Does the U.S. Jump Into War? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

In this conversation, Dee and Jonathan W. Hackett discuss the escalating tensions between Iran and Israel, the implications of U. S. military involvement, and the historical context of these geopolitical dynamics. They explore the potential outcomes of military action, the role of media in shaping public perception, and the human cost of war. The discussion emphasizes the need for a thoughtful approach to foreign policy that considers the long-term consequences of intervention in the region. Find Jon here: https://jonathanwhackett.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's Books : https://www.amazon.com/Irans-Shadow-Weapons-Intelligence-Unconventional/dp/1476696934/ https://www.amazon.com/Theory-Irregular-War-Jonathan-Hackett/dp/1476689059/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social 00:00 Introduction 01:42 Escalation in the Middle East 06:26 Historical Context of U. S.-Iran Relations 10:22 The Dynamics of Resistance in Iran 12:38 Potential Outcomes of Conflict 20:12 The Role of Foreign Intervention 26:15 Future Relations with Iran 27:57 Navigating Complex Geopolitics 29:42 The Human Cost of Conflict 32:09 The Cycle of Violence and Resistance 36:36 The Consequences of Short-Sighted Policies 40:27 The Role of Leadership in Global Affairs 44:52 The Future of Iran and Regional Stability Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:30Speaker 04

  I would be more concerned about how the US gets further pulled into the conflict than about specifically what Iran does in reaction to it. Because the regime is very weak. It has been weak even before this. It's been weakened for years. So their ability to actually conduct an offense against the United States is pretty low, even against Bahrain, where we have Fifth Fleet, or in Qatar, where we have the Air Force, or AfS. It'd be very tough for them to have a sustained campaign against those. They only have 2,000 missiles, so they've already fired about 30 to 50% of them. So I mean, you've got a swan song there at the end where they can launch the rest. But then what? Right, but I'd be more concerned about, OK, the US goes in there, kind of like Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan. We went in there and we...

• 2:10Speaker 04

  executed flawless invasion did what we wanted to do in a few weeks and then we stayed for 20 years and that's that's more concerning to me because that is more likely because it's easy for us to get wrapped up you know bit by bit by bit pulled into this thing and now you're in a position that you can't get out of

• 2:39Speaker 05

  everybody welcome to another episode of eyes on geopolitics a special one today with Jonathan Hackett John did a great great interview on the team house where we talked a bit not a bit a good amount about his career in the Marines Marsoc I mean he definitely did have a very interesting career dude like you know he worked at the NSA DIA like it doesn't seem like a prototypical enlisted Marines career I would say

• 3:06Speaker 04

  definitely definitely

• 3:07Speaker 05

  uh so yeah I definitely I'm recommending everybody go check that out I'll put the link in the description too for

• 3:15Speaker 05

  for that for that episode for your books to all the links will be in the description if you want to find Jonathan the links are in the description do not ask me please it's in the description because people like to ask even though I put all the links in the description today's gonna be a little bit different we're gonna talk more about what's going on obviously in the world a lot cooking as usual it's been about a week I would say about a week right since Israel started bombing Iran and Iran's nuclear facilities their nuclear scientists are IRGC guys and shockingly which I'm saying that sarcastically they're trying to bring us into it I think we've all seen like the buildup of our own you know a ton of tankers heading towards the Middle East

• 3:59Speaker 05

  F 22s you know landing in the UK I think getting ready to go to the Middle East the Nimitz like carrier like we're stacking up a ton of equipment in and around that area

• 4:14Speaker 05

  Uh, like, give me your, like, what you're thinking and what you're tracking.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  Well, a really interesting indicator of what's going on on the US side is pizza sales in DC. If you look at pizza sales outside of the Pentagon, they're like five times higher than usual, even at mealtime, which is very similar to 1991, 1990, when we're doing war plans for the aerial campaign in Iraq for the first Gulf War. Uh, there was a similar pizza drive that actually people did a lot of analysis on and saw, you know, there's more going on than usual, more than the regular just advising the president on options. There's an NSC meeting this afternoon where they're going to probably present him with a menu of options. But I would, I would imagine that it's not just options they're presenting. They've already got packages in place that once he chooses one of those options, if he does,

• 5:03Speaker 04

  uh, it would be ready to launch instantly. Even Netanyahu said, you know, he made some, some light of it on, I think it was Twitter about, the Iranians will see something amazing this weekend, you know, and, and kind of like bringing that up. So whether it's Israel doing something or the US doing something, whether that's Khomeini being assassinated or us using a GBE 57 on Fordow. Maybe something, it might be a third thing that we are just not aware of, uh, could happen. My thought is, what if Khomeini is not even in Iran? What if he's in Russia right now? Protected? And how does that change Israel's calculus on that threat? Because without consummating the threat, it's kind of meaningless, uh, especially if they're, they're waving it about the way that they are today on the media.

• 5:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, I mean, it was super interesting the last couple of days, super interesting and also scary and frustrating because you did see Netanyahu going around doing the rounds like American media, like he was on Fox News with Brett Baer and it was like a la fucking 2000 fucking two. When we're like gearing up for Iraq and, um, you know, even in Bibi's, uh, speech, right after they started hitting Iran, it was, they're a year away. Like we've heard it year away, year away for so long. And I understand they've enriched a certain amount and they need to weaponize it and that takes time. But again, it wasn't like they have three or four nukes sitting around, uh, pointed at Israel on one of those ballistic missiles, right?

• 6:34Speaker 05

  It's extremely frustrating, especially I'm going to editorialize a little bit because I don't give a shit really. Seeing a lot of like the talking heads out there on Twitter and stuff like that and like guys who have been in Iraq, been in Afghanistan, seen like seen war firsthand, seen the mistakes we've made and stuff like that, where they're just like beating the drums. It's not just like the Lindsey Grams, you know, who's a who's a fucking ghoul, let's be honest. Or like Fetterman, who are like pro pro Israel, like, yeah, let's do it. It's, you know, those guys I understand because they've probably never been outside of like an air-conditioned room. But like the national security analyst guys who have been there and have seen it and are like, they know

• 7:18Speaker 05

  better, are like, kind of cheering this on. And it's unreal to me. It's like, have we not learned anything over the last 20 years?

• 7:28Speaker 04

  It's pretty similar, though, to the Gulf War, the first one, because you had a lot of Vietnam vets that were generals at that time. Even in the first Iraq War, you still had some holdovers from that period, especially from the 80s, when special operations became a doctrinal thing. A lot of, a lot of people died in those conflicts. And yet, those people were the loudest saber rattlers trying to get us in immediately, you know, like in the president's ear saying, like, no, we got to go right now. And if you go back to the 90s, when Netanyahu first began, became powerful, essentially, especially the mid 90s, his advisors basically came to him with a paper called the Clean Break Memo, that talked about overthrowing three countries in the Middle East. First, Iraq, second, Syria, and third, Iran. And if you look at today,

• 8:09Speaker 04

  they've been working on that ever since then. In 2003, the Mossad actually changed their number one priority targets from Palestinian-focused targets, like the PFLP and the PLO, to Iran, number one, number two Hezbollah, and number three Hamas. And that was a clear shift that Netanyahu actually pushed toward that goal. And as you saw the year after that, we invaded Iraq. We overthrew Iraq as they told us to. And then we've been working against the Syrian government ever since then, even though Syria helped us in the very beginning of the war, they gave us intel, they gave us satellite imagery, they told us where guys were at in Syria. We brushed that aside. And ever since then, we did covert action in Syria under Timber Sycamore, where we tried to overthrow the government, and eventually it actually

• 8:52Speaker 04

  succeeded last December. So that was checkmark number two. And then you've got the final checkmark, which is the most difficult piece for them, for Israel to move, and that is Iran, and it's happening right now.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's incredible when you lay it out like that.

• 9:08Speaker 05

  You know, it's taken thirty years or more, but it's it's almost there. I mean, also a bit of like the wishful thinking you see from, you know, because I've I'm not, I'm I'm I'm a dumb civilian, right? But I've talked to enough like salty CIA guys, especially CIA guys who were like involved or working while Iraq was building up, where they talk about it like where the wishful thinking is where you get in trouble, right? And I see a lot of that, like talking about regime change, like are people protesting in the streets really? I mean, obviously not because they're getting bombed, but.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  Well, actually, interesting you say that. They just executed some protesters that were protesting two days ago. They captured them the same day and killed them the same day. So they are violently tapping down any resistance in the country. The strongest resistance of the regime that exists is the Mujahideen Iqalq, MEK, which was also an enemy of the Shah back in the seventies. They had a mutual understanding with the regime in the first couple of years after the revolution. And then the regime executed three thousand plus prisoners of the MEK prisoners essentially in nineteen eighties, late eighties. Ibrahim Raisi was named the hanging judge back then, who became president later and then died in a helicopter. But that is the largest resistance group. Believe me, you do not want that group leading Iran.

• 10:28Speaker 04

  It's a quasi Marxist cult essentially that's based out of Albania. Israel Mossad has been working with them. That is their number one group they work with outside of Iraq and Iran to actually get stuff in. Like when you see all this stuff smuggled into Iran, most of the time it's Mujahideen Iqalq moving it in, not Mossad. It's Mossad running agents. Those agents are Iranian and they're moving stuff in. But the way Israel advertises it to kind of like upsell their footprint, like, oh, we got inside Iran. It's like they didn't actually, you had guys recruited that did that. Guys that are not the right people you want leading ninety million people, which Ted Cruz can't even name the number of them inside the country.

• 11:07Speaker 05

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• 11:12Speaker 05

  Ah, I mean, yeah, it's actually, I really appreciate you bringing that up, right? Like, because we really haven't really, I mean, general public laymans like myself don't really know, like, yeah, what's the resistance in Iran look like? And like you said, like, I'm not surprised that they're not going to come in and be like this liberal democracy that loves fucking elections and all that stuff. So, yeah, and also a great point bringing up like, yeah, like the, you know, because everyone was talking about how, oh, my God, Mossad did this drone thing and like hit the ballistic missiles before they, you know, they had guys on the ground. And I'm sure they had a couple, you know, singletons and operators on the ground and stuff, but like you said, to facilitate it all, they need Iranians, right? Who can go in and out?

• 11:56Speaker 05

  And I did see a couple of days ago, they executed like 20 or so agents that they caught, like Mossad agents. It's just insane. Honestly, man, I'm like so taken aback by this, that like the drums of war are just like spinning and banging so loud. Also, like there was, YouGov did a poll, like 16% of Americans do not want to do this. 16% of Americans do want to do this, the rest do not, like.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  That's pretty significant.

• 12:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, so in terms, it's like political suicide. I mean, I guess like Trump definitely is Teflon and he doesn't really have that to worry about. You do see a split in the base there, like the MAGA base and stuff like that. There are people like screaming from the rooftops, but I don't know what that really is going to end up doing for Trump anyway, in terms like politically. Talk a little bit about more like, yeah, the inner dynamics of what it looks like in Iran right now. I mean, especially a little bit more about the resistance group.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  So first of all, big problem in Iran right now for the regular Iranians is fear. They're afraid of what's happening because even though Israel says they're there to help, they've killed hundreds of people that are not involved in anything. And we know that they do that frequently.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  But because of that fear, Iranians don't know what to do, where to go. They're trying to get out of Tehran. A lot of them are. They're trying to go up into the mountains like in the west, which is Karaj or down south. The problem is down south, 60 miles south is Fortow. So if they try to go south, they're now they're entering a new conflict zone that on probably tomorrow or tonight will become, you know, the center of the conflict zone.

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 04

  And they're trying to get out and a lot of these people in Tehran, they're they're city people. They don't, they don't live outside, you know, like they don't live outside this big metropolitan area. So for them, I mean, imagine if you're living in New York your entire life and someone says like evacuate up into the Catskills.

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• 13:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, like, that's crazy.

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  Yeah.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  And that's what's going through a lot of people's minds. Plus, like food and water and think about, you always got to think about the day after. So let's say that Khomeini dies today. What happens tomorrow? I mean, if you already took out all these top leaders who, don't get me wrong, are murderous villains, you know, these IRGC generals, these guys have killed thousands of Iranians inside the country.

• 15:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, terrible people, right?

• 15:40Speaker 04

  Of course, but what will replace them as far as law and order and social structure? And you're going to see just, I predict, just like Iraq, there was looting, widespread violent crime, just totally unrestrained. You know, once you, once you take the framework off of a society, it doesn't matter where it is. Look at France in the 1800s, after Napoleon. There was Napoleon, then there was a monarch, then there was Napoleon, then there was a monarch. That's where communism actually came from because it was the Paris Commune twice. You know, and it was really, really violent. It was totally unrestrained. And I think that Iran, that's probably the most likely outcome. If this happened tonight, that's what would happen tomorrow. And that's very scary because whatever Israel says rhetoric wise, whatever Netanyahu says,

• 16:23Speaker 04

  where's the actual help that will come the day after? And I don't think, it doesn't seem that that is a part of the plan. In fact, I think chaos is probably more preferred, especially if you look at Israeli domestic politics. The longer conflict goes on, the more Netanyahu's survival is assured.

• 16:41Speaker 05

  Right.

• 16:42Speaker 04

  He's a human being. Everyone's a human being. Everyone wants to keep doing the thing they want to do. And he sees the writing on the wall, you know, before October 7th, hundreds of thousands of people were protesting against his government in the streets. That switched off immediately and has not started up again. So the longer this can go on, the slower burn this could be.

• 17:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  The better domestically it is for him against his own, you know, opponents in the country.

• 17:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I did, I remember like they were like talking or spinning up like a possible no confidence vote or whatever in the parliament and that kind of like went away.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Well, that was the day before the launch of the strikes.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  That'll do it, I guess, right? Like you have a bigger enemy to fry now and it's Iran and it's like the big boogeyman. And again, like, I'm not the type of guy that's like saying like, Israel shouldn't be secure, right? I think they've done a relatively great job of staying secure. They're armed to the teeth, right? They have the best military in the region. Probably by a lot, right? Like, there's some talk about Egypt being like as good, but like I don't technologically, I don't believe it. So it's like, Israel is pretty much secure. I mean, the only time we've ever seen, even last year when they hit like Iranian air defense radars and stuff like that, like the response was like a coordinated response, right?

• 18:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:03Speaker 05

  Just saying like, hey, we have to respond. No one's actually gonna die. I think one person died and it was

• 18:09Speaker 05

  an Arabic girl.

• 18:12Speaker 05

  But it was very coordinated, very like, you know, for lack of a better word, for show, really. Now, like ballistic missiles are hitting in downtown Tel Aviv. People are dying in downtown Tel Aviv where like, I don't think they're exactly used to it. I know they're, I know they're used to living in like a world like that where they hear rockets come in from other Hamas with these or Hezbollah, but it's relatively, it was at least relatively few and far between. Now they're getting peppered, right?

• 18:41Speaker 04

  And different munitions this time because the ones from Hezbollah are smaller ordinance, smaller order, you know, explosions.

• 18:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  These are medium range ballistic missiles or larger, which have a very large impact. So again, that fear factor, when you hear an explosion, that's this small, like small, you know, around your city block versus one that's heard around the whole city. Big difference in how people feel in the city, you know?

• 19:05Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 19:07Speaker 05

  Going back to like the the GBU 57, right? Which only the B2 can carry, they can carry two. A pop. There was like reporting, I believe it was watched, Wall Street Journal where like, Trump was asking his generals and his NSC like, hey, is, can this actually work? Like, can it really take out or really degrade their nuclear program?

• 19:32Speaker 05

  According to the article, they're saying that the general said, yes, they it can.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 19:37Speaker 05

  Prior to like this going down and when this was just conjecture, everyone talking about and analyzing it, they said, people were saying, no, it'll probably shut it set it back maybe three, six months. And then they'll redouble their efforts. So what's changed besides like? Oh, no, it's time to go to war and like, we don't really give a shit about like the actual truth that's on the ground and what actually can happen.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Well, the way our mind works is we try to arrange information in a way that makes our desired outcome, the more accepted outcome. And I think because people are being pushed in the direction of using the weapon, a lot more of the rhetoric in support of it is getting, you know, center stage while the other information is being pushed to the side, especially when you have hawks around in the administration saying, oh no, we just got to do it. But you look at the maximum effective depth of that's 200 feet. Well, the the site in Fordow is at least 300 feet. So you're already looking at a math problem. It doesn't make sense. And that's at least 300 feet. What if it's deeper? What if the material composition of that mountain is such that you require even more? For a shorter depth, you require more ammunition.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  And of course they've done measurement, signature intelligence to know what the composition is of the of the mountain. But I would, I would question that math right up front. And then I would also look at the other nuclear facilities because there's only a thousand centrifuges at Fordow. The fact that it's deeply buried makes us suspicious that perhaps this is a location that has either a bomb almost constructed or constructed or the best part of their uranium stockpile could be there, maybe. But I just saw Vladimir Putin talking yesterday about Bouchere because in Bouchere, which is another facility, there's 200 Russian scientists and technicians from Rosatom working there right now. And apparently he reached a separate piece with Netanyahu where Netanyahu agreed not to strike Bouchere

• 21:27Speaker 04

  in this conflict, which is very interesting because if the Iranians see the news like we see the news, that would probably stimulate them to perhaps move their uranium right now.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Or maybe they already did and we just don't know it. There's a lot of unknown here because the noise floor is very high in this situation and there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on because in this type of conflict, a lot of experts just kind of emerge out of the woodwork, throwing around things that they remember from their time, maybe 10 years ago, 20 years ago, that stuff is not accurate today.

• 22:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, man. I mean, again, I'm gonna keep saying it's freaking scary dude cuz uh

• 22:08Speaker 05

  it also seems to be happening a lot faster now than what I remember from like Iraq, you know? Like Iraq was like a year-long kinda media blitz and that's probably having to do with like social media and how stuff is so fast, but

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Well, I'll say, back then, it took longer, I think, because Israel had to convince the American public to act. Now, Israel, every country does intelligence work, right? There are no allies in the intelligence world. There are only interests. Israel collects intelligence, just like we do, on everybody. They're doing assessments not only of Ayatollah Khomeini, they're also doing assessments of Donald Trump about his decision-making ways. And they've probably determined that they don't have to convince the American public of this. All they have to do is convince Donald Trump. And they probably know how to do it because they're looking at how he reacts to different things and they're saying which pressure points can we push today to make an outcome tomorrow? Doing the same thing with Putin, right? And that's, that's not unusual. I mean, that's, that's what states do. It's just unfortunate

• 23:06Speaker 04

  in a situation like this where so many lives are at stake, both Israeli lives, Iranian lives, and most of all, American lives. We don't need to be sending our troops to go die in Iran. And if people remember the Iran-Iraq War, 1980 to 88, the way that Iran fought that war was brutal, right? And very similar situation actually to right now. Saddam Hussein saw an opportunity a few months after the revolution in 1979. He said, oh, it's a weak country. Now I can just go in and invade and we'll take it. He went in and he was met with massive opposition. And it's interesting because before that, there was a revolutionary situation where you had at least eight different factions. One of them is the regime today, but the other seven were also vying for power. All of them put their weapons down against each other

• 23:47Speaker 04

  and forced them against Saddam Hussein. And I think a similar situation could arise today cuz imagine if you disagree, let's, let's say you're party A and someone else is party B and you guys wanna go fight each other, but suddenly someone invades your country. You're not concerned about fighting each other anymore. Now you're looking at this bigger threat and you're standing next to each other. And that's a very scary situation and one that doesn't have to happen. That's, that's the sad thing. It's completely avoidable to have all these lives put in danger on all fronts.

• 24:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, great. Well said, right? Because everyone's talking about like regime change and stuff like that and how it'll tab, but like what happens if, yeah, if they meet it with, you know, unity, right?

• 24:28Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 24:28Speaker 05

  And like get together and fight.

• 24:32Speaker 05

  Plus, like, is Israel willing to send a hundred thousand or so troops or even like a tier one team like, you know, I'm sure Delta and J-Soc there. If they're not training up for their other mission, which is not just hostage rescue, right? It's also like nuclear proliferation or nuclear deterrence. This, I mean, they in their MOS, right? Their skill set is to go into places like this and get nuclear weapons out or like neutralize a nuclear facility. So

• 25:04Speaker 05

  is Israel willing to do that without the US's help? And is the US willing to do that? I hope not.

• 25:09Speaker 04

  Well, Israel's done it twice before. They bombed the Osirak Iraq right reactor, nuclear reactor in Iraq, and they bombed the Syrian nuclear reactor as well. Without US support. And the important thing is they didn't do anything afterward to secure the nuclear material. And actually, in one of those, there was a bunch of North Korean engineers that were discovered under the rubble, which is very interesting. But what if they do that again? What if they, because I saw another statement today saying it doesn't have to be an airstrike. It could be something else that blows up for now. Maybe they've got guys inside. Or maybe it's like a Stuxnet type thing where they disrupt the centrifuges or some other thing. Okay, that happens. Then what? You've got hundreds of pounds of enriched uranium near weapons grade. What happens then?

• 25:51Speaker 04

  There's a lot of separatist groups in Iran. There's the Beluchis, there's the Kurds, there's Azeris and other smaller groups that for several hundred years have been in opposition to any government in Iran. What happens if a Beluchi group gets a hold of some of that uranium and brings it to Afghanistan? Then what? You know, and that's a really big question. I mean, that's a lot of nuclear materials, hundreds of pounds of nuclear material. You can't just go put it in your backpack.

• 26:15Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  You know, you've got to do a lot of stuff to get rid of it. And in the meantime, look in Libya, what happened when Gaddafi toppled? Those weapons proliferated around the world in like days and weeks. Same thing with the in Yemen with the Houthis. As soon as the Yemeni government fell, all of those weapons stores were cleared out like same day, you know, and and these other groups that now we hate are armed with all the equipment that we freed up. When I say we getting collectively, you know, the world freed up for this, these groups to get a hold of. And now you're talking uranium. I would hope to see an exit strategy advertised with along with these threats of invasion and attack.

• 26:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, that'd be amazing. I mean, we're not gonna get it, right?

• 26:55Speaker 04

  No, definitely not. On purpose too, because the uncertainty makes it makes it more pressure for the other side.

• 27:00Speaker 05

  Tougher sell. Um, so I'm gonna ask one of my buddies asked, right? One of my buddies, New York guy, works in Manhattan. And it it's interesting, this Israel Iranian conflict has like kind of elevated past like people that really are interested in like foreign policy, geopolitical stuff. It's elevated past like the general public. My buddy who's not really like concerned about that, he's concerned about making money like, you know, and taking care of his family like most people. He's like, oh, what's gonna happen like in terms of like blowback, right? What does blowback look like if the US gets involved in striking facilities and like an open ended, you know, air campaign against Iran?

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'd be more concerned about how the US gets further pulled into the conflict than about in specifically what Iran does in reaction to it. Because the regime is very weak. It has been weak even before this. It's been weakened for years. So their ability to actually conduct an offense against the United States is pretty low, even against like Bahrain, where we have fifth fleet.

• 28:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Or in Qatar, where we have the air force or, you know, AfS. It'd be very tough for them to kind of have a sustained campaign against those. They only have 2,000 missiles, so they've already fired about 30 to 50% of them. So I mean, you got a swan song there at the end where they can launch the rest, but then then what? Right. But I'd be more concerned about, okay, the US goes in there, kind of like Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan. We went in there and we we executed a flawless invasion, did what we wanted to do in a few weeks, and then we stayed for 20 years. And that's that's more concerning to me because that is more likely because it's easy for us to get wrapped up. You know, bit by bit by bit pulled into this thing. And now you're in a position that you can't get out of. You're in a dilemma. And it seems as though we're already moving toward that dilemma now.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  The way we're getting pulled in, the way we brought the B two bombers even a few months ago in April. You know, doing those small little things without us even realizing it pulls us into the conflict in a way that's very challenging for us to get out of. On our own. It's not that the enemy is doing something specific. It's that we are doing something that cements us into further conflict.

• 29:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I so I basically told my friend, I tried to dumb it down to where it's like, listen, if we do get involved, likely like, cause like you said, Iran's. Pretty weak regime, right? Like they don't really have the reach that they people think they do. But like, if we were to get involved and it's like two, three years down the road. I'm like, at that point, like, maybe you can worry about like a bomb going off somewhere in the United States, right? Like where it's like a smaller terrorist attack kind of thing. Rather than like ballistic missiles raining down on I told like they can't reach here and they don't have as many like we're fine.

• 29:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, uh, it's nuts, man. It's so crazy because people are just so fucking like, it's just like they have like goldfish memories.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, there's one thing that's very important to remember, and that's nineteen fifty three. That's when the US, the CIA and Great Britain went in and overthrew Mohammed Mosaddegh. Who was a democratically elected prime minister of Iran under Operation Ajax, which I encourage listeners to read about. Very fascinating point in our history. We did that to bring the Shah to power. That was the son of the original Shah, who we who we and the British also brought to power after World War One. Right? So there's a history of foreign involvement, not just the US, but foreign involvement in Iran. That tends to turn Iranians against certain foreign interests. Like there's a great opportunity for the United States to be friends with Iran. In the future with a new new government and new situation.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  But if we repeat or do something similar to Operation Ajax. There is a very high chance that we will have no friends in Iran, which is very sad because that country has great people, amazing culture and history, obviously. But also amazing natural resources that are just sitting there. And they also have the Straits of Hormuz right south of them and they could help secure that area rather than make it threatened, right? That the the country has such potential to be a positive actor for us. And it did during the entire Shah's period from nineteen fifty-three through nineteen seventy-nine, which is a quarter of a century. That was our best friend in the Middle East. Who replaced that best friend? Israel. And I think it would threaten Israel to have that friend again because now that would

• 31:21Speaker 04

  threaten the balance that's been set up. It would threaten the aid that's set up. It would that lifeline that we have set up. All that work that they've done over the years to get those things in their country, to get guaranteed six billion dollars a year foreign assistance, no strings attached, et cetera. All that stuff is now in jeopardy because there's another country with more resources, more people, more industry, all this, you know, so many more things to offer the United States economically. That I think it would not be in Israel's interest to allow us to be friends with a new Iranian government. It would instead they'd prefer probably to have a more chaotic outcome.

• 31:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  Because because that would keep them at the top as far as Middle East politics goes.

• 32:02Speaker 05

  Bro, I don't understand. I never feel happy after these these conversations with people like even when I'm doing with the guys, it's like, when do we get some good news, right? Like, uh, and like, honestly, I I I'm I'm not a Trump guy, but obviously I I have to give him a little bit of credit of like, not jumping into this completely half-cocked. Uh, I really do. Hopefully this is a move to like, try and bring Iran to the table. The one wild card, in my opinion, is Israel because like, even if we did have like a deal right in place, right? I can't see Israel stopping.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Right. What's in their interest to continue, especially if we're approaching a deal? Because that, as as I said, it shatters their ability to maintain the balance in the region.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  Good Lord. All right, let's talk a little bit about, uh, cause it's like, seems like everybody forgot about Gaza. And what's going on there? The genocide that's going on there, I'll say it. The war crimes that are going on over there. Not a fan of Hamas. Guys, just FYI, I know they are a terrorist organization. And I, I, I hate that I have to qualify the fact that I think that I, I believe that Israel should be secure and, and you know, keep their security. But what they've been doing over the last two years, close to two years has been just like like Genghis Khan type stuff, you know, where it's just, we'll starve them out. Well, you know, it's fine. We'll be fine.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  There's no end game there. Much like there seems to be no end game in Iran either.

• 33:43Speaker 05

  I just don't understand what the move is. What do you, what are your thoughts? I have no questions. I just speak and I'm like, it's like jazz.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  So the former director of Mossad back, and I think it was 2005, said that every Palestinian either is a terrorist, gives birth to terrorists or is a relative of a terrorist. And I think that is, that explains the behavior toward Gaza.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Because as you qualified, what you said, there is no qualification for how they're describing Palestinians. And it was interesting today, it's ironic that Netanyahu said that, you know, Iran hit a hospital, nobody was hurt. But that's in a red line that Iran hit a hospital. I was thinking, well, it's a good thing there's no more hospitals in Gaza to accidentally hit.

• 34:23Speaker 05

  Right.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  Sarcastically and sadly saying that, but look at the double standard here. You know, why is that okay? And but it doesn't make, it just doesn't make sense. It's very hard to wrap your head around from a logical perspective because it's not logical. It's emotional. You know, it's ideological, the, the way that they're framing these things. And that's how they're able to keep people supporting it is through ideology rather than logic, which is very scary because ideology knows no bounds.

• 34:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I, you know, uh, I, I, I'm assuming a person who was like pro this, this, the operations in Gaza would be like, oh, cause Hamas has their command and control there. And that might be true. But like, you know, in Tel Aviv, Ministry of Defense or like some important buildings are in downtown Tel Aviv, right? Like at the same time.

• 35:15Speaker 05

  Look at, you know, your Marines in 2004 in Fallujah, right? They went house to fucking house to clear out stuff. They lost a lot of guys. They didn't just make it place rubble, completely wipe it off the map. They literally went house to fucking house. Andy Milburn was there.

• 35:34Speaker 05

  You know, it was unbelievable. It was insane. You know, the, the amount like the kind of urban warfare that was going on there.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Well, even a more direct comparison, if you look at the strike that killed Mohammed Bagiri, who was one of the IRGC commanders that they killed. It's a very small hole about the size of a grapefruit. That they struck him with. Why can't they use that level of precision in Gaza to kill these quote unquote leaders? The, the, the 40,000 to 50,000 leaders that they've killed, which again, very questionable description of these people. Why haven't they used that? If, if Mossad has such exquisite intelligence and Shin Bet has such exquisite intelligence, why can't they do these precision strikes there? If you're looking at it though, from a logical perspective, what they're doing is they're purposely destroying Gaza. They're flattening it to the ground so that they can take it back. And although many Israelis don't agree with that. Those who are in decision-making positions do.

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  And those are the ones with their, their ability to, to send these forces out to do these things. And I think a lot of Israelis don't want this to happen. A lot of them before October 7th were very pro Palestinian rights. A lot, there's a lot of organizations in Israel that, that actually help Palestinians, you know? But there are also a lot that do the opposite. I saw an interview today with a Palestinian Israeli citizen. Who was denied entry into a bunker. In his city, inside of Israel, because he spoke Arabic. They actually changed the code on the door and he actually was exposed to a bomb landing nearby. Because he wasn't allowed in a bunker because he's Palestinian, even though he's a citizen of Israel.

• 37:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  That tells you something. And again, it doesn't characterize the entire state.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Right.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  But there are absolutely people with decision-making power that are pushing this agenda.

• 37:14Speaker 05

  I mean, well, look at this mute, that mutant Ben Gavir, you know, his party is the Jewish power party, man. If I was like, hey, guys, I'm joining the new party, this new party I'm creating. It's called White Power Party.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 05

  That's gonna be looked at as like, yo, relax, dude. What the fuck's going on? Right?

• 37:31Speaker 05

  It's incredible, like, because.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  Jews for, you know, during in Europe got fucking annihilated, right? It was horrible. So I would assume at least like you'd have some affection and some like care about people who are not you, who are not your religion. You wouldn't be interested in wiping them out. And again, I'm not saying all of Israelis are like that, but the people that you said are in power. Right. The, the war cabinet, Ben Yehudin is, is coalition are very much about that.

• 38:09Speaker 05

  I just think they would, you would have a little bit more sensitivity to that, to where like, we should be able to live with these people in a relative peace, work together to, you know, root out the bad actors and stuff like that. But what they're just doing, like just going into Gaza, bulldozing Gaza, taking more settlements in the West Bank. It's like, dude, if I live there and I was Palestinian, what the fuck you, what is anyone doing, man? Like you see your family dying and stuff like that. I'm picking up a fucking AK too.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, look at Hezbollah, you know, people say like, oh, Hezbollah, it came out of nowhere. It was this crazy organization, which yeah, again, have to qualify. It's a terrible organization that did a lot of violence, but where did it come from? Israel invaded Lebanon on June 6th, 1982. Then there was resistance. Israel was getting their asses handed to them in Beirut. Ariel Sharon had called on the United States to come support them. The United States sent the multinational forces to there, to Lebanon. The Marines went there, the French went there, the Italians went there. And two years later, or one year later, the bombings on those barracks occurred by these different groups. Some were controlled by Syrians and you know, you can get into the long history of all this. Hezbollah didn't exist till 1985. There was no Hezbollah in 1982 when Israel invaded.

• 39:28Speaker 04

  And even then Hezbollah was very small. Then you look at 2006, when Israel invaded Lebanon again, the 30 day war there. Hezbollah tripled in size after that, and they gained 12 seats in parliament after Israel left Lebanon. Right. So you have this, this, this kind of weird thing where there's a Israeli action, a military action that causes, as you said, people there suddenly change the way they think about things and say, you know what? I don't like this. I'm going to resist this. I didn't do this before, but because they're they're threatening my homeland, you better believe them to pick up a weapon and defend my village. Doesn't matter whose bomb it belongs to, you know, where that came from, like, I just don't want these people here. And that behavior continues to generate resistance that didn't exist. It did not exist before.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  You know, and it's it's a very short sighted way of going after these conflicts, just like in Iran, just like in Gaza and West Bank. It's like, oh, let's hurt them today. And that's all that matters. And it doesn't seem or feel like they're thinking twenty and thirty years in the in the future about what what does this do to even our country, to Israel, for example? In two thousand eighteen, they passed the Jewish purity law that says that it's a purely Jewish state. And there's no other religion recognized or all that. If you read the the article, it's very crazy to read. But do I mean, that article is threatened by what they're doing right now. Twenty-five percent of their citizens are Palestinian, twenty-two percent. What about those people? How will they feel? You know, especially if they're shut out of bunkers today, they're not going to forget that.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  And their families won't forget that, you know, like that is that is an idea that lives for a very long time and is not forgotten. And I feel like people need to think more about the future, like, what does this mean down the road? Okay.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  What's the second and third order effect, not on just us, but on the region and on the greater world area, you know? And I'm kind of rambling on about that, but it just kind of blows my mind.

• 41:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think we don't think about it, even like, even with, like, in the US with when we went into Iraq, Afghanistan. Um, we didn't think about the blowback, right? We didn't. We didn't go into it thinking like, you know, we made bad decisions. We didn't think about the, you know, de-bathification, what blowback that would look like. Uh, destabilizing an entire region that did bring on like, you know, from two thousand three on, when you get rid of Saddam. Iran, Iran had, was able to like fill the vacuum.

• 41:48Speaker 05

  Right? And cause a civil war in Iraq because it's majority Shia, right? In Iraq? Yeah. I mean, so I'm sure there are smart people in our government. Obviously there are, right? I've met a bunch of them and it's like when I meet them, guys like you or like other people who are like, all right, these guys are fucking locked in like they, you know, thank God, like they choose to do something of service rather than make triple or quadruple the money they can make outside somewhere else using their smarts.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  But it's just seems so often that the people in power don't listen to them. Don't listen to the, the people that are like the actual subject matter experts that know, and then you're game this out. It's their whole job. And when they tell them like clear as day, like these leaders don't listen. And it's, and

• 42:37Speaker 05

  what kind of leadership is that? I don't know.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's political decisions that are being made without policy information. You know, I don't know if you saw that Tulsi Gabbard came out again and said basically the

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• 44:14Speaker 04

  The regime did not have a nuclear weapon. Basically saying the same thing we've been saying since 2003 when we first put out that very first memo that said Iran stopped doing their nuclear program for weaponization. And apparently she's getting sidelined because she said that.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Which is, it just, actually, when I heard that, I was thinking about the Abraham Lincoln period, when his advisors were picked purposely in opposition to each other and to him, so that way they could come out with a, like, have a synthesis outcome for a policy debate, where like, "I don't agree with you, but what if we get a better outcome because we disagree?" We actually sit down and listen to it, we talk through it, and come out with option C. And that is so the opposite of what's going on now. And I remember during the first administration, the president actually stopped reading the daily CIA, the president's daily brief. And that's amazing, because that information is the most pure, accurate, up-to-date information. Intelligence is never perfect. It's gotten certainty built into it.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  But if you want the ground truth as close as possible to the truth, you can't ignore that stuff. And if your entire intelligence community is telling you, "Hey, it's not the way it's being told to you by these foreign interests, AKA Israel, maybe you should take a second look at it." But instead, you can see a political decision is being made rather than an informed decision. That political decision or emotional decision is based on individual thought rather than constructive, sitting down at the table and kind of like game planning. I hope that happens today at the NSC. I hope generals come in, the IC comes in, the ODNI comes in, they all sit down and kind of work through this and pick the option that makes the most sense for the United States and for the world. Because people forget we are a world power, even if if someone wants to be isolationist, okay.

• 45:52Speaker 04

  But you can't change the fact that we are actually affecting every corner of this earth right now and will be for a very long time.

• 45:58Speaker 05

  Right.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  And our actions have far reaching consequences for everybody, including ourselves.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. Yeah, and you can't just decouple from being, you know, a world power, like an economic world power, right? Like, we make sure the trains run on time. We're a huge consumer of goods too, like. So, yeah, exactly. It's not like overnight. You could just flip the switch. The interesting thing about the NSC is like, how many people are left, you know? It's probably like nine people in there, you know, like.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:25Speaker 05

  Um. I just really hope there are some policy wonks in there, some analysts who are like sobering analysts who are like, listen, we don't know what this is gonna happen, you know? And you know, mentioned that the resistance group that most likely is gonna have, gonna be able to like, you know, be the if there's a vacuum in Iran, like they're probably gonna take it over.

• 46:47Speaker 04

  It's possible that Israel tries to push the Shah's son into.

• 46:51Speaker 05

  I did see him. He's doing TV hits and stuff like that. Yeah.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, which, again, looking back, we've done that twice already. And both times it worked out badly. And this time, I don't think it will be any different. Um. Nothing against him. The problem is, he's been so out of it since the eighties. He has not been involved vocal, you know, there. There's no unified opposition besides the Mujahideen in the country and outside the country. And most of the Iranians that fled during the revolution didn't go back.

• 47:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:21Speaker 04

  There's a disconnect between these two sets of Iranians. Without that unification, there's probably going to be some kind of chaos right afterward or for a long period of time.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  Weren't we also trying to do this with the guy in Iraq who was out of the country for like however thirty years or whatever?

• 47:38Speaker 04

  You mean Ahmed Shalabi?

• 47:39Speaker 05

  Yes, yeah.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  So he was actually working for the Iranian government, which actually came out afterward. He was like a full fledged Iranian agent and we we brought him in and he was the dude that said that, oh, there's definitely nukes. There's definitely all this stuff. There's these refrigerator trucks driving around with chemical weapons. Uh, and then we put him in power immediately as soon as we overthrew the government, which he got what he wanted, right?

• 47:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 04

  And then we eventually pushed him away, but. I mean, something very similar could happen again.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  Right. Oh, man. Uh. So, yeah, listen, my fingers are crossed, you know, I hope like. It's just insane because Trump is so unpredictable and like day to day it seems to change. And I really hope there is a general in there or somebody. There's no national security advisor. I mean, it's Rubio, but how he can, how can you be the secretary of state and national security advisor?

• 48:28Speaker 04

  He's also in charge of the archives, by the way. He's got three hats.

• 48:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's gnarly to me.

• 48:36Speaker 05

  And you know, I saw another report too where like Trump's been talking with Lindsey Graham like all the time, like Lindsey Graham is a proper fucking ghoul demon. I'll say it, bro. And it's not because he's a Republican, because Fetterman is also a ghoul demon.

• 48:51Speaker 05

  It's just, it's just not smart. It's not strategic. It's not at all. Like, it's just like, you guys have a serious job. Senators, right? You have a ser-, there's only a hundred of you. It's a serious job. It's a sobering job. You should take it seriously about going into another country or bombing another country. That it might not even work. If I'm Iran and they bomb.

• 49:14Speaker 05

  What's the name of the frog, Frog though?

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Fordow.

• 49:17Speaker 05

  Fordow, sorry.

• 49:20Speaker 05

  I am tripling my efforts to get a nuclear weapon.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:24Speaker 05

  Right?

• 49:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  There's a reason why they they get him is because it's regime security. McMorroy says, he's like, you could be Libya, like Gaddafi who gave him up. Or try and be North Korea. The guy's there for one reason and one reason is because he's got nuclear weapons.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  Man, I don't know. It's gonna be an interesting few weeks for sure. This Israeli campaign, they said it's gonna last at least weeks. I mean, I could see it being completely indefinite.

• 49:55Speaker 05

  Any final thoughts?

• 49:57Speaker 04

  Well, my thought is about the Iranian people. Because almost every Iranian that you meet is anti-regime. There's a very, very tiny minority of people in the country that actually support the regime and most of them are government employees. You know, let's say 80 million of these people hate the regime. That does not mean that they want the regime just eliminated period without an exit strategy. They like, there needs to be a way that the people who actually live there have a positive outcome.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  Right.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  That's, that should really be the top priority in this situation, not just destroying this alleged nuclear bomb that exists somewhere. Instead, it should be, let's get regional security and regional peace by, by looking at the people that will be affected by our choices in those countries. And just today, CNN finally showed footage from inside Iran. That was the very first Western media outlet I saw where there's actually an American journalist walking around inside Tehran showing you. And of course, the regime is behind them and the regime is controlling what they see for sure. But the destruction that's there is destruction that's there. It is not made up. It's not staged.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's not production design. Yeah.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Exactly. It's not a set. So if you look at the Israeli side, though, how much media coverage is there of inside Tel Aviv right now? Oh, my God, 24 hours a day, right? I saw an advertisement. It said, please send $45 to us because Iran is bombing Israel. Israel needs your $45. I mean, this, there are people making money off this.

• 51:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  And it's, it's sickening to think like you're putting children and women and husbands and, and all these people at risk in both countries and all the countries. Because you're, you are helps, like not you, but you know, some people are so short sighted and so self centered on the situation. They don't understand that this is going to have a negative impact on you. You know?

• 51:38Speaker 05

  Right. And for generations, man, like I was listening to some podcasts with a former, uh, former deputy NSA for Kamala Harris. I forget the guy's name. Anyway, it was around foreign affairs. And he said, he's like, we don't know what like, you know, the next 20 or 30 years are going to look like because it's such a disaster in there like, and it's so, and I'm obviously paraphrasing because I'm not as well spoken as this dude, but it just doing this like into the unknown, right? Like, we didn't know that ISIS was going to come about when we went into Iraq. Right? We had no idea. And like, sure, there were jihadis in Iraq before we went in.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  But AQI was not a thing.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Didn't exist.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Right. Um, so it's just the blowback is incredible. Also, like the, in, in cross Africa, the fundamental, you know, the jihad is, are, it's proliferated to an extent where it's like un- almost unbelievable to think about.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  I mean, look at the French. They're like, oh, we did Operation Serval. We, we fixed the problem. And then you look fast forward to now, and it is so widespread across the Sahel, Maghreb region. There, there were some effects for sure, but it's morphed into something else. You go to Nigeria right now. I mean, like you, you are in danger at risk from these groups. All across the continent, especially in the central Sahel region. And that wasn't an accident or didn't come out of cold cloth. That was because conditions were set inadvertently by outside action that, that led to these groups expanding.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, man, it's really scary. I mean, I want to be like locked into my fucking phone and, and Twitter over the next, like forever. I mean, it, and it feels like the last couple of days, just to end on this, like, it feels like the last few days, especially it's been like a waiting game. Super on edge. It's like, I'm, I'm like, literally my thought, my head is like, all right, I'm going to refresh Twitter. And I'm going to see, oh yeah, US bombs. Fuck, uh, what's this say? What's it called, bro?

• 53:40Speaker 04

  Fordow.

• 53:41Speaker 05

  Fordow, sorry. Fordow, you know, um, and you'll see like the rest of the people fricking, you know, celebrating like we've done something like we, you know, like it's V day.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Or V day, you know what I mean? Like,

• 53:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:54Speaker 05

  Um, all right, Jonathan, I want you guys to go and check out first off Jonathan's episode on the team house. Really cool, interesting military career. Very different than most Marines. Uh, one of my favorite episodes of the recent, in recent history, in recent times of the team house. His book Theory of a Regular Warfare, that's out now. People can get that right now. And, uh, other book that's coming out, Iran Shadow Weapons, which goes into like all their covert action and, and, uh, you know, Hezbollah, like all the stuff that they do. Uh, that's coming out soon, right?

• 54:29Speaker 04

  Yep, it's coming out in, uh, September.

• 54:31Speaker 05

  Okay. So I'm going to put links in the description. Make sure everybody grabs and pre-orders the new book. John's a good egg. Uh, really fun time. We should definitely do this again, John. This was awesome.

• 54:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, love to.

• 54:42Speaker 05

  Anything else? I'm trying to think. I'm doing the housekeeping. Oh, if you want to support the show, you can get the Team House and Eyes on Geopolitics completely ad-free and early. You can go to patreon.com/the Team House. Of course, the rest of the guys, all their links are in the description. You can check them out there. And yeah, John, this is great, bro. Thank you.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, thanks. I appreciate it.

• 55:03Jack Murphy?

  Hey, guys. It's Jack. I just want to talk to you for a moment about how you can support the show. If you've been watching it, enjoying it, but you'd like to get a little bit more involved and help us continue to do this, you can check out our Patreon. It is patreon.com/the Team House. And for $5 a month, you can get access to all of these episodes of the Team House ad-free. The same goes with our affiliated podcast Eyes on with Andy Milburn, Jason Lyons, McMulroy. That one, you will also get all of those episodes ad-free. And you support the channel and the show, and we really appreciate it. The Patreon members are literally what has helped this company, this small business survive, especially during our early years.

• 55:48Jack Murphy?

  And you are what continues to help this thing going, even as we navigate the turbulent world of YouTube advertising. So we really appreciate all of you guys. There's going to be a link down in the description to that Patreon page. And there is also going to be a link to our new merch shop. So if you guys want to go and get some Team House merchandise, we got stickers, and we also have patches. And I should mention, if you sign up for Patreon at $10 a month, we will mail you this patch as well. So we really appreciate that. But they're also for sale on the merch shop. And additionally, they got t-shirts up there, water bottles, a tote bag, coffee mugs, all that good stuff. So please go and check them

• 56:34Speaker 06

  And support the show. We really appreciate it, guys. Thank you.

• 56:40Speaker 06

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 56:55Jack Murphy?

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 57:06Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

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• 57:17Speaker 06

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 58:28Jack Murphy?

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 58:39Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

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• 58:50Speaker 06

  So join us and hear their stories and more. Because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today.

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At The Table, the food allergy podcast. A show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:00:02Jack Murphy?

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant. So I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic. In a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:00:13Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

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• 1:00:24Speaker 06

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• 1:01:35Jack Murphy?

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:01:46Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:01:51Speaker 07

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:01:57Speaker 06

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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