Stop Overexplaining

Pressure doesn’t just show up in courtrooms — it shows up in boardrooms, living rooms, and everyday conversations where the stakes feel high. In this episode, I’m sharing the exact framework I use to prepare witnesses before they ever take the stand so they can stay calm, clear, and confident when the heat is on. You’ll learn how to slow the moment down, control the pace of any conversation, and avoid the mistakes that make people crumble under pressure. If you’ve ever felt flustered, defensive, or overwhelmed in a tough conversation, this episode will help you become pressure proof. Order The Next Conversation Workbook: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/workbook Thank you to our sponsors: Cozy Earth. Upgrade Your Every Day. Get 20% off at cozyearth.com/jefferson or use code JEFFERSON at check out. Notion. Try Custom Agents now at https://notion.com/jefferson Butcher Box. $20 off your first box and free shipping at https://butcherbox.com/jefferson BetterHelp. Click https://betterhelp.com/jeffersonfisher for a discount on your first month of therapy. Order my new book, The Next Conversation, or listen to the full audiobook today. Like what you hear? Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a 5-star review! Suggest a topic or ask a question for me to answer on the show! Want a FREE communication tip each week? Click here to join my newsletter. Join My School of Communication Watch my podcast on YouTube Follow me on Instagram Follow me on TikTok Follow me on LinkedIn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Jefferson Fisher?

  I can't tell you how many times I've seen a confident business professional, an executive, a CEO, a manager, a president of a corporation, and they get on the stand and they look like they are dripped in a million dollars. And as soon as they get into questioning, not question 10, they just unravel. They can't stand being questioned. They can't take the pressure. If you're somebody who's ever been on the stand before, has been in a position where you felt like you were even being cross-examined and nothing related to a deposition or anything legal coming up, you need to be pressure-proof. What I'm going to teach you today are some secrets that I use to prepare every single one of my witnesses before they go on the stand. These are things that you have to know,

• 1:15Jefferson Fisher?

  whether or not you're in the legal world or just in the everyday world, from the boardroom to the living room, is what you need to know. How to handle pressure when it matters. Ready? Let's go. Welcome to the Jefferson Fisher Podcast, where I'm on a mission to make your next conversation the one that changes everything. If you enjoy learning tips to improve your communication, I'm going to ask that wherever you are listening, you find the button that says subscribe and click it. And my promise to you in exchange is that if you listen to these episodes, I will make you a better communicator. And when your communication is good, life is much better. I am also pleased to announce that the next conversation workbook is officially out for pre-sale. You can find a link down in the show notes. There, it's something I'm very excited about.

• 2:00Jefferson Fisher?

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• 2:14Jefferson Fisher?

  It really matters what you go to bed in. There's some people who, like me, you may not wear that much. Some people like to wear a pajama set. I gave my mom a set of pajamas from Cozy Earth. They're like made out of this bamboo material and my mom cannot get enough of it. I know she's ordered some and ordered some for her friends. So if you are like me and you like to wear cozy things around the house, or even I like hoodies and sweatshirts. Cozy Earth makes some of the best stuff. Premium products, stuff I always stand by and I like to stand by because it feels good. You can go to cozyearth.com/jefferson. Use the code Jefferson to get up to 20% off. And now let's keep going. One time I was defending what my client was the president of a corporation.

• 2:57Jefferson Fisher?

  And they were probably in four different states. And I go up to his office. It's right by the water. He's points out to me as soon as I get into his office, like that's one of his yachts. That's there in the marina. Just all the things that he could do to show like, hey, I know what I'm doing. I'm Mr. Big Stuff. Everything he's wearing is like fancy couture, just dripping labels. All right. And I was like, okay, I get it. I can see this kind of personality in my, in my mind, and I know what I'm walking into. Sit down with him and I pull out my briefcase and I'm started going through files and papers. And he kind of was sitting around like, ah, this is, this is nothing. They got this. He's never taken a deposition before, by the way.

• 3:39Jefferson Fisher?

  And so here he is thinking that he's gonna just get it, no problem. As I go through the documents, I always do this thing where I put on the personality of the other attorney so that we can kind of role play it. In other words, so you give, give them a taste of what it is. So I'm, I'm kind and I'm nice. And then I go into this mode of, Mr. Williams, isn't it true that you, you looked at that file that day, yes? And as soon as he starts a hem and a haul and kind of try and weasel around it. I'll say, Mr. Williams, my question is this. And I get really short and I get, I act like I get blustered and I start to raise my voice and I start to get really down on him.

• 4:23Jefferson Fisher?

  And I mean, it didn't take him any time at all before he was just, and he couldn't even get his words out. We weren't even in the deposition. This was day one of prep. Usually I take three days.

• 4:37Jefferson Fisher?

  It doesn't matter how much of an ego you think somebody has. When the pressure is on, if you're not ready, everybody will melt. Everybody turns to putty because you're not used to that pressure. When the lights are on and you have the pulse in you and you feel that adrenaline, two things are going to happen. One, you're either going to maintain and soar in it and persevere through it and come out on top, or it's just going to crumble you. It's just going to crumble you. We were watching the Olympics last night, it's here and I, and there was a figure skater. They were doing the couples where it's a man and woman and they do the routine. And I forget what team it was, it doesn't matter. But they were supposed to do a turn at the same time.

• 5:22Jefferson Fisher?

  And you know that they've done these routines a million times, a million times. And when it was time to come, the guy did the triple axel or whatever, and the woman didn't. And it was just because she just, her brain just didn't compute. The pressure, Olympic pressure is a totally different. And I'm not saying at all, I'm trying to compare what I'm trying to teach to Olympic size pressure of the entire globe watching you. That's not at all what I'm saying. My point is, you don't know what it's like until you know what it's like. And when you're in the hot seat, no matter what, if it's litigation, or you just feel like you're in a workplace where somebody is always pushing on you, you have to be ready for that pressure.

• 6:05Jefferson Fisher?

  And I'm going to teach you these three steps that I go through with every single one of my clients. That's going to make sure that you are pressure proof. You ready? Number one, your first word is your breath. You've heard me talk about this many times and I will always talk about it because it is always worth repeating, even for myself. And I talk about it a lot. Before you respond to the question that somebody gives you, take a breath. All right, not just any kind of breath, I call it a conversational breath. This is based on a physiological sigh. And it is two seconds in through your nose. One more at the top, then out through your nose, about three to four seconds.

• 6:45Jefferson Fisher?

  All right, just in that moment, you've already re-centered yourself. Probably if you did it with me,

• 6:53Jefferson Fisher?

  you're sensing that your shoulders are starting to drop a little bit and your fingers maybe have unclenched in your hand or your fist. And you can sense that you're more sharper in your thoughts than you were before you ever started thinking about your breathing. It works for a reason and the physiology of it, I'm not going to delve into on this podcast, but what you need to know is so many times there are people who as soon as they are under pressure, they want to talk fast.

• 7:25Jefferson Fisher?

  Fast, fast, as fast as they can. When somebody asks them a question, one of the worst things they can do is to try and answer immediately and give all the information at once. That is a recipe for disaster. Before we keep going, I want to take a moment to tell you about Notion. I've been using Notion probably for about three to four years and they have come out with this tool that changes everything really. It's called the custom agents tool. And what it is, is like these AI-powered things within Notion in this connected workspace that helps your team do things automatically. So rather than having to put in prompts for stuff, it runs already based on schedules and triggers.

• 8:09Jefferson Fisher?

  Because you know what eats up more time than actual work? It's all the things around the work. So one of the things that I like so much about it is like when I'm done throughout the week, it already takes my key takeaways of things that I've done, creates it into a report and then just delivers it to me without me having to say anything, which is awesome. Notion is an AI-powered connected workspace for teams. Notion brings all your notes, docs and projects into one space that just works. It's seamless, flexible, powerful and actually fun to use. And with AI built right in, you spend less time switching between tools and apps and more time creating great work. And now with Notion's new custom agents, the busy work that used to take hours or never actually happened runs itself.

• 8:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Try custom agents now at notion.com/jefferson. That's all lowercase letters, notion.com/jefferson. And now let's keep going. If you allow them to ask their question and then you just pause and you give it five seconds.

• 9:12Jefferson Fisher?

  The think, to actually think about what you're going to say, I promise you, it's going to be a million times better. It sounds so simple, and you might be thinking, Jefferson, I get it. Yeah, I need to breathe. But do you? All right, we, I talk about it all the time. Originally, when I very first started teaching clients, preparing them, I would tell them, count one Mississippi, here in the United States. In other words, if somebody was going to ask you a question, think in your head, one Mississippi, and then answer. It was at least a very early attempt of what I have now come to, a first word is your breath, meaning where your first word would be, put a breath in its place. Because I have seen

• 9:53Jefferson Fisher?

  countless times, these high-dollar executives go right into their first immediate answer, without even giving it a breath, without thinking about it. And then what happens is, after they've answered, then it's like, they have a moment to think of, okay, what did I, wait, what did I just say? Well, let me, let me answer that differently, let me, and the damage has already been done. Because they thought that quickness and speed, and just bluster was going to carry the day, rather than intentionally choosing their words in a calm, confident, controlled manner. I do not want you to say things that you

• 10:32Jefferson Fisher?

  did not think about, that you didn't think out. And if somebody was to answer you differently, because you just calmed the conversation, better things are going to happen. What I tell every one of my clients, probably more than anything, is you control the pace. Nobody can ask you questions faster than you can answer them. All right? You have control over that. So, first word is just your breath. You with me? Number two, only answer the question that is asked. Only answer the question that is asked. You might think, yeah, Jefferson, okay, breath, got it, just answer the question, got it. But do you? I cannot tell you how

• 11:14Jefferson Fisher?

  many times, I have prepared a witness, for three days. And it doesn't matter if it is the sweetest grandmother, to the highest-dollar executive, they all suffer from the same thing. And that's getting in their head, am I not saying enough?

• 11:33Jefferson Fisher?

  They think that if I say more, I am believed more. And that is not the case. It's the exact opposite, where you say so much that it almost sounds like you don't really know what you're talking about. If you suffer from over explaining, then you know what I'm talking about. It's where you just have this flood of words that just come right out of you. And then you have this kind of, uh, what's the right word for it? Like a hangover, like a communication sentence hangover where you go, what did I just say? Oh my gosh, why did I say that? Why did I share that much? Why did I do?

• 12:18Jefferson Fisher?

  And you then start beating yourself up. All right. And then, and then you're not focused on the conversation because you were just so focused on giving way more than is needed. Here's a quick test. If I were to ask you right now, hey, do you know what time it is? What's your gut answer? Let's say I was in a deposition and I need to cross examine you. Do you know what time it is? If you gave me the time and said, oh, Jefferson, it's exactly 12:37 PM Central Standard Time. I would say that's wrong. I ask, do you know what time it is? Do you know? It's a yes or a no question. So you could say, yeah, I know what time it is. See the difference? Now, if I asked you, what time is it? Could you give me the time? Yes.

• 13:04Jefferson Fisher?

  What time is it? That's when you would say, oh, it's 12:37 or whatever. That's how much you have to be thinking of. Am I answering exactly the question that is asked? Because if you don't, it's going to go everywhere. Some of my favorite memories when I am defending a witness and especially if it's a sweet woman and they get a question and all of a sudden she may start to go off on a tangent. They say, you know, um,

• 13:34Jefferson Fisher?

  I don't know. Miss Washington, did you go to the store that day? And she said, well, you know what? I don't really even know because that day my sister called me and I was even, and I'm going, oh, boy, here we go. We're going way off on a tangent, didn't even listen to the question. That happens too with people you think are more confident. The men and women who think they have it all together. Now, this applies equally to both genders, especially in the business setting. They hear questions as statements as insecurity. Meaning if I were to ask you, you didn't look at the file that day, did you? They think in their head, I have messed up.

• 14:19Jefferson Fisher?

  I am deficient. I have, it is an attack on my sense of worth in some way. Instead of answering the question, they go, well, I mean, would you be able to do it if you were? And all of a sudden they get really defensive. You might be able to recognize this in every day when you want to snap and go, well, you tell me what it's like working two jobs, having to do the dishes, having to do, and you start kind of, you know what, you should walk in my shoes, that kind of thing. Soon as you get there, that that means you've now taken my questions as a sense of a threat to your identity. And right there, you're kind of crumble under pressure.

• 15:00Jefferson Fisher?

  You're going to forget the whole purpose of of being there or why you are even in the hot seat. And more, more importantly, how to get out of it. All right, so let's, let's talk about how to get out of it. Number three, the slower you talk, the better things are going to be. Not only am I wanting you to take a breath, not only am I wanting you to only answer the question that is asked. Number three, short.

• 15:26Jefferson Fisher?

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• 16:56Jefferson Fisher?

  in every box for a year, plus $20 off when you go to butcherbox.com/jefferson. That's right, your choice of organic ground beef, chicken breast, or ground turkey in every box for an entire year, plus $20 off your first box and free shipping, as always. That's butcherbox.com/jefferson. Don't forget to use our link so that they know that we sent you. This is what I typically say, the longer your answer, the more questions you're gonna get. It's like you're giving them a menu of things to pick and choose from. Same thing when you think about that person in your life at work or at home. The longer of an explanation that you give, the more you've just like exposed yourself for them to shoot arrows at it.

• 17:41Jefferson Fisher?

  All right. So only answer the question, be as short and direct as you can be. Most importantly, think about the end. If you feel that you're getting caught up in the moment, you need to focus on what's it look like at the end of the conversation? Picture yourself shaking their hand, saying goodbye, or maybe not shaking their hand and leaving. In other words, you need to remember this is a temporary state. Life is going to continue. There are other things happening. There are people out in the world and you're about to be one of them, or they're not on the hot seat. And when you realize that the purpose of where you're at right now is, has a time and place and is not a constant,

• 18:18Jefferson Fisher?

  the better it is and the easier it is for you to get in your head of knowing that you have to be able to stand that, that pressure, that it is temporary. Same thing with any kind of pain, that bit, working out, exercising. It's same thing of talking under pressure. There are lots of people that you can think of, if you think on a global scale, that deal with a lot of pressure. And it just becomes second nature to them. And it's the same thing for you. When you feel that you're in a tight spot communicating with somebody, keep it short and sweet. That means when you text somebody, keep it to one sentence. That means when you email, if you can, keep it to three sentences.

• 18:59Jefferson Fisher?

  Usually what I say, if you can't explain it in three sentences, you need to rework it. Because if it takes longer, your message is going to simply get lost. A lot of the time, what I will tell clients is, don't do their work for them. Meaning, don't try and answer the question that you think they want to ask, or you think they're going to ask, or where you can kind of see where they're going, so you kind of step on their question and start talking. No, no, no, that's not what you want. All right. Make them do their work. If they have a question, they will ask. I say this often, instead of a waterfall, be a well. In other words, let them draw that information, the information that they need. Don't try and curate, say, "Oh, this is where you're going."

• 19:44Jefferson Fisher?

  Well, let me give you all the information that I possibly can have. Don't throw the book at somebody, all right? Let them ask specifically where you've had highlighted, all right? That way, you can feel yourself way more grounded and rather than feeling like, "I have to give you all the information, like this is some kind of test or some kind of quiz." It's not that. When times of pressure, it is very surgical of allowing them to ask questions. You're going to be calm and confident, using breath, being short, only answering the question that is asked to make sure that at the end of it, you are pressure-proof. You are the type of person that they're going to end the conversation going, "Okay, this is somebody who knows what they're doing. This is somebody who's in control. This is somebody who's confident." And that's where you want to be.

• 20:29Jefferson Fisher?

  If you've ever had any questions about times that you've been under tension or pressure and you're not sure how to handle it, and I haven't covered here, I want you to put it down wherever you're listening and you have a place to leave comments, whether that's my email newsletter, which you can reply to, or down on YouTube, or wherever you're listening. That way, I have a good gauge of saying, "Okay, I've addressed some of these points, and if this is a big concern, let me address that there." Because pressure is a topic that surrounds any category, right? And what I'm trying to do here is make sure that when you go into that high-pressure situation, that high-pressured conversation, that you feel like you have the confidence and the grip on it. That's a good word.

• 21:11Jefferson Fisher?

  The grip on a conversation where you feel like, "No, I have a good hold of this. I'm not trying to prove something. I'm not trying to make it sound like I know more than I do. I'm not trying to be somebody I'm not. I'm not trying to show my insecurity by over-explaining and getting blustered." You are just in the pocket is the best way that I can explain it. You might have heard me use this phrase. I love the idea of just being in the pocket, meaning you're not trying to be too fast and you're not trying to be too slow. You're not rushing, you're not... Lagging behind. It's like a music metaphor. I drum. Maybe others are listening. You drum. You're listening to a band. Everybody's just in sync, in the same groove. Somebody's not rushing or slowing everybody down.

• 21:56Jefferson Fisher?

  You're just exactly right where you need to be. So to sum it up, number one, your first word is your breath. I want you to slow things down. Two, only answer the question that is asked. Don't try and invent different things. Don't try and assume to know where they're going. Only answer the question that is asked. And three, think of the end. Short sentences, to the point, direct. Think of the end. Meaning if you want to end the conversation with a smile on your face, think about that smile. If you want to end the conversation feeling how confident I am, then you need to think of that confidence. Wherever you are, let the end of it be your beginning. And that's how to be pressure proof. As always, you can try that and follow me.

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