Ep. 822: Public Lands and Weird Headlines | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Randall Williams, Brody Henderson, and Cory Calkins chat with Zach Lentsch and Chris Allen of the Protect Wyoming PAC about their new advocacy group, attempt to suss out Fake News, talk with Mark Kenyon about his new role as MeatEater's Director of Conservation and the latest news surrounding public lands, and cap off the show with another edition of Meat Poll. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:38Speaker 01

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• 3:00Speaker 03

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time here in Bozeman, Montana. That's 11 a.m. for our friends in Great Falls, Montana. Ooh. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by my good friends, Cory Calkins, Brody Henderson.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  G'day.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  As always, Phil Taylor, Master of Ceremonies, is behind the board here. We've got a great show for you today. We're going to talk to two fellows who just started a brand new advocacy group for hunters and anglers in Wyoming. We'll play a little game called Fake News. We're going to chat with Meat Eater's brand spanking new Director of Conservation, Mark Kenyon. We've got another addition of the Meat Pole. Glad to have you with us. Thanks for joining. Brody, Corey, we were just chatting before the show that we don't have a lot to talk about. I suggested Corey talk about his son's broken arm, and he seemed reluctant to do so, so I'm just going to put it out there.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, Brody, you been doing anything fun out there?

• 3:58Speaker 00

  You're not worried about social services checking in, are you?

• 4:01Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Who hasn't jumped off of a swing too far?

• 4:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, Marshall fell off a swing.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  That's like a classic childhood milestone.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Oh, no doubt. Swings or monkey bars or, you know, just getting in a fistfight with another kid.

• 4:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Pretty, yeah. The Calkins family is on a roll of getting injured this winter.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  I was going to say the Calkins men.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  Go hard. We do. We'd go hard in the paint, whether we're trying to knock frisbees out of trees or jumping on a swing.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  Was it like a very um showy breaking of the arm? Like, did he launch himself off the swing?

• 4:35Speaker 04

  No, I guess he was having a like long distance jumping contest. Sure. And then nothing happened there. I don't know who won. Probably not him. He's got, he's pretty short. And then he just jumped back on and then I think he fell on his face and his wrist broke his fall. So minor fracture. He'll be fine.

• 4:51Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. He'll be all right. No, I got nothing, Randall. I'm just looking at Wyoming draw odds for mule deer.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Um, not getting out on the ice?

• 5:00Speaker 00

  What ice?

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Um, yeah, I got, I got a pile of points, but my pile isn't quite big enough.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 5:07Speaker 00

  Like, I'm a couple behind max points, which is a bad place to be in Wyoming.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm in the same position with uh elk and antelope in Wyoming. So just need to light those things on fire at some point.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm in the debacle, at least here in Montana, with plenty of points to draw some pretty awesome tags, but I kinda wanna just keep accumulating too, you know?

• 5:31Speaker 03

  The odds are only gonna get worse.

• 5:32Speaker 04

  Try, I, I continue to try for some of the harder tags.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  I'm like, man, at some point, do I just burn it? Life's short.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  I mean, we, a couple of months from now, we could be sitting in this very room.

• 5:41Speaker 00

  We could be like, yeah.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Talking about how sweet our tags are.

• 5:44Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Uh, I did get out, I guess, two weeks ago with Cal for a very last minute uh waterfowl excursion. So I've just been eating ducks.

• 5:54Speaker 00

  Oh, good for you.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  A lot of ducks. And I just, there's a recipe in the uh Wild and Hole Cookbook. Where you just serum real quick and there's like an orange, squeeze some oranges, throw some bourbon in the pan and drizzle that over and.

• 6:10Speaker 00

  You weren't there for the uh little uh waterfowl extravaganza we did the other day, were you?

• 6:17Speaker 03

  No, but I got the leftover ducks.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  Oh, you did?

• 6:21Speaker 03

  There are a couple.

• 6:22Speaker 00

  You got the leftover good ducks.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got a, a couple pintails, I think. There was a baggie full of uh breasts and thighs in the, in the fridge and I grabbed it on a Friday afternoon. We ate those ducks too, so.

• 6:35Speaker 00

  People should keep an eye out for the next one, man. It's gonna, next little Steve experiment. Um, we eat mergansers.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  Did he break out the lab coat again?

• 6:45Speaker 00

  No lab coat.

• 6:46Speaker 04

  Mmm.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  Hopefully, his, his uh scientific method is.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Better than it was in the ribeye in the sky.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Taste test because we've received a lot of feedback about the gross failures of our.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  There wasn't much science involved in this one. It was just like, uh, just seeing what they taste like.

• 7:03Speaker 05

  Mmm, taste test.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Well, with nothing to add to that, Corey, other than you're broke. Oh, Phil.

• 7:11Speaker 05

  Huh?

• 7:12Speaker 03

  Hey, that's a great idea. Phil, how have you been?

• 7:13Speaker 05

  Oh, oh, fine. I wasn't expecting this, Randall, a little caught off guard here, but um, yeah, I've been doing well. Nothing really new to report. I've got a pre vasectomy appointment today. Aye, dude, this is huge. Whoa. And I was gonna ask Mark about, I think Mark's been public about his vasectomy woes.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  I can see him, I can see him cringing in the little box below our main feed here.

• 7:35Speaker 05

  Maybe we can talk about that with our new director of conservation.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Boy, let me, I, you said you didn't have much going on. You got it all going on.

• 7:44Speaker 05

  It's all, it's all happening, baby.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  That's fun. I just made a note here. Phil's vasectomy.

• 7:48Speaker 00

  You know, Phil, I had some buddies that all, they, I think this was a, I don't know if it's still a thing, but it's, it was a thing where dudes would like schedule their vasectomies, like a, a circle of friends, like all at the same time. And then they had to have like a little post vasectomy, you know, gathering, celebration.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't, should I?

• 8:09Speaker 00

  So you might wanna see if anyone else in the office is, you know.

• 8:12Speaker 05

  I'll do it. Randall? Yeah, sure. Sweet, let's do it. Yeah. Find any excuse to throw a party.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  We can get some good time in on the, uh, switches.

• 8:21Speaker 05

  I mean, that's gonna happen regardless.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  Well, on that note, joining us first today are Zach Lynch and Chris Allen, the founders of a new advocacy group, Protect Wyoming PAC. Zach, Chris, welcome to the show.

• 8:38Speaker 06

  Thanks, guys. Thanks for having us.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:40Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Now, before we get into the, the details of your new group, can you just introduce ourselves, introduce yourselves to the audience and just tell us where you're coming from and what you guys do?

• 8:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, my name is Zach Lynch. I live in Cody. I work as a mountain guide. I own a guiding business.

• 9:02Speaker 07

  And I grew up in Wyoming.

• 9:05Speaker 07

  Hunted and fished for as long as I can remember. And just a point of clarification, we are not an advocacy group. We are a political action committee.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 9:14Speaker 07

  We're doing very different things. We're getting involved in elections and educating voters.

• 9:20Speaker 07

  But yeah, I got really inspired to get involved in Wyoming state politics. Last year when we had a lot of anti-public lands and anti-public wildlife legislation introduced in session. And Protect Wyoming is the result of that.

• 9:39Speaker 07

  That desire to get involved.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. And how did you you connect with Chris here?

• 9:45Speaker 07

  So we, I think we're both coming from a place of, you know, not being involved in politics ever before in our, in our lives and talking to other hunters and outdoors people in Wyoming that knew more about the political process than than we did. And we were able to connect through mutual friends.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  Gotcha. And Chris, you're coming to us from further east then.

• 10:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm on the kind of the north central part of the state in Claremont, Wyoming, just about an hour. So north, south of the Montana border. So a little different landscape than Zach's in more prairie country. Ranch country out here and Zach and I just hold similar, similar values on public land and public wildlife.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. So can you, you mentioned, Zach, you mentioned that this is a political action committee, Protect Wyoming PAC. And you mentioned sort of that last year's legislative session was influential in you guys getting this thing off the ground. Can you tell us a little bit about how you came to decide on being a PAC rather than a, you know, a 501(c)(3) and can you tell us like, what are your core issues?

• 11:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, great questions. Um, you know, answer your first, why a PAC as opposed to another advocacy organization? Well, there are a lot of great advocacy organizations um for public lands and wildlife in Wyoming. Um, and I think it was eye opening last year to see um how a lot of the advocacy advocacy seemed to fall flat um with a number of legislators. Um, you know, I went to public town halls where, you know, cosponsors of, for instance, Senate Resolution Two, which would have transferred all federal public lands to the state in Wyoming, um,

• 11:51Speaker 07

  with the intent of selling them off. Uh, I mean, the public was in up in arms about this. Um, and, you know, I I remember clearly in Cody, one town hall where one of the cosponsors of that bill said he didn't care that he was going to introduce the legislation again, um, if he had the opportunity, and he didn't care what the constituents thought. And so, it was in that moment, really, that my eyes opened that we need to get involved in the on the election side of things if our legislators aren't going to represent our interests when we when we talk to them. Um, so Political Action Committee is really an organization

• 12:31Speaker 07

  that's meant to inform the voting public. So it's coming from us Wyomingites, um, no special interest, just, you know, outdoors people that want to protect our public lands. And then we want to talk to voters before the election to say, hey, this is what this person has voted for in the past. This is what they say that their stance on this issue is, and we think you should know that before you go to the ballot box.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, because a lot of your traditional, you know, 501(c)(3) groups, they can talk about what issues are important in an election, and they can ask you to sort of vote on behalf of conservation, but they can't get involved in saying, "This candidate did this. This candidate is a better choice if you care about public lands." That's correct, right?

• 13:21Speaker 07

  Correct, yeah. And we're not, just to clarify, we're not coordinating with any party

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:29Speaker 07

  or, you know, any candidate or their campaign, which is really important for us. You know, we're nonpartisan, and we just want people to be aware of our core issues, which are, one, public lands in public hands, no questions about that.

• 13:48Speaker 07

  Two, public wildlife. We're really opposed to transferable landowner tags, or any privatization of wildlife in Wyoming. And, three, scientific management of wildlife. Politicians should not be in charge of wildlife populations. Biologists should be.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, can you talk a little bit about the landowner tag issue? I know there was a proposal, or there is a proposal. I haven't really kept up on it, but this is an issue that pops up every now and then in different states, and I wonder if you can talk about what the status is in Wyoming?

• 14:23Speaker 07

  Yeah, the first attempt was about 10 years ago to make

• 14:29Speaker 07

  landowner tags transferable. So, as it is in Wyoming now,

• 14:35Speaker 07

  you know, if you're a landowner, you have more than 160 acres, and you can, you know, prove that you have a lot of wildlife on your land, then you can get a few, an appropriate amount of landowner tags, but you cannot sell those to anyone.

• 14:53Speaker 07

  There are a lot of opportunities for landowners to make money from hunting indirectly, namely trespass leases, you know, and they can control access for hunters and they can get damage from wildlife, hurting their crops. But again, no tag is transferable. But we've seen legislation 10 years ago and then more recently this last year that would allow landowners to sell those tags off.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  Can I jump in and ask you a question?

• 15:22Speaker 07

  Totally.

• 15:23Speaker 00

  Um, tho- the, those landowner tags, would they be good only on that landowner's land? Or are they good like unit wide? Like they, someone could buy them and then go hunt on public land or wherever with them?

• 15:39Speaker 07

  It's, it's for the area. Now, you know, the state of Wyoming gave a fish department has issued, um, tags for specific properties, essentially where there's like an, let's say, an alfalfa field in the middle of the Big Horn Basin and there's, you know, 400 head of, you know, pronghorn there. They, they've issued special tags for damage mitigation, but generally, this is not to do with damage. This is people being able to sell elk licenses for $10,000 or $20,000, whatever. And it completely circumvents the draw system. It

• 16:21Speaker 07

  doesn't put money in, in, in the state system at all. It just, you know, lines the pockets of, of large landowners who want to sell off all their tags. And we've already seen so much landowner captures. For instance, I hunted a pronghorn area in northern Wyoming this fall in all, because we're, we've had a lot of issues with blue tongue, um, you know, we see reduced pronghorn numbers. All the type one tags in that, all the rifle tags in that area are, are go to landowners already. I had to get a type zero muzzleloader tag in order to have a chance to hunt a male, uh, pronghorn.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. So when the tag numbers get shrunk, that, that pool of landowner tags doesn't shrink in proportion. It just eats up more of the pie.

• 17:06Speaker 07

  Correct.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 17:08Speaker 07

  But, I mean, there's already, you know, that landowner capture of tags is another issue in the current system, which is not perfect, but what we're taking a political stance on is that these tags should not be transferable. And we think it goes across against state law, which says that wildlife is in the possession of the people of Wyoming, not individual property.

• 17:31Speaker 06

  There's actually a Title 23 in law in Wyoming right now that says there shouldn't be private ownership of wildlife. So in essence, that's already in law. I just think there's things happening on the state level that there's a certain subgroup of people that want to privatize it for profit. So.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  Gotcha. And this is a, this is a PAC that you said it's nonpartisan, it's going to be grassroots funded. There's obviously a lot of money in politics. What's your strategy for making an impact with grassroots funding and what I assume would be maybe more limited resources than some of the bigger stakeholders out there?

• 18:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, we have to be really strategic in how we spend money that we raise. So we don't know which candidates are running until the May filing deadline. So we'll, at that point, you know, see what kind of war chests we have and see what races we can really make an impact in. But generally statewide races aren't as expensive as federal ones. And so with grassroots funding, we can still make a sizable impact and focus on key legislative races and hopefully raise enough money to get involved in the governor's race because the governor is going to be, it's going to be a very competitive race this year, we believe. Again, we don't know who all is running, but the governor has a lot of say about.

• 19:04Speaker 07

  You know, public lands and wildlife policy in Wyoming.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Gotcha. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna detour here from the questions that I'd shared with you and ask you this. Um, you both mentioned that this is your first sort of foray into politics. If there are people listening to this that don't like what's going on in their state, they're frustrated by what they see in their state legislature. Have you learned anything or have your eyes been open to, to the reality of getting involved in something like this? Like what advice would you give for people that, that are in the position that you were, you know, last, last legislative session?

• 19:41Speaker 07

  I mean, it's eye opening to see the disconnect between um, what I, you know, would argue like most people value in Wyoming. Like regardless where you are on the political spectrum, most people highly value public lands and public wildlife. And to see now, you know, paying closer attention to what's happening in legislatures, there's so few sportsmen in the legislature. Right. And so few people hunt, fish, rock climb, whatever. You know, they, they do not value those activities because they do not do them. I mean, a lot of those people are not even from this state. They've moved here recently and have political ambitions.

• 20:23Speaker 07

  And so that's been really eye opening to me is to see like how we're not being represented well in Cheyenne by and large. Um, and I would encourage people to get involved in any way, right? Whether that's simply showing up to town hall, talking to your representatives. First and foremost, learning who your representatives are. A lot of people, when they think about politics, they think about politics at the federal level or maybe the governor's race, but they're not thinking about their local representatives. And, and those folks in Cheyenne or Helena or whatever often have a greater impact on your ability to hunt fish and recreate than, than, you know, President of the United States does. So, um, educate yourself about what's going on at the state level, um, at the local level.

• 21:09Speaker 07

  And then see, you know, we all have, we're working people. So we, we have limited time and resources and see where, you know, uh, you can make an impact. And we would argue that, you know, supporting, um, you know, a PAC is, is. Has a direct impact because we can get involved in election and and we can show you where we're spending your money and um you know, hopefully elect some people who are going to stand up for our land and wildlife.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Gotcha. Well, uh.

• 21:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, Randall, I I'd probably piggyback off Zach there just uh real quick on the website front. We got a great website, but it's a um I think we need to, I I think it's easy to get to the ballot box and see those big names and pick the big name, uh the big names on the ballot, but I think it's uh some of these local races have kind of been put on the back burner because you don't know who it is or what they're about. So with our PAC and our website, we really want to showcase who, you know, who supports and who opposes public lands. So.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, education is huge. Um you mentioned the website. Is that the best place for people to go if they want to learn more about Protect Wyoming PAC?

• 22:24Speaker 06

  I would say yes. And then um we do have a newsletter coming out that uh people, if they want to connect with us, they can connect to the website and then get linked up with the newsletter about what's going on and just stay factual on what's what's happening with the legislature.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  Well, Chris, Zach, we really appreciate you guys joining us and we appreciate what you're doing for for hunters and anglers in Wyoming and and setting up an example for folks across the country who want to get involved. Thank you.

• 22:53Speaker 06

  I thank you, guys.

• 22:54Speaker 07

  Appreciate it.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  We got to get some more uh, I mean, I'm always like inspired when I see people just deciding to do something.

• 23:06Speaker 00

  Go out and try and kick some ass.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, whatever, you know, whatever your commitments are here, there, like to to actually get off your ass and and do something. That's that's commendable. I hope that they uh see some success there.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  Yep.

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• 25:20Steven Rinella?

  Learn more about how they do it at conservationfund.org. Our next segment is Fake News.

• 25:44Speaker 05

  You can do anything you set your minds to, guys. Except like teleport or fly.

• 25:49Speaker 00

  My two boys would be deeply upset by what you just did to that song.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Oh, is that, is that one of the favorites in the house right now?

• 25:57Speaker 04

  It is.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  It is amazing what a, what a cultural touch point that is.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  I mean, Clay Newcomb knows the words to that.

• 26:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, my, my oldest went through a, went through a phase with that song a couple of years ago, too.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Clay Newcomb was reciting the words to that, uh, on the live tour before his Al Hooten contest.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  Really? That surprises me.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, Mom's spaghetti and everything.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  No way.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  I'd say, I'd say in the grand scheme of the hip hop landscape, that is like pretty clean for, for

• 26:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  Clay's Newcomb scale, so.

• 26:29Speaker 03

  I can just drop my chair a little bit.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  I know you're centered in there, bud.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  Alrighty, well, you know the rules here, uh, let me bring them up again so that I can read them to you. Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three imposters. Your job is to fix your, figure out which one is true.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  So this is two lies and one truth, not two truths and one lie.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  This is a multiple choice.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  Gotcha.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  Three, three lies and one.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll start, we'll go one at a time, one headline at a time here, so Phil, can you bring up the first headline?

• 27:05Speaker 05

  I'd love to.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  A three-legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way.

• 27:13Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Is it a grizzly bear, a wolf, a lion, or a man in Tennessee?

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Well, now, there's three-legged bears, wolves, and lions all over the place.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  But have they learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way?

• 27:27Speaker 00

  Before we answer this.

• 27:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, it is.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  Five years ago, was it five? I shot a three-legged black bear in Colorado. That was huge.

• 27:37Speaker 04

  Hmm. I almost did two years ago, and then her little cub came out.

• 27:41Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Ooh. But I like Shanks, so I wasn't gonna.

• 27:44Speaker 00

  So that's gonna impact, that's gonna impact my, man.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  A three-legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way. Now, the conceit of this game is that unless you've seen this newspaper article, there's no way to make any sort of an educated guess here.

• 27:59Speaker 05

  True.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  I could see it, multiple three-legged folks coming in from Tennessee.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  Okay, okay. Got to really hammer down.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Let's go. What kind of lion?

• 28:13Speaker 03

  African lion.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 28:15Speaker 00

  Mufasa.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  Simba.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  You deliberately disobeyed me.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Well, we've got our answers.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  Brody says C lion. Corey says B wolf.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Let's go.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  We've got a correct answer in the room. The answer is C lion.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Oh, come on.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Per new scientist, Jacob, an 11-year-old lion in Queen Elizabeth National Park, Uganda, made headlines last year when he and his brother were filmed swimming 1.5 kilometers across a crocodile-filled river. The animal lost a leg in a poacher's snare, but has managed to adopt an ambush-style hunting strategy resembling that of leopards. Researchers who were puzzled by Jacob's continued survival made the discovery via drone footage.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  Did he lose a back leg or a front leg?

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Phil, pull up that picture.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I couldn't tell.

• 29:07Speaker 00

  Because that really impacts things.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  Back left leg.

• 29:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I could see it working. I could see it working.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it was kind of interesting. They're saying that they don't see too many examples of animals adopting completely new strategies.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  Right.

• 29:26Speaker 03

  Like that their species doesn't otherwise demonstrate.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  And so, you know, it raises questions for them in terms of like behavioral adaptation.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, the black bear I shot had lost his front left leg.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. And that lion's also missing an eye. I tried to work that in, but then I just figured I'd add that.

• 29:47Speaker 04

  Man, cats are wicked smart.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Phil, can we have our second headline? So Brody's up 1-0. Jeez. Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans' treasures, including a 650-year-old blank, in these bird nests. Is it a sandal?

• 30:07Speaker 00

  Are they collecting these things from corpses?

• 30:11Speaker 03

  I don't know. Actually, that's an unanswerable question. I know, but it would be interesting. Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans treasures, including a 650 year old blank in these birds nests. Your choices are, is it a sandal? Is it an urn? Is it a pipe? Or is it a knife?

• 30:31Speaker 04

  You guys ever come across a vulture nest?

• 30:33Speaker 03

  Mm-mm.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  I came across one, I think it was in Illinois. And it was like on the side of a cliff. I could hear like a light screeching, caught my attention, so I looked in and there was a just bones and hair and poop everywhere. And there was one little, small baby vulture in there like bouncing up and down. It didn't look real.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  Bones and hair and poop everywhere. Hmm. Sounds like the mudroom when I leave my dogs there for a long day. Did you put your answer down yet Cory?

• 31:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  I know what I want to put down, but.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  I can't, 650 year old sandal.

• 31:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, that would be an old sandal.

• 31:13Speaker 03

  But it'd also be an old urn. It's also not really a treasure. No.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Flip them over, boys. Hold on, I didn't answer yet. Brody's still thinking. He's, he's still thinking based on all of the available information.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  Not trivia.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Brody, what's your answer here? My answer is a pipe. A pipe? And Cory says D, a knife. Whir, whir. The correct answer is a sandal. Oh, come on. That's not a treasure. Per Smithsonian magazine. Archaeologists in southern Spain recently recovered more than 200 human artifacts from historical bearded vulture nests in southern Spain. Uh, I rewrote that sentence and didn't delete southern Spain, so that's where that's, there's a redundancy. One of the most remarkable finds is a 650 year old sandal made from woven twigs and grasses. According to a study, study published last month in the journal Ecology. This is what, where it gets interesting.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  Bearded vultures have been extinct in southern Spain for 70 to 130 years, depending on the specific region. But while the birds have disappeared from the area, their well-preserved nests can still be found there, often tucked into protected hidden spaces in the mountains. I think it came off a corpse.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  That would be fun. That would be fun. Phil, can we get a third headline, please? Oh, we sure can.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don't know why. Is it their offspring? Anacondas, tree branches, or discarded rope?

• 32:50Speaker 04

  This is a global fake news segment.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don't know why.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Is it their offspring? Anacondas, tree branches, or discarded rope?

• 33:15Speaker 04

  I can easily get rid of two of those, so...

• 33:20Speaker 04

  Pretty fly for a white guy.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say. Man, this background music really makes things tense, Phil. The most violent, the most violent mosh pit I ever participated in was at an offspring show.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  Really?

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. We had big pizzas that they're giving out for free and you'd throw them on the ground and it was like a big banana peel. So you just push like five people into it and it all flipped. Did you emerge from that whole thing bloodied? Uh, no, I was unscathed, but there were many good men we lost that day.

• 33:49Speaker 03

  You got an answer, Corey?

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know it.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  Do you know that the lead singer, Dexter Gordon, I think is his name, Dexter something? He's got like a doctorate in chemistry or something like that.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 33:56Speaker 05

  He's an educated man.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  With a name like that, yeah, you better.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  That's the best thing we have on this show today. Corey's got an answer, Brody's got, Corey says A, their offspring, Brody says D, discarded rope.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  The correct answer is anacondas.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Oh, come on. This is...

• 34:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. It's hard to guess these when you don't have any information. Can't be very big anacondas.

• 34:18Speaker 05

  It's almost like it's a flawed game.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  This one comes from a website. Well, I think that's what's fun about it. It is fun. We're basically just rolling it, rolling a die and seeing who comes up with, so this one comes from, uh, uh, ZME Science. And I'm just gonna read a few sentences from their article because it's written in a very funny way.

• 34:39Speaker 03

  Imagine the excitement of biologists from the Noel Kemp Mercado Museum of Natural History during one seemingly uneventful day in August 2021.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  Really building it up.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  That day, they saw not one, but two Bolivian river dolphins with their heads above the river. But that was really nothing compared to what they noticed next. Taking out their cameras to snap some quick photos of this extraordinarily rare sighting, the researchers could now see that the two dolphins were holding an anaconda in their beaks, handling it like it was a plush toy. This was absolutely shocking to members of the teams. It's safe to say something like this had never been witnessed, or at least this is the first time it was documented. Bolivians' benny anacondas are apex predators, meaning no one messes with them. Apart from a single case of cannibalism, no one had ever seen Bolivian anacondas getting killed or eaten by any other wild animal.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  It happened once.

• 35:36Speaker 00

  How did they know that they killed it? They could have just floundered it floating dead.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  It was alive when they started.

• 35:43Speaker 00

  Well, still.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  They said they messed with it for like six to eight minutes, picking it up out of the water and then diving down, holding it in their beaks. And they just were like, their assumption is that they were playing with it.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's like, well, playing with stuff is like well documented behavior from dolphins. Like, I've seen dolphins mess with redfish and throw them back and forth. I've seen them kill tarpon just for fun and then leave them behind.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  But this is an apex predator, meaning no one messes with them in their ecosystem.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Well, Brody squeezed the fun out of that question.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  I just don't find it that remarkable.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  But he still wins the game by a score of one to nothing.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  Don't find it that remarkable, Randall.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  Congratulations, Brody. Well done, Brody. Um, let's see, Phil, how's the chat doing today? It's been a scintillating program so far.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  It sure has. The chat, not a lot of questions from the chat today, so get those in. Your chances are high.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  That could be bad because if they're not questions, that means there's comments. Scary.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  Oh, no, most, most people are.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  They're still talking about Phil's vasectomy.

• 36:52Speaker 05

  My vasectomy, they're asking Randall about beating off a mountain lion, which if you haven't listened to the last episode of the Meteor Podcast, check that out. But I want to shout out Brad Weber, who says, hey, thanks to you and the team or for the shout out to our bunny hunting group last week. It brought us great luck. 30 rabbits and a bonus raccoon.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  That's a good day.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  We are de- enjoying Hossen.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  I wish we got more of that. I wish we got like, hey, we're going to this. Good luck. And then a follow up. Yeah, that's great. Then we'd have a better sense of our ability to confer luck on the audience.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  We could just pivot the idea of the show completely. It could just kind of be like a.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  Phil, I've been rethinking the whole thing.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  From the ground up.

• 37:29Speaker 05

  We'll see how that pans out. Uh, Free Crank asks, Brody, did you see the Pennsylvania game commission wants to change hunting season in PA again? They want to possibly move the opening day of rifle to the week before Thanksgiving.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  You know, my dad just sent that to me this very morning and uh,

• 37:47Speaker 00

  I think it will be like, if they made that change, I think it'd be very unpopular to like have Thanksgiving in the middle of deer season. They changed, they, they recently changed opening day of rifle season from the Monday after Thanksgiving to the Saturday after Thanksgiving, which you would think would have been a popular move, but a lot of people hated it. So I think backing it up a week and sticking a national holiday in the middle of, of deer season would be unpopular. That's my thoughts.

• 38:19Speaker 05

  Thank you, Brody.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  Uh, we had a comment from Valencore that was quickly followed up uh, from, by somebody else. He says, any hot tips or advice on the best way to prepare marmot? And then I don't remember who, but someone said, watch out for the plague. Cause apparently that's a, that's a real thing.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm not endorsing this practice, but I would have to guess some sort of a slow cook.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  Listen.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  Fall off the bone marmot gloves.

• 38:40Speaker 00

  The traditional way is to uh, and we were gonna, you know, we were gonna try this for uh, the last cookbook we did, the outdoor cookbook. There are cultures that just like. Cook them inside their like With the hair on and everything? Yeah. Try that. But I shot a couple Mormon marmots. I did not shoot a couple Mormons, I promise. Um, I shot a couple marmots years ago in Colorado. And they were the hardest thing to skin I have ever tried to skin. Oh, yeah. Like covered in greasy fat. Like, you know how squirrels are hard to skin? Hmm. Hard to get that hide off. And, um, I will never eat another marmot again. But good luck to you. What if you tried dipping it in a bucket of water?

• 39:26Speaker 00

  Just like, put it in a crock pot for about thirty six hours and

• 39:30Speaker 03

  Maybe with like a buffalo wing.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  Preparation.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  Lots of barbecue shells.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  Uh, admire, please keep us updated, Valancourt.

• 39:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 05

  Uh, we got Christie Holmes in the chat saying, me and thirty six ladies are going smelting tomorrow in Maine. She was on One Minute Fishing last winter.

• 39:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 05

  Wish us luck.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Good luck. Oh, fried smell is so good.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  That's a lot of ladies. I, I assume that's not a typo. Me and thirty, I don't think I've ever done anything.

• 39:59Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. It's a real social thing, like very social.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  Thirty six people, Brody.

• 40:04Speaker 00

  Well, we should go there and go smelting with these thirty six people. Really fun.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  Best of luck to you, Christie. Please keep us updated.

• 40:10Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, Mogor is in the chat. Hi, Randall. Will there be a movie review segment in the future? Chin scratching emoji. It's been a very long time since the last one. Thank you for your answer.

• 40:21Speaker 00

  It has.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  Mogor. I would love to do another movie review segment. To be honest, our schedule has been a bit, uh,

• 40:30Speaker 03

  there's been a lot of uncertainty around who's handling what around the holiday and we've had a sort of quickly, you know, I, long story short, we're a little behind eight ball. But I will get a movie review going here soon. And it's gonna, it's gonna blow everything else that I've done previously out of the water.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  You should allow the chat to choose the movie you review.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Uh,

• 40:54Speaker 05

  We get a lot of recommendations.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  I have a question for the chat.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Would, uh, do you think Congo, the movie Congo?

• 41:01Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Is a good meat eater movie club movie? It's not really hunting, but they're animals and some of them do die. Most, actually, if you haven't seen the movie, they all die at the end.

• 41:12Speaker 00

  Oh, geez.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Let us know.

• 41:17Speaker 05

  While we wait for those results to file in, we've got a question from Seth. Anyone else mix organ meats with their ground? I was contemplating doing a one to 10 ratio, adding some liver to my burger meat. Would that be a mistake?

• 41:29Speaker 03

  No, I, I mean, I've never done it, but it sounds like something that

• 41:35Speaker 03

  in countries where they make a lot of interesting sausages, it sounds like something to do.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  Sure, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I've thrown like heart in, in with my burger grind before.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, good way to save and utilize the liver. Eat that heart on its own, though, would be my.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 04

  That's so good, but the liver, yeah, toss it in there.

• 41:53Speaker 05

  Cool, we'll do one more before we get to.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  Please.

• 41:55Speaker 05

  Next guest, this is from Blaine. I've been looking for a Teddy Roosevelt documentary to read. I think he means biography, but there are so many to choose from. You guys have any advice on the best one? Randall, if you've.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  I think the, the, the, the new classic is, uh, Douglas Brinkley,

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Wilderness Warrior. There's another one, Theodore Rex.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  That's, that's a like tomb. That's like a Wilderness Warrior is like a brick, man.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  I think.

• 42:25Speaker 00

  While Randall's thinking about an actual biography, if you want something a little lighter, that's like a real fun read and it has a lot of adventure and craziness in it, um, read River of Doubt.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Canvas.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  It's very, it's a very cool, it's like post Teddy's presidency where he's like bumming because he's getting old and he wants to do one last adventure and he goes to look for the source of a river in the Amazon. It's super cool.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, Edmund Morris, Theodore Rex, and then I'm sure, uh, what's the name of the guy that writes biographies of everybody?

• 43:01Speaker 00

  Um,

• 43:04Speaker 00

  I know exactly who you're talking about. I can't think of his name.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a lot out there. I think the Brinkley, Brinkley, the Wilderness Warrior really focuses on his conservation legacy. And if that's what gets you interested, I'd check that one out. Um, yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  Is there one called The Rough Riders? Am I just making that up?

• 43:27Speaker 03

  I'm sure there's a book called The Rough Riders. Google's failing me.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  The naturalist.

• 43:33Speaker 05

  Randall, we, I'm, there's no way you have not seen this movie based on the director and the cast, but someone suggested The Legacy of a Whitetail Deer Hunter, which is a Jodie Hill movie.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  You know what? I really wanted to do that. I thought it would be fun to get, um, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's, it's a movie about, is this the one about the guy who has the TV show?

• 43:54Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, Josh Brolin's in it, Carrie Coon, Sue McNairy, Danny McBride.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  I thought it would be really funny to do that with Steve and Yanis.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  And like, ask them about.

• 44:05Speaker 05

  Oh, sure.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  The, you know, the, the overlap, but they both summarily rejected that out of hand. Because it's one of those things, they're too close to it to even enjoy it. So.

• 44:15Speaker 05

  That's, that's the, that's the whole point.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  I don't want to be in a room with Steve getting grouchy again, already.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  I mean, I don't either, but I think our audience.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:25Speaker 00

  You should do that Buffalo Hunter Nicolas Cage movie.

• 44:30Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  That Steve was kind of.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  We should do that one.

• 44:34Speaker 00

  Tangentially and like, just like.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:37Speaker 00

  Kind of a little bit at one point involved with.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  What was the name of that one?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Let's do that. Let's do that one.

• 44:43Speaker 00

  I forget what it's called, but I've been meaning to like, I've been meaning to check it out.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  Butchers Crossing?

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, Butchers Crossing. Well, I think we've got a, I think we've got through our question and answer segment here because Mark Kenyon has been waiting very patiently on the line.

• 44:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I told him he could leave and come back later and he's been watching the show.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  It's now 11:40. Oh, I'm looking at our schedule. We're way behind. I don't know how we did that because we only had two segments.

• 45:07Speaker 00

  No, listen, we always go.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Not again. Next up, we're joined by Mark Kenyon, who recently became Meat Eaters Director of Conservation. Mark, it's good to see you. Welcome to the show.

• 45:19Speaker 08

  Thanks, Randall. It's great to be here. Uh, it was, it was more painful than anything having to sit here and hear you guys talk about book recommendations and not be able to speak.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 08

  Glad I'm finally on.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Please chime in. Do you have a, do you have a favorite T R biography?

• 45:34Speaker 08

  Well, like Brody said, the, the iconic one is The Wilderness Warrior, but it is a huge, you know, doorstop of a book.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:41Speaker 08

  Um, a couple lighter reading versions that'll get you some interesting insight with some adventure along the way would be. Leave It As It Is by David Gesner. That's an interesting one that pairs a travel narrative with kind of an exploration of Roosevelt and kind of wrestling with his legacy. And then another one is The Naturalist, and that takes a look at Roosevelt's conservation legacy and from a slightly more, I mean, as the title would suggest, not as much on the hunting side, but a little bit more about his background as an amateur naturalist, birder, all those different things early on in his life, and then how that kind of came along with him. So, so those are two easier reading options to consider.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  Clearly, we should have just pulled you in earlier in this discussion, but I'm glad that, I'm glad that our faithful listeners have finally gotten you to weigh in on that. Mark, if folks are paying attention to the news lately, they know that you are the newest MeatEater Director of Conservation. You inherit your, your position from a worthy man in Ryan Callahan, who's moved on to become the CEO at BHA. Can you tell us what it means to be the Director of Conservation at a company like MeatEater?

• 46:57Speaker 08

  It's a, it's a huge honor. It's something that I'm just really, really thankful to get to do. It's some, it's the kind of work that I've been dreaming of and working towards for a really long time. You know, I think most people at MeatEater know me from what brought me in, which was my whitetail passion, and of course Wired to Hunt and all those things. But parallel to all that, I've had this growing desire to find ways that I can make a difference on the conservation side. And so that's led me to tackle all sorts of side hustle projects, like writing my books about public lands and wildlife and, you know, doing increasingly new things within the MeatEater world, whether that's, you know, founding the Working for Wildlife Tour, or

• 47:40Speaker 08

  representing us with the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership at events and all sorts of different things. So it's been a long time coming. It worked out really great that, you know, Cal was moving on to even bigger and better things and, and me and him had worked together on so much over the last few years that this is a pretty natural thing to step into. And I'm just really excited because. I'm on fire about it and there's a great need at the moment too. So I'm excited to, to continue to build off this great conservation, you know, foundation that Cal and Steve and really the whole team has built over the years.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  And what are the types of things like week to, maybe not day to day, but week to week, sort of what, what does that role encompass in terms of like, who are you talking to? What are you doing? Uh, what are you working towards?

• 48:26Speaker 08

  Yeah, you know, there, there's a lot of different things that it's going to entail. I think on one hand, there's like the long-term strategy, which is thinking about, how do we at Mediter strategically rally our resources and our voice and our platforms to, to work towards better conservation outcomes. So sometimes that's reacting to a bad piece of legislation. How do we educate everyone who's listening to us? How do we inspire and, and activate people to, to do something about it? How do we use our, you know, our funding or our relationships or anything like that to, to move the needle? Um, on the flip side, then it's thinking about how do we think about conservation storytelling and the content we do and, and thinking, you know, a long ways out, where are we needed on that front?

• 49:10Speaker 08

  And then kind of on a day-to-day basis, it's making sure that, you know, we at Mediter are tapped into what's happening, whether it be, you know, on the wildlife management side of things or the public land side of things, or the million different, um, news bites that are popping up every day, understanding what's happening, talking to our conservation partners, talking to contacts, you know, in Washington DC or in state capitals and figuring out, what are the issues that are impacting hunters and anglers and wildlife and wild places? And is, you know, is any one of those things something that we should be engaging in, whether that be just with, you know, us educating or us doing some other things too. So, that's a little bit of what it's going to look like. We'll be doing

• 49:53Speaker 08

  more content, more news, more education. And then I think what I'm really excited about is finding ways to.

• 50:01Speaker 08

  Help not just us at the company, but our entire community more actively engage. How do we actually like get boots on the ground and do good things for wildlife and wild places? How do we show up in person to make sure that public lands stay in public hands? How do we, how do we do these things in really concrete ways? Um, I think that's been a, a trademark of Mediter in many ways. And, you know, whether that be our content, storytelling, cookbooks. Um, so how do we continue to do that on the conservation front? Maybe in, in bolder ways than we ever have.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  Well, I know everybody here is excited to have you in that role because it's a great fit and looking forward to seeing what you do there. But we brought you on today to talk about another bit of news and another person who is nominated for a new job here. And it's sort of been flying under the radar, but recently there's been some attention, uh, pointed to the administration's nomination of Steve Pierce to direct the Bureau of Land Management. Um, and there's a bit of controversy around it. Can you tell us a little bit about, uh, this individual and, and maybe what's at stake with the nomination? Like what is, what is the BLM director do and, and who's the guy that might have that job?

• 51:15Speaker 08

  Yeah. So I'll give you a very short answer to the first part of that, and then we can dive in further if you want. But the director of the Bureau of Land Management oversees a massive swath of our federal public lands. It's, it's somewhere in the, you know, somewhere between 240 and 250 million acres of our public lands are managed by this person. He gets to spearhead how resource management plans are put into the ground and developed. So what actually happens on this landscape? Uh, this person will oversee and approve or rescind the rules that this organization makes. Really important things that dictate, you know, how we manage these landscapes, how we extract resources from them,

• 51:55Speaker 08

  how we utilize them and allow others to utilize them, whether that's for extraction or grazing or recreation or conservation. Uh, this is the person that, you know, part of what the BLM has done in the past and other land managing agencies is they assess the lands that they manage and they determine if those are appropriate lands for disposal even. That's something that does happen. That's something that this person could do. So whoever sits in this seat. Has wide authority over a big chunk of ground that hunters and anglers really care about. I mean, this is some of our very best pronghorn hunting, mule deer hunting, elk hunting, sage grouse habitat, all sorts of grouse habitat.

• 52:38Speaker 08

  This is big, wide open, beautiful country that a lot of us hold dear. So yeah, this is a pretty important job and there are some red flags right now about Steve Pearce because of, you know, not just one thing he said, I feel like, you know, it's easy these days in the era of cancel culture. If you say one thing wrong, right? It'd be pretty easy to get in big trouble for just saying one thing wrong.

• 53:05Speaker 08

  Steve Pearce has had a long legacy of saying many things that don't come off too well when it comes to public lands. A lot of statements, a lot of letters, an actual supportive legislation in his previous jobs that do not bode well for someone in this position. So he was a congressman from, he was a congressman twice from 2003 to 2009, I believe, and 11 to 19 in the state of New Mexico. And over the course of that timeframe, multiple instances where he's spoken about how the federal government shouldn't own lands, how federal public lands should be sold off, how the land estate should be shrunk.

• 53:47Speaker 08

  He co-authored a letter to the Speaker of the House back in 2012, I think it was, pushing for the sale of public lands. He co-sponsored a bill that would sell public lands. He supported the Jason Chavitz 2017 bill that would sell off three some million acres of public lands. And just, I could go on and on. There's so many of these examples. So yeah, that is a little bit concerning if somebody who has actively tried to sell off our public lands or actively tried to shrink public lands, if he's now in charge of them. So at the high level, that's why this is raising some eyebrows.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I mean, it seems very clear that it's like a fox in the hen house situation potentially. How have conservation groups reacted to this news? I believe he was nominated at the end of last year and his appointment or his confirmation hearings are still forthcoming. But what's, what's the word on the street right now from folks that care about public lands and fishing wildlife?

• 54:49Speaker 08

  Yeah, it has been, you know, as you would expect, a lot of concern, a lot of people raising the same points that I just did. The, the fox in the hen house analogy is perfect. A group of 80 or so environmental and conservation organizations sent a letter to the leaders of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee just recently, expressing, you know, serious concerns along the lines of what I've just mentioned. So yeah, there's a lot of pushback. My, our good buddy Cal, he has been sounding the alarm at Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. I know he was just in DC recently talking to folks about this as well. So yeah, I think the alarm is being rung.

• 55:32Speaker 08

  I think there is reason to, you know, you want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt if he gets the job. But I would like him to do so if that's going to happen with some commitments on the record to not do and to not pursue some of the ideas that he's voiced support for in the past.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, that makes total sense. Do you know if there's, if there's a confirmation hearing scheduled? And then, you know, in the meantime, how can people make a difference if they want to weigh in on this?

• 56:03Speaker 08

  So the hearing has not been announced yet, but it seems like it's imminent. You know, everyone's talking about it happening sometime soon.

• 56:12Speaker 08

  And I think what we can do about it is, is let our, here's the thing. From everything I understand and from everyone I've talked to, it's very, very unlikely that his approval, that his nomination will not be approved. He's likely going to get the job. So then the question is, well, are we wasting our time raising a stink about it? Because he's going to get the job no matter what. So why are we, why are we going to use those resources? And what it seems like the play here seems to be that in this nomination hearing, he has to stand up in front of everyone and answer questions under oath about what his plans are, what his views are, what the direction of this is going to be. And he's going to have to answer for his past statements and actions as well. And so what we as

• 56:56Speaker 08

  Hunters and anglers and people who care about these places can do is we can ask our senators, especially if they sit on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, who will get to be a part of that. We can ask them to ask these tough questions. We can explain to them why this matters to us in whatever state you live in and why it's important that if Steve Pearce gets this job in this job interview that he's going to effectively be on, he's got to answer for some of these stuff. So BHA has done a really cool and easy thing that for anyone wants to participate in, they can. If you go to Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Instagram account, there's a link to send in what you think your senators should ask him during this job interview.

• 57:41Speaker 08

  And he gives you a couple, three, four suggested questions, or you can ask your own. But this is just how we would want to press him, what we would like this guy to have to answer to on the record and provide some explanation for. So things like, you know, what will you do to ensure public land stay in public hands or aren't sold or transferred? I would love for him to have to answer that question on the record. And hopefully we can get some commitments, some guarantees from him publicly that he won't pursue those things. Same thing goes for many other questions related to how, you know, the BLM will balance conservation with resource extraction. There's a lot of concerns there.

• 58:22Speaker 08

  So we probably can't stop it, but we might be able to frame the conversation around his role and his taking that role in such a way that it, you know, can maybe at least put some public pressure on him and keep him and keep things from going as badly as maybe they could. And hey, maybe he'll turn out great, maybe the things he said in the past, maybe he feels differently now. I hope so, but we should, we should definitely ask him to speak on that publicly and give us some assurances.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  Mark, really appreciate you taking the time. Folks can follow you to learn more about this and many other issues. And yeah, we'll keep our eyes on, on Mr. Pearce. And yeah, looking forward to seeing what you do in the new roles. Thanks for coming on.

• 59:07Speaker 08

  Appreciate it. Hey, Phil, good luck with that vasectomy. I had to have two of them.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:11Speaker 05

  That's right. Hope I have better luck than you, Mark. Thank you. I think, I think that'll make a difference. Your, your well wishes.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  Mark's batting 50% over there.

• 59:19Speaker 05

  Fingers crossed for a pal.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  Take care, Mark. We'll see ya.

• 59:22Speaker 04

  Thanks, Mark.

• 59:22Speaker 00

  Seems like an opportunity for a malpractice suit there.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  I don't think it's as rare as you'd like to think.

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• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  All right, guys. Again, we're geez, we're just running behind time, but that's because we're having so much fun. And our next segment is Meat Pole.

• 1:01:48Speaker 09

  You sure about that?

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  It's Meat Eater Radio Live.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  Oh, that's right. We're doing something brand new today. For the very first time, we've lied to one of the hosts in the studio about what we're doing. We're actually gonna play

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  to a segment called Meat Theater.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  Brody, I'm passing out scripts now. I don't know if you saw the last Meat Theater. I'll explain it just one second when I get Phil his script.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  Oh, thanks, Randall. Appreciate it.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  This is awesome. I heard rumors about this, but.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  Meat Theater is where we take outstanding, sorry, I'll begin again. Meat Theater is where we take outstanding hunting literature and feed it into artificial intelligence, asking the computer to generate a short dramatic script to be performed live by untrained actors. For today's performance, we're revisiting another classic Ernest Hemingway story, the 1952 novella, The Old Man and the Sea. Director's note, I had to ask the AI to revise its original script to include a speaking part for the fish, so we had three roles. Then I asked the AI to make the fish use a lot of profanity, but then I thought better of it and asked the AI to replace those swear words with some tamer 1950s alternatives, so that it would all be very realistic.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  I'm playing Santiago, the fisherman.

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  I really apologize to everyone for this.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  This is a fan favorite, Brody.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Corey, you're playing Madeline, who's a small boy, so I'd like you to speak in the highest voice you can. And Brody, you're playing the fish. Isn't that exciting? Lucky.

• 1:03:38Speaker 00

  Very exciting.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  Phil, take it away.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  I'll just bide my time until you get to me.

• 1:03:50Speaker 05

  The setting is Cuba, the 1950s. Santiago is an old fisherman. He has gone eighty-four days without catching a fish. Manalyn, a local boy, helps him prepare his fishing lines in the early dawn outside his small shack.

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  That's you, Cory.

• 1:04:10Speaker 10

  Eighty-four days, Santiago. My father says I must fish in another boat.

• 1:04:15Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:04:17Speaker 10

  But you are still the best fisherman. You taught me everything.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Your father is right. A boy should be with a lucky boat.

• 1:04:25Speaker 10

  Luck is a thing that comes in many forms. Tomorrow you will catch a fish. I can feel it.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  Perhaps. Tomorrow I will go far out, beyond all the others.

• 1:04:35Speaker 10

  I wish I could go with you.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  But you are with another boat now. But bring me sardines for bait in the morning, and we will speak of baseball.

• 1:04:45Speaker 10

  DiMaggio's streak continues.

• 1:04:47Speaker 03

  Of course, he is a great man. Even with the bone spur in his heel, he plays. Do you think we are that great, Manalyn?

• 1:04:54Speaker 10

  I think you are.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  How's that? It's great.

• 1:05:02Speaker 05

  The next morning, before dawn, Santiago went far out to sea, alone.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  I'm not religious, but I will say ten Our Fathers and ten Hail Marys if I can catch a fish. I promise.

• 1:05:17Speaker 05

  He feels a pull on the line.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  There, something. Not yet. Wait, wait.

• 1:05:22Speaker 05

  Suddenly, the line jerks.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  Ah, a big one!

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  Santiago struggles with the line, trying to pull in his catch.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  He will not come up. Too heavy, too strong. Come up, fish, please, come up.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Ha, ha, ha, I will not, you old Cuban cuss!

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  Then I will stay with you, brother, however long it takes.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  You are tied to me, old man, as I am tied to you. I pull you north and west, away from your home. Confound you for hooking me!

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Pull me wherever you wish. I will not let go.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  You stubborn son of a gun. You should just cut the line. I am stronger than you. Your hands bleed, old man. You cannot rest. Why in tarnation do you not cut this line?

• 1:06:09Speaker 11

  Because you are my brother. Because you are the greatest thing I have ever seen.

• 1:06:15Speaker 05

  The fish pulled the boat northwest for two days and two nights. Santiago held the line until his hands bled. He could not eat. He could not sleep. But he would not let go.

• 1:06:28Speaker 00

  You suffer, old man. I feel a line cutting into me. And I know you feel it cutting into you. We are both in pain. We are both in pain. Get zooks!

• 1:06:41Speaker 11

  Yes, but I was born for this. And you were born for this.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  Born for this, dag nab it? Why must you kill me? I have done nothing to you!

• 1:06:52Speaker 11

  You are killing me, fish. But you have the right to. Never have I seen anything greater, or more beautiful, or more calm than you, brother. I do not know if I am worthy to kill such a fish. But I will try. I will show you what a man can do and what a man endures.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  Kreitsch! Then show me, old man. Show me, gosh darn it! I will not. I will show you what a fish can do.

• 1:07:20Speaker 11

  Come up. I am an old man, but I am not defeated. Come up!

• 1:07:25Speaker 00

  Eighty double hockey sticks! I have pulled you far from land. I have fought well.

• 1:07:30Speaker 11

  You have fought better than any fish I have known.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  And you, old man, have fought better than any man I have ever known. Very well. I am coming up. Gee willikers. You have earned this.

• 1:07:46Speaker 05

  With one last pull, Santiago brings his catch to the surface.

• 1:07:52Speaker 11

  Eighteen feet, maybe more. A thousand pounds at least. There, it is done.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  It is done. We fought yel- well, you and I. Yegads.

• 1:08:04Speaker 11

  We fought very well, brother.

• 1:08:08Speaker 00

  Now I'm a- now I am tied to your damned boat. You are taking me home.

• 1:08:12Speaker 11

  Yes, the boy will see you. Everyone will see you. They will know what we did together.

• 1:08:20Speaker 00

  I hope they will, old man. I hope.

• 1:08:24Speaker 05

  Santiago had killed the fish, but it was too big to bring into the boat. He lashed it to the side and began the long journey home. But the sharks smelled the blood.

• 1:08:36Speaker 11

  No, no! Mako sharks!

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  They come for me, old man. They will destroy what we have done.

• 1:08:43Speaker 11

  Gall-danged sharks? No, I will fight them!

• 1:08:49Speaker 05

  Santiago strikes at the sharks with his oar.

• 1:08:52Speaker 11

  Take that, and that!

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  More are coming. Barnacles! You cannot stop them all.

• 1:09:00Speaker 11

  I will try, brother. I will try.

• 1:09:03Speaker 05

  More sharks came. Hope that's the wrong camera. More sharks came! Santiago fought them all, with harpoon, with knife, with club, with the tiller! But there were too many.

• 1:09:15Speaker 11

  Eat, you scavengers. I... I went out too far. I have ruined us both, fish.

• 1:09:22Speaker 00

  You did not ruin us.

• 1:09:24Speaker 11

  Cuz these sharks... We did what we were meant to do. You fought. I fought. That is enough. Is it enough? It is enough.

• 1:09:38Speaker 05

  By the time Santiago reached the harbor in the dark, the sharks had eaten everything. Only the skeleton remained, eighteen feet of bones bound to the boat. But the fish's voice had gone silent.

• 1:09:52Speaker 12

  Santiago?

• 1:09:54Speaker 11

  Ah, Manalyn, you are here.

• 1:09:56Speaker 12

  I-I saw the fish, the skeleton. How much did it weigh?

• 1:10:00Speaker 11

  I do not know. The sharks ate it. All of it.

• 1:10:05Speaker 12

  But everyone has seen it, fifteen feet from nose to tail. Some say eighteen. It is the greatest fish anyone has ever seen.

• 1:10:14Speaker 11

  But they ate it!

• 1:10:16Speaker 12

  You beat the fish. That is what matters. Tomorrow, I will fish with you again. My father can say what he wants. I will fish with you.

• 1:10:27Speaker 11

  You think so?

• 1:10:29Speaker 12

  I know so. Now rest. I will bring you food.

• 1:10:34Speaker 11

  Manolin?

• 1:10:35Speaker 12

  Yeah?

• 1:10:37Speaker 11

  I had a dream. I was dreaming about the lions.

• 1:10:41Speaker 12

  The lions on the beach in Africa?

• 1:10:44Speaker 11

  Yes, when I was your age, I saw them playing on the shore. Like cats. I dream about them still.

• 1:10:56Speaker 05

  The old man fell asleep. And he dreamed of lions on the white beaches of his youth. When the world was new. And all things were possible.

• 1:11:09Speaker 11

  The end. Audience goes nuts.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Fade to black.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Oh, man. I was so excited for that. I'd forgotten, we're still in this hazy twilight of the studio. I'd forgotten that I made Brody. I made, I made Brody a fish mask and I didn't give it to him. But it's probably for the best because I don't think you could have read your script.

• 1:11:34Speaker 00

  This doesn't look like a marlin.

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  I just Googled fish mask and printed the first thing I found. Well, that was a fun new segment called Meat Eater Fake Out slash Meat Theater. I had a great time with it. I hope the audience enjoyed it as well. Brody, you ever-

• 1:11:50Speaker 05

  Round of applause for Brody, I understand.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  Do you ever think you're gonna walk into the studio and have a, have the, the whole thing flipped on you and have to perform a play live on air?

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  That was more fun, I think.

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  It was a lot of fun. Boy.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  Can't wait to see your revenge.

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  Phil, what's the chat saying about our, our little production there?

• 1:12:05Speaker 05

  I haven't been able to look because I, it's mostly vasectomy talk. A lot of vasectomy talk. Seems like people are more interested in vasectomies than our meat theater segment. Let's see, this is a masterpiece.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  I, I wish that we had given Corey a dry run because I feel in the second, the third act- His voice was dialed, straight dialed.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, practice makes perfect.

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  Started off a little choppy, but by the end it was very convincing.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  Well, thank you.

• 1:12:31Speaker 05

  Uh, what did I just tune into?

• 1:12:33Speaker 04

  I was going for a Tommy Pickles.

• 1:12:34Speaker 05

  Uh, crap, I zoned out. What the heck's going on? These are most of the comments. Uh, thanks guys for, for staying on the line. You know, our viewer count is higher now than it was before we started the second.

• 1:12:44Speaker 04

  Oh, man, let's hope this show never dies.

• 1:12:46Speaker 05

  Someone call, someone call the suits upstairs.

• 1:12:48Speaker 03

  That's good. That's good stuff.

• 1:12:50Speaker 05

  Okay, we got some questions here. Do you, any of you guys keep bees? That's from Sean.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  No, I hate bees. I'll be honest. I react really poorly to bee stings. A friend of mine keeps bees. It seems like an incredibly, uh, time intensive hobby, or at least he talks about bees more than I'd like him to. Um, but I do enjoy the honey. The honey is very good and honey is expensive.

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  It is. We're actually, my youngest kid and I are seriously considering getting a hive this summer.

• 1:13:22Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:13:23Speaker 00

  Cause you can do like mail order stuff for that. You just order it, it shows up at your door.

• 1:13:27Speaker 04

  Hmm, ready to roll.

• 1:13:28Speaker 00

  Bingo bango. Steve has a buddy up in Alaska. I didn't even know this was a thing. Um, they just do a hive every summer and that's it. Then they do a new hive. Cause like I always thought you had to like deal with them over the winter, maybe send them somewhere warmer, whatever. But yeah, I want to give it a try.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's not really what you know, but who you know. I, my wife and I get a giant bucket of honey every year from some farmers, friends of ours, so.

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  Now that I think about it, at one point I was asked by a coworker. I, I had to drive from Spokane to Helena and, uh, I was asked to bring bees from one place to the other. And so a guy showed up and put a bunch of bees in my car with me.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  I had a Honda Pilot at the time.

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:14:16Speaker 03

  And I drove, I drove whatever.

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  Four and a half, five hours, just gripping the steering wheel.

• 1:14:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, that'd be unsettling.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was very unsettling. It seemed like a bad movie, but.

• 1:14:27Speaker 00

  I will say this, the whole like bear and honey thing is real.

• 1:14:33Speaker 00

  Back when, uh, Yannis and I were guiding fly fishing in Colorado, we had a private ranch that we would take out at now, now and then, and that rancher had bees. And he had to run, um, electric fence around the hives to keep the bears out because they would just go in there and tear it up.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  You know, I was hunting.

• 1:14:52Speaker 00

  So if you live in an area like that, consider that.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  I was hunting bears one spring outside of Missoula. And it was private down in the bottom on this Forest Service road that you drive past and they had a bunch of, a bunch of bee hives. And we drove past one time and there were like six skunks. In like, walking across the field towards the hives, like walking in between the hives. I'd never seen anything like it.

• 1:15:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:17Speaker 03

  But it was just six skunks all out in the middle of the daylight, just dialed in on those, on those beehives.

• 1:15:22Speaker 05

  Good point. Uh, this is from Car, Sarah Carlin, I would guess, currently listening to you guys while pike fishing in the dark on the Shannon River in Ireland. Thanks for keeping me company. Any pike fishing tips for me?

• 1:15:34Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 1:15:35Speaker 00

  Oh, dude.

• 1:15:36Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 1:15:37Speaker 00

  I don't know, like, pike fishing tips. You got any like live suckers? They really like those.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, be careful when you land one. Don't get slime all over your boat or your clothes and keep your fingers away from the teeth and gills.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  What is strange to me is like, at least in my experience here in the US of A, like n- night fishing for pike is like not a thing. Like, like they're just not known to like feed well at night.

• 1:16:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Speaker 00

  I mean, maybe we've got it all wrong.

• 1:16:10Speaker 03

  I always think of them as a very like visually oriented fish.

• 1:16:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  But they're always hunting.

• 1:16:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's super cool though.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  Sorry, no great tips for you.

• 1:16:19Speaker 05

  Where are we at with the venison hot dog recipe? It's from 2FS.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  Uh, we have, we have plans ongoing. Very promising lead. Uh, we're just, it's hoping to get the participation of a man who we believe to be the expert in this. So stay tuned. It's definitely happening. It's just a question of, uh, Steven Rinella's schedule.

• 1:16:43Speaker 00

  Is it, is the challenge there like learning how to like emulsify that stuff?

• 1:16:49Speaker 03

  That's, that, I mean, that's the key step, but the, the, the object is to make a hot dog that is tastes the same, has the same crunch. You know, the, the same, the same snappiness.

• 1:17:04Speaker 00

  Are we talking like, uh?

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  Frank.

• 1:17:06Speaker 00

  Like, uh, so not like an Oscar Mayer weiner where there's just like no skin on it. It's gonna have, is it gonna have like a?

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it'll have, it'll have a skin on it. It'll have a case, but, but like, you know, it's all about that. Hot dog enthusiasts call it a snap.

• 1:17:22Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  When you break that case. And so, uh, and then again, the emulsification is, is really, like, there's a lot of people that say they make venison hot dogs and then you get it and it's like,

• 1:17:32Speaker 00

  A brat.

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  A brat with a different spice mix. So we're working towards, uh, creating actual like gas station roller dogs out of venison. Yeah, it's exciting.

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Stay tuned.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  Uh, Matt asks, did I miss the punt gun content or has it not been made yet? We want the punt gun. Um, I don't want to speak for the video team, but look for punt gun stuff in a few months.

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, stay tuned.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  forthcoming.

• 1:17:54Speaker 04

  It'll be

• 1:17:55Speaker 05

  It is happening.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  A big release and you won't want to miss it.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  Uh, someone's asking for quail recipes or hunting tips. Scrub Life Danny got invited to hunt quail for the first time next Monday.

• 1:18:07Speaker 00

  Scrub life. Phew, um, tips like, I, I mean, it's such, such a general question. I mean, I don't know if these guys are hunting with dogs or. Um, yeah, go hunt where there's some quail would be my tip.

• 1:18:22Speaker 03

  And grill them. I mean, I always think about little birds like that grilling them whole.

• 1:18:26Speaker 00

  Keep the skin on, take the time to pluck them if they're not shot up.

• 1:18:32Speaker 00

  I would say like, if you got a group of people, you're gonna need two per, for wild quail, you're gonna need at least two per person.

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  Yep. Good luck. Keep us posted.

• 1:18:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, let's do one more here. This is from Chris Locke. He says he's elk hunting late season. He hears 200 to 300 elk bulls are fighting and bugling. Will Collin do anything or is it all about spot and stock intercepts? He's hoping hunting in open country with a muzzleloader.

• 1:18:59Speaker 00

  Um.

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  Here of 200.

• 1:19:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was kind of confused by that.

• 1:19:02Speaker 00

  Corey, that late season bugling, that ain't, that's just them talking to each other when they're in those giant herds. Like, you're not gonna lure a bull in by Collin.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, they're always fighting. They're always bugling. It's not just a rut thing. Collin might do you something, though. I mean,

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  squeak on a little lost calf call and see if a cow will come in. I don't know if you're hunting either sex. Uh, if you gotta get close.

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  Open country with a muzzy.

• 1:19:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, a lot of belly crawling, I'd imagine.

• 1:19:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, your best bet's spot and stock, though.

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  Phil, is that it?

• 1:19:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Are you sure?

• 1:19:40Speaker 05

  Unless you want to keep going, I mean, we're, we're, we're at, we're at time. I think, I think we've, we've given them a pretty good shot.

• 1:19:45Speaker 00

  We didn't get any reactions on our Academy Award winning efforts, Phil.

• 1:19:50Speaker 05

  Brody, you got called out specifically. People were not, I can find some for you. People were saying, I didn't know Brody had that heat in him. Bravo. Was not expecting that from Brody.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  In the biz, we call that chops.

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  Uh, John says, Bravo, I'm weeping. Brody really showed up.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:06Speaker 05

  Brody was a good sport. I told Randall before this, uh, for the D and D game, you, you brought, brought it then too.

• 1:20:13Speaker 00

  Listen, man, I'm.

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  Not expecting that.

• 1:20:15Speaker 00

  I'm game, Phil.

• 1:20:16Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 1:20:16Speaker 00

  I'm game for whatever. Plus, I just like felt for that fish, man, because he really got boned, you know?

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. I, I tried to do, uh, the most dangerous game. You remember that short story?

• 1:20:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:29Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 1:20:30Speaker 03

  Uh, but then I forgot that the guy, you know, there's the guy that hunts the people and then there's the, the guy that's gonna be hunted. And then there's a third guy. And he's only described as like a big imposing mute character.

• 1:20:44Speaker 00

  Is he like an enforcer or something?

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I didn't think it would be fair. He's like, he makes some, the guy, one guy makes some comments like he has his own methods.

• 1:20:53Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:20:53Speaker 03

  But he's silent the whole time. So it just didn't turn out well. So I thought just adding the fish to this would work out the best. That's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get away, we'll get away from Hemingway at some point, but he's really got a rich library. So, uh, as always, we appreciate you. We love you. Thanks for tuning in. Corey Brody. Appreciate you guys. Phil, you killed it again today. As always, we'll see you here next Thursday, Media to Radio Live, signing off. Good night.

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