Vergecast vs WVFRM trivia!

The Vergecast's Nilay Patel, David Pierce, and Dan Seifert are challenged to a game of tech trivia by Waveform's Marques Brownlee, Andrew Manganelli, and David Imel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:12David Pierce?

  Welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of 25-year-old startup sounds. I'm your friend David Pierce and I am coming to you from the Salt Lake City Airport on my way home from WWDC, Apple's annual developer conference. It's been quite a week. You may have already heard our podcast episode about the Vision Pro, Apple's brand-new headset, and we have lots more to come on Friday's episode this week. But for this episode, I wanted to bring you something a little different, a little special. So, we were hanging out with our friends over at the Waveform Podcast. If you don't listen, it's a great show. If you like this show, you'll probably like Waveform. We decided we were just going to get in a studio and play a game together. So that's what we did. We spent 30 minutes in a studio at Apple Park doing trivia. It's tech trivia, it's weird trivia. A lot of it has to do with Craig Federighi.

• 1:57David Pierce?

  We had a blast and I think you'll have fun listening to it. It was on The Vergecast side, it was Dan Seifert, Neelai Patel, and me, David Pierce, and we had the whole Waveform team in there helping us out. So, producers, Adam Malina and Ellis Rovin ran the show for us and it was Marques Brownlee, Andrew Manganelli and David Imel on their team. I won't spoil who won, but we had a really good time and I think you'll enjoy listening to us. What I really want to know, before we get started here, is the craziest thing you think we got wrong. We missed a lot of stuff. It had been a long week. Everybody was tired, but I want to know, hit us up, tell us all the things that you can't believe we got right, or, you know, can't believe we got wrong. It's a super fun show. I hope you enjoy. We have more with the Waveform team on the Vergecast

• 2:39David Pierce?

  episode that published this Wednesday and we're gonna have lots more on WWDC also coming on Friday. Stick around for all of that. Enjoy the show.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  All right, welcome. This is Verge and Waveform. Trivia extravaganza. You probably might not know my name if you're under Vergecast feed. I am Adam Malina, the producer of Waveform.

• 3:02Speaker 04

  I'm Ellis Rovin, the other producer of Waveform.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  And we are going to pit the hosts of our two podcasts together today. How are you guys feeling?

• 3:09Nilay Patel?

  Terrified.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  It was good and now it's bad.

• 3:12Nilay Patel?

  They were only asking you guys. Yeah. Because they know. This idea was so much better five minutes ago.

• 3:18Nilay Patel?

  Too late to back out.

• 3:19Speaker 04

  This was great.

• 3:19Nilay Patel?

  It's really sitting next to like a hardened competitor or like market. It's like your confidence really drops.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  I will say he is extremely competitive. He's been plotting for weeks on this and we only found out about it like a week ago. But he knew somehow.

• 3:30Speaker 04

  And researching just various things. So if you've never listened to our trivia game before, we have three categories of questions for you tonight. Each category, each team will select one contestant to answer all the questions in that category. After you've figured out your answer, write it on your whiteboard, flip it around, say it aloud, and we'll award you points or not. How are we feeling? Ready to go? I'm ready.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 3:54Speaker 04

  All right, with that, let's kick off some trivia.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  Oh my god, trivia.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude, let's go.

• 4:01Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  All right. All right, the first category is? Were you paying attention? Were you paying attention? Questions about the minutia of WWDC 2023.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  Adam, would you like to ask the first question?

• 4:16Speaker 03

  You bet I would. All right.

• 4:18David Pierce?

  We have to pick our fladers, right?

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so you guys need to pick, who do you want to answer this question? I love the idea of this being David v David.

• 4:26Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 4:27Nilay Patel?

  We're allowed to confer, right?

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:30Nilay Patel?

  All right.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  They can't stop us.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Wait, David, were you paying attention? I think so.

• 4:34David Pierce?

  Okay. I was live blogging, which means I was not, like, brain like water, just everything came out into my fingers and immediately left my brain.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  We were all live blogging.

• 4:42David Pierce?

  I know.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  David v David, who will be the best David? All right, first question. How does the new compass app show waypoint altitude to users? Write it down, flip them.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Why is he writing already?

• 4:55Nilay Patel?

  What's going on over there?

• 4:57Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't know if this is correct, but I have an idea.

• 4:59David Pierce?

  I don't understand.

• 5:00Speaker 04

  All right, I'm gonna give you, oh, you don't understand the question. That sounds like a you problem, but just in case, I will enlighten you.

• 5:07David Pierce?

  Hit me with it one more time.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  The new compass app on the watch now displays the altitude of your waypoints. How does it visually express that altitude to the user?

• 5:17David Pierce?

  I see. I like that, David.

• 5:19Speaker 04

  Five.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  I'm correct.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  It's lying.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  You guys should have had this done a long time ago.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  One, let's flip.

• 5:26David Pierce?

  Pop-up bubbles.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  3D space.

• 5:28Nilay Patel?

  Those are technically the same answer.

• 5:30Speaker 04

  I'll give it to you.

• 5:31David Pierce?

  We'll say correct, so you each get one for both of us.

• 5:33Speaker 04

  Both?

• 5:33David Pierce?

  That feels right.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  The answer we had written down was the height of the stalk, but both of those seem to, uh, seem to match.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  What? What does that even mean?

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Oh, so it's one of those games?

• 5:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:45Nilay Patel?

  All right.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  Now I know what I'm playing. All right, all right, all right, folks, settle down, settle down, this is my game, this is my game.

• 5:51David Pierce?

  All right, let's go.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  All right, ready? Craig mentioned a new machine learning function coming to the home screen of iPadOS. What was it?

• 6:01Speaker 03

  They're staring blankly at each other.

• 6:03Nilay Patel?

  I'm trying to communicate with my eyes.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  Let's see it, guys.

• 6:06Speaker 06

  Multiple timers.

• 6:07Nilay Patel?

  Multiple timers?

• 6:09Speaker 03

  It's suggested apps in the spotlight search.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  Oh, is that on the home screen? That might be an acceptable answer.

• 6:15Nilay Patel?

  Yes. Side of the stock, baby.

• 6:17Speaker 04

  The answer we were looking for was frame interpolation on live photos.

• 6:21Nilay Patel?

  Oh, wait, that's the one where he was like, Earth looks amazing at this scale. And he was holding an 11-inch iPad.

• 6:27Speaker 06

  How did they get that right, then?

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Because I believe that is machine learning to do the smart stacks. Unless it's not on the home screen.

• 6:33Speaker 06

  I would not.

• 6:33Nilay Patel?

  I don't think I should have gotten that.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  All right, we're taking the point away from you.

• 6:37Nilay Patel?

  Because I got it.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  You already said it.

• 6:38Nilay Patel?

  Give me the point.

• 6:39Speaker 06

  I don't think that's machine learning. That's a Markov chain of best.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  All right, so we'll take it back. Next question. What was the color of the first 15-inch MacBook Air that they showed in the presentation? The first one, when they announced it.

• 6:52Speaker 04

  And this is again, is the 15-inch MacBook Air.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Five.

• 6:56Nilay Patel?

  Dan is very confidently whispering.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  Three, two, one. Flip 'em and read, boys. What do you got?

• 7:02Speaker 06

  I put black.

• 7:03Speaker 07

  Starlight.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Read them one at a time, please.

• 7:05Speaker 06

  Black.

• 7:07Nilay Patel?

  That's not even a color.

• 7:08Speaker 06

  I said it like 20 times right next to it.

• 7:10Speaker 07

  My answer was starlight.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  That is correct.

• 7:12Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, that's wrong anyways. All right. Black is a hardcore answer. There are four possible answers, and you picked a fifth.

• 7:20Speaker 08

  I would like to point out that there are zero Apple products named black.

• 7:25Speaker 07

  Yes, space gray.

• 7:26Speaker 06

  I really didn't pay that much attention.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  Were you?

• 7:28Speaker 06

  That's what they answered me.

• 7:29Speaker 07

  I was saying midnight.

• 7:31Nilay Patel?

  So you're saying the wrong answer.

• 7:32Speaker 07

  I was wrong, but at least it was an answer.

• 7:34Nilay Patel?

  At least it was in the circle.

• 7:36Speaker 06

  I would have get, anyway, whatever. It probably was starlight, and then I was, I don't know. It doesn't matter.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  All right, continue. During WWDC 2023, what made Craig exclaim, "We truly live in a world of wonders"?

• 7:49Nilay Patel?

  Wow, Dan's on it.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Five, four, three, two.

• 7:55Speaker 07

  Our timer.

• 7:55Nilay Patel?

  That was a good question.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Flip 'em and read.

• 7:57Speaker 06

  Multiple timers.

• 7:58Speaker 04

  Wave, David?

• 8:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, multiple timers.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 8:01Speaker 07

  Multiple timers.

• 8:02Speaker 06

  Wave Dave.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Wave Dave.

• 8:03Speaker 07

  Good job.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Okay, next question. In the intro, where there is a man chasing the bubble, what were the final words that appeared on the screen?

• 8:11Nilay Patel?

  Oh, shit, a bubble.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  Dream it. Dream it, chase it, blank.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  What were those last words?

• 8:19Speaker 07

  I thought that was gonna be multiple choice.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Five, four, three, two, one. Flip 'em and read. Wave, David, what do you got?

• 8:30Speaker 06

  The says. Make it happen? Wow. I believed Marquez for that one. Yeah! Oh my gosh. That's a level of paying attention.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  You're not gonna like coming through.

• 8:40Nilay Patel?

  Well, I just thought, I thought it was so funny that it stuck in the mind.

• 8:44Speaker 06

  We still have three, uh, categories left.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  Are we looking for an easier question or a harder question?

• 8:49Nilay Patel?

  Easier.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Easier.

• 8:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay, easier.

• 8:54Speaker 04

  He's got a lot of confidence in his team over there.

• 8:56Nilay Patel?

  Do I get a point for that?

• 8:57Speaker 03

  How many Pro Display XDRs can the new Mac Studio support?

• 9:02Nilay Patel?

  All right, I've never seen Marquez lean over faster in my entire life.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Right?

• 9:06Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  Everyone on Twitter was asking, who is gonna use as many XDRs? And I was like, Marquez.

• 9:12Speaker 06

  Studio or Pro?

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Pro Display XDRs, please.

• 9:15Speaker 06

  Can the Mac Studio?

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Oh yes, the Mac Studio, that is correct. Five, four, three, two, one. Flip 'em and read. Wave, David, what do you got?

• 9:25Speaker 06

  Six.

• 9:25Nilay Patel?

  What is that number?

• 9:27Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 9:28Nilay Patel?

  What? I said six.

• 9:29Speaker 06

  It was an eight. I also said six, just in editing.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  Two correct answers from the Davids.

• 9:34Speaker 06

  Was it 10 million?

• 9:35Nilay Patel?

  It's gonna be a new shirt. Can we dock off like a quarter point for not being able to write a six?

• 9:40Speaker 07

  If we tie at the end, we lose for that six.

• 9:43Speaker 06

  You turned an eight into a six because the Mac Pro does eight. And we knew that. When I draw with my hands, my hands cramp up and some, I just kinda, oh my god. It just kinda goes all over.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Quick update on the score. Vergecast 5, waveform 3.

• 9:58Nilay Patel?

  That's right.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  I'm sorry.

• 9:59Speaker 06

  We need to make more time, yeah.

• 10:01Speaker 03

  Next question. Apple added advanced metrics and features for two sports on the Apple Watch with their own slides. What were they?

• 10:09Nilay Patel?

  Wait.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Clarification?

• 10:11Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:12Nilay Patel?

  Were they native apps or third-party apps?

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Native apps.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Excellent question.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  Five, four, three, two, one. Flip him and read. Let's go verge David first this time. What do you got?

• 10:24Speaker 06

  Hiking and cycling.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Is hiking a sport?

• 10:29Speaker 03

  I don't know, but that's what they had it as.

• 10:30Speaker 06

  If you do it hard enough.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  Bad take, Andrew. David, what'd you say?

• 10:34Speaker 06

  I had a different answer. I said cycling and hiking.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 10:39Speaker 04

  Good.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Good one.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  This is the last question of this round, and I'm gonna hit you guys with a doozy.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  David, I just want you to know, I think we're both doing a really good job. I'm really proud of both of us.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  What is going on here? That David's doing way better.

• 10:50Speaker 06

  He's trying to trick you into getting this wrong.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  You do sportsmanship at the end.

• 10:53Speaker 06

  But is he doing real sportsmanship, or just fucking me up because he is already doing better than me?

• 10:57Speaker 04

  What studio monitors were in the background of the opening shot of the opening cinematic of WWDC 23? I will accept a model number or a brand.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

• 11:10Speaker 04

  Wow, wow. Were you paying attention?

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:15Speaker 06

  I remember that one.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Five, four, three, two, one. Flip him and read. Wave, David, what do you got?

• 11:23Speaker 06

  Are you writing right now? Yeah. Okay.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  David, I'm waiting for an answer.

• 11:29Speaker 06

  For you, that's okay. Uh, Genelik. What?

• 11:32Nilay Patel?

  Oh wait, no, we changed our answer.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  verge David?

• 11:36Speaker 06

  My answer is the ones Marquez has.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 11:40Speaker 06

  No.

• 11:40Speaker 04

  The correct answer was K R K Rockets.

• 11:43Speaker 03

  Were they really?

• 11:44Speaker 04

  They were.

• 11:44Speaker 06

  Wow, they exactly, oh, that's very old.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  They can be noticed by their distinctive yellow circles. All right, the second category for today's show is?

• 11:54Speaker 08

  G Fuel flavors.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  That's right. We are going to read you a G Fuel flavor, and you have to tell me if it is a real flavor, or if I made it up in my hotel room last night.

• 12:05Nilay Patel?

  I don't like that you're so confident about being ready for this.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Dan, me like?

• 12:10Speaker 06

  We already have, okay.

• 12:11Nilay Patel?

  I mean, I'll take the counter, I don't know what G Fuel is.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  How did you guys make those sounds to us?

• 12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, at like 11 o'clock last night, he's just recording into his microphone and showing me what he's coming up with.

• 12:23Speaker 06

  Ellis, can we please get a definition of G Fuel, and can I have it used in a sentence?

• 12:27Speaker 04

  Uh, G Fuel is a powder that becomes a liquid, or you either buy it as a liquid, and it makes you game better.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  That's very generic.

• 12:36Speaker 06

  Can I have the language of origin, please?

• 12:38Speaker 04

  I unfortunately cannot enlighten you with such information. Alright, the first flavor, the first flavor of G Fuel we have today is Blood, Sweat and Tears. It is a cinnamon candy flavor. Three, two, one.

• 12:54Speaker 07

  I trust Andrew entirely with this, because I have no idea. I got this, but I don't like knowing that I got this. I hope I got it.

• 13:01Nilay Patel?

  Does this group consume G Fuel?

• 13:03Speaker 07

  No. I like making fun of G Fuel, which is why I know more about it than...

• 13:08Nilay Patel?

  Oh, yeah, sure, okay.

• 13:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, no.

• 13:10Nilay Patel?

  Got you, you gotta know you're having it.

• 13:11Speaker 07

  No one look at my back.

• 13:12David Pierce?

  I'm obsessed with it ironically, yeah, I got you.

• 13:15Speaker 06

  Alright. Until it's not.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  Real or fake?

• 13:18Nilay Patel?

  Revealing, uh...

• 13:19Speaker 07

  Fake.

• 13:20Nilay Patel?

  I'm going with real.

• 13:21Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Uh, it is a real flavor.

• 13:24David Pierce?

  Andrew, what?

• 13:25Speaker 07

  Oh no.

• 13:26David Pierce?

  Oh my god.

• 13:27Speaker 07

  We're drinking candy.

• 13:28Nilay Patel?

  I think Andrew is tossing the segment, so we don't know how much he likes G Fuel.

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Alright, the second flavor is Amnesty. Amnesty is a pina colada flavor.

• 13:40Nilay Patel?

  That's fake, I'm sorry. If it's real, it should be fake.

• 13:43Speaker 07

  That can't be real. That's a, that's a good way to think of G Fuel, though. If you think it should be fake, it's probably real.

• 13:48Nilay Patel?

  I think the entire concept of G Fuel, if it's real, should be fake. I'm ready.

• 13:52Speaker 04

  Two...

• 13:53Speaker 07

  Oh, gamer fuel.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  One.

• 13:54Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 07

  I have real.

• 13:57Nilay Patel?

  I'm going with fake.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  Alright, Amnesty is a fake flavor.

• 14:01David Pierce?

  Oh my god!

• 14:02Nilay Patel?

  It's very obvious that gamers do not drink pina coladas. It's a good point.

• 14:07Speaker 07

  That's great context. They'd rather drink cinnamon candy versus a pina colada?

• 14:12Speaker 06

  Wow, we're getting slayed.

• 14:13David Pierce?

  Yeah, we've been giving Andrew a lot of crap, and Dan's just over here getting all the answers right.

• 14:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 14:17David Pierce?

  I just want to point that out.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  The next flavor is Brimstone. Brimstone is a cran raspberry flavor.

• 14:25Speaker 07

  That sounds real.

• 14:26Speaker 06

  That sounds real to me.

• 14:26David Pierce?

  Man, it feels real.

• 14:27Speaker 06

  But Ellis is also really good.

• 14:28Speaker 07

  I'm going against you guys, sorry. Write whatever you think Dan didn't write. Okay.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  Three, two...

• 14:33Speaker 06

  Pick a number.

• 14:34Nilay Patel?

  Look at the way he's holding his card like on a plane.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  Flip him around.

• 14:37Speaker 07

  I have fake. Oh my god.

• 14:39Nilay Patel?

  I went with real.

• 14:41Speaker 06

  We already lost this, we have to have five rounds.

• 14:44Nilay Patel?

  Brimstone is exactly the sort of word that if you're targeting a teenage gamer.

• 14:48Speaker 07

  I think so. What was the flavor, though, again?

• 14:50Speaker 06

  You said fake.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Brimstone was crayon raspberry. It was a real flavor.

• 14:54Speaker 07

  That sounds like too good of a flavor for like...

• 14:55Nilay Patel?

  No, that is perfectly targeted at a 14-year-old boy.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  All right, I mean, brimstone, it sounds like something you hear in the Doom game when you beat the boss.

• 15:01Speaker 07

  No, I agree with that completely. I think that, I thought he was tricking us with that.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  The next flavor is type O, like the blood type. Type O is a passion fruit flavor.

• 15:11Speaker 06

  Why?

• 15:12Nilay Patel?

  That's actually, this is the hardest one.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  This could go either way.

• 15:14Speaker 06

  I think that's fake.

• 15:15Speaker 07

  G Fuel Passion.

• 15:16Speaker 06

  I think that's fake.

• 15:18Nilay Patel?

  I feel like...

• 15:18Speaker 07

  I'm at this point so I can blame you, dude.

• 15:20Speaker 06

  Wait, well...

• 15:21Speaker 04

  One. Flip. I'm going with fake. Type O is a real flavor of G Fuel. I thought it was just too on-brand.

• 15:30Speaker 06

  How...

• 15:30Speaker 04

  It's too obvious.

• 15:31Nilay Patel?

  You can't tell this because I'm brown, but I'm like embarrassed. Like, I'm like blushing at how stupid this entire situation is.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  All right, the final... I feel like we're winning, please.

• 15:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is just...

• 15:42Speaker 07

  Why do we use this for one of the three segments?

• 15:45Nilay Patel?

  This is so much talking about G Fuel.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  The final flavor of G Fuel for this round is bee sting. Bee sting is a fruity cereal with a dash of honey.

• 15:56Speaker 06

  I would, I think that's real.

• 15:59Nilay Patel?

  You know, like when you're watching an embarrassing TV show and you have to leave the room? I want out of this room so badly.

• 16:05Speaker 07

  The next one has to be good.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Is bee sting a real flavor? Flip him around. Going with fake.

• 16:10Speaker 07

  Fake.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  Bee sting is fake, but there is a flavor called scorpion sting.

• 16:15Nilay Patel?

  Wait, so why did you go with...

• 16:16Speaker 07

  He said it right.

• 16:17Speaker 06

  He meant to do this.

• 16:18Nilay Patel?

  There you go.

• 16:19Speaker 04

  My bad. Minus one point for the hosts.

• 16:21Speaker 07

  Nice.

• 16:22Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  I can't believe I ran that category, buddy.

• 16:25Speaker 07

  Great job, Dan.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  I never heard of G Fuel until you mentioned it. And now we've heard about it so much.

• 16:30Speaker 07

  A well-disguised knowledge of G Fuel over there.

• 16:33Speaker 06

  We kind of have to have more rounds, because otherwise we already lost.

• 16:36Nilay Patel?

  We didn't tell you this, but Dan snorts raw G Fuel everywhere.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  I don't even mix it. I just line the powder up.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  This next round is a favorite of ours here on Waveform Trivia. It is our... Audio round.

• 16:51Speaker 06

  Oh, boy.

• 16:51Speaker 04

  It is our audio round.

• 16:52Speaker 06

  Oh, I love this shit.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  We are going to play you a famous sound, and you have to tell us its source. Uh, so as an example, if you heard... Windows XP, baby. Exactly. I would not accept Windows, but I would accept Windows XP. You do not need to be as specific as "Windows XP startup sound." Windows XP would be enough.

• 17:14Nilay Patel?

  Oh, just like a general. Platinum Home Edition.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Exactly. But if you had said Windows, that is not.

• 17:18Nilay Patel?

  You know, you just played the Windows XP startup sound in the Apple office. Home Edition. Like the security series coming.

• 17:24Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. They're gonna be coming a lot today. Alright. This is Marquez versus Neely.

• 17:30Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 17:31Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Let's do it. The first sound is...

• 17:34Speaker 07

  I'm gonna try. David's very upset with me.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Oh, I know this one.

• 17:37Nilay Patel?

  Oh, yeah, it's his flip. I'm not upset with you.

• 17:39Speaker 07

  You're upset with me.

• 17:40Nilay Patel?

  I'm not. I wrote Netflix to Doom. I need to write bigger, is what I just learned.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  That is correct.

• 17:46Speaker 07

  I also wrote Netflix.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  I love it. The next sound is...

• 17:56Speaker 04

  Three, two, one. Marquez?

• 18:01Speaker 07

  Shot in the dark. Some PlayStation startup sound.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Which PlayStation?

• 18:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a wrong one.

• 18:10Nilay Patel?

  Never mind. PS5.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  That was the PS3.

• 18:14Nilay Patel?

  Well, shit.

• 18:14Speaker 07

  Oh, man.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  Alright, the next sound. Yeah, baby.

• 18:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, I had that.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Taking me back.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  Taking me back.

• 18:25Speaker 07

  I'm pretty confident about that one. This is one of the all-time greats.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  Let's flip them around. Marquez, what do you got?

• 18:28Speaker 07

  I use Skype a lot back in the day.

• 18:30Nilay Patel?

  Skype.

• 18:31Speaker 07

  Skype.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Two correct answers from our audio wizard.

• 18:34Nilay Patel?

  I think Skype still looks the best, by the way.

• 18:35Speaker 07

  Like the app?

• 18:35Nilay Patel?

  That's my feeling. Yeah.

• 18:36Speaker 07

  I haven't used it in years, so I don't actually know. Probably better than web apps.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  Let's move on to our next sound.

• 18:41Nilay Patel?

  Hard shot at Apple, inside the Apple building, again.

• 18:44Speaker 07

  I'm just saying.

• 18:46Speaker 04

  We tested out a few Apple sounds for this, but we either found they were too obvious or it was the impossible. I guess that's the beauty of Apple sound design. Up next, we have...

• 18:58Speaker 07

  Oh, easy.

• 19:04Speaker 07

  I don't know, actually.

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Dan is confident.

• 19:06Speaker 07

  I was joking, I was joking. I can see the animation when I hear it, I just don't remember if it-

• 19:10Speaker 04

  You can?

• 19:11Speaker 07

  You, you had that?

• 19:12Speaker 04

  Five.

• 19:13Speaker 07

  No, I didn't.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  Four.

• 19:14Speaker 07

  Then how do you see it?

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Three, two, one.

• 19:17Nilay Patel?

  Flip him and read.

• 19:18Speaker 07

  I said the PS Vita.

• 19:20Nilay Patel?

  I said Dolby Atmos.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  That was the Xbox Series X startup sound.

• 19:25Speaker 07

  I thought it might have been. Don't listen to me ever again.

• 19:26Nilay Patel?

  What was that? You said it so confidently, you're leaning back in your chair?

• 19:30Speaker 07

  I thought it was Dolby Digital, I was very confused.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  Alright, up next.

• 19:32Speaker 07

  That's exactly what it was.

• 19:36Nilay Patel?

  Oh shit. I hate this.

• 19:39Speaker 07

  Damn, that's a-

• 19:40Nilay Patel?

  It's, it's in my brain.

• 19:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  Any guesses?

• 19:43Speaker 07

  I wrote Meta Quest.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  Sorry. Eli? You're really pushing it.

• 19:48Nilay Patel?

  I know, I wrote PS5 this time. And it was wrong.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, that is the Hulu startup sound. That is the sound when you load the Hulu app.

• 19:55Nilay Patel?

  Do you know why I know this?

• 19:56Speaker 07

  I've never launched it in my life.

• 19:57Nilay Patel?

  I want to admit this to you. I know this because my wife is watching the Hillsong documentary on Hulu right now, and I've heard that sound a lot, and I thought to myself,

• 20:03Speaker 07

  From another room.

• 20:04Nilay Patel?

  This causes me pain. And then I immediately left to the PS5.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  That's so epic.

• 20:10Nilay Patel?

  No, because when I turn on my PS5, the Apple TV fights it. So it's like, this is the sound I hear before something dumb happens.

• 20:16Speaker 07

  When I turn on my LG TV, the PS5 also boots up and then fights the Chromecast.

• 20:20Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 20:20Speaker 07

  It's weird. We're nerds. Weird. Wait, what's the score right now for this category?

• 20:24Speaker 04

  Adam, what's our score?

• 20:25Speaker 07

  We lost.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Vergecast 12?

• 20:27Nilay Patel?

  Yeah!

• 20:28Speaker 04

  Waveform 7.

• 20:29Speaker 07

  Yikes.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Come on, boys, you're making us look bad.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  You know the G Fuel category was really just a random number generator, I don't know. It was like a hamster, like, picking stocks.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  Alright, this next one, we're gonna throw it back just a few years.

• 20:42Nilay Patel?

  Alright.

• 20:45Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 20:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, throwbacks don't really-

• 20:50Nilay Patel?

  Just confidently say some shit, Dan.

• 20:51Speaker 07

  Throwbacks don't hit me.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  I would say to you just-

• 20:54Speaker 07

  Play it again.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  Five, four, three, two, one and a half? One and three quarters?

• 21:02Nilay Patel?

  Something completely stupid.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  One. Flip him and read.

• 21:05Speaker 07

  Mark has, what is that? My mark is crapping out, but I said PlayStation 2. I'm sorry.

• 21:09Nilay Patel?

  I wrote Wii U. Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 04

  Oof, guys, this is Windows 98, unfortunately.

• 21:15Speaker 07

  Oh wow.

• 21:15Nilay Patel?

  No one used Windows 98.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Throwbacks?

• 21:17Nilay Patel?

  Everyone skipped from 95 to 2000 when they went to the NT core, come on.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  All hospitals everywhere disagree.

• 21:24Speaker 06

  Are you even a nurse?

• 21:25Nilay Patel?

  I was in the hospital when I was 17 years old.

• 21:28Speaker 07

  I was barely alive.

• 21:29Speaker 04

  One more category or you want to keep going through the audio?

• 21:32Speaker 07

  One more category.

• 21:33Speaker 04

  One more category.

• 21:34Speaker 07

  Down the line with every question.

• 21:35Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. I like that.

• 21:37Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 21:37Speaker 06

  Start with you guys and then we run down six questions. And how far ahead are we? Seven.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  Five points.

• 21:43Nilay Patel?

  We really should stop it.

• 21:46Speaker 06

  You're still gonna win. All right, you're still gonna win. How many G Fuel questions are left?

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Zero. But the next category is... Air Force One. All questions about Craig Federighi.

• 22:00Speaker 07

  Oh, boy. All right.

• 22:01Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 22:02Speaker 07

  Interesting. Interesting.

• 22:04Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  All right. First question. We all remember Craig's iconic slo-mo run from WWDC 2022, but what announcement was he running to?

• 22:15Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  The slo-mo transition.

• 22:17Speaker 07

  He ran downstairs.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Became a meme all over the place.

• 22:20Speaker 07

  He was just running straight. He was already in like a...

• 22:22Speaker 06

  The slo-mo transition? Oh.

• 22:24Speaker 07

  Was that the MacBook Air?

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Five.

• 22:27Speaker 07

  Maybe.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Three.

• 22:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, let's go with that.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  One.

• 22:31Speaker 06

  Guess.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Marquez?

• 22:33Speaker 07

  He was running down to M2.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  Oh, damn.

• 22:36Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. All right. I've written iOS question mark.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  The correct answer was iPad OS.

• 22:41Nilay Patel?

  That's what I said. It's the same thing.

• 22:43Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  It is not the same thing.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  iOS question mark basically is iPad OS.

• 22:48Speaker 07

  Then you don't get credit for iOS.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  iOS question mark kind of is iPad OS, though. Honestly.

• 22:53Speaker 06

  Let the record show.

• 22:53Speaker 07

  PlayStation, I was right.

• 22:54Speaker 06

  That I whispered iPad OS into my microphone, please.

• 22:58Speaker 04

  The next question is...

• 22:59Speaker 07

  We need these points, man.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Craig started working with Steve Jobs at a company that was not Apple. That company was called what?

• 23:07Speaker 06

  Oh, um...

• 23:08Speaker 07

  Jesus. I was not alive yet.

• 23:11Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 23:11Nilay Patel?

  Stop burning me because I'm old. I was already 25 years old. I'd had five jobs.

• 23:16Speaker 06

  I think it's this, right?

• 23:18Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 06

  Right?

• 23:20Nilay Patel?

  I have no idea.

• 23:22Speaker 06

  Four. I think we get two answers.

• 23:24Speaker 04

  Two.

• 23:24Speaker 07

  I don't... What does that say?

• 23:26Speaker 04

  One.

• 23:26Speaker 07

  Nevermind.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  David Pierce?

• 23:27Speaker 07

  I believe the company was called Next.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  That is correct. And that is your 13th point.

• 23:31Nilay Patel?

  As in, this is mine.

• 23:32Speaker 06

  I also said Next.

• 23:33Speaker 07

  Good work.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Way to go, David.

• 23:35Speaker 06

  Way to go, David. I was not yet alive.

• 23:36Speaker 07

  David's tearing it up over here.

• 23:37Speaker 06

  Tearing it up.

• 23:38Nilay Patel?

  I was super alive, bruh.

• 23:40Speaker 06

  Here's a fun trivia fact. The internet...

• 23:42Nilay Patel?

  I was living the dream with my next cube.

• 23:46Speaker 07

  Never heard of this company. Alright, Alice. We knew that.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  Alright, next question.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Craig Federighi once rick-rolled the audience at WWDC. What Apple app was he showing off new features for when he did this?

• 24:01Nilay Patel?

  Oh god.

• 24:02Speaker 07

  Better be Safari. What Apple app? Can you tell us what year it was?

• 24:05Speaker 04

  2015.

• 24:06Speaker 06

  Thank you. That was probably, that's probably when that came out. Yeah, it wasn't here.

• 24:10Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 24:10Speaker 04

  Five, four, three, two, and one.

• 24:15Nilay Patel?

  I don't like this at all.

• 24:16Speaker 07

  This feels too obvious.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Andy?

• 24:18Speaker 07

  Put Apple Music.

• 24:20Nilay Patel?

  I went with iMovie.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  The correct answer was Safari.

• 24:23Nilay Patel?

  I do, I'm so sorry! I should have just said Safari. I'm so sorry!

• 24:28Speaker 07

  I said that and we erased it. Oh.

• 24:30Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, it was obviously Safari.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  Two more questions in the Craig round. First question. Craig almost always wears a shirt of a shade of what color?

• 24:40Speaker 07

  That's too easy, I knew I was getting that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need a, like, a good five-point question. That's true. You know? I still think we'd lose.

• 24:49Nilay Patel?

  I believe you.

• 24:50Speaker 07

  No, we, we tied. Do you not immediately know? No. I mean, I did.

• 24:53Nilay Patel?

  Wow!

• 24:55Speaker 07

  Is it weird that I know that? I knew that too, actually. I think, is this weird? Weird, no.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  Three, two, one.

• 25:01Speaker 07

  It's definitely blue, yeah.

• 25:02Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, it's blue.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Two correct answers.

• 25:04Speaker 07

  For sure.

• 25:05Nilay Patel?

  Two points.

• 25:05Speaker 07

  Final answer. A lot of genes on stage. Let's go. Last one.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Our last Craig question is...

• 25:10Nilay Patel?

  Finally, the question was what color was the shirt? That was good. Alright, David, save the game for us.

• 25:15Speaker 07

  Forget it.

• 25:15Nilay Patel?

  Neil, you gotta pass it to him.

• 25:16Speaker 07

  I will, save the game for you guys.

• 25:18Nilay Patel?

  You got it.

• 25:19Speaker 04

  I'm ending, I'm sorry Craig, I'm ending the Craig round here, we have time for one more question. The question is, and this is a David V David question, but all are welcome to chime in. What is the flagship Vox Media technology podcast?

• 25:35Nilay Patel?

  Oh, good.

• 25:36Speaker 07

  Do you want a serious answer?

• 25:38Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 25:40Nilay Patel?

  It's the weeds.

• 25:42Speaker 07

  Wait, it's just right what's on the back. Oh, yeah.

• 25:45Nilay Patel?

  It's decoder.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Three, two, one. Flip him and read.

• 25:51Speaker 07

  Vergeform. The phrase you're looking for is the goddamn Vergecast.

• 25:57Nilay Patel?

  David threw you a bone.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  I don't know, David points to you in the heart. But, uh, I'm just gonna say, you're both wrong for some reason.

• 26:05Speaker 04

  And those are our questions for this evening, guys. G Fuel.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  In second place, we have Waveform with nine points.

• 26:17Nilay Patel?

  No, first place in our hearts. Come on, man. That was super fun.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Flagship Vox Media Technology Podcast, maybe?

• 26:23Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, the Waveform Podcast, obviously.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  Our winners of trivia this evening, Vergecast with 14 points.

• 26:31Nilay Patel?

  Give it up for G Fuel, our sponsor. Well done, Dan. Good job, David.

• 26:34Speaker 08

  Channel sponsor G Fuel.

• 26:37Nilay Patel?

  Well played. Good game.

• 26:38Speaker 08

  Well done.

• 26:38Nilay Patel?

  Great job. Dan did it. Great job. Brimstone for life.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  You did better. Nilay Marquez, take us out.

• 26:45Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 26:46Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 07

  Rock and roll.

• 26:48Nilay Patel?

  Rock and roll. How do you guys end your show?

• 26:50Speaker 07

  Uh.

• 26:51Nilay Patel?

  Just peter out?

• 26:52Speaker 07

  Thanks for what? Yeah.

• 26:53Nilay Patel?

  We kind of just peter out.

• 26:56Nilay Patel?

  You're just trying to get canceled. Yeah. No, that was super fun. Thank you all for watching. It was incredible. We're gonna do more collabs in the future. This was a really great time. Brimstone for life. Now you can say it.

• 27:07Speaker 07

  Rock and roll.

• 27:08Nilay Patel?

  There you go.

• 27:18Speaker 09

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• 27:49Speaker 10

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