Real Talk: Why Most Adults Will NEVER Change & How to Be the 2% Who Do | Tom Bilyeu

In this live, wide-ranging conversation, Tom is joined by co-host Drew and participant Mason for a candid exploration of today’s hottest topics—from personal health habits and the “Big Water” narrative, to evolving views on gender, value, and raising resilient kids. The conversation dives into why men and women are measured by different standards in society, the mental health crisis among young men, and the powerful impact of early-life discipline. Tom also shares his perspective on economic innovation, inflation, and the potential pitfalls of government control over currency—highlighting recent headlines from around the world. Plus, get ready for unfiltered thoughts on political strategy, the challenges of representation, and the future of America’s electoral landscape. Whether you’re into building better habits, understanding how societal rules can affect personal growth, or questioning the forces shaping our modern world, this episode is packed with insightful discussion and plenty of laughs. Get ready to challenge your worldview and walk away with actionable ideas to take control of your own impact! 00:00 Intro 01:30 Tylenol + Autism 04:17 Hydrate Naturally Through Real Food 09:08 "Understanding Intellectual Differences" 11:06 "Building Value: A Balanced Viewpoint" 15:02 "Sexual Motivation as Self-Improvement" 18:34 Rapid Emotional Shift Factors 19:26 Embracing Anime in Adulthood 24:55 Rising Costs & Financial Challenges 28:03 "Revitalize Competition: Embrace Challenges" 29:53 Political Strategy: Kamala's Electability Insight 34:21 Balancing Political Ticket Demographics 39:05 Caution: Government's Power Monopoly 39:56 Self-Reliance Over Government Aid 42:40 "ITU Masterclass Coming Up" Free AI Masterclass: Build a 5-member AI team with ChatGPT so you can start your business in 3 days. Register here: https://tombilyeu.com/leverage-ai-oct-2 SleepMe: Visit https://sleep.me/impact to get your Chilipad and save 20% with code IMPACT. Try it risk-free with their 30-night sleep trial and free shipping. Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Hims: Start your free online visit today at https://hims.com/IMPACT. Linkedin: Post your job free at https://linkedin.com/impacttheory Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact Tailor Brands: 35% off https://tailorbrands.com/podcast35 Found Banking: Try Found for FREE at https://found.com/impact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:14Speaker 01

  Yo.

• 1:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Drew, welcome to the party. It's wonderful to have you.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Hey, happy Wednesday.

• 1:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Happy Wednesday, right back to you. I'm sad that I'm going to be traveling. We don't yet know if we're going to be here on Friday. We will tell you later, boys and girls, but I'm going to be out, out and away.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  When I was growing up, usually when a doctor says, hey, guys, we think this thing is bad for you. Maybe you should stop it a little bit. We'll be like, okay, give me two seconds. Let me do my own independent research. Let me see. But the amounts of videos and TikToks of pregnant women just facing Tylenol.

• 1:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Gut instinct, gut instinct. My gut instinct, Drew, is that what we're going to find over time is that exogenous substances, meaning something isolated out in the world that we have changed in some way. And now we are taking to our bodies, either just because we breathe that stuff in the air or because it's a food item, whatever, that we are going to see that all of them are just a little bit of damage. And then they just stack and stack and stack and stack and stack. And we just are taking way too many little death of a thousand cuts into our lives through all of these modern compounds, which are amazing. And I'm glad that we have Tylenol when I have a headache or something like that. But I'm not just reaching to it every time I have a headache.

• 2:33Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm thinking, is this one that's going to go away? Can I give it four or five hours and see if it resolves naturally?

• 2:40Tom Bilyeu?

  If you take that stance of like, okay, I'm glad these tools exist, but I'm going to use them only if I really need them. You're going to be in much better shape. Obviously gut instinct.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, aren't like 50% of headaches just dehydration? If you drink a bunch of water and like relax, it goes away.

• 2:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Listen, I have beef with the whole water narrative, but it's possible.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Beef with the water? With the water narrative?

• 3:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Everybody lean in. Timestamp this one. Bookmark it. Bring this one back. I'm telling you right now.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Think from first principles. You're telling me water, fresh water, non stagnant fresh water. That is not present in a lot of places that somehow we have evolved to need whatever three gallons or whatever it is, that's not the right answer, obviously. But the absurd amount that people tell you to take, that we would evolve to need it like that? Get out. I have forever been like, no, no, no, there's something so sus about that recommendation. Now, again, I'm not saying dehydrate yourself. I'm just saying from an evolutionary first principles perspective, clean water was not just like laying around everywhere.

• 3:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Animals would have to risk their lives because remember we are not just human. We came up through millions of years of evolution where one of the most dangerous things you would have done is gone to the watering hole. And so it's like, nah, that one, someone, they're going to have to explain something. And of course now I, I am just now starting to see this could all be conspiracy. I do not have a clean take. All I have is suspicion for you. So please. Please recognize where I'm at on my have researched this journey. But people are now starting to come out saying, yeah, you can create. Well, I don't know if it's electrolytes, but you create a mineral imbalance because you were just constantly flushing the system, flushing the system, flushing the system. There, there's no way we were meant to live in a perpetual need to pee.

• 4:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't buy it. No way. Hard pass. Like it's just there, there's something there. So I drink a normal amount of water. You see me drinking water right now. I drink.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  What's a normal amount of water?

• 4:53Tom Bilyeu?

  If you're thirsty, drink water.

• 4:57Tom Bilyeu?

  If you're not thirsty, don't drink water. Like I love my COO and don't even tell him I said this. But that fool drinks water like he's got a gun to his head. I'm like, what are you doing? So anyway, we'll see.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Canada said they bribed so many politicians. Damn those water people.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Big, big water, yo. Big waters.

• 5:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's the thing. It doesn't even have to be big water. It just has to be enough like. People that look good in yoga pants say you need to drink more water and people are like, aight. Nope.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Okay. Life with the cool dog crew. If we eat real food, we are far more hydrated, which I agree with that too. Cause when I am eating healthier, when I am not eating fried wings and fried fries and. You know what I mean? Like sugar and stuff like that. I do get thirstier. And when I am on a cleaner diet, I'm eating my salads and stuff like that. You do naturally hydrate. So while I agree, I don't think everybody needs the water jug that they need to carry around excessively. I do feel like we should be getting water. Nutrient, we should be getting that water and nutrients from what we eat versus having to supplement that.

• 5:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Facts.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Listen, even to my game developers out there, if in your game you have thirst and hunger and I eat something other than a cracker. And I don't get some water content, fuck you. That's not real. You're gonna get the vast majority of the water in your day from the food that you eat unless you're eating Cocoa Puffs. So yeah, uh, people be acting crazy. Do you know how much water's in meat?

• 6:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  I did not know this was your hill to die on. This is so fun.

• 6:29Tom Bilyeu?

  This is not, this is not my hill to die on, but I have, I have thoughts.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  We really need to get those tinfoil hats.

• 6:35Tom Bilyeu?

  But this, this is not the hill to die on.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  From Jedward, what, at what point, if any, does reasonable foreknowledge create an obligation for one to curtail their own free speech? Yelling fire in a crowd is free speech, yet it is reasonable to see a panic may follow. Is that more than offensive?

• 6:54Tom Bilyeu?

  So again, and maybe we should get a quick like cheat sheet about the things that the Supreme Court has already ruled. Those are the only, I'm not looking for anything additional. So I'm perfectly happy to abide by all the things that the Supreme Court has already ruled on, largely because I live in that world and I see what it looks like. So not because I could recite them verbatim. But that's it. I think people should be able to say offensive things, evil things, gross things, horrible things, ugly things. Yep, all of it. Don't incite violence.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  And one more from, it's all weird. Where do you both feel personal space? YouTube would not let me say what I wanted. I put it on Discord general chat.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Where do you, he put in, I'm reading on Discord now.

• 7:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Where do we feel personal space?

• 7:38Speaker 01

  I guess what do you feel about personal space? Kids donkey kicking my front door. Do I get to preemptively protect myself? Or I just hope that they are not here to rape my daughter and kill us? Extreme, I know. If I'm projecting onto you, it's all weird. Am I saying like, if somebody comes to my house?

• 7:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Electrify the front door or things like that. There's laws on this stuff already. So if people are terrorizing you, you should absolutely be able to report them. You should be able to get a restraining order against them. So there are already legal mechanisms to protect you from that kind of thing. I know it's a super big pain in the ass. My mom got into a real war with her neighbor and that, that is a level of stress and suffering that is not fun in the slightest. Cops are called. There's all kinds of gaps in the law where they can get away with stuff that they'll be like, this is a civil dispute. We can't help you. And yet it is absolutely miserable, including property damage, all that stuff. So I wanted to sue the guy into oblivion, but my mom didn't want me to do it, so I

• 8:37Tom Bilyeu?

  didn't. But, ooh buddy, I was irate. So anyway, yeah, that kind of stuff sucks, but there are mechanisms to deal with it.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Um, alright, uh, I love this female value versus male value one you dropped in. Um, I wasn't expecting it, so I like watched it this morning and I was like, oh, this is actually really true and I'm curious on chat's opinion on it. So let's jump into this one.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Has choices. At eighteen, you have nothing.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  I hate Instagram.

• 9:10Speaker 03

  She has choices.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Girls at eighteen have choices.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  You have nothing. At twenty-five, she looks for love. At twenty-five, you're chasing goals. At thirty, she slows down. At thirty, you're just getting started. Dear son, a woman's life starts at eighteen. A man's life starts at thirty. A woman is born with value. A man is born with no value. She has to protect her value. You have to build your value.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  I didn't make the rules. Nature did.

• 9:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Facts. There it is. That's just well said. So this comes back to you're having a biological experience. And so, understanding, uh, the way things are, I think will help people get a lot more clear. Now, that doesn't mean that a woman can't live an entrepreneurial life. By all means, do your thing. Uh, but life will be very confusing to you if you do not understand that women are prized for their beauty. They are prized for their ability to reproduce. Uh, and so it's going to be a very different thing. First of all, they're going to be wired differently intellectually. There's more overlap than there is separation. I hate that I have to say that every time, but the differences at the extremes become extreme. And so, seeing myself in that, I was like, oh my God, that's so true.

• 10:34Tom Bilyeu?

  And if somebody had just made that clearer to me, I might not have suffered so much in my early twenties, when I was just very confused and I thought that I already had to be something. I didn't realize I could build my value yet and that caused a lot of darkness and turmoil. I don't think people understand. The internet has its downsides to be sure, but oh buddy, there are upsides. Uh, and so, the framing of life is very useful. By all means, people can reject it if it doesn't work for them, but don't be confused by these things.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Is this, um, as a young male hearing that message, right? Somebody might be like, well, damn, at 18, I gotta start all over and I gotta figure it out. And although we have years of mindset content that could get them out of that and put them in onto the track of becoming an entrepreneur and helping their family out and becoming a lovable member of society. On the flip side of that, though, the narrative that men have no value at 18, would that at least color some picture into why we are seeing so many male mass shooters, so many people, young males going into suicide, so many male, young males breaking bad right now in this current moment?

• 11:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Stick around, we'll be right back after this.

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• 14:15Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. Thanks for sticking with us. Let's jump right back in. I get why you draw them together. I don't, I think that going back to subtlety often is really important. Those two things are related, but they're different. So they're related in that if you tell somebody that they have no value enough, enough, enough, they begin to believe it. And so the wording there maybe isn't great for the era that we're living in right now, where men are already told that they don't have value. But in the context of this video, what he's trying to get you to focus on is not that you don't have value. It's that you can build value and that men and women are gonna be judged in different ways. And so I'm just trying to get you to understand it, dear son, right? So yeah, I wouldn't, like if I had a son, I would not give him messaging that you don't have value at 18.

• 14:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I would just say, listen, you're gonna be valued for very different things. And by the way, you're wired for certain things. And presumably I would know my child well enough to know if they're gonna have my level of like aggression and ambition and all of that. So I don't want to force anybody down that road. If they don't have it, fair enough. But understand how the world works, understand how you're gonna be looked at. And so decide whether you're gonna embrace it or push that away. Now, why do I think that? Men right now are dying deaths of despair at an absolutely tragic rate. There's a whole host of reasons, but the highlights are men are told that they're toxic. So the very traits, one thing that I want to put out into the world is I, I want to see young men

• 15:41Tom Bilyeu?

  be aggressive. I want to see them be dominant. I want to see them be hyper ambitious. I don't ever want somebody to back off to make space for somebody else, whether that's a woman or otherwise. I want to see them battle ideas and when women step to the plate, give them their shot like you would give anybody else their shot, but if they can't out argue you, there's, there's no comfort given simply because they're a woman. There are plenty of women. They've got the intellect, trust me. And so plenty of women will be able to humble you. So you don't need to make extra space. It's like you do your thing. The women that are prepared to play at the level of aggression, ambition, all of that, they will play.

• 16:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't reject someone because they're a woman. That would be asinine because there's so much brilliance in women that to to isolate that or to try to push it out of the public square or contributions to innovation, all that stuff would just be idiotic at the level of society.

• 16:41Tom Bilyeu?

  But I don't back off because somebody's woman. I am trying to do the greatest thing ever. There have been plenty of women that have just been better than me. So it's like, yeah, cool. All right. Well, we're going to go with that idea. So in that way, I just, I don't treat people any differently and I would advise my son the same thing. So you, you want to go as hard as you can. You want to be aggressive. You want to be ambitious. These are positive things. By telling men that these are negative things and they feel the impulses, they think, oh my God, my impulses are bad. You don't want men to be in that situation. And the most important thing, I think that we could teach men, because this really comes out of sexuality. So many, many, many men are going to feel very strong sexual urges.

• 17:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And so it's like, cool. Sexual urge gives you a double opportunity with young men. So the first thing that I'm going to tell them is you want to partner with women. It's, that's very important and it's a dynamic as old as time. And women are gonna raise a bar that you're gonna have to meet or exceed if you want sexual access to them. And it's incredible. It's gonna make you a better person. And then also, you have to control those impulses. And so this is the idea of of being meek, if Jordan Peterson's interpretation can be believed, he says, and I think ancient Greek or ancient Latin, that to be meek meant to be trained, strong, to wield a sword well, but to keep it sheathed. So to be so good at fighting that you know that you don't have to fight, that you can get

• 18:05Tom Bilyeu?

  out of most things without that. You don't have anything to prove. You're the badass of badasses. And so I love that. And so same with that's somebody who can control their emotions. So I would want any son of mine to develop control over their impulses, sexual aggression, all of that. Your job is to find a way not to deny it, not to try to diminish it, but to always, always, always control it. And so now it's like, okay, let that urge, that desire for sex that for me was so motivating, uh, to make that the motivation to become a better person, to become the kind of person worthy of sexual access, like that's a dope

• 18:48Tom Bilyeu?

  chain of events that I think you you certainly, I have become the person I become, love me or hate me, I've become the person I've become because Lisa set a very high bar and I was extremely motivated to meet it. And so largely for, my wife is my partner, but sexual access to my wife was and has always been and continues to be this day, something that I love. It's extremely motivating to me even now. So that is something that I feel very consciously that I need to earn. So, um, yeah, very useful. So that's how I would teach my kids.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Marusha Dark wants to know, you often say you've given up on adults. So what do people in their 30s, 40s, 50s do if they want to try and get better?

• 19:34Tom Bilyeu?

  So I should probably clarify that statement. 98% of adults won't do anything. And so spending the bulk of my time on adults just was, was not very fruitful. And admittedly, the phrase that I said to myself at the time in a moment of just absolute despair was I'm now giving up on adults. If you look at the way that I behave, I'm still obsessed with the 2% of adults that actually will make change. Otherwise, I, I just would eject out of this and I would just focus on children's entertainment. And that would be that. So I think that the 2% can really cause movements in society. And so I will keep speaking to the 2%. But it, it is admittedly a thing everybody should face with their eyes wide open.

• 20:14Tom Bilyeu?

  100% of kids are gonna change based on the ideas they encounter. 2% of adults will. And I really hate that that's how the human mind is architected. But that's how the human mind is architected. We all can change, but we won't all change.

• 20:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Every, every person is a result of their childhood. Every single one of us. It is wild how impactful your childhood is. I hate that. I hate that because trauma just gets baked in.

• 20:51Tom Bilyeu?

  You can ease the burden of trauma, but you're never going to erase it.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  What's the difference in the 2% that can be modeled or aspired to?

• 21:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 21:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Imagine this, we are all a roll of 100 dice, 1,000 dice. And the dice are 20 sided. So the thousand things of the hundred things, whatever analogy makes the most sense to you are traits. Discipline.

• 21:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Ability to love, ability to sit in pain, um, intelligence, all the traits. We all have differing amounts of them. And then the numbers one through 20 are the amplitude. So, um, get angry easily. You're a 20, so you just boom, you get angry very fast. So we're all a mix of that stuff. If you have a lot of patience, so patience, you score a 20, whatever. You roll that dice, we all get these really weird combinations of, uh, really patient, but extremely short fuse. So they'll be patient forever, ever, ever, ever, ever. And then when they hit that thing that makes them mad, like they just trigger fast. So they go from zero to 100 fast.

• 22:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Takes them a lot to finally snap, but when they snap, it's like, whoa. So you'll get like all those super weird, um, combinations. I think it largely comes down to persistence of frame of reference. So are you self-aware? That's probably a more, um, recognizable term for that. So how self-aware are you? Can you see yourself objectively? Do you have discipline? And the sleeper one, how badly do you want things? So I have high self-awareness. I have, uh, a very easy ability to change my, um, emotional response probably the right way.

• 22:50Tom Bilyeu?

  The way that I explain that is if I decide to fall in love with an art form, so take anime. Um, I knew what anime was growing up, but I was not obsessed with it. Once I learned the power of Japanese storytelling, I decided I was going to fall in love with it because I needed that emotional energy. Long story, why? Anyway, so I do that in my 40s and now I went from absolutely despising the art form just visually of anime. Now I love it, love it and have a very strong emotional reaction to it. So I don't think many people can do that. So if you have a high score on that and you can see yourself the way that you are, recognize what needs to be changed, have the desire to change it, the discipline to change it, and the ability to fall in love with something new.

• 23:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Now that's somebody that can, um, very easily point themselves at something else. So it's going to be like a combination of those things. So, uh, it'll be something like that. Period. Riley, how dare you?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Um, alright, speaking of raising your kids, let's, this next video is hilarious.

• 23:59Tom Bilyeu?

  People are gonna hate me for this. I love this so much. This is so dope.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  These kids gonna fuck our kids up. I promise you that. There's a child right now screaming just as loud because his iPad is on 10%. Not, not dead. He, he already having anxiety attack because he already know in 20 minutes, his iPad about to shut down and they preparing him for everything. You know y'all there screaming, oh, this is child abuse? Hey, that child probably after training, probably have to do a 10 hour shift to go feed a family at seven. Talking about child abuse. This kid is kidnap proof. And if they take him at 3 o'clock, he gonna be back by 3:15. Kidnappers is gonna be, hey, please take your child back. My bad. I ain't know this motherf- I ain't know he gonna kick me in the face 32 times while I was driving with your dumb ass.

• 24:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, I, I get it. I get why people are gonna watch this and be very glad I don't have children. I totally understand. But, oh my God, yeah, this is dope. Some part of me wishes I'd been raised like that. Now, my, I think that my dad was a weird blend. And sometimes my dad watches this channel. So dad, if you hear this one, shout out. Uh, my dad would let me get away with whining, but then when it came to like getting a job, no, excuse us. You're getting a job. You're going to do well. You're going to shine. You're gonna get good reviews. There's just no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And my dad was obsessed with building character. And so I have to say, I was so furious with my dad for making me where I have had a job every summer since I was 12.

• 25:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, my dad did not play. You were going to get a job. So, that really built a lot of discipline in me. And especially because I was so lazy. I just got whatever job he would get for me. So I worked in a paint factory. I worked in a paint warehouse. I've literally spent summers inside of industrial vats with big industrial brushes, like scrubbing chemicals with a gas mask. Like it was wild. So, but then as you get older and you see people complain about having to do a little bit of work, like copywriting or whatever, and I am out of my mind because my dad was just like, nope, we work in this house. We build character.

• 26:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, we used to go chop our own wood down and stack wood for the winter. I hated it so much, but it was just like, my dad would always say, this is building character, this is building character. And the thing is, it did. And so dude, I, I was a psychopath. I hated it so much as a kid. Like, I feel bad for my parents, but I'm so glad they did it, man. I'm so glad.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  My daughter, uh, it wasn't this summer, it was last summer, um, when she turned 13. And I was like, hey, you're turning 13 now. You know, when I was growing up, I had a job, same, I had a job every summer since I was 12. So it was like, I, I was a king, I had older brothers. I remember one time, my first job, I lied about my age, just so I could work with them, like.

• 26:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  You know, back then, they didn't have paperwork. Before nine 11, it was so easy to scam people. Um, so it, it was, so I, I was always-

• 26:57Tom Bilyeu?

  You grew up in the 1940s.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Uh, that's where I'm going. It's funny. Uh, so I was telling her, I was like, hey, you know, I've been working since I was younger, like, you need to do something, you need to get out there and start working. She was like, I mean, dad, that was in the 1900s though. I don't need to do that anymore.

• 27:09Tom Bilyeu?

  That's hilarious.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Choke her out so much.

• 27:11Tom Bilyeu?

  That is-

• 27:12Speaker 01

  I was like, those are the 2000s. Thank you very much. I'm not that old, but yeah.

• 27:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, for me, it was very much in the 1900s.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  She probably-

• 27:18Tom Bilyeu?

  I think, how old would I have been when I got the job in the door factory? I, it would have been in the 80s.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:23Tom Bilyeu?

  So yeah, it would have been 88. So yeah, God, I really am old. I don't feel that old. That's wild, though. The first time I heard kids say something like, the 1900s as if it were the 1800s, I was like, oh my God. Yeah, it is shocking. Shocking, I say.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Uh, okay. So you guys put me on that school shooting AI video that was, uh-

• 27:45Tom Bilyeu?

  The commercial, the back to school commercial. Woo.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  That happened a couple weeks-

• 27:48Tom Bilyeu?

  You guys haven't seen that, man? Oh, buddy.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, we should have played it here. We haven't played it.

• 27:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Rough.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  It's dark, but-

• 27:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  So they did, eh, I guess the same company, whatever, did an AI take on the economy. So that's what this one is.

• 28:00Speaker 05

  Should I buy more food? Or do I keep paying off my student loans?

• 28:08Speaker 06

  I'm sorry, but someone outbid you by $20,000.

• 28:12Speaker 05

  Sweet. My fifth Airbnb rental. I mean, we could always just give less to the shareholders and make things cheaper.

• 28:20Speaker 07

  This is the only home I could find in your $4,000 a month budget. After some minor repairs, it should be good as new.

• 28:27Speaker 08

  I want to go to Aruba six times next year. Double the subscription price.

• 28:33Speaker 08

  That'll be $78.

• 28:35Speaker 06

  For 12 eggs? Do you guys take Klarna?

• 28:43Speaker 09

  So it looks like you'll need this surgery or you're gonna die. Your insurance only covers one out of every six blood vessels, so that'll be $89,000 cash.

• 28:51Speaker 06

  Yay! I found a deal on the mobile app and now it's only $20 for one chicken nugget.

• 28:59Speaker 10

  I understand you don't have any money after taxes, but you should really be putting some money away.

• 29:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh God. Okay, so it is funny. It is funny and sorry for the bad audio, guys. We really do need to nail down our audio woes here. This is really where I wish people would pay attention to the actual problem. The actual problem is inflation. The actual problem is your government steals money. That's the actual problem. Stick around, we'll be right back after this.

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• 31:09Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. Thanks for sticking with us. Let's jump right back in. But I get that that's complicated enough and it's not funny. So yeah, it's horrible. It's horrible. And thankfully crypto is deregulating things enough that you'll start to get innovation again. Remember banking innovation died because the government wanted to control the life out of the banks via the central banks, via Too Big to Fail, all of that stuff. When you start looking into it, you realize, oh, I see. We built this thing that is foundationally so bad. And then all of these things bubble up from it. And so when people can literally compete in the marketplace, then if somebody, if a bank is doing something stupid, then you can make something better and you can offer something cheaper.

• 31:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Look at what Mark Cuban is doing with drugs. It's incredible, but the way that the government is doing drug negotiations is full retard. It is so wild. So anyway, we absolutely need to get to the underlying cause of this because if we don't address this stuff, those things are going to be, you'll never get to that point because people, revolution will have started long before then. But A, we don't want revolution. But the only way to avoid revolution is to actually solve the problem. So.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Jaren, by the way, said crypto will make it worse. I'm seeing a lot of speculation out of like crypto communities kind of having a mini civil war of themselves where people are kind of turning, oh, Bitcoin isn't as good as people think it is. It's not going to be the savior and all these other kind of dissenting opinions.

• 32:40Tom Bilyeu?

  That's what you should have. You want people to fight about this stuff. You don't want to try to control narratives. You battling narratives for sure because you want to find out what's real. And then if people are like, no, this really is stupid and they're able to get their voice out and they're able to build something new, then they're able to get people's attention. And that's how all of this should work. So Brutus was saying that, I assume he's talking to me. He says, this dude still thinks competition actually exists. What I'm saying is that we need to get the regulations out of the way so that competition can exist. As somebody who, my success is predicated on going into an industry that was declining, that everybody was like, there were 1,600 other products in that market

• 33:22Tom Bilyeu?

  and people were just abandoning it because everything had become so same, same. And. You go in and you find that problem that hasn't actually been solved is what when I'm teaching entrepreneurs, I tell them to find the hard, find the hard and do the hard thing. Uh, and you really can do something. So I don't agree that there's no competition. I agree that competition can be very difficult. And let me bring up a company that everybody loves to hate. But look at, um, what Palantir has done. They had to sue the US government like two or three times just to be able to bid against other people. So if you're, if you have a superior solution and you're willing to do the things to actually get in and compete, that's how the world still moves forward. So, uh, anyway, for the average person, that's not going to be the solution.

• 34:07Tom Bilyeu?

  The solution is going to be to fix, fix the economic system. Uh, but we really do have to fix the economic system. Have to, have to, have to.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Uh, okay. I want to get through these last two. First, this one that's been making his rounds. So, uh, Kamala has released a book, 107 days where she's talking about running in, in everything that went wrong in it. Um, one of the exchanges has been picking up steam here. It says that she couldn't pick, uh, she couldn't pick Pete Buttigieg as her running mate because he's gay and there was only 107 days. Uh, Rachel Maddow responded to say that he couldn't be on the ticket effectively because he was gay. It's hard to hear. And then she said, no, no, no, that's not what I said, but the stakes being so high. It made me very sad and I also realized it would be a risk.

• 34:48Tom Bilyeu?

  So I, do we have the actual clip?

• 34:51Speaker 01

  We do. I'm trying to speed run these next two topics.

• 34:53Tom Bilyeu?

  To speed run it, I will say this, given that exchange, I have a very charitable read on what, um, Kamala is saying, and needless to say, I was so anti Kamala Harris. Uh, but this feels true. You've got to get the person that you can actually get voted in. If you are a, uh, black woman, or at least perceived as such, I know there's some controversy about it, but if you're a black woman and you bring on a gay man, bro, like you, you're never, that ticket's not getting elected, full stop. So being honest about the state of the electorate, I think is smart. So I get it to, I understand why Maddow was saying that's hard to hear, but to say it's hard to hear and I'm now mad at you is crazy. It's hard to hear because that's the world we live in.

• 35:39Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm literally leaving to go to a gay wedding tonight.

• 35:44Tom Bilyeu?

  But nonetheless, I get that if you're a black woman trying to run with a gay man, like, America is moving rapidly in that direction, but America's not there yet. So you've got to be honest about who can get elected. That's not her saying gay people are bad. I don't buy for one fucking second that Kamala Harris thinks gay men are bad. I think Kamala Harris is doing her best to be politically expedient. So anyway, if the left want to eat their own in this one, go for it, but that would be absolutely absurd.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Is this a, because I don't think there has been a gay politician, um, chat, fact check me if not. But I know in other parts of the world.

• 36:23Tom Bilyeu?

  At what level? Because there have been plenty of gay politicians.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  No, I'm like PMs, presidents, like head of, head of states.

• 36:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it. Openly gay at tippy top.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that I don't know.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  We, but we have seen women and we have seen women, um, leaders across around the world.

• 36:38Tom Bilyeu?

  For sure.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Do you think America is ready for?

• 36:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Hundred percent.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Look, it, she's just saying, listen, I bet we can, and I'll speak for myself. Tom Bilyeu would make a bet that you can have a gay man win. You could have a black woman win. You could have literally insert nationality. It's when you make both that. So if you've got a black woman running, then you want to go like where, who am I losing is a black woman? And let me make sure that I pick them up. If you're a Chinese man and you're like, okay, who am I losing? I need to pick them up. That's, you want to balance it out with your running mate to speak to more people, right? Trump, I'm old as hell, uh, so let me make sure that I've got somebody younger on the ticket. Cool. And I'm sure it was way deeper than that.

• 37:24Tom Bilyeu?

  But that's the kind of thing that you want to be thinking about is you're putting a ticket together. That's going to appeal to a lot more people. So yeah, that doesn't strike me as weird at all.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Copy. And then is that something, what does that say about the electorate?

• 37:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Like says we're human. Says that people have biases. People are stuck in their frame of reference. It just is.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Whatever. Like people get more, uh, accepting over time. It's not like one linear path, but like. That I think that anybody, once you have elected Barack Hussein Obama, a black man to president, it's like that that's not the game anymore. People are open to whatever. You have to like meet other criteria. Like if she had been smooth, like really intelligent, like really got the policy, was able to rally people, she would have gotten elected. She didn't not get elected, in my opinion, because she's a black woman. She didn't excite people.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  So going back to if she was smooth, she was Obama reincarnate. In the way that he delivers and campaign could then a gay man as a running mate work? Or you still think?

• 38:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Probably not. You're just gonna lose too many people.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  It's a numbers game.

• 38:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, 100%. Like people are gonna be like, look, okay, fine. Like, uh, I bigoted person out in the world am not ready to vote for that person. But she gave me like a balancing act where I can be like, well, she's whatever. But I know that he'll keep her in line or, you know, whatever the thing is that they're going for to give people the excuse. So, yeah, you you want to have a ticket that touches as many people positively as humanly possible. And she was already on shaky ground at best, just throwing another variable in. Like if you can get somebody that's just as good, that doesn't have, that is the baggage, go for it. Like find somebody that can get elected. Like I would expect if I'm a gay man running, then I'm gonna try to balance that out.

• 39:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Doesn't mean a gay man can't get elected, but it does mean, hey, balancing this ticket out is probably a good idea. I'm sure as hell not gonna pick another gay man. Like people are gonna go wild like that. That's just a combo that people are gonna be way less likely to vote for. Now, if you are the most G gay men ever, and you can run the table internationally, because you guys are just that smart, that on it, that well tied in diplomatic, hey, maybe. But it's you're making, you're setting the bar higher for what you're gonna have to be able to prove during the election that, oh, yeah, damn, like people are gonna go for that. I really, I can't stress this enough, and I know that people don't hear me when I say this, but I'm gonna just keep saying it to death. It's about values. If you have two gay guys on a ticket and America's like, yo, those are my values.

• 40:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, oh, my God, like, those are my homies. Like, I want to have a beer with them. I want to hang out with these guys. I never would have guessed. I never would have guessed, but I I love these guys. That's what people care about. Do you seem like somebody I could hang out with? Do you share my values? And all of a sudden, I don't care that you're Cambodian, gay, a woman, male, black, gay, straight, lesbian, trans. I don't care. Do you reflect my values? Do you reflect my values? This was like when Chappelle was going off about the trans comedian Daphne, I think. And he was like, I love Daphne. Daphne and I, he didn't say shared values, but we're both comedians. We understand the world, all that. And I'm like, yeah, this is a values question.

• 40:57Tom Bilyeu?

  This is a values question. So if you can make people feel like, oh, we share values, people will overlook literally anything.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  There's been a lot of speculation Gavin is running. There's AOC rumored to run. Some people are saying AOC Bernie running. Have you seen any kind of configuration in 2028 for the next presidential run? That has you at least like, hmm, that's interesting or kind of excited or?

• 41:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Getting Youngblood will be very interesting. I think we're so far out. We do not have any clue who's actually going to run. This is way too early. I think Newsom gets slaughtered on the national stage for sure. I think he can get blue people excited. He's never going to get red people. If you vote red, no way. Hard pass on him. So I don't think that works nationally. AOC's young, at least you got to give her that. But I think she's probably too far left leaning. She's seen, said too many things that will be played on a loop against her. But I think she can actually excite the base. So people that are excited for Mamdani are probably going to be excited for her, even if it's just a, well, she's the best we have kind of vibe.

• 42:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Cause I know some of them have been disappointed with her not going far enough left. But I think that you're going to see a lot. There but youthful energy, I think is gonna be if I had to lay a chip on something coming from the left, that's gonna be they'll they'll go that way. I just worry that it's really gonna be somebody that triggers the same thing that Gary's economics triggers where it's pure emotion. And that will be a disaster.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Stoking that anger, right? Pressing that button.

• 42:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Um, okay, for this last story, I'm going to add a disclaimer. I could not find any like top 10 reputable news source like, and I was kind of going deep into this. There is a bunch of independent like international agencies. So I'm putting this disclaimer out there, but it is interesting what's going on in Vietnam right now. This is from the vigilant Fox on Twitter. Disturbing Vietnam just shut down a jaw dropping 86 million bank accounts overnight.

• 43:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Cutting citizens off from their own money for refusing to hand over their biometric data.

• 43:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  This is in state enforced digital control, showing just how fast freedom disappears when survival is tied to compliance.

• 43:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Yo.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Uh, Andrew Coffey Moore's in Vietnam, people had a few months warning, then watched their accounts freeze, most compiled complied without protest and that same passive mindset is spreading in the US today. So just to kind of level set it, there was an announcement, we're switching over to biometrics. Everybody has a time window in which to do it. Some people didn't do it in which they're that timeframe and then they were kind of cut off from their money.

• 43:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  This is the Whitney Webb, don't do the digital ID. This is they're trying to get you. This is the dangers of CBDCs.

• 43:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Hypothetically speaking, we tinfoil hat, tinfoil hat. Is this the thing that we that they were trying to warn us about with those digital currencies and with that digital ID like this is the worst case scenario, right?

• 43:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so I think people need to read this differently. So I'm at the headline level. This is the first I've heard about it. I don't know the details of this, but this is them shutting you down for not doing it.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:06Tom Bilyeu?

  So the thing to remember, the government is in control. They have a monopoly on violence and.

• 44:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Anytime you get confused by that, you end up in trouble. This is why I say be very careful what you vote for. Be very careful to give your side a weapon because that weapon will be used against you when the tables turn. You don't want the government to be too powerful. This is why the second amendment exists. If the government ever gets fucking confused that my money is their money, whoa. Now I've got a problem. This is where, whatever the roll of dice is, I get unreasonably unhinged. When banks act like my money is their money, holy shit. That is not me saying that I am not willing to pay taxes to the government. I certainly am. I pay my taxes. I don't even get fancy with it. My own like accountants think I'm a lunatic because I'm like, I'm not trying to like tax optimize.

• 44:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Listen, I'm not trying to be stupid, but you're not going to find me with like the edgy stuff. That's just not how I play this game. I don't ever want to look over my shoulder. But let's be real, real fucking clear about whose money that is. Uh, the government did not help me when I was working my ass off. I didn't even take the PPP loans or whatever they were, even though we qualified. I didn't ask for a dime. I was like, I can cover this with my own money and I will do so. We didn't fire a single employee during COVID. We didn't take a single dime from the government, nothing. So if they did something, I would be, Drew, I would be a real problem. Flights to DC to be sure.

• 45:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And I would probably frame my second amendment, uh, document on the wall behind me as a reminder of what country we're in because holy Jesus. Now going to CBDCs, I have this same negative energy for that, but that isn't what happened in, uh, Vietnam. In Vietnam, they're just reminding you, yeah, we're the government. We don't need the digital control to take your shit. If that's actually what happened.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Um, cool. That's all I got. Thanks again to Ground News.

• 46:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, thanks again to Ground News.

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• 47:19Speaker 01

  Uh, yes.

• 47:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  You have a full agenda.

• 47:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. So if by some miracle we can, but I'm going to be traveling. Uh, so right now, unfortunately, we have to assume that we will not be live on Friday, but we will be back next week. And this is, I think, my last sort of unovercomable travel this year. Don't hold me to that. All right, guys, we love you bunches. Thank you for being here and as always, be legendary. Take care of my friends. Later.

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