One Year of IMO with Michelle and Craig

On today’s episode, Michelle and Craig celebrate the one year anniversary of IMO! From navigating relationships and dating with Taraji P Henson, to laugh-out-loud sibling dynamics with the Wayans, and one of the most controversial opinions to ever be shared on the show. The first year of IMO has brought us some truly unforgettable moments. Have a question you want answered? Write to us at imopod.com http://imopod.com. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:05Michelle Obama?

  This episode is brought to you by Shift.

• 0:11Michelle Obama?

  Hey, everyone. Our podcast IMO has officially reached its first anniversary. And this past year has been filled with so much fun and so many special moments. From heart to hearts with Taraji P. Henson, to the complexities of parent-child relationships with Bruce Springsteen, hilarious sibling stories with Damon and Marlon Wayans, and even a controversial opinion on ketchup from my husband. The first year of IMO has brought us some truly unforgettable moments. And while these conversations have given us the opportunity to connect with some of our favorite people and share our perspectives with each of you,

• 0:54Michelle Obama?

  what I love most about this show is I get to do it with my big brother Craig.

• 0:59Craig Robinson?

  Oh, you're sweet, Meech.

• 1:00Michelle Obama?

  I am.

• 1:02Craig Robinson?

  This year has been life-changing, and there's no one I would want to have these conversations with than you. To our IMO listeners, thank you for joining us on this journey. I can't wait for what year two of IMO will bring.

• 1:16Michelle Obama?

  And make sure you follow IMO wherever you get your podcasts so you can get new episodes as soon as they drop every Wednesday. We can't wait for you to tune in.

• 1:27Craig Robinson?

  And don't forget to subscribe to our newsletter for the latest updates at IMOPOD.com. We hope you enjoy this special bonus episode made up of some of our favorite moments from the first year of IMO.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  You know, it's funny is we didn't, I didn't go get my brothers when I got into this. I would get my sisters.

• 1:47Craig Robinson?

  Yeah.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  My sisters was vicious. Devon.

• 1:50Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  Devon, one time this kid Baldy Joe was beating me up, and he was like a 16-year-old kid. And my sister had cornrows, she was about 250 pounds. She said, "Come here." And she grabbed him by his arms like this. And she said, "Marlon, punch him in the face." I was like, "Devon, he gonna beat me." She said, "If you don't punch him, I'm gonna punch you." I was like, "Bow." And, you know, my sisters always, always had my back in that.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  I didn't get my brother because I saw Keenan get beat up.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  Not like badly. Like so Keenan used to walk around in Kung Fu slippers. Like he, he watched, he went through this Bruce Lee and Jim Killian phase. And he loved, he had nunchucks. He would have like, and he was really good. He would kick the ceiling. And then one day he got into a fight with this dude Bobby Boyd in the, in the building, in the lobby of the building. And Keenan, you know, everybody's like, oh snap. Cause he was going through the karate, oh. And then Keenan went to take off his shirt.

• 2:50Michelle Obama?

  Oh man.

• 2:52Speaker 03

  And the dude snatched him.

• 2:53Michelle Obama?

  No.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  But like with his shirt up over his head and just pummeled him. And like Keenan was on the floor.

• 3:00Michelle Obama?

  Oh no.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  And there was like blood, sleep, semen through his shirt. And I'm like, get up, Keenan used your nunchucks.

• 3:07Michelle Obama?

  And get up, you can do it.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  You can do it.

• 3:09Michelle Obama?

  Untangle your arms from your shirt.

• 3:13Michelle Obama?

  Oh no.

• 3:14Craig Robinson?

  This guy you looked up.

• 3:16Michelle Obama?

  Don't make it.

• 3:17Craig Robinson?

  If you do, make sure you take your shirt off.

• 3:20Michelle Obama?

  Really? It's like, oh man, that Bruce Lee didn't warn him about that. Don't lock yourself up in your shirt, you know? Oh man.

• 3:28Craig Robinson?

  Bruce Lee didn't wear pullovers.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:34Michelle Obama?

  You know, when I hear you talk about the, the, the practice, what I'll call the practice of no. Cause you're, you're absolutely right. Um, and I know that everyone struggles with disappointing people with trying to set boundaries. But I particularly relate to, you know, what you were saying about it takes you a while before you, you know, uh, maybe as a woman, as a black woman, where we feel comfortable saying no. And I was sitting here thinking, well, why is that? And why was that for me? Because this is something that I am working on right now. Um, you know, I, I, but like you, I have believed in therapy my whole life. You know, done a couple of therapy with my husband.

• 4:19Michelle Obama?

  Both my girls are, they believe in therapy, this generation. Thankfully, I think our children are way more open to it. Um, they understand the importance of self-help and all of that. Um, I also sort of realized that, you know,

• 4:37Michelle Obama?

  Even Michelle Obama, I am still trying to tell myself that I am doing enough. Right? Because there's always that feeling. I think we practice that striving because in order to be successful, I always felt like I had to be smarter, faster, work harder because somebody was gonna doubt me. Somebody was already telling me why I couldn't do something before they knew me or I even tried. So you get in the, and I don't think this is unique to just women of color. I don't think it's just unique to men. But when you get in that habit of that constant striving and constant proving that,

• 5:20Michelle Obama?

  you know, it's enough, it makes us overachievers, but you don't ever turn that off. And at 60, I was still, I had to convince myself that I had done enough. After all that I had done in the world, I still felt a guilt, right? Struggling with like deep guilt that maybe, maybe I needed to do a little bit more. So I'm at this stage in life where I have to define my life on my terms for the first time. So what are those terms? And going to therapy, just to work all that out, like what happened that eight years? That we were in the White House?

• 6:04Michelle Obama?

  What did that do to me?

• 6:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:06Michelle Obama?

  Internally, my soul, we made it through, we got out alive. I hope we made the country proud. My girls, thank God, are whole. But what happened to me?

• 6:16Speaker 04

  Right.

• 6:16Michelle Obama?

  Right?

• 6:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 6:18Michelle Obama?

  And going through therapy, you know, is getting me to look at the fact that, yeah, maybe, maybe finally I'm good enough. And unlearning some of those messages that I've been saying to myself and then trying to actively practice something different to rewire those neurons in my head that make me keep pushing and keep striving. And so practicing no in a very different way intentionally. But then this is what makes it hard because, you know, my decision to skip the inauguration, you know, what people don't realize, or my decision to make choices at the beginning of this year

• 7:03Michelle Obama?

  that suited me were met with such ridicule and criticism. Like, people couldn't believe that I was saying no for any other reason, that they had to assume that my marriage was falling apart.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 7:15Michelle Obama?

  You know? It's like, while I'm here really trying to own my life and intentionally practice making the choice that was right for me. And it took everything in my power to not do the thing that was right or that was, was that, that was perceived as right, but do the thing that was right for me. That was a hard thing for me to do. I had to basically trick myself out of it. And it started with not having anything to wear. I mean, I had affirmatively, because I'm always prepared for any funeral, anything. I have, I walk around with the right dress. I travel with clothes just in case something pops off.

• 7:58Michelle Obama?

  So I was like, if I'm not going to do this thing, I gotta tell my team, I don't even want to have a dress ready.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:05Michelle Obama?

  Right? Because it's so easy to just say, let me do the right thing.

• 8:11Speaker 04

  But then you become a shock absorber.

• 8:13Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  And that's what women are.

• 8:15Michelle Obama?

  Yeah. The shock absorbers. Yeah. And that's exhausting. And it's not healthy.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:20Michelle Obama?

  It is not healthy. You've had to be shock absorbers for your husband, for your children, for your mom, for your family, your loved ones, because of where you were sitting in the public eye. That's not fair to you. When do you ever get to live for you? I applaud you. I am, I'm happy that you are taking care of yourself in the way that you need to.

• 8:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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• 12:01Speaker 02

  In my opinion, and this is controversial in my family, you should not eat ketchup after the age of eight.

• 12:14Craig Robinson?

  Is that all condiments or just ketchup?

• 12:16Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 12:17Michelle Obama?

  I think you've gone down in age on that one. You know, I think every time you say it, you make it younger and younger. And pretty soon, it'll be like a four-year-old.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  And I'm hoping we don't have a ketchup sponsor on this show.

• 12:29Craig Robinson?

  Well, we won't now.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  I have nothing.

• 12:35Michelle Obama?

  And we here at IMO have nothing against ketchup.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  I have, I have nothing against kids having ketchup. Ketchup on their burgers, ketchup for their fries, even.

• 12:47Speaker 05

  Even which is hard for me to watch ketchup on hot dogs. But at a certain point.

• 12:54Michelle Obama?

  But why so young?

• 12:55Speaker 05

  You gotta kind of grow it.

• 12:56Michelle Obama?

  Why you cutting the people off of ketchup so young dude? That's the, that's what we, that's what we take issue with in our household.

• 13:04Speaker 05

  I might be a little too draconian.

• 13:07Michelle Obama?

  I think that's the word draconian.

• 13:10Speaker 05

  I think.

• 13:11Michelle Obama?

  My gosh.

• 13:12Speaker 05

  I'm trying to describe a general point of view, which is ketchup is, has its place. But.

• 13:19Michelle Obama?

  You should grow out of it.

• 13:20Craig Robinson?

  Like you're saying ketchup is childish.

• 13:22Speaker 05

  Nah, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, is that when I see a grown person. Pouring a lot of ketchup on something.

• 13:30Michelle Obama?

  Is it the amount of ketchup? Is it just ketchup at all?

• 13:33Craig Robinson?

  Ketchup or even if you have a dollop of ketchup?

• 13:36Speaker 05

  I told you this was controversial in my family.

• 13:38Craig Robinson?

  I see.

• 13:39Speaker 05

  But I, I figured.

• 13:40Craig Robinson?

  That's a good one.

• 13:41Speaker 05

  I'm coming in here hot.

• 13:42Michelle Obama?

  Well, and now you know that in addition to like clicking my teeth along this straw to get on your nerves. I just have a dollop of ketchup.

• 13:51Craig Robinson?

  Ketchup, right?

• 13:52Michelle Obama?

  At every meal, just to be like.

• 13:54Craig Robinson?

  That, that explains a lot because there's always ketchup at your house.

• 13:58Michelle Obama?

  Yes.

• 13:59Craig Robinson?

  So it's not like.

• 14:00Michelle Obama?

  We're battling against the man.

• 14:02Craig Robinson?

  It's not forbidden.

• 14:03Michelle Obama?

  We are trying to live our lives with ketchup. Freedom for ketchup. He's the only one.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Everybody else is fine with ketchup. In fact, the girls have all these complicated, oh, you mix it with this.

• 14:15Craig Robinson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 05

  All kinds of dipping sauces.

• 14:17Michelle Obama?

  He's had no impact.

• 14:18Craig Robinson?

  In our house too.

• 14:19Michelle Obama?

  There's no, there's no, no one's following his lead.

• 14:22Craig Robinson?

  Okay, okay. That was, that's a tough one though.

• 14:24Michelle Obama?

  It's never worked. It's, it's harsh.

• 14:27Craig Robinson?

  It is, it's hard.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  It might have been overly harsh.

• 14:30Craig Robinson?

  I mean, I, I know.

• 14:31Michelle Obama?

  But every time he says it, the age goes down.

• 14:34Craig Robinson?

  Your mother is all like ketchup.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  I used to.

• 14:36Michelle Obama?

  Everybody likes ketchup.

• 14:38Speaker 05

  I used to say it was like 14.

• 14:40Michelle Obama?

  It's like now we're at 18. We've got it down to 18. I'm just thinking that the older children, like that's all they, they don't even want. The ketchup is the actual, it's the medium to get, it's the delivery system. Now you're just, you know, just taking it. But we appreciate your opinion.

• 14:58Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 14:59Michelle Obama?

  I want to get back to, because one thing I didn't ask about, you were emancipated at 13.

• 15:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, I've read that.

• 15:07Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, if you read that about yourself, tell us more about, it's not often that, you know.

• 15:14Speaker 06

  And at 13.

• 15:16Michelle Obama?

  And what led to that? Did you just walk out the door? Did you just say, hey, okay, thank you, everyone? I'm gonna take all my books and I'm on my own.

• 15:28Speaker 06

  I don't know how to put this without sounding facetious, but if you came from a Bible-reading, believing family.

• 15:37Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 15:37Speaker 06

  Then you already knew I was finna do what Jesus did. Okay.

• 15:43Michelle Obama?

  Bounce.

• 15:44Speaker 06

  Okay. Now go find your temple to turn over tables. Like, this is, this is the life of a Christian revolutionary. I gotta tell you, way ahead of me, because even if I wanted to leave at 13, I wouldn't have had the nerve to do it, nor the wherewithal that I could do it. It was a terrible idea. Okay, alright, here we go. I don't talk about it because I don't want any young person to hear that and think that it's possible that they could pull it off.

• 16:16Michelle Obama?

  Hearing that it's terrible is useful.

• 16:19Speaker 06

  But it wasn't. I just say that. It wasn't terrible?

• 16:23Michelle Obama?

  Oh, okay.

• 16:24Speaker 06

  No, of course not. I'm the adventurer in this story. Are you kidding me?

• 16:30Speaker 06

  Okay. Want me now, sir?

• 16:33Speaker 06

  I'm grown. Got a mustache and a cigarette. I'm 12. You're welcome. That was my life.

• 16:39Michelle Obama?

  I'm picturing a little cat. Did you have the stick in your goods and a little her chief?

• 16:45Speaker 06

  No.

• 16:46Michelle Obama?

  Did you walk out with a suitcase?

• 16:47Speaker 06

  I had a full suitcase and a Rottweiler puppy.

• 16:50Michelle Obama?

  You left with a dog?

• 16:51Speaker 06

  Destined for failure.

• 16:54Michelle Obama?

  It's like, and of dependence.

• 16:56Speaker 06

  I'm taking a responsibility.

• 16:57Michelle Obama?

  Exactly. It's like, man, and I'll take this puppy. So where'd you go? Where was the first place you and your puppy, Rottweiler puppy, went when you left your house?

• 17:06Speaker 06

  Miami, Florida.

• 17:07Michelle Obama?

  You went to a whole nother state?

• 17:10Speaker 06

  That was always the thing.

• 17:11Michelle Obama?

  How'd you get to Miami?

• 17:13Speaker 06

  I went to a truck stop.

• 17:15Michelle Obama?

  Oh, the best place? To go. Wow.

• 17:18Speaker 06

  Because everybody's going out of here.

• 17:20Michelle Obama?

  Mm hmm.

• 17:21Speaker 06

  And so then I checked license plates because I was looking for a warm destination. And I was hoping for LA or California, but Miami presented itself. And the guy let me and the Rottweiler puppy get in the back part.

• 17:38Michelle Obama?

  Wow.

• 17:39Speaker 06

  Of the empty truck and he would stop every once in a while.

• 17:43Michelle Obama?

  Did you have any money? Well, would, would, how did you feed the Rottweiler?

• 17:46Speaker 06

  I was loaded. I must have had $1,200 and you could not have told me that I was not a young million.

• 17:55Michelle Obama?

  Did you really have $1,200? How did you get all this money?

• 17:58Speaker 06

  So the only thing I was allowed to do, I was allowed to cut grass in the summer. And I was allowed to shovel snow in the winter. So I probably had 60 clients on each end.

• 18:11Michelle Obama?

  Okay, you were an entrepreneur.

• 18:13Speaker 06

  I own the lawnmower and the shovels.

• 18:16Michelle Obama?

  Wow.

• 18:17Speaker 06

  And so me having money just gave me the ability to not have to wear the clothes that my parents wanted me to wear to school. I could wear that out, go change, get into something fly and presentable for school. And then, like, I was living multiple lives, but the money made it possible for me to have that freedom. And I learned that pretty early on.

• 18:42Michelle Obama?

  What was your alter ego with your money when you went to school? Were you one way at home because you were dressing different? And then you took your lawnmower money and went to school in your whatever? What, who were you?

• 18:57Speaker 06

  I had a relationship with the candy lady. So I was in sales already and I was buying at a wonderful price, up selling and supplying schoolmates with candy and treats.

• 19:12Michelle Obama?

  So you were that kid, you were the kid that had the nai-laiders?

• 19:15Speaker 06

  Plus I had money, so I didn't have to, I was able to treat the women that I liked.

• 19:25Michelle Obama?

  Nice.

• 19:26Speaker 06

  Really nice.

• 19:27Michelle Obama?

  Nice.

• 19:28Speaker 06

  I learned that.

• 19:33Speaker 06

  Supplying happiness to people.

• 19:36Michelle Obama?

  So you were Money Mike early?

• 19:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, Money Micah.

• 19:41Michelle Obama?

  Is that, was that where your character came from? Money Micah, you would, you were practicing that at 13?

• 19:48Speaker 06

  It seems like it's all planned out. But, you know, God showed me early on that there was this pathway and I wasn't really certain of how to make sure that I was on it or.

• 20:01Michelle Obama?

  Wow.

• 20:02Speaker 06

  So you get to Miami. Yep, so we get to Miami.

• 20:06Michelle Obama?

  With your puppy?

• 20:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This trip probably only took us maybe three days at the most, maybe two. It was a really nice ride, but there, so I'm there and

• 20:21Speaker 06

  I just had never seen a place so big with so many different neighborhoods and a different culture and ethnicity every three blocks. And it was really, um,

• 20:34Speaker 06

  really a bit of a culture shock. But I found a place in Coconut Grove at a park and that's where I made my residence. And it was across the street from a library. And so I would, eight hours a day, I would be in a library reading and.

• 20:51Michelle Obama?

  So you just camped out?

• 20:55Speaker 06

  Literally.

• 20:55Michelle Obama?

  Literally? Did you buy a tent with your money?

• 20:58Speaker 06

  No, ma'am.

• 20:59Michelle Obama?

  So you're just laying out on the grass with your puppy, a 13-year-old?

• 21:03Speaker 06

  No, no, no.

• 21:03Michelle Obama?

  And going across the street to the library?

• 21:07Speaker 06

  Segment of population that this was kind of a, in the homeless world, this was kind of a gated community.

• 21:14Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 06

  This park by them with a marina behind it. So you can't encroach and it's in Coconut Grove. So, yeah, I was able to purchase a brand-new mattress. First day I was gonna have to sleep, so I never slept on the ground or anything. And remember, my clothes are all dress clothes. I only have slacks and white shirts and ties.

• 21:35Michelle Obama?

  Is anybody like, I'm just trying to picture this.

• 21:38Craig Robinson?

  I can't, I can't picture any of this.

• 21:40Michelle Obama?

  And I'm still like, are you telling the truth? Are you joking? Because I'm like, still trying to picture you. You went and bought a mattress? How'd you get the mattress to the park? I mean, I'm just. They delivered. Oh, you went to a store and you had them deliver your mattress to the park?

• 21:58Speaker 06

  There's a homeless hierarchy in the place that I was at. So there was a guy who was in charge of whether or not you got to be there or not. And because of my age.

• 22:09Michelle Obama?

  That you should be there?

• 22:11Speaker 06

  I didn't. I've, I've lived a.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  I have a presence.

• 22:17Michelle Obama?

  Yes, you do.

• 22:18Speaker 06

  And.

• 22:23Speaker 06

  I'm one of the people that.

• 22:27Speaker 06

  Doesn't have ulterior motives. And most people I've found do. But even at that age, I did, I didn't have any.

• 22:38Craig Robinson?

  And as far as we're concerned, you're in our family.

• 22:40Michelle Obama?

  Oh, I feel that way. Carol, you really, I mean, you know, just sitting here and talking about that, that path. I mean, it, I don't think that, well, I know, you must hear this all the time, but. You know, we, we have, we, we had a happy, beautiful family, right?

• 23:02Michelle Obama?

  But your talent, your gifts, the structure of your show, how you showed up in it, like Craig said, you know, your humanity before the show, your honesty throughout your career. I mean, that kind of stuff is, has been as impactful to my development as my parents. Right? Because that's the role modeling. You know, you see a, a smart woman. Because what is clear through this is that you've always been that woman. Smart, courageous, bold, and you just brought that to your, your show. And that came into our living rooms.

• 23:47Michelle Obama?

  As, as, as part of an important experience of seeing what you could be.

• 23:54Michelle Obama?

  You're gonna make me cry. Oh, thank you. I'm so touched and moved. You mean the world to us.

• 24:05Michelle Obama?

  And thank you. You know, you know what I want to do?

• 24:11Michelle Obama?

  I want to sing "It's So Nice."

• 24:15Craig Robinson?

  Have us time together.

• 24:18Michelle Obama?

  Together. I love it. Just to have a laugh or sing a song. Seems we just get started.

• 24:28Craig Robinson?

  And before you know it, comes the time we have to say so long.

• 24:39Michelle Obama?

  Goodnight, Carol.

• 24:40Craig Robinson?

  All these youngsters have no idea what we're doing.

• 24:44Michelle Obama?

  Oh, thank you. Thank you.

• 24:46Craig Robinson?

  I've got chills.

• 24:56Craig Robinson?

  We played a summer tournament about two hours away. And as I think back, I wish we had considered staying in an Airbnb home instead of staying at a hotel. We would have had an opportunity to eat together, watch film together, as well as control the curfew of a bunch of 13-year-old boys. I also think that it would have given our parents a break from their children. As you can imagine, coming together as a team outside of the game is as important as what you do on the court. And having the ability to hang out together at an Airbnb would have given us that extra opportunity to bond. And if you're thinking about the big tournaments that come into your town,

• 25:41Craig Robinson?

  now is a great time to think about hosting fellow fans and players during the season.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  I mean, as a kid, I was very concerned about stability. And my mom, my mom was an amazing person, but she was not very parental. And my dad had died, and I very much wanted to know what was happening. And I used to read my mom's journal. I used to monitor her phone calls when I was a kid. Like, I wanted to know what was coming down the pike.

• 26:16Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  And I started working when I was 12 to earn money because I was very concerned about, like, my mom's on shaky financial footing. And even though the world probably thought she was super rich, but she, you know, spent a lot of money and had no sense of money. And I knew this from a little kid. And I remember I was actually walking up the stairs one day. My mom was on the phone, and she said, she was talking to somebody on the phone. She said, "Well, I'll always be able to make money." And I stopped, and I was like, "This ship is going down."

• 26:46Speaker 05

  If she thinks she's always going to be able to do this, like...

• 26:49Michelle Obama?

  And how old were you when you heard that?

• 26:50Speaker 05

  I was like 12.

• 26:51Michelle Obama?

  So you knew?

• 26:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I knew. I knew early on.

• 26:54Michelle Obama?

  Were you the oldest?

• 26:55Speaker 05

  No, I was the, I was the youngest. My brother was two years older, but he wasn't as, like, focused on this as much as I was. I was really determined. And yeah, I started, I mean, it was ridiculous. I started working as a child model at 12 to like...

• 27:09Craig Robinson?

  To help, help the family.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  Not that they, you know, I wasn't, I was saving the money because I was like, "I'm gonna need to, I'm building a life raft here." But, but she was remarkable. And, and, you know, I was always very sympathetic to my mom because she really didn't have parents of her own. She was kind of, her dad died when she was an infant. She was raised in hotels in Europe by her mom, who just wanted to party. She was the subject of a vicious custody battle when she was 10 years old. It was called the Trial of the Century in the Depression. And, you know, I kind of saw sadness behind my mom's eyes her whole life. And I, I didn't understand what the sadness was from, but I was sympathetic to her. And so even if she wasn't the most kind of mom-mom, she, she was incre... I viewed her as a, I mean, from the time I was little,

• 27:55Speaker 05

  I viewed her as like a, a space alien whose rocket ship had, had like, you know, failed and landed here on Earth by accident. And it was my job to like, help her like rent an apartment and learn how to breathe oxygen.

• 28:10Craig Robinson?

  That's, that's a level of worry that most young people.

• 28:14Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, but look who's talking.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  Is that right?

• 28:18Michelle Obama?

  I, I listened to you and I think about him.

• 28:22Speaker 05

  Really?

• 28:22Michelle Obama?

  And he's the oldest. I think you called it catastrophic.

• 28:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:26Michelle Obama?

  You know?

• 28:27Speaker 05

  I was a catastrophist.

• 28:28Michelle Obama?

  He was a catastrophist at that age in the same way that you were. You know, really thinking, okay, all the worst possible scenarios. And I think he felt like the one that had to know it all.

• 28:40Speaker 05

  Right.

• 28:41Michelle Obama?

  He was gonna be you.

• 28:42Speaker 05

  That's interesting.

• 28:42Michelle Obama?

  Like if things fell apart, if our dad ever could never function.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  Right.

• 28:47Michelle Obama?

  Then Craig was the one who was gonna make sure.

• 28:50Speaker 05

  It's interesting, because the, the title of this book my mom and I wrote together, which ended up being basically our correspondence over the course of the year, was "The Rainbow Comes and Goes," which is from a Wordsworth poem. And it was a poem my mom liked. And for her, it meant, well, the rainbow comes and goes. It's always gonna come back. And so like, bright days are just ahead. They're just around the corner. The phone can ring and your whole life can change. And for me, the title was like, yeah, the rainbow comes and it goes.

• 29:14Michelle Obama?

  And it's gone.

• 29:15Speaker 05

  And yeah, the phone can ring and your whole friggin' life can change. Like, I saw it from a negative lens. And she saw it, she like could not, it was so, such an interesting kind of.

• 29:24Craig Robinson?

  And you're just trying to be realistic.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 29:26Craig Robinson?

  You're just trying to be realistic. Just cover all the bases in case something happens.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  It's a fine line between realistic and pessimistic, I think.

• 29:32Michelle Obama?

  That's right. I think you two fell on the pessimistic side.

• 29:35Speaker 05

  Somewhere in the istick family, but. I realized that parenting is pennies in the bank.

• 29:42Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 29:42Speaker 05

  It's that time when you were working and you didn't wanna stop, but, but you did. That made a huge difference to me. Because if I'd have failed, I always felt if I'd have failed with my kids, I would have failed tremendously in life.

• 29:59Michelle Obama?

  Hmm. I like what you said, that parenting is pennies in the bank. And that just resonates because I think of.

• 30:09Michelle Obama?

  You know, I think of my upbringing, and I've talked about in a lot. You know, we were working class, poor working class family. Father was a city worker. He did not make a lot of money. He did not have a title. He was not famous. He wouldn't be on a regular schedule. We could go for a week and not see him because he was working a shift. But when he was present, he was present in very small but meaningful ways.

• 30:40Speaker 05

  Wonderful.

• 30:41Michelle Obama?

  Something as simple, you know, I recall like the special treat before dinner, if he was there or after dinner, was that we get him to play a game.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:53Michelle Obama?

  Any kind of game, you know, a tickle game, a card game. And it just felt like such a treat that this big, important man, who had all this responsibility.

• 31:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:06Michelle Obama?

  Got on the floor and played with us.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:09Michelle Obama?

  He delighted in our presence.

• 31:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's wonderful.

• 31:14Michelle Obama?

  And what I tell a lot of parents is that a lot of times we work for money and things. Because especially if you're poor, you think, well, if I could give my kids more, we could live in a bigger house. If I could put them in the best schools. If I could give them the nicest sneakers, right?

• 31:36Speaker 05

  Right.

• 31:37Michelle Obama?

  That that is going to replace it. But it's the pennies in the bank.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:44Michelle Obama?

  That matter. And everybody's got some pennies, you know? Kids don't need the stuff. They just want the pennies, you know?

• 31:55Speaker 05

  Very important.

• 31:56Michelle Obama?

  And I think a lot of men lose sight of the fact that a lot of what they're working towards is just their goals.

• 32:05Speaker 05

  Right.

• 32:05Michelle Obama?

  And ambition, you know? And I think men should have that. I think everyone, men, women, people have to have their own lives and their own ambitions, but have it and say, that's for you. But your kids, they just want pennies.

• 32:20Speaker 05

  They want the pennies.

• 32:21Michelle Obama?

  They really do.

• 32:22Speaker 05

  They do, yeah.

• 32:24Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, you're never too poor to be a father.

• 32:29Speaker 05

  No, to give, you know, time and attention. You know, artists, the worst, the worst, so self-involved. You know, oh, my God, you know, you get so caught up in your own, your own inner world. You know, because that's where you sought refuge. You know, when, when things weren't working out, when you were younger, you sought refuge in this inner world.

• 32:53Michelle Obama?

  I think the, the point you're making is that, you know, it's, it's easy to get lost in the grandeur of your life.

• 33:01Speaker 05

  Exactly, of yourself.

• 33:02Michelle Obama?

  Of yourself.

• 33:04Speaker 05

  I had to deal with a lot of the grandeur of myself.

• 33:07Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, because that's the thing everybody's taught to pursue, you know? It's like, that's, that's the, the brass ring.

• 33:20Michelle Obama?

  And that's why parenting is a, is a, it's a group sport.

• 33:25Speaker 05

  Big time.

• 33:26Michelle Obama?

  And I think Barack is just like you, is a tremendous father, doing it in a lot of grandeur, right?

• 33:35Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, you're the commander in chief of the United States of America. And so finding that, that balance of, you know, when you, you've got the nuclear code in your grasp and world leaders calling you and big, important, heavy decisions coming at you every day and valets and aides and on and on and security and, oh, it's just all grandeur. Trying to wipe all that stuff away and leave it at the door before you enter, before he would enter the residence of the White House to sit at a dinner table with his two daughters and only talk about them.

• 34:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 34:21Michelle Obama?

  It was important for both of us, for me and Barack, to carve out that time in those eight years, when our girls were in their formative years, you know?

• 34:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:33Michelle Obama?

  They've lived long, Malia and Sasha, in the White House, and they've lived in any house.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  That's amazing.

• 34:39Michelle Obama?

  They were formed in that house and around that table, in that residence. And it took a mighty effort to leave the grandeur at the door. And to just be there and talk about fifth grade.

• 34:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:56Michelle Obama?

  And, you know?

• 34:57Speaker 05

  Even in my job, you know, it's like, hey, you're on the road, you're king. So I remember when I did Akil and the Bee, everybody kept saying, this movie is gonna be a hit.

• 35:06Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  This movie's gonna bust it out. This is, you're gonna be a star. And like, it's such an elusive thing, because what's a star? You know what I mean?

• 35:13Michelle Obama?

  Yeah. Right. And how old were you then?

• 35:15Speaker 05

  I was 11.

• 35:16Michelle Obama?

  11.

• 35:17Speaker 05

  And they were like, this is, I'm like, wow, this is huge.

• 35:20Michelle Obama?

  Really, whatever that is.

• 35:21Speaker 05

  I guess I was Michael Jackson now. You know, like, it was like, and then the movie came in and did so terrible in the box office.

• 35:28Michelle Obama?

  Although that was one of my favorite movies.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  And then, and then the funny thing about it is like, over time, it grew to be my most popular film.

• 35:35Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  And the thing that people most know me for, but I use that as an example in this is because our life is made up of many moments. It's not made, like, our legacy is not just that one thing we did.

• 35:46Michelle Obama?

  Okay, Kiki.

• 35:48Speaker 05

  You know, it's the many things that we did. And so, like, Akil and the Bee was always there for people to come to and remember my work, and it grew over time amongst all the things I did. But I remember feeling in that moment, being like, everybody lied to me. You know what I mean? I felt like when my mom told me I was gonna be a big girl at five, I still didn't get big. I was like, now, wait a minute, I'm still shorter than y'all.

• 36:07Michelle Obama?

  It sounds like big girl just means, I can't be a baby.

• 36:10Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 36:11Michelle Obama?

  This don't seem right.

• 36:13Speaker 05

  And that's how I felt with the Akil thing. And so, but what I learned, and what I never did to myself after that, was to expect an outcome, to be proud of the work, to be happy that I got the job, or the thing that I wanted to get, or did the, but not to, not to make it mean that. It is only that.

• 36:29Michelle Obama?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 05

  If I receive a certain achievement. No, it's that to me. And that has to be enough. So that's the one thing I I thought about when that happened.

• 36:38Michelle Obama?

  So that makes me think, I mean, I share this all the time. I mean, I went to Princeton Harvard Law because I thought I was gonna be a lawyer. Um, and a corporate lawyer. I I didn't know anything about what a lawyer did. I didn't come, our family was, we were not professional people. I picked law because it was the next thing to do. I applied, I got into Harvard, you get into Harvard, you go, right? That was the extent of my thinking.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 37:03Michelle Obama?

  Right? Um, and then I got out, I practiced in a firm for two years. And I was like, I, I don't like this at all. I'm not, you know, because corporate law is about, it's, it's papers and briefs, it's research. It's not very people oriented, especially in the, uh, your early years. It just, I had no idea what corporate law was.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  Right.

• 37:29Michelle Obama?

  And I had a, I had wonderful mentors, people supported me. I, I did, I was able to achieve and do good things in that year. But I, I didn't, I didn't know what that felt like. Um, I did not want to be a lawyer.

• 37:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:45Michelle Obama?

  As it turns out, after all that education and all those loans. But to your point, it was all them loans that we just paid off before Barack went into the White House.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:57Michelle Obama?

  So, I mean, we were carrying debt, you know, for a very long time for me not to be a lawyer. Um, but to your point, I had no idea what that was gonna mean. And what was that, what that was gonna feel like. It was just a goal that I set for myself. I didn't even know what it was based on.

• 38:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:20Michelle Obama?

  I didn't know my why. I knew my what, but I didn't know my why. And, and I could have felt, um, like a failure for it, right? But I, I didn't. Fortunately, I had parents, I was like, let me try on some other things. Like, to your point, there are chapters in life. That was a chapter. I needed to do that and know that and understand that. And I went on to have many, many chapters. And I'm still glad that I got my law degree. The way I think, you know, how I see the world is very much influenced by that education. Yes. But it wasn't who I was supposed to be. And there's no way I would have known that had I not tried it. Yep. And then moved on from it and tried on some other thing. Yeah.

• 39:04Michelle Obama?

  So for Noelle, there are just, that life is about the chapters. You know, it's never any one thing. And to place too much stock or put too much emotion on one or two achievements, it always sets you up for disappointment. It's so true. Because life is bigger than that.

• 39:34Michelle Obama?

  Before we go, I want to hear my song.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  Which, okay, here it is. It's so good. It's so good. This is the best one. Here it is. And it goes a little bit like this. Now, don't clap because I'll go off rhythm.

• 39:47Michelle Obama?

  Yes, please.

• 39:48Speaker 05

  Because I've written some-

• 39:49Michelle Obama?

  White people.

• 39:49Speaker 05

  Because you go-

• 39:52Speaker 05

  Baby, when the white people chime in on the rhythm. But I want you to know something now. I love y'all.

• 39:59Craig Robinson?

  Cut this part out. We want to keep our white audience.

• 40:02Speaker 05

  Listen, I love my white people. I do. But y'all just, when we start doing things, you sit still. Da na na na na.

• 40:15Speaker 05

  Da na na na na. Now, there's Miss Diane Carroll, Lena Horne, and Eartha Kitt. They stayed on top for ages, but their looks never quit. Now, when white women get older, their skin gets crystalline. But because of my race, look at my face. Salted to baby's behind because black don't crack.

• 40:44Speaker 05

  I tell you, black don't crack.

• 40:49Speaker 05

  Now, Cardi B and Beyonce certainly know how to make a buck. But being sued for fights or on Grammy nights, they don't need no nip and tuck. Da na na na na.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  Now Harriet's got her railroad. Sojourna's got her truth. So Kamala Harris and Jasmine Crockett could be a choice at the voting booth. Oprah Winfrey's got her billions. And Michelle's got Obama. And I still look good out in Hollywood playing everybody's mama. I tell you, don't cry. So white girls, get your facelifts to your foreheads on your back. Cause I'll be having fun out in the sun. Cause baby, don't act.

• 41:47Speaker 05

  And then shakalaka.

• 41:54Speaker 05

  That's the orchestra going.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  The thing is, I stay open. I'm probably way open. Oh my God, that sounded so wrong.

• 42:06Michelle Obama?

  I didn't mean that, Mom.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  My heart.

• 42:08Michelle Obama?

  Your family.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  My heart stays open.

• 42:10Michelle Obama?

  Your heart literally stays open.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah, that was hard. More open than it than it should be, but I do date. And it's a fascinating adventure out there, you know? Mostly though, I think there's really good men out there. I think to a certain extent, I'm a very unique sort of unicorn of a woman. And so it's gonna take a unique person. And in the meantime, I have really learned how to live my life and enjoy it and not sit around waiting. I come, you know, I was saying to someone recently that I'm one of the first generations of choice. And it's not anymore, which really, there was a window and that has shifted. And I do think that that's gonna change dating for women so much.

• 42:58Michelle Obama?

  When you mean you've been the sort of the product of choice?

• 43:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, like the assumption of Roe v. Wade. And the ability for a woman to find her own delight and pleasure and choice around how she navigates dating or how one would navigate dating. And we're in a different world now. And I'm curious what that will look like. It frightens me for younger girls because of many reasons, obviously. But. Even with the systemic protection of Roe v. Wade, I still was coming up against the cultural norms of being a choiceful woman and owning my own body and my own choices and what it is that I'm looking for in a relationship and the ability to negotiate in a relationship

• 43:46Speaker 04

  what it is you want the relationship to be between the two of you as opposed to what society says it should be.

• 43:52Michelle Obama?

  We could not have Kenan Thompson on this podcast without doing one of my favorite skits, which is Black Jeopardy.

• 44:01Speaker 05

  Let's go. Black Jeopardy.

• 44:03Michelle Obama?

  Craig and I have always thought we'd be pretty good at it. It looks a little hard. I'm a little intimidated. But I thought that if you would indulge us, you would give us an opportunity

• 44:12Speaker 05

  My pleasure.

• 44:12Michelle Obama?

  to play a couple of rounds.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  I love Black Jeopardy. It's one of my favorites. Shout out to Chadwick, because he had the greatest Black Jeopardy ever.

• 44:18Michelle Obama?

  Oh, he sure did.

• 44:19Speaker 05

  Incredible.

• 44:20Michelle Obama?

  Cool.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  I think we coined the phrase Karen off of that sketch.

• 44:23Michelle Obama?

  That's Karen. What is? A Karen.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  She might put something like raisins or something in the potatoes out.

• 44:34Speaker 05

  Okay. As you know, Black Jeopardy has a bunch of different categories. You know, different ones that like, you know, our categories today might be, you better say it right. Fixing your plate. Don't touch that. Oh, you fancy. That ain't it. Black Twitter University. Hood classics. Black dads be like, etc., etc.

• 44:58Michelle Obama?

  Okay. All right. This is the sibling competition.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 45:04Michelle Obama?

  Good luck.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  Good luck to both of you contestants. We should hear about today's prizes. We'll do that later. I feel like Cadillac might be involved. All right. Our first category, that ain't it.

• 45:20Michelle Obama?

  That ain't it.

• 45:20Speaker 05

  All right. The question is, a friend who says they don't do seasoning is also what?

• 45:29Craig Robinson?

  Not of colorful pigmentation. What is not of colorful pigmentation?

• 45:39Speaker 05

  Not a personal color? That's close.

• 45:43Speaker 05

  Do you have an answer?

• 45:46Michelle Obama?

  Not invited back to my house.

• 45:48Speaker 05

  That is uninvited. Uninvited was the answer. All right, the next category, Black Twitter University.

• 45:55Michelle Obama?

  Okay.

• 45:55Speaker 05

  What does "she ate and left no crumbs" mean?

• 46:02Michelle Obama?

  It means she told you off and left you with your mouth hanging on the floor.

• 46:08Speaker 05

  Yes. We need a ding for the correct answers. That's a good one, yes. We would have accepted "she slayed," "she delivered," or "that was flawless." So that you're in that real house, yes.

• 46:20Michelle Obama?

  What's the score? 2-0. Oh.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  Come on, Craig.

• 46:24Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, really.

• 46:25Speaker 05

  What's up, man? What's my game?

• 46:26Craig Robinson?

  My buzzer works.

• 46:28Speaker 05

  That's it, with Black Jeopardy.

• 46:29Craig Robinson?

  Yes, I know, I know.

• 46:31Speaker 05

  All right, this is hood classics.

• 46:34Craig Robinson?

  Hood classics, okay.

• 46:36Speaker 05

  This item doubles as a weapon, a shoe, and an expression of discipline.

• 46:46Craig Robinson?

  What is Mama's fluffy, pink house shoe?

• 46:50Speaker 05

  Ooh, yes, ding ding ding ding ding.

• 46:53Michelle Obama?

  That was too specific. Did you have the answer?

• 46:56Craig Robinson?

  No, I was embellishing as I was just gonna say.

• 47:00Speaker 05

  House slipper, model sandals, or that flip-flop with precision aim. So, yes, we all know that Boomerang joke from the great Teddy Murphy. Incredible. All right, black dads be like? What does your dad say every time he walks past the thermostat?

• 47:21Michelle Obama?

  What is, "We ain't trying to heat up the whole, cool down the whole neighborhood"?

• 47:25Speaker 05

  You got one?

• 47:27Craig Robinson?

  I do. What is "nobody should be touching this who ain't paying rent"?

• 47:33Speaker 05

  Close. Both of those are very close. We have, why do it feel like the topic's in here? Y'all paying the light bills? Or touch it again and see what happens? Oh, yes. It was close. We split it between the two of you.

• 47:49Michelle Obama?

  Okay.

• 47:49Speaker 05

  So what is it, 2-1, 3-1?

• 47:50Michelle Obama?

  It's 2.5 or 1.5.

• 47:52Speaker 05

  2.5, 1.5. That's close. Come on.

• 47:54Michelle Obama?

  Okay, okay.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  All right, church folks.

• 47:56Michelle Obama?

  Okay.

• 47:56Speaker 05

  If someone shouts, "Take your time, pastor," they probably mean what?

• 48:02Michelle Obama?

  They probably mean hurry up so I can get to the repass and have some fried chicken.

• 48:06Speaker 05

  That's right. Y'all so specific with it?

• 48:10Speaker 05

  Jeez. Get to the repass and have some fried chicken. Repass, that's usually at a funeral.

• 48:15Michelle Obama?

  I know, but you know, it's a sermon.

• 48:18Speaker 05

  Unacceptable answers was wrap it up, we hungry, and you dragging it.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  Uh, mama said.

• 48:26Michelle Obama?

  Mama said.

• 48:27Speaker 05

  Mama said, if she uses your full government name, including the middle one, what does that mean? Oh, I think Michelle was first.

• 48:36Michelle Obama?

  You about to get your butt whooped.

• 48:38Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. You about to get it, that is the answer. Let's go.

• 48:44Speaker 05

  Craig, where you at, man?

• 48:45Craig Robinson?

  I'm right here.

• 48:45Michelle Obama?

  Your hand is too far away. You're propped. You need it better. You gotta be closer to the butt.

• 48:51Craig Robinson?

  I gotta get a question before.

• 48:51Michelle Obama?

  But that's...

• 48:52Craig Robinson?

  Because I might press it too quick.

• 48:54Michelle Obama?

  Okay, okay.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  Just hover right above.

• 48:55Michelle Obama?

  All right.

• 48:56Craig Robinson?

  Then he's gonna press it before the question.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  Category. You better say it right.

• 49:01Michelle Obama?

  Better say it right.

• 49:02Speaker 05

  When a black auntie says, bless her heart, what does she mean?

• 49:10Craig Robinson?

  What is...

• 49:14Craig Robinson?

  She's doing something wrong.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  Uh-huh. You got a better one?

• 49:20Michelle Obama?

  What is, you have no talent at whatever it is you're trying to do?

• 49:25Speaker 05

  Y'all being nice. We would have accepted she being shady, that girl is struggling, or she a mess.

• 49:36Michelle Obama?

  Yeah, she a mess.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  So nobody got that.

• 49:38Craig Robinson?

  Yeah, we were trying to be nice. We tried to be too nice on that.

• 49:41Speaker 05

  This next category is fixing your plate.

• 49:44Craig Robinson?

  Oh.

• 49:44Michelle Obama?

  Oh.

• 49:45Speaker 05

  Where is your mama's potato salad recipe stored? That's you, Craig.

• 49:51Craig Robinson?

  What is...

• 49:54Craig Robinson?

  in... in the middle of the Gideon Bible?

• 50:06Michelle Obama?

  If she don't write the recipe down, she knows it in her head.

• 50:15Speaker 05

  That was close, though. That Gideon, you gotta keep that Gideon close.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  All right, next category, oh, you fancy. She got on hoops, a side part, and baby hairs laid. What does that mean?

• 50:33Michelle Obama?

  Who got that?

• 50:34Speaker 05

  I think it was great.

• 50:35Michelle Obama?

  Okay.

• 50:35Speaker 05

  What is, mama's going out tonight?

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Close. You got one, Michelle?

• 50:44Michelle Obama?

  What does that mean? It just means it's a Tuesday.

• 50:49Speaker 05

  That means she bad her business, yeah. She not playing, she mean business, and don't try her. That's basically what y'all said. Give 'em both a point. All right, this next category, there's only two more. Okay. You got a chance to catch up. Don't touch that is the category. When your mama says she watching her stories, what is she referring to?

• 51:12Michelle Obama?

  What is All My Children, Brian's Hope, One Life to Live?

• 51:18Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 51:18Michelle Obama?

  Any of the daytime soaps?

• 51:19Speaker 05

  That's right. What is General Hospital at our house? General Hospital.

• 51:24Michelle Obama?

  Well, no, he doesn't get that.

• 51:25Speaker 05

  Soap operas, yeah, no. You got that. Yeah, come on now. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. This is a bonus question, so this will be worth, what's the score?

• 51:33Michelle Obama?

  We got 5.5 to 1.5. Oh, man.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  So this one's worth?

• 51:39Michelle Obama?

  It's gotta be worth 20 points.

• 51:41Speaker 05

  Five points, right? Somebody can win. Five points would be 6.5, 10, 12, 14, 15, be five. Yeah. Yeah, that's five points would be, also this is a five pointer, okay. The category is, the Obamas be Obamas. Question. Barack hit you with the, now let me be clear. What's coming next?

• 52:04Speaker 05

  Michelle?

• 52:05Michelle Obama?

  A 20-minute answer to a question.

• 52:08Speaker 05

  100%. A whole ass TED Talk.

• 52:13Speaker 05

  Listen.

• 52:15Speaker 05

  But that's because they married. That ain't it, that ain't it for you.

• 52:19Michelle Obama?

  I didn't make up the question.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  Well, I think we got a champion.

• 52:25Michelle Obama?

  I think your flaw, you were too lazy.

• 52:28Speaker 05

  It up off the buzzer, you know?

• 52:29Craig Robinson?

  No, it wasn't the quickness. It was my answers.

• 52:31Speaker 05

  But wasn't that a nice stroll down black memory? It was lovely.

• 52:36Craig Robinson?

  Yeah, that was really fun.

• 52:37Speaker 05

  The aunties and their bibles. Baby hair. Yeah, baby hair. You know? I love it. Shout out to the coach.

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