range and just see what your bullet's doing at distance. So, uh, yeah, it's economical. This whole kit, I think I'd price somewhere under thirty dollars.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  And, uh, yeah, everybody's got cardboard lying around and if you don't, find someone who does.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  I bet you have extra because I imagine some trash blows through your property.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Yes, lots of anything that's not weighed down, uh, blows into our property.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  But does it keep going or does it stay there?

• 28:17Speaker 04

  No, there's a nice funnel, there's a terrain funnel and then a, uh, like a barbed wire fence at the bottom. So it catches all kinds of tarps.

• 28:26Speaker 05

  Speaking of, I put a Tupperware full of Christmas cookies on top of my car as I was leaving your place one time. Did you, did that ever turn up?

• 28:33Speaker 04

  No, no. No, especially in December, in December, you're getting some good wind.

• 28:40Speaker 05

  That's right, yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had a, we had a kid's swimming pool one time that showed up.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  And then we didn't do anything with it and a couple of months later, I saw it like a half mile away. So, yeah, we, we collect all kinds of stuff that's good for shooting.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  Locally sourced cardboard.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  Lot of cooler lids, a lot of styrofoam, couple of politics signs.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  So, yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Yep, yep.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  That's, that's what I got, thirty bucks, improve your shooting, uh, enter the field with great confidence this fall.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Okay, good takeaway.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  Good one.

• 29:10Speaker 03

  Cat, what are you reviewing for us today?

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Uh, we're talking about the First Light Forge waders. Um, I, so this is new to the market.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  New like this week, right?

• 29:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we've been playing with these and improving these, um, for three years. I think I've had five different pairs of waders.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  And, uh, during this very intensive product development phase. And ideally, this is a waiter that has come to the market, fully field tested. And the consumer.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Should have complete faith in their purchase here. So this is a, this is a big purchase, but it is uh done in such a way that uh you should have complete confidence in this thing to take care of you. Uh, very burly. It's like a lifetime pair of waiters out there. So um.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  First light literally spent years perfecting these things.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Years. Yeah.

• 30:17Speaker 03

  And that also caused a lot of questions to be asked when the folks would see it in Instagram content or YouTube video and be like, what, when are these waiters showing up? Well, your answer is now.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, right now. And um, so I mean, they, they are backed by a great warranty as well. The boots and the, and the waiters and um, man, they're just, they're, they're burly. So you gotta ask yourself if you want six pairs of the discount.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  You know, general sporting goods store waiters that you try to return throughout the course of your season? Or you invest in these babies and they're going to take care of you for years. As long as you, you know, don't let, let them sit out in the sun for half the year. You're going to be rocking these for a long time. Knee pads, uh, minimal seams.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  That, that I feel like was, I've heard is the big selling point, right? That there's a seam or just a couple seams, very few seams.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. If, if you've ever, you know, stuck anything underwater, it's the seams that typically fail. Or like if you're staring at your tent in a rainstorm, water's coming through the, the seams. So this is a minimalist seam design. Um, not quite seamless, but there's basically one seam in the, in the whole deal. So, um, biggest takeaway is that we just tested the living heck out of them in. Every condition imaginable, all across the country, um, and in, uh, one other country, thinking about it.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  We call that country, Canada.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  We wore them up in Alaska, bear hunting, and there's a lot of crawling around on rocks.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  And, uh, getting in and out of boats and, uh, just doing all sorts of things that you wouldn't want to do, especially with water temps like that in a pair of waders that you didn't have confidence in. So that was years ago, but they've only improved since.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Available now on, uh, firstlight.com.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  All right. I am reviewing an Oru foldable kayak.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Fold it up. And we've got pictures of this thing on the video, if you're watching on YouTube. It's the size of a large suitcase and then set up, it's the size of a normal kayak. It weighs 17 pounds, has a weight limit of 250 pounds. Um, that's just their base model. For context, my regular 10 foot kayak has a weight limit of 275. So it's, it's not that different. Um, it's made of a thin corrugated plastic. It feels and looks, is the best way I can describe it. Feels and looks like heavy duty cardboard that's like waterproof. You sometimes.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  It looks like I want to snap it into my Birchwood Casey target holders.

• 32:57Speaker 03

  Yes, like a political sign.

• 32:59Speaker 04

  Like a political sign. Those are great targets.

• 33:01Speaker 03

  I, I worked the produce section at Walmart in college, and this is what our produce would come in. It was that type of cardboard and they were very desirable. Folks would come in asking for that cardboard for free. Specifically, the banana boxes were the most coveted.

• 33:13Speaker 04

  When you get a mail hold and the, uh, the post office.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  That's a great box.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  That's the closest thing. The closest thing I can describe to what that material is.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Uh, the base model, it's, it's $500, uh, which is like within the price range of what you'd expect to pay for a nine foot kayak. I bought it on sale, uh, and they have sales all the time. Father's Day, 4th of July, Memorial Day. If you're, if you are interested in one, don't pay full price because it's, it's going to be on sale sometime soon.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  I bought it for a road trip to more, to northern Minnesota and I told my wife beforehand, I was like, I think we get home and there's a 50% chance I'm putting this thing on Facebook Marketplace. I was, I was just like pretty pessimistic. Um, we go on the trip, I use it four different days, including on Lake of the Woods. That's America's sixth biggest lake and Devil's Lake. That's America's 22nd biggest lake. So some big bodies of water. Uh, my takeaway after using it all summer was I love it. I'm, I'm a really big fan of this thing. Um, I've got some pros and cons here that I wrote out for you. The biggest pros are the whole reason that you'd buy a foldable kayak. It's compact, it's really light. It doesn't take up much space in your vehicle or garage. Uh, it's easy to travel with. It doesn't take up room in, in your truck.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Like I said, I can securely lock it in my pickup. Uh, if I'm traveling and sleep at a hotel in a sketchy part of Spokane and, and I'm not worried that it's, you know, going to be gone. It's a good town choice. Yes, I've stayed in some sketchy parts of Spokane.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  They'll, they'll chew through your truck bed there though.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Shout out Spokane, we love you.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're gonna have to work for it if they really want it. Uh, it's easy to carry, it comes, uh, you know, they're, they're, it's easy to carry if you're trying to get to some hard to access water and they make a backpack for it. Um, it's kind of an awkward 17 pounds, but uh, it's, it's no problem. Uh, maybe wouldn't go up a mountain with it, but you could, you could hike a quarter mile to some, some other water access you needed to get to. It's very open, so all of your gear is visible and accessible when you're in it, which is my preference when you're fishing. If, if you're not familiar with kayaks, there's sit in and sit on. Um, and one of them, the sit in has like a cockpit and the sit on, it's just sort of an, an open space.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  For fishing, I'd prefer a sit on because everything is, is just very visible and you can reach anything that you have with you in the boat. Um, and, and so far it seems quite durable, which is surprising because like I said, it's, it's so similar to that heavy duty cardboard we were talking about. They measured the lifespan of their kayaks in folds and they say it's 20,000 folds. Wow. It can handle. So I did the math on that. You do two folds every time you use it. If you use it 25 times a year, that means you have 400 years worth of folds. On this thing and genuinely it only takes a couple of minutes to tear up and and put back together. So their marketing on that that it just takes a minute. It's it's legit. Now here's some of the cons. It's not super comfortable. I need to to get out of the thing after like

• 36:05Speaker 03

  two hours of being in it. Again, I just have the base model. They do offer gel seats and and other padding you can buy. I haven't done that. I don't think it's going to be an enormous game changer. You're not going to be like, damn, I could take a nap in this thing. But I think it would probably make it easier to to be in. Because it's so light, you really feel the wind. If you're used to a regular kayak, you you'll notice this right away.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  This one folds up.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  It well, it folds up and it it can it takes on some wind. You notice it if you're if you're casting at a log that your feet are facing and a breeze picks up, it's going to be at your shoulder pretty quick. It's easy for the to wind to to really manipulate you.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  And this could be a pro or a con, but people are going to come up and talk to you about it. I took this on a lake in Western Montana last week, and I had three different folks while I was getting set up before I got on the water came over like, what is this thing? What do you? What are you doing? And my wife, she was she was confused by it. She was like, is this our fishermen always this chatty? The answer is no. So maybe that's a pro or a con, depending on how you feel about social interaction.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. You approach a guy with the boat like that. You're like, well, he's not going to catch anything. Yeah, he doesn't know what he's doing.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  He if he owns this, he wants to talk to us.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  That guy's a sucker for an Instagram ad.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  What? What's the what's the weight capacity on that bad boy?

• 37:23Speaker 03

  At 250 pounds. Like I said, my my regular 10 foot kayak is 275.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have to make sure I go pee before I get on that thing. Well, you know, Randall, there's there's a big buffer, I'm sure.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  We've actually got a segment about that coming up soon.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  Now, my big takeaway is I'm I'm always going to hold the foldable kayak. I'm sold. I I love this thing. It genuinely gets me to fish more, because it's so easy to to store, transport and set up. It made the barrier to entry of of getting on a lake to go fishing super low. And that's resulted in just more days of me going out fishing. If I'm on the fence, it's very easy to talk myself into being like, well, I I drive there and I get out and I'll be on the water in three minutes and fishing. And that's that's phenomenal. That that makes it worth it alone. And I think back to college and how I would have loved owning this thing and keeping it in my GMC Jimmy. Like, I would have had a very different fishing experience in college if if this kayak exists.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Plus little duck hunting.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  That's right. Um, I, I think-

• 38:21Speaker 04

  Not too many shells, though, in there with you.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, when you fold that baby up.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Gotta make them count.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Put it in the bottom of the blind.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  I mean, I do think the best gear is gear that gets you out.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  This, this does it.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  Like, that lowers the barrier to, to getting outside.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  I, I think any outdoorsman would enjoy a, a foldable kayak, but specifically if you like live in an apartment or a dorm, um, or if, if you don't drive a vehicle that makes it easy to transport a traditional kayak, or-

• 38:47Speaker 04

  If you ride the bus.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  If you ride the bus, if you struggle to-

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Limited storage space at home.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  I mean, man.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  If you struggle to lift 50 pounds, if you're just like annoyed at the thought of, of moving a kayak in and out of a pickup or on and off of a vehicle, uh, then like you are the person who would benefit the most, uh, from having one of these.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  So I'm, I'm very excited. It's the best, like, outdoor purchase I've, I've made in years.

• 39:11Speaker 04

  I'm sold. I just need to see if they make any adult sizes.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  I'm using the base model, the, the entry level kayak. Uh, they make bigger ones, so I'm sure-

• 39:18Speaker 04

  They make a double?

• 39:19Speaker 03

  The weight range goes up.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  Magnum?

• 39:23Speaker 03

  All right, uh, we are halfway through the show today. Let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat got?

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, Rashad asks, "Has Cal salvaged anything cool from the dumpster lately?"

• 39:35Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Oh, well, thank you for asking. I just had my head in that dumpster yesterday.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Is that our dumpster or like a dumpster where you live?

• 39:42Speaker 02

  No dumpster where I live, that people can't quite figure out cardboard recycling.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  And, uh, it costs us like $200 for the, cause like, well, we send a whole another garbage truck to go pick up the contaminated recycling.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Um, so my, my fun deal is jumping in the dumpster, going through people's trash until I find what you always find, which is our shipping labels.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  And then I take a picture of that and, uh-

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Typically, address them eyeball to eyeball.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  Really?

• 40:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  You, and you just like wait for that encounter to happen naturally or like you'll go to their door?

• 40:23Speaker 02

  No, I, I make it happen.

• 40:24Speaker 03

  Wow, okay.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good guys to do nothing.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  That's exactly right.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  This is like the shrimp fraud.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  You gotta hold these people accountable.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  And you know what the people always say?

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  I just didn't know.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  To which point I'm like, okay, well now you do. Thanks a bunch. Have a great day.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Thanks for chat.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  Good for you.

• 40:45Speaker 05

  Connor says, I drew a non-resident waterfowl tag for South Dakota. I'm looking to get a camper top for my Tacoma. Hard top versus soft top.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Cool, cool. Um, no matter what direction you go, you're going to be giving up something.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Like it's just inevitable. Um, yeah, you, you know, all the, all the answers here. I, there's, there's so many like a soft top that you can like accordion back. Throw, uh, you know, your bikes over the tailgate and put big stuff in there. People still call you to help move and things like that. The hard top, uh, you're going to be a little more restricted because you can take them on and off, but nobody ever does.

• 41:30Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Uh, I've never been interested enough in a camper, sliding camper to shop for one. Have, have you owned one?

• 41:36Speaker 02

  I think he's just talking about a topper.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  Oh, just a topper?

• 41:39Speaker 04

  Or a tonneau cover.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  A camper top for mine.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  You had an inflatable topper.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  I did, yeah. Yeah, the flated.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Um, and that's a, that's a cool product. I would put that in the, uh, fifth wheel category. Like if you're a fifth wheel person.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  But you don't want like a bunch of snow and hay and crap piling up in the back of your tractor in the off season. Uh, get that flated topper and, and you're going to be set.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  I was, I was shocked that I saw that more than once when I initially saw it on your pickup. I didn't think it was long for the world, but it was.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  It was impressive.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  I, I own a rooftop tent at Super Pacific. Um, I will review that on some future episode of radio where we talk gear again. Um, but I'm a huge fan of, of that tent. I like having a rooftop tent. Again, as long as my situation is like this where it's like, I mean, just me and my wife, we don't have a dog, we don't have any kids. Um, it's, it's perfect for what we need.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, the I have a go fast camper. Um, so that's a, you know, big investment, as is the, the one Spencer just met mentioned. Um, and I got no windows in the whole thing. Purely because.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Spokane, Washington.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Spokane effect Spokaneist animation. Um. I want security. I don't, I don't need people.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Like I want more deterrents than than less.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  You don't want your truck looking like a storefront window.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:09Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. Never thought of it like that. What else you got, Phil?

• 43:13Speaker 05

  Not a question, but a comment from Bill Randall. Thank you for your help on getting the raffle items for muster. The trivia and sign cookbooks had a very high return on investment. I cooked some Solins. Is that right, Randall?

• 43:23Speaker 04

  I don't know. I've, I was, I was, I've heard about this brand.

• 43:26Speaker 05

  Solins hot dogs over the campfire in your honor.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  That's lovely. Love it.

• 43:29Speaker 05

  And then we also had someone asking if we'd be coming to the muster in New York next year.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Ooh, I'd like to. I'd like to. Randall will be there. He can't wait. It's already on his calendar. When is it, Randall? Well, it was the first week of August this year. Oh, okay. Uh, or no, no, I'm sorry. The, yeah, maybe it was. I don't know. It's somewhere in that neighborhood. It's on his calendar, though. Uh, but yeah, I'd love to make it out. He circled it. Red marker.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Important to know is backcountry hunters and anglers, big eastern, one of the, the two big eastern events these days.

• 43:59Speaker 04

  What's the other one?

• 44:00Speaker 02

  It would be, um, the Black Bear Bonanza in Arkansas.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Uh, but this is muster in the mountains.

• 44:07Speaker 05

  So I stand forgiven. He says that summer of 2028 is the next time New York hosts it. So you've got some time to plan.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. Okay. He'll put that on his calendar. Well, unfortunately, I do have a publishing calendar that goes that far out. So we'll have to just match that up against our meat eater American history.

• 44:23Speaker 05

  Uh, on that note, uh, Randall, if you'd like to answer this question from Devon. Uh, are the books like Mountain Men and Long Hunters on the website, hardcover copies or paperback editions?

• 44:34Speaker 04

  They are all audio. There is no print version.

• 44:39Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Um, so. Unless you get a bootleg copy on Amazon. Yeah, there, there, there was a bootleg copy on Amazon. Uh, yeah, I know there's a lot of folks out there that would love to read it with your own eyeballs, but those are, uh, audio originals and audio only by design.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  So, yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, you guys would be shocked at the process of making those books.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  There's a lot of arguing.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  A lot of arguing, a lot of, a lot of creative input from many parties.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 05

  It's a cool, it's a cool thing, watching Randall and Steve.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  It's a very unique, very unique medium.

• 45:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Let's do one more, Phil.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  Okay, Brandon says, I'm going offshore fishing in the Gulf. Charter supplies squid, but what other baits would y'all suggest?

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Cal.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  I, yeah, live mullet, like live bait is pretty darn awesome. Um, but if you're going on a charter, that's gonna be pretty limited. I'd, I'd go ahead and just talk to the captain and, and see what the options are.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  Um, but any, anything that's still swimming, that you can put a hook into is, makes for a good time.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  All right, move, you got anything to add, Randall?

• 45:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Former boat captain.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  I would, uh, yeah.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  The other part of the continent.

• 45:52Speaker 04

  You know, I'd listen to your captain, as a former captain, I'd listen to your captain. Uh, it's, you know, if, if you want to go above and beyond following their advice and get something that's maybe not on the menu, uh, I'm sure they would appreciate the enthusiasm if you show up with something weird that they're not, uh, into. Might be a long day on the water, especially if you're not getting into them, there's gonna be some, uh, finger pointing, so.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  We caught some grouper in Florida on, in the, on the Gulf side with freezer burned elk meat one time.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Hmm. Um, so you know, think outside the box or in the depths of the box.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Very good. Moving on, our next segment is Hot Tip Off.

• 46:34Speaker 07

  H O T T I P R. Let's all do a hot tip off. H O T T I P R. Let's all do a hot tip off.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Phil, do you love her new song, Saskatchewan?

• 46:52Speaker 05

  Spencer, I haven't heard it. I haven't heard it since the, I haven't listened to any new stuff since the country tinged one.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  The giver.

• 46:57Speaker 05

  Who is her?

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Amazing. Chapel Road. All right. This week's hot tip off is presented by Mountain Ops. Whether you're training for the mountain or just trying to feel your best every day, Mountain Ops has your back with proven high-performance nutrition you can count on. From energy and endurance to recovery and daily health, their products are built to help you on the mountain, in the gym, or wherever your day takes you. For today's fitness hot tip off, it's Yanis Potellus versus Rich Fronning. Take it away, Phil.

• 47:28Speaker 00

  Yanis Potellus.

• 47:33Speaker 08

  Hey, here's a hot tip for you for when you're thinking about, um, working out, about your fitness and getting ready for this fall. Whatever you do, and I hope you're doing something to get ready just because it's good for you. But don't do it just one day and then take a couple of days off. A lot of hunts, especially western hunts, where you're taking a week off to go somewhere. If you're going out of state to hunt whitetail deer are going to be a four, five, six days hunting in a row. Okay. So train your body for that as well. Okay. Work out one day, run the next day, do something else with your legs. Keep doing it day after day so that your body is prepared for a four or five day hunt. Okay. Most of these hunts are endurance events, not sprints.

• 48:16Speaker 08

  So make sure you're doing stuff one day after another. There you go. There's no hotter tip than that right, right there. Thanks for being patient, boys. Phil, Spencer.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Chicka chica Slim Shady.

• 48:34Speaker 09

  My meat eater hot tip is the best program is the one you'll stick to. There's a ton of methodologies out there. There's a ton of different programs out there. There's people that think you should go long and slow to be better. There's people that think you need to be stronger. I think it's somewhere in the middle, but do something. Find something that you enjoy. Uh, continue to stack days. Consistency is the key. Keep it up and, uh, get out there and do it.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  All right, Phil is going to create a poll for the chat to vote on. We're going to give them one minute.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, give him about 30 seconds here.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  To get their results.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Very similar tips, really.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  Very similar, and they didn't know what each other was doing. It's almost as though Yanni sent that to us 20 minutes before the show today.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  He's in Alaska, and I think he's in Alaska right now.

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, interesting, interesting.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  So we've got Yanni's tip about training like you hunt and Rich's tip about building a routine. Cal, you said they're similar, but which one, which one do you like better? We're gonna let the chat decide, but maybe you can influence them.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Poll is live.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  I mean, they're, they're, they're both very good. I like the simplicity of Rich's, which is like, just do something. At the end of the day, like, all those somethings add up.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  However, on Yanis's deal of like, he didn't say it this way, but it's like, you need to exercise while you're sore.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  That, that is a real thing. Like, you gotta keep stacking those days up.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  So I like that one, too.

• 50:13Speaker 03

  Phil, we're gonna give the chat like 20 more seconds here. If you're listening to this and you have a hot tip, send that to [email protected] with the subject line, "Hot Tip Off", and our friend Corey and our producer Jake are gonna review those. We'll have more hot tips coming to you in future episodes. All right, Phil, let's close the poll. Who is the winner between Yanis and Rich?

• 50:36Speaker 02

  With 58% of the vote, the winner is Yanis Poutelis.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Yanis Poutelis. Amazing. Glad he got that hot tip submitted to us.

• 50:48Speaker 04

  I don't know. I'd go with Rich on that one. You know, sometimes just grinding, recording audiobooks, it's tough to get, get a good workout in every day, but you know, do, do what you do. Do what you can do. Do what you will do. Yanis seems like that's a program for a man. He's got a lot of, a lot of workout time.

• 51:10Speaker 03

  58% of the audience liked Yanni's hot tip better. And again, hot tip, this, Hot Tip Off this week was presented by Mountain Ops.

• 51:20Steven Rinella?

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• 52:04Steven Rinella?

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• 52:45Steven Rinella?

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• 53:29Steven Rinella?

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• 54:03Speaker 03

  All right, moving on, our next segment is one minute fishing.

• 54:06Speaker 10

  Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Go ahead. Make my cast.

• 54:15Speaker 03

  One minute fishing is brought to you by Onyx Fish. To find your new favorite place to fish, go to OnyxMaps.com/fish. One minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Corey Calkins. He's on a river in Montana and fishing for a donation to the Wild and Scenic Rivers Coalition. Corey, welcome to the show.

• 54:43Speaker 11

  Oh, what's up, guys?

• 54:44Speaker 03

  What's up, Corey? Now, earlier this week, I believe it was on Tuesday, Corey told me and Randall that he had a 50% chance of being successful today. About an hour ago, he upped it to 95% chance. Are you still feeling that confident?

• 55:02Speaker 11

  Yeah, I might even bump it up to 96%.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  Oh, my lord.

• 55:05Speaker 04

  He also repositioned since, since we last had him on the screen here.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Now, now, why?

• 55:10Speaker 11

  This is true.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Why so confident this morning?

• 55:14Speaker 11

  Well, I'm literally watching all these fish rise right here. Plus I did dip my worm in the water for a hot second and it didn't take long to catch a fish. And I backed off because I didn't want to burn the hole. Went downstream a little ways, first cast with a different fly and I got an 18 inch brown trout.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Oh, geez.

• 55:33Speaker 11

  See if I can get three casts in a row is what I'm going for now.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  My goodness.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  I saw the picture. I mean, 18 inches for somebody.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Tell us about the fly you're going to use for one minute fishing.

• 55:47Speaker 11

  Oh, let's see. Uh, man, that last fish, the seventeen and a half inch fish, according to Cal, uh, ate a big chubby, big dry fly. But if I only get a minute to fish, I'm gonna fish with a little stone fly nymph. This is a tan turd. And I also have a little PMD nymph behind it.

• 56:10Speaker 05

  So you're running, running three flies?

• 56:13Speaker 11

  No, sir. Just two.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  Two under a bobber. Two flies and a strike indicator. Alright Cory, you're one minute.

• 56:19Speaker 11

  I did just want to point out, look at this really cool heart rock I just found.

• 56:22Speaker 03

  Oh, beautiful. Take that home, give it to your wife.

• 56:24Speaker 11

  Alright, I will. Um, oh, I do have one note and one request.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:31Speaker 11

  I am self filming, so bear with me here. I gotta flip the camera around here in a second. Uh, well, I don't know if I can do that now. Uh oh. And also, last time I did this, I believe the timer started when I like walked away from the camera. If I could get the timer to start when I start my first cast.

• 56:49Speaker 05

  No, I started it at the perfect time Cory.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  Okay Cory, uh, you're, yeah, I don't think you can rotate your camera on, when you're in.

• 56:57Speaker 11

  That's okay.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  That, we gonna be okay with that?

• 57:00Speaker 11

  Oh, don't you worry.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Just doing it manual style, analog.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, if he casts out of the frame.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  This is a real pro move here.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Then we really have to assume.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  Suspicious.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  Not the best picture, but somehow still better than the pond on the other side of this wall.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Alright Cory, your one minute of fishing starts when you make your first cast. Flop it in there buddy. We're watching. We'll make sure that, uh, Phil is diligently.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  Stripping some line out. And, uh.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  Go Phil.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  Oh no, he's false.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  There we go. Fly is in the water, his one minute just started. Uh, we've never had a more confident angler. And he set the hook.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Oh, come on.

• 57:42Speaker 03

  He is eight seconds in. Keep that line tight. He's getting the net out. Oh my goodness. Oh, what is going on?

• 57:52Speaker 02

  Catch another one, catch another one.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  A very professional landing. Uh, what do we got there Cory?

• 58:00Speaker 03

  He's, he's out of the frame now.

• 58:01Speaker 11

  Oh, hey. Very healthy rainbow.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 58:05Speaker 05

  Another 18 incher. Alright.

• 58:08Speaker 11

  18 centimeters, Cal.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  What did it eat? What, what did it eat?

• 58:13Speaker 11

  He ate that PMD.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Okay. Uh, make another cast for us anyway. You got another 20 seconds, Corey. Oh, he's going back for his rod.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  It's the bonus ball here.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  I cut the music, Randall. Do you want to, do you want to do some epic, uh, like Hans Zimmer style? Blah, yep.

• 58:27Speaker 04

  Dun, da, da, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, da, da, da, da, dun, dun, dun.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  Okay, Corey's just made his second cast. We'll see how hungry the trout really are today.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  Stripping line.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 58:40Speaker 03

  Mending line.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  Got that.

• 58:42Speaker 05

  We're not playing Price is Right this week, so. Oh, no, I didn't want to do that one.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  Slick little net, network there.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  You know what? That was such a fancy full professional landing that he did. Uh, if you're listening to this, it's worth going over to YouTube right now just to see what it looks like when a pro has a fly rod in there.

• 58:59Speaker 05

  Yep. Barely fit in the net.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  That's not what it looks like when I'm out fly fishing. Uh, alright, Corey. Uh, good thing you caught one on that first cast.

• 59:06Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, cause you got a foldable canoe.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  That's right. Well done, Corey.

• 59:11Speaker 11

  Oh, three in a row.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  That's right. He, uh, he earned $500 today for the Wild and Scenic Rivers Coalition. Uh, we were on a one-minute fishing success drought, so thank you, Corey, for ending that.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  Nicely done, sir.

• 59:26Speaker 11

  Hey, no problem. Uh, it was easy, obviously.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  You coming, you coming into the office later? How far away is that boat ramp?

• 59:35Speaker 11

  Uh, let's see. I got about four, I got about four more miles.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 59:40Speaker 11

  Don't tell my boss.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Alright. Well done, Corey. Thank you for joining us. Send us more pictures. Alright, last for today, we are playing Fake News.

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  Love that.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Sign me up for the Christmas download. It's amazing.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, we'll set records at the auction house.

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  It sounds like, yeah, it's, is that a shot at Yanis?

• 1:00:15Speaker 05

  No, it's a shot at Steve, because I was, I was listing like fake news stories. So the fake news story was Steve is a better shot than Yanis.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  Right, but it's, but you're also doing an Eminem song with Yanis's new hair.

• 1:00:27Speaker 05

  Oh, that's true.

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  This song existed before.

• 1:00:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, I didn't even think about that.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  All right, fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three imposters. Cal and Randall's job is to figure out which one is true. All right, here is the first headline. Officers use blank to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Is it bocce ball, leaf blower, chopsticks, or RC car?

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  This is a real headline.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  Earlier this summer.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  I missed this.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Officers use bocce ball to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Officers use leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Officers use chopsticks to remove snapping turtle from roadway, or officers use RC car to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Bocce ball, leaf blower, chopsticks, or RC car?

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  Cal and Randall, do you have an answer?

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  I know that there is a headline out there. Conservation worldwide that involves an RC car.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  I just don't know if this is it.

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  Are you boys ready?

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying leaf blower, and we have Randall saying leaf blower. Officers use a leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway.

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  You both got it wrong. The correct answer is RC car.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh geez.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Kao knew it, but he didn't know it. That headline was from Dakota News Now on July 25th, 2025. It comes from where I grew up, Hutchinson County, South Dakota. Officers said the snapper was causing a traffic jam. Their sheriff's office posted the video on Facebook of a tactical RC car harassing a snapping turtle as it crossed the road. The RC car's real function is to place spike strips during pursuits. The sheriff's office has since deleted the post with Facebook commenters flaming them for not finding a more simple solution. Here is that video. Play the clip, Phil.

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  He didn't say it was a tactical RC car.

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  Well, the headline didn't say tactical RC car. And that is made to deploy spike strips, but instead it is pushing on a snapper.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna guess there's just not a lot that happens in this part of South Dakota.

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, this looks like just some juvenile delinquents.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  Yes, I, I understand.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  If their parents saw this, they'd get in trouble.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Yes, it's, it's, uh, I'm, I, I understand why it was deleted. Uh, folks were being like, you know, you can just pick those up. Uh, you can just like, let it be.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  The snapping turtle, like, hunting community and appreciation community is pretty strong. Like, people, people love dealing with snappers.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Yes. I, almost all the snappers I've eaten, uh, came from a roadway as I was just driving down the highway in the summer. So that dude instead pushed it around with his RC car. All right, here's the second headline. Kao and Randall are 0 for 2.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  We should say something about like Doge for that.

• 1:03:43Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, the, the news, uh, story about that RC car had mentioned that they got the RC car in a grant.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's probably some homeland security.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Chases.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  All right, headline two. Blank found in gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. Is it human toe, Titanic artifacts, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return, or rare Furby?

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Dash Point State Park is near Tacoma, Washington. Blank found in gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. Is it human toe, Titanic artifacts, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return? Or rare Furby? Which one of those is the real headline?

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  No clue on this one, but I know what I want it to be.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Okay, Randall, are you ready as well?

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm just going with a real fun one.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying, human toe found in gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. We have Randall saying rare Furby found in gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. The correct answer is human toe.

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  Cal got that one right. He wanted it to be the human toe and it was the human toe. This headline was from Seattle CBS affiliate KIRO7 News on July 9th, 2025. The box was discovered on a Puget Sound beach over Father's Day weekend. The man who found it said it was wrapped in green cloth and had a yellow bow. The toe was turned over to the King County Medical Examiner's Office who tracked down its owner. They said the digit was medically amputated and that the man who it belonged to wished to remain anonymous. So case closed. Phil is now going to show us photos of that toe. If you're watching, this is your last chance to look away before you see a very disgusting picture of a decapitated human toe.

• 1:05:41Speaker 04

  Oh, it's worse than I thought it would be.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Describe what you're seeing there, Randall.

• 1:05:47Speaker 04

  It looks like a, it looks like some sort of marine creature. It looks like a.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  Desiccated.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  It looks like an alien oyster.

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  It looks like a movie prop that you'd see and you'd be like, well, that's not what a removed human toe looks like. It just looks ridiculous, but no.

• 1:06:05Speaker 04

  There's colors that shouldn't be there.

• 1:06:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's some kind of like rock that I'd find at a gift shop.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think the color I'm assuming is the antiseptic. That they liberally hosed around the digit before they cut that baby off.

• 1:06:20Speaker 04

  Let's cut back to the, yeah, there we go. There we go.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  Human toe found in gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park.

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  I just wanted to know.

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  How did you come up with Furby?

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  Well, because I'm a child of the 90s. So you know, that like has claimed some space in my brain.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  In this particular instance, though, like the person who found it probably has legal claim if the owner of the toe is like, I don't want anything to do with it, right?

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  Uh, that person I don't think wanted it. He reported it right away and he told the news that there was a dead seagull nearby. So maybe the two are related.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  Turns out they weren't.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  Isn't Seattle where like the foot, the foot and the shoe washed up on shore?

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  Hmm. That sounds right.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  All right. Our third and final headline of the day. The newest tool for hazing wolves, blank's voice. Is it Scarlett Johansson? Eric Cartman? Christopher Walken? Or Missy Elliott? Cal and Randall, very quick to answer. Do you boys know this one?

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  I do.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  Okay. They've seen the real headline. Uh, we'll give folks listening and watching right now, though, a chance to come up with their answer. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Scarlett Johansson's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Eric Cartman's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Christopher Walken's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Missy Elliott's voice. All right.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  I would have gone with Missy Elliott's music. That were an option, but.

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  Missy Elliott's music voice.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  All right. You boys ready to reveal the correct answer?

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  Let's see them. Uh, both players saying Scarlett Johansson and they got it. The correct answer is the newest tool for hazing wolves, Scarlett Johansson's voice. That headline was from Outdoor Life on August 4th, 2025, just a few days ago. This is part of a project by the Department of Agriculture that attempts to keep wolves away from livestock. They're using a loudspeaker that broadcasts alarming sounds such as fireworks, gunshots and people arguing. Their audio of choice comes from the 2019 film Marriage Story starring Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson. In that five minute scene, Driver and Johansson scream at each other while on the brink of divorce. Here is one minute of what those wolves are hearing.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  That's a tough watch.

• 1:08:49Speaker 12

  I can't believe I had to know you forever. You're fucking insane.

• 1:08:55Speaker 13

  And you're fucking winning!

• 1:08:58Speaker 12

  Are you kidding me? I wanted to be married. I'd already lost. You didn't love me as much as I loved you.

• 1:09:08Speaker 13

  What does that have to do with LA?

• 1:09:12Speaker 13

  What?

• 1:09:13Speaker 12

  You're so merged with your own selfishness, you don't even identify it as selfishness anymore. You're such a dick!

• 1:09:22Speaker 13

  Every day I wake up and I hope you're dead. Dead like, if I can guarantee Henry would be okay. I'd hope you'd get an illness and then get hit by a car and die.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Powerful stuff. Here's a spoiler, they do get divorced.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  I was hoping that seeing that clip would stir some memory of what that movie was about, but the only thing I can recall is just them screaming at each other.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  I didn't like that.

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Tough watch. Tough watch.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  Hard stuff. Cal has pulled himself away from the table.

• 1:09:55Speaker 04

  Cartman would have been good.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  Eric Cartman would have been good. What would it sound like, Phil, if any of those other folks were delivering some audio to keep wolves away from livestock? Your choices are Eric Cartman, Christopher Walken, or Missy Elliott?

• 1:10:07Speaker 07

  Ma! Ma! Ma!

• 1:10:11Speaker 07

  Get these wolves away from this cow!

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Oh, very good. I really love that. Do you have any more? No.

• 1:10:20Speaker 05

  What are you doing by that fence? You got it all wrong.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  You don't want to be there.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  Well, no, he's not in the movie Anaconda, is he?

• 1:10:30Speaker 03

  Walken, no, isn't that?

• 1:10:31Speaker 04

  I'm thinking of Angelina Jolie's dad.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, John Voight.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, never mind.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  Do you have Christopher Walken for us, Randall?

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  No, but I was trying to come up with a Missy Elliott song, and the only one I can recall is "Get Your Freak On." And I don't really know much of it, except for just the chorus, which repeats the title of the song.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  Musical masterpiece.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  That's.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Stop. Don't go there.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  Very good. That's great.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  What? What are you doing?

• 1:10:59Speaker 03

  The watch.

• 1:11:03Speaker 03

  Shoved it up his ass.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Those cows, they're not for wolves.

• 1:11:07Speaker 04

  You got it. No, you got it all wrong. See? You got my guy all wrong here.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  I don't think that would keep the wolves away from the livestock. I'm glad. They'd be intrigued. Yeah. Cause he's such a mysterious character. They chose Adam Driver and Scar Joe screaming at each other. Alright, that's the end of today's show. Phil, let's get some final feedback.

• 1:11:24Speaker 05

  Oh goodness. Okay, I still have a bunch of, a bunch of questions from the first round that we will hit. How about some, how about some local tips without spot burning? Will says he'll be flying into Bozeman next Tuesday. Any tips for a first trip to the area? Looking to do some fishing in Alpine lakes and streams within two to three hours of Bozeman.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  Now do this without spot burning.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, Will, biggest tip, go carry on. The Bozeman Airport is an absolute mess right now.

• 1:11:47Speaker 05

  I bet, yeah, they're doing a bunch of baggage cleaning.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, and with all the guest ranch Yellowstone influx of tourism, uh, it's brutal.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  And if you feel like you're being followed by a suspicious character and you need to get away, just put on a cowboy hat.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:12:05Speaker 04

  You'll just blend in.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Yes, put on a felt cowboy hat.

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  Brand new.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  In the middle of summer in Montana, um, it seems to be a real trend.

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  In all seriousness, uh, just, just get away from people.

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, two to three hours, uh, that can get you to the other side of Yellowstone National Park. That can get you to the other side of Missoula. Um, there's a lot of fishing between here and there. Uh, go to OnX, turn on the, the layer that shows you like you're looking at Google Maps, not the aerial, and you'll see all these little bodies of water. They all have names. Uh, go type that into Google. Montana, FWP does a good job of telling you what fish are in that lake, as well as what I really like, um, how much angling pressure a body of water gets from surveys. Um, you'll see some numbers that are only double digits, like 95 angler days. That would imply no one is fishing there. Other lakes are gonna be in the thousands.

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  Um, so just, just pull up OnX, find something that looks nice and then see what the FWP has to say.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Choose your own adventure and then you get the, the. Feeling of, hey, I did that.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:13:14Speaker 05

  Zach says, speaking of gear, he sent this in a while ago. Is there a new gear item that you're bringing into the field this fall?

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  A new piece of gear you have not used yet.

• 1:13:24Speaker 03

  I have an Illinois deer tag, and so for the first time in my life, I will be hunting with a straight wall cartridge.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:13:32Speaker 04

  Straight wall Spencer.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Excited to, to give that a shot. That will be a new piece of gear for me.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Man, I got, I gotta look up what the heck it is, but I got a new razor the other day. And I'm super pumped on it. I'm not going to be bringing this into the field, but it's like a, a one-piece aluminum replaceable blade razor made here in Belgrade, Montana.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  I'm looking it up right now. I'm pumped on it.

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  Randall?

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  Great product.

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  Uh, you know, in preparation for today's segment, in case, uh, in case it wasn't clear to all.

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  Proof razor, Randall. That's what it is. It's called proof.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Great razor for shaving your face.

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  I, I don't have, I don't have, um, any new gear at the moment that I'm, I'm real excited about. I spent most of my money this, uh, most of my fun money this year on a few ill-advised, uh, fun gun projects. And a whole pile of suppressors, so, uh.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  You should, if you have gear, you should send Randall your free gear. And here's the best reason why. Someone sent him, um, some hot dogs.

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:14:40Speaker 03

  And then he posted about those hot dogs on Instagram and that video got how many views?

• 1:14:45Speaker 04

  I think it's at like 1.1 or 1.2 million now.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  He thinks, he checks.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  Something like that. Well, I don't know. There's a hundred thousand difference.

• 1:14:53Speaker 03

  That was just because some hot dogs showed up, uh, dressed to Randall's name.

• 1:14:56Speaker 04

  Guy sent me some hot dogs from Wimmer's Meats. Shout out Wimmer's Meats, I believe, in the great state of Nebraska or Kansas.

• 1:15:03Speaker 03

  It was the best marketing he could have ever done.

• 1:15:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they don't have an Instagram page, so I, I was gonna tag him in it.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  But, uh, yeah, Case Meats out there, got him. Put him up on the internet. People are, hot dogs are having a moment on the internet, so. I don't know that it's core to our audience, but it's really made the rounds with, uh, a very strange subset of people.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  Phil, what else you got?

• 1:15:24Speaker 05

  Uh, there was a question for Cal about what the best route for backpacking through the Frank Church Wilderness. Or is it Wildlife Preserve?

• 1:15:31Speaker 04

  Wilderness area.

• 1:15:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, wilderness areas. If you have any tips about where to start or where to.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Um, there is a lot of water along pretty much every access point into the Frank Church. So, um, it's a big wilderness area, but it's heavily accessible. There's a road that kind of goes all the way through it. Um, so you have lots of options. It's a gorgeous spot. Um, go for it. Yeah, no, there's no, no wrong answer there.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  Cool. Zach says, Phil, what's your Pokemon Go friend code? Um, Zach, I don't actually play a lot of Pokemon Go. The only reason I have it on my phone is for my kids. Uh, I played a lot in 2016 when it first launched. Who could forget it? Who could forget when Hillary Clinton urged us all to Pokemon Go to the polls? That worked out really well for her. That's what, that's what it was at its most, uh, most relevant. But there are a lot of people that still, that still play. I just, I don't do a lot.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  She lost the election that day when she said, uh, now we need you to Pokemon Go to the polls.

• 1:16:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yep. Uh, so.

• 1:16:37Speaker 03

  Phil's still talking about it.

• 1:16:38Speaker 05

  Sorry, sorry to start with the, the heartbreak there.

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  Uh, but Zach's question can get you to play Pokemon Go a little more now that you, you have potential friends to make?

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  Uh, maybe. I don't even, I mean, Zach, you, you tell me what I can even do in Pokemon Go these days. I only know the, all the stuff you could do nine years ago.

• 1:16:54Speaker 04

  So I, I read that as not Pokemon Go friend code. I read that as Pokemon Go friend code. And I was wondering what a Go friend code was.

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  All right, Phil, let's do a few more.

• 1:17:05Speaker 05

  Okay. Uh, let's see. Get, get in, get in some questions because I think, I think we're, uh, we're running out of, of ones that I feel like reading.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  I saw one in there about the little Miami river, Phil.

• 1:17:16Speaker 05

  Oh, sure. Yeah. Talk about it. Randall?

• 1:17:19Speaker 04

  We love the Little Miami River. It's the greatest, one of the greatest rivers in our country.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:17:24Speaker 04

  It's actually mentioned by Thomas Jefferson in his book, Notes on the State of Virginia.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:17:33Speaker 04

  And he's describing all of the rivers he's ever heard of, and he describes the Little Miami as not affording much navigation. Uh, but southwestern Ohio, just outside of Cincinnati, kind of tickles the, tickles the east side of the Cincinnati 275 Beltway. We love it. We love it. Our vice president was just floating on that river for his birthday.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  As a child, I was very confused by a few names in the country. Miami, Ohio being one of them because of their university, who's sometimes relevant in college football. So, no, there, that's Florida. And then also, um, the Washington football team. It was like, well, that's like the west coast. Um, it didn't make sense to me.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  Uh, I see.

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  How they were in the same division as the Eagles and the Cowboys.

• 1:18:14Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know how Miami, Florida got its name, but, uh.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Oh, Ohio had it first?

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  Well, it's, it's a, the, it's people. It's an indigenous, it's an indigenous, um, nation. So the Great Miami River, Little Miami River, Miami University. I don't know. There, um, maybe there was diaspora. I know like a lot of those tribes in the Ohio River Valley were, were pushed out and they created a sort of diaspora across the country. So I don't know if that's how Miami got its name, but I'd like to claim it for Ohio.

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  Yours. Bill, what else you got?

• 1:18:47Speaker 05

  Uh, Christopher says, Cal, what is your weapon of choice for your big bear hunt?

• 1:18:52Speaker 02

  I'm bringing my, I'm bringing my recurve and a 300 wind mag. So I have a, a big bear hunt coming up. Brown bear, fall brown bear in Alaska, out on the peninsula. And so it's actual coastal brown bear, which is like a, just a spoiled kid adventure, uh, that I never thought I'd do, but it's happening. Uh, so I'm going to try to sneak up on some old.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  Stanky Brown Bear with my recurve and, and um usher him silently, but effectively into a deep slumber with a well-placed, oh, 580 grain arrow. And then, uh, I'm gonna have that 300 wind mag for ideally getting a couple of wolves because there's supposed to be just a ton of wolves in this area. And then if all of this goes to plan, my big thing that I want to do is, is do, uh, like a Korean-style barbecue on the beach with Brown Bear and Wolf.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  That'll be fun.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  Phil, give us one more.

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  Uh, yippie-doo.

• 1:20:08Speaker 03

  If you got too many, choose some.

• 1:20:09Speaker 05

  This is, this is, this is great content. Oh, I had one ask, it was one for me that I don't think is interesting, so I'm trying to find another one, but I'll just say, does Phil cook, what do you do meat eater roast? The answer is, I cook a little bit, but I'm not confident enough to be in front of a camera cooking a bunch of meat that I've never cooked before. I was supposed to be a judge for one episode, but I got bumped for Randy Newberg, it was tough.

• 1:20:25Speaker 04

  Plain, because plainly after watching my episode, it's a prerequisite that one be confident in their cooking to compete in meat eater roast.

• 1:20:33Speaker 05

  Yes, of course.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  All right, before we get out of here, uh, Randall has a plug for next week's episode where we are doing a movie club.

• 1:20:40Speaker 04

  Oh, that's right. That's right. Um, next week, we will be talking about the 1997 film Wild America. One hour, 46 minutes. It tells the story of the Stoffer brothers. 29% on Rotten Tomatoes, you can stream it on Tubi, uh, for free, and I think the other, uh, streaming options out there require some sort of nominal rental fee, but I don't know how many people are actually watching these movies, so we decided that Tubi was sufficient.

• 1:21:06Speaker 03

  It's, it's quite literally free.

• 1:21:07Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  Like if you have a smart TV or any kind of

• 1:21:10Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  streaming stick service.

• 1:21:12Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:21:12Speaker 03

  Um, it's free.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  But tune in, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, uh, you might know him as the voice of young Simba, he's the star, and then, uh, Scott Bairstow stars as, uh, Marty Stoffer, the famous filmmaker, you might know him from his work, uh, opposite Kevin Costner in The Postman.

• 1:21:29Speaker 03

  Oh, alright.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  Scott Bairstow, that is Marty Stoffer, not, I don't, you know.

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  I think Phil is really going to excel in this movie club.

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's gonna be a good one, tune in.

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  His wheelhouse.

• 1:21:39Speaker 05

  You could probably do The Postman, too.

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  I know, The Postman, Waterworld, oh.

• 1:21:43Speaker 05

  He's gonna do Costner's filmography?

• 1:21:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a rich, it's a rich ouah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  All right. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. See you back here next week.

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