Trump's Speech to the Generals was a Sh*tshow | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

In this episode of Eyes on Geopolitics, Dee, Jack Murphy, and Mark Polymeropoulos discuss the recent speech given by Donald Trump to a gathering of military generals. They analyze the contrasting messages delivered by Trump and Pete Hegseth, the implications of military standards and cultural wars, and the potential for domestic military deployment. The conversation also touches on the role of the media in holding the government accountable and the current political climate surrounding national security issues. Support the show here: https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Find Marc here: https://www.youtube.com/@UChnNNkH64St26P3guwvwKCA Jack here: https://thehighside.substack.com/ 00:00 Trump's Speech to the Generals: An Overview 03:11 The Spectacle of Military Politics 05:54 Aesthetic vs. Substance in Military Leadership 09:09 Cultural Warfare and Military Standards 12:09 The Implications of Military in Domestic Affairs 14:51 Concerns Over Military Orders and Civil Rights 18:14 The Future of Military Engagement in America 20:52 The Normalization of Outrage in Politics 23:51 The Potential for Civil Conflict 26:51 The Role of Law Enforcement in Political Climate 30:05 Concluding Thoughts on Military and Governance 35:17 Military Response to Civil Disturbances 39:48 Concerns Over National Security and Domestic Policy 43:00 Political Exploitation of Tragedy 45:16 Media Accountability and National Security 49:48 Travel Adventures and Personal Reflections #trump #speech #generals Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:30Jack Murphy?

  But like, right before we did this show, I had a, I was watching a podcast where a Delta Force veteran, somebody actually that I know, was saying, "Look, 3% of Americans were the ones that took up arms and fought during the American Revolution and gave us this freedom. That's what's gonna have to happen today. 3% to 5% of Americans are gonna have to take up arms and be in the foxholes because we gotta resolve the problems within. We gotta resolve the enemy within before we look outside." What are we talking about there? Are we talking about like Syrian civil war? I'm like hooking my neighbor's balls up to a car battery? Like, what the fuck are we talking about here? Because it freaks me out to see some of these guys salvating over the idea of fighting an American civil war. I don't think people really understand

• 2:15Jack Murphy?

  what the fuck that entails. And not when it happens, you're not gonna be getting your Amazon Prime, you're not gonna be getting your Netflix. You know, all that's gonna go away.

• 2:37Speaker 05

  Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I'm here with a special guest today, Jack Murphy and Mark Polymeropoulos. Mark, of course, this might be your like 15th time on a Team House program. Jack's always here. Can't seem to get rid of him. Lot happening as usual. We're gonna really hammer down and focus on the, I'm gonna editorialize the insane speeches that Trump gave to the generals yesterday. It was crazy. It was in Quantico, Virginia, the Marine Corps Base. 800-plus generals, I think it was. Pete Hegseth was the opening act and then Trump came in

• 3:15Speaker 05

  and closed the show. Where are you guys at with this? We'll start with you, Mark. What are your initial thoughts of it?

• 3:24Speaker 06

  So I think the best way to do is break up the two speeches. And, you know, because I think there were definitely different messages. I think actually, and you know, perhaps I'm incorrect, but you know, originally Trump was not supposed to show up.

• 3:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was a late addition.

• 3:41Speaker 06

  But he did afterwards. He didn't like probably the idea that Hegseth would have. I mean, literally six layers of the top leadership of the US military there. Between generals, admirals, and all their staff. Probably cost 10 to 15 to 20 million. I don't know. God knows how much it cost to get everyone back. But, you know, I watched both speeches very carefully. I think that it was the Hegseth speech, you know, it was like he was a JV coach, you know, a rah-rah pep rally. The problem was, as someone who reached the highest rank of major in the Minnesota National Guard, he's talking to individuals who, you know, fought and...

• 4:22Speaker 06

  Commanded forces over a 20-year period, multiple arenas who have vastly more experience. It was a little strange. He seemed like a kid, like, you know, lecturing his staff. I would say that the military officers there were appropriately very calm, didn't respond to anything. But the things he said, I think, are important because not because some of it was outrageous. But but I think a key point of discussion today is how irrelevant it is. And so, you know, he doesn't like fat generals. Okay, I mean, Mark Milley was criticized for being a little overweight. Mark Milley doesn't have to have proper grooming standards, but fine. And and, you know, and so the notion, I mean, I could see people probably in the audience looking around each other, who's here put on a couple more

• 5:07Speaker 06

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• 5:08Speaker 05

  All I know is the Ozempic usage is gonna jump up for the

• 5:10Speaker 06

  Hell, yeah. But the other part of it, which doesn't, you know, which is which is wrong, I'll say, is the idea of, you know, relaxing rules of engagement. I mean, you know, he's advocating what war crime and again, the kind of the common trope you see in right wing circles is that we lost in Vietnam, and we lost in Afghanistan, and we lost in Iraq because because of rules of engagement. And sometimes the rules of engagement were too strict. It's not the reason why those those conflicts turned out the way they did. And so that, I mean, what are we what are we hoping to pull a Gaza? Do we want to kill 65,000 Palestinians in the next conflict? You know, I mean, just what are they talking about? Should we have killed, you know, tens of thousands more Iraqis and Afghans? That

• 5:52Speaker 06

  doesn't doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And then the final piece is kind of beating. Well, there's a couple more, you know, beating on your troops and basic. I mean, you know, what are we doing here? There's a thousand pieces of evidence that says kind of, you know, sexual harassment, physical harassment doesn't do anything for a proper cohesive unit. And so, I mean, we had that. I mean, the agency, we stopped doing any kind of stuff like that. They cut all that stuff out because it just doesn't work and everyone's going to get sued. So just really kind of silly, nonsensical stuff along the way. He was almost advocating for his book. I mean, it was embarrassing. At the end of the day, what it was not was a demand for an oath of loyalty to the president. I think you'd

• 6:34Speaker 06

  have people walk out then or subsequently. But maybe I'll maybe we should break it up between commenting on the Hegseth speech, and I'll throw it over to Jack now, see what he thinks.

• 6:46Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I would just, I think this part is pointing out the obvious in a lot of ways, but I think it's maybe worth saying or repeating because I haven't really seen it in the press so often is that, look, Pete Hegseth is a former Fox News personality, Donald Trump is a former game show host. This was a spectacle. It was designed to be a spectacle. The real point of it was not to lecture the generals. The real point of it was to generate social media content. It was for us. It was for the public. Right. And yeah, and it worked. Absolutely. I mean, look, you know, say what you will. I mean, President Trump has pretty good instincts on the campaign trail for what works with his audience and what doesn't.

• 7:29Jack Murphy?

  And he understands how to get that done. And that's how, you know, like you said, initially, it was supposed to be just Pete Hegseth giving this speech. But once Trump saw that it was going to be a nice spectacle, of course, he had to get in on that. He had to get in on that. Come on, man. So that's, that's the first thing I would point out is just when you talk about the irrelevancy, Mark, and I think you're right as far as the content, but even the context is quite irrelevant. That this is like pandering for an aesthetic, a tough guy aesthetic in the public sphere, more than it has anything to do with military policy. There's very little about policy when you get down to it, other than menial

• 8:11Jack Murphy?

  things like PT standards and grooming and we can't have beards and etc. And these are kind of like trivial things. The epitome of, you know, this meeting could have been an email, right?

• 8:24Speaker 06

  Let me, I mean, I want to ask you something because I know you focus on this. Sorry, Dee, I'm jumping in and acting like producer too. Dee's gonna fire me after this. So, so, you know, as you, as you look at Ukraine, and I know you guys do, and you look at the criticality of drone warfare and artificial intelligence, who gives a shit that women have to be up to male standards or someone can do 150 pushups? I mean, China is laughing at us. Like, the future of warfare is not, and physical fitness is important. I get it. But, but there's a lot more to how we win future wars that he didn't even touch on.

• 9:00Jack Murphy?

  Right. It's again, it's a search for an aesthetic that, you know, they want guys that look like the recruitment poster for the Waffen SS. And that goes all the way back, you know, even like the tape test that you do in the army. You know, the army, frankly, it likes people who have the sort of like physique that I have, like someone who's like six feet, 185 pounds or so. But the tape test that measures, you know, your neck, your thighs, and especially somebody who works out in the gym a lot, is going to have a thick neck and they might be in awesome shape, but the army has decided to give this test because it's searching for an aesthetic. But like who, if the guy passes the PT test, who cares? Well, what does that make sense? But to the larger point that you're making

• 9:42Jack Murphy?

  there. Yeah, in Ukraine, you have these people, you know, these soldiers who frankly, look, some of them anyway, look like the fat guy at the comic book store, but they're holding off the Russian army. I mean, it's incredible. So I think that part of it, I mean, we're seeing a couple of things. I think the speech in some of the things that Hegseth spoke about, some of that comes out of an authentic frustration and anger over 20 years of failed wars. It partly comes out of that, and I acknowledge that, that it's a real thing, and that we really do need course corrections in the Department of Defense and in the US government. But part of it also comes from this sort of

• 10:24Jack Murphy?

  like aesthetic, you know, movement or trying to attain this sort of like uber mentioned superhuman man. And I think some of that comes also from Pete really not knowing how to lead at an executive level. If he wants to go out and do PT with the troops, that's cool. I'm totally fine with that. I think it's, you know, it's even a good thing, you know, why not? Get the Secretary of Defense out there in front of the boys. Sure. But... Our Secretary of Defense needs to do more than just push-ups and pull-ups and two-mile runs. And so I think there's a lot of truth to this idea that Pete is defaulting to the

• 11:09Jack Murphy?

  rank that he left the military at, that he talks like a captain. He doesn't really, he doesn't sound like the Secretary of the Department of Defense or Department of War now.

• 11:20Speaker 06

  And, you know, and these guys, so previous Secretary of Defense, I'm sure, saw this in abject horror, because you know what they think about right now? The national defense strategy, which is still in draft. And so, and some controversy with it when some of this has been leaked, and it said that, you know, the Western Hemisphere is going to be our primary focus, not China. That's a huge change from the Biden administration and from Trump one. Those are things that matter. Resources, personnel. China is, has the world's biggest navy now. I mean, there's so many things to talk about at his level, his C-suite level, and he's literally talking about no beards. The one other thing that I wanted to raise, though, is that, as this kind of this war on woke-ism, and it's gotten so frickin' out of control, because it does sometimes start sounding like, you know, wow,

• 12:05Speaker 06

  I miss the old days of the 1950s where it was all white and all male.

• 12:08Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 12:09Speaker 06

  And, you know, what are we doing here? If you're a female midship, or female cadet at West Point, or a midshipman in Annapolis, or just a female enlisted soldier, or aman or sailor, what are you thinking right now when you hear all this stuff? Because he has this weird, bizarre focus on it. It's strange to me. And, look, the war on beards, I'm sorry, the fact on that is that a lot of African-Americans have trouble shaving because of a skin condition. This is, there's a ton of being written on this. His whole kind of anti-DI, DEI stuff, you know, got rid of the former chairman who was black. And so, there's a weird kind of, kind of white nationalist fervor to this that I just

• 12:52Speaker 06

  don't get. I mean, you can say, hey, woke-ism is wrong, and they should have stopped this, you know, five months ago. But his obsession over it is a little strange. And to me, that risks alienating a huge number in the US military, people who do want to serve. I don't know, I mean, I've had, I have friends, who's, you know, whose kids are thinking of college, and they said, you know, I'm not, I'm not, you know, it's a female student, I'm not going down that road. Not in this environment. I do not want to go to West Point or Annapolis right now. It just doesn't, it doesn't seem like the right environment for me. And I think that's because of this rhetoric, and he's certainly not helping.

• 13:27Jack Murphy?

  I think that's a part of it for sure. Um, you know, a lot of, a lot of his speech was culture war stuff.

• 13:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's red meat for their base.

• 13:35Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, he's a culture warrior. And if it sounds like when, when he speaks, if it sounds like you're reading Anons on Twitter bickering back and forth, there's a reason for that. I mean, that's what they're trying to play to here. Um, but I would also point out that the focus on like woke ism and DEI and, and the sort of search for imagined enemies and boogeymen is also emblematic of a lack of competency. Um, some of these big, big topics you're talking about, Mark, they know that they're not competent enough to resolve those issues. Um, so for instance, we're seeing, we have problems with China,

• 14:13Jack Murphy?

  Russia, Iran, but instead we've chosen in this administration to go and mess with Canada, Greenland. Um, you know, it's, it's sort of a de facto admission that these big problems we have like Gaza, like we do not have the, the, um, wisdom or maybe capability to actually resolve those problems. So instead we're going to focus on, you know, black guys having shaving profiles. Like it's a very, to me, it's a very obvious deflection.

• 14:45Speaker 06

  And, and I guess the question I'd have for you is, um, uh, you know, my experience working with kind of the senior levels in the US military, um, was that, that, that it was very much what I saw, which was a, you know, uh, they were just stoic. They were silent. There was no cheering. I mean, you know, uh, and so.

• 15:05Speaker 05

  That's a law, right? Like if it's a partisan event, you can't cheer.

• 15:08Jack Murphy?

  I don't think it's, I don't think it's a law. I think it's more of a norm.

• 15:10Speaker 05

  I think it's a norm, but no, I think it's a military code.

• 15:14Jack Murphy?

  That you can't clap?

• 15:15Speaker 05

  If it's a partisan event, you cannot clap. You need to stay silent.

• 15:18Speaker 06

  The Fort Bragg speech that Trump did, we'll talk about that later. That kind of devolved totally. But, but in this case, I, you know, I, I would, I can't imagine. I mean, the other thing though, is that there's, there's a bunch of really smart people there. There's no way they weren't saying behind the scenes, like, I can't believe we have to listen to this clown. Um, but we will, and he's the, you know, he's our secretary of defense. Um, uh, one, I, I gotta be careful when I say this, uh, someone I know, um, uh, in the, uh, in, in uniform military, kind of sent a message saying, hey, look at all, like, look at all of our generals and admirals. They're in a hostage video. Cause in essence, they were held hostage there. And the last part, of course, it's preposterous that we took 800 people offline for this. So as you said, it could have been an email. I mean, just the idea of, thank God, nothing happened.

• 16:02Speaker 06

  I mean, this is the greatest decapitation strike in the history of, it would have been, it makes, you know, the Israelis would be jealous and all the stuff that they've done overseas. You had the president, secretary of defense, and the entire six layers of the US military there in Quantico. I mean, just ludicrous. Away from post, all dissent. Do you think, Jack, here's a question, or D, don't you think our foreign intelligence services were camped out all over Quantico with their little kind of, you know, sig and grabbers, whatever the hell they had?

• 16:30Speaker 05

  They're worth anything, yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 06

  Intelligence collection bonanza there?

• 16:36Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, now, I mean, I'm sure it was. I'm, there's a number of reasons why I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense. But again, it's a, it's a social media presidency.

• 16:46Speaker 05

  There's also a little morsel there. I mean, most of the P tag says speech was kind of bullshit, but the one bit was talking about like the, they're gonna strip some of the IG stuff and like oversight, which, you know, Jack, you've written about sexual assault in the military extensively.

• 17:02Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, the IG is already kind of a broken system, in my opinion. And that's a whole other subject, but getting into like how IG investigations are run and how they wait two years to investigate witnesses so that everyone's left the military by the, you know, there's all kinds of little games they play.

• 17:20Jack Murphy?

  But you know, the thing with, you're, you're right about, you know, stripping some of the protections, that sounds like not a good idea.

• 17:28Jack Murphy?

  But back to the thing about Hegseth and that I wanted to acknowledge that there are some very like real concerns and real, and I think these speeches you see come out of a lot of anxiety that Americans are...

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• 19:07Jack Murphy?

  Feeling about a lot of different things. And in some cases, those are imagined fictive enemies. They're boogeymen that are conjured up in the imagination. But in other cases, as I said earlier, there's this very real frustration over, you know, losing wars for 20 years. Like, what the hell is wrong with our Pentagon? And so I think when Hegseth gets into talking about doing away with a zero defect environment, that like, we're willing to like, forgive an officer that makes an earnest mistake. I mean, I don't, I don't think all change is bad change. And I'm not going to dunk on every single, like, when the DOD does something good, I'll say it, you know? I don't have Trump derangement syndrome, or something like, whatever they want to call it. I mean, another thing that,

• 19:48Jack Murphy?

  um, I don't know if we're going to go in depth on this show, but something that Pete Hegseth, I think, has done well, is he's taken the AHI Havana syndrome thing much more seriously than people have previously. So, I mean, he is doing some good. And I don't want to cast that aside. And I don't want to cast aside the concerns that people have about the military. And I guess one more thing real quick is about some of like, anecdotally, some of the reactions that I saw to the speech. And it was very interesting to see some of the, um, they're, they're starting to become old timers. I mean, the retirees on, on Facebook, you know, the, the old retired military officers. And it

• 20:33Jack Murphy?

  was interesting to see how many of them, well, first off, they were ecstatic about the speech. Secondly, they were absolutely salvating over it because they saw this as a return to the glory years, the golden years of the 1990s military, which I was kind of shocked to hear these guys talking about because I've spent my entire life listening to these guys complain about how Bill Clinton destroyed the military and they had no money to train during the 1990s and all they got was these bullshit UN peacekeeping missions and now they were the golden years of the military. It's sort of like high school, I think. Like the longer you're retired, the more you kind of look back at that era with fondness, you know, and nostalgia.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  Let me just remind you, the Tailhook scandal occurred in the 1990s, which destroyed the US Navy. So.

• 21:26Jack Murphy?

  And in the 1980s, post Vietnam, the army was a mess, man. And if you talk to some of those like general officers, like have a candid conversation with them about how we would have fared if we went to war with the Soviet Union. I mean, it was dicey. The US Army in Germany was like Lord of the Flies. There was crazy shit going on there that the American public doesn't understand.

• 21:48Speaker 06

  So I think, you know, in the end, this is someone who was, was, it was, should have been an email and was giving a speech as a captain or a major. And the idea that he's at the, you know, at the senior executive level, talking about this stuff is, is nuts. Where there are real issues. I don't know if the US Navy can respond if China tries to blockade, you know, Taiwan, you know, fundamentally. And so they're, you know, we've expended a lot of ordinance, providing, and I think it's the right thing to do, providing weapons to ammunition, everything to the Ukrainians. But is the US industrial base capable of regenerating this? Like, these are the issues he's got to be thinking about, not your beard. Now, and I, but, but I think, you know, you're fair to say some of these,

• 22:30Speaker 06

  you know, these are things that you hear all the time, but, but people complain about, but that's left to, to the captains and the majors to probably deal with and not someone like that. But, but Dee, here's the important point is that the Hegseth thing was not really the story. Because what happened after was about a, what a 70-minute speech, which was just weird. You know, the Trump speech was, first of all, I thought he was gonna fall asleep. It was rambling, it was odd, and it was a blatant political speech, which of course, in the biggest news of it, that it interjected the idea of using the US military in US cities. So I think, you know, the outrage on this was not the ridiculous hexe.

• 23:14Speaker 06

  Where he said some things which are certainly up for debate, but it's really that the commander in chief didn't look well. And I'm sure the generals and animals are sitting there saying, maybe they knew it was coming, but you know, my God, this, he was slurring, it looked like he was falling asleep, rambling on about stuff blatantly political all over the place, saying absolutely nothing, occasionally jumping in, using his teleprompter. That, I think, gave a lot of people, myself, a lot of people in national security kind of world, like thinking like, oh my God, this is like, you know, when Biden's decline was very, very visible, this was, to me, was like that a little bit, like, holy cow, this is our guy.

• 23:52Jack Murphy?

  It's been like that for a little bit, Mark. I mean, if you recall his speech at the UN recently, he's become increasingly incoherent. And I don't necessarily mean that to be ageist or insulting or whatever, it's just father time comes for us all, and I think it may be coming for our president right now, because when he speaks, what he says just doesn't make sense half of the time.

• 24:15Speaker 06

  It's verbal diarrhea. I mean, it's, you know.

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  He used to call that the weave, he called that the weave on the campaign trip.

• 24:20Speaker 06

  This is not that, though. This was kind, this is a little alarming, you know.

• 24:24Jack Murphy?

  If you go back and watch footage of him, his first administration versus today, there's a marked difference.

• 24:30Speaker 06

  Oh, huge, I agree. Yeah, I agree. You know, I'll tell you a great, a really, a really bizarre, not bizarre story, but you know, there's always anecdotes of life. And I was in 2016 during the campaign, I was, my son was a high school baseball player, we're down in Florida, in Kissimmee, Florida, outside of Orlando. And home, I think there was, there's minor league ballparks there, they were playing a game, we left, but as we were leaving, loads of pickup trucks are coming in, American flags everywhere, I'm like, what the hell is going on? It was the first time I saw it, it was a Trump MAGA rally. And, and I think back to that time, because that energy was unbelievable. I mean, that was, that people rolling in there, we're coming to see, you know, Jesus Christ, their savior.

• 25:13Speaker 06

  And that's when Trump on the campaign trail really was able to not, you know, so he was, he was on at that time. And obviously he appealed to a lot of people and he won, but a different, a different kind of energy and individual, because you're right, he's gotten, he's gotten older. But let's, let's switch to that, the, the topic, which I think was what, what everyone took away from that, when he's talking about US military in cities. And, and there's, you know, there has to be discussion amongst the generals and admirals after that saying like, okay, what do we do now? You know, and there are things, there are lawful orders that will come down, but there, but there's always the possibility that there's not. But, but Jack, do you think that there's, there was discomfort as he kept saying like, you know, I mean, yeah,

• 25:55Speaker 06

  hey, you know, this is, this is your next arena is essentially what he was telling them?

• 25:59Jack Murphy?

  Yes. Yeah, I, I mean, I can only speculate. I have to imagine that it made a lot of people feel uncomfortable. Because yeah, he, yeah, he made it perfectly clear in there, like, we have to deal with the enemy within. That's the real battle. That's, that's what we have to do. And incrementally, he's putting more and more troops in more and more cities to see how much he can get away with. I think that between him and Stephen Miller, you know, they're pushing the norms, they're pushing the boundaries to see how far they can go before someone stops them. And, you know, they'll get to a certain point. And then, you know, when you say, hey, this looks like martial law, and everyone will shrug and be like, oh, well, it's already been going on for 12 months. And, you know, whatever, or worse, you know,

• 26:44Jack Murphy?

  they precipitate a crisis of some sorts and literally declare martial law. Yeah, it's concerning.

• 26:53Speaker 06

  I mean, you know, I mean, I mean, can you imagine, do you remember years ago, there was in the right wing circles, there was always this worry of the kind of the black helicopters that somehow, you know, Obama was going to do this, they're going to take away our guns. But it was all these, always the idea of, of, of, you know, US troops would be used against, and that in the case before is against the right. But now everyone and that side seems quite comfortable with this, or maybe they don't. I mean, the one thing that I'm I'm not surprised because this has turned into a bit of a cult. But the Republican Party in the past should be a conservative party should be horrified at this notion of US of US military operating in the cities. That is against everything we hear about, you know, Republican orthodoxy for generations.

• 27:38Speaker 06

  And so, but but the Republican senators and House members were very quiet on this. And I think that

• 27:42Jack Murphy?

  Big time libertarian Rand Paul is all about it. He supports it. It's like, so so were you lying to me then? Or are you lying to me now? Which is it?

• 27:55Speaker 06

  Right. And so, so, you know, the, the, the, I guess one of the things I would wonder is, does each, does, you know, and I, how can I say this? People I know at senior levels, for example, in the intelligence community who are worried about Trump, honestly, um, uh, and and the idea of kind of illegal orders. And they would tell me, yeah, you know, we have a resignation letter typed up just in case, just in case we're asked to do some come up kind of like blatantly Tom Clancy like illegal covert action, maybe like blowing up narco traffickers in the high season in the Caribbean.

• 28:25Jack Murphy?

  I've already heard that, you know, certain officers are going and seeking legal counsel on their own.

• 28:31Speaker 06

  Yeah. Because guess who's going to get in trouble? They are. The president's immune from this stuff.

• 28:35Jack Murphy?

  And he's going to pardon everyone around him, but not some general.

• 28:39Speaker 06

  So so wouldn't you have that concern? I mean, there, you know, there has to be obviously clarifications on on any kind of use of of US military. Now, right now, I guess it is the National Guard. But, you know, he deployed the National Guard here in DC. Um, they picked up a hell of a lot of trash and put some mulch down. Um, uh, it was nice. Things seem to look a little nicer. They were bored. I mean, it turned out, you know, but but that's he's allowed to do that, um, because of the unique status of DC. But in terms of other places, Chicago, Portland,

• 29:06Jack Murphy?

  LA.

• 29:07Speaker 06

  I think it's going to be a much different, uh, uh, case there. Again, um, uh, I think that I think it was the Portland National Guard. Uh, I don't know his rank. Um, but but there was there was something, a memo leaked where he was, he was very uncomfortable with what he is going to be asked to do because. So, Jack, you understand this? He's going to say, like, I need to know exactly what I can do. In situations like this.

• 29:33Jack Murphy?

  I, I mean, I'm not quite as optimistic maybe as you are, Mark. And again, this is also because of my own sort of bias created by the bubble that I live in and work in, right? But like, right before we did this show, I had a, I was watching a podcast where a Delta Force veteran, somebody actually that I know, was saying, look, 3% of Americans were the ones that took up arms and fought during the American Revolution and gave us this freedom. That's what's gonna have to happen today. 3 to 5% of Americans are gonna have to take up arms and being in the foxholes because we gotta resolve the problems within. We gotta resolve the enemy within before we look outside. What are we talking about there?

• 30:18Jack Murphy?

  Are we talking about like Syrian civil war? Like, I'm like hooking my neighbor's balls up to a car battery? Like, like, what the fuck are we talking about here? Because it freaks me out to see some of these guys salvating over the idea of fighting an American civil war. I don't think people really understand what the fuck that entails. And not when it happens, you're not gonna be getting your Amazon Prime, you're not gonna be getting your Netflix, you know, all that's gonna go away.

• 30:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I hear you on that. I mean, I do wonder if there's a, there's a difference between retired, you know, three or star, four star, or retired, you know, someone who's in enlisted ranks. Or maybe not. But, but you know, that of course is, that's a, that's a huge concern. And the part of that, I think that is worrisome is that there is absolutely very, well, there's very little federal law enforcement or, you know, resources now designed to look at that because under Cash Patel's FBI, you know, they have kind of gutted any type of, you know, investigatory work on, on kind of right wing extremism. I mean, they just have. And so.

• 31:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, that's a whole other subject, you know, could a civil war erupt United States? That's horrifying to think about.

• 31:31Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, but I mean, there are some people out there who seem very concerned to make that happen and.

• 31:36Speaker 06

  Well, I would, I would argue that, that with some of these deployments, the, you know, these National Guard deployments, you're almost itching for a fight. You know, I, I, so I, I don't, I don't think the, the, you know, the regular GOP congressmen or senators like this, but I, but the Stephen Millers of the world really do concern me. You know, when is, is, it was had a news conference yesterday talking about ICE agents going into, I think into Chicago. And, and he's saying that, hey, you know, you know, you, you guys are rolling in there with guns and badges, you know, we watch it and, you know, I, there's, switching topics just a little bit on that, you know, I, I have very good friends in, in big city police departments, very senior levels and, and one from a major east coast city told me, and

• 32:20Speaker 06

  he's at this, he's there at their C suite level, he said, you know, I worked in the worst areas of my city. I never masked up. I never, you know, hid any kind of nameplate. And certainly I wasn't kind of tackling, you know, you know, 60s and 70 year old men and women, like, you know, the tactics of ICE, I think are something to be concerned about as well. But I think it goes into this whole notion of the enemy from within, and that's, that's pretty disturbing.

• 32:49Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, when you see Stephen Miller ratcheting up the rhetoric and he's basically telling them, you know, it's weapons free, guys, weapons hot. You can't really say things like that when you're in charge of, you know, in this case, a paramilitary police force that's already kind of out of control.

• 33:08Speaker 06

  He's, he is.

• 33:08Speaker 05

  And that's getting, and that's getting the most, biggest budget of all agencies, federal, like, you know.

• 33:14Speaker 06

  This is the deputy national security advisor who actually said the Democratic Party is a domestic extremist organization. I, so I mean, and that just kind of just flows, again, you, that stuff can't be said in the context of, you know.

• 33:28Jack Murphy?

  They also connected the last, like, two mass shooters to left wing groups without any evidence.

• 33:36Jack Murphy?

  I don't, I don't know what their political ideology was, if they even have a coherent political ideology, but they weren't being funded by George Soros. I'm sorry, man.

• 33:45Speaker 06

  Well, this is encouraging. So the one thing that is given is that, Dee, we will find another outrage to discuss at some point in the near future because not unusual. I think that, you know, again, at the end of the day, you know, we have incredibly incredible US military. Of course, there's there's there are things that can be improved upon. Jack, you served honorably. I do really wonder if if there's a lot of angst inside that building, inside the Pentagon and senior levels. And by the way, if there's not, then we have a different problem.

• 34:20Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 34:23Speaker 05

  Just to wrap up a little bit, I mean, he started his speech with like, you guys, wow, this is quietest room I've ever been in. You guys can laugh. It's our don't laugh, don't laugh. You guys can walk out if you like, but you're gonna, you know, your career is gonna be over. That's what the commander in chief said to 800 of the top generals and admirals in the United States military. That's like, that's like kind of a joke. But like the minute he started talking about enemy from within and like you said about using the cities as training grounds. At what point are we getting to the where it's like completely unconstitutional? Like, yeah, we hear this all the time from Trump. So like, we kind of like are numb to it and desensitized to like the outrageous shit he says. But it's like, at what point do we see

• 35:08Speaker 05

  the writing on the wall? Because the writing's on the wall.

• 35:11Speaker 06

  It's there. All this is normalized now. I mean, so again, the craziness is normalized. And so you can't even keep up if you want to comment on it. I mean, we're doing this this episode now.

• 35:22Speaker 06

  And, you know, if you if you pop open the news, something else will have occurred. You know, obviously, the government's been shut down now. But but, you know, the news cycle so fast that these outrages, which ordinarily would lead literally to the impeachment of someone. You can't, I mean, some of these like,

• 35:38Jack Murphy?

  Imagine if Obama said, we're gonna fight the enemy within and use American cities as a training ground for the military. Every right winger I know would lose their fucking mind.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:49Jack Murphy?

  And rightly so. Right.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  Yes, you say that.

• 35:54Speaker 06

  So, you know, there again, there's the, I think, but the, but the problem is the outrage is real. Fine. One, one final thing. It's funny because I, when I talk to my wife all the time about this. So, and she is, you know, you know, both of us work in the intelligence community, community. So, you know, the, the glass is always, you know, half empty sometimes where we, we, you can, we've, we've been jaded with all of our time in the Middle East. And so sometimes you kind of go doom scrolling through life on what, what's happening. But, you know, she, every once in a while she'll, she'll give a scenario like, hey, what if this happens, Jack? What, you know, what if there's a civil war? And I would tell her, stop, you know, come on, it's not going to happen. I don't say that anymore. The, the, I don't think that that can't happen, that, that phrase right there. You can't say that anymore because all of these things actually are happening.

• 36:38Speaker 06

  And, and so to me, that's, uh, that's pretty ominous for, uh, for the future. Yet, uh, you know, again, I've, I've been on this podcast and, and the team house and, and I was only so many times and, you know, sometimes there's hate mail, sometimes probably sees people agree with me.

• 36:53Speaker 06

  But at the end of the day, uh, uh, I think all of our warnings that we've had over the time period where I've been talking to you guys, everything has come true. It's, I mean, it's, so, you know,

• 37:05Jack Murphy?

  After, um, after the inauguration, I had a conversation with, uh, my daughter's mom, her mother, um, that I never, ever thought I would have because my daughter, uh, has, is a dual passport holder. And I told her mother, I was like, look, if he puts troops in the streets of this city, just get on an airplane and go and I'll, I'll catch up with you sometime down the line. I never thought I'd have that conversation.

• 37:33Speaker 06

  I think that's, it's, there's, there's no, there's reason to have that conversation. And that's the, that's the pretty scary part.

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  Right now, but you know, I think it just takes people who are courageous to speak up. And that, to me, is one of the saddest things. You know, we live in this world, Jack, where so many people we know are former national security officials and some bravely speak up, some do not. I just wish more would, particularly at the very senior levels. You know, I know, I know General Mattis has kind of poked his head up every once in a while. General Kelly certainly did as well. But, but those who understand what's happening, I really wish, I understand that you're retired and you're supposed to have this kind of code of silence, except in a time where things are so kind of out of control. And I would think that this is one of those times. But when you're talking about US forces deployed in the United States against fellow Americans, that's the time where you say, hey, you got

• 39:51Speaker 06

  to call that bullshit.

• 39:52Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I think the question I would have for my many friends who reside somewhere on the right is, I'd want to know from them, where's the bottom? How far is too far for you? Like, like, explain that to me, what it is when you're going to draw the line and say, no, enough is enough. Because right now, it seems like there is no bottom.

• 40:13Speaker 06

  Cruelty is the point.

• 40:15Speaker 05

  Right.

• 40:15Speaker 06

  If you get off on what ICE is doing in the United States. Cruelty is the point. Um, this is, this is out of control. We don't need kind of, uh, you know, these, this kind of Gestapo commando raise. I'm sorry. That's what, that's what's happening.

• 40:27Speaker 05

  Literally what that is, dude.

• 40:29Speaker 06

  It's, and it's, and for, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm as pro law enforcement. I just wrote a check to the, you know, our state police here. I give money to everybody, every law enforcement, uh, uh, you know, entity that comes calling or that they're, they're, you know, retirement associations or whatever, but good Lord.

• 40:44Jack Murphy?

  My retirement association could use a check too, Mark, by the way, if you can facilitate.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  Mine too. Mine too. It's just to my name. Uh, there was a one little bit too, where he mentioned in the speech Trump did, uh, reference the, an executive order that he signed a year ago, uh, not a year, a month ago, to create a military quick reaction force to quell civil disturbances.

• 41:02Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  Is that? Not National Guard? That's like actual like active duty. I mean, National Guard or active duty, but it's like. Non National Guard QRF ready to come in?

• 41:14Jack Murphy?

  I don't know what, what the intent is there. I'd have to do some research on that one. Um, but. You can deploy the US military domestically. I mean, posse comitatus doesn't preclude the deployment of American troops in a continental United States, but, um, there are a couple of different ways it can be done. One is, um, there's an office. It's like a civil request for military support. Um, and that would not be for like armed troops. That would be like hurricane relief kind of stuff. Um, now if the president were to declare, um, use the insurrection act and declare that we are in a state of insurrection, then the, the

• 41:56Jack Murphy?

  guide, the guardrails just come off and you can deploy the 82nd Airborne with bayonets fixed, um, into Chicago or DC or New York or wherever you want.

• 42:07Speaker 06

  One funny point about that, not funny at all, but he actually is saying on the, not the campaign trail, but he's saying almost every day since the National Guard, they didn't leave DC yet, but since this kind of this has kind of calmed down, he says there's no crime in DC. There's murders in DC every day. Now, DC crime is down. It's still serious. But he literally has declared DC a crime-free zone, which is funny because, you know, you read the police blotters. No, there's people who were stabbed last night. A couple of people were murdered over this last week. And so, you know, that, there's, there's always that notion of, you know, where's the truth on these things?

• 42:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's fucking delusional, Mark. We could say it. I'll say it.

• 42:48Speaker 06

  Yeah. That's just, it's also just not telling the truth, lying, just blatantly about things.

• 42:54Jack Murphy?

  There are some like, and this is getting a little bit far into like conspiracy theories, but it makes you wonder what's going on where Trump is posting these like AI-generated videos, including like that, did you see that med bed thing?

• 43:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, the med bed one. He posted some video like advertising a fucking med bed. It was an AI video. Quickly deleted it probably like an hour later or whatever.

• 43:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. And then didn't he also accidentally post on his social media, a text he wanted to send to the Attorney General?

• 43:24Speaker 05

  So people, yeah, people thought it was a DM to Pam Bondi. Yeah.

• 43:28Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. So I mean, there's like, when you say delusional, I mean,

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Which the DMs clearly says, oh, I want to go after my political enemies. Like literally plain as fucking day, direct order from the president to the Attorney General.

• 43:42Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. So I mean, there is some evidence here that this guy is not of sound mind.

• 43:47Speaker 06

  And I think this, that speech, I mean, it looked like he was following, I was texting my, you know, other friends in the media and I said, you know, is he okay? And by the way, you know, him being not okay is not good. I'm not a fan of Trump. That's no, that's no secret to anyone here. But you don't want him in that kind of state that he's in, you know, and, and not because, and, and I think that he's, he's making terrible decisions on, on domestic policy. But I'm worried about that, you know, the four o'clock phone call in the middle of the night about some massive national security crisis. Are we capable of dealing with that? That I don't know, particularly with the way he's acting. That, that speech at Quantico was, was alarming.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  I think the writing is really on the wall and obviously Trump is old and dotty and stuff when that's just what it is. When you're 79, 80 years old, it's fine. I, you know, but you're right. It's totally concerning like it was concerning with Biden, but the national military defense strategy that's coming out, the new one that's been leaked to high heavens, focusing less on China and Russia and more on domestic and regional is one point. The second point is it's just, you know, probing with LA, the National Guard with DC, with maybe Chicago, maybe Oregon, happening, maybe New York, who knows. Also, the, in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, I feel like they

• 45:10Speaker 05

  have, at least Stephen Miller and those kinds of, those guys have taken it upon themselves to really turbocharge this because they did do some other executive order, the MP, whatever they like, they're classifying like if you're anti-capitalist or anti-Christian or anti-something like you could

• 45:26Jack Murphy?

  Anti-American. I mean, it's basically so broad. It could mean anyone and anything.

• 45:30Speaker 06

  Let me just, let me just throw one thing out there. The National Guard is never going to New York City in grand numbers like that. Now you, they've called in the National Guard for the subways at times and that was done.

• 45:39Jack Murphy?

  I saw him in the subway today, Mark.

• 45:41Speaker 06

  Right. But that, but that's, that's been done under the Biden administration. But the idea of the National Guard coming in to fight crime when the New York City Police Department is 40,000 members. I'm not so sure. Yeah, they're going to be a little more, now, now where this changes is with your next mayoral election. And, and New York becomes a different place if a certain candidate wins and then Trump just goes to war.

• 46:06Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, Trump already tweeted it out about like if Zoran wins, he's going to cut funding to New York City. Like, I don't know how that's kind of legal.

• 46:15Jack Murphy?

  That gets me thinking because Trump was going to cut $35 million in counterterrorism funding until a judge shut that down and said, you can't cut that funding. And then there was some other funding for the city, federal funding that he was going to cut. I don't know if he did or not. And then there's the, the new tunnel they're building from New Jersey.

• 46:35Speaker 06

  He's threatening to do this now with the shutdown. So, so that's what he said that.

• 46:39Jack Murphy?

  So I wonder, I wonder if, you know, you got me thinking, Mark. I mean, I wonder if he's trying to gut law enforcement capability so that he has an excuse to send the National Guard.

• 46:52Speaker 06

  Interesting times.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  Also, like, if he does send the National Guard, well, how does, how do you know, like, what, you know, what, how many police officers are okay with this?

• 47:01Speaker 06

  So, so, look, the, the, the DC police force is on, is, is under, under strain. And so, so the, the response is really interesting in DC because the response from the police unions and others is, you know, we welcome this deployment. It's not a long-term strategy. Frankly, what we need is more cops. They're down a thousand cops. And so, so, you know, so in, in areas where there is an acute shortage of police officers, and I think there's, there's total agreement that that's, that's the way to solve a lot of the crime issues. You've got to put more cops in the street. Um, uh, uh, at least what I hear in DC, but New York doesn't have that problem. Um, at least as far as I'm concerned, as far as I know.

• 47:37Speaker 05

  There's like almost 40,000 cops.

• 47:39Speaker 06

  Forty thousand, that, that's more, that's a, and, and it's also, I mean, it's, it's.

• 47:43Speaker 05

  And you have state police here, too.

• 47:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, but there, you know, New York has, uh, uh, an incredible, you know, emergency response. That what's, what is it called? It's not ERT, was it ESU there? ESU there, um, aviation, maritime. I mean, basically, it's, it's a, it's a mini army. Um, uh, and incredibly respected globally. Um, and so I think it is a little bit different there. There's, there's no need for the National Guard, other than the issue of the subway.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  Was there a need, was there a need for the National Guard to go to LA?

• 48:14Speaker 06

  No, absolutely not. Um, again, and.

• 48:16Speaker 05

  They care about need of anything.

• 48:18Speaker 06

  Even LA doesn't want it. And so, again, but, but this is where. Or the governor. And same thing now in, in Illinois, and we're going to see that in Oregon. Um, the, and, and the worry on all this is that there's some catastrophic event in which there's a lot of life on either side.

• 48:33Speaker 05

  Think about it, if there's a big protest and, you know, people start shooting or something goes down.

• 48:37Speaker 06

  That's what they want. My contention would be, uh, that's what they want.

• 48:41Speaker 05

  They're going to capital, they're going to capital, politically capitalize on another tragedy, like they're trying to do with Kirk. And it's disgusting, frankly.

• 48:49Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean Charlie Kirk and you know, the murderer, the guy that killed him and the motive, all of these things are completely irrelevant. Everyone just sees, you know, how can we cash in on this? How can we politicize this thing and for our own self benefit? And in that case, you know, the the victim becomes, you know, shortchanged, you know, it's like they don't matter.

• 49:13Speaker 05

  And even Kirk's widow, right? She came out and she's like, I forgive the shooter and stuff, and we need to be more forgiving, right? Like, maybe we should listen to the woman who like, lost everything. Maybe, I don't know. She's the only one kind of talking sense besides like, everyone else is gearing up for whatever they think is gonna happen next.

• 49:33Jack Murphy?

  I mean, I appreciate the the Christian sentiment in her. I mean, I think the I think the killer should be prosecuted.

• 49:40Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 49:41Jack Murphy?

  But that's that's kind of where it ends. We don't use it as an excuse to crack down on political opponents.

• 49:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's my whole point. I don't think the guy should walk free like and be all good. No, he's gotta go.

• 49:54Speaker 06

  No, that was that was a horrific crime. It was awful. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I, you know, unfortunately, my tendency is to look at social media and you actually if there's graphic footage of that, it was horrendous. It brought me back to Iraq and Afghanistan time, seeing stuff like that. It was horrible.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, so we'll see what goes from here. I'm sure there'll be never ending cycle of news that keeps coming and coming.

• 50:20Speaker 06

  But you guys are still here.

• 50:22Jack Murphy?

  For now.

• 50:23Speaker 05

  For now, yeah.

• 50:23Speaker 06

  You guys are still here. I have my I have my team house bling.

• 50:27Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, they haven't put the kibosh on us yet.

• 50:29Speaker 05

  No.

• 50:30Speaker 06

  Well, you know, one of the so so, Jack, I saw the tweet you had too, especially when I think was it was it was JSOC or someone put something out about what CSMs were saying, don't talk to the media for the former former members of the units. Don't do this and don't do that. And you kind of objected to that.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  Well, they've been leaning, people have been leaning on other podcasts to take off Delta Force.

• 50:53Jack Murphy?

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

• 50:54Speaker 05

  Interviews and stuff like that. And a couple pussy podcasts have done that. Not pussy, a couple of them we'd like, but.

• 51:01Speaker 06

  Can I ask you a question? And we can, you can, you can run this or not. What is the controversy over Benghazi that I hear has kind of been ginned up? Over Delta versus the GRS guys? I honestly don't understand what's going on.

• 51:14Jack Murphy?

  It's really weird to hear it ginned up after all these years to become like this sort of like controversy. I think the reason why is because, and I haven't been tracking this closely, but I believe the reason why is because the two Delta operators who responded to Benghazi are potentially having their Navy Cross and Distinguished Service Cross upgraded to a Medal of Honor. I think they're looking at that. And the GRS guys are complaining because the Delta guys rolled Glenn Doherty and Ty Woods' remains off the roof of the building to get them down in an expedient manner. Whether that was tactically, you know, appropriate or not, I wasn't there, I don't know, but that's, that's where the controversy kind of erupts from.

• 51:59Speaker 06

  Gotcha. Cause I saw in another podcast, they were reading out one of the statements. It was kind of, again, you never, I don't know what the recent outrage was with, you know, in this kind of weird world. But it seems like people were fired up about that. And I did see that you had on, was it Matt Cole? Recently about their botched SEAL Team Six raid in North Korea.

• 52:22Jack Murphy?

  Yep.

• 52:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, which I thought that was again, another fascinating story. And, and you know, it's, that's, that, that is of course going to be much more problematic with the incredible crackdown on press from the Pentagon.

• 52:37Speaker 05

  There's like no press there.

• 52:39Speaker 06

  Well, I know, and I talked to my friends who were there and they said, you know, they're, they're trying to make everybody sign a statement. Saying that, you know, you can only, you know, you only can can obtain unclassified stuff from folks, this and that. But I was told by someone from kind of a centrist publication that that even Fox and even OAN are not signing this. Uh, and so, you know, we'll, uh, we'll see. And of course, this notion, there's a front page story in the Washington Post, is it today or yesterday? That they're going to start polygraphing everybody at the Pentagon.

• 53:08Speaker 05

  I saw that. I saw.

• 53:09Speaker 06

  Yeah. Uh, now for me, I got polygraphed a billion times. So, but, but it's kind of interesting that, that, that, that's a tone they're setting.

• 53:17Jack Murphy?

  I would suspect that, um, actually the, what they're doing is going to lead to more leaks. Uh, the Department of Defense is so big, it's like close to a million people or something like that. I mean, you're not going to be able to shut them all down and shut everyone up. Um, it's like, like the CIA, for instance, is much smaller. It's much easier to keep things inside the building. With the Department of Defense, they don't have that luxury. Uh, so I, I would speculate that actually the leaks will increase as the pressure ratchets up on, on people in the Pentagon.

• 53:49Speaker 06

  And by the way, the leaks that Hegseth care about have nothing to do with military plans or operations, has to do with him.

• 53:54Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it makes him look bad.

• 53:56Speaker 06

  It makes him look bad. That's what he's upset about. So it's kind of, and you know, and here's, here's one thing that I, that I think, and I'm, I'm surprised I'm even saying it because it's my evolution. I mean, the fourth estate, the media, this is what keeps us whole. You know, it's really important to have journalism, uh, uh, you know, especially, uh, you know, reporting on national security issues because I was in the CIA, Jack, you were in, uh, uh, you know, special units in the military and ultimately you were given extraordinary power. Um, and there is always room for abuse. And so, you know, having a press holding people accountable, there's nothing wrong with that. You don't want the leak of classified war plans before the fact. I get all that. But I've become much more of an advocate of, of the media, uh, the press in terms of how they hold government accountable. And I think now is more important than ever.

• 54:41Jack Murphy?

  And unfortunately, some of these big publications are abdicating that responsibility.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  Jack, you literally read my fucking mind. Yeah.

• 54:49Speaker 06

  The editorial board of the Washington Post is now kind of kooky. They're all, they're all kind of, they're weird and MAGA-y now. And, um, yeah.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  We're doomed, is what you're saying, guys. Great. I, I always feel better when these fucking shows happen.

• 55:04Speaker 06

  There's some good news. The Red Sox are going to beat the Yankees.

• 55:06Speaker 05

  Fuck you, Mark. I knew you were going to say that. I don't even care. I'm a hockey fan. I'm a Ranger fan.

• 55:12Speaker 06

  All right. Well, they start on Tuesday.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  Excited. Um, anything else you guys want to hit on before we dip out?

• 55:19Speaker 06

  No, I think that's good. One more quick thing. I want to advocate for a trip for people. I just got back from Alaska. Cool. That was the coolest trip and I've lived everywhere and I've traveled everywhere. A very cool place. I had to give a talk out there and my wife and I stayed on a couple of days and talk about spectacular senior. I know, I know, Jack, you've, you went to Iceland last year or the year before, right? That's like three years ago now. A couple of years ago. Like when you see stuff like that, that is incredible, kind of, you know, what, and I'm going to sound silly now, but you know, with nature, with these just, you know, vast.

• 55:51Speaker 07

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 56:06Speaker 08

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 56:17Speaker 07

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 56:22Speaker 09

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 56:28Speaker 07

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• 57:18Speaker 06

  Glaciers or mountains.

• 57:19Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 57:20Speaker 06

  Um, uh, and places off the beaten path. Man, I loved it there. It was very cool.

• 57:24Jack Murphy?

  I'd love to go to, uh, to Alaska. I do have a trip planned for, it's actually a year from now, but in, uh, Alberta.

• 57:33Speaker 06

  There you go. Yep. Very similar. Canada's cool. And just keep on going up left a little bit. Go across the Yukon.

• 57:41Speaker 06

  Dee, it's too cold for you there.

• 57:42Speaker 05

  Nah, I can't fuck with that shit. You kidding me? I need concrete. I need concrete. I need air conditioning. I need climate.

• 57:47Speaker 06

  Bears, moose. There's, there was a moose walking down the road.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  I wouldn't survive. I wouldn't survive. Even the civil war happens, I wouldn't survive. I'm out of here.

• 57:54Speaker 06

  I'll send you guys a video. It's great. So my wife, we stopped the car. We're watching this moose and it's behind a fence. We're by the airport. And so there are fences there, but then they have little, then they have breaks in the fences, the moose, so they can walk around. So some tourist jumps up and is messing with this moose is massive.

• 58:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:09Speaker 06

  And the moose gets pissed and goes after the tourist and charges across the, the road. And this is like, you remember the Blair Witch Project with like the screen going everywhere and crazy? Like this is the video my wife's taking of us. We are running into the car and try to escape.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  Oh my God, found footage of like a moose attack.

• 58:27Speaker 06

  That's it. That's the last time you'll ever see us.

• 58:30Speaker 05

  All right. Uh, Mark, you have a podcast, The Crisis Room with, oh my God, the Home Secretary. What's her name?

• 58:37Speaker 06

  Amber Rudd and, uh, uh, and Mark Urban. I'm having fun with that.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  Tell Mark Urban to come on the team house. I reached out to him like a year and a half ago.

• 58:45Speaker 06

  Cause that.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  I had to check on my editor. I'm like, can you stop and just come on the podcast?

• 58:49Speaker 06

  No, I told him the other day and I'll, I'll remind him. We're doing it. We're doing an emergency pod tomorrow with this terrorist attack in the UK. Um, it just occurred today. And so, yeah, that's been fun.

• 58:58Speaker 05

  Jack Murphy, of course, the high side, his, uh, outlet with Sean Naylor, writing about, uh, some AHI Havana syndrome stuff.

• 59:08Jack Murphy?

  Uh, something's coming out soon. Part two coming out soon.

• 59:12Speaker 06

  And a lot of stuff's breaking on that. So we gotta do a big episode.

• 59:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. So we, we definitely should get something with you and, and another person to, yeah, Adam.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  Adam, Adam. Yeah. Uh, for sure. Uh, let's, let's do that.

• 59:23Speaker 05

  When the ship hits the fan. Um. And yeah, patreon.com/the team house. We crushing. We're doing so many podcasts, not even a joke anymore. You get the team house and Izan completely ad free and early and you can help support the show as well. Patreon.com/the team house. Follow Mark, follow Jack. I'll put all the links in the description. Thanks, guys. This is great.

• 59:45Speaker 06

  Great seeing you guys.

• 59:46Speaker 13

  You too.

• 59:48Jack Murphy?

  Hey, guys. I want to tell all of you today about a new newsletter that we're launching that encompasses both the Team House Podcast, the Eyes On Podcast, and the High Side News Outlet, which I run with Sean Naylor. The newsletter is going to be once a week. It's going to come into your inbox and you're going to get the most current podcasts on Eyes On and the Team House and whatever's topical or current on the High Side. So it's another way for us to get the information out to you as social media algorithms are pretty iffy and you never really know what you're going to get. So this is a once a week email. It'll slide into your inbox and it will have, you know, the greatest hits of that week.

• 1:00:28Speaker 13

  It's really good. Checking it out.

• 1:00:31Jack Murphy?

  The website for it is teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Go there and you enter into your email list or you enter your email into the little thing on the website and you're good to go. And that'll be it. So we really appreciate your support and hope you'll consider signing up.

• 1:00:55Speaker 14

  Where's the link?

• 1:00:56Jack Murphy?

  The link will also be down in the description if you're looking for it there.

• 1:01:00Speaker 13

  And that's teamhousepodcast.kit, K-I-T, kiloindiatango.com backslash join.

• 1:01:10Speaker 07

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At The Table, the Food Allergy Podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

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  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:01:36Speaker 07

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:01:41Speaker 09

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:01:47Speaker 07

  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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• 1:03:11Speaker 07

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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• 1:04:34Speaker 08

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• 1:04:45Speaker 07

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