My Secret Self - Snap Classic

Andy Marra is on a mission to Korea in search of the mother she never knew with a secret she absolutely has to tell. And when two close friends can’t see each other face-to-face, they exchange letters from two very different places. The Birth Dream Andy Marra is on a mission to Korea in search of the mother she never knew with a secret she absolutely has to tell. Thank you, Andy, for sharing your story with Snap! Find out more about her advocacy work here https://transgenderlegal.org/about-tldef/staff/andy-marra/. Produced by Regina Bediako, original score by Renzo Gorrio, artwork by Teo Ducot. Letters from Uncuffed It’s been almost a year since friends and family have been able to visit their loved ones in prison, due to the pandemic. Letters to the inside are always a lifeline. This year, more than ever. Today, from Uncuffed http://weareuncuffed.com/, we hear from Adamu Chan, who was recently released from San Quentin State Prison, while his friend Edmond Richardson, is still on the inside. Uncuffed https://www.weareuncuffed.org/ is a storytelling project made by people behind bars, from inside California prisons, in collaboration with KALW https://www.kalw.org/. To hear the full version of this story, visit Uncuffed https://www.weareuncuffed.org/blank/episode/3ec02007/special-letters-from-the-outside-almost-one-year-into-the-pandemic and make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts! Produced by Adamu Chan, Ninna Gaensler-Debs, Angela Johnston, Pat Mesiti-Miller & Eli Wirtschafter. Snap Classic – Season 16 – Episode 4 Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices https://dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:18Glynn Washington?

  Okay, so, Sunday morning, I'm minding my own business, walking down the street, passed by a group of fellas, one of them's like, "Good job!" Starts doing them a little clap. Uh, okay.

• 0:34Glynn Washington?

  Another one says, "One step at a time, that's the only way to be it." Huh? "Never give up, today's the first day of the rest of your life."

• 0:46Glynn Washington?

  What?

• 0:48Glynn Washington?

  Now, I don't know what it is about my appearance, the sweats, the huffing and puffing. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Maybe I put on a few pandemic pounds, don't hate, but for some reason, they see me as someone new to exercise.

• 1:07Glynn Washington?

  Like I'm beginning a, a brand new life, turning over a new leaf or something. And instead of laughing and calling me names, they're gonna cheer me on my new path. "Fruits and vegetables, that's the only way." "Drink you some water." Cause whatever it is they're seeing, it can't be possibly further away from my own truth, cause not only do I look good to me,

• 1:33Glynn Washington?

  I'm not exercising. In fact, I'm headed toward the donut shop.

• 1:40Glynn Washington?

  You see, no one knows our truth. No one understands our inner lives. So today on Snap Judgment, we proudly present, my secret self. I'm gonna pull back the curtain just a little bit. My name is from Washington and I refuse to be defined by random people in the park when you're listening to Snap Judgment.

• 2:26Glynn Washington?

  Now, the world sees you one way, you see yourself another. We begin our search for the truest self in 2010, when Andy Marra has just been offered the chance of a lifetime. She's going to Korea. Andy, take it away.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  I was working at a progressive Korean community organization here in New York. And one of our programs offered trips back to Korea. And I jumped on the opportunity to go. Before leaving, I wanted to learn a little Korean. The alphabet, numbers.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  And political terms. Reunification. Liberation. But secretly, I wanted to learn Korean to be able to not just introduce myself or have the basics in place, but so that I could be able to say hello to my mother or father if I had the rare chance of finding them.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  I grew up reading through my adoption files. All throughout my childhood, I had access to these documents. I often remember waking up in the middle of the night and

• 4:33Speaker 01

  thinking that halfway around the world, somewhere in Korea, my family was going about their day. To be clear, I didn't really have a plan to find my family. But I often wondered if there was some sort of unseen connection or bond that still tied us together.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  I was very eager to get off the plane. I was very jet lagged. My legs were killing me. And I remember going through customs and collecting my suitcase and being immediately struck by

• 5:34Speaker 01

  the sounds in the airport. Everyone was going about their business, heading to their gates, heading to baggage claim. And all of it was in Korean. I also realized that

• 5:51Speaker 01

  mostly everyone looked like me. It was

• 5:59Speaker 01

  a jarring experience, even for someone like myself who lives in New York City and there is a prominent and visible Korean-American community. I was just struck that I blended in and that I wasn't the other.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  After my trip, my formal work trip had ended. I had scheduled an appointment in advance to visit the agency. I knew that I needed my parents' birth dates in order for me to search for them. From what I learned from my friends, it could potentially be an uphill battle to even look at your file. I asked a Korean person who lived in Seoul to serve as my interpreter during the visit.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  I wanted to know everything that was written in my file. Walking into their offices, I saw these women come in and out of the building with babies. And my heart stopped. And I remember just my emotions being a big ball, a big, tight ball in my chest.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  I was led into this small, white room with no windows and bright fluorescent lights and a metal table with chairs on each side for folks to sit in and a box of tissues on the side of the table. When my file was shared with me, there was some information that was blanked over by Post-it notes because it contained sensitive information about my parents. So their social security numbers, for instance.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  I learned that I had an older sister that I never knew of. I grew up, for some reason, believing that I was the only child or that I may have been the oldest child, which led to me being put up for adoption. And I just, I never fathomed having another sibling alive. My head was just spinning.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Through my interpreter, I asked for my parents' birth dates. And the social worker asked me why.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  And I said, "Sa ju." Fortune telling, or divination. And in order for you to receive your fortune, you need birth dates. You need your own birth dates, but you also need your parents' birth dates as well, too. The woman for a minute studied me.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  And she said, "Okay, makes sense. Let me just run this by my superiors."

• 9:36Speaker 01

  The woman left the office. And that's when I pulled out my phone and started taking pictures of my file.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  And I didn't understand what I was taking pictures of, but I knew that this was information that might help me in my search for my family. And so I left that adoption agency with my parents' birth dates and photos of information about my parents.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  I was scared. It makes you question what's real.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  I was the closest I had ever been to being able to find my family. And to be in such a position

• 10:31Speaker 01

  after years of wondering, questions, and doubts, and fears.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  It wasn't calculated. But after the trip to the adoption agency, I asked my friends if they would take a subway trip to part of Seoul where my family had lived at some point, so that I could visit a police station in that area and initiate a search. And they said yes. We made a pit stop to our hotel, and I proceeded to change, put away my skirt, put away my earrings and my necklaces,

• 11:31Speaker 01

  not wear makeup, and pull back my hair into a ponytail. And in that moment, I remember feeling an immediate sense of shame for hiding a big part of who I am. But as someone with an intersectional life, I wanted the opportunity, I desperately wanted the opportunity to be able to say hello to my family before potentially being turned away because of my gender identity.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  One of the first thoughts I had in coming out as trans was how it might impact my ability to search for my family. I was aware of the climate in Korea. Many folks think of trans people as being, sorry, identities being a disability or, in some instances, being a sin.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  I delayed my medical transition. That meant a delay in being able to take hormones as well as transition-related surgery. I'm not sure if it was the right or wrong decision or choice, but it was one that I thought was... Yeah, I thought that was important for my family.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  I left our hotel looking very different than I normally presented. We headed to the police station. We arrived and I remember sitting in this booth with a police officer on the other side of me. And with my friends interpreting, I asked to initiate a search. And they said, "Here's a piece of paper, a form to complete. The search is going to take a month." Time was not on my side. I remember blurting out, "Is there any chance the search could be expedited? I leave for the States tomorrow."

• 14:02Speaker 01

  And the police officer said, "No, this is the process. Here's the form. Give us your phone number and we'll call you. Have a nice day."

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Before the police officer got up to leave from her side of the booth, I said, "No. I'm a Korean adoptee. I've waited 25 years to look for my family. I know this is an inconvenience, but I need your help. I need your help now."

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Something just changed. All of the officers, including the woman who was helping me, looked at me very differently. And they ran a search in their national database.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  In that booth, I learned that my father had passed away in 1994.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  I was in fourth or third grade when my father had died. And I had lived all of those years thinking that he was alive, that I would have the chance to meet him.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  And he was gone.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  And so I had to grieve for my father

• 15:15Speaker 01

  that I had never met or never knew and never would know

• 15:20Speaker 01

  at this police station in a matter of minutes.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  The police officer came back to the booth and said, "There are two women

• 15:33Speaker 01

  with the name that you gave me and with the same birth date.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Two women in the entire country.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  One of them lives in the southernmost tip of the country. The other woman lives less than an hour away."

• 15:55Speaker 01

  And I just immediately knew in my heart that was my mother.

• 16:26Glynn Washington?

  Don't go anywhere, Snappers. When we return, Andy finds out whether her intuition is right.

• 16:34Glynn Washington?

  Stay tuned.

• 16:43Speaker 02

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• 16:50Speaker 03

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• 16:55Speaker 02

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• 16:59Speaker 02

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• 17:06Speaker 03

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• 17:08Speaker 02

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• 17:12Speaker 03

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• 17:21Glynn Washington?

  Welcome back to Snap Judgment, the My Secret Self episode. When last we left, Andy, she'd just convinced the Korean police to run a national search for the mother she never knew. And that search has just revealed two potential matches. Snap Judgment.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  And less than an hour later, the police officer approached us in the waiting area and said, "We found your mother. And she will be on her way to the police station in an hour." Relief, fear, anxiety, excitement. I was relieved that I was able to find my family. I was fearful of somehow messing up my first meeting with my mother.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  The police officers led us up to their cafeteria where we had dinner. And shortly thereafter, we went to grab a few bags of snacks and drinks just in case my mom wanted to sit down and talk. We didn't know what to expect. My friends, who had a Korean cellphone with her, got the call from my mother that they had arrived.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  We were led down to the front entrance of the police station that overlooked the parking lot. Just pacing back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Nervous, trying to remember the broken Korean that I had learned.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Trying to look presentable, even though I felt very naked and not me in the moment. The car drove into the parking lot and I saw two people from a distance get out of the car and approach the police station. I saw an older woman, wearing a very nice looking black dress and heels,

• 19:46Speaker 01

  and a younger woman.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  The two of them approached the front entrance of the police station. I remember my mom walking up the stairs to the landing.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  And she looked so nervous. And my friends just weren't saying a word. They were frozen in silence.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  And all I remember doing was robotically bowing

• 20:20Speaker 01

  as my introduction and saying to my mother, 안녕하세요. Hello. 제 이름은 My name is Andy. Andy Marra 입니다. I am so sorry. 한국말 잘 못해요. I can't speak Korean. 죄송해요.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  And I didn't look up. I was stuck midway in the bow. These just hot tears flooded my face and dropped on to the ground. My mom grabbed my hand and I looked up. And she just let out this profound wail. Like this visceral, guttural wail.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  She hugged me. She embraced me and wouldn't let me go. And I later learned what she said.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  My baby has come home.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  We proceeded to go back to my hotel room.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  My friends stalled for time with my mom and my older sister in the hotel lobby, just so that I could go up to my room, clean it, and make sure that there were no, there was no evidence of, of me being a woman for them to see. When we brought them up to my room, we were sitting in this living room-like area, eating oranges and talking. My friends were interpreting. And I remember thrusting the document

• 22:14Speaker 01

  from the adoption agency and saying, "Look, I know about our family." Both of them looked at the document. My mother's face just darkened. And she said, "None of this is true.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  I did not relinquish you. This was a decision by your father.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  And I was not consulted.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  I didn't sign any paperwork to send you away.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  You were always wanted."

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Felt like my heart had just cracked open

• 23:05Speaker 01

  and that I could finally breathe. I was never forgotten after all those years.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  And so I called the travel agency that I had booked my trip with, and I was able to extend my, my trip for two more weeks. And my mom said, "You need to come and stay with us."

• 23:29Speaker 01

  She lived in a modest, two-bedroom home. And it was a basement apartment. She presented me with breakfast. A table full of banchan, bulgogi, japchae. And she also brought out this bowl of myeokguk, seaweed soup. Myeokguk is often served to women who have just given birth because it contains a lot of nutrients and minerals. But it's also a dish that's served every birthday as a reminder of the significance behind it

• 24:15Speaker 01

  between a mother and a child. She very timidly offered this to me. You know, I know that we've never been able to celebrate

• 24:26Speaker 01

  your birthday, but I wanted to make it for you just given how important

• 24:34Speaker 01

  this moment is. I remember the smell of a little bit of soybean paste, a little bit of the seaweed, so the salty tang of the ocean. And thinking,

• 24:52Speaker 01

  wow, I'm gonna eat my first meal that my mom has ever cooked for me. And found myself

• 25:00Speaker 01

  crying

• 25:03Speaker 01

  and also stuffing my face full of food.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  In the two weeks that I was with my mom, she would

• 25:16Speaker 01

  on cue, make me breakfast. This big breakfast every morning, sitting at the table for me. And when we would travel, she would hold my hand. There were a couple of instances where I tried to pay for meals when we would eat out. My mom would

• 25:37Speaker 01

  tackle me with the strength of a football player and make sure that she always paid.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  I still had my hair pulled back. I still was wearing jeans and short-sleeved t-shirts. My luggage was still back at my hotel that had all of my clothes and accessories and makeup. And it was almost as if my transness, my true self, was left back at the hotel in Seoul. There were a couple of instances where I thought I would come out,

• 26:33Speaker 01

  but I always battered it away. My mom in Korea is also very active in her church. And so I was still fearful of the prospect of coming out. I didn't want to ruin this magical moment.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  My mother came over to my sister's apartment, where I was spending the day. And she joined me, my older sister, as well as a friend who was volunteering to interpret that day. She sat me down and she said, "I have a question for you, and I'm not sure how to ask it, but I want to ask you." And I said, "Sure, you know, that's why I'm here. Let's get to know each other." And she said,

• 27:41Speaker 01

  "Is there something that you're not telling me?"

• 27:47Speaker 01

  And I said, "We've only reunited for two weeks, and I'm sure there's plenty of details about my life and your life that will come out as time progresses." She said, "No, no, no, no. It seems that you are concealing something about yourself from me." "What is it?"

• 28:11Speaker 01

  And I looked over at my friend, and I said, "I just, there's no way that my mom is talking about the thing that we both know to be true about me, but she doesn't know. Or does she?" My mom was watching us have this conversation in English, and she finally said, "Look, maybe I can give you a clue." She says, "Please don't get offended, but I think it has something to do with how you look. You are very pretty."

• 28:55Speaker 01

  I started to sweat.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Somehow, my mom had figured something out, and I had no idea what gave me away. "You know, there are a lot of things about me that you don't know. Would you still love me anyway?" She said, "What do you mean?" And I said, "Well, let's say, for instance, like, you found out that I murdered someone. Would you still love me?" And perhaps that wasn't the best example to give, but I was completely caught off guard, and I had to find something that would let me gauge my mother's potential reaction. I'm just, I'm just saying, as an example,

• 29:44Speaker 01

  would you still love me if, would you still love me regardless? And my mother said to me, "Of course."

• 29:54Speaker 01

  I looked at my friend and I said, "I have no choice."

• 30:00Speaker 01

  And she asked me, "Okay, how do you want me to translate this?" And I said, "No." I looked to my mother and I said,

• 30:12Speaker 01

  "엄마, 저는 남자 아닙니다." "I'm not a boy." "저는" "I'm a girl." "여자입니다." "저는" "I'm trans." "트랜지젠더입니다."

• 30:28Speaker 01

  And almost immediately after the words came out of my mouth, I just, my body went limp. And I couldn't look at my mother. My face got so hot and red. I just started to cry profusely.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  I was just so scared, thinking that,

• 30:49Speaker 01

  "Well, at least I had a couple of weeks with my mother and my family, but it's time to pack up and leave." Very gently, she reached over and she held my hand. She looked at me and said, "Mommy knew."

• 31:10Speaker 01

  There was no disgust or disdain or anger. She was very calm. And as I was wiping away the tears on my face, I just sputtered out, "How did you know?" And she responded, "Birth dream."

• 31:30Speaker 01

  So many Korean women reportedly have these dreams as they are pregnant. Dreams that reveal the gender of their children. My mother followed up by saying, "I had birth dreams for your older sister, your younger brother, and your youngest sister, but I never had a birth dream for you. Your gender was always a mystery to me. And now I know why."

• 32:03Speaker 01

  And as my friend was just translating this, I was just sitting there dumbstruck.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  My mom said to me, "I thought I had a son,

• 32:17Speaker 01

  but I have a daughter instead.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  And that's okay. You're precious. And I love you."

• 32:34Speaker 01

  I felt liberated. Anything was possible. I didn't have anything to hide from my mother or the rest of my family. I could just simply be me. When we would go out to eat at restaurants, she would often talk to the servers who she knew.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  And there was one instance when my friend that was also still with me

• 33:09Speaker 01

  nudged me and said, "Your mom is talking about you to the server." And I said, "Oh, yeah? About what?" And she said, "She's introducing you as her daughter."

• 33:45Glynn Washington?

  Thank you, thank you, thank you, Andy Marra for sharing your story with us. Andy still lives in New York, where she's the executive director of the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund. And Andy and her family in Korea, they are tighter than ever. To find out more about her work, check out our website, snapjudgment.org. The original score for that story was by Renzo Goryeo. It was produced by Regina Berriaco.

• 34:22Glynn Washington?

  When we return, an intimate look at a correspondence behind bars. Stay tuned.

• 34:50Glynn Washington?

  Welcome back to Snap Judgment, the My Secret Self episode. My name is Glynn Washington, and next, we're going to spotlight an incredible podcast from KALW. It's called Uncuffed. It's a show made by people behind bars in California prisons who share intimate stories of struggles and triumphs, heartache and forgiveness. For about a year, friends and family haven't been able to visit their loved ones in prison due to the pandemic. But letters to the inside, they are always a lifeline, especially during a lockdown. And today from Uncuffed, we're going to hear from Adamu Chan, who was recently released from San Quentin, while his friend Edmond is still on the inside. Snap Judgment.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  Every day when they do mail call, like, you know, you're hoping that you get some kind of word from the outside, some affirmation, you know, some good news, anything.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  I got a letter from my man Edmund. CSP San Quentin, San Quentin, California, 94964. Yeah, that's familiar. I remember that address in my head. I've known Edmund for over two years now, a little over two years now. I met Edmund in San Quentin in the Shakespeare program. We were both aspiring actors, but I think how we became close was through filmmaking and through the first watch program at San Quentin, and we began spending like every day with each other.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  He's actually my best friend and uh it's really exciting to get a letter from him on the day before his birthday. Go ahead and open this up.

• 36:56Speaker 04

  Alright, here it goes. Uh, Adamu.

• 36:58Speaker 05

  Adamu, I hope this letter finds you.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  I hope this letter finds you surrounded by your loved ones and with a deeper appreciation for your freedom. How are you doing? What's adjustment to the streets been like for you? Man, when I got the news that you would be going home, a flood of emotions overcame me. I was excited, anxious, and sad. The bittersweetness of the moment, realizing that the man whose soul I fell in love with over the last couple of years would no longer be near me. It's hard to take on the weight of the world alone, but with you, everything was bearable. I'm truly happy you're home where you belong.

• 37:38Speaker 04

  As for myself, I'm doing good. I mean, every day that I wake up is a blessing, you know? I have no complaints. Okay, that's a lie. It's been nine months and some change, and I still can't stand this modified program and 23-hour lockdown. Then to add insult to injury after quote-unquote recovering from COVID-19, I have not been the same. I'm what you call a long-hauler, still suffering from the after-effects of the virus. Around three months ago, I started to have heart palpitations, pressure on my lungs, and my short-term memory was gone.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  No, is gone. The one thing that I hate the most is that I can't sleep. Anyway, the doctor diagnosed me with mild depression, prescribed me three milligrams of melatonin, and referred me to mental health. I still can't sleep. I know you suggested I see a therapist a long time ago and honestly, I should have taken your advice.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  It's been a minute since I heard your voice, so when we talk now over the phone, it's awkward. Awkward because my body, my senses are searching for you, but you're not there. I think starting this friendship without using technology to communicate forces us to connect on a deeper level. I miss the sound of your laugh. I miss how you would get mad at me for stepping on your shoes because I was always randomly trying to hug you. I miss seeing you in the morning. I remember you made some sushi and put too much wasabi, and I bit into it and almost died. Let me be clear, spicy is not the same as lighter fluid being lit in your nostrils, lol.

• 39:24Speaker 04

  I have memories like this one that are a constant reminder of how much I value our relationship, and more than anything, how much I miss you. I love you, your best friend, Edmond.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  Alright, so I'm gonna respond to Edmund. It's his birthday. And I think this letter took about two and a half hours to type. I don't have great handwriting like he does, but I think going through the process of actually writing the letter was really difficult, because I know how much a birthday means and I know that it's a celebration that should be shared with family and loved ones. And, you know, I hope that Edmund was able to celebrate in the right way, and so I wanted to express that in this letter.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  Edmund, I hope you're doing as well as possible despite the circumstances. It's your birthday today, and I'm thinking about you intensely, wondering how you're feeling, what you're eating, who you're with, and if you're laughing, a deep joyful laugh that comes from deep down in a place untouched by the prison. Maybe I'm an idealist, but it feels like a radical act to celebrate your birthday in prison, to reclaim that part of yourself that is beyond any conception of a cage made for a human being.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  My hope is that today your joy doesn't feel contained by the walls that surround you or the judgments of those who don't know you because they've been taught not to see you. But I know that's a tall task. I was there, and I know that the most difficult thing to overcome is this realization that the prison has gotten inside of us, that it has built walls between parts of ourselves, imprisoned our most precious gifts, and obstructed the vision of our true purpose. It is something that I struggle with out here in the quote-unquote "free world", where I see shadows of the prison everywhere in this new Bay Area that I've entered. The Bay Area, and I'm sure this is true of all urban spaces across the US,

• 42:02Speaker 04

  is a place where every home, every business, has a Black Lives Matter sign, but I don't see many black people in the Bay Area anymore.

• 42:11Speaker 04

  And this leads me to thinking about how this place called the Bay Area is police, who's allowed to be here and who's not, and then from that, what I'm doing here, how I'm policing my own self to fit into some norm that makes my presence here acceptable and not a threat. And when we cut off part of ourselves to better fit into the spaces designed to contain us, we move farther away from ourselves, become less of ourselves, and ultimately become part of the prison itself. Sorry, did that get a little too abstract? I think I just wanted to make the point that the relationship that we built, our friendship, has been key to disrupting all of this. It is where I'm able to be my truest self, where I learned the practice of accountability and care in relationships,

• 42:56Speaker 04

  where together we played a part in creating a vibrant arts and academic community on the inside. But most importantly, our relationship allowed me to see beyond the walls that blocked our view of the ocean and horizon, to see myself outside.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  I love you, brother.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  You don't even know. Thank you for sharing all of your precious stories with me.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Even though...

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Even though I know you only gain the power of storytelling through suffering,

• 43:36Speaker 04

  I'm happy that you're finding ways to care for yourself in spite of such dire circumstances and in the absence of much direct support. Know that you are always here with me and I am always there and I will do everything in my power to see you are home sooner than you think.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  Happy Born Day, Edmund. I love you. Adamu.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  So...

• 44:24Speaker 04

  About to drop this letter off to Edmund.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  Had to drive a couple blocks to go find a mailbox. But I think it's something to be said about the lengths that folks go to keep these relationships alive. You know, we can't just pick up a phone and call them or send them a text message or send them an email. You know, it's really important for me to know that Edmund knows that he's supported out here and that these words reach him. So I'm hoping that this letter finds its way to him soon. About to drop it in here. I put some pictures in there and also some stamps so he can write me back or write whoever he wants to. So yeah, hopefully this letter gets to him.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  Hopefully it gets to him quick.

• 45:25Speaker 04

  The prison isn't just the physical walls that

• 45:30Speaker 04

  keep folks from their communities. It's also like this ideology that like people are separated, that these people over here are bad and these people over here are something else, right? And so part of that is, yeah, my responsibility to folks that are still inside and for them to know that they're still part of this community. We're still a part of a greater community. I try to overcome like these artificial boundaries that seem like they exist.

• 46:20Glynn Washington?

  Thank you to the whole team over at Uncuffed and a big thanks to Adamu Chan and Edin Richardson for reading their letters. This piece from Uncuffed was produced by Adamu Chan, Nimah Gonzalez, Angela Johnston, Pat Massey Miller, and Eli Wirtschafter.

• 46:41Glynn Washington?

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