Ep. 707: MeatEater Radio Live! Mountain Lions, Hot Gear Tips, and Freaky Sheds

Hosts Janis Putelis https://www.themeateater.com/people/janis-putelis, Brody Henderson https://www.themeateater.com/people/brody-henderson, and Cory Calkins https://www.themeateater.com/people/cory-calkinsrecount spring hunts, catch up with Bart George https://www.themeateater.com/people/bart-george, Director of Wildlife for the Kalispel Tribe, about his latest mountain lion research, shepherd a triumphant return of Gear Talk, and have an antler themed show & tell. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Steven Rinella?

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• 1:06Steven Rinella?

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• 2:22Speaker 03

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. The Meat Eater Podcast.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. mountain time. Now, it's 1 p.m. for our friends in Kalamazoo, Michigan. On Thursday, May 22nd, exactly one week before my 47th birthday.

• 2:59Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Hey. Yeah, I'm fresh out of a yoga studio, but right now, we're live from Meat Eater World Headquarters in Bozeman. I'm your host, Yannis Matelas, and today, I'm joined by Brody Henderson and Cory Calkins. On today's show, we're gonna chat mountain lions with my friend Bart George. We're trying a new segment called Gear Talk, where we talk about equipment we love. We'll pause for listener feedback, so get those questions coming in the chat. We each brought in a special item that we'll share in show and tell. We might have a conversation with fishing guy Josh Miller and his lucky fishing charm and turkey co-captain Ryder, which I don't know if I pronounced that right.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  It's got kind of a funny spelling. We'll discuss haircuts as well, but first, we're going to tell hunting stories. Corey, Brody, great to see you, fellas. Corey, do you smell that updog?

• 3:58Speaker 06

  You know, we had about a dozen hot dogs in here last week. Is that the updog you're referring to?

• 4:04Speaker 04

  What's up dog is the answer to my question.

• 4:06Speaker 06

  Oh, what's up dog?

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 4:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 4:09Speaker 06

  Not much.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  Okay, for those of you listening in at home, these boys thought that joke would really land with you guys, so I hope you're all giggling.

• 4:16Speaker 05

  That wasn't my joke. That was Corey's joke.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Corey and Phil.

• 4:19Speaker 06

  Hey, this is your script. Just remember that.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  I'm owning it. I'm gonna own it. Um, it does smell. I, I'm not smelling it, but you guys are saying you smell hot dogs.

• 4:30Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  A week ago, Randall was in here pounding hot dogs.

• 4:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  Did anybody else have any? I had one.

• 4:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, Phil had one. I think Lake and Tony Peterson had one. It was dog week, so we celebrated four-legged dogs and the food variety, hot dogs.

• 4:44Speaker 05

  The wiener dog?

• 4:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  I'm kinda sorry I missed out on that.

• 4:48Speaker 06

  You should have been here. Yeah, we had some steamed buns and some hot mustard.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Super tasty.

• 4:52Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Hot mustard, as in spicy or warmed up?

• 4:56Speaker 06

  Well, it was warmed up when you put it on the hot dog.

• 4:59Speaker 05

  Hmm. I like sweet, hot mustard.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 5:02Speaker 06

  I like the spicy brown.

• 5:03Speaker 05

  Me too.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Uh, we recently at Turkey Camp had, uh,

• 5:09Speaker 04

  Olympia provisions, frankfurter. Those jokers, I'm not kidding you, I didn't measure them, but they're over a foot long. It says right on the package, more meat than your bun can handle.

• 5:21Speaker 05

  Wow. So, did you double bun them?

• 5:24Speaker 04

  Uh, no, I cut them in half and, and went, went two, two franks in, in one bun.

• 5:30Speaker 05

  Cook them on sticks or on a stove?

• 5:32Speaker 04

  Uh, stove top. Yep, yep. Just made it quick and easy and, uh, got everybody fed. But, uh, yeah, extremely tasty, uh, frankfurter. They also make this, uh, sausage, uh, I've become fond of. It's a, uh, I don't know, pretty plain Jane, uh, pork sausage, but it's stuffed, it's got some chunks of Swiss cheese in it and it's smoked just a little bit.

• 5:55Speaker 06

  Yum.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  Delicious.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  Wow. So, kinda like-

• 5:57Speaker 04

  Olympia provisions.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  Like a cheddar brat or like?

• 6:00Speaker 04

  A cheddar brat, but, uh, upscale.

• 6:03Speaker 05

  Upscale.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  High end.

• 6:04Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. And no, no high temp cheese in there.

• 6:07Speaker 05

  Right.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:08Speaker 06

  Where, where can you find these?

• 6:09Speaker 04

  It's legit. Um, I believe you can get them. I know for sure, cause the owner was telling me that he recently got into Whole Foods, which he was very happy about. But I, I think you can get them all over the place. Um, but yeah, Olympia provisions, check it out.

• 6:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's Memorial Weekend. Go get your hot dogs.

• 6:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, there you go. You wanna try something different than just the old Oscar Mayer. Um, hot stories. Who wants to go first?

• 6:34Speaker 05

  Well, you're, you're up first, it looks like.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Oh, well.

• 6:37Speaker 05

  Unless you wanna be like the big finale.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  I'm happy. Listen, I got a, I got a couple dandies.

• 6:45Speaker 04

  I'm gonna start with this one. Have you guys ever heard Steven Rinella blow on a crow call?

• 6:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, but he's not, I, I know where you're going with this. I don't think he's trying to sound like a crow. He's just trying to make a bunch of like irritating noise.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  You're a hundred percent right. I know this as well. I've always been like right next to him, right? When he blows his loud one and then he goes, I know it doesn't sound like a crow call, but it gets results, you know? And I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah, that works. Okay. This is what happened this weekend though. Mabel and I, my youngest are out. Get on a bird in the roost, aren't quite in the right spot, have a hen fly down just out of range, but then she goes over a little rise. Gobbler follows her. So we end up sort of parallel them along. He's gobbling decent. Like peeking over these little hills. I can see them. They're in this giant meadow. So we're kind of pinned and I'm telling Mabel, listen, we're just gonna be patient.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  And when they make a mistake by going into a little draw or around a corner, we're gonna make a move. And Mabel don't care if we call the bird in or if she bushwax it, right? She just wants a dead gobbler. So we're sitting there being patient, just kind of watching them feed through this meadow. And all of a sudden I hear wee, wee, wee. And I look at Mabel, I go, what the hell was that? You know, she's like, I don't know. And a couple of minutes go by and it didn't just, it just didn't register with me at first. And a couple of minutes go by and wee, wee. I go, oh. That's someone like replicating Steven Rinella's.

• 8:25Speaker 05

  Or Steve's boat in your spot.

• 8:26Speaker 04

  Call. I doubt it. I think he was in Alaska, but I'm like, it was very startling to me. Well, sure enough, we're like watching these turkeys and all of a sudden those turkeys are like.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  Doing this.

• 8:39Speaker 05

  How close was it? Like, did it sound like that guy was on top of you?

• 8:42Speaker 04

  No, because we eventually saw him.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  So basically there was a, a big giant meadow that kind of led up to this hill and he was on top of the hill.

• 8:50Speaker 05

  But he was after the same birds.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know if he was, cause he was shot calling, right? So I don't know if he knew, he probably heard those birds from a distance and they had come in and was trying to, you know, relocate them. Again, I don't know for sure if these turkeys saw the guy. Cause not long after we saw the turkey spook, I see the guy like hot footing it across the ridge trying to catch him, which is crazy. Ain't gonna catch a turkey after you spook them, you know? But, uh,

• 9:20Speaker 04

  I'd always agree with Steve, like, oh, you're probably right. You're just making a loud noise. You get a shock gobble. Great. These turkeys might've had an adverse reaction to that sound.

• 9:31Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  Cause they definitely, when they heard that, we were looking right at them. Their heads popped up and they were like, what's up? You know, and they, they sort of started looking. And then again, I don't know at what point they saw the dude or if they saw the dude, but it didn't last much longer. And Mabel had her first experience of what it's like hunting publicly. When it doesn't go right.

• 9:53Speaker 05

  It's kinda, it'd be interesting to know if that noise is what spooked them. I, I was in Pennsylvania a couple of years ago, turkey hunting. And we were hunting kind of a small, couple hundred acres and there were some other dudes hunting the next property over. And we, it, first thing in the morning, like, we happened to be right on the, the edge of that, you know, like the property line. And I was cutting loose with a coyote call. And this other turkey hunter like pops up next to us. He's like, we don't use those to shot. Like he was pissed that I was using a coyote howler, which I've always had like excellent results with, like before fly down. He's like, that just scares the turkeys.

• 10:32Speaker 05

  Like, I don't know. It's worked pretty good for me in the past, but maybe a noise could, you know, an adverse noise could do it. I don't know.

• 10:41Speaker 06

  I was hoping you were gonna say after you heard that noise that you looked over and saw a blue jay or something actually making the noise.

• 10:47Speaker 04

  I wish.

• 10:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  No, it was, it, it was startling and it was definitely out of place. It just took me a second to register exactly what the hell it was.

• 10:57Speaker 06

  Well, did you guys get any birds then after that mishap?

• 11:00Speaker 04

  Uh, Mabel did not. We ended, we moved spots and, uh, did a, did a, not a big, not a power loop, but we did another loop. And, uh, I'm proud of her cause the couple of days before we did do a power loop and, uh, 11 year old, I think she stuck with me for like seven miles. Of pounding the ground and making lots of crow calls and loud yelps with no, zero responses.

• 11:25Speaker 04

  Uh, we had some crappy weather, uh, some wind makes it tough. You know, any times, sun's out, guns out with turkeys, you know? When the sun's out, they're playing ball. And it's nice, they're playing ball when it ain't. Sure, you can still kill them, but it's just, it's not as, as much fun, it's not as easy for sure. Um, so we ended up killing, uh, uh, I don't know, we killed, uh, Ina killed the tom at a different location on the way out there Thursday morning. And, uh, I doubled up on jakes, my wife doubled up on jakes, she and I were together. She shot one, the rest of them were standing around and she looks at me, I'm like, yeah, shoot another one.

• 12:04Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, man. When a gang of them comes in and you're holding two tags.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. It, you know, a couple of guys on Instagram, you know, had to say something about, cause I was like, well, toms are hard to find. So I was happy that we, when we shot these jakes. And they're like, well, yeah, no wonder there's, toms are hard to find when you're pounding the jakes.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  There, certainly there is some truth to that, but also hunting public land. It's like, and all the other things that love to eat turkeys.

• 12:34Speaker 05

  Right.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  It, it's hard to say that if us killing two jakes would have equaled more jakes next year, or if it's gonna be, or sorry, more toms next year, or if it's gonna be the same amount. Certainly there would have been two more that maybe would have made it, but we all know that, you know, what are, what are the chances that turkey makes it from egg to two-year-old gobbler? It's like one in 50 or something crazy like that.

• 12:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, and like, I get it, like the not killing Jake things. Like maybe back east where there's just a lot more hunters and a lot more hunting pressure. And some of those turkey populations are

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:09Speaker 05

  On their way down, but it's just a different situation out here.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Oh, for sure. Yeah, Brent Reeves tell you it's sacrilege, you know, to do it down there. They just will not shoot jakes unless you're a kid or it's your first time hunt, hunt. And the way I'm looking at it, I'm like, man, that's turkey schnitzel walking around on two legs.

• 13:28Speaker 05

  And it's still like, you're taking, whether it's a gobbler or Jake, you're taking a turkey out of the population.

• 13:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:35Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 13:36Speaker 06

  Well, you can shoot hens in the fall. Obviously after the breeding season. Yeah, well, in Montana.

• 13:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 06

  Referring to, so.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, everything was bushwhacked, didn't call in nothing in Montana.

• 13:51Speaker 05

  Listen, this is, I've been wanting to have this conversation about bushwhacking for a while. Like.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Let's have it. I wish I had a drop for this.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  Oh, no, it's like, there are, there's a certain contingent of turkey hunters that really look down their nose at bushwhacking. Like, the purity of calling them in, and I get it. But if you've ever tried to like, stalk a turkey, you might, like, if you haven't tried it, and then you go try it, you might have a different opinion about it, because they're not easy to stalk.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  I guarantee you, that half the people that look down on it is because, yeah, they haven't tried it, or they, or they have a little bit and they can't do it.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  Right.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  Because it's too hard to do.

• 14:33Speaker 05

  Like, it's way harder than stalking, a spot and stalk rifle hunt for mule deer, elk, or whatever.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, man.

• 14:42Speaker 06

  Try stalking an eagle in the tree, they got the same eyesight.

• 14:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I always say, man, a turkey doesn't have to, 100 yards, 200 yards, doesn't have to look over and go, oh, I just saw Corey Culkin skyline himself. He just sees like, Corey Culkin's hat brim, yeah, move 90 degrees, and he goes, I don't know what that was exactly, but I'm gonna just go the other direction, just to be sure. Because, ever since I was born, ever since I came out of my mom's cloaca, something's been trying to eat me.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, listen, it's just the way it is. Would I still, do I love calling them in?

• 15:20Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  Which is why I'm gonna tell you this story, because in Colorado, I bushwhacked one too.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  Uh, couldn't call one in there, they were super hen up. But I get, I get to Wisconsin, I got one day to hunt. Well, I had two, but I knew the second day was just gonna pour rain all day, so. It wasn't gonna be a good day of turkey hunt. So I have kinda chased a couple off the roost, but they get on to the neighbors and I can't call them back in. And long story short, I crisscrossed 400 acres for like four hours, maybe longer. Yeah, cuz I probably started at five. Now it's noon, I'm heading back to camp, kinda worn out. Coming down one last ridge, still calling, and I get an answer. Sweet. Do a little loop, I kinda know where they're at.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  I'm set up on this, I set up on this little bench and I got the roll of the bench. Definitely not 15 yards away, maybe closer to 10, it's not far. I tried to get, I tried to back off the edge a little bit, so I could have a little more room to work. But everything behind me was kind of, there was no shade. And right where I was, there was a pine tree and it was shaded, and I was like, man, it'd be better to hide in the shade. So I sit down, I don't even call, I just do a couple scratches in the leaves. Bah! And there's two birds, like right gobble on top of each other. Got my gun up, I'm ready, and I can hear them walking. That's one of the beautiful things about hunting them in the eastern deciduous forest, man, is when they're on those dry crunchy oak leaves.

• 16:55Speaker 04

  You can just hear them coming. Um, I can taste the schnitzel at this point, you know? Well, the first one pops up, blue and white head, his head pops up. Looks for a half a second, boom, full strut, you know, I'm like, oh, sweet! And I don't shoot, I hesitate for whatever reason, cuz I was just enjoying the show, I guess. Well, where he popped up, just his right, my looker's left, there's like a double trunked oak, and he like immediately is behind it. And uh-

• 17:28Speaker 05

  Which normally is a good thing, cuz you can like-

• 17:30Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 17:31Speaker 05

  Get into position, right?

• 17:32Speaker 04

  Right, but there's two birds. So I'm thinking, well, no big deal, I'm just gonna track through that tree. And when he pops out the other side, I'm gonna, I'm gonna roll him, you know?

• 17:42Speaker 05

  And he's close, how close, like-

• 17:44Speaker 04

  Like I said, less than 15.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Well, I get like halfway through this double trunk tree and I just look out of the corner of my eye and the second gobbler's head pops up. Well, this dude is not white and blue. It's full red. And when I see him, I'm thinking, okay, I should probably need to swing back and shoot him. Well, as I'm just thinking that, that bird puts one time and is in it on his wings. And the other bird is on his wings. I never even seen this, the first one again, and both of them pitch off into the woods, never to be touched by Yanni's TSS.

• 18:18Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  Moral of the story is,

• 18:24Speaker 04

  like,

• 18:24Speaker 05

  Take your first opportunity?

• 18:26Speaker 04

  I wasn't in like full kill mode.

• 18:28Speaker 05

  Right.

• 18:29Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  Uh, even though I had just been pounding it for seven, eight hours. And I, here's my opportunity. I could have rolled him and I just hesitated and, and there you go. It was bad. Like my stomach, I haven't had like a stomach in the, in the bottom of my, what's this, what's what am I trying to say? Like the, you know, when you get that pit feeling in your, in your stomach.

• 18:53Speaker 06

  Say my stomach falls out of itself.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, something like that. Like I haven't had that, that bad for a while. Like I was close to camp, five minute walk. And I almost didn't want to go back to tell the story because it was hurting me so bad.

• 19:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, some of them hurt, man.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  Muffed it.

• 19:09Speaker 05

  It's good to have those hunts now and then that really hurt.

• 19:12Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 19:12Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  It's good to be humbled. That's why I love the wild turkey because that joker humbles me. And, uh, yeah. So that's about all of my turkey hunting stories.

• 19:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, a little, a little while back, I was out with, uh, my older son. And, uh, sprung him out of school after he had a good baseball game the night before and, um,

• 19:39Speaker 05

  We we got into the spot, slept slept in the truck, got up, hiked into our spot. Um, hit the coyote howler a few times, didn't hear anything, hit it again, didn't hear anything, hit it again, like real aggressively and wham, three gobbles. I'm like, okay, I kind of know where they're at, but we we we're just like a little too late with the light. And so like, I didn't want to push it and get in there tight and have Marty on the ground and see us. So we set up, it was probably, I don't know, it was more than 200 yards away, right? Um, but I just didn't want to move. I was like, we're just going to be patient and they'll come like, and we I called and they'd answer. I called they they weren't getting any

• 20:24Speaker 05

  closer. We ended up sitting in that spot for an hour and it was cold, like, like cold enough that I was getting ready to be like, screw it, we're gonna walk just to warm up and get closer. Um, and we hear, like, it obviously in range, but same thing over a little lip, this hen start just starts making a racket, like yelping and cutting and yelping and cutting to the point where I was

• 20:53Speaker 04

  Looking for you.

• 20:54Speaker 05

  To the point where I was like, Hayden, I think there's a dude down there. Cause it was just, it sounded almost unnatural. It was so like aggressive and loud. You know what I mean? I was like, I think there's a guy in here with us. And I was like, my heart was just like broken at that point. Um, but then I I see Hayden, I see Hayden like shift his gun this way. And I see that hen's head pop up. I was like, don't shoot, that's a hen. She ends up coming into we we I don't carry decoys a lot, but I had them that time. And we had a quarter strut Jake and then a hen on the ground. She came up to those decoys, puffed up like a gobbler,

• 21:35Speaker 05

  strutting, making all kinds of noise, like not paying any attention to the Jake decoy, just walking circles around that hen, very irritated. Um, and then kind of like gave up on it and wandered off. Then we see a lone gobbler out at like 80, 90 yards and he takes a long time coming in. He gets to like, oh, 35, 40 and I and I'll tell Hayden to cut loose on him.

• 22:06Speaker 05

  Immediately after he shoots, we hear three gobbles also in range. Like right from where that hen came from. I'm like, can you see him? Can you see him? Can you see? And finally, he's like, I see him. And they get in the decoys and do the little dance around the decoys. And when we get a couple of those.

• 22:25Steven Rinella?

  Nice. You got three gobblers in one morning?

• 22:27Speaker 05

  Well, one gobbler.

• 22:29Steven Rinella?

  Oh, and two jigs?

• 22:30Speaker 05

  Yeah. So that was exciting because he's never had that kind of show before.

• 22:35Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  And it like reinforced to me and definitely him like if you sit tight, like good things will happen.

• 22:43Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 05

  So.

• 22:45Steven Rinella?

  I'm guilty of walking too much when it's turkey season for sure.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, last weekend of the season, this weekend here in Montana. So I'm going to take my younger kid. We're going camping and we're in a camp in a spot where we might have a shot at a turkey.

• 23:00Steven Rinella?

  Hmm, nice. Good. So, so he hasn't been out at all.

• 23:04Speaker 05

  Just timing, man, sports and whatnot.

• 23:06Steven Rinella?

  Oh, man, those sports.

• 23:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 23:11Steven Rinella?

  Priorities.

• 23:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

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• 25:51Speaker 06

  I was in Town and Country the other day and I was coming around the poultry aisle and saw a turkey and I went and crept in real slow and then I went up and smacked him. He was frozen. So that was my turkey hunting I did this year.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  Well, congrats.

• 26:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, I didn't buy them, but I could have, could have, could have tagged that one.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  Could have tagged that one.

• 26:07Speaker 06

  But I've been bear hunting.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  Yep, you've been bear hunting.

• 26:09Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 26:10Speaker 04

  How many days did you put in bear hunting?

• 26:12Speaker 06

  Man, it was pretty quick this year, only three. Typically I hunt, I don't know, 10 to 14 days. It's easy these long days to just get in a couple hours after work and I call that a day because it ends up being an eight hour adventure.

• 26:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 26:25Speaker 06

  But I went.

• 26:28Speaker 06

  Uh, the last week of April spotted a bunch of bears, ended up going back to the same spot the first weekend in May and stayed overnight spotted a bear uh in the evening and then in the morning. Was hyper focused on the drainage that I saw him in and found him again about two miles away, closed the distance to.

• 26:46Speaker 04

  Two miles from where you first inspired him or two miles from where you were at?

• 26:49Speaker 06

  About two miles from where I first spotted him. Sorry, like glassed him up two miles away, is what I'm trying to say. And then probably an hour and a half later, I was within ninety yards of him and I shot him on the run, running away. Biggest bear I've ever harvested.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  You spooked him?

• 27:05Speaker 06

  I did.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Like winded, yeah?

• 27:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was trying to play the wind as the thermals were switching around. Uh, they move so much all the time, but in the spring, the Bruins especially are just cruising, roaming. Looking for that fresh patch of grass or new flowers or something dead.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:21Speaker 06

  And I watched this guy cruise probably a solid half a mile and he luckily stopped in the drainage that I last watched him go into.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  But you couldn't see him until you were on top of him?

• 27:31Speaker 06

  Right, yeah, he went into this thick, not super thick, but thick enough to where I couldn't see him until I was on him and got up into this, into the drainage that he was in. And figured he had left because I didn't see him. I was about to set up and predator call and I heard a stick pop right below me and then just saw a flash of black. Probably, that was probably forty yards away and then he would, I could tell he was running away. Uh, and there was this little gap between some, a tree and a cliff. And I shot him right through that little gap, probably about ninety yards.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Was he full on hauling ass?

• 28:02Speaker 06

  As fast as he could go. He's a, he had a big butt on him, so he couldn't go very fast.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  I mean, them bears, you know, they do thirty, forty miles an hour.

• 28:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, this guy, like I could tell by the way he was running was huge and I knew he was big when I saw him from miles away, like I wanted to kill him. I could tell it was a boar from that far away. Uh, and I saw him the night before and.

• 28:24Speaker 04

  Did you have to lead him?

• 28:26Speaker 06

  No, it was so close that I just put it right behind the shoulder. And that's where it went.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  Did you bring in a picture of him?

• 28:32Speaker 06

  No, I didn't. Got it up on my Instagram.

• 28:35Speaker 05

  I saw the picture.

• 28:36Speaker 06

  C-Man Calkins.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  C-Man Calkins.

• 28:38Speaker 05

  Great big noggin on him.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I'm pretty tickled. Yeah, that looked like a, that looked like a dandy.

• 28:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm tickled. His skull, I mean, it hasn't had time to, you know, do the, the green scored the skull at 20 inches. So.

• 28:51Speaker 05

  Which is B and C minimum.

• 28:53Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. So it might shrink under that again, we'll see. But, yeah, got the hide in the freezer, fat in chunks, ready to render, meats in the freezer. Feeling good.

• 29:04Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  What are you gonna do with the hide?

• 29:06Speaker 06

  I'd like to get a rug made, but we'll see. Gonna have to save up a couple of paychecks for that one.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Dude.

• 29:12Speaker 06

  It's not cheap.

• 29:13Speaker 04

  I know.

• 29:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  I don't wanna say I'm going on a guaranteed hunt, but, uh, the outfitter that I'm going with next week in Manitoba, uh, he's texting me, I think, two days in a row, and one day he's like, "We killed four last night." And the next day he's like, "We killed five last night." I'm like, "Hold on. Is that like, you forgot about one and that was from two nights ago? Or you guys killed nine bears in two days?" He's like, "Oh yeah, we got nine in two days." And then he just like lists all of the numbers. Um, baited, um, you know, in Manitoba. Sounds like there's a lot of bears there. Um, so, not guaranteed, but, high probability.

• 29:51Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  And, uh, yeah, I'm not looking forward to, uh, the, the rug bill.

• 29:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  It's a big one. I've got.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  I think I'm just gonna tan it and just hang it.

• 30:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, depends on how big he gets.

• 30:02Speaker 05

  I was just talking to Corey about this, man, like, that's what I did with my first bear, which was a giant. And for two years, I just looked at that tan thing hanging there, just like wishing I had gotten a rug made, and then I had a rug made out of it.

• 30:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, if they have a big old noggin, I mean, I feel like it's worth foaming that out, just so you can relive that.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  Did it cost you any less or more when you got the tax?

• 30:25Speaker 05

  It'll cost you a few hundred less if you get it tanned first, cause otherwise they gotta send it off to get tanned before they make the rug.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause I don't, I want it to sit right on the floor in front of my wood.

• 30:38Speaker 05

  Right.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  Wood, wood burning stove, and I don't really have that set up yet for it, so I don't, I don't need the rug right now.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:44Speaker 06

  Well, we'll see what kinda bear you get. See how big his head is first.

• 30:49Speaker 06

  That's exciting, though.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  You just stuff some newspaper up in that head after you get it.

• 30:53Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, there you go.

• 30:54Speaker 04

  All right, do we need to move on, Phil? I think it's time. All right, well, those were good hunting stories, fellas. Thank you. Um, all right, next. Oh, Catch Crayfish Counting the Stars is now available in paperback.

• 31:08Speaker 05

  Right here, here it is.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Why does it take, um, take them like, uh, two years to decide to put something out in paperback?

• 31:16Speaker 05

  So, uh, the time varies, but it's the decision that the publisher makes, uh, based on, you know, when they think the timing is right for a paperback.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  But they obviously, it's based on probably on sales of the

• 31:27Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  hardcover too, right?

• 31:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:30Speaker 04

  So it's done well enough, it's been popular enough to release it in paperback.

• 31:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, definitely. So it's out now, um, lots of cool activities in there for, for your kids, outdoor activities. Um, Corey, what's your, what's your favorite one in there?

• 31:45Speaker 06

  Man, there's a lot of good stuff in here, but, uh,

• 31:47Speaker 04

  How many have you actually done? With your kid?

• 31:51Speaker 06

  Man, I have

• 31:51Speaker 04

  With Marshall?

• 31:52Speaker 06

  To be honest, I haven't looked through the whole book. I, this is one of those where you could just like flip to a page.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:57Speaker 06

  And then, you know, like find the, the, uh, most recent chapter that they're talking about and just go from there. Like, a couple winters ago, we flipped to the Make Your Own Aquarium. And we did that. Caught a little, uh,

• 32:09Speaker 04

  Really?

• 32:09Speaker 06

  perch from a local pond and maybe threw him in there. Find an antler. That's pretty fun to do this time of year, but I flipped to Go Rock Hounding and we're gonna go look for some quartz and agates this weekend.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  Oh, nice.

• 32:23Speaker 06

  It kinda just spun off of reading this book.

• 32:27Speaker 06

  Great ideas in there.

• 32:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that's easy to do right there. Go for a walk and pick some rocks.

• 32:32Speaker 06

  Oh, easy peasy.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  You'll go for just those two rocks, but your kid will come back with a box of rocks.

• 32:38Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Of, it could just be gravel.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've had to rewild some rocks recently.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Oh, I do it all the time.

• 32:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  Cause my wife's, my wife is bad about it. The kids are kinda like, eh, but my wife like will not let a piece of petrified wood stay on the banks of the Yellowstone River. It's coming home.

• 32:56Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 32:58Speaker 05

  Um, be honest, what's your, what's your favorite one?

• 33:00Speaker 04

  I, I'll be honest, I haven't done many, uh, but I did do one be- before the book was out and then wrote the, the little how to to do it, which was to build a PVC bow, which is an idea I think I got from Jimmy Miller, but, uh, yeah, man, it's, uh, super easy. And, uh, you still need to make some arrow. Do we, is there a how to make some arrows along with?

• 33:22Speaker 05

  No, we didn't go that far with it. That's, that's getting serious.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you, you gotta have, but we, I just used old hunting arrows of mine, but, uh, you just take a chunk of PVC and some string and cut some notches in the PVC and use some tape for a, a little handle and a, and a, uh, arrow rest and, uh, you got yourself a bow that, uh, my kids, they ran around in princess outfits.

• 33:48Speaker 05

  I remember when they were little running around.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 04

  Just flinging those arrows all around.

• 33:53Speaker 05

  See an arrow.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. You gotta, you gotta wear a helmet in the backyard.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Bro, what about, what's your, what's your?

• 34:02Speaker 05

  Uh, there's a couple in there that I'm partial to, the, the track and animal and the read animal sign one. I think that teaches kids a lot.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  Um, like looking at poop, looking at whatever, hair, feathers, whatever they can find. You know, maybe it's a snake skin on the ground. I like, I just think kids are like naturally like, the biophilia thing is like just built into them. So I like, those are a couple of activities that play into that that I like a lot. And, and it's going to teach them to be a better hunter, you know?

• 34:36Speaker 05

  But there's, I don't know, 75 more activities in there, like everything from gardening to fishing to like history. There's all kinds of stuff.

• 34:48Speaker 04

  All the kids that I know that have that book, love it.

• 34:51Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  Yep. Absolutely love it.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. Such a great one to just throw in the camper in the back of the truck. If you're even just going to a local park.

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:58Speaker 06

  So many activities in there.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  You wouldn't just think about.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  Yep. All right, let's kind of tie this together with activities for kids. Getting kids into hunting and also Mabel's turkey, because she didn't get a turkey when we were out on our big trip. But she did kill a, uh, Yanni's ranch bird the other night.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Who, that's been causing some strife and actually Jennifer's not home, my wife. But when we told her, she's like, I told you guys not to kill that bird. And we're like, did you? We thought you just said like, you didn't want us to kill that bird. You didn't say you can't kill that bird. We tried to kill him two other days. One time in the evening and he stayed over the roll and then he just kept gobbling. And finally I'm like, did he roost? And I went and peeked over to the hill and sure enough, he's in the tree. So the next morning, my oldest and I, we get up at 5 a.m. And I got her sitting on the deck.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Like in the dark, waiting for it to get light. Well, I didn't, because I dropped back to call a little bit, so I didn't see. But the gobbler was in plain view of Aina. And so of course, like it was doomed from the beginning. Because even a, I don't know, Jennifer's like, you guys are killing a half domesticated bird. I'm like, yeah, kind of like, this bird's not, doesn't live in suburbia. Like everybody around us lives on 10 to 40 acres or something. There's coyotes around, there's foxes around, wolves. Sure. You know, these are not quite, I mean, sure, are there people feeding them? Yes. Well, anyways, the other evening, we could hear him gobbling across the way.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  I told Mabel, I said, just go out there and every 30 minutes, just give a couple of strokes on the box call, he'd answer. And then after dinner, Mabel's like, ah, it's probably getting too late. Yeah. I'm like, yes, you're probably too late, but just keep listening and looking and we're cleaning up. And Aina looks out the window, he's right there, you know, I'm like, oh boy. So anyways, we go out there, it doesn't take much, make a few calls, peek around the corner of the garage, kill him. And, uh, She's very aware that it's like a different hunt than what we were just experiencing in on our turkey camp trip. But it's not what I want to talk about. What I want to talk about is that she's very skittish around gutting and the processing.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  My oldest one, I'll put her up against anybody in this office. She might not be as fast as you, but if you could give her a whole deer and she could process it at this point at the age of 13, she's, she's good at it. She enjoys it. Maybe on the other hand, like sticking her hands up in that turkey's cavity and pulling those guts out, fighting it, fighting it. So my question is, Corey, you haven't gotten there. You're going to have to deal with this at some point. But like for kids that like to kill stuff, do you force them? If they're not into dealing with guts and processing, do you force them to do it anyways? Cause that's part of the deal?

• 37:59Speaker 05

  I mean, I, I can't, it hasn't been a problem with my boys. If anything, they're like curious about it. They're like interested in it. You know, with fish, they want to see what's in the stomach. Turkeys, they want to see what's in the crop.

• 38:16Speaker 05

  I mean, forcing a kid to do something is maybe not ideal.

• 38:23Speaker 05

  But you should at least, I think you gotta get him involved in some of the steps, right?

• 38:30Speaker 05

  But yeah, I mean, I'd lean towards like, you killed it. You're cleaning it.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Well, cause it used to be just like a, you kill it, you eat it, right? That's like the original version of this. And then I think sort of as, as, cause I know Steve would just bring meat home to his mom and his mom would kind of prepare it and then they would eat it, right? I think that's kind of morphed as we've become parents to, we're like, we're like, oh no, there's this other thing too. Like you need to be involved in the whole process.

• 39:00Speaker 05

  Right.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  Cause we want them to be, but what I'm scared of is if I force it too much, then she, she's going to be like, screw it. I don't need to kill a turkey. I'll go play volleyball.

• 39:10Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, maybe try doing it in steps, man. Like will she cut the breast off the, the carcass or?

• 39:19Speaker 04

  She's a, yeah, man, she's not hu- huge in- into any of that stuff. You, once it's in the bag and I ask her to run the sealer, yeah, she'll do that.

• 39:29Speaker 05

  I mean, I guess if I was in that situation, I'd rather,

• 39:34Speaker 05

  like, and, and worried about that you're gonna turn her off of hunting altogether. I'd rather have her go hunting with me and not do it.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  Oh, 100%.

• 39:43Speaker 05

  Then force her to do it and then she doesn't want to go hunting. You know what I mean?

• 39:48Speaker 06

  Totally. Yeah, my kid was with me on a turkey hunt last year and it was pretty funny because I'm like, alright, now I gotta gut this thing. And he's like, oh gross, and started walking towards the truck. And then he like stopped and wanted to watch and got very curious about halfway through and the next thing you know, he's like looking up into the turkey and wanting to get his hands dirty and so that worked out well for me.

• 40:07Speaker 05

  I never went through that gross thing, man. It's just like.

• 40:10Speaker 06

  A lot of curiosity.

• 40:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got one and one. I hung out with the turkey's guts for 30 minutes. And I was sort of heading towards the sauna. And she was running around the side of the house with like different pieces. What's this? And then she'd come back, what's this? Come back. She took like 50 pictures. Yeah, she doesn't mind get- getting in there.

• 40:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, you mentioned fish. That's a great starting point, I feel like. Something about fish and the lack of eyebrows that maybe, or eyelashes, that maybe would get a fish going.

• 40:39Speaker 05

  And bird guts smell really bad.

• 40:41Speaker 06

  Oh, they do. Boy, do they ever.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Do they ever. Uh, okay, we're gonna do a, we're gonna request that you guys, the listeners, we're gonna do a listener hot tip off showdown. Um, so we want you guys to send in a hot tip. Uh, we're gonna play it next week. Uh, if I was here, I'd host it on, on this show on my birthday, but I'm gonna be in Man- Manitoba, hopefully looking over some bunch of bears eating donuts and maple syrup.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  Uh, but, uh, Brody wants hot tips for taking kids hunting, fishing, camping, that sort of stuff because we're celebrating the paperback release of Catch Crayfish, Count Stars.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  What do you want to add to that, Brody?

• 41:31Speaker 05

  Well, we'll, we'll take all, everyone's gonna send us all those parents out. It doesn't have to be from parents, but I imagine the bulk of it will be from parents.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Well, I think if your kid has a hot tip.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  Oh, it gets to.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Coming straight from the source, have them do it.

• 41:47Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, but anyway, we'll, we'll, we'll look through everything we got. We're gonna take the three, what we think are three of the best ones. Then in next week's show, the hosts are gonna vote on the winner. Now, the three finalists that are gonna compete will all get a copy of the book, the paperback copy. Um, and then the winner will get this bad boy knife here. You want to pull it out and show them?

• 42:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. Super sharp.

• 42:19Speaker 06

  MKC.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  Maybe like, if you give that knife to your kid, have him be awful careful with it.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, guaranteed you're gonna need some Band-Aids. So if you're the lucky winner, you're gonna give that, let your kid mess with it. Get yourself some Band-Aids ahead of time.

• 42:34Speaker 06

  This is the Montana Knife Company Flat Tail.

• 42:37Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 42:38Speaker 06

  Little collab we did with MKC.

• 42:40Speaker 04

  Great do it all hunting knife.

• 42:41Speaker 05

  So like 60 to 90 is a long hot tip video.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  Keep it succinct, folks.

• 42:49Speaker 05

  Like 60 seconds is ideal. Um, and then just send that, send your videos to radio at the meat eater.com. That's, that's the right email address, Corey.

• 42:58Speaker 06

  Yes, sir.

• 42:58Speaker 05

  And we'll vote on them next week.

• 43:01Speaker 06

  Send it.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  That'll be fun. Radio at the meat eater.com. All right, now on to our first guest.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  Bart George, joining us today. He's the Wildlife Program Director for the Kalispell Tribe. Bart, thanks for joining us. If Meat Eater has a mountain lion expert, Bart is it. We filmed Idaho mountain lion in season seven of Meat Eater with Bart. Bart's been on several Meat Eater podcast episodes. There's a great one where he tells a story of almost losing one of his hounds and having a, himself having a very close encounter with a mountain lion. You should go, I can't, I couldn't find the episode number. Sorry, but search around Meat Eater Podcast, you can find it. Maybe Corey will find it now. And he was also on a On the Hunt episode with yours truly,

• 43:56Speaker 04

  where I followed along as Bart performed the research that we're going to talk about today. Bart, how are you?

• 44:05Speaker 07

  I'm well, yeah. Thanks for having me.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're welcome. All right. Explain, like, where this study came from, how it was built, how it was executed, but save the results here for a minute.

• 44:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, of course. So, like I mentioned, I work for the Kalispell Tribe. I'm also a hound handler in Northeast Washington. I keep dogs and have for, I don't know, 15 or so years here. The state of Washington, you know, hound hunting is illegal here. So there's not a lot of people with dogs. So when they're, you know, when cougars get in trouble, typically it's with pets or small livestock in our area. The state has a pool of folks that they'll call to come out and deal with that situation. Typically it's tree that cat and if it kills something, the state kills it.

• 45:00Speaker 07

  So Bruce, who's also on that episode, both the episodes, is kind of my hunting partner, mentor, whatever. He and I have been doing this for quite a while, you know, 15 years. We're getting these calls from the state every, you know, once a month or something like that. Until about 2018 and 19, it really picked up. And I don't know what the change was. We didn't, we have no way of really knowing that, but we started seeing a real increase in depredations. And, you know, when there's a depredation, we go out, catch that cat, kill it, and it becomes property of the state and typically it's discarded.

• 45:40Speaker 07

  So, you know, as a, as a hunter, as a tribal representative, whatever, it's kind of goes against what we all stand for to see it such a cool charismatic, you know, species and carcass just get pitched in the dumpster. So Bruce and I kind of started brainstorming, kind of come up with a way to,

• 46:05Speaker 07

  to have some sort of proactive response for the state. So when, you know, real common narrative when we were at these depredations, you know, we'd be talking to the farmer or the operator and say, yeah, you know, this cat was hanging around a week ago on my neighbor's place. And then I got a, you know, trail camera picture of it, or I got a ring doorbell picture of it or whatever a couple of days ago. And it hadn't caused any trouble, but now here, you know, killed llamas or pets or whatever. Um, so we kept here, you know, we heard that a lot. And we got to thinking like, well, what if we had been out here a week ago when it first showed up and, and chased that cat off? Um, would it have

• 46:46Speaker 07

  still hung around and killed something? Or would it have, you know, left the area or would it, uh, we don't, we didn't know. So we just kind of started brainstorming, working with, um, the WDFW enforcement crew that we're, you know, we're working with all the time.

• 47:03Speaker 07

  And we came up with this idea to, or hazing the cat. But we didn't really know what that looked like yet. And we didn't have

• 47:10Speaker 07

  the technology to do it. Um, and then I'll get into that a little bit in the, in the episode. You kind of get to see what we're doing with the collars and different things. So I was buying some collars, um, from Buddy up there at, um, W pound supply. He's really, he's a tech guy, you know, he's like an engineering background. He's into that kind of stuff more than I am for sure. And he came up with this idea to develop the sleep mode on our Garmin collar. So then I could put a collar on a cat.

• 47:46Speaker 07

  That picture you got up is actually the largest cougar ever collared that we know of. He's 197 pound male cat we caught right here.

• 47:54Speaker 04

  No kidding?

• 47:55Speaker 07

  He's a whopper, man. He's big. That was for the state of Washington. We collared that cat for them on their predator prey project.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  Wow. That's what a, that's what a almost 200 pounder looks like.

• 48:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, you could see the folds in his arm, how much fat he's got just up around his neck. Wow.

• 48:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, if he'd have taken a couple more bites, he'd have tipped the 200 pound mark.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:18Speaker 07

  Anyway, so working with Buddy and he came up with this idea for a sleep mode on a Garmin collar. So the survey collar, you know, is a typical wildlife collar. It's big, kind of clunky thing. Got a long battery life though. Four years of battery life if it's programmed properly. But, but the Garmin collars, you know, you only get a couple of days out of those with the dogs. Um, so we needed a way to get real time data from a cat. But have it long, last long enough that we could, you know, revisit this thing, you know, for five or six weeks. Uh, so the sleep mode that, that Garmin developed with Buddy's help, kind of made that possible.

• 48:58Speaker 07

  So we were able then to couple like a regular dog tracking collar onto our regular survey collar. And, uh,

• 49:08Speaker 07

  and then revisit that cat, you know, periodically and see how it's responding to our hazing. Um, so that's the, that was kind of the nexus of the thing. Then we needed to come up with a stimuli. And we kicked that idea around and, you know, in a perfect world, we'd have had a whole bunch of time and a bunch of folks helping and a big budget and everything. And we would have tested a whole bunch of different stimuli, but we settled on human voice just because for, you know, public safety, hiking, for people yelling at a cat to, you know, move it along or whatever else. We just thought human voice made the most sense. Um, but I would have liked to test it, you know, dogs barking or an engine or a car horn honking or whatever.

• 49:51Speaker 07

  Um, as the stimuli. So the stimuli that we settled on was meat eater podcasts.

• 50:00Speaker 07

  It works nicely and you guys have big loud voices and everything else and yet there's not a lot of dead time in it. Other podcasts with like long gaps and people like ruminating silently.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 50:12Speaker 07

  That doesn't work. We wanted, we wanted constant talking.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  So you're saying this is a crew of talkers we have here, huh?

• 50:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, man. When Steve gets going, he doesn't stop. He doesn't come up for air. It's like, keeps it going. Constant talk and that's what we wanted. We didn't want to have gaps or music or anything else.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. So and you were, so you were, yeah, you were measuring basically what you were walking towards collared lines. You knew the location and then you were measuring and you had a loudspeaker playing the meteor podcast. It was 80 decibels, right?

• 50:44Speaker 07

  Yep, 80 decibels. And that's a, you know, that's a kind of an outside voice, right? In a, if you're at a cocktail party, 80 decibels probably wouldn't be obnoxious. When you're out in the woods, like and it's quiet, it's loud enough that it's carrying a couple hundred yards.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:58Speaker 07

  Um, so we expected those cats to be hearing us approach with this human voice stimuli. And we're able, like I said, we know exactly where they're at. We're looking at our handheld. We know where we're at, where the cat at. We approach, uh, with this human voice and we're watching as soon as that cat gets up to his feet and kind of flees. Uh, we stop, gather up our data and we see how it responds to us. Like, how does it? You know, how, how scared of us is, is it? So we're able to measure then how far that cat moved away. And when it stops, we'd hop up, you know, we'd radio back. They turned the dogs loose. The dogs would come to us, find the cat track,

• 51:38Speaker 07

  and they'd run that cat, tree it. Um, the first time we'd tree it, we'd mark it with paintballs, permanent paint. And that was kind of the only hands-on, you know, that was the only real, whatever, hazing that we did, other than the dogs barking. Um, we wanted to test if it could associate then like this human voice approaching it and then this negative interaction. Um, so we did that with cats and we would do that four times with, with each cat. And that was kind of our data set. So each cat had its own unique sort of data set with four points on it. We also did a control portion. So then we would take cats and, uh, approach them.

• 52:23Speaker 07

  It's exactly the same way with the speaker playing and when they mobilize, they leave and then we turn around and just walk out.

• 52:31Steven Rinella?

  No hazing?

• 52:33Speaker 07

  No hazing. We just wanted to see how that cat would respond.

• 52:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. And how many, how many total cats did you end up collaring and doing this to?

• 52:41Speaker 07

  Uh, well, we collared more. We ended up with trying to, you know, we had some trouble at first getting technology figured out. I think totally total cats collared and handled was around 50, but uh, we got complete data on 41 cats.

• 52:59Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 52:59Speaker 07

  So that's a pretty good, pretty good sample size. Um, it's a little bit heavy on males, but not bad. So we were able to get, you know, they were all adults. We didn't collar sub adult animals. And we tried not to, we tried not to capture females that had accompanying young, just because it muddies the data when we show up and there's three cats there. We don't know which one runs first. Does it, does, you know, one of those sub adults get spooked and run off and the mom follows her? Like, we just didn't know.

• 53:28Steven Rinella?

  Sure, sure.

• 53:29Speaker 07

  So independent aged, um, independent cats are what we were after.

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• 56:12Speaker 04

  All right, so these cats all heard Steven Rinella's voice a whole bunch. How did they, how did they react to that?

• 56:23Speaker 07

  Positively, I guess, or negatively, I don't know the kind of way you look at it. They were, they learned to, to avoid us. It really indicated that the pursuit with the dogs can alter their response to the sort of what should have been a benign stimulus with the human voice. So it's called a, it's called a flight initiation distance project. And they do them with birds a lot because birds are easy, right? A bird's sitting on a telephone pole, power pole, you can walk out and measure how close it lets you get and all that stuff.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 56:54Speaker 07

  Birds are a lot harder than that. They're secretive. So this is the kind of the first flight initiation distance project with cats. And our, our data. You know, for our project cats, I'm looking at it right now, the, our, our mean flight initiation distance increased from seventy-five at our first interaction, seventy-five meters to a hundred and twenty-eight meters by the fourth interaction. So almost doubled, which is pretty good. Um, and you start thinking about just limitations to this. They can only hear you from so far away.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 57:28Speaker 07

  Hundred and twenty-eight meters is a pretty good distance. And then the, the distance moved, um, was really interesting. It almost doubled. Went from two hundred and seventy-eight meters to five hundred and eighty-two meters.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 57:42Speaker 07

  They really, they really wanted to get away from us. By the end of this thing, they recognized that, you know, this person approaching me is bad news. It means something bad is about to happen.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. When you, when you hear Steven Rinella coming through the woods, there's gonna be a pack of hounds not long after.

• 58:00Speaker 07

  Right. If you're a wildlife and you hear Rinella walking towards you, you better skedaddle.

• 58:05Speaker 07

  So the, the control portion was interesting and that was a little bit later in the game. We really struggled with how to develop this control idea. So it didn't start until about midway through the project. We wanted to first see if we were getting good data on our project cats. And, um, the control cats showed an interesting thing. Our flight initiation distance decreased. You know, it started at sixty-eight. We only had a, a end value of about, I think, twelve for our control cats, but started at sixty-eight, which is very close to what we saw with our project cats at seventy-five. Um, and it actually decreased down to thirty-five meters. So by the end of that project, those cats recognized pretty

• 58:49Speaker 07

  quickly that this human voice doesn't, isn't that scary? It doesn't mean very much to them.

• 58:54Speaker 04

  Oh, interesting. So was, and was it, did it show clearly that basically with every, um, touch point, it was getting closer by just a little bit? Or, or was it kind of? All over the place. Would you jump sometimes from sixty-eight to fourteen? Or is it like always sixty-eight, then fifty, then forty, and then twenty?

• 59:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, there were certainly some cats that weren't that linear, but there were some that really tracked like you're describing really closely to that. Um, that was a little heavy on toms. We ended up with a lot of toms late in the project. Um, so we don't know if the females would have responded accordingly, but yeah, by there's some of those cats, you know, thirty-five meters is just the mean, but three or four of those cats by the last approach. We were walking up and looking at, you know, we'd stop at ten meters. That was the kind of what we call, you know, close enough. We'd stop at ten meters and we'd be laying there in the brush, looking at each other.

• 59:55Speaker 07

  Um, so those cats weren't afraid of us at all. That human voice they had recognized is not something to be concerned with. Uh, which is really interesting, you know, it's like when you think about these cats in parks and along hiking trails and stuff like that, you know, there's maybe a hundred people a day walking by, talking to each other and stuff, and they've just learned like, yeah, just be still and let them pass.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  Sure. Yeah, it's a wonder we don't, uh, have more a- attacks and you know, who knows who can explain that, but. All right. So you can see there's like two. I don't know. There's a lot of ways to look at this, but it's like, one, it's it's good information for the cats, right? And for saving cats because

• 1:00:42Speaker 04

  as opposed to you guys just coming out, killing these cats, and then they go into the dumpster. Like if you can show that these cats by a little bit of hazing, then learn to stay away from humans, that saves cat lives, right? So.

• 1:00:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, well, that's the idea, right? We want those things out on the landscape for, I believe for hunters or whatever else for.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, just to, I don't know, be a part of, uh, the, the, you know, lands- landscape that is wildlife out there. So, uh, like, how has the research been received? Um, are, are people reading it, looking at it? And then is it changing any minds or is it affecting management at all? Management thoughts, decisions in Washington?

• 1:01:27Speaker 07

  Uh, you know, I don't know if it's made any major, you know, led to any changes just yet. I think it's being well received for the most part. There's of course, people trying to make it into something that it's not on, you know.

• 1:01:43Speaker 07

  It's not a silver bullet. It's not, um, it's not going to correct all cougar public safety issues or depredations or whatever else. But I think it's another tool for managers to consider when, you know, you have a landscape with lots of people on it and lots of cougars around and you want to kind of lead to that sort of safe coexistence. It just gives managers another tool and I think it's being received by managers fairly well in that way.

• 1:02:13Speaker 07

  You know, there's a, there's a lot of movement right now with cougar management across the West. There's a, you know, people aren't going anywhere. Cougar populations seem to be stable or increasing in a lot of places. So yeah, I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful it gets picked up and people kind of consider that before, you know, killing a cat potentially needlessly. And also when they're thinking about, you know, policy and, and opportunities for hound handlers to get out and sort of recreationally pursue these cats. There's maybe an opportunity to get ahead of some of these things altogether. Just through recreational hound pursuits.

• 1:02:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know, it's such a weird idea. Like before I got into hound hunting, I would have never thought that there would be people out there that'd be like, oh yeah, I just want to go and chase these cats. I don't even need to kill them. Like just like going out and, you know, participating in trying to catch one, catching them, taking pictures and then leaving them. That will be plenty to keep me excited. Um, now that I've done it, like I totally get it. Like you don't have to have a kill season.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  To have hound people be super into it.

• 1:03:28Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's a cool thing. And a lot of, you know, hound handlers have been really strong advocates for wildlife protections across the West. Just recently in Wyoming, there's the hound groups that that kind of squashed a bill that would have, or you know, an idea would have really probably damaged wild cougar populations in that state. And that, you know, pound handlers have came, came to the plate several times to sort of protect cats because they want something to do on the weekends. They want to be pursuing.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:03Speaker 07

  Uggers, taking their picture, working their dogs. I mean, that's kind of the important thing. Now that you have Mingus, you sort of recognize how much, you know, that having a dog in the hunt saying really means.

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, that's another thing, too. If you're out there and your dog's not there because he's out on injured reserve or whatever, you might as well just stay home because it ain't no fun.

• 1:04:25Speaker 07

  You've got your own dogs in the races. It's not as much fun.

• 1:04:28Speaker 04

  Well, Bart, thanks for doing the work and thanks for coming and telling us about it. Um, i- i- is if anybody wants to learn more about this project or actually look at your re- the results of the research, where can they go to find that?

• 1:04:43Speaker 07

  Uh, I emailed you guys over a copy of the final publication. You can share that if you'd like.

• 1:04:49Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:04:50Speaker 07

  You know, that episode that the episode that we did really describes the process of the hazing pretty well. They can check, check that out also.

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  Okay, cool. Thank you. Have a good day, Bart. We'll, uh, we'll be in touch soon.

• 1:05:07Speaker 07

  All right. Thanks, guys.

• 1:05:08Speaker 04

  Thanks, Bart. All right. I'm watching the clock finally after an hour. I see that we burned up 60 minutes. We haven't even gotten to the first listener feedback. Yeah, we haven't even gotten a listener feedback. So we're gonna do that. I'm gonna also, while Phil is doing that, I'm gonna also ask you guys to sort of just, you know, in the chat, kind of vote if you guys would rather hear gear talk or show and tell. Well, here's, here's the thing. I was gonna, I was gonna call an audible. I'm gonna suggest something because this is, uh, if the audience hasn't noticed, this is a, this show's a little different this week. We had to make a last minute change. So we're kind of just mixing things up and the feel of the show is a little, uh, it's, it's, it's a little unfamiliar. So I'm thinking we just do one listener feedback. It feels very familiar to me. Sure.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  I think we just do one listener feedback at the very end. It'll be the last thing we do. I think we can cruise through gear talk and show and tell just back to back. I like it.

• 1:06:02Speaker 06

  I think Phil wants to share his, to sound drops and I really want to hear.

• 1:06:05Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. That's true. I forgot that he had a special new sound. I just, I just hate cutting things. It makes, because we had to cut something last week. It made, it made me feel bad. All right. Well, Josh Miller, if you're watching or listening, uh, you know, get your program together so that you can join us on a future episode because, uh, it's going to be entertaining for everybody, uh, when we, uh, when we get to see how you run this program. Cause I got a lot of questions for Josh and this program. All right. So I like that. So we're going to save listener feedback for, uh, the end. That's what you want to do, Phil?

• 1:06:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. So get some more questions in. Okay. Bring some more questions. So now we're on to gear talk. Let's talk about gear, baby. Let's talk about scopes and beats. Let's talk about boots and binos, camo patterns with young meat. Let's talk about gear. Let's talk about gear. Let's talk about.

• 1:07:02Speaker 06

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:07:03Speaker 04

  There we go. I told, I told the, the crew I was going to do a different song. I was gonna, I was gonna do jive talking, the Bee Gees. But there were just, there were too many harmonies and I was feeling lazy this morning. So we're not, I, I stuck with that one.

• 1:07:14Speaker 06

  Man, if that was lazy, that's.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  You nailed it, Phil. We should just come up with a new segment every week so that Phil has to do a new.

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  Phil has to come in here at six in the morning before everyone's here and like hide in here and do his.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you can hear it in his voice when he's doing it. He, that's what he loves about his job. That's what he loves about it. All right. Gear talk.

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  Who wants to go first?

• 1:07:38Speaker 05

  Well, you just go in the order.

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  Go in the order that it's written? All right. All right.

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  I recently.

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  I've had this cooler for a while. But I got to use it again at Turkey Camp. We had the right kind of weather. Last year Turkey Camp was so cold, I didn't even bring these suckers out. Now, listen, this is mega expensive gear. I didn't pay for mine. But it's cool. Okay?

• 1:08:04Speaker 05

  No pun intended.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  I, I, yeah, no pun. You can make it cold. You can make ice if you want.

• 1:08:09Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  Yes, it is a solar powered cooler made by Dometic. Okay? Roughly, you're gonna be into it. The cooler's gonna go, depending on the size, plus or minus a couple hundred bucks, a thousand. Then you also need a, uh, solar panel. And you also need a battery that stores. There you go. There's a picture of, of my setup. So the juice goes, is captured by the solar panel. It goes into the battery, is stored there, and then into the cooler. You can't go direct solar panel to the cooler.

• 1:08:48Speaker 05

  How many quarts is that cooler?

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  Uh, that one is, they call it the 55. The nice thing about these coolers is that, and I would call them, it's more of a refrigerator that is in the shape of a cooler than it being an actual cooler. Um, it's definitely not as insulated as a Yeti. Like if you just use it as a cooler and didn't have power to it, it's not gonna work as well as a Yeti would. Um, but if you've got it set up like this, and that battery, I haven't tried it just alone, but you could probably not have sun or, or ditch a solar panel. You could, I'm guessing you could run that cooler at 38 degrees for three to four days off that battery, which, you know, gets you through a lot of camping trips.

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  Memorial Weekend.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  But man, the, the real benefit, and I don't know, is it worth, uh, sixteen hundred bucks for the whole kit and caboodle? I don't know. You're gonna have to buy a lot, you're gonna have to not buy a lot of bags of ice for it to pay for itself.

• 1:09:50Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, buck fifty a bag.

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, but like not having the wetness in the bottom of the cooler, not having to deal with the ice. Just constantly knowing that like, oh, no, this thing, it, it at all times is thirty-three degrees or whatever you set it up to. Um, it's pretty sweet. It like, it just takes out that element of dealing with the ice, wondering if your stuff's getting too warm. Um, and especially like we, we had some birds that needed cooling down, right? I used to always bring a separate cooler with separate ice, keep it locked down so that when I get turkey meat, I can jam it in there, it'll get cold and I can get it home. Well, this time we basically just processed the birds, put them into Ziploc's and gave them their own little,

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  you know, quadrant of that refrigerator and they're just in there doing their thing. No, don't have to worry about any kind of meat spoilage.

• 1:10:47Speaker 06

  All the comforts of home.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, listen, when your buddies showed up in camp, which we had do, they, uh, they were giving me some shit. They're like, dude, like, did you have to like have a note, another trailer with you to carry all this with you?

• 1:11:00Speaker 06

  Say, it looks like it takes up the whole back end of your taco.

• 1:11:04Speaker 04

  It doesn't actually. I mean, if you think about it, I, I brought two and I was actually just swapping. I would just unplug one and plug the other one in and then they would, they, they would work that way. But, uh, that solar panel, it's skinny, so you just kind of slide it in anywhere you want. The battery is, I don't know, size of maybe three Nalgene bottles. Um, so it definitely doesn't take up any more room. Um, but the big benefit is that, uh, Yeah, no ice, no ice mess. Um, it's got a setting in there. I haven't done it yet. Um, I haven't been drinking as I'm getting ready for the big race. So I didn't have to bring any ice for cocktails, but it's got a deal where you can go to the lowest setting.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  And then you basically have like a little mini compartment that sits right on the compressor. And you can actually make ice in the field.

• 1:11:54Speaker 06

  That's a game changer.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  If you like to have your whiskey on the rocks.

• 1:11:59Speaker 06

  Well, yeah.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  Brody, what do you got?

• 1:12:02Speaker 05

  I got these, uh, bad little mama jamas here. This is the Sig, uh, Zulu. What are they?

• 1:12:10Speaker 06

  Yeah. Zulu six.

• 1:12:11Speaker 05

  Zulu six.

• 1:12:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 05

  So these are the image stabilizing binos that Sig Sauer makes. And I'm generally pretty slow to adopt like new technology. But if you've never looked through these things, like it's impossible to explain to someone who hasn't looked through one of these. And just used the regular binos, the difference that it makes like freehand in binos.

• 1:12:37Speaker 05

  Especially on like Western spot and stock hunts. It just sucks. Like you have to have a tripod. You still do, but with these, like you can kick back and throw them up on your knees and actually do a little work with them without a tripod. And it gives your neck and your shoulders a break. You're not hunched over that, that tripod all day long. Um, and you can certainly set them up for a tripod. The reason I like these is not for tripod glass in or big spot in stock hunts. I like them because they're small. They're 10 by 30s.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  And they're light.

• 1:13:12Speaker 05

  They're light. Um, so like turkey season, great. Um, if I was a tree stand whitetail hunter, they'd be ideal for that.

• 1:13:24Speaker 05

  Um, and we've been talking about kids a lot today, like they're awesome for kids, cause especially younger kids just have trouble holding binos steady enough to look at, and you're like, the deer's over there and they're just like all over the place with those things. They can actually see stuff.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Speaker 05

  Um, so my, my boys will definitely be carrying, carrying those this fall deer hunting and stuff.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're small enough that I was carrying them in the pocket.

• 1:13:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  Of my first light turkey vest.

• 1:13:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. Definitely like a 10 by 30. It's not, it's not a wide field of view, right? Like it's for long range class and it's not going to be ideal, but they make, what are they 12 by 50s?

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can't, well, yeah, those are in the, the newer version.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  That they make, they have a bigger, uh, objective with the bigger field of view. Um, but, uh, I actually prefer these older versions, uh, or the first, not older, but the first iteration.

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  Just because it is a smaller package. Um, and it just, it, they're su- yeah, super tidy. I love it.

• 1:14:28Speaker 05

  And I, I would probably, I'll, I'll carry, I may even carry these and my regular glass and binos this fall, like deer and elk hunting.

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like you said, for handholding, when you're just gonna like quickly need to scan a hillside or you see something moving and you need to get on it quick. Those things are amazing.

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Speaker 06

  I guess we're on the battery train or everything that needs charging or takes batteries, but, uh, yeah, I am in love with this new, well, it's not new, but new to me, the uncharted supply company's the Zeus air, which is a air inflator, uh,

• 1:15:03Speaker 05

  How come I don't have one of those, Corey?

• 1:15:06Speaker 06

  Beats me.

• 1:15:07Speaker 05

  I thought your whole job was to keep me decked out with all the bitch and stuff.

• 1:15:11Speaker 06

  No, I'm also a podcast producer.

• 1:15:13Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:15:13Speaker 06

  Uh, but this thing will pump up any tires, bike tires to truck tires. It also will jump start a vehicle up to a six liter diesel engine.

• 1:15:22Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 1:15:23Speaker 06

  Which I haven't had to use that yet.

• 1:15:24Speaker 05

  That's a big.

• 1:15:25Speaker 06

  Battery is probably seven years old. So one of these days it's just not going to start for me. I do have a little like pin leak in my truck tire, passenger side tire. So I've had to use this every couple of days. Definitely going to take it with me camping. It's just a good thing to have in the truck all the time. Also will charge USB, uh, both types of USB cords, has a little handy dandy flashlight on it that'll blind you if you're not.

• 1:15:48Speaker 05

  How much does that thing cost?

• 1:15:49Speaker 06

  200.

• 1:15:51Speaker 06

  And fifty bucks.

• 1:15:52Speaker 05

  That's reasonable.

• 1:15:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, there's some other ones out there like DeWalt makes one, but it's like three times the size. It's pretty amazing how much power is packed into this little kit right here.

• 1:16:03Speaker 05

  What kind of jacks does it got like USB and like?

• 1:16:06Speaker 06

  USB and USB C. Yep.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  So it comes with its own little cables though to if you had to have you had to hit your battery.

• 1:16:13Speaker 06

  Yep, comes with the jumper cables and then the hose to inflate your tire and it works. It's kind of slow, but it works well. Like I've used it a few times and I don't know, you could probably get all four tires filled up on one like from flat to filled like in my.

• 1:16:29Speaker 05

  Before the battery ran out?

• 1:16:31Speaker 06

  Mm hmm. It's pretty impressive. I've been carrying this thing everywhere. So always good to have in the truck.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  Okay, Corey wins gear talk.

• 1:16:37Speaker 06

  Oh, didn't realize it was a competition.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  All right, onto our next segment, show and tell.

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  Oh, good choice, Phil.

• 1:16:52Speaker 04

  This is my shriekiest ones a little out of my range.

• 1:17:03Speaker 06

  No rocks today, baby.

• 1:17:04Speaker 04

  No Spencer, sorry. Of course he brought a rock. I love this. I love this bit of Yanni just complaining about Spencer all the time. It's my favorite. Well, I didn't know that Spencer's the whole reason. We just don't get to come on here and tell hunting stories, especially when all the viewers are like, tell us more hunting stories.

• 1:17:21Speaker 06

  And this is kind of.

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  Spencer's like, no.

• 1:17:23Speaker 06

  This show is kind of his. This show is kind of his baby.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 1:17:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  You're the producer.

• 1:17:28Speaker 05

  Does a great job.

• 1:17:30Speaker 06

  But it's it all started and you know, kind of morphs off of Spencer's ideas. So hats off to Spencer.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  Come on the show more often, Yanni. You can crash it and tell more hunting stories. Hey, Corey knows exactly when I'm available to host.

• 1:17:43Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  All right, for show and tell today, I brought in my Axis Buck Euro Mount. And this is from a buck that I killed with the Element Boys in, let's see, February of 24. So a little over the than over a year ago.

• 1:18:07Speaker 04

  I like the way it turned out. This is my first animal that I've ever sort of kept the velvet on. Uh, the outfitter and the Element boys were really impressed. They say this, this might have been the biggest one they were gonna kill. The whole season. Um, they think that it's like top 10 or 20 archery SCI axes.

• 1:18:27Speaker 05

  No shit.

• 1:18:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:18:28Speaker 05

  Which, I, I, well, I've just never been close enough to a set of those antlers to get a feel for, like, looking at it on video, you can't tell how big or small they are.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Speaker 05

  Um, and this isn't a, this isn't a insult to you in any way, but those antlers are smaller than I thought they would be.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, Axis deer is not a giant animal, right? Like, it's an animal that you can by yourself drag along.

• 1:18:53Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:18:53Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:18:54Speaker 06

  Sorry, I'll say in the video with the Element boys, when you killed this thing, he looks huge on the hoof. No offense to the, to the beautiful trophy here.

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  He's next to, uh, some does, he's next to smaller bucks.

• 1:19:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:19:07Speaker 06

  That really shows his size in that video, I feel like.

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  Totally. What's, I think the, the thing that I'd like to share about it though, I mean, it was a great hunt, had a great, great time with everybody there and, um, outlaw outfitters, if you're looking for a good Axis deer hunt, uh, team outlaw, I believe. But, uh, yeah, so you guys know what makes, um, law, uh, I guess trophies or whatever is long brow tines. And then I can't remember what they called these, something with a P, it's, uh, anyways. When these are as tall as the main beam, then he gets to be a, a, a big boy.

• 1:19:46Speaker 04

  But this is a reminder to me that for me to get excited about hunting and killing certain species, I need to have a, some amount of exposure to them, more than I have with an Axis deer. Now that I've done it three days, I'm kind of excited to go back. I'd like to go back during when they're really roaring in the rut, which is middle of summer in Texas.

• 1:20:12Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  So it's kind of an adventure because you're gonna be out there with the snakes, you know, in the heat.

• 1:20:16Speaker 06

  In the heat, ugh.

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  But like. Now I know a little bit about them and I'm kinda like it, I'm titillated by it and I wanna experience more of it, but like how excited these guys were to see this animal? For me, I was like, I don't know. It's like the fourth buck I've ever seen. It's just another, it's just another axis to me. Um, I don't know. Do you guys ever feel that unlike when you're like, when you come to new territory, new animal, but like you don't know the landscape, you don't know the animal. It's kinda hard to, you don't have a connection.

• 1:20:51Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Speaker 05

  Especially with, I've, it'd be especially true with a species like that, which isn't even native to North America.

• 1:21:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. You gotta go to India.

• 1:21:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, I just recently did an Audad hunt and never seen one before. So I was basing everything off of big horn sheep that I've seen thousands of and very different animal. Similar, but different.

• 1:21:14Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 1:21:14Speaker 06

  So that was, yeah, difficult to.

• 1:21:16Speaker 04

  Did you feel a connection with that Audad?

• 1:21:18Speaker 06

  Once I put my hand on them. No, once I put my hands on them, there was a full on connection, but before that, nothing.

• 1:21:25Speaker 04

  No.

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• 1:24:05Steven Rinella?

  All right, Brody, would you bring?

• 1:24:06Speaker 05

  Uh, Corey, you want to help me?

• 1:24:07Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:11Speaker 05

  It's a truck.

• 1:24:14Speaker 05

  A new car.

• 1:24:16Speaker 04

  I feel like I need a drum roll here.

• 1:24:18Steven Rinella?

  You do. These boys, for those of you just listening and not looking, it's taken two of them to lift up and, oh, look at that. And move.

• 1:24:27Speaker 04

  Move a little bit further in there.

• 1:24:30Steven Rinella?

  They're moving Brody's giant moose skull and antlers that he killed in, uh, was that last fall?

• 1:24:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:40Steven Rinella?

  Last fall.

• 1:24:40Speaker 05

  Finally got it back.

• 1:24:42Steven Rinella?

  Man, what a beauty. That's bigger than my dad's.

• 1:24:47Speaker 05

  Um, I guess I should sit down and talk about it, huh, Phil?

• 1:24:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, this might be a problem. Sorry, we don't have more, uh, hold, you can't sit underneath it?

• 1:24:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, try to sit down.

• 1:24:59Steven Rinella?

  You need, you need me to help you to get positioned?

• 1:25:01Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 1:25:02Speaker 06

  We're live.

• 1:25:03Speaker 05

  Alright, we can just rest it there maybe.

• 1:25:05Speaker 04

  Oh yeah.

• 1:25:06Speaker 05

  Um, so yeah, this is my first and only bull moose, Alaska Yukon moose. Um, brought in for a couple of reasons, just because moose antlers are super cool, but um, one of the reasons is the bulls and Yanis knows this from his dad killing one and not in the same spot, but same general zone of Alaska. The bulls in in that area tend to have these really big fronts. He's like, they're almost like a second palm, you know?

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:41Speaker 05

  And a lot, lot of bulls will just have like a couple of tines coming out. Um, so it just, just makes these particular bulls really, really neat. Um, the other reason I brought it in is this is the first, uh, big game animal whose skull I paid to have done. Um, normally I clean all my skulls by simmering them in water and then cleaning them up. Um, I paid to have this one beaded. And the main reason is, is if you look how this, these antlers come off of the skull, you can't get it down there in a pot.

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  Like there's a way to do it where you can make notches in a big pot and all that, but I didn't want to mess with it. So I paid to have it beaded and I think beaded skulls look better than, than can look better than the

• 1:26:32Speaker 04

  I did agree. Well, they're definitely stronger.

• 1:26:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:35Speaker 04

  They'll hold up longer.

• 1:26:36Speaker 06

  Less brittle.

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  Where's that? Where are you hanging that thing?

• 1:26:39Speaker 05

  Haven't decided yet.

• 1:26:41Speaker 04

  Oh, so it's not even on a wall yet?

• 1:26:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just put the, the, uh,

• 1:26:47Speaker 04

  The wire.

• 1:26:47Speaker 05

  The wire into it the other day. So yeah, I gotta, gotta pick a spot.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  How much you, do you, have you weighed it?

• 1:26:54Speaker 05

  I'm guessing sixty, fifty six, you think?

• 1:26:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Speaker 04

  I know with the really, when I went to that DNC or D and E, is that who shipped yours to?

• 1:27:05Speaker 05

  Trophy, trophy, Alaska Trophy Express.

• 1:27:10Speaker 04

  I went into one of those in, I think it was Fairbanks. And we were going to ship my dad's, which was a pretty average fifty three, fifty four inch bull or something, nice fronts. And there's a couple of the big boys in there. They were so big that I picked them up and could only hold them long enough for a snap of picture before I had to set them down.

• 1:27:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, there was two bulls when we got back in into the town. The hangar from the air service, um, we were using, you know, there's, there's twenty, thirty bull skulls in there. There was a sixty eight and a seventy two. The, the sixty eight was like my thigh, his basis. And I, I'm guessing weighed close to a hundred pounds. I mean, amazing. So yeah, like packing this thing out, um, my guess is around sixty, Corey says more.

• 1:28:01Speaker 06

  I don't know, it feels, yeah.

• 1:28:02Speaker 05

  Maybe seventy, I don't know.

• 1:28:04Speaker 06

  It's hard to say.

• 1:28:05Speaker 05

  But, um, yeah.

• 1:28:06Speaker 06

  I always relate to like a fifty pound bag of feed.

• 1:28:08Speaker 05

  Trophy of a lifetime for me. Let's put the sucker down.

• 1:28:11Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  Thanks for bringing that in.

• 1:28:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  That's, that's a lot of effort. Brody's really committed to this episode. Again, if you're just listening at home, we were just looking at Brody's, how wide was yours? Mid, mid fifty. Fifty five inch Alaska Yukon moose head. Beautiful.

• 1:28:34Speaker 05

  All right, Corey.

• 1:28:36Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:28:36Speaker 04

  Corey, what'd you bring?

• 1:28:37Speaker 06

  Let's see.

• 1:28:38Speaker 04

  Corey brought an antler too.

• 1:28:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's the horn episode. All right, this is.

• 1:28:42Speaker 04

  That thing is dark as can be. You found it that dark? Have you, have you added some shoe polish?

• 1:28:46Speaker 06

  I stained it.

• 1:28:46Speaker 05

  I told him it looks like a Roosevelt.

• 1:28:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:49Speaker 06

  Okay, now, now look at it in the camera, it looks a little better. But this is the coolest shed I've ever found. And if you're, uh, if you're listening and not watching, you should probably go watch. Uh, it's got teeny tiny fronts, but it's third crab claws and splits. And he's got.

• 1:29:08Speaker 04

  That ain't no crab claw, dude. You can't call that a crab claw.

• 1:29:11Speaker 06

  What is it? Lobster claw?

• 1:29:12Speaker 04

  No, but I mean, it's just like a, a giant, yeah, it's a, yeah. Crab claw means it's like little bitty crab claw.

• 1:29:19Speaker 06

  Well, it's huge though.

• 1:29:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Speaker 06

  And I don't know, that's like a twenty one inch inline coming out of, uh, off of his fourth, off his royal tongue.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  Dude, that thing, listen, Corey, his numbers, there's no way that's twenty one inches. That extra point there coming off his fourth?

• 1:29:35Speaker 06

  It might be seventeen. You, you count it from down here though. I'll have to look back.

• 1:29:41Speaker 04

  Give it, give it the old hand.

• 1:29:43Speaker 06

  It might be seventeen, I can't remember. The whole thing scored, the whole thing scored, this shed scored one seventy-eight.

• 1:29:50Speaker 04

  One seventy-eight.

• 1:29:50Speaker 06

  And that's not guessing, that's with Boone and Crockett.

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  So one eighty-three, sixty plus.

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  So four hundo with the spread?

• 1:29:59Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:30:00Speaker 05

  Dang.

• 1:30:01Speaker 06

  But the coolest part about this is how I found it. So this bull, Phil, I don't know if you want to play the video.

• 1:30:06Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, hold on a sec.

• 1:30:08Speaker 06

  I used to guide on a ranch in Montana here, uh, and this bull was found in September.

• 1:30:17Speaker 06

  This video was taken by the ranch owner slash outfitter. And this is the first time we had seen this bull, anybody had seen him, and this was in September of two thousand sixteen. And

• 1:30:29Speaker 04

  Is that the antler you're holding?

• 1:30:30Speaker 06

  No. So this is, so, yeah. It's probably a year or two years after this shed was dropped, when this video was taken.

• 1:30:38Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:30:39Speaker 06

  You can tell he regressed a little bit, uh, every tine's a little bit shorter. At least on this side. Look at that inline off his fourth is only seven inches.

• 1:30:50Speaker 05

  They ever get him?

• 1:30:51Speaker 06

  So he, we couldn't kill him in September, we didn't have that many hunters in archery season, but come rifle season, that was like the bull everybody wanted, just because he was such a freak. I called him T-Rex, because he just looked like a dinosaur.

• 1:31:03Speaker 04

  Hmm, good name choice.

• 1:31:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, and he eluded a lot of hunters for three weeks, and my hunter on the third week really wanted to fully commit to finding this one. And now the bull had moved a few miles from where this video was taken to another spot, like a little juniper hellhole. Kind of Missouri Break style country.

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  Like they do.

• 1:31:22Speaker 06

  And he would you, people would see him from far off, like not being able to put much of a stock on him, or they'd see him and try and put a stock on him, and he eluded a lot of hunters. A lot of really good guides that have killed a lot of elk. And, uh, and on the third week, my client and I were sitting up on a knob looking down into the spot where he was last seen. We caught a glimpse of a huge bull by himself at like eleven o'clock in the afternoon coming over a hill. We dropped everything and rallied down to try and kill him. And the second drainage that we went through, I stumbled across this shed, sitting there. And nobody had seen him prior to that year. So he was some, he was on the ranch, obviously, uh, at least in the spring. I'm assuming the year before, maybe two years before, but probably

• 1:32:05Speaker 06

  the year before. And then the next week, we didn't end up killing the bull. He, it ended up being another giant seven point that we passed up because he really wanted this one. He ended up killing a different bull on the last day, but on the, the next final week of the hunt, one of the last days of rifle season, this bull was killed in the same exact area, uh, by another hunter. So he did go down eventually, but yeah, it's the coolest shed I'll ever find. And I'm not a shed hunter. I just pick them up when I come across them. Shed hunting's gotten a little out of control these days. And if it's, if it's hip, I'm not doing it.

• 1:32:38Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, that's an amazing one.

• 1:32:43Speaker 06

  That's my story.

• 1:32:44Speaker 04

  That's a once in a lifetime shed.

• 1:32:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:32:47Speaker 04

  Phil, are we at the two hour mark yet? Not quite, but I think, I think, I think there is going to be an extra commercial break. So. We'll hit 90 minutes by the time we're done with questions. I saw one I for sure want to answer about one week in November. Oh, yes, please do. I'm always skeptical to choose ones based on programming that I don't know about and I don't want to, you know, cause any hubbub. So if you want to answer that one, have at it. Uh, yeah. Uh, I can't remember who, what the fellow's name was. I'll try to find it. Or gal for that matter, but, uh, they asked if there's going to be another one week in November show. And if you didn't watch it, you should go back and watch it. But that's where a bunch of us were hunting different locations, but on the same days.

• 1:33:27Speaker 04

  And then we sort of showed the communication that we had through text chats and, uh, just phone calls and sort of as the one week in November went on. I thought it was a cool idea. Problem with it is that like every kind of wants to be hunting somewhere sometime. We have other hunts that we might want to be doing. It was hard to get everybody to do another one, because I think we did two seasons so far. So, we just got an invite to go hunt somewhere pretty far south. Still in the United States, but southern, where the rut is later. And we could do this in January. So, we're trying to put together a one week in January where we all would be on this, in this, on the same location.

• 1:34:11Speaker 04

  Hunting the same whitetails.

• 1:34:13Speaker 06

  That's cool.

• 1:34:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it's in the works. Uh, hopefully, we will put it, uh, pull it off this upcoming January. You'll probably get to see it fall of 26. Thanks for the question, Garrett.

• 1:34:24Speaker 06

  I still think we need to do one week in September.

• 1:34:27Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:34:28Speaker 06

  Get four guys out in different, different states hunting elk. See what the rut's like.

• 1:34:32Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:34:32Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. Use in reach.

• 1:34:34Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, we totally forgot. We're gonna check, I forgot to put this in the intro. Let's check to see if Yanni drew his Wyoming elk tag. Oh, that's a great idea. I'll play a little music.

• 1:34:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, we got time.

• 1:34:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's fine. I'll play the Price is Right product music here. Ooh. Now, you seriously haven't looked yet. I haven't. Oh, boy.

• 1:34:55Speaker 06

  Oh, how long is it gonna take?

• 1:34:56Speaker 04

  Ah, son of a gun.

• 1:34:58Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:34:58Speaker 04

  It, uh, no, it signed me out.

• 1:35:01Speaker 06

  Oh, here we go. Yanni, how many points do you have?

• 1:35:06Speaker 04

  Think I had 14 going into this year.

• 1:35:09Speaker 06

  Must be hunting for a trophy unit, then.

• 1:35:11Speaker 04

  Oh, buddy. Oh, buddy. Verify the information is correct. Yes, continue. This is compelling podcasting. I love it. Um, this was Cor- this was Cory's. This was my idea. Um, I'm, it's, it sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I think this is fun. Well, yeah, to do it live on the show. I didn't draw.

• 1:35:32Speaker 06

  No way.

• 1:35:33Speaker 04

  Non-resident mountain goat and non-resident special elk unsuccessful for both.

• 1:35:37Speaker 06

  Man.

• 1:35:38Speaker 04

  Dang!

• 1:35:40Speaker 06

  Time's tough out here in the western states. It's crowded.

• 1:35:43Speaker 04

  Back to the hoping board, or whatever.

• 1:35:46Speaker 05

  We'll just be slumming it here in general season.

• 1:35:50Speaker 04

  What a downer to end this, uh, podcast on. Yeah. Well, we have some breaking, we have breaking news from the live chat. Oh, bring it. Randall Williams. Oh, not Hello Mogo, I mean, yes, Hello Mogo. But he said, did you hear guys hear about Randall's Turkey Hunt this morning? He got one.

• 1:36:06Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 1:36:07Speaker 03

  Man, we should have called him in.

• 1:36:09Speaker 05

  Who was his guide?

• 1:36:11Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know, possibly Max. I just know he didn't invite me, but that's fine. Pete Munich, probably.

• 1:36:16Speaker 03

  Wow, way to go, random.

• 1:36:19Speaker 04

  Breaking news.

• 1:36:22Speaker 04

  Uh, so bad, bad luck for Yanni, good luck for Randall. Congrats, Randall.

• 1:36:25Speaker 06

  He probably was hunting at Walmart or Town and Country.

• 1:36:28Speaker 04

  Matias is, is, uh, uh, upset that we didn't talk more ice fishing this winter. Do you guys have any ice fishing stories or anything fun happen?

• 1:36:36Speaker 05

  No, man, I like.

• 1:36:37Speaker 04

  It's because everybody's giving up on the ice here in, uh, south, in southwestern Montana.

• 1:36:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, we're certainly.

• 1:36:44Speaker 05

  Well, there was good ice this year. It's.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. Yeah, sorry. I phrased that wrong. They've given up on the fishing beneath the ice, whether it's good or not. You just have to go a long ways. Like there, there isn't great ice fishing. I mean, I mean, if you're happy just catching these little perch and bluegills out of the local ponds, sure.

• 1:37:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:37:01Speaker 04

  But, um, yeah, we just don't have it great. And so I think everybody's like, they don't know once to drive four hours.

• 1:37:08Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:37:09Speaker 04

  For ice fishing.

• 1:37:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, sorry. No good stories this year. I did go fly fishing this winter.

• 1:37:14Speaker 04

  At the top, before the show even started, Tucker said, how quick do we think the removal of federal lands from the big, beautiful bill will come up? Well, Tucker, it's been about 90 minutes. Um, so do you guys want to say anything about that?

• 1:37:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I figured by now, hopefully, most of the people out there know what happened, that

• 1:37:34Speaker 05

  the, the sell off of public lands was withdrawn from, was cut out of the bill. Um, and our, our, uh, home state Senator Ryan Zinke kind of led the charge to, uh, go rogue and, uh, go against his Republican counterparts, along with a small group of other Western congressmen. And so that stuff got cut out. It's not, the land's not going to get sold. So it's good news, but I'm assuming by now most people have. Great news.

• 1:38:05Speaker 04

  What was interesting to me is that I didn't catch the talk about the public land sell off anywhere besides my sort of like hunting Instagram channel.

• 1:38:16Speaker 05

  I saw it in a couple of like major news.

• 1:38:19Speaker 04

  Oh, you did?

• 1:38:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, so it was like it was there.

• 1:38:21Speaker 04

  Someone was covering it.

• 1:38:21Speaker 05

  And they mentioned this morning when they went through what was cut out of the bill. It was mentioned in there. It's great news. Unfortunately, I like, I think that a lot of people aren't aware that like, like, there's a couple of things that remained in that bill, which aren't cool, which is the boundary waters, like mining right next to it is could still happen. Um, and protections in Anwar are being lifted, Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. So while lands aren't getting sold, there's certainly public lands that are be are still in danger. So there's a reason to keep paying attention to what happens with this.

• 1:39:06Speaker 04

  That's right. So take a break for a day or two, then we got to get right back to the fight and give your reps another call. Tell them how you feel about mining next to, uh, the, um, wilderness area in Minnesota and how you feel about, uh, drilling in Anwar.

• 1:39:22Speaker 05

  Yep, yep.

• 1:39:24Speaker 04

  Uh, Devin says, hey, Yanis, seen the new video with you and Randall blowing stuff up with the new Sig 277 Fury cartridge. What was your favorite thing to blow up that day? And what did you like about the cartridge?

• 1:39:36Speaker 04

  Uh, the watermelon definitely looked the coolest. Um, you know, we did blow up some, some sort of fake ballistics gel animals that also had, uh, blood inside of the ballistics gel, which was surprising. We didn't know that was a part of it. Um, so that was fun, too. But, uh, I, I'd say if you're gonna go shoot something, uh, the watermelon is the thing to do. It's a little wasteful, um, so you might have to buy two so you can eat the other one. Uh, the cartridge, yeah, man, it's a, uh, short action. Uh, so it's gonna be a lightweight gun with Magnum Power. What don't you like about that? Um, yeah, I haven't gotten to hunt with it yet. Hopefully this fall I will.

• 1:40:21Speaker 04

  I'll let you know then.

• 1:40:23Speaker 05

  Cool. That's not what I wanted to do.

• 1:40:27Speaker 04

  Well, it's a big bull, Corey. There he is.

• 1:40:29Speaker 04

  Hey, he got the early morning turkey too. Looks like the sun's not even over the horizon.

• 1:40:36Speaker 05

  Probably sent a roost rocket up there to get him.

• 1:40:41Speaker 04

  I heard that one, Brody. That's good.

• 1:40:42Speaker 06

  That's great.

• 1:40:43Speaker 04

  Randall wouldn't kill a bird off the roost.

• 1:40:47Speaker 06

  Way to go, Randall.

• 1:40:48Speaker 04

  That's a beauty. Jackson says, have any of you used Thermacell for mosquitoes? I've never heard them mentioned on the show when the topic of mosquitoes is brought up. They work like magic for Jackson. Oh, yeah. Or if you guys have any other mosquito tips, maybe? No, man. Hard to beat Thermacell, along with DEET, everything else, but Thermacell are great.

• 1:41:12Speaker 06

  How heavy are they? I've never held one.

• 1:41:14Speaker 04

  Not heavy. Couple ounces.

• 1:41:15Speaker 06

  Worth carrying around on a 10-mile bear hunt?

• 1:41:20Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah. If the mosquitoes were really, really bad, sure. Cause they're light. They're kind of bulky, but they're light.

• 1:41:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:29Speaker 06

  Cool. Need to try one.

• 1:41:32Speaker 04

  I don't know. Have any of you, has anyone in this room hunted a mountain goat?

• 1:41:37Speaker 06

  I've helped a couple of different buddies harvest some mountain goats, so yeah.

• 1:41:40Speaker 04

  ESPN says that they drew a once-in-a-lifetime mountain goat Idaho tag. Any tips?

• 1:41:45Speaker 06

  Ooh, get them before the snow gets too deep.

• 1:41:48Speaker 04

  That's a good tip. Go learn the unit, man. Learn the country. Yeah.

• 1:41:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, make sure you know.

• 1:41:55Speaker 04

  Train if you're not in mountain shape, train.

• 1:41:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, get in goat shape. Make sure you know the difference between a nanny and a billy.

• 1:42:03Speaker 06

  That's tough.

• 1:42:03Speaker 04

  Depending. Yeah, he might. Most goat tags, though, aren't.

• 1:42:08Speaker 05

  Either sex or other sex.

• 1:42:10Speaker 06

  Most of them are, but yeah, might as well aim for a billy.

• 1:42:13Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 1:42:16Speaker 04

  Uh, let's see. Does anyone have any good crayfish or crawdad recipes from our guy Leland? He's helping run a crayfish BHA event in Arizona and he needs recipes to share.

• 1:42:27Speaker 05

  Crawfish a toufe, man. That stuff's great.

• 1:42:29Speaker 04

  Mmm.

• 1:42:31Speaker 05

  And then just the old crawfish boil. You gotta do that, too.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, specific recipes? I don't know. I would, I would just go to CajunCooking.com for those two.

• 1:42:43Speaker 05

  Any shrimp recipe would work, too, or whatever, you know?

• 1:42:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, go, but what's that seafood boil that they like to use?

• 1:42:52Speaker 05

  Low country? Or, oh, that, like, the brand?

• 1:42:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:56Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:42:58Speaker 04

  I think it's, the brand is Louisiana, isn't it?

• 1:43:00Speaker 05

  Might be. Louisiana, yeah.

• 1:43:02Speaker 04

  You were down there for a bunch of those boils? Don't you remember? I think, I think it's Louisiana brand. Yeah, just buy like, go online and order like a big box full. They got jugs of the boil you just pour in with the water. Uh, yeah, then you just dump all your ingredients in there. It's easy.

• 1:43:18Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  Okay. Uh, you know what, guys? We just set the record for the longest episode of Media Radio Live. Sweet, we did it.

• 1:43:25Speaker 05

  We did that last time I was hosting.

• 1:43:30Speaker 06

  This seems to be a trend.

• 1:43:31Speaker 04

  Let's go ahead and call it there. I hope everybody enjoyed it. I hope you know that you're completely, you've been slowly moving out of frame, Yanni, and now nobody can see you at all. I hope you all enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun, uh, retelling our hunting stories and listening to Brody and Cory's hunting stories. We should tell more hunting stories on this show.

• 1:43:50Speaker 05

  Did we get any?

• 1:43:50Speaker 04

  If you like hunting stories, make sure to write in and say, and put, uh, you know, "Attention, Spencer, we love hunting stories."

• 1:43:59Speaker 06

  I'll read it, don't worry.

• 1:44:00Speaker 04

  Maybe, maybe we'll just have, we'll have a, a, a two-host show soon. It'll just be you and Spencer. And you guys can kind of compete for, you know, meandering, fun hunting stories without any sort of, you know, like, uh, like fenced in. And then you got Spencer trying to move the show along. Hmm. I think there's a lot of contention there. I think it could be a really fun show. We'll put a poll up at the end to see which, which format people like the best. I just ran a race called "Don't Fence Me In," so.

• 1:44:26Speaker 05

  Oh, nice.

• 1:44:26Speaker 04

  Don't fence me in, Spencer. Thank you all for listening. We'll see you next week.

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