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Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick break down the fiery Musk - Trump feud as Elon threatens to back Trump’s biggest GOP critic and oppose his “Big, Beautiful Bill,” the rise of socialist Zohran Mamdani in the NYC primary despite a wave of anti-Muslim backlash, Candace Owens’ shocking claim that Trump personally called her over a Macron conspiracy, and a breakthrough U. S. - China trade deal that could reshape global tariffs. ------ 🇺🇸 VT 4TH OF JULY COLLECTION - First 50 people who spend $400 win a FaceTime call w/ PBD, Vinnie & Tom: https://bit.ly/4eviXFM 🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 1:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Folks, if you didn't know, it's officially July 1st. Half of the year 2025 is already gone. I said this famous poet once said, you know, you'll turn 65 years old overnight. Time flies. It's a very famous Iranian poet. If you guys don't recognize him. He has a podcast he does with a few of his friends and they fight every once in a while, but it's pretty interesting. Anyways, happy July and the greatest day that turned a country into the greatest story ever. Fourth of July is around the corner. We got some special surprises here on how you and I can FaceTime with each other with the group. So stay tuned for that. But let's go through some of the stories that we got going on here. Remember last week when I made a bunch of comments about the Reza Pahlavi?

• 2:13Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of the supporters of Reza Pahlavi fell into three different camps. Those who said, "Finally, somebody said what we were thinking." Those who were furious with me. I gotta show you some of those meme games and video reaction. They're so funny and I'm impressed by the level of creativity. And then some of them who are in the middle saying, "What's gonna be happening with Iran?" So we'll talk about that as well. I had somebody that told me, they said, "You know, he has 79% approval rating in the streets of Iran." I said, "Okay, I got some thoughts on that." Maybe we can talk about that. I've had so many phone calls, it's been very interesting. Trump and Musk, it was quiet. Nobody was saying anything. And then all of a sudden, Vinny, the big beautiful bill passes and then Musk tweets about it. And then Trump responds back with a heavyweight tweet.

• 2:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And even floating the idea of deporting and getting Doge, that was started by Elon and Vivek, to go after Elon Musk, which it doesn't seem like that's slowing down anytime soon. Aside from that, the China deal. Scott Besen has some thoughts on the new China deal, the trade deal. Howard Lutnick has got some thoughts on what could happen there. Then aside from that, you got Trump reveals the red line that would lead him to bomb Iran again. Here we go. Condoleezza Rice, ex-Secretary of State, calls US strikes on Iran "a shot in the arm for American credibility." And Vinny definitely has a lot to say about this to Condoleezza, so we'll come to Vinny here in a minute.

• 3:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Stunning number of Gen Z Americans side with Iran against Israel. Interesting, Gen Z. Adam's got thoughts on that. Trump's Energy Chief warns US grid reaching its limit as administration works to avert train wreck. GE applicants to move washing machine production from China to Kentucky for $490 million investment, which is kinda cool business coming over here. We like that. Housing crisis deepens as 47 major metros areas now require home buyers to spend more than 30% of their income. Summer gas prices at its lowest price. In four years despite Middle East tensions. Golden Age stocks soar to record highs as inflation stays cool.

• 4:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump forges Middle East peace and tax deals gains. Steam buy not pay later loans now impact American credit scores. Author blasts harmful Supreme Court ruling allowing parents to opt kids out of reading their LGBTQ books. By the way, it was a pretty good last 10 days. Vinnie kept saying, and he's right, Trump's had a pretty good last 10 days. Kamala Harris's potential gubernatorial run isn't exciting anyone, Californian donors say. But if you're thinking about supporting, we'll give you the link to go support Kamala for some of you guys. I want to see that. DeMaio warns California gas prices could hit $10 per gallon this summer. Why millionaires are planning to escape from New York.

• 5:03Patrick Bet-David?

  This, this new mayor guy, guy, he said something in an interview. That I'm going to show you what other person said many, many years ago in a famous book. To know what this guy really believes in. And when he was asked about billionaires and how he feels about billionaires, you have to hear what this man had to say. And he's on track to be the mayor of New York City. Can you imagine like if he beats Adams and a couple of other guys? So that's that story there. Then we have Trump attacks Fed again in open letter calling for lower rates. And Caroline Levitt accuses CNN of encouraging violence against ICE agents with new tracking gap. DOJ ends investigation into Muslim centered epic city project in North Texas.

• 5:48Patrick Bet-David?

  To, to see the numbers of what happened with Jaguar sales. Folks, I, I want you to think about this. Imagine you do a commercial and you spend millions of dollars to have your sales skyrocket. Would you be happy if the results were up 10%? You'd say, yeah, you know, okay, maybe, maybe not 10%. What if it's even? What if you lose 10%? What if your sales drops 25%? What if your car sales drops 50% year over year? Wow. But what if your car sales drops 97% year over year? That happened to Jaguar. Tom, that is catastrophic. Last night, me, Tom, Teacran, and Vinny stayed up till 12:30 to come up with a program we'll be launching here today in a few hours to the insurance company. It's so exciting.

• 6:33Patrick Bet-David?

  The campaign's gonna be explosive for us. But imagine you come up with a campaign that destroys Jaguar by 97% in cars. People don't wanna buy the car. That's embarrassing. Vinny's got a lot of thoughts on that.

• 6:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So there's Tom, Senate mega bill would explode debt and kick 11.8 million people off Medicaid. Our fiscal house is basically on fire. Uh, i- i- we, we, we're gonna talk about that because, uh, there's a chart that Mario in the fall put to say who the big beautiful bill benefits and who it doesn't benefit. And, and there's, there's a few topics we have to talk about that. Okay. Having said that, what's around the corner is 4th of July, okay? And one of the things we love, we, we went at the Yankees game last weekend on Saturday. We talked to hundreds of people just walking by. We're at the beaches the last week. We're at a couple of different places, you know, hanging out with a few people coming by. The range of people that follow the future looks bright. It's absolutely amazing seeing people in airports wearing angry patriot gear,

• 7:30Patrick Bet-David?

  future looks bright gear, all over the place. Exciting times. And it's 4th of July, and we love America, and we love freedom. And if you do as well, you love the brand, by eight amen. You love America. You s- you, you believe in future looks bright. This is a way for you to support your brands. This is why we don't take sponsorship money. We do it through the businesses that we run. And by the way, we are shameless capitalists. We don't hide it. We believe in capitalism. We believe this is the way to make the money so you don't have to go in, have to be loyal to somebody that's giving you money. Our loyalty is to you. We talk to you raw, open. And if you like it, you don't like it, great. You get to Menek that's and say, Pat, I disagree with you. I can't believe you said this. And if you agree, great, we talk about it as well. So this weekend, 4th of July, we have a blowout sale up to 60%. On top of that,

• 8:15Patrick Bet-David?

  We have the women's line that also came out, Rob. If you go to the website, there's a women's line as well that we have out there. If you go on the collection and you go to ladies collection, ladies, you ask for it. We now have some gear. A big influence of this is Jennifer Bedavid, who said, we need to get some ladies gear. Future looks bright. I will also give a shout out to Kim. Because Kim's been telling me that she wears the short sleeves when she goes golfing. So thank Jen and Kim for a lot of this. So anybody that places an order over $400 of merch. Myself, Vinnie and Tom will be FaceTiming you. And I swear to God, if anybody decides to return anything, Adam will be FaceTiming you.

• 8:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, it's true.

• 8:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He already volunteered for that, so we appreciate Adam's support for doing that. He's the best retention guy we have in the company. But $400 will be FaceTiming the guys to talk to you.

• 9:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Don't make me come over to your house.

• 9:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And he will, buddy. He will. All right. Go to VTmerch.com, place your order if you believe future looks bright. Get some of the gear, sport it everywhere you go. All right. Rob, let's start off with the first topic. So Elon Musk, after the big beautiful bill passes. Which in the big beautiful bill, matter of fact, go to Mario Nefal's tweet from earlier this morning, if you could. Mario posted a tweet about the chart that Vinnie texted all of us in the group chat that says, hey, the big beautiful bill, if you look at it, what it's going to be doing and it's really going to be benefiting the people at the top, not the people at the bottom. You know, the people at the bottom are going to take a dip. This is a continuation of Trump's bill in 2017. It was in the text, Rob, if you want to look it up.

• 9:48Patrick Bet-David?

  And so that's caused a lot of conversations. It's officially at the last place of it. Now, obviously Musk was not supportive of it. He wasn't happy about it. There's a lot of different questions that are being asked. This is the tweet here that was up there. Mario's Trump's tax bill hits low income Americans, boost the top. New data from Yale Budget Lab shows the bottom 20% loses 560 a year. While the top 20% gains over $6,000. Middle and upper earners see smaller boost. But the lower earners take the only hit. The gap comes from tax breaks at the top and tax cuts to Medicaid and food aid at the bottom. This is Bloomberg that shows that. You got the top 20%, the upper 20%.

• 10:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You got the middle 20%, lower 20%, and the bottom 20%. Tom, when you see this, the average person reads this and they're like, wait a minute. This bill is to help the rich and it hurts the poor. What do you say to people that say that?

• 10:42Speaker 05

  Well, I look at it and I say this. First of all, you're looking at analysis that comes from the Yale Budget Lab. Yeah, this impartial cesspool of liberal thought known as the Yale Budget Lab is coming out with the position. And it's similar, you can take a lot of spin on a lot of these. And I respect Mario Unifall, I respect him quite a bit. But what I see here is that there's a deception here. And what the deception is, is you have to remember that the tax cuts are not being cut. So some people, when they present analysis, Pat, they're presenting the tax cuts like as a benefit for wealthy people on the old tax. Now, when I say wealthy people, I'm talking about business owners. Business owners and two incomes households.

• 11:27Speaker 05

  So they're not gonna have, remember the tax cuts are gonna expire, Pat, right? But this bill makes the tax cuts continue. So part of the benefit for the so-called wealthy is the continuation of the tax cuts. And then when you get down to the bottom 20%, what also is going on here is the federal government has been covering Medicaid for the states. The states call up the federal government and they say, hey, I'm short of money. Like, oh, California, oh, you know, I had poor water policy and I had wildfires and I had all these costs and I need this money and that money. So people are claiming that there's gonna be changes in Medicaid programs and availability. I just think you have to look at it very carefully.

• 12:09Speaker 05

  And one of my takes is, you should want, don't think of it as wealthy. You should want the business owners and people that are creating jobs and are creating opportunity in the economy. You should want them, and by the way, it's six grand a year, which is not a lot. So I saw it on the tax angle, I saw it on this. And I think we have to be careful with headlines, just like with polls. Vinnie and I were talking about that the other night. How one poll would say 60% of people, you know, 40% of people don't like this. Wait a minute. Well, that means sixty percent or a majority did like something. So there's, there's a lot of spin that goes in it.

• 12:46Patrick Bet-David?

  The, the question is, when that was launched, this morning I asked Mateo and Vinnie a question, we're having breakfast. I said, how much money you think we spend every year on entitlement programs? And Mateo thinks that's seventy-eight billion. I think you said thirty-four billion, right? And, and Rob, if you go on ChatGPT and you type in, this is ChatGPT. How much money do we spend every year on entitlement programs? Look what it says.

• 13:06Speaker 05

  Like federal USA?

• 13:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, very basic. Just how much money do we spend every year on entitlement programs? Rob, are you, are you able to do it or it's not?

• 13:14Speaker 05

  My computer's locking up.

• 13:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So when you ask the question, it breaks it down for you. If I go right now, how much money does United States spend on entitlement programs every year? Watch this. This is your money that you're paying folks, okay? This is how much money that goes to entitlement programs every year. When I pulled it up, it said out of six point three trillion, what was it?

• 13:39Speaker 05

  Three point.

• 13:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Three point four trillion.

• 13:41Speaker 05

  Trillion dollars.

• 13:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Goes to entitlement programs. That's a big amount of money that goes towards entitlement programs. Do you want that? Do you not want that? See what it says right there. Okay, federal there's six point nine trillion dollars. Social Security, one point two trillion, nine hundred billion Medicare, eight hundred and seventy billion Medicaid. SNAP and income, four hundred billion to SNAP and income support. SNAP is welfare and

• 14:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:01Patrick Bet-David?

  all the other stuff. Net interest to payment, six hundred sixty-three billion dollars. Summary, uh, three point eight trillion dollars, including entitlement interest. Entitlement programs alone, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, accounts for three trillion or more annually. Here's a challenge with this, folks. They have to be thinking about, which is

• 14:21Patrick Bet-David?

  very complicated to do. I was telling the story earlier this morning and then I'm going to show you Elon Musk's tweet on this and how Trump reacted just this morning, by the way. Not in the friendliest way. I had an old guy that was working with me in the insurance business. His name was Fardat. And very nice guy, charming guy, great storyteller. He was in L.A., very creative, becomes a very well-known designer for high-end homes, Vinnie. Now, I think I was telling you this story briefly earlier. He goes from making eighty thousand dollars a year, a hundred thousand dollars a year, to all of a sudden, all the wealthy people in Beverly Hills are calling him to come and design. This is oh-three, oh-five, oh-six, where the market is hot in L.A., everyone's making money. He nets one point six million in a year. Never made this kind of money before. You know what he starts doing? He starts giving parents eight grand a month, twelve grand a month, aunt eight grand a month,

• 15:06Patrick Bet-David?

  relatives eight grand a month. He just paying the money because he thinks this one fifty a month, one forty a month's gonna be coming forever. And then all of a sudden, two thousand seven comes around. That one point six million goes to a hundred thousand dollars a year.

• 15:18Speaker 05

  So he turned himself into a broke government.

• 15:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But you know what ends up happening? Every one of his relatives ended up hating him.

• 15:23Speaker 05

  Unbelievable, cuz they felt entitled.

• 15:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly the point.

• 15:27Speaker 05

  Wait, can I, I can't remember the list, but can you repeat what the four stages are when you give money to somebody? Starts with appreciation. I don't remember the other four, but that's exactly what you're talking about.

• 15:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it is, and it's funny, I mean, we should bring that back up because we've talked about this before. I'd love to look that up.

• 15:43Speaker 05

  But it's his fault, right? But it's his fault.

• 15:44Patrick Bet-David?

  It's his fault, and this is, goes back to it's America's fault. The more and more we launch these temporary entitlement programs, all you're doing is delaying to get somebody to hate you in the future. Period. Now, watch this. This is Elon Musk. Rob, can you pull up Elon Musk's tweet on the big beautiful bill? The big beautiful bill Elon Musk says, every member of Congress who campaigned, is this the first one? This is the second one, Rob. Go to the first one. He had two tweets, right? There you go. It's obvious with the insane spending of this bill, which increases the debt ceiling by a record of five trillion dollars, that we live in a one-party country. The porky big party. Time for a new political party that actually cares about the people, Rob. Go a little bit lower to see the comments.

• 16:29Patrick Bet-David?

  That's twenty-six point three million. So then, how can the College of Freedom Caucus, if you vote for a debt slavery bill, with the biggest debt ceiling increase in history, right? Alex Jones, it's bad. Andrew Yang, building it now. Uh, keep going a little bit lower, keep going a little bit lower. Okay. Can we make Elon president? No, we can't. So it just kind of Grok answers the question. Then go to his next tweet, what he says after that. Every member of Congress who campaigned on reducing government spending and then immediately voted for the biggest debt increase in history should hang their head in shame. And they will lose their primary next year if it's the last thing I do on this earth. And guess who has to respond? A man named Donald Trump. Go to that one. Go to the tweet first and then you'll play the video. Here's a tweet.

• 17:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon Musk knew, long before he was so strongly endorsed me for president, that I was strongly against the EV mandate. He's claiming that's what Elon is upset about. It is ridiculous and was always a major part of my campaign. Electric cars are fine, but not everyone should be forced to own one. He's right. Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history by far and without subsidies. Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa. No more rocket launches, satellites, or electric car production. And our country would have a fortune. Perhaps we should have Doge take a good, hard look at this big money to be saved. And then here's what he said this morning. And Avini, I'm going to come to you, and Adam, I'm coming to you next.

• 17:54Patrick Bet-David?

  This morning, he's being asked the question about Elon Musk. And this is what he said. Go for it, Rob.

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  I don't know. I think we'll have to take a look. We might have to put Doge on Elon. You know, you know what Doge is? Doge is the monster that have that might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that be terrible? Oh, you're telling me? So a lot of subsidies, Peter. But Elon's very upset that the EV mandate is going to be terminated. And you know what? When you look at it, who wants, not everybody wants an electric car. I don't want an electric car. I want to have maybe gasoline, maybe electric, maybe a hybrid, maybe someday a hydrogen. If you have a hydrogen car, it has one problem, it blows up, you know? So I'm going to give that one to Peter. I'm going to let Peter test it out.

• 19:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, thoughts?

• 19:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, well, okay, can we be, can we be honest with each other? I mean, Elon is not wrong. Okay? Let's just be completely honest. Besides the EV credits and all that stuff, I sent Rob this chart, and I want to know what you guys think about this. Like regardless of who is in our office, look at that. National debt by year, PBD, can you see that? And then Rob, I sent you another one that's Statista. It's US debt rises irrespective of who is in the White House. How can we not, like, I want to ask you guys, Pat, you guys, I did it in PBD Podcast prep text. Every year, if you put the federal government in charge, somebody wrote in the Sahara Desert, in five years, there'd be a shortage of sand.

• 20:32Tom Ellsworth?

  It's not stopping. And that, and that chart that's going up, it keeps going up, it keeps going up. And then you have people that are doing the bills. I just saw this. Uh, that big beautiful bill that everybody was talking about? How, how does this happen? Yesterday in the senate, they failed to remove illegal aliens from Medicaid because the parliamentarian changed the vote requirement to 60 votes instead of 51 last minute. Okay? So that, I'm just, I'm genuinely curious.

• 21:00Speaker 05

  Who is the parliamentarian?

• 21:01Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't.

• 21:02Speaker 05

  Do we have a name on that?

• 21:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I forgot, I, I don't know his name.

• 21:05Speaker 05

  That's a great catch, Vinny.

• 21:06Tom Ellsworth?

  You, that's the guy, right, Tom?

• 21:07Speaker 05

  They changed voting rules in the senate to, to, to, to, to get. Sometimes you can get things done in our government by changing a voting rule because you have the power to change the rule regardless of what the, the number of seats for the Republicans, Democrats.

• 21:20Tom Ellsworth?

  But, but, but we own the house and the senate, so what, what's, what, what, what is going on? Because I understand the few and I get Elon's piss and I get that, that little, that rivalry right now. But at the same token, Tommy, we're, we are going further and further and further in debt. We're giving money to, and I, I looked it up, you know how much money that is for Medicaid and all that stuff? For the illegals? It's in the billions, it's in the billions and billions of dollars every year. And they're still fighting for illegals and illegals, uh, won.

• 21:47Speaker 05

  I read, I read it's almost $40,000 a year for 100 million Americans. That if you just said, okay, 100 million Americans on the entitlement programs. And you take that, uh, well, I think, uh, Pat said 3.2 trillion. It's basically $40,000 a year. Basically, you're giving a salary to, to one-third of America.

• 22:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Exactly.

• 22:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, your thoughts on this? Your thoughts on this? Because I, I get what you're saying. You're saying the, every, we're getting more debt and all that other stuff. But the question that becomes, is that why he's upset? Is he upset because of that? Is that really what's causing him to get upset? Or is it because it's the mandates? What percentage is the mandates?

• 22:22Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I, I think.

• 22:23Patrick Bet-David?

  He saw that the mandates were not in there because the additional 7,500, whatever the 7,500 dollars was. It's no longer in there. It's like, wait a minute, I can't pay for 250 million dollars. Now that's not in there? And then now you're picking on how big the bill is? Would Musk have picked on the debt increasing if the $7,500 write offs was in there? I don't know. That's the question you gotta ask yourself.

• 22:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Which, which I don't, he's being selfish in that sex, in that context, but in the bigger picture, he's like, look how much money we're spending to get everybody to be on his side.

• 22:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody can always do that.

• 22:53Speaker 05

  I'm with Pat and I'll tell you why. There's something below the surface. Everybody looks at Tesla and they say, ha, ha, ha. People have more insurance on their Teslas because the insurance companies have put like a 15 to 20% premium on Teslas because of the risk of vandalism, right? So you have, that's additional risk of loss. If you live in certain zip codes, you're at risk for that. So ha, ha, Tesla owners have more insurance. Maybe they'll sell their cars. Ha, ha, he's selling less cars. So let's just think of it that he has two air hoses, right? One air hose that's giving him profits through the air hose is his cars. The other is they've been working for seven years to build the supercharger network. And two years ago, they went nuts trying to sign deals with every other car company.

• 23:37Speaker 05

  So if you bought an EV from Cadillac or an EOS from Mercedes Benz, you were having in America a 60% chance of getting electricity into the car from Elon Musk when you went to service stations and recharge places. So guess what? When you pull the EV mandate, it's not just the Tesla cars. It's the rest of the auto industry is selling less EVs. And those EVs aren't plugging into all those electricity stations. That's his other air hose because Tesla below the surface is really an energy distribution company long-term, more than it is a car company. And the EV mandate, it steps on both sides of that.

• 24:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, thoughts?

• 24:18Speaker 05

  So there's so much to unpack here. I mean, what happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object? That's Trump versus Elon. A couple of quick points. Number one, PBD, you just did a video about the, the power of relationships. Possibly you called it your greatest investment you can ever make, right? Something to that effect?

• 24:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep, yep.

• 24:37Speaker 05

  Okay. So relationships matter. You know, Pat, you know, My sort of skill set is, all right, you guys should talk. All right, how you doing? You know, getting people together. That's a very important thing. Soft power, soft skills. Relationships matter. There's three types of relationships, in my opinion. Number one, there's lifelong friends, what I would call no matter what's, dude, I've known this guy for 30 years, no matter what, I have his back. Okay, cool. We understand that. Number two are sort of newer valuable friends or business relationships. It's beneficial. There's shared values. There's money to be made. There's trust. There's a lot of congruence right there, right? Much like the people on this podcast. The third thing is a transactional relationship and flip a coin, which direction it can go.

• 25:22Speaker 05

  It could go north and you can make money or it can go south or you can lose money or it can be a little bit of both. In my opinion, this Trump and Elon relationship is number three. It's very transactional. Trump needed Elon for a little bit of money, a little funding for the campaign. Elon needed Trump because he couldn't no longer endorse the Democrats and he aligned himself with Trump, dark MAGA, everything that happened with that. But what we're seeing is the fallout of a relationship that's not actually natural. This is a transactional relationship and it could go very ugly from here. Just when we thought it was gonna get, you know, the ugliness was behind us when Elon apologized, all of a sudden they're both willing to die on this big, beautiful bill hill and we'll see where it goes.

• 26:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Guys, I'm gonna, this isn't a freaking a news flash. This isn't my forte, this, this lane, Tom. The numbers though, you know, this isn't me.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  Math is not your forte.

• 26:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, two plus two, chicken. Listen, but, but from what I'm looking at, from the charts and the spending and all the stuff and all the Senate, Tom, it's, we're going bankrupt. Okay. And it's like, the, like, you're talking about the numbers, just look at the stats. Our Defense Department budget is a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments on the national jet debt exceeds the Defense Department budget. That's, we're, I understand, it's just, what are we doing to try to change it?

• 26:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. Can I, can I just, real quick?

• 26:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, that's a trillion dollars a year in interest and it's going up every single year.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  PBD, you know, you ask the question all the time, you know, what hill are you willing to? Die and what hill you willing to die on for me, you know, save that money, the whole debt. And the deficit is a major, major factor for me and I see what's going on here and we're going to be saddled with debt for generation and generation and generation. So I'm totally with you on this and I'd like to see how the sausage is made on this. But here's one thing I keep hearing anytime they talk about the big beautiful bill or any bill. Tom, tell me now if you hear this, I always hear these two words, dynamic scoring. No, you're not factoring in dynamic scoring. Well, what about the dynamic scoring? What happens if we all this money? We don't know what's going to happen. It's kind of like you guys were at the Yankees game this weekend, you know? You ever been to a game in Colorado, baseball game in Colorado?

• 27:37Speaker 05

  Colorado Rockies? You know, someone says, you know, you go to, you know, usually this guy hits, you know, a couple of home runs a year, but in Colorado. I mean, this guy's like the slugger of the year. He's an MVP candidate. Because, because the Mile High Stadium, the ball travels further. You have the, you know, wind at your back, you know, that whole type of thing. Dynamic scoring, what they're basically saying is you have to factor in other factors that can lead for the economic, for the economy growing. Such as more revenue coming in, more people investing. So it's one of those things you never hear what the dynamic scoring actually brings to the table until it actually happens. Have you heard this term before? Dynamic scoring, Tom? Yes, I have. And that's exactly what you're talking about.

• 28:20Speaker 05

  Like if Adam and I own a baseball team, Miami Marlins, and we want to sign a pitcher. And there's this pitcher who has like a 3.8 ERA. And Adam says, hey, Tom, remember, he was pitching last year in Colorado. So you really got to take like half. So, oh, really? He's really like 3.2. Well, you know what? That's better than we thought. Yeah. And look at him, he was 3.1 away from Colorado when they were pitching on the road. And I would say, Adam, you're right. We need to look at dynamic scoring for this, this player. If we're going to bring him to Miami, which is sea level and it's a little bit humid, he's actually going to do better down here. Assuming he's the same player next year as this year. So the dynamic scoring, I agree with because it also, that's kind of what I was talking about on the tax side, right?

• 29:04Speaker 05

  Tax side, you can't just say, oh, it's a gift. It's not. It's a continuation of the tax cuts. So I, I kind of agree with Adam. I just wish the headlines were more honest about it.

• 29:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 29:16Speaker 05

  And there is a place you could go and get.

• 29:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me show this, Tom. So media forced to admit Trump's tariffs are working as revenue spike. Remember how a few months ago, everything was about tariffs, tariffs are bad, tariffs, all this bad stuff with tariffs? All right. No problem. Watch this here. If you read this story that just came out with, this is Zero Hedge. There's a video on the bottom to play, but I want to read the fourth paragraph. The US has collected over, you ready? A hundred and twenty-one billion dollars in revenue from tariffs on imported goods. And despite claims that tariffs are a tax on the consumer, prices on the shelf have not risen so far. Opponents of the policy are struggling to explain the data. Some still argue that disaster is right around the corner. While others are acknowledging that there's a potential payoff to US debt over time.

• 30:03Patrick Bet-David?

  If the amount duties remain in place for long term, go a little bit low, Rob, if you could on the story. Click on this video here. This is, this is CNBC. Click on a CNBC forced, okay, play, play this one if you could. There you go. Uh, fantastic. Okay, go for it.

• 30:21Speaker 05

  Look how much we've been collecting in revenues. And I did this in part because Wilford's here.

• 30:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Holy moly, look at that.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  But just, this is the monthly numbers and they have gone up a lot. June is actually set for another big increase of 27 billion. That is money coming into US coffers from tariffs. We are collecting a lot of revenues so far, guys. One hundred twenty-one billion dollars has flowed into the US government since the start of this year. Still a tiny portion of the overall revenues that the US government gets, but it's increasingly.

• 30:53Patrick Bet-David?

  She doesn't want to say it.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  It hurts, it hurts. Especially we haven't seen it.

• 30:55Patrick Bet-David?

  She doesn't know how to say it, look at this. Say he was right. Just say it. Pause it right there.

• 31:00Speaker 05

  You know what a producer is like. A producer is like, stop! That's Sarah Eisen, who kind of flies the same plane that Aaron Ross Sorkin does.

• 31:07Patrick Bet-David?

  So dynamic, what, what, what'd you say? Dynamic, you know, scoring, William Howard Taft, you know.

• 31:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Jennings, whatever.

• 31:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Who cares?

• 31:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Who cares? Tariffs are working is what it is, right? But you are right, when it comes on to the dynamic scoring part, that validates exactly what Adam is saying. The fact that we're not going to know if this is going to work or not. Anytime you come up with a new comp plan, okay? In a company. Tom, how long does it take to see if the comp plan is working?

• 31:36Speaker 05

  Usually takes about one quarter, not longer than that. It takes about three months.

• 31:39Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 31:40Speaker 05

  Month one, like Pat introduces something for the insurance and they adjust. Month two, we start to see the majority of people using it. By month three, everybody's now trained and on it. And all of a sudden, we see numbers really move and say, Pat, you were right.

• 31:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So 90 days is what it takes. So roughly 90 days is how long it takes to see if a new comp plan works or not. How long ago was it when these tariffs was announced? About 90 days ago? Guess what? They're starting to work and we're seeing results. Adam?

• 32:06Speaker 05

  PBD, I just want to add to this. You see this story right here where it says, Wall Street economists who ripped Trump

• 32:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 32:12Speaker 05

  admits that the president may have outsmarted us all on tariffs. Do you see that story?

• 32:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course I do.

• 32:17Speaker 05

  So let me just give a little feedback on that. So Torsten Slok, chief economist, economist at investment giant Apollo Global Management. How big is Apollo, Tom? I mean, massive, right? Big. Who warned in April that President Trump's tariffs could trigger a recession by this summer, now fully admits that he, Trump, might have outsmarted us all. So you know, they say like, if you, if you don't got haters, you ain't popping, right? You know this, Vinnie? So they say like, let the haters be your motivators until you turn into your appreciators. That's what's going on here right now with Trump. Is that you have some of the biggest names coming out and saying, eh, Trump might have been right about the tariff situation right now.

• 32:58Speaker 05

  And what we're seeing is sort of like the people giving the, hey, my bad. I didn't really realize everything you say that might take a little time. And then Vinnie, I know you mentioned this. Trump might have just had low key, the best week he's ever had.

• 33:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Two weeks.

• 33:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Two weeks. 10, 12 days, 12 days.

• 33:16Speaker 05

  Okay, what, what an amazing 10 to 12 days he's had. Speaking of peace deals, I mean, not too long ago, India and Pakistan were on nuclear war. That ended real quickly. Israel and Iran, who don't know what they're doing. All of a sudden, there's a peaceful peace treaty holding. We'll see what happens with that. He solidified having his allies, our allies back at NATO. Tom, confirm this. I think they they by the next 10 years. Said that they'd go from 2% to 5% on their national defense. Yep, that's exactly right. It goes back to his first term when he was yelling across the table at Germany. Pay your fair share. Well, guess what? Exactly. It's happening.

• 33:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, by the way.

• 33:55Speaker 05

  China, India, the border, the NASDAQ, stock market, inflation cooling, wage growth going higher. Supreme Court just ruled in his favor.

• 34:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Twice.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Border shutdown. I mean, Trump just had the best two weeks he's maybe ever had.

• 34:08Tom Ellsworth?

  And guess what? Gas prices for just to add, gas prices four time low. Peace broke out between Rwanda and the Congo, which they were trying to say that he didn't do it. And they also ruled the SCOTUS that he could deport illegals to third party countries. He is, he has been, besides the, you know, top, you know, signal and noise. There's noise, but he is the signal, the numbers, everything is going pretty damn well for him. And it's, it hurts for them to report it.

• 34:33Speaker 05

  Just add one thing to Adam's list. I'm sorry. Remember all those Supreme Court decisions was was.

• 34:38Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna get to that, guys. We're gonna get to that, guys. You guys want to do all the stories within 30 seconds? We're gonna get to that. So hold it. Four play guys. It takes a couple hours.

• 34:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Sorry.

• 34:50Speaker 05

  PB, I just gotta say this. I'm a little excited. I miss you guys, man. You guys, you know, you're out there having vacation. I'm in the studio by myself.

• 34:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not by yourself. You got Tom right behind you as a statue with rock.

• 35:00Speaker 05

  Tom's over there, Rocky's over there.

• 35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Say hi to Tom's belly.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  Tom's on the left with the arms up.

• 35:05Patrick Bet-David?

  It's disappeared, by the way. Tom's belly has disappeared from last year to this year. It's no longer the same. All right, let's go to the next one.

• 35:10Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm just trying to say you want to get through a lot of stories and everything. I finished my second cup of coffee.

• 35:14Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, check this out. While we're going through this, I want to go through this communist, I'm sorry. Socialist, Democrat, whatever you want to call it in New York, and we're going to get to that. Forgive, I just, I was reading the teleprompter. And I totally screwed it up. But we got, you guys don't see this. We have like 17 teleprompters here. Everything we're saying is scripted. It's all just been written here.

• 35:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Never off the.

• 35:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you guys fix the typing, Rob? It's a little bit off. I can't see the font.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  We got all this stuff at CNN at their garage sale.

• 35:40Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a low blow, Tom.

• 35:42Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, but in the middle of it, you know what I love, Vinnie? I love it when we have people that are watching a podcast that are future leaders. Okay, somebody just tweeted this literally right now, I want to give this kid a shout out. I said, "Smart kid, future leader, Andrew Glonta, teach him young, okay? Look what he's doing right there, he has a son watching a podcast. That's a good daddy. There you go, buddy boy. Can we go on his face so we can give a shout out to Andrew real quick? See where Andrew's at, go on his profile, zoom in a little bit. That's a good daddy right there from West Palm Beach. West Palm Beach. Firefighter in real estate, my man. Okay, so let's go into the story with New York.

• 36:17Tom Ellsworth?

  They could have used him in LA, firefighter and real estate, wow.

• 36:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a, that's a double whammy. Damn. New York, folks, this guy, Mam Donnie, beats Andrew Yang. Then, bunch of videos are coming out. Rob, can you go to the other one first if you don't mind? The other one is, if you, if you, Andrew Cuomo, not Andrew Yang, but him as well, but Andrew Cuomo. He's being interviewed here and asked if he believes billionaires should exist, okay? I want you to listen to his answer, Rob, if you can do it on Twitter so we can, uh, where did you go to, Rob? You went to a completely different place.

• 36:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have, I have a different clip of him, I have...

• 36:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Just go to my Twitter account, Rob, just go to my Twitter account, it's two videos that I have there, that's what I'm saying, if you just go there, you'll find it.

• 37:01Speaker 05

  It was like last night, right?

• 37:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's being interviewed and he's being asked about billionaires. Should billionaires exist? This is his response, and I actually want to go to the comment section because I want to know how the audience reacts to it. Some are critical, some are supportive, go for it, Rob.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  You are a self-described democratic socialist. Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist?

• 37:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think that we should have billionaires because frankly, it is so much money in a moment of such inequality, and ultimately, what we need more of is equality. Across our city and across our state and across our country and I look forward to work with everyone, including billionaires, to make a city that is Can you imagine? Hey billionaires, I look forward to working with you to take your billions away from you and give it to the working people. The poor and guess what? I think you want to work with me. By the way, here's a kicker. You ready for this? Do you know what city in America has the most billionaires? The city is about to be mayor in. Type in Rob, which city in America has the most billionaires? A hundred and twenty-three billionaires live in New York City right now.

• 38:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And he wants to say, I don't believe, so you know what he's trying to say is, I don't believe billionaires should live in New York City. That's the interpretation. Look at that. Forbes 2025 ranking, New York City, a hundred and twenty-three billionaires. How are these billionaires okay with this guy becoming a mayor of the city? Go a little bit lower, Rob, if you could. Watch this one here. LA's got fifty-three. San Fran's got fifty to eighty-two because some of the guys left, but look at that number right there, one twenty-three. Then there's another video that he's been interviewed where he uses a very, very interesting phrase because the president doesn't call him a socialist. The president calls him a communist and after you see this, you'll see why that is. Rob, play that clip if you could. And again, I want to go on the Twitter side because we can watch the comments as well afterwards, Rob. Go for it. Click on, go for it.

• 38:47Speaker 06

  ...about this entire project.

• 38:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen to the phrase.

• 38:49Speaker 06

  It's not simply to raise class consciousness, but to win socialism. And obviously raising class consciousness is a critical part of that. But making sure that we have candidates that both understand that and are willing to put that forward at every which moment that they have and every which opportunity that they're given. We have to continue to elect more socialists and we have to ensure that we are unapologetic about our socialism. There are also other issues that we firmly believe in.

• 39:16Patrick Bet-David?

  It's coming.

• 39:17Speaker 06

  Whether it's BDS, right? Or whether it's the the end goal of ceasing the means of production.

• 39:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, pause right there, Rob. Go back a little bit more, go back a little bit. Okay, with the smile on his face, the end goal. Press it, do it again.

• 39:29Speaker 06

  The end goal.

• 39:30Speaker 05

  of seizing the means of production.

• 39:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go back one more time, folks, because we're gonna go and say what famous author used that phrase? Don't say anything. Just we want to go through and say it one more time, one more time, one more time, Rob. Pay attention, folks. Go ahead.

• 39:43Speaker 05

  Oh, of seizing the means of production.

• 39:45Patrick Bet-David?

  What does he say? He said means in production? Seize the means of production, okay? Gosh, where did I read that? By the way, first of all, this must, he must have done this podcast on Christmas, because that's an ugly sweater. If you go on chat GBT, Rob. That's a fugly sweater. Type in what author or which economist used the phrase? End the means of production, okay? Which economist used the phrase? End the means of production, okay? End the means of production, seizing production, famously comes from who? Karl Marx. Nineteenth century German philosopher economist who famously associated with the phrase the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains.

• 40:28Patrick Bet-David?

  They have a world to win, workers of the world unite. The abolition of private property in the means of production, right? In the means of production. So now, he is a communist. So this guy wants to go in that direction. And then President Trump responds to it, I believe this morning. Rob, if you have that clip when he responds to it. And then Tom, I'm gonna come to you first. Uh, we're gonna save our economists, Vinnie, at the end, but we're gonna come, Tom, I'm gonna come to you first. I'm gonna go from the lowest, go, go ahead, Rob, play this clip.

• 41:01Speaker 05

  I think he's terrible. He's a communist. The last thing we need is a communist. I said there will never be socialism in the United States, so we have a communist. I, I think he's bad news. And I think I'm gonna have a lot of fun with him, watching him. Because he has to come right to this building to get his money. And don't worry, he's not gonna run away with anything. I think he's a, frankly, I've heard he's a total nut job. I think the people in New York are crazy. If they go this route, I think they're crazy. We will have a communist in the, for the first time, really, a pure, true communist. He wants to operate the grocery stores, the department stores. What about the people that are there?

• 41:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, go for it.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  So, there's a couple of things here. First of all, we need to take a close look at NBC because sometimes things are hiding in plain sight. So Kristen Welker says, "Do you think billionaires should exist?" In an inspection of a candidate, is that the kind of question that you would expect? So the first problem I have is with Kristen Welker. And so she is just throwing him the softball that they gave. The campaign, that is a campaign question. So the campaign says, "Hey, we will go on your show. We will give you the ratings. You'll be able to say, and we've got Zohar."

• 42:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if I agree with that.

• 42:22Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 42:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Push back, Tom.

• 42:25Speaker 05

  No, I'm gonna push back hard because the campaign, the campaign gives questions to the media and then the media chooses whether to be an inspector or a reciter.

• 42:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 05

  And the media is not inspecting him. They're just saying, "Do you think billionaires should exist?" So you give them the question. However, the second problem here is you have to look in plain sight as to who voted for him in the poll. He's not mayor yet. We're about to see a very, very, very ugly campaign where all of these bad sweater videos and everything he said that are about to come out as the more centrist left is gonna be, you know, on display, trying to defeat him. But let's look at what happened. You have a young generation of very recent college graduates that overwhelmingly voted for him across three axes. Axis number one, how the hell am I gonna pay off all the student loan debt?

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Never mind that you willingly went and got it for your degree. Number two, wow, when am I gonna be able to afford housing? And number three, therefore, life in general is pretty damn overwhelming and expensive. And those people found, you listen to him, he's a skillful communicator. And how he answered that to Kristen Welker with a soft voice and an empathetic tone, that's a gifted communicator. So in plain sight, you know. Need to see that we have a lot of people in this country that just got out with student loan debt, looking at the price of housing, looking at the price, cost of living, and they were ripe to be harvested by this kind of a message, but they don't know what they're buying.

• 44:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, Rob, can you go to the video where he answers, she's asked the question, do you believe billionaires should exist? Just go on the Twitter so we can see the comment section. Just go to my profile right there, okay? If you go a little bit lower, little bit lower, one more. Okay, pose the question and look at his instant reaction. This guy had no clue that question was gonna be asked. Watch his instant reaction. He doesn't want that question. My opinion, Tom, go for it.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Described democratic socialist. Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist?

• 44:28Speaker 05

  I don't think that we should have billionaires because frankly it is so much-

• 44:32Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason why I don't think that's the case with that question is because that's exactly the question they don't want him to be asked. And I think she actually asked the right question. Sometimes the best questions in an interview are the simplest questions. You don't need to complicate a question. You may be right that they've sent the campaign. I don't think he's that big of a player, nor do I think CNBC wants a guy like this at the top. They don't want a communist, they don't want a guy like this to be in New York City while they're doing business out of there. That's my opinion.

• 45:01Speaker 05

  Well, this is NBC. If this was CNBC and Joe Kernan, he would have torn his beard off.

• 45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  It's still owned by the same company, NBC, right? So this leads to the next thing where Bill Ackman promises to fund centrists, and Adam, I'm coming to you, candidate to defeat socialist Mamdani in New York City mayoral race. Ackman, who's a 10 billionaire guy, announces intent to fund a centrist candidate, challenge him, Mamdani, to presumptuous democratic nominee and a democratic socialist in New York City mayoral race. Who's your best centrist candidate? Who would go toe to toe with Mamdani in the campaign trail? And on the debate stage, let's crowdsource the names and then do a poll. And if someone is ready to raise their hand, I will take care of the fundraising. Mamdani, also a member of the Democratic Socialist America and a working family party, defeated former Governor Andrew Cuomo.

• 45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So now you're getting guys like Bill Ackman getting involved who are not wanting this. Adam, your thoughts on this?

• 45:52Speaker 05

  There's so much to unpack here with this guy. And this is a story that is not gonna be going away until the election actually happens in November. So it's like, what do you get when you mix AOC and Jihad? You get Zoro and Mamdani. So in my opinion, PBD, you've interviewed how many mafia-type guys, New York City-type guys?

• 46:12Speaker 05

  In my humble opinion, I don't think New York City is gonna go for this. And I think they're gonna take care of this one way or another, if you know what I'm saying. The threat will be eliminated. That is my humble opinion. I do not see this guy ended up winning.

• 46:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying he's not going to win. I just want to qualify, because when you say stuff like that, we are running a live interpretation. Adam, can you clarify what you really didn't mean?

• 46:39Speaker 05

  I'm saying that I don't think that the establishment is gonna let this guy win.

• 46:43Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 46:44Speaker 05

  We're talking about Bill Ackman right now, and how he's gonna basically say, "I'm here, I have your back, I'm to the rescue. Give me your best centrist candidate, and quote-unquote, 'I will take care of the fundraising, I will take care of the rest.'" So, what's happening with this guy is this is the perfect foil to whatever Donald Trump stands for. This is American capitalism versus global socialism-jihadism. And you notice that he keeps saying, "Oh, he's a communist, he's a communist." So, and by the way, let's just not gloss over what he said in that quote. He says, "You know, we're gonna hear and bring socialism, whether you believe in BDS,

• 47:26Speaker 05

  aka, you know, killing all the Jews, or seizing the means of production," shout out to Karl Marx. What could go wrong here? It's not like we have countless examples of the problems that socialism and communism bring to the table. And then here's my final point. You see the numbers, and I'm sure we'll get into it, of Gen Z and college-educated Gen Z, college-educated female Gen Z who are voting for this in New York. And I'm saying this hypothetically, sarcastically, but almost literally. There's a big portion of Gen Z that needs to go to American re-education camps.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  And I know what that basically means, re-education camps. I'm not talking about, you know, the really, really bad kind. But there's a whole segment of society that genuinely needs to be re-educated on what America is and what America is not. And America is not Zoran Mamdani. You're telling me that a democratic socialist communist jihadist is going to be mayor of the epicenter of capitalism where Wall Street exists? This makes no sense. If you want to, if you want to understand that you're living in bizarro world, this is it.

• 48:40Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, Adam, and you made a great point, but you, the one thing I'm going to disagree with, you're saying that the establishment won't do this, they won't do that. You, you even answered your own question, you corrected yourself. That vote, that 25 year old and older, I had a guy mannequin that was like, Vinny, the older people, the rich people, we had this conversation, they're not, Adam, they don't even know what the hell's going on. Because those 25 year olds that are watching AOC, they're on TikTok, they're on Instagram, that's that audience that he's getting, and he can win, Adam. I think he's going to win. Okay, because the older people, the, they're really wealthy, Adam, that $123 billion, they're going to move, they're going to leave. That number's probably dropping right now. And you nailed it. He's a freaking communist, he aligns himself with the jihadists. There's a video of him where he will not denounce Sharia law.

• 49:24Tom Ellsworth?

  And that's a whole nother conversation we'll get into. But you know what my thing is? Guys, let him win. Okay, I'm dead serious. Let the people who keep voting for this BS, just like California, let them feel it. Like Bernie Sanders says, let them feel the burn. Okay, you want this sympathizing jihadist, would want to be communist in charge of New York? Let them do it. Okay, let them, let them flood the street with crime, let the businesses collapse, let the rats take over Times Square, because that's what you're going to get. And to all the New Yorkers, keep doing it. You guys keep doing it. And every time they have somebody to oppose these freaking psychos, nobody does it. You know why? Because you're loyal to your party. It's freaking madness, and it's stupid, but good. Let them do it, Adam. Let them have it.

• 50:05Tom Ellsworth?

  But, but Adam, look at their pool, from the governor, look, we had Cuomo, you have Kathy Hochul, you have freaking Mayor Adams, you have this freaking guy. They have nothing, they have zero, they have no leadership. And everybody that they pick is trying to destroy this freaking state. And mind you, I'm from Yonkers, New York, bro. They have destroyed New York, okay? It was a city that never sleeps. It's a city that nobody gives a shit about anymore. It's flooded with illegals. Everybody's leaving. Let it happen, guys. Nothing's ever gonna change unless you look, just let them go. Let them go. And I love that Trump said, come ask me for money. See if you're gonna get any freaking money at a federal level. I'm tired of this shit. He's running on.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  I feel you. Can I just respond to Vinny real quick, Tom? Just real quick. I feel Vinny's pain on this. I feel Vinny's passion because there's a part of me that's like, let that shit happen. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. Don't forget one thing. This is what's called a democratic primary. When the, in primaries, just like that's the opposite of general election. The most hardcore people come out. It's like, who votes in midterms? The most hardcore people, right? Who votes for representatives? The most hardcore people. There's a big difference in a general election. So if you're following what Bill Ackman says here, he says, give me your best centrist candidate. If there's one person, whether it's Eric Adams, whether it's Cuomo, whether someone else shows up, and it's one on one. Mamdani versus whoever that person may be.

• 51:29Speaker 05

  That person will win. If it's fractured and there's three, four, five people running against Mamdani. You're absolutely right. He may be the next mayor of New York. And we might see the official end of New York.

• 51:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat, do you think, do you think he's gonna win? I have a.

• 51:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me tell you what's going on.

• 51:43Tom Ellsworth?

  He's gonna win.

• 51:44Patrick Bet-David?

  We're in the, we're in New York. Whether it's New York City, whether it's, you know, Hampton's, you know, different beaches here. We're talking, and we're talking to a lot of people. You know what people are saying? We are the same. Guys who sell real estate in New York. Yesterday, this guy named Jason, if you remember him.

• 51:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I remember.

• 51:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Jason, no, his name is John.

• 52:00Speaker 05

  Good guy.

• 52:00Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy named John, right? You pulled him, Tom, and you shook his hand. You pulled him like a Trump.

• 52:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom, Jamie goes, what are you doing in the world? The guy goes, I'm gonna go fix my shoulder.

• 52:06Speaker 05

  You did the Trump?

• 52:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom went like this. I'm like, oh, Tom, relax.

• 52:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom trumped him.

• 52:09Patrick Bet-David?

  So anyways, but.

• 52:12Patrick Bet-David?

  He said to me, he says, you know, and another guy said, he says, isn't it weird that we are all rooting for Adams to win? He says, if you would have told me a year ago, two years ago, I'm gonna be rooting for Adams to win, we're all now rooting for Adams to win. Because nobody wants to snudge out. That's what people are saying in New York right now as we speak. And Adams, believe it or not, there's a part of Adams, the more I watch him, look, nobody, you know, is perfect. People make a lot of different mistakes, different kinds of mistakes. And he was accused of that whole Turkey thing, $10 million, you know, you know which one I'm talking about, investment, all that, okay, fine. But to me, you know what Adams is going through? Realizing, this party sucks.

• 52:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He's like, dude, this party sucks. What the hell am I doing with these guys? They're, I was a guy that was a card carrying member, and then this is what you're doing now? And I don't know if, if, I don't know if Adams was Democrat first before New York, or New York first before party. I think to him, it's like, look, being a New Yorker is way more important than being a Democrat. I'm protecting the city, is what I'm doing. And even when he speaks, he sounds like he's a New Yorker, right? Adams when he speaks. But Tom, what are your thoughts on this?

• 53:22Speaker 05

  He's running as an independent.

• 53:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I know he is, I know he is, I know he is. And then, Chris is running as a Republican. As we get closer, I want to say his name right, because I got so many of my next people saying, you have to learn how to say, folks. Half the time, I don't even know how to say Adams' name right.

• 53:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Silwa.

• 53:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Silwa.

• 53:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Silwa.

• 53:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's part of the Guardian Angels, the Guardian Angels was an alternative protection.

• 53:43Tom Ellsworth?

  But he's a Trump, he, he, he was not a Trump fan. I don't know if he's changed or not, but you're not gonna be anti-Trump, and you're gonna try to be the opposition of this.

• 53:50Speaker 05

  So I have a set of thoughts here, and I gotta organize them here, so that I'm faithful and I don't take up a lot of time. First of all, we have seen elections in recent memory that were supposed to be slam dunks, but went the other way. Canada, Pierre Polievé, right? Oh, it's a slam dunk, slam dunk all through the month of September.

• 54:09Tom Ellsworth?

  September and then whammo you know it's like wow what happened there? Yeah. So you've got uh elections aren't over until they're over number one. Number two, Adam is right that during the primary, the activated group is only the most energized and activated of the party. You look at the turnout, the turnout for primaries is usually, you know, forty, fifty percent of what the turnout is going to be in the general election, regardless of whether it's a midterm year, where there's less enthusiasm, or it's a general year, we have presidential elections and everybody's in the polls. So you've you've got that. The other side of it is, I honestly think Eric Adams is

• 54:53Tom Ellsworth?

  having a personal, you know, um, you know, not metamorphosis, but an evolution. He stepped out of line on on the um, the aid packages and sanctuary cities in New York and in six seconds, people that had supported him and loved him and we are family, we are the DNC, they turned on him and they turned on him hard. And he's looking at that going, wow, what just happened? I get out of line an inch and it turns out there is no loyalty. So I think there's a bit of an evolution with Eric Adams and you got to remember, he came from the police and he was not entirely lined up with the defund the police. Oh, he

• 55:38Tom Ellsworth?

  toed the line on the on the racial discrimination and things like that. Of course he did and he waved the flag a little bit, but then he backed up and go, no, wait a minute. So I think there's things that are happening with Eric Adams are very real. But the other thing I'll say about about this guy, this candidate, you know, which I call Mad Manny. So is look at those banners, afford to live, afford to dream. And you're talking to people who are out there who feel like, yeah, there's a lot of immigration here in New York City, but I also can't afford it here. I'm not talking about the immigrants that say they can't afford it. I'm talking about regular citizens that say, this is expensive, I can't afford it. And it's the same thing happened to California when all their insurance went

• 56:20Tom Ellsworth?

  up and they're saying, this is getting expensive, I can't afford it. And they're, they don't turn in mob-like fashion. Back it up, Rob, you can say. See those backdrops there? That's his backdrop, the orange and yellow, right there, top, right, yep. Afford to live, afford to dream. It's the yellow and blue, you see it everywhere. And it looks like it's just been freshly painted. And it's, it's, it's a very brilliant campaign. When you're trying to say, the people that did it to you ain't us. It's them and we need to go after the billionaires. It's a billionaire's fault. So it's a brilliant redirection. When the people that have failed have been the party itself, the same way that's failed in California. And we're going to talk a little bit later today about $10 gas.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Yeah. Hey, PBD, can I ask you a question? Because I actually want to get your CEO input on this, right? So, you know, they say if you don't study history, you're destined to repeat it. There's another quote out there that says, be weary from the person that tells you exactly what you want to hear.

• 57:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  Especially if they say what they smile on their face, like this guy is doing. Deception often wears the face of charm. So you talked about being a proud capitalist. Walk me through what you think the conversations are going to be like in the next five months? Between CEOs of companies and their hundreds, if not thousands of employees? Who may be voting for Mamdani? Like if you're the CEO of AikTainment and everyone here is voting for Bernie Sanders? What kind of conversation do you think is going to happen in the office? Because there's a lot of money at stake here, billions at stake. And believe me, CEOs are going to be, you're saying, oh, if you like this job, we might be moving to Florida, buddy. Put your CEO hat on. What do you think the conversations are going to be like in New York?

• 57:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, it, it all depends on who you are and who's brainwashing you. Because if you look at this article here that says stunning number of Gen Z Americans side with Iran against Israel. Okay. So then the question becomes why? Stunning number of Gen Z Americans side with Iran over Israel. A Daily Mail jail partners poll of 1,025 registered voters conducted on Tuesday and Wednesday founded at 22% of Gen Z voters, 18 to 29 sided with Iran over Israel in the recent conflict compared to 41% supporting Israel and 37% unsure. Jail partners pollster James Johnson stating, looking at the results, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that many young Americans have a problem with the Jewish state of Israel.

• 58:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It isn't that young people have a positive view of Iran per se. They don't, but they don't have such a negative, negative view of Israel that a significant portion of them are ready to side with almost any entity that is against them. Okay. Overall, 55% of American voters support Israel, 9% backed Iran, 36% were unsure. So, watch this. 9% of American voters supported Iran, backed Iran, 22% of Gen Z. Alright, what does this story tell you? This isn't an Israel story. This isn't an Iran story. This is a who do you spend the most time with and who has got influence in your ear? So, we'll sit here, right? And like, people watch this podcast, and people will text as well.

• 59:26Patrick Bet-David?

  "Hey, Tom." Boom. "Hey, Adam." Boom. "Hey, Vinnie." Boom. And then afterwards, someone's gonna come in your ear, Adam, or Vinnie's ear, or my ear, or Tom's ear. "Let me tell you, you were right there. Let me tell you..." "And let me tell you, this is where Pat's wrong. This is where Adam's wrong. This is where Vinnie's wrong." But imagine now you're 22 years old, okay? And you're in college. Who is doing that? Four to six professors, every day for four years. What do you think these professors do? 13 to 1 are liberals to conservatives. You have a monopoly on brainwashing you, and telling you what to do and what not to do. And you're sitting there buying to it. So, if you're asking me a question how CEOs are gonna feel about this, and how employees are gonna feel about this,

• 1:00:08Patrick Bet-David?

  it's all about what generation has what influence over them. I was having a meeting, yes, was it yesterday or Saturday, right? We're in a room with about 50 people. These are guys that run businesses. One of them was doing, you know, their top line revenue was, you know, half a billion dollars per year. They got a couple thousand employees. You know who I'm talking about?

• 1:00:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Maria Walker, inside joke. So, you know, we have some people who do a 150 million private equity, all these other things. And we're having conversations. Who should we trust when it comes down to media? And there was a couple guys that were their conservative media company that they're running, Tom. You know which ones I'm talking about, the guys that are in the room. And so, I said, alright, so, here's a question I got for all of you. What's that? I said, the way I watch people when they come after us, or they say certain things, the reason why I'm not offended, because I understand people's opinions are created based on a handful of things, Adam. One is, everybody's biased.

• 1:01:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Whether you like it or not, you're biased. Majority of people, guess what they choose as their faith? Majority of people, guess what they choose as their faith? Atheism? No, no, no.

• 1:01:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Christianity.

• 1:01:21Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, hear me out, let me ask you one more time. Majority of kids, when they're born, by the time they're 25, 30 years old, what is most likely the faith they choose?

• 1:01:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Whatever their parents have.

• 1:01:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever their parents have.

• 1:01:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:01:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever their parents have. Adam, your parents were Jewish. Your parents? Christians. Tom's parents, Christians. You choose your parents' faith, right? Because there's a little bit of what? Bias. If your parents were in the military, you join the military. Our pastor, Dudley Rutherford, his brother just passed away. He made a very nice video about his brother, when we saw him give a sermon. I think all his brothers are pastors. His father's a pastor. His father was one of the funniest preachers ever. His uncles are pastors. Everyone's a pastor. If you're born in that family, you're most likely going to end up becoming a what? A pastor, except if your name is Dallas. Everybody else is probably going to end up being a pastor. That's an inside joke, he'll get a kick out of it. Okay? So, we all have a bias.

• 1:02:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Guy sends me a message, "I can't believe you had Tommy Robinson on as a Pakistani. I want to debate him." I said, "Go make a video. I understand you're not happy about it, but there is data. But as a Pakistani, I understand why you're loyal." All the rest are pal, I get it, you have bias. Number two is what? Number two after biases, who was offended? Watch people's position on who offended them. Number three is which propaganda you're buying. Everybody's buying into propaganda. Very few people are truth tellers. Most people are selling the propaganda or bought into propaganda. What's number four? Who has the highest score of being able to reason? And last one, who is fair? And only time tells who's going to be able to get those five things right. There are certain things we have all biases on, certain things we don't have biases on.

• 1:02:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Unfortunately, most young kids, Adam, that are going through this, they have been bought into propaganda, coming out of a university, and it takes years of eliminating all that brainwashing they got in universities. And that's a lot of effort and a lot of work. So, we'll see what happened with that. But let me get to the next story here. Let me get to the next story here that we're talking about. The story we're talking about is, and Tom, I want to come to you with this one, is the China trade deal, okay? Trump locks in, China trade deal, keeping pressure on Beijing.

• 1:03:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is a big story. The Trump administration finalized a trade deal with China securing commitments from Beijing to export rare earth minerals vital to US manufacturing as Commerce Secretary Howard Luthen told Bloomberg. He has this video here, Rob, if you want to play this clip, go for it.

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• 1:04:15Speaker 01

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• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Shop Folgers Instant Coffee and more at your nearest retailer. Secretary, you just said that you're going to announce a whole bunch of deals over the course of the next week with what countries? And does that include the China deal the president suggested was signed yesterday? What is that?

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  So the China deal, we inked the deal. You remember, we had a trip to Geneva, and then that was being slow played. We got back together in London, and that deal was signed and sealed two days ago. President just said it just the other, just, you know, I don't know, 15 minutes ago. And then he also suggested that we are, of course, at the very close finish line with India. Of course, the way these deals happen is their prime minister and their parliament have to approve it, and the president likes to close these deals himself. I mean, he's the dealmaker. He loves to close it. I think we have deal after deal after deal. The president's going to make his calls. He's going to decide exactly the finishing touches on them.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  And then what we're going to do is we're going to lay out a structure of all the different kinds of tariff arrangements with different countries, right? There are countries with huge deficits. There are countries that are balanced. We're going to set that.

• 1:05:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can we go here what Scott Besen had to say about this because this is obviously a very big news that a lot of people are looking for with the China trade war. Go for it here.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  I know the rare earth minerals was a huge improvement after your conversations. Can you tell us about this agreement with China? What exactly does it entail?

• 1:06:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I love the way Besen speaks.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

  Sure. And look, Maria, this is what leadership looks like under President Trump. We've got peace deals, we got trade deals, we got tax deals, and in dealing with the world's second largest economy, we approached each other with mutual respect.

• 1:06:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Not done, perfect for this job.

• 1:06:32Speaker 05

  President Trump set the table with a very important call with Party Chair Xi. They have a very good relationship. We had had trade talks in Geneva toward moving toward the agreement in London. Part of the agreement was tariffs coming down and rare earth magnets starting to flow back to the US. They formed the core of a lot of our industrial base. They were not flowing as fast as previously agreed. President Trump and President Xi had a phone call, and then our teams met in London, ironed this out, and I am confident

• 1:07:14Speaker 05

  now that we, as agreed, the magnets will flow. In the meantime, we had put countermeasures versus the Chinese.

• 1:07:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause right there. Tom, how close are we? How important is this? How big could this be?

• 1:07:29Tom Ellsworth?

  This is very important. This is very close. But remember, what he said was this is a trade deal. This is not the complete trade deal. And what's very, very important here, he mentioned rare earth minerals and magnets more than once. Why? It's the same thing we were negotiating in Greenland. It's a simple now Greenland, we just have a deal with them. Now we got to build a mill and dig down in there and you do all that, and Greenland's not done. And Ukraine, part of the areas where they have the rare earth stuff, is there's, you know, bombs flowing back and forth, and that has to stop.

• 1:07:58Speaker 05

  But the rare earth deal in Ukraine was important and that's what they're doing here. But here, China has the rare earth minerals coming out of the ground, being turned into magnets, and he wanted to get those flowing back. So here's what happened. We put the tariffs in place and then they slowed down shipping the rare earth. We were trying to get backup plans with Ukraine and Greenland for rare earth. But remember, that was, Pat, you know, first you gotta build all the infrastructure. You need to get it out of the ground and make it usable. Well, guess what we did? We went back to them and it was a product called ethane and we covered it on a podcast before. Ethane is a root chemical that becomes plastic.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  And they need it and they need lots of it and we have massive, massive reserves of it. So, yep. And it becomes plastic. So, the need for plastic and chip software by China. So it went like this, it's a chessboard. Hey, here come the tariffs. All right, well, your magnet and rare earths are going to slow down. You get fewer of those. All American industry, Mr. President, we can't get the rare earth stuff. You gotta help us out. Now, just a minute, I'm negotiating with them. And he says, hang on, I got an idea. Shut down ethane and shut down and put restrictions on chip software. That's our chess move. Now China making all kinds of things out of plastic goes crap.

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  All right, I'll meet you in Geneva. I just compressed two months into that. You see how that worked? And they met in Geneva and they got it together. Now then, ready for this? The asterisk at the end of the sentence, if you dive down into this. If the rare earth magnets start flowing at the quantities they promised, only then will we declare that China has fulfilled its promises and that ethane will flow the other way. So we are not, what we are doing is we are doing Ronald Reagan, trust but verify. Okay, sign here, sign here. Sometimes... Trade deals aren't worth the paper they're written on. Well, guess what?

• 1:10:09Speaker 05

  We will let the ethane go and we will reduce the chip software in line as soon as they start actually flowing the magnets. So I think this is a very good starting point and we have reason to be happy. And by the way, just look at the stock market. The stock market likes it too, because with these magnets flowing back to American manufacturers, now they can keep the prices down of the products that they're making. So I think this was a really cool chess game and later we will be looking at it back and forth, I think, as a case study of how to do it.

• 1:10:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you, Tom. Can you go to one month, Rob? Okay, that's what the last month looks like, folks. Look at that. That's what the last one month looks like. Go to six months, it's gonna be different. That's six months. Okay, remember the low 38,000, drop below 38, 37? From 37 now it's what? 44, 294. And by the way, if-

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  This is broad-based Dow, it's even worse if you look at S and P.

• 1:11:08Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right, yeah. If this continues, the tariffs, the when it comes, I keep saying this, if they get this deal in 2026, the enemy's gonna try to do everything in their power to make Trump look bad, divide internally, everything in their power to do so. But 2026 could be the greatest years for many of you, of your lives, of your lives. If you do it right, I think 2026 is gonna be an IPO year. I think 2026 is gonna be a aggressively successful year for a lot of people that play offense. And I'm very optimistic about it. Tom, Adam, your thoughts here before we go to the next story?

• 1:11:50Speaker 05

  Fully agree with you on this. So we were just talking about the New York City potential Mayor Zorn Mamdani. And if you want to understand him, go read the book, The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx. You'll get a good, deep understanding to that guy's mindset. Now, if you're a world leader or somebody even domestic that wants to understand the mindset of Donald Trump, well, go read one book, and that book is The Art of the Deal. And in The Art of the Deal, he breaks, basically breaks it down- Into five key points, he says, think big, maximize, maximize leverage, know your market, use the press, which Trump does better than anyone, some may say. And then number five, protect your downside and have unlimited upside. Everything that Scott Besant just said, by the way, I think he's got a very cool, calm,

• 1:12:34Speaker 05

  collective demeanor, which is almost like the, the, the opposite of like how Howard Lutnick is, he's a little more brash, a little more bold. I think that's a good one, two punch negotiating these deals. But everything he talks about is in the framework of a deal. All right, whether it's peace deals, whether it's trade deals, whether it's tax deals, now they're talking about rail earth mineral deals, hostage deals, everything's a deal. And when you're a deal maker, anything's on the table. So I have one friend, you know him, Keith, he has an uncle who's a billionaire, right?

• 1:13:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:13:05Speaker 05

  And he still works his tail off every single day. I go, why is he still working 70 something years old? He goes, dude, he loves it. He's a deal junkie. He loves it. You know, Pat, you always talk about the love of the game. Hey, are you doing this for money? You're doing this for the love of the game. Trump is not doing this for money. Trump is doing it because he loves making deals. So in my opinion, Trump, he's working on the biggest deals he's ever worked on in his life, and a lot of them are coming to fruition now. So God bless America.

• 1:13:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, keep at it. We'll see what happened there. What we got here as the next story. Candace Owens gets a phone call. She talks about in regards, she talks about it, I think it was yesterday, if I'm not mistaken, an episode yesterday about a phone call she got out of nowhere from the president about somebody. Okay, and I want to play this clip for you. Go ahead, Rob, and play this clip. Here's Candace talking about a phone call she got from the White House. Go ahead, Rob. And I get another message that's like, hey, keep your phone on. And anyways, this phone call is coming from Florida. Pick up the phone and low and behold.

• 1:14:15Speaker 05

  You know, so here's what happened. I, I, I'm negotiating this thing. I'm negotiating Ukraine and Russia. You wouldn't believe how many, how many parts of her. It is President Donald J. Trump. He is calling me. And in true President Trump fashion, he jumps right into the narrative. There were not, hey, how you doing? He just like jumps right into the narrative of exactly how this went down. I am literally, I, it is hard to catch my breath to comprehend. At four days ago, I'm ending a series about Brigitte Macron. And for, and now I'm speaking to the President of the United States. And the topic of conversation, no matter which way you want to slice it, it's about Macron's wife's penis. I mean, there's no other way to say it, right? Anyways, I have Macron, I like Macron.

• 1:14:59Speaker 05

  We're speaking at the White House and I'm walking him to his car. And, you know, he says to me, Mr. President, can I speak to you for a second? I say, of course you can speak to me about anything. What's going on? And Macron wants to have a little sidebar. And then Macron says to him, Mr. President, do you know Candace Owens? And I say, yes, yes, of course I know Candace Owens. What's going on? And then he continues his narrative and he tells me that Emmanuel Macron is requesting to his face that I stop speaking about his wife. And one of the things Trump said is like, you know, he tells me, you know, she's old and this is really, really impacting her. And then he said, you know, I saw her, you know, Candace, I saw her up close and she looks like a woman to me.

• 1:15:44Speaker 05

  She looks like a woman to me. I, I had dinner with her at the top of the Eiffel Tower. And I explained to him that she has had this amazing doctor who specializes in transgenderism surgeries or feminization procedures. I'm talking to the President of the United States about this, guys. This is crazy. This is wacky. And I-

• 1:16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  said to Trump and I will be honest that at that moment I realized that one day this is gonna point so uh uh uh Vinny your thoughts on this so this is Candace saying that Trump called her to say Macron is asking to pump the brakes because we're trying to do deals and hey you know Candace can you give Candace a call your thoughts on this call

• 1:16:22Tom Ellsworth?

  with all due respect and you know I absolutely love Candace but you don't go talking about a private call from the President of the United States I don't care if it's Trump I don't care if it's Biden I don't care if it's freaking Ronald Reagan's ghost okay that's just not loose lips it's just it's just weak character like if you're if you're leaking conversations or or clicks or whatever like it's not you can't trust someone who's willing to expose stuff like that like she and and I don't know it's it's not a good look because like for instance do you think they're ever gonna anybody's gonna ever have a conversation just with whatever it is whatever it is with Candace with with that information coming out do you honestly think would you trust

• 1:17:04Patrick Bet-David?

  would you trust first of all let me ask this question do you do you believe that phone call happened I think she said the Rob what was the exact date she said sometime in February so you're talking about 30 days after inauguration January 28th I think she says the phone call happened uh third week of February the question is do you believe the call happened okay two uh so you believe the phone call happened that President Trump called

• 1:17:27Tom Ellsworth?

  my opinion yes

• 1:17:28Patrick Bet-David?

  okay you believe that

• 1:17:29Tom Ellsworth?

  it's too easy to deny right it's like we never talked to her

• 1:17:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam you believe that that the phone call happened

• 1:17:34Speaker 05

  I do I'm do you want me to my feedback

• 1:17:36Patrick Bet-David?

  but the second thing is is there anything wrong with her publicly sharing a phone call that I guess the second question when this do you think she asked permission from the Trump to publicly talk about the phone call

• 1:17:51Speaker 05

  no hell no

• 1:17:52Patrick Bet-David?

  then do you think it's appropriate for her to publicly talk about that becomes a question Adam your thoughts

• 1:17:58Speaker 05

  Well, it depends on what the phone call basically encompass if he said, keep this between us or not. But Candace has an opportunity to basically make friends with Trump or make enemies with Trump. If Elon Musk is an enemy of Trump at this point, you better believe Candace might be in her sights. Now, what you, what you don't see in that clip is the reason that Emmanuel Macron asked that of Trump was because basically it was, it was, you know, we've heard the quid pro quo thing before. He said, listen, if you want my help in ending the Russia-Ukraine war, I need a favor from you. Have Candace, who has made it her life's work of dismantling my wife, husband, whatever body parts.

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  If you really want me to go all in and help save literally millions of lives, do me a favor and make a call to her and see if she can just chill out. Because no matter who you are, no matter what you do, we all have emotions. We all have feelings. Everything's interpersonal relationships. We just talked about how Trump and Musk fell out because of personal relationship. Do you believe that Macron maybe said something to Trump about, hey, this woman has made her life's work about my wife being a man or not? I totally believe that happened. So, but I also, if Trump never told her, don't say anything, I'm actually, understand why Candace will say this. I'll say one last thing. Making a documentary about Emmanuel Macron's wife or ending the Ukraine-Russia war, to me, it's not even a conversation.

• 1:19:24Speaker 05

  You end the war. But Candace in another clip said this, she said, I didn't know what to do. So do you know who she said she called? She said she called Tucker, who she doesn't really speak with, but he got it. She got his advice, free speech advice. She said at the time, I was pregnant with my fourth child, I believe. I was emotional and I tend to be hot-headed, wink, wink. I do believe that she's been infected by the IDS, Israel Derangement Syndrome. But I don't totally understand why she's putting that out there for clips, for views, I get that. But hopefully this will lead to ending the Russia-Ukraine war and we can refocus the conversation, not on Emmanuel Macron's body parts.

• 1:20:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think she said, I don't think she said. That she's changing her position. The fact that she's talking about this, that's bringing it back up. So I don't think this is gonna put an end to any of it. It is back surface that people are talking. We haven't talked about this. And by the way, you wanna know what's crazy? I actually think she's right about Macron. Me too. I actually think that, and I'm not even, I'm not even taking a position that. I think I was one of the, you know, better jobs of investigation work that's happened the last couple of years. And I think, I even remember we were at a UFC fight, the first time she was reading it. She's so excited. She's telling us about it backstage. But, but the, but the challenge becomes that phone call. And, and Adam, to add to what you just said right there.

• 1:20:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think this gets her closer to Elon, because she's also been very critical of Elon. And Trump. So I don't think it's gonna be all of a sudden getting there. Tom, your thoughts on this here, this position here? So number one, I have a couple of thoughts. Man, if the President of the United States calls you and he's speaking about that. I, I don't think you talk about it on the air unless you had some sort of a a framework agreement, right? And say, Mr. President, I appreciate the call and everything. You know, you know, I'm, I'm very public and I'm very out there talking about many things. If I was to mention this, um, yeah, I would prefer you didn't. You can do what you want, Candace, but I would prefer you didn't. I think you ask about that.

• 1:21:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, we've, we've had all kinds of celebrities and all kinds of, uh, shoot, heavy hitting, major political people that have said things behind the scenes. Um, would we have liked, or would you have liked to gone out and say things? Hey, folks, in the insurance industry, the following, the following, following might help us out? Yeah, but we respect what's called confidence. And I, I, I just don't think with a sitting president, unless you've got a conversation there and an understanding that, um, that you say anything. Now then, I think she's right about Macron's, um, husband.

• 1:22:03Speaker 05

  Wife and she's not the only one, but her investigative reporting was quite good and quite deep and quite, you know, backed up. But I have a, I have a final little point here and it's about Macron. If Macron said to the President of the United States,

• 1:22:24Speaker 05

  I am not going to weigh in and help out with a major humanitarian crisis in a foreign country until gossip stops about my wife, then you are one of the shallowest people to walk the halls of leadership at the country level. That just absolutely greets me on that point.

• 1:22:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a good point. Vinny, your thoughts?

• 1:22:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, well, just, I want to get in there because, because Adam, you said something like, um, does he have to say, or like, should there have been like a, hey, can I, no, no, that, there's an unwritten rule. You don't have to say, keep this between us. It's a personal phone call between me and you. I shouldn't have to even think about you going on air. The conversations that we have, that you have with him, that you have with that ever, did you ever be like, hey, don't ever talk about this? No, you should know. You keep your mouth shut, especially the President, Adam, of the United States. There's a trust and once that trust is gone, I don't think anybody would ever talk to her on any type of level like, hey, listen, just do me a favor and listen, I love Candace to death. By the way, great reporting.

• 1:23:30Tom Ellsworth?

  She revealed the, the President of freaking Francis, husband, wife, whatever, at least at the bare minimum was in some pedophilia shit because you were, you met him when he was 14 or 12 or whatever. But when it comes to allegedly, all allegedly, all allegedly, but it's, there shouldn't be a question, Pat of, should he have said something? Should she have asked? No, no. The President of the United States isn't asking, how about this? You should know, whatever I talk to you, by the way, when the person calls you, hey, this is a, a call from the President of the United States. You, that, that's it. That's the co-sign unwritten rule.

• 1:24:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you. Adam, your thoughts?

• 1:24:04Speaker 05

  Vinny? I hear you, but you have to understand your audience, understand the person you're making. She's not making, he's not, Trump isn't making a phone call to some random person, some person with information, a business contact. He's making a phone call to one of the most popular podcasters in the world, whose job it is to yap and talk shit. You say, don't say this to your audience, and you say that up front. That's like when you're saying, giving a quote to a newspaper, or the New York Times, the Washington Post, you'll say, this is from an undisclosed source. You'll say that. Or I'll talk to you on background. Exactly. You'd say, listen Candace, I know that you have a big platform, do not mention this, but here's what I need from you. And listen, if the Trump is basically

• 1:24:49Speaker 05

  saying, hey, as much as shallow it is about Macron, basically trying to defend his wife, people have emotions, people have feelings. If it's a matter of saving lives and ending a war, you do what you're told. Because to me, this whole thing that we talk about, signal versus noise. Noise is whether Bridgette Macron has a penis or not. Signal is ending a frickin' war. It's not even close, in my opinion.

• 1:25:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, but, but, no, Adam, I agree, I agree 100%.

• 1:25:18Speaker 05

  Okay, so we'll just end it right there.

• 1:25:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me, let me, let me ask this, let me ask this other question. So on this one here, we went, okay, so maybe the last question, maybe the last question. Trump making the phone call. Do you think Trump made the right decision calling, or should Trump have told Macron, bro, that's your business? You want me to call Candace to tell her to stop talking about you? That's embarrassing request you're making. The request means it's right. So do you think the president should have made the call, or do you think the president making the call knew that there's a possibility that Candace is going to talk about this publicly? You remember when we did the podcast, something happened in the middle of the podcast with the president, he said, you know?

• 1:25:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so do you think the president knew she may talk about this publicly?

• 1:26:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:26:07Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think in that moment, Pat, because he's like, we talked about such a dealmaker, Adam, you said this, he just wants to make deals. I don't think in that moment, he's going, oh, shit, is she gonna, because you should have, because there's a book, Pat, this is in regard to her too, there's a book that a guy wrote, you guys might have read this, it's called, Choose Your Enemies Wisely. She is choosing Adam. Elon's a whole different ball of wax. This is the worst enemy to make is the president of the United States, who's not only going to be in for four years, whoever's going to come in after him is going to be in there for, hopefully, you know, God willing, for a bunch of other years. Nobody's going to trust her. They're not going to trust her to have any conversations. She doesn't have to care, in fact.

• 1:26:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So, Rob, there was another clip that you, that you had, the one, here's one with Pierce, right, where she's talking about, go ahead and play this clip. This is about Israel, Iran, completely different position. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:26:57Speaker 06

  Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 90, dishonorable discharge can result in forfeiture of all pay and allowances up to five years confinement, which is a pretty heavy penalty to pay. Yeah, I'd want my kids to go to jail before they, before they fought for Israel. I'll say that honestly. I would. I have, I have three sons, and I'm going to be honest with you, Pierce, I'm glad you, glad you told me that consequence. I'd take that consequence any day, to them being sent back over in a coffin because they died for Israel. Okay, but yeah, I think the one thing you're missing, look, I come from a big military family, a lot of military in my family, and a lot of people fighting wars on behalf of the United States are not doing it because they think Bibi Netanyahu wants them to. They're doing it because they... Some of them do, and they write into my show and answer the question.

• 1:27:40Speaker 06

  But many of them won't, and they might be offended by you suggesting that's the only reason they're doing it. And they can watch your show, and, and they can be offended all they want, but I think it's more offensive the way that our military is treated, the veterans are treated, and the gaslighting that takes place when we're told that we have to defend everybody's borders, but our own. I actually think America treats its veterans better than almost any country in the world. I mean, you have, this has always been an open conversation, and I'm just saying that if my boys were being drafted to fight this, this war in Iran, I would be like, you know what, honey, take the other option. And that's not because it's cowardice, it's because when you sign up for the military... Okay, but I would say that the pilots, so far... That you are doing something that is going to better your country. And like I said, our country has been in steep decline since we haven't partied this foreign policy, which is just...

• 1:28:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever Israel wants.

• 1:28:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, but you made that point, but what I'm.

• 1:28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, shout out to Pierce who just crossed 4 million. Shout out to Candace for being on Pierce and them having a conversation. Do you agree with her position on the three sons I wouldn't want to join the military today to fight for Israel?

• 1:28:35Tom Ellsworth?

  As a veteran, as an angry patriot, she has the right to say that and, you know, because mind you, I backed up and I said, what do you mean by I would much rather have my sons go to prison than have them fight for Israel? No, unless there is a draft, unless there's a war where we don't have any soldiers, well, thank God to P. Hekseth and what he's doing, that we're freaking, the numbers are going up and we're gonna be okay. It's, I, I, I, I, I, I don't like Israel getting dragged into something just to make a point because nobody's dying for Israel when they sign the oath. When we signed the oath, we signed up to do what, Pat? To the Constitution, to serve America, okay? But the freedoms what Candace is, is not alluding to, like, you get to be who you are,

• 1:29:19Tom Ellsworth?

  was brought to you by the people who did what she says she never let her own kids do. So, you understand, like, she gets to say what she wants to say because people like us signed up and defended this country so you could say and do whatever you want. She has the right to do it. I'm not a huge fan of it because nobody's dying for Israel. I signed up to fight at any cost and protect any cost the United States of America.

• 1:29:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What percentage of people you think joined the military to fight wars for Israel? What percentage of Americans joined the military to fight for Israel? What would you say?

• 1:29:52Speaker 05

  Zero percent.

• 1:29:53Tom Ellsworth?

  What, no, I, I, I mean, hold on. If there, this percentage of Jewish people in the military that signed up to do that, very true.

• 1:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if I met a single Jew in the military. I literally don't know if I've met a single Jew in the military.

• 1:30:07Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a very good point. I don't think I ever.

• 1:30:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you ever meet a Jew in the military?

• 1:30:10Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 1:30:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if Jews joined the military.

• 1:30:12Tom Ellsworth?

  I'd be, I'm gonna be honest with you. They're great. I'd never even thought of it. No, I've never met a Jew.

• 1:30:15Patrick Bet-David?

  IDF, that, no, I don't know if I met one.

• 1:30:18Tom Ellsworth?

  American soldier.

• 1:30:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I don't know if I met one. So we got 1.3 million active duty personnel, 8 to 10,000 Jewish service members. Do the percentage on it, on how it matches with the population. That translates to what? Less than 1% point 6 to point 8% of military population. What percentage of the US population is the Jewish community? Okay, so got it. So they're 2% of US population. So nearly a third of.

• 1:30:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever the US, you understand what I'm saying? So it's not a lot of Jones. I don't know if I ever met a single Jew in the military. I'm telling you, I did it and I was in for. I don't know if people join to fight Israel. Adam, your thoughts on this, on the comments here about the three boys, three sons?

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

  No, I mean, let's just, you join the American military to fight for America. Period, full stop. It's such a stupid premise to think that anybody is joining the military to fight for Israel. It just shows how deranged Israel, derangement syndrome has seeped in. Because here's the reality, everything she talked about, none of it came to fruition. Can we acknowledge that? Is that she's saying, deen list from the military, what's it called? Dishonorable gin charge. I want you to do this. I want, you're not gonna die for Israel. Yeah, zero boots are on the ground, Candace? Zero, not one. By the way, the hypothetical war against Iran, where zero boots were on the ground? We just dropped some bunker bombs, zero boots.

• 1:31:46Speaker 05

  But by the way, when they're fighting Hezbollah and they're fighting Hamas and they're fighting the Houthis and they're fighting radical jihadists all around the region, zero boots on the ground. So to me, it's such a stupid premise and nonstarter that it's just complete fear porn and all you Gen Z idiots are falling for it. And then I said this on the last podcast, Donald Trump dismantled George W. Bush and Jeb Bush. Please clap. So what makes you think that Donald Trump, the person who campaigned on not having stupid endless wars, was gonna get into a quagmire in the Middle East of stupid endless wars?

• 1:32:29Speaker 05

  How uninformed and misinformed are you? Or do you have an agenda? I don't know. Is fear porn your business model? I don't know. Because have any American troops been on the ground? You talk about what percentage of Jews join the American military? I know 100% of Israelis join the IDF. I know that. But zero boots on the ground, yet you're selling the fear porn? That we're all gonna die for Israel? It's such a stupid premise. And it just shows where Candace is at. Is that, and I actually like Candace. Like anytime I've hung out with Candace, I actually think she's a cool person. I just think she's genuinely been infected with this very, very sickening disease.

• 1:33:12Speaker 05

  So I didn't serve in the military. But I've known many, many, many people, including the Patriots and the heroes that are sitting at this table, who have. And it's very interesting, in Los Angeles, to Adam's point. I had not one, not two, but three classmates that I remember at Pepperdine when I was getting my masters, had, were either going in after, or had been American citizens and went and served two years in the IDF. You know, be out of family heritage and they're, you know, I am an American, but I'm gonna go serve my two years in the IDF.

• 1:33:52Speaker 05

  But everyone that was in the US military, you always ask them, "Where did you go?" "Oh, I was in Grenada." "Oh, it's many, many years ago, but I was stationed here. I was in the Philippines for this long." We have a very tremendously good friend and business colleague from the Philippines, served in the US Marine Corps and went many places. So, anyone that serves in the US military, you go somewhere in the US military and you defend and serve. So which mom is gonna pick which country that they don't want their son or daughter serve? serving to go to. Don't we in the US military kind of end up going everywhere and serving everywhere?

• 1:34:34Speaker 05

  And sometimes those are hot theaters and hot theaters in military terminology is an active engagement with real things that are going off. And so I don't know. You know, I feel like this is a strong feeling about Israel. But if you step back and look at it more broadly in terms of service, you know, and I know it's a hot issue right now and there's a lot going on and I respect Candace as well. But which moms are going to say, I don't want my kids going to Sudan. I don't want my kids going to Uzbekistan to sit in there. I don't want my kids going to the Karbala Gap.

• 1:35:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:14Speaker 05

  I mean, where does it stop?

• 1:35:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think there's a couple of things here, okay, that you go through. One, everybody's brainwashed and everybody brainwashes. Everybody, let me say that one more time. Everybody's brainwashed and everybody's brainwashing. The question is, are you using soap? Are they using no soap on you? Is it nasty? Is it dirty water? What is it? But there's no one that's not brainwashing or being brainwashed. Let me unpack that for you. You know, for many years, our jobs was to convince people that being a business owner, you know, an entrepreneur can help your family's dreams become a reality.

• 1:35:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And these are people that have never thought about doing that before. And then eventually you can use the word persuasion, whatever you want to call it. I was always told, John Maxwell said it best. He says persuasion is a gift. He said, but be to be very careful, once you learn really how to persuade, to not be tempted to manipulate because it's the same skill set. But in persuasion, everybody wins and manipulation, you win, they lose because you're destroying people's lives, right? When you're manipulating. I think.

• 1:36:26Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of people have fallen for this trap of getting caught with hate, with anger, with rage, and the deeper they get into it, it gets worse and worse and worse. And then eventually, the example becomes of the following. You have to be so careful. In poker, they call it something. Whenever you're at a table, and this happens at blackjack, but typically, it's more on, the phrase is more used on poker when you're playing.

• 1:36:50Tom Ellsworth?

  No limit hold them.

• 1:36:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're, you're in, you go full in, you're supposed to win, you got pocket aces. And all of a sudden, river comes in, boom, you lose. And I was supposed to win that. And then you buy in another $5,000, and then all of a sudden, you're not playing reckless. Now you're going in hands you should have never gone into, now you're raising on hands you would have never raised before, and you know it's not the right thing to raise 210, but you're thinking, you know, the, the, what do you call it? It's gonna show two, the, the, the tens on the flop, and you're like, oh, I got them. And you're just chasing to get that money back, right? What's that phrase called? Tilt. Tilt. That happens in politics, that happens in life, that happens in so many different things.

• 1:37:33Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and sometimes, once the point is made, and you continue, continue, continue, continue, continue, then all of a sudden, you're, the phrase in too deep, that you start saying certain things and believing certain things that maybe you never initially believed in anyways, but now it's exaggerated, now you're fully committed to it. I think the biggest thing with that phrase is, I joined the military proudly, and while we were in there, they were, they were doing the anthrax deal. That was the biggest controversy. Are you gonna take the shot? You're not gonna take the shot. I'm not gonna take the shot.

• 1:38:02Tom Ellsworth?

  People were getting discharged.

• 1:38:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to take the shot. Your government property, and eight years, and da-da-da-da-da, and all the stuff that you're going through, right? The debate is healthy, it's necessary. But the moment you lose pride in your country, you know, I'm a Christian, right? The Catholic Church, what movies have they made about Catholic Church?

• 1:38:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the biggest criticism they say about the Catholic Church?

• 1:38:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Spotlight.

• 1:38:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Spotlight was about what?

• 1:38:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Spotlight was about the Boston Archdiocese and how they were covering up, basically.

• 1:38:32Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Tom Hanks movie.

• 1:38:33Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, it was a, uh, Mike, uh, Michael Keaton.

• 1:38:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, oh, Keaton.

• 1:38:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, Mark Ruffalo, oh boy, fantastic.

• 1:38:39Patrick Bet-David?

  How many movies have they made about what happens in a Catholic church?

• 1:38:42Speaker 05

  Da Vinci.

• 1:38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot. How many, how many have they made about what happens to boys in Catholic churches?

• 1:38:46Tom Ellsworth?

  A lot.

• 1:38:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:38:47Speaker 05

  A good amount.

• 1:38:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Does that mean all Catholics are like that?

• 1:38:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Not at all.

• 1:38:50Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:38:50Patrick Bet-David?

  How many, how many, uh, uh, you know, uh, uh, things do you hear, like even we talk about Muslims, right? And we say certain things about Muslims. And you hear about what? You know, well, you know, extremists, all, does that mean all of them are like that?

• 1:39:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Not at all.

• 1:39:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No. How many bad businessmen are there who, you know, insurance, Armenian, insurance fraud, Glendale, all the, does that mean all Armenians are like that? How many criticism about Jews and, does that mean all of them? The question then becomes military pride. My loyalty is to the Constitution that allowed me to have a life that I can have my opinion and we can have discourse and debate and sit there and say, I agree, I disagree, and I totally support that. But the moment you lose pride in the country that gave you the opportunity to have the freedom of speech and you no longer have pride in that to fight for that, what are you willing to fight for? I think it's a slippery slope that you're, you're going and, and, and God

• 1:39:46Patrick Bet-David?

  willing, you know, she's able to go through it because when you got, when you're that talented and capable, you attract a lot of people that say, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, and if you're always only around people that are saying, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, so it creates a lot of blind spots. And one day you wake up, you're like, whoa, I was wrong. But do I want to really say that to the public at that level? No. Let me double down. Let me double down. So here's what it means.

• 1:40:14Patrick Bet-David?

  When you go and do tariffs, Trump did, you better be right.

• 1:40:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Damn right.

• 1:40:19Patrick Bet-David?

  When you go out there and your name is Musk and they say Trump wasn't Epstein, you better be right and you better show the receipts. When you go up there and da da da da, you better bring it up, right? You better be right. That is the part. You better be right. All the criticism right now res up Al Abi. You know what I've been saying lately? I've gotten the most weirdest calls. People all the way up from the White House to uh uh people who are against it, for it, meetings. Hey, I want to have flying. I want to have a come. Can we have the meeting? All this stuff, right? He's our guy. He's our guy. Okay? Rob, do you have this clip of one guy that posted stuff? I'm trying to see if I have it. I can't even find it. But there's all, if you go on, go on Twitter and if you just go on and on uh on my account, Rob,

• 1:41:05Patrick Bet-David?

  and you see on one post that I put up and go a little bit lower if you could. Cause we have, I keep thinking we've done podcasts like two days ago. We haven't done it for a while. Go a little bit lower. Keep going, keep going, keep going, right there. Okay? So I post this comment and then click on, go to the bottom and look at some of the pictures that comes up. Go a little bit lower, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower. Oh, you should see these memes. They're hilarious, right? Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. They should be, okay, boom. The Molas bottom. Yeah, I'm bought by Molas for sure. The Molas bottom. I'm sold because Molas are sponsoring this podcast. This podcast is brought to you by Molas. That's for sure our biggest sponsors that we got. Go a little bit lower, right? And you'll see these different pictures with me on turbans.

• 1:41:47Patrick Bet-David?

  It's actually funny when I watch it and there's one of them are flushing down the, go, go back up. I want to, I want to play this clips for these folks to realize how little this bothers me. Go back a little bit. Just go back to the recent post. Rob, just go on that. Yeah, there you go. So go to the one above it, the one that I put up that's a, no, go back, Rob. Yeah. Go up one tweet right there. That tweet right there. Click on that. It's probably going to be in this section on the bottom. Go a little bit lower and see if this shows up. Okay, go a little bit lower, lower, lower. Keep going, keep going. Okay, what's this one say? No, no, what's this one say?

• 1:42:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Money whore.

• 1:42:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Patrick, but David, okay, keep going. Meck. I don't even know what Meck is by the way. Keep going a little bit lower. Uh, go a little bit lower. What's this one say? That's where the, before the recent sponsorship agreement? He is afterwards. What sponsorship? But that's it. But this tells you how powerful AI is. Go a little bit lower, by the way. Go a little bit lower, a little bit lower, a little bit lower. See if there's anything else. There's one that they, that, that one right there. Watch this one flushing down the toilet. That's the power of AI, right? Okay, so. Oh, wow. Look at you. The, the, the power that they've built is amazing. But here's what I will tell you. Blood on the toilet. Okay, here's what I will tell you.

• 1:42:51Patrick Bet-David?

  To all these people who are offended that I call that your candidate. Reza Pahlavi. This is, you know, the, we want constitutional monarchy is what we want in Iran. No problem. Reza says, you know, maybe a democracy. Great. Why do people still, still call him Crown Prince? You can say no longer monarchy. It's not gonna work in Iran, right? He's got 79% approval rating. Really? Yeah. Huh. 79% of, he does in Iran is 79% approval rating. If he does, why do we not see people in the streets of millions of people? Do you guys realize Khomeini was in France for 15 years?

• 1:43:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And millions of people in the streets went out there protesting at a time where Khomeini was handing out tapes? You got YouTube, X, videos go viral much faster. He did it with tapes. Millions went on the streets. How come millions are not in the streets for Reza Pahlavi? By the way. I am so comfortable being wrong. If all of a sudden millions go protesting saying they want this guy. Go, go, let me challenge you. Go, go do it. That's not how it works. What a cold-hearted persons you are. No. The reality of it is the fact that when you make claims like that, that you're gonna go out there and, you know, 79% approval rating in Iran? Show us with action. Show us with numbers. But here's the point where I'm going to with the conversation of Candace.

• 1:44:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Sometime when you make claims, you better be right. And it doesn't mean you have to be right 100% of the time. You have to be right 60, 70% of the time. Some more, some less. But, but when you're doubling down and doubling down and doubling down and doubling down and doubling down, you better be right. Musk better be right with Epstein. Trump better be right with tariffs and he's showing numbers. He's bringing in receipts. I wrote a letter, I contacted two people. Who used to work for Reza Palabi for seven years. They were from France. They came and visited me 2014, 2015. I went back and looked at the email. And there's a picture of me and Reza Palabi. We had a meeting in DC for three hours. And I'm sitting there having a conversation with them. And I wrote a 10-page letter. I finally found the letter.

• 1:45:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Both of you guys read the letter?

• 1:45:03Tom Ellsworth?

  All of it.

• 1:45:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And I pulled up the email. When was the email that was sent out?

• 1:45:08Tom Ellsworth?

  2011?

• 1:45:09Patrick Bet-David?

  When was the, what was the exact?

• 1:45:11Tom Ellsworth?

  It was, it was over a decade ago. I want to say 10 years, 10 or 11 years ago.

• 1:45:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to know when.

• 1:45:17Tom Ellsworth?

  2013, I believe.

• 1:45:19Patrick Bet-David?

  It was Nazila and another man named Reza. Came and met with me. I just want to know when the letter was sent. Okay, there we go.

• 1:45:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Could I guess? Was it November?

• 1:45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you read the date? What's the date there?

• 1:45:29Tom Ellsworth?

  The date on this email is March 21st, 2015.

• 1:45:34Patrick Bet-David?

  March 21st, 2015. How thorough was it about what I would do if I was him?

• 1:45:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Well.

• 1:45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  How thorough was the, was the letter?

• 1:45:43Speaker 06

  Incredibly.

• 1:45:44Tom Ellsworth?

  But, but what was amazing was every single thing that you're saying today about this entire situation, you were saying it and giving recommendations to the T that many years ago. And I was shocked that you even found that, you remember that you even wrote this.

• 1:45:59Speaker 06

  I thought it was politically astute. I thought it was a very well-crafted, you know, a kind of a how to engage this situation. This was not a short tweet, you know, with some opinion on social media. This was after meeting them live, a well-thought-out summary. Because you are a proud American, but you also have...

• 1:46:24Patrick Bet-David?

  A heart for your heritage and a heart for the people that are yearning for freedom. Yeah, you know what's crazy, one of the biggest criticism I've ever gotten, Rob, can you type in Patrick Bedavid painting Dead Mentors? Type in this, this is the same people that are saying Mullah Hezbollah, all this stuff, they're they're clueless about what they're talking about. Go to images if you could, Rob, go to images. This is a painting I have in my house. It's a 15 foot painting and guess who's sitting right in the middle, zoom in a little bit, you know who that is sitting right in the middle? His dad. Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi. That's who's sitting right in the middle. Me in the back, Tupac, Senna, a bunch of different guys, we're debating two books on the table. Communist Manifesto and At the Shrub, right? The moral of the story is this. Reza Pahlavi may be a nice guy.

• 1:47:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I've been trying to encourage him and help him out on the back end as much as I could for over a decade. But the reality of it is, this spends that 46 years and the Iranian people that keep supporting him. And waiting for that miracle to happen of a constitutional monarchy and getting in the way of actual Iranians in Iran. Who really know what's going on the most. It's, you remind me of Jeb Bush voters. When Jeb Bush on day one got 140 million dollars and Trump called out Jeb. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're definitely gonna be the one that's gonna get the job done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you're definitely gonna get. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're real tough. And then people started cursing Trump out. You're a con man, all you care about is money and all this other stuff.

• 1:47:54Patrick Bet-David?

  He ended up being right. He was right. And I hope I'm wrong. So to all the Iranian romanticizers of Reza Pahlavi that is gonna go out and bring the freedom to you, I hope I'm wrong. I'm telling you right now, I hope I'm wrong. And I hope you guys get on the streets. I hope you go and say, screw this guy, let us show unification, go, play this clip in all your telegrams. And say, in Pedar Saib, baby, in Chimi again. Podcast started, man, fake me, Kana, Hamas, pull it, I get as a sponsor, ship me out, go say it to each other and go show in the streets. Go show up. Go show up in LA.

• 1:48:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Go show up in Chicago, go show up in New York, go show up in Miami, go show up in Dallas, go, I know you're all over the place. I talked to you when you run into me, go show up. If you really want to see what happens in Iraq, go ahead. Go ahead, do it. Do it this week. By the way, time is ticking. It's over. The biggest chance you had, gone. What's the next one you're waiting for? What are you waiting for? For Daddy Trump to come out and take out Khomeini or something like that? What are you waiting for? What's next for you? Go ahead. Send some more posts. I'm loving it. You're entertaining the hell out of me. But you guys better be right about your candidate. You better be right about your candidate. You better be right about your candidate.

• 1:49:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And I hope he's able to do what you think he's able to do. I hope he is. And I'm the only one right now that's going out there publicly that's saying it like this. And I'm getting all the, what do you call it? The arrows and, oh, this mother, narcissist, traitor, Iranian, Amrikay. It's not Iran, it's in, in Osorie, bad Armani, Esme Bedawit, make a Jewish name. Uh huh, okay, keep saying it. I'm loving it because you're talking to each other about it. But there is a small percentage of you. 25% of the romanticizers. You know what they're saying when they're seeing it? Here's what they're saying. Bebeen.

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• 1:50:56Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy got a point. 76 years old, you want to wait another 10 years? 10 years, 20 years, I want to do it. Jump, jump, jump, jump, jump. Oh, really? No, no. Uh huh. The 25%ers with some brass talk to the 75%ers. I'm not expecting 60% of you to flip at all. You're fully committed to this and I understand it's a dream. Trust me, I get it. Mehra bishishom is when I was born. I understand. I used to go to Parke Shahan Shahi. And my dad and I, best memories. Shahan Shahi, we go to Bandar Pahlavi. My entire family is from Bandar Pahlavi, from my mother's side. You guys know Bandar Pahlavi? They don't call it Bandar Pahlavi anymore. 20 miles outside of Isidrash.

• 1:51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  My dad used to work at Karaj in Ajyan. Driving a Renault with all the pekans.

• 1:51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to a restaurant called Gooch.

• 1:51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Jam Hospital, Nader Shah, School Gulbenjyan. This is Iran, okay? And you guys are keep, yeah, yeah, he's the guy. And Khamenei is like, oh, keep doing that. I love this. And you know what they just announced in Iran right now? You know what they just officially said you can't use in Iran? Starlink. Did you hear about this? A day ago, Rob, did you get the story? I think I sent it to you. Watch this one here. Iran Observer, breaking news. Iranian Parliament banned the use of Starlink and its possession is now criminalized.

• 1:52:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Even having it.

• 1:52:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this. Rob, can you go type in on ChatGPT? What is the punishment for having Starlink? Look what's going on in Iran right now. What is the punishment? And Iranians had the biggest opportunity they had the last 46 years. Biggest opportunity they had the last 46 years. Possession, purchase or sale of unauthorized leads to six months to two years in prison plus fines and even flogging under the new legislation.

• 1:52:53Tom Ellsworth?

  That means beating you with a stick.

• 1:52:54Patrick Bet-David?

  That means beating you publicly.

• 1:52:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Importing or manufacturing more than 10 units carries a harsher penalty of five to 10 years imprisonment. Additionally, laws classified collaborating with the enemy states as a capital offense, although this applies to activities like drone support and cyber attacks. Go a little bit lower, Rob. They have the summary in a very clear way. Right there, you see it. And by the way, collaborating with hostile states, look what it says right there. Death penalty. Just have Starlink. What are they afraid of? What are they afraid of? For the world to actually hear other messages that are coming in to the Iranian people that are in Iran. I, I, I said different names last time. I'm not supporting anybody. I'm not supporting Nagy's. I'm not supporting anybody. I'm supporting the people.

• 1:53:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The people of Iran. Who are the ones that are really paying the price for this. Who are the ones that want their kids' dreams to become a reality, yet they're afraid for their kids to go on the streets and protest. That's the pain I understand. To the people that have had a job, respectfully. I don't know if Reza Pahlavi has ever had a job. I don't know if he's ever had to work for anything. Nice guy, but it's a very different lifestyle. He doesn't relate to the average person in Iran that's gone through challenges. To get a job and make money. I'm getting a little bit tougher here because I'm seeing how the response is being as well and I, I'm not, I'm not a guy that's gonna be Sitting here scared, "Oh my God." Keep your mouth shut, you mother, you know, does nothing to me.

• 1:54:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing. And eventually, either you're going to be right, or I'm gonna be right. The difference is, I'm very comfortable being wrong. But I, I, in this entire instance, my care isn't for Iranians living outside of Iran. My care isn't for Iranians living in Australia. My biggest sympathy goes to the Iranians living in Iran who are going through this right now. That's hard. That's annoying. I lived in Iran 11 years. I've said this many times. I don't wanna sound like a broken record after the revolution till 1989. It sucks. It's tough. Your mom, your dad, they're scared. It's, it's very challenging. It's different. I sympathize with the Iranian people.

• 1:55:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And I would, there's nothing, you know what happens when anyone, a person can't dream anymore? You know why my fire comes from where it comes from? I got four kids. Last night, we're sitting there, you know, I watched his two beautiful girls, and I'm telling them about what Brooke is turning into, what Bailey is turning into. I'm watching Daniel Dante, little Leo who smiles the moment he wakes up in the morning. You know, even Ethan and Gabriel that are here, these are our, this is our family. My nephew, my niece, Sean and Grace, whom I love, absolutely love them, I'm so proud of them. That's what I think about. I want their dreams to become a reality when I'm seeing Rob posting videos, when he's out there in New York with his son with awesome hair, Rob and his son have the same identical hair. I love seeing the fact that Rob is able to sell the dream to these guys.

• 1:55:50Patrick Bet-David?

  It excites me. I get excited about that. Can you imagine how many kids in Iran? They have a dream, they can't have it? Are you, as a parent, you know how painful that is? 92 million, of which what percentage are parents, say 30%? You mean to tell me as a parent, I have to look at my kid and say, "Son, that dream of yours cannot become a reality?" I can't do that. That's what hurts me. And I'm not okay with that. And for me, for somebody to sit there and keep campaigning and not providing results, stop it already. Stop it.

• 1:56:21Patrick Bet-David?

  No company keeps a CEO over and over again, and they keep saying, "This year, we're gonna provide results. This year, we're gonna provide results." No, you're either fired or go be an advisor. Make up your mind of what you want to do. Step aside, because the most important people here aren't the ones that are showing up and they're doing fundraising. And you know you have sanctions, so you can't send money to Iran. The people that are really paying the price for this are the Iranian people that live in Iran. I'm gonna stop on this one and move on, but all I'm saying to you is, the reality, this whole thing got started with Candace, and some of the people are saying, "Ma, Donald Trump, to amrikon nemichaim, baron kid Donald Trump is a con man, real estate agent, that is never gonna be welcome in America."

• 1:57:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You are lucky if you had a Donald Trump in America, in Iran. You would be lucky if you had Donald Trump in Iran. Somebody who has a backbone to fight. You'd be the luckiest people if you had Donald Trump in Iran. And I know, trust me, I know the lot of the Iranian leftists who are Mossadegh, and Madras Al-Shabab, he was a terrible man, and he's not his father, Reza Khan, and all this other, I get it. I get that community as well, that wanted to, you know, bring together all the Iranian liberal Hollywood leftists and, you know, go and do their own things, and they're gonna just strengthen the Hezbollahs. I understand that as well. I understand all the arguments. But the world will be a better place.

• 1:57:44Patrick Bet-David?

  If Iran was at peace, growing, open economy, law and order, the right constitution, people can dream, they can travel, they get along with their neighbors, the world will be a better place. And sometimes in life we're wrong.

• 1:58:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm very comfortable being wrong. I say this to my kids, to my wife, to the people I work with. You know, sometimes you think you have a decision that's going to be the right thing to do on long term and it ends up hurting a lot of different people. In this instance, the people that matter the most are the parents and the families that are living in Iran. Anyways, I just wanted to get that. Adam?

• 1:58:27Speaker 05

  Well, just number one, respect for you just putting how you feel out there. If there's anything you can say about PBD, he's going to let you know exactly how he feels. Like it or not, that's how PBD feels and we see that in private conversations as well as publicly. Just real quick, if I can put a rivet on this whole conversation, because it started with Candace. And it went to this conversation about Shahrazad Palavi. But to use your analogy, you called it being on tilt, right? You know, there's another term about don't throw good money after bad money. And if you see what's happening in Iran right now, this is why I think that the Iranian people in Iran have

• 1:59:04Speaker 05

  a matter of weeks to basically figure this out, is because how much money just went down the tubes? In terms of ROI and bad investments, when the Iran nuclear capabilities just went up in smoke? How much money? They're saying over a trillion dollars. So if you're a company and you're putting in seed capital, your private equity, and you're an angel investor, you say, all right, guys, we're going to have a good ROI. We want to get 10%, 20%, 50%. We're going to have a return on our investment. Iran just spent, how many years? Two decades, building up their nuclear capabilities, and it all just went up in smoke? And now what they're doing is essentially Doubling down on the threats and still talking trash and also still saying that they're

• 1:59:48Speaker 05

  gonna rebuild their nuclear program. They're saying no Starlink. What's the prison that they talk about in PBD where all the dissidents go to? This Evan prison or something?

• 1:59:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, by the way, you heard about what happened.

• 1:59:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's like purge of Evan prison. And so basically, all their money has basically been bombed and up in smoke and they're doubling down. So speaking of doubling down, just to kind of put this all together, Candace, when she's talking about, you know, certain critiques of Israel, you know, AIPAC has too much control. You know what? Maybe she's right. You know, I don't understand what we're doing. Maybe Bibi Netanyahu is maybe has a little too much influence over Congress. Well, maybe she's right. But where you run into a problem is where she is exactly right now. Like the poll about how Gen Z, a weird number support Iran versus Israel. Where you run into this problem is when there's a clear distinction of what's

• 2:00:43Speaker 05

  right and wrong. So for example, I don't know, Israel Palestinians, I don't know who's right, who's wrong. When it comes to Israel and Iran, there's no debate here. There's one that says they love America, the ones that says death to America. You know, you see all over the internet now, there's this song, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. Have you heard this? You guys heard this song?

• 2:01:05Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 2:01:06Speaker 05

  So they keep saying, like the Beach Boys song, like from Barbara Ann?

• 2:01:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Got it.

• 2:01:11Speaker 05

  Bomb Iran. All right. Do you think that's a new song? They made, you know, want to know when they made that song? In 1980, during the hostage crisis, under Jimmy Carter. Was it not under PBD, under Carter?

• 2:01:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:01:24Speaker 05

  So this is all coming back full circle to recognize Iran is America's enemy. And whether you like Israel or not, they're America's ally. So when you have 22% of Gen Z that thinks Iran is a better friend to America than Israel versus 41%, what the hell are we doing? But here's my biggest problem. Gen Z, Iran, favor Iran 22%, Israel 41%, unsure 37%. I'm not mad at the people that love Iran. I'm not upset when people love Israel. You live in America and you're unsure?

• 2:02:01Speaker 05

  Who's our ally and who's our enemy? Israel and Iran? This is why I'm not joking when I say that Gen Z needs re-education camps. Because they're ending up hating in America. And then you have a guy like Zohran Mamdani become the mayor of New York City.

• 2:02:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's a bizarre world right now. Here's what's great about time. Okay? Here's what's great about time. Time reveals everything. Okay? Yesterday, we're talking, and this is a question for everybody to be thinking about. How long do you think you can be manipulated? One day? One month? Who's capable of being manipulated? 100% of us are all capable of being manipulated. But maybe for a day. Maybe for a month. You're in a relationship. "I would never do anything with him. We just went to Vegas because he's my best friend. I even think he's gay." You go to Vegas six times in six months, and you eventually realize the dude is not gay.

• 2:03:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But you eventually figure it out. Manipulated for a month, six months, a year, five years, 10 years. Some people even manipulate it for 50, 60 years. The feminist movement, there's a lot of 70-year-olds in the world that don't have any kids, never been married, because they bought into the feminist movement.

• 2:03:17Speaker 05

  And regret it.

• 2:03:17Patrick Bet-David?

  They're miserable today. And what's that, Tom?

• 2:03:19Speaker 05

  And regret it.

• 2:03:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And regret it, yeah. That's manipulation. So, everything that's going on today, time is gonna tell what part of it was right. Guy asked me a question this morning. "Well, let me tell you what's going on with Israel and all." And the reason why they don't like Bibi and all this. I said, "Listen, I get that. You have to also realize, dude, you don't walk on water. There's a lot of bad things that you guys did, the mistakes that you made that you can't claim you're the best intelligence and at the same time screwed up royally the way that you have. But at the same time, that doesn't mean all of it goes 100% against those guys." Anyways, by the way, when you're talking about the Evan Prison, I thought you were going in the direction where the Evan Prison's director, Hedaya Tolar Farzadi, fled the actual prison while the attacks were being made, because somebody called him, and he was like on the run.

• 2:04:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if you guys saw this one or not or not. Is that the one robbed the story? Yep. Yeah, so that's a whole different thing. We don't need to get into it, but this guy ran off because somebody told him about his sons and what's going on with that.

• 2:04:17Tom Ellsworth?

  I think it was Israel that called him.

• 2:04:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I thought that-

• 2:04:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Israel called him and said, "You have like 10 minutes to vacate the premises. We're gonna blow you up."

• 2:04:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, I thought that's the direction you were going. Vinny, I'm gonna come to a story that's yours. J.K. Rowling, okay? J.K. Rowling post this yesterday, okay? It got 210,000 likes. Here is Steven Ireland, who targeted me with endless abuse on here because I oppose the chemical castration of children and the removal of protected spaces for women and girls has just been sentenced to 30 years in jail for child rape. Watch this. First click on a tweet on the left, Rob, if you could. And by the way, J.K. Rowling wrote the book, uh, uh, uh, what do you call it?

• 2:04:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Harry Potter.

• 2:04:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Harry Potter, right? Okay, "How to Ruin a Legacy: Become a Turf." This is towards J.K. "Very disappointing, J.K. What happens when women enter menopause? What about women who had hysterectomies? Women who don't menstruate because of hormonal issues? Are they not women? Nothing you say stops trans women from being women." Now go to the next tweet. Right there, okay, watch this. Pride group founder jailed for rape of 12-year-old boy. "A man has been jailed for 24 years for raping an extremely vulnerable 12-year-old boy after the pair met on a dating app." This is just creepy at the highest level. Vinny, your thoughts on the story?

• 2:05:37Tom Ellsworth?

  I mean, I, I just, um, when are we gonna stop pretending? And I wanna say this from the beginning. If you're gay, I don't give a damn, okay? I have gay friends, we have gay people that work at our company, I have gay cousins, we love them, but this freaking community, the LGBT, Q plus A, all that stuff, when are we gonna stop pretending that there aren't some really sick, disgusting people in that community? This is just one example. I, I just go, gays for groom, bro. Like, it is unbelievable. I didn't, but I had a list. It was a ridiculous list of all the stuff that's happening, even this guy Alex-

• 2:06:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Rosen, they are catching like people in this community trying to meet up with 12 year olds, 10 year olds, 11 year olds, just this past weekend, it was the last day of the pride month. They had kids in Colorado, Rob, I think they blurred everybody's face, you could probably look it up, dancing on stripper poles, like it was a line of children and yes, the parents are effed up, you know, to hell with them too, but what, Rob, is this the one? What, what type of community is cool with underage boys and girls for that matter, stripping on stripper poles in front of adults?

• 2:06:58Tom Ellsworth?

  What community thinks it's cool for kids to go dress in drag and dance in front of a bunch of grown ass men who are sitting there staring at them? When are we gonna stop pretending that it's not a freaking problem? Okay, enough is enough and it's always the loudest voices. This dude's talking shit about J K Rowling, he just did what he did with a 12 year old. Okay, enough is enough, okay? Let's admit that this, the gay community is chilling. All this other shit, all this trans, all this, it's, it's making that type of behavior, okay? And the moment you say something, Pat, the moment you try to criticize,

• 2:07:41Tom Ellsworth?

  they blanket you with the, oh, you, you, you hate, you're homophobic. No, no, I'm not scared, not one gay person scares me like, oh, homophobic, that's horse shit. Okay, it's horse shit, all that trans shit, all that, I'm gender fluid. It gives them a pass to act like freaks, okay? And again, they always push that shit on your kids because everybody in that community doesn't procreate. Okay, since they can't have any kids, they're coming for your kids. That's how they multiply and I, I get pissed off with this shit because you guys know where I stand. It's the kids, Pat, whether it's the kids, you know, that are suffering in Iran or the kids that are suffering here, or the Epstein Island kids, or the kids at the border and the 350,000 missing,

• 2:08:25Tom Ellsworth?

  nobody gives a shit about them, okay? And if you say anything about this community- You're labeled as hating all of them. And I think that's a bullshit, weak argument. Okay, we have to start calling it out because that's, that's the attitude that we're seeing. A 12-year-old, that kid's life is absolutely ruined. And this isn't a small case. It's happening every single day. I see the shit on the news and they don't report it. And I'll go add one more thing here. I'm only going to call this guy 90% at fault. The other 10% is what the hell is a 12-year-old boy doing with a mobile phone and a dating app? Where are the parents? Or is this child in foster care without proper custodianship? What is going on with this 12-year-old boy who is actually on the dating app?

• 2:09:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Where he could be, you know, deceived and subject to the predatory activities and the false affinity and the false liking and things that go on there that they, when they talk about the way that they go after the kids is to befriend them and to make them feel like, oh, you're normal, no one else is here. What on earth is going on that this 12-year-old is here? This is why, parents, the first line of defense is you, parents. The first line of defense is know. You know, we get forced into, in the financial services industry, a lot of extra training, which is necessary, under a thing called KYC. Know, KYC, know your customer. And we take courses on it.

• 2:09:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I thought you were going to say.

• 2:09:54Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, it's, no, no, no, it's know your customer. And it's, and it's anti-money laundering and know your customer and training so people don't get deceived in financial fraud. And they show you all the ways it could happen. If parents are not out there finding out exactly what and how it can happen on phones and they are taking steps so that their child can be in contact with them at school, after school athletics, need a phone, need communication, need to do that. But you also need to be aware of what's on there and be that first line of defense. So I put 10% on the parents or the foster system or whoever was out here. Because people, and it may not be apparent, Adam is an amazing uncle to a nephew and

• 2:10:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I know for fact that they've had conversations about these kinds of things, about staying safe and who do you associate with and what do you do? The first line of defense is you.

• 2:10:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, that's 100% true on what happens. There's an old clip by a guy that was interviewed. I'm sure many of you have seen it if you watch the PBD podcast. If you're newer, maybe you haven't seen it. A pedophile is being interviewed. You know which one I'm talking about. Oh, this one bothers. Pedophile's being interviewed and he explains who his target is. And Rob, if you can pull this up. He shares exactly who his target is. And, and, and Rob, go ahead and play this clip here. I'm trying to go to the part where what he says. The lonely kids. Watch this.

• 2:11:13Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh.

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• 2:12:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Grooming.

• 2:12:21Tom Ellsworth?

  I would check out their family situation. I would check out their clothing to see how well they were, you know, financially. I would check out their social interaction with other kids. You know, when we were on the ballpark or on the gym floor, you know, I would make sure which ones I wanted to molest. I would give them special attention, congratulate them, talk to them when I know that I would never be allowed to talk to anybody else.

• 2:12:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Until this gets eight billion views, it's not enough.

• 2:12:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Aside from everybody, I would give them the attention that an official is not supposed to give anybody. And it made them feel like, wow, he's paying me attention.

• 2:13:10Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, it is a direct form of grooming.

• 2:13:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Were there certain characteristics that you looked for in children before molesting them?

• 2:13:18Tom Ellsworth?

  In children, yes, but more I also looked at their families. If I thought the father was a threat, I would not approach the child. If I thought that the child had friends that he would tell, I would not approach him.

• 2:13:37Tom Ellsworth?

  If I thought the child had friends that were in the same capacity he was, I would approach him. For the simple fact that if I could molest him, I could lure him into believing, grooming him into believing that he would enjoy it. And therefore, I could manipulate him into having his other friends come and be molested by me as well.

• 2:14:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know how many parents I've shared this video with? Not enough.

• 2:14:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Look at this couch. What the hell is it? What's the, what's the pattern? Cigars on your...

• 2:14:10Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you know how old this interview is, Rob? Can you find when this interview was? What's the guy's name? He was 12 years in prison, molesting children in the 80s. By the way, this is a very old interview. This is not a new interview, like it happened last week. This is a very, very old interview, what happened with him. But he's sharing his insights on what happened, and people have to pay attention to it. You know, it's, it's interesting. I'm gonna go to this next one for you to think about. Some companies thought it was good to jump on a bandwagon of LGBTQ because they thought the market really wanted it. And when you think about Jaguar, what do you think about? You think about it, high-end car. Jaguar's a sick car.

• 2:14:43Speaker 05

  British car that leaks oil.

• 2:14:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So watch what the market said about their ad. Rob, you can play this ad. We don't have to watch the whole thing because we don't want to disturb the audience. But you can play a little bit for them to see it. And, and go ahead, play the clip. Watch this, folks. This is the ad that Jaguar did, thinking you're gonna go buy Jaguar.

• 2:14:59Speaker 05

  Parental discretion is advised.

• 2:15:01Patrick Bet-David?

  No, literally, they did this ad, thinking, they approved it. They didn't do it, a marketing company did it. But they did this with the intention of thinking it would cause you to go wanna buy. Look at this.

• 2:15:11Tom Ellsworth?

  And wait for the car, Pat. You ready for this? Guys, just wait for the vehicle. Ready for Jaguar's newest vehicle? Ready? Here it comes.

• 2:15:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, and.

• 2:15:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No car.

• 2:15:22Tom Ellsworth?

  No car, just a rock.

• 2:15:24Patrick Bet-David?

  No, seriously. So you see this?

• 2:15:26Speaker 05

  I thought a rock was a country.

• 2:15:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Jaguar sales, Rob, do you have a video clip on what it says it did or no?

• 2:15:32Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't, that was just that video.

• 2:15:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you. Jaguar sales collapses 97% in Europe amid controversial rebrand and EV translation. This is the Economic Times. British luxury carmaker Jaguar experienced a 97.5% sales collapse in Europe with only 49 vehicles registered for sale in April of 2025 compared to 1961 last year. Okay, the previous year, and a 75.1% year-to-date drop of 2,665 cars sold from January to April following a controversial rebrand launch in November 2020. The rebrand part of Jaguar Land Rover's shift is fully electric ultra-luxury brand by 2025.

• 2:16:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Featured andronomous models, you know, slogans like "Copy Nothing" and "Live Vivid", and a claw-like logo drawing criticism from Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who stated abandoning its core identity. The rebrand minimalist campaign aimed at a younger, diverse audience coincided with Jaguar's this continuing most internal combustion models, leaving a product gap as its new EV, including a $200,000 four-door GT2 late 2025, is not yet available. Competing automakers like BMW, Audi, and EV sales rise by 32.4% and 50.4% respectively in the same quarter, while Jaguar, liking new models since 2023, has left showrooms nearly empty, empty. Vinny, your thoughts on this?

• 2:17:00Tom Ellsworth?

  I mean, like, when we talk about California and how they picked their leadership, when we talk about New York and how you guys are not getting it and not adjusting and shifting, this is the same thing that happened with Jaguar. As if, guys, as if they didn't get the biggest case study in the history of trying to push this LGBTQ shit down somebody's throat with Bud Light. How much money did Bud Light lose having Dylan Mulvaney, a dude, still with his testicles and all of his man parts, pretending to be a woman, telling grown men, telling Americans, you guys know the dynamic who drinks Bud Light, it's Shane Gillis and it's all those guys. Telling, pushing that to have them drink beer and use that, and they lost how many trillion, Rob?

• 2:17:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Because of Dylan Mulvaney, they lost 1.4 billion dollars, okay? Dana White and now Shane Gillis.

• 2:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, that's sales, market value, they lost 27 billion.

• 2:17:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, I'm sorry, the company lost 27 billion dollars because of one decision. And I remember the marketing girl who was sitting there, she had a freaking rainbow behind her, okay? When are people going to get it? Guys, when I was drinking and making stupid decisions and everything, thank God, I adjusted. I shifted gears and I pray for people that are going through it, that you could find it out and figure out, why am I making these horrible decisions? Why is everything falling apart in my life? Oh, it's the drinking, okay? Let me, with the help of my friends and family and Pat and Adam, all you guys, let me adjust. Let me go to church, let me go talk to people that have been through it. I don't understand, Tom, and maybe you could help me.

• 2:18:39Tom Ellsworth?

  All these people that are just clinging to this small minority group that is not only doing the stuff that we saw with the 12-year-old boy, when it comes to companies, still bowing down to the small freaking group as if it's going to work. We just saw, and it's an old one, a Jaguar commercial that didn't show me the car. Show me the car at the beginning. Have all those freaking psychos inside of it, but show me the car. They're still clinging on to it. I'm so happy that we're kind of, you know, especially during Trump, with the military and Pete Hexeth and everything, that it's kind of dwindling away, but the small group, that small minority, is still hanging on. And as a business, I don't understand it, but good for you. Good for you, you deserve everything that you're gonna get if you keep hanging on to the stupid image

• 2:19:24Tom Ellsworth?

  and the stupid-ass ideology that you think that that little group is gonna save your cars. Bullpoo.

• 2:19:31Speaker 05

  I got something for you. Well said. When the minority speaks for the majority, you get consequences. And these are business consequences here. This is a minority attempting to push its viewpoints on the majority and it backfiring spectacularly.

• 2:19:45Tom Ellsworth?

  I double checked and the Jaguar USA website has no reference to the new logo or or the the things that are in this ad. They they basically said, turn that thing off. And and it went back to the old. I saw it. It was the old Jaguar, the old logo, everything on the US website. And going to Bud Light, you had a marketing VP. Now, your job as a marketing VP is saying, hey, how can we get more, you know, middle aged moms to appreciate Bud Light because it has less calories? How can we appreciate more, get more people to appreciate our products? That's called market share expansion. That's called your job.

• 2:20:25Tom Ellsworth?

  However, when you sit there and you say, well, I think the the I think the market was just too fratty. And remember, that was a word she used, fratty. So I'm not saying allegedly, I'm saying you use the word fratty in a statement that many people, including me, found to be, you know, in terms of marketing, completely inept. And you determined that with Dylan Mulvaney, you would go out and chase this other market. But you basically imploded the presence you had with your existing market. That's what Jaguar did. They went to chase a new market and they imploded everything. Look, this has been going on in marketing and advertising for a while.

• 2:21:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Where in the in the echo chamber of marketing thought, which contains a lot of people and lifestyles that do not. Look, Madison Avenue Advertising, the people that are there are good at their jobs and they're great. But they also recognize that by and large, the lifestyle that's in the advertising, you know, industry is different from the core market, but they respect it. There are those who respect it and go out and market to get mass adoption. In other words, do your job for the company. Others believe it that they now have an opportunity to be political activists under the banner. So the irony, capitalism gave them their foundation and their stage to go state their case.

• 2:21:46Tom Ellsworth?

  And people voted, no. And I like to know the 3% in England had actually bought the Jaguar. You're gonna stick out. Yeah, big time. But that's it. Capitalism was working. And then they use the stage that capitalism gave them for Bud Light and Jaguar of decades of success. And they went out there and say, on the stage of capitalism, I'm changing it. Until, guess what? They got the middle finger from the consumer.

• 2:22:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, your thoughts before we wrap up?

• 2:22:15Speaker 05

  Sure. So, you know, everyone has a base. Any politician has a base, any company has a base. You know, Trump has the MAGA base. Bernie Sanders has the progressive base. Who is the base of Jaguar? You may ask. So it's British luxury. I feel like it's like Sean Connery 007 James Bond style. And it's just been completely hijacked by the LGBTQ rainbow mafia. So there's symbolism here. There's a metaphor here. Anytime I hear the word London, it's almost like it's Canada. London's fallen. I'll tell you, like London Bridge is falling down, the song we all knew as kids. Anyone I talk to that was in Canada, Canada is just a mess. It's fallen. London, London's a mess. It's fallen.

• 2:22:59Speaker 05

  So does it, does it surprise you that the number one luxury car in the UK, in London, has gone the way of the LGBTQ mafia? So you know, you know, they say know your audience or don't abandon your audience. You ever seen the stat of the Fortune 500 companies that are no longer?

• 2:23:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:23:18Speaker 05

  In the Fortune 500? I think since 1980, only 10% of the Fortune 500 companies that were in it then are still in it now. Why are they no longer there? It's because they failed to maybe innovate? They didn't recognize change soon enough? Or some of them just didn't avoid catastrophic mistakes? This is a catastrophic mistake by Jaguar. And it might lead to bankruptcy. It might lead to being insolvent. You know, and if you think that's not going to happen to you, I started my financial career when Lehman Brothers, when Bear Stern, some of the biggest financial institutions in the world are no longer with us. So there's no guarantee that your company is going to be here tomorrow.

• 2:24:01Speaker 05

  And Jaguar unfortunately might be the latest example of a massive company that goes the way of the dinosaur.

• 2:24:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And those are good points that both, all three of you made.

• 2:24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Capitalism is very honest. If you forget the customer, they have plenty of other places to go to. Very simple, especially your loyal customers. They have many, many options. And going back to everybody, we appreciate you guys that you watch. I just got the strangest text right now that maybe I'll talk about on the next podcast. Very weird text message that Scott right now. Jen's texting me, I just showed it to you. I'll talk to Rob. But I'll talk to you guys about it next on Thursday when we do the live podcast. Gang, a couple of things again, remember merch. Fourth of July, sporty gear. First 50 that place the order over $400 will be FaceTiming you. Everybody else, go get a Future Looks Bright hat, shirt, gear, family, friends, best friends.

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