SC EP:1258 The Fireside Encounter

Ryan writes "I'm sending this email because I spoke with my daughter many times about her experience in WV on our 30acre property next to my sisters 30acre property, so between us 60acres. Emmy decided she wanted to tell you what she experienced outside of telling me her dad. Emmy is 13 yrs old now and when she had her experience she was 7 maybe 8 years old with my memory. When she was little, maybe 5, I taught her how to build a fire in the fire pit(stones stacked in a circle) next to our house close to the wood line next to the hay fields. The night she had her experience she started a fire with me and we were hanging out. She had built a fort with blankets and with some camp chairs and we were watching the fire. I told her I had to run inside and use the bathroom and get a snack/drink keep an eye on the fire, I'll be right back. After going inside and using the bathroom, grabbing a bag of potato chips and drink, I was at the back porch door and Emmy was there trying to open the door and crying upset. I opened the door and she was crying very scared and I asked what happened. She told me there was something very large and tall and dark in the wood line watching her next to big pine tree while she was watching the fire. She told me she looked multiple times thinking it was her imagination but she thought it would go away but it didn't and then she realized it was real and she got really scared, when she got the back steps maybe 100ft from the fire the tears and uncontrollable crying hit her. That's when I met her at the back door almost immediately as I was headed back outside. I asked her to show me where she saw the figure and the leaves on the ground next to the big pine where flat. Not like the other leaves like something had laid down on them or stood on them if it was really big. Not the same as the other leaves in the woods around that particular point. No footprints, just flat leaves. I looked up and there was a broken pine branch about 8ft. I'm 6'3" and my arm outstretched above my head couldn't touch the broken limb. Anyway, we went to bed that night and Emmy calmed down and told me what she saw and I told her it's ok I believe you. She told me it was big and dark and red eyes, watching her but the eyes were red or orange like the fire burning, but she said she saw what she said was hair off the arm holding the big pine tree. She told me it was just standing there watching her. The next day, daytime I asked her to show me where she saw the figure and it was the same spot as the night before when we went to look. The same the leaves were flat in the woods like something heavy was there and the same branch I saw the night before was bent or broken. Afterwards we did some gifting in the woods with marbles and had them replaced with rocks on the mosssy log. We had some feathers replaced with different feathers. Recently we had a 6 point deer skull blanched white with time and no meat or hair on it about 8ft up in an oak tree next to my woodpile for firewood. We recently had a deer leg same blanched white no meat or hair on it on the edge of the hay field up from the creek in a tree about 7ft off the ground. My daughter Emmy told me she wanted me to email you and tell you what she experienced." https://sasquatchchronicles.com/?attachment_id=285934 Tayler writes "My husband and I are originally from Arkansas. He was recently stationed back here for my his final duty assignment before retirement. We are big outdoors people hunting, fishing, hiking, backpacking, kayaking you name it. Over the years, we've had a few strange encounters, and even my grandmother, who lives in a rural part of Arkansas, has had her own experiences. Last weekend, we went to float the Buffalo River and do some primitive camping. Not long after getting on the river, I was taking in the scenery and admiring the massive bluffs when I noticed a cave. As I focused on it, I caught movement off to the right along the bluff. At first, I assumed it was hikers, which isn't unusual in that area. I pointed it out to my husband and said it looked like an adult and a younger teen. Then I realized something was off they appeared entirely brown in color. As I tried to get my husband to look, they suddenly disappeared into the cave. That's when it hit me there aren't any trails in that specific area that I'm aware of, and we know those trails pretty well. They were gone before he could see them. I was disappointed he missed it, both to confirm what I saw and to share the experience. As the day went on, I tried to rationalize it and mostly brushed it off. We continued floating for several hours, had a great time, and eventually made it to our campsite. We built a fire, cooked dinner, had a couple of drinks—just enjoying a rare kid-free adventure. That night, I woke up suddenly with my body shaking uncontrollably. My husband noticed and thought I was just cold and held me closer it was in the 40s, after all. But I told him I felt sick. He eventually went back to sleep, and that's when I noticed a bluish-white ball of light hovering outside our tent. At first, I thought it might be the moon, but it didn't make sense the light was coming from the wrong direction, and it was moving slightly. As I focused on it, I became violently ill. I was getting sick about every 30 minutes for hours. It was intense to the point where I genuinely felt like I was dying. At some point, I realized the light was gone. Not long after that, the sickness stopped. I remember just begging for it to be over so I could get some sleep. I hadn't planned on reaching out, but today, while cleaning my house, I put on your newest episode the one where Rick talked about a woman who became sick after seeing a similar ball of light, possibly related to radiation exposure. The timing and similarities felt hard to ignore. What's also strange is that my husband and I had the same food and drinks that day, and neither of us drank much. He never got sick, and I was the only one who saw the light."

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• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya!

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out of here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:35Speaker 04

  This is Larry Dudley from Philadelphia and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:10Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show. Tonight, we'll be speaking with Ryan and Emmeline, and they come to us from West Virginia. Ryan owns about 30 acres out there, and he told me, he said, you know, over the years, we've heard a lot of really weird vocalizations, we've heard the whoops. And just a couple of years ago, Emmeline actually saw the creature. And I'll let Emmeline go into it. Then we'll wrap up with Taylor, who comes to us from Arkansas. And on a very recent trip with her husband down the Buffalo River, they saw what they thought were people. And the more that they looked at them, the more they realized they weren't people. And that night while camping, something very

• 2:55Wes Germer?

  strange happened. And I'll let Taylor go into it. If you've had an encounter, and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Emmeline to the show. Emmeline, thanks for coming on.

• 3:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, of course.

• 3:26Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I know that we have your father, Ryan, here. But if you would, Emmeline, this encounter was a couple of years back. Take your time. What were you doing? And tell me what you saw.

• 3:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, so we live on a 60 acre farmland, and we have wood surrounding our house. And I've always been able to explore around there. And we've always seen like, little strange things. But that night, me and my dad, we had built a fire, and he had taught me how to build a fire from a very young age. So I was educated on it. So I kind of just started up, and he went inside to get a few snacks, use the bathroom, etc.

• 4:15Speaker 06

  And we had always like suspected that we uh have had like Bigfoots or cryptids in the woods because we've always seen little strange things and we've always uh heard um some like hoots and hollers. But that night, uh I turned to my left and I see this, I want to say eight to nine foot thing and it's just standing there at the very edge of the woods, just staring at me while I'm tending to the fire. It kind of had this like grayish to brown fur on it and the eyes were like glowing or orangey red kind of.

• 4:59Speaker 06

  Um, really, the biggest thing that stood out to me was there was like no facial expression. All you could see were just like the eyes glowing. It was kind of like posted up on this tree, just like standing there. At that time, I was like, what is this thing? Like, what is staring at me? Am I in danger? And I, I, my adrenaline just spiked and I just sat there, sitting there like, what am I gonna do in this situation? So I look over like a couple more times to make sure like I'm not hallucinating. Um, but like then again, in my mind, I'm like, okay, I gotta get inside. I, I gotta go get my dad.

• 5:42Speaker 06

  So I looked over the last time, it's still standing there, like kind of like shifting back and forth a little bit. And I just dead sprint to the house. I get to our steps and I look back, it's just gone. I heard nothing. It had just vanished. And by that time, the adrenaline had like kind of run out and I just start crying. So I go get my dad. We go out and look and we found a like tree branch that's kind of snapped and even my dad couldn't read it. He's like super tall. So we found that super strange and we didn't, like the leaves where it was at was kind of like pushed down as if like something was standing.

• 6:28Wes Germer?

  It's very scary to run into one of these things. It's very unnerving. And you know, Emeline, a lot of eyewitnesses, they'll describe the face lacking that expression you're talking about. A lot of eyewitnesses will say it kind of had like a stone face. And this might be a difficult question to answer, but what do you think its intentions were?

• 6:51Speaker 06

  Um, honestly, I think it was just a little bit curious. It, it didn't seem mad. It just kind of seemed like super curious or confused. Like it was standing there like, what is this thing next to this glowing piece of hot flame? So I think it was just like confused or, um, what's the word?

• 7:19Wes Germer?

  Curious?

• 7:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:22Wes Germer?

  Yeah, curious or not, it's still unnerving to have it standing there watching you. Did you ever hear it walk up?

• 7:30Speaker 06

  No, I just, um, I was out for there for maybe 10 minutes. I just look over stairs, like no, no leaves crunching, no stakes breaking, just, just there. It just appeared.

• 7:43Wes Germer?

  Let me ask you, you had mentioned that there was a lot of weird things going on on that property. What are some things that you've experienced?

• 7:53Speaker 06

  Well, back then I had a treehouse. I would love to go there and I would always hear hoots and hollers, like not very often though. It was like, like once a monthly thing. And there's all, there would always just be like random twigs snapping when like the forest, like there's nothing around me. And one moment it would be like full and live of birds, then dead silent the next. And we, me and my dad, the day after the incident happened. We go out and we put little like three marbles and a bird, four marbles, my bad.

• 8:37Speaker 06

  Um, and a bird feather and we come back the next day and we find three rocks and like a different bird feather, which we found super strange.

• 8:48Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that is super strange. It's hard to know what's doing it unless you actually see it. But you guys giving three rocks and getting three different rocks back. It is really weird. I'll agree with you on that. Out there on this property, have you ever seen the lights? We talk about on the show.

• 9:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, actually, uh, this one time I can recall it was getting late at night and I was like, oh crap, I have to go home and I'm walking up to, cause I was down at the creek. I was walking up the hill and I just see this like kind of light thing, kind of like hovering. Just like, is that like a flashlight? It's like, did I come in to look for me? And I get a little bit closer and I look away for a second and then it's just gone. Vanished out in the air.

• 9:39Wes Germer?

  Many eyewitnesses report that the lights just kind of blinking out. You ever see one in the future on the property? Keep your distance from it. Don't, don't get too close. I mean, you're a smart kid. You know that. I wanted to ask you, do you think the creatures are there all the time? Or do you think they only pass through at certain times of the year?

• 10:01Speaker 06

  Um, I think they, they're here all the time. No, I feel like they hide and during the day and they come out at night. And, um, kind of nocturnal, nocturnal and roam at night and just go hide in the day.

• 10:18Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that might be true. Most of the time, there is a lot of sightings. I know yours was at night, but there's a lot of sightings during the day as well. When you looked over and you saw this creature, how much taller do you think this creature was compared to like your father?

• 10:36Speaker 06

  Well, my dad's like six, three, so I'm guessing a good solid three feet, like higher than him. So like nine foot.

• 10:45Wes Germer?

  And your dad's a pretty big guy, Emmeline. I mean, I would imagine next to this creature, he probably would have looked tiny. You know, when you hear the vocalizations and you think they're on their property, that's one thing. But when you see the creature, it's a whole nother thing. How did it kind of affect you seeing it? Or did it?

• 11:07Speaker 06

  It scared me a lot. I did not like go out down to the creek. I didn't go in the woods for a little while after, since I was terrified of like seeing something like that again. It took me a few months to get like super comfortable back into the woods and that encounter actually inspired me to start watching the show, actually.

• 11:30Wes Germer?

  Well, I appreciate you listening to the show. You know, Emmeline, I ask everyone, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? What do you think these creatures are?

• 11:40Speaker 06

  Um, I think they could just be very, uh, very intelligent apes of some sort or kind of alien-like, if that makes sense, like, um, covering for aliens. I, I think they just came and they've just stuck around.

• 12:03Wes Germer?

  What makes you think alien?

• 12:06Speaker 06

  Um, I mean, I feel like some of the, I don't, uh, essentially think Bigfoot is an alien. Um, I think some of the light orbs are extraterrestrial beings, but I do think Bigfoot is more of a ape-like species that has evolved a little bit more.

• 12:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah. And it was okay if you thought that Sasquatch was an alien. No one really knows what it is. I was telling the members last night, I was talking to this UFO guy and I swear after like 30 minutes of listening to him, he brought up a lot of good points about Sasquatch being an alien. I don't know if I personally go along with it, but he did bring up some good points. It's important to kind of listen to everyone. I think what bugs me about your encounter and you'll often hear this from younger people who've had an encounter is the fact that the creature waited until your dad left before it actually made an appearance. That's why I was kind of curious on what you think the intention

• 13:18Wes Germer?

  was. And I agree with you, it might have just been curiosity. I mean, from the size of the thing, if it wanted to hurt you, it could have and it didn't. And I really appreciate you taking the time to share what happened to you, Emmeline. I was gonna chat with your dad. Was there anything else you wanted to kind of add to it?

• 13:38Speaker 06

  Um, nothing really. I just wanted to thank you for letting me have this experience with my dad for coming on.

• 13:47Wes Germer?

  Oh, it was my pleasure sweetheart, having you on the show. It takes a lot of guts to come on. I really appreciate it. It was my pleasure and I really appreciate you coming on.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Hey Wes.

• 13:59Wes Germer?

  Hey Ryan. Thanks for coming on. You got a great kid there.

• 14:03Speaker 03

  Oh, well, thank you.

• 14:05Wes Germer?

  I wish when I was Emmeline's age, I was half as smart and half as well spoken. I was just short of a chimpanzee when I was her age. When did you guys start noticing weird stuff going on and around the property prior to Emmeline seeing it?

• 14:24Speaker 03

  About, I'm trying to think, Emmeline's 13, so about 10 years ago, my sister acquired 30 acres. Just shortly thereafter, I was able to acquire the 30 acres next to it. So between my sister and I, we have 30 acres, fields, oak trees, some apple trees that were left over from the previous farming days when it was a different family that owned it. And then there's like a creek that runs down along the back and we're the only ones out there. So I don't know, when I first started noticing things, I guess would be maybe like, we would always be out, Emmeline was three

• 15:07Speaker 03

  or four or five and, you know, burn fires and, you know, started hanging out, you know, next to the house in the nice weather. And then like, sometimes we'd sit on the front porch and I'd be like, is that a coyote or? You know, what is, what does that sound, you know, and then, you know, we would listen and sometimes it's kind of like a, like a hoop or like a, uh, it doesn't quite sound like a coyote. It's, it's, it's different, but it's far off. And so behind us where that creek runs, that kind of creek runs into a ways away, like a, like a water reservoir. And then eventually that kind of flows and you could go all the way to the new river and the

• 15:50Speaker 03

  new river gorge, you know, um, from where we're at and walk that, you know, kind of creek to get there. So there's homes around us, but they're sparse. So I don't know, there's, there's, there's, it, it's kind of like maybe it's just a corridor or something is kind of what I'm thinking, but I don't, you know, I'm not a hundred percent sure, you know, I mean, I believe Emlyn, um, I just, it would make sense to me if that was, if that was like a corridor, then maybe they use that because it's less people and it, you know, they can, they can move in and out of there and cover a large distance without, you know, being seen. But, uh, we really, you know, we really before

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Emlyn had her sighting, we just heard, you know, the occasional hoop or the occasional, you know, kind of like, uh, it just didn't sound like the normal kind of coyote sounds that we would hear. Definitely not like a bear. I never heard like a big growl or anything like that. But, uh, after Emlyn's experience, then it seems like it kinda just the odd, the little things where, you know, maybe I just paid more attention to it, but I seem like I saw a few other things, you know? We did the gifting in the woods and put some marbles on a log and, and like, I was like a, like a turkey feather. We find those in the field, in the hayfield on the edge of the woods, especially in the spring. So anyway, we put like a turkey feather on a dead tree and

• 17:15Speaker 03

  some marbles on this like kind of mossy log. And, and then Emlyn went to her mom's for a couple of days and, you know, came back and her and I were the only ones that knew about it. My wife, my son, he's much younger. He's, at that time, he was just, just an infant at that time. So, um, they didn't know about it. And we get us out there a couple of days and then she came back and her and I went and checked it and. There's a couple of, you know, the marbles were gone. They weren't there, but there was like these three rocks, but they look, they're not like gravel from a driveway rocks. They're like rocks from down by the river, you know, size of your palm. And then the feather wasn't a turkey feather. It was a crow feather. It was further down on the dead log from where I'd left the

• 18:00Speaker 03

  other one and kind of like wedged up in there and some other little random things, but that's kind of right in around that time period when she had her sightings.

• 18:10Wes Germer?

  Yeah. You know, the portion of Emlyn's encounter I've heard a million times from kids is a creature seems to show up when the parents aren't around. And I don't know what the intention was. Obviously, if it wanted to hurt her, it would have and it didn't. But I don't know why that bothers me so much. I think because I wouldn't put up with that from a human. So why would I put up with it from whatever these things are? Take me back to that night. You go walking into the home, kind of from your perspective. Tell me about what, what happened that night?

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Well, the first thing was like, when I got to the back door, it was, it's just the timing was like almost, I mean, it's just perfect timing, I guess, for like when I got up and left. I wasn't inside long. I mean, I used the bathroom and I grabbed some snacks and a drink, but right as I got to the back door, like we have the glass back door to the back step. Like as soon as I was reaching for the handle, Emlyn, it was almost like she was on the other side, reaching for the handle. Like we met each other at the door and, uh, and she was crying, you know, and I was, you know, obviously I'm like, what happened? Did you, you know, I'm thinking maybe she got burned or like, I just asked her, I said, what happened? And, you know, she was crying and trying to get

• 19:33Speaker 03

  it together and, you know, and she's like, something was in the woods there, you know? And I'm like, what was in the woods? You know, our dogs were inside. They weren't outside with us. And which maybe that's another reason too, that she had her experience. Um, we've got a couple of big dogs and. But anyway, um, so I was like, it wasn't the dogs. And so I'm trying to think of what like, what would be in the woods? Was it a bear's? What I'm thinking, maybe it was a bear, you know? So I mean, I grabbed a flashlight and I was like, just show me where it was, you know? And I said, it's okay, you're safe. And try to get her calmed down. And my biggest thing was to make sure that she, you know, she was wasn't hurt. And she wasn't, you know, she's fine. She's just scared, you know? So whatever it was scared her is I'm getting that much out

• 20:17Speaker 03

  of it. And so we went and looked with a flashlight and the fire pit is, I don't know, it's maybe like 70 to 100 feet from the back door, depending on what side of the fire pit you're on. And, uh, and it's just stacked stone, like, um, uh, there was like an old stone wall that like a retaining wall when we tore down the farmhouse. And some of that stone I saved. And so I had it like, kind of stacked in a circle, like a nice fire pit. And then the wood lines, maybe another 30 feet from the fire, 20, 30 feet, something like that. And she walks right over to where she said she saw this thing. And so I'm looking

• 20:59Speaker 03

  with the flashlight and I'm shining in the woods and I'm shining around and don't see anything, don't hear anything. But, uh, she's like, right here. And I'm like, like, right, like, right here where I'm standing, you know? And she's like, yeah. And she's like, it's a little further over there by the pine tree. So I'm like, okay. So I'm trying, I'm looking at the ground. And I just remember, like, obviously, I went and stood there. But before I stood there, I remember like, looking at the ground and it seemed like the leaves were like flattened, where like the leaves in the woods, like oak leaves in the woods in that time of the year, it's like, all the leaves are green. And the leaves in the woods, they kind of, you know, they're not flat unless something lays on them or stands on

• 21:41Speaker 03

  them, you know? I just remember seeing that and be like, okay, well, like, this is the spot. She's like, yeah, that's the spot. So I stood there and I'm like, Okay, well, right next, you know, if I'm looking at the fire to my right is this pine tree, pretty decent sized pine tree. And I'm standing next to it and kind of like I look up and there's like a branch, maybe, I don't know, I got a decent sized hand, probably a little bit bigger than my middle finger, long little branch coming off of it and, and it's kind of like broken, but it's not snapped completely off. It's still kind of is attached. Like it's been bent, broken, if that makes sense. And it's out of, it's out of my reach,

• 22:23Speaker 03

  but I can see it with the, uh, with the flashlight. I just remember thinking, well, that's, it's odd. And then we looked around some more and, you know, I kind of walked into the woods a little bit, but I didn't go way down to the creek or anything because she was with me and she was scared. And so we just said, okay, well, that's enough for the fire tonight. And got her back inside and got her calmed down. And I remember like laying up there with her, you know, next to her and asking her and she was just kind of telling me about everything she saw and, you know, that it was taller than me. I remember being there next to the tree, asking her how tall it was. And she was like taller and I put my arm up and I'm six, three and 210 pounds. And she said it was above my hand. So, I

• 23:07Speaker 03

  mean, that's gotta be, it's tall, whatever it was.

• 23:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I really think she probably saw one of these creatures. I know you guys have bears out there in West Virginia and Amelin's a smart girl. She would have known if it was a bear or not. And a bear's not going to just stand there on two legs and watch her. And I don't blame her for how she reacted. I probably would have reacted the same way. I probably would have been back there in tears trying to open that back door as well.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  I mean, I probably would have been in tears too, if I'd have saw it, you know? Um, and I don't think it was a bear either. I mean, I think Bigfoot or Sasquatch or whatever you want to call it. I think the creature that she saw is what she saw. And so we, I was talking about my dogs not being there and my dogs are usually always out with us. And actually, we'd put them inside, um, have like an Australian shepherd and then like a German shepherd lab mix. And at that time, we had another dog, um, as well. But yeah, they were inside and they weren't barking or going nuts or anything like that. Like they see deer outside. Now it's dark. So obviously they're not going to see anything. But like

• 24:19Speaker 03

  in the daytime, like after this happened, I, I just think this is odd, but every morning I let them out, they beeline it barking, kind of down to that general area past where the fire pit is, and they go into the woods. My dogs do every morning. And for the longest time, I would always be like, oh, they're chasing deer. I holler for them. They'll come right back. But then after this happened, I would always think when I let my dogs out, I'd be like, I wonder if they know something I don't know, you know, like they always go to that same spot into the woods, barking, and then they'll come back and they're fine. They're happy. They're not scared. But it's like, it's just kind of like their thing every morning. So yeah, that kind of after Emlyn had that, I thought about that. And then I

• 25:03Speaker 03

  hear some things occasionally. And, and then here recently, my wife's godparents were visiting and we kind of have like above our garage, like there's windows and you can look out into the woods. And behind the garage, it's kind of like a, like a little apartment, you know, or whatever above our garage. And, um, the windows in the back and the front, both sides, the front faces the field and the back faces the wood line. I have like a firewood pile behind it. My wife's godmother came in and was like, did, you know, did Ryan put that deer skull in the tree by the, by the woodpile? And Jamie's like, what deer skull? Like, what are you talking about? And, um, you know, she asked me about it. I was

• 25:45Speaker 03

  like, no. And I was like, I've been getting firewood over there. I went along. I never saw that. And so anyway, we went out and looked at it and it's just above my reach. I mean, I, if I stood on something, I like a log or stump or something, I could probably reach it. But if I'm just standing on the ground, I couldn't reach it. But it's this six-point lanch white from the sun skull.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  But it's upside down and it's like in the oak tree. And it's like the little oak branches that are the new growth that are starting are kind of like holding it in place, you know, like it was set there like it's just odd. But uh, I have no clue how I got there. And then I thought, would you know, would a bobcat drag it up there? But what a mountain lion, I mean, they say there's none in West Virginia. I don't know if there is or not. I've never seen one. I've had friends that have said they've seen them. I was like, cause you know, but there's no sign or scratch marks on the tree or the bark or I don't know. It's just weird. And then like one time, maybe a week after that or two weeks after that, I was walking along the edge of the field with my dogs in the morning.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  And my dog Stella was barking over by the woods and I went over there and there's like um, I like a deer leg. But again, there's like no fur, no meat on it. It's just like the bones. But it's again, up in a tree limb, like on the edge of the field. And I'm like, why would there be a deer leg up in the tree? Right? I didn't, I never touched either one of them. They're still in the trees. I just leave them be.

• 27:18Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that is kind of weird. It's actually really weird. You know, when I was talking to Emmeline, she had brought up a time where she saw a light on the property. Have you ever seen the lights on the property that we talk about?

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, I, the orb, I don't know if it was an orb that I saw. It, it, it may have been, um, I saw something just very briefly. Um, I came out onto my front porch one night to let the dogs out and I don't have the lights on outside. And it's like pretty stars and clear sky. But it was almost like right as I walked out and I kind of looked over to where the dogs always run. It's almost as much as like as quick as my brain registered that is like, is that a light? It was gone. Like it was not.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  It was almost like because I not like it's almost like that I perceived that it went out, if that makes any sense. And I don't know if it was or wasn't because it happened so fast. But I do remember being like, was that a flashlight? Was that a light? And then of course, my dogs are out running around and I hollered for them and they came right back over and I just kind of stood there and never saw anything and never hear anything. And I was like, I wonder what that was, you know, and I kind of walked over across the yard with the dogs in that general area and towards the hayfield and there's nothing over there and no sounds and I don't hear anybody talking like, we don't get a lot of trespassers and not that I think somebody would be out there trespassing at

• 28:57Speaker 03

  night, but I guess they could. But I was just checking to make sure and nothing. So I just went back over to the house and it's really the only time that I ever experienced that. And, and again, I don't know if it was an orb or not. It just was like a light. As quickly as I noticed it, it was gone.

• 29:15Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I would be curious to know if those lights actually show back up. It sounds like you guys are out there all the time in the woods. And so I would imagine if they show up, you would see them. I asked your daughter what she thought Sasquatch is. What's kind of your take?

• 29:34Speaker 03

  Um, I don't know. I don't know. I think if the creature exists, which I do believe it does, maybe it's like a guardian or if it's, you know, can come and go, be seen, not seen, you know, obviously, I think there's intelligence, high, high level intelligence that's there. Because, you know, from what my daughter experienced, I mean, it didn't make any sound. It was there and it was gone as quickly as it revealed itself. If that's the case, then that's, I mean, I can't do that. I'm like I said, I'm six, three and two, 10. And if I walk up in the woods, you're going to hear me walking.

• 30:16Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you and me both, brother.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  You know, you're gonna, you're gonna hear the sticks and the leaves. I mean, even if I'm trying to be quiet, I mean, I might, yeah, I could probably get close, but, but I don't, you know, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's, you know, terrestrial, like of the planet or non-terrestrial, not from the planet. I guess I always say that it's, you know, the things that I see that are odd things, I just say, oh, it's a gift. So I kind of looking at it in a positive perspective and not a negative one. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's an ape. I don't know if it's alien. I don't know if it's from this planet or not. The only thing I do know is that it's intelligent, for sure.

• 30:59Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I would agree. Whatever they are, they're very intelligent. And be safe on that property. I would love to know if anything else happens. Keep me up to date, will you?

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm for sure. I've, you know, I've got your email. If anything ever pops off, or we see something, or something else is, you know, experienced, I mean, I'll send you an email. I think, you know, we're out there, we spend a lot of time. Emlyn has a dirt bike she rides, and, and our dogs are out there. We'll go down to the creek. There's trout that you can fish down there. And we're in the woods. And, you know, Emlyn's not, you know, she goes in the woods still, like, and she'll go, like, the other day, she went down to the creek. She goes by herself. She's like, just tells me where she's going. She's like, I'm gonna go down there and fishing. And she came back up, you know, with mud all over where she slipped and fell, you know,

• 31:50Speaker 03

  in, in the side of the bank, you know, but, uh, she's okay. And I'm okay. And the little oddities that are there, I just, like I said, I just say they're gifts. And I smile about it and go on about my day.

• 32:04Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I think it's a good mindset. And I understand your mindset. You know, kids sometimes pick up on our vibes. And I like the fact that you, you're being positive about it. And I really appreciate you and Emmeline coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you guys.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Hey, yo, thank you very much. And I appreciate, and it's good talking to you. And I hope you have a great day. Okay?

• 32:30Wes Germer?

  You as well.

• 32:39Wes Germer?

  Next up on the show, I want to welcome Taylor. Taylor, thanks for coming on.

• 32:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, thanks for having me on, Wes.

• 32:46Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you and your husband had this camping trip on the Buffalo River there in Arkansas. I've had so many encounters come off that Buffalo River. I actually did a search on the website and it was a lot more episodes than I thought. If you would take me back to when you guys were on that river, that whole camping trip, how long ago was this? Cause I get the impression it's pretty recent. And if you would start from the very beginning, what were you guys doing and what happened?

• 33:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, so this, um, the incident or the encounter or whatever you want to call it that I emailed you about was actually just this past weekend. So just a few days ago and I wasn't gonna send you anything, but you had posted a, an episode on the day that I had this encounter on Saturday. And the guy Rick that you spoke with talked about how a lady had an encounter of a orb that had like maybe gone through the screen door or something like that, but they had gotten it tested. The door and it had an astronomical amount of radiation. And then that lady had gotten sick a few days later with like flu like symptoms and

• 34:01Speaker 06

  they asked her in the hospital if she had been exposed to any radiation. But that episode just resonated with me and I felt like just the, a few things that are strange that had happened. Um, and mine and my husband's lifetime. So my husband and I were gonna go float the Buffalo. Uh, it's beautiful time of year. It had just rained, so it was supposed to be optimal floating depths. And so we got the kayaks out and we start, we went on, it was going to be about a four to six hour float. Um, and we had already set up our camp and got it all ready. So that way we could start at one point.

• 34:43Speaker 06

  And then when we ended, we would be at our campsite and it would already be ready to go. So we could just cook and hang out and all that. So it wasn't that long after we got into the kayak, we were in a tandem kayak and um, there's bluffs everywhere. It's really beautiful. A lot of people that have never, that don't know a lot about Arkansas, don't know. A lot of people think of it as like little Colorado. We have a lot of mountains and hills and rivers and it's stunning. So I was just taking it all in. And my husband was as well. We were just kind of like floating. We weren't really paddling or anything. And I glanced over and I saw these caves on the left side of us and I was like, oh, that's cool.

• 35:26Speaker 06

  And I was telling my husband, oh, look at these caves over here. And then about that time, I see motion coming around this bluff towards the cave and I look and I'm like, oh, look, there's people hiking up there. That's cool. Which I'll say it's not abnormal and the area we were floating for there to be people hiking along certain bluffs because there are a lot of trails in that area. I'm look back at my husband to tap on him to be like, look at this. And as I glance over and I'm trying to find the cave again, so I can point at it and the people that I think at that point are hiking.

• 36:04Speaker 06

  I see, I noticed they're all brown. Like, I mean, it's not to say people wouldn't wear all brown, especially if you're hiking. But I'm like, they're both all brown. And then my husband is still just in this moment doing his own thing. But I'm looking at him and I'm like, look, look. And one of them was bigger, like an adult size and the other one was, it looked like preteen, maybe a younger teenage age. And the older one looked like it was ushering the younger one, like get in, kind of like you would to your kids in the car, like you kind of put your arm around them and kind of guide them like, come on, let's get in, hurry on now. And

• 36:47Speaker 06

  I noticed as it was doing this, it turned its whole body and looked over its shoulder at the river. And as soon as it turned around, it just kind of like ushered the smaller one into the cave. And I glanced over my shoulder to see if my husband was looking. And I was like, look at that cave right there. And I'm pointing because you know, you feel like all this is happening and it's forever, but it's really like maybe 20 seconds or less. But so I'm pointing like, look over there and they're gone in the cave by the time he sees it. So honestly, it was a really short encounter. It was at the beginning of our float. So I mean, we still have like four or five more hours left. So

• 37:31Speaker 06

  I kind of brushed it off and I was like, you know, maybe I feel like I just saw Bigfoot, you know, I'm really excited, but I wish you would have seen it to confirm I'm not crazy, number one, but number two, you know, so you could have seen it too. So I was just brushing it off and as I'm we're floating. I mean, we have several hours on the river and I'm just sitting there thinking kind of like a lot. I've heard several other people say you go through almost like a Rolodex of things in your brain. Like, what could this be? You know, like it could be a bear. No, bears can't walk that effortlessly up on two feet. And I did originally think they were people. And then I'm like,

• 38:11Speaker 06

  they wouldn't all be all brown like that. And then as I'm going back through the encounter in my brain, I'm realizing the height that they were up. An average human would not look that large. Um, especially like the one that looked to be younger. Um, he would not look that large at that distance. So I was like, okay, you know, maybe that was legit. Maybe that was Sasquatch or whatever. You know, we just kind of brushed it off. We floated the rest of the way. We had a great time. We stopped off a few times and hiked around. You know, just doing the normal float thing.

• 38:53Speaker 06

  We got out of our kayaks when we got back and went to camp and grilled some food. Um, I'm not much of a drinker, but we had a very rare occasion of camping without our children. We have four kids from seven to their twenties. So you know, we were just gonna enjoy a little adult beverage with our meal, nothing crazy. And I'll say my husband and I ate the same things. And he wasn't sick. I say that to say I did get sick that night, but the way it happened was just strange. Um, we were sleeping and I mean, we were out cold because we were worn out, you know? That whole being out on the river for uh several hours. So

• 39:39Speaker 06

  We had passed out pretty hard and it was, it was in the seventies during the day, but in the evening it fell down into like the low forties. I think it was like forty one or forty two that night. And so we were all bundled up in our um, sub zero uh sleeping bag. And I was just abruptly woken up and I was just shaking uncontrollably. And about the time I woke up, my husband noticed it too, and he thought I was cold. So he just pulled me closer to try to help me get a little bit more warm. And he was like, asked me if I was okay. And I said, I'm okay. I just feel like my nervous system is overwhelmed, if that makes sense. I don't really know what that means. And then he was like, okay, well,

• 40:25Speaker 06

  just try to go back to sleep. Maybe you'll feel better. And about that time, I just all of a sudden felt violently ill. Like I had to step out of the tent and I mean, I vomited. And I was kind of embarrassed because where we had set up our tent, it was a primitive camping area, but there was other tents kind of close to us. So I was like, oh, they're listening to me throw up, whatever. So I get back in the tent and I'm just laying there. And I had noticed when I was in there before feeling a little sick, that there was this really bright light kind of hovering above the tent. And it was a full moon that night, so I just assumed it was the full moon just beaming in. I wasn't really paying attention. But when I had gotten back in there after I got sick,

• 41:09Speaker 06

  I realized that where the moon should have been at that time was on the opposite side of the tent to where this light was that I was seeing. And I remembered when I was out there, it was really dark and there were, I remembered thinking I couldn't really see where I was getting sick. And I didn't, I wanted to make sure I wasn't getting too close to our tent. But I remembered thinking there wasn't anyone's lanterns. There weren't any fires going. So I thought this was odd. And I tried to go back to sleep. I was in and out of consciousness for probably four or five hours that night. Every time I noticed this glowing, it was like a white, blue light orb glowing through

• 41:51Speaker 06

  the tent and it was hovering, but I could see it moving slightly. It would like stay in one position and slowly move. And I was just kind of watching it and I'm like, what is this? I've got to look at this when I get outside of the tent. After like the fourth or fifth time I got sick, I decided that I had this bucket, I would just use that instead of getting in and out and doing the zipper. And as I was getting sick, one of the times I happened to glance up because I was looking for a paper towel to wipe my face and I actually saw the orb through the mesh part of the tent on the top and it was just hovering above me. And I was just like thinking in my head, I don't want to

• 42:33Speaker 06

  deal with this right now. This is not a good experience. I'm really sick. I just, I was just begging the universe or creator, whatever your belief is, I was just like, please help me. I don't want to be sick anymore. Um, I wanted a view of this light of whatever it was, this orb, but when I did see it through the tent, I felt like I got more sick. And then when I saw it through the mesh, uh, the top of the tent, I did get sick at that moment. And then I was kind of trying to go to sleep and I did eventually like roll over or something and I opened my eyes and looked out of the top of the tent and around

• 43:15Speaker 06

  the sides of the tent from the inside where I was laying. And I could no longer see the light anymore. And I was like, that's strange. And I wasn't allowed to get out and investigate because I still wasn't feeling well. But I could still see the moonlight, but I couldn't see this other light. And then, like I said, it just seemed to be gone. And then I was finally able to fall asleep and I didn't feel sick anymore. And my husband woke up the next morning and he was like, girl, what was that? Like, what happened? You didn't drink much? Like, you know, what happened? And I was like, I don't know. I was like, I mean, I know we got hot and, you know, maybe a little sun cooked, but I made sure that,

• 43:57Speaker 06

  I mean, I drank coconut water, water throughout the day. We did have a little bit of alcohol, but, I mean, it really wasn't that much. It was maybe like one drink, a drink and a half, just enough to kind of celebrate. And he agreed. He's like, I've seen you slam three times more liquor than anything you would have, anything remotely close to what you could have had in a little mixed drink today. And he was like, I don't, I don't know. We ate the same things. That was weird. And I was like, well, I didn't tell him, but I'm like, the only thing that was different with you than me is this weird orb. But I didn't want to sound crazy, I guess, because I had already been like, oh, look, I think I just, I just saw Bigfoot. Even though he does believe, but you know,

• 44:39Speaker 06

  you just, even in those moments, you don't want to feel like you're fabricating something, or maybe your mind was playing tricks on you. But, so that was pretty much it for that experience.

• 44:52Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's interesting. You would have thought both of you would have been sick. But you didn't tell him about the light until the next day?

• 45:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, I told him in the car on the next day on the way home, because I didn't want to sound weird. But I was like, you know, I saw this orb and it, like, as soon as I saw that orb, I started to get, that was when I got really sick. And I was like, I don't know if it's related to what happened earlier, if it's, I don't know what it was, but I'm like, I'm telling you, as soon as this orb went away, I wasn't sick anymore. And it just seemed to hover over the tent for several hours. And like I said, I could see it moving slightly. It wasn't fast. It was really slow. As soon as I noticed the light, the orb was gone, the feeling, the sickness was gone. And that was just really strange for me.

• 45:38Wes Germer?

  What do you think that light was?

• 45:41Speaker 06

  I'm not sure. I've heard other people on your show talk about different colors of like floating orbs. And like I said, that's kind of what resonated with me was I just thought this was just a really weird weekend or something. But then um I heard of that lady that also had seen an orb and she got sick within a week of that. And I just thought that that was kind of a crazy um coincidence. Like I said, it just resonated with me and I thought maybe it did have something to do with it.

• 46:12Wes Germer?

  Yeah, usually you hear of people getting sick when they approach it. But I guess in all fairness, I mean, it was right above your head, above the uh the screen on the tent. I'm glad it was temporary, whether the sickness was related to the light or not. And going back for a moment of the two people, the two individuals that you thought were people. When you think about that moment beyond being brown from head to toe, was there anything about their appearance that makes you think now there's no way that was people?

• 46:46Speaker 06

  I kind of went through my head, like I had said about, you know, what different animals. I'm we're very well versed in the outdoors. We've hunted everything from squirrels to elk. So we're very well versed in nature, but um you know, I was going through my mind. We do have bears, but they're not, I mean, they've been become more prevalent in the last few years than than they were in the last probably forty or fifty. But they're not going to be out in an area that populated, knowing that people are there. But that was also a weird thing for me was where we got in was a very populated area, very popular area

• 47:27Speaker 06

  for people to go in and like I said, hike all these different things. But I thought it was strange that I saw something at that time of day. But also when I had put my email to you also, I realized we know that area pretty well. And where I saw these creatures, there's not a trail over there. Even before I realized this could be something weird, I was like, how did they even get up there? I mean, you're not just gonna climb straight up that bluff from the river and there's not an area where you can get down from there. And then I also, and I was kind of replaying everything in my head as like as the day went on. And just trying to think about what I saw, I realized that

• 48:12Speaker 06

  as this thing looked over its shoulder, the older one, it didn't turn its head, it moved its whole upper body. And its arm, when it went back to usher its kid, like where it or its young one, where it wanted it to go. It's when its arm came closer to its body, it was way longer than the average human, their arm would be.

• 48:38Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I think our brains sometimes fool us. And I can tell you from experience of talking with hunters and mainly hunters is where I get it from. Uh, or they'll say they saw some weird bear or they saw this very large guy. And as they're describing it, you're like, that doesn't sound like a bear and that doesn't sound like a guy. And I think our brains do that. I think in our guts, we know that there's something wrong here. And I'm telling you that Buffalo River, especially the lower section of that Buffalo River. I've interviewed so many people that have had encounters right there. The light thing though is weird. I really appreciate you sharing that.

• 49:22Wes Germer?

  I know in your email, you talked about your grandmother's place, but tell me what's going on there.

• 49:29Speaker 06

  Yes. So her house is actually pretty close to Little Rock, Arkansas. It's only about 10 minutes out of the city of Little Rock, but it's in an area that's very. Outskirts and secluded, uh, even though it is in central Arkansas. And uh, she lives on ten acres. It's very wooded. There's, it's pretty much untouched land. She lives in technically a neighborhood. But by neighborhood, it's like everybody in this area lives on about anywhere from three to like twenty acres. So the houses aren't very close. It's a lot of woods.

• 50:09Speaker 06

  So one evening, my grandmother called me and she's in her seventies, but she's still, I mean, pretty with it, you know? Way more than a lot of people even younger than her, but she said, she called me when we still lived in Texas and she said, I don't know what it was. I don't know if it was a UFO. I don't, I don't have even any kind of explanation I could give for the sound I just heard. But it sounded like something just ran through the front of my yard, which there, I will say it's a gravel road in front of her yard, um, that just goes to the different houses in this neighborhood. It's a very steep hill and you can't go fast down it because it is steep. But she said it sounded like something went a hundred miles an hour or faster down that road.

• 50:55Speaker 06

  And it sounded like a freight train, like nothing I know that exists could go that fast down that road. And she's, she told me that and then she called me maybe six months later and told me she heard it again. And this is my, the home where I grew up, my grandmother raised me. And so she has several rooms and so we would stay there when we were living in other states and we've heard some crazy things there too. My husband likes to play too much and always say we're gonna go bigfoot hunting and all this stuff. And he let out, um, a big whoop one evening after we had finished unloading the car. We got there around nine or 10 o'clock in that

• 51:40Speaker 06

  evening after, uh, traveling all day. And he thought it would be funny to let out a whoop. And we, as soon as he did, he got one back and we all looked at each other and we were like. nervous laugh. And then after that, we heard the most gut wrenching, like you feel it in your chest scream. And we all looked at each other, closed the trunk and ran at my grandma's house because we didn't want to extend that any further. It was scary.

• 52:14Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's really interesting. The the first vocal that she heard where she's describing it going like a hundred miles an hour. Did she describe what she was hearing?

• 52:26Speaker 06

  All she said was she just heard something so loud and the way that it moved and the speed it moved. It just didn't sound like anything that we know of that could make that sound in that part of the where she lives, if that makes sense.

• 52:43Wes Germer?

  Yeah, definitely. Sounds like they might be on the property, especially with your husband, you know, doing a whoop call or doing a vocalization and one comes right back at them. It's unnerving. I know you guys were visiting, but you said your grandmother kind of raised you. Growing up there, was there anything odd or strange that happened? And what? How do you think your grandmother would respond to the whole topic of Sasquatch?

• 53:11Speaker 06

  She would probably, I mean, we have like Sasquatch stuff all over our house and all this stuff, you know, just kind of like, I like a lot of people around here. It's almost like folklore, but you know, we kind of embrace it. No one really knows. I don't think she's ever seen anything, but I know she's heard weird things. She grew up on a farm. I do know she doesn't like to be outside at dark very much when in the country. She always she has a doggy door and she locks her dogs in at night because she says she doesn't want anything to try to come in or which I mean, that's fair. There's a lot of,

• 53:53Speaker 06

  you know, bobcats and there's different wildlife out there, but she doesn't, she's not wanting to go on evening walks or anything and. We're also hunters. We've had several very, very scary experiences on the deer stand as well. Mostly just vocalizations, but like I said, I'm five feet tall, 120 pounds. And so I'm not gonna lie, yes, I get, I'm absolutely scared walking to the deer stand by myself when it's dark in the morning. But one morning I was sitting in my deer stand and and I will preface this with, yes, I know what a bobcat sounds like. I know what,

• 54:35Speaker 06

  you know, different wildlife sounds like. It's I've been, I was raised in the woods. But I heard the most, the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life in the woods. It didn't hit your chest like the other sound, but it was, it sounded like the only thing I can compare it to is a monster giving birth, because it sounded like a woman screaming out in pain. But the way that it traveled, no human could make a sound that loud. And I mean, I don't, I can't say what it was, but I can say it was the scariest sound I'd ever heard. And I didn't want to move. I didn't want to do anything, but I didn't want to be out there by myself.

• 55:19Speaker 06

  My husband was like two miles away in his deer stand. And so, you know, those experiences, I try not to think about them because I'm always gonna be in the woods. But I try, I, I just try to be appropriately cautious in the woods. And if something's off, you probably need to get out of there.

• 55:40Wes Germer?

  Yeah, let me know if anything happens there at your grandmother's place or where you're hunting in the area. Hopefully, nothing comes of it, but I would love to know if anything else happens. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What do you think it is?

• 55:57Speaker 06

  So to me, I think it is some sort of like spiritual flesh and blood hybrid. I'm not totally sure, but that's my input.

• 56:09Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you kind of, you kind of threw everything in there. I like it. What's your take on the lights? What do you think the lights are?

• 56:19Speaker 06

  I don't know. I've heard a lot of people say they've seen the lights during or even after their encounters. So I think they could be related, maybe some sort of travel, form of travel for them.

• 56:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it could be. It could be. It's not the first time I've heard that, Taylor. It's all kind of a mystery. It's hard to know what Sasquatch is. It's hard to know what these weird balls of light are. But I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I enjoyed chatting with you.

• 56:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

• 56:53Wes Germer?

  Thanks again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.