Ep 638 - Beef Raised Right (feat. Mason 'Bric' LaDue)

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Wow, wow, Wes.

• 0:01Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, I remember when we, uh, when I opened for Shane at the link, we did like two sound checks. I was like, good to go. I trust these sound guys. I got up there and just every fucking word I said was like times eight, just right back. I would say something and it would echo like eight times into my ear.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Got to bounce off so many things in there.

• 0:19Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, well, it just felt maddening. And then I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm like, the sound guys right to my right. Cause it's like the, you're in the rounds, you're moving around. So I like, you know, I'm doing like a minute. I'm like, they'll figure it out. My trusted sound guys. I turned to look at them. They were like this, just arms crossed, looking at me like, look pissed at me. I'm like, what the fuck, man?

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Fucking guy is supposed to be a professional.

• 0:40Matt McCusker?

  It was the funniest shit in the world. Just arms folded, just like leaning his chin down. I'm like, man, you couldn't be less interested in this right now. When my, I had to hold the mic like down here the whole time. You trying to shut that door? Yeah, I'll get it.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  The first thing I always do on tour is go meet the sound guy. Yeah, me, you need thing, man? How you doing? I'm glad to be here. I heard a lot of good things about you.

• 1:00Matt McCusker?

  I should introduce you. Mason Ladue.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  How you doing, guys?

• 1:03Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, what do you go by, Mason?

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Brick Mason.

• 1:05Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06Matt McCusker?

  Brick was a, Brick is such a sick fucking name.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a happenstance how it came about.

• 1:11Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, take me back. Take, what, give me the whole, you have, I don't, you have a really sick story. I don't know if, uh,

• 1:17Speaker 02

  I've been ponged around.

• 1:18Matt McCusker?

  You could biography mog a lot of people.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  I probably could.

• 1:22Matt McCusker?

  It's pretty sick.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  But all by mistake too, all by just bouncing around, no, with no real plan.

• 1:30Matt McCusker?

  That's how you do it.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  I mean, you know, I grew up in the Dallas area in Texas and, um, well, I grew up in the rural area of Texas and Dallas area. Went to school, like middle school, high school, suburbs of Dallas and just kind of had like a real, you know, like multifaceted, you know, upbringing as far as seeing exposed to different like rural life, cowboy life, and then suburb life.

• 1:52Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  You know, I'm, I'm 43, so I was a, you know, Columbine happened my sophomore year in high school.

• 1:58Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Nine 11 happened my freshman year in college. So like a lot of like cultural impactful stuff. Internet came about, so I just had a pretty cool upbringing and it just, it just bounced me around, uh, in the music business and.

• 2:13Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, wait, so how did you, you start, did you start on the ranch or did you start in the suburbs?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  So we, we all grew up out where I work at now. It's in Leon County. That's where my whole family is from. And, um, it just, super rural in the eighties and nineties. It was obvious that school and all that, like raising kids was going to be pretty tough. So like my parents, my dad, uh, had a family business in the Dallas area. And so we just kind of relocated to the suburbs. And that's where I grew up the most of like my childhood.

• 2:43Matt McCusker?

  Right.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  And all that, basically split in time, you know?

• 2:45Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  School, then every weekend or holiday, you know, head to the ranch. It was my great grandparents ranch.

• 2:51Matt McCusker?

  Big ranch.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Yes, it's, it's quite large. Uh, we've done a little bit more expanding from what they happened. They had a little bit more of a homesteading aspect. But, uh, you know, that was kind of the lifestyle back then too, you know, chickens in a garden.

• 3:04Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Cows and just the whole, the whole thing. So.

• 3:07Matt McCusker?

  I mean, dude, it's, I mean, not to obviously try to be an imposter. I read Lonesome Dove the first time this year. I was convinced I was a cowboy for like.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  That's a good, that's a rite of passage. I feel like it should be government mandated that you, every American family watches, may even get your citizenship. Watch.

• 3:28Matt McCusker?

  That's your point.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  You have to watch Lonesome Dove on VHS. Not DVD.

• 3:34Matt McCusker?

  I mean, that's not a hard sell.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  I mean, why not?

• 3:36Matt McCusker?

  No, I mean, that's also what I've heard, like especially when I've worked with Mexican guys, they get disappointed when they come here because they think we're all cowboys.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  All lonesome dove.

• 3:44Matt McCusker?

  They think we're like, for real. They think we're like Slim Jim and Brim and like, they come here and they're like, you guys are like weak and effeminate. No, not all of us, man. Come on.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:53Matt McCusker?

  I mean, coming from Mexico, seeing cowboys then ending up on like a liberal college campus, you must be like.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  It's all psyop.

• 4:02Matt McCusker?

  I got tricked.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  We're in North Korea.

• 4:06Matt McCusker?

  So, so you did, you were in the Dallas area. So how, how did you get into kind of the, I think you're kind of underselling it. How did you get into the whole music?

• 4:13Speaker 02

  So in high school, I was a little bit of a rabble rouser, you know? Did, didn't really follow a lot of rules and all that. And it would send me down. You know, I had an efficiency for weed. So it would send me to places where the weed was. And I ended up fellowshipping with those fellows and getting into business with them and.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  You know?

• 4:33Matt McCusker?

  You are hanging around the boys.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  I was with the boys quite early in life, you know?

• 4:39Matt McCusker?

  So you're fellowshipping.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  I think like.

• 4:41Matt McCusker?

  You did fellowship with the nugs.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  I think like the, the, yeah, truly, truly. And back then that fellowship was a secret society.

• 4:47Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Cause weed was super taboo.

• 4:49Matt McCusker?

  Especially in Texas.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Texas, it was bad.

• 4:51Matt McCusker?

  Even I grew up in the, in Philly suburbs. Even then it's like you would go to jail.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:55Matt McCusker?

  For like a, a, a pound of weed. It was like, you were going to jail.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was bad. And, uh, so I became the liaison, you know, I was the goldfinger. So.

• 5:03Matt McCusker?

  Nice.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  So, uh, that kind of integrated me into like, you know, more like, I, I became, I was also obviously growing up in the nineties because I was a huge rap fan, just by default.

• 5:14Matt McCusker?

  For sure.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  And so that kind of put me in the mix, uh, being in the urban developed areas to, uh, get my flower. And, um, and I was like, what are y'all listening to? And it was like chopped and screwed, like screw music. And I was, you know, a white kid essentially from the suburbs. I had no idea, but I just knew that was the coolest sound I ever heard. And it was all local, like Dallas, Houston music. And I, I didn't really know the difference. It was just independent. The only way I knew it was kind of like less put together.

• 5:44Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  You know, like less like, you know, it was kind of like crappier quality CDs, crappy quality sound. And I was like, oh, this is like cool, like local. So then I became kind of prideful of it being like from Texas. And I just got super into it and, you know, made friends with a bunch of people that were doing it. And one of us, uh, two, two or three of us would always go down there and hang out. They started doing concerts. They started putting out mixtapes, doing shows.

• 6:10Matt McCusker?

  Who, who was they at this time?

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sorry. So this would be Dirty South Riders, which is Big Tuck and Tom Tom, which are like considered like Dallas legends.

• 6:19Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Nowadays, my bet, one of my best friends is Tom Tom. Uh, he had a song go on the radio like 2006. And he was just, you know, off to the races.

• 6:30Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Uh, the Texas music scene was largely independent in the early aughts. And so there was a lot of money to be made.

• 6:36Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  And the mixtape scene, there was a lot of places for, at this time, you know, 19, 20 year old young squire trying to hustle up whatever, infatuated with money and taboo. It was the perfect blend for me to get into it. And, I mean, you're buying CDs wholesale, two, three dollars and selling them for 10.

• 6:57Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  I mean, and we were hopping out at gas stations, but y'all want this mixtape? And I mean.

• 7:02Matt McCusker?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  It was just a crazy hustle. It was so fun.

• 7:04Matt McCusker?

  I didn't realize you would enlist the help of other people to sell your mixtape.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Oh, big time. That was the biggest with all these mom and pop CD stores.

• 7:10Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  It was just like this big tape trade going on, you know, and I would, you know, I'd get, I got in the mix with Tom because his song was on the radio and, and we were off to the races pretty early, like 2003, 2004.

• 7:22Matt McCusker?

  How old were you doing this?

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Uh, I was like 20.

• 7:25Matt McCusker?

  Damn. So you're just getting blazed and hustling chopped and screwed mixtapes?

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:29Matt McCusker?

  That's a dream. That's a fucking dream, dude.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Coming from a town of 108, 58 people. You know, and then when going to a 5A high school, that's, I went to a 5A high school, which out here, that's like, my graduating class was 800 people.

• 7:44Matt McCusker?

  Damn.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  So, uh, which I think there's even bigger schools. Now I think there's like 6A out here now, even 7A, big schools out here. And football schools, all this derived from football.

• 7:54Matt McCusker?

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• 9:30Speaker 02

  So anyway, so just got in the mix and then became friends with Paul Wall in Houston, Slim Thug. And it's all based on making money together.

• 9:39Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Selling CDs, doing shows, putting things together on the music scene and, you know, meet them everywhere. And, and, you know, Paul is just one of those guys that's just the friendliest.

• 9:50Matt McCusker?

  Heard he's the man.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  He is the coolest bro. I, like, one thing that's a constant in my life is I was supremely blessed to be around people who were super solid.

• 10:00Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  I had, I was putting my neck out there and I could have got.

• 10:03Matt McCusker?

  How so?

• 10:04Speaker 02

  Just like, I mean, just high risk activity.

• 10:06Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:06Speaker 02

  You know, and, and just be, I mean, the rap game kind of turned in for a while. Like it was, you know, it was domestic warfare at certain points. Like we were running security detail. It got pretty wild. You know, it's just high stakes shit, you know?

• 10:22Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  High stakes shit going on.

• 10:24Matt McCusker?

  Where were the, was the stakes more like, there's a bunch of money, it was like kind of like a gold rush in terms of the money? What, what would that be like?

• 10:29Speaker 02

  I think it was the culture at the time was like getting money off of being kind of, well, I mean, like Tom's song, the first words in Tom's song that made, that was his first big hit was, I'm going to do something bad to you because you a motherfucking hoe.

• 10:44Matt McCusker?

  True.

• 10:44Speaker 02

  So here I am going around doing these concerts. The whole concert turns into a big fight. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm, there's videos of me and YouTube fighting my ass off at these shows.

• 10:55Matt McCusker?

  And what people would hear that, like, in the crowd, like, no, you won't?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Or just like, when they come to town, we're gonna see.

• 11:00Matt McCusker?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Tom's group, like, we were, we were known, like, back then, we would go to the club to fight. You know, we would go to the club and be thirty, forty deep and just be like, man, I got some shit to get off my chest.

• 11:14Matt McCusker?

  We're just gonna fight.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  It's like Little John.

• 11:18Matt McCusker?

  I knew I was gonna be supremely jealous of you this whole time.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  We're going to the club during, like, little scrappy head buses is playing.

• 11:24Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Like, come on. And then the whole club starts fighting, then they start playing, like, Lovers and Friends by Usher, trying to calm everybody down.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  It was a war zone.

• 11:34Matt McCusker?

  That's crazy.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Man, it really, like, accelerated me, like, as far as, like, you know, earning my stripes, as chauvinistic as that says, but it just, like, proved, like, you know, I'm just with it. Like, if you're wrong, and I'm your boy, we're both wrong.

• 11:48Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  We're going down together. Fuck it.

• 11:50Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  You know, and so.

• 11:51Matt McCusker?

  Well, let me, so, did you gravitate towards more of like a, a business, like, you're a producer, right? So you, did you kind of take?

• 11:59Speaker 02

  It was just appealing to me.

• 12:00Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  The money hand over fist and the pop culture blend, it was just appealing. And I just had the personality, like, I'm a people person. I, I can put people with people. I'm a dot connector. You know, I can fix the, you know.

• 12:12Matt McCusker?

  You're a goldfinger.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Right. I'm, I'm the man. So like, I was like, it just, I just was able to be the man where they can't be the man because they're being the artist.

• 12:21Matt McCusker?

  Right, right.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  So like, it just worked so well. And then, um, so Tom had another song go on the radio, like, oh nine. And that's when we were doing, like, they used to have these, like, car show circuits where local radio stations would pay you in radio spins to perform these car shows for free. So we'd be like, hey, you know, ten thousand spins or whatever for your song that's on the radio, come perform for free. And it'd be these huge, like, convention center car shows. It was called, like, Lost Magnifico. So it was like a lowrider club.

• 12:49Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  But it'd be like ten, fifteen, twenty thousand people there. It's a huge thing. And so.

• 12:54Matt McCusker?

  You're paid to put your music on.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so it's this big, like, business thing with the local radios and you gotta play fair and you can't smoke weed in the convention center. You know, it's just all this, like, bullshit, like, you know, like, kind of mandatory shit you gotta do in the industry. And we would meet guys, like, you know, that we were familiar with. They would also had songs radio, like, Wiz Khalifa. And that's how I met Wiz, was through these car shows. He had a song, Tom had a song. We all loved weed. Weed was taboo.

• 13:21Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  Didn't know where to find it. I'm the man, you know? And, and so we just kind of, it just all just formed through, like, a fellowship, a true, you know, like. Matter of fact, me and Paul Wall, our group chat for the longest was called the Underground Lean Network.

• 13:39Matt McCusker?

  Oh, yeah. So, but take me back to the lean. When did the lean hit? Was the lean already on the scene?

• 13:43Speaker 02

  So lean was part of it, like, already. Yeah. And it was cheap and it was just kind of like something we did.

• 13:48Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  And then it became more expensive. And like, I don't drink alcohol.

• 13:52Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  So I'm smoking weed and this, like, delicious drink pops in front of me. It makes me fall asleep. Here we go.

• 13:58Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  So.

• 13:59Matt McCusker?

  It is delicious.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  It was, it is very delicious, or was. I, I have done it quite a while.

• 14:04Matt McCusker?

  Did you get into all the weird things, the different color leans and how, like, the yellow lean is like?

• 14:09Speaker 02

  I stayed pretty purple drank.

• 14:10Matt McCusker?

  You're a purple drank all the time. That's good for you.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  And then I weaned myself off the red drank. And then, once it started getting tricky, I was just kind of like, you know, fuck all this, right? You know what I mean? So like, I definitely, I mean.

• 14:22Matt McCusker?

  What's the most we ever powed up?

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Oh, man. I was, I was an everyday sipper for two, three years. I got up to three hundred pounds.

• 14:30Matt McCusker?

  Damn.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  And it's the soda that kills me.

• 14:32Matt McCusker?

  It's, it's the soda. I always hear about the lean though.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  A liter Sprite. I'd do a liter Sprite, put four ounces in a liter Sprite, like, instead of coffee.

• 14:41Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  You know, like, and then smoke a joint and then wonder why I got a bad attitude.

• 14:46Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  And be like, I don't know why I can't get shit done today.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Lick at the baby bottle, you know?

• 14:56Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, you haven't shit for like a week.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  So, but it's just like.

• 14:59Matt McCusker?

  Lean constipate you?

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Uh, shit, I don't remember shitting. So I guess so. Yeah, fuck. Uh, I mean, but it was, like, I don't want to, like, say, it was pretty prevalent.

• 15:12Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  So like, I think you, at that, in my era, when it was cheap and available, you had to make a decision to not be a lean sipper.

• 15:19Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  If you're, especially you're in the, I mean, everybody walked around with cups and everybody, I mean, but it was also a crazy charge if you got caught.

• 15:28Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  Because there's this dilution, dilution rule on the book, because like, some tweaker tried to dump a bunch of speed into, like, two gallons of bleach.

• 15:37Matt McCusker?

  And they gave him.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  And so the rule is, you diluted that whole, so if you get caught with, like, a liter Sprite and you might have four ounces.

• 15:46Matt McCusker?

  They weigh it all up.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  You're the, you're the kingpin.

• 15:49Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  On paper.

• 15:50Matt McCusker?

  I, I knew, uh, I knew this, like, she was like a little hippie chick and she had take, taken a tray of brownies she made to, like, one of those, like, Tennessee hippie festivals. But she was in Tennessee.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:02Matt McCusker?

  The cops got her and charged her with, like, five pounds of whiskeys and brownies. So she got.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  It's actually a super antiquated rule that everyone, it's a law or, or what they call statute that all the, uh, legal beagles follow. And, uh, you know, if it wasn't to deal with, like, a severe opiate, it probably should be reversed. I don't want to be a proponent of people getting away scot-free with having a shit ton of drugs. Like, it is a somewhat a victim of crime.

• 16:27Matt McCusker?

  But if it is eighty percent soda.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  It's like, that's recreation. And plus, it's like, come on, I'm definitely not sharing this shit with nobody.

• 16:35Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, true.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  There's no distribution going on at all.

• 16:39Matt McCusker?

  Damn. So it was just, how long was that period of just?

• 16:42Speaker 02

  For, uh, probably like, I mean, I, I was into the music scene early in the Texas, probably like, you know, from like oh two to, uh, oh six. And it was all in the mix. And then they started trying to play with it and like, you know, it got real popular. And then the whole Justin Bieber. You know, he was actually a real big reason why they got rid of that shit at first.

• 17:02Matt McCusker?

  Got rid of what?

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Uh, the brand, the activist brand. He got caught with lean or something like that.

• 17:08Matt McCusker?

  Did he really?

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Totally blew the roof off of the whole operation. And so it got so bad.

• 17:13Matt McCusker?

  You say blew the roof off, it just got a lot of attention? Or you're saying?

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Made it nationwide pop culture popular.

• 17:18Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. I didn't realize Justin Bieber's.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wasn't, they didn't, the lean industry didn't have the bandwidth for that, for the Bieber rub. It didn't have the bandwidth for the Bieber rub.

• 17:28Matt McCusker?

  That's crazy. How much did he get caught with?

• 17:31Speaker 02

  I think he just got, he just kept fucking up a bunch and they're like.

• 17:34Matt McCusker?

  I remember Bieber's bad boy era.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  And, and it was lean. He was, his bad boy era was fueled, fueled by.

• 17:40Matt McCusker?

  Who gave him the lean?

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Uh, he was best friends with a Texas rapper.

• 17:46Matt McCusker?

  I did not know Beebs was sipping like that.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  So they, the, you know, this is all kind of rumored in you, but it's also out there, you know, it's, you know, I'm not revealing.

• 17:54Matt McCusker?

  Oh, yeah, my bad.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  But no, but yeah, it's.

• 17:56Matt McCusker?

  I mean, it just makes him even cooler, honestly.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, but that, that just shows you how, first of all, how.

• 18:02Matt McCusker?

  Also explains a lot. Explains all of his, like, nasty stuff he got in trouble for doing. It's like, yeah.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  He had lean head. He had lean face. And like, I totally, it's totally understandable, you know? Remember he got into it with a football player on the street? Uh, Chad, was it Chad Johnson?

• 18:17Matt McCusker?

  Oh, he got into it with Don Cincio?

• 18:18Speaker 02

  It wasn't, no, it was, uh, no, it was the other dude, uh, played for USC, Keyshawn Johnson.

• 18:23Matt McCusker?

  Did he really?

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Oh, he got it because he kept speeding down his road. So Keyshawn was like, damn kids. Like, like, and it was, you know, he just had lean attitude. And lean gives you bad attitude, too.

• 18:33Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, he just had lean to, man.

• 18:34Matt McCusker?

  That's funny. I'll never forget. I remember, because it was like, in Philadelphia, it came way later and.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  No, Philly, it was the start. That's where it started.

• 18:44Matt McCusker?

  Oh, yeah, it was the pancakes and syrup, they used to call it.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Dude, all the Philly rappers, when Texas, like, Beanie Siegel and all them were like, y'all just now doing that? We sip that shit straight out of the bottle. Yeah, Beanie Siegel probably was the first lean rapper on record.

• 18:58Matt McCusker?

  That's funny. Because that is, that's where the North Philly was, the Percocets and lean, it was pancakes and syrup.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:03Matt McCusker?

  I thought it was after, though. I always.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  No, they were first. It came from there. Yeah, because up there, it used to, the brand was called Bar, B A R R E. And I think there's, like, Philly slang that they call it bar only or something, way old school. They call it bar.

• 19:17Matt McCusker?

  That's interesting. I had no idea. I always, I always accredited it to Texas. Well, Philly was copycat.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  We did it better.

• 19:22Matt McCusker?

  True.

• 19:24Matt McCusker?

  Who did the double cup first?

• 19:25Speaker 02

  I think we did the double, because it's so fucking hot down here.

• 19:27Matt McCusker?

  True.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  The double cup is to save the ice.

• 19:29Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. Also, to sip it straight out of the bottle is kind of.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  That's pretty crack. That's, that's insane.

• 19:34Matt McCusker?

  I remember just once, I, I remember I finally got my hands on a, a big pint of lean. I was so excited to sell it. And I gave it to my friend's house. He drank all of it, or like enough of it. He drank enough of it and just crashed his car into a hill.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:48Matt McCusker?

  And it was just like, yeah, dude, I fucked up. That shit's so fucking sick.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Friday, Saturday night, you just have people fall asleep at red lights after the club, just like, oh, I was dead asleep at the gas stations and shit.

• 20:00Matt McCusker?

  They used to cut it with corn syrup. So people.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  K-Ro.

• 20:03Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, K-Ro syrup. That's what I was gonna say. Cut it with K-Ro syrup.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Got K-Ro in your cup.

• 20:07Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Adelai.

• 20:09Matt McCusker?

  They said if it was, if you undid the thing and it was crusty, it was all K.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Or if you flipped the bottle over and had the little like residue of the needle getting pulled, bro. People were so full of shit. Crackheads are amazing, aren't they? In all shapes and forms.

• 20:22Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, the weed, it's just such a funny thing. It was, it was expensive. It was so expensive.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  You put it in a baby bottle and you'd have grown adults making thousands of millions of dollars like, ah, like, like, like a bottle in the club. Like, bro, there's no way that dropped.

• 20:37Matt McCusker?

  It's, it's the funniest drug of all time. Lean is by far the, easily the funniest drug.

• 20:42Speaker 02

  Design, as far as designer drugs, it's gotta be the most asinine.

• 20:45Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Like, right, like, I'm not gonna, like, I can understand coke and molly, but I'm going to sedate myself.

• 20:53Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. Well, also, I feel like it doesn't, like, in a small dose, it doesn't really do much. That was kind of the thing. Like, you pay a lot for it. You almost had to take Percocets with it.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Well, in Texas, it started because smoking fry, smoking PCP was so big down here, they would sip lean to level themselves off off the fry.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  It all comes back to harder drugs at all times.

• 21:17Matt McCusker?

  That's true. Dude, that's so, you did that. So you're, you're in the mix. It sounds truly insane.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was just, I mean, there's, I mean.

• 21:25Matt McCusker?

  I didn't realize like the adversarial nature of trying to tour with rap of like, yeah, you're kind of talking shit to them.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's kind of a big machismo thing and especially like, I mean, we, like I said, I was blessed to be around like real cool guys. And like, we, we were like real, you know, we didn't get into a lot of shit. We had a dust up with the Franchise Boys, remember in the white tees?

• 21:46Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah. What was the Franchise Boys, bro?

• 21:48Speaker 02

  We beat the fuck out of them in a mall in Dallas.

• 21:51Matt McCusker?

  Wait, where'd you beat them in a mall?

• 21:52Speaker 02

  In a, yeah, in Dallas.

• 21:54Matt McCusker?

  The malls, dude, are, malls are troublesome.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Tom and them used to wear the tall t-shirts with, and keep the tall t sticker on them. And the Franchise Boys had, yep, in my white tee. And so they made a remix and shit on Tom and them keeping the sticker on, like it's some country shit. So Tom's like, bet.

• 22:10Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  I'll see you when I see you. And, and we did, we.

• 22:13Matt McCusker?

  Whooped their, whooped the Franchise Boys ass in the mall?

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it made the mall keep a statue where like groups of three can't, no more than groups of three can be, we mopped them from fucking Wet Seal to Dillers. They had no chance.

• 22:25Matt McCusker?

  The mall, the mall is like a entity, has been for two decades now, trying to figure out how to politely deal with black people.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  In Austin, in Austin during South by Southwest, and they used to have this track meet called the Texas Relays. Everyone would just go to the mall and they would turn it to just a one-way. You couldn't just gallivant in there. You had to do a big lap. And it was just basically like a conveyor belt of who you want to fucking fight.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  It was crazy, like.

• 22:53Matt McCusker?

  The mall used to be the spot.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  It used to be, it used to go down. Man, I went to a mall recently and it's dastardly in there these days. Oh my God, it's, it's a.

• 23:04Matt McCusker?

  It's just internet rappers.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  It's like retail hospice. Like, the kiosk guys aren't even passionate no more. They don't look up.

• 23:12Matt McCusker?

  It's, yeah, they're not even trying to run out and like do one of your nails or whatever.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  I would think the kiosk guys would be bought, I mean, all the fake jewelry, like this is their time.

• 23:20Matt McCusker?

  I know.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  And they're just not in, they just don't give a fuck.

• 23:23Matt McCusker?

  No, the heart's in it, man. There's, there's no, every mall that I grew up going to, if I go there now, it's like, oh, it's either shut down or you go in there and you're like, dude, what the fuck is this?

• 23:31Speaker 02

  It's like discount, like 70% off, baby clothes.

• 23:36Matt McCusker?

  No, it's like, it'll be like, you can go, most of the stores that I've seen are like, it'll be like a Chinese lady that sells like books, video games, CDs and like bamboo little plants. And you're like, who the fuck is this for? Who's coming here to purchase?

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Like those little waterfall plant things.

• 23:53Matt McCusker?

  What the fuck is this place?

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:55Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, Jin Lee got in a little dust up in the mall. He fought a bunch of kids in the mall.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  That's a Dallas thing, man. Jin Lee's a Dallas, he's a Dallas, he's a true Dallas Trap White. He's a true Trap White. That's the new category, Trapper White. I was a Trap White.

• 24:10Matt McCusker?

  You're a Trap White.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  I was a Trap White.

• 24:11Matt McCusker?

  That's so funny.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  I understand Jin Lee.

• 24:13Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, I, dude, I, Jin Lee fucking does.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  I didn't, I didn't go to the in-bombs.

• 24:19Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, you didn't go all the way in.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  No, that's a little crazy.

• 24:22Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, that's.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Teach its own.

• 24:24Matt McCusker?

  True, true.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Not for me.

• 24:28Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, it's a lifestyle for sure.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a true choice.

• 24:32Matt McCusker?

  I knew a couple of white guys, like, back when I was like up to my no good era, I remember meeting like, like real Trapper White guys. And they would just, and we would just roll off their tongue.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  East Coast, it's a thing.

• 24:44Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, they would just roll it off their tongue. And I remember just doing like, yeah, well, yeah, he's Puerto Rican, so.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  See, but that.

• 24:51Matt McCusker?

  It's, it's a question, it's question mark, it's question mark, but these guys were just like crusty, grimy white guys.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:57Matt McCusker?

  And they were just like, they were, you'd be like, hey, what's up, man? Or is this what we're doing now? What the fuck's going on?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  They're more from a like, what are you gonna do about it perspective?

• 25:04Matt McCusker?

  I don't think they even fucking think about it. I think they're just like, what?

• 25:08Speaker 02

  I definitely know a lot more east coast Trap Whites that, that's just part of their vocab. Down south, it's a little bit more, like, there's a little bit more, it's more touchy, feel.

• 25:17Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, a little more charged down here. You notice that with the stand-up. You bring up race stuff sometimes in the south.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Oh, damn.

• 25:22Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, they're like, come on, what are you, next? Next. I don't want to think about it.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:28Matt McCusker?

  Although I, I feel like the south is, I mean, it's definitely more integrated than the Midwest. Midwest, oh my, dude, the Midwest is so segregated. Milwaukee, I was in Milwaukee this weekend. Dude, Chicago is like, I've, I've never seen anything like it.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Oh, well, despite pre George Floyd, I always said Minneapolis was the racist place I've ever been.

• 25:49Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  They heat, the venues up there used to fucking hate to see us coming when we toured.

• 25:53Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we're like, at this time, I'm touring with Wiz and I was like, bro, we're just smoking mad weed, like, we're doing it.

• 26:00Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  And they would just be just real, just firm with us. And you would hear stuff like at the venues, you, you know, you get in there at Loden and you, you know, the, all the crew members are getting dispersed for their job for the night. And like, I was standing there and I guess they didn't know I was part of the road crew. And the, this lady walks by to the sound engineer and goes, ha, ha, you have the rap show tonight. I'm just like, bro, we fucking sold 10,000 tickets. What the fuck?

• 26:28Matt McCusker?

  Comedy clubs do that a lot.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Really?

• 26:29Matt McCusker?

  A lot of, yeah, there's a lot of talk. They'll, they'll be like, yeah, it's a, yeah, it's, it's a bit of an urban crowd last weekend. Don't try to beat around the bush. They'll beat around the bush with you.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:40Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, they will really beat around the bush with you and be like, ah, yeah, we're really glad to see you.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  It would be, it's a great sociological experiment to, to travel the United States, visiting like 500 to 2,500 person rooms. That's the true core of America.

• 26:57Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  That's who's like, like, the, like, you see the regions, like, you know, like Pacific Northwest, that's a different type of fellow up there, you know? And then like the south, and then like, these are all like, like, these people are all so different. And it's like, even how they watch the show.

• 27:16Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Is how, what they do after the show, during the show, it's all different. Like, I'd have to say the Midwest probably got the most fucked up at shows.

• 27:25Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 27:25Speaker 02

  The most tore up, yeah.

• 27:26Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, dude, there was.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Nothing else to do.

• 27:28Matt McCusker?

  True. I, I was leaving the show in Milwaukee and this car, I'm like walking past, like, there's like a parking lot. This car pulls out and this one guy opens the door and goes, holy shit, you're, you're, yeah, I know that guy. And they're fucking shitfaced driving. And the one guy opens the door in the back, goes, who are you? How does he know you? And the driver just goes, he's a Barstool legend. And they kept screaming, he's a Barstool legend.

• 28:02Matt McCusker?

  That's who he is. Like, you're a fucking Barstool legend. And just drove fucking hammered screaming.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  All like misplaced Grand Theft Audio characters, bro.

• 28:11Matt McCusker?

  He's a Barstool legend.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  I remember we did, did you ever do Knitting Factory in Spokane?

• 28:18Matt McCusker?

  No.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Okay, I think it's the knitting factory in Spokane. Well, Spokane's a spooky town.

• 28:24Matt McCusker?

  Spokane is fucking, I was just there.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Really?

• 28:26Matt McCusker?

  Yes. So you know what happened to them? They, they were a, like a train, you know, railroad town. That dried up, so some fucking person in the nineties went, what if we just turned us, our city into like a massive hub for bus stops from all over the area?

• 28:43Speaker 02

  That's why they.

• 28:44Matt McCusker?

  Yes, that's why it's so fucked up.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  So many transient fucking weirdos there. No offense to Spokane listeners, but.

• 28:50Matt McCusker?

  Dude, it's, no, I, I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you guys should fucking murder that lady or whoever came up with that idea. Like, it was like a city council person's like.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  That was a psyop. That was, you'd get war mode on that shit.

• 29:03Matt McCusker?

  We're gonna import weirdos from everywhere. Dude, it's like.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  It is a very spooky town for real.

• 29:08Matt McCusker?

  It's crazy. It's fucking nuts there. And they have, I think, Gonzaga's right there too.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Really?

• 29:13Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  That's Bellingham, I thought. Was that right there though?

• 29:16Matt McCusker?

  It's right there. Cause I, I didn't believe it. I looked it up and it's like, maybe, it's.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  And Gonzaga is a groovy college.

• 29:22Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, Gonzaga's a super nice place. And then you just like walk and you see it, it's like a, like 14 benches in a row with like a big building. And it's just a bunch of different, like Peter Pan, Greyhound, just the best and the brightest.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  We were, I was sitting outside of the venue in Spokane and two dudes got kicked out. And the big manager was like, yeah, they were doing coke in the bathroom. And the guys turn around and are like, we weren't doing coke in the bathroom. We're gay. We were having sex. You're gonna prejudice for having gay sex? And I was like, that's a crazy like pivot. Like, you'd rather be gay than coke? Like, what the fuck?

• 29:57Matt McCusker?

  You'd really want to see the concert.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was, it was a, we, I was, that time I was touring with Yellow Wolf.

• 30:02Matt McCusker?

  Nice.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  There was a Yellow Wolf crowd at that.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Wild, Yellow Wolf is a, he's an interesting cat.

• 30:10Matt McCusker?

  Is he really? I don't really know much about him.

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Man, he's just a, he was one of the first like really like white rappers, you know, from down south that was really kicking ass. And, and, and, you know, he started, like, he's good. He's got a crazy following.

• 30:21Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  I mean, we were doing super sold out shows and he's just, he's a wild man. He's a true like Johnny Cash wild man type, you know?

• 30:29Matt McCusker?

  That's pretty cool.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Pretty cool dude, you know, had a lot of fun. I was touring with him. I had a, signed a group from Dallas I was trying to break and it was, it was terrible on that end, but the tours were fun. Cause Yellow Wolf was the man.

• 30:42Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What is it like? What have you noticed in terms of like the life of a white rapper versus like a black rapper? And like, what is it, what is it like for a white guy? Is it just like?

• 30:51Speaker 02

  My only perspective is my perspective. And like, I very rarely, like, really, I had more problems with like office people in New York. The rift, the rift I saw was being dumb down south Texan, trying to go do business with those guys in New York in the offices. That was the only real like racial thing I saw. Like, like Paul, you know, Paul Wall, he moves freely about, you know, just. Like, I think once you get to that certain stage of artistry, like, like, there's no challenge.

• 31:23Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, nobody really gets a shit.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  I was around Post Malone in the very, very beginning and people. This really reacted negatively to his, you know, I had to do a lot of like defending him like physically, you know, like really.

• 31:37Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, cuz you kind of did, you, what did you connected him with Wiz Khalifa early on?

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Well, so me and Wiz, uh, were, Wiz was doing like a lot of like DJ gigs. So it kind of had, and this was kind of like in, in music when like a lot of like one hit wonders, for lack of better words, were popping up. Like that Up on a Tuesday song, Travis Scott had Mamacita that, and like all these guys were kind of new, Young Thug was on fire. And, uh, so we were constantly like digging the crates per se to find these songs for Wiz to play, like alongside Wiz. He's like, I need, I want to break new music. He didn't want to just play club hits.

• 32:11Matt McCusker?

  Right.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  He wanted to use a platform for like new, new shit, you know? And so we were constantly just trying to find new shit. And then White Iverson came about and, uh, basically just like, I think we found it on SoundCloud. Like, uh, like SoundCloud's algorithm just threw it in front of us.

• 32:29Matt McCusker?

  Whoa.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  And, uh, it was real melodic. It was a great song. And so I was like, wow. And it was also pretty different from anything that's out. And I, I knew that one of the producers on it from, uh, from Atlanta, his name was F K I at first, and he was quite established. He had done stuff with, um, Travis Porter, uh, you know, like all these Atlanta guys. So I was like, okay, so this has some legs and the song was pretty unique. And then I started looking into it. Well, the song had like 300 plays when it came across our SoundCloud. And I played it and I started, I'm just sitting on the laptop. I was like, it's kids from Dallas. And so I was like, oh, white kid, Dallas, gold teeth, braids, like, yeah, this is an emulation.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  And, uh, and so I, I remember I told Wiz these, these guy words, I go, hey, I'm gonna play this song for you. You should play it tonight. It's this kid from Dallas. And like his back to me, he's like, I'm not playing it cuz it's your friend. I was like, no, no, I don't know this guy. And so he, we played it and he was like, oh my God. And so like, uh, we recorded the video of Wiz playing it in the club that night and posted it to Twitter. And then like Mac Miller hit us up like, what is this? Like, oh, that was a good example of like white rappers moving around, like Mac Miller, like.

• 33:43Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  You know, like he had no qualms.

• 33:45Matt McCusker?

  Everyone loved that guy. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know if it was like a, just a thing at first, like getting established. I guess that's what.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Maybe in the very, very beginning, but like by the time you're kind of like out on the road with a following, like all that.

• 33:58Matt McCusker?

  Also too, I think it's pretty brutal for everybody. I'll never forget, I used to work with this guy. And, uh, we were doing demolition. He like came to my house. He was just grabbing some weed and then my, I was like, I happened to be living next to this older guy that I just worked with. It just literally was a coincidence. And he had these kids and his, his one kid was like, had put out like a record. And, uh, I remember my friend comes over and they're all in the car like, yeah, this is our, our kids, you know, he's playing a song, like showing it. My friend stuck his head into, literally stuck his head in the car in the window, listening, went, man, that shit's fucking trash. And then walked into my house and I was like, that was so rude, dude.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's basically the internet.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  He was the first Instagram comment.

• 34:39Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, that shit's fucking trash. And I'm like, dude, they're my neighbors. Why did you just do that to them? That's, that shit sucked.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Mr. YouTube, that's who that was.

• 34:48Matt McCusker?

  It was just like, dude, they're celebrating. But, uh. That was just really, so I guess it's just, yeah, it's, it's probably tough all around until you're established.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  And so like a post had, like, you know, he had a lot visceral reactions. And then like the culture vulture crap was real big and appropriate, all these like terms that didn't exist in my world.

• 35:04Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  I never heard these. No one damn sure ever said those to me. So I kind of just took him under my wing, like, hey, I believe in you. You're a good kid.

• 35:12Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Uh, if anybody says anything crazy to you, give me a call. You just, you know, I mean, I, I just kind of big broed him a little bit. And, uh, and it worked well, like, man, uh, I think like artists like that are magical. And like, I hate saying like, I discovered them in here.

• 35:27Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Because like, I think it's just like already in the clouds, what's gonna happen.

• 35:31Matt McCusker?

  Right, right.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  It's, it's a destiny fulfilled at that point.

• 35:34Matt McCusker?

  Right. You're in the right place, right time.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  I do sometimes wonder, without the, uh, firm fisticuffs that I've laid down, would it have been so easy for them?

• 35:43Matt McCusker?

  What was, and what were some of the fisticuffs that had you laid down?

• 35:46Speaker 02

  Charlamagne the God got him on Breakfast Club and I mean.

• 35:49Matt McCusker?

  I remember you like dressed them down.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I flew up there next week and made sure, like, that wasn't cool, bro.

• 35:55Matt McCusker?

  What'd he say?

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Uh, not too much.

• 36:00Matt McCusker?

  Dude, and you bitch Charlamagne, you're just fucking so fucking cool.

• 36:04Matt McCusker?

  Fuck.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  And then DJ Academics, DJ Academics had some crazy shit. I caught him in an elevator.

• 36:10Matt McCusker?

  Always talking shit.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I caught him in an elevator at 300 Records in New York and I just, and he's a little dude too.

• 36:16Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Well, I, yeah. I, I caught him in an elevator. I go.

• 36:18Matt McCusker?

  Have you vamped on academics?

• 36:20Speaker 02

  I just looked at him. I said, you need to quit talking about posts like that cuz like, you know what could happen right now? And he just was like. And I just, and then it goes ding, and I just walked out.

• 36:31Matt McCusker?

  Damn.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  I was like a, like a tier one operator, like just like, but that was happy. I just was like, I texted him. I was like, oh, bro, I just happened to be in the elevator with this clown. You know what I mean?

• 36:41Matt McCusker?

  Dude, that's hilarious.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  Uh, you know, and like, everything's about, like, I didn't really realize how much of the entertainment, internet stuff was making these guys money.

• 36:50Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Like the academics and all these guys, like, I'm a huge pro wrestling fan, so like now hindsight 2020. I was pretty passionate about Post and protecting them. I probably would have done things eloquently, but still pretty firm with those guys. Because they had a chance to fuck them over, you know, before anything.

• 37:08Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  I wouldn't cool, I don't, I've never been cool with that.

• 37:11Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  People.

• 37:11Matt McCusker?

  He's also such a talented dude. Like you can't deny, he's really, nice dude. I've, I've met him once. He's a super nice guy. This episode is brought to you by Ethos. Once you have a family, you start thinking a little differently about the future. You want to know the people you love would be okay if something happened to you. Ethos makes it easy to get covered online. You can get a quote in seconds, apply in minutes, and there's no medical exam, just a few health questions. Take 10 minutes to get covered today with life insurance through Ethos. Get your free quote at ethos.com slash MSSP. That is E T H O S dot com slash MSSP. Application times may vary, rates may vary.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  Hey everybody, it's me, La Mer. Please, please come hang out at these shows. The Optimal Doctors, every first and third Tuesday at the Creek in the Cave. And then also I'll be in Indianapolis on the 8th for Let's Fest. And then I'll be in Marion, Illinois on, uh, October 10th for Little Egypt Festival. That should be a hoot. And then at the end of the month, I'm gonna be all the way, oh, New Orleans on, uh, October 21st. Yeah. And then in Florida, in Jacksonville, at the River City Comedy on Thursday, 29th. And in Orlando at Alex's Underground on the 31st. Please hang out. La Mer, leave that fun and La Mer try stuff.

• 38:35Matt McCusker?

  Also guys, I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina, October 9th. Uh, then Jacksonville, Florida. I got Atlanta, Chattanooga, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, the big one, Newark, New Jersey. Woo. That's, I don't know why they, they're just, this is a humiliation ritual. It's like a 3,000 seater. Baltimore, Maryland, Columbus, Ohio, Cincinnati, San Diego and Sacramento. Please go to mattmccusker.com. Thank you.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  There's like a real funny, like Reddit internet conspiracy that like compared us, like our trajectories and, uh, what's the internet? What's the anime term? What's it called? Destiny swapped.

• 39:11Matt McCusker?

  Destiny swapped.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're saying, they're saying that I got Destiny swapped with them.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  It's pretty funny. I mean, it is what it is.

• 39:20Matt McCusker?

  Well, hold on, but here's the thing though, dude. I mean, being on the fucking ranch after all that, kind of rules.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  Dude, like.

• 39:29Matt McCusker?

  Let's be honest, man.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  It was my original like life plan. I was a ranch management major in college. It's what my family does. I always knew I was gonna wind up back there. What I didn't think I was gonna happen was have like a 15 year detour in music.

• 39:43Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  And I had a lot of fun. I met a ton of great people, uh, and it went up and down, up and down, trials and tribulations.

• 39:50Matt McCusker?

  Right.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  I don't know if I would, I can't say I wouldn't change a thing. Cause there's a lot of times these days where I damn near have tears in my eyes, how happy I am living now. And I was like, damn, I sure wish I wouldn't have just committed to this 20 years ago and I could be so further along.

• 40:05Matt McCusker?

  Right, that makes sense.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  I was telling that to, I was confiding it to one of my cowboy buddies. And he goes, shoot, man, you might've got burnt out on the cowboy shit and started trying to rap at 40.

• 40:17Matt McCusker?

  I mean.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  That perspective is a motherfucker.

• 40:19Matt McCusker?

  And that's, well, the thing with entertainment is it's like when you're, even if you're not in it, there's this idea that like, it's almost like a spaceship where you're like, you're transported to this like.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Fantastical.

• 40:30Matt McCusker?

  Level of, yeah, like you're just like forever transported to this level of bliss and, but in reality, I feel like it can get very stressful, very like.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Stakes, man.

• 40:39Matt McCusker?

  Very high stakes and it's like, you know, it goes away, all of it, all of it always goes away at some point and that leaves people sad and dejected and it's like, whereas crashing into a ranch and being outside in nature all day with.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Just what the doctor ordered, man.

• 40:54Matt McCusker?

  Dude, that's what I'm saying. It's like I, it's, it's, I understand the, you know, the, the reasoning of like, oh, it'd be so sick to just keep leveling up in entertainment. It's like, I don't know, man. Versus riding around.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Way I looked at it, dude, was that's not what, God put a ceiling on that for me because that's not what I'm, was here to do.

• 41:14Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  That doesn't mean it was bad experience. It doesn't mean it was a mistake. It just mean, uh, I feel like, dude, if I had my hands and discovered one of the most internationally known musicians and I got dirt shit for it. That's a sign, not that someone screwed me over, but it's also a sign from God, like this ain't for me. Go find what's for you.

• 41:36Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  And, and like, this is something that, you know, we'd be on tour and we'd pass by a passenger, but it'd be like, Brick, what, what kind of cows are those out there? You know, it's just something everyone always knew.

• 41:46Matt McCusker?

  Damn, that's so sick.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  And like in 2019 was my last tour with Wiz and like that last tour, everyone knew, I was like, I'm not doing this shit no more. I'm going to the ranch.

• 41:56Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  And so it was like, kind of like a good, it was a great tour because it was 20, it was the 2009 tour, which was currency and whiz. So they reunited. It was a 10 year anniversary. That's like my whole musical family. It felt like a high school reunion for like 56 straight nights. And it was like the perfect, it was the quarterback winning the Superbowl and I'm retiring.

• 42:18Matt McCusker?

  That's awesome.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? So then I did another tour with Yodel Wolf.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  Like a true athlete, go sign with a bullshit team for like the last really, not bullshit, but.

• 42:29Matt McCusker?

  So what was it like transitioning to like full-time ranch life from that? What was it like?

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Uh, a lot of rekindling with like people that I've had in my life that I wasn't really on the forefront with. And a lot of re-acclimating. I've always been around horses. Uh, I've got like family friends that are Olympic showjumpers, professional polo players and, uh, you know, big in the horses. So I've always been on the back of a horse since I could remember.

• 42:54Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Um, and, uh, it just, there's a lot of re-acclimation and a lot of like, you know, when you're learning something to learn it, and then you're learning something because you're passionate about it.

• 43:05Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  And, and like, I, I switched the gears from like playing catch-up to learn stuff to learn it. And then you start soaking things up to be, that you're passionate about. And it just, you just, the revolutions become more, you just have these like epiphanies daily. And that's like, like, wow, now I know what it is to live in your calling.

• 43:24Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  You have these like explosions of like gratitude, of effectiveness, of ability and all these, and it just comes together and it's natural. And it just is like, man, this must be like what fucking Kobe felt like shooting a jump shot.

• 43:40Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  You know, it's just like, ah, of course I'm on earth to do this dumbass, you know?

• 43:43Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  And, uh, and so it just is a lot of that. And then you learn, you hit a certain stage for me, it was like, oh, I look like a fucking idiot. Oh, everyone knows, oh, you know, all this. I don't have my legs or whatever. And then you get to the point where like, everyone out here, this is everyone's first fucking September 27th. You know what I mean? So like, everyone's out here is fucking willy and it, and free, and trying to figure it out. And, and they might have a rhythm better than you at this certain point, but like, it really like killed my ego. And that's when like you really start growing. And I think even if it killed my ego, it would have told me, yes, keep on this path or no, your ego is now killed, but this is not for you.

• 44:25Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Go somewhere else. You know what I mean?

• 44:27Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  So like it just to like walk in that every day is like, uh, you're like, I'm, I'm all in, you know what I mean? And it's a, it's a lifestyle commitment. And I can see like some people get infatuated with the look, but like, it's, you know, like I was, I was talking to a little man, I was like, why do I wear this thing?

• 44:44Matt McCusker?

  Cowboy gear, dude.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  But like, is this what I wear every day? You know, so why would I wear anything different?

• 44:48Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  And just like if I was on the road doing music, you know, I'd walk in wearing what I'd wear on my off day on the road, you know, so.

• 44:55Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. Honestly, I mean, there's, there's not a group, if you ask any profession of any, any, especially with dudes and probably chicks too, of being like, ah, he's a cowboy now. Everyone's going to go.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:07Matt McCusker?

  Fuck, that's so.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Yellowstone.

• 45:09Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. Or just, or there's be like, that's sick. Like no one in the world's going to be like, he's doing what?

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:13Matt McCusker?

  They're going, damn, that's, I'm, I'm fucking gay for not being a cowboy.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:18Matt McCusker?

  That's how I feel. And if I meet one, I'm like, fuck.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  I haven't got like, you know, as far, a lot of people wonder, I, I think I kept it hidden, my frustrations, like, you know, the, like, the post debacle thing was a big pillar, you know, for sure. And, um, I think I hid the, uh, the L I took on that pretty well. I mean, I basically kind of compromised myself in industry for him. And like, I went around and made sure I was compromised for like, you know, I just was just, you know, I was really passionate about making sure they, he didn't get bullied and, and fucked over and probably went a little too hard.

• 45:52Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  And so like, I kind of looked back like, man, like that was all kind of like to no avail, whatever. But I still met like a lot of good people. So, I mean, it is like, to me, I just feel like, like when you walk your line, like you're going to encounter people and, and that same thing's going to happen to you every day until you like complete it, right?

• 46:13Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  And it's going to come in different shapes and forms, whether you're a cowboy or on the road.

• 46:16Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Or you're an artist or a comedian.

• 46:18Matt McCusker?

  I think it's cool too, also to have such a wide kind of breadth of life experience where it's like, and I'm sure the guys you work with are like, dude, that's fucking sick.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  I don't run into too many like, you know, like I was like, people were like, you know, wow, what the hell? Just like how you started, like what? You know what I mean? And, and like now I'm getting like real passionate into like, you know, making good beef and like feeding families.

• 46:40Matt McCusker?

  Dude, I'm, I'm not lying, that steak and I, I'm not just gassing you up. Cause you know, you get steak. I, I get it from the farmer's market here. It's all pretty fresh. It's all good. I fired one of those up, salt, pepper and butter and was like, what the, it was fantastic.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  It's all like.

• 46:54Matt McCusker?

  What, what type of cow do you guys?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a Akaiuchi. Uh, so I run Akaiuchi, which is a Japanese breed. It's not wag, it, it, so what I've been told and what the general nomenclature is, is that all Akaiuchi is wagyu, but not all wagyu is Akaiuchi.

• 47:10Matt McCusker?

  Okay.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  So Akaiuchi was like, quote, the emperor's breed. It was never supposed to leave Japan. It's raised on a mountain region, the Hasso mountain regions. Um.

• 47:18Matt McCusker?

  How the hell did you get them from?

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Uh, there was an importing loophole in the nineties that brought seven over. And from seven, they have expanded the breed and obviously.

• 47:28Matt McCusker?

  How many head, how many head of cattle you got?

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Well, you know, it's not appropriate.

• 47:34Matt McCusker?

  Don't talk, you don't talk about the head of cattle. My bad. You don't want cattle theater.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  I got one too many. How about that?

• 47:40Matt McCusker?

  Fuck. That's so fucking cool.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  God, I got one too many. You want one?

• 47:50Matt McCusker?

  God damn it. I tried to be a cowboy for 30 seconds.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  We're a pretty formal operation.

• 47:55Matt McCusker?

  That's cool.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  You know, and.

• 47:56Matt McCusker?

  So you don't talk about.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  We stay busy. I mean, we're, we're good. You know, I mean, like.

• 48:00Matt McCusker?

  So that's, is that really like, kind of like a?

• 48:02Speaker 02

  It is. My, my great uncle Goldberg, you know, we've all, everyone has been victim of it. You don't know until you get told, right?

• 48:10Matt McCusker?

  So he never asks his in play question.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  But then you're like.

• 48:14Matt McCusker?

  One too many.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  At the same time, like, I'll, I'll, at the same time, like I'll go work for a ranch and like the first thing out of my mouth is like, how many of these motherfuckers we got to do today? So, so it gets broken pretty quick, you know?

• 48:29Matt McCusker?

  And is that just out of like, out of, you just never want anyone to know how many you have or just?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  It's just like, like, how much money you got?

• 48:35Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, I got.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  You know what it's equivalent to is people seeing in your Patreon subscribers.

• 48:40Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. I, I try to hide that as long as we could.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Assuming like $5 a month. Bitch, no.

• 48:45Matt McCusker?

  Say no more.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Patreon takes 95%. Y'all don't know that.

• 48:50Matt McCusker?

  It keeps going up.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Patreon takes it all.

• 48:54Matt McCusker?

  Damn, that's so, I'm so happy. Now that I know that, I can't wait to.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  The best, the best way to act on a ranch is to be eager to learn with also shutting the fuck up.

• 49:06Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. Do you have, how often do you have to like kick guys off the ranch? I'm sure this guy's.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I've worked, I mean, I, we had a herd manager that would be like, had a good night last night. And I'm like, yeah, man, you did it. You look a little hungover. You can go home.

• 49:19Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  You know?

• 49:20Matt McCusker?

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Or had old, an old guy would be like, you forget your razor today? You know, and be like, go shave.

• 49:27Matt McCusker?

  Damn.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  And or some people have like a strict no cussing policy.

• 49:31Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  You don't, you don't cuss on their property.

• 49:33Matt McCusker?

  Wow.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Stuff. And now that's pretty, pretty hard ass.

• 49:36Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  You know, um, but for the most part, like to me, what like, you think it's like a team effort where everyone's like, I'm over here. Hey.

• 49:45Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Make left, right. And I'm like, no.

• 49:47Matt McCusker?

  I'm running point.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  Dude, you shut up, you know, and, and whatever happens, happens. You're supposed to just have this like skill, skillful level.

• 49:55Matt McCusker?

  You're talking about driving them.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, just anything working with cattle is pretty like nonverbal with people.

• 49:59Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 50:00Speaker 02

  People we work with. So like.

• 50:01Matt McCusker?

  What's the formation? Is it like someone up top, someone in the back?

• 50:04Speaker 02

  It's like a sweep. So like, so like, let's just like for, for easy methods. It's a big square pasture. And you'll have, we'll, we'll trot out in a single file line and the guy whose pasture it is, or who, whose property it is, drops people off. Usually the shittier people are dropped along a fence line. So they can use the fence line as a way. And some of your better people are going to be in the middle. It's not always like that, but it's just kind of for a cleaner sweep. And then y'all basically just, you just kind of move like a grader. Like a human grader through the.

• 50:35Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 50:35Speaker 02

  All at once. And you're, you're like whistling back and forth to see where your next man is.

• 50:39Matt McCusker?

  How loud can you whistle?

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Man, I, I do an Indian yelp because I can't whistle. I don't, I have like a genetic deformity because I try to whistle up my dogs and I'm just like. I just can't do it. I just hit it like, yeah.

• 50:53Matt McCusker?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's a little Indian call.

• 50:55Matt McCusker?

  That's awesome.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and you know, and another part of cowboying is, is like, of course we're all trying to be perfect, but like, it's also given like, there's going to be some major fuckups, you know?

• 51:07Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  Your coworker is a bovine with no frontal lobe.

• 51:10Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 51:11Matt McCusker?

  True, true.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  So there's going to be some fuckups.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Sean knows what I'm talking about.

• 51:21Matt McCusker?

  Now you got any shouts on the, on the property?

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Any what?

• 51:24Matt McCusker?

  Any shouts?

• 51:25Speaker 02

  What are shouts? Oh, shoot. My brother's lobbying, you know, my, my brother is, he's a super green thumb agronomist and a great painter. And, um, and he's just like, he's real into the regenerative stuff.

• 51:37Matt McCusker?

  That's awesome.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  And like the real like, kind of like things. So he's lobbying for pigs. And I'm just like, hey, there's like so many feral pigs.

• 51:44Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 51:44Speaker 02

  They're doing it for us already. They're already out there doing it. We don't need to.

• 51:47Matt McCusker?

  You got feral pigs out there?

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Oh, all over.

• 51:49Matt McCusker?

  What is that? They just sneak off the farm and just go bad?

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Uh, I think it's years, like, I think it started, like, there's a few different types of breeds that got loose. I think apparently just the pig itself is just a real like adaptive animal.

• 52:03Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  So you had like Russian boars that were brought over for hunting purposes, like sport hunting, they get loose. And you got like barnyard pigs that get loose and like, they're really smart, you know, they know how to get loose and stuff pretty easy. So they get that kind of pack mentality and get feral. They're just like picking them up like magnets and, and like, you'll see like, you know, it used to happen like when I was younger a lot, but like, it don't really seem too much anymore because there's just so many feral, real deal feral pigs.

• 52:30Matt McCusker?

  Jeez.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  But like, when I was younger, you'd see a group of feral pigs and then here comes like a barnyard sow with the group.

• 52:36Matt McCusker?

  Oh, it's joining.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  And it's just like, like a, like a killer whales, uh, fin when they're domesticated, they're floppy. Ears pig, pigs ears are floppy. And when they get wild, they get firm.

• 52:47Matt McCusker?

  Whoa.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Yep. So they get domesticated, they get furred up. I think it takes them like two weeks for them to get like the fur and not be all that.

• 52:55Matt McCusker?

  What?

• 52:55Speaker 02

  They're real adaptive. Now they're saying like wart hogs are coming up out of South Texas.

• 53:00Matt McCusker?

  And they got the fucking.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  And they're the Timona Pumbaas.

• 53:02Matt McCusker?

  It'll gore you.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, from Africa. I, I think they're pretty dumb and pretty scary.

• 53:08Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 53:09Speaker 02

  But they're destructive as shit. They build like eight foot holes in the ground.

• 53:13Matt McCusker?

  What?

• 53:13Speaker 02

  That's how they got out. They dig under the fences.

• 53:16Matt McCusker?

  That's awesome.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  So that'd be pretty fun.

• 53:18Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. The place I was at with my kids, they had a tortoise that, a tortoise that was let loose. So they're missing their tortoise. Those things burrow.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Probably a hundred and eighty years old too.

• 53:26Matt McCusker?

  He's going to live forever. It's going to outlive all of us.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:29Matt McCusker?

  But yeah, it's a, there's a tortoise on the loose. So if you see a tortoise.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  I, I'll, uh.

• 53:33Matt McCusker?

  Take it back to the Milk and Honey Ranch.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  I'll capture it for you.

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• 55:14Matt McCusker?

  It's pretty crazy.

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• 55:16Matt McCusker?

  Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for app exclusive offers or go to quince.com. Get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns now available in Canada and the UK too. And when Quince asks you where you heard about them, let them know it was Matt and Shane's secret podcast. It's the best way to support the show. So what were you saying? I, I mentioned about bringing my kids there and you were saying something about children and horses.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Oh, I, I, I am huge. I mean, it changed my life as a kid. I think it broadened my horizons for sure, but I really feel like alongside the government mandate, VHS, Lonesome Dove.

• 55:54Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  I really think every child in America should ride a horse, like as like physical education almost.

• 56:01Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  I think there's just, I mean, horses are therapeutic. It's proved.

• 56:05Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Horse can feel your heartbeat from like four or five feet away. It can literally feel your vibe.

• 56:09Matt McCusker?

  Whoa.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  So like, if I'm working with a new horse and I'm like, fuck this horse, I fucking, I don't want to do this. It's feeling that. It's feeling, they're, they're like supreme flight animals. So you, you know, but if I go in there and just, I'm just, I'm not just going to be all lovey dovey, but if I'm just even keeled and really not like showing teeth and being all flustered and heart beating fast and all that, you get a, you get a better response out of that horse.

• 56:33Matt McCusker?

  Dude, how do they, how do they study that?

• 56:36Speaker 02

  How do they?

• 56:36Matt McCusker?

  How do they know they've?

• 56:37Speaker 02

  I think, uh, I think it's done, uh, a lot of good work through PTSD. And through autism. I think they found out through, through therapy, through autism and PTSD, that this has got some kind of calming element.

• 56:50Matt McCusker?

  And that their react, they could probably, they study your heart rate and see how fast it's going.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  But I mean, it's always been like the lore with how to train a horse is that you psychologically, so like the olden days, they would break them physically.

• 57:02Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  By dominating physically, by laying them down.

• 57:05Matt McCusker?

  Oh, really?

• 57:06Speaker 02

  Like, there's a psychological thing that you do where you get a horse and you lay it down and it has this thing in its chemical releases where it thinks it's dying. And then you wake up, wake it up or lift it up and it thinks that you saved its life.

• 57:20Matt McCusker?

  Whoa.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  So it is now bonded to you. So, so it's convinced this guy is not going to hurt me. He's already saved my life. I'll do whatever he says. That's the theory. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

• 57:31Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  And then also just riding the fuck out of them, riding the buck out. These days it's all psychological. Like my main horse was considered a hard start, which meaning he didn't really take to a lot of the psychological things too easily. But they said that the hardest start horses turn out to be the best ones. And this horse, like, I will cry when he dies. I'll fucking get a tattoo of his face on, you know what I mean? He's the man.

• 57:54Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. What's horse's name?

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Bolero.

• 57:57Matt McCusker?

  Fuck. That's fucking awesome.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  And I, I didn't name him, my trainer, Luis Chamal named him, but you can't change, it's bad luck change.

• 58:04Matt McCusker?

  No, yeah, I, yeah, I would never. And, and horses live to what, like 40?

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Uh, different breeds live like, so like the bigger like show jumping horses, they actually are like pretty young and dumb until they're like 10 or 11 years old. They're pretty like dangerous per se because they're so big and powerful. And they don't really start really getting their, what they call collection, where they're really composed and doing what they're doing, collected, you know, all together.

• 58:27Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  So they're like 11 or 12 years old. Quarter horses, what I, you know, ranch horses, uh, a 12 year old quarter horse is kind of an old ranch horse.

• 58:36Matt McCusker?

  Got you.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  Some would say they're in their prime. Others would say it's a little old. It's all preferential. Like, I don't like mares. I don't like female horses. I don't speak mare.

• 58:45Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Single, 43, no kids, of course. The fuck I'm going to try to.

• 58:50Matt McCusker?

  So stallions only?

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Uh, geldings.

• 58:52Matt McCusker?

  Geldings?

• 58:52Speaker 02

  Geldings.

• 58:52Matt McCusker?

  What's the difference?

• 58:53Speaker 02

  Uh, geldings are gelded. They're capitanos, castranos. What are those guys called?

• 59:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're castrated.

• 59:00Matt McCusker?

  Oh, nice.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  So they're terminal basically. So.

• 59:04Matt McCusker?

  Got you.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  And no, um.

• 59:06Matt McCusker?

  When does that happen?

• 59:07Speaker 02

  You can do it whatever. Like I know some people that will geld their studs, seven, eight years down the road, maybe try to get a couple of babies out home and then. Cause studs are very, for the most part, very difficult to manage.

• 59:19Matt McCusker?

  I was about to say, yeah, they must be tough.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  They're very, very difficult.

• 59:21Matt McCusker?

  So they neutered or they just have no piece at all?

• 59:24Speaker 02

  You put them down. No, they have a piece.

• 59:26Matt McCusker?

  Okay, no balls.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:27Matt McCusker?

  Oh, like a dog. Yeah.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:28Matt McCusker?

  I don't know why I thought you cut their whole dick off.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Don't worry. They still have huge dongs.

• 59:34Matt McCusker?

  Thank God. I don't want my money back.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  That's the only reason why I'm here. So there's why I'm here.

• 59:39Matt McCusker?

  Paid to look at a giant dick.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:42Matt McCusker?

  Horses dicks are just so disheartening, man. It's, it's fucking crazy.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  You think you're the man, had a good night, go watch a horse piss.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  Hey shit, it didn't do shit.

• 59:56Matt McCusker?

  Even my, my dog, when it takes a shit, his dick pops out. My wife's always like, oh my.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  That's a strain. You need to go, is this the blind dog?

• 1:00:04Matt McCusker?

  Blind dog. He, he's probably is pushing too hard, but my thing is my wife's like, oh Jackson.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  He can't see.

• 1:00:10Matt McCusker?

  Like give this guy.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Can't see his turd. He doesn't know what's coming out.

• 1:00:12Matt McCusker?

  Feel the wind on his dick. He's taking a shit. Doesn't have any balls. He's taking a shit. Let him feel the wind on his fucking dick. Leave the guy alone. I'm always, I'm always like, yeah, let him stick his dick out, man. He's like, look, turn around. You don't gotta look at it.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  Yep. I have two, my main two dogs, I have an Australian shepherd. He's the man's name is Lou Ellen. Another ironic posthumous fact about me and him is he also has a dog that he named Lou Ellen.

• 1:00:35Matt McCusker?

  What?

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  After mine, I think. But it's from No Country, my favorite movie.

• 1:00:41Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Is No Country For Old Men, which is also another irony, probably his favorite movie.

• 1:00:45Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  We're, we're kindred spirits.

• 1:00:47Matt McCusker?

  You guys are kindred spirits.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  We're just a little adversarial right now.

• 1:00:49Matt McCusker?

  I didn't know you were adversarial. I would never brought it up.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean, it's all good. Cause you know, like, hey Austin, you know, but uh, it's, it's just, uh, it is what it is, you know? So, but uh.

• 1:01:02Matt McCusker?

  Although it's a cowboy without an adversary.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  It came from, yeah, true, true. Like, you know, Indians and outlaws, man.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  I don't know who's the true, uh, who's the outlaw, who's the sheriff in this? But uh, but no, so I have Lou Ellen and then uh, my other dog is, we suspect is like, got a little coyote in her. We don't, we don't really know.

• 1:01:24Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  We thought we knew, but she's acting like we don't know, but she's uh, her name is Sheriff Ed Tom Bell, which was the sheriff in No Country.

• 1:01:32Matt McCusker?

  Sick.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  So we just call her Belle.

• 1:01:34Matt McCusker?

  Do you deal with coyotes out there? I'm sure.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  So unfortunately I read the Wyatt Flores book Coyote America and closed the book and said, hmm, coyotes ain't that bad. And so like, I don't really have this thing with coyotes. I've seen them and I just kind of go like, hey, get on out of here.

• 1:01:51Matt McCusker?

  Get out of here.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  I'm just not too big on, on um, run around with guns.

• 1:01:55Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  I just, I'm not that, I'm not a gun guy. I'm not, I'm not a blow somebody's brains out.

• 1:01:59Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  I just, I can just, hell, if I see pigs, I'd rather rope them off my horse than to shoot them. It's more fun.

• 1:02:06Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, I agree. I'm not a, I mean, as, as sick as guns are, are they sound and look? I am kind of like, I see them and I'm like, ugh.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm just not, I mean, like, I understand the hobby and I, I get the effectiveness and I think everyone should have a gun.

• 1:02:19Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Cause it sure does. I'd rather get caught with one than, you know what I mean?

• 1:02:25Matt McCusker?

  You don't feel the need to blow a coyote's brains out?

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  I'm just not one of these guys that's just strapped to the tees out there. Yeah. And I don't really hunt or anything like that.

• 1:02:31Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. No, I, my uh, one of my brothers is dealing with coyotes, coyotes right now. So he's.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  It's a pain in the ass.

• 1:02:37Matt McCusker?

  He's getting a big ass, he has, he has a little dog, so he's, I'm gonna get a big dog.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  See, and that's like, like if I had dogs I had to defend, I'd have a different mindset about coyotes. Cause they, they're, they, they're.

• 1:02:47Matt McCusker?

  Go fuck them, yeah.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  Especially if they think they got the drop on whatever situation, they will not, you gotta kill them.

• 1:02:53Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Then they'll keep coming back.

• 1:02:55Matt McCusker?

  Nah, he's just getting a big dog. He's only getting one big one. Body chaser.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Pyrenees, big white ones?

• 1:02:59Matt McCusker?

  Yep.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's a lot of those out there. And I mean, I've seen them in work. I mean, that is incredible.

• 1:03:04Matt McCusker?

  Pyrenees are sick.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:06Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, I just, I ran into a couple of ranch pyrenees, it's not too long ago.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  I have a buddy that's in the hill country. It's big goat ranch, like 10,000 acres, huge. I mean, him and the Indians have been the only people on the property. We find arrowheads out there all the time. It's incredible. And they have like a fleet of army dogs that are just constantly fucking coyotes up.

• 1:03:25Matt McCusker?

  Really? They'll fuck the goats up?

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:28Matt McCusker?

  Dude, that's the one thing I also get jealous of is the guys who have those, like I'll bring goats to clear out your land.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  That, that seems pretty fun.

• 1:03:35Matt McCusker?

  Oh my God, dude. Just acres of shit. Just you drop like six goats, wait a week and they just, they'll just eat every, everything.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Goats are pretty groovy.

• 1:03:44Matt McCusker?

  Goats rock.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  I have a buddy who he runs, he does contracts for solar farms where he runs sheep on the solar farms to, for, for grazing the grass. And that's a pain in the ass because sheep try to find ways to die. They fucking, the dumbest animal on earth. Oh my God. You can't do goats because they climb on the solar panels.

• 1:04:03Matt McCusker?

  Oh, yeah, they fuck around. Goats do fuck around a little too much.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Yep. So I've had some experience, like I, I'll take my dogs out to his solar fields to work the dogs. Cause it's, you know, it's like 4,000 acres. So it's, it's huge vast land. You gotta move those sheep over. And so it's a lot of fun and it's great work for the dogs.

• 1:04:21Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  It's perfect work.

• 1:04:22Matt McCusker?

  Tires them out.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Just get them all tuned up and shit.

• 1:04:25Matt McCusker?

  They'll kind of nip their heels and keep them.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:27Matt McCusker?

  Damn. So why do they have to, what do they have to clear out for solar panels? The grass basically?

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Grass.

• 1:04:31Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  Which was like, why didn't y'all just lay fucking rock down?

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Dumb.

• 1:04:37Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  So dumb. And I, everyone I've, every solar field I've looked at, I've been like, these would are real well on the top of buildings.

• 1:04:45Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Like, I don't understand. Why are we using acres of grass?

• 1:04:50Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, that is really weird, actually.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of that.

• 1:04:53Matt McCusker?

  I guess if they're, if they really laying acres of solar panel?

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Oh, thousands.

• 1:04:57Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Thousands, yeah. Oh yeah. There's one right here off 290. It's 1,500 acres. Yeah.

• 1:05:02Matt McCusker?

  Damn.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  And then uh, there's, there's like a lot of much to do about data centers in my area. Same type of concept. My whole thing with that is like, look at your cell phones. When cell phones first got invented, those things were gigantic.

• 1:05:14Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  And then within a decade, they shrunk down.

• 1:05:16Matt McCusker?

  It's gonna shrink, yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  So did we just build like a bunch of really high tech chicken houses? You know?

• 1:05:21Matt McCusker?

  That's a good point.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Storage is good.

• 1:05:23Matt McCusker?

  They'll probably just keep packing them with more and more of that smaller shit. But still, yeah, I've heard, have you noticed anything with them or like?

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  I've, there's a, there's so, the biggest thing I've noticed is the politics behind it.

• 1:05:34Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  And like, I'm pretty apolitical. Like, I don't really, I don't really participate in this voting thing too much. But uh, but I mean, like locally I do. And I think the biggest problem I have with it is like, these like Yahoo county commissioners, they're basically in these rural counties. They were voted into, most of the time, what is it called when you don't run against anybody? At large?

• 1:05:58Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, maybe at large. I don't know.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever. Like most time they're running, not running against anybody. And the majority of their job is road and bridge. So they're just there to maintain the roads. And now all of a sudden, this is who's making votes for tax abatements for billion dollar data centers.

• 1:06:14Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, well, the money's gotta be insane.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  I mean, my county just ran a commissioner out because they uncovered a bunch of emails of him trying to get the, the data center to, to sponsor the town's like fall frolic. And everyone's like, get the fuck out of here. And so like, and, and then, you know, there's all, of course with NDAs, you just don't know who's on the right, who's on the wrong.

• 1:06:36Matt McCusker?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Like, of course, private property, private property, but like, it's kind of like your private property rights in where mine begin.

• 1:06:44Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  So like, if you're my neighbor and I put a fucking gigantic 24 hour skate park on your fence line, you might like skateboarding, but you're gonna fucking hate that shit.

• 1:06:54Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  At three, four in the morning.

• 1:06:56Matt McCusker?

  For sure, yeah.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  So it's the same type of shit. It's just that like, I see like, I see it being a political clusterfuck. And like, that's what kind of turns me off and make me be like, how about all y'all fuck off?

• 1:07:08Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  And, and solar fields is like the less invasive version of that. Cause at the end of the day, I think you could probably rip those things up and it goes back to dirt. But man, these data centers are like about the size of small airports.

• 1:07:22Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, they're massive.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Huge. There's no coming back from that.

• 1:07:25Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, they're poor, all that concrete and all that stuff.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  28 inch pad, you know what I mean? So I just, I, I don't, I just kind of look at it like, ah.

• 1:07:36Matt McCusker?

  What do you think about all the lab grown meat stuff they're trying to do?

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  I, I don't, I mean, for me, raising a high quality product that I see and touch and feel every day, all the competition is the better, put that bullshit up against.

• 1:07:49Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, true. Yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  You know, I'm not, you know, it's not gonna be high quality. And like, the, a lot of like with, you know, Trump fuck around and knew what he was doing with this imported beef. Because that two weeks of those, all those reaction periods from him saying that, I sold out for two years on reservations.

• 1:08:09Matt McCusker?

  Did you really?

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:10Matt McCusker?

  And then, what did he do exactly?

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  He just made an announcement. To me, it was, to me, he, it looked like he was told to say these words because he has, as we know, he has a big time mincing words. And so he minces technical words. And that's why I was like, oh, so you know, Brooke Rollins or somebody is probably not happy with how he delivered this. Because it's, it's a bunch of like word salad as far as the agriculture industry is concerned.

• 1:08:35Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  He didn't really say much. And so you had to read between the lines. Like he said, ground beef product. Well, you know what ground beef product is? It's not ground beef. What makes beef? Cows.

• 1:08:47Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  So the majority of a commercial beef operation, your ground beef is coming off a old cow. It's just the, you're not getting ground beef off of the prime grade badass steers, you know, and all this stuff. The ground beef is coming off of old bulls and old cows that can't reproduce anymore. And that's a pretty general thing in commercial beef. And I'm not trying to disparage commercial beef. They feed millions of people.

• 1:09:15Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  But it's just the fact, heck, at my ranch, if my bull breaks its leg, I have, I can either bury it and say, thank you, or I can take it down to the processor and grind it up, you know, have it processed and grind it up and have ground beef.

• 1:09:31Matt McCusker?

  Snap it to a slim jim.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Right. So the thing is, is like, they are only ground beef, cows, older, older cows and bulls because of with bulls, the testosterone, it really kind of makes the meat gamier. And just an older cow has a different muscle structure than, you know, we're processing these steers, 18 to 30 months old. So that's less than three years old. And most of your ground beef product is going to be from animals that are six to 10 years old. So it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's a way, it's the end of life for that animal.

• 1:10:03Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  And it's a way, it's a byproduct from that animal spent and it's still viable.

• 1:10:07Matt McCusker?

  Gotcha.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  But it's not, so when Trump says like, ground beef product from Argentina, he's importing, he just basically, it sounds like United States bought a fuck ton of old ass Argentinean cows.

• 1:10:19Matt McCusker?

  Oh.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  They're gonna fill these feedlots up. Cause we're, we're at a national shortage on cattle, United States.

• 1:10:25Matt McCusker?

  So funny, cause you drive from Austin to any other big city, it's nothing but.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Texas is the least affected by that number. Uh, we, we still have one of the most cattle. So we're, the, the number is really hard to see in Texas nationwide. So where you'll see it in the Midwest and the feedlot, like I've worked in feedlots in the Midwest and Colorado and stuff. And, and like, you'll see it there. Instead of these things being packed to the gills with 14, you know, there'll be a 14,000 animal facility, but there'll only be 8,000 in there.

• 1:10:53Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Which, you know, husbandry wise, I don't mind because that gives these animals more space. And then you'll see the pivot and those, these feedlots will advertise, we have more square footage per space for your steer, but it's, it's kind of like, come on down to the show, we've got plenty of parking.

• 1:11:09Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:12Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, you, you do, uh, you see that when they get real technical with the chickens and all that stuff, like, oh, it's free range. And you see the asterisk, it's like, each one has about five feet.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Well, the funny thing about those, uh, broiler hens is that those things are bred to sit inside. They can't stand outside for too long. They are stark white. They're basically, um, albino.

• 1:11:32Matt McCusker?

  Really?

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. They can't really deal with outside too long.

• 1:11:35Matt McCusker?

  And that they're bred that's.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  They're bred to be bigger, they're bred to be food. They're bred to sit in the coop and eat. So they're kind of doing what they're bred to do.

• 1:11:43Matt McCusker?

  That's crazy.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. The outside shit, yeah. And it, a wild chicken, like eating, like a meat chicken that's on the farm is gonna have, it's gonna be smaller, obviously. And there's not gonna be like, like you would be able to knock out a whole chicken.

• 1:11:58Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:11:59Matt McCusker?

  Oh, trust me, I can.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  Well, like, as opposed to like getting a rotisserie chicken for your family, like from Costco, it's probably gonna put a pretty dent in the day.

• 1:12:06Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's, they're bred to be just indoor. It's an indoor, it's like an indoor cat.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Matt McCusker?

  But a chicken.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Right. So it's kind of like, eh, but also I don't really know what they're feeding those things.

• 1:12:18Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, that's kind of the question, I guess.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  And then like, you go buy some of these commercial chicken houses, the feed houses that they, you know, these trucks pull up to get the feed from. And it's like, it's like Fort Knox. They don't, yeah, they don't let, you don't, you can't just wander off in there. Cause it, I don't, I mean, I'm sure they're feeding them probably food products, I hope. But it's just, it just probably is.

• 1:12:42Matt McCusker?

  You don't know, yeah.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  The process is probably so crazy, they just don't want people to put eyes on it.

• 1:12:46Matt McCusker?

  True, yeah. No, yeah, that's, I mean, it is, it's, once you see it, you're like, oh, fuck, I can't.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  And I think, that's why I think cattle is probably the most honest protein because it's like, you want to see what I'm feeding it, go walk outside. All that shit you can't eat, they're turning that, they're, they're upcycling that into protein.

• 1:13:02Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Cattle, 70 something percent of what cattle eat, humans can't, uh, digest, that it's inedible.

• 1:13:08Matt McCusker?

  What the hell are they eating? I thought it was grass.

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  Uh, they're pretty biodiverse. Uh, they'll eat veggies, any types of vegetation, most vegetations. And they actually got a pretty good nose to see what's toxic for them. And they'll avoid like the thorny stuff and stuff like that, but flowers,

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  you know, crops, cover crops, grass.

• 1:13:28Matt McCusker?

  Gotcha.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Uh, if you even look on cattle pastures in the tree lines, there, there's a browse line on these trees, they're eating the trees. If I cut a oak tree branch down, the cows will run to it and start eating that shit like it's a buffet.

• 1:13:41Matt McCusker?

  Damn.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Not like the branch, but like the leaves.

• 1:13:44Matt McCusker?

  I know, you mean the leaves and stuff.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, they'll pick it clean.

• 1:13:46Matt McCusker?

  And then you just gotta keep moving them while the grass grows back.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  And then you practice rotational grazing and, and like, a good cowman's really like a grass man. Like you're really concerned with the soil. That's why I love having my little brother around, cause he's super passionate about the dirt. And like, he, he can critique my operation without even seeing my cows. Cause he'll be like, man, I know they're not doing good. Look at this poor soil, like that grass doesn't have what they want. And you need to put mineral in here for them. They're not gonna have this, this grass is stripped, blah, blah. So like, he's helping, it's all about that, you know, cause you'll be like, well, I mean, they're in knee high grass, but well, all that grass is seeded out. There's nothing in it. All the, all the good stuff's in the seed head.

• 1:14:25Matt McCusker?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  So he just, it's made me really, it's a little bit more complicated than, cause you, you have to like mitigate their risk. Their cows are really good eaters and they're pretty fucking dumb at everything else.

• 1:14:36Matt McCusker?

  Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  So like, you have to like mitigate the risk at all times.

• 1:14:40Matt McCusker?

  So you're seeding just for like a variety of things they can eat?

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  Right. And then, you know, just to kind of like, to make sure that grows back, you know, you don't want it, so like cows eat in like a sweeping motion. And so their schmooze, their, their, their snot and their, when they eat their saliva actually helps, it stimulates that plant sugar to like, say, we need to grow again. So if they eat below that, then the, the, the grass goes into a panic and it just shells up, you know, just is like in a shock. But if they, if you keep, keep eating where they naturally want to eat the tops of the grass, and you keep them moving off, that it sends the signal to that grass down to the roots, like, hey, there, we got a problem up top. We need, we need to.

• 1:15:22Matt McCusker?

  And it just sprays up.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Send the sugars up. And so it'll, it'll grow right back. But if you continue pummeling that, and cattle are real selective. So they'll come back to the same spot. Ah, man, remember that one spot over there? That was good. Let's go back over there. And they'll eat that shit down to the ground. It might be where you threw them some like protein cubes or it might've been just like a nice, you know, little patch. They'll eat that shit down, but if you were able to move them off in 24 hours, then that has already started recovering.

• 1:15:49Matt McCusker?

  And no graze, yeah. No, I never even thought about that part. Probably just give them grass and fucking wait and.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Well, technically, yes.

• 1:15:57Matt McCusker?

  But no, you gotta really be conscious of what they're eating.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Just like, uh, man, there's something to it about watching a cow eat too. Like just, it's just like a real like, ah.

• 1:16:06Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  When they're, when you see something doing their job, you know, and happy, healthy and productive. And like, it all starts with good grass, having that. And so I've mistakenly become like real knowledgeable on grasses and can be like, oh, yeah. And just like pHs and, you know, and like just getting real into that because it's a big part of it, you know?

• 1:16:27Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. If you scorch the fucking whole ranch, that would, that's like a massive fuck up.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or, I mean, and, and, and, yes.

• 1:16:36Matt McCusker?

  Yes. When I, I remember when I would cut the grass all the time growing up, I'd be like, I'm gonna drop the deck and fucking cut this shit as low as possible.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Underneath it?

• 1:16:43Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, and it burns the fucking, the grass is brown. They're like, what the fuck do you do? And I'm like, I dropped the deck all the way down so I didn't have to do it.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:50Matt McCusker?

  But if you did that to like acres and acres.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Scalped it, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's just real interesting of, of what's like symbiotic to what, you know, and like, you, you, we don't use any herbicides or pesticides and no synthetic fertilizers. And the biggest observation I've seen is, uh, bird life, bird and bug. Like you see just this like orgy of birds above the grass, just snacking on bugs all day. And my brother was like, that's a healthy pasture right there. Like all these bugs flying around everywhere. Like he doesn't understand somebody walking out in the pasture and seeing a caterpillar and like, ah, I'm gonna need to spray this pasture.

• 1:17:29Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  He doesn't understand that shit. And I don't either because, I mean, it's all, what, like cows aren't a monocrop animal. They're not eating just one type of grass. They're, they're eating everything. If they like it, they love it, you know? So I wanted to just promote that with them. And my brother's been showing me, like, you know, you know where your stuff's good by the bugs and the birds. So like, these birds are just will, you know, return to these good areas once you practice good husbandry on the land.

• 1:17:57Matt McCusker?

  Oh, okay. I didn't really, so they'll spray for caterpillars and shit?

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. They're called army worms. It's like a, uh, like a, uh, what are the larvae version?

• 1:18:05Matt McCusker?

  And they're worried they're gonna eat the grass?

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  Well, they do. They eat certain grasses. They'll eat them down. But, you know, if you have an abundance and if you're kicking ass and you've got birds that'll swoop down and eat that shit. And, you know, you can have things work for you, like, like people around my area hate having barn swallow nests for whatever reason. But I'm like, dude, I looked it up. A barn swallow eats like 3,000 flies a day.

• 1:18:30Matt McCusker?

  Damn.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  So I'm like 3,000, 6,000, like fly, and, and like, right by my horse barn. And I didn't, I had to spray my horses for flies like twice this summer. Like that's it.

• 1:18:41Matt McCusker?

  That's nice.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  And most people have to spray them every day, you know, cause they just get attracted to the flies.

• 1:18:45Matt McCusker?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  So I'd noticed that big time. And that's, and my brother's just always just, you know, always scoreboarded me like, yeah, idiot. I was like, whoa, you know, I'm still astonished. And he's just like, finally it's working.

• 1:18:57Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, yeah. So that's awesome, dude.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. It's, it's a lot of fun out there.

• 1:19:01Matt McCusker?

  Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm telling you, I'm gonna go out for sure. I gotta check it out.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  We have to get Lamar on a horse.

• 1:19:06Matt McCusker?

  Dude, we do. Lamar, have you ever rode the horse?

• 1:19:11Matt McCusker?

  Gotta hop up there. We'll get you like chaps and a little English helmet. Like an old fox hunter.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  I want a, I want a little horse.

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  That'd be great.

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  Just a little, I want a little tiny horse.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  No, we're gonna get you a warhorse. Get you one of those like huge warhorses that they rode into the Trojan War on.

• 1:19:33Matt McCusker?

  Well, dude, thanks for doing it, man.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  Man, I love, tons of fun. Guys are great.

• 1:19:36Matt McCusker?

  If there's anything you want to shout out, shout it out. If not, we didn't know.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  If you have any questions about beef, you can hit me up on, uh, Instagram, Brick Mason, B R I C Mason. And, uh, the ranch page is beef raised right.com. And, um, catch me opening for Matt now.

• 1:19:56Matt McCusker?

  Yeah, hell yeah, dude.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  Bye.

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