Pod Insights The School of Greatness The REAL Reason You're Unhappy In Life & How to Overcome It About this episode Leave an Amazon Rating or Review for my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Sadhguru returns with profound wisdom about living fully by embracing our mortality. After surviving two life-threatening brain surgeries in 2024, the renowned yogi shares his extraordinary near-death experience and why consciousness of death transforms how we live. He breaks down the difference between psychological drama and actual life experience, revealing how most people suffer because their own intelligence turns against them. He also introduces his new Miracle of Mind app, designed to address the mental health pandemic and explains the eight types of memory that shape human experience. Anyone struggling with anxiety, seeking deeper meaning, or wanting to live more consciously will find this conversation life-changing. Download the Miracle of Mind appBuy the book Death: Only for Those Who Shall Die-a Yogi's Guide to Living, Dying, and BeyondBuy the book Inner Engineering: A Yogi's Guide to JoyBuy the book Karma: A Yogi's Guide to Crafting Your DestinyIn this episode you will learn:Why pleasantness in body, mind, emotion and energy is 100% your business while external success requires cooperation from othersHow consciousness of mortality eliminates time for things you don't genuinely care about and creates natural humilityThe difference between psychological drama (your thoughts and emotions) versus actual life process and why confusing them causes sufferingWhy your intelligence becomes your enemy when you don't know how to operate it, leading to stress, anxiety and mental illnessHow the eight types of memory create your sense of identity, but aren't actually youFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1800For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Sadhguru – greatness.lnk.to/1117SCDr. Caroline Leaf – greatness.lnk.to/1785SCDr. Rangan Chatterjee – greatness.lnk.to/1716SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX
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0:00 Speaker 00 What is our purpose? Why are we here? What happens when we die? All these questions, I don't know the answers to. But I do know that we can learn from history, we can learn from our personal experiences, and we can create meaning around all these different things. And today, we bring back the inspirational spiritual leader Sadhguru to share some of these lessons that he's learned from his spiritual practice and all the teachings that he's done to millions of people around the world. He's a visionary, a spiritual teacher, and we explore the essence of living and dying with awareness.
0:40 Speaker 00 We dive deep into what it really means to live a good life beyond material success or spiritual performance. We also talk about how to challenge yourself to rethink what you're really chasing in life and hopefully to inspire you to live fully, not for attention, not for likes, not just for money, for money's sake, but why are you living the current life you're living now? And what do you want to really be doing? We talk about the meaning of health, peace, love, and bliss, and how to cultivate all of them, not from the outside, but on the inside. I am so grateful to be alive today. I'm so grateful that you are here today, listening to this,
1:23 Speaker 00 being a part of this School of Greatness community, because we are on this journey together. And believe me, for the last, I don't know, 20, 30 years of my life, I just struggled with so many things internally. I suffered, I struggled, I questioned things, I doubted people, I doubted my reason for existence. I didn't understand why things happened the way they happened. I didn't understand why I was going through so much pain at different times. And it just was hard. And if you're going through one of those moments right now where you feel like, man, it's just hard. I don't know why, I don't know the answers. I don't know what the purpose is for this. I think this might inspire you. It might be something that you can take away from this conversation that hopefully opens you up.
2:08 Speaker 00 Now Sadhguru is also, you know... Can go down a rabbit hole sometimes. So, take with everything that you get out of this that resonates with you. And just be willing to explore and try anything on. And whatever works for you to support you in your inner peace, your inner harmony, that's what this is intended for. You're designed to experience life. We get to choose how we want to experience it and how we want to perceive the experience, which is the hardest thing to do. Because you could be going through a very challenging time, a lot of adversity, a lot of loss, grief, frustration.
2:49 Speaker 00 But for whatever reason, you could perceive it and still be joyful, peaceful and happy. You could be making all the money in the world, have all the success, fame, and be perceiving it with a lot of sadness and depression still. Life is about our experiences and how we perceive our experiences. We don't know all the answers, but we can ask questions. And we can perceive things in different ways to create more peace for ourselves today. So I hope you enjoy this with the one and only Sadhguru. Before we go into death, I'd love for you to talk about how to live a good life, because I think that's what's most interesting for a lot of people.
3:30 Speaker 01 See, when you say a good life, different people have different ideas. For someone, good life is a certain kind of home, certain kind of family, certain kind of automobile. All right, it's very important.
3:48 Speaker 00 Or motorcycle.
3:49 Speaker 01 Or whatever. So, essentially, why we are gathering all these things? Or for somebody else, it may be a religious practice, or their aspirations to go to heaven, whatever. Essentially, a human being is looking for pleasantness of experience.
4:11 Speaker 00 Yes.
4:13 Speaker 01 We might have talked about this earlier, but let me touch upon that.
4:18 Lewis Howes? Yes.
4:19 Speaker 01 See, if you become pleasant in your body, we call this health. You want it?
4:25 Lewis Howes? Absolutely.
4:27 Speaker 01 You must say yes.
4:28 Lewis Howes? Yes.
4:29 Speaker 01 Not to me, to every cell in your body.
4:31 Lewis Howes? Yes, yes.
4:32 Speaker 01 It's very important. They're listening to you.
4:35 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
4:36 Speaker 01 You say the wrong things, they'll do wrong things. So pleasantness of the body is called health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it pleasure.
4:48 Lewis Howes? Mm-hmm.
4:48 Speaker 01 Yes?
4:48 Lewis Howes? Absolutely.
4:49 Speaker 01 Pleasaness of the mind is called peace. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it joy. Pleasaness of emotion is called love. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion. If your very life energies become pleasant, we call this bliss. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant, we call it success. Only to create pleasantness of our surroundings, we need the cooperation of everybody and many, many forces around us. It is a talent, you have to harness
5:31 Speaker 01 all these things to create pleasantness in the surroundings. But pleasantness of the body, pleasantness of the mind, emotion and energy is 100% your business. That business of being pleasant is forgotten by a vast majority of human beings.
5:49 Lewis Howes? Why is it forgotten?
5:50 Speaker 01 I'll come. Because they have forgotten that they are mortal. If they... When I say mortal or mortality, what it means is you are on a limited lease of time and energy.
6:07 Speaker 01 Time is a ruthless roll. It's rolling for all of us at the same pace. You're happy, it rolls. You're unhappy, it rolls. You're successful, it rolls. You're a failure, it rolls. You're awake, you're asleep, it rolls. Do whatever you want, it rolls. You don't have brakes on it. Nor do you have a rewind set on it. It's just ruthlessly rolling away. As we sit here, in the last five minutes, both of us are closer to our graves by five minutes. This is the nature of life. If you're conscious that I am mortal every moment, then you will see how to make the best out of everything.
6:49 Speaker 01 Above all, you will have no time to do things that you don't care for. Yes. If you are doing genuinely what you truly care for, and I am also doing genuinely what I truly care for, you will see, your life will be beautiful, my life will be beautiful, the world will be beautiful. Right now, too many people are doing what they don't care a damn about. Because you're doing something, I have to do something against that or for that. Either I have to follow you, follow you, or I have to beat you. This nonsense has led people away. Because why people are not aware of their mortality is...
7:32 Speaker 01 See, this whole development of your brain and your intellect is very recent happening. Maybe hundred, thousand, or, I don't know, maybe a quarter million years, probably. I don't know the exact time. Sure. But it's more recent. So, we've still not gotten used to our intelligence. Right now, you can say many things, but essentially what human beings are suffering is, their own intelligence has turned against them. That's all. You can call it stress, anxiety, depression, this, that. I was talking to some top psychiatrists in UK and they said there are seventy-two varieties of mental ailments. It's crazy. I was surprised. I thought maybe half a dozen. Right. Seventy-two, yeah.
8:16 Speaker 01 Seventy-two. I asked, "What are the seventy-two?" They went, "Oh, I'm giving me the list." One thing stuck in my mind. It seems compulsive nose picking is one of them. They start bleeding in the nose, but they can't stop. Okay. So, right now, what is torturing a human being is their own intelligence. If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be quite peaceful. And you would be eco-friendly also, which the California people are trying very hard.
8:50 Speaker 01 So, this whole problem is, this transition from being an ape to human being happened rather too quickly.
9:01 Speaker 01 In terms of DNA manifestation, according to the DNA scientists, the difference between you and a chimpanzee is only 1.23%. 1.23% is not much, isn't it? So physiologically, that's how close you are to a chimpanzee. But in terms of intelligence and awareness, you're worlds apart. So, you have an intelligence for which you don't have a stable enough base, of physiological and chemical base, you're like fluctuating. If you don't stabilize that, your intelligence will turn against you, and that's all you're seeing. And in this intelligence turning against you, the...
9:43 Speaker 01 One of the most important factors is that we have forgotten we are mortal. Our societies... In India, it's very common, right from childhood, we take them to cremation grounds to see that people die. Everybody should know that you die one day. Here, we mask it. Even when the man is dead, dead, he is dressed in a suit and tie. It looks like he's going somewhere, he's going to a party. And actually, a lot of people are describing, he's going to a party, all his friends and relatives are waiting there, he's going to have a big party. If there's such a big party, why are you not gone, I'm asking?
10:22 Speaker 01 If there is such a party, you must go first. Why are you telling me to go?
10:27 Lewis Howes? Right, right.
10:29 Speaker 01 So fairy tales and fairy tales has made people build castles in the air, which are not true. And they may sustain you to an ordinary day. If it's a moment of death, it freaks the hell out of you.
10:45 Lewis Howes? Hmm. So in India, what is the culture like with death? You say when you're younger, you're showing it more frequently? Or how is the approach to it?
10:53 Speaker 01 See, we don't hide death. Slowly, we are getting into urban cities are getting into western ways, all right? Otherwise, we cremate people. And it's a thing where the whole family goes.
11:04 Lewis Howes? And sees it?
11:05 Speaker 01 Sees it.
11:05 Lewis Howes? Watches it?
11:06 Speaker 01 Yes, yes, sir.
11:07 Lewis Howes? Wow.
11:08 Speaker 01 Watches it. If you want to go on a spiritual path, the first thing is you must go and sit in the cremation grounds and watch. Because you become spiritual, not because you think of God. You become spiritual when you realize you're mortal. When you realize one day you're going to end, naturally you want to know what is beyond? Where did I come from? Where will I go? What is the nature of my life? This is a natural question in human intelligence. If you mask it as if it's never going to happen, then you, that question never arises within you. This is a great disservice we have done to humanity by telling them fairy tales and masking the whole process of death. It's a reality.
11:52 Speaker 01 When I say death, I'm not talking about it as an event that happens once in, at the end of your life.
11:58 Lewis Howes? Every day, every moment we're dying.
11:59 Speaker 01 It is happening. It is happening right now. You're in tango. Life and death are in tango. I can say I'm living. I can also say I'm dying. It's the same thing. Because there is some negative connotation to the word death, if you say you're dying, it's supposed to be something wrong. No, no, we are all dying kind.
12:18 Lewis Howes? All dying kind.
12:19 Speaker 01 We're all dying kind. I must tell you this. You know, as a part of, because I felt that post-death, the way the services had become in many cities and towns in India, we set up lot of crematoriums as a service. Volunteer service, it's free of cost for people who can't afford and everything.
12:40 Speaker 01 So this, I named it with a Sanskrit word called Kayantastanam. It means a place where the body ends.
12:49 Speaker 01 So our volunteers came up and said, "Sadhguru, this is Sanskrit name. Not everybody can understand. Can you give an English byline?" I said, "Okay, kayanta sthanam, everybody is a customer."
13:03 Lewis Howes? That's true.
13:05 Speaker 01 Everybody is.
13:06 Lewis Howes? That's true.
13:06 Speaker 01 They said, "No, no, no, Sadhguru, this is too much up in the face. Say something else." I said, "Okay, kayanta sthanam, we shall wait." "We shall wait. You will come." "Maybe I'll go before you, but you will come anyway." "We must know this every moment of our life, that the way we are right now is not a permanent fixture. You are not a permanent fixture on this planet. Countless number of people before you and me have come and gone. They also thought they are very smart. I don't know whether they were podcasters or not, but I am sure they were something great in their own nonsense."
13:50 Speaker 01 "Everybody thought they are great. They were kings and emperors and all. Where are they? All topsoil." And that's how it should be. That's how it should be. If you or me are a permanent fixture on this planet, it's unbearable. At least the world needs respite from us.
14:10 Lewis Howes? I mean, you went through, was it two brain surgeries last year?
14:14 Speaker 01 Yes, I banged up my head a bit.
14:16 Lewis Howes? When you had those brain surgeries, or when you went into those, were you afraid of death, or were you afraid what might happen next?
14:26 Speaker 01 You can see that it's all recorded. So I started having excruciating pain in my head in the month of, end of January 2024. And, but I had full engagements, so I went on. I don't take painkillers. Because I want to know what's happening.
14:47 Lewis Howes? Yeah, me too.
14:48 Speaker 01 If I take painkiller, then I don't know what's happening. I may be causing damage, and I will not know. It became excruciating where like, one side is like almost paralyzed with pain. Yeah, but I kept on with all the activity, lot of travel inside the country. Then on March 10th, I think, 8th, 8th, March 8th is the Mahashivratri, full night festival.
15:14 Speaker 01 Before that, I've been traveling up and down the country. It's a full night celebration. I'm in lots of pain. You look at the videos, you must play that video to your people. I'm whole night, I'm dancing, meditating, talking, everything. Nobody realized anything is wrong. Except one or two people around me, they knew I'm in pain. So I was just putting some cold patches, just to calm the ice a little bit because it was like...
15:39 Lewis Howes? Throbbing in the side, yeah.
15:40 Speaker 01 Yes, like electric.
15:42 Lewis Howes? It's the worst.
15:43 Speaker 01 It was going on. Then 10th I did and 16th, I'm supposed to travel to United States, 16th of March.
15:50 Lewis Howes? That's my birthday.
15:52 Speaker 01 Was it? I was coming for your birthday.
15:54 Lewis Howes? I know, I know.
15:57 Speaker 01 And then I had some travel to Chennai and Mumbai and then I came to Delhi. 14th, I had a event. The doctor looked at me and said, "Sadhguru, you can't do this event. You should not. You must immediately come to the hospital." I said, "It's a private event, I've accepted. It's nothing much, it's somebody very important, but..."
16:21 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
16:22 Speaker 01 "Small group, I'll handle that." So he said, "Okay." Next day, I had a media event. The India Today television has a event. It's a 45-minute conversation with one of the journalists. The doctor said, "You cannot do it, I'm putting my foot down, you just can't do it." So I tried to tell them, the India Today people, "You know, I have a family emergency, I need to go." They said, "Sadhguru, tickets are sold, everybody's come only for you. How can you do this?" Till now, I have not canceled a single event in my life. No matter what's happening with me, I do it. So I told the doctor, "See, they are saying this..."
17:05 Lewis Howes? They're counting on me.
17:05 Speaker 01 Yes, I can't back out of this. He said, "I will talk to them, you can't go," he said. I said, "Please don't do this, I'll just gently do it, it's nothing. I'm just, as I'm talking to you, I'll talk there."
17:18 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
17:19 Speaker 01 He came for the event. And I'm talking and 45 minutes are over. Supposed to stop. The journalist wants to ask, he wants to get the best out of me. One more question, one more question. By then, my left leg is oscillating by itself. It's just doing this. The previous day, they did an MRI scan and they found out my brain median had moved 8.4 millimeters. Doctor said, "Sadhguru, 12 is fatal."
17:53 Lewis Howes? Oh my gosh.
17:55 Speaker 01 I said, "I won't go there. I'll just finish this and come."
17:58 Lewis Howes? Yeah, I'll lay on this side so it moves backwards.
18:00 Speaker 01 Once the leg started shaking, I knew I have crossed lines. I could just be paralyzed anytime. A stroke can happen, anything can happen. Then I just stepped off the stage. The doctor was looking at me like this. I said, "I have crossed all lines. Do what you want."
18:18 Lewis Howes? Wow.
18:18 Speaker 01 He took me straight to the surgery table. When they did the scan, I was 11.5mm of the median. 0.5mm of fatality. They immediately took me to a surgeon. They cut a big window open and they did whatever. And they're putting me on anesthetic. All these young women were all nurses. From, you know, in Delhi, these women come from variety of backgrounds from all over the country. They all know me, they follow me, but they never got to see me. Here, they got me down on the table.
19:01 Speaker 01 And eight of them are looking at me like this with big grins on their face. Probably only one or two are needed, but they all want to be there. Then I said, "See, when I come out of anesthetic, don't smile like this. I may think I'm on the other side." They all burst out laughing, then by then it was working and I just knocked Passed out, yeah. It just, within minutes, it just knocks you out, you know. Then the surgery went well and, you know, surgeries are surgeries. It took time to recover and yeah. Yeah, I recovered. Very unstable, couldn't walk straight, my balance was gone. But I kept everybody up, their spirits up, because otherwise everybody's in a, this thing.
19:47 Speaker 01 Even the prime minister called to just check how I am. All over the country, big news and some people cursing me, some people saying this, all kinds of things. Then I recovered. Doctor said, six months no driving. And you're like, eh, I'm gonna go tomorrow. And two years no motorcycle. Oh, man. So, three weeks I was in Delhi. About fifteen days, sixteen, seventeen days I was in Delhi. Then I landed in Kumbhathor and I drove to the center about. In a car, in a car, yeah. For a minute. Their thing was if you drive and if there's a jerk, something happens.
20:30 Speaker 01 I said, see, if I'm driving, at least I know when it'll jerk. Yes. If somebody else is driving. I don't know when they'll jerk the car. Your head like this. Yes. So, they said, no jerks, no shakes, no fall. I said, I'll take care of that. Still, the wound was open and all that stuff, but I went back and whatever, people were very happy, emotional. Because they all got terrified that I'm, I'm gonna end. I recovered from that and twenty-one days after that, I had fixed a program in Bali and Cambodia. It's a very niche group of people, they had registered from all over the country. Particularly Chinese and Russians,
21:12 Speaker 01 who can't come to India right now for whatever geopolitical reasons. They are all registered. And doctor said, "No way, you're traveling." I said, "See, I'll travel private." So that, "No, you could knock your head. This can happen, that can happen." I said, "I'll take care of that." My daughter said, "She'll travel with me." And they said, "We'll take care." And also, there was a whole team taking care of me. So I went to Bali to do the program. There were lots of physical activity. I cut out all that. Just the class part for... Teaching, yeah. Teaching alone, I'll handle. Other things, there are other people to handle. So it went very well. Four days, and then we were supposed to go to Cambodia next day.
21:57 Speaker 01 By then, I'm putting a plastic wrap on my wound and swimming a little bit because I needed exercise, you know? That's the best thing to do, is to be out in the sun and to do something. So me and my daughter were swimming in the pool. After that, I just came up and sat on a chair. She was sitting on the floor. A big monkey came. The doors of the room, the sitting room was open. Glass doors all. I came through another door, a glass door also. And when I came, I left the door open and came. And this big door was open. The monkey came and wanted to go inside because there are lots of fruits, you know, in Bali. Lots of heaps of fruits.
22:42 Speaker 01 So monkey is going in. So my daughter instinctively, she screamed at the monkey. And the monkey turned around and came with his mouth open like this. At her or you? At her. Wow. I have seen monkey bite injuries. They'll rip off your cheeks like that. I've seen one person, this half the face gone. Oh, man. And it's coming towards her. So instinctively, I got up. I had my walking stick just inside the thing. So I ran for the stick. Somebody had closed the door. I went and banged full speed into the glass. No. Oh. The glass made such a big bang, the monkey ran away. Yeah. So the purpose was served, but my head was cracked.
23:27 Speaker 01 Oh, my god. So I thought immediately, "I'll fly to Delhi for another emergency surgery" because they had said, "If you hit your head, this is it." Then I thought I'll wait till that night and see if there are any symptoms. Immediately imbalance will happen, pain will happen, all that. Nothing happened. Next day morning I woke up, I was fine. I said, okay, I'll fly to Cambodia. Three more days, I'll finish this. In any signs means, I'll go back.
23:57 Lewis Howes? Done, yeah, yeah.
23:58 Speaker 01 But I went through, next three days of program I went through, then I flew into Coimbatore City, which is a southern Indian city. From the airport, I went straight to the scan. Once again, bleeding.
24:10 Lewis Howes? Internal bleeding?
24:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, not outside, only inside. Then I went for another surgery. That surgery also went okay, no problem. But on the third day after the surgery, uh, I'm forgetting the name of that, some kind of psychotene, psychotene or psychotine, whatever kind of storm. Every cell in the body went through a storm. This happens only if you have sepsis or some other kind of serious infection. I had no infection of any kind. So doctors could not make out what happened. So I know I'm kind of seeping away within myself.
24:52 Lewis Howes? Really?
24:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:53 Lewis Howes? Not with anesthesia?
24:55 Speaker 01 No, no, no, three days later. And I opened my eyes and see fourteen doctors are standing there, including the chairperson of the hospital, all tears in their eyes. They think they lost me. Because all organ failure started happening.
25:09 Lewis Howes? Wow.
25:11 Speaker 01 I looked at them and then looking at their faces, I knew they're kind of sort of giving up on me. When I closed my eyes, I could see in every cell in the body, like I'm seeping away like that.
25:24 Lewis Howes? Like you felt it?
25:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, like beautiful, just like that, you know, like suppose in the middle of the night you woke up and... You know, much more, like let's say ten, twenty times more than that, every cell in the body, just letting something go, that kind of feeling. So I closed my eyes and I became lot more conscious and I kept myself like that. And in about an hour and a half, I turned around. So when I came out of that, six hours, they were in very difficult situation with me. About an hour and a half, they thought they lost me completely. So that took some time to recover. But within two months, I was on the motorcycle.
26:09 Lewis Howes? Crazy man.
26:10 Speaker 01 With vengeance, I'm riding because I just wanted to see if I'm really there or not.
26:15 Lewis Howes? Wow.
26:16 Speaker 01 So I'm fine. So I keep joking, they removed half my brain and I'm doing great now.
26:22 Lewis Howes? You're doing better, yeah, yeah. Did you have any fear during that time about?
26:29 Speaker 01 No, I am always living like this, that if it comes now, I'm ready. I won't turn back and look.
26:37 Lewis Howes? But a lot of people don't have that. When it comes, they'd be afraid to die right now in their life because maybe they haven't fulfilled what they want.
26:44 Speaker 01 They'll be afraid even if it's, if they reach hundred.
26:46 Lewis Howes? That's true.
26:47 Speaker 01 They'll still be in the same condition.
26:49 Lewis Howes? But more of like sad that they didn't live a purposeful life, that they wanted, the life they wanted to live, right?
26:55 Speaker 01 Purposeful doesn't happen because of time. Purposeful happens because of intent and awareness. The thing is, see, over eighty percent of the people, if you observe them during their last moments of death, they're not in pain, they are not in fear, they're just bewildered. Because they misunderstood their psychological drama as life process. What's happening in your mind is your psychological drama, your thought and emotion. But you think that is life. It's made up by you, it's not really life. Life is not made up by you, it's not made by you. It's happening, that's why you do your drama.
27:42 Speaker 01 Life you did not create, isn't it? You created this life?
27:46 Lewis Howes? No, I'm creating my life.
27:49 Speaker 01 See, you're creating the situations. Life is not situations. You're misunderstanding the arrangements of life, accessories of life as life. Is this clothing, me?
28:03 Lewis Howes? No.
28:04 Speaker 01 Is this chair, you?
28:05 Lewis Howes? No.
28:06 Speaker 01 Is this body, you?
28:08 Lewis Howes? It's a part of me.
28:10 Speaker 01 You accumulated it over a period of time, isn't it?
28:12 Lewis Howes? The cells have accumulated, sure.
28:14 Speaker 01 No, no, it's the food that you've eaten, it's just soil. Will you get it now or one day you'll get it from the maggots?
28:21 Lewis Howes? It'll be decomposed one day, yeah.
28:23 Speaker 01 No, no, that's not the point. When the maggots get you, they clearly tell you you're topsoil.
28:29 Lewis Howes? Yes.
28:30 Speaker 01 But if you know that right now, you'll live differently.
28:34 Lewis Howes? Yes.
28:36 Speaker 01 Everybody gets it from the maggots. Few get it now. When they get it now, life changes. That what you call as my body is a piece of the planet that you accumulated. Magnanimity of creation, that you can take soil, make it food, and make it into this body and how wonderful it is, how many things it can do. So if you forget that, that you gathered this, and whatever is on your mind, all impressions gathered or did you come with it?
29:09 Lewis Howes? Gathered it.
29:10 Speaker 01 Gathered. What you gather can be yours, can never be you, isn't it? So now the problem is this, people have never experienced life most of the time. So when the moment of death comes, they're just bewildered. They didn't even start and it's ending. Better start, I'm saying.
29:31 Lewis Howes? So is it the psychological drama that keeps us
29:35 Speaker 01 Keeps you busy.
29:35 Lewis Howes? Trapped or keeps you in suffering and stress and sadness and distracted from your personal assignment here?
29:42 Speaker 01 See, it need not necessarily be suffering, even if you're enjoying. Still it's psychological drama. See, right now it's like this. You hate me. Who is making it up?
29:53 Lewis Howes? Me.
29:53 Speaker 01 Me. You love me. Who is making it up?
29:56 Lewis Howes? Me.
29:57 Speaker 01 So your love affair, your hatred, your nonsense, your misery, your joy, everything you're making it up. So when you're making up everything, the simple logic is, why don't you make up something pleasant and wonderful?
30:08 Lewis Howes? Yes.
30:09 Speaker 01 But still, it's not reality.
30:11 Lewis Howes? A pleasant reality is not reality.
30:13 Speaker 01 Yes.
30:14 Lewis Howes? A pleasant experience is not reality.
30:15 Speaker 01 You are the director of your drama.
30:17 Lewis Howes? Yes.
30:18 Speaker 01 At least the drama should be going where you want.
30:20 Lewis Howes? Absolutely. Absolutely.
30:23 Speaker 01 You, if you're, you're the director of the drama and it's going somewhere else, you're a lousy director. As simple as that.
30:30 Lewis Howes? Hmm. What is the easiest way then to shift being a director of drama to a director of a pleasant experience?
30:39 Speaker 01 That is also drama, I'm saying.
30:41 Lewis Howes? Uh huh. But it's a better drama.
30:43 Speaker 01 See, whether you want a comedy or a tragedy, it's your choice.
30:45 Lewis Howes? Yeah, it's a better drama.
30:47 Speaker 01 There are people who enjoy tragedies.
30:49 Lewis Howes? Yes.
30:49 Speaker 01 If they like it, it's fine. But they want to have pleasantness and they're having unpleasantness, that is not acceptable for me.
30:55 Lewis Howes? Yes.
30:56 Speaker 01 You must be doing what you want within yourself. Around yourself, it's not all yours. There's a whole world whose opinion, whose intentions, everything matter. Around us, it's not all us. Everybody has a stake, isn't it? But within myself, how I keep myself is my business. Nobody can intervene in this. That itself, your dream is not happening the way you want. How will your life happen the way you want?
31:26 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
31:27 Speaker 01 So for all this, the fundamental is, we have not tasted life. We misunderstanding thought and emotion as life process.
31:36 Lewis Howes? What is life process then?
31:40 Speaker 01 Are you alive or no?
31:41 Lewis Howes? I believe so in this world.
31:43 Speaker 01 You believe so or you're really?
31:45 Lewis Howes? I believe I'm alive, yeah.
31:47 Speaker 01 You believe or it's true?
31:49 Lewis Howes? Depends what you consider is true.
31:51 Speaker 01 No, no, no. Let's come to this.
31:54 Speaker 01 Do you believe you have two hands or you have two hands?
31:56 Lewis Howes? I have two hands.
31:57 Speaker 01 Yes, but you believe many other things. Why? You are a bull-
32:02 Lewis Howes? We all are, I guess, right?
32:04 Speaker 01 Don't include me.
32:08 Speaker 01 I'm saying, why don't we become straight enough, sincere enough? What I know, I know. What I do not know, I do not know.
32:17 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
32:18 Speaker 01 Isn't it good like that?
32:19 Lewis Howes? Yeah, I think so.
32:21 Speaker 01 So what do you really know?
32:24 Lewis Howes? I know I'm a blessed human being. I have a beautiful life.
32:28 Speaker 01 Who told you this?
32:29 Lewis Howes? I did.
32:31 Speaker 01 So you believe?
32:32 Lewis Howes? Yes.
32:33 Speaker 01 No, that means you don't know.
32:35 Lewis Howes? I also know there's a lot that I don't know, and that's why I constantly ask questions.
32:39 Speaker 01 That is fine.
32:40 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
32:41 Speaker 01 You don't know. What do you know I'm asking?
32:44 Lewis Howes? About what?
32:45 Speaker 01 About life, because that's all that is there.
32:48 Lewis Howes? What I know is that I'm a grateful human being. That I was born, that I'm here, and I want to experience a beautiful life. And that's what I know.
32:59 Speaker 01 See, all that will change. If I put a nail in your foot, it'll all change. You won't be grateful, you will be hateful.
33:05 Lewis Howes? Eh, I don't know. I've had a lot of challenging moments that-
33:09 Speaker 01 Challenging moment, but nobody nail you.
33:12 Lewis Howes? A lot of broken bones, a lot of-
33:14 Speaker 01 That you did to yourself.
33:15 Lewis Howes? Some people did to me, yeah, yeah. I've had a lot of pain, and I've had to learn how to navigate my-
33:23 Speaker 01 No, no, please, look at this in a more fundamental way.
33:25 Lewis Howes? Yes.
33:26 Speaker 01 What I'm saying is, I am a joyful human being, I am a miserable human being, I am a grateful human being. This is all things that you make up in your head.
33:35 Lewis Howes? Yes.
33:36 Speaker 01 Good, you made up some pleasant things. I'm happy about that. That's good drama.
33:41 Lewis Howes? Yes.
33:43 Speaker 01 But this drama is playing upon the fundamentals of you being a life, isn't it?
33:48 Lewis Howes? Yes.
33:49 Speaker 01 What do you know about that? Because that is the greatest phenomenon that's happening in this universe, life. And you're that? What do you know about that?
33:58 Lewis Howes? I know that I'm alive.
34:01 Speaker 01 Thank you.
34:05 Speaker 01 Yes, you know that you're alive, fortunately. That's because you're that much conscious. If you become totally unconscious, you wouldn't even know that. But now, the question is, what is the nature of your life?
34:19 Lewis Howes? Is this like a philosophical question for my life?
34:21 Speaker 01 No, no, it's a factual question.
34:23 Lewis Howes? What is the nature of my life?
34:25 Speaker 01 What is the nature of your existence, I'm asking? I'm not asking... See, you're misunderstanding the life situations as life.
34:32 Lewis Howes? Yes.
34:32 Speaker 01 No, life situations are a consequence of things that we do and do not do.
34:38 Speaker 01 Right?
34:38 Lewis Howes? Yes.
34:39 Speaker 01 I'm asking, right now, you said you gathered this body. You gathered this mind. You gathered these clothes. You gathered this studio. You gathered many other things. People, relationships, family, this, that. Everything you gathered, why? All of this to sustain and make this life good.
34:59 Lewis Howes? Yes.
35:01 Speaker 01 When I say life, don't think in terms of so many years. Because you're here and alive.
35:06 Lewis Howes? Yeah, this moment.
35:06 Speaker 01 Alive, this life. I'm talking about life as you.
35:11 Speaker 01 Not life as a situation. The word "life" is very misunderstood. When you say "life", people think you're talking about their home, their car, their dog, or their office, or their business, or their money. No, no, I'm talking about you. These are all accessories. We need accessories to facilitate many things in our lives. What I need, you may not need. What you need, I may not need. But we all make accessories as it is necessary for our lives. Some people make too many and they'll have to carry it on their head.
35:43 Speaker 01 What do you know about life as such? The life that you are.
35:47 Lewis Howes? What do I know about my life?
35:48 Speaker 01 No, no, don't...
35:49 Lewis Howes? About life?
35:50 Speaker 01 Life that you are, not the life that you do.
35:53 Lewis Howes? My being?
35:54 Speaker 01 Call it what you want, I'm just calling it life.
35:56 Lewis Howes? Yeah, yeah. What do I know about my life?
35:57 Speaker 01 I'm calling about... Say, I'm just you. Let's say you...
36:00 Lewis Howes? Me personally? I mean, I thought I tried to tell you that I feel like I'm living a beautiful life.
36:05 Speaker 01 No, that's all your idea.
36:09 Speaker 01 That's in your head.
36:10 Lewis Howes? Okay.
36:13 Lewis Howes? I'm, I guess I'm not sure what the, the answer is. I mean, my life is, I feel like I'm living a blessed, beautiful life. I feel like I'm here to fulfill a purpose. And I'm trying to-
36:23 Speaker 01 See, these are all things you're making up in your mind. I'm blessed, I'm beautiful, I'm-
36:27 Lewis Howes? Versus, how should I be making it up? Or explaining it?
36:30 Speaker 01 No, no, you can make up whatever you want. I said, "I'm glad you're making up pleasant things." See, it's like this.
36:36 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
36:38 Speaker 01 Suppose, you built a castle in the air.
36:41 Lewis Howes? Mm-hmm.
36:42 Speaker 01 Or let's go with this. Just look at my little finger and try to rebuild it in your mind.
36:48 Lewis Howes? Okay.
36:48 Speaker 01 It'll take a lot of effort.
36:50 Lewis Howes? Okay.
36:50 Speaker 01 Only a fine artist can do it.
36:52 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
36:52 Speaker 01 Isn't it?
36:53 Lewis Howes? Sure.
36:53 Speaker 01 Because he has that level of keen observation of this little finger.
36:56 Lewis Howes? Mm-hmm.
36:57 Speaker 01 Small thing in the universe. But if I ask you to build a little finger exactly like this, you will be-
37:06 Lewis Howes? Be very challenging.
37:07 Speaker 01 No, you, very, very challenging, you can't do it.
37:10 Lewis Howes? Yeah, yeah, it'd be very challenging.
37:10 Speaker 01 Some great artist may have the keenness
37:13 Lewis Howes? Uh-huh.
37:14 Speaker 01 to see this finger exactly and create it. But now, using your imagination, you built a castle in the air.
37:21 Lewis Howes? Yes.
37:22 Speaker 01 Every brick, in full detail. I look at it and say, "Fantastic." Louis, fantastic, what a wonderful castle you built. But after some time, you started thinking, "It's real."
37:34 Lewis Howes? Hmm.
37:36 Speaker 01 Then we say, "You're neurotic." After a while, you started living in that castle. Then we say, "You're psychotic."
37:45 Lewis Howes? Right.
37:46 Speaker 01 Then a third person will come after some time and starts collecting rent for that castle.
37:52 Lewis Howes? Hmm.
37:52 Speaker 01 We call him a psychiatrist.
37:54 Lewis Howes? (laughing)
37:55 Speaker 01 With all due respect for all the doctors who help people who are unwell, that's a different matter.
37:59 Lewis Howes? Mm-hmm.
38:00 Speaker 01 But essentially, you lose the boundaries of what is memory, what is imagination, what is experience of life. All mixed up. Can you live without your memory? No, without your memory, you don't know a damn thing.
38:16 Lewis Howes? Mm-hmm.
38:18 Speaker 01 Can you live without imagination? No, you can't create anything without your imagination. Are there a problem? No. But if you do not know what is memory, what is imagination, what is present experience of life?
38:35 Speaker 01 Everything is mixed up and it's a mess. So you living well is a chance. When you live by chance, essentially it means you're living accidentally. When you live accidentally, anxiety is normal. Suppose you sit in your car and the steering wheel has become little funny. If you do this, it'll go this way. You being anxious is normal or no?
39:01 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
39:02 Speaker 01 Right now, that's all it is life. The steering wheel is funny for most people's lives. If they turn this way, it'll go that way. Their mind itself, not even life. Their mind, if they want to think about this, it'll think about that. With this mind, if you're not anxious, you're a miracle.
39:20 Lewis Howes? That's true. Do you feel anxiety ever?
39:24 Speaker 01 Look at me and tell me, you tell me.
39:27 Lewis Howes? Doesn't look like it much. There's gotta be some moments, right? In the hospital or doing the surgery, did you feel any anxiety? Or were you just at peace?
39:35 Speaker 01 You must talk to my doctors.
39:36 Lewis Howes? That's good. But did you always have that ability to navigate your mind's steering wheel? To stay more present in this moment versus having anxious thoughts or dramatic thinking, where you were kind of all over the place in your mind?
39:54 Speaker 01 See, human intelligence as a faculty is a fantastic thing, only if it takes instructions from you. Otherwise, it's a terrible thing. That's all human beings. That's why I said if you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be fine.
40:10 Lewis Howes? Be happy. That's why we need Inner Engineering.
40:15 Speaker 01 Definitely.
40:18 Lewis Howes? But most people don't know how to navigate their mind.
40:21 Speaker 01 See, they don't have to know all that. It's too complex a mechanism, you're not going to... See, it's like this. Well, you've given up a watch, probably you're on the phone.
40:30 Lewis Howes? I had it this morning, but I...
40:32 Speaker 01 Okay. Right now, it's a simple watch.
40:34 Lewis Howes? Yes.
40:36 Speaker 01 But if you open it, there are hundred wheels in it or more, I don't know how many. So if I take out all the wheels and keep it here, can I put it back?
40:45 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
40:47 Speaker 01 No.
40:47 Lewis Howes? It might take time.
40:48 Speaker 01 Even if you have an instruction manual, most of us can't do it.
40:52 Lewis Howes? Right, right. I mean, if you get an engineer who's an expert at it, over time, yes.
40:55 Speaker 01 That guy can do it, obviously, he built it.
40:58 Lewis Howes? You can't, yeah, yeah.
40:59 Speaker 01 Yes.
41:00 Lewis Howes? Right, right.
41:01 Speaker 01 His wheels will spin all over the place and you'll be lost.
41:04 Lewis Howes? Of course.
41:05 Speaker 01 Such a simple thing, all right. This is not some rare computer, or this is not some super something. This simple watch which has been around for a few hundred years. And you can't put it together.
41:20 Speaker 01 You're talking about human mechanism.
41:21 Lewis Howes? Right.
41:22 Speaker 01 The most sophisticated and complex mechanism on this planet. Everything, supercomputer also, is a dropout of this.
41:32 Speaker 01 Yes?
41:33 Lewis Howes? Yes.
41:33 Speaker 01 Everything that we have done is a small dropout of this one. So you don't try to understand this, you'll just learn to operate it.
41:43 Speaker 01 You, you have a phone, you don't know how it works.
41:46 Lewis Howes? No idea.
41:46 Speaker 01 You know how to use it, it makes your life. At least that much you must learn. To engineer that is another level of application, we shouldn't even talk about it at this level.
41:56 Lewis Howes? No.
41:56 Speaker 01 Because that's another level of application.
41:59 Lewis Howes? But learning to operate it, we should learn, yes.
42:01 Speaker 01 Yes.
42:03 Speaker 01 If you don't know that, then even your phone can be a big nuisance.
42:09 Speaker 01 You, you call your friend and it calls the President of United States, you're in trouble or no?
42:14 Lewis Howes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but most people don't know how to operate it. Why do you think we haven't been taught how to operate it?
42:20 Speaker 01 That's the whole thing, there's no attention about anything inward. We are, we think we conquer the world outside, everything will be okay.
42:28 Lewis Howes? Yes.
42:28 Speaker 01 You can enslave the whole world and you could be still more miserable than a slave.
42:34 Speaker 01 It's happening. The richest people are going around with the longest possible faces. Just look at it and see.
42:42 Lewis Howes? I mean, you were asking me about the nature of life, I'm trying to understand. What would you say is the nature of life for you?
42:47 Speaker 01 See, you know you gathered the body. At least now, intellectually.
42:51 Lewis Howes? Yes.
42:51 Speaker 01 Experientially, it may not be so. At least intellectually, you understand this is an accumulation. This is a piece of planet which will go back one day. We wish to complete a full cycle, we don't want to go untimely.
43:05 Lewis Howes? Yes.
43:08 Speaker 01 In India, there are only two kinds of deaths in the yogic culture. Sumritu, akalamritu. This means timely death, untimely death. In the West, people think if they are in pain, it's one kind of death. If they have medical attention, another kind of death. Families around, another kind of death. Died alone, another kind of death. No, we don't see it like that. We just see timely death and untimely death. Timely means your karmic system, your information has found its... It has found its full cycle. And now you come to that place and any human being will become ready to die.
43:52 Speaker 01 But when these things are desires and longings are still on, if it comes, you will struggle. So, right now, you're cultivating a whole society where it doesn't matter, even if you're eighty-five...
44:08 Lewis Howes? It's untimely.
44:09 Speaker 01 No, no, I am not killing you yet.
44:12 Lewis Howes? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:13 Speaker 01 You're eighty-five. If you go and sit on the street, if a young woman is walking, if you say, "Wow, see how young he is. Fantastic, he's still romantic." No, it's inappropriate. At eighteen, you did that, it's all right. It's part of that stage of life.
44:35 Lewis Howes? Yes.
44:36 Speaker 01 But by now, you should have looked beyond these things. But still, if you do the same thing, it's appreciated. That means you are neither preparing the world or human beings to get older. They can't get old gracefully. Dying is out of question gracefully. Struggle and helpless way of dying. So, only thing is, people start telling you stories. "Don't worry, you will go to heaven, you will go to heaven." This happened. Can I tell you a little story?
45:06 Lewis Howes? Sure.
45:06 Speaker 01 Shankar and Pillai and his wife were driving after twenty-five years of marriage. They crashed the car. He died. He went to heaven. His wife was injured after three weeks. She died and she went to heaven. Then she went shankul, looking for him and she ran towards him. He said, "Stop! The vow was only till death do us apart." "The deal is over. Death do us apart, now you're still following me." So I'm saying, your idea of heaven is a childish understanding of life.
45:49 Speaker 01 Your idea of heaven is there is a better place than here to live. If you think there is a better place than California to live somewhere else, please go today. Why are you waiting? Hello, suppose I go and take the whole place, what will you do? This idea is a crime. That people are telling you there is a better place to live. This is creation. If you believe in God, this is God's creation. If this is not a good place, which other place is better than this? Heaven and hell is a question of your experience. If you sit here blissed out, you think you're in heaven in a black room like this.
46:30 Speaker 01 If you sit here in distress, this feels like hell. Distress and joy comes because either you're sitting here absolutely willingly or unwillingly. If the best things in the world are done to you when you're unwilling, will it become your hell or no?
46:52 Lewis Howes? Yeah, become hell.
46:53 Speaker 01 Yes. It's only if you're doing things willingly, if you're sitting here absolutely willingly, every breath becomes heavenly.
47:04 Speaker 01 This is all it is, is life happening willingly or unwillingly? If life has to happen absolutely willingly, there should be no "S" no, yes, no, yes, no. It's yes and yes to life, to life and death your yes. Then you live here willingly. The fear of death will never avoid death, it'll only stifle life.
47:28 Lewis Howes? Hmm, let's say that one more time, the fear of death.
47:30 Speaker 01 See, the fear of death will not ward off death. It will stifle the life process. "I don't want to die, I don't want to die." Will you not die? You will not live, that's all.
47:43 Lewis Howes? Yes.
47:45 Speaker 01 You're not riding a motorcycle.
47:49 Lewis Howes? The motorcycle. That's interesting. But why, why do so many people fear death then? And they, they, they live life afraid that they're gonna die versus fully living their lives? And I'm not saying you should risk everything and do horrible, dangerous things because you're...
48:07 Speaker 01 No, no, that's not the point at all. The point is not about inviting death.
48:12 Lewis Howes? Right.
48:13 Speaker 01 You don't have to invite death. Many aspects of life, you have to strive to make those things happen. To educate, you must strive. Many things, to build a family, you have to strive. To build a nation, you have to strive. To build well-being and wealth for yourself and everybody around you, you have to strive. Everything needs application and planning and works. Death is super-efficient. You don't have to do anything.
48:48 Lewis Howes? It happens.
48:49 Speaker 01 It will come and it will happen perfectly. You can't improve upon it. Life is such, no matter how you do it, there is a better way to do it.
49:03 Speaker 01 Yes or no?
49:04 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
49:04 Speaker 01 Whichever way you do it, if you are a sincere human being with a certain sense, you can see however you have done it, you could have done it better.
49:17 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
49:18 Speaker 01 But with death, you can't improve on it. It's perfect. When it happens, it's perfect. So it doesn't need your assistance, nor your welcome, nor your invite.
49:28 Lewis Howes? It's gonna happen.
49:29 Speaker 01 It will anyway come. See, other things you may do or you may not do in life. Death is one thing you will certainly do. So how can you breed a whole civilization without even telling them what is the nature of your existence? The fundamental nature is you're mortal. That means you're on a limited amount of time and energy. Time, you can't stop. You can't break. You can't rewind. But energies, you can make it more and more exuberant. If you make your energies truly exuberant, you will learn to ride the cycles of time. If you learn... If you ride the cycles of time, then your life becomes a dance. Otherwise, the cycles of time will crush you like a mill.
50:14 Speaker 01 Now you see face becomes long. Most human beings, almost everybody who's here,
50:22 Speaker 01 when they were six, seven, eight years of age, their faces were like this.
50:28 Speaker 01 What were they jumping about?
50:29 Lewis Howes? Hmm, nothing. Life.
50:31 Speaker 01 No, no, life.
50:31 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
50:32 Speaker 01 Exuberance of life.
50:35 Speaker 01 Now why have they become like this? Cycles of time has crushed them, the mill.
50:43 Speaker 01 It's a mill.
50:43 Lewis Howes? Hmm.
50:44 Speaker 01 It crushes you if you don't learn how to ride it. Very few are as exuberant as they were as children even today. Others have all becoming grave. Grave means what? Either they're going to it or they came out of it.
51:01 Lewis Howes? Wow.
51:01 Speaker 01 I don't know which one.
51:06 Lewis Howes? Was there any lessons for you from the last year, from the surgery years or from this, you know, closeness to death, maybe?
51:14 Speaker 01 No. I've always lived like that.
51:17 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
51:18 Speaker 01 I'm... I'm always living like that. I know. See, this is like this.
51:25 Speaker 01 You're breathing?
51:26 Lewis Howes? Yes.
51:26 Speaker 01 You're just agreeing with me. Check and tell me, are you breathing? Yes. You are. How many moments in a day are you aware of this? Not many. That's what. Unless I'm focused on it, yeah. Yes. This is inhalation, exhalation. Mm-hmm. Inhalation, exhalation. Inhalation, exhalation.
51:49 Speaker 01 Next inhalation did not happen.
51:54 Speaker 01 Where is Lewis? No trace of the guy. Search where you want. You won't find him. You can imagine all kinds of rubbish, but you won't find that guy. Yes or no? Yeah. See how fragile it is. Mm-hmm. One exhalation went out. Next inhalation did not come back. Boof, gone. So you are playing yo-yo with life. In and out, in yoga we say inhalation is life. Exhalation is death. If you want to look at it the other way. See, when you were in your mother's womb.
52:31 Speaker 01 You were drowning in her fluids. Mm-hmm. She didn't let you breathe. No. Of course, she put a pipe so that you got everything you needed. Nutrition, yeah, but you won't breathe it, yeah. No, oxygen also she gave you. Yeah, that's true. But not breathing. You're drowning. So when you came out, you still don't know how. Somebody lifted you by the legs and slapped you on your backside? Start crying, yeah. No, no. First thing you did was, ah! A gasp of inhalation. The first thing you did in your life is inhalation. What do you think is the last thing you'll do in your life? Exhalation. Exhalation. If you exhale, if next inhalation does not happen, everybody says you're dead.
53:17 Speaker 01 Whether you are dead or not, you don't know. But at least the world thinks, the doctor thinks, you're dead. Mm-hmm. Death is not an incident or a one-time happening. It is happening. As we are living, we are dying. One day, it will reach a certain graduation level. This doesn't mean everything is over.
53:42 Speaker 01 Body becomes inhospitable for life. What was soil, became food. When it was soil, could you eat it?
53:52 Lewis Howes? I guess, I wouldn't be...
53:53 Speaker 01 You can eat soil?
53:54 Lewis Howes? I mean, you could eat. Technically, it's not gonna taste good.
53:57 Speaker 01 Really?
53:58 Lewis Howes? Soil?
53:58 Speaker 01 Try and see.
53:59 Lewis Howes? Dirt?
54:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:00 Lewis Howes? It's not gonna taste good. You could...
54:02 Speaker 01 Try and see.
54:03 Lewis Howes? Nah, it's not that... It's not easy, but...
54:05 Speaker 01 You can't eat it, you can't digest it.
54:07 Lewis Howes? I mean, you can't... Yeah, it's not nutrients, but you can put in your mouth.
54:10 Speaker 01 You cannot get what you need to build a body.
54:13 Lewis Howes? Right.
54:14 Speaker 01 The same soil became a carrot, or an apple, or something else. A bird, or an animal, or a fish, something it became. The same soil. Now, suddenly, it nourished your body.
54:27 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
54:27 Speaker 01 But, if you eat a piece of carrot, does it look like you?
54:31 Lewis Howes? No.
54:32 Speaker 01 Does it become you?
54:33 Lewis Howes? It becomes a part of you. The nutrients...
54:37 Speaker 01 How did you get this? How many kilograms are you?
54:39 Lewis Howes? 230 pounds. I don't know what that is.
54:42 Speaker 01 Whatever that is.
54:43 Lewis Howes? Yes.
54:44 Speaker 01 230 pounds is about...
54:45 Lewis Howes? Double you, you know?
54:48 Speaker 01 Hundred kilograms, let's say.
54:49 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
54:51 Speaker 01 These hundred kilograms, where did it come from? From your mother? Your parents are very stingy people. They didn't give you a million cells, they gave you one each.
55:02 Lewis Howes? Oh.
55:02 Speaker 01 One. How stingy.
55:05 Lewis Howes? Right.
55:06 Speaker 01 They would have given you a million each. No, only one.
55:09 Lewis Howes? And then multiply.
55:09 Speaker 01 Rest of it is where?
55:12 Lewis Howes? Rest of it is where? From here.
55:14 Speaker 01 Hundred kilograms. You got it from the planet.
55:16 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
55:18 Speaker 01 Yes?
55:18 Lewis Howes? Yes.
55:19 Speaker 01 It's soil.
55:19 Lewis Howes? Uh huh.
55:21 Speaker 01 So, this soil, well, it became food, and it became you. If you put it back again, it becomes soil.
55:29 Lewis Howes? Right.
55:31 Speaker 01 So, as far as your body is concerned, you just a pop-up, and you'll pop back. But to gather so much of body and mind, there must be something more fundamental, isn't it? Right now, let's not give it names, we'll call it you.
55:46 Lewis Howes? Okay.
55:47 Speaker 01 You exist or no?
55:49 Lewis Howes? Yes.
55:50 Speaker 01 You exist. You may not know what is the nature of the existence, but you have no doubt about whether you exist or not. Can you see me?
55:58 Lewis Howes? Yes.
55:59 Speaker 01 Are you seeing me or your eyes are seeing me? You are seeing me through the window of your eyes. If you close the window, you don't see me. Right. If you open the window, you see me. But you are there, isn't it? Yes. It's not the instruments of I which are seeing me. You are looking at me through the visual apparatus. Like a telescope, we are looking. We are looking. Telescope is not looking. Just like that, your eyes are not looking. You are looking. Yes? Yes. Hundred percent in your experience or no? Yes. Yes. So you are there. Whatever damn thing you are, but you are there. Right.
56:43 Speaker 01 So don't assume things. You are there, that's important. You gathered the body, you gathered the mind, you gathered many things. You think it's blessed, it's cursed, it doesn't matter what the hell you think. You can think whatever you want. You think pleasant things, it's good for you. You think unpleasant things, you'll suffer and you will also make everybody suffer. Because you'll do unpleasant things. When you're feeling unpleasant, you'll share it one way or the other, isn't it? So right now, when we say death, as I said, we call the crematorium khayantasthanam, where the body ends. Body ended, did you end or not? That's a big question.
57:28 Speaker 01 The soul, where's the soul going? Oh, well, the two souls you have here, these will go. No, the it is soul. How do you know there is one? You are given a lot of fiction. You don't think we have a soul? I'm not saying anything. I'm saying do not assume anything because if you assume one thing and the next one and the next one will come, you will become hallucinatory.
57:53 Speaker 01 Death is not a psychological process. It is existentially true, isn't it?
57:58 Lewis Howes? Yes.
57:59 Speaker 01 So, don't apply your psychological imagination and create a fairy tale. "I have a soul." Soul means it has to go somewhere. Where will it go? If you're religious, of course, it'll go to God. If you are a satanic thing, it'll go to devil. Some nonsense.
58:16 Lewis Howes? So, what do you believe? Is there a soul?
58:18 Speaker 01 Why, you're again going back to this. Let me settle this for you.
58:21 Lewis Howes? Okay.
58:22 Speaker 01 See, the word "believe" means, "I don't know, but I myself."
58:27 Lewis Howes? Okay. Okay, so is there a truth that you do know?
58:32 Speaker 01 The truth is this. I know or I don't know.
58:35 Lewis Howes? Okay.
58:36 Speaker 01 This is a fact of life, isn't it? If you know, it is fantastic. If you don't know, there is a possibility. But if you don't know and you believe something, you destroy the possibility.
58:49 Lewis Howes? Well, you could say you know something, but it may not be true. I mean, how do you know?
58:53 Speaker 01 That means you don't know.
58:54 Lewis Howes? You could think it's true.
58:56 Speaker 01 See, you can think whatever you want.
58:58 Lewis Howes? Exactly.
58:59 Speaker 01 That's why I'm saying, do not misunderstand psychological reality as existential. It's not existentially true. Whatever, you think I'm blessed, I'm cursed. This is all your head. You can do what you want in your head.
59:13 Lewis Howes? Yes.
59:13 Speaker 01 You have been given so much freedom. Most people are misusing it to cause harm to themselves and to others.
59:19 Lewis Howes? Yes.
59:21 Speaker 01 But this is intelligence going wonky. This is inability to manage your own intelligence. It's turning against you. You can call it stress, anxiety, this, that. But essentially, your intelligence has turned against you, isn't it? So, leave that condition. That's a medical condition. I don't want to handle it here. I'm not a doctor.
59:41 Lewis Howes? Sure. Then, what is true about us after death?
59:47 Speaker 01 See, as life is a process, from the moment of conception, cells multiplied. They gave you only one, one cell each. It multiplied, become a mass of cells, a ball of cells. Maybe like your American football.
1:00:03 Lewis Howes? Yes.
1:00:04 Speaker 01 Not like a soccer ball. Right, right. Maybe like this.
1:00:09 Speaker 01 Then, life got infused. Somewhere between forty to forty-eight days, life gets into the cells. What these cells mean is, they are creating a housing and welcoming a life. Life got infused into it. Generally, within forty-eight days, it happens. In rare cases, it'll go beyond that. Max is generally fifty-four days, beyond that it won't go. But if somebody crosses, if in a womb, life has not happened in forty-eight days means, most probably, this woman is going to deliver in some way, an extraordinary human being.
1:00:52 Speaker 01 Only that kind of being can delay that process. All others will jump into it the moment they get the opportunity. Like in everything in life. The whole lot of people, if the moment they get something, they'll jump into it. They got a job, they've got it. Because it provides for their food and beer and cigarette. I'm talking American life. Sure, sure, sure. I don't drink or smoke, but yeah. No, because even the beggar on the street is saying, "Please, five dollars for my beer." Yeah. In India, if a beggar says that, they'll throw him out of that damn place. "You want to drink and you want to ask money from me?" But here, it's normal. Yeah.
1:01:33 Speaker 01 So, whatever it is, lot of people just jump at the first opportunity. Somebody with little wiser, waits, looks at various things. So, the same is happening at the fetus level. There are only certain lives which wait and choose. All others jump at the first opportunity. Where there's a housing, which is hospitable to life, life just jumps in. What is this life? See, when we sit here, this is my body, that's your body. Unless sometime in future, hundred years after I am dead, when they bury you, I'm giving you hundred years extra, man. Thank you.
1:02:18 Speaker 01 If they bury you in the same place, then you know this body, that body, same soil. Yes. But right now, that's your body, this is my body, hundred percent. This is my mind, that's your mind. Here and there, we may overlap. But this is my mind, that's your mind. But there is no such thing as your life and my life. What is it? Life is a universal happening. You captured a little bit, I captured a little bit. It's like we are blowing soap bubbles. The soap bubble happens because of memory. There are eight types of memory. There is elemental memory. Elements come together. In the sense, right now, upon this planet,
1:03:03 Speaker 01 water, air, temperature, earth, and ether, or we call it akash or space. These five elements have to come together for anything to happen. This is elemental memory is there. How this come together? Because it comes together in a trillion different ways. So, within this life, it's come together in a certain way. That elemental memory is there. Next thing is evolutionary memory. You know, modern science is talking about, you were an amoeba a long time ago, and this happened, that happened. Whatever, now you're Louis House. House, yeah. House. Like, how's it going? Not like house.
1:03:47 Speaker 01 Not like house, but how's your day? Okay. House. Okay. Now you're Louis House, but not me. Scientists are saying you were an amoeba. Some whatever, ten million years, you go a billion years, you, I don't know what, something. So, the memory of all this is there in this. That is why this doesn't get confused. If you eat dog food in the next three months, you will not become a dog. No. Because the memory is hundred percent. This is a Homo sapiens. You feed it whatever you want. This will only be a human being. It'll stay a human form. Suddenly, it'll not grow horns or a tail or something because of the nature of food that you eat. Because evolutionary memory is intact. Yes.
1:04:33 Speaker 01 Next thing is genetic memory. Genetic. Genetic memory. You every day liked, what do you like? Indian food, Chinese food? Holiday. Mexican food? I do love Mexican. Ah. You can eat as much as you want. Yep. But you will not become Mexican.
1:04:49 Lewis Howes? No.
1:04:51 Speaker 01 Your features will not change, I am saying.
1:04:52 Lewis Howes? No.
1:04:53 Speaker 01 You eat only Mexican food. Will you become an amigo? No, you remain a gringo.
1:05:00 Lewis Howes? They call me the poppy gringo.
1:05:03 Speaker 01 So, because there is genetic memory, it will stay that way. Next comes karmic memory. This is very, very important. This is what gives you a certain flavor and a character to who you are. You may have certain type of genetics, certain type of evolutionary memory, but it's karmic memory which shapes you as a...
1:05:27 Speaker 01 For lack of word, Sam, I'm saying as a person. Persona happens.
1:05:31 Lewis Howes? Your personality, your energy.
1:05:32 Speaker 01 Yes, your persona happens. In this, the influence of genetic memory, evolutionary memory, everything is very much there. But it has taken a shell. It is like, yeah, we blow a bubble. Now, if you and me start blowing soap bubbles, your bubble came like this. My bubble came like that. Then I say, see, the big bubble is my bubble.
1:05:57 Speaker 01 No, the little one is yours, the big one is mine. But it went poop. The bigger it is, the easier it blows.
1:06:03 Lewis Howes? Yeah, yeah.
1:06:05 Speaker 01 Once it goes poop, then I don't see, see, that's my air, that's my air, that's my air. This is the same case with life. There is no such thing as your life and my life. There's your body, my body, there's my mind, your mind. But there is no such thing as my life and your life.
1:06:24 Lewis Howes? It's just life.
1:06:25 Speaker 01 You captured some, I captured some. But the significance of life is in, how much life can you take in to the bubble? Is it a big bubble or a small bubble? You have a small bubble, you work as hard as you want. Maybe you'll become a billionaire, but you will not be significant in your own experience.
1:06:48 Speaker 01 This is something one has to learn. If you sit here, not because of what you have, not because of what you're doing, simply if you sit here, there is a profound significance to your existence. This must happen, only then a human being can just close eyes and simply sit. Otherwise, for you to become significant, you have to have so many things.
1:07:14 Lewis Howes? Acquire more, yeah.
1:07:15 Speaker 01 Acquire more or do more, something.
1:07:17 Lewis Howes? Yes.
1:07:17 Speaker 01 Restlessness. This restlessness is coming because you're not blowing a big enough bubble. Life is small. The wall is thick.
1:07:28 Lewis Howes? Before you go on to the next four, I think it is, I'm curious. For those that have, I don't know, ambition, dreams, goals, and they want to be a creator in life, and they want to create things that are inspiring to them in their imagination to bring it to life, how can people then bring to life their creations, if there's something they want to do in a profound way, without losing the inner significance? How can they do it and still be significant either way? If you see what I'm saying? Not just for significance sake, but because it's...
1:08:06 Speaker 01 If there is no profoundness of experience, there will be no profoundness in activity. How can it be? You can't do anything that you are not. You may do many things which other people will applaud. Too many people are there like that in L.A.
1:08:25 Lewis Howes? Yes.
1:08:25 Speaker 01 Whole world is applauding them, but they are empty hollow shells of life.
1:08:30 Lewis Howes? It's true.
1:08:31 Speaker 01 Too many. Their fame and name and stuff is because of something else which is working. Right now, I'm not saying it's wrong.
1:08:44 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:08:45 Speaker 01 But if outside life is working well, it's very important that you make sure that your interiority becomes beautiful. Beautiful does not mean I am blessed, I love you, I am full of love, I am full of joy. That's not the point. Life has become significant because it is the most significant thing that's happening in the universe, isn't it? Life. Life? Yes. And you capture little. If you capture little more, suddenly your experience of life will be very significant and profound. Once it's profound, you don't worry what to create, what not to create. Anything that you touch will work.
1:09:27 Speaker 01 But what works, what doesn't work, how big it becomes, how big it doesn't become, is not all ours. It is the times in which we exist. See, many great beings have come. Like a Jesus came at 2,000 years ago. How many people could he speak to? 12 people. And one idiot freaked on him anyway. Gautama Buddha came. A two dozen people or maybe 100, 200 people he spoke. A Krishna came, a glorious human being, by any standards. Only one person he could speak, and that fellow is full of doubt.
1:10:10 Speaker 01 Today, you and me can sit here and talk to the entire world. Last year, and this is not to brag about ourselves, just to say what kind of times we're living in. In 2024, our video reaches 5.23 billion. Amazing. Just imagine if Buddha had this, Krishna had this, Jesus had this. So I am saying, we are at such times where even an ant can do what an elephant cannot do.
1:10:45 Speaker 01 That's the kind of times we are in. Yes. This is the first time we can sit here and address the whole humanity, which never ever was possible in the history of humanity. Yeah. When we are at such time, if we do not transform individual human beings and human societies, it's a crime. Hmm. What is missing is there's no love in our hearts, that's all. Hmm. If that one thing is there, this capability, the technology and other things has given us, we would use it, but people are using technology to kill each other. Yes. How many ways? I can laser burn up your brains from 10 kilometers distance.
1:11:30 Speaker 01 People are proud of this. No, across the world you can transform human beings. This is very important. Yes. Because we have turned miracles into disasters. Since turning disasters into miracles, we have turned miracles into disasters. For example, human mind, human intelligence, isn't this the greatest miracle? Hmm hmm. What a disaster it's become for most human beings. That is the source of their suffering, isn't it? Yes. I must tell you this, two, about maybe three, four years ago, a young woman of 33 or 34 years of age, I think, in a city called Hyderabad in southern India,
1:12:12 Speaker 01 she was a television anchor, reasonably popular television anchor. One day she jumped off her fifth floor apartment and killed herself. Why? She left a note, "No one is responsible for my death, my brain is my enemy." Wow. It took millions of years of research and development to get this brain to this level of competence. You can just dismiss it off with one word, evolution, but actually it's tremendous amount of research and development through natural process. Yes. That our brains got to this level of cerebral capability. Now, your brain is your enemy, it takes your life out.
1:12:53 Speaker 01 In 2023, 108,000 people in United States of America committed suicide. Wow. How many million people are trying to crawl through the wall and come to United States thinking this is heaven? But here, people are killing themselves.
1:13:11 Speaker 01 I'm just saying the irony of the whole thing. Many people think if they come to United States, their life is made. But people who are living here want to kill themselves. What do you think it is? The miracle of mind has turned into disaster. That's why this year, I released this Miracle of Mind app. This is to address the mental illness pandemic. The idea is with a seven-minute simple meditation, you can transform your life. We want to make sure at least 3 billion people start doing this. The idea behind this is this. Meditation means it should not be in the hands of a guru, or an institution, or an administration, or something else.
1:13:55 Speaker 01 See, in the year 1866, some survey says, over 50% of the American people over 45 years of age had no teeth left. Had no teeth left? Yes. In America? Yes. What do you think, the Wild West, they were brushing their teeth? Oh, yeah, yeah. They were shooting at each other. Most of them died before they were 50, so you didn't find out. Oh, teeth are gone, yeah. Yes. Over 45 years of age, most of them didn't have teeth, 50%. Today, everybody has teeth. What do you think? It's because of dentist? No, because our mothers told us, "You bloody brush your teeth.
1:14:38 Speaker 01 You don't brush, no breakfast today." Something, they did their own trick, and we all started doing this. Today, we all have teeth. Similarly, for mental health, to make this mind into a miracle, which it is already, we need something. We want to see 3 billion families on the planet in the next 24 months. This becomes part of that. After that, they should not need any guru, institution. Every family should be transmitting this within their own families. Their children should learn as a part of growing up to meditate at least for 7 minutes a day. Yes, I believe that. Simple thing, which is not religious,
1:15:21 Speaker 01 which is not from a particular culture, nothing. A simple thing that you do with yourself internally, because if you understand the miracle that your mind is. Then you will see everything the way it is. You don't have to believe anything.
1:15:36 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:15:37 Speaker 01 You have the needed intelligence and sharpness to see things the way they are. Only thing is, you have a wonky mirror.
1:15:43 Lewis Howes? Mm-hmm.
1:15:44 Speaker 01 It's showing you all distorted images.
1:15:46 Lewis Howes? Yes. And I've only got about 10 minutes left with you, Sadhguru, but it sounds like you could have, you kind of alluded to this and, you know, it sounds like you could have all the money in the world or accumulate all the things in the world, but still not learn how to love yourself.
1:16:03 Speaker 01 Why should you love yourself?
1:16:06 Speaker 01 See, love...
1:16:06 Lewis Howes? Why not?
1:16:07 Speaker 01 No, love means...
1:16:10 Speaker 01 There are two trying to become one. That is love. Now I am asking you, in this body, there are two people or one person?
1:16:18 Lewis Howes? One person.
1:16:19 Speaker 01 Yes. Because if there are more than one, either you are schizophrenic or you're possessed.
1:16:24 Lewis Howes? Yeah, multiple, yeah, yeah.
1:16:26 Speaker 01 You're schizophrenic or possessed. You need either a psychiatrist or an exorcist. Don't go there. There's only one.
1:16:33 Lewis Howes? Yes.
1:16:34 Speaker 01 So how does one love oneself? What is that? Why are you playing these tricks?
1:16:40 Lewis Howes? I mean... I'm not trying to play tricks. I'm just trying to understand that a lot of people commit suicide. And, you know, 100,000 people...
1:16:47 Speaker 01 That's not because of love or lack of love. That's because they are not able to handle their own intelligence.
1:16:54 Lewis Howes? To manage their mind.
1:16:55 Speaker 01 They don't know how to manage it.
1:16:57 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:16:57 Speaker 01 If, as I said, if they had the brain of an earthworm, they would be fine, peaceful. They're not able to handle their own intelligence
1:17:07 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:17:07 Speaker 01 because the social system, the educational system, and everything else doesn't tell you a thing about how to manage this. It's all about how to conquer the world.
1:17:18 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:17:19 Speaker 01 How to keep this well.
1:17:23 Speaker 01 See, every creature on the planet at least knows what to eat, what not to eat. The modern societies don't know what to eat, what not to eat. Every six months, somebody is coming up with a new recipe, which is the best thing to do. And in six months, it'll be gone. They made their money, they are gone. Diet is gone, another diet comes. Happening in L.A., I don't think it'll wait six months, every three months probably.
1:17:47 Lewis Howes? Every three days.
1:17:50 Lewis Howes? Exactly.
1:17:52 Speaker 01 When you don't know what to eat, what does it mean? See, you throw something to any animal. He knows whether to eat or not to eat. You have a much bigger brain and a much more sophisticated neurological system. How come you don't know? Obviously, you don't know. You've been given an instrument that you don't know how to handle. Time you learn. Every family should have this. As they teach their children how to brush their teeth and use the putty, they must learn how to meditate.
1:18:28 Lewis Howes? You mentioned these eight types of memory. I think I got the first four. Elemental memory, evolution, genetic and karmic, correct?
1:18:36 Speaker 01 Yes. Next comes, you know, unconscious layers of memory. Subconscious or articulate, in the subconscious is articulate and inarticulate memory. There are memories which play. There are memories which don't play on a daily basis, but once in a way, they kick in. And there is conscious memory, which has many fragments. You can make it into many divisions for understanding. But it is a composite of all these memories that right now you call as myself. But that's not you. That is an accumulated past.
1:19:19 Speaker 01 Memory is a thing because without that, there's no enrichment of life. There's no richness to your life if there was no memory. Well, take out your memory card.
1:19:31 Speaker 01 Luis?
1:19:32 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:19:33 Speaker 01 You don't know your name, cover, don't say it. You don't know your name.
1:19:37 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:19:38 Speaker 01 You don't know who your parents are. You don't know what is what, all right? So, memory is what is giving you a certain color to life. You must stabilize that. It must be a stage upon which you stand and do your dance. But if it becomes fluid, it becomes your quicksand.
1:19:58 Lewis Howes? Hmm, or if you focus on the negative memories and you build that up.
1:20:02 Speaker 01 See, there is no negative positive memories.
1:20:04 Lewis Howes? Or if you interpret it as an experience that was painful.
1:20:08 Speaker 01 How can yesterday, which doesn't exist, be painful or pleasurable?
1:20:15 Lewis Howes? Well, if you don't know how to operate your mind.
1:20:17 Speaker 01 That's the whole thing.
1:20:18 Lewis Howes? And you're...
1:20:18 Speaker 01 No, no, that's the whole thing.
1:20:19 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:20:20 Speaker 01 So, you don't know how to drive your car.
1:20:22 Lewis Howes? Yes.
1:20:22 Speaker 01 Then you don't think how to avoid hitting a bus, how to avoid hitting a lamppost, how to avoid hitting... No, bloody learn to drive.
1:20:29 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:20:31 Speaker 01 Once you learn to drive, you're not thinking how to not hit a lamppost, all right?
1:20:37 Lewis Howes? But we haven't learned how to do that yet.
1:20:38 Speaker 01 Hmm?
1:20:38 Lewis Howes? Most people haven't learned how to do that.
1:20:41 Speaker 01 Maybe not... Anything that we don't apply to doesn't exist for us, isn't it?
1:20:45 Lewis Howes? Oh.
1:20:48 Speaker 01 Simple thing.
1:20:48 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:20:49 Speaker 01 Right now, you're speaking a language. If nobody taught you a language, you'll be wah wah wah. Something so simple?
1:20:56 Lewis Howes? That's how I sound in Spanish, you know?
1:20:59 Speaker 01 That's good, at least you can't say anything wrong to your wife.
1:21:02 Lewis Howes? I know, I know.
1:21:05 Lewis Howes? Oh, man. I've only got a few minutes with you, Sadhguru, left, because I know you gotta run, but... I want people to check out two things. The Miracle of Mind app, which I haven't checked out yet, so I'm gonna download it.
1:21:18 Speaker 01 You must check it out, not just check it out. Do it. Do it for 15 days, then tell me what's happening with you.
1:21:23 Lewis Howes? I'm assuming it's App Store, Android Store, it's everywhere.
1:21:26 Speaker 01 Yes, it's a free app you can download.
1:21:27 Lewis Howes? It's called Miracle of Mind?
1:21:28 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:21:29 Lewis Howes? App? Okay, cool. So, it's a 7, 15 minutes a day.
1:21:33 Speaker 01 Seven minutes a day is minimum. If you want to extend it, you can extend it.
1:21:38 Lewis Howes? Okay, perfect. And in this, it's gonna just help people?
1:21:41 Speaker 01 It's an intelligent app. More features will be coming. There will be something that will come, which is called as Life Hopscotch.
1:21:49 Lewis Howes? Life Hopscotch?
1:21:49 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:21:50 Lewis Howes? What is that?
1:21:50 Speaker 01 Every day in the night before you go to bed, you play hopscotch for about thirty seconds.
1:21:55 Lewis Howes? In the app?
1:21:56 Speaker 01 In the app. It will tell you what is your mental status today.
1:22:01 Lewis Howes? Amen.
1:22:02 Speaker 01 It's like keeping an account of where you're going. Are you getting better or worse with your life?
1:22:08 Lewis Howes? I love that. That's great. That's amazing. So it's out now, right? It's out? Okay, perfect. So I want people to get that. So specifically, if you feel like you've stressed or overwhelmed, you don't...
1:22:17 Speaker 01 I've also read this audiobook in my voice.
1:22:20 Lewis Howes? I'm gonna listen to it.
1:22:21 Speaker 01 So if you can't read, you can listen.
1:22:23 Lewis Howes? This is the new book, which we covered a little bit about. It's called Death Only for Those Who Shall Die.
1:22:29 Speaker 01 Yes, it's only for them.
1:22:30 Lewis Howes? Are you gonna die? Well, I don't know.
1:22:32 Speaker 01 I'm dying kind. I don't know about you.
1:22:34 Lewis Howes? You're dying guide? Death, A Yogi's Guide to Living, Dying, and Beyond by Sadhguru. Make sure you guys get a copy of this. Again, there's so many different things in here. I was going through just before we started about really understanding the process of death. How do we grieve? How do we navigate all these things? Especially in our culture, in the Western culture, which has been taught, like you said, as kind of a scary thing or not to talk about. And I just think it's more important that we become aware of our death so that we can hopefully live a better life now, in this moment.
1:23:08 Speaker 01 You can live your life well only if you're aware that you are mortal. That is, you're dying kind. That is, you have a limited amount of time and energy. If you think you're forever, you will live a stupid and arrogant life.
1:23:27 Speaker 01 Human means, there's a natural humility in the being because you're capable of being conscious. One most important to be conscious is the mortal nature of your existence. If you're conscious of this, you have no time to do unnecessary things. See, if you know you have a limited amount of time, you will do what you genuinely care for. Otherwise, you'll do so much nonsense.
1:23:54 Lewis Howes? Yes. What do you think are the three biggest wastes of time that human beings do today?
1:24:00 Speaker 01 I wouldn't like to say anything is a waste of time.
1:24:03 Lewis Howes? Nothing?
1:24:04 Speaker 01 If they do it joyfully, if it enhances their life, they can do whatever.
1:24:08 Lewis Howes? Okay. But if you're not, if you're doing something not joyfully, then it may be a waste of time.
1:24:15 Speaker 01 If you're miserable, you're a waste of life, not just time.
1:24:19 Lewis Howes? That's true, that's true. You gotta start meditating, start meditating. Sadhguru, a final question for you. I've asked you this before, so I'm curious to go back and see your responses. But I'm curious, what is, what's your definition of greatness?
1:24:35 Speaker 01 There was a time when our program brochure used to say this, "From ordinary to extraordinary." So, second, third day, people ask Sadhguru, "You said something special will happen to me, what?" I said, "I never said anything special will happen." But this brochure said like this, I said, "Ordinary to extraordinary." That means you'll become more ordinary than others. If you have no need to be special, you're extraordinary. Other will, other people will think you're extraordinary and they'll attach greatness to it. If I think I'm great, I'm a bloody idiot.
1:25:19 Speaker 01 If people think I'm great, it's their magnanimity. It's good for them.
1:25:24 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
1:25:27 Lewis Howes? That's good. There you go. Psy Guru, thank you for being here. Appreciate you.
1:25:30 Speaker 01 What did I say last time? I don't know.
1:25:31 Lewis Howes? I'm gonna have to look it up. I'm gonna look it up and I'll add it to the end of this.
1:25:37 Lewis Howes? Thank you so much for being here, for sharing wisdom as always. I appreciate you. Thanks.
1:25:41 Speaker 01 Yep.
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