Bryan Johnson | Club Random with Bill Maher

Longevity guru Bryan Johnson (DON’T DIE is the #1 doc on Netflix) sits down with Bill for a great talk about whether it’s possible to live forever, anti-aging science, Bryan’s rigid routine that includes very controlled diet, sleep, and data-driven health interventions. Bill discusses his healthy routines while drinking and smoking and the guys differ on how much sacrifice is worth the potential gain. Also, stay tuned for Bryan’s “Johnson” measuring device during sleep, the importance of figuring out the actual age of your organs for longevity, how Bryan navigates his strict diet while out to dinner, and much, much more! Go to https://www. RadioactiveMedia.com or text RANDOM at 511511 to save up to 50%, today! Go to https://www.zbiotics.com/RANDOM to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use RANDOM Get 250 Casino Spins on a featured game with promo code RANDOM at https://www.goldennuggetcasino.com Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/random #rulapod #ad Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Watch Club Random on YouTube: https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I certainly understand your perspective.

• 1:06Speaker 01

  Understand where you're coming from.

• 1:07Bill Maher?

  How diplomatic, Brian.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  I know I'm gonna die by the most ridiculous thing possible. It is, it is.

• 1:15Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Yes. Like, how can that not be true?

• 1:22Bill Maher?

  Ryan?

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Yes?

• 1:24Bill Maher?

  Bill Maher.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  Hey, Bill.

• 1:25Bill Maher?

  Major from across the room. How are you?

• 1:28Speaker 01

  I'm great.

• 1:29Bill Maher?

  Been reading a lot.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Nice to see you.

• 1:31Bill Maher?

  That's what I hear. Been reading a lot about you. You all right?

• 1:34Speaker 01

  I'm great.

• 1:35Bill Maher?

  You look a little tired.

• 1:38Bill Maher?

  Are you okay? You coming down or something?

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I'm all right.

• 1:41Bill Maher?

  You are?

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42Bill Maher?

  Okay, good. Can I get you a drink?

• 1:45Speaker 01

  There's quite a few things I have.

• 1:47Bill Maher?

  You want tequila?

• 1:49Speaker 01

  You know, your team made me a ginger and lemon tea, which is delicious.

• 1:53Bill Maher?

  What about tequila?

• 1:55Speaker 01

  It looks great.

• 1:55Bill Maher?

  You wanna live forever?

• 1:56Speaker 01

  It looks great on display.

• 1:57Bill Maher?

  Oh, wait. You are the guy who does wanna live forever. I'm sorry. That's the pot talking.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  What will you be drinking?

• 2:03Bill Maher?

  Tequila. I don't wanna... Well, I'd love to, but not at the price of... Well, let's get into that, because that's... Now, you're 47. You look 19. I... So, something's working. I mean, not a human 19, but 19.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, all right.

• 2:19Bill Maher?

  No, you look good. But honestly, I've never met you before.

• 2:27Bill Maher?

  I always say with age, you can shave off a certain, I'm gonna be sixty-nine in a week. I probably look a little younger because, you know, I owe it all to clean liquor. No, I don't drink very much, really just tear.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47Bill Maher?

  But, you know, is it worth shaving, you know, ten years off? You don't think you're gonna actually be immortal, right?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  What are you doing for your sixty-ninth birthday party?

• 3:00Bill Maher?

  Nothing, I'm done with birthday parties.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Really?

• 3:03Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  So nothing's happening?

• 3:04Bill Maher?

  I hope not, I mean, because I just don't think it's anything to celebrate anymore.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:11Bill Maher?

  You know, I don't really wanna be reminded of it, I only look forward.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  What does sixty-nine feel like?

• 3:17Bill Maher?

  That's a great question, because it certainly doesn't feel like what I thought it would from watching my father, who was two years short of dead at sixty-nine. But even when he was fifty, I remember him, you know, we had a peach basket on the driveway to shoot baskets as kids do, and, you know, I'd be shooting, he'd come out and like throw up two shots, and oh, my arm hurts, he'd run three steps and be out of breath.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:46Bill Maher?

  And I played basketball, not like with the Lakers, but, you know, games. Okay, against girls, but, you know, girls are good now.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, and now?

• 3:57Bill Maher?

  What?

• 3:57Speaker 01

  And now, do you still play?

• 3:58Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm saying, my sixty-nine is definitely not my father's sixty-nine.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:04Bill Maher?

  But when I play a long game or pickleball, I must say like for a few days after, I feel it.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  You feel it?

• 4:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but, I mean, Christ, they talk about professional athletes who feel it, and I, you know, they play obviously a rougher version, and amazing what elite athletes do, but, you know, you hear them talk about football players and basketball players, the announcers are like, and he's thirty-four and he's still doing it. Thirty-four and he's still doing it, that's what's amazing about that play, he's thirty-four.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  It's so true, yeah.

• 4:39Bill Maher?

  Which is kinda crazy.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  It's kinda crazy, yeah, it is.

• 4:41Bill Maher?

  But, but I guess the question, everything I've read that you do, look, I do a lot of stuff people think is nuts.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 4:53Bill Maher?

  You know, no bread.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Why don't you do bread?

• 4:58Bill Maher?

  Bread's bad.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  Bread's bad, okay, I agree.

• 5:00Bill Maher?

  Wheat and.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree. Like, it doesn't hit the threshold that it should be included. It's not good enough.

• 5:05Bill Maher?

  Especially the way we've bastardized it. The way we raise it now, put it in silos, which it gets fungacy and stuff, you know.

• 5:17Bill Maher?

  Oh, they definitely think I'm medically nuts.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:20Bill Maher?

  I also take like many, many supplements a day. I know you. How many do you take?

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Uh, it's like forty or fifty now.

• 5:27Bill Maher?

  Oh, I take more than that.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  You take more than me, yeah.

• 5:29Bill Maher?

  Well, probably around that number, but some, I guess some twice a day.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:33Bill Maher?

  But, you know, and it's not crazy stuff. They're not vitamins. Vitamins, I think, as you get through food, no? You believe that?

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess. Depends on which ones, yes.

• 5:43Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's not just what you put into your body. It's what your body can then use and metabolize. Or it doesn't contradict, you know? Some things contradict, like calcium and iron, right?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you share your health practices publicly? Do people know you do these things?

• 6:01Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:02Bill Maher?

  I mean, over the years on my show, does this issue come up? Of course. Of health in general, certainly COVID. They didn't, the woke did not like me during COVID. I get the feeling.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  You took a lot of heat.

• 6:16Bill Maher?

  Out there today, now, this is right after we had the fire. And some people are just thrilled that there's another reason to wear a mask.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  I see. Anything to bring it back.

• 6:27Bill Maher?

  Come on.

• 6:30Bill Maher?

  No, the first thing I said the first week, right before they took us off and I had to actually film the show here in my backyard for six months. That was so smart, was the three S's. This is how you take sugar, stress, sleep. Take care of that. And, you know, I never thought it was gonna get me. It never did until I got the vaccine. And then I got it three weeks later. I'm not anti-vax. I'm just saying, I don't think it's a one size fits all, as many people have that point of view, and some people don't, and we can be reasonable and talk about that. But there are pathogens where I would fight you for the vaccine. Do you agree with that?

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I am a proponent of vaccines generally. I'm glad the vaccine didn't.

• 7:18Bill Maher?

  What about the COVID one?

• 7:21Bill Maher?

  You got it?

• 7:22Speaker 01

  I did, but I regret getting it.

• 7:24Bill Maher?

  Yeah, me too. Exactly. I got it because I had to to continue my life. And I do not like being coerced like that.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was. Well, I guess it was complicated because the government's role is to share data. It's not to sway your opinion. And in that moment, they were swaying opinion and not providing data.

• 7:45Bill Maher?

  And squelching opinion?

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:47Bill Maher?

  Not swaying is one thing. I'm OK with swaying. I sway here a lot.

• 7:55Bill Maher?

  I sway both ways on a good night. But but not squelching. This is exactly what Zuckerberg.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Was just talking about?

• 8:03Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, revealing what happened behind the scenes.

• 8:06Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  All the maneuvering and the cover up.

• 8:08Bill Maher?

  I think his quote was they were screaming at us or calling up and screaming at us to take off stuff that was provably true.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:17Bill Maher?

  You that's.

• 8:21Bill Maher?

  I need a drink, Brian. I need a drink.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Can I can I?

• 8:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Softly try to persuade you to not do that?

• 8:30Bill Maher?

  Drink?

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Is that alcohol?

• 8:32Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Well, no, that's that's sparkling water.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  But this is alcohol?

• 8:37Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's fucking alcohol.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:39Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I know.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Can I softly try to persuade you to?

• 8:41Bill Maher?

  Brian, I'm 69. Give me a break. You don't think I weighed the pros and cons?

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I know. It's poison. There's a there used to be a skull and crossbones on the bottle. I'm aware. I'm making a adult choice.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:57Bill Maher?

  Life is all trade offs.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:58Bill Maher?

  Right?

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:59Bill Maher?

  This is my trade off.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:01Bill Maher?

  I don't want you. You go to bed at 8:30? I'd rather be dead.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. OK, so.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Everyone's laughing.

• 9:14Bill Maher?

  At you.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  All right.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  No, you're not.

• 9:21Bill Maher?

  What?

• 9:21Speaker 01

  You're gonna, what is that?

• 9:23Bill Maher?

  Have you never seen this show?

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, but I didn't realize with me. What do you have in there called up?

• 9:30Bill Maher?

  It's a heroin and fentanyl. No, it's fucking pot. What do you think? It's, it's, you're not gonna die from being in the room with it.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:38Bill Maher?

  I'll try to, does it really bother you?

• 9:40Speaker 01

  No, it's fine.

• 9:41Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 9:42Speaker 01

  It's fine.

• 9:42Bill Maher?

  I mean, what are we gonna lose? Like 10 minutes off your life so you don't live to 1,000? How old do you think you can live to? What's your, what's your goal? 150? Ever, forever?

• 9:54Speaker 01

  I mean, this is,

• 9:58Speaker 01

  this is the essence of what I'm doing. And this is why I think that people don't understand. Like, when, when people see what I'm doing, they don't know what words to use or what concepts to, to construct. And so they just vomit. They say like Patrick Bateman vampire Prometheus fuckface billionaire. Like, they just-

• 10:17Bill Maher?

  Not me.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 10:18Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  You've, you've dunked on me quite a bit.

• 10:20Bill Maher?

  I have?

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:22Bill Maher?

  I don't remember ever dunking on you.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. There was a few clips, I mean, I'm, I'm cool with it. Like, I'm good. Yeah, there were a few clips where I think you jumped in on the dunking.

• 10:30Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, maybe a new rule or a monologue joke or something. Yeah, okay, well, I'm a comedian. I mean, it, it, it's some funny stuff.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  And that's it, it's all good.

• 10:38Bill Maher?

  But like, if I really was against what you were doing as opposed to actually admiring it, I hope you perfect it.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:44Bill Maher?

  Go dude.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:45Bill Maher?

  Just, just, you know, I gotta get a version where I don't go to bed at 8:30.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, here's, here's a thought experiment I would give you. Let's imagine we travel in time and we're hanging out with Homo erectus. That's a million years ago. And so the cutting edge technology at that time-

• 11:01Bill Maher?

  Not in West Hollywood.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Is an axe.

• 11:04Bill Maher?

  What?

• 11:05Speaker 01

  That's, that's their technology. They're like, the bleeding edge technology the Homo erectus has is an axe.

• 11:10Bill Maher?

  A million years ago, they had that? They had an axe?

• 11:12Speaker 01

  An axe, yeah.

• 11:13Bill Maher?

  No, they didn't.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  They did.

• 11:14Bill Maher?

  Not a million years ago.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:16Bill Maher?

  That's a tool.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  Right? I mean, sure, like, tool, something, it's technology.

• 11:22Bill Maher?

  Okay, but not, an axe, what we think of as an axe came out in the Iron Age. We're, we're talking many, many millennia later.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, so like, of like a-

• 11:32Bill Maher?

  A stone tool.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:34Bill Maher?

  Yes, we did have tool.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:35Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't mean to insinuate metal.

• 11:39Bill Maher?

  Well, well, you did, sir.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, a stone axe. And so let's just say you're having a conversation with them. They first, they, you know, they're struggling with language. And you pose the question to them and you say, yeah, you just, this guy, I tested this guy out. It works.

• 11:57Bill Maher?

  I know, I just want this one to work.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Keep on.

• 12:00Bill Maher?

  Zip a lighter, I talk about it every week, I'm not gonna. But go ahead, yeah?

• 12:06Speaker 01

  I mean, there's two over here, too, yep.

• 12:08Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Four options.

• 12:10Bill Maher?

  We're making sure I get high, trust me.

• 12:14Bill Maher?

  Go ahead. I want to know about this.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:18Bill Maher?

  So, but again, not an axe, a crude stone tool, but a tool.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so they're, you know, they don't really have well-formed language. Maybe they've got some ability to draw pictures on the wall and they have some kind of primitive characteristics. And now we have some way to communicate and we say, "Tell me why the future is exciting. Tell me what there is to live for."

• 12:43Bill Maher?

  Do you really even think people of that era thought in those terms as opposed to day by day?

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Exactly. So like, you're exactly right.

• 12:51Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  So like, their mental models of reality, they could say, well, we forage, we fight, we fuck. I think they have these general concepts of reality and then you say, what, what does the future bring? And maybe they speak about tomorrow only, like tomorrow's the only concept. They don't speak about years or months or years.

• 13:07Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Right, but they have.

• 13:08Bill Maher?

  Maybe the next moon.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 13:11Bill Maher?

  Or even yearly because certainly they noticed days getting shorter, which freaked them out. The reason why Christmas is December 25th is because it's modeled on the pagan holiday of the same day, which is the first day of the year that primitive people noticed the days were getting longer, so it was a big celebration.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, so let's just say like, they have these primitive models of whatever they're constructing for reality.

• 13:37Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Now, in that moment, Homo erectus is blind, of course, to concepts like atoms, the microscopic world of atoms, molecules, like germs. It's blind to this concept that we have the ability to create a little white pill, these swallow it, takes care of infection. They have blindness to the ability to have technology like silicon fabrication. So they're, they're blind to like 99.9% of our current reality.

• 14:01Bill Maher?

  Let's not rub it in. Come on, they were cavemen. What are we, what are we bigging ourselves up, saying how stupid they were? No, I take your point.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the legitimate question I'm proposing right now is that we, just like Homo erectus, we have models of reality. You have models of reality, how long you live, how well you're gonna live, what you want to do with your time. And so you have this well-constructed world that Bill has created in 68 years of time.

• 14:27Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  And so you can, you sit down and you tell me with confidence, like, Brian, I'm not gonna go to bed, like, my life is, I would rather die before I go to bed at 8:30 because...

• 14:36Bill Maher?

  I see your point.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Okay, so, the que, here's a question for you.

• 14:39Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  On the eve of giving birth to superintelligence.

• 14:45Bill Maher?

  AI?

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:46Bill Maher?

  Uh-huh.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  And whether you think it's gonna happen in a year, five years, 10 years, like, whatever, it's pretty soon, and it's reasonable to imagine it's probably gonna change our reality beyond our ability to comprehend.

• 14:58Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  So, given that, it's possible, possible, that we are as primitive as a caveman.

• 15:06Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  That the ideas we have of ourselves, of the world, of life, of what consciousness could be, are all idiotic.

• 15:14Bill Maher?

  It's certainly that way on TikTok.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:18Bill Maher?

  These kids today, don't get me started, no. No, you're absolutely right. I mean, the real, I'm always amazed that the world is still here, that with all the stupidity, that we somehow don't blow ourselves up, and we have the weapons to do it, and the stupidity, and, and faith, and, you know, people believing in just crazy shit, and, not just believing, but like, the super is kind of doubling down.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  It is.

• 15:44Bill Maher?

  And yet, we still are here.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  It is mayhem out there.

• 15:48Bill Maher?

  Well, yeah, civilization is just an inch deep. It's, you, you rip off the least little, you know, when the cops decide not to show up.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:59Bill Maher?

  You know, it's just, it's that, you're...

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, order breaks down for like, 15 seconds.

• 16:04Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Right, I totally agree. So, the question for you was like, is like, are we on the eve of what could be the most extraordinary experience of conscious existence that's ever happened in this part of the galaxy, like, on a galactic scale?

• 16:20Bill Maher?

  That we can't know.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Is...

• 16:21Bill Maher?

  Well, we don't, can't know what they are doing out in the galactics.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Thing is, I think...

• 16:27Bill Maher?

  Or if there is even other life.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  This is the thing, I think it is worth gambling.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Forgoing temporary pleasure that may accelerate aging, disease, and death, so that we can have an opportunity to say, could this be the coolest thing to ever happen to in total life?

• 16:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I get your point. I mean, it's a better point to be made at this moment in history because

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:54Bill Maher?

  if you made it 100 years ago, I mean, we were a zillion miles, we didn't even have computers, from ever reaching immortality.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:04Bill Maher?

  That's not really the case. I've said jokingly before, I don't mind dying, I just don't want to be the last guy.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:11Bill Maher?

  Like, right after me, they got it.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  What would you do?

• 17:15Bill Maher?

  And that is kind of the part. That's one reason for your argument to say, you know what, just cool it with the pot and the liquor.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:22Bill Maher?

  And I really don't even do that much, but, okay. Because, you know what, you're gonna thank yourselves in 10 years when you just bought eternity.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, Bill.

• 17:31Bill Maher?

  Okay, I mean, that's a bet, but I'm not gonna take it. No, I'm not, because, you know, also, Brian, look, the last thing I want you to have happen to you is get hit by a bus tomorrow. I'm telling you, if it happens, I would take no joy in it, but

• 17:47Speaker 01

  You'd also do a segment on it, though.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Let's be real. And you don't feel like, I give you full permission. Like, I know I'm gonna die by the most ridiculous thing possible. It is, it is.

• 17:59Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Yes. Like, how can that not be true?

• 18:02Bill Maher?

  Well, because irony.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  I mean, irony always wins.

• 18:05Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  And so, like, how can that not be true?

• 18:08Bill Maher?

  You know what also always wins is not really being able to figure out what you think you might have figured out.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 18:18Bill Maher?

  Life has that kind of way of doing it. I'm with you. Whatever you think. So that's why I keep smoking pot and drinking a little bit. Because, like, you know, and I take, look, I admire you greatly. That, you know, I like anybody who's a pioneer, you know, pushing the envelope in an area that I am intently interested in. I do not want to die. Some people do. I've heard a lot of people say that, oh, and I always say, you know, when you're 80, trust me, you'll want to be 81. So don't fucking slough off on 80.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Yes. So that's, so you get this, I mean.

• 18:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but not every, some people feel like, no, if I'm not at my peak. You know, and there are passive suicides. You know, people who just, they don't really commit suicide, but they just, you have to want to live. Yeah. If you don't, and you can kind of slowly kill yourself, and you know you're doing it, you just don't care. It's like, yeah, but this is my pleasure now. And, you know, that also has to be respected. Everybody's different. Yeah.

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• 19:46Bill Maher?

  Um, but, so let's go through your routine. Um, you know, when I, you asked me before, what do I do that people think is crazy? I mean, that was one thing, whatever I said, I forgot because I smoked pot. Another one is, I eat, I ground garlic. Yeah. Like raw garlic in a grinder and, and make a big gob of it, and I hate garlic. And I put it like, I've got a big wad, like, and take it like a pill. Yeah. So I just swallow it because I don't like it. Yeah. And some, like, sometimes it makes you like, really nauseous. Every day? For two minutes. Yes. It doesn't make me nauseous every, I know what I can eat it with where it almost never does, but people think that's weird.

• 20:31Bill Maher?

  I jump on a trampoline every day, people think that's weird. I mean, there's just a lot of things that I've read and talked to doctors, doctors of Western, Eastern, like, I'll believe, I'll not believe, I'll listen to anybody who I think has something to say, and it is not always from conventional medicine. That's why I'm kind of like in the crosshairs of those kind of people who just... From my point of view, they're scared. You know, there's nothing scarier than dying. So they just wanna believe, like with religion, that there's this priesthood of men and women in white coats who have all the answers. And just, just whatever they say, just do that. Don't even ask questions.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:11Bill Maher?

  And I don't believe that. I've, I've, I've found that out the hard way.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 21:15Bill Maher?

  Through my own life, that, you know, and of course, it's so obvious because doctors always say themselves, get a second opinion.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:22Bill Maher?

  Well, that tells me, A, it's an opinion.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:25Bill Maher?

  And, and it's not the only one.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Come on, doc, yeah.

• 21:28Bill Maher?

  So, you know, you gotta really, in my view, be your own best advocate. And I am. One of the smartest things I ever did at a time in my life when I was not doing any, many smart things was from 19 on, I kept a fairly detailed log of every malady that came my way, every medication I took. That's not a normal thing.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  And you still have those logs?

• 21:53Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you, you've been structurally on this since teenage years?

• 22:01Bill Maher?

  I learned a lot of stuff along the way that I certainly didn't in that first 10 years. If you asked me in my twenties if antibiotics had any deleterious effect, I would have said, I never heard that. Which to me is like, basic information that antibiotics, of course, they mostly work on what they're supposed to work for. But they also have a very bad side effect. You really don't wanna ever take them.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:25Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's right in the title, anti-life.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:29Bill Maher?

  Um, I don't think I knew that in my twenties. I mean, you learn everything at a certain moment of your life and it, it's not all right at once when you get out of high school.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  When you look back at your former self, at your, your twenties self, does that version of you make sense to you now? Is it still cohesive or does it?

• 22:44Bill Maher?

  Oh, God. I mean, he's such an idiot and was making so many unforced errors. I've said it before on this show. As, as much as it would be great to be young again, I wouldn't do it if I had to be in that head again. Cause I know that stupid head causes so much pain. And I don't cause myself really hardly any pain now. You know, the only pain I'm gonna get is like, you know, at some point you are, your body is gonna probably break down unless you come up with the answer, Brian, and I certainly hope you share it with your friends, now that we're friends. And I take back every bad joke I ever did, I'm gonna wipe them off the

• 23:24Speaker 01

  You did a pretty good job with the jokes.

• 23:26Bill Maher?

  You know what, sometimes you just gotta go where the joke is. Unless, unless it's actually something that I really don't do, I, I, I throw away lots of good material, but I, I'm sorry, I don't believe in the premise, I don't believe that.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  I mean, there was, when I started doing this,

• 23:42Speaker 01

  I started sharing it, but I, I never in my wildest imagination imagined it would trigger this tsunami of hate. Like, that was not in my mental model. And so, when I saw these patterns emerge of how people do it, there would be very common takes, but I really learned to appreciate those with a really fine sense of humor, that they could find, they could find these lines that no one else could. Everyone else took to be very obvious ones, which was kind of like real lowbrow, but I really appreciated, like, you know, South Park, right, like, they, they really craft this

• 24:14Bill Maher?

  It's a compliment, that you rose to this level.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, I really

• 24:19Bill Maher?

  Absolutely. No, it is, it's an accomplishment.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  You did, you, you carved out some really nice spots, so I thought that's

• 24:24Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I don't think I would, but as to your first point about being surprised,

• 24:31Bill Maher?

  come on, man, this America, we're haters. And, and it says a lot about the psyche of this country, which would be better if they were healthier.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:41Bill Maher?

  Which is kind of ironic, that of course, no matter what you do, no matter how pure, no matter how rightly intended, no matter how much it doesn't hurt anybody else, it's all just fodder for the people who live on their phone, who live on the internet, who live to just shit on everything anybody else does, just because that, something they would never do in person.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:09Bill Maher?

  It's, it's sad, it really is, the psyche of America, or at least so much of it, is very sad, that's to me a huge indication of it, that we're gonna shit, I mean, why? What, how's it hurt you if this guy? Wants to try to

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:25Bill Maher?

  Push the envelope on longevity. If you could live longer and be healthy, wouldn't you?

• 25:30Speaker 01

  So sometimes I even lose my own place. There was someone who posted this yesterday on social media. He wrote this well thought out, reasonable critique of what I'm doing. You know, like he wrote down data and science and like, you know, this is like this and that. But a very thoughtful and kind assessment, but accurate. And the contrast just reminded me of the viciousness that I see every day. I just lose track that they

• 25:55Bill Maher?

  Horrible.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  It's I just forget sometimes like it is absolute warfare.

• 26:00Bill Maher?

  It's why I drink. Why I drink, Brian? And smoke and sniff glue and occasionally take fentanyl with ketamine. That's

• 26:11Speaker 01

  You know, ketamine was shown to slow the speed of aging. That was one of the

• 26:15Bill Maher?

  So is heroin.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Heroin does?

• 26:17Bill Maher?

  Oh, my God. You know, do you ever know a heroin addict? They look fantastic until they die.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  I've never seen data.

• 26:24Bill Maher?

  Kind of preserves you.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Interesting. I've never seen data on heroin. But ketamine, yeah, it was one of the highlights that it actually had data showing it slowed the speed of aging.

• 26:33Bill Maher?

  All right, well, Brian, don't take this the wrong way, but I'm very interested in your erections.

• 26:44Bill Maher?

  I've read a lot about your erection.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  I'm flattered.

• 26:46Bill Maher?

  And I really don't think that should happen. But no, is this, it's funny. One time I used to smoke for 20 years, which was the stupidest thing I ever did. Talking about how stupid you were back in the twenties. But I remember always trying to quit. And I went to the dentist once and he was brilliant. I only went away as a real asshole, but he scared me. And he was telling, you know, saying, you know, when you smoke, you're gonna get cancer in your gums. And you know that it affects your penis, the blood flow to your penis? I quit the next day.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:23Bill Maher?

  I went back, but it's like

• 27:27Bill Maher?

  it took that, the shot, what? Threw it right in the garden.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  That's why I talk about erections.

• 27:33Bill Maher?

  What about them?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  They, when, when you're assessing somebody's biological age, so somebody can be chronologically forty seven like me.

• 27:42Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  But you can have your heart, my heart is aged thirty seven on average. My, my left ear is sixty four, uh, my speed of aging.

• 27:51Bill Maher?

  Sixty four?

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Sixty four.

• 27:52Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I listened to loud music and shotguns as a kid.

• 27:56Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  So I.

• 27:56Bill Maher?

  At the same time?

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Yes. I mean, I'm just reckless. I mean, as a kid, we, I mean, I grew up in this small town and so.

• 28:03Bill Maher?

  And ears don't get better, do they?

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Exactly. You cannot fix hearing right now.

• 28:08Bill Maher?

  Are you working on that, Brian?

• 28:09Speaker 01

  We are working on that. We've had, we've had zero success.

• 28:12Bill Maher?

  Well, you gotta start somewhere.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. But like I have, my body is hundreds of different ages. And so like, for example, so my nighttime erections.

• 28:21Bill Maher?

  And what about your dick?

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. It is better than an average eighteen year old.

• 28:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but these kids today are such pussy. That is not surprising.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  The data set is from the eighties and nineties.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  But like, okay, the original data set, but now we, we have this new data set, which, so we have multiple decades. So it's not just in the past ten years, but basically whether you get erections at night is one of the most powerful.

• 28:47Bill Maher?

  My own doctor said that to me.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's like you, and you can't, you can't go to the gym and work out your dick, right? You, you go to sleep and you either have erections or you don't. You can't think about it. You can't try to do it.

• 28:59Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  It just happens or not. And so it's one of the strongest indicators of somebody's actual health. And so you can measure it. So I have this little device. It's about an inch cubed. And you put on the base of the penis, you go to sleep, you forget about it. And then throughout the night, you typically have between three and five erections. They begin mostly in your REM cycle. You could have one in your early deep, like when you drink alcohol or smoke.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  You're gonna have zero erections tonight. It basically makes the dick-

• 29:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, you don't know that.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  It makes it-

• 29:31Bill Maher?

  Actually, when I smoke and drink, I wind up getting more. I'm just saying it's a lifestyle thing, Brian.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  I have-

• 29:37Bill Maher?

  I'm telling you.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  I brought a-

• 29:39Bill Maher?

  We're all different.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  I brought a dick measurement device here for you.

• 29:42Bill Maher?

  Oh, I'll take out just enough to beat you.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:45Bill Maher?

  But that's just, okay, so, um, so you're gonna put something on your dick when you go to bed at 8:30? Yeah, I'm not doing that.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:55Bill Maher?

  And also, um, you know, that's, yes, is this part of the issue? It is, but what really affects erections is what you eat, blood flow. Like, most of ED is because people in this country are fat and they eat the wrong things. No arteries are clogged, they don't have blood there. Then it's, um, they're not that attracted to who they're fucking.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:26Bill Maher?

  They've been doing it for a long time, just no spark. You know, I'm just saying, these are the things I think affect erections even more.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:36Bill Maher?

  Be hot for who you're fucking.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:39Bill Maher?

  Don't eat perfectly, you know?

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:41Bill Maher?

  That's what I try to do for my erections.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:44Bill Maher?

  Eat perfectly.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:46Bill Maher?

  And not be married.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:49Bill Maher?

  That's, that's, you know, we all have our own formula. What an interesting discussion.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:54Bill Maher?

  But, yeah, but, so, about the ones you get, you're talking about nocturnal emissions.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 31:00Bill Maher?

  Which sounds like something NASA is working on.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. Some secret ops, yeah. It's also about the, my nighttime erections are the length of the movie Titanic.

• 31:13Bill Maher?

  So over three hours?

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 31:15Bill Maher?

  You have three hour erections? That would annoy me.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:18Bill Maher?

  You know, I sometimes feel them when I'm like sleeping on my stomach and it's like, oh, okay. It kind of wakes you up.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:27Bill Maher?

  Uh, and so you turn on your side so that you have more room.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 31:31Bill Maher?

  Cause when you're, you know-

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:32Bill Maher?

  Otherwise you're fucking the bed.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:34Bill Maher?

  Which I've done.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:36Bill Maher?

  But not anymore.

• 31:39Bill Maher?

  But, uh, a three hour, I feel like a three hour erection, I feel Titanic was too long. A lot of an erection, and I like the movie, and I like erections.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  The average eighteen year old is two hours and thirty minutes. And so by the time you're seventy years old, the average goes down to fifty minutes. So as most things happen in age, there's a slow decline.

• 32:06Bill Maher?

  We're talking about erections and then, but what I mentioned before nocturnal emissions is when you actually ejaculate.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:13Bill Maher?

  In your sleep.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:15Bill Maher?

  Do you do that?

• 32:17Speaker 01

  I don't. I mean, as a kid, I did.

• 32:20Bill Maher?

  Well, would you like to see a program? I have some literature here, Brian.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's such a wild experience as a kid to go through.

• 32:30Bill Maher?

  Well, especially if you're Catholic. I was raised Catholic.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Exactly. I was Mormon.

• 32:33Bill Maher?

  Holy fuck, really?

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:37Bill Maher?

  But you got away?

• 32:38Speaker 01

  I did.

• 32:39Bill Maher?

  They don't let you go easy.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  I mean, it's.

• 32:41Bill Maher?

  They, they really.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  They really get you.

• 32:43Bill Maher?

  Well, also, I mean, your whole social world.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Your, in reality.

• 32:47Bill Maher?

  You are, you are really excommunicated.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:49Bill Maher?

  From, you know, they're not mean like Scientologists, you know, they're not gonna like, you know, hook and send the investigators and the spies. But they do cut you off like you are persona non grata.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like the way I think about it is, so I'm thirty five trillion cells. And so if you think about it, like, how many of my cells were Mormon? Thirty five trillion. Like, they are so deeply integrated into your cellular structure. Whereas if you're Catholic, you know, or maybe, you know, five trillion of your cells, like you're kind of weekly associated with it, but you're not really deeply. But Mormonism, you should get in and it defines your entire existence.

• 33:30Bill Maher?

  We're talking about a religion that believes that God is a six foot two man, right? I mean, like, we know what he looks like and it's not that different from us.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 33:39Bill Maher?

  On the planet Kolob.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Well done.

• 33:42Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, I made a whole movie, Religulous, about. We went to Salt Lake City, got thrown out of the temple. But a six foot two.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:52Bill Maher?

  Human man with erections that last four hours. I'd like to see that in the Book of Mormon, but, but that, I mean, that to me is just astounding. That the things that religions can tell people and they just nod along. And, and again, it's apropos to our discussion about medicine because I really see.

• 34:15Bill Maher?

  People looking at doctors as a similar sort of priesthood. Now, of course, what doctors are saying is not nearly as based on absolute thin air. But so much of what they've told us in the past, and we will find out are telling us now, is way, way, way off. I think if you actually could calculate the amount of sickness and death from bad medical advice, it would be astronomical.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  That's like a natural arc, right? I mean, my life has followed that same arc where you begin trusting all things, authority, structures, history.

• 34:54Bill Maher?

  You're a kid.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  And just bit by bit, you arrive at a certain point in your adulthood, you're like, I don't think I can trust anything. Like, what, what, I mean, if you actually, if you actually narrow down, what do you actually know? It is such a small number of things.

• 35:11Bill Maher?

  I certainly don't trust anything in the media.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's for sure.

• 35:16Bill Maher?

  Unless I bet it.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  I don't trust history. I don't trust the media. I don't trust authority. I don't trust, I mean, like.

• 35:21Bill Maher?

  I just, here's a great example. I just read this. You, you follow baseball?

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:25Bill Maher?

  You do?

• 35:26Speaker 01

  I mean, like, I understand when the World Series happens.

• 35:29Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  I understand the sport in America people play. They get into big stadiums. They throw this thing around and.

• 35:33Bill Maher?

  Okay, so you don't. I didn't even know you were gay. So, so you know who Ty Cobb is? You've heard of Ty Cobb?

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:43Bill Maher?

  One of the greatest players of all time. Uh, I think he played in like the first two decades of the 20th century. And in a very different era. Led the year one, the league one year in home runs with nine. This is before Babe Ruth, although his career.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  How many did he, did Babe hit? Like 40 a year, 50?

• 36:02Bill Maher?

  The Babe famously hit 60 in 1927. That was the record until Roger Maris in the 1960s hit 61. And now Barry Bonds has it with 73.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Did he get discredited because of the steroids?

• 36:14Bill Maher?

  Yes, Barry Bonds. Although I think that's kind of bullshit. I'm sure he was on steroids. I mean, one year, you know, it's one thing to show up in spring training and you have a different pant size, but he had a different head size.

• 36:28Bill Maher?

  Okay, that.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  But what were his 19th generations, all right, to Ty Cobb?

• 36:32Bill Maher?

  Anyway, the point is Ty Cobb forever has had this reputation that he was a horrible racist and just the most unpopular guy you just hate. You know, because he was a fierce competitor, came in with the spikes.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:44Bill Maher?

  And some guy finally like went back and did the research that the lazy people had never done. It's a new book, I just read the review. It's fascinating. And of course, he has the actual data from the time. He wasn't unpopular and he wasn't a racist. We have quotes. It just shows like something becomes ossified as the truth and everybody goes along and everybody else is too lazy to look it up until somebody does, if they ever do. And you're right. I mean, I just know when I read about myself in the media, that's what I think. I go like, wait, I know me. I actually, I know this subject really well. So this is like you're writing about this person.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  It's like two degrees away.

• 37:30Bill Maher?

  It's just, it's a fictional character. So if you're that wrong about this thing that I know so well, what else are you wrong about that I don't know that well? But I just have to assume you're possibly just as wrong.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Exactly. So the starting point, I agree with you is like, we don't really, we have to just like, the starting point is you're probably better off distrusting to everything you think you know.

• 37:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah. And also, free speech. Let people talk. I know it's annoying when they say things that are horrible. That's what free speech means. Let other people then tell them they're horrible. You know? And that's what it's gonna be anyway. You know, I mean, they, they tried to tamp down stuff, the last administration, and now we're gonna get, as we always do in this country, not the medium, the sensible center, we're gonna get the backlash. And it's gonna be terrible on the other side of it. Let's, can we just stop the pendulum from going all the way to, no?

• 38:35Speaker 01

  It's a gravitational force, like, right? It just moves.

• 38:38Bill Maher?

  That thing that everybody had on their desk.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Nobody can stop it.

• 38:42Bill Maher?

  But, okay, so like, my holistic doctor has this great sort of serial.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Current doctor.

• 38:48Bill Maher?

  Yeah, current. For 20 years.

• 38:52Bill Maher?

  The great sort of cereal, I would call it, made from healthy grains and seeds that you put in a ground and put in a thermos, leave overnight in hot water. And that it's kind of looks like oatmeal, but it's better. And then you eat it with a couple of fruits and, okay. So there's some sugar there. It's meant to be eaten first thing. I was eating it last thing. So I was eating a really good thing at the exact wrong time.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:22Bill Maher?

  Did it kill me? No. Did it shave off some? I don't, I don't know, but you know, I, I can't go through my life. I mean, I do all the time, beat myself up. Why didn't I know this? That I know thou now that, and it's just pointless. I can't stop doing it. Cause I'm a perfectionist.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, are you?

• 39:39Bill Maher?

  Yeah. So it does always bug me when I could have done something better. Because like, why was I so stupid? Cause you were.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. What do you think, what do you think 90 year old Bill would look back on this moment and say?

• 39:53Bill Maher?

  If only I could have Brian's erections.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Which is honestly, right? If, if the erections are right, life is right.

• 40:01Bill Maher?

  I agree.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  I mean, honestly, it is that, it is that simple.

• 40:04Bill Maher?

  And when I need to address this issue, I will come to you.

• 40:09Bill Maher?

  But yeah, I agree. I mean, look, there are many people my age or approaching 70 who, you know, there be especially women, I've heard many women say this, public women also like, it's closed up down there, you know? That it's, you know, I had my, and I respect that and I get it. You know, I'm not as horny as I used to be. It's not closed up down there. But I could, I can foresee how at some point in your life, and maybe it's appropriate that you're not having sex at 90. Maybe that's a little greedy, you know?

• 40:48Bill Maher?

  That you, there tis a season for everything. I don't know if that's the season. Now, this is still, hopefully, I'm still in season and I wanna be because I don't feel old and I don't act old and I don't do old. And I think a lot of that comes because I never did get married. So I did not like pass on to another generation, okay, here's where all my energy is gonna go into making your life. I, I, I understand that and I know people, you know, obviously make that choice and are very happy with it. It just wasn't my choice.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:20Bill Maher?

  But I do think, for me anyway, it's kept me young because I've never been in Bill phase 2.0, you know? And when you're always in 1.0, maybe you're a Peter Pan complex. I've been called every bad name for that. I don't give a fuck, that's me. It's what I was, obviously, if it lasted for this many years.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:41Bill Maher?

  It's what I was supposed to and destined to be.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:44Bill Maher?

  Is I travel light, I'm a lone wolf. I like it that way. And it just was always the way I've been. I basically do everything I always did my whole life. I play basketball, I like girls, you know, stand up, my show. It's, it, it hasn't really changed in decades. Um, you know, could change tomorrow.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it seems like the, the patterns, they've gone through all those stages of life.

• 42:13Bill Maher?

  I think in general, I put more faith in the mental aspect of longevity than, and maybe you're concentrating more on the physical. I don't know, we haven't really talked about where you think the mental part plays in this. Do you think it's 10% of it? Do you, there are people who think it's over 50% of it.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 42:36Bill Maher?

  Where are you on that?

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Uh, I always just go the data, like what.

• 42:41Bill Maher?

  It's hard to have data on that.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:44Bill Maher?

  It's hard to have data what's going on your side, inside your mind.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think in many, so I, I've become the most measured person in, in human history.

• 42:54Bill Maher?

  And not just your dick.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:55Bill Maher?

  No, all of it.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, of all the humans, whatever, 100 billion, how many people have lived?

• 43:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, in all of time?

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:03Bill Maher?

  Well, there's 8 billion now.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:06Bill Maher?

  I would guess twice that many.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Okay, so whatever number it is, I'm the most measured person of all those humans in history.

• 43:11Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  There's more data on my body. And what I have found, what I've learned is that it's, you can in fact extract insights when you're doing this kind of comprehensive measurement.

• 43:23Bill Maher?

  Absolutely.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  And that a lot of what we thought was subjective or qualitative, you could actually pinpoint with very clear patterns.

• 43:29Bill Maher?

  I totally, data is everything.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this is why I go to these, when I try to piece together reality, like every, every generation for the past couple thousand years, they try to solve the riddle of existence. Like Buddha was like, hey, like, I'm suffering, I want to go through an ego death, there's planes of existence, there's this eightfold path. Then Muhammad said, submit to God, Jesus said, I am the son of God, Adam said, there's the invisible hand, America said, we the people, Karl Marx said, you know, class warfare. Throughout the centuries, the number of ideologies that we have as a species is very, very small.

• 44:03Bill Maher?

  Wow, I've never heard all of human thought that was put on a T-shirt like that, that's.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  I mean, if you try to like, just like.

• 44:10Bill Maher?

  That's an amazing summation, I mean, obviously for the kids watching, I would say, do some further reading. I mean, you can't quite sum it up, but I get what you're saying, I get the big point.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  They try to smooth it out, right, until like, if you basically just say, like, what have we been doing as a species? How do we understand reality? It's less than 10 ideas.

• 44:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah. And also comes from like a very small number of people.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:38Bill Maher?

  A very small number of people make all of the comfy life that we live.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:44Bill Maher?

  Possible, you know, it's literally maybe.

• 44:48Bill Maher?

  A couple of dozen of scientists through the ages.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:52Bill Maher?

  Who who who came up with and then maybe refined, stood on each other's shoulders. And, you know, Isaac Newton, you know, just just the basic things work. Otherwise, you'd be in the brush.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  The bush.

• 45:04Bill Maher?

  Wiping your ass with a leaf.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Stinging middle. Yes, yeah, yeah. My friend did that in my school. Like, I went to pick him up in fifth grade. We were gonna walk to school. It's like Kurt can't go today. And Kurt's at the top of the stairs and like, you know, he's hurting. He on a scout trip, wiped his ass with stinging middle.

• 45:21Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  That was a bad situation.

• 45:22Bill Maher?

  Because I can't make my own electricity. I've tried.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't mean.

• 45:27Bill Maher?

  And I know somebody did that. And it wasn't me.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:31Bill Maher?

  And, you know, who do you really owe a lot to? You know, I know that doesn't go over well in the intersectionality of, you know, transgender diaspora forces, but that's the truth.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:49Bill Maher?

  That's the truth is the the people who, you know, starting with the guy who figured out fire, made a big difference.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Made a big difference.

• 45:58Bill Maher?

  I mean, Yuval Harari in a sapien says, when there was fire, then we can cook food. So we didn't need quite as large an intestine to kill all the parasites. So a lot of the evolution went to our brain, and that's why I have such a big brain.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. The question now, like, this is this is what I was trying to raise before. If if every era has attempted, has offered up a framework to try to solve reality, like, what is the riddle of existence in this moment that speaks to our technological abilities, to our place in time to species? What is the proposition for this moment?

• 46:38Bill Maher?

  Well, first of all, you have to start with the idea that about, I would say, at least even now with the trend slightly moving in the other direction, at least four fifths of the planet believes this is a question we do not need to ask because they know and it's Allah or it's Jesus, you know.

• 47:01Bill Maher?

  Somebody like that, I mean, and for the people who, I have many religious friends and, you know, they present queries like, you know, how did we get here? To which I always say, I don't know the answer to these questions as you don't, but my answer to them isn't to make up a story.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:20Bill Maher?

  Their answer is to make up a story and then get fully behind it.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:24Bill Maher?

  So, we're only talking about, at best, at this point, 20%, even that's probably high.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Okay, so what if-

• 47:31Bill Maher?

  Of humans who even think that this is an issue. Cause they already have the answer and it's already parked.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Okay, so here, what if the riddle for this existence right now was not a no but, but a yes and?

• 47:45Bill Maher?

  Explain that.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  So typically, ideas come to the world and it's like, uh, my idea about reality is correct and you should subscribe to my idea of reality.

• 47:57Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  And then throughout history, it's kind of been this threat where it's like, and if you don't subscribe to my reality, it might kill you. Right?

• 48:05Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  Right, like, that's kind of the proposition we have here.

• 48:08Bill Maher?

  Right. Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  In a very tactful way.

• 48:11Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Of course.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:14Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  I'm asking you so politely.

• 48:15Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  And so, the, what, the entirety of my efforts is attempting at putting forth a hypothesis of the riddle of existence for this time and place as a species in this part of the galaxy.

• 48:34Bill Maher?

  How much does it cost a year?

• 48:38Bill Maher?

  That's what people are wanting to know.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:40Bill Maher?

  Here on the, it's an infomercial, didn't I tell you?

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:43Bill Maher?

  And if you'd like to live forever-

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Four equal installments.

• 48:46Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  $19.99.

• 48:48Bill Maher?

  Right. And you throw in the hamburger maker.

• 48:54Bill Maher?

  No, but what does it cost you a year to like, do the things you do?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:00Bill Maher?

  Than a normal person or a normal salaried person?

• 49:04Speaker 01

  The-

• 49:04Bill Maher?

  Like, what salary would you need to do it?

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Uh, like, 80 to 90% of the benefits that I achieve, uh, can be done for-

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Ten thousand dollars a year, including groceries.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  That includes food.

• 49:22Bill Maher?

  Wow. Tell me more.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  It's very, very low cost. It's very low cost.

• 49:27Bill Maher?

  So there's something exotic like a hyperbaric chamber?

• 49:30Speaker 01

  I mean, you can add that, but that's an additive thing.

• 49:33Bill Maher?

  Do you do it?

• 49:34Speaker 01

  I just finished my first hyperbaric cycling. I did sixty sessions in ninety days.

• 49:39Bill Maher?

  Sessions?

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the the protocol is you want. So I got the chamber at my house because you spend four thousand five hundred minutes in the chamber over ninety days. So it's over seventy hours.

• 49:52Bill Maher?

  How many? How much is that per day?

• 49:54Speaker 01

  It's roughly ninety minutes per day, thereabouts.

• 49:58Bill Maher?

  What are you doing there?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  I so my chamber allows me to have twenty one percent oxygen. So it's just like the atmosphere. So I can work like and just.

• 50:06Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have a mask on my face where I'm breathing a hundred percent oxygen.

• 50:10Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  But outside of that, I can just work. So I just fit it my routine.

• 50:14Bill Maher?

  Oxygen inside the chamber. It couldn't explode, could it? Because that would be ironic.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I know. I definitely thought through it. Definitely crossed my mind.

• 50:22Bill Maher?

  Because I think oxygen is very highly flammable.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, so in some chambers, they they fill the whole chamber with a hundred percent oxygen. So in that case, you know, you light it, you're ablaze. But in this chamber, you're just breathing the oxygen. And so the chamber itself is twenty one percent oxygen.

• 50:37Bill Maher?

  But no smoking in there?

• 50:40Speaker 01

  I mean, Bill, if you came over, you know, would we make it an exception? You know, like.

• 50:45Bill Maher?

  But this is what Michael Jackson had one of these.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Did he do it?

• 50:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you don't remember that?

• 50:51Speaker 01

  No, I didn't.

• 50:52Bill Maher?

  Oh, well, yeah, that was like back before he was known for, you know, with the kids.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:01Bill Maher?

  He was known for kooky things like having a pet monkey and, you know, sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber. That's where I heard about the hyperbaric chamber originally. And I've heard about it. I'm asking you, has somebody recently suggested it to me? And I was I'm like, I'm open to anything.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yes, we just completed. I did. Four thousand five, over seventy hours in ninety days. I measured about fifty things before for baseline measurements. I just started the fifty thing measurement today. So I'll have the data in two or three weeks.

• 51:34Bill Maher?

  What are you expecting the data to say? Did you actually feel different or it would all be just in the data?

• 51:40Speaker 01

  The only thing I saw was my skin improved significantly.

• 51:43Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:44Bill Maher?

  The data. Your skin improved significantly?

• 51:46Speaker 01

  The data shows, so like the way it works is you sit in the chamber and normally when you breathe in oxygen, your blood cells take oxygen throughout your body. But it's very hard for oxygen to penetrate deep into the plasma and the tissues. So in the oxygen chamber, you're getting ten to fifteen times the concentration of oxygen throughout your entire body. When that gets to skin, it increases collagen production. It increases elastin fibers. It reduces senescent cells, like dead cells. So it's almost, it's actually the most effective skin rejuvenation therapy in the world.

• 52:17Bill Maher?

  Now, my friend told me that there's two kinds. One is just like the thing I saw Michael have, which is, you know, just like a chamber. Like it's like a casket, quite frankly. You just lie in it.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:27Bill Maher?

  But there's ones now that are bigger.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 52:30Bill Maher?

  That like you can sit in there. Is that the one you have?

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's just like, I have a chair just like this and it has a hard shell so I can sit and work within comfort. And then it's like, when you're laying down, that's kind of tough. You get sleepy and it's hard to hold a phone or something. Actually, you don't want a phone because they're going to stream oxygen. Yeah, this one was very functional, but it's, I'm very intrigued by it because it lower, the data shows it lowers inflammation. It eliminates like up to forty percent of senescent cells. So cells that die in your body and they just accumulate. And then when they hang on the body, they're emitting all these bad chemicals, these cytokines that create all these bad effects.

• 53:06Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  It increases VO2 max, your cardiovascular ability. It increases oxygen muscle perfusion. Like the list is very, very long. So we'll see. Like that's why I did.

• 53:18Bill Maher?

  No, I'm intrigued because when my friend was telling me about it, I remember thinking, when did Michael Jackson ever make a bad decision? I think that this is probably, especially in the area of health.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  The gold, the gold standard, yeah.

• 53:31Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna call my doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you want to be careful because if you do more than, if you look at the curves, you can have oxygen toxicity to your central nervous system after about two hours.

• 53:45Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  So you want to, yeah, you, you really have to follow a evidence-based protocol. You don't want to go out there and just wing it.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Definitely don't want to do that.

• 53:54Bill Maher?

  Can I call you?

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:56Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I'll get the whole, I'll get the whole thing set up, yeah.

• 53:58Bill Maher?

  You're like me now, right?

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I, because I'm saying, we, um, okay, here's, here's a statement for you. I am the healthiest person on planet Earth.

• 54:09Bill Maher?

  I'll believe it.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have the best comprehensive biomarkers of anybody, not just, not 47-year-olds.

• 54:17Bill Maher?

  Bro, you earned it.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Anybody in the world.

• 54:18Bill Maher?

  You know, you go to bed at 8:30 and you're in the, the chamber and, you know, I mean, yeah, I, I, I don't doubt it for a second.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:26Bill Maher?

  And it, it makes sense. I mean, who's doing more than you?

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Exactly. And so this like, but what's, I think.

• 54:32Bill Maher?

  But like, and it doesn't like impede your just sense of happiness that you spend so much time, like, again, we were talking about trade-offs, you know, the present for the future.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:47Bill Maher?

  Here's a piece of cake on the table. It would feel really good in the present, eat that piece of cake.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:52Bill Maher?

  Or the future is, ah, yeah, it'll make me fat and it's sugar. Me, I never go for the cake.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, why?

• 54:59Bill Maher?

  That's one, because it's easy for me to refuse that one.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:03Bill Maher?

  This, no. I like getting, I like getting high.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  So tell me about this. What does this do for you?

• 55:08Bill Maher?

  Liquor or pot?

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Either one, both. Like tonight, tonight, what's it do for you?

• 55:11Bill Maher?

  You never got high when you were a kid?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Yes, I have, but I'm saying like, why, why do you, like, what does this do for you? Why do you choose it?

• 55:16Bill Maher?

  Feel good.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:17Bill Maher?

  You know, drugs make you feel good. I hate to let the cat out of the bag.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:21Bill Maher?

  But, you know, that's why people do them. That's why they're popular. That's why people get addicted to them. I'm lucky. I don't have an addictive personality. You know, I, I, I do what I do when I want to do it. It doesn't, cigarettes are different. Uh, cocaine is different. It says, do me now. No, no, no, I'm not asking. That's not where I am with liquor and pot. I don't think about liquor from one end of the week to the other.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  How do you think you'll feel tomorrow?

• 55:49Bill Maher?

  Fine, because I'm only having one and a half. So I have one and a half drinks.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:55Bill Maher?

  My body can handle that. No, you know, may there come a day when I would feel that? No, but I know, I know what I'll feel. I mean, trust me, I have had terrible nights where I drank way too much.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:08Bill Maher?

  I mean, I've had to be picked up off that driveway you came in. Literally picked up.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:12Bill Maher?

  I mean, I'm not, I'm not proud of it, and it was not that long.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Well, at least you're honest about it.

• 56:16Bill Maher?

  Yes. No, no, being drunk is fun.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, yeah. So I, I totally agree with you, like, that these things, they create this window of time that is pleasurable. Agreed, I'm with you.

• 56:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  It's the follow-on consequence that, that I.

• 56:38Bill Maher?

  You're saying this like it's news.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  It's, but like, it's.

• 56:41Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Okay, so here, here's, like, this is what people find, so.

• 56:44Bill Maher?

  We're just making a different decision.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:47Bill Maher?

  About past versus future, and we're making a different bet. It's all about placing a bet.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  It is.

• 56:52Bill Maher?

  You know, I'm placing a bet that if I do something very uncertain about the outcome in the future, like sacrificing my whole life for the possibility of lon, of ultimate longevity.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:09Bill Maher?

  There's a very good chance at some point life is gonna go. You thought you could have smart me, and that's hysterical. That's hysterical with all the times I've shown you you can't. So I'm just gonna live now.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:22Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna live in the moment, Brian.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:24Bill Maher?

  I'm in the moment right now. That's why I love doing this show.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:28Bill Maher?

  That's why I love doing it high.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:30Bill Maher?

  I mean, there's a good answer to your question. I'm more in the moment.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:33Bill Maher?

  You know, I'm not thinking about anything else. We've had a rough week out here.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:38Bill Maher?

  With the fires.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  I was thinking about that, like, driving in.

• 57:40Bill Maher?

  Rough.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:41Bill Maher?

  Rough shit. And then I'm, right as I'm going back to work, which I'm glad, because I need to vent about this fire shit on Friday.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:50Bill Maher?

  And luckily I have that. Some people, most people don't have a place to vent as much, although I guess they all do with the internet now, but, um, rough, you know, I need a drink.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:01Bill Maher?

  I was really looking forward to this, really looking forward to talking to you. I mean. Life, yeah, I wanna live it. I love the things that I love about my life, like this thing. I mean, the fact that people like you, really interesting people with a lot to say, and come over here once a week and talk to me. What a privilege, what a lucky thing that is. I never lose sight of how lucky I am, or the things that I have. I was saying this to Harvey on the TMZ thing today. You know, when people say, "Well, it's horrible when you lose your house in a fire, but it's just things." Yeah, yes and no. It's things that mean the world to me, nothing material.

• 58:45Bill Maher?

  I don't have jewelry, I don't have cars, I don't have any of that bullshit, expensive art. But the art I have, all has sentimental value. It's cheap, or not expensive anyway, but it means the world to me. And to lose it, and my clothes, and my, you know, my record collection, and this is the accumulation of a lifetime. Everything has great meaning to me. I wouldn't get over that by just going, "Well, it's just material things." Yeah, I'm more glad I'm not one of the things dead, but it's not just things. You know, sorry, I guess I'm not a Buddhist with no possessions, and you know.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:25Bill Maher?

  But things, I'm connected to them. Especially, everything in this room. Gilbert Gottfried did this.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw, I imagine.

• 59:35Bill Maher?

  I mean, I did this when I was 11. I wallpapered my room with this, cutting these things out of, obviously, a time when most of the magazines were in black and white. I mean, I would, that sign was behind me on Politically Incorrect for nine years, my first television show. I mean, made me the man I am today. Yeah, these are things, things that would make me very sad if I lost. So I'm against fire.

• 1:00:07Bill Maher?

  Where were you in the fire?

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  I'm down the street, so, yeah, so, I'm on West Side.

• 1:00:15Bill Maher?

  Is that right?

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, so not, I wasn't, I mean, right here, like, you are.

• 1:00:20Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Minutes away.

• 1:00:21Bill Maher?

  Well, we don't need to say where, but yeah.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. I mean, like, but you're.

• 1:00:24Bill Maher?

  But who wasn't? I had people who come, who had people from the Altadena fire, friends who live in Pasadena. Said, can I come and stay in your guest house tonight? Of course, they came and then the next day, dude, we all got to go now.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I had friends calling like, can I come over, come on over like.

• 1:00:43Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Everyone's successfully getting kicked out. Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:00:47Bill Maher?

  I mean, no way to live.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Bill Maher?

  No way to live.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  It was a pretty insane moment. Like, it was, it was a, you had no idea how to even think about the situation. Like, that kind of destruction rolling through an urban environment, like, you just wouldn't even imagine it would just bulldoze.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  You see, you think fires in the mountains, sure, like, just burning entire towns that you wouldn't associate with hills.

• 1:01:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah. I mean, I can't even start because I'll wind up talking for 10 minutes on it because it's all that's in my head right now. And I don't want to do that because I'm enjoying this so much. And I'm going to assume that we are going to live past this moment. And when we do, I, I do want to keep living. I mean, that's another thing that I love is California with all its craziness. And boy, there is a lot of craziness. And this city, which has been my home for 42 years. I moved here in 1983. I'm dug in, you know? I looked at moving once to Miami when we had fires in 2020 and I could not see the sun for a week blotted out.

• 1:01:58Bill Maher?

  Okay, I was like, I'm not going to live like this. But you know what? When you're my age and you've been here this long.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Driving here, I wondered what your mindset would be, whether you were going to dig in or whether you were saying.

• 1:02:11Bill Maher?

  At this age, wherever I moved in the world, I'd always be thinking, when am I going to get to go home? To my home.

• 1:02:19Bill Maher?

  And, you know, this is my home. I'm gonna, the first night when they made us leave, I did. Second night was like, well, you should, and I didn't. I was like, know what? I'm going to defend this house because I saw somebody, a friend of mine, who did that with a hose.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  And he, and he won.

• 1:02:34Bill Maher?

  Won.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, he actually stopped the fire.

• 1:02:37Bill Maher?

  Well, yeah, you see it often where, like, every house on the block is burned out except for one. Yeah, because that guy got up on the roof.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Bill Maher?

  With a hose. And I said, I'm gonna do that, you know? And it, you know, look, I'm not gonna die in a fire, I hope, but yeah. I, I, I think that's where we're gonna have to be. It's like, they can't be everywhere. Now, I have my issues with how the government handles. And that's what I'm gonna talk about Friday night, but no. I mean, people are gonna have to do a little bit of it. You, you just, it's just almost analogous to the doctor thing. Like, I'm just gonna not take notes about my life. Nah, why do I have to take notes? Well, let the doctor decide. I mean, I went to doctor sometimes, like, somebody would recommend somebody about something, and I would go, and doctor would have no knowledge of my history,

• 1:03:28Bill Maher?

  and start making all sorts of pronouncements, and I'd be like, you don't know me. I know me, cuz I can look up. Cuz you forget unless you write it down. But I can look up. Oh, no. That's right, I had a UTI in 1995.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's also something that you, you don't really know it about yourself, but when your life is in danger, and you're there having to make the decision, are you going to pick up the hose and defend your house?

• 1:03:57Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  At the risk of your life? Or are you gonna bail? Like, it's very hard to imagine that moment and make a decision, but like,

• 1:04:04Bill Maher?

  Well, I think you can do both. I think you can defend your house and then get out.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's pretty tough in here, right? Like, the, like, the roads are pretty clogged, it's not a clear path out.

• 1:04:15Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  If fire, so it's not that clean, like,

• 1:04:18Bill Maher?

  No, not a-

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  It may sweep faster than you can move.

• 1:04:21Bill Maher?

  Yes, and it can.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, so it's a, it is not, you don't know.

• 1:04:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no, you don't know.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  It is you either, you're gonna make a stand.

• 1:04:28Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  But that, like, there's a, there's a possibility you're gonna get burnt alive.

• 1:04:33Bill Maher?

  You, there is. Or die of smoke inhalation.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:37Bill Maher?

  I mean, you can jump in your pool, but the smoke will probably still kill you. Anyway, great talking to you.

• 1:04:46Bill Maher?

  We gotta have dinner sometime, but, huh, well, yeah, it's, uh,

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  So, yeah, so this is, this is the, my hypothesis is that the next major global ideology is don't die.

• 1:05:08Bill Maher?

  It hasn't always been.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  Exactly right. Don't die has always been the pitch of humanity. And so every, you know, it's, it's be professionally epic and your reputation won't die. It's have kids and you won't die via your lineage. It's obey these commandments and have an afterlife. It's, you know, go through this. So every pitch has been do this, don't die. And the contemplation right now is this is the first time in the history of the human race where the actual do this, don't die is here. And that, the thing is, that is a yes and you can be Christian and say yes to this new ideology. You can believe in an afterlife, that's fine. Nobody wants to die right now.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  And the reason why it's so elegant is don't die is the only framework that begins with the laws of physics, with entropy, and walks up through math and computation and biology and memetics and narratives. It is the only thing. So typically capitalism says we're going to have this economic structure. Democracy says we're going to run society this way. Religions say do this, you have this afterlife or whatever the prize is. Nothing plays full stack from physics through memetics. Nothing plays through the computational and mathematical realities we love this universe.

• 1:06:24Bill Maher?

  What's memetics?

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Uh, like memes. Like so, it's just like the, we, we evolved as species through memes, through these ideas, narrative stories.

• 1:06:36Bill Maher?

  Government is an idea.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:06:38Bill Maher?

  So this is. And what is, what is, what was the rationale for selling government? Cause it's fairly recent. Why did, why were people willing to give up so much what you have to do in government? Rights, money, taxes.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Bill Maher?

  Why? What was government selling? I'm asking you.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:06:59Bill Maher?

  You don't die. That's it. That's the original function of government, protection.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 1:07:07Bill Maher?

  You're a serf, barbarians are coming.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:10Bill Maher?

  Work the land and when they come, you can get behind the castle wall.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:14Bill Maher?

  We'll pull up the drawbridge, you'll be inside.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:07:17Bill Maher?

  I mean, that's.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:07:19Bill Maher?

  And it's still.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  It's subscribe this and don't die.

• 1:07:21Bill Maher?

  It's still, that's why we give so much money. Because I can't build a cruise missile or a nuclear bomb.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Bill Maher?

  And yeah, I mean, Russia and China and Iran or South, North Korea, these are not our friends.

• 1:07:36Bill Maher?

  And we do need, you know, we need some defense. I think we spend way too much money on it, but and also crime. I can't fund my own police force and my own fire department. Although people do have private fire departments. But that is the function of government.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Bill Maher?

  And that, you know, again, not to get on this fire thing, but that I think is what people are looking here in Los Angeles now and saying, well, that's what the Democrats forget. The basic function of government. They're so into their boutique issues that they forget about the bread and butter of what government is supposed to do. Protect you from crime and violence and fucking fire.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  Don't die.

• 1:08:24Bill Maher?

  Don't die. We like living. I mean, people, you know.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  I mean, you gave it a passion speech on what you love about life. I mean, why you love to get high and why you like to drink. And I honestly, no, I'm serious. Like I.

• 1:08:39Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  I think it's a beautiful expression that you love to exist.

• 1:08:45Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Like you want all the experiences that consciousness has to offer you.

• 1:08:49Bill Maher?

  I wouldn't if I was born 5,000 years ago, I would be a Buddhist. I get why it's old men. Because life sucked, so let's not feel anything. But that's not the case now. Life's good. There's porn on my phone.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Bill Maher?

  I don't want, I don't want to die and have it all burned up.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:12Bill Maher?

  I want to sit here and keep smoking and talking.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Bill Maher?

  And having a good time. I mean, not three hour erections. Not that good, but you know, I mean, so, so what do you do all day? Like, what, what, what's like the, the like, what's your happy hour for you? Where you can just not do anything that's like helping your health? Because you gotta have some time when you're just enjoying the fruits.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:43Bill Maher?

  What's that like? Where is that in the day?

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Uh, I love.

• 1:09:47Bill Maher?

  You must get up super early if you go to bed at eight thirty.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  Yes, that's right.

• 1:09:50Bill Maher?

  And that's because we're solar creatures and you want yourself aligned to the sun. I get all that.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I also just love the mornings. No one's there to bother me.

• 1:09:58Bill Maher?

  I do too.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  So I have, I have.

• 1:09:59Bill Maher?

  I just can't have both.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  I have six hours where nothing happens except for what I want to happen. And it's like my favorite part of the entire day, but I mean, for fun, uh, my son and I do a lot of stuff. So my nineteen year old is my best friend.

• 1:10:12Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  We do everything together.

• 1:10:14Bill Maher?

  Like what?

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  Uh, we go biking, we play pickleball, we.

• 1:10:17Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, we do, uh, these.

• 1:10:19Bill Maher?

  Basketball?

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Trip. Yeah, we, we play basketball.

• 1:10:21Bill Maher?

  Oh, come over here for basketball.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, great. Yeah, uh, we were very active and, um.

• 1:10:27Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28Bill Maher?

  That must be joyous for you to have your offspring be. And of course, when you go out, the chicks go, you guys must be brothers.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Well, you know, so.

• 1:10:38Bill Maher?

  Funny you should mention that.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  So, yes, they do.

• 1:10:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, come on.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  They're not, I'm talking, I promise. Also.

• 1:10:45Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Also, they say, how long have you guys been together?

• 1:10:49Bill Maher?

  Oh, because they think you're gay?

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And we say, you know, just like six months.

• 1:10:53Bill Maher?

  No, you should say nineteen years.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we, like we.

• 1:10:58Bill Maher?

  Let them figure it out.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  It is, um, yeah, the people, they, we get the gay thing so frequently.

• 1:11:05Bill Maher?

  So it sounds like you're in bars a lot.

• 1:11:08Bill Maher?

  Where do you meet these women who are confused?

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  He's such a cool guy. We, we do, we get along so well. We have so much fun together. We've never been in a fight in our entire lives. We've never had a disagreement.

• 1:11:19Bill Maher?

  Is that healthy for a parent? Because doesn't a parent have to be not a friend, but the person who tells you what's up and what's right from wrong?

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Bill Maher?

  I mean, the kid was never wrong about anything that you had to straighten him out?

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, he has exercised really good judgment.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  And I have a very light hand. I mean, he, he has all the freedom to do everything he wants to do. And every time he encounters a sticky situation, like, you know, okay, I've got this thing. What do I do? And I said, okay, here's a few ways to think about the situation.

• 1:11:50Bill Maher?

  Right. No, you definitely sound like the ultimate cool dad.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, it's like, it surprises me. I never imagined, like, I, I had, like,

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  I had a father, like, that certain thing, like, you know, whatever happened there, but I never had a model in my mind of what my son and I would do. Like, I had a typical detached father. You grow up and it's like this, you don't really speak much to each other and just kind of are present in the, in the moment, but never.

• 1:12:20Bill Maher?

  That's what your father relationship was like?

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Well, so my, my father had trouble, troubles when I was younger, right? He, he was doing drugs and he had some professional challenges. And so I didn't really see him very much.

• 1:12:29Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  So, but like, you know, like that kind of stuff happens. I never imagined that, that I never had a, there was no parent-child relationship that I saw that was like what my son and I have.

• 1:12:42Bill Maher?

  I mean, what about children in the future? I mean, your sperm must be like healthier than Jack LaLanne.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we, we quantify my sperm. So I, I.

• 1:12:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Okay, wait, wait. What about your sperm?

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:12:54Bill Maher?

  You, you, we've measured it? We've, we must have studied the fuck out of it. I mean, everything else, right?

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:59Bill Maher?

  What's going on in your sperm?

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I have.

• 1:13:02Bill Maher?

  Knock me over.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  So I mean, I do have the most measured penis in the world, as you might expect. And which, which includes.

• 1:13:08Bill Maher?

  It's different than the best measured penis, but okay.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  So I'll, I'll tell you a few measurements we've done. It's like, when you want to quantify your penis.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  Like, there's a checklist.

• 1:13:19Bill Maher?

  Keep talking, Brian.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah?

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  So I mean, sperm is one, one thing you want to measure is you want to find motility. You want to, like, you want to find counts. You want to find ejaculate volume and you want to make sure those things are doing well. It's like.

• 1:13:35Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Bill Maher?

  I, I actually, I'd be very happy if they weren't doing well because the last thing I'd want to do is have a baby.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:43Bill Maher?

  Not that I take any risks, but you know.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Bill Maher?

  I mean, I'd be thrilled if my sperm were like, nope, we're not in the game anymore.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  So we're actually, we're testing right now. So there's a, a friend of mine who's set up this.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  This scientific experiment where he has sperm race each other. So you can take two people's sperm, put them adjacent to each other. And then you give them a biochemical signal to like, come this way. And you can, you can have the sperm compete to see whose, whose sperm is more robust in seeking out the.

• 1:14:21Bill Maher?

  Brings a whole new meaning to beating off, huh?

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:23Bill Maher?

  So, um, and it's good the faster?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, you, you want robust sperm abilities. Yeah. So this is why I'm saying that the levels of quantification, like once you actually get deep into the body, you, you can see all these biological functions and the cause and effect relationships. It just helps you think about yourself and the world very differently. You just see these patterns that otherwise are hide.

• 1:14:46Bill Maher?

  So if you ever do want to have a kid again, I bet you, you could almost pick the date of birth and make it happen, right? Because you would know like she's ovulating, you'd have all the data. And, and my erections are like even more. By the way, here's a question for you. Does the full moon affect your erections?

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Oh, you know, we haven't measured that. That's a good question.

• 1:15:08Bill Maher?

  I think it does.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  We have not.

• 1:15:10Bill Maher?

  I think it does.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  Lunar cycles.

• 1:15:12Bill Maher?

  Men have cycles too.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  That's a good question. We, we have the data. We could look at it.

• 1:15:17Bill Maher?

  And what is your guess?

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  No idea.

• 1:15:20Bill Maher?

  No idea. But we do, you do admit that men have cycles, just like women, to a degree. Like, like anytime you have blood tests or anything done, it's a snapshot. Now you do a snapshot like on a daily basis.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:34Bill Maher?

  Like most people do it once a year.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, some things are snapshots, some things are, some things are stable. So it depends on what you're measuring. Like some things fluctuate throughout the day.

• 1:15:41Bill Maher?

  They do.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  But some are very stable.

• 1:15:43Bill Maher?

  Like what?

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Ah, like your HbA1c, like your, your measurement of your blood glucose, right? That's a, that's a composite measure over a certain duration of time. It's not going to fluctuate day to day. Whereas, you know, your cortisol levels depend upon stress can have.

• 1:15:57Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Broader fluctuations.

• 1:15:59Bill Maher?

  Right. That's the one that, for example, when you get up in the morning, as soon as you get light in your eye.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Why do you cut that?

• 1:16:05Bill Maher?

  Uh, so because I'm a health nut, Brian.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, so you, so I'm, I'm unfamiliar. So basically you, you smoke it and then the ash.

• 1:16:13Bill Maher?

  Uh, I cut this because I'm a moil professionally. I just do comedy in my spare time. No, uh, a big, so yeah, so you don't smoke ash.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:21Bill Maher?

  That's right.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you can't tap it out. You've got to, you've got to cut it because the paper's partially.

• 1:16:27Bill Maher?

  Well, why if I have a scissor right here?

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Bill Maher?

  Look, again, my life is an amalgamation of the things I did bad and the things I did good.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Bill Maher?

  Now, it's almost like a mortgage where at the beginning you're paying all interest and then by the end you're paying, right? It's like that. At the beginning I was doing all bad.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:51Bill Maher?

  You know, I was drinking, I mean cocaine, just everything.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Bill Maher?

  And not enough sleep and I used to get, I used to get sick way more than I do now. Because I learned, as I learned what, and of course, your body allows you to do less as you get older. But I live much healthier than I do. I mean, you're seeing me at my unhealthiest right now.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:17:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah. It's like the unhealthiest thing I do.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  What life lessons would you share with me?

• 1:17:18Bill Maher?

  Well, again, like the things you asked me that I do that are nutty with the garlic and blah, blah, blah and the trampoline. Um, two meals a day.

• 1:17:27Bill Maher?

  I don't know why people have three. I guess it feels good, but they should know that I just made up. I mean, somebody pulled that right out of their ass. I'm not saying it doesn't, can't work for you, but like for most of my life, it was just locked in my head. Of course you have three meals a day. I would sometimes force myself to have three meals. Like, what the fuck? And finally I was like, it's one of those things again. Why didn't I think of this when I was younger? Because you didn't. I just didn't. But I wish I had because you don't need three. Um, now, coffee, what do you think about coffee?

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  It's great.

• 1:17:58Bill Maher?

  Oh, good. Oh, thank you, Jesus. Because it's, no, because some people are anti-coffee.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:18:05Bill Maher?

  Because it's acidic.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:08Bill Maher?

  But.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  There's anti-people for everything.

• 1:18:10Bill Maher?

  Exactly. There's people who hate you for no reason.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:18:16Bill Maher?

  Like you're, like you're Luigi.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Bill Maher?

  You know, or the anti, you're, you're the health guy that Luigi shot. You're the bad guy.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  What else?

• 1:18:25Bill Maher?

  But so you, so you have, when do you have coffee? But see, there's cortisol, like you shouldn't have coffee right away in the day. Like people have the first thing, I have a cup of coffee. No, because your cortisol levels spike as soon as you get up. It's the last time you need, the least time you need coffee in the day. Wait an hour.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:18:43Bill Maher?

  And then, you know, that's one reason why it's easy for me to only have two meals a day. Because I do intermittent fasting with the aid of coffee. I don't really, it's not really a goal, but I, I hear it's good. You think intermittent fasting is helpful?

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:58Bill Maher?

  Okay. I mean, there's also been reports recently. Of course, there is always revisionism. Somebody's always gonna go, oh, they like this now? You think eggs are good? Oh, well, wait till you read about mine. And then two months later, no, they are good again. But intermittent fasting, yeah, I think it, I, look, I just, I go by common sense. Like to me, common sense is, um, give your digestive system a rest. I fast a couple of times a year. Five day fast, not a complete fast. It's a kit they give you, that Prolon, I'm sure you're aware of it. I can't get through a real one, but this one, as they say, it's the fasting mimicking.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  You pay them to not eat, isn't that amazing?

• 1:19:40Bill Maher?

  But as long as it gets me through it, you know, it's psychological. Like, oh, at four thirty, I can have an olive. But it's something.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  I recently tested, so I, I've been measuring, there's a technology called DNA methylation, where it, it measures how fast your body ages. So there's chemical patterns inside of you, like there's rings on a tree. And so I, I've been doing this measurement for the past couple of years. And recently I did a three day fast and it actually increased my speed of aging.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  So it didn't actually help me. And so we, we were, we actually were kind of, well, so.

• 1:20:16Bill Maher?

  The fast?

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Didn't help me. So, but we were hypothesizing that basically.

• 1:20:20Bill Maher?

  But.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  My daily routine.

• 1:20:22Bill Maher?

  But that's a snapshot again, isn't it? Is that long term?

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  We do us, we do such high frequency measurement. It's definitely responsive to that therapy. But it was, it was interesting because I, my body is in a fasted like state almost all the time.

• 1:20:37Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  And so to doing that therapy, I saw for most people, it probably would work. For me, it didn't. It actually backfired.

• 1:20:45Bill Maher?

  Look, I hate doing it. Give me a reason not to do it and I'll do it. But what one great thing that was an outcome of fasting is that it makes having two meals a day easy. Like after you fasted and like basically had nothing for five days. The idea that I'm not going to really eat until four in the afternoon. Of course I get up at 11, you know, is easy.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:05Bill Maher?

  At least I'm going to eat something. It, it, it's all relative and it's in your mind.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:21:11Bill Maher?

  So, so how many meals do you eat a day?

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  Um, so it depends.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Two to three. Yeah.

• 1:21:18Bill Maher?

  What's your routine? You, you get up?

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  My first meal of the day is at 6am. But it's not really a meal. I just, I have, I ate exactly 2,250 calories. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, every single calorie fights for its life. Every single calorie is tested extensively.

• 1:21:35Bill Maher?

  And what's in these calories? What, what are we talking about?

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  Primarily it's vegetables, legumes, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive.

• 1:21:42Bill Maher?

  In a shake you're talking about?

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Oh, so in the morning it's a protein shake. And then our next meal is broccoli, cauliflower, black lentils, hemp seeds, ginger, garlic. Next meal is macadamia nuts, walnuts, flaxseed, berries. And then the next meal is like some berries, nuts, seeds, legumes.

• 1:21:57Bill Maher?

  See, I eat all these things.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:59Bill Maher?

  But not as full meals. I mean, that's, that's quite, so you never, so you're a vegetarian?

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  I'm a plant based, yeah.

• 1:22:05Bill Maher?

  Plant based.

• 1:22:09Bill Maher?

  Okay. Oh, that's rough. And you never have a fish? You never have? No?

• 1:22:17Bill Maher?

  So, and no bread, like me?

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  No bread.

• 1:22:20Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, once you apply the filter that every calorie has a fight for its life, you have to say like, go to the edge of the science. What has the highest evidence threshold for what actually has the highest impact in the body? It's a really cool exercise.

• 1:22:33Bill Maher?

  Oh, I'm sure it's true, and I'm sure you're right. I just, you know, again, it's the trade off issue. I'm just not gonna do it.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  So, but also, my way is not the only way, right? It's one way, and other people can do their thing. So, if you're gonna eat meat, great, like, do meat. Like, do your thing, that's fine.

• 1:22:49Bill Maher?

  My general assessment is that you are going to look, at my age, slightly younger than I do. And you are going to live slightly more, unless you're hit by a bus. Which, as you said, could, you know. So, you know, to me, is it worth it? No, because I feel like I'm making a very reasonable amount of sacrifices. I do a lot of things. Sometimes I forget what I do, because you accumulate them over time, and you incorporate them into your life, and then, you know, oh yeah, I do make green tea, and this tea, and this tea, every, you know.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  You know, the thing, Bill, is, I, I don't disagree with what you said. And here's what I would say for clarification. I'm not doing this for lifespan. I'm doing this because I am an ideology.

• 1:23:43Bill Maher?

  You are an ideology.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  I am an ideology.

• 1:23:46Bill Maher?

  And if I had, if I Wikipedia'd that ideology, what would it say?

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Don't die.

• 1:23:51Bill Maher?

  Don't die.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  Here, like, here's the question, like, if, if God wakes up one day, what is the first thing God does?

• 1:24:03Bill Maher?

  See if he's still 6'2", because, you know, as you age, sometimes you lose, you shrink a little, and you don't wanna be on collab and be like 6'1".

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:13Bill Maher?

  You wanna be 6'2".

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:16Bill Maher?

  Uh, no, I mean, you believe in God?

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  No, I'm, I, whether you believe in God or not, if you, God is a representation of omnipotence, right? It's a, whether you believe in God or not, doesn't matter. It's a concept to say the most supreme form of intelligence that can exist in our minds.

• 1:24:31Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  What does that most supreme form of intelligence do when it wakes up and it's God? What does it do?

• 1:24:38Bill Maher?

  I don't know. I'll ask Elon. No, um, you know, first of all, it doesn't wake up. I mean, you're positing human traits to something.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  But like when it's, uh,

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  just like go with me with the thought experiment. Just imagine it wakes up. Like, what does it do? What is, what is omnipotent intelligence do?

• 1:25:01Bill Maher?

  Check its email, like we all do first thing. I mean, uh,

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  You do that? Do you check your email? Do you, do you wake up? You don't?

• 1:25:07Bill Maher?

  Not first thing.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  Is your phone next to your bed?

• 1:25:10Bill Maher?

  Only because, uh, to turn off the alarm.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  So you set an alarm?

• 1:25:14Bill Maher?

  It's a, well, the alarm on the house.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Oh, I see.

• 1:25:17Bill Maher?

  No, no, I wake up naturally.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19Bill Maher?

  I think that's something most people don't do.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  I hate, yeah, I hate the alarm.

• 1:25:24Bill Maher?

  Well, you need to get the full complement of sleep.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Bill Maher?

  Most of the good sleep, am I right, comes in the last couple of hours?

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  Or both, early and late.

• 1:25:33Bill Maher?

  Early and late?

• 1:25:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have a deep window. So the, when you go to sleep, your deep sleep happens in the first two to three hours and that's.

• 1:25:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, that makes sense because I sleep for like two, three hours and then wake up.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's like the deeply restorative sleep that cleans the brain.

• 1:25:50Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  You don't want to miss deep. It's like, it's,

• 1:25:53Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  It's really important for brain health.

• 1:25:56Bill Maher?

  Right. Well, it's hard to miss that one if you get any sleep because that's the first two or three hours.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And if you miss your first, if you miss your bedtime, you, you don't make it up later in the night. That time is gone and your deep is gone.

• 1:26:07Bill Maher?

  Well, your bedtime is when you go to sleep.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  Uh, sure, but you're so you have some so whether your bedtime is like a two hour window or a thirty minute window or whatever, your body has some kind of circadian rhythm and it's going to allocate some amount of resources to say, deep as this window. So if you miss, like your normal bedtime is between ten and twelve or something and you go to bed at two, you've missed it.

• 1:26:30Bill Maher?

  What if your normal bedtime is two? Let's just say a random example.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a random, yeah, asking for a friend, so it.

• 1:26:36Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're so long as you're on a rhythm, the rhythm happens every night.

• 1:26:44Bill Maher?

  So you're not on the page that many holistic people are, that the healing happens between ten and two and that you have to sleep to be healthy, like in the morning with the sun and sort of wake up with the sun. Because I can find no evidence of that.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Exactly, so I don't care what anybody says, like, show me the data or it doesn't exist.

• 1:27:05Bill Maher?

  Exactly, and there is no data.

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  So the only study I saw recently was that there was something like a sixty percent chance of increased diabetes for those that didn't get half their restorative sleep before four AM. So there's like, it seems like you can go to bed anytime you want, but it gets too early in the morning, too late in the night, too early in the morning, there's some point in time where it crosses a threshold, but, so yeah, I think there's like some window that's the body just can't push too much, that you get into like night shift mode and.

• 1:27:36Bill Maher?

  Last time I had a conversation with Quincy Jones, he told me what time he goes to bed. You know what time he goes to bed?

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  What time?

• 1:27:44Bill Maher?

  Nine thirty.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  At night?

• 1:27:46Bill Maher?

  AM.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Wow. That's such a weird, that's such a weird bedtime. Why? What?

• 1:27:54Bill Maher?

  He's Quincy Jones, he could do whatever he wanted. Because he was cool.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:00Bill Maher?

  Like, fuck, are you kidding? Nature was like, we don't dare fuck with that.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:06Bill Maher?

  Nine thirty, exactly. Because he was still having a good time at seven, probably.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's weird, like, almost like you get the sunrise, you get the first early hours in the morning, then it's like, back.

• 1:28:18Bill Maher?

  Well, I sleep and then that is very helpful to me. Okay, so I got my restorative sleep and then.

• 1:28:29Bill Maher?

  My problem is it takes me an hour to get back to sleep.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah. So you, um, I'll tell you. So if you're interested, I, I recorded the best sleep score on record.

• 1:28:39Bill Maher?

  The best what?

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Sleep score on record.

• 1:28:41Bill Maher?

  They score it?

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So through a wearable. So you can, you can actually, so you can measure everything. So I have eight months of perfect sleep. So by a wearable standards, what is deep, what is REM, how long to go to sleep, how much you wake.

• 1:28:54Bill Maher?

  Is this the thing on your dick that measures it? No, is it?

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  No, it's different.

• 1:28:57Bill Maher?

  Oh, it's different. Where's this one?

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  This one's here.

• 1:28:59Bill Maher?

  Okay. So you wear something on your dick and something on your wrist.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:29:02Bill Maher?

  Anything else? Any other apparatus while you're sleeping?

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  My bed is full of sensors.

• 1:29:07Bill Maher?

  Full of sensors? Right.

• 1:29:10Bill Maher?

  Does it, if you, if you have a partner in bed, does it measure them too? Does it?

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Bill Maher?

  Does?

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  Yes, but I never sleep with partners in bed.

• 1:29:18Bill Maher?

  For health reasons?

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Yes. Yes.

• 1:29:21Bill Maher?

  Why? Because they kick?

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:29:24Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:24Bill Maher?

  They could have disturbed your sleep?

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  They're a.

• 1:29:26Bill Maher?

  Bitches.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  They're a.

• 1:29:27Bill Maher?

  Christ, chicks, always kicking, fucking disturbing sleep. No, really?

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  They're a variable in a control experiment.

• 1:29:36Bill Maher?

  It's true. You gotta find a chick who would sleep like a log. That's the secret of life.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  It's very disruptive.

• 1:29:41Bill Maher?

  It is very disruptive. Oh, there are plenty of people who, who sleep next to a snoring machine.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:29:48Bill Maher?

  My mother did, like, like really loud.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 1:29:53Bill Maher?

  It's crazy. It's crazy.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  It's so normalized. Nobody can see it. It's insane.

• 1:29:58Bill Maher?

  So, okay, so bitch be gone. I gotta get my sleep.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, so I've had this conversation and like sometimes it's tough, right? Like it's.

• 1:30:10Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  Like when I, so when I go on a date with someone.

• 1:30:13Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  I'll say, I'm just gonna be upfront and tell you the 10 reasons why you're gonna hate me at exactly eight months.

• 1:30:20Bill Maher?

  Oh, you're a billionaire. I don't think you need to go into that. I think you're fine. But what restaurant serves seeds and legumes? That's what I'm saying. When you, when you, when you go out, when you go out to the polo lounge, like,

• 1:30:36Bill Maher?

  are the leaves fresh tonight?

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I really try to not be a dick.

• 1:30:41Bill Maher?

  But how do you go on a date when you eat like this?

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, I'll try to find the most low key path to not be a dick. So I'll see the menu, like the menu shit. So I say something like, can I get these steamed vegetables, like these broccolis and carrots?

• 1:30:57Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  And like, yeah, sure, we can just whip it up.

• 1:30:59Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  Great. And so then I'll just nibble, like I won't eat a lot, but I, I just don't want to.

• 1:31:03Bill Maher?

  Because you never know what they're doing in the kitchen.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  You don't. I don't, I, so I.

• 1:31:08Bill Maher?

  No, it's true.

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  I don't trust. I've now tested, because when we were doing this, I began testing every single thing, every single pill I took, every single food I ate, we test for heavy metals, for microtoxins, for agrochemical, like, we tested everything. You know, we found like the global food supply is terrifyingly dirty.

• 1:31:26Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  Like, I, I know it's dirty.

• 1:31:28Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  It is bad.

• 1:31:30Bill Maher?

  And that's, and that's the good food. That's not even, you're not even talking about the stuff that we know is shit, like fast food.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:31:36Bill Maher?

  Not we know.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:31:37Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. So now I, I cannot go to the store now and buy food. I just know too much. I've seen it.

• 1:31:44Bill Maher?

  Not even Air One?

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  No. There is no safe place.

• 1:31:47Bill Maher?

  No, there isn't. But there isn't any safe place. You're breathing air.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:31:52Bill Maher?

  In California.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:53Bill Maher?

  So Brian, you're never really going to be at that place where you want to be.

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  Except for my house has perfect air. I have, I have an air filter in every room.

• 1:32:01Bill Maher?

  But you have to go outside too, to be healthy, don't you?

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:04Bill Maher?

  Sunshine, there's another one.

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:06Bill Maher?

  That I do, like, one of those things that I didn't used to do, like, make sure I get, um, like, twenty minutes at least.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:14Bill Maher?

  You know, excite my vitamin D.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  I'm with you.

• 1:32:17Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:18Bill Maher?

  Things like that. I mean, I do a lot of good things for me. I did a lot of bad things. I do a few bad now. But I don't want to give up going to a restaurant. I'm sophisticated. I can't be fucking eating legumes. Are you kidding?

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  What are you gonna order? What's, so pull up the menu, what are, what are your eyes?

• 1:32:36Bill Maher?

  That's the thing. It's like, I don't like fancy restaurants, which I like the atmosphere, but not the food.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:42Bill Maher?

  If I'm actually gonna eat shit food, I'd rather go to Mel's. And have fucking diner food, which I love.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. What would you do, like burger, steak, fries?

• 1:32:51Bill Maher?

  I can have a burger. You know, I'll probably take off the bun.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you got standards?

• 1:32:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I have, I have hopes and dreams, Brian. I have hopes and dreams, that's all.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  So having a bun off.

• 1:33:03Bill Maher?

  I'm trying to do, you know, fish. But, you know, I will always joke with the waiter, like, you know, it's, if you think that that's a bass, go ahead. But, but just between you and me, bro, I don't know what the fuck it is.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  No one knows.

• 1:33:16Bill Maher?

  They caught something down there and they're thankful anything is still alive down there. So there's no such thing as Chilean beebah. There isn't. We actually made it up and we drove it to extinction. I love that. We made up and finished, then drove it to extinction.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  No one knows. That's so true.

• 1:33:33Bill Maher?

  But, you know, it's fish. I mean, everything's polluted.

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:36Bill Maher?

  Everything. When I was packing the bag to bug out of here when the fire came, you know, I don't normally have tuna because it's full of mercury.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:47Bill Maher?

  But I put, am I gonna starve?

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  Can tuna?

• 1:33:50Bill Maher?

  There with the zombies?

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:52Bill Maher?

  Or am I gonna have the tuna? I'm gonna have the tuna, Brian.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, makes sense. I understand that.

• 1:33:56Bill Maher?

  You know, there's a fire.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:58Bill Maher?

  And tuna is.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Pull it out.

• 1:34:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah. So I'm aware of all these, but you can't, I mean, we're breathing, you have to get somehow from my house to your, your house.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:09Bill Maher?

  You're gonna breathe some air.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:12Bill Maher?

  You know, you can't, and I, I just wonder how much at the end of the day, all the things you're doing, you stack it up against, you know, some Italian dude who smokes all day, but he's got this great attitude and he's married 70 years, but he still loves his wife so much and the kids and he plays bocce. And, you know, it's just, I just think it's all, as you, to your point, we don't know. And there's an essential contradiction, really, in your thinking. That we, on the one hand, we don't know and it's all a mystery. But somehow, I'm gonna go by the data and I'm gonna get to the right, maybe.

• 1:34:55Bill Maher?

  I, I get why you're doing it. I admire it. I wish I had that discipline.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  You know what God does?

• 1:35:00Bill Maher?

  Laughs at us.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  He doesn't die. The first thing he does is he secures his existence. That's the, he doesn't say, how do I get high? How do I get drunk? He secures his existence. That was, that is the most intelligent expression. And then he says, or he, then it, whatever form it says, it says, what is the available energy accessible to me in this universe? Like what, what do I have to deal with? Like, how many stars are there? What's the energy capacity? What can I harness? What's the, what's, what is entropy? Like, what's the burn rate of this energy process? He's assessing what is the battery life of the universe? So don't die, the battery life of the universe. That's what he says very first.

• 1:35:46Bill Maher?

  It sounds like when you left Mormonism, you didn't quite leave the God thing totally behind, Brian.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  But you know what they did?

• 1:35:53Bill Maher?

  I'm not, I'm not criticizing. I'm just saying, God comes up a lot.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  But you know what they, what they did really cool is Mormonism for, for all the flaws of that religion, there's many positive things about it. They really went after this philosophical question of what is intelligence? Like, what can you expect of intelligence? And what is the expression of intelligence? I really appreciate it. And so if you, if I say, okay, I have desires as an intelligent being, but what are, if I were to rate, what are the quality of my desires? What's the quality of my intelligence? It's primitive relative to this higher level. And so I say to myself that every manifestation of my intelligence right now is primitive

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  because it's inferior to this ultimate expression that you just don't want to die. And the other side, like, once you say that, people are, but wait, what are we gonna do? Everyone, like, it's so bored. Like, everyone's gonna die. I don't want to. The same fucking arguments every single time. And the point is, we are stupid as fuck. We are idiotic, we are short-term, we can't think past wanting to get high. One second, we can't see the unreal gift that we are conscious in this moment. And that we are about to give birth to superintelligence. Fucking insane. It is the coolest opportunity that's ever happened. And it's right here, right now in front of us.

• 1:37:25Bill Maher?

  And it could be the end of us too.

• 1:37:27Speaker 01

  Sure, but like this is the get like the insanity of this opportunity is just like we can't even comprehend it. And we cannot get past our primitive selves to like overcome these base desires. And that's, that's what I think this ideology is in this moment. And this is why trying to explain this to humans, right? Like we are so consumed by our reality that we can't see past one step. And like I've, I've been doing these don't die dinners at my house. I invite like 15 people over. We have a conversation and I give them five.

• 1:38:01Bill Maher?

  What do you serve?

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  Well, what are the sex rituals like?

• 1:38:04Bill Maher?

  No, but like what, what are we eating at this dinner?

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  People love the food.

• 1:38:08Bill Maher?

  Is it your food?

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  All my food. And people come in, they're like, I'm suspicious.

• 1:38:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'd be, I'd be very curious.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  It's delicious.

• 1:38:16Bill Maher?

  Invite me.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, come.

• 1:38:17Bill Maher?

  I would love to come to one of your don't die dinners.

• 1:38:19Speaker 01

  It's a two hour long conversation and I, I serve up five thought experiments. And it's almost like a mystery dinner where 15 people are trying to solve a puzzle together. And we walk through the serpent time path and it's deeply philosophical and practical and emotional. And you arrive at an endpoint and it's a spectacular experience.

• 1:38:41Bill Maher?

  I was gonna do ayahuasca with Aaron Rodgers, but this sounds bad.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And honestly, it'd probably be good on you. I should initiate this conversation.

• 1:38:51Bill Maher?

  Brian, I don't know why you have all these haters. I think you're great.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:38:56Bill Maher?

  I thought this was so much fun.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  What did you expect?

• 1:39:00Bill Maher?

  Very little expectations. Um, like I said, you know, I may have done a couple of jokes, but as someone who's very interested in health and trying to keep it together as long as I can and feeling like I do a lot of stuff. I was very interested in someone who's like basically on that page, but just taking it to the next degree.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:19Bill Maher?

  So I never, I certainly never thought you were a nut.

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I I respect your love and passion for life.

• 1:39:29Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  I I agree with you, like the the insatiable appetite to experience existence. And a lot of people like my father's seventy two. He turned seventy two today, and he also has this vivaciousness.

• 1:39:42Bill Maher?

  You gotta.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  He just like just loves every single day.

• 1:39:46Bill Maher?

  I mean, you can do all this stuff with the data and the lagoons. And if you don't have a passion for life and you don't want to live, it'll all do no good. That I mean, I really, I really believe that. So you gotta have both, but I'm glad you're out there on the front line doing the data mining. And I'm going to be taking advantage of.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:07Bill Maher?

  Everything you learn.

• 1:40:08Speaker 01

  I I will share everything I know.

• 1:40:09Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

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• 1:40:12Bill Maher?

  All right, pal. Great to meet you. All right.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for having me.

• 1:40:21Bill Maher?

  All right. Now you're gonna have to breathe some impure air.

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  I think I think I got high.

• 1:40:28Bill Maher?

  I hope so. Well, knowing how pure you are, you probably did.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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