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0:03 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to this car pod.
0:07 Speaker 01 I'm Kenan.
0:07 Speaker 02 I'm Felipe.
0:08 Doug DeMuro? And let's start with news, cuz there's a lot of it.
0:11 Speaker 02 This is the new Subaru Outback.
0:13 Doug DeMuro? Yes, it is. The new Subaru Outback, and you hate it.
0:17 Speaker 02 I don't love the sound. Okay, but you know the Subaru Outback?
0:19 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
0:20 Speaker 02 Everybody has one.
0:21 Doug DeMuro? They're pretty common.
0:22 Speaker 02 The entire world has one.
0:23 Doug DeMuro? There's a lot.
0:24 Speaker 02 My sister, my mother-in-law, all of our friends, your father.
0:27 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
0:27 Speaker 02 Your, presumably, your family.
0:29 Doug DeMuro? Everybody. I grew up in Colorado. Everybody I knew as a kid, I had one.
0:31 Speaker 02 Alright, well.
0:32 Doug DeMuro? We never did.
0:32 Speaker 02 This is the same, in that it's the same powertrains.
0:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
0:36 Speaker 02 Uh, the same ride height, which is notable cuz it already has more ride height than most SUVs.
0:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
0:40 Speaker 02 Sorry, ground clearance. Uh, but what they've done is they've added two inches of height to the body itself.
0:45 Doug DeMuro? It does look taller. More SUV-ish than before, and it had already been trending in that direction, cuz it started life as a wagon.
0:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
0:52 Doug DeMuro? And it, I mean.
0:53 Speaker 02 Now it's a straight-up crossover.
0:54 Doug DeMuro? We're stopping, pretty soon, we're not gonna be able to pretend anymore.
0:57 Speaker 02 There were a lot of debates about whether the current Outback is a wagon. Comparatively, it is the most wagon-y wagon known to me.
1:05 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so you don't like how it looks. Kenan?
1:07 Speaker 02 No.
1:07 Doug DeMuro? Go to Google and pull up a couple more pictures of the new, here we go, the new Outback. This was just revealed minutes ago, and, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's squarish. I gotta tell you, I don't, I'm not obsessed with it either, however, I have not liked any generation of Outback styling since the one that ended in like 09.
1:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was a good gen.
1:24 Doug DeMuro? And I'll be honest with you, the, the car world is going squarer. Like, that's what's happening in the car world.
1:31 Speaker 01 Well, especially for off-road stuff. I mean, Toyota made that pretty clear, and Lexus too, with the stuff they rolled out recently.
1:35 Doug DeMuro? The GX, the Land Cruiser, the Telluride, the Palisade, they've all got squarer.
1:39 Speaker 01 I mean, the Bronco, I mean, everything is very.
1:41 Doug DeMuro? People love these boxy.
1:42 Speaker 02 And that's, yeah.
1:43 Doug DeMuro? The squareness isn't the problem.
1:45 Speaker 02 Yes, it is.
1:45 Doug DeMuro? You don't like the wheel arches.
1:47 Speaker 02 Okay, okay. Pull up another, another rear photo.
1:50 Doug DeMuro? That one?
1:51 Speaker 02 No, that one looks too nice.
1:53 Doug DeMuro? Pull up an ugly photo.
1:55 Speaker 02 Cherry pick.
1:57 Doug DeMuro? That's what it looks like.
1:58 Speaker 02 It just looks like, I, okay, it actually looks weirdly wagon-y in this.
2:02 Doug DeMuro? This may be your rendering.
2:04 Speaker 02 Regardless, I don't, I, this sounds not for me, there's a lot of plastic, especially in the Wilderness trim. It just isn't quite.
2:11 Doug DeMuro? But the Wilderness has always had a lot of plastic, that's like the thing. So they revealed this at New York, go back, oh, you did, Dive in 26, yeah, there's not a lot of pictures of it on there of it yet, because it's just been revealed moments ago.
2:22 Speaker 01 Maybe it's, I like the way it looks.
2:24 Speaker 02 You like that rear, the, the detail with the.
2:27 Speaker 01 There's a lot going on, but like, it's, I don't, it's not offensive.
2:31 Doug DeMuro? One interesting thing to me, I will say about this, um, there is, the, like you said, the powertrain is the same. It's a two and a half liter flat four, 180 horsepower.
2:39 Speaker 02 Or with a turbo.
2:40 Doug DeMuro? This is, or there's a turbo one with 260 horsepower. But that base engine, which is what almost everyone gets, has been the engine in the Outback since I was a child. So like, I'm not screaming with you, like, every Outback, it used to be 165 horsepower, but then it actually like 170, then it was 175, now it's 180. But like, it's the same engine. It's crazy, they're still getting away with it.
3:01 Speaker 02 I know. And people, by the way, you should know that Subaru's sales numbers are up month over month over month over month over month for something like the last.
3:08 Doug DeMuro? Three years or something.
3:09 Speaker 02 So I, I could claim here that they are misunderstanding their consumer, and that people are buying the Outback over the Forester, over other SUVs in the segment, because they want to be more wagon-y. But honestly, I'm wrong, because Subaru sells more cars every month.
3:21 Doug DeMuro? There is some wagon-y thing that they still have to be tied to, that I think some people who buy this want to have sort of a wholier-than-thou attitude that they don't have a SUV.
3:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, and that goes away a little bit here.
3:31 Doug DeMuro? I, I, I think everybody considers this a wagon, even if dimensionally it might not be, I think like, mentally, when we think of the Outback, it's a wagon, you know?
3:40 Speaker 02 Can we pull up their new other wagon?
3:41 Doug DeMuro? Okay, Subaru also revealed the Trail Seeker. Do we have that someplace?
3:47 Speaker 02 Subaru Trail Seeker. The, the, the Trail Seeker, which actually looks more wagon-y, uh.
3:52 Doug DeMuro? It is, especially in the, in the photo, one, one down from that.
3:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:56 Speaker 01 It's the same photo cropped, I believe.
3:58 Speaker 02 Sorry, one more down. It was.
4:00 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
4:00 Doug DeMuro? Keep, one, one, I think this, I think this one.
4:03 Speaker 02 No, go to far left, far left, far left. No, down, down. All right. Yeah, no, I mean, look at that. That looks cool. What the Trailseeker is.
4:10 Speaker 01 It's the same photo, for those who are listening.
4:12 Speaker 02 From the rear. What the Trailseeker is. The Subaru Solterra, which is also known as the Toyota BZ4X, with some capitalization. I don't remember which one.
4:21 Doug DeMuro? Lowercase b, uppercase z, four.
4:23 Speaker 02 Uh, uppercase x. This is just six inches longer than a BZ4.
4:27 Doug DeMuro? But Filippo, it's better. It has, they claim 375 horsepower.
4:30 Speaker 01 Well, that's pretty.
4:31 Doug DeMuro? 0.60 and 4.3. I gotta be honest with you. The Subaru Solterra is the worst car on sale. It's, I, I'm, I'm out there, I'm saying it. The worst car on sale.
4:40 Speaker 02 It's tied.
4:41 Doug DeMuro? With the BZ4.
4:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, correct.
4:43 Doug DeMuro? They are the worst cars for sale today. The ugliest, worst value, overpriced, bad performance, bad range. Everything about them is terrible. This is appealing.
4:52 Speaker 02 This looks better. I will say, it has 260 miles of range, which is not that competitive.
4:56 Doug DeMuro? It's not terrible.
4:57 Speaker 02 It's not that competitive.
4:58 Doug DeMuro? It, it could, it could, it could be a little more. But if it was 300, it'd be fine.
5:01 Speaker 02 But it does have 8.3 inches of ground clearance, or something thereabouts. Uh, most, and it looks pretty good. You make it look better.
5:08 Doug DeMuro? Is it better looking than the Outback? So suddenly, there's an alternative.
5:11 Speaker 02 Okay, it depends on where you look at it. From the, to the front, no, because I don't. So the, the Solterra has been refreshed with a new front end.
5:17 Doug DeMuro? You don't like how this looks?
5:20 Speaker 02 It's the same front end that's on the Trailseeker. Just, I should have said, sorry.
5:24 Doug DeMuro? You don't like how this looks?
5:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's on my hair.
5:26 Doug DeMuro? This looks nice. It looks like a sportier, like, more accessible Outback. Honestly, this is how the Outback, go down to that picture in the, like, in real life. It looks kinda cool.
5:34 Speaker 02 It's also only a few inches shorter. I think something like three inches shorter than the current Outback. I have now confirmed against the new one.
5:40 Doug DeMuro? So this is Outback size, it's all electric. Turns, this is an appealing car.
5:43 Speaker 02 That becomes an appealing car. Now, 260 miles of range is not a great introduction.
5:46 Doug DeMuro? No, but 375 horses.
5:48 Speaker 02 Yeah. My favorite, yeah, for all, every Subaru owner has made do with 170 horsepower for the last two decades. I don't think they care that much about going up an extra 200.
5:56 Doug DeMuro? Maybe they're trying to get new customers.
5:58 Speaker 02 There's, there's. Yeah, the, the WRX come by.
5:59 Doug DeMuro? There's a Highlander now, and a Grand Highlander.
6:02 Speaker 02 Highlander, right.
6:02 Doug DeMuro? Subaru's gotta step up their game. They don't have to have a Highlander, they got a Grand Highlander.
6:07 Speaker 02 They don't just need the Solterra, they need to seek trails.
6:10 Doug DeMuro? Uh huh.
6:10 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
6:11 Speaker 02 The best part about it, though, just because I, I find this amusing, is because it's based on the BZ4X, it has a new infotainment system that is identical to the Lexus infotainment system. So it's the largest, it's a larger screen, but it is.
6:24 Doug DeMuro? This is the one I have in my.
6:25 Speaker 02 It is the Lexus.
6:26 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, it is the Lexus one because it has the Lexus dials.
6:28 Speaker 02 Which I found.
6:29 Doug DeMuro? Here's a question for you. Toyota must, there's gonna be a Toyota version of this.
6:33 Speaker 02 There's gonna be.
6:34 Doug DeMuro? You gotta assume. You gotta assume if they're doing this, the cars are made on the same platform. The only way they can justify the continued production of the trash BZ4X is by making a better.
6:42 Speaker 02 What do you think of BZ6X?
6:43 Doug DeMuro? Maybe.
6:44 Speaker 02 BZ8X?
6:45 Doug DeMuro? Maybe they should just name it something.
6:47 Speaker 02 BZ4X Plus?
6:47 Doug DeMuro? It's funny because Toyota's leaned into these wagons. They got the BZ4X, they have the Crown Caliber.
6:52 Speaker 02 What's it called?
6:52 Doug DeMuro? Cognac. I don't know, I don't understand any of it. That's a watch reference for Kenan.
6:57 Speaker 02 I enjoyed the.
6:59 Doug DeMuro? But there's gonna be a Toyota version, I bet.
7:01 Speaker 02 You gotta assume.
7:02 Doug DeMuro? That's interesting. A Toyota wagon with all wheel drive and 400 horsepower? That's appealing.
7:07 Speaker 02 Doesn't, does Crown Signia have that?
7:09 Doug DeMuro? Crown Signia is like a four cylinder hybrid thing and, and they claim it's not a wagon.
7:14 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
7:14 Speaker 02 Subaru news is over.
7:15 Doug DeMuro? Subaru news is over, but that's, that's a lot of big news. The Outback is one of the best selling cars in the United States. And when a new one comes, it's definitely worth discussing. And I think that the Sunseeker Trailhawk Seeker Trail.
7:24 Speaker 02 Yep.
7:25 Doug DeMuro? Is a pretty appealing vehicle too.
7:26 Speaker 02 I'll nail it.
7:27 Doug DeMuro? I.
7:27 Speaker 02 Thanks. We'll see these everywhere. Subaru will sell a lot of them.
7:31 Doug DeMuro? I like it.
7:31 Speaker 02 I, it looks like.
7:32 Doug DeMuro? I'm trying to find a nice.
7:33 Speaker 02 The new Santa Fe.
7:34 Doug DeMuro? You probably hated the new Santa Fe when it was first shown.
7:37 Speaker 02 I actually really almost.
7:37 Doug DeMuro? Oh, my God, but this one you don't like.
7:39 Speaker 02 Something about the D pillar being plastic makes it look like, have you seen a Honda BRV?
7:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
7:47 Speaker 02 What is that? Which is like a Latin American market, cheap seven seater.
7:52 Doug DeMuro? You're going down a really narrow road with only a few people on it.
7:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, be careful, don't fall off the side there. It, it looks like a car built by a developing market brand for a developing market.
8:04 Doug DeMuro? Okay, it's not good enough for Felipe. Well, it's good enough for Doug.
8:07 Speaker 02 Must be nice to be rich, Felipe.
8:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, move on to the next one, which is the Sunseeker. Okay. Next one is this.
8:13 Speaker 02 Mercury, so they're.
8:13 Doug DeMuro? Changing gears.
8:14 Speaker 02 I'm like Subaru's all CVT.
8:16 Doug DeMuro? Oh, nice.
8:17 Speaker 02 Thank you, thank you.
8:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
8:18 Speaker 02 Well, for the W R. Joke's on you because it's electric, so there are no gears. So anyway, so the, so we're talking about McMurtry. They recently put out a video this week of their car being upside down. Now, cars have been driven upside down in the past.
8:29 Doug DeMuro? How wheels?
8:30 Speaker 02 Yes, the, the idea being that the.
8:31 Speaker 01 Car generates so much downforce that it exceeds the weight of the car, meaning that it can drive upside down. The interesting thing about it, though, was this car wasn't actually driving when it did it. It's just using the fans because it's a fan car. So it's just using the ground effect fans on it to suck air, and it's just on, it can be flipped upside down. That's how much downforce generates.
8:51 Doug DeMuro? And as a result, you agree this is kind of BS. This is like the bouncing car.
8:55 Speaker 01 I mean, it's BS in that obviously it's clearly a stunt. But I mean, it can do, the fact that it can do it is insane.
9:03 Doug DeMuro? But it's using fans to do the downforce. When we think of having enough downforce to drive a car upside down, we're thinking of aero downforce.
9:11 Speaker 01 But this, yes.
9:12 Doug DeMuro? I know it has fans and it can do it. I get it, but like.
9:14 Speaker 01 Oh, it's driving.
9:15 Doug DeMuro? You get what I'm saying. Like, I want to see, everybody's always said a Salina 7 has enough downforce to operate upside down. I want to see that 200 miles an hour upside down. That's the cool thing we're all hoping to see. This is like it's cheating the system. Like, it has fans that are providing the downforce rather than the aero on the car.
9:31 Speaker 01 Correct.
9:31 Doug DeMuro? So it's a little.
9:32 Speaker 01 Right, but then it does still have aero, so you can only imagine the amount of downforce it has, and all of it works together.
9:37 Doug DeMuro? And I get that the point that they're making is that, but what I want to see, and what I think that he wants to see, is a car driving upside down at 200 miles an hour.
9:45 Speaker 01 Could I be honest? I don't care about seeing any of that. Who is McMurtry? So this is an electric car that was built like just for track use only, basically, and it has dominated everything. It debuted at Goodwood, I think, last year. It was like watching, it was like watching sped up footage of how fast it was because of the amount of downforce it generates. It's largely, I mean, you can buy them. They are ludicrously expensive. Yes.
10:09 Doug DeMuro? You don't know about this car?
10:10 Speaker 01 I have never heard.
10:12 Doug DeMuro? Pull up a picture because he's going to be blown away by what it looks like.
10:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's, it's a. The McMurtry?
10:17 Doug DeMuro? It's called the McMurtry Spurling. It might be Spurling, but we call, we say Spurling. And the cool thing about it is it looks like a meme in itself. It's, the wheelbase is really short and it's like kind of a laughable little thing.
10:28 Speaker 01 It is, but what's not laughable is the performance. I mean, it's.
10:30 Doug DeMuro? And apparently the downforce.
10:32 Speaker 01 And the downforce isn't. Is that the same car?
10:34 Doug DeMuro? No, there's a new car. Yeah, no, it's the same car. This is the car that has the downforce that went upside down. Pull up a video for him because when you see it in motion is when you realize that it does. Doesn't make any sense. Do you agree?
10:44 Speaker 01 Like I said, it looks like sped up footage. It's hard to like comprehend that.
10:49 Doug DeMuro? Look, look how little it is. Look at that.
10:51 Speaker 01 That is tiny. Shout out to our friend.
10:53 Doug DeMuro? Matt Watson killing it. Look at that thing. Isn't that hilarious? It doesn't look real, does it? Okay, that's, we're good. I believe Filippo understands the concept now.
11:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's very, very fast. Highly encourage you to go watch it slap a good one because it is otherworldly.
11:06 Doug DeMuro? I can't believe you don't know about the Spurly. God, he, he only knows electric Subaru wagons. Between the two of you, you got the whole car industry.
11:13 Speaker 01 It is electric also, to be clear.
11:14 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, that, that, you know. Zero to sixty in one point five seconds. You watch videos of it going and it's like, how is this real?
11:21 Speaker 01 I saw it at Laguna Seca last year. I actually saw one spin out, which was impressive, given the amount of downforce.
11:27 Speaker 01 But it went to watch it go around like Laguna Seca two is crazy. And the amount of dirt that it kicks up as a result of its suction to the ground is remarkable.
11:37 Doug DeMuro? I think that, I think that this, this stunt was cool. It was cool to see the downforce demonstrated. However, I think when people think about the concept of the car providing so much downforce it can drive upside down, you're thinking about it using the aerodynamic downforce that's like passive rather than an active system that's keeping it on the, that's just my thought. I think it's cool, but I think it's a little bit of a gimmick.
11:54 Speaker 01 Wow, you really don't like Gordon Murray, huh? The whole fan car thing.
11:57 Doug DeMuro? Gordon Murray's involved in this?
11:58 Speaker 01 Well, no, but he was the one who kind of pioneered the fan car design and like that's, it's his baby.
12:02 Doug DeMuro? I like Gordon. I like Gordon.
12:03 Speaker 01 Do you like that it says McMurtry parking only upside down?
12:06 Doug DeMuro? Upside down.
12:06 Speaker 01 You like that?
12:08 Doug DeMuro? All right. Next news story, and this is a huge one. Oh, yeah, Miata.
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13:13 Doug DeMuro? Go for it.
13:14 Speaker 02 All of the car magazines, blogs, etc. Have been talking about a series of interviews that the chief technical officer of Mazda, whose name I will not try to pronounce, where he and some other people from the Mazda team spoke about the next generation Miata. So we're currently on the ND Miata, North Dakota. We will...
13:35 Doug DeMuro? We call it the ND. The next one is going to be called the Nebraska, though. I think we're all in agreement. Enthusiasts?
13:40 Speaker 02 The broad understanding is that the ND will be around until 2030. So we have four or five more years of ND. But they are, they are working on the next generation one. And crucially, they've said that it will be lighter than the current one. And that lightness and lightness and lightness are what's most important to the Miata. By the way, that is pulled almost verbatim from a quote they have where the most important thing about the Miata is lightness, but the second most important thing is lightness. It always has been. That's not a surprise. I know it's gotten heavier in general. There were news from the Mazda dealers in the US that asked for it to be more powerful and a little bit bigger. And Mazda corporate has said, no, we're going to make it less powerful or about the same power for emissions reasons to be emissions compliant. But we're also going to make it about the same size and lighter and have a manual.
14:24 Speaker 02 Which there's no other new cars planned for 2030 that kind of are four-cylinder, naturally aspirated, light with a manual.
14:32 Doug DeMuro? I was reading this news story and I was astonished to see that Mazda is claiming that Americans specifically wanted the car to be bigger and more. That may be, some dealers may have requested that. Every person I know who's into the Miata wants a light, small, lightweight, little car. Like the NA. In the ND.
14:49 Speaker 02 Did you know that the ND is shorter than the NA?
14:51 Doug DeMuro? Nah, makes sense. Based on how it looks, that makes sense. And the ND is only slightly heavier than the NA. The ND is the second latest Miata.
14:58 Speaker 02 It's honestly impressive when you can have a safe, modern car.
15:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
15:01 Speaker 02 That is lighter than a-
15:02 Doug DeMuro? When you think about how many more regulations they had in 2015 versus the 1990, 25 years earlier. It's an impressive car. I think, I still think the ND is the best Miata I ever made.
15:10 Speaker 02 Yep.
15:11 Doug DeMuro? And, um-
15:12 Speaker 02 I want one.
15:13 Doug DeMuro? You don't? What, are you like the NA? What, are you an NB man?
15:16 Speaker 01 I'm an NA man. I love the NA.
15:18 Doug DeMuro? Have you driven an ND?
15:19 Speaker 01 I have. I did. I drove an ND, uh, that was on the first sale on the site.
15:23 Doug DeMuro? And how could you disagree?
15:24 Speaker 01 And I did, I did love the ND and that one had a supercharger. That was the only modification. Just brought the power up and it was perfect.
15:31 Doug DeMuro? I think that the, I think the ND is amazing. I, I'm shocked to hear them say that they, that they, Americans want more size. Everybody I know who likes this car likes it for its little size. And the, and the NC has always been the stepchild of the whole family because it did get a little bit bigger.
15:45 Speaker 02 And power retractable hardtop.
15:47 Doug DeMuro? Well, there was a power retractable hardtop version, just like there is of this.
15:49 Speaker 01 And it was tough.
15:50 Speaker 02 The RS.
15:51 Speaker 01 And stuff, but.
15:52 Speaker 02 Target.
15:53 Doug DeMuro? It's a retractable hardtop.
15:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, partially. I, I will say-
15:56 Doug DeMuro? Five more years.
15:58 Speaker 02 That is what the rumors are. They, they did not confirm that.
16:01 Speaker 01 Exactly. The car isn't in production yet. There's-
16:03 Speaker 02 No, but, but it's important that, that they're committed to the lightness and the kind of size that it is right now.
16:10 Speaker 01 That means that they're, yes, they're committed to Miata.
16:12 Speaker 02 Notable.
16:12 Doug DeMuro? They're committed to Miata. I do wonder, the next one, is it gonna be all gas? We can have it in a manual hybrid like the CRZ?
16:17 Speaker 02 They have talked about the fact that-
16:19 Speaker 01 I don't know where that car is.
16:20 Speaker 02 Assuming that they can, their plan is to basically stick with a naturally aspirated 4.0 or non-hybrid. They did recognize in some of the interviews, I like, there's a chance that that changes on the world stage where they have no choice. But till they, while they can, they're not planning on going hybrid or electric with it. But it will be very fuel efficient, which makes sense because it is. Uh, I think that this is cool. It's great that somebody's sticking with it. We make a lot of fun of Porsche for planning on an electric- Boxer that we think nobody will buy.
16:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
16:47 Speaker 02 Mazda's doing the opposite. It's also been interesting to see how they positioned the Mazda internally, right? They view it as their halo car. Their brand is about
16:54 Doug DeMuro? It is.
16:54 Speaker 02 Driving dynamics and having fun to drive cars. And their only real fun to drive car is the Miata, but that's propelled the brand in that direction.
17:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I completely agree with all that. And I think that that's all accurate. And I do agree that it's nice to see them committing to it and and BRZ and FRS. And I think that any sports car these days, especially an affordable sports car that is being committed to by an automaker to this day is like a great thing. I was surprised to see a second gen of the BRZ and FRS. I'm kind of surprised Mazda was always going to do another Miata, but you were always kind of wondering where it was going to go. It sounds like it's going to stay true to
17:28 Speaker 02 With 15 year product cycles.
17:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
17:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, they are long, but it is, it's just, they're just wonderful.
17:33 Doug DeMuro? The MD had a lot of good updates throughout.
17:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:35 Doug DeMuro? Got more power, got the RF.
17:36 Speaker 01 Yep.
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19:13 Doug DeMuro? To see it.
19:14 Speaker 02 To see it.
19:14 Doug DeMuro? Officially. Now, some photos leaked on the internet like eight weeks ago and so everybody actually, everybody interested actually has already seen it. But I was the first to officially saw it. And so just like the Camry.
19:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:26 Doug DeMuro? Uh, where I was the first person to drive.
19:28 Speaker 02 It's all true, or are you making this up?
19:29 Doug DeMuro? No, I'm dead serious, cuz I, cuz I asked him, cuz I shot it ahead of time. Like the Camry. And so they said I'm the first person to see it. So, obviously I have a huge, huge emotional attachment to the car, which was revealed this morning.
19:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:41 Doug DeMuro? Um, enormous personal, uh, uh, uh, belovedness for the car.
19:47 Speaker 02 Did you like it?
19:48 Doug DeMuro? Admiration. You know, I don't, I don't really remember. I had like two hours with it and it came and gone, so I, I don't, but, but it looks cool.
19:53 Speaker 02 I think it looks great and it will sell well. The question would be, what does the Kia Telluride look like?
19:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I'm very curious what Telluride looks like cuz, cuz, cuz Palisade has gone square. There's a couple new things that are interesting about Palisade. And by the way, this is an important news story beyond the fact that I was the first person to be around it. Because Palisade is a really popular product. Honestly, it's still popular.
20:11 Speaker 02 Yep.
20:12 Doug DeMuro? And they're, and yet they're redesigning it. Like the current gen.
20:14 Speaker 02 Six years, five years in?
20:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's right. It came out 1819. The current gen is still really popular. They could've just continued it a couple more years. They've decided to invest in it. Couple interesting things. Number one, there is an off-road version called the XRT. Um, it has no differential lock. Um.
20:30 Speaker 02 It's really well.
20:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but now there's anybody else. The 4Runner does. It's a different kind of vehicle. In what way? Does the? The Sequoia does. Does the? I gotta find a rock creek. No, all those trash ones don't and, but the real ones do. No, I'm sorry, look, I like the new. They're not trying, they're trying to pretend, they're not trying. I know, but why pretend? You know what's so funny? People buy it. I, I love this so much. Everybody has watched the 4Runner succeed and everybody sits there going, wish we had that. And they say, what do you think we should do, Jim? And Jim's answer is, all-terrain tires and recovery hooks.
21:02 Speaker 02 And you know what?
21:03 Doug DeMuro? And Jim's answer, no it doesn't. The 4Runner is still the car everybody wants and this and the Explorer Timberline and the Pathfinder Rock Creek and the Honda Passport are cars that people make fun of.
21:13 Speaker 02 I don't know, I was just at an event and you could see the Honda Passports go over the, like they had like an off-road thing in a parking lot for the Passport. It did it.
21:21 Doug DeMuro? Oh, man, they did an off-road thing in a parking lot. Plus, last week, we saw that they dangled it from a straight. Right. The important, the actual important thing about new Palisade is there's gonna be a hybrid now. Yeah. Which is important. Which is a big deal. Yep. Um, and it's a pay extra dealie. It costs, it has more power, it's a four-cylinder, has more power and better fuel economy. And this is a running light, so it's always on. It's not a headlight. Where are the headlights?
21:44 Speaker 02 It's like, to the inside of it, wow.
21:46 Doug DeMuro? It doesn't have them. It's like Wrigley Field in the 1920s. You have to drive it during the day.
21:52 Speaker 01 Well, what an analogy that is.
21:53 Speaker 02 Can I ask you, look, I'm not gonna ask the question, you're not gonna give the answer?
21:56 Doug DeMuro? No, give me it all, I have all the answers about the Palisade. I know this car back in front.
22:00 Speaker 02 Hyundai's and Kia's hybrids generally have a DCT, so they have a real transmission that is both appreciated for that and disliked for that because it's a little bit odd, some reviews say.
22:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
22:10 Speaker 02 Do you know if this hybrid is the same setup?
22:12 Doug DeMuro? Uh, new Palisade hybrid transmission. Um, uh, I know it well, according to motorone.com anyway. No, all it says is 8-speed auto. I don't know, I haven't driven it. Nobody's driven the car yet, is the answer to your question. And, and there's, there is an answer, I'm sure, if you Google it. But like, I don't know how it feels and how it drives. Um, we'll find out. It's, it's going on sale like end of the summer, early fall. And so I hope to go to the press launch and drive the car and have a good time. Can I come with you? No, but I, uh, we can go to Telluride together. Kia's more R-speed. But I think it's cool as hell. That's so cool. What was your question, Ken?
22:45 Speaker 01 Uh, did they mention if they're gonna use the lights to differentiate the trims like they did on the Telluride? How the base was a white and the higher trim was a yellow?
22:52 Doug DeMuro? I'm curious about that. I mean, it's pretty... I filmed the top trim, which is now called the calligraphy, and it had white. Yeah, I think in the past, some of them...
23:00 Speaker 01 The white was the base trim and yellow was the...
23:02 Doug DeMuro? So my assumption is they're not gonna do that again. But it was interesting, not a lot of automakers have different lights depending on trims. Right, for the Toyota Land. The new Land Cruiser does, and the CLA did, remember?
23:13 Speaker 02 Volvo did in the X90.
23:14 Doug DeMuro? Volvo X90.
23:15 Speaker 01 It's just so there.
23:17 Doug DeMuro? It's really big.
23:18 Speaker 01 Huge.
23:19 Doug DeMuro? It's really big. And when you turn on the turn signal, that whole thing becomes. Now, keep in mind, this is the headlight. The headlight is the credit card.
23:26 Speaker 01 You know what it looks like? It looks like the Michelin Man's leg.
23:29 Doug DeMuro? It does.
23:29 Speaker 02 Oh, my God, it does.
23:30 Doug DeMuro? It absolutely looks like the Michelin Man's leg.
23:33 Speaker 02 You think they're getting some sponsorship money for this?
23:34 Speaker 01 Nah. If only, nah. Like, what, Continentals or what?
23:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it has like a very weak off-road tire, like, designed more for driving.
23:44 Speaker 02 That's who buys it.
23:45 Doug DeMuro? I want to be clear, I'm only making fun of the off-road version, which I think is a, I, I just, I don't like these half-assed off-roaders. I hate the Pathfinder Rock Creek. Like, there's a reason that Toyota kills it. Because they were willing to invest the money to actually produce the vehicle.
23:58 Speaker 02 Do you remember what the RAV4 off-road version was called?
24:00 Doug DeMuro? Um, Adventure.
24:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, and that was, that had a center locking diff, rear locking diff.
24:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
24:06 Speaker 02 No, it had none of that.
24:07 Doug DeMuro? No, it's stupid. That's the point. Toyota, the, the, the 4Runner kills it, and, and that's because they invested the money.
24:13 Speaker 02 And the Ulanhuser result.
24:15 Doug DeMuro? All the other stupid ones are stupid. However, the regular new Palisades seems very promising.
24:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:20 Speaker 01 There's the Doug DeMuro quote of the day, "All the other stupid ones are stupid."
24:23 Doug DeMuro? Am I wrong? Have you seen a Pathfinder Rock Creek? Pull it up.
24:26 Speaker 02 No.
24:26 Doug DeMuro? Pull it up.
24:26 Speaker 02 Have it in person, no.
24:27 Speaker 01 No.
24:28 Speaker 02 But are you also familiar with the Ioniq 5 XRT, which is a great off-roader?
24:34 Doug DeMuro? Pathfinder Rock Creek, look at this. They're like, ooh, how can we try to convince gullible people who are not sophisticated that we have a car that's equivalent to the 4Runner? Am I wrong? That's what this is.
24:44 Speaker 02 No, but it's no worse than the Explorer Timberline.
24:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, pull up the Explorer Timberline, any one of them.
24:49 Speaker 02 There's one parked down the street from me with Montana plates, which I find, they must be from Montana.
24:53 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, dude, if they got the Timberline, they are. Look at this. It's got red trim, so you know it's a really, really effective off-roader. Trash. Meanwhile, they all sit and look at Toyota going, how, why are they selling so much? How, how could it be?
25:06 Speaker 02 To be fair, Ford also has a Bronco.
25:07 Doug DeMuro? Why doesn't Ford, yeah, Ford, Ford, Ford did it right, too. Ford did it right, too. We'll give him credit. All right, give us the next news story. Speaking of off-roaders.
25:14 Speaker 01 That's so cool.
25:16 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of off-roaders and poorly designed things.
25:20 Speaker 01 No.
25:21 Doug DeMuro? No, no. The poor design is the name. No. Yeah. This is a new version of the G-Wagon, which is a great vehicle. Nobody would ever guess this name. It is called the G-Wagon Stronger Than the 1980s Edition.
25:36 Speaker 01 The Germans just cannot help themselves.
25:38 Doug DeMuro? They don't, they don't understand. The Germans, the problem with Germans is they understand what makes like a thing cool, but they don't understand like as a whole, but they don't understand like little, they kind of like don't get it. So like I drove that 911ST with the icons of cool puddle light. Like you open the door and it said icons of cool, which was kind of the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life.
25:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:58 Doug DeMuro? And here is the stronger than 1980s edition. Can you pull up the dashboard, please?
26:04 Speaker 01 Yes.
26:04 Doug DeMuro? Have you, you know what I'm talking about?
26:05 Speaker 01 Oh god.
26:06 Doug DeMuro? Have you seen this? Yeah. Stronger than 1980s. So it's, it's, it's a retro vehicle. It's a new G-Wagon, but the design is intended to look like. Looks great. The color is excellent. The wheels are excellent. This is on the dashboard. It literally, have you seen this?
26:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:21 Doug DeMuro? It literally is printed stronger than the 1980s.
26:24 Speaker 01 What is that font? What does that mean?
26:26 Doug DeMuro? What does it mean?
26:27 Speaker 01 Economically, we're stronger than the 1980s.
26:29 Doug DeMuro? I hope.
26:30 Speaker 01 Like socially, we're stronger than the 1980s. Well, Germany is united since the 1980s because they were divided then. And since the wall fell, it's stronger now.
26:38 Doug DeMuro? It's stronger now.
26:40 Speaker 01 That's right. Look at it. It's just, there it is flexing.
26:42 Doug DeMuro? I think it's cool as hell that they've done. What it basically is, is like a new G-Wagon, but it's got like black trim all around. It's got the orange turn signals. Apparently it's gonna have, go back. Is it, are they actually gonna do a, a cloth tire cover? How cool is that? It like, it looks like an 80s G-Wagon. It's just that the name, it even has the old Mercedes-Benz logo on the tail line. Oh, tailgate. It's just that the name's stronger than the 1980s. Thankfully it doesn't appear on the outside of the car. I love this though. This is a great.
27:08 Speaker 01 I love the, the only issue with this, the name. I love the rest of it. I love the wheel choices. I love the black.
27:12 Doug DeMuro? I am curious if the G-Wagon buyer is interested in a retro version.
27:17 Speaker 02 None of them are.
27:18 Doug DeMuro? Because like, right?
27:19 Speaker 01 The G-Wagon enthusiast who had liked this once like a base diesel slower than a rock rolling down a hill.
27:26 Doug DeMuro? Ian can't afford this. I mean, a base G is now 130 car.
27:29 Speaker 02 People bought the Land Cruiser Heritage, last year, the 22 year Land Cruiser, because they actually wanted to go off road.
27:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, there's a bigger.
27:36 Speaker 02 There's that.
27:36 Doug DeMuro? There's a bigger Land Cruiser enthusiast community, though, than a new G-Wagon enthusiast.
27:42 Speaker 02 I think there are some people that want a G-Wagon, don't want it to look like a G-Wagon. That is, they don't want the ostentatious sense of something.
27:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, our producer, honestly.
27:51 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I think it's cool as hell. I would love to get one. As a person who has an old G and is into this kind of stuff, I would never spend new G money. It's just not gonna happen. I feel like.
27:59 Speaker 02 They hold, I can imagine these holding their value incredibly well.
28:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah, no, they probably will.
28:04 Speaker 02 Especially the stronger than 1980s edition.
28:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, no, they probably will. I think it's cool that they're doing it. Ian, isn't this the O2 wheel?
28:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's exactly what that is.
28:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:12 Doug DeMuro? How cool.
28:13 Speaker 02 So cool.
28:14 Speaker 01 I, I agree. I agree with you. I just, as an enthusiast community, let's figure out something better to call it. Like, I don't, nobody wants to say, I mean, it's a lot to say. Stronger than 1980s and just bear it.
28:25 Speaker 02 Call it the hair of the 80s. They have had other.
28:28 Doug DeMuro? No, remember when, when you opened the door, a puddle lamp comes out. Do you remember what it says? It says G, stronger than time.
28:36 Speaker 02 It does say that, but I think there was a G-Wagon stronger than diamond edition.
28:43 Speaker 02 All right, give us our next news story. Give us our next news story.
28:46 Doug DeMuro? Oh, something.
28:47 Speaker 02 A Jeep Comanche.
28:48 Doug DeMuro? A Jeep Comanche.
28:50 Speaker 02 This is the Slate pickup that has been spied.
28:53 Doug DeMuro? Yikes.
28:54 Speaker 02 Here's what we know about Slate.
28:56 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
28:56 Speaker 02 It's a new car company.
28:57 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
28:58 Speaker 02 Named after a online magazine.
29:01 Doug DeMuro? And a rock.
29:02 Speaker 02 And a rock.
29:03 Doug DeMuro? But I agree.
29:03 Speaker 02 It is apparently funded heavily by Jeff Bezos and includes a lot of their top employees are people that came from Amazon. And they're gonna be revealing next week, ten, a pair according to Muse Reports, a electric, compact pickup truck that will cost less than $25,000. That is all we know. It is a new car company launching a small, compact, affordable pickup truck.
29:28 Speaker 02 We'll learn more next week.
29:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
29:30 Speaker 01 Can you get it on Amazon Prime that will show up the next day?
29:32 Doug DeMuro? It'll be interesting if they can actually pull off a like affordable, regular sized. This is hard to do. Everybody, everybody on the comments is always like, give me an affordable vehicle that's simple and basic. It's hard. There's a lot of regulations. That's not actually where most consumer taste really objectively is. But let's see. There's also not a lot of profit margin, honestly.
29:54 Speaker 02 No. I could imagine you going after fleets, especially with that and, and some other, maybe some consumers, but a lot of fleets. Isn't there another company that also has a small pickup truck that's in this place?
30:06 Doug DeMuro? There's all sorts of startups that have tried to claim they're gonna make like an affordable little pickup truck.
30:13 Speaker 02 Yep.
30:14 Doug DeMuro? And, and none of them have really ever come to market. What are the cheapest electric trucks that have come to market, right? Like Rivian, Tesla Cybertruck, Hummer EV.
30:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're all really expensive.
30:23 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's tough to do. It's really, really tough to do. But this one has Bezos behind it.
30:28 Speaker 02 It's got Bezos behind it.
30:30 Doug DeMuro? If you've been watching my videos for a long time, you'll remember I used to take my cars to CarMax to see what they'd offer me as a trade-in value. These videos were fun and popular as they would often give me a wildly inaccurate number for the cars. Submit your cool car to Cars and Bids in just a few minutes and you'll be connected with an auction manager from my team who will help your car go live on Cars and Bids, where you'll get way more money for your car than trading it into a big box dealer. Look at how much these cars sold for on Cars and Bids compared to their trade-in value. Here's a trade-in offer and this is the Cars and Bids result. Here's a trade-in value and the Cars and Bids result. And this was a trade-in value and this was the Cars and Bids result. Get started now and sell your car on carsandbids.com. All right, give us another story. There's another good one.
31:14 Speaker 01 It goes based along with Gayle King.
31:16 Doug DeMuro? Gayle King.
31:17 Speaker 01 Ah, ID Buzz.
31:18 Doug DeMuro? This is an ID Buzz.
31:20 Speaker 02 You can buy it from the factory two-tone.
31:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
31:23 Speaker 02 Like this one is, but early on in production, they had a lot of trouble doing this. Like for a bunch of production constraint reasons, they could only make single color ID buzzes. It has come out this week that those aren't really selling. Consumers want two-tone.
31:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
31:37 Speaker 02 Uh, so Volkswagen on those trucks was offering about a $3,000 wrap job, right? Where like they would get it wrapped for the customer. They, they have now this week said that they will split the cost of that with dealerships. So the dealerships can discount to $1,500 and Volkswagen will chip in $1,500.
31:54 Doug DeMuro? So VW is paying to wrap the ID buzz so it'll sell, which honestly is a pretty good idea. Cause I gotta be honest, I haven't seen, I haven't seen a full color one yet. The two-tone, I wouldn't even consider one that is a two-tone. It looks so cool.
32:07 Speaker 02 Also the, the same colors are boring. It's like gray and silver.
32:10 Doug DeMuro? I've seen maybe four ID buzzes, five on the road. They're all the two-tone. They all look absolutely wonderful.
32:16 Speaker 02 And every, all the other ones are way languishing on dealer lots.
32:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
32:19 Speaker 02 Till this. Now, of course it becomes a question like if you're gonna buy a used one, do you want the one that was wrapped 10 years ago? No, you probably want the one that was painted like that from the factory.
32:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. But there's a lot of cars that are wrapped now, like used, new. There's a lot of cars that people are wrapping a lot of, I mean, it's not uncommon anymore.
32:36 Speaker 02 Every single Cybertruck we see now is wrapped.
32:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. And a lot of Model Ys and Xs and all, and just in general.
32:43 Speaker 02 And just in general.
32:43 Doug DeMuro? It's like become pretty common.
32:45 Speaker 02 But to do it from the manufacturer is pretty cool. They're splitting the car. It, it just such like a, they need to sell these, the white, the black, the silver one. What are you doing?
32:55 Doug DeMuro? You have to.
32:55 Speaker 02 You pretend it's other one.
32:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. You have to assume that this is gonna be informative of future production. And that they probably either won't make any single color ID buzzes going forward, or they'll make a much, much smaller mix of them.
33:06 Speaker 02 Right. I, I, it does sound like that was their plan, but like for early, early ones, just for production constraint reasons, weren't this, but.
33:12 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna give you my ID buzz take.
33:14 Speaker 02 Please.
33:14 Doug DeMuro? I think this is the coolest car on sale and yet. I don't think it's gonna sell. It's a shame that I agree with that. I wish they had done the short wheelbase. I think it was a massive mistake not doing it. Yeah. Well, no, but it would have been able to discount the price. Yeah. And honestly, I, I think people would have bought it because I, I think they missed, misunderstood who was gonna be the buyer for this car. I think they thought it would be families looking for like an SUV or minivan alternative. And I think really it's like older empty nesters who want something cool and electric. This is the only cool electric car on sale. And so it's sort of the Rimac Navara, am I right?
33:48 Speaker 01 And the McMurtry.
33:49 Doug DeMuro? And the McMurtry, right. McMurtry, Rimac Navara, this.
33:52 Speaker 01 ID butts.
33:53 Doug DeMuro? And if they had done a shorty that cost 47, that would have been really appealing. Instead, there's a longy that costs 75. And probably more with tariffs. Yeah. Not in the US. It's much less appealing and I think that they messed it up. There's still time to get it right, folks. You can still do this. Uh, but I don't think it's gonna sell. I just love that it needs to be two tone.
34:13 Speaker 01 That's true. Cause I, I mean, we live in the land of new EVs. We see them all the time. And I just have not seen that much.
34:19 Doug DeMuro? I've seen a couple, but not that many. I've seen a few and I think they're really cool, but I do think if they had been 47 grand shorties, we'd be having a conversation about. Filippo might be thinking about picking up one used in three years. Truly no chance, but yeah.
34:30 Speaker 01 That would have to be here for it.
34:32 Doug DeMuro? Uh, but yeah, they have to be two tone. They have to be two tone to sell. Makes sense. It really does, but I've never seen somebody like be that, a company like Volkswagen be scrappy. This is what like a startup would do to pretend that they were never that color. No, I, I remember at Porsche, you, you, you trying to get cars over the line. You're trying to get cars over the line.
34:51 Speaker 01 No matter how legit you seem, you're just trying to get cars over the line.
34:55 Doug DeMuro? At the end of the day, I remember one time I drove by the Jaguar dealer in Newport Beach during the heart of Jaguars low period, which has been 2009 to about now.
35:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:04 Doug DeMuro? And, uh.
35:05 Speaker 01 We're still going down.
35:08 Doug DeMuro? And I drove by and, and they had brand new Jags out front with, um, writing, like neon writing on the windshield. And I'm like, what the hell? But at the end of the day, you're just trying to sell cars.
35:20 Doug DeMuro? Like no matter what you are, you're just trying to move units. We all. All right. Uh, is that, no, there's still one more news story. Mitsubishi, folks, I, this is the worst tariff news yet. Filippo, steel yourself because this is, this is, this is tough. All these brands are not sending cars to the US right now because of the tariffs. Yep. Mitsubishi is one of them. They've paused shipments. You will not be able to get a Mighty Max.
35:46 Speaker 01 Wow.
35:49 Doug DeMuro? That was a pickup from the
35:51 Speaker 02 The Outlander is a desirable.
35:53 Doug DeMuro? The Outlander.
35:54 Speaker 02 It actually should be a desirable.
35:55 Doug DeMuro? They sold 13 of these last year and damn it, they're only gonna sell nine of them this year.
36:02 Speaker 02 The actual sadness is that now that Audi has revealed the Audi A, the new A6, we won't get that either.
36:07 Doug DeMuro? We're not gonna get the A6?
36:08 Speaker 02 Well, no, not right now. They're not importing cars.
36:10 Doug DeMuro? They're not importing cars. And right now Mitsubishi has paused. Now, what do you think?
36:14 Speaker 02 They're clipped cross. What are we gonna do?
36:16 Doug DeMuro? This is their press photo in like the winter in Pittsburgh?
36:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:19 Speaker 02 That is where the car will end up.
36:21 Speaker 01 That's right. Outside, like, there's a strip mall in this community and this is, these are like the townhouses around it. That's exactly this.
36:27 Doug DeMuro? You know what the nice thing though about being Mitsubishi and taking press photos is, no one's gonna like spy photo you and sell it to the automaker, or to the magazine, you know what I mean? Like if Porsche did this, they'd be like spy photos and then they'd be on rentless tomorrow, right?
36:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:39 Doug DeMuro? But when it's Mitsubishi, you could just leave it there. You could go have lunch.
36:42 Speaker 01 There's some person's table.
36:43 Doug DeMuro? Some guy's table. People, people are upstairs. Nobody's like, some guy's got a crossover outside.
36:48 Speaker 01 I think they drove around till they found the most closed blinds they could to fuck around.
36:52 Doug DeMuro? And they needed three parking spots in a row so they could get a shot without any, anyway, Mitsubishi not gonna be shipping cars to US. You can't buy one of these right now, whatever it is.
37:02 Speaker 02 It's a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.
37:03 Doug DeMuro? I know what it is, but the only reason I know that is because I've been to Amsterdam and it's the most popular car in the world.
37:08 Speaker 02 They're everywhere in Europe. Yeah. True. For our audio listeners, this is parked in front of a set of townhouses, as Kevin said.
37:14 Speaker 01 We've described it aptly now. Do people get the picture?
37:16 Doug DeMuro? All right. Is that our last news story? My God, they just took it out the pot. But there were a lot of news stories. We gotta talk cars. I have two very important talk cars.
37:23 Speaker 02 Yes, please.
37:24 Doug DeMuro? Every Talk Cars segment today is about Lincoln.
37:27 Speaker 02 Oh my God, that's true.
37:28 Doug DeMuro? Today's Talk Cars is brought to you by Lincoln.
37:30 Speaker 02 No, only if they pay us.
37:32 Doug DeMuro? We make cars. So does Lincoln have a slogan? I haven't seen a Lincoln.
37:36 Speaker 02 They don't make any cars.
37:36 Doug DeMuro? Well, I haven't seen a Lincoln advertisement in years.
37:38 Speaker 02 Do they sell any cars?
37:39 Doug DeMuro? Uh, Lincoln. What was like an old Lincoln slogan?
37:43 Speaker 02 They sell SUVs, but do they have any cars?
37:45 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no, they don't, they don't have any of that. Vote, vote yourself a farm and horses. Wait a minute, that's Abe Lincoln, that's Abraham Lincoln.
37:52 Speaker 01 That's the president.
37:52 Doug DeMuro? Ah, I screwed this up. Anyway, this is, this is, this segment's brought to you by Lincoln, although some of these stories are negative. Uh, I want to start with the
38:00 Speaker 02 Only they know that when they saw it.
38:03 Doug DeMuro? I want to start, I want to start with the Navigator split tailgate. All right, I went to Lincoln Navigator press launch and I can't say anything because it's under embargo. I can't say a word about how it drove. Yeah, it's under embargo for a week.
38:16 Speaker 01 But the tailgate.
38:17 Doug DeMuro? I can't talk about the driving experience.
38:19 Speaker 02 Right, so you will not.
38:21 Doug DeMuro? Was it like, what, is it like you'd expect a big luxury SUV to be? I can't answer it.
38:27 Doug DeMuro? However, I can tell you, then this is out there already. The new Navigator has a split tailgate and they were showing me the new Navigator split tailgate. And the fellow who, who was responsible for the engineering of it, he said, "I actually used your videos praising the split tailgates of other cars to help sell this to management."
38:44 Speaker 02 And they didn't make you the first person to drive it outside of Lincoln employees?
38:47 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
38:47 Speaker 02 They should have, that's so rude of them.
38:48 Doug DeMuro? Little did they know, that's what I really liked the car.
38:50 Speaker 01 They just copied the homework, they didn't bother to give you the candy.
38:53 Doug DeMuro? This is a big deal. I have finally had influence in the, in the link, in the, in the car community.
39:00 Speaker 02 Finally.
39:01 Doug DeMuro? Now, I'm sure the fact that the Range Rover has a split tailgate also plays some role.
39:06 Speaker 02 Or the, or the X5, or any other X7.
39:08 Doug DeMuro? The X, no, all those other SUVs have abandoned it. The X5 got rid of it, the Land Cruiser got rid of it. The X5 doesn't still have a split tail. Maybe the new one does again, does it?
39:16 Speaker 02 Yes.
39:17 Doug DeMuro? Back in the day it did, but they got rid of it.
39:18 Speaker 01 It does.
39:19 Doug DeMuro? The point is, the point is,
39:23 Doug DeMuro? I helped influence, and so if you buy a Lincoln Navigator and, I'm not sure if you should or shouldn't, I can't talk about it yet. But if you buy a Lincoln Navigator and if you ever see me and you want me to sign your split, if you buy a Lincoln Navigator, if you buy a Lincoln Navigator and you're in the Southern California region, carry a Sharpie with you in case you see me.
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40:45 Speaker 02 What would you do if somebody asked you to? Where would you sign it?
40:50 Doug DeMuro? I would do it. You know, speaking of people signing cars, here's another Lincoln story. I had, um, I got on my Ford GT, the designer signed it, Camillo Pardo. And, uh, this happened because he was at Cars and Coffee and he had a Sharpie with him and he was signing everybody's cars, and he just went down the line and signed mine. I didn't, I didn't really ask him to, you know? He just did.
41:09 Speaker 01 So you just had the engine cover open?
41:11 Doug DeMuro? We, we all had our engine covers open. He was signing cars, he did it. Like, I never said, "Hey, will you sign it?" Now, at the time, I was like, "I'm an enthusiast or racist." Over time, I've come to decide I actually liked the signature on there, but...
41:22 Speaker 01 But that's, but just in case, just for Ford GT owners, make sure you close your engine cover, so just in case the designers walk around.
41:30 Doug DeMuro? Camillo Pardo is coming by.
41:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:32 Doug DeMuro? And he's got a Sharpie in his hand.
41:34 Speaker 01 He's signing. He's not asking.
41:36 Doug DeMuro? He signed a couple of Acuras that day.
41:38 Speaker 02 Will you commit right now to not carrying around a Sharpie and signing the rear tailgate of the navigator so you see parked?
41:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I'm not gonna do it unless I'm asked.
41:48 Speaker 02 Okay.
41:49 Doug DeMuro? Now, I might do some rental cars.
41:51 Doug DeMuro? You should do that. Uh, anyway, I can't talk about the driving experience, but it drives like a Okay, the next, the next thing I want to talk about, Kenan, go to the community tab. This is unbelievable. Go to the community tab and pull up the questions and the, no, this one. And, and, and scroll down a little bit. Oh my God. Can't comment. Okay, scroll down a little. Keep going, keep going, keep going. Look at this. Last week on the pod, we talked about how there should be a Lincoln version of the Bronco. In some, some, um, um, well, creative. Can I use AI?
42:30 Speaker 02 Use AI.
42:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, threw into AI.
42:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:33 Doug DeMuro? Hey, what would a Lincoln Bronco look like? And you know what? It looks pretty good. The front's a little weird.
42:39 Speaker 02 I've seen a lot of versions of this because a bunch of people have done this. Some look more Bronco-y. This one looks more QX80E.
42:45 Doug DeMuro? Do you admit now, because you guys were both skeptical last week, although I think I eventually got him to come around. Do you admit now that they should do this? The Lincoln G-Wagon? I think they need to execute it better than this. What do you mean better than this? How can you get better than this? It just looks wrong. What? Go to the other picture. Go to the other picture. It even has a split tailgate. It's like the Lincoln Navigator, which drives like a Well, are you going to claim that you, you informed the market so much that even AI knew to do this split tailgate thing because of you? Come on, this is cool.
43:18 Speaker 02 Yep.
43:18 Doug DeMuro? This is actually pretty. I thought this was cool when I was talking about it last week. Now I think it's even cooler. Maybe they should do this.
43:25 Speaker 02 This is not my favorite version because the headlights are two Toyota 200 series E.
43:29 Doug DeMuro? There was another version that someone else did that was silver. It wasn't in the, it wasn't, it was just in the regular community tab. Oh, okay.
43:36 Speaker 02 We, we have really kind of.
43:38 Doug DeMuro? Click on this car, Pody. Yeah. This car, okay. I don't know. It was somewhere. Somebody put, there, look at that. That looks. That. Tell me they shouldn't make that.
43:47 Speaker 02 No, they should.
43:48 Doug DeMuro? They should!
43:49 Speaker 01 That's not that bad.
43:50 Doug DeMuro? Right? Mercedes has the G-Wagon, Lincoln shows up with the Bronco, and someone on the YouTube comment said they should call it the Lincoln Monument.
43:56 Speaker 01 Oh, that's brilliant. Very funny and brilliant. They should... The one detail they're missing are the numbers, like to enter, so you can unlock the door.
44:05 Doug DeMuro? Although those are now, those are now blacked out in Fords unless you walk up and tap it and then they light up.
44:09 Speaker 01 They're all red.
44:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, they wouldn't see in the photo. I love it. You were right.
44:12 Speaker 01 This is great.
44:13 Speaker 02 Lincoln, please, I hope you recognize Doug for being correct.
44:15 Speaker 01 Call it the Lincoln.
44:16 Speaker 02 And then invite him to sign every single one. Invite him to the factory line and he can just sign that.
44:20 Doug DeMuro? I'll sign them all like Camilla. This is legit.
44:22 Speaker 02 Yep.
44:23 Doug DeMuro? This is absolutely legit. Much more legit than the Lincoln Navigator, which drives like a...
44:31 Doug DeMuro? You're wondering now how it drives, aren't you? Well, you'll find out next week.
44:34 Speaker 02 Only if you like and subscribe and click the bell to do something.
44:38 Doug DeMuro? Okay, the last story...
44:39 Speaker 01 Filippo Corporate Boogery.
44:41 Doug DeMuro? This, I can't believe this is all related to Lincoln.
44:42 Speaker 02 I know. How did this happen?
44:43 Doug DeMuro? We're never gonna talk about Lincoln again on this podcast, ever, because there's never...
44:46 Speaker 02 What about the Continental Coach Tour?
44:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we can talk about the Continental Coach Tour, but not for months, because we've used up our... They sponsored this segment.
44:55 Speaker 01 And Lincoln's gotten some time.
44:56 Doug DeMuro? And, and, and, and we're so thankful for their sponsorship that we're now going to reveal that...
45:02 Speaker 02 The Lincoln Nautilus, American SUV, is built in China.
45:07 Doug DeMuro? So I go to the Lincoln...
45:08 Speaker 02 Gasp!
45:09 Doug DeMuro? I go to the Lincoln thing, the Navigator launch, and I'm like, "Hey, really?" They're like, "Oh, you've probably seen the features in the Nautilus." And I was like, "I love the Nautilus!" And there was like a silence.
45:18 Speaker 02 And now I know why.
45:21 Speaker 02 The reason is a news story that they have, it's not actually a news story, we're talking about cars. The reason we're talking about this car is that they are still gonna import them despite the tariffs. Tells you a lot about how many Nautilus's they sell. Not a lie, they sell. But the reason it's actually interesting is that they also sell a lot in the Chinese market. And so for them, it remains, it makes sense to keep building it there because they sell most of them to the Chinese market.
45:47 Speaker 01 Interesting.
45:48 Doug DeMuro? You're kidding?
45:49 Speaker 02 Nope.
45:50 Doug DeMuro? So
45:50 Speaker 02 Real life fact.
45:51 Doug DeMuro? This is built in, by the way, I legitimately like the Lincoln Nautilus.
45:55 Speaker 01 It's a great car.
45:56 Speaker 02 It's a great car. I love it.
45:57 Speaker 01 Objectively.
45:57 Speaker 02 I think it looks good inside and out.
45:59 Doug DeMuro? Someone commented and said, "The Nautilus must be terrible. It's based on the Ford Edge." You're thinking of the original Nautilus, which wasn't great. The new Nautilus.
46:05 Speaker 02 What's a big?
46:05 Doug DeMuro? There's no more Ford Edge. The new Nautilus is an excellent SUV. Of course, now that I know that it's Chinese, I'm not so sure. No, I'm kidding. Um.
46:14 Speaker 02 The generally what they've said is that there'll be 125% tariff in the US. They, I'm sure will impact pricing in some way, but they've basically said they will keep importing it. But the brand is not too impacted because they sell most of them in China.
46:26 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that makes sense. Um, a little bit. It's surprising to me that they, oh, there is a new Ford Edge in China.
46:33 Speaker 02 Oh. Lincoln and honestly Cadillac at this point, but especially, sorry, Lincoln and Buick rather, fundamentally are American brands that are sold in China.
46:42 Doug DeMuro? Why doesn't Lincoln get bigger in the US? I've given him a roadmap.
46:48 Speaker 02 Give him a roadmap.
46:48 Doug DeMuro? Make the Bronco.
46:49 Speaker 02 Yep. The Lincoln, by the way, the Navigator, by the way, built in the US, I think. It's not built in China. That's all, that's all I know.
46:57 Doug DeMuro? They don't, they don't build the Lincoln Navigator in China?
46:59 Speaker 02 No.
47:00 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
47:00 Speaker 02 They, they, I do think they build the Lincoln, the other Lincoln models they sell in China, in China.
47:04 Doug DeMuro? What other great fast facts do you have for us, Filippo?
47:08 Speaker 02 Well, here's some driving impression of the Lincoln Navigator.
47:10 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. That was the Talk Car segment brought to you by Lincoln. The 32-valve Intec V8, one of the great powertrains of our time. That engine, that was the engine in the Navigator, the original Navigator. That engine, 5.4 liters, it made all of 163 horsepower and it got nine miles per gallon while doing it. It was both inefficient and had no power.
47:30 Speaker 02 And it didn't.
47:30 Doug DeMuro? Lincoln are sponsors.
47:33 Speaker 01 Man, we've done so much Lincoln talk. We're even designing their cars at this point. Like, it's pretty, pretty intense.
47:37 Doug DeMuro? Uh, Nautilus thing is interesting. Okay.
47:39 Speaker 01 Nautilus thing is interesting.
47:40 Doug DeMuro? Bring on the market report, Filippo. What do you have?
47:42 Speaker 02 All right, let's talk about another manufacturer that builds some cars in China, namely the S90, which is no longer being imported to the US.
47:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they don't sell that anymore. Do they sell it in China still?
47:49 Speaker 02 Yeah. Um, but, no, I wasn't actually going to talk about it. Although I'm surprised we didn't put in the subtitle, because this is a Chinese-built car. Um.
47:57 Speaker 01 Why would we put?
48:00 Speaker 02 All right, what I wanted to talk about was Volvo V6.
48:02 Doug DeMuro? By the way, you know, this is the second gen S90.
48:05 Speaker 02 Yes.
48:06 Doug DeMuro? Damn, you didn't know? Alright, the V6.
48:09 Speaker 02 Okay.
48:10 Doug DeMuro? The V60.
48:10 Speaker 02 First, I want to talk about the Rebel Blue one. We sold a Rebel Blue V60 T6 Polestar, which is the car you want.
48:18 Doug DeMuro? If you're a wagon enthusiast.
48:20 Speaker 02 It's also a 2015, but not 2015 and a half, which means that it has a turbocharged.
48:24 Doug DeMuro? It's a six-cylinder, yeah.
48:25 Speaker 02 This is what you want in life, period. We set a recent auction record of $51,000.
48:31 Doug DeMuro? Solid.
48:32 Speaker 02 Which is a lot of money for this car, but it's so worth it.
48:35 Doug DeMuro? How many miles on this?
48:36 Speaker 02 22.
48:36 Doug DeMuro? I mean, this is it.
48:37 Speaker 02 This is it. This is the nicest one. We featured it for a reason.
48:40 Doug DeMuro? If you're looking for the ultimate Volvo wagon.
48:42 Speaker 02 Is it?
48:43 Doug DeMuro? Rebel Blue.
48:43 Speaker 02 Yep.
48:44 Doug DeMuro? Polestar, six-cylinder. Although I think the four is also a great powertrain.
48:47 Speaker 02 It is, which came later.
48:49 Doug DeMuro? But the six-cylinder with low miles, with no mods.
48:51 Speaker 02 The one you want.
48:52 Doug DeMuro? There's, there may not be others.
48:54 Speaker 02 No, and this is the highest result.
48:55 Doug DeMuro? What was the sticker?
48:57 Speaker 02 I think I looked 50-something, 60-something.
49:00 Doug DeMuro? Do we have one? 10 years ago.
49:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, 10 years ago.
49:02 Doug DeMuro? That's, that's some good depreciation.
49:04 Speaker 01 61, 825.
49:05 Doug DeMuro? The car has 10 grand in depreciation in 10 years.
49:08 Speaker 02 But it's interesting. High-performance V60s in general have held their value really well. Not just this John, if you go back a page.
49:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
49:16 Speaker 02 Okay, we, we sold a 2003 V60 Recher for 62. Sticker, this one had some miles. And sticker was 70-ish.
49:24 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
49:26 Speaker 02 We also had a bunch of 71. I think they put something like 20,000 miles on it and sold it for 60-something.
49:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
49:33 Speaker 02 Like, all of the ones that we're selling, especially the Polestar engineered ones, have held their value so well. Because it's a plug-in hybrid wagon that has all-instamper for some reason.
49:43 Speaker 01 They love that.
49:44 Speaker 02 And I, first of all, I'm disappointed because I want to buy one cheaply and I will never be able to.
49:48 Doug DeMuro? No.
49:49 Speaker 01 But you can own it cheaply. It would cost you next to nothing to own. And you go and sell it.
49:55 Doug DeMuro? That's how Filippo operates.
49:56 Speaker 01 I know. He's not a cost of ownership guy.
49:58 Doug DeMuro? Filippo would rather buy something for 14 grand and lose the whole 14 grand than buy something for 50 and sell it for 50.
50:04 Speaker 02 He would literally rather lose the 14 grand than buy himself for the same one.
50:08 Doug DeMuro? Something nice. I like owning not-nice things.
50:12 Speaker 02 But these have held their values so well.
50:14 Doug DeMuro? I agree. Go back to the pages. There's other ones too. I'm always astonished by what these things go for.
50:18 Speaker 02 Forty-five grand for a 2020 where the sticker was fifty-something is incredible.
50:23 Doug DeMuro? This one's high at fifty-four.
50:25 Speaker 02 They've just, if you want to, like, these will just continue to hold their value as the V6, older V6.
50:30 Doug DeMuro? Which is interesting because Volvo wagons, as they get used in general, are not value holders. Like a V70, a fifteen-year-old V70 regular, that's not a car that's valuable. But the, but specific versions have retained very, very well. The cross countries are not retaining.
50:45 Speaker 02 No.
50:45 Doug DeMuro? Which is odd because, by the way, this, go back, this and this, black and blue, the cross country and the Polestar, same car fundamentally.
50:53 Speaker 02 Different engine.
50:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. There are differences, but you get behind the wheel, the interior.
50:57 Speaker 02 The E350 and the E63 AMG, same car.
51:01 Doug DeMuro? You think that's the difference here? I mean, this is not an E63 AMG at the end of the day. This doesn't have 500 horsepower. What does it have?
51:10 Speaker 02 Uh, like, three-something.
51:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:13 Speaker 02 Oh, I've flown past.
51:14 Doug DeMuro? Three forty-five.
51:15 Speaker 02 Compared to two fifty.
51:16 Doug DeMuro? The E350.
51:18 Speaker 02 Compared to two fifty, yeah.
51:19 Doug DeMuro? My E450 has more power than the T6 Polestar. My point is just like.
51:23 Speaker 02 E450 and that are worth about the same.
51:26 Doug DeMuro? Really? You think my car's still worth fifty-one?
51:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'll sell it to you today for forty-seven.
51:30 Doug DeMuro? No. Come on, come on, fresh paint. It's still solid.
51:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, fresh paint, that definitely adds value.
51:36 Doug DeMuro? It's new. The paint is new, Kenan.
51:39 Speaker 02 Yep, that's not a good thing.
51:40 Doug DeMuro? I agree with you. V60 market is pretty insane for the special ones. It is quite, quite, quite interesting.
51:45 Speaker 02 Very interesting.
51:45 Doug DeMuro? Um, speaking of things that are holding their value, here's an amazing one for you. Pull up the GSF. We sold the GSF yesterday. GSF, okay. Fifty-six grand. Click on it. This is a 16 with 20,000 miles, I think it had. Yeah, I'm sorry, 50,000 miles. 16 with 50,000 miles sold for 56. And it got me thinking.
52:03 Speaker 02 My god, an M5 from 2015 is worth twelve.
52:04 Doug DeMuro? What is an M5 worth? So I put it in. Take a look at, type in 2016 M5. Your mind's about to be blown.
52:13 Speaker 01 Yup.
52:14 Doug DeMuro? Dude, so these are, so keep in mind, the Lexus with 50,000 miles sold for 56, okay? The M5s are selling between 25 and 35. Click on that one. That one sold for 46, okay?
52:29 Speaker 01 This is a nice comp package.
52:32 Doug DeMuro? With 15,000 fewer miles and even then, it got $10,000 less. And you've got to assume the sticker was probably 20 grand higher on the BMW.
52:42 Speaker 02 Not more.
52:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, maybe 30 grand higher.
52:44 Speaker 02 Of course, it does have like an extra 100 something horsepower too.
52:46 Doug DeMuro? Think about that. It is ama- I know the market values reliability more, but damn, this is stark.
52:51 Speaker 01 They really value reliability.
52:54 Doug DeMuro? The M5 is the better car, but like, when you have to start paying for stuff yourself? The Lexus is the better car.
53:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, that is really interesting.
53:02 Speaker 02 And they're all automatic. I mean, no, but there, there wasn't a, an extended stick.
53:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, but this is DCT versus I'm guessing.
53:07 Doug DeMuro? I'm sure if a stick came up, yeah, these are torque converter autos. This whole car also has only 467 horsepower. What is the M5?
53:13 Speaker 02 575.
53:14 Doug DeMuro? Is it 575?
53:15 Speaker 01 Because of the competition.
53:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. So another 100 horsepower. And the market is like, nah, we're good actually. We'd much rather pay up for less power, a slower shifting car.
53:24 Speaker 02 Yup.
53:25 Doug DeMuro? Slower handling and steering.
53:26 Speaker 01 It's, it's slow, but it's not at the shop.
53:28 Doug DeMuro? It's not at the shop.
53:29 Speaker 02 There is also a like quantity difference. There's not that many GSFs out there.
53:32 Doug DeMuro? That's true. It's rarer.
53:33 Speaker 01 True.
53:34 Speaker 02 Cause nobody was willing to pay it new when you could buy it.
53:36 Doug DeMuro? It was too expensive new. The sticker on this was deep into the 80s and.
53:40 Speaker 01 It's hard to.
53:41 Doug DeMuro? I reviewed the GSF pretty negatively and got a lot of hate about that when I, when, when I reviewed it. I still maintain it was not a particularly desirable car at an $85,000 valuation. Where the GSF and the ISF and the RCF become really desirable is on the used market.
53:55 Speaker 02 Yup.
53:56 Doug DeMuro? And that's proven by the fact that people pay up for used cars.
54:01 Speaker 02 Is the GSF, has the GSF become desirable?
54:04 Doug DeMuro? Well, it
54:05 Speaker 02 Oh, sorry, the RCF, rather, has that become desirable?
54:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, of course. VA, what do you mean? VA, it's desirable for the same reason. You can have an, you can have, you can have an F80 M4, except you don't have to break down.
54:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, and F80 M4, that's 2017, F82, is $24,000. So yeah, that's a big price difference.
54:24 Doug DeMuro? All these cars.
54:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
54:26 Doug DeMuro? The market loves reliability. And speaking of that, pull up the DB9.
54:30 Speaker 01 Yes, so, yeah. This result, now Aston Martin DB9s are not particularly expensive cars to buy into, but as you, everybody's very afraid of the maintenance, and so they depreciated. I did not realize quite how far they've recently depreciated. We sold this one with 38,400 miles, no accidents on the car.
54:48 Doug DeMuro? Nicely presented, looks good.
54:49 Speaker 01 Nice color specification, automatic admittedly, and an early one. But it sold for $26,000.
54:53 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
54:54 Speaker 01 $26,000, and you have a V12 and a
54:57 Doug DeMuro? Gorgeous car.
54:58 Speaker 01 In-count design Aston Martin. Like, that is astonishing to me. I get why, but it is astonishing nonetheless.
55:05 Speaker 02 Do you think the Ford Fusion impacted Aston Martin?
55:08 Speaker 01 No. No. That is something you would say, but no, it didn't.
55:11 Doug DeMuro? Dude, I am astonished, 26 is a, is a pretty incredible deal. This is a V12 car. You know, the Vantages don't go for 26, so the DB9s are cheaper than the Vantages?
55:20 Speaker 01 I think it's so many Vantages are manuals.
55:23 Speaker 02 Vantages do go for 20.
55:24 Speaker 01 And also, the
55:25 Doug DeMuro? Tip ones do?
55:26 Speaker 01 The Vantage is known for being, has a, is known for being reliable. The cat's out of the bag that it is a pretty reliable car.
55:32 Doug DeMuro? This is too.
55:33 Speaker 01 But thi- this has some stuff, and it is hard to service. Like, if you have to do, like, spark plugs and clothes, it's a real pain in the ass.
55:41 Doug DeMuro? We get them submitted with miles. This car doesn't have that many miles.
55:43 Speaker 01 They come in with miles, and it's, the transmission is not, it's a automatic. It's a ZF automatic, it's not the single plate clutch that's in
55:49 Doug DeMuro? Is it not?
55:50 Speaker 01 The Vanquish.
55:50 Doug DeMuro? It's got a torque converter?
55:51 Speaker 01 Yes, that was one of the big changes. I know I'm correct about this, you can furl your brow all you want, but I'm right. It has a torque converter automatic. You can get either torque converter automatic or 6P manual transmission in this. But the vanquish before it had the clunky single plate clutch. And I think, like you, a lot of people are confused about that, not realizing it.
56:08 Doug DeMuro? I think you're probably right.
56:09 Speaker 01 And the fact of the matter, it's a ZF.
56:11 Doug DeMuro? Torque converter automatic?
56:12 Speaker 01 It's reliable.
56:13 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, you should have bought his car.
56:14 Speaker 01 Ken, why don't you own it right now? I, when I saw this, I was like, damn.
56:18 Doug DeMuro? It's also beautiful.
56:19 Speaker 01 It's a gorgeous car.
56:19 Doug DeMuro? It's absolutely beautiful.
56:21 Speaker 01 Back of your hand pretty.
56:21 Doug DeMuro? And it's a V12.
56:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is.
56:23 Doug DeMuro? You're not driving this?
56:24 Speaker 01 I know. I, I should be.
56:26 Doug DeMuro? Nick had to spend 200 for a V12. Look at you. You could be driving around 26 grand.
56:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, it could be, and around.
56:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you pull that fuse, you put some straight pipes on this, you Montana it, boom.
56:35 Speaker 01 I think it does, I know what you're talking about. I think it does have the same fuse thing.
56:39 Doug DeMuro? That's impressive. Plus, look at that wood.
56:41 Speaker 01 I mean, look at, look at that wheel leather.
56:42 Doug DeMuro? No, look at, look at this wood. That's got higher quality wood than anything Filippo has ever or will ever.
56:49 Speaker 01 Of course, I'm sure the screen doesn't pop up.
56:50 Doug DeMuro? No, but that's kind of a benefit now. I'd rather it not. I don't need to look at a Garmin 2003.
56:56 Speaker 01 I never liked this one. This looks like it's previously been on fire or washed with acid.
57:00 Doug DeMuro? I like it. No, it looks good. It looks good.
57:02 Speaker 01 But I mean, look, this is a nice, it's like this interior's not in bad condition. I just don't understand what the hell happened here that it like, because again, clean car.
57:11 Doug DeMuro? Well, it's not just this car.
57:12 Speaker 01 Not modified?
57:12 Doug DeMuro? Type in DB9.
57:13 Speaker 01 It isn't just this car. That's true. Like there, I mean, this one.
57:16 Doug DeMuro? Here's a, here's an 05 with only 9,000 miles and only sold for 36.
57:20 Speaker 01 That just, which is incredible.
57:21 Speaker 02 You're right. Vantages are more valuable. A 9,000 mile or even a 36,000 mile Vantage would be more valuable.
57:26 Speaker 01 But this is where it has more value. Like it gives you more value.
57:30 Speaker 02 Here's another one. 30 grand. I mean, that's what they go for.
57:32 Speaker 01 DB, I always thought DB7s were in this price range, which turns out that DB9s.
57:36 Doug DeMuro? It's crazy that DB9s are considering that Aston Martin is still largely using this design language and that it's a V12 and that it's a fairly modern car and that you can flex like crazy. DB7 you can't flex.
57:44 Speaker 01 Crazy. Maybe I should just get one. How are they dynamically?
57:48 Doug DeMuro? Great.
57:48 Speaker 01 It actually drives way lighter than you're expecting. I was stunned at that. When was the last time you drove?
57:52 Doug DeMuro? I drove a Verage like a year ago and it was great.
57:55 Speaker 01 But the first gen DB9, I drove one that was sold on the site and I was, I was stunned at how stiff the chassis itself is. The suspension's not super stiff, but the chassis is like. You could tell they were going to the DBS. Like, you could tell that was the direction. And they ended up using it for racing, of course, with the DBAR. No, that's not right. What was it? DB12 something. There's a race car they made with it, which sounds epic.
58:16 Doug DeMuro? Do you know what else you could do?
58:17 Speaker 01 It's a lovely car.
58:18 Doug DeMuro? You could badge it Virage, and you could flex on most people. And you could badge it DBS and flex on him. You could tell him you bought a DBS, he wouldn't know. Don't you agree?
58:25 Speaker 01 He wouldn't know.
58:26 Doug DeMuro? He wouldn't.
58:26 Speaker 02 I would so not know that it wouldn't be a flex.
58:28 Doug DeMuro? Right, it wouldn't be a flex. Be like, okay, he's got a DB something.
58:31 Speaker 01 But I think that is truly one of the great bargains. That is one of the most... This one sold a long time ago, but these pictures stand out. I live in my brain rent-free.
58:38 Speaker 02 Is that dark red or black?
58:39 Speaker 01 Uh, it's not red. It's, uh, I think it's dark blue. Or it's black.
58:43 Doug DeMuro? Black. Nice-looking car. A jersey.
58:45 Speaker 01 Such a...
58:45 Speaker 02 If you bought that car, email us, because Ken will buy it for you.
58:48 Doug DeMuro? The 26 one in New Hampshire?
58:50 Speaker 02 Nah.
58:50 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we gotta move on to questions. Questions, questions, questions. Questions are sponsored, uh, by the Cadillac. Well, here's what happened. Lincoln called, they said, hey, we want to sponsor a segment. I said, we'll give you talk cars. Cadillac, I said, they called, I said, hey, guess what? You can sponsor Questions.
59:06 Speaker 01 And they went...
59:07 Doug DeMuro? It's even more valuable.
59:08 Speaker 01 They went, who is this?
59:10 Speaker 02 How'd you get this number?
59:13 Doug DeMuro? That's exactly what happened, actually. Uh, Cadillac ignores my emails. Uh, the other brands don't. Okay.
59:19 Speaker 02 They won't give you an optic?
59:20 Doug DeMuro? They won't give me an escalated IQ, and I'm just gonna have to go to a... borrow one from a dealer, which I don't want to do.
59:24 Speaker 02 They're around.
59:25 Doug DeMuro? They're around.
59:26 Speaker 02 What about the optic?
59:27 Doug DeMuro? I don't know what that is. And honestly, I bet they don't either. Okay. The real car they sell. Uh, I don't know about that. Uh, I'll fact-check that later. Okay, first question, first question, first question. From It's A Me Calvo.
59:41 Speaker 02 Nice.
59:42 Doug DeMuro? Okay. He says, hi Doug, I would like to know where the Lamborghini PC sim racing seat that Linus Tech Tips made for you is. Has it arrived? Did you try it out? How has it been? First off, it was tariffed. I mean, it's coming from Canada. Linus built it. He's Canadian, to my knowledge. He's looked Canadian. And...
1:00:02 Doug DeMuro? And, and so, um, it was tariffed.
1:00:06 Speaker 02 At the normal 3% duty that everything.
1:00:08 Doug DeMuro? No, we get, we, didn't we sneak it in during one of those windows where?
1:00:11 Speaker 02 No, it arrived to you a month before the tariffs were announced.
1:00:14 Doug DeMuro? No, that's not true.
1:00:15 Speaker 01 No, it arrived here like a couple of days.
1:00:17 Doug DeMuro? They had been announced and then we got it in and then they went into effect and then they went on into effect.
1:00:21 Speaker 01 It was through the port long before that happened.
1:00:23 Doug DeMuro? The point is, it's here and we built it. However, there have been a couple of problems. I was there when Linus put it together and he is incredibly skilled at tech things and, and tech tips.
1:00:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. And you are, how do I put this?
1:00:34 Doug DeMuro? Don't look at me. This thing arrives, this thing arrives and our producer Sean, who's obsessed with this sort of thing. He goes at the box, it was in a crate. He goes at it with a drill, puts the thing together.
1:00:45 Speaker 01 He went at it. All right.
1:00:46 Doug DeMuro? Puts the thing together in five minutes and breaks half of it. Okay. Half of it is broken. He broke the shifter. He broke, the butt kickers don't work anymore.
1:00:55 Speaker 01 Well, that's Sean. They're not, they're not assembled, not put together.
1:00:59 Doug DeMuro? Kevin and I have not touched it yet.
1:01:00 Speaker 01 He did break the shifter. That part's true, but Philippe and I were there.
1:01:02 Speaker 02 We'll fix it.
1:01:02 Doug DeMuro? At one point, yesterday we came in and he said the brake pedal doesn't work. It's operating like an on off switch. It will either go on or off. There's no like force to it.
1:01:09 Speaker 01 He had the calibration set wrong. He had it set where full, fully like, like fully pushed in was like just registering. He didn't like move the slider.
1:01:17 Doug DeMuro? The point is, the point is, it's here, but it's, it's been put together by a gorilla. It's as if, it's as if you had, if you called an orangutan and you said to him, hey, will you put this together? And he was like, oh, and then he just kind of put, that's what happened.
1:01:31 Speaker 02 That sounds right.
1:01:32 Speaker 01 No, no, it was put together while some substance, it's like some whiskey was consumed to be able to help you put it together. And then.
1:01:38 Doug DeMuro? Oh God.
1:01:39 Speaker 01 We have to, we had.
1:01:40 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, the point is, all drives are automatics, but I will tell you this. It's here and from now on, anyone who visits our office will be setting a lap time.
1:01:49 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:01:50 Doug DeMuro? In the Lamborghini Countach at Laguna Seca.
1:01:52 Speaker 02 Which somebody has already done.
1:01:53 Doug DeMuro? We've got our first one and we're going to have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.
1:01:57 Speaker 01 We're going to have, I will have to do it like the Top Gear metal thing where you put like the thing on there. It's like, where do you think you've come?
1:02:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:02:02 Speaker 01 We'll have to do that.
1:02:03 Doug DeMuro? So, yeah, it is here. I only mentioned that question as first and foremost, because we've gotten it quite a few times. Okay. Next question, and this is a good one. Don't look. Don't steal the questions in your mind.
1:02:15 Speaker 01 Don't listen to me read. I'm going to close my computer.
1:02:19 Doug DeMuro? Next question from BMW E82 LCI.
1:02:21 Speaker 01 Ah.
1:02:22 Doug DeMuro? Could you rate every BMW one series generation?
1:02:27 Speaker 01 Yup.
1:02:27 Doug DeMuro? E82.
1:02:30 Speaker 01 Everything else.
1:02:32 Doug DeMuro? That's all.
1:02:33 Speaker 01 That's all.
1:02:33 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay.
1:02:35 Speaker 02 That was the only one.
1:02:37 Doug DeMuro? It is, I think, yeah. I don't even think in Europe, there was another one. I think that was the only.
1:02:41 Speaker 02 That was the first one. It took a while for it to come to the US. It was the relief, like, there was a pre-LCI.
1:02:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, there was.
1:02:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's it.
1:02:48 Doug DeMuro? But don't you agree there was no other?
1:02:49 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:02:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:49 Speaker 02 It was two series.
1:02:50 Speaker 01 It went swiftly to the two series and that was the end of that. And we've had two of those now.
1:02:53 Doug DeMuro? Okay. This is the next question.
1:02:55 Speaker 01 Lovely question.
1:02:55 Doug DeMuro? The next question's a good question. Uh, and it comes to us from Vdand Sir.
1:03:00 Speaker 01 Oh, jeez.
1:03:03 Doug DeMuro? And the question is, why doesn't Suzuki sell the Jimny in the US? On paper, it has everything that's all the rage right now. It's off-road capable, four-wheel drive, boxy shape. He hates boxy.
1:03:14 Speaker 02 I love boxy.
1:03:14 Doug DeMuro? He hates the outback.
1:03:15 Speaker 02 Also, my, my wife would insist that we buy a Jimny tomorrow if one came to the US.
1:03:19 Doug DeMuro? Of course, due to tariff, yeah, she haven't driven one?
1:03:21 Speaker 02 No.
1:03:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Wouldn't last long.
1:03:24 Speaker 02 Her dream car was a RAV4.
1:03:25 Doug DeMuro? Of course, due to tariffs, this isn't practical anymore, but in, anymore. But in theory, shouldn't this car be a, a sales hit? Uh, here's what I think. I have a, I have a, I have a theory.
1:03:33 Speaker 02 Can I give my theory afterwards?
1:03:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Here's my theory, okay? They tried to sell cars in the US, Suzuki did, from, God, I don't remember. At least the mid 90s, late 80s, mid 90s, the Sidekick and the Esteem and the Swift. Until 2017, when the Kizashi went away, okay? They tried and we didn't want any of their stuff.
1:03:56 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:03:57 Doug DeMuro? And I think they were so up XL7, Grand Vitar. Grand Vitar did okay, but they, we didn't want any of their cars, right? And I think they were so upset that they made the Jimny good as a spite car.
1:04:08 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:04:08 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:04:09 Doug DeMuro? They said to the US, so he's asking, why don't they sell it here? I don't think they want to sell it here. I think they want Americans to realize that we messed up and that we did this to ourselves.
1:04:19 Speaker 01 Especially us in San Diego, where we see them with some frequency.
1:04:22 Doug DeMuro? We see them all the time.
1:04:23 Speaker 01 And they just tease us as like, they just look at us and go, not for you.
1:04:27 Doug DeMuro? You did this.
1:04:28 Speaker 01 Can't have it.
1:04:28 Doug DeMuro? You screwed up. The new Swift is a pretty cool car, too. And they look at us and they say, you messed up, you did this. And so my answer to your question, Vdancer, is because we didn't want them and now they don't want us.
1:04:40 Speaker 01 But our money is not good there.
1:04:42 Speaker 02 You know, I, Toyota, I, can I give, I'll give the real answer after the answer?
1:04:46 Doug DeMuro? Uh huh.
1:04:46 Speaker 02 Uh, Toyota owns a part of Suzuki, which you may or may not know.
1:04:49 Doug DeMuro? Oh, and you're afraid that it's going to steal sales?
1:04:51 Speaker 02 I think Toyota said no, because the RAV4 sales would go down. RAV4 looks truck-like. And the RAV4 sales would go down if you sold it.
1:04:59 Speaker 01 Of course, the chimney is the size of this glass.
1:05:03 Doug DeMuro? That, that theory is actually dumber than my theory.
1:05:06 Speaker 02 I tried.
1:05:07 Doug DeMuro? My theory is that they came out with a spike car.
1:05:09 Speaker 02 I tried.
1:05:10 Doug DeMuro? And he came up with a worse theory than the spike car theory.
1:05:12 Speaker 02 They didn't want their urban cruiser market to go away.
1:05:15 Doug DeMuro? The actual answer to this, look, the actual answer to this is the, is the following. The United States market is incredibly difficult to sell cars in, particularly gas-powered cars. There's an enormous amount of regulations. That's hard. The US market has an enormous amount of regulations that a lot of other markets don't have.
1:05:30 Speaker 02 Or where the other markets are consistent across.
1:05:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's right. There's a lot of inconsistent regulations that only apply to the US market. In addition, the physical size of the United States makes it difficult to sell cars here. Because you can't just like, start selling cars in North Carolina. You gotta show up with a dealer network that crosses the entire country and that is very hard to establish. Okay? And Suzuki just realized they're not making enough money to justify this ridiculous investment that the United States market is. Now, if you can crack the US market and get the dealer network and build out the cars and make the regs, you can have huge success because there's a lot of Americans and they have a lot of money relative to other places. But Suzuki just decided it ain't worth it for them and there are other markets that are worth doing more. The chimney would be very difficult to get to pass the United States regulations.
1:06:16 Doug DeMuro? I drove one. It started life and still exists in some forms as a K car in Japan. It is tremendously tiny. That's right.
1:06:24 Speaker 02 It's not tall enough.
1:06:25 Doug DeMuro? The not pull-up the K car chimney.
1:06:27 Speaker 02 Pull up the K car chimney.
1:06:29 Doug DeMuro? Pull it up.
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1:07:33 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow. He typed K car.
1:07:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, he'd think of the Chryslers.
1:07:39 Doug DeMuro? There's a K car Jimny. There's a K car.
1:07:42 Speaker 02 The current one isn't.
1:07:43 Doug DeMuro? I think the current one is. Go back up. Go back up to the top.
1:07:47 Doug DeMuro? That is the K car one. Right there. There. So today I learned Suzuki built a K class Jimny without flares.
1:07:54 Speaker 02 That car is. They just made a little narrower. Okay.
1:07:57 Doug DeMuro? It's a K car.
1:07:58 Speaker 02 And smaller.
1:07:58 Doug DeMuro? It's really small. Getting this to pass US regs would be very, very.
1:08:01 Speaker 02 It'd be hard to get it to pass all the safety.
1:08:02 Doug DeMuro? And also, all the stuff that everybody loves about this car. It's so cheap that why don't they bring it to the States? It's so affordable. Once you add in the regulations, the imports, the dealers, all that stuff. It wouldn't be cheap anymore. And I've driven it and it ain't worth it.
1:08:13 Speaker 02 I will say, they also have a ton of demand. I think they've realized that they can do well enough with it without the US market. They just like six months ago came out with a four door version of it. Five door, if you're in Europe. Five door, four, five door version of it. It was in Mexico City a couple of weeks ago. They were everywhere already and they had just come out.
1:08:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:08:29 Speaker 02 There is strong demand elsewhere and they decided it wasn't worth it.
1:08:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:08:32 Speaker 02 If it could pass at all.
1:08:33 Doug DeMuro? That's a good point.
1:08:34 Speaker 02 I'm not sure it could pass. And you need the architecture of a car from the beginning and a platform from the beginning to meet US regulations in most cases.
1:08:41 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:08:41 Speaker 02 And that would have been hard to do.
1:08:43 Doug DeMuro? Plus, if you wanted to sell in Canada, it would have to have daytime running lights. And God knows they're not going to do that. Okay, I got two more questions and they're good. Okay, hit us.
1:08:52 Speaker 02 Can we get to the press car color?
1:08:53 Doug DeMuro? You want that one? Okay, I'll do that one. I'll do that. No, no, no, no, I'll do that. I don't look at the questions. You probably.
1:08:57 Speaker 02 I know, he cheats.
1:08:58 Doug DeMuro? He cheats. He just cheats like nobody else. I look at the question, but I forget them all. And then I learn about them again all the time. Well, somebody has to look at them to put them in. But I want to be surprised. From Colin Dowd. This is a question that is very important to me to answer. From Colin Dowd. Okay. He asks, Doug, do you ever feel like you have to be overly positive when reviewing a car that is live on Cars and Bids for sale? There's a second part to this question, I'm gonna answer the first part first. No, and I'll tell you, if you look at my reviews, I get this question sometimes, people are like, are you more positive because of the site? The last car we did that was on the site, the title is, the Oldsmobile Bravada was America's luxury SUV failure, okay? The Cadillac Catterer video, do you remember that? That was a couple of weeks ago. The Cadillac Catterer was a failed attempt to resurrect Cadillac.
1:09:42 Doug DeMuro? I actually have found that I am more negative now than I used to be before about a lot of the cars. Whether or not that's the right strategy, I don't know, but it's important to keep in mind. People are like, oh, he's shilling for Cars and Bids, so he's more positive. This is one car that's selling this week. In a traditional week on Cars and Bids, we can sell up to 200 or 250 cars. One car that sells or doesn't sell, I don't really care, to be perfectly honest. It doesn't really matter to me. I also cherry pick cars that I think are specifically interesting, right?
1:10:14 Speaker 02 Interesting, not good.
1:10:15 Doug DeMuro? Not necessarily good. Not necessarily good. Like, the Bravada's interesting, but it was a massive failure. Now, the second part to this question is, for example, the Juke Nismo RS is a terrible car and heinous, but your review didn't paint that picture. Colin Dowd, bite your tongue! The Juke Nismo RS is a brilliant automobile.
1:10:36 Speaker 01 That's heinous. It's awful.
1:10:38 Speaker 02 It's an automobile, for sure.
1:10:39 Speaker 01 Actually, I drove around, I recently sold one to its new owner, and I had to bring it up for the shipper and stuff. Kinda liked it. It's fun to drive.
1:10:48 Doug DeMuro? See, Colin is commenting, he's never driven one, he's commenting because he thinks it's ugly. Which gets us back to a conversation we had a couple of weeks ago, wherein you guys all criticized that car for being ugly, and now you have only yourselves to blame for the fact that the Nissan Rogue Sport looks like it does. Every time you see a boring car on the road, remember that it's because you said the Juke was ugly. Every time an automaker-
1:11:08 Speaker 01 I praise beautiful cars.
1:11:09 Doug DeMuro? Every time an automaker tries something interesting, and then gets beaten down by you guys.
1:11:13 Speaker 01 You are talking to someone who likes the way the G8 M3 looks, and has since it came out.
1:11:17 Doug DeMuro? And the Juke?
1:11:18 Speaker 01 And I hate the Juke.
1:11:19 Doug DeMuro? That's the point I'm making.
1:11:20 Speaker 01 But I don't like Nissan.
1:11:21 Doug DeMuro? It's interesting. They went interesting and you said, we don't want interesting, we want boring.
1:11:26 Speaker 01 There's a difference between beautiful.
1:11:28 Doug DeMuro? They took a risk.
1:11:29 Speaker 01 They went ugly. Yeah, they took a risk. It was terrible. And you know, sometimes you lose.
1:11:33 Doug DeMuro? Fine. They took a risk. You hated it. So they said, fine, we're just gonna do boring. So every time you see a boring car on the street from now on, blame yourself.
1:11:40 Speaker 01 No.
1:11:40 Doug DeMuro? If I lived in the world of cars.
1:11:42 Speaker 01 You still accept.
1:11:43 Doug DeMuro? Every car would be cool looking.
1:11:44 Speaker 01 Every car would be a really ugly car.
1:11:47 Doug DeMuro? They'd all be interesting. The Fiat Multipla, they went and did something. Beautiful car, okay? They tried something.
1:11:52 Speaker 01 But we love it as a, it's a platypus. You can't hate a platypus.
1:11:56 Doug DeMuro? So anyway, that's the answer to your question. The Juke Nismo RS is exactly as I described it. That car selling on the site, which probably sold for like 11 grand, made us like $400. It has zero bearing on my review. I don't even think about it. I don't care. It doesn't matter at all to me. The Juke R is different.
1:12:11 Speaker 01 The Juke will bring it up there.
1:12:12 Doug DeMuro? 14.5. That made us $500. I don't care. It's not even on my thought when I review the car, but this isn't as bad as people think. Look at those Recaros, dude. Where are Recaros?
1:12:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, we can agree the seats are nice.
1:12:24 Doug DeMuro? Look at those. 360 camera. You're telling me it's a bad car?
1:12:27 Speaker 01 The seats are nice, but god.
1:12:29 Doug DeMuro? It says Recaros at every bit of 146 horsepower.
1:12:33 Speaker 01 It is a shame.
1:12:34 Doug DeMuro? I thought the RS looked kinda cool.
1:12:35 Speaker 01 Has anyone, someone must have put an R35 GT-R engine.
1:12:38 Doug DeMuro? They did. Nissan did 10 of them.
1:12:40 Speaker 01 Oh, that's right. They did.
1:12:41 Doug DeMuro? The Juke R, but apparently one was severely destroyed. Aw.
1:12:44 Speaker 01 Right. And aren't they like $250,000?
1:12:46 Doug DeMuro? They were like a million now, but one came up used and they were asking like 250. Yeah. So that's some strong depreciation.
1:12:51 Speaker 01 It's tough. Even that car wasn't spared.
1:12:54 Doug DeMuro? It ain't the V8 signal. Let's put it that way.
1:12:56 Speaker 01 No, it's not.
1:12:57 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. Final question that Filippo wants us, uh, from Alec Metz 2011. Doug, you've always said you try to buy your car, your, your car, uh, in the press color. Not try, just do. There's no exceptions. Which car has the best press photo color ever? Nissan Murano first gen. Oh. Thought about this for the last 30 seconds. That's what you're gonna do? Pull it up. Pull up the 05.
1:13:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's the orange.
1:13:19 Doug DeMuro? Honestly, that is what I'm gonna do. That came out in 03. Yeah, yeah, but the press photo is gonna be the same. They didn't have it in. 2003. 2003.
1:13:29 Doug DeMuro? You like that now. Yeah, yeah. Go to that copper one. Yeah, the copper. That is the press photo for that year. Yeah, never see that. Look at that color. Okay. That is true. What about the FX? Oh, three Infiniti FX forty five interior. Type in interior. You know what I'm? No. You don't know about this? No. It matched. You don't know about this? You said oh, five? Oh, three. Or oh, four, I think. FX forty five is what I said. The orange exterior, they did. They did an orange interior. Wow, it is orange. Including carpets. Lovely. But go back to the exterior. Can we get a, can you do a review of an FX forty five? I just want to see. I'm looking, I'm waiting for an orange one. I'm straight up waiting for an orange one. I'd love that car. Yeah.
1:14:11 Doug DeMuro? But that, my head went to the like early two thousands copper. Um. That's a good color. There were a lot of cars and it wasn't just Nissan Infiniti. Two thousand three Cadillac CTS. Yep, there were a lot of cars this color. Yeah, the C six, remember? Yeah. But that's, those are. That was their color. That was the color. The C six is a round in that color. None of the other car. No, they, no, they never sold any of these cars in this color. Hey, wait, how about the ninety six A four? Type in nineteen ninety six Audi A four. Was it blue? Do you remember what they did? No, you were, you're, you're too young. I'll never forget it. Just type it. Go to, go to exterior or scroll down. I don't know what, what's going on here. But they were not, launched this car and all the press colors were like Skittles colors. There was like greens and blues and teals like that. Oh, yeah.
1:14:54 Doug DeMuro? This. And then people didn't want that. So like only the ninety sixes and ninety sevens are in weird colors and then the rest are all kind of silver. Twingo. Oh, like the bluish purple? There were a lot of press colors that were also Skittlesy. Look, I love every press color that's ever existed. Ninety six, I don't know. I have specifically bought cars, yeah, like that, like that. That's what I think of when I think of the twingo. There was that famous ad where there were a bunch of them in different colors. I have specifically bought cars in colors I liked less just because in my mind's eye, the correct color was the press color. The, yeah, there it is. The Defender, the new Defender that I bought in green, I didn't want green. Blue, Panjica green was a good color. Blue was the best color. Panjica. Undoubtedly, blue is the best color, but. I'm not gonna not get the, it's just mentally that it just is green. Like, that's what it is.
1:15:39 Doug DeMuro? Was white the Sequoia press color? Uh, they didn't advertise the Sequoia for obvious reasons. It was ugly. And overpriced, and they didn't want everybody to see it. That it also didn't need to advertise. You know, if you look at the Sequoia press photos from that year, they only, there were only three colors. And they were all, they used all three of them in the end. Net Car Show, what a site. Oh, damn.
1:15:58 Speaker 01 You know of this site?
1:15:58 Doug DeMuro? Of course. Net Car Show's already got the K4 hatchback. Yep. Which was just revealed today at NAISS, or whatever the correct, NY, you know? The thing is, most of the press photos of the Sequoia weren't the Pro. And so it's kinda hard to know. Cause most of the, like, a lot of them were silver, but that was, color wasn't even offered on the Pro.
1:16:14 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, T D Pro.
1:16:16 Doug DeMuro? Oh, there it is. Oh, that's a 24. That's not, yeah, that's a 24. I don't even have the ability to have Tara. Although, no, I have a 24. But that's Tara? Yeah, remember that? Oh, we could've tried. The options were the bright orange and then Tara. And I thought they both looked terrible, although I saw Tara one the other day, and I actually was like, you know? Yeah, you refused, but you were wrong.
1:16:32 Speaker 01 These press photos.
1:16:33 Doug DeMuro? That's not a, that's not a Pro. Yeah, that's.
1:16:35 Speaker 01 Taken in Florida.
1:16:38 Speaker 01 Put the water on the intercontinental.
1:16:40 Doug DeMuro? Remember that Mitsubishi Eclipse press photo shoot? I do. Pull up Mitsubishi Eclipse's final edition, and then we have to end this podcast.
1:16:45 Speaker 01 That is one of the all-time great ones.
1:16:47 Doug DeMuro? The Mitsubishi Eclipse, when they came out with this thing. Yeah, there it is. That's it.
1:16:51 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:16:51 Doug DeMuro? The final Mitsubishi Eclipse. Oh, maybe it was, it was maybe the last one, but it was, the car was built in Normal, Illinois, which is where they make Rivian's now.
1:16:58 Speaker 01 And these are corporate photos that were released.
1:17:00 Doug DeMuro? The corporate team went outside. Look, if you scroll in, go back to, if you scroll in, they got like several people in the, in the background. Oh, yeah. These were the press pictures they released. The entire team spent a whole day. They took it to like the pond on the site of the factory in Normal, Illinois, and this was their press photo.
1:17:17 Speaker 01 What an absolute disaster.
1:17:19 Doug DeMuro? Disaster. Okay, that's the end of the pod. Filippo, any final words? Yeah, according to that little thing, the new Subaru Outback has a ruler built into the tail lights. There you go. Do you like it now? No, you don't? You can, uh, I gotta say something about Cars and Beds. carsandbids.com is where you can buy and sell your cars. Did Lincoln and Cadillac not sponsor any of this? None of it. What's that about? I know, Lincoln and Cadillac. If you're at Lincoln or Cadillac, give us money. Who is this? We probably won't accept it. No, we wouldn't take it. We don't take money from out of here, so. Never, ever. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.
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