Why are the Rich so Timid; 930 Slant-nose; NSX for SALE?

During an interview with a car collector, Matt Farah asked them "Why don't you off-road your seven-figure rally car?" It led us to an interesting discussion. Plus, the NSX is going up for sale, and Zack Klapman talks about his week driving a 1974 Porsche turbo converted into a slant-nose . Patreon questions include: Do we like performance SUVs? Why did the Eclipse fail? Is the NSX lore justified? Are convertibles lighter than hardtops? How to sell your lightly-modified car Crazy trade: 991 Turbo for Lancia Delta Integrale Evo? 997 vs Mach 1 vs GT350 Would a manual swap improve the C63? Will the Tremec DCT fit in my Miata? How to approach someone bc of their cool watch And more! Recorded November 14, 2025 Show Notes: DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com slash TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Car Gurus Buy or sell your next car today with CarGurus at cargurus.com. Go to cargurus dot com to make sure your big deal is the best deal. Hello Fresh Go to HelloFresh.com/smokingtire10fm now to Get 10 Free Meals + a Free breakfast for Life! One per box with active subscription. Free meals applied as discount on first box, new subscribers only, varies by plan. Hydrow Head over to Hydrow.com and use code TIRE to save up to $600 off on Hydrow rower during this holiday season. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:29Matt Farah?

  the NSX, based on the miles versus capitalism equation. I've just been talking to a bunch of collectors for an article, so we go further into that topic. Zach has had a go in a very cool Slant Nose 911, and we have some fabulous topics from our patrons. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go!

• 1:54Matt Farah?

  Are you sore today?

• 1:56Speaker 01

  I'm sore and I'm so tired.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  You are?

• 1:58Speaker 01

  I had to get up like 6:30 to take Sarah to the airport. So I have not caught up on sleep. But yes, I am sore.

• 2:04Matt Farah?

  I was amazed at how sore I was when I was home, when I got home. And then how fine I was today. So that's pretty good.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Day three hamstrings.

• 2:16Matt Farah?

  Day three.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  The problem with hamstring work is that they finally stop hurting on day three. And you're like two days away from having to do legs again.

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  I know. Well, my trainer just went to Japan for 10 days.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  That is helpful.

• 2:28Matt Farah?

  I have no, I'm so spoiled. No trainer for 10 days and I'm home all of those days.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Don't you write down like, or I guess you don't because he tells you what to do.

• 2:37Matt Farah?

  No, like he also like left me like a, like, and I, it's not about that. I'm not, I'm not paying for that. I know what to do. It's the, it's accountability.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  I'm like, I'm exchanging money for my own accountability.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Totally get it. I would do it. I would totally do it.

• 2:54Matt Farah?

  It's probably, outside of cars, it's probably the most like luxurious thing in my life is trainer.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Sarah, she's like, what would you buy if you won the lottery? And I thought about it and I went, I would go to Red Bull's physical therapy building that surely exists somewhere and I would be like, please fix my spine. Like I'll spend all the money in the world here. Yeah.

• 3:18Matt Farah?

  Zach and I just got back from a little trip and we had, we went, well, for reasons that will become incredibly clear soon. We went to Zion National Park, which was quite lovely. Great fucking, perfect time of year. It was gorgeous. Fall colors, bright sun, but I was slightly underdressed in the morning. It was a little chilly. It was a little cold up there, but.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  I sold Matt my beanie for a thousand dollars.

• 3:47Matt Farah?

  But it was, you know, we drove a very long way to take a, to take a, I don't know, reasonably challenging hike. And, you know, to go from long car to hike to car is not good for one's body.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:01Matt Farah?

  So generally frowned upon doing things like that. And yet here we are.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  We did it.

• 4:07Matt Farah?

  So soreness achieved, but better, better today. Nice to see you all. So many fun things to talk about. Not really. There's a few. There are a few.

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  The fun, the, the, okay, there's a couple of things. One is, remember how when we talked a couple of episodes ago when I was driving the 918 about like what a bummer it is that,

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  that, that most people that can, that can earn enough money to buy a 918, won't put miles on it because when it comes to car enthusiasm, enthusiasm like, car enthusiasm is great until capitalism can beat it. If you're, if you're a capitalist, like hardcore, like if you, you know, if you're, if you're a money-making machine and you've got million-dollar cars, it, you, you can't, the mentality of the value of the car going down is too powerful, even more powerful than the, the dream of the little kid who would daily drive that car.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  It's, I, I think the feeling of loss in a human is like a psychologically hard thing to handle. Even if it's just my car that was worth 700 grand is now 678.

• 5:21Matt Farah?

  So what's funny is, is that it happens at scale.

• 5:28Matt Farah?

  At like a, like an entry-level scale, right? Like the, I, I think the most entry-level partial, I, the reason I bring it up is because I just came from a, from an interview I did with a big-time car collector. More money than you got. You know him, Jack. He's a, he's a friend of ours. He's a friend of ours.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Not a friend of theirs.

• 5:49Matt Farah?

  And he's a man of incredible taste, okay? There's no arguing this dude buys dope, interesting shit, deeply interesting shit. Not a surface-level collector at all. And he's got a lot of stuff that's incredibly unique and the amount of money that he just told me he spends just keeping his shit going is crazy, crazy. But this is what, this is what he's into and he can afford it, fine. He, I, I took the time to poke into, he has a,

• 6:25Matt Farah?

  I'll fucking say what it is. He's got a, that Uwe Gimbalas Marzian thing. That off, it's a, it's a, it's like a, it's like a, the fucking, if the 911 Dakar was Bruce Banner, this is the Hulk. It's based on a 911 Turbo, uh, but it's a big, it's a, it's an off-road 911. Look at this fucking thing. Yes. Oh, this is Gimbalas kid. Not Uwe Gimbalas. What's the, Uwe was the guy who died. It's the kid Gimbalas, whatever the son's name.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Now, does this not look, didn't Singer make a Dakari thing and they got, they had to take Porsche off it? This was, looks a little bit like it.

• 7:03Matt Farah?

  It looks similar. This one's a little more like spaceship-y almost. It's not, I feel bad, I said Uwe Gimbalas. It's definitely not, it's, it's his kid. I can't remember the kid.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Is it Mark?

• 7:15Matt Farah?

  Mark. Yes, sorry. Mark Philip Gimbalas, does that sound right, maybe? Yeah.

• 7:22Matt Farah?

  Anyway, uh, it's, it's an off-road thing.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  It's, it's very expensive. They're not making a lot of them. I was poking around it. It seems very nicely made. It's a manual transmission. It's like a shitload of horsepower. You know, it's, so it's based on the, it's based on the 911 Turbo S.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  And then it's taken from there.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  So it's, so it's not carbon, it's metal, cause it's made from a Turbo S?

• 7:44Matt Farah?

  I believe the body is full carbon.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 7:47Matt Farah?

  Except for maybe the doors.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Right, but the unibody, it's not like a roof where the unibody.

• 7:51Matt Farah?

  No, no, it's not like a roof. It's there, it's, it's, it's a coach-built and Dakarized.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Turbo S.

• 7:57Matt Farah?

  Turbo S, effectively, with a manual gearbox.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 8:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, I mean, look, this thing, this is, and I, you know, how does it drive? It's amazing, you know, I was like, dude, let's fuck, let's go out.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:09Matt Farah?

  And rip this thing. And even he, he said, I can't do it. It's too valuable. I go, hey, guy's name, fuckhead, cause he's our age.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:21Matt Farah?

  I go, I mean, he's, he's a little older than us, but he's not much older than us.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:24Matt Farah?

  And I could, I could talk to, he's, you know, he's not that rich. I could talk to him. I go, what are you doing? And he goes, it's too valuable. I can't do it.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  But what's the point?

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  And I go, I go, you can, you can afford it. Like, you literally can afford it. And he's like, it's not about, and he, he said, he said it back to me. He goes, it's not a Ford. It's a state of mind. It's too valuable to, he, this, by the way, this guy's daily is a Dakar. So it's not like, like he's, and he said, I'll go beat the balls off the Dakar.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Will he though?

• 8:54Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Okay. And that, and I say that, if you're listening, with respect because he might not be a off-road, go-fast rally person.

• 9:03Matt Farah?

  He also isn't that person.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Which I think is, is a skill someone learns either by doing it like an idiot when we did in our twenties.

• 9:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  And then continuing, or you go to rally school, you get a taste for it in your, in adulthood, and then you go keep doing it.

• 9:15Matt Farah?

  Sure. But I'm, I don't know, and I don't know if he ever actually will do it. But like, he basically said that mentally he could, whereas in this, because it's valuable, and it's, you know, A, it's, it was so expensive, and B, it's worth apparently a lot more than he, that, you know, he's turned down whatever, so multiple.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  So it's already gone up?

• 9:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  So, did you ask him, like, why did he buy it?

• 9:41Matt Farah?

  I didn't get that deep into it.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:43Matt Farah?

  I, I, I was really...

• 9:45Speaker 01

  I know you were focused on a different topic.

• 9:47Matt Farah?

  I was there for a different reason.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:49Matt Farah?

  And I had a limited amount of time.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:50Matt Farah?

  But I just, I bring it up now.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:53Matt Farah?

  And I mean, if, if, if, if the audience really finds it that interesting to figure out why somebody who dreamed of maybe something, and now has it, might not use it for the thing that it's meant for. Like, dude, just look at any fucking boomer and their C5 Corvette, dude. You know what I'm saying?

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 10:12Matt Farah?

  Like, look at any, that, that was, that's where I was going with this, was the other level. This, these are the extremes. The 918 is like, close to the top, but not as a, we're now talking about a guy, and by the way, he goes, he goes, "It's funny that you were driving the 918 last week." We're back at the collector's garage now. "It's funny you're driving that." He goes, "I just bought one with 13,000 miles. Because I would like to put a few thousand miles on it, and have it not go down in value." And I was like, "I think that's pretty smart." But like, also, it could go down in value. Like, you can afford for it to go down in value. The amount of cash burn you have to just keep this fucking whole show going.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:54Matt Farah?

  Is...

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Right, it's a very good point.

• 10:56Matt Farah?

  Is money that you're not, you know, getting back. And I, I, um, so, and, and I'm not... Like this has, this isn't to shit on this dude. Like, I mean, I just, I think he accurately. The thing, the thing that I thought about at a certain level with the nine eighteen. This guy who could buy a fucking hundred and fifty nine eighteen's if he wanted.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 11:20Matt Farah?

  Can't mentally get past, there is a level where he can't use the thing for the thing.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:26Matt Farah?

  It's a higher level, right?

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:28Matt Farah?

  Like maybe someone like you or me, like if you got, if, if you got all of a sudden a bunch of money, like you might buy, I don't know. A Ferrari three sixty and daily it like Venonatra or something like that, right?

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  Like, but you, but you, you know, so there's a scale where it all happens.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  I wonder, uh, if for him and other people that have, you know, earned the money to get to that. Like if every decision they made from when they were sixteen to forty. Has been so focused on optimizing, building their, like, everything they did was optimize, build, don't like cut loss, duh, duh, duh, duh. And it's just like, it's in their DNA, it's their muscle memory now, and they go, I can't, I can't turn that off when I'm thinking of my cars. I'm thinking of it the same way I thought of my business, which is just a bummer.

• 12:10Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, because, because the way people justify buying cars to themselves is that it's an asset. That I'm not spending the money, I'm parking the money, I'm gonna get it back, it's a good investment, they're going up, honey, you know?

• 12:24Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 12:25Matt Farah?

  Um, whatever you have to tell yourself. And I'm not better than that at all, by the way.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  No, of course, you bought a lot of cars, timed them well.

• 12:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, and some of them, and, and, and the ones that I've had the most fun with. Were the, were the ones that had miles on them and some fucking English on them and they weren't so pristine.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 12:46Matt Farah?

  I'm about to, yeah, I guess I can say it, why the fuck not? I'm about to list my NSX, uh, at auction because it's, it's just, it's too nice to fucking use as a car, it's driving me nuts. Can't do it. It's my, but I'm thinking about it, I'm there, I'm doing the thing where I like. I'd be careful how I get in it because I don't want to wrinkle the seat and I don't, and I, I don't want to do any of that. It's gotta go, can't do it.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  You, you haven't driven it that much, is it, so a question about this.

• 13:15Matt Farah?

  I bought it in twenty twenty-three.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 13:18Matt Farah?

  Right, twenty twenty-three? Yeah, I bought it in twenty twenty-three, summer of twenty-three. And I, I've driven it, uh, thirty-one hundred miles.

• 13:27Matt Farah?

  Not that much, but like not nothing.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Is it, is it too nice of a, of a version of NSX? Or is it like something else where you, it's, there's six cars is too many and you need five? Or something like that?

• 13:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I thought that car was gonna be a car that I could like use kind of like an everyday or car cause it's easy and all the controls are light and everything. But then like, miles are kind of expensive on really low mile NSXs. And when I, when I got to like hit 20,000 miles and I was like, oh, and now is like, the difference between one with 20,000 and 25,000 or 20,000 and 30,000 is a substantial difference. Whereas in a way that one that has 60,000 and 65,000 is virtually no difference. Right? So just with that car and it's also like pristine and it's also, you know, it's just, uh, and also I have too many cars.

• 14:25Matt Farah?

  Uh, and the thing that, that car was supposed to be, the run around town car, that's the fucking max.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:30Matt Farah?

  All day, every day.

• 14:33Matt Farah?

  All day.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Plus, when you have press cars, when you have press cars, like if you were, if you, if all you did was own this parking garage and didn't get press cars, maybe you'd cycle through the six more often.

• 14:42Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  But when you add those in, you're like, well, I have to drive this.

• 14:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  And which ones get chosen, you know, top of the list, bottom of the list.

• 14:48Matt Farah?

  Don't have time.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, you know, uh, uh, our, our, our friend with, with all the cars,

• 14:57Matt Farah?

  part of the reason I chose him to interview for this story, which is a story about people that have big collections, um, and the nuts and bolts of the big collections, um, are, uh, uh, is that he has a full-time mechanic and a full-time collection manager. What's that like? You know, so, so anyway.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 15:18Matt Farah?

  But yeah, it just, it was, it, it had me thinking that it had, it, there's no scale that it doesn't happen. Now, it doesn't mean there couldn't be.

• 15:28Matt Farah?

  You know, a car, the rare car collector that truly doesn't give a fuck. It happens, you know, the guy who was like camping in his Ferrari F40 or whatever.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, Brian, something like that, yeah.

• 15:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Great follow.

• 15:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, you know, there's, there's, there's people out there that don't give a fuck and like, God bless them. You know, maybe they've like, maybe it's like royalty money, or maybe it's like hockey stick, uh, profit curve tech money where they got the fucking money so fast, they can't spend it fast enough, so whatever. Whatever it is, like, there's ways around it, but like, in your, in your kind of like, old school capitalist view of car collecting, it always beats the enthusiasm, I think, or 90% of the time it does.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  But I, but I think you, you hit on a good point though, where if someone, if it's a boomer, whatever, anybody who saved a lot of money, for, a lot of money to them for a long time to buy like the thing, they had a thing on, a poster on the wall, and they were like, for 30 years, I've been thinking about this vet, and now I have one. For them to go out and drive the shit out of it, is probably really rare psychologically, because most people are like, this is a precious thing.

• 16:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  I worked really hard, and I just like driving around, but I'm not gonna beat on it, or I'm not gonna risk it, because I'm gonna risk hurting this thing that I've loved for 30 years.

• 16:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  So maybe it happens even at this high, high scale.

• 16:41Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  So.

• 16:42Matt Farah?

  It's a tough, it's, it's tough, because the cars are usually a lot tougher than you think they are. You know, and, and as long as you don't literally break it, the next person just sees the number on the odometer and the fucking service records, you know what I mean? As long as you're not, like, literally abusing it to the point of breaking, um, engineers put in a lot of effort to like.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:07Matt Farah?

  Like, nothing would go wrong if you drove your own car like we drive press cars, like, nothing, they'd be fine.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 21:09Speaker 01

  What's weird is with cars like the Gambala, you know, like Porsche Corvette.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Some of the, I don't know, less expensive cars, whatever. Like they've made their name by being durable and winning races and doing endurance stuff. And people go, oh, you can buy used ones and they're still really strong. But these really, really expensive one-off, five-off builds. Like, you know, their marketing videos, like, look what it can do.

• 21:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  But if no one does that with them, then that legacy, you know, kind of, it's all based on marketing. It kind of fizzles. It doesn't have that endurance.

• 21:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, like that's part of why Porsche sports cars are so, have become such a thing now. Because for the last 15 years, there's been all of this, both from within Porsche and from the outside. All this media of like people doing shit with their Porsches on top of racing. Like whatever, triple zero, type 7, Luft, whatever the fuck, air, water, like.

• 22:07Matt Farah?

  You know, there's, it's just, there's, you, you see them out, out doing the thing all the time, yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  The number of times we're in the canyons during the week, weekend, and you see Porsche groups go by.

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  I mean, it's gotta be 10 to 1 versus Ferrari groups, or any other, any other make besides BMW.

• 22:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they're not all super expensive. You'll see like, a group that's all like 996 and two generations back boxers. Like, that's, that happens too.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  Shout out to the motoring club.

• 22:37Matt Farah?

  But, uh, yeah, anyway, just, it got me thinking. What do you think is, where's the lowest?

• 22:44Matt Farah?

  What's the, I can't think of anything cheaper than like, basically Corvettes, where people would buy them, and keep them that precious, for so little money.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Oh, the GNX? Remember tho, that documentary? I think,

• 22:59Speaker 01

  I bet, I bet there's Volkswagen folks, like Beetle folks, Carmen Ghia folks. You know, I don't know what the entry price is. I think there's probably a price floor of like, a $20,000 car. You know, maybe below that, maybe people, it'll be precious to them, because they bought and they love it, but they won't preserve it.

• 23:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Because it's just, below that price, you're not gonna get something that's cool and in that pristine condition.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  Right. It won't be that pristine to begin with.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:25Matt Farah?

  This happens a lot when people are buying brand new cars. You know, when you have the funds to be buying, you know, fine cars, brand new, that happens a lot. Or if you're buying them used like new, like for instance, you, you're fortunate enough where you could find a Testarossa with 300 miles on it, or something. You mean, an 80's one, you know, something like that, like, and, and,

• 23:50Matt Farah?

  I've fallen, I've now fallen into the, the low mileage trap twice. I don't wanna say it hasn't served me well, I'll probably turn a profit on the NSX, unlike the BMW M3, but like, And then I've enjoyed driving it. I'm not saying I haven't enjoyed driving it, but it's, I feel, and you know, I talked about it with Spike, NSX is a two-year experience.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 24:13Matt Farah?

  Once you, once you drive it a few times, you go, okay, I get this. I get why people like it. I get it's nice. But like, the other thing in NSX does is like, go 300,000 miles. So if you're not gonna do that.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:25Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  It's a really comfortable car for that. Like, I love them as GT cars. But around town, like, the shifter's perfect, but the steering's not.

• 24:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Ergonomics are okay, even at my height and size and stuff, like, the seats kinda lean back. And you go, oh, I understand why we have the car, the supercars we have today because of this thing, but this was still a step.

• 24:44Matt Farah?

  It's a great car to own if you don't also own a GT4 or a Boxer Spider.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 24:50Matt Farah?

  If you, if you have a Boxer Spider, you can draw a straight line from this now better.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, almost any mid-engine car from the last 18 years.

• 25:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Is, is better than the NSX and is an evolution of it.

• 25:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was fun for a bit to have the 328 and the NSX and the Boxer at the same time, because you could draw a line right through those cars.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  Just mid as fuck.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  There's a shirt.

• 25:18Matt Farah?

  So, that would be a good shirt. So mid. That would be a good shirt. Hey!

• 25:24Speaker 01

  We got one.

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  Copy right, we got one. Sometimes we think in T-shirt. I'm just gonna write that down.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:29Matt Farah?

  Just in case.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  I'll remember, for sure.

• 25:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  My brain's fantastic at that.

• 25:35Matt Farah?

  Oops. I put a new cartridge in my fountain pen today. This is my, since I've had this pen, it's been about, I would say, six months, since I've had this particular Lammy Safari in aluminum. I'm on my third cartridge.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 25:49Matt Farah?

  Which makes me very happy. And actually, I've found a fucking really good use for these pens. The fountain pens are like, different colors. So, I use a black one at home, a blue one at the office, and a green one on the road. And so I can now go back and look and go and just in case I care ever, where did I write those notes from?

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Are the notes also, well, if you're at the office and you write notes about press cars and work stuff?

• 26:19Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Is it all in the same color?

• 26:21Matt Farah?

  See, a smarter person would use the color theory in order to identify

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Subjects.

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  Almost like one does on a computer.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Right, like highlighter.

• 26:31Matt Farah?

  I do it for sheer novelty of where was I when I wrote that? Cause like I keep wanting, yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  This is, I like, this is like, uh.

• 26:39Matt Farah?

  I don't wanna carry, I wanna carry no pens.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:43Matt Farah?

  I want there to be a pen where I'm at. I don't wanna carry three pens. That's the wrong solution to this problem.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  You, you've taken, um, like the location services on an iPhone where you take a picture? You've made that as manual as it gets.

• 26:58Matt Farah?

  Most analog shit ever.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  It's analog as hell.

• 27:00Matt Farah?

  It's a fucking fountain pen.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's not, it's, it's not even, you're not writing the location. You're just doing a certain color. That's cool though.

• 27:07Matt Farah?

  Totally.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  It's gonna organize your memories. So, you know, in 30 years, you can look through these and go, oh, I wrote this in Spain.

• 27:13Matt Farah?

  I am now, I'm proficient enough in the process of notebooking that I do not feel, the only way my notebooking process can be improved from here, I feel is almost impossible, which is to actually have a notebook that's made with the columns and shit in it that I actually need.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  It's gonna happen. I would, I'll bet you whatever you want.

• 27:37Matt Farah?

  I've searched for this for a long time.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  I know.

• 27:40Matt Farah?

  I've tried the bullshit AI.

• 27:44Matt Farah?

  My confidence in AI is completely lost based on the search results for this particular thing alone. It has, it has given me weeks. Chat GPT has given me, and I talk about my, my East Coast programmer team.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:59Matt Farah?

  Mike and Brandon, they, they're my go-to computer people. They're high, high up executives in computer shit. They're my, all my go-to. Even they, nope. There were no prompts that resulted in.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Oh, and trying to find.

• 28:12Matt Farah?

  Finding if any company actually makes another, the note, kind of notebook.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  But does any other companies that will make a custom notebook?

• 28:20Matt Farah?

  They will not make custom pages.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 28:23Matt Farah?

  They'll make all kind of custom colors. You can, you all, you basically cannot get.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  I think this will happen one day.

• 28:29Matt Farah?

  So one day that would be great.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:31Matt Farah?

  And if anyone really does know. Custom page notebooks, they cannot be, repeat after me, folks, into your fucking chat GPT shit. They cannot be spiral bound.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:43Matt Farah?

  You can get eight hundred fucking spiral bound notebooks, custom.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 28:49Matt Farah?

  No, has to be, look like a, like a moleskin style.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  It's gotta be bound.

• 28:53Matt Farah?

  Hardcover bound book.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  And that's, that's why where the challenge comes from, because some companies mass producing these pages and then another company buys them and binds them. Yeah.

• 29:01Matt Farah?

  Dude, I, I mean, and, and the amount, like, what sucks is, like, I would spend a good amount of money to order a hundred of them. And it would last me the rest of my life and you the rest of your life too.

• 29:16Matt Farah?

  But that's like, at a corporate level, that's like nothing.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:19Matt Farah?

  You know, you go to, you go to a custom book place and it's like, that's like the second smallest order you could get of even production level shit.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  But the, the pressure of making sure it's perfect, because then you know, you use the first one, you go, you know. If I, because I.

• 29:32Matt Farah?

  Exactly.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  That's how you would say it, you'd go, if I could change one thing, I go, well, we have ninety nine of these.

• 29:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So maybe I need to, I need someone to get, buy a blank one and then just hand draw each page, I'll just pay a little person and you know.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  They could do that.

• 29:49Matt Farah?

  Some, and do it on every single page.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Someone could do that in like a day.

• 29:54Matt Farah?

  On all, on three hundred pages? Yeah, they probably could actually.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  If you have a, if you, you know, if your parameters are specific, if they made a stencil.

• 30:00Matt Farah?

  If you just had a ruler and a, and a three colors fountain pens.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 30:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow, calling all calligraphers, I guess.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Or, or out of work architects or something.

• 30:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  They're good at lines.

• 30:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:14Matt Farah?

  Point of parliamentary procedure, someone asked a question on the last show about buying a Porsche Panamera with 14-way seats and putting in an 18-way seat.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:24Matt Farah?

  We said that would be a stupid thing to waste time and money on. Our in-house Porsche expert, Marco at TLG Auto, said you literally can't do it. It does not work.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, he said even if you plug in all the right wires, the programming and the harness in the computer will freak out. And he tried to do it with a GT3. He tried to put in the race buckets and take out the sports seats.

• 30:47Matt Farah?

  Well, that's actually the more practical information for our audience. If you want a GT3 with buckets, you've got to buy the car with buckets. You can't go, "Oh yeah, I'll just get a set of buckets on fucking, bring a trailer or something," because it won't work.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  You'll have airbag lights, according to him, and maybe more problems, I'm not sure. But basically, you can't do it.

• 31:06Matt Farah?

  But the reason I brought that up is because you got to just drive one of his cars, which is a, it's a Slant Nose 930. Is it a real Slant Nose?

• 31:18Speaker 01

  No, it was converted.

• 31:20Matt Farah?

  But it's a steel conversion, right? Not a fiberglass one. So in terms of how they drive, it's representative of what a steel Slant Nose 930 would drive like. Guys, got to take one more quick break because HelloFresh is coming in hot and fresh, and you've heard of them because I've been talking about them for like over a year now. They're the number one meal kit in America, making home cooking easier with chef-crafted recipes and fresh ingredients delivered straight to your door. But this fall, they're serving up even more to love because this isn't the HelloFresh you remember. It's bigger, with a menu double the size, 100 options each week, including seasonal dishes and recipes from around the world. Dig into bigger portions that'll keep everyone satisfied. They've got healthier options.

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• 36:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this is a 74 911, the second owner, when he took possession in 76, had it converted by a guy in LA. Well, actually, the guy's name is important. His name is Danny McLaughlin, and he built a bunch of racing bodywork for 935s back in the day. So he did high-quality stuff, but it also has a factory turbo, 930 turbo engine, transmission, suspension, and brakes. So it's like, it's not a factory Slantos turbo, but it has all of the underpinnings of one, and then the bodywork is pretty damn legit. And, you know, it's not made of just fiberglass. I think the front valence is fiberglass, but the fenders, the hood, and anything else that was put on it is steel.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, this was funny because I've said before on the show, like, I didn't like the Slantos. I think they look weird. And I still think from some angles, like the profile, the drop from the windshield is aggressive.

• 37:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  You can, you can see everything, but at certain angles, it looks rad. And I'm kind of starting to get it, like the front three-quarter or head-on with the fender flares. Like, it was a pretty fun thing. This color is, um, is it desert beige? It's pretty cool. And everybody loved this thing. I had a guy pull up next to me in a Panamera, roll his window down, and just start clapping on the highway. Young people were just like staring and giving thumbs up.

• 37:53Matt Farah?

  Well, it's the right period color, and it's, it, it, it's a very pretty car. Uh, Slantos is a little awkward to me. Uh, I do prefer a pontoon fender in a road-going 911. But, uh, the interior of this thing, this car is extremely cocaine. Um, this has got, it's got the supple leather and all these fucking extra weird bells and whistles in this thing. Seats are, or maybe just like late 80, late 80s seats.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Very comfortable thing.

• 38:26Matt Farah?

  Definitely not from a 74. You couldn't get those in 74. But, but whatever, they're fucking sweet power seats.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  There's just leather everywhere. And the leather is such, I mean, it's got, it just feels really high quality, because back then, there's probably like one kind of leather.

• 38:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  And now there's like blends, and there's this, you know, synthetic this, or I don't know, it just felt thicker. Felt more like baseball glove leather a little bit. It was really nice.

• 38:48Matt Farah?

  Now, why am I, I'm, now I'm questioning myself about that. What is the first year you could get the eight-way power seat in a 911? I, I feel like it was later than that. But maybe I'm a fucking idiot.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  This is it. This says it was offered from 85 to 94?

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  That sounds right. With the, starting with the Carrera through the 964. That's what that, that sounds more like.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  This is on Pelican parts?

• 39:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because my 87 Carrera came with, with the eight-way power seats. My safari car, that had power seats, that was in eighty seven. Okay, so yeah. They're not seventy four.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, eight-way adjustable and this person, this is Pelican parts for him, but it says eighty something. It was a nice addition. I mean, this thing, it was very comfortable. This would be a great car to drive like thousands of miles, except it's loud inside. And it's, it's like the sound deadening technology back then just, I guess, doesn't exist. I mean, it's the tire noise isn't crazy, but it's just air, tire, diff, trans, and it's not insulated with six hundred pounds of insulation. And so I was just, I drove, you know, from TLG down here, commuted around a little bit, drove back, and I just was on the four oh five at sixty five miles per hour going, it's pretty loud in here. You know, I mean, it's, there's just a lot more noise coming into the cabin.

• 40:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the only like really quiet nine eleven of that period was the nine five nine, which is not a, like they did so much to make it that way.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  It's really surprising.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, this is just how cars were back then.

• 40:27Matt Farah?

  Cool though.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  It was cool.

• 40:28Matt Farah?

  It's pretty.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  It was cool and fast. Just a good thing, as Thaddeus said, to, you know, drive from here to your vacation house in Santa Barbara. Like, that's, that's what it's for. I wouldn't want to track it canyon seven tenths, like, you know, the steering is light and very, uh, it's just like light, slower ratio, and then, you know, gearbox is like, there's a, not a stiffness to these things, but it, it feels like there's rubber holding onto the shaft as it moves. Do you know that, that sensation? Like you're going from two to three and it's like you're pushing through some rubber as you get there. You can't do like a fast throw.

• 41:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  And it's not difficult like a tremec. Oh, really?

• 41:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Ferraris, it's, it's a slow gear change.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a slow gear change, but man, it was, it was a cool thing and everybody loved it to see it.

• 41:17Matt Farah?

  Do you still, do you like air-cooled cars yet?

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I'm coming around. I'm coming around. I still think the argument of like the superiority versus water-cooled is something that I will probably argue for a very long time, but I think.

• 41:32Matt Farah?

  I mean, what if the superiority is that they don't boil the water? I, well, they don't overheat, I guess?

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, but if you have a good radiator and stuff like those don't overheat.

• 41:41Matt Farah?

  I, I will say that I have had in my old cars.

• 41:46Matt Farah?

  I always, every time I have an old car, I have a temperature issue of some kind. Usually it gets fixed and then it's fine, but like. I, uh, having owned old water cooled cars and an old air cooled car, it is really nice. To not to have one less gauge you have to monitor.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  Oh, you mean your old water cooled cars have had problems?

• 42:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the Countach, the, the Ferrari 328 have had, you know, occasionally an issue with either the, the radiator, there's a bubble in the cooling system. That's usually something simple like that. You have to, but the 328, I had to fucking burp the cooling system like once a week. And that's like normal, apparently, and that's annoying. So you should not have to do that.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  I think what I'm doing is I'm unfairly comparing Porsches from the oil, uh, yeah, I'm gonna say oil cooled era to the water cooled era. So there's also different generations, different technology.

• 42:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  If I was selecting sports cars from seventy seven, then I'd have a fair comparison.

• 42:44Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  But it won't surprise my argument.

• 42:45Matt Farah?

  Compared to seven, the shit that everyone else was doing in the seventies and eighties.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  The air cooled stuff is absolutely mechanically superior.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, then I will concede that.

• 42:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Cause people get mad, they go, I hate when we changed to water cooled. You're like, why? That's when I get confused.

• 43:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, that Porsche had, they had to do that eventually, but like, if you're talking about vintage shit, fucking, it's expensive to maintain, but it's very, it, it very headache free. Once you get it, you know, right? And you'd never, ever, ever have to worry about it actually overheating.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  I, I think, uh, I like air cooled cars because they're old and I like old cars.

• 43:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  But then when I drive, we, you know, I, I literally got out of this thing and then four days later, we drove this other car. And I went, oh yeah, modern steering ratios are really nice.

• 43:30Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Modern, uh, steering feel is better in a lot of ways.

• 43:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  So there's definitely things that modern cars do better, even from a subjective standpoint.

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  Should've had extra caffeine.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  Well, this might wake you up if you were to come into the business here and see this particular thing. Uh, this is a funny thing I wanted to show you.

• 43:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is a roll into the shop or mechanic advice?

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Uh, mechanic advice. Uh, is this normal? And here's what your.

• 43:55Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 43:57Matt Farah?

  Is that battery smoking?

• 43:58Speaker 01

  It's smoking or steaming, and from what I've read below, both are bad.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  Both are really bad.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this is like a battery charger in the waiting room that's charging two

• 44:07Matt Farah?

  In the lobby?

• 44:08Speaker 01

  In the lobby.

• 44:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, no.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  And there's a steam or smoke coming out of the edge of one of the batteries.

• 44:14Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:16Matt Farah?

  So we once pulled... We once had to pull out a battery from a very old car. And the battery was, I mean, it must have been from the 80s. Like, old. The car came, the car came in a flatbed, did not run. But we were, you know, asked to just try the most basic measures, you know, to get it to run. So we took the battery out, and when, when we pulled the battery up, like, the top came off Oh. The battery, like, and like, it like spilled like some acid, like, like actual at, like, in the, it was... And we're like, okay, um, you know, let's, we're, now it's, yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Now it's a problem.

• 44:59Matt Farah?

  Now it's a problem.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 45:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we had to go slightly hazmat.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  That's really bad.

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  That wasn't great. But yeah, if your battery is plugged into a, any kind of charging device, steam or smoke, equally problematic.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, the advice there was leave the room immediately.

• 45:17Matt Farah?

  We also once had a battery that we, um, was dead, and we tried to bring it back to life using the, the, the big battery booster, which does work sometimes, like, like, batteries, like, even when we keep them on tenders, batteries die every five or six years, even if they're on tenders. But like, so we tried to, we tried to at least, uh, we took the battery out of the car, like was in this video, but not fucking in the lobby. And, uh, we had it on a battery tender, and after about 15 minutes, we started to hear it bubbl. Like, it was a gur, a little gurgling sound.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 45:52Matt Farah?

  And it was an immediate unplug and put the fucking battery outside.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  You know, and we had to call, like, the special electronics, you know, disposal com, line. And said, hey, we have, we want to dispose this battery, but it's gurgling. And they were like, well, put it outside and leave it there for like 24 to 48 hours.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Before they come get it.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they said like, and like, if it, if it stops gurgling, you know, then, then it's fine. And you can just take it to like, you know, AutoZone or whatever. Or if it, if it's still gurgling, definitely call us back. I was like, okay.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  I've learned you can also, and this is like, if, like lithium ion batteries, if they're swelling or steaming, you take them outside and call the fire department because they have the technology to deal with it. And like, they're like, yeah, that's why you call us before it burns down a building.

• 46:40Matt Farah?

  Yep. Uh, but, uh, no, I saw this is, I, I get a newsletter. Do you get oligarch watch?

• 46:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 46:47Matt Farah?

  Do you get popular information?

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:49Matt Farah?

  So, popular information is like really important. It's like an accountability newsletter by a guy named Judd Legum. And then when fucking Elon Musk bought his way into the government, uh, they started a newsletter called Musk Watch, because he was like fire hosing information, actions and stuff that was like very consequential so fast it deserved its own newsletter.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, Joe Rogan asked them about all of that stuff when Elon was on the show recently.

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  And, uh, now they have, um, they've added another one, which is oligarch watch, which I really recommend. And it's just a roundup of like everything these technocrats are doing every day. And just, it's, it's not even opinion. It's just like, this person did this and like this person did this. And it's, uh, it's just a, a record of the actions of these folks.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Is it fun to read?

• 47:38Matt Farah?

  It's real fun.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 47:39Matt Farah?

  And so anyway, on the earnings call, uh, Elon Musk said that, uh, FSD drivers, uh, will soon be able to text and drive. Basically saying that's all people really want to do anyway. And so using the technology that we have, um, and, uh, you know, the driver, they, because they don't have, they're not camera monitoring, right? So it, you know, look away, no, no problem. And if you're on FSD, you're not supposed to use your, you don't need your hands anyway. So they're just basically going to let, release the permissions and let you text and drive. Um, this is illegal in forty-eight of fifty states and DC.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 48:20Matt Farah?

  And Puerto Rico.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, you get a ticket for it.

• 48:22Matt Farah?

  Like, it's literally, like, you, i-if you're using that, that's still an L2 system. You are in charge, you are driving, and like, people are gonna do it, but I'm just saying, like, he's basically just said, like, we're gonna let you do this thing in your car that's illegal.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Well, and I guess then there'll be the question of, I know the answer is no, but is Tesla gonna go to every state, demonstrate this new technology and show that someone could text and drive and do this? Or will he leave it to the consumer to have the discussion with the officer on the side of the road?

• 48:58Matt Farah?

  Well, there's a parallel. They're, they're pla- they're saying that they will have a functioning robo-taxi service.

• 49:08Matt Farah?

  And it's basically people in regular cars using FSD. It's not an actual robo-taxi service. They haven't fi- like, they have dri- there's people in there. Why are you looking at me like that?

• 49:22Speaker 01

  But is his robo-taxi service mean, you're the taxi driver? You drive your car, pick me up, and you use FSD, and that counts as a robo-taxi?

• 49:30Matt Farah?

  That's what they're doing, that's what they're doing now.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:32Matt Farah?

  In, like, Austin, and they're saying they're gonna expand this to other cities. But it's just a, a, a, a regular car with FSD, and there's a person using it, and they're calling that a robo-taxi, as opposed to Waymo, where there is no driver. And as of two days ago, Waymos can drive on freeways in LA.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 49:51Matt Farah?

  Waymos can now drive on freeways in, like, a couple major cities. I think Phoenix, San Francisco, LA, maybe one other one, maybe Austin.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  And there's, there's a big different, like, Waymo did a lot of testing, they still do it around here, where there's a driver in the dri- a person in the driver's seat. And, but they did it without customers.

• 50:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  To get the data and prove and da-da-da-da. But Tesla, again, is like, we need the money now, so we're gonna call it robo-taxi, but there's a driver, and then you get in the back.

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  The definition of robo-anything needs to be without human, doesn't it?

• 50:23Speaker 01

  We a hundred percent need to ride in one of those and film it and see how many corrections are made.

• 50:27Matt Farah?

  But like, also, like, he's saying that you're gonna text, you can text and drive in, with this system, which is a, man, that's just, I hate everything.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  I think every earnings call, it seems like there's always a hyperbolic statement to bring in, you know, more money, right?

• 50:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it's all bullshit, obviously, but it's... This one is, see, the thing is, like, this one isn't bullshit, or it doesn't have to be bullshit. Like, when he says, like, stupid shit, like, you see, he also said that you won't need, uh, you, the government could save money because they wouldn't need like a parole department, because basically if you did a crime, you would be assigned an optimist robot that would follow you around and make sure you didn't do crime.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Exactly. That was another very dumb thing he said recently to bring in more money, yeah.

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:18Matt Farah?

  An optimist robot that follows you around and makes sure you don't do crime. What?

• 51:26Speaker 01

  That's how you sell 350 million optimist robots.

• 51:29Matt Farah?

  What? What the fuck are you talking about?

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:32Matt Farah?

  Weirdo. None of that is a thing.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  So, let's see, so selling and maintaining robots would be cheaper than the parole department. And I'm sure that the entire US parole department is expensive. That's, those are humans.

• 51:45Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  But I think humans should probably keep an eye on criminals. More than just a robot that follows you around.

• 51:51Matt Farah?

  A surveillance state controlled by Elon Musk that watches the criminals.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:58Matt Farah?

  I'm just saying, that to him seems like a good idea.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  He's full, he's full of ideas, certainly. But yeah, this one...

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  You know what he should do? He should do an interview with Ross Dufat.

• 52:11Matt Farah?

  Um, and then also I saw this, do you see this morning that Stellantis is recalling two years' worth of 4xE Jeeps, 113,000 Jeeps? Because there was, uh, sand and debris got into the blocks during the casting process.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 52:30Matt Farah?

  And they all, they all have bad, bad engine blocks.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  But they had a, they had a recall for these a few years ago because of fire. The 4Xe is having trouble.

• 52:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it seems like maybe you shouldn't get one. But yeah, so this is the self-destructing turbo engine. I saw it on the drive. It's the bottom of this page here earlier today. It's yeah, it's Grand Cherokees. Remember, we drove the Grand Cherokee 4iE? That was rough.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Well, so they recalled 375,000 of them recently over fire risk. And I remember this.

• 53:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. Park it out, park it outside.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  They told them to park outside. And now they're recalling, I mean.

• 53:08Matt Farah?

  Were the batteries steaming?

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Uh, I think there's a risk of that.

• 53:11Matt Farah?

  They're steaming something.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  So now, but now self-destructing turbo 4. Sand contamination.

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  That's not great. And I know we're not, you know, there's a lot of recalls that happen across the industry.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Toyota, they just recalled more Tundras.

• 53:26Matt Farah?

  Turbo 6s.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  They recalled even more of them because it's like a manufacturing problem. I mean, it's not a foreign body like sand entering it, but it's causing a similar issue.

• 53:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:35Matt Farah?

  That's not great.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Building cars is hard, but man, the 4Xe has had a rough time.

• 53:41Matt Farah?

  That, remember the one we drove?

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:43Matt Farah?

  It was terrible.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  It was.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  And it was in theory working properly and it was really bad.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Well, there was a, the hybrid integration was weird. The way it would click on and off was weird. Then the transmission programming was strange. It was very like jerky and unrefined. And I, we were at the airport, we got in it, we drove for 12 minutes and I was like, the RAV4 hybrid does not do this.

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  The one that my wife drives every day is pretty seamless. And this thing, it was like surging a little bit and kicking on weird and more vibration. I mean, it was just a bad execution of that idea.

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  And it was not a particularly old and beat car. I mean, it wasn't brand new, but it was, it was fine.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:22Matt Farah?

  Weird, really weird. Wait, oh, just, I just thought of something, one other thing. And then it went out my brain the other way. Talking about recalls, talking about bullshit, I don't know. I don't know.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Did you see this funny definition of each Porsche video going around?

• 54:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, I did see that. That was pretty funny, the definition of each 911.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, very concise and funny.

• 54:44Matt Farah?

  That was very good.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, shout out Redline Raphael did a great job.

• 54:48Matt Farah?

  I never heard back from the. Angeles Death Highway guy.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 54:54Matt Farah?

  I I I I I forget if we talked about on the show, but I told him that I would consider paying for humans to animate his next thing.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Oh, that I mean, to do it of the level he did, it would cost a lot of money.

• 55:06Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't I don't know what it would cost. I mean, I have no idea. I mean, it doesn't and it doesn't necessarily have to be great. I mean, it's not like the animation was like that great on the AI one, but like. Um, I don't know. I said, I I I emailed him or I forget who emailed him, emailed me and, you know, whatever. And I said, like, you know, like, your writing is really funny.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:26Matt Farah?

  It's like, it sucks. I I just like, I'm against this fucking AI slop art.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 55:32Matt Farah?

  And he was like, yeah, I mean, I get it, but like, sort of what you're gonna do. And I was like, well. What am I gonna do? I was like, I don't know, maybe I'll fund some fucking human made art. So I said, finds find out what it costs to to get a sixty second thing made. You know?

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  And if it's like reasonable, I'll just pay for it.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  He could do, because the writing is always the most important thing, right? Because if the writing was bad, then it doesn't matter how cool it looks.

• 55:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  And also, if it's simple, like, there's plenty of cartoons that had crap animation.

• 56:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Um, we met a guy at Mission Man's first party, who's like a voiceover artist that's funding his own cartoon on YouTube. But you could do the same Angeles Death Highway jokes with like, simple line art comic animation, and it would be just as funny.

• 56:13Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying. Like, I I it might be crazy expensive. It might be not that expensive. I don't know.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 56:20Matt Farah?

  My guess is shitty animation is like.

• 56:26Matt Farah?

  Twenty five hundred a minute.

• 56:29Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I have no idea.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:31Matt Farah?

  And like, good animation is like fifty grand a minute.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:37Matt Farah?

  I'm not saying I'm necessarily willing to spend either of those amounts of money. I'm just saying that, like, I don't know, and that's my idiot's fucking guess.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  I got a, I was working on a show concept a couple of years ago and the quote for an animated trailer for it blew my mind in

• 56:54Matt Farah?

  So what are you talking about? Trailers 90 seconds?

• 56:56Speaker 01

  They showed me a trailer for a different show that was about a minute, two minutes long.

• 57:01Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  And it was black and white. And they said that that had cost $50,000 and I was like

• 57:07Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  How?

• 57:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  And it's just, I don't know the industry. So, and if people are listening, things have changed. Where I was, smoke was being blown up my ass or something, totally fair.

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  And I'm sure if you get animators in a different country, it's cheaper.

• 57:19Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  If you get them here, it's more expensive. But yeah, I was really shocked by that number. It'd be great, like, well, no, that would go back to AI. I was gonna say if you could

• 57:30Speaker 01

  I was about to be like, I just invented AI.

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  You just did the Silicon Valley thing.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  If only you could type a prompt and get a line art of a comic. And I was like, no, that's what it is.

• 57:38Matt Farah?

  That's AI.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, you needed to draw it and make it move.

• 57:42Matt Farah?

  Well, you, what you need is for people who make art to be able to have homes.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  Totally. I'm on board with that. Yeah.

• 57:48Matt Farah?

  So I, if that's a thing that I can meaningfully contribute to, cool.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  That would be cool.

• 57:55Matt Farah?

  That would be cool.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  You could produce a Instagram cartoon.

• 57:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Written by Angela's Death Highway.

• 58:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's a rad idea.

• 58:02Matt Farah?

  It could be funny.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 58:05Matt Farah?

  In between, right, right, right after we sell our Netflix game show that me, Zach, me and Zach and the guys from the Dollop got really drunk at my house and I made Benihana. And we came up with a game show that's actually kind of funny.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  I would say we hung out, two of the group got very drunk.

• 58:24Matt Farah?

  Which two?

• 58:24Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 58:25Matt Farah?

  Me and Gareth?

• 58:26Speaker 01

  You and Gareth.

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  Dawson, Dave was also pretty drunk.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  He was by the end, yeah. But we had an amazing time. They were super fun.

• 58:32Matt Farah?

  Me and Gareth were really drunk.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  You guys, it was midnight, you were still doing, you were opening new sake bottles and I was like, wow, I can't do that anymore. I just don't have it.

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  Gareth got to my house on foot, which

• 58:44Matt Farah?

  Is fucking weird like like is real that's strange to begin with I happen to be outside like shuffling a car into the driveway and I see a shadowy figure arriving to my house and carrying like bags it almost looks like a homeless person.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Very much so he had a backpack on that was stuffed to the gills and he had like a Trader Joe's canvas bag.

• 59:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Stuffed to the gill but that was stuffed with

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  Bottles of sake.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Seven bottles of sake.

• 59:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  So if you and holding a phone with a charging cable hanging from it because he's watching the Packers game. But if you saw him walk past your house like one of your neighbors, you would 100% think that that is someone who's looking for a place to sleep and get hammered for the night.

• 59:24Matt Farah?

  Yes, 100% and I I and he walked basically a mile.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  From the grocery store to my house with the do this tote bag of Trader Joe's with seven bottles of sake and it was so heavy this must have this bag must have weighed 25 pounds.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 59:43Matt Farah?

  And he was draped over his like uh his like forearm and it was it was dug so deep in his forearm it was fucking crazy I was like you're out of your mind dude.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  It has a handle but that hand was being used for the Packers game.

• 1:00:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so he was I mean he came to party he came to play and we did not we did not disappoint. Benny Hahn at home and all the sake and then we came up with a game show.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  And some other pretty funny ideas.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  And it was a good game show like and you know you guys were wasted I'd had like a few sake and Sarah my wife was there and she was basically sober and like you were Gareth like we heard you laughing over at one end of the table and then you just pitched her the show with the title and she was like that oh yeah you know she was waiting for it to be like this stupid drunk idea and she's like no that's that makes a lot of sense.

• 1:00:33Matt Farah?

  It's not bad.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  No, it's not bad at all.

• 1:00:35Matt Farah?

  You know like that this what we were doing at dinner was like not all that much different from an actual Hollywood writers room.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:00:43Matt Farah?

  I mean that's basically what what that is. Um that was a good time so maybe we'll have a game show out of it I don't know that would be awesome. Or we might go tour with the Dollop in foreign countries which would be they probably forgot about but I would definitely.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  We're not forgetting about it no yeah that would be so rad.

• 1:01:01Matt Farah?

  Fucking TST X Dollop Reykjavik let's go.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  If you if you listen to both shows tell them that you want that to happen.

• 1:01:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Matt Farah?

  Okay, the people. Let's go to the people. And the people are very important to us. We love you over at patreon.com/thesmogentirepodcast. Y'all's are the best. Ye keeps the ship afloat. You can, you can ask questions for the live show and then listen to them during the live show. You can get the show the day it's recorded. Instead of waiting to Tuesdays and Thursdays. You can get extra show every month. You can get ad free show. Your time is valuable. In fact, there's a literal price you can put on it and I believe it's $8 a month.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:44Matt Farah?

  And yeah, for $8 a month, you can save minutes. We should, how many? Well, you can, but like at $8 a month, we should see how many minutes of ads? There's, it's nine minutes a show, right?

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Of ad reads, probably.

• 1:01:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, nine minutes a show, so eighteen to thirty six. So yeah, if you make more than sixteen bucks an hour, this is actually profitable.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  That's a great point.

• 1:02:08Matt Farah?

  That is like, this is how rich people think. If you make more than sixteen bucks an hour, then getting to that level of Patreon and not having to have those ads, that is a profitable enterprise, my friends. So let's see what those folks have to say. Plus, if you come up with funny usernames, I'll read them. Gin and Teconic State Parkway says, well, for Zach, thoughts on performance variance of the Jeep Grand Cherokee? The original SRT8 all the way through the Trackhawk? I'm considering a regular SRT as my next do everything car. That's a 6.4 Hemi car.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  I mean, they're fun, but I don't, that's not what I want from an SUV. I mean, we drove that one years ago on that rally. And I remember we took it to the track in Colorado and I was, we were chasing CTSs and stuff. Like it was pretty quick and it's a fun amusement park ride. But you just lose so much in miles per gallon.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  The sporty suspension doesn't do anything for me. If I'm buying an SUV, I want it to be a do everything in terms of like off-road, comfortable, quiet, reasonably efficient. So I just don't think it makes much sense.

• 1:03:18Matt Farah?

  They don't do anything for me. I mean, it was, it was a fun press car and then I forgot about it immediately. Also, some of the worst fuel economy imaginable.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  14?

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  Don't, that's, 14 is a non-trackhawk. If you're talking about a trackhawk, it's single digits all fucking day. I don't know whether I'm the Boxer or the Jag. They say, "The first generation businessman builds the business, the second sustains it, and the third blunders it away." Is there a parallel in this generational trend? And why is it the Mitsubishi Eclipse? I mean, that's kind of funny, but like, sure.

• 1:03:58Matt Farah?

  Focus groups,

• 1:04:01Matt Farah?

  you know, efficiency regulations and things like that.

• 1:04:07Matt Farah?

  It's the crossover-ification of everything. I mean, but if you pick a beloved model of really any car, like let's, and you go a couple of generations down the road, it's usually kind of watered down, right? Isn't that why people like the originals of stuff? I mean, I guess it's like, it's like it's the, the, the, the original Countach, narrow body, Periscope-o, right? And then you got the, the wings, like mine. And then you got the anniversary, you know, same kind of, same kind of deal. I think you can, you can.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  I think there's a good parallels there for sure.

• 1:04:46Matt Farah?

  How about Mustangs? Right? 65, 65, 66, pretty fucking good.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  67 to 69, oh yeah, that's the shit. 73 to 75, the long schnoz.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:02Matt Farah?

  Holds up pretty good.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Well, then you came into like oil crisis stuff. So that's outside factors, but I think in the company, the Mitsubishi example is tough because the Eclipse is not a core thing to that company's business. Like the 911 is basically, is Porsche, right? So of course the sports car is going to be kept very consistent for the most part and be a high quality thing.

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  But the Eclipse, I mean Mitsubishi, like they make fucking airplanes and cranes and commuter cars and stuff and they made a sporty car, but I don't think it was. One of the pinnacles, or sorry, one of the pillars of the Mitsubishi brand. And so they were able to, they messed it up.

• 1:05:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  They didn't put as much care into it, I think.

• 1:05:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Under the cuff says, do you feel the lore of the NSX has been justified? Yeah, I think the NSX delivers on all the things it's supposed to deliver on. Or, I mean, but it's just a, it's a 30-year-old car at this point. So, more than that, 1990, yeah, 35-year-old, 35-year-old car.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:06:05Matt Farah?

  So, you know, compared to other 35-year-old cars, it's awesome. Compared to 2025 cars, maybe not so much.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:15Matt Farah?

  But it's a classic, so that's, that's, in context, they're fabulous.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:06:21Matt Farah?

  KJ, K E I Jettronic. That one's tough because when I read it out loud, it just sounds like the regular thing.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:27Matt Farah?

  But when it's written, it sounds very funny. Everybody wants a slick top, doesn't specify the model, because it saves weight on the top of the vehicle. But what is more slick top than a convertible? Well, that's, that's not how that works. I don't understand why convertibles don't get more love, especially as it relates to performance. All of the 80s, 90s cars people like to drive as a slick top are offered in manual convertible tops, so they were...

• 1:06:58Matt Farah?

  I'm not even going to read that last bit out loud because it's factually inaccurate.

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  Convertibles are not often lighter. The center of gravity might be lower because the top is cloth and with thin bits of metal, I guess, in those older cars, but there's often significant bracing that goes into the doors and all that stuff. And so, in almost, almost any example you could find...

• 1:07:29Matt Farah?

  The convertible variant of a car is gonna be heavier. Let's pick one. Let's just pick one. They say 80s, 90s people, pick a car, Zach. You wanna go Mustang?

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:07:39Matt Farah?

  SN95 Mustang GT? Curb weight, coupe and convertible. I bet you got about 300 pounds, 200, 300 pounds heavier for the convertible.

• 1:07:51Matt Farah?

  Center of mass being lower, that's, that's true, but I think the extra mass it does worse for the performance than the mass being lower, not to mention structural rigidity. Until you get to really high-end cars, eh, like carbon tub cars and stuff like that, the coupe is a more rigid structure. Okay, Zach's got some numbers.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  So this is from...

• 1:08:18Matt Farah?

  Oh wait, this is a 1995 Mustang specs. It's from, I don't know, some...

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  LMR.

• 1:08:23Matt Farah?

  LMR. I mean, these are pretty much known weights. I'm not, I don't, okay, here we go. Uh, V8 coupe, 3276. V8 convertible, 3452. Yeah, so it's an extra 100, 175, is that right? 175 pounds?

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  Alright, so a little less difference than I thought, actually. That's surprising. How about in the V6? The V6 coupe is 3065. Yeah, it's about the same. Same weight chains for the V6 and V8.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, so in, in that car, it's 175 pounds heavier. And I can tell you for fucking certain that a GT convertible Mustang of that era is not as rigid as a GT coupe. So that's why, now, I don't wanna shit on convertibles because there's a lot of value in convertibles, specifically because a lot of enthusiasts don't want them.

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  Convertible structures are a little flimsier than than coupe structures and the way that manifests itself is you can feel a little little chassis jiggle sometimes over like railroad ties or things like that.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  Basically twisting force.

• 1:09:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Because there's nothing on top binding the ends together. It's all bound down at the lower part.

• 1:09:42Matt Farah?

  Right, and so carbon tub cars solve that problem. The coupe and the convertible have the same rigidity. So that's at the very high end. And then at the medium high end, convertible 911s, like modern ones, like 991 and up, those feel tight. Convertible,

• 1:10:05Matt Farah?

  the 2+2 convertibles are the ones that rarely feel. When you got a backseat, bigger car, like even at the high end, I mean even if you get like a Bentley GT convertible, you can feel a little jiggle sometimes.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Just the amount of space that's open, you know, there's just a lot of room for it to twist.

• 1:10:21Matt Farah?

  But like, having said that, like if there's a difference in in cost and usually the enthusiasts keep the coupes higher. So if you wanted to get into a car, a convertible is a good way to do it at a lower price point, particularly 911. 911 convertibles are like fun as hell and not a lot of people love them. Can you zoom in on this?

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:43Matt Farah?

  Okay, Jerry was a race car buyer. Pretty good.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  That's a good name.

• 1:10:47Matt Farah?

  Getting ready to get rid of my F80 M3. I have a single mass flywheel and twin disc clutch as well as some carbon.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Chips.

• 1:10:57Matt Farah?

  Chips. Are those like the?

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  I think it's damaged to the roof because he says later he can get it repaired.

• 1:11:04Matt Farah?

  Okay, chips in the carbon. Is it worth my time to swap back to the stock clutch and get the carbon roof repaired to bring in more money? I'm worried the clutch feel and flywheel chatter will turn away some buyers. The OEM clutch setup is about 3K. I would DIY the install. Carbon roof repaired is about 1,500.

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  That's tough.

• 1:11:28Matt Farah?

  That is tough. So the question is.

• 1:11:32Matt Farah?

  I, I, so 3K. So this is just a math problem. You know, I think your car will be more popular with a stock clutch.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  Especially if it's a brand new one.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, if it's like literally a brand new stock clutch, like that's nice, that's good. Unless it's like 800 horsepower and will blow the stock clutch in the first third gear pull.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  But if you're selling one that's 800 horsepower, the market, the buyers know it's modified anyway. So then you wouldn't have to change the clutch.

• 1:12:03Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:12:07Matt Farah?

  Now, the question is, I don't know if it will raise the value by 3K. Like,

• 1:12:16Matt Farah?

  I, I probably would not do the roof. I'd probably leave the roof, assuming the wear and tear on the roof is commensurate with the rest of the car.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:27Matt Farah?

  If the rest of the car is like, is a really nice example, it's going to bring good money. Then I would do the clutch. If it's like, kind of a, not a beater, but like if it's high miles and track time and you're like the third owner or whatever, maybe not.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  I agree, and I think you'll probably have more trouble selling it in the normal avenues. Like, you're not going to get as many hits on, I don't know, like, well, Bring a Trailer maybe, but just putting it on CarMax, not CarMax, Facebook Marketplace. I think you're going to have to go to the people and you're going to have to like, put the car on forums where people track their cars and they know what the single mask flywheel's for. You have to, you know, go to the buyers that are informed on this and might want to do that to their own car or are planning to drive it the way you drove it. And then they might see it as a little bit more of a boon than someone who wants a stock car. And they're like, well, now I gotta take this shit off or I don't like how it feels. Or you gotta convince them that it's good. You don't want to have to do that.

• 1:13:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Jeremiah Dicklesworth III, "Am I crazy to want to trade in my 991 Turbo S for a Lancia Delta Integrale Evo? I have 10 cars. So this would not be a daily driver, but more of a North Carolina, Tennessee mountain toy. Tail the Dragon car."

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  It's pretty cool.

• 1:13:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Turbo S is not helping you on Tail the Dragon. That's, that's a lot of horsepower, a lot of weight. And, and, and those are some tight and technical canyons.

• 1:13:56Matt Farah?

  God, are they good fucking roads, though. So if you've never driven a Delta, they're really cool, but they're different. They, they have very like unique characteristics. They feel like the, the sort of grandfather of a Golf R and a Focus RS and stuff like that. But they have a weird kind of driving position because it's a fucking Italian car from the eighties. They're kind of tricky to maintain. I don't, I don't know where you would take one in your area. And if you can't fix it yourself, you might have an easier time servicing, you know, your, your Porsche or any Porsche than, than one of these things.

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  And it's, it's an old school transverse Haldex type all wheel drive system. And so it's mostly front wheel drive, but sometimes a little bit goes to the back and, or some goes to the back. It's, um.

• 1:14:57Matt Farah?

  It's a great attitude. It's a great look. They're fucking cool, but it's a, it's a 30 year old hatchback. And so it's gonna feel kind of slow and kind of weird and, and, uh. You know, you got 10 cars, so like, that's okay, but, um, and, and I could, you know, we've spent enough time in Turbo S's to know that you can, they could become normal cars like pretty quickly.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 1:15:22Matt Farah?

  It's not that they're not awesome and special, but like you, if you've got one of those and you drive it for a couple of months, like it's becomes just your car.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially on the roads there that are so tight, like you're not. You should get a 911T or something and with a shorter, like shorter rear gearing or, well, you can't really do that, but, um. If you want something more exciting, I get it. They're just.

• 1:15:42Matt Farah?

  That's a passion car. Like you have, if you look at it and you, you, you think it looks so amazing. You're not gonna hate it.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Matt Farah?

  Like, that's, that's, I think what that's really what they want. Like, if you see a photo of one, or you've seen a body, sat in one, and you go, "That, that looks, that looks like what I fucking need," you, you probably won't hate it. They're, they're quick, they're fun to drive, they make weird noises, they're just can be a little bit annoying to deal with.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Ron Zaris daily is his. I made, I saw him willing, I was like, "Oh, is that thing blowing up again?" He goes, like, he goes, "It did have a problem when I first bought it. I fixed it. I don't know if you need advice, DM him, he'll know who to go to." But he's like, "After that, I take it to the store, I take it to stuff." Like, he drives it a lot. So you gotta get it sorted out, which could be tricky, like you said, in that location. But once you do, it might be okay.

• 1:16:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, alternatively, you know, if you wanted to get weird, you could like, call up HPA, and get like, a nutty, you know, Volkswagen.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:16:40Matt Farah?

  You know, for, for a lot less than a Turbo S, you could, you can have him put you a fucking monster engine in a Golf R, and have the craziest little nutty sleeper down there.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  That's kind of the modern Delta Integra, yeah.

• 1:16:54Matt Farah?

  That could be a good, real good time. Yeah. Or may, or you know what, even like, I mean, again, this is a, this is a, this is a person who's passionate about this car, so it's, there's no practical thing, but like, it also makes me wanna have like, a really sick Honda.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:11Matt Farah?

  Like a sick hatch with all the suspension, and the right seats, and the perfect shifter, like, you know. Yeah. Flying monkey, can't fucking figure out a weekend car, all over the place, can't decide on anything. I'm looking at nine-nine-sixes and sevens, but the looks and sh- sounds of a Shelby 350 and a Mach 1, fifty or sixty grand, southern New England, no canyons, twisty backroads. Would I be nuts to consider a Mustang over a Porsche for backroad driving? Must have a backseat for the little one and three pedals. I mean, are you nuts to consider a Mustang or Porsche? No. You're not nuts. A Shelby 350 is rad.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:54Matt Farah?

  And a Mustang Mach 1 is rad.

• 1:17:58Matt Farah?

  And the backseat is a little bigger than a Porsche than a Porsche.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  And very slightly bigger than like, I was gonna say you could get in a Mira.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  That could be on the list, but I think the backseat of the Mustang is bigger.

• 1:18:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  I mean, are you nuts? No, not at all. The only difference I'd say is it is it is. The Mustangs will feel like much bigger cars. They're they're fucking big. And and not all the roads in New England are big. I mean, Mustang's not too big for New England roads by any means.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  The view out the front also makes them feel even bigger versus a Porsche.

• 1:18:37Matt Farah?

  So.

• 1:18:39Matt Farah?

  I mean. Fortunately, you know, you could try one of these and then the other. You might be able to fucking Turo.

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  A nine nine seven, possibly. You might be able to to to try some of these on Turo, possibly. Is there a Ford? No, no one's got any. They're they're running dark horses and all the Ford Experience stuff now.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Skip Barber's using the old Mustang.

• 1:19:07Matt Farah?

  They're using the old ones, yeah.

• 1:19:10Matt Farah?

  Dude, I I think. I don't think you would be nuts for back road driving. I think they the the the Mustangs will probably be cheaper to run, cheaper to service. Nine nine sixes are 25 years old now. Nine nine sevens are 20 years old. They're gonna have needs, even one, even if they're 50 grand, they're gonna have needs. My my physical therapist, who I'm going to see right after the show. You know, his, he had a little indie shop up here working on his C4S. He bought it for like 42 grand. He put another seven, eight into it. It just wasn't ever quite right. I had him take it to BBI, another 10. But now now it's right. Now the car is sorted, but like, turns out that first shop like didn't know so much.

• 1:19:55Matt Farah?

  And so now he's sorted, now he's good to go, but like. If you buy a Mustang Mach 1, like, that should be a turnkey experience. That's like a three year old Ford. You know, like that that shouldn't be it. That's a different, different thing. So, and and budget and long term maintenance budget, also not the same thing.

• 1:20:16Matt Farah?

  Belgian Spa Day bought an Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint for 25K. I think it would be a pretty good buy. Uh, is there another car for 25K that would be a better fun daily? Depends what you define as fun daily. I mean, if you live in the city, I might rather have a GTI. Smaller hatchbacks are good, but I, I, I feel like if we're, I feel like a lot of people who have bought 20, 20 and up Giulias liked them. 25 grand for a good looking sedan, assuming it's nice. That sounds like a pretty good deal. Uh, I wish I could say I was looking at $25,000 daily drivers for comparison, but I genuinely

• 1:20:59Matt Farah?

  don't know what that gets you in the current market. Maybe I shouldn't have read that question because I didn't have a good answer. I should try that first. Um, uh, listen and sometimes watched now that manual swapped C63s are a thing, assuming it's done well. Would that significantly improve how much fun it is? Yes, we have said this over and over about, not over and over, a few times about all early 2000s. Mercedes would be improved with manual gearbox, assuming it's done properly. Um, uh, okay.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  You probably have.

• 1:21:40Matt Farah?

  Okay, I have to go soon.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta go soon.

• 1:21:41Matt Farah?

  Three days of graceful racing. I'm doing an engine swap on an ND Miata. Tremec is doing a release of the transaxle from the GT500, which we talked about. I plan on making 500 wheel horsepower in this Miata. Would you keep it manual or would you swap over to the DCT? Money, no object, wiring, no problems.

• 1:22:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay. If you were building a 500-wheel horsepower Miata, would you want a manual or a DCT? I would want a manual.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  Uh, I would unless I'm racing it.

• 1:22:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  You know, if I'm doing... Yeah, even then, manual, because then you've basically made a tiny Japanese Cobra.

• 1:22:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  And it's gonna be fun.

• 1:22:25Matt Farah?

  I'd want the manual. I think it would be cool. I've seen that, um... I...I don't know if Tremec is the DC...is the... Because that's a transaxle, not a transmission. So like, if you're doing an engine swap, Miata uses a traditional transmission configuration, not a transaxle configuration. So like, wouldn't you use the BMW transmission DCT?

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  That's popping up in more places, yeah.

• 1:22:48Matt Farah?

  I'm seeing that being used. I saw some guy did a Mark III Supra with a BMW DCT. That's pretty slick.

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, I'm into that.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  That's very cool.

• 1:22:58Matt Farah?

  I don't want it...I don't want it for myself, like, cool, you know? So, but this...I don't...I don't think... I mean, uh... The question of would you want a DCT is legit, but I don't think that's the right gearbox for that.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Probably not. I think, because you could probably put a Tremec in the Mazda, but it's like the Tremec 6060, not this Tremec. This would...this could be the last one.

• 1:23:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, Rage Against the Touchscreens. When you're in a social setting, not car-related, and you don't know many people, how do you recommend approaching a stranger if you spot them wearing a high-end watch? Um, for example, "Hey, man, nice Patek" might be too forward, or maybe the person doesn't want...oh, can you scroll down a little bit? Maybe the person doesn't want attention to what's on their wrist. Uh, okay. Advice on watch enthusiast engagement without making it awkward in a group. This is an easy no-brainer. Every single person wearing an expensive watch wants you to notice it. Every single one. Otherwise, they wouldn't fucking do that.

• 1:23:57Matt Farah?

  There's no difference on your wrist between a $1,000 watch and a $200,000 watch most of the time. I'm not...this, they fit different and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, let's get fucking real. They all want you to notice. So...

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  Maybe they don't, okay, it doesn't mean you scream, "Hey, man, nice Patek," like across the room. But you go walk up to them and you go, "Hey, hey, bro." You fucking do the nudge, like, "Yo, man, I see that." You point at the wrist, "I see that, I know what that is." You know, you don't even, if you do know what it is, "Oh, is that a fucking, is that a 1542 B?" You know, and if it's like, if it's not some like, super baller watch, if it's a Speedmaster, or, "Oh, man, I mean, Speedy, blah, blah, blah," like, um, they all want you to say something. They all want you to notice. Trust me. If it's, the only people who might side-eye you is if they're literally wearing like a Submariner, because it's, that's just the thing they thought to buy and they're not real enthusiasts.

• 1:24:57Matt Farah?

  Like, that can hap- "Hey, man, this," and you're like, they're like, "Uh, whatever, man, I just like, got it." Like, that can happen. But if they're wearing an AP, or they're wearing some like, real shit, or a Grand Seiko, you see someone in a Grand Seiko, go talk to them. They'll talk your fucking ear off about that motherfucker. You know, like, uh, they want you to see. Like, just like, uh, don't like, "Hey, is that really 300 grand?"

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. No, if you want to talk to them, uh, not like, identify them, I think.

• 1:25:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you want to identify yourself as an enthusiast of this hobby. "Hey, man, is that, is that what I think it is? I've never seen one of those in person, you know, I seen that, saw that on a dinky, but I've never actually seen one. Wow, look at that, oh, cool. Oh, I've just got a, I mean, whatever here," and like, you're, it's, you're in the club, it's all good, yeah. Uh, thanks, everybody. We're gonna end this one, because I'm gonna go see my broke physical therapist.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  You know, it's funny you tell me this, because I've gotten, I've, I've, I've been there a couple of months, and I got a text from them a week ago that was like, "Hey, man, we'd love to get you in for some sessions."

• 1:25:59Matt Farah?

  Back in, yeah. He had, he's, I mean, between this and he bought a, an absolutely tragic Land Rover Discovery, he wanted to be Disco Guy, and he is not Disco Guy. Disco Guy is like, you're, you're like a fucking dirt, Disco's in for dirtbags, seriously. You have, because you have-

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  Who else has a Disco?

• 1:26:17Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, who else has a Disco?

• 1:26:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:21Matt Farah?

  Zip run? Like, yeah.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does sort of.

• 1:26:23Matt Farah?

  They're for dirtbags. And like, like, they, he, this is, he doesn't wrench on himself. You know what I mean? He's like, he doesn't know. It always feels broken. He, he had, he couldn't.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:26:35Matt Farah?

  He got rid of it. He got a fucking 2023 Tacoma.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:26:39Matt Farah?

  That's what he wants.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay.

• 1:26:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions. We love you. Thank you to everyone else for listening. We appreciate you just as much, but not really as much. And

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  yeah, and we'll see you guys next week. Bye.