385 The Art and Science of Epic Adventure with Jon Levy

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 385 with John Levy.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:33Lewis Howes?

  Welcome everyone to another edition of the School of Greatness Podcast, and I am in one of my favorite places in the world right now. And that's Ohio. I'm home. I'm back home for the week because the Summit of Greatness is happening this Thursday, Friday, Saturday in Columbus, Ohio. I'm bringing 10 of some of the most inspiring inspirational speakers and thought leaders in the world in the business, health, relationship, and spirituality world to Columbus to put on an epic three-day experience to help people unlock their inner greatness at summitofgreatness.com. Make sure to check it out. Get your last minute tickets. We've got hundreds and hundreds of people flying in from all over the world.

• 1:17Lewis Howes?

  And I am so pumped to meet everyone in person. So get your last minute ticket to Columbus, Ohio at summitofgreatness.com. It just feels good to be here. I'm here about four days early to really make sure I ground myself, that I do all the last minute planning and details. I'll tell you what, putting on a big event like this, an annual big event, is at least for the first year, it's been a challenging experience. I'll say that. It's been fun. It's been awesome to produce and to create and bring my vision from my mind and bring it to life. I love being able to take ideas and make them come true and bring them into the world so that other people can experience my ideas. For me, that's something

• 2:02Lewis Howes?

  I feel like I'm an artist in a sense that I that I create products and bring things to life. That's what I like to do. Our guest today is a buddy of mine. His name is John Levy. And John is a behavior expert, consultant, writer, and keynote speaker, best known for his work in the fields of influence and social experience. He's all about the art and science of creating epic adventures in our life. And he's worked with countless brands and companies to support their efforts in consumer engagement, customer acquisition, and product development. He's also the founder of something that I met him through, which is the Influencers Dinner, which is a private community and dining experience for tastemakers and industry leaders

• 2:46Lewis Howes?

  and celebrities. Combining years of experience running influencer dinners and research, John has developed a deep understanding in designing social experiences and creating influencer programs for brands. He's a fascinating guy. I think you're gonna enjoy this a lot. Some of the things we covered are the difference between being productive and being exciting, and what that actually means. How the misattribution of arousal creates bonds with strangers, and what that means. The story of how John almost got killed at Running of the Bulls. There are four stages of adventure that John breaks down that he's created as well, these four

• 3:28Lewis Howes?

  different stages, and why it's important to end any adventure you have with style, and the ways in style in which you can end them. Very excited about this. I hope you guys enjoy this one. If you do, make sure to share it out over on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, tag me everywhere, @lewishouse, lewishouse.com/385 for all the show notes, the links that we talk about in this episode. And the full video interview is posted there well, which goes to our YouTube channel. So make sure to check that out and like up and leave a comment on that YouTube video also. Get ready for episode number 385 with the one, the only, John Levy.

• 4:14Lewis Howes?

  All right. Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. Very excited about our guest, John Levy in the house. Good to see you, man.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  So good to see you.

• 4:20Lewis Howes?

  Pumped for this. You've got a new book out called The 2 AM Principle. Discover the Science of Adventure. And the cool thing about your book here, you have a little spinning wheel on the front to show people who are watching the YouTube video where you can choose kind of like your own adventure. And you kind of break it down here. So I'm very excited about this. The Science of Adventure, you are essentially a social experience scientist yourself, correct?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 4:47Lewis Howes?

  And tell us a little bit about that.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  So I'm a human behavior scientist. I do actual research on human behavior, anything ranging from, why do people date on mobile networks? Or you know, like Tinder, Hinge, stuff like that, to why people use coupons or not. And I'll do research to kind of figure out what you'll do, how to affect your behavior. And I specialize kind of on two things. One is influence, what affects your decision making. And then the second is the science of adventure. What causes you to live a fun, exciting and remarkable life?

• 5:21Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  And

• 5:22Lewis Howes?

  You have a great quote in here or a great saying about the 2 AM principle. And what is that?

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Oh, that nothing good happens after 2 AM, except the most epic experiences of your life.

• 5:32Lewis Howes?

  Now, someone would probably have great debates with you and say, well, you know, having a good routine and having going to bed by 11 o'clock every night. So I have like good sleep patterns, so I can be optimized during the day. I actually might have a better experience.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:45Lewis Howes?

  But you say that the greatest experiences you've ever had are after 2 AM.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  I would definitely agree on that. And I think that routines are critical, right? So there's a difference between living an exciting life and being really productive, right?

• 5:58Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  So when I want to be productive, I follow a routine.

• 6:01Lewis Howes?

  You go to bed at 10 o'clock at night.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Well, maybe not 10. I mean, like, I like the quiet hours to get some work done. And it's, and especially I live in New York, so it's so active that I don't even get home until, you know, later hour.

• 6:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  But those quiet hours are critical, either early in the morning or late in the evening. But when you're talking about excitement, you need something that stands out. And it's really tough to have something stand out and be part of a routine. And so in those portions of your life where you're really dedicating yourself to push your boundaries, grow, you're going to find that you can't, it's tough to grow when you're in a routine.

• 6:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  In the same way. And so.

• 6:44Lewis Howes?

  You're growing a different way in a routine.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:45Lewis Howes?

  Maybe people say in a routine, well, you're going to get stronger, you're going to do, you know.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  You optimize in a routine.

• 6:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Right. But when you're talking about feeling comfortable in social situations, you have to throw yourself out there. When you're talking about even growing physically, when you're going to push your limits, then you have to go out somewhere different because you're going to be stifled within the environments that you're used to. In fact, we know the brain operates fundamentally differently in new environments. Our brain reacts by wanting to explore and understand, right? Because if, I think the theory is that if I'm alive right now and I recognize and understand the environment, I'll continue to be alive. But if I'm in a new environment, then hold on, I need to understand what's going on

• 7:31Speaker 01

  in order to continue my life. And so we develop this thirst for exploration when we're in new environments. And that's one of the, I discussed this at length in the.

• 7:39Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  The book.

• 7:40Lewis Howes?

  Now, why did you, were you growing up, did you not have any adventure? Were you like this nerdy kid that was scared to risk things or?

• 7:48Speaker 01

  I would say that that would be a lovely description of myself. It was way worse than that.

• 7:54Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. I mean, like, so bad. And I was the geeky kid before it was cool to be geeky, right? So at a certain point, like, people had iPhones, and so apps were cool, and there were these billion-dollar dot-com success stories. And so, you, oh, you have a startup? You could be really successful and cool. When I was growing up, there was none of that. I was like the biggest loser because I liked programming and Star Trek and all the geeky things. And in eighth grade, my teacher, like, bless her soul, had.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Throughout the seating chart for our classroom, and then let all of us secretly submit two people we want to sit down next to and two people we don't want to sit down next to. And through this really unfortunate series of events, I found out that nobody wanted to sit down next to me. And I was heartbroken. And I had this choice of either like I'd be relegated to a life of solitude or I would dedicate myself to understanding what causes the decisions that we make and what causes people to connect and relate and become friends. And I said, you know what? What I really lack in social skills, I more than make up for in my love of science. And so I might not be able to approach this the way that like the cool kids in the class can.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  But I have my own skill set. And if I use that, maybe I can figure this out. What would you say is your superpower then? Wow, my superpower is in finding patterns, right? Not like a code breaker in like, you know, Beautiful Mind, but more like in social situations. I can see interactions between people. And I actually kind of do math when I see people interacting. And I can maybe predict to some degree how people will react. So I'll look at a group and I'll say, okay, there's a 30% chance that if I invite them to come with me, that they will. And in fact, last night, I got, I was in LA. My dinner plans canceled.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  I got a call from my brother saying, hey, I'm coincidentally in San Jose, not in San Jose, San Diego, sorry, for a concert. Come down. So I just hopped on the train. I was there like two and a half hours later. And we went to this concert. We met all these random strangers. We filled a van, went to the hotel, met random strangers at the hotel, convinced them within 15 seconds of meeting them that they should pile into our van, took them all to a nightclub and then danced until three o'clock in the morning. Wow, this was last night? This was last night. And then you got on a train and came here. Yeah, well, because I'm definitely not going to miss hanging out with you. Exactly. So, but it's because I've been studying the science behind our social interaction

• 10:38Speaker 01

  and put myself year after year after year in these really uncomfortable situations and tested like. If I approach this group, will they let me in or will I get shunned?

• 10:48Lewis Howes?

  So you have like a, you know, a scientific data in your mind when you look, you see a group of girls, guys, whoever, women, adults, kids, that if you ask them a question to come do something with you, you're like, I have a 20% chance in this situation based on the weather, the time, the, like, is that the way you think?

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I'll give you examples. Okay.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Have you ever heard of the Ben Franklin effect? It's this kind of odd characteristic. People always know that if you do me a favor, I'll, there's reciprocity.

• 11:18Lewis Howes?

  reciprocity, yeah, yeah.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  It actually also turns out that if I ask you, or I ask somebody to do me a favor, they'll like me more after because they've invested time and effort into me. And so

• 11:32Lewis Howes?

  If they agree to do a favor.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, correct. But what's also really interesting is that if you begin by asking somebody for a small favor, they're more likely then to do a follow-up favor that's bigger.

• 11:44Lewis Howes?

  For example, like, oh, can you do me a favor and tell me what time it is?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:47Lewis Howes?

  Something simple. It's like, oh, let me check my phone.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  But that's literally what the experiment, or one of the famous experiments on the topic was.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  People would be stopped and asked for directions and most people would continue walking and not give them. But then they stop people, ask them for the time. And once they got the time from them, asked them for directions and almost everybody gave them directions.

• 12:07Lewis Howes?

  Right, like 90% probably.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever it was. But the, the, the point is that if you stack asking for favors, people will feel more committed to you and more invested. And so there's a whole collection of research around this that shows that those kind of, by getting people to invest into you, it creates stronger bonds. So when I approach a group, I might begin by asking them a favor like, hey, do you mind taking a photo? And then they go, yeah, and I take a photo and I go, you know what, get in the photo, come here. And so now we have inclusion.

• 12:42Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  And then I keep stacking the interactions between us. Because my goal is, you know, I've traveled a lot, I've seen a lot of things, and the one thing that drives me more than anything is the people I get to meet.

• 12:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  I get to discover these incredible stories and cultures and traditions that I never knew existed. And there's no better feeling than At the end of a night, or five o'clock in the morning, the sun is coming up. I'm on the beach with these people I've never, like, I would have never imagined existed. And I would count them among some of my closest friends now because like, we went moonlight cliff jumping in Greece, you know, it's, and those kinds of experiences bond us so much. So I-

• 13:24Lewis Howes?

  Much more than just like going to a coffee shop with a friend.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:28Lewis Howes?

  You do something adventurous with someone else, you feel a deeper sense of connection, correct?

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Absolutely. There's actually something also called the misattribution of arousal, which is, there's this famous study that was done, and when I say arousal, I'm talking just about heightened and elevated physical state, right? So your heart is pumping, adrenaline-

• 13:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  And so the experiment that was done was, men were asked to cross bridges. And in the first scenario, the bridge was a very sturdy, safe bridge, and they just walked across. And at the other side, there was a lovely and attractive woman who asked them, I think, some questions and gave her number for follow-up issues or whatever it was. And then the second group had to cross a high ropes course bridge. So their heart was racing, and when they got to the other side, same thing, there was a woman there. And what happened was that the men who were on the high ropes bridge ended up having a, end up calling her disproportionately, asking her out.

• 14:28Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 14:29Speaker 01

  And the belief is that because they had that elevated heart rate and that elevated state of arousal, then they confused it for attraction. And so it had them act more. Similarly, you can accelerate the way that you bond and connect with people by heightening the situations that you're in.

• 14:46Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  So when you can create this level of excitement and fun and joy, it, my belief is that it, it really goes and accelerates the relationship.

• 14:56Lewis Howes?

  What are some examples you could do to, to elevate that, the arousal, in any type of situation, whether you're-

• 15:02Speaker 01

  So, you know what I'd love to do is, I would like to give a definition for adventure.

• 15:07Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Okay, because I, I spent a lot of time looking for a unified explanation of what an adventure is. And here's how I define it. An adventure is, one, an experience that is exciting and remarkable. Now, it has to be remarkable because as a species, we've spent thousands of years passing our knowledge down.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Through an oral history, through commenting on things. And just like why people listen to this show is that the content that you're providing is remarkable. It's worth talking about unless the experience is worth talking about. It's not culturally significant.

• 15:38Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Two possesses adversity and or risk, preferably perceived risk. Now.

• 15:46Lewis Howes?

  Not like a I'm gonna die risk.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Precisely.

• 15:48Lewis Howes?

  But I feel like.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:50Lewis Howes?

  Terrified that it could happen.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  So like if you go cliff diving, if you go bungee jumping or skydiving, right? Skydiving is incredibly safe in comparison to climbing Everest, which has a huge fatality rate, which means that you can experience a heightened physical response

• 16:12Speaker 01

  as if you're in danger without actually putting yourself in any real danger. And so, and then the final is, the third is it brings about growth. The person you are at the end is distinct from the person who started, right? Because if you look at any great journey, the hero or heroine is changed by the experience.

• 16:30Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  And so, just like I would, my hunch is that when you bring guests on here and talk about growth, like, right, that the benefit of going through a lot of experiences isn't just the stories you get to tell. It's the person you get to be in the process and the person you become. Because you, when you've expanded, you have a new skill set. And that's what the real prize is, that now I can do all these additional things that I previously couldn't. So, things that can elevate the experience are things that just stand outside of our comfort zone. So, I say that there's three basic boundaries. You can claim that there are more, but there's physical boundaries, right? I'm scared of climbing over this wall and sneaking in somewhere, right?

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Or I'm scared of trying to run a marathon because, oh, my God, it's going to, you know, hurt. Like, who knows what?

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Then there's social boundaries. Now, these are boundaries that aren't necessarily real, right? It's.

• 17:31Lewis Howes?

  Perceived like rules or perceived fears.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 17:33Lewis Howes?

  Like, oh, I could never go up and talk to this person and ask them to come on a trip with me.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:38Lewis Howes?

  In 10 seconds, like you've done, right?

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Well, yes, and I'll definitely share that story if you want. It's probably one of my crazier ones, but. It's we've inherited a set of beliefs from our culture that we believe are true. And we treat them as if they're physically stopping us. Now, in most cases, these are important for a functional society, right? Because if we push certain ones out of the way, then we alienate people, right? If you stop showering, nobody's going to want to sit next to you.

• 18:10Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  If you, there's nothing stopping you from throwing your food on the floor and eating that. But like, to what end? And it serves no benefit. But other social boundaries, there's nothing stopping you from serenading people on the New York City subway. Right? Or like, you know, panhandling, like there's, just for the experience.

• 18:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, or writing poetry for someone or reading it aloud to them or something like that.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have this internal belief of what's right in society and what's wrong. And in a lot of cases, we made that up in childhood or got it passed down from our parents. And a culture that might no longer be relevant.

• 18:44Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  And so pushing those boundaries makes us feel kind of invincible. The problem is that you have to be careful. There's something called the winner effect. And that's when you experience a win, your body floods with testosterone. And in nature, the idea would be then you're prepared for your next battle and you have a higher chance of success. But if you keep winning and keep winning and keep winning, you get to a point where you think that you can't fail. And then you're at risk of really hurting yourself. So animals in nature that experience this spend too much time in the open and then get hunted. Or they get into fights that are unnecessary and get themselves killed. And so there's a great book called The Hour Between Dog and Wolf, which talks about how

• 19:28Speaker 01

  the biggest risk to our economy may have been that stock traders were experiencing this. And then they thought they couldn't fail. And then they were taking bets that were just not.

• 19:40Lewis Howes?

  Crazy risks.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:41Lewis Howes?

  Just like, I want to win no matter what and crash.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  And frankly, I didn't understand this until I went to Running of the Bulls in Pamplona. And I'm, you know, I prepared for months, training to, in cardio to make the, do the run and survive it. And I like luckily made it through the run. And then I didn't know that there's a second half where if you're in the stadium, they let the bulls in one at a time. And you go toe to toe with them.

• 20:05Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Now, I'm completely flooded with adrenaline and testosterone and dopamine, right? Like my, my neurochemistry is off the charts. And so I decide, oh, you know, it's obvious, I'm going to run up to this bull and touch it. Oh, my gosh, you're crazy. And so I go and do it. And then I'm like, wait, that's still not enough. I can definitely do something way tougher than that. I can ride the bull. So I run up to the bull and I slap it on its butt. No way. So you touch it the first time? I just touched it. I was like, yeah, it was fine. And I was like, then I slap it on its butt and I run away. And I was like, okay, there has to be something more intense than I can do. Oh, so you slap it on butt, nothing? Like, no, it responded, but I got out of there. And right there's. There was someone else there that he tried to chase or whatever. Yeah. And then, like, other people do crazy stuff. They jump, like they, like parkour style. No, over.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Over. No way. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. How do they jump a bull? I, like, listen, it's beyond the. The adrenaline is like so high, okay. And so the, the ultimate test, in theory, is when bulls enter the stadium, they open two gates and they run up a, like a plank. Uh huh. And they kind of jump in. And what people do is they lie down on the ground right in front of where the bull's entrance is. And the bull is supposed to know just through nature to jump over everyone. And they clear like 12 people, like, literally like five people deep, five people wide or something like that. Yeah. Oh, you've got to see the photos of this. So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to take the safest position, right, all the way, like on the left and the bull's coming at me. And I am like crouched down on the sand. My gosh, you're insane.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  And it's going to make its jump and it slips. Oh, no. And I knew, like, in that moment, I am done. I am done. And the bull misses its jump, lands flat on my back. No way. Full hoof, and I lose all feeling in my torso. And, like, there's thousands of people screaming and it just goes quiet. And I am not sure if I'm paralyzed or not. And time stops. And I'm literally sitting there thinking, not even sitting, I'm just like pushed into the ground, thinking, I have spent my life living on the edge of, like, of craziness. And now I might spend the rest of it in a wheelchair.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  My gosh. And I have to be either okay with that, or I'm going to regret it for the rest of my life. And I'm like, okay, this is it. I'm okay with this and I'm not going to change, even if I'm in a wheelchair. Wow. And time started up and I like literally was shouting at my legs to move and somehow they started moving, but it was really clear something was wrong with my torso. Like I'm shouting for a doctor, but literally nobody's responding because there's too many messed up bodies. Everyone's getting messed up. Yeah. So like the people are dragging bodies out of the way. Oh my gosh. And somebody taps me and is like, oh, go, there's triage.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  I go in, I start passing out and a nurse helps me and like shakes me awake and the pain was so overwhelming, I couldn't speak. And a doctor came over and eventually I was like, no, it's, I wasn't hit in the head. It's just my shoulder and he takes my arm, extends it and starts rotating it. Oh. I'm like literally holding back screams. Yeah. And I'm not sure if my shoulder's dislocated, broken, like what's going on. But you feel extreme pain. Oh my God. Not like nothing I've ever experienced. Yeah. And he goes, it's just a contusion. Get out of here. And I'm like, first of all, what's a contusion? Second of all, I'm not going anywhere. I was just going unconscious. Yeah. And he's like, you have two minutes and a contusion's a bad bruise. And all I could think is like bruising is what happens to fruit.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Not like world-class adventures. This is far too embarrassing. If I had like a broken bone, it would be okay. So I end up at the hospital and, and I, I have this photo of me at the emergency room, separate doctor, and he's like, you shouldn't get on a plane. There might be air trapped around your lungs. Oh. And if you go and fly, your lungs will collapse mid-air and you'll die. And, and there's this photo of a hoof print in my shoulder. Oh my gosh. It's a full, like you look at it and you see. Do you have this photo somewhere? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. I have to see this. And so it's, it's literally imprinted into my. Oh. Body. It's like two ton of a beast. Yeah. It's like a 1,500 pounds, right?

• 24:29Speaker 01

  And I took six months of physical therapy. I couldn't get in and out of bed by myself. It was like a total mess. So.

• 24:37Lewis Howes?

  I've been there. I've had experiences like that just from playing football, you know, breaking ribs and not being able to move and just being miserable for months. So I feel the pain, but it's crazy, man.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  It was absolutely insane. I still have like back problems and I'm lucky to be alive.

• 24:51Lewis Howes?

  That's great. Well, it was worth it?

• 24:54Speaker 01

  It was worth it to be the type of person that does it.

• 24:57Lewis Howes?

  It's not worth to have the injury?

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. Just like it was, you'd never look back at your sports career and go, no, I wish I wasn't an athlete because it defined you. It defined your character. It made you grow.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  But I wouldn't be me if I didn't say yes.

• 25:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. You wish it wouldn't have gotten landed on.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:17Lewis Howes?

  You could have had the experience without the pain.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 25:20Lewis Howes?

  Sometimes you get a little messy when you go after some adventures.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:23Lewis Howes?

  And this one was more risky than others. And you knew that people get injured every year and that the possibility is 50 50 probably. You never know.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's completely unpredictable. And a lot of people also get injured because other people act crazy and so they stampede on each other. So it's, listen, those things are dangerous and I do not recommend it to anybody. And like you, there are people every year that don't come home.

• 25:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  And so, yeah.

• 25:50Lewis Howes?

  It's crazy. What, list off maybe like the top three other adventures, just in like a sentence, like a synopsis of like a few more crazy adventures you've done there.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  So every year I do a travel project. So one year I, and the reason I was in Pamplona is I said, every month I'll go to the biggest event in the world, wherever it is. Now I had no idea I was going to pay for it. Right? I, I just set an audacious goal and I was like, okay, I'm going to announce this to all of my friends. And my friends were like awesome about that. Like come and stay with me and here's a book and people like literally mailed me books with like lists of crazy, cool things around the world. And so one of the things I did was I went to Cannes Film Festival, Cannes Film Festival in, in France. I didn't really enjoy the film festival, but while I was, because like it's, you know, it's not my scene. I'm not in, in film or anything.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  But while I was in France, I was alone one night and I dropped myself off in Nice with no place to stay. I don't speak French. I've never been to Nice, don't know anything about it. And my deal with myself was either I was going to convince a stranger to put me up for the night, or I was going to sleep on the street.

• 27:00Lewis Howes?

  I've done that. Go ahead, tell your story and I'll share mine.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  But so what ended up happening was I, at the beginning of the night, I had no idea what I was going to do. And I was walking through the streets and it was like quiet because I think it was a Wednesday or something. Nothing was going on. And eventually I got directions from somebody at a bar and they said, oh, check out this, this expat bar. And when I walked in, it was packed, like hundreds of people standing on tables, live cover band, all that. And there was this really cute girl that all the guys were walking up to, trying to hit on and failing miserably. And I was like, you know, what would make this story amazing is if she put me up for the night.

• 27:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  So I, I see it's like 90 degrees in there because of all the dancing, it's a kind of closed room. So I have the waiter, bartender, deliver a bottle of water, like a large bottle of water for her and all of her friends. And she came into, she came over to me to speak to me and she's like, why not a drink? And I'm like, because it's so hot. I'm sure all those other guys offered you drinks. And she's like, eh, good point.

• 28:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  And

• 28:10Lewis Howes?

  So you did something different?

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Not only something different, but like I tried to put myself in their state, right? So every other guy is looking to just kind of take advantage or get her drunk or whatever it is. And I'm more socially driven than I am like the other aspect, right? Like I love bringing people together and the more the merrier. And so it was about her and her friend. Anyway, I get into a conversation with her and I really underestimated how much the language barrier would be an issue. And so for like 20 minutes, every time I spoke, I just was like in quicksand. Neither of us understood each other and it had nowhere to go. And I was ready to give up and just be like, okay, I'm gonna sleep on the street.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  And so every time I grabbed a drink, there was this group of four guys there that were like very dapper and dressed in British. And I was like, hey, maybe if I befriend these guys, they'll put me up for the night. And so it was like one or two in the morning at that point. And I treat a round of shots and I'm like to the adventure and let's make it epic. And we ended up going on a bar crawl through Nice. And then they're like, okay, let's get in a cab. And we went 25, maybe 20 minutes out. And I had no idea where we were. It's like close to four o'clock in the morning.

• 29:29Lewis Howes?

  Cool.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  And when I get out of the cab, they'd left me with a bill and disappeared.

• 29:35Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm totally screwed. I don't know if I have any enough money to get another cab. Like, don't even know how to call one here. And I realized that they're walking, like, I see them. They walk into this house and it's a three-story chateau on the border of Monaco. It turns out that every one of these guys came from some like prominent British family. I never asked who they were or their background or anything. None of that mattered when we were like hanging out.

• 30:01Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  And so I ended up in this gorgeous house with a full service staff. I cooked everybody breakfast.

• 30:05Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  And then like the next morning, he pulled out like a Bentley or something and drove me back into town. And there I was on like a train, thinking back like, how did I go from being homeless to staying in a castle?

• 30:16Lewis Howes?

  That's amazing, dude. I did, I had a similar experience when I was, God, I had, I must have been 25, 26. I was poor, sleeping on my sister's couch. And there was a sports film festival in Philadelphia that I wanted to go to to start meeting some people, professionals in the sports industry. I bought a Greyhound ticket to get there. I literally had maybe a hundred bucks total.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 30:38Lewis Howes?

  This whole trip. I bought a Greyhound ticket to get there. Took like twenty hours, whatever, because it's a million stops. I have one sport jacket, like suit jacket, that's the only nice thing I have. And I'm trying to look professional, but I've, this is my first event I've ever been to.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 30:53Lewis Howes?

  Uh, with like adults, right? And I remember I, I had a hostel for the couple nights I was there. And it was like sixteen bucks, seventeen bucks. The first night I get there, twenty bunk beds in the room, all European guys. And I get back late, probably three or four o'clock at night, and there's throw up all over the door, all over the floor, in the bathroom, everywhere. And they're just snoring like European dudes. And I was just miserable, but I was like, this is all I can afford. The next night I go back there, they say, sorry, we, we overbooked, we don't have your bed anymore. So it's like two AM at this point. I tried to call my buddy who had an apartment there. She was already asleep. I'm literally walking around with my carry-on luggage, whatever, in the streets of Philadelphia.

• 31:37Lewis Howes?

  And I'm like, I'm gonna have to sleep on like this thing here, like a bench or wherever, because my Greyhound isn't till later the next day, like what am I gonna do?

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:45Lewis Howes?

  So I go into a bar, and I don't drink, but I go into a bar and just strike up conversations to see if I could have someone let me crash. And I remember convincing this guy to let me crash in his futon and just like building a relationship, building rapport. I'm not sure what favors I asked or anything like that, but I was just building connection. It was like, I, I have nowhere to sleep tonight, can you let me crash? And ended up letting me in and it was great. I don't remember his name or-

• 32:07Speaker 01

  That's incredible.

• 32:08Lewis Howes?

  But um, it's, it's amazing what we can create as human beings if we put ourselves out there.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:13Lewis Howes?

  If we give ourselves a challenge and we're able to connect with other people and really go for it. I think we can do anything we want. With no money, with no plans, we can make it happen.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  I, you know, one of the things that I, I say is that I discovered there's four stages to every adventure.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  And contrary to popular belief, people think that uh, most adventures happen by random luck or chance. But if that were true, we'd all live similarly exciting lives, right? If it's just random, and we don't. So there's something that people embody that live really exciting lives and other characteristics that people embody that have them live more tame lives. And so when you're, the first step of any adventure is to establish the right elements in place so that anything can happen. Most important is the people you're with, right? And I'm sure you have people often come on and discuss how like, oh, your five closest friends are the average. And there's research by, do you know, has anybody ever discussed Nicholas Christakis and James Fowler's research?

• 33:13Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  This is, and listeners, you are going to love this. This is one of my favorite studies of all time. Christakis and Fowler were curious about the obesity epidemic. And what they did was they were curious if it was an epidemic that transferred from person to person, like a cold, right? Somebody sneezes, it passes, or if it's a percentage of the population, right? Certain diseases that just randomly occur, percentage of the population. And which one is it? It turns out it transfers from person to person. So if you have a friend who's obese, then just knowing them increases your chances of obesity by 45%.

• 33:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Let's say, I don't know that person, but I'm friends with you. So I have a 25% increased chance. My friends, who don't know anybody else, have a 10% and their friends have a 5% increased chance of obesity. Christakis and Fowler found that this effect is also true for smoking, voting habits, divorce, marriage, happiness.

• 34:12Lewis Howes?

  Wealth, or generating wealth, right?

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Everything, like all of it passes through your social network.

• 34:18Lewis Howes?

  If all your friends are making a lot of money, you have a greater chance of making a lot of money.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 34:22Lewis Howes?

  If all your friends eat junk food, you have a greater chance of eating junk food.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  And that's exactly, because if I'm at a meal with you and you're eating a lot, and you're probably eating more than me because you're an athlete and you're a big guy, then I'm compelled to eat more because I have permission now. And so that's just one of the many ways that we affect each other. And so the most important thing you can do to have an adventurous life is curate people around you that support that. Just like, if you want to be successful, you want to have the right people around you. And so... And in addition to that, I also say that it's important to explore a new location because, as we discussed, your brain operates differently. But beyond that, something that you pointed to right now are the constraints that we have on us. So I think it's it's critical to have a mission, some goal that drives the behavior.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  And having fun isn't a mission. Having fun is a byproduct of the activity.

• 35:15Lewis Howes?

  So an end result is what you're saying.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, for example, a mission could be as diverse as, I'm gonna take somebody out on a date and by the end of the date, we will have performed three acts of kindness for strangers.

• 35:27Lewis Howes?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Or what if it was, and then we'll add a constraint, okay? A constraint could be, we can only spend $5 to do it. Now, because of the constraints.

• 35:38Lewis Howes?

  You could be creative, you could think.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  That's exactly it.

• 35:40Lewis Howes?

  Explore.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Precisely, so environments that seemed really mundane, like you live in a small town and you can, it's like either the bar or the theater.

• 35:48Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Now you can say, okay, well, at $5, let's go into CVS, see what we can come up with. Maybe we can create like a simple meal, maybe we can create like a beautiful postcard to support somebody who's homeless, to know that they're not alone, right? And all of a sudden, the entire experience transforms. Because at that point, you're doing something that's exciting and remarkable. Possesses adversity and a risk, you have a challenge, you have these constraints that you have to deal with. There's a risk of success and failure. And three, the person you are at the end, I'm sure would be different than the person who started, if you've been a contribution to three random people.

• 36:24Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  But it could be that on one end, two, you know, my little brother has never kissed anybody, right? Like, let's help him meet somebody cute. Two, whatever it is, right? Maybe it's, instead, I am going out for drinks, I'm not allowed to go anywhere I've already been, right? And then you're exposed, maybe you'll end up at a biker bar, even though that's not a place you'd normally go to, but you'll have a diversity of experience. And we've found that creativity grows as the wealth of experiences that you have. So when you're exposed to all these different cultures, hey, you know, it never occurred to me to maybe go to a transvestite fashion show, but attending that increases the wealth of experience in my life. And so.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  My policy is say yes to anything that won't kill you.

• 37:14Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:16Lewis Howes?

  I like it. What were the four parts then of the formula to create your adventure?

• 37:19Speaker 01

  So that was just the first stage. The first stage is establish, where you put the right elements in place so that anything can happen. Not that it will, but so that it can. The next stage is push boundaries. You have to cross some kind of social, physical, or emotional boundary. You have to grow. The third is increase, where you maximize the emotional value of the environment you're in. So you went to grab some drinks with some friends? Well, if you're in a bar, maybe you can create a challenge. I challenge you to go talk to that group. I challenge you to whatever task it is.

• 37:50Lewis Howes?

  Get a free drink.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:52Lewis Howes?

  Something.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  It could be anything from tie a cherry stem with your tongue to like, you know, yeah, talk to strangers, or maybe there's some game like Buck Hunter or whatever. You could do whatever it is, right?

• 38:06Speaker 01

  To, you could do surprises, intrigue, where you draw people in through unknown elements to whatever it is. And then the last stage is continue. Here, you have to decide if you're going to go back through and loop through the process in a new location. And to consider that, you look at something called the rate. The rate is the risk and unpredictability of the next location. So if you increase risk, it increases excitement. You might want to do that if you want to make the group more active, or if they've just experienced something very tough and you want to calm them down, you want to reduce risk.

• 38:39Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Activity and ambiance, so what you're actually going to be doing. Transportation, right? If I'm with somebody who's wearing high heels, I can't walk that far. If people have been drinking, we can't get behind the wheel of a car.

• 38:52Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  If we're a really large group, transportation in Ubers or cabs becomes complex.

• 38:57Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  So it has an effect on how far you can go. And if you decide to continue, you loop through the process. But otherwise, the E is for end with style. And so it's one of the most important things, and I cannot emphasize this enough, is to end with style. And the reason is research by Nobel laureate Dan Kahneman. He wrote a book called Thinking Fast, Thinking Slow. He's one of the great minds of the past 100 years. And I think this will serve as an example of why. Let's say you go on a date. You're single. You are totally head over heels for this person. It's your first date and you're just having the most incredible time.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  And it's three hours in and you realize that you're just about that point where like you guys are going to lean in for the kiss and butterflies or you're feeling them. And in that moment, they look you in the eyes and say the most god awful thing you have ever heard in your life. And you go home and your friend asks, good date or bad date? And you say?

• 39:58Lewis Howes?

  Bad, bad date. It was good until the end.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Most people would be like, oh, it was a bad date.

• 40:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. So it's the last impression, right?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  So Kahneman discovered that we don't really process the duration of pleasure or pain. What we remember are the peaks of inexperience and how they end. To the point that he ran an experiment, a series of experiments where people experienced more total pain. But because the ending was lower than it was earlier on, they preferred it to shorter and less pain.

• 40:31Lewis Howes?

  At the end.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. So his experiment was about how adding more pain in terms of duration, but at a lower level.

• 40:39Lewis Howes?

  But finishing with style.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Finishing at a lower pain point actually caused people to remember it more pleasantly. So it was like.

• 40:47Lewis Howes?

  Even if it's like agony the whole time, right?

• 40:49Speaker 01

  I know, but it's seriously like they did with people who were getting a prostate exam, a proctological exam. And they left the instruments in a little bit longer, but in a non painful scenario. And people remembered it more fondly.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  They also did one where they had people put their hands in ice water for 60 seconds versus 90 seconds. But in the 90 second version, the last 30 seconds, they slowly raised it one degree. And so it's a virtually imperceptible difference, but people were then asked.

• 41:20Lewis Howes?

  Noticed it.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Then they were asked, which do you want to repeat? And they chose 90 seconds of discomfort.

• 41:26Lewis Howes?

  Over 60.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because it ended slightly better.

• 41:29Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's fascinating.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  So what happens is that people often try to push their experiences way past the point of enjoyment. And so. What they'll end up remembering is something less fondly. Then they'll also be more tired the next day if it's at night, be regretful the next morning, and be less likely to participate in the future. So what you end up with is a confluence of negative feedback. And so the 2 a.m. principle is nothing good happens after 2 a.m. except the most epic experiences of your life. And epic is establish, push boundaries, increase, continue. The four stages of an adventure. So the book is designed to guide you through the process of living this epic life and know when to call it

• 42:16Speaker 01

  so you remember it fondly, or when to push past those boundaries, ensuring that you have this incredible experience.

• 42:22Lewis Howes?

  I love this. Make sure you guys go get the book, The 2 a.m. Principle. Discover the science of adventure. Check it out right now. The book is out at this moment. I also have it linked up here in the show notes. I want to finish with a few final questions with you, John. And one is, what are you most grateful for recently in your life?

• 42:40Speaker 01

  I have to say, I'm constantly struck by how fortunate I am to have the friends and family that I do. I, you know, who you end up with in terms of family is a lottery. And I have an incredibly loving, supportive family that, and I was a difficult child, dyslexic. I grew up with all these learning disabilities and everything, and they just stuck by me. And I never thought I'd be able to write a book, but they were like, no, you go.

• 43:06Lewis Howes?

  Me and you, same, man. Same thing. It's crazy.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  And yeah, I have this incredibly supportive community of friends. I've been very careful to bring them together, which is how we met.

• 43:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  And I was like, I want good people in my life. So we ended up becoming friends.

• 43:19Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  And that's probably what I'm most thankful for.

• 43:21Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. And what do you, you also have the Influencers Dinner, which tells quickly what that is and?

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Sure. So I looked at how to connect with the most influential people in our culture. I developed a model to understand it.

• 43:35Lewis Howes?

  Scientific model, of course.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes, exactly. And then from that, I created a dinner where 12 people are invited at a time. They're not allowed to talk about what they do or even give their last name. They cook dinner together. And when they sit down to eat, they get to find out who they're sitting with. And they find out that it's a famous author, a Nobel laureate, an Olympic medalist.

• 43:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Popular podcaster and bestselling author like yourself. And I've hosted over 800 people across 80 something dinners in seven cities, two countries. We just launched a summer camp, which was

• 44:11Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Insanity. And so I'm really, really proud that I've been able to convince that many people to cook me dinner.

• 44:18Lewis Howes?

  It's a cool experience. I've done it and it was definitely cool. You know, we didn't know, no one could ask what you do and you're just kind of like having fun and your guard is kind of down because you're not trying to really impress anyone. You're just like connecting and then, oh, the person across from me was a Nobel Peace Prize winner. Oh, I didn't even know that, you know? So it's like, it's a cool experience.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  It's, it's, I think, mind boggling.

• 44:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's really cool.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  I remember.

• 44:42Lewis Howes?

  You said you had like Isaiah Thomas, like cook you dinner one time and like wash your dishes or something like that?

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Some people, like people's memories are often like, I walked into John's house and Isaiah Thomas was washing dishes.

• 44:53Lewis Howes?

  That's funny.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  And he's the nicest guy, but at that same dinner, people were making guacamole and some tall woman, she was 5'10", I was talking about like her division three basketball career. And, and had no idea who she was telling about this. And so at the second half, when we were sitting and guessing, everybody guessed what Isaiah does. And he's like, actually, you know, I'm a pretty popular basketball player. I was MVP this many times.

• 45:25Lewis Howes?

  A lot of people didn't know or?

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Because it, you know, when you have that diversity of backgrounds.

• 45:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's true. And it was like 15 years ago or 20 years ago when he was like playing, so.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  But he's one of the top 50 basketball players of all time and so, and the woman literally like slumped in her chair, hid behind the napkin and goes, Isaiah Thomas? I bragged about my division three basketball career to Isaiah Thomas? What is wrong with me? And she like, didn't want to talk anymore.

• 45:50Lewis Howes?

  That's hilarious. Very cool.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get these kind of odd moments, you know?

• 45:54Lewis Howes?

  I love it. Where can people learn more about that?

• 45:56Speaker 01

  The influencers?

• 45:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  So if, you go onto my website, johnlevy, t l b, dot com. J O N L E V Y, T like Thomas, L like line, B like boy, dot com. Then there's plenty of information.

• 46:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  And I think there's also like, somebody made a Wikipedia page and

• 46:13Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  All that, but yeah. And I mean, I'm pretty easy to get ahold of. You can just message me there. I'm happy to answer anything.

• 46:19Lewis Howes?

  Very cool, very cool.

• 46:23Lewis Howes?

  This is a question I ask everyone at the end. It's called the three truths.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:26Lewis Howes?

  And say it's the last day for you, many, many years from now, and everything you've ever created has been erased from time, but you have a piece of paper to write down three things you know to be true about all the experiences, the adventures, the relationships, the times you've had in your life, three lessons that you would pass on to anyone important in your life or the world. And that's all they would remember you by is these three truths. What would you say are yours?

• 46:51Speaker 01

  The fundamental element that defines the quality of our lives are the people we surround ourselves with and the conversations that we have with them by far. So surround yourself with people that really make a difference and who share your values or people you admire.

• 47:05Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  A second would be the size of your life is in direct proportion to how uncomfortable you're willing to be. So I hope you have a really uncomfortable life, full of amazing experiences.

• 47:19Lewis Howes?

  I like that.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  And holding on to grudges, anger, all of those things, regret, or even your own embarrassment. It's none of it's worth it. It's not worth being angry at people. It's not worth spending your life bitter. There's just too much that needs to be done and that mental effort and energy could be used to build something extraordinary. So figure out how to let it go.

• 47:49Lewis Howes?

  I like this. Those are great.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 47:50Lewis Howes?

  Um, before I ask the final question, I want to acknowledge you for a moment, John, for being a curator of curiosity and adventure and allowing so many other people to follow in your footsteps, to get out of their comfort zone and to live richer, fuller lives. And for bringing so many incredible people together, like you do for your dinners, your adventures, everything you do is all about community, bringing people together, shared incredible experiences. So I want to acknowledge you for being a curator of curiosity and adventure, man.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Thank you very much.

• 48:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  I really appreciate that.

• 48:20Lewis Howes?

  Of course. And the final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

• 48:26Speaker 01

  So I think my definition of greatness has to do with looking at being. So if who I'm being is consistent with my values and what I want to create for the world, that is greatness.

• 48:40Lewis Howes?

  John, thanks for coming on, man. Appreciate it.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  This was an absolute pleasure. I had a ton of fun.

• 48:47Lewis Howes?

  There you have it. I hope you enjoyed this one, greats. I love that you continue to come back every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday when we release new episodes. 385, we're getting so close to 400. It's getting crazy. The amount of growth that this podcast has had over the years. You know, I am so grateful and blessed that it's almost always in the top 100 on iTunes. We get over 1.3 million downloads a month. We've got some incredible speakers coming up. Next, we've got Meatloaf, who is one of the most iconic singers and performers and actors of all time. He's coming on in the next episode. You're not going to want to miss this one with

• 49:27Lewis Howes?

  Meatloaf. Unbelievable storyteller and human being. After that, we've got Ryan Blair, the mega, mega entrepreneur and multimillionaire who went from rock bottom to rock star and is a number one New York Times bestseller. He's coming on. After that, we have TJ Dillashaw, former UFC champion of the world. Super pumped for him coming on and some incredible guests coming up, guys. If this is your first time here, make sure to subscribe and leave a review over on iTunes because each week we've got more and more incredible, inspiring guests coming on to reveal and share their tips on how to be great as well. So make sure to subscribe.

• 50:08Lewis Howes?

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