The Snack: Texas Dildo Bill + What Influencers Owe Their Followers

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: Breakups: Sydney Sweeney, Mark Cuevas (who?), Becca Moore Sydney Sweeney and Glen Powell rumors Texas dildo bill (plus other wild sex laws) Remi Bader's weight loss reveal Chappell Roan's comments about having children Quick headlines (Morgan Wallen, Rachel Leviss, Justin Bieber) Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Revolve: Get 15% your first order at https://revolve.com/GGE with code GGE. Cornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order at https://cornbreadhemp.com/GGE with code GGE. Booking.com: Win $1000 of Booking.com travel credit by entering their sweepstakes on Instagram @bookingcom. Addyi: Learn more at https://addyi.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Welcome to The Snack, a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This is a Dear Media production. Enjoy.

• 0:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi.

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what? We just want to start this. We do have kind of a sad announcement.

• 0:18Rayna Greenberg?

  What's happening?

• 0:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  That today will be the last episode of The Snack.

• 0:23Rayna Greenberg?

  It's not April Fools anymore.

• 0:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Days after April.

• 0:26Rayna Greenberg?

  We're recording on April Fools. You've been trying to get me all morning. Other people have been trying to get me. The internet's been trying to get me. I saw that Air One was opening up in New York City. I almost went back.

• 0:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  So it's confirmed? That's a... But why wouldn't it? That's believable news.

• 0:44Rayna Greenberg?

  You can't drop news on April 1st. You just can't.

• 0:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so true.

• 0:47Rayna Greenberg?

  People just... They know you're messing.

• 0:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  And we've talked about this over the years, but I grew up, like, April Fools. Like, my mom would always get me when I would come downstairs. She'd be like, "Oh, my God, your hair is green." Like, little dumb stuff when I was a kid. And then I really got into it, especially in college. Like, you know, I told... I said this before. I convinced my whole family that I had left college early and was going out to see this guy in Key West. My mom was calling all of our family members.

• 1:11Rayna Greenberg?

  What?

• 1:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  She was... You know, I've told the story.

• 1:13Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 1:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  I met this guy in spring break, and then I was like, "Let's convince my mom that I've, like, left school before finals and I'm going down to be with Jay in Key West." And she was calling my aunt in Miami. Like, my mom was going crazy. So... Because I just decided not to answer my phone and have her get a little skeptical. And she called our apartment landline. We had a landline in college, guys. That's how old I am. And I forget which roommate. I think it might have been Stephanie or Kat, like, picked up the phone and was then, like, kind of covered the receiver and was like, "Guys, it's Ashley's mom. What should I tell her?"

• 1:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, really played it up? This is crazy. You went wide.

• 1:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I... I swear I've told you. Someone in the comments is gonna be like, "Raina, we know this story."

• 1:56Rayna Greenberg?

  We always be talking. We just... We talk a lot.

• 1:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Let's talk about our partners.

• 1:59Rayna Greenberg?

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• 2:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  They've taken to Revolve, I bet, April Fools.

• 2:10Rayna Greenberg?

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• 2:17Rayna Greenberg?

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• 2:25Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 2:25Rayna Greenberg?

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• 2:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 2:33Rayna Greenberg?

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• 2:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, we love all of our partners.

• 2:37Rayna Greenberg?

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• 2:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to booking.com. Yes, I will be singing again today. Win $1,000 of booking.com travel credit by entering their sweepstakes on Instagram. At bookingcom is their handle. And Addie, learn more at addyi.com.

• 3:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Lots to talk about today.

• 3:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Let's just kick it off with a breakup report. We love a breakup report.

• 3:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 3:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, of course, our condolences to anyone affected, but we

• 3:10Rayna Greenberg?

  We love to see you all failing in your relationships.

• 3:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  When we, when we're working on our breakup report and we figure out that third one, because I like to have three things in a report. Sometimes we'll do two.

• 3:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Otherwise, it's just, we'd be talking.

• 3:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's just two things. Yeah. Here's two things. So we do have a trifecta today. You want to kick it off?

• 3:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Sydney Sweeney calls off her wedding and then a couple of days later then confirmed that they had broken up. Because this was new news again today.

• 3:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  So she kind of soft launched the breakup with the wedding postponement?

• 3:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 3:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, that, that, okay. And then was like, haha, we're broken. Like, why not just? Do you think she just wanted to slow roll it out?

• 3:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I mean, I guess it would be like less, postponing your wedding, I guess it's interesting to me, but it's not as big of news as like a breakup. But in between those two things breaking, she was spotted in Dallas with Glenn Powell. So maybe she was just like, I can't make it seem like I went to a wedding for Glenn Powell, which we will get to, and also I still might be with my fiance.

• 4:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  But she wasn't romantically hanging out with Glenn Powell, right?

• 4:10Rayna Greenberg?

  No. So basically, it was his sister's wedding.

• 4:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 4:12Rayna Greenberg?

  She went down there. Allegedly, she had RSVP'd months in advance

• 4:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 4:16Rayna Greenberg?

  to the wedding. It's in Texas. She went with her best friend. And that they were like spotted together in Texas and it's like, yeah, they're at his sister's wedding.

• 4:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, not his date. Did he have a date to the wedding?

• 4:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Unsubstantiated, not sure.

• 4:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  So like, do you think she was like, you know, weddings make people feel some type of way? You know, you, you don't want to go to a wedding with someone you don't want to be with.

• 4:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 4:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause it makes you feel a lot of things. You think she was like, I can't be at that wedding with Glenn there with this man I don't want to be with. Like, do you think, I wonder if the wedding kind of was the catalyst?

• 4:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it seems like it was the catalyst because she then followed up with like another story. I gotta tell you, I'll be totally honest, I find these two celebrities, and I love them and I wish them luck, no one interests me less. I just don't care about them. They're not spicy or interesting in any way. I mean, I, I love that she's like my huge booby girl. Like, you know, like we used to have a sisterhood back when my boobs were that big.

• 5:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, they're not interesting celebs to me. I'm just like, people, I mean, this is the biggest news ever. I just, I don't care about them that much.

• 5:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think they're just like traditionally hot.

• 5:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Two hot people.

• 5:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  In more ways than one, they're super hot right now in the scene in Hollywood. Like, I, I guess that's just it. They're just like the two young hot stars that people are shipping. But yeah, I'm not especially interested.

• 5:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 5:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  But men across the world are rejoicing and I just love some of these comment sections. Like our friend Rob sent me one. He also said she was from Spokane, which I didn't, I didn't know. Is she a Washington girlie? And the comment section of this one post is just so funny because it's like, this happened after I texted her sup. And she, like, she's actually with me, huge news for me, just a bunch of guys, rumor has it, she's still in love with me. And then someone, don't worry, guys, I heard Sydney Sweeney is gonna start dating someone who comments on this post. You know, like, the guys in the comments are just so horny for the breakup. But, you know, we wish them well, her and Glenn.

• 6:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, they're just, they're not that spicy, but I wish them well and, you know, I hope they're happy.

• 6:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Tessa, you ship Glenn and, right? Like?

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's like life imitates art with anyone but you. They go to the wedding. Like, it's like, I think that's the big thing is like, it's the plot of the movie. And then like everyone was like, it was a PR relationship.

• 6:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  The worst movie I've ever seen.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  A year and a half ago, whenever it came out. So I think that's why there's like more of the hype around it too.

• 6:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  It's just a fun thing to ship, I think.

• 6:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Who knew who her ex even was? I didn't.

• 6:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Nobody knows who that guy is.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  I'm sure his, his market value's gone up though. Sydney Sweeney's ex, he's getting some pussy.

• 6:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I will tell you, I would hate to follow that.

• 6:43Rayna Greenberg?

  No. Like, you know what I can't stop thinking about? Well, we were gonna talk about it later, but I'll bring it up now. So Craig and Paige. Craig Conover of Southern Charm, if you guys live under the rock, Iraq. Him and Paige DeSorbo broke up. And he announced on Watch What Happens Live, he is dating somebody exclusively now.

• 6:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 6:58Rayna Greenberg?

  And her name is Natalie Buffett. And I gotta tell, I, I wish them the best. I would hate to follow Paige DeSorbo.

• 7:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I don't know anything about this girl. And again, I wish her and Craig well, but I would, I couldn't follow. How could I ever live up to how she dresses, how cool she is?

• 7:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she's funny, all the things.

• 7:16Rayna Greenberg?

  All of that, so successful, so cool. I just, I would hate to try to live up to it.

• 7:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Okay. Well, next we have Love is Blind. Mark from Love is Blind, Mark Cuevas, who was season one.

• 7:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Season one with Jessica.

• 7:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  With Jessica. We have been Team Jessica since the jump. We are on the right side of history.

• 7:35Rayna Greenberg?

  This is the most we've ever been on the right side of history. Everybody hated on her and we were like, we see through this.

• 7:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and she's thriving, she's married. Now she's as hot, what, doctor husband?

• 7:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Yup.

• 7:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Anyway, I didn't even say the news, but, Rina, you wanna deliver the news?

• 7:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, so basically, Mark Anthony Cuevas.

• 7:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mark Anthony?

• 7:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  What, like J Lo's husband?

• 8:00Rayna Greenberg?

  It's Mark with a K.

• 8:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, right.

• 8:02Rayna Greenberg?

  It looks weird with a K, but anyways. Mark Anthony afterwards, he did get married to a girl and they had two kids. And then he posts this week on Instagram, black square, white writing. Hey, everyone. After a lot of thought and conversations.

• 8:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Dear Father God.

• 8:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Aubrey and I have decided to part ways a few weeks ago. This wasn't an easy decision. We both believe this is the best path forward for our individual growth and our family. Our top priority is our boys. He goes on and on. He uses we statements a lot. We are gonna begin a next chapter. We kindly ask for your understanding. We truly appreciate your support. So, we, we, we, it is filled with we's. She comments on it right at the top. This is news to me, lol.

• 8:45Rayna Greenberg?

  What?

• 8:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  What? Yeah.

• 8:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I, this might be the quickest comment section I have ever run to in my life.

• 8:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 8:52Rayna Greenberg?

  She just didn't know.

• 8:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Come on.

• 8:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, what?

• 8:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I wonder if she meant, like, posting this?

• 9:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, this statement is news to me.

• 9:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, I gotta tell you what.

• 9:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  So was she come out at all?

• 9:08Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I mean, she just said this is news to me. The comment section's hysterical.

• 9:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  We should have ranked the worst short kings last week in honor of Short King Spring, because he would be on that list. He's a little shit.

• 9:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Izzy, Izzy from Love is Blind?

• 9:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes!

• 9:21Rayna Greenberg?

  How could you just Love is Blind?

• 9:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Short kings.

• 9:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, like Izzy and Mark battling it out for worst short king of Love is Blind?

• 9:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Mark's like, at least I have plates. Can you see them in a roast battle?

• 9:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Can I tell you what's so funny about this? I just, I clocked it right away, because I make a lot of our Instagram stories, and he posted it and like centered it, but it's off-center.

• 9:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 9:52Rayna Greenberg?

  And I would be like, this guy can't do anything right. He's so stupid.

• 9:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 9:55Rayna Greenberg?

  He can't even center a caption.

• 9:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, what does he care?

• 9:57Rayna Greenberg?

  That is so crazy to post something like that. And also, the way he posted, I like the people in the comments being like, "You're not that famous. You didn't have to make a statement like this."

• 10:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, like, people wouldn't even know who that was. If you said Marc Anthony Cuevas, people would be like, literally who?

• 10:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Not one person would be like, I know who that is.

• 10:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly.

• 10:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Maybe his mom.

• 10:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, the only way you would know him is if you tagged his name onto Jessica.

• 10:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 10:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jessica's still a queen.

• 10:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Our season one queen.

• 10:21Rayna Greenberg?

  So a lot of people were like, you didn't need to post this like a PR statement.

• 10:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, nobody cares. That's so true.

• 10:26Rayna Greenberg?

  No one cares.

• 10:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Send this to your friends and family.

• 10:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Send it to your wife.

• 10:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Okay, and then we just have one more, and this is Becca Moore and Shannon Beveridge. We're not gonna say too much. She's been on the show, and we loved Becca. This was probably six months to a year ago. And she shared her whole story of getting together with Shannon, and it's been kind of drama-filled, this breakup. And some people have come out and been like, she was never gay, you know, because she didn't date women before Shannon, and she was...

• 10:59Rayna Greenberg?

  It was her first relationship with a woman.

• 11:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Her first relationship with a woman, but now there's this storyline.

• 11:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, people, so she, Tessa said, like, do you want to talk about this breakup? And I was like, I've been knowing about this breakup for months.

• 11:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, yeah.

• 11:10Rayna Greenberg?

  So she released a statement.

• 11:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  She just released her podcast about it, the whole story, yeah.

• 11:14Rayna Greenberg?

  And the two of them were really cute. They used to like podcast together. They do a lot of stories together and she's just very open and honest about her life. Whatever's going on, she's gonna put the story out. And she put out a story, I want to say like a couple of months ago, saying that basically Shannon wanted to have like biological children together and that she didn't want to do that with a woman. And people really attacked her on the internet. People made a lot of videos about it. People certainly had feelings and I don't blame them.

• 11:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  So then, basically now she has come out and say, and said that she basically just offered up that excuse as a reason for their breakup because she was scared that the internet would make up narratives about their relationship. And then Shannon's team agreed. So they kind of decided that would be the reason for the breakup. And she says after the breakup video was posted, they continued dating for about a month and then Shannon ultimately ghosted her. I mean, I don't, again, we, we just wanted to throw it into the mix because she's a former guest. And if you guys don't know, Mecca Moore is an influencer. She's really great. I love her content and we loved our conversation with her. And again, like Raina said, super open about her life. But this is just one of those things where, I mean, it's not Blake and Justin, but it's like you hear one side, you're on one side, you hear the other side.

• 12:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  You never, you don't know really what's going on.

• 12:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, it was interesting because I was reading the comments on her post and a lot of the people that made like reaction videos to the first breakup apologized to her. And they were like, I didn't know this would bother you or I didn't know this would sit with you so much. It's like, well, you made a reaction video about me.

• 12:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 12:40Rayna Greenberg?

  So interesting to walk it back now.

• 12:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Yeah, that is, it's all really interesting. And I want to always like tread lightly on the whole like she was never gay thing. Like, I mean, a lot of people are, are bi, they're, they're fluid. I don't think you're like, I'm straight, but I'm gonna date this woman for, for what reason? Like, I don't know, like, why, why does it have to be? Some sort of insidious rea- like, I don't understand that attack, I guess. And I'm not saying that's coming from the whole of the LGBT community, but there is that discourse. And it's like, but she was in love with Shannon and, you know, had, was in a relationship with her, was intimate with her, then that makes her bi? I don't know. It's just, that's an interesting critique.

• 13:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I think that-

• 13:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  What's the, what are you trying to say? What's the motive there?

• 13:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, the initial breakup conversation was her saying essentially she didn't want to have kids with a woman.

• 13:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 13:30Rayna Greenberg?

  And she had never really processed this. That's why people came out.

• 13:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's why people came out. Okay, I see. Which now she's kind of like, that was just a story we made up? I mean, that's, why, I wouldn't have done that either.

• 13:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 13:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Why couldn't it just been people break up?

• 13:42Rayna Greenberg?

  I think when you're young and you have a microphone.

• 13:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  But why, but like, I guess I'm just asking, maybe I'm missing something. Why can't it just be that like, relationships run their course and?

• 13:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. And it was a little convoluted.

• 13:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Rayna Greenberg?

  And it does sound like in the end Shannon's behavior was like a little, from back a little toxic, or she didn't like how it was going and she didn't want to like embarrass her, so she embarrassed herself?

• 14:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. I also just, people are allowed to, to break up and not offer all the ins and outs of the thing. It's just like, it comes down to-

• 14:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I do it all the time.

• 14:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Paige and Craig too, you know? Paige is like, let's keep it top level. Relationships don't work out. And now slowly Craig's starting to be like this and that. And then you're seeing more play out on Summer House of her issues with him, whatever. I'm just, I'm saying you're, you're allowed to keep it vague. You're allowed to be like, this didn't work out. Sorry, everybody.

• 14:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Right. I've never heard somebody make up a story and then walk it back.

• 14:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, I know. That's interesting.

• 14:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Alright.

• 14:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Let's move on to Texas.

• 14:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 14:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Y'all have been really asking us to talk about this. This is the Texas dildo bill.

• 14:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, tell me what the law is.

• 15:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so, things like this have always been swirling around in certain red states, but now Texas is introducing a bill to require photo ID to buy sex toys online, calling them obscene devices. Obscene devices, I can't. We will be dropping our obscene device collection on vibes only. We're gonna do free expedited shipping to Texas only.

• 15:23Rayna Greenberg?

  If they were gonna do it in any state, it was gonna be Texas?

• 15:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 15:27Rayna Greenberg?

  There is a law in Texas already that in Texas, the possession of more than six dildos is prohibited.

• 15:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've always known that, which would be coming into your house and trying to find them.

• 15:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, all these laws are very funny, and if you Google, and I won't go through all them, but if you Google like ridiculous outdated sex laws, I mean, you'll see hundreds of them.

• 15:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally, like weird sodomy stuff. And it's, again, like, we can joke about it, but it's just total nonsense. It's targeted at women and their pleasure. If Texas and other deep red states could ban women having sex for pleasure, they would. You know, like, it's just all really gross. And it's just crazy, because it's like, you can always masturbate. Have you guys ever heard of fingers? Like, what are you gonna, you're trying to stop people from masturbating? And, I mean, I'll just like go on a rant for a minute. Like, Texas has other things to focus on. Like, their lawmakers need to focus on the fact that they are 41 out of 50 states in education, 49th in overall healthcare, 49th in access to healthcare, 49th in women's health, 44th in child health, and 49th in mental health. Maybe I should focus on some other things besides vibrators.

• 16:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I don't understand, like, what this is based on, other than what you said, women's pleasure. I mean, why should you not be allowed to own one?

• 16:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's, again, it's, exactly. Like, it's because it's in the same category as like porn. Like, that's why they're trying to require age restriction, which also is reading this article that those don't work. You know, age restrictions on buying devices. What do you, how, you know?

• 16:54Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, it's not that enforceable either. And like, well, if I buy it in another state and bring it into the state...

• 17:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you buy a dildo underage.

• 17:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Who's enforcing that?

• 17:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, you bring it to Texas.

• 17:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Like it's a gun?

• 17:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's just, I mean, again, don't get me started on guns. Like it's literally easier to buy a gun in Texas than a vibrator. That's what they're trying to make it. Yeah. So it's just focus on other stuff. It's, it's an insult. It's an insult to the people of Texas that this is what any lawmaker is spending their time on.

• 17:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Also that, yes. It just, it feels like, what's the point of this? Why are we regulating this? The, at the end of the day, all it's gonna do is give people orgasms. So who cares? What harm is this causing?

• 17:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. And it's just like, then they're gonna do other stuff. And it's just like, I swear, they want just like, young people to get knocked up and it be forced to have the kids and not get an education. And that's how you continue the cycle of poverty. So they're like, if they can't masturbate, maybe they'll just need to fuck people instead.

• 17:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Do other stuff.

• 17:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 17:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, so much, so much bad stuff has happened from, obviously guns, drugs, alcohol. Like, there's so many things to regulate before this. Crazy.

• 18:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Understatement.

• 18:05Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. So I'm gonna read you a couple others.

• 18:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 18:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, oral sex is illegal in 18 states.

• 18:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  We are felons. In how many, so I wanna know how many states I've had that had, had oral sex, had oral sex performed.

• 18:19Rayna Greenberg?

  A lot of these, by the way, are misdemeanors. Like, you're not gonna go to jail for sucking a dick. You'll just get a ticket.

• 18:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  A dick it.

• 18:29Rayna Greenberg?

  In Florida, it is illegal to have sex with a porcupine. How many times did that happen before they were like, make a law?

• 18:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shit. Have I done this?

• 18:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Sexual intercourse between unmarried couples is illegal in Georgia.

• 18:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Georgia?

• 18:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I saw this on a lot of sites.

• 18:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I've had so.

• 18:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, don't tell me.

• 18:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  10 years.

• 18:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Can you retroactively go to jail?

• 18:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of, of sex on a wedlock I had in Georgia. And a lot of oral sex. And I fucked a porcupine, but it's legal there.

• 18:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Can you retroactively go to jail for that? Come and get me. Okay. Engaging in any sexual position other than missionary is illegal in Washington DC.

• 19:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just reading a no. Where'd you get this?

• 19:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I cross referenced this from a bunch of websites. That's, this I saw on a bunch.

• 19:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  You can't do doggy in DC.

• 19:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, that's it. Listen, I didn't like read the constitution or anything, but like.

• 19:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Look it up. Okay, here's one that I also saw on a lot of websites. It is illegal in Utah to marry your first cousin before the age of 65. 66, you can marry.

• 19:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're like, you're senile. Have at it. You don't even know that's your cousin anymore.

• 19:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and then the last.

• 19:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Utah also just, none of this is gonna surprise me in Utah. Also, come see me in Salt Lake, you guys.

• 19:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Here's the last one. I mean, I could do this all day, but here's the last one I'll do. In South Carolina, a false promise of marriage can land you in jail.

• 19:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God, all these fuckboys.

• 19:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Promising someone you'll marry them with no intention to follow through.

• 19:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love this one.

• 19:57Rayna Greenberg?

  It's called the seduction under promise of marriage.

• 20:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Am I Republican? Because I think we need to put this in more states. Leading people on is a crime.

• 20:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Imagine if you got led on by a guy and then you could get them arrested.

• 20:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Guess who's going straight to jail? Grant from The Bachelor. Grant Ellis, he basically like promised Latia he was gonna marry her. And then shows the other one.

• 20:26Rayna Greenberg?

  He's going to jail?

• 20:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you imagine?

• 20:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I imagine you right now. I'm turned on by it. Anyways, these are funny. You guys should Google them. There's a lot.

• 20:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my gosh. Don't come for us on the fact checking.

• 20:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I'd never said.

• 20:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I believe you.

• 20:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I never said I was a lawyer.

• 20:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  The missionary one is getting me, though. You're on top in DC. You're like, it's illegal. That's so much hotter.

• 20:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, I like that you're like, the porcupine thing sounds true.

• 20:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I'm assuming there's a lot of animals you can't fuck. Also, I'm sorry, if you're trying to fuck a porcupine, you're like really deranged. Like, you're gonna, you're dangerous.

• 21:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 21:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're too dangerous to society. That's a weird animal to want to fuck, because the spikes.

• 21:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, obviously.

• 21:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll do one last one. It's illegal to seduce and debauch an unmarried woman in Michigan.

• 21:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Debauch?

• 21:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Debauch.

• 21:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  What does that mean?

• 21:17Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a seduce and debauch law. I don't know.

• 21:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  What does debauch mean? Like debauchery?

• 21:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Debauchery.

• 21:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like run around and get drunk?

• 21:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we've got to move on.

• 21:29Rayna Greenberg?

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• 21:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't believe this is happening. I can't, this is my whole closet, 90% of it, yours too. This is everything I'm wearing today. These are LPA pants. I love this brand, LPA, and ALC shirt. I have that shirt that you're wearing.

• 21:51Rayna Greenberg?

  My shirt's Super Down. I get a lot of shirts from Super Down, especially for recording, because we just need like a lot of like cute comfy tops.

• 21:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  And those are Citizen jeans. Citizen jeans. I have Citizen jeans from Revolve also. It's just, it's all we wear. It's, I mean, it's crazy. Like, Tessa can tell you, the amount of Revolve boxes she's had to deal with. I mean, it's all of our show clothes, everything I've probably worn on stage over the years.

• 22:11Rayna Greenberg?

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• 22:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sorry, yeah.

• 22:13Rayna Greenberg?

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• 22:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love Amanda Uprichard. I just bought this set.

• 22:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Their shipping is so fast. Their customer support is the best probably I've ever dealt with in my life.

• 22:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  The most pro customer company.

• 22:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 22:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  The most.

• 22:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Returns are so easy if you don't like something.

• 22:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  The labels in the box.

• 22:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Labels in the box. I mean, they have thought of literally everything in this company. And then my favorite thing they do is you can shop different collections. So, every summer, I do like their summer collections. If I'm going to a wedding, the wedding collections, holiday collections. And it's festival season coming up, so if you guys are going to Coachella or Stagecoach, it is the perfect time to go on Revolve and shop the festival shops. So, they just curate all of these shops for you. They make it super easy to see like what the girlies are wearing, what's hot right now.

• 23:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I open their emails, because I'm like, what's hot? Because sometimes some of those, the hot things that are spotlighted, go quick. But it doesn't matter, because there's a million other things on the, like, it's just, it's everything. I mean, and I've, we've been posting about them for years. It's like just truly everything that we wear, in, from jeans, loungewear, up to like show outfits. Like, they have it all. You have your evening gowns, I mean, anything for a wedding.

• 23:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Everything for flash shows.

• 23:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think everything I've ever worn to a wedding. Wedding, that green dress I wore to Andrew Collins wedding, like, there's probably nothing you can even look on my Instagram and see that's not from Revolve. It's true. I can't, I'm just so excited. They're a partner and like, truly like Raina and I get so mad about companies that are fail anti customer that make it really difficult for you to get in touch with somebody, to make a return, that have super slow shipping, work with like weirdo shipping providers, you know, like, everything is just so easy. And so, okay, I need to stop. I need to rent it in.

• 24:01Rayna Greenberg?

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• 24:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, anything, any size.

• 24:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Any size, tons of colors. And if they're ever out of something, at the bottom of the page says shop similar items. They give you a hundred items.

• 24:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, some of the things I bought are in the shop similar items bucket, you know? Yeah, I'm like, they know what I like.

• 24:24Rayna Greenberg?

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• 24:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. And like Raina said, go to that link and you'll see some of the stuff that we've bought recently and that we're wearing recently. And maybe we'll like add some more to it. And it's just like really fun to see. And just get on it, guys. Thank you, Revolve. We love you.

• 25:02Rayna Greenberg?

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• 25:45Rayna Greenberg?

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• 26:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we have some juicy stuff to talk about today.

• 26:09Rayna Greenberg?

  A lot happened this week, a lot of like larger kind of philosophical discussions.

• 26:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my god, not philosophical.

• 26:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're talking about like the Kardashians and influencers. Randy's like, it's very philosophical. Well, we like to talk about this stuff and like what, stuff that prompts a deeper conversation is what you mean, yeah.

• 26:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, and so you know, we will do like headlines and then we like to pick a few things to talk a lot about. So after almost a year of speculation, Remy Bader has finally like dropped the interview where she is talking about her weight loss. She did that on Khloe Kardashian's podcast and it's caused, of course, a lot of discourse and conversation on the internet.

• 26:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so if you guys don't know who she is, she is a plus size influencer. She kind of, I think she got popular during COVID and she would try different looks on and you know, how they would fit her. And she's been in the spotlight. She has been larger and plus size and has kind of built her, her brand on that. But we'll kind of talk about how that was never really her goal and she's always really struggled with her weight. And didn't really sign up to be the picture of body positivity, I guess. But um, yeah, so she lost about 150 pounds over the course of the last year. And of course, everyone's like, what is going on? This is not, can't be Ozempic, you know, like, and she had bitten on Ozempic before.

• 27:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so she's just like shrinking and looks like a totally different person and didn't. Reveal that she got the surgery until she went on this podcast.

• 27:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Right. So she got the surgery in December of 2023.

• 27:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 27:43Rayna Greenberg?

  So quite a long time ago, she underwent a new procedure called S A D I S, which she describes as a cross between gastric sleeve and gastric bypass. She said that the recovery was extremely painful and traumatic, which of course to lose 150 pounds.

• 27:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Should have been also.

• 27:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure.

• 27:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 28:00Rayna Greenberg?

  And people have speculated for a long time. I mean, she was sort of like the beacon of plus size girlies that still dressed really fashionable and seemed really confident and made all these videos. As she started losing weight, of course, the comments started right away. And this is in the age of Ozempic also, where, you know, everybody demands that influencers be honest about what they're on, what they've done to their bodies. And she has refused to address it and oftentimes in a way that I would, that has been digested as not very nice, a little antagonistic, instigative. She blocks people. She makes response videos. Her thing has just sort of been, I don't owe you information about my body.

• 28:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, she used to share a lot more. And so her story, you know, I'm going to remove kind of, I don't know her personally. We didn't know a lot about her. We have friends that are friends with her. You know, whatever, whether I like her or not, whether, whatever, it doesn't really matter. It's kind of irrelevant to the conversation. Like, I'm just going to kind of speak in the way that she comes across is she's really struggled with her weight always. She has tried Ozempic, Monjaro, I think, too. Like, she's been to like treatment centers. She's, and she talks about this in the podcast. She went to Overeaters Anonymous. Like, she has talked about how she's unhealthy, how she has back problems, how she has knee problems. I mean, she's been really open about, I'm struggling with my weight, which should lead you to think, I don't want to be this way.

• 29:16Rayna Greenberg?

  On the podcast.

• 29:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Huh?

• 29:18Rayna Greenberg?

  You're saying on the podcast or previously?

• 29:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Always. Yeah.

• 29:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 29:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I mean, again, I haven't, I'm not so, I can't say everything she's ever done, but she's always been open about her struggles. Sorry, I don't know if she would talk about the treatment centers and stuff previously, but my point is like she would be open about struggling with her weight, you know, and. Not being able to, I guess, control it. And then she doubled down on that even more on Chloe's podcast of how much of a struggle it's been. And then prior to getting the surgery, she did make a statement, and she says this on the podcast as well, like, "I'm kind of done sharing." Like, "I'm not going to really share." And I think maybe she was kind of foreshadowing, perhaps, but like, which, I see all the different sides of it. Like, it's not so black and white.

• 30:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, I get when people bully you and harass you and demand information from you, and the people that kind of appear to be your supporters have turned on you. Like, you really want to be like, "Fuck all of y'all." You know, like, we've experienced it on a much smaller level over time, and you kind of have to do the reconciliation of like, "This isn't everybody. This is just a few loud voices." But like, when people really come at you, you're like, "I've shared so much of my life with you, and I don't want to anymore." And I get people being like, "Okay, but you built this whole platform on being plus-size, and now you're not, and now you're flaunting that in our face, and you're not telling us what you did." So I see that, too. And then her point was like, "I was really struggling.

• 30:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  The recovery was terrible, and she went through this breakup at the same time. Like, I wasn't ready to share." And then people are like, "You waited until you got this big podcast to go on to share? You waited until you got a payday to share?" Like, I'm just saying that the critiques that people are saying, but I understand her not feeling like she owes people this information.

• 31:03Rayna Greenberg?

  I agree with what you said. I think all critiques of this are fair. I think it's fine to be a fan of hers and feel like, you know, "I thought we were in this together. I thought I found an ally that dressed so well and looked like me, and I like seeing somebody on the internet who is confident and wants to look a certain way and is still able to be out in the world and like themselves." And I understand feeling a sense of like, loss that that person changed their mind, essentially. And you're like, "But I gave you my time, and I gave you my money sometimes, and you changed your mind, and that hurts." I also understand her side of things. Like you said, her whole life was probably bullied and looked at a certain way for how she looked, and then all these people are carrying torches, demanding that you tell them what you've done to your

• 31:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Body and you're like, I don't even know who I am right now.

• 31:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 31:50Rayna Greenberg?

  She, she said, and you know, people that lose a lot of weight always echo the same sentiment, which is like, I look in the mirror and I see a different person, but inside I'm still the same person. I don't know how to like reconcile those two things. And so she, I think is dealing with a lot mentally. And so I understand being like, I don't need to talk to you guys about this right now until I'm ready. I think the tone, at least for me, came off instigative and really hostile sometimes.

• 32:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally. Yeah. Again, this is just like, you could not like her too. You know what I mean? You could be like, she's a bitch if that's what you feel, but I have empathy to how people get that way when they've been bullied and demanded information, you know, like this is not the same, but when I got my nose done, I didn't talk about it right away. I didn't bring people on the journey and I was trying to remember why. I, I had certain feelings about it. Like I, it's not, it's not the same. I can't stress it enough. And I'm, I didn't build a career on my, my nose, but like, I just didn't want to. I don't know why. I didn't want people's feedback. I just, I wanted to put some space in between getting it done and talking about it. And now I would have been like, I got my nose done yesterday. I don't know really why, but for whatever reason, I wanted to kind of see how I felt about it

• 33:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  and just didn't talk about it right away in the podcast. All my friends and family knew that. I said that when I shared on the podcast, but there were some people in comments, just this like one terrible troll who wouldn't let up. We know you got your nose done. Are you going to reveal it? And I'm like, what is your damage? Like, you know, and it's, it's not the same, but I, I understand wanting to process something before you share it with the world. And I can't stress enough that it's different, but I even felt like that. And then those few people, again, not the majority of people who were like demanding this, made me want to be like, fuck you. I'm not going to bring it up at all. But I, I didn't, because I know that's not the majority of people who follow us and support us.

• 33:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that when you do anything medical to your body, I think that you are allowed to process it as long as you'd like and share that information with other people. And Bethany Frankel said this, I was watching a video of hers and it really struck me. And she said that people develop, your fans develop parasocial relationships with you. And so they actually do think you owe them this information because they're Like, but I've been following this journey and I have been liking and commenting and doing the things, by the way, that allow you to monetize your following.

• 34:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Rayna Greenberg?

  And now you're gonna turn your back on us. And people don't realize that these are like strangers with private lives and they, there's no training for this, you know, so you just have to process this as you're going through it. And I go back and forth because it would be a little strange for me to have built this podcast with you.

• 34:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I like, I want to say what you were gonna say. It was the exact same thing I was gonna say, yeah.

• 34:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I, and refuse to talk about my relationships and refuse to tell you guys what's going on with me. But there is nuance to that and I protect other people's privacy. I wait until I know what I want to say about something to talk about it. I wait until I've deescalated and I'm not so mad about something. And I also just change my mind about stuff, like where I feel a certain way about a relationship or a person and I don't feel that way in a couple of weeks. And I don't want a record stamped online on the internet forever of me having said something.

• 34:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, this would be exactly, I have a few comparisons, which again, different. We're talking about dating, we're talking about people's bodies and medical stuff and all of that. But I mean, it would be like Raina gets a partner and just refuses to share anything. And people would be like, you brought us on your journey this whole time. Like, I look to you for dating advice, relationship advice, all this, and you're like, I'm not gonna talk about this. And you could respect that and have to know she'd be doing it for whatever reason. And she's a person and she can have her own boundaries, or you could stop listening. You know, like, that's the thing, like, I get it, you feel betrayed by these people. You've given your time and your energy and sometimes your money to, but you can just stop. You can stop following them, you can stop listening to them, you can stop supporting them, buying their stuff. That's just how it be sometimes, you know, and that's what you're able to do if you really feel betrayed

• 35:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  or led on enough to want to stop supporting them. And I just, I don't know, I, I thought about the parallel even between, you know, Singleness and then for me deciding to get married, you know, I've been single. I loved it. I it was ups and downs. And then I'm not anymore. And you could be like, but you were my single girl I looked up to. And it's like, but I never said I was going to be forever. Like, I don't know. And it's like, she was really open about the fact that like, again, I don't know everything she's ever said. But if to my knowledge, she was pretty open about the fact that like, I don't necessarily want to be in this body, which should kind of make you think she it will change. You know, maybe she she's tried everything.

• 36:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's still trying. So why wouldn't it change? You know, it's almost like you're single, you're dating. I'm happy, I'm thriving. But like, the goal is to find somebody. The goal is to kind of change. And they're not the same. And I can't stress this that enough. I keep saying that I'm like a broken record. But like, I think it's interesting to discuss the parallels of the way people follow you and why, and how they get angry when things change.

• 36:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. And also, like, I I'm surprised you didn't bring this up. Like, when it's different for us, like, when we are single and dating and having all these like little like fuck boy situations, those are fun and funny to talk about. I would never expect you to talk about your husband. I would never expect it. I would never expect you to share really private, personal information about your personal lives. And if you had an argument, I mean, that's it's a different level, right?

• 37:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Rayna Greenberg?

  You don't owe everybody every piece of information.

• 37:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent.

• 37:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I had a situation with somebody in the fall. It was very painful. I really hated it. I'm not going to share it. It's just that was a really personal situation. And I don't owe everybody every piece of information about everything that happens to me either.

• 37:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And for Remy, like, she still is figuring this out, how she feels.

• 37:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I, you know, I loved the interview because I love Khloe. I just, I have always loved Khloe. I find her to be so funny. Like, she's, I laugh out loud if I watch her on the Kardashians. I think she's so wise. I just think she's like a good person. She's so compassionate. She's so empathetic. I mean, she really seems like an empath. And I really just think she's a good person and I I feel for her and everything that she's gone through and I just she couldn't have been the better and she's and on top of it, she's been critiqued and body shamed and for her since her whole adult life and speculated on and all of that. So it's just it couldn't have been a better person to do the interview with.

• 38:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I love that she picked her. Like, who could who could empathize more than this than Khloe about being picked apart on the internet their entire life and compared to everybody around you who looks so beautiful and thin. And now she's like reengineered her face and her body. And people have a million things to say about that, too, now that aren't kind. And I think that she was such an incredible person to speak to. And I just, she could have done anything. She could have gone on Call Her Daddy. She could have gone on anything and done this.

• 38:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 38:49Rayna Greenberg?

  But I love that she picked Khloe.

• 38:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, we see different sides. I do see people being like, she flaunted this brand new body. She showed herself working out. I'm like, okay, well, she never said that was how she can work out.

• 39:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, renovator.

• 39:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, remind me, because I just, you know, my biggest issue is just blatantly lying.

• 39:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess the misstep that people, what people wanted was a little bit of kindness and maybe a statement that said, like, yes, clearly something's going on.

• 39:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, right.

• 39:19Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, obviously you guys have eyes and I don't.

• 39:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  But did she ever, again, like, I don't really follow her. So I don't know. Again, it's like, I can't, I don't have the receipt for all these things, but.

• 39:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't either. And I, I, but there was definitely not a statement that was like, clearly you guys have eyes. You're not blind. I've lost 150 pounds and I'm not ready to talk about it. And like, I will when I want to.

• 39:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I think that the tone that I've seen has been a little antagonistic.

• 39:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sure. And that's maybe her tone.

• 39:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 39:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you can take it or leave it. And she says, kind of like, but I told people I was done sharing. And Khloe was like, it doesn't matter if you try, you think you're getting, no, like, Khloe was like, you can get ahead of something as much as you want. It doesn't matter. People will spin the narrative however they like.

• 40:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 40:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which I appreciated. Like, you'd be like, I told y'all I was done doing this. And people are like, first of all, no, you didn't. People are supposed to just believe I should prove it. You know what I mean? Like, so. I just.

• 40:19Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, well, we wish her well.

• 40:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 40:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, well, it's time for me to talk about booking.com again.

• 40:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  When we, when Raina agreed us to this, I didn't know I'd have to sing the song every week. But, you know, I'm happy to do it.

• 40:29Rayna Greenberg?

  You really jumped at the chance. Well, Ashley and I love booking.com and we love to book apartment stays and hotels with them all over the country. Of course, they just, they really make it so easy.

• 40:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 40:39Rayna Greenberg?

  And you were, listen, you jumped at the chance to write the song.

• 40:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  You already, you know what? We're not going to fight on air. Um, this episode of Girls Got to Eat is brought to you by booking.com, the official accommodation partner of MLB, booking.com, booking dot yeah. Okay, so baseball season, this is the main thing my fiance is into.

• 40:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Baseball?

• 41:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Baseball.

• 41:00Rayna Greenberg?

  That's it? Really?

• 41:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, he, he loves sports. He mostly just loves sports betting, which is tough to do in California. Poor guy.

• 41:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I grew up going to baseball. My dad bought season tickets every single year.

• 41:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  So he's, he's been watching a lot of baseball, talking about a lot of baseball.

• 41:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. You're going to book him something on booking.com?

• 41:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys are going to take a little trip. And we love booking.com. We were just in New York. We booked our stay at the hotel on booking.com. And so it's spring, it's baseball season. They're the official partner of MLB and we're just big fans of booking.com in general. We use it and we're into it. So they have a sweepstakes we're going to tell you guys about, but we did create our own version of Take Me Out to the Ball Game in honor of baseball season and booking.com. And it is based on our summer travel plans. So all, you know what? I think everybody should sing it. All three in the mic.

• 41:50Rayna Greenberg?

  All of us?

• 41:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 41:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Don't bring Tessa into this.

• 41:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, Tessa has a voice of an angel.

• 41:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ready, guys? It's in there. I put it in the outline.

• 41:59Rayna Greenberg?

  That we all have to do it?

• 42:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, we're all three going to harmonize it.

• 42:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right, Raina, get ready. Take me out to the Hamptons. Take me out to Rata Palooza. Tess, I don't hear you. Then to Vegas for Ashley's Bachelorette. At the mail review, everyone will be wet. Let us book, book, book with booking.com. And then we get ready to thrive. Cause it's one, two, three clicks, you're booked for the summer of 2025. A little stretch from Azul at the end.

• 42:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Let us know in the comments who had the best voice.

• 42:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys killed it. And booking.com wants to help make you a fan of any US city with a chance to win $1,000 in booking.com travel credit. Head to the booking.com Instagram page, which is @booking.com, and check out their sweepstakes post for more details. Okay, Reina, question for you. How would you feel if you lost your libido?

• 42:54Rayna Greenberg?

  My sex drive, is that like a serious question? I'd never recover.

• 42:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, right? Well, the fact is, millions of pre-menopausal women are frustrated because they lost their libido. But we're here to let you know that there's a treatment called Addy that is clinically proven to boost libido in certain pre-menopausal women. And this isn't some sketchy gas station pill. It's FDA approved. Talk to your doctor to see if Addy is right for you. And again, it is clinically proven.

• 43:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I love that women have this option.

• 43:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Same. You can go learn more at addyi.com. That is A-D-D-Y-I dot com.

• 43:29Speaker 03

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• 44:12Speaker 03

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• 44:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is A-D-D-Y-I dot com.

• 44:34Rayna Greenberg?

  So, last week, Chaperone was on Call Her Daddy. She gave an interview in which she talked about whether or not she wanted to have kids. And people, I mean, it was a pretty definitive statement. Chaperone, she doesn't miss words. So she said, "All of my friends who have kids are in hell," which you knew was going to inflame the internet.

• 44:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'll read she's around. I don't know anyone. I actually don't know anyone who's like happy and has children at this age.

• 45:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's 27, by the way. And she said, I literally have not met anyone who's happy, anyone who has light in their eyes, anyone who has slept. I mean, she was not vague about it.

• 45:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Since then, I really have been flooded with like TikToks of women with children kind of responding to this. And it's interesting, the comment sections are very different than the people that made reaction videos.

• 45:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 45:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Reaction videos, all anti-Chapelone, of course, really defending motherhood and their choices. Comment sections, really kind to her, really open minded.

• 45:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  People just want to try to go viral with a opposing opinion.

• 45:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 45:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  So there's that. I'm also sure there's some others out there that are like, yeah, girl, this is hell. I have no light in my eyes. This is tough. Thanks for shining a light on it. This is rough out here and I wish I knew. You know, like, it's weird.

• 45:52Rayna Greenberg?

  There's a lot of that in the comments, too.

• 45:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, I saw one comment on the Cut article and it says, "Parents talk about how hard it is, rightly so, so they shouldn't be surprised when someone decides that it sounds like a bad time." But she is speaking about it as an outsider who is making an assessment on a lifestyle she doesn't live in some rather inflammatory language. So I can understand how it would strike a nerve. So we want to validate that while of course, we're never in the business of like pitting women against each other for their life decisions. We support whatever you guys want to do. And in this conversation, it appeared that she is talking about her hometown friends having kids in their twenties. That's her experience with what she's seen.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  She's from a suburb of Missouri, Springfield, Missouri.

• 46:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's from Missouri, right. She's from Missouri. So small town, suburban, women in their twenties in a pretty tough state when it comes to maternal healthcare. I mean, like, there's a whole bigger conversation about like motherhood in the US.

• 46:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure.

• 46:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  And how tough it is.

• 46:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Why is it so hard?

• 46:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and why it's so hard. And the problems with all of that, too. Maternity leave, maternal care, healthcare, mental health, all that stuff. So there is that. So her friends might be struggling and having a hard time and they agree with that statement. I mean, people took it as an attack on their choices to have kids. And you're welcome to interpret it that way, but that's, I don't think that's what she was trying to say. That she was trying to say, in my experience right now, at 27 years old, she'd probably deliver that opinion differently in 10 years. She is saying, doesn't look like a good time.

• 47:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't disagree. It does not look like a great time to me either. You and I might have delivered that with some more nuance.

• 47:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  We do, but we're a lot older.

• 47:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, and you know, I don't think that she claims to speak about dating and relationships for a living. You know, you and I put out that episode and have since put out episodes where we talk about not wanting to have children, wanting to be child free, and we speak of it with a lot of nuance and you know, we

• 47:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  And sensitivity.

• 47:45Rayna Greenberg?

  We know that all the women around us, a lot of them have chosen to have children. We love their kids. We support their right to do so. It's not, it's not for me personally. I wouldn't have said it the way she said it, but I, we say this all the time, like my decisions are not an attack on your decisions. I'm allowed to not want to have kids and also think it's great that you have kids. And I don't think that anybody's saying that having, having children is such a good time in the beginning. I don't know that anybody does it for happiness day one. You do it for fulfillment. You do it for all kinds of reasons. It's not easy. I'm watching my sister-in-law. She's seven months into having a baby. It's really tough. It's tough on your body. It's tough on your romantic relationship. It's tough on your sleep. I mean, it's really hard. She's not wrong.

• 48:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Also, if it doesn't apply to you, then why do you care? This is the same thing of people like, recently, we were talking with somebody and she was saying like, moving in with a partner is, is really bad for your relationship. It's bad for your sex life. She's a sex expert. And she's sitting there talking to me. I just moved in with mine. I'm like, I'm not offended. We're having a great time. You know, like I made this decision. I had the information and that's not my experience. So I really do see everything you're saying. I can validate it and also say, that's not my experience. I'm not offended by it. But it's just like, I always think that. It's like, you're offended because there's truth in it for you. If not, you wouldn't care. You'd be like, hell, I'm having a great time as a mom. And we see moms that obviously

• 49:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  are, couldn't imagine not being a mom. And there's good times and bad, and it's ups and downs, and they're super happy and fulfilled with their decision. So on top of that, I think historically, women who have chosen not to have children have been insulted and belittled way more than mothers ever have. And I'm not saying like, two wrongs don't make a right. Like maybe the, the tide is shifting to be like, you don't have To have kids, obviously, and we're part of that conversation as well.

• 49:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that women that have dared to say, I don't want to have children on the internet is open season on them. From men, from the conservatives, from ultra religious people. People have so many comments to say as though you are insulting their life decisions. And it's like, I'm not insulting your life decisions. If that's what you find fulfillment and happiness from, you should go do that. I find fulfillment and happiness from talking about my sex life on a podcast. You don't have to do that either. You might think that's the dumbest thing in the world, and I don't care. It's not going to stop me, doesn't insult me, I don't care.

• 50:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was, it made me think of Seth Rogen, who I feel like is one of the more famous male.

• 50:14Rayna Greenberg?

  The most famous male.

• 50:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Celebrity who is, I was trying to find his quote where he's just like.

• 50:18Rayna Greenberg?

  He said it doesn't sound like that much fun to me.

• 50:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  It doesn't sound fun, you know, and he's, you know, I don't want to say like, oh, a man says it and he doesn't receive backlash. He has people, but probably not as much as she would as a 27 year old woman.

• 50:28Rayna Greenberg?

  He's become like this poster child for I don't want kids where like, as like, no one's asking George Clooney.

• 50:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 50:34Rayna Greenberg?

  He's just, I think he's made it kind of his brand. It doesn't sound that much fun to me.

• 50:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 50:39Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, well, just a couple of headlines for your week and then we're going to let you guys go.

• 50:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I gotta go.

• 50:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's got to go, she's got to get to Mexico City.

• 50:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Loser Morgan Wallen, this is a page six. Loser Morgan Wallen walks off SNL stage as credits roll, seemingly skipping the after party.

• 50:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Absolutely, he's got the after party.

• 50:59Rayna Greenberg?

  So he co-hosts, he was the musical guest. Mickey Madison was the host and you see as the credits roll, he hugs her, he kind of waves. He walks right off the stage, right towards the camera.

• 51:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, everyone's hugging, they're celebrating a really grueling week at summer camp, essentially like wouldn't, it's just such an accomplishment to put that show together. Everybody in the stage is like, oh my God, you know, and he walks right into the camera. He walks off stage and then he gets on his private jet and says, take me to God's country.

• 51:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Tennessee. No offense to Tennessee, God's country. I think they just like ripped this 80 year old woman out of like a protest, like manhandled her in Tennessee. Like I'm just saying the headline I saw in Tennessee was not very godlike this morning. Yeah. She was probably just protesting human rights. Like, you know, you know.

• 51:42Rayna Greenberg?

  It's interesting. I don't think anybody expected this not very, this not liberal guy, this anti-liberal guy to like stick around, hang out in New York City with the cast, but it is truly such an insult to how much work and time and energy goes into this profoundly difficult show to make, to walk offstage like that. It's on purpose. It is meant to be insulting. And then to follow up with that pose. Like, like, no one made you do this. Like, if you're just like, this is stupid. I'm a mega celebrity. This is beneath me. Then don't do it. Yeah. If you think this is some like liberal institution, you don't want any part of it, then don't have a part of it.

• 52:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Don't be a part of it. Exactly. Amen.

• 52:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Vanderpump Rules alum Rachel Levis is now a professional sound healer.

• 52:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 52:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I always was just kind of wondering like, where's she gonna go from here? And it's being a sound bath, sound healer in Arizona.

• 52:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raquel.

• 52:33Rayna Greenberg?

  And Raquel.

• 52:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rachel. Raquel.

• 52:35Rayna Greenberg?

  She changed it to Rachel, as people would forget. I just, I think this is good for her. I think that she doesn't need to be on reality TV. I think we don't need it. I think, I have to tell you, the last thing I want to do when I'm relaxing is be in a room with Raquel Levis. Cause I, my, I love Scandival so much. I couldn't get enough of it. Nothing makes me relax less than that.

• 52:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 52:55Rayna Greenberg?

  All I could do was think about it.

• 52:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. Well, good for her. Hope she, you know, finds her truth. And the last one, Kourtney Kardashian and Scott Disick's son, Rain, addresses rumor Justin Bieber is his real dad.

• 53:08Rayna Greenberg?

  This has been, people have always thought this, that she-

• 53:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did not know this.

• 53:13Rayna Greenberg?

  That she, I'm surprised you've never heard this. So people think that she had an affair with him when she was sort of like on a break from Scott and then told Scott that she was pregnant, which is filmed on the show. And Scott's like pretty pissed that they're having another kid. He does not want this. But people have always thought that Rain was Justin Bieber's kid.

• 53:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God. Well, Justin Bieber's in the news a lot. I think he's kind of crashing out this week a little bit. But, um, anyway, it's apparently he is not Kourtney's baby daddy. I kind of forgot they dated. And Rain said on Instagram Live, "Bro, I swear, Justin Bieber is not my dad." So.

• 53:47Rayna Greenberg?

  It's crazy because I think Rain is like a baby. I'm like, who taught you how to do Instagram stories?

• 53:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rain is like the unhinged one, right? He like, can't be managed.

• 53:56Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I don't think that he's.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  You're thinking of Mason. I think Mason's the old.

• 54:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mason, I know Mason.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  He's the unhinged.

• 54:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, Mason's the oldest.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  He got his like, social media taken away years ago.

• 54:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  They probably, I think they all are.

• 54:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I don't think any of those people can be managed.

• 54:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, no, Courtney's kids.

• 54:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Courtney's kids.

• 54:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Really lacks parenting.

• 54:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Scott just is her dad.

• 54:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that's not a critique. I don't hate the way Courtney parents.

• 54:18Rayna Greenberg?

  She's like, whatever.

• 54:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  But you know, Chloe forever. Okay, guys, well, that's your snack. We're gonna let you go. And girlsgottaeat.com for whatever you need. Girl's Gotta Eat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess. I'm starting my tour this weekend in Chicago, so you can get tickets at ashhess.com. And I'm gonna be touring all through up to the fall. Rayna Greenberg, follow Raina, check out her thirst traps on Instagram. She's been posting again, guys. She's back. And subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend who wants to laugh and we will see you Monday.

• 54:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a great weekend, guys.